[I. CALL TO ORDER]
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I HAD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE THURSDAY, JUNE 27TH, 2004, MEETING OF THE NEW BERN BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
AND WOULD LIKE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? YES, SIR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, BOARD MEMBER SANDRA GRAY.
PRESENT BOARD MEMBER? KATHLEEN MARTY.
BOARD MEMBER BARBARA SAMPSON HERE AND BOARD MEMBER BRENDAN LOFTON.
WE DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
WE HAVE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
AN INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[IV. CHAIRMAN’S REMARKS]
WE MOVE ON WITH THE MEETING, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT'S FOR THE OAKS ROAD PROJECT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE AGENDA PRETTY LATE.JUST IN CASE ANYBODY IS WE CAN.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, PLEASE EVERYBODY REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING AND AS WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS AND TALK, THE BOARD IS ONLY ALLOWED TO CONSIDER FACT.
WE TRY TO KEEP A MOTION OUT OF THINGS AS BEST AS POSSIBLE AND WE ARE GONNA ALLOW EVERYBODY TO SPEAK.
UH, WE DO HAVE A TIMER THAT WE TRY TO LIMIT TIME TO.
UM, AND IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT NEEDS TO SIGN UP THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE SIGNUP SHEET SO THAT WE CAN USE IT TO CALL FOLKS AHEAD.
WE'LL LIMIT IT TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND WE DO LET FOLKS MOVE OVER A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND IT'S OUR POLICY THAT EVERY ONCE THE PRESENTATION IS DONE, UM, BY THE APPLICANT, THAT WE WILL CALL FOR FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE TO COME UP AND SPEAK.
AND ONCE THE THE AUDIENCE FINISHES THEIR TALKS, WE'LL SAY, UM, WE THEN WILL GIVE THE APPLICANT AN THE OPTION IF THEY SO DESIRE TO FINALIZE COMMENTS WITH A REBUTTAL.
AND I THINK I'VE COMPLETED THE COMMENTS AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD TO
[V. DECISION(S)]
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH WