* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY, EVERYBODY, GOOD [00:00:01] AFTERNOON. [Municipal Service District Meeting Work Session on June 20, 2024] I AM GOING TO CALL THIS WORK SESSION OF THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO ORDER. AND IN THE ABSENCE OF KIM AND OR FOSTER, I'M GONNA ASK THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER TO, UH, CALL THE ROLE PLEASE. DAVID BARAL HERE. SABRINA BENGAL. I'M HERE. SORRY. NO, I, GRETCHEN ZA. HERE. JOHN HARON. HERE. VON LEWIS. HERE. MICKEY MILLER? HERE. MICHAEL. HERE. DANNY ROBINSON. HERE. MICHAEL LEE. ROSE WATSON. HERE. KAREN SULLIVAN. HERE. ALDERMAN FRILL. HERE. MAY MAD. OKAY. DID YOU CALL ALDERMAN ROYAL TOO? I BELIEVE SHE ALDERMAN ROYAL? YES. SHE'S, UH, FOSTER'S NOT HERE. AND KIM OSTROM'S NOT HERE. AND CHRIS LIN IS NOT, NOT, NOT HERE. ALRIGHTY. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. ALRIGHT. AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, THIS WOULD BE A WORK SESSION TODAY AS WE CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, THE REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INTER CORE, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT ANYMORE, THE INTER CORE. SO THE INTERCOURSE THAT THE CONTINUED DISCUSSION ON THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING IN THE WORKS FOR THE LAST LOT OF YEARS. AND, AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO, TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, TO DECIDE TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD OR WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO THERE AND SEND IT ONTO THE ALDERMAN. SO TODAY WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, EAT THIS ELEMENT, EAT THIS ELEPHANT IN SMALL PIECES. SO TODAY THE BITES WE'RE GOING TO TAKE, UM, IS TO TALK ABOUT THE TR THE LOCATION OF THE TRASH COMPACTOR. NOW, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, WE REVIEWED, WE, UH, DAVE DID A GREAT JOB IN LET'S TALK TRASH, UM, DID TELLING US ABOUT A TRASH COMPACTOR AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, THE ENCLOSURES, THE CAPACITY. UM, AND YOU KNOW, REALLY THAT WOULD BE THE BETTER WAY FOR US. WE, WE CAN, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE ISSUES IN THE INTERCOURSE WITH TRASH. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LAST ONE THAT WAS PRETTY BAD, I THINK WAS A RESULT OF A HOLIDAY MORE THAN ANYTHING BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS WE'RE PICKING UP SIX DAYS A WEEK, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY BACK THERE. AND BECAUSE IT WAS MEMORIAL DAY, THERE WASN'T A PICKUP SUNDAY OR MONDAY AND A VERY, VERY BUSY WEEKEND. SO OF COURSE MOST OF THE RESTAURANTS, THE STORES WERE REALLY BUSY THAT WEEKEND PRODUCING A LOT MORE TRASH THAN NORMAL. AND IT GOT EVERYWHERE AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS UPSETTING TO PEOPLE IN THAT BACK AREA AS WELL AS TO THE CITY. SO AGAIN, A COMPACTOR WOULD HOLD MORE CAPACITY. WE LOOKED AT THINGS SUCH AS, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING CODES ON THERE SO THAT PEOPLE WHO DID PAY INTO IT WOULD HAVE THE CODE BECAUSE WE ARE WITNESSING PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN LIVE BACK THERE OR HAVE BUSINESSES BACK THERE DUMPING THEIR TRASH BACK THERE. SO, AND SOMETIMES THEY DO THAT BACK WHERE WE ARE TOO. UM, SO THIS MIGHT BE A WAY TO SOMEWHAT CURTAIL THAT. UM, UNDERSTAND THAT TODAY'S DISCUSSION WILL JUST BE THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS. WE'RE NOT GONNA BE PUTTING ANYTHING FORWARD TO THE ALDERMAN. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN SKETCHED OUT AND PUT TOGETHER BY AN ARCHITECT OR A DESIGNER. THIS IS US JUST WORKING SO THAT WHEN WE DO GET TO THAT POINT, WE CAN HAVE THE PROFESSIONALS NOT HAVING TO WASTE A LOT OF TIME THINKING WE'RE GONNA TELL 'EM WE FEEL THAT THIS IS THE POSITION, WHATEVER. SO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DAVE AND THANK YOU DAVE. HE'S BEEN A GREAT RESOURCE TO ME WITH HIS ENGINEERING EXPERTISE, WHICH I LOVE. UM, AND SO THE FIRST THING WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY IS THE LOCATION OF THIS, THE TRASH COMPACTOR ON CITY PROPERTY. SO REMEMBER AGAIN, AND, AND DAVE, YOU WANT TO PUT IT UP THERE TO REMIND EVERYBODY, WE HAVE DECIDED THAT WE'RE ONLY GOING TO CONCENTRATE ON THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY. TOO MANY PLAYERS, TOO MUCH CONTROVERSY. IT'S BETTER IF WE GO ON THE PROPERTY WE OWN AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN WORK BETWEEN THAT FOOTPRINT. AND UM, I KNOW DAVE'S GONNA TRY TO PUT, PULL IT UP, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF YOUR NOTES OR IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE PAST MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ENTRANCE THAT'S NEXT TO MORGAN'S AND THAT IT GOES STRAIGHT BACK TO BEAR PLAZA. THAT'S THE AREA WE'RE TRYING TO CONNECT TO. IS THAT PD ON? I'M GONNA USE HELP CONNECT THAT. I FORGOT HOW I DID THAT. KAREN, DO YOU KNOW HOW TO WORK [00:05:01] ANY OF THAT? WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS DAVE'S GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITHIN THAT FOOTPRINT. YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. AGAIN, I'M JUST GONNA TRY TO RE RETHINK FOR YOU A LITTLE HERE. WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY TALKING TO OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS TO SEE IF WE SWAP AND MAYBE PUT THEM IN DIFFERENT AREAS. YEAH. AND, AND AGAIN, WE'RE THINKING MAYBE LET'S JUST CONCENTRATE WITHIN THE CITY FOOTPRINT AT THIS POINT. IS THERE ANYWHERE WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF WHAT THE CITY OWNS THAT WE COULD PLACE THIS TRASH COMPACT AND, AND PUT IT IN A PLACE REMEMBERING THAT TRUCKS, IT'S A DIFFERENT TRUCK NOW THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO BACK IN. OR HOW IT FRONT END, WHATEVER COMES TO PICK UP THE COMPACT OR TO EMPTY IT. SO YOU GOTTA THINK OF THAT. WE HAVE TO THINK OF INGRESS, EGRESS. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WE'RE GONNA SET SOME CRITERIA. AND THEN DAVE AND I HAVE COME UP WITH A PROJECT EVALUATION, SCORECARD SCORING METHOD. NO, I'M BEING VERY EDUCATED. . SO, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE ARE GONNA SCORE THESE ON DIFFERENT CRITERIA AND BASICALLY JUST APPLY A SCORE TO IT SO THAT, AGAIN, IT'S A, A TRANSPARENT PROCESS. WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE APPLYING THESE CRITERIA TO IT AND HOW DOES IT FIT WITHIN THAT, THAT SCHEME. AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SAY, OKAY, WE, WE ALL AGREE THAT THIS WOULD BE THE BEST PLACE FOR IT TO BE. SO WE ARE GONNA LOOK AT THAT AND JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHILE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THIS UP, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY ARE WE USING A SCORE SHEET? WHAT'S THE BENEFIT? A SCORING SCALE IS A METHOD USED TO ASSIGN THE NUMERICAL VALUES TO OBSERVATIONS OR RESPONSES IN ORDER TO QUANTIFY CERTAIN A ATTRIBUTES. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THE NEXT, IT PROVIDES STRUCTURE FOR THE EVALUATION PROCESS. UH, IT PROVIDES A CHECKLIST TO ENSURE THAT ALL THE CRITERIA HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED AND EVALUATED. AND I THINK THAT THESE ARE ALL IMPORTANT THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT. AND SCORING RUBRICS MAKES PERFORMANCE ASSESSMENTS MORE TRANSPARENT. SO AGAIN, THIS JUST HELPS US IN LOOKING AT IT. AND WE CAN TAKE THE COMBINED EFFORTS OF, UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE. UH, DAVE HAS, WE'VE LOOKED AT THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE CAN GIVE YOU 500, BUT PROBABLY NOT. BUT ANYWAY, UM, WE LOOKED AT A WHERE, UM, THE CONCEPT C THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WHERE THAT PLACEMENT SOMEWHAT WAS A NORTH OPTION AND A SOUTH OPTION. SO, UH, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET PAID TO GET THAT UP. THANK YOU MELISSA . I KNOW WE'RE CHALLENGED WITH THE TECH SUPPORT. I KNOW, I KNOW. PLAY THIS WORK. WE ARE CHALLENGED, AREN'T WE? SOME ISSUES WITH WIFI AND THE DISPLAY SCREEN, BUT THAT'S WHY WE NEED, UH, WHAT IS IT, MICRO, WHATEVER THAT NEW COMPANY METRO. METRO MISSED THE LAST OKAY, THREE. BUT THERE'S CURRENTLY TWO DUMPSTERS ARE NOW, IS THAT RIGHT? NO, IT'S ONE DUMPSTER AND ONE CARDBOARD. OKAY. AND THE DUMPSTER IS DUMPED SIX DAYS A WEEK. AND IS THAT GONNA REPLACE THE DUMP THE CARDBOARD ON THE, ON THE PLATE? YEAH. THE COMP CARDBOARD REMAINS THE SAME. IT'S, IT'S THE TRASH. AND THAT'S SOME OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN MOST OF THE PROBLEM IS THE OVERFLOW OF TRASH PEOPLE THIS WAY. IT WOULD HAVE A LARGER CAPACITY TOO, IT BY MAKING IT A COMPACTOR AND, UM, HAPPY TO, MIGHT WANNA PASS THAT. YEAH, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE. IS THE ONE THAT'S IN OUT PARKING LOT HERE, HERE, UM, IS IT GONNA, IS IT MADE TO REPLACE ALL THE DUMPSTERS IN THE NO, IT'S, IT'S THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THERE. YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, IT, WE ORIGINALLY HAD TALKED ABOUT AND WE ARE, UM, OVER HERE WHERE, UH, AND SHIFT OWNS THOSE FOUR PARKING SPACES AND MAYBE PUTTING EVERYTHING THERE. 'CAUSE THAT COULD PROBABLY FIT LIKE FOUR DUMPSTERS, THREE OR FOUR DUMPSTERS IN THAT AREA. UM, AND AGAIN, WE JUST DECIDED MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST LOOK AT OUR FOOTPRINT AND TRY TO KEEP WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT AT THIS POINT, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SWAP OUT PARKING SPACES, MAKING, YOU KNOW, THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER. IF WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING WORK, IF WE ALL DECIDE THAT NOTHING FITS THAT, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO PLAN B. BUT WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOTTA ADDRESS THE TRASH. I DON'T THINK WE CAN ADDRESS ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL WE ADDRESS THE TRASH. IT'S REALLY AN ISSUE. AND IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE A CONNECTOR OF PEOPLE COMING FROM CRAVEN TO MIDDLE OR BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TRASH IS AN ISSUE. IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, IT'S A HEALTH ISSUE, IT'S A AESTHETICS ISSUE. SO I FEEL LIKE THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. AND [00:10:01] WE CAN'T HAVE A DESIGN IF WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE THE TRASH IS GONNA GO. YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, ENCLOSED ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. AND THEN THE OTHER, UH, SITUATION WE'LL LOOK AT TODAY IS THE PLACEMENT OF A LOADING ZONE. DO WE WANT A LOADING ZONE? DO WE NOT WANT A LOADING ZONE? BECAUSE AGAIN, WE CAN'T TALK TO THE DESIGNERS AND WE CAN'T SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT THIS NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOADING ZONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. AND THERE'S SOME THINGS WE'LL THROW OUT THERE. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SABRINA? UM, I GOT GEORGE HERE. IF YOU ALL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR HIM, COULD THEY BE UP ON THE FRONT END BECAUSE HE'S GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE? YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DO AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS TRASH COMPACTOR GO. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO INTO THE WORK. WATER, ELECTRIC, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LIGHT ON AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, WHICH WE ARE NOT. THAT WOULD BE THE DESIGNER AND ALL OF THAT WORKING WITH THE CITY AT THIS POINT. IF WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHERE IT'S GONNA GO OR WHERE WE WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO GO OR WE THINK IS THE BEST SPOT, IT'S NOT GONNA MATTER. I MEAN, AND YOU MAY COME BACK AND SAY, HEY GUYS, THIS IS NOT GONNA WORK. BUT REGARDLESS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING ELECTRIC TO IT NO MATTER WHERE IT IS. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING ELECTRIC TO IT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING WATER TO IT SO WE CAN KEEP IT CLEAN. AND THAT'S PART OF THE HEALTH ASPECT OF IT. AND, AND JUST FROM LIKE THE 40,000 FOOT LEVEL, DO YOU SEE A WHOLE LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH GETTING POWER AND WATER THERE? UH, I'M NOT SURE OF THE NEED FOR THE WATER PER SE, BUT THE POWER, UM, WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT THERE. THERE ARE LOTS OF UTILITIES EXISTING THAT ARE KNOWN WHERE THEY ARE AND THERE'S SOME UTILITIES BACK THERE THAT ARE NOT KNOWN THAT MAY STILL BE AGILE. SO JUST MATTER. I THINK THE WATER WAS IMPORTANT MORE TO US AS BUSINESS OWNERS AND JUST THE CLEANLINESS OF IT, THAT IF YOU DO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT TAKE OUR TRASH OUT FOR US SOMETIMES AND SOME OF OF THEM ARE YOUNGER AND THEY'LL FLING IT OR WHATEVER THE BAG BREAKS OR SOMETHING AND THERE'S THAT MESS. MAYBE IF THERE WAS A WATER SOURCE THERE, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT, BUT IF THERE WAS A WATER SOURCE, YOU COULD AT LEAST CLEAN UP THE MESS ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW. I I WOULD BE MINDFUL ABOUT THAT. IF YOU'RE THINKING THAT WAY OF SOME KIND OF GREASE TRAPS ARE GONNA BE AP TO BE STATE, STATE CODES FOLLOWING IF YOU'RE GONNA UTILIZE WATER TO CLEAN THE TRASH CONTAIN. OKAY. I DID HAVE A QUESTION LAST TIME AND IT WAS, IT WAS MORE SO CONCERNING ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT FOSTER WAS TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE CITY WORKERS COMING TO CLEAN IT. AND I ASKED, UH, HOW MANY TIMES AND HOW MUCH THAT HAD COST SO FAR, HOW MANY INSTANCES DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION TODAY? I, I DON'T HAVE PARTICULAR INFORMATION, BUT IT'S, IT'S OCCURRED USUALLY ABOUT, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH. WE HAVE, WE HAVE CALL INS FOR THAT SERVICE. UM, USUALLY, YOU KNOW, A HALF HOUR TIME. USUALLY WE'LL DEAL WITH IT WITH THE THREE MAIN. AND I REMEMBER SOME TIME AGO WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS WITH THE MAN OF THE PARKING, THE TRASH TOO IS THAT IF THERE'S WATER IN ANY RUNOFF WOULD'VE TO GO INTO A SEWER, IT COULDN'T GO INTO THE DRAIN LOT. WELL, YEAH. AND AND DUMPSTERS WE HAVE NOW IS THEY TAKE THOSE OUT AND SMOKE 'EM OUT WHEN GET DIRTY AND PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH, BUT IT'S, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW SO MUCH FOR CLEANING THAT, BUT THE GROUND AROUND IT IS JUST SOME OF THE ISSUE. AND THEN ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMERTIME WHEN SOMETHING FALLS BECAUSE THE SMELLS BACK THERE SO BAD AND YOU KNOW THAT AGAIN, IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AND IT, MAYBE THIS DOESN'T WORK. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S GOING TO, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOME KIND OF AESTHETIC CHANGE AND MAKE A CONNECTOR THAT CONNECTS PEOPLE TO THE TWO BLOCKS, YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE THAT THEY WALK BY, IT'S, IT'S FAILING 'CAUSE OF TRASH NOW, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AN ENCLOSURE. IF WE JUST, I THINK WHATEVER WE DO, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ENCLOSURE, WHETHER IT'S BRICK OR WHATEVER WAY WE DO IT, THERE HAS TO BE AN ENCLOSURE. SO THAT WOULD HIDE. IT MAY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD HELP THE SMELL, BUT AT LEAST YOU MAY NOT SEE THAT RUNOFF AREA. UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S KIND WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT ONE. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CONNECTING THE TWO STREETS, DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH BEAR PLAZAS STRAIGHT ACROSS THE CREEK? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? WELL, I WANT TO, THAT'S THE FOOT. WELL IT'S THE FOOTPRINT OF WHAT THE CITY OWNS. IT KIND OF JIGS A LITTLE, BUT YES. SO THEY WALKING SOMETHING PEOPLE TO CORRECT BACK AND FORTH, WHICH WOULD BE KIND OF A COOL THING. OKAY. AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD END UP ON THE, UM, SOUTH SIDE OF WHAT THE CITY OWNS, RIGHT. THAT WALKING PATH COULD MAYBE GO STRAIGHT THROUGH. WELL YEAH. 'CAUSE WE OWN ALL THE PROPERTY STRAIGHT THROUGH. RIGHT. SO THEN MAYBE THE, THE TRASH THING COULD COME IN THROUGH THE OTHER SIDE, RIGHT. OVER. RIGHT. WELL THAT'S WHAT WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT. HE'LL HAVE THE PICTURE WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT BASED ON FINALLY. OKAY, THANK YOU. DAVE. DID YOU SEE ME SWEATING? YES. SO JUST THIS IS JUST THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. OKAY. SO SEE THAT IS THE, WHERE YOU SEE THE OUTLINE THERE IS WHAT THE CITY OWNS THOSE [00:15:01] TWO BLACK OUT, RIGHT? AND THEN THIS LITTLE SLIVER HERE, AND I THINK THIS IMAGE IS FROM LIKE, LIKE FROM 2021 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO FAIRLY RECENT, ANYBODY ORIENTED ON THAT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE, UM, MBF CONCEPT C THAT, THAT IS GONNA BE THE INSPIRATION. UM, AND OF COURSE THIS WAS TAKING A HOLISTIC APPROACH ON IT. UM, AND THEN, UM, HERE I JUST DID A, A REAL QUICK, UM, IF WE HAD, WITHOUT, WITHOUT REALLY REGARD FOR, FOR PARKING, UM, BUT YOU SEE THERE IS SOME ROOM FOR, FOR PARKING IN THERE, BUT A WIDER PATH JUST TO KIND OF MIMIC THE BARE PLAZA WITH A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UM, AND STILL AN AREA HERE FOR LOADING. AND THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE, THE COMPACTOR AND RECYCLE AREA WHERE THE, THE TRUCK WILL BACK UP HERE AND TAKE IT. UM, AS FAR AS HOW IT MIGHT WORK FOR, FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE DESIGNER TO, TO FIGURE IT OUT. BUT TRY TO DO IT IN A MANNER THAT, UM, UM, WHERE, WHERE THE CITY WOULDN'T BE BEHOLDEN TO ANY PRIVATE OWNERS. UM, AND ALSO THIS IS JUST A ROUGH SIZE. IT'S GONNA TAKE FURTHER INPUT TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT SIZE THIS WOULD NEED TO BE TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXISTING AND FUTURE BUSINESSES. BUT AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE, THE LAST, UM, SESSION, THE COMPACTOR GIVES SOME SCALABILITY BECAUSE, UM, THEY CAN, UM, OBVIOUSLY GET MORE OUT OF, OUT OF LEFT AREA BY COMPACTING IT. AND THEN IF THEY NEED TO INCREASE CAPACITY, THEY CAN JUST INCREASE THE FREQUENCY OF PICKUP. SO, UM, IN OTHER WORDS, STILL HAVE TO BE CANS FOR GLASS CORRECT. AROUND THAT. WELL, UM, HOW DO YOU HA DON'T YOU USUALLY KEEP THOSE AT YOUR PROPERTY? NOW THE RESTAURANTS KEEP THEIR NO, THEY'RE ALL KEPT RIGHT BESIDE OF THE CONTAINERS. THERE'S ABOUT FOUR TO SIX OF THEM. THEY'RE RIGHT BESIDE THE DUMPSTERS. AND YOU PUT THOSE OUT THE DAY THEY'RE PICKED UP AND YOU LEAVE THEM OUT THERE ALL THE TIME, STAY THERE. THE GLASS GOES STRAIGHT TO LANDFILL. YEAH. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A RECYCLING CONTRACT FOR THAT GLASS FROM VIA OUR AC PERMIT STRAIGHT TO LANDFILL. WE GO STRAIGHT TO GET THAT. WE EITHER HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME PICK IT UP ALL THE TIME OR HAVE A CONTRACT WITH A SERVICE. UM, THAT'S A COMPANY TO DO IT. AND GFL DOES THAT? YEAH, GFL DOES THAT. GFL DOES THAT FOR EVERYBODY PRETTY MUCH. SO IT WOULD, THE AREA WOULD ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER TRASH. WE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT WHAT, WHAT'S THE AREA NOW? IT'S LIKE A 20 BY 40 FOOT RECTANGLE THAT WE HAVE OR A SMALLER ROOM. YEAH, IT'S RIGHT THERE WITH THOSE PARKING, WAS IT THREE PARKING SPACES OR FOUR PARKING SPACES? YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE IT ON THE, ON THE MAP AREA. THE MIRACLE MOTHER TECHNOLOGY. I TRIED TO DO IT IN CUBITS, BUT MY BIBLICAL KNOWLEDGE , I DON'T WANNA PUT MY FOREARM ON THE GROUND. SO THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S THE DUMPSTER THERE. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S ABOUT SEVEN FEET. OKAY. WHICH EVEN LOOKS SMALLER THAN WHAT THE NEW FOOTPRINT. BUT YOU SAID THAT'S, UM, THAT'S REALLY, REALLY ROUGH. ROUGH AND YOU KNOW, THIS WASN'T MEANT TO BE THE SCALE, JUST TO GIVE CONCEPT AND, AND IDEA OF WHERE WE THOUGHT PLACEMENT WOULD BE. AND I, I DID USE THE, THE GUIDANCE THAT GFL PROVIDED AS FAR AS THE SIZE OF THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF I HAVE THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, SPACE, UM, THE WALLS [00:20:01] AND EVERYTHING. SO THERE, OKAY, YOU HAVE A THIRD ONE? UM, YEAH, THIS IS JUST WITH THE, UH, SHOWING IT TO THE, THE NORTH. SO SHOW UP HERE. AND WHAT I WAS THINKING IS IF IF IT WERE OVER HERE, MAYBE IT, IT'S JUST A, AN ALLEY JUST FOR THAT, THAT TRASH PICKUP THAT WHEN THAT TRASH IS BEING PICKED UP AND THAT JUST GIVES MORE AREA TO BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS. SO YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT, SO IT'S LIKE EXTENDING THE THE CUP INTO, INTO THAT AREA. CORRECT. THE DRIVEWAY CUP. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE COME OVER. YES, CORRECT. NOT WE TALKED ABOUT IT. UM, YOU KNOW, MY ONLY, THIS IS JUST ME SPEAKING AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE STREET, THE SMELL INVOLVED OF IT IS PEOPLE ARE WALKING BY THE SIDEWALK, BUT THEN WHEN YOU PUT IT TOWARDS THE BACK, YOU'VE GOT THE PEOPLE AT THE OREGON SITTING OUTSIDE THAT ARE SMELLING. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE A NO WIN SITUATION. BUT I MEAN, THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS. BUT THEN OVER HERE IT DOES GIVE IT A MORE CENTRAL LOCATION TO THE BUSINESSES. NOT SO MUCH, BUT I'M, I'M BACKING UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT AS I LOOK AT THIS, I, I START OUT INITIALLY NOT FEELING THE LOVE WITH THE WIDER WALKWAY. IT MAKES SENSE IN BEAR PLAZA BECAUSE YOU HAVE STORES THAT HAVE SEATING AND STUFF OUT THERE THAT IS ESSENTIALLY A WALKWAY. IT DOESN'T HAVE SEATING, IT DOESN'T HAVE OTHER STUFF. AND I THINK THE COST OF LOSING AS MANY PARKING SPACES AS WE'RE LOSING VERSUS GAINING A HUGE SIDEWALK IS NOT A GOOD TRADE OFF IN MY OPINION. AND I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW WHAT, LOOKING AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, UM, IS THE PARKING THAT IMPORTANT? AND I, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S JUST A QUESTION. AND IS, IS THE PARKING MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE? AND RIGHT NOW, THE WALKWAY, THAT'S AIR, NO ONE USES IT, USE IT ALL THE TIME. I DO IT. I'VE G GOVE DOWN THERE AT LEAST ONCE, TWICE A DAY HOUSE. IT IS JUST EASIER TO WALK DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE IT IS SO WIDE. IT'S NOT THAT WIDE. IT'S GOT TREES AND STUFF. THE, THE, THIS IS BASED ON THE, UM, CONCEPT C UM, FROM, FROM, UM, BERRY'S PLAN, IF I RECALL THE, THE, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU GAIN ONE PARKING SPACE THAT WAS DONE BY ADDING A TON OF PARKING SPACE, BUT THAT WAS FOR THE WHOLE FOOTPRINT. IT WASN'T FOR THE CITY. SO, UM, SO YOU HAVE TO DISREGARD THAT. YOU COULD, YOU COULD, UH, HAVE A LARGER WALKWAY AND A LOADING ZONE, I THINK, AND MAYBE NOT LOSE TRAFFIC BY THAT LOADING ZONE. ONLY BE IN A LOADING ZONE FROM LIKE SIX TO 8:00 AM OR EIGHT 30 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT. THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT WENT FROM SIX TO 10, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHEN THE STORES OPENED AT 10 AND THEN THEY COULD BECOME PARKING SPACE. YEAH. LUNCH IS WHEN YOU GOT THE HUGE DEMAND TO PARKING. BUT IT WOULD BE, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, PARALLEL PARKING SPACES VERSUS THE, BUT I USUALLY SEE THE TRUCKS THAT COME DO DROP OFF. MAYBE AT POPPY'S IT'S DIFFERENT, BUT WHEN THEY'RE PARKING, THEY KIND OF SERVICE A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES, LIKE THE BEER DISTRIBUTORS AND THE GROCERY DISTRIBUTORS, THEY PULL UP MORE SO BEHIND WHERE POPPY'S IS INSTEAD OF ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND TEACHING AN ALL DOG NEW TRICKS MAY BE KIND OF HARD TO GET THEM OVER THERE. AND THEN WE JUST HAVE THIS WASTED SPACE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT WALKWAY. THEN WE'RE LEAVING IT JUST FOR, AGAIN, IF IT'S A LOADING ZONE, THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE TO UNLOAD AND, AND A CART. BECAUSE THEN THEY COULD GET TO MANY OF THE BACK AREAS OF THE BUSINESS JUST 'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S NOT A SAFE AREA FOR THEM TO PULL IN. I THEY'RE IN THE STREET AND THAT'S JUST LOT. YEAH. EVEN WITH THE PEPSI DELIVERY, SOME DAYS HE COMES AND HE CAN'T FIND THE THING AND HE'S OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET AROUND THEM AND IT'S, IT REALLY, I IT'S DANGEROUS. YEAH. I THINK IN SOME CASES ANOTHER THING I, I CAN ADD TO THIS, UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO THAT AREA THAT'S PUBLIC ROADWAY IS WHAT THE CITY OF IS. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE BLOCKING THAT THE COMING IN NEXT TO MORGAN'S AND GETTING TO THE REST OF THE, THAT AREA. IF YOU HAVE A, I I'M ASSUMING IT LOOKS LIKE A WALKWAY THAT CARS CAN'T DRIVE OVER IT. YEAH, THEY COULD. WELL THEY OR THEY COULD. YEAH. THIS THE, THERE'D BE A CUT THROUGH CUT THROUGH HERE. I CAN'T EVEN DRIVE AROUND. YEAH. SIMILAR, I MEAN SIMILAR TO WHAT IT IS NOW. YEAH. SO WE DRIVE ON BOTH SIDES NOW. YEAH. ON THAT THEY WERE DRIVING BOTH SIDES AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE MAY THINK THAT THAT'S THE BEST WAY OR YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THAT WHOLE [00:25:01] DRIVE AND EASEMENT IS SOMETHING THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS IN OFFICE AND I TALKED TO SCOTT ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S CALLED A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT. AND THE IDEA BEHIND PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN USED YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, IT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COULD COME AND BLOCK YOU, BUT BY RIGHT. IT'S A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT AND THEY COULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, GO FOR HAVING THAT IN PLACE, HAVING A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT IN PLACE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S USED ON A REGULAR BASIS, THEREFORE IT'S DEEMED, UH, A PATH OR A, BUT I WAS, I WAS THERE WHEN, UM, MR. HAWKINS, WHEN HE OWNED MORGAN, DECIDED THAT HE WAS GONNA CONTROL THE FOOTPRINT OF HIS PROPERTY AND PUT CINDER BLOCKS AND MARKED IT OUT SO WE COULDN'T GET TO THE BACK OF OUR BUILDING AND NOBODY COULD DRIVE AROUND. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD TECHNICALLY HAPPEN AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO PREVENT. THAT'S WHY THIS IS SO STICKY. CAN YOU USE SOME OF THAT, YOU KNOW, GEORGE HAS SHOWN US SOME OF THAT, UM, STAMP CONCRETE LOOKING STUFF WITH THE CROSSWALKS. CAN YOU USE SOME OF THAT RIGHT THERE? OH YEAH. THAT BE, AND WE'RE, WE ARE JUST NOT AT THE WALKWAY AREA. YEAH. WE'RE JUST NOT AT THAT POINT YET. AGAIN, IT'S, THAT'LL BE ALL PART OF THE DESIGN, BUT WE CAN'T TELL A DESIGNER WHAT THE DESIGN , YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THIS, THIS PROCESS OF, OF TRYING TO AT LEAST IDENTIFY THESE DIFFERENT AREAS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GONNA DRAW IT IN DESIGN. OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH 10 DESIGNS AGAIN, OF WHICH PEOPLE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME NARROWING IT DOWN. SO WE WANT TO TRY TO GIVE SOME FEEDBACK. WELL, I THINK THE BENEFIT IS WE'RE, THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD THUS FAR HAVE LED US TO THE REALITY THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY. AND I THINK THE, THE FURTHER DISCUSSION IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT HERE TO CONVEY TO A DESIGNER IS IT WE NEED AS MANY PARKING SPACES AS POSSIBLE. WE WANT, OR WE WANT A GREATER PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AND MORE GATHERING AREAS. WE WANT TO, UM, HAVE A TRASH COMPACTOR AND WHAT IS THE CAPACITY OF THAT? AND HAVE THEM LOOK INTO IT. SO THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SIMPLIFYING IT FOR THEM AND GIVING THAT DIRECTION AND WHAT, IDENTIFYING WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCORING SHEET, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, HOW THIS WOULD WORK IS YOU INDICATE WHICH BENEFIT IN ANY ADDRESSES, EACH CATEGORY, AND ALSO TWO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. SO YOU WOULD SCORE IT EITHER A ZERO TO THREE, THREE MEANS IN THAT THREE OR MORE OF THESE AREAS IS A BENEFIT. TWO WOULD BE TWO OR MORE AREAS. ONE OR MORE AREA. NOTHING PROVIDES A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT IN EVERY AREA. AND THEN IT'S BROKE DOWN INTO SAFETY. FIRST ONE IS SAFETY. DOES IT IMPROVE THE PHYSICAL, PHYSICAL CONDITIONS AND INTEGRITY OF THE PUBLIC SPACE TO PROMOTE SAFETY? AND IT GOES DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT CRITERIA. IMPLEMENTATION, YOU KNOW, DOES IT UTILIZE CITY OWNED LAND? IT DOES, IN THAT CASE, IN THIS CASE, PLACE MAKING SOCIAL ANESTHETICS PROVIDES HIGH QUALITY SPACE, IMPROVING COMMUNITY WELLNESS AND QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE IT A PLACE MAKING ON THE BACK IDENTIFIED NEEDS. DOES IT IDENTIFY SIGNIFICANT ISSUES AND SERVE A PURPOSE? ADDRESS ONE OR MORE OF THE CITY COUNCIL PRIORITIES OR BOARD OF ALDERMAN, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY CONNECTIVITY AND ECONOMIC IMPACT. SO IT WAS BROKEN DOWN AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, I'VE WORKED ON THIS, UM, IN RESEARCHING OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND HOW THEY, UM, SCORE PROJECTS THAT THEY DO IN THEIR COMMUNITY. AND I BASICALLY PUT THIS TOGETHER BASED ON WHAT I FOUND ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THIS CAME FROM, I WANNA SAY NORTH PLA, SOUTH DAKOTA. DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? BUT I THINK THAT WAS WHAT THE CITY THAT I, I REALLY LIKED IT KIND OF FIT WHAT WE WERE DOING AND I FEEL LIKE THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT AND JUST MAKES IT EASIER FOR US. SO THE PROCESS WOULD BE IS TO TAKE THE OPTION OF THE, YOU KNOW, PHILLY FALCON BERRY SEA WITH THE KIND OF CATEGORY, THE, YOU KNOW, CATEGOR CORNER KIND OF SPACE. THE SECOND ONE WAS WITH THE, UH, TRASH COMPACTOR AT THE BACK RIGHT HAND SIDE. AND THEN I GUESS AT THE FRONT WAS YOUR THIRD OPTION? NO, THEY WERE NORTH OR SOUTH. OH, NORTH OR SOUTH. OKAY. I'M SORRY. NORTH OR SOUTH. SO, UM, THE OPTIONS, CAN YOU JUST PUT THEM BACK SO WE COULD JUST SEE THIS AGAIN? YEAH. THE OPTION C UM, UNDERSTAND THIS WAS DONE WITH A HOLISTIC APPROACH, ASSUMING ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS COULD AGREE, WHICH WE FOUND OUT THAT WAS NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE. [00:30:01] UM, WHILE SOME SIGNIFICANT ELEMENTS OF THIS DESIGN MIGHT BE POSSIBLE, THE MAIN POINT OF THIS MIGHT BE TO PRESERVE PARKING SPACES. WE LOOKED AT THAT. THE NORTH OPTION FOCUSES ON THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE WITH A MORE, WITH MORE SPACE DEDICATED TO PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT AND GATHERING AREAS WITHIN THE INNER CORE, PLACING TRASH IN THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY. AND THEN THE SOUTH OPTION FOCUSES ON THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE WITH MORE SPACE, DEDICATED PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT. AGAIN. UM, BUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND UNDERSTANDING THESE ARE STILL JUST CONCEPTUAL, THEY NEED FURTHER REFINEMENT. THIS IS NOT THE END ALL BE ALL, BUT IT, IT'S A WAY FOR US TO START. AND WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU ON THE SCORING SHEET, YOU KNOW, ON THE SIDE IF YOU WANNA, YOU KNOW, JUST WRITE SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PIECE OF PAPER TO COPY, YOU COULD DO A, B, OR C AND THEN SCORE FOR EACH OF THE THINGS JUST IN THE COLUMN TO THE LEFT. SO WHERE WE'RE SCORE ARE THESE TWO OPTIONS UP HERE? THREE, THREE OPTIONS. AND THE THIRD OPTION IS TRYING TO GET THEM BOTH ON THERE. AND I GUESS WE, THE OPTION IS TO, TO IS TO GO TO WHAT THE CONCEPT C DID IS THEN WORK WITH THE ALTERNATE PROPERTY OWNER TO SEE IF THEY WOULD OH, ALLOW THE COMPACTOR TO BE THERE. CORRECT. IF THAT'S OPTION C. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN THERE'S THE NORTH OPTION. AND SO IF YOU WANT TO CODE THEM 1, 2, 3, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO IT, BUT JUST MAKE IT KNOWN. SO WHEN WE WET YOU, I'M GOING BACK TO MY EARLIER POINT. UM, YOU, UM, IF YOU DON'T LIKE ANY OF THEM, PUT THAT FORWARD. WELL, AND I I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE A OR B UM, MIGHT BE GREAT, BUT THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE ISSUE THERE. THERE'S, YOU'RE LOSING ABOUT 20 PARKING SPACES. YEAH. AND I ALSO WOULD POINT OUT THAT WELL THAT'LL COME INTO THE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS IN SCORING IT, THAT WOULD BE REFLECTED. I, I UNDERSTAND. I GUESS REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I MIGHT LEAN TOWARD A OR BC, BUT IF WE'RE GRADING THEM STRICTLY AS PRESENTED HERE, RIGHT, THAT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I DON'T THINK IT, IT, TO ME IT'S MORE A QUESTION OF WHICH ONE DO WE NEED TO REFINE AND FOCUS ON? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY, THESE DON'T GET US THERE, I DON'T THINK. ALRIGHT, LET ME THROW THIS OUT TO YOU. THINK ABOUT IT, WHAT IF, AND RICK, YOU JUMP IN AND, AND YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK ON THIS AS WELL. UM, WHAT IF THIS PARKING LOT BECAME A KIOSK PARKING LOT AND WAS NO LONGER LIKE IT IS. OKAY. WHICH MEANS THAT IT'S AN HOURLY PARKING LOT. PEOPLE PAY AS THEY GO AND IT'S, IT'S IN AND OUT AND IT'S NOT LIKE IT IS NOW. DOES THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES MATTER BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA TURN 'EM OVER A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN WE ARE FOR. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. AM I CORRECT IN, IN SPEAKING TO THAT ISSUE, RICK? I THINK GIVEN THE RELATIVELY SHORT EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE BLOCK CROSS FROM CITY HALL, WHICH WAS CONVERTED TO SORT OF A KIOSK HOURLY, UM, UH, FORMAT, IT, AGAIN, IT'S NOT HEAVILY USED OTHER THAN KIND OF WEEKEND TIMEFRAMES. UM, HOWEVER, FROM A FINANCIAL POINT OF VIEW, THE CITY HAS ACTUALLY MADE MORE MONEY TO DATE, UM, THAN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS LEASING OUT THOSE SPOTS. SO, AND, AND THIS IS, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, I, I CAN FORESEE FOSTER COMING BACK TO THE BOARD AT SOME POINT SAYING WE'VE GOT RELATIVELY POSITIVE EXPERIENCE WITH THAT LOT. DO WE WANT TO THEN LOOK AT IMPLEMENTING THAT SAME FORMAT ELSEWHERE? COULD BE HERE, COULD BE OTHERWISE, BUT, SO THE POTENTIAL IS THERE THAT THE PARKING COULD, COULD CHANGE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE? WELL, AND TO ADDRESS YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, SABRINA, I I THINK THAT IT DEPENDS ON THE TIME OF DAY, AS MICHAEL SAID EARLIER, THAT THE ISSUE'S GONNA BE LUNCHTIME AND YOU KNOW, WHEN MORGAN'S SERVING LUNCH THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING THERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, AT, AT 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, THERE MAY BE TOO MUCH. UM, AND, AND BUT WOULD THERE BE MORE PARKING, MORE AVAILABLE PARKING IF IT WAS ON AN HOURLY KIOSK? BECAUSE THE REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF SPACE IS THAT ARE, I MEAN, NOT CLEAR. I I THINK OVER A 24 HOUR TIMEFRAME YES. FROM NOON TO TWO O'CLOCK. NO. SO I [00:35:01] MEAN, THE QUESTION BECOMES ARE DO YOU SACRIFICE PARKING SPACES THERE KNOWING THAT LUNCHTIME IS EASTER SUNDAY? UM, AND, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, MY THING IS THIS IS A REALLY BIG AREA AND YOU CAN SEE TABLES AND STUFF. WHO THE HELL WANTS TO SIT AND HANG OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A PARKING LOT, RIGHT? THIS IS GONNA BE A WALKWAY. SO I THINK THE SMALLER SCALE AND KEEPING THE PARKING IS ALL I'M SAYING. I MIGHT SAY I LIKE THE NORTH VERSION WITH THE SCALE DOWN AND I DON'T SEE, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW I SHOULD SCORE THAT. YEAH, I CAN'T SEE WHAT JOHN'S SAYING IS THAT I HAVE A DEDICATED ALLEY THAT JUST A A A TRASH TRUCK BACKS UP AND DOWN SEEMS LIKE A WASTE OF 20 FEET OF SPACE. MM-HMM. . WELL IT'S ALSO YOU'RE LOSING BOTH SIDES OF THE PARKING HERE. WHEREAS IN THE, UM, THE OTHER, YOU ONLY HAVE WHEEL PARKING ON ONE SIDE AND IT COULD BE LANDSCAPED. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, AS YOU SAID, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AT THAT WIDE OF PARKING. I MEAN, UM, SIDEWALK, BUT YOU COULD STILL LANDSCAPE IT NICELY. SO THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE WOULD BE BETTER THAN IT IS NOW. THERE'S NO TREES, YOU'RE JUST STARING AT CARS. BUT THE DUMP TRUCK OR THE TRASH TRUCKS CAN DRIVE THROUGH THE PARKING LOT LIKE EVERY OTHER CAR. OFTEN WE NEED A DESIGNATED AREA. IT JUST TRASH TRUCKS. WELL YOU SAID IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF TRUCK THAT WOULD BE PICKING UP THE COMPACTOR. YES. THEY DO IT BACK, IT BACKS UP INSTEAD OF FRONT LOADED COME OVER. THEY DO IT AT SIX 30. IT BACKS UP, RIGHT? YES. THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T NEED, THEY DON'T CARS, THEY WON'T BE IN THE WAY OF THAT. RIGHT. 30. WELL, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION, SO ON THIS SIDE OF THAT ISLAND, UH, WALKWAY, THAT'S WHERE ON THE, ON THIS SIDE, ON THE NORTH SIDE IS WHERE MOSTLY IT IS MORGAN'S PARKING, THAT'S WHERE THEY LEASE IT FROM THE CITY. MM-HMM. ON THE OTHER SIDE IS A LOT OF OTHER BUSINESSES, RIGHT? WELL THEY'RE LEASING. YEAH, THEY'RE THEY'RE LEASING, BUT THEY BUT THEY'RE MORE EMPLOYEES, NOT PEOPLE COMING IN. CORRECT. CORRECT. TO SHOP. RIGHT. SO GOING BACK TO THE KIOSK IDEA, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GIVE PARKING FOR, UM, EMPLOYEES DOWNTOWN, THAT CREATES A DIFFERENT SET OF ISSUES. I MEAN PERHAPS RATHER THAN THE WORRY ABOUT THE MONEY ASPECT OF THE KIOSK FILL UP ON THE RENT ON A LOT ON BASIS. THEY STAY EMPTY MOST OF THE TIME. YEAH, YEAH. THEY DO STAY EMPTY. PEOPLE PAY FOR THEM JUST TO KNOW THEY HAVE ONE. BUT JUST A QUICK ADD ON, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AS THE CURRENT CONDITION, THE PARKING STOPS HERE, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A DRIVETHROUGH MM-HMM. , IF YOU GO TO THIS, YOU'RE PICKING UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SIX, SEVEN SPACES HERE. SO OF THE, LET'S CALL IT 15 SPACES LOST, MAYBE IT'S MORE THAN THAT, BUT OF THE SPACES LOST HERE, YOU'RE GETTING MAYBE HALF OF 'EM BACK THERE BY ELIMINATING THE DRIVE THROUGH ON THIS SIDE. SO THEY'RE COMING IN AND GOING AROUND CLOSER TO BEAR PLOT. YES. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM. . SO AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AND IN THE SCORING, YOU WOULD PROBABLY SCORE THAT ONE DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU'D SCORE THE OTHER ONE. SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A PROCESS HERE SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT. YEAH. UM, LOGICALLY TO ME THE, THE IDEAL SOLUTION IN MY MIND IS GONNA BE A HYBRID OF COUPLE DS. AND THAT BEFORE THEY TELL US THAT, OR YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE A BETTER WAY OF DOING THIS, WE WANNA MAKE A SUGGESTION. THAT'S FINE. THIS IS NOTHING THAT'S WRITTEN IN STONE. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UH, GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO. 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE, WE'VE GOT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AND WE NEED TO, AT LEAST BEFORE WE CAN EVEN GO TO ANY KIND OF DESIGN OR EVERYTHING, WE'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO TELL THE DESIGNERS WHAT WE, WE NEED THIS TO FIT IN AND, AND WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IMPACT OUR VISITOR EXPERIENCE OR THE EXPERIENCE OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET BETWEEN THE TWO BLOCKS. YOU KNOW, BEAR PLAZA IS SO INVITING AND PEOPLE WALK INTO IT, BUT THEN YOU GET TO THE END OF IT AND YOU GO, WAIT A MINUTE, I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, DO I KEEP GOING STRAIGHT? WHAT IS THIS? IT'S NOT WELL LIT IN THE EVENINGS. YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE DESIGN PHASE TO GET THAT LIT UP BACK THERE. ALRIGHT, I'M DESIGNING ON THE FLY. OKAY. . SO IF WE MOVE, IF WE MOVE THIS DOWN SO THAT WE KEEP THAT MARKING JUST LIKE IT IS, UM, WE DON'T RELATE THIS, I MEAN, AND THIS COULD ALMOST, SO THIS WOULDN'T COME THROUGH, THEN THE TRUCK WOULD, WOULD BACK UP HERE. WE LOSE THOSE SPACES. THE TRUCK BACKS UP, PICK UP, PICKS UP THE COMPACTOR. I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE THAT THERE'D BE A LOADING ZONE HERE WHERE LOADING TRUCKS COME IN, THEN THEY HAVE TO BACK OUT. [00:40:01] WHY WOULD YOU DESIGNATE A 20, 30 FOOT STRIP JUST FOR A TRUCK TO BACK UP DOWN? WHY WOULDN'T THAT BE PART? BUT DELIVERIES ARE ALL SPORADIC TOO. UM, AND SO THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE SUGGESTED ITEMS AGAIN, AND I SAY IT'S NOT YEAH, THE OPTIONS. YEAH, IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S BECAUSE THAT WAS ALWAYS SUGGESTED FROM WHEN WE STARTED THIS, IS THAT THERE WAS A PLACE FOR TRUCKS TO LOAD AND, YOU KNOW, UNLOAD. THAT'S THE LOADING ZONE I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THE BACKING UP STUFF. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT HERE? JUST FOR THE TRASH TRUCK? YEAH. THAT SEEMS LIKE A HUGE WASTE OF SPACE. BUT YOU SAID IT HAS TO BE REVERSED BACK IN. RIGHT? SO IF YOU PULL THAT PLACE, YOU COULD JUST PULL AROUND AND AS THEY'RE LEAVING BACK UP TO IT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THAT IS. A HUNDRED OR A TWENTY FIVE, A HUNDRED FIFTY. WHAT DO YOU MEAN MOVE, MOVE THIS UP HERE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? HOWEVER, YOU'RE GONNA DRIVE AROUND THAT SHADED AREA. YEAH. THE TRUCK WILL DRIVE AROUND HEAD BACK TOWARDS GRAVER STREET AND THEN BACK UP. I THINK YOU USE PARKING SPACE AS ROADWAYS. I THINK WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING, AND IF I'M NOT HEARING IT RIGHT CORRECTLY, BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO KNOW IF A TRUCK COULD COME IN, CIRCLE AROUND, BACK UP, RIGHT. NOT GO OUT. CAN THESE TRUCKS GET AROUND WHAT'S THERE? OR IS THAT TOO TIGHT A TURN AND THEY CAN'T, COULD TURNS CHANGED. WELL THEN THE OTHER THING, WHY DON'T WE TAKE OUT SOME OF THOSE TREES, WHICH YOU KNOW THAT THAT'LL BE PART OF THE DESIGN TAKING THOSE ISLANDS. YOU HAVE THOSE ISLANDS WHOLE THING. BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, WE PUT MORE TREES IF YOU HAVE A BIG SIDEWALK OR NOT. YEAH. AND I THINK I, I APPRECIATE THE SHIFTING THE WALKWAY SOUTH, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS TO SQUEEZE IT, BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW ANYONE, NO ONE I KNOW WANTS TO HANG OUT IN THE PARKING LOT. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD EVER BE ANYTHING AT ALL. LIKE FAIR PLAZA. FAIR PLAZA, YOU'RE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC BRICK BUILDINGS WITH STOREFRONTS AND SEATING AND STATUES. I I DON'T SEE PEOPLE HANGING OUT LOOKING AT THE PARKING LOT. SO I WOULD JUST SHRINK IT, MAKE IT AN ATTRACTIVE PEDESTRIAN THROUGHWAY AND RETAIN PARKING AT LEAST ONE OF THE ONE SIDE. ONE SIDE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW. YEAH. LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING AND IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE. YEAH, YOU COULD HAVE, I MEAN I COULD CERTAINLY SEE BENCHES IF YOU WANT. YEAH, YEAH. TREES IN THERE AND STUFF. YEAH. I MEAN FOR SURE. BUT IT'S ALL PART OF IT. ANESTHETICS, LIGHTING. LIGHTING IS IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE OF THE LIGHTS LIKE WE HAVE WITH THE BANNERS, YOU KNOW, JUST TO CONTINUE TO, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN JAMES RE REED LANE IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A JAMES REED LANE OR A BEAR PLAZA. OR A BEAR PLAZA, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT THE SAME. THINK ABOUT THE, THE PASSAGEWAY NEXT TO YOUR PROPERTY. RIGHT. THAT GO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? PEOPLE USE THAT. THEY WALK BACK AND FORTH, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA HANG OUT THERE. IT'S, IT'S NOT INVITING AND, AND A PARKING LOT'S NOT INVITING ME. IT IT'S A, IT'S TRANSIT NOT HANG OUT. WELL DO WE JUMP IN FEDERAL ALLEY? FEDERAL ALLEY, YES. NEXT TO NO, NO, NO. THERE THE NEXT TO THE O MARK'S BUILDING THAT WALKWAY TO GET TO THE PARKING AND BACK OF RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. WHAT ABOUT FEDERAL ALLEY? I MEAN, UH, FEDERAL ALLEY ON THE CRAVEN STREET SIDE IS PRETTY UGLY. AND WE PUT THEOR IN THERE AND EVERYBODY JUST WALKS IT OVER THERE TO INSIDE FEDERAL, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE TRUCK BACKS IN THE WHATEVER AND THEN THEY LEAVE. JUST PUT IT IN FEDERAL ALLEY SAYING THAT'S TOO TIGHT. IS IT TOO TIGHT? IS IT TOO TIGHT? IT'S TOO TIGHT. FEDERAL ALLEY IS, YEAH, THERE IS. AND YOU'VE GOT ALL THOSE ELECTRICAL MM-HMM. . SEE IT'S RIGHT THERE. THAT'S CONSIDERED FEDERAL. HAVE THOSE TRANSFORMERS. TRANSFORMERS HAVE ELECTRICAL BOXES. YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN FEDERAL ALLEY GOES, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHT THROUGH AND YOU SEE, THEN YOU'RE AT SOMEBODY'S BACK DOOR OF LIKE THE JAMES NOW THEIR, THEIR SPACE THERE. UM, PLUS YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT ONE PERSON. THERE'S NO DRIVE OFF OF CRAVEN. IT'S VERY TIGHT TRUCK BACK INTO THERE. IT USED TO BE THE TRUCK. IT'S TOO TIGHT. IT USED TO BE THE TRASH PICKUP THAT'S DID IT. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE THE, THAT WAS THAT WHOLE LINE. THEY PROBABLY HAD TO WALK IT ALL. YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT AWAY THROUGH THERE. SO IT'S NOT ABLE PROPERTY. THE OF NEW ORLEANS RATHER. YEAH. RIGHT AWAY. SO THEY DON'T OWN YES, THEY DO MAINTAIN. NO, THEY OWN THAT. OWN THAT. THEY DO OWN THAT . WAS THAT THE ORIGINAL WAY PEOPLE GOT RID OF THEIR TRASH? YES. THAT'S LIKE IN THE 19 HUNDREDS WAS THE FEDERAL ALLEY EVERYBODY YES. SORT OF DID A CLEANUP THROUGH THAT, THROUGH THERE. AND YOU KNOW, I CAN THROW THIS OUT. DO WE NOT EVEN MESS WITH MAKING A CONNECTOR? IS THAT AN OPTION? AND WE JUST LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS AND [00:45:01] JUST TRY TO SOLVE THE TRASH PROBLEM AND DO NOTHING ELSE BACK THERE? IS THAT AN OPTION? I JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. I MEAN, IF WE'RE BRAINSTORMING, UM, DO YOU KNOW, IS THAT, I MEAN YOU COULD SAVE SPACE AND RESOURCES OR EVEN LIKE COME OFF OF BEAR PLAZA AND THEN HAVE THE WALKWAY ENTICE PEOPLE TO GO UP THE SHOPS TOWARDS P*****K AND THEN HANG, TAKE IT RIGHT ON FEDERAL ALLEY TO GO OUT TO CRAVEN INSTEAD OF MAKING THEM WALK THROUGH A PARKING LOT THAT, YOU KNOW HAVE BE, I DON'T PUT THIS WALK WAY DOWN HERE FOR OKAY, . SO WHAT ABOUT DOING TRASH PICKUPS A DAY, TWO TRASH PICKUPS A DAY? WE CAN'T DO THAT. THEY DON'T DO THAT. I'M SURE THEY WOULD. NOT REALLY. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST THE DAILY, WE NEED TO HAVE DAILY PICKUPS PROBABLY, BUT TWO A DAY I DON'T THINK WOULD MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. I I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD EVEN DO THAT TWO A DAY. CAN'T IMAGINE THEY WOULD REALLY, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HOW MANY PLACES THEY PICK UP, WE ONLY HAVE ONE PROVIDER THAT DOESN'T, I MEAN YOU CAN STILL HAVE THE, THE, THE WALKTHROUGH ALL THE WAY ACROSS IF YOU USE THE RIGHT PRODUCT. I MEAN LIKE ON CROSSWALKS ON UH, MIDDLE STREET AND P*****K STREET. YEAH. JUST SOMETHING SIMPLE. YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW, KIND OF HANDLE AND ALL THAT STUFF. IT'S LIKE THAT STUFF GEORGE WAS TALKING ABOUT FROM OTHER CROSSWALKS. MM-HMM. . WELL THAT DOESN'T REALLY SATISFY THE ISSUES OF SAFETY. AND THAT'S ONE OF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT WOULDN'T INCLUDE LIGHTING AND, AND IT DOESN'T BE, I MEAN IT WOULD BEAUTIFY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. IT BEAUTIFIES IT FOR SURE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. YEAH. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF MAYBE YOU CAN RAISE IT A LITTLE BIT. I CAN BE LIKE THAT SPEED BUMP ALMOST TIME. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE, THE, THE CROSSWALK, WELL ONCE YOU LEAVE BEAR PLAZA, SO THAT SIDEWALK, UM, IN THE MIDDLE THERE, WHAT IF WE JUST WIDENED THAT SIDEWALK AND MOVED ALL THOSE CARS, UM, SHIFTED OVER TO SQUEEZE IT TO MAKE IT NARROWER AND THEN WE CREATE A LARGER WALK IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THAT WALK IS NOW. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WHEN I WALK THERE, THE CARS ARE, THEY PULL IN REALLY CLOSE AND IT'S NOT A COM AND I WALK IT ALL THE TIME TOO. BUT IT'S NOT REALLY THAT COMFORTABLE, IT'S JUST FUNCTIONAL. RIGHT. BUT IF IT WERE ANOTHER FOUR, THREE OR FOUR FEET WIDER WITH UH, I DON'T KNOW, SOME PLANTERS AND A FLAG POLE, WHAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LITTLE MORE. UM, AND BECAUSE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE, IF NOT NEXT TO A BIG OLD WALL OF A BUILDING, DID THAT CHANGE LIKE THIS PARKING HERE TO PARALLEL PARKING AND THAT, THAT WIDES IT UP JUST TO, THERE YOU GO. UM, THEY PULL IN BECAUSE I WALK IT ALL DAILY JUST GETTING BACK AND FORTH. BUT THEY PULL IN TOGETHER, THEY PULL IN. IT IS NOT A FUN WALK. AND IF IT WERE, IF IT WERE THREE FEET WIDER, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE ENJOYABLE. SURE. JUST I THINK CHANGING THAT, UH, SOUTH SIDE TO PARALLEL, BUT ALSO MAKING THAT DELIVERY LIKE FROM SIX TO 10. RIGHT. UM, AND THEN FROM 10 ON IT'S PARALLEL TO PARKING. I THINK THAT, YEAH, THAT OPENS IT UP. I MEAN YOU COULD SAY NO PARKING FROM THIS TIME, THIS TIME. IF, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCK HAS THAT SPACE AND THEY DO IT ON STREETS ALL THE TIME FOR STREET SWEEPERS. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK, YEAH, ZERO PARKING FROM SIX TO 10 LOADING AND UNLOADING ONLY. AND THEN YOU'RE, I THINK, AND THEN YOU GET ENOUGH SIDEWALK AND IF BIG ENOUGH YOU CAN PUT TREES ON ONE SIDE AND LAMPPOSTS WITH BANNERS ON THE OTHER SIDE OR FEW BENCHES AND IT WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE AND ATTRACTIVE. UM, BUT STILL NOT SACRIFICING TOO MUCH ON THE PARKING SIDE. AND, AND ALSO I THINK THE, THE IDEA OF, AGAIN, TO ME THE QUESTION IS DOES IT WORK FOR THE TRUCKS? BUT IN, IN BOTH OF YOUR PROPOSALS, THIS IS EXTENDED HERE. AND THE ROUNDABOUT IS, IS THERE'S NO REASON FOR TWO, UNLESS THE TRUCKS SAY IT WON'T WORK. BUT IF YOU CAN EXTEND THAT, YOU'RE REALLY NOT LOSING PARKING SPACES. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA PICK UP, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST FOUR HERE AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, SIX OR WHATEVER PARALLEL YOU'RE NOT SACRIFICING PARK. AND I, I LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE HYBRID THAT I PERSONALLY THINK IS ATTRACTIVE. YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE? I LIKE WHEN YOU SAID ROUNDABOUT, LIKE IF THOSE TREES, AND I HATE TO LOSE TREES, BUT IF WE CREATED LIKE THIS BRICK CIRCULAR ROUNDABOUT THING THAT JUST PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT IS LIKE YOU GATHER IN THAT CIRCLE. IT'S [00:50:01] JUST THAT LITTLE WALKING ROUNDABOUT WOULD BE A VERY NICE FEATURE JUST IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THOSE TREES ARE. THEN YOU HAVE TO THINK OF THE SAFETY FACTOR AS CARS ARE PULLING IN AND OUT. WHERE, WHERE DO THEY PULL IN AND OUT? THAT'S, AND PEOPLE ARE THERE AND YOU KNOW, IS HOW SAFE IS THAT YOU HAVE CHILDREN IF THEY'RE RUNNING AROUND, IF YOU PUT, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY TOO MICHAEL LEE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT AREA. YOU KNOW WHERE THAT WALKWAY WAS, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE GONNA PUT GREG'S, UM, SCULPTURE. THAT'S ALWAYS WAS THE AREA WE WERE LOOKING AT. 'CAUSE IT WAS CLOSEST TO MITCHELL'S AND UM, WE WERE HOPING THAT KID WILL BE THERE. SO I WON'T LET YOU FORGET. NO. AND UM, WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS MAYBE ANGLING THEOR, YOU KNOW, SO IT JUST DEPENDS THEN IS THE TRUCK WOULD BE ABLE TO EASILY BACK UP TO GET, ARE THERE ANY SETBACKS AS FAR AS HOW CLOSE YOU COULD GO ON THE PROPERTY? I DON'T THINK SO. NOT DOWNTOWN. YEAH, THERE'S NO SETBACKS. DOWNTOWN ANGLE, DIRT ANGLE IT IN THE OTHER CORNER. YEAH. AND THAT'S HOW IT SHOWED IT IN THE, THAT'S KIND OF THE, I THINK IT, IT, IT'S MORE PURPOSEFUL IF YOU, IF IT'S STRAIGHT. 'CAUSE THE TRUCK CAN COME IN, GET IT RIGHT AND TAKE IT OUT. RIGHT. TRYING TO GO WITH AN ANGLE. RIGHT. I THINK IT'S JUST A MUCH BETTER, THESE THING MAYBE SLIGHTLY ANGLE A SIDEWALK. YEAH. SO WE CAN KEEP IT AS STRAIGHT BACK UP. I LIKE THAT DAVIS TECHNIC DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PAY IT. DON'T SAY ANYTHING. OH, THERE YOU GO. WE'LL WORK FOR FOOD. YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO PUT THAT MUCH OF AN ANGLE IN IT. IF WE EXTEND THE PARKING, IT MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE A LITTLE LESS. 'CAUSE IF YOU BRING THOSE PARKED CARS UP MM-HMM. LITTLE WARM THE OTHER WAY THERE. I, AND WOULD WE WANT THE TURNING RADIUS TO BE WITHIN THE CITY PROPERTY? WHEN I SAY TURNING RADIUS, THAT COULD BE BUT WHERE YOU INGRESS AND EGRESS TO BE WITHIN THE CITY FOOTPRINT WITHOUT GOING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S FOOTPRINT. SO NOW THIS, THIS CONTAINER NEVER GETS PICKED UP. DOES IT GET, DOES IT GET PICKED UP AND DO AND DOES IT DO THIS AND THEN GET DROPPED BACK DOWN? NO, THEY, THEY CHANGE IT OUT. THEY PUT A NEW ONE. SO THEY, THEY TAKE THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE YOU'RE LIKE PUTTING IT IN THERE INCH BY ENGINE. I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING EVERY WEEK WHEN THEY'RE, OH WELL SO WHAT I HAVE HERE, THIS IS THE ENCLOSURE. SO THIS IS THE MASONRY ENCLOSURE AROUND IT. THIS IS THE ACTUAL COMPACT. WELL THAT'S THE COMPACTOR. AND THEN THIS IS THE CONTAINER, THE ACTUAL THAT IT COMPACTS INTO. GOTCHA. AND THESE, UM, I HAVE THE, THESE ARE THE CHUTES OVER HERE. UM, SO I YOU ONLY, YOU'LL ONLY HAVE ONE EITHER SIDE. I JUST SHOWED HOW IT MIGHT BE ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER. AND REMEMBER WE TALKED, REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN GRADE FROM THE DOOR INTO THE COMPACTOR. UM, SO THERE'D BE A RAMP THAT GOES UP TO IT. UM, YESTERDAY I WAS DRIVING BY PROXIMITY AND I WAS LIKE, I WAS WITH UM, WITH SHERRY AND, AND, AND I SAID, I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK. GO. SHE GOES, YOU WANNA LOOK AT A TRASH COMPACTOR? . YEAH. SO, SO, UH, AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE, THE CAR TRASH. COMPACTORS TRASH. SO THEY, THEY ACTUALLY MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO IT TO TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER. YOU KNOW, THEY REMEMBER THE PICTURE I HAD, THEY HAD TO STICK BY IT BECAUSE IT WASN'T YEAH, YEAH. SHELF STICK. SO, AND THE CARDBOARD CONTAINER IS THE SAME SIZE AS THE REGULAR ONE THAT WE HAVE NOW. THAT'S WHAT I'M SHOWING. SO I, I DON'T KNOW. DID YOU PUT TWO IN THERE? ONE FACING EACH DIRECTION. THE CARDBOARD. YEAH. SO THIS MAYBE. YEAH. OH YEAH. SO I, AND THAT'S PICK, THINK ABOUT THE . IF THERE'S NO ROOM FOR THAT, THERE MIGHT, WITH THAT ANGLE, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO AND YEAH, THIS COULD BE RECONFIGURED, THIS COULD BE CONFIGURED DIFFERENTLY WHERE MAYBE THIS, THIS THING HERE IS OVER HERE. SO THEN IT GOES BACK EVEN, EVEN FARTHER. THE POSSIBILITIES ENDLESS. [00:55:02] SO IT COULD BE L-SHAPED KIND OF. YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THIS LITTLE AREA, THIS LITTLE SLIVER AROUND THE NORTHERN SIDE. YOU'RE BUYING YOURSELF A FEW MORE FEET RIGHT THERE. YEAH. IT'S NOT VERY BIG. I IT'S LIKE FIVE FEET, PROBABLY 10 FEET MAYBE. I'D SAY FIVE IS A PRETTY GOOD GUESS BASED ON THE WITNESS OF THE CARS. OKAY, WE'RE AT AT ONE O'CLOCK, WE HAVE ANOTHER HOUR TO GO. UM, LET'S, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OR WHAT IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF HOW WE MIGHT LOOK AT, WE FEEL LIKE WE DON'T NEED TO SCORE. WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOOD AT THIS OR, OR WE WANNA LOOK AT THE OTHER ONES. I, I LOVE, YOU KNOW, MICHAEL LEE'S SUGGESTION. MAYBE JUST WORKING WITH THAT FOOTPRINT THAT'S ALREADY THERE. WIDENING AND WIDENING WIDE A LITTLE BIT. SIDEWALK ENLARGING IT. , UM, COMMENTS. WELL THE OTHER THING IS DOWN HERE, UM, HOW, YOU KNOW, THIS USED TO COME THROUGH THAT, THAT MM-HMM. ISLAND THERE AND IT WAS TAKEN OUT. MAYBE MORE OF THAT IS, IS IS TAKEN OUT TOO. SO THERE'S A LOT OF RIGHT. UM, YEAH, I WOULD THINK YOU'D WANT TO TAKE ALL THAT CONCRETE MESS OUT. DO THE, DOESN'T LOOK GOOD AT ALL AND BE TREES BUT, MM-HMM. . WELL AND THAT ALSO GIVES YOU THE SORT OF ROUNDABOUT CONCEPT. YEAH. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, I ALMOST FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO, RATHER THAN SCORING TAKE WHAT WE HAVE HEARD TODAY, COME UP WITH ANOTHER PLAN. OKAY. UM, I HATE TO PUT MYSELF TO WORK AGAIN. JESUS VOLUNTEER AGAIN. I KNOW. YEAH. BUT THE PARALLEL SLASH LOADING ZONE. YEAH. YEAH. SO WE STILL THINK THE LOADING ZONE'S IMPORTANT AND WE'LL INCLUDE THAT. SO WE'RE GONNA PARALLEL THE LIMITED HOURS. OKAY. AND WE'RE GOOD WITH THE PARKING. ANY OTHER PARKING COMMENTS? WELL, JUST LOOKING AT WHAT'S UP THERE NOW. I DON'T BELIEVE IF THE TRUCK'S GOING TO BACK INTO IT, I DON'T THINK IT CAN BACK INTO IT UNLESS IT BACKS THE WHOLE WAY. OH. IT WOULD HAVE TO. THAT THE ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE HAVE TO TURN DRASTICALLY MORE TOWARDS CRAVEN. AND AGAIN, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO VISUALIZE THAT NOT BEING THERE. SO YOU HAVE TO DRIVE OUR WAY AROUND. IF WE GO BACK TO THIS, UH, BERRY PLAN OR CONCEPT C, IF A TRUNK ASSUMING CAN GET AROUND THE, WHAT'S NOW THAT OAK TREE AND COME BACK OUT TO CRAVEN. IF THERE'S A WAY IT CAN BACK THERE. UH, THE WAY THEY'RE FACING NOW, THEY'RE FACING LIKE THE TRUCK GOES FORWARD. THE DOOR, YOU WERE ON THE, ON THE EARLIER ONE THAT HAD THE ADJUSTERS YOU DROPPED IN THERE. YOU WERE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE NORTH SIDE. THE SOUTH SIDE WAS KIND OF, NOT REALLY NOT, MIKE WAS TALKING ABOUT PROBLEMS WITH THE SOUTH SIDE VERSION WHERE YOU HAD THE UPDATED UH, NO, THE ONE NOT, NOT THE ONE. THEY JUST PUT THE TWO, THE ONE THAT YOU WERE MONKEYING WITH. OH YEAH. THAT SOUTH SIDE DUMPSTER LOCATION. IS THAT THE, THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY UNDER THAT, THAT'S NOT REALLY UNDER CONSIDERATION RIGHT NOW. IS IT? I I THREW THAT UP THERE. 'CAUSE WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE, UM, ON SITE, WE'D MENTIONED THAT AS A POSSIBILITY. IF YOU KEPT IT. OKAY. I GUESS YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE IT. IT'S GOTTA BE PERPENDICULAR. I MEAN COULDN'T THE TRUCK, I GUESS THE TRUCK COULD ALMOST COME IN AROUND AND THEN BACK, YOU KNOW, GO ALL THE WAY AROUND AND THEN BACK INTO IT IF IT WAS STRAIGHT. BUT REMEMBER THIS WOULD BE LOADING ZONE HERE, SO THEY CAN'T REALLY PULL THAT. THE SIDEWALK GONNA GO ALL AWAY, RIGHT. YEAH. BUT IT WON'T BE, WON'T IT BE A SIDEWALK YOU COULD DRIVE OVER? 'CAUSE YOU GOTTA HAVE A WAY TO YEAH, IT'LL BE A, I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE A WAY TO DRIVE UP. YEAH. I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE GO AROUND THIS WAY. RIGHT. TAKE THAT OUT. CIRCULATION GOES LIKE THAT. ALRIGHT, WELL SO THEN COULDN'T YOU, I GUESS THE TRUCK COULD COME BACK WAY, GO STRAIGHT AND BACK INTO IT FOR EITHER ONE OF THEM. WELL, I THINK THIS ONE'S EASY. THIS ONE'S CHALLENGING. AND SO I WOULD SAY FOCUS ON THAT. AND WOULDN'T YOU HAVE TO PUSH THAT OVER IN ORDER TO GET THE, TO GO FOR THE OTHER CARS TO GO AROUND. SO YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO STICK CLOSE MORE CLOSELY TO THE CITY PROPERTY. ON, ON WHICH ONE? THE UPPER ONE? YES. THIS ONE. I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU EXTENDED THIS, SO THIS BRAIN HERE, SO, SO [01:00:01] SAY YOU EXTEND HERE AND SAY YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP YOUR, YOUR DRIVE. SO YOUR DRIVE WOULD REALLY JUST BE IN THIS AREA SO THAT YOU STAY WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CITY. WELL, I, I MEAN, BECAUSE AT ANY POINT, WELL, WELL I UNDERSTAND YOU. IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, THEN YOU NEED TO, YOU CAN'T PUT PARKING. THERE WOULD BE MY POINT. WELL, YOU COULD GO TO MAYBE ABOUT THERE AND YOU COULD STILL HAVE A ROUNDABOUT. WELL, THE DUMP, THE TRUCK COULD BACK ALL THE WAY DOWN THE PARKING LOT THERE. I WOULDN'T TAKE THE PRESUMPTIVE ARGUMENT AND SAY WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT TO GO THROUGH THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE FOREVER. SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT, THAT YOU STILL HAVE ALL THIS STUFF IS ON OUR PROPERTY AND WE HAVE ALWAYS DRIVEN THROUGH THERE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. YEAH. WELL THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO COME IN THIS WAY TO GET BACK THERE ANYWAY, SO THAT'LL AGREED. AGREED. BUT AGREED. JUST I THINK THE NORTHERN WILL WORK. I GET YOUR POINT. IT, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S FOR SCOTT TO WRESTLE WITH. CORRECT. I I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A SHORT WRESTLING MATCH WITH SCOTT QUICKLY. HE USUALLY DOES. WELL, I THINK THAT IF TRUMP PASS TRUMP DOWN AT SIX 30 IN THE MORNING YEAH. BACK, STRAIGHT DOWN, KIND OF CLOSE TO MORGAN'S. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM GETTING INTO THAT ONE. THE OTHER ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT'S REALLY, YOU GOT THE BACK AND TURN, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD WORK. YOU KNOW WHAT'S FUNNY HERE IS IT FEELS LIKE WE KEEP GOING BACK TO THIS MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, THAT IS VERY SIMILAR. THAT HAS WHAT MIKE LEE WAS TALKING ABOUT. YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE, IT DOESN'T LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO TURN RADIUS FOR THE THING. IT HAVE THE BACK ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM GRAVE TO GET THERE. THIS JUST COMES OVER INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO GO AROUND AND THEN COME THROUGH AND BACK UP. AND THAT PROPERTY THAT, THAT HAS PARKING SPACES AND DUMPSTERS ON IS, IS JUST A RECTANGLE THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT. I REMEMBER WHEN THAT ANCY POPPED UP THERE. 'CAUSE THAT USED TO NOT HIT PARCEL, BUT, UM, YEAH, I THINK IT WAS CONVEYED WITH ONE OF THE BUILDINGS. I JUST NEED TO MOVE IT OVER A LITTLE BIT. BUT IF THAT'S GONNA IMPACT CARS, WELL THAT, THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ROTATED A LITTLE BIT MORE SQUARE MM-HMM. LIKE IT IS NOW. WHY ANGLE IT VERSUS JUST MAKING IT STRAIGHT? YEAH. STRAIGHT. YEAH. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I'M, I'M WITH YOU ON THAT. WHY NOT MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, PERPENDICULAR RATHER THAN ROTATE IT COUNTER JUST A SLIGHTLY SLIGHT BIT. SO IT'S JUST EVER, YOU PROBABLY HAVE ONE TRUCK, SO YOU WORRY. YEAH. AND THEN WE WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE THAT'S RIGHT TO THE LEFT OF IT. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. SO YOU CAN STILL DRIVE THROUGH AROUND IT. CORRECT. AND THAT CAN COME DOWN TO THIS LINE. YEAH. THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE. THEY'RE GOING HAVE TO DEAL WITH CONDO OWNERS ON TOO, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE CONDO CONDOS PEOPLE ARE PARKING NOW. LITTLE BIT FURTHER, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A SURVEY OF WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK THEY OWN PROPERTY BACK THERE AND THEY DON'T, AND THEN THERE'S LITTLE MARKERS ALL OVER THE, THE PAVEMENT BACK THERE THAT, AND I'VE HAD FIVE PEOPLE SAY TO ME, LET ME SHOW YOU MY MARKER. AND THEY, AND THEY TAKE ME OVER AND THEY SHOW ME THERE'S MY PROPERTY LINE. RIGHT. AND I IT'S, IT'S ALL OVER BACK THERE. CONGLETON, EVERYBODY. OH YEAH. WELL THERE'S SHOWS ME THEIR PROPERTY LINES. WELL, AND THEIRS ARE CORRECT. THE ONLY ONE WHERE THERE'S AN ISSUE IS IT'S, IT'S NONE OF THOSE IS THOSE, THE CONDOS, THOSE FOUR PARKING SPACES, HALF OF THAT PARKING SPACE WHERE THEY LINED UP IS, IS ON CITY PROPERTY. THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE BACK THERE AS FAR AS, BUT SOMEBODY'S PARKING THERE. RIGHT, RIGHT. THE CONDO, THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE FOUR UPSTAIRS CONDOS. SO WHEN THEY DISCOVERED THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF THEIR, WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MOVE UP WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY OWN ALL THE PROPERTY. THE PARKING SPACE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE UP BECAUSE PART, I THINK HALF OF IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT, WHEN YOU SAY THE CONDOS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR PLAZA? CORRECT. OKAY, GOTCHA. RIGHT HERE. YEAH. THAT IS ENCROACHING, THAT'S NOT, IT'S IT'S BACK THERE. IT'S OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE. THE LITTLE, SEE THAT LITTLE RECTANGLE PIECE? THOSE ONES RIGHT THERE. YEAH. SO THIS, RIGHT? YES. UP HERE. YEAH. UH, YEAH. ARE THERE PARKING SPACES [01:05:01] THERE? YES. TOM, TOM, UH, LISA'S A FEW OF THOSE. TOMS NO, NO, NOT THOSE, NOT THOSE. THEY'RE THE ONES IF YOU COME OUT THE BACK DOOR OF THE FUDGE YEAH. THE FUDGE FACTORY AND THE, UM, HAIRDRESSERS. HAIRDRESSER RIGHT DIRECTLY ACROSS OUR FOUR PARKING SPACES AND HALF, OR MAYBE NOT QUITE A HALF, I'M NOT SURE, IS ON CITY PROPERTY. GOTCHA. 'CAUSE WHEN THEY LINE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS WAS LINED AND DONE BACK WHEN EVERYBODY WAS KUMBAYA, WAS NEVER SUCH A TIME WHEN QUBITS WAS THE STANDARD WHEN NOBODY CAME DOWNTOWN. AND EVERYBODY WAS JUST HAPPY TO SAY WE HAVE PARKING . BUT TO MICHAEL LEE'S POINT, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE DECIDE AND WHAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE ALDERMEN. ULTIMATELY IT'S, IT'S ABOUT HOW IT'S ROLLED OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND TO THE PUBLIC. YES. AND THAT IS GONNA BE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. AND THAT'S HUGE. IT'S THE PUBLIC INFORMATION PIECE OF THIS THAT IS SO IMPORTANT. THAT IS OFTEN SO NOT WE CAN WORK ALL DAY LONG. IT'S GOT TO BE COMMUNICATED. SO DO WE NEED A SURVEY OF THE REST? WE'RE NOT AT THAT. CAN WE RECOMBINE THAT, UH, THAT ONE LITTLE PARCEL BACK INTO THE DEPARTMENT? YEAH. AND, AND WE WE ARE, WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT. NO, BUT I MEAN, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THREE PARCELS THERE. MAKE IT TWO. YEAH. THAT'S A, THAT'S A SCOTT QUESTION. YEAH. I CAN'T THINK OF ANY REASON YOU COULDN'T. YEAH, MOST OF YOU CAN. AS LONG AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY SOME POINT PART OF IT. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT EVER GOT SPLIT OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS ON THAT OTHER THAN THAT'S THE CITY'S FOOTPRINT. THEY MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER. AND ACTUALLY IF YOU PULL UP, WE CAN FIND ALL THREE OF 'EM INTO ONE. MAYBE IF YOU PULL UP GOOGLE MAPS SATELLITE, YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING SPACES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE DEFINITELY COMING ONTO THE CITY PROPERTY. MM-HMM. , NO QUESTION. AND SEE THEIR FOOTPRINT. THEY DO HAVE PROPERTY. IT, IT WAS JUST, AND, AND I THINK THE CONFUSION IS BECAUSE THIS WAS DONE IN THE LATE EIGHTIES, EARLY NINETIES WHEN THAT PARKING LOT WAS MADE BACK THERE, I THINK JUST MADE SPACES BECAUSE IT WAS ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY BACK THERE AND EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, JUST PARK BACK THERE. AND IT WASN'T OWNERS SAYING, THESE ARE MY SPACES, YOU KNOW, THEN IT EVOLVED. THERE WAS NO CONDOS THERE, YOU KNOW, SO THEY SAID, OKAY, THIS IS MY FOOTPRINT, THIS IS MY PROPERTY. AND, AND REALLY 'CAUSE THE, THE THINGS WERE THERE NOW, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YES, IT'S A MATTER OF THIS IS, WE'RE JUST A RECOMMENDATION. WE'RE THE GUYS, WE DON'T HAVE TO CARRY THAT TORCH BEYOND THAT OTHER THAN WE FEEL IT'S GOOD. WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, WE'VE WEIGHED IT, WE, YOU KNOW, MADE SUGGESTIONS. AND THESE, AGAIN, WE'RE STILL AT A CONCEPT PHASE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HIRE A DESIGNER, AN ARCHITECT, WHOEVER IS HIRED TO REALLY DO THE NITTY GRITTY AND PUT THE SPACE OUT IN THE LANDSCAPING, WHATEVER, THINGS COULD DEFINITELY CHANGE. AND THEY COULD SAY, LOOK, THIS JUST, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET THE LENGTH OF A CAR AND SAFE MOVING VEHICLE AROUND IT. AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO TRY TO GIVE SOME FEEDBACK TO SOMEBODY BEFORE THEY SPEND THEIR TIME AND OUR MONEY DESIGNING AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, AND I, I STRONGLY SUGGEST IT BE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UM, BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTS HAVE, ARE GREAT WITH BUILDINGS AND THEY, THEY TOUCH ON THE EXTERIOR AND PARKING AND SO FORTH. AND CIVIL ENGINEERS, WE DO EVERYTHING BUT, UM, . BUT IN REALITY, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IS THE, THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL WHO'S GOING TO GIVE US THE BEST DESIGN FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UM, ONE THING THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT I THINK IS ALSO AN ISSUE IS THE CITY'S DESIRE TO BE OUT OF THE TRASH BUSINESS. YES. YEAH. THERE'S THAT AND THE NEED FOR AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE SO THAT THE CITY ISN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR TRASH THAT'S BEING COLLECTED ON CITY PROPERTY. AND THEN THAT AGREEMENT COULD MAYBE BE SOMEWHAT OF A TEMPLATE FOR THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS TO USE, UM, IN THAT TRASH COLLECTION SITE SOUTH. IF, IF THAT, IF THE NEED DEVELOPS FOR THAT, THEN WHAT AGREEMENTS, KAREN AND I KNOW YOUR SON KNEW BECAUSE IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT, JOHN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UM, LYNN AND THE LADY WHO WAS [01:10:01] WORKING WITH HER BEFORE, I CAN'T REMEMBER. ANNMARIE, NO, NOT ANNMARIE. KAREN. OH, KAREN. OH, THE OTHER CARRIER. OKAY. THE OTHER CARRIER. YOU KNOW, THEY WORKED REALLY LONG AND HARD AND I THOUGHT THERE YOU DID HAVE, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT YOU DECIDED, I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY WITH THE CITY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WERE PAYING INTO THE TRASH AND THAT, YOU KNOW. NO, I DON'T THINK THAT, I, I THINK THAT WAS DIFFERENT. THAT WAS LIKE AN AGREEMENT AMONG THE PEOPLE USING IT AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY SAYING, HERE ARE THE TERMS THAT WE'RE GONNA ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. OKAY. UM, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO RUN BY SCOTT AND, AND LET SCOTT, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CITY IS AND ISN'T COMFORTABLE WITH. AND WHAT KIND OF TERMS IT, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING IT'S GONNA BE ALONG THE LINES OF WE'RE NOT GONNA SEND OUR PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE OUT TO CLEAN THIS THING UP. IT'S ON YOU AND WE NEED A CONTACT PERSON BECAUSE IF IT'S A MESS, WE NEED SOMEONE TO CALL AND, OR WE'RE GONNA CALL ALL OF YOU SIMULTANEOUSLY. BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE THAT KIND OF AN AGREEMENT. LIKE AA YEAH. YEAH. I GUESS THAT'S BE GOOD WAY. BUT WE REALLY WANNA FORM THAT ANYWAY SO THAT WE KNOW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE CODES ON IT SO ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAD THE CODES COULD DUMP THE TRASH AND THEN, YOU KNOW WHO'S PAYING FOR IT TOO. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL OWNERS AS WELL AS THE BUSINESSES. AND KAREN, YOU HAVE A LIST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY THAT CODES GONNA GET PASSED PAYING INTO IT OR OBLIGED TO USE IT. ARE YOU IT JUST WILL. NO, I THINK THEY'VE ASKED FOR THAT, BUT THERE'S NOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S EVER BEEN GIVEN. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TAKING AWAY THE, ALL THE INDIVIDUAL TRASH CANS? THEY WERE ALREADY TAKEN AWAY. SO THAT WAS PART OF THIS CLEANUP ORIGINALLY BECAUSE THEY WAS LIKE 14 OF 'EM BACK THERE FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS. AND THEY WERE ALL THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE TOO. NOW THIS IS, IT WAS THE, IT WAS THE NORTH END. THE NORTH END. IT WASN'T, IT WAS THE PEOPLE FROM BEAR PLAZA BACK BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE TO AGREE THIS AREA. NOT THIS AREA. YEAH. SO LIKE THE CONDOS STILL HAVE THOSE ROLLOUT. YOU WHAT'S I'M SAYING, LIKE THE ONES IN THAT YEAH, THAT END. WAS IT WAS THAT THE END CLOSEST TO MORGAN'S AND THAT DAY WERE ALL THOSE RESIDENTS WERE COMBINED INTO THAT ONE TRASH CAN? THE TRASH CAN. THAT'S RIGHT HERE ON OUR PARKING LOT. IT WAS, UM, LYNN BASICALLY JUST ASKED IF SHE BARELY PUT IT THERE AND IT'S UM, IT'S BASICALLY ALL THE BUILDING, ALL THE RESTAURANTS AND THIS IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM FAIR PLAZA SOUTH AROUND BACK TO, UM, TO THE PARKING LOT OF CITY. UM, I MEAN, IT, IT'S OKAY EVERY DAY. PROBABLY SUNDAY WE GET HER MONDAY MORNING IT'S ON HER PHONE, BUT, UM, THAT'S JUST VOLUNTARILY. SHE JUST ASKED ME TO PART IT TEMPORARILY ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, . BUT, UM, NOTHING EVER GOT DONE WITH IT. BUT, UM, IT, IT IS A, THERE'S A LOT OF TRASH THAT COMES OUT OF IT AND A LOT OF PEOPLE USE IT. THEY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T. BUT IF THAT WERE TO BE USED JUST FOR OFFICE, WHEN I CAN TRY TO GET LIMITED TO DO AGREEMENT ON, SO BASICALLY THE CITY'S PARKING LOT SOUTH, NO RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, PLAZA SOUTH, JUST OFFICE TRASH. THAT WOULD PROBABLY HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF IT AND THINK THAT YOU CAN JUST PUSH IT OUT A COMPACTOR. THAT'D BE NICE TOO. WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ONE GOING OUT OF THE PARKING LOT. IT'S CONVENIENT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT MAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD WORK. WE COULD DO THAT. WE WANT INVOLVE AS MANY PEOPLE. THE ISSUE WAS THAT WE COULDN'T GET AGREEMENT ON THAT, THAT SIDE OF THE, THE LOT. SO. WELL, IT'S CONVENIENT, UH, FOR, FOR US, THE CHAMBER A, B, C AND, UM, MITCHELL, MITCHELL MITCHELL UNIT KNOW THEY HAVE A LOT OF TRASH, BUT A LOT OF STUFF. YEAH. SO IT WORKED OUT WELL. BUT THE FOOD TRASH DEFINITELY MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. WHAT WE HAD BEEN USED TO FOR YEARS. AND I, YOU KNOW, I TELL YOU, COOPERATION IN A HURRY IF YOU LOCK IT AND TELL 'EM YOU WANT A KEY. HERE ARE YOUR TERMS. WE DON'T, WE DON'T. DO YOU KNOW WHAT BOOT TRASH IS GOING IN THAT ONE? I THINK IT'S RAT. IS IT RAT AND JAY'S PINKIES. IES AND FOUR HOUSE. FOUR HOUSE. WHAT ABOUT THAT? THIRSTY? I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH COMES FROM POORHOUSE IN, UM, THIRSTY BREWER. 'CAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THEIRS IS BOTTLES AND THEN THEY DO A LOT OF STUFF'S ON TOP. UM, IT'S DEFINITELY, UM, CAPTAIN ROD'S AND UH, MJS FOOD TRASH. SO ALL THE TRASH CANS ARE LINED UP OUT HERE. WHO, WHO DO THOSE FOR? MUST BE THE APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, CONDO AND STUFF THAT ARE, WHAT IS IT, MIDDLE STREET EAST, IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? [01:15:01] MIDDLE STREET EAST. THERE IS A, AN OIL REFUGE USE THING RIGHT THERE. I THINK WHAT MJS DUMPS THERE WAS LIKE THE OIL, PROBABLY THE GREASE. OH YEAH, THAT'S MJS. BUT I THINK RAT'S HAS THEIR OWN. YEAH, YEAH. USUALLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE FOR EACH BUSINESS. AND YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE TO TRY TO CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THIS. AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, BRODY PROPERTY, THOSE SPACES THAT WERE UP AGAINST BACK HERE BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD TRY TO SWAP HIM FOUR SPACES SOMEWHERE ELSE TO, TO PUT THAT. BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO WORK, YOU KNOW, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO WORK. AND I, I THOUGHT, AND A COUPLE MONTHS AGO HE SAID HE WAS WILLING, MORE WILLING TO LISTEN NOW TO SEE WHAT THAT BEEN IN THE PAST AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEN IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS SUCH AS THE RESTAURANTS AND STUFF ON THIS END COULD WORK SOMETHING WITH HIM AND SAY, LOOK, WE'LL GIVE UP SOME OF OUR SPACES TO HAVE A COMPACT OR SOMETHING THAT GETS PICKED UP RATHER THAN ALL OF US TRYING TO HAVE TO WORK ON THAT. I MEAN, THE INDIVIDUAL MSD DOESN'T, WE DON'T PAY FOR THAT. THE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE PAY FOR THAT. WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR THE DESIGN OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE AMENITY, WHICH IS THE WALKWAY AND THE LIGHTING AND THE OTHER THINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE, AS FAR AS WHAT DAVE WAS SAYING THOUGH ABOUT BEING IN, IN THE BUSINESS, I MEAN, COULD M-S-D-M-S-D COULD PAY FOR SOME LABOR TO GO MAINTAIN THAT? YEAH, WE COULD. WE, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A PERSON DOWNTOWN ANYWAY WORTH THEIR JOB. MM-HMM. BE PART OF THE TAX AND, AND CITY'S ALREADY RICK, WHETHER Y'ALL WANT TO ADMIT OR NOT, CITY'S ALREADY IN GARBAGE COLLECTION. I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT A CITY OF NEW AND BILL, AND THE LAST LINE ITEM WAS GARBAGE, GARBAGE COLLECTION. WELL, THEY COLLECT IT FOR JSD. THE M MSS D ALREADY HAS FOR THE CITY TRASH CANS DOWNTOWN THAT ARE SERVICE. ARE THOSE THE MSD PAYS FOR THOSE TRASH CANS? WELL, WE PURCHASED THEM, PURCHASED THEM. THE CITY OF NEW BERN WAS IN ESSENCE, BUT WE, THEY, WE DON'T FOR THE SERVICE OF THEM GETTING EMPTY. BUT THEY'RE STILL, THE CITY IS IN THAT TRASH BUSINESS. WELL, I MEAN YEAH, THEY, THEY DOES. IT'S SO CONVOLUTED. IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU OWN, IF YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO BUY YOUR OWN TRASH DUMPSTER AND THEN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, BILLS YOU TO PICK IT UP. , WHICH YOU PAY GFL FOR THE CONTAINER. I MEAN, IT'S CRAZY. ALL WELL, THE CITY DICTATES THAT GFL IS WHO YOU WILL USE. CORRECT. SO THE CITY IS IN THE TRASH BUSINESS, THEY JUST SUB IT OUT. YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S REALLY, THAT IS CORRECT. YOU COLLECT MONEY. YES. THE CUSTOMER SERVICE AT GFL HASN'T BEEN THE BEST. NO, IT'S NOT AT ALL SINCE I, THEY HAVE NO COMPETITION. BRING ME ANOTHER TRASH PERSON. WE NEED A METRO NET OF TRASH . IT'D BE MUCH CHEAPER THAN LAYING MINE. OKAY. SO I WAS TALKING TO, UH, FAULKENBERRY, TOM FAULKENBERRY THE OTHER DAY AND I SAID, HEY, HAVE YOU TALKED TO YOUR NEIGHBOR OVER THERE AT BAXTER'S ABOUT THE TRASH, TRASH SITUATION IN YOUR BACKYARDS? AND HE WAS LIKE, UH, NO, I HAVEN'T REALLY DONE THAT. I GO, WELL, WOULD, UM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER PARTNERING WITH HIM AND YOU KNOW, WITH WITH V AND FIGURING OUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU CAN MAKE THAT WORK BACK THERE ON THAT PROPERTY? AND HE SAID, NO, THERE'S TOO MANY CIGARETTE BUTTS OVER THERE. HMM. THAT WAS HIS DEAL. NO, I DON'T LIKE THE CIGARETTE BUTTS. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. SO IF WE HIRED SOMEONE TO PICK UP ALL OF THE NASTY TRASH, LIKE CIGARETTE BUTTS, WHATEVER, AND THAT WERE INCLUDED, I GET THE FEELING HE WOULD WORK WITH YOU ON THAT. SO THERE COULD BE, IT COULD BE DOABLE, BUT HE'S REALLY, HE JUST DOESN'T LIKE LOOKING AT CIGARETTE BUTTS. INTERESTING. WHEN IF WE GET TO HIRING SOMEONE TO DO CLEANUP, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE OVERWHELMING PROBLEM, UNDERSTANDABLY IS MONDAY MORNING. SO IF YOU HAD SOMEONE GO BY AT 6:00 AM MONDAY MORNING, YOU'VE PROBABLY GOT 80% OF THE ISSUE LIFT. PROBABLY. YEAH, BECAUSE IT IS, WELL, MONDAY MORNING IS WHEN THEY DO COME AND PICK UP THE TRASH. THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE VERY BUSY ON SATURDAYS AND IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE BY SUNDAY. AND THEN SOME OF THE STORES AND RESTAURANTS ARE OPEN ON SUNDAYS. LIKE YOUR TWO BIGGEST DAYS ARE UP SATURDAY. YEAH. YEAH. AND THAT, THAT IS THE ISSUE. AND THEY DON'T PICK UP ON SUNDAYS. SO THAT'S THE ISSUE. LOTS OF PROBLEMS. THIS ISN'T EASY KNOW. THE ONLY THING I THINK ABOUT, AND THIS IS AGAIN JUST ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE JUST DON'T POLICE THEIR OWN PROPERTY IF THAT'S HIS YEAH. SO WHY, WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT? YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FOR US VERSUS A GROUP THING. YEAH. FOR, YOU KNOW, WELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CLEANING UP PROPERTY. PROPERTY. I'M NOT, I THINK FOR TRASH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE COMING TOGETHER AND EVERYBODY HAS TO PAY THEIR WAY INTO THE TRASH. AND SOMETIMES IT'S CHEAPER TO DO THAT THAN FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL TO HAVE A DUMPSTER AND HAVE BIG CANDIDATES UNSIGHTLY. SO THIS IS A WAY TO KIND OF COMBINE THE EFFORTS. BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FALL OFF YOUR SIDEWALKS IN THE MORNING. IF TOM DOESN'T LIKE THE CIGARETTE BUTTS GET BACK THERE. [01:20:01] I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE THEM ANYWAY, BUT IT'S JUST A PART OF THEIR IN FRONT. NO, BECAUSE HE DID SCARE IT ON HIS PROPERTY. BUT WHEN, UM, I THINK HE'S HAD ISSUES IN THE PAST WITH, UH, COLLABORATING AND THEN, UH, WHOEVER HE IS COLLABORATED WITH, IT HASN'T WORKED OUT. AND THEN HE'S UPSET BECAUSE HE'S ENDING UP CLEANING IT. SO I THINK THAT'S BEEN HIS ISSUE. WELL WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM HIM ABOUT THAT, SO I'LL TALK TO HIM. YEAH. I JUST TALKED TO HIM BEFORE THE MEETING WAS LIKE, LET GET TOM, LET ME GO SEE TOM AND SEE, YOU KNOW, GET, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. HE'S RATHER A LOOSE. I KNOW. I'LL HAVE TO TRACK HIM. BELIEVE YOU ME, THAT MY WIFE AND I SAY ALL THE TIME. FLUNKED MIND READING AGAIN. . OKAY. GIVE, GIVE ME, GIVE ME SOME DIRECTION. WELL SABRINA, I KNOW YOU WANTED TO DO THESE. WELL WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT THING WE NEED TO GO TO. BUT MY POINT FOR, FOR SCORING AND, AND I AGREE WITH SCORING, IS A NICE WAY TO EVALUATE OPTIONS AND THEN ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WANT TO PRESENT IT TO DECISION MAKERS TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. DO YOU, DO WE, DO YOU FEEL WE NEED THAT IN TERMS OF, UM, SHOWING THE, THE ALDERMAN AND THE CITY OUR WORK PRODUCT? OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE WELL, YEAH, I THINK IT'S PART OF, YEAH, I THINK IT'S PART OF THE WHOLE PACKAGE. BECAUSE AGAIN, WE STILL HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO, BEFORE WE CAN GET TO THE DESIGNER AND LOOK AT AND YOU SAID, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. THIS IS THE INGRESS AND EGRESS, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND DESIGN. THIS IS WHERE WE WANT THE DRAFT. I THINK WE DO NEED TO, TO HAVE SOMETHING SOME WAY EITHER BY VOTE OR BY DIRECTION. BUT MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT, YOU WANT THE WORK PRODUCT OF SCORING IN ORDER TO SHOW THEM THAT WE'VE HAD FULL AND DELIBERATE DISCUSSION? OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH WHAT SOUNDS LIKE A CONSENSUS BRAND? YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I MEAN, WE HAVE A VIDEO TO SHOW THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD. WE'LL HAVE MINUTES. UH, YOU ALL CHIME IN ON ONE VOICE. I WOULD SAY GET RENTED UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. LIKE CLEAN IT UP AND THEN WE CAN PRESENT IT TO OURSELVES NEXT MEETING. YEAH. I THINK, I THINK FOCUSING ON THAT CONCEPT C OKAY. AND THEN, UM, AND THEN HAVE SOME DESIGN GUIDANCE, UM, NEXT MEETING. SO YEAH, WHEN YOU SAY DESIGN TO DO ANOTHER DESIGN GUIDANCE, TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT. AND SO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN, WELL THAT WE WANT TO, UM, THAT THAT PARKING IS IMPORTANT. DO WE WANT TO HAVE A, DO WE WANT TO INVITE SOMEBODY TO COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT THOSE KIND OF THINGS? OR DO WE TALK TO AUST AND SAY, CAN YOU PUT OUT AN RFP FOR A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT? AND YOU KNOW, IS THAT OUR NEXT STEPS? I WANT TO TRY TO SOMEWHAT GET THIS MOVED ALONG. 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN KICKING THIS CAN DOWN FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. LET'S GET SOME STEPS AT LEAST TO HAVE SOMETHING. I, YOU KNOW, MY, MY GOAL IS BY THE END OF THE YEAR, IT GIVES US SIX MONTHS. I WOULD THINK THAT DAVE'S DONE A GREAT JOB AND THERE'S BEEN GOOD INPUT HERE. AND IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PUT MORE TIME INTO IT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET A SECOND PIECE OF PIZZA. YEAH, I'LL BUY YOU HOME. YOU THAT DOING ANOTHER DRAFT WITH THESE COMMENTS INCORPORATED IN MY MIND THAT'S KIND OF LIKE HANDING THE OUTLINE YEAH. TO THE, TO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND SAYING, HERE'S THE OUTLINE AND YOU DO IT THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. YEAH. AND THEN, AND, AND THEN ALSO THINK SOME GUIDANCE ON, UM, RESEARCHING HOW MUCH, UM, CAPACITY WE NEED FOR TRASH. UM, IDENTIFYING THAT WE DO NEED SOME SORT OF AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE. UM, WHAT IS THE CIRCULATION? I MEAN, I'LL COME UP WITH SOME, SOME THINGS AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO PEPPER ME WITH I WITH IDEAS THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED ALSO. WELL, KAREN, DO YOU HAVE OR CAN YOU FIND IN THE FILE? I KNOW AGAIN, THEY DID, THEY COMPILED ALL THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT THIS RESTAURANT HAD A SO MANY TONGUE CONTAINER AND THEN ALL THE RESIDENTS, SO THEY HAD THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT WAS GOING SUPPOSEDLY SUPPOSED TO WORK INTO THAT BASED ON THE, THE USERS. AND AT LEAST LET'S NOT RECREATE THE WHEELS. WE DON'T HAVE TO. WE'VE GOT THAT INFORMATION. AND, AND, AND ALSO THE POINT THAT WE, WE DON'T WANT THE TRASH TO BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT AS IT OFTEN IS THAT OH YEAH, GOTTA DEAL WITH THIS. AND THEY JUST, THEY THROW A CHAIN LINK FENCE AND THINK EVERYTHING'S GOOD BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS GONNA, IT IS IN A CENTRAL LOCATION. IT IS GOING TO BE SEEN, BUT WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE NOTICED. YOU THE FIRST FOCAL POINT. IT'S A DUMPSTER TO THAT. IT'D BE NICE [01:25:01] TO HAVE THE CHUTE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE NORTH THING, WHICH IS NOT THE VIEW OF THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY. AND IT'S ALSO MORE ACCESSIBLE. I THINK MORGANS, I KNOW I WAS, UM, VISITING MY DAUGHTERS IN WILMINGTON. WE WENT OUT TO EAT SOMEWHERE AND THERE WAS A, A TRASH ENCLOSURE IN A PROMINENT PART OF A PARKING LOT. AND I DIDN'T, I HAD TO DO A DOUBLE TAKE. I WAS LIKE, OH, WOW. AND I WENT UP. I, I SHOULD TOOK SOME PICTURES. I, I TRASH OBSESSED PICTURE, FAMILY TRASH DUMP . YOUR, YOUR FAMILY'S GONNA DO AN INTERVENTION. , WAS IT JUST LIKE REALLY LANDSCAPE NICE AND YEAH, TREES AND, AND MASONRY. YOU BRICK. THAT WOULD LOOK GOOD. WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER. SPEND OUR MONEY IN MAKING THAT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND MAYBE LESS OF THE WALK. JUST GET A WALKWAY, LIKE I SAID WITH STACK CONCRETE OR SOMETHING. JUST BECAUSE THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT. AND I WANNA MAKE SURE IT HAS DEODORIZED OR STUFF. METAL CLOSET. THE, UM, PAVERS. YEAH. NOT THE PAV. IT'S BRICKS. IT'S ALL BRICKS. IT'D BE NICE TO BREAK THE SIDEWALK TOO IF WE'RE GONNA WIDEN THE SIDEWALK. BRICKS WOULD BE BRICK THE WHOLE WAY. IT WOULD BE, WELL WE COULD SELL THEN WE COULD SELL THE BRICKS NAMES ON IT. SELL IT WITH THEIR NAMES ON IT. GET THE MONEY BACK. . LET'S DO ANOTHER STORAGE. WHY NOT BRICK TRAIN STATION AND PUBLIC PROJECT. PUBLIC PROJECT. YOU KNOW, IT WAS, UM, WHEN WE DID UNION POINT PARK, IT WAS PUT YOUR MARK ON THE PARK. THAT WAS THE NAME OF IT. PUT YOUR MARK ON THE PARK AND MAYBE WE PUT YOUR CASH IN THE TRASH . I LOVE THAT. BUT I, THAT COULD BE, I, I MEAN PEOPLE, WE HAVE SO MANY NEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE MOVED INTO OUR COMMUNITY THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY LOVE TO DO THAT. PUT A LITTLE, IF IT'S AN ATTRACTIVE AREA. WELL, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU CAN LINE IT. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO TO UNION POINT AND LOOK, SEE HOW THEY DID ALL THOSE BRICKS. THE FIRE WAS, THIS MUSEUM DID THE SAME THING. WHAT'S THE LITTLE PARK ALONG THE RIVER? COUNCIL BLUFF? YEAH. THEY GOT THOSE YES. PAID FOR. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SIMULTANEOUS OR NOT, BUT YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS DONE AFTER UNION POINT WAS DONE. OKAY. BUT THEY SOLD BRICKS. THEY DID. THEY DID. MM-HMM. . AND THIS COULD ALL WORK GOOD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING TODAY, . YES. WE'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS. YES. OKAY. SO DO WE WANT TO BRING THIS TO OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE AUGUST, WHICH WOULD BE A REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING? OR DO WE WANNA HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP? THIS ANOTHER, ANOTHER WORKSHOP. OKAY, SO NEXT MONTH IN JULY. IS ANYBODY HERE? NEWBURG LOVES TO TRAVEL IN JULY. YEAH, IT'S ON A THURSDAY. HOW'S THE FOURTH WORK? EVERYBODY? . I'M CLOSED THAT DAY. UM, LET'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THE 20TH. I MEAN LIKE THE WEEK OF THE 22ND. SOMEWHERE IN THERE. THE 18TH. ARE YOU GONE THE 25TH? I'LL BE OUT, DOWN THE, OKAY. 24TH. THE, OKAY. WHAT ABOUT JULY 18TH? THURSDAY, JULY 18TH. I'M GONE. YOU'RE GONE. I'M TWO WEEKS. I'M SORRY. HOW DARE YOU. WHEN'S NEXT? UH, WHEN'S THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING? I FORGOT. IT IS AUGUST. UH, AUGUST 20TH. YEAH. AUGUST T WHAT ABOUT THE VERY LAST WEEK OF JULY 29, 30 OR 31? WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE SECOND WEEK? THE 11TH? AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT TIME PRESSURE ON DAVE, BUT THAT'S STILL LIKE FOUR WEEKS AWAY, THREE WEEKS AWAY. THE 11TH OF JULY. I CAN'T, JULY IS SUCH, IT REALLY IS HARD. HOW CAN WE DO THAT LAST WEEK? I DON'T MIND THAT LAST WEEKEND. 29, 30 OR 31. I'LL BE OUT THAT WHOLE WEEK. YOU'RE OUT JULY TO MICHIGAN WITH TWO KIDS. OH LORD. FIRST ROAD TRIP. ARE WE THERE? ARE WE THERE YET? ARE WE THERE YET? ARE WE THERE YET? WE HAVE A D PLAYER IN THE CAR. KIDS. BENA DRILL TWO AND FOUR. WELL, DO WE JUST, JUST PICK A DAY AND WE JUST COME INTO THE FIRST WEEK IN AUGUST AND WE JUST HAVE TWO MEETINGS IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST. WE CAN BRING SOMETHING TO THE REGULAR MEETING. DO WE, YOU KNOW SOMETHING? I'M JUST THINKING IT'D BE NICE IF THAT AFTER OUR NEXT WORK SESSION, I'M ASSUMING WE CAN DO LIKE THE RFP FOR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OR SOMETHING. WELL, WE WOULD HAVE TO FOSTER WOULD HAVE TO ADVISE. I'M NOT SURE ON THAT [01:30:01] PROCESS. MAKE THAT TASK. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO IF WE WANT TO, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST. DOES THAT, IS EVERYBODY PRETTY GOOD THAT FIRST WEEK IN AUGUST? I, I'LL BE OUTTA TOWN FROM AUGUST 1ST, 10TH. I'M STILL ON THE TRIP THAT OH, YOU'RE STILL ON THE TRIP? OKAY. SO I'LL JUST WHATEVER. , THEN DAVE IS HERE. WORK SESSION. WE COULD DO AUGUST 12TH AND THEN WE HAD THE REGULAR MEETING ON THE 20TH TOO CLOSE. AUGUST 12TH. THE 12TH. THAT'S IT'S A MONDAY. THAT'S ON ME. MONDAY'S A GOOD DAY FOR ME FOR MEETINGS. MONDAY. MONDAY, AUGUST 12TH. EVERYBODY GOOD? MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO, UM, OUR NEXT WORKSHOP, WE WANNA MAKE SURE OUR WORKSHOP WILL BE, UH, MONDAY, AUGUST THE 12TH. CAN I HAVE SOMEBODY JUST TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT PLEASE? DO YOU HAVE A TIME? 12:00 PM I MOVE THAT WE HAVE OUR NEXT MSD WORK SESSION. MONDAY, AUGUST 12TH AT NOON, SIR. AYE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANYBODY OPPOSED? OKAY. SO IT'S AUGUST 12TH AT 12 NOON. OKAY. UM, LET'S ALL OF US THANK NIKKI FOR THANK DAVE FOR, FOR HIS WORK. UM, ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? FEEL FREE TO CALL DAVE, CALL ME, WHATEVER WE DO TO HELP. UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, QUICK BECAUSE WE ARE THE MSD, JUST TO UPDATE REALLY QUICK. YOU KNOW, WE GOT NEW THINGS HAPPENING IN DOWNTOWN AND WE ASK THAT PEOPLE JUST GO BY. WE WANNA, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST PUT A PAT ON THE BACK TO REY MCGOVERN AND LAURA FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE AT THE SOUTH STREET. SO IS IT, IT'S SOUTH FRONT STREET, FRONT STREET GRILL. YEAH. AND YOU GO THE RESTAURANT NOW AND HEARING GREAT THINGS ABOUT IT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, TO WALK IN AND SAY, HEY, THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, THAT PROPERTY REALLY ISN'T AN MSD, BUT IT'S SUCH A BOOM TO DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW. UM, WE'VE GOT WINE IN DESIGN COMING INTO THE OLD NAUGHTY PAWS. WE WANNA, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE STARTED. THEY'LL START SOON. HELLO. THANK YOU. PINKY HAS GONE DOWNSTAIRS. HELLO. THANK YOU. THE NEW, THE NEW OWNERS AT THE CHELSEA. YOU KNOW, JUST, I, SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WELCOMING MAN, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S IT'S GOOD BUSINESS FOR US. IT REALLY IS. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE LIFELINE OF, OF DOWNTOWN DENVER. SO, SO, SO WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH CHRIS'S SEAT? CHRIS'S SEAT? THAT IT WILL BE A REST. IT HAS TO BE A RESTAURATEUR. OKAY. AND I, I ASSUME THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN WILL ADDRESS THAT. Y'ALL ARE, SO YOU SAID THE BAR DOESN'T, RICK, YOU'RE WORKING ON BUILDING THAT CHAIR. IS THAT HAPPENING? UH, SORRY. FOR, FOR, UH, CHRIS BECAUSE HE SOLD TO CHELSEA. HE, UM, HE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM, I DON'T KNOW, WAS FOSTER CITY. FOSTER JUST MENTIONED THAT. YEAH. UM, WE DID RECEIVE THIS LETTER OF RESIGNATION. RIGHT. SO, UM, I THINK I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER FOSTER IS GONNA BRING IT UP TUESDAY NIGHT, BUT IN MAY. UM, SO WITHIN ONE OR TWO MEETINGS, I THINK THE BOARD WILL TAKE ACTION. FILL OUT MAY BE, THEY'LL GO BACK TO THE, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER RESTAURANTS THAT HAD ALREADY APPLIED. OH, OKAY. IT HAS TO RE I MEAN THE RESTAURANT, CHRIS WOULD COME BACK. THERE YOU GO. BUT HE HAD TO HAVE HIS PROPERTY DOESN. HE'S NOT A PROPERTY OWNER. NO, HE, HE, THAT'S BUSINESS. BUT HE DOES NOT RUIN THE BUILDING. OR HE SIGNED HE COULD LAUGHTER YES HE COULD. THAT'S RIGHT. HE WOULDN'T HAVE ONE, UH, TWO FROM THE SAME PROPERTY. 'CAUSE TYLER, UH, MIGHT BE CLOSE. YEAH, I DON'T WANT TWO FROM THE SAME PROPERTY. YEAH. I DON'T EVEN DIFFERENT. I DON'T, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. DO YOU WANNA MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT? ? I HAVE A QUESTION. AT A RECENT MEETING, THE MAYOR SAID THE PARKING LOT ON SOUTH FRONT AND HANCOCK STREET, UH, PROPERTY, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THOSE PEOPLE THEY BROUGHT IN WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT FOR A PARKING LOT. WELL, THEY HAVEN'T, BUT THERE'S BEEN NO INFORMATION PUT OUT ON WHAT THEY DID. THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING YET. PARDON? THEY HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE REPORTS YET. IT'S COMING. IT'S COMING. IT'S COMING. IT'S NOT BEEN OUT PUBLISHED. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. OKAY, SO IT'S NOT HERE YET. NO. COMPILING IT. HE SAID HE EXPECTS IT IN A COUPLE WEEKS. I SPOKE WITH HIM, NO. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. WHY WE HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING YET. , THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. OKAY. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.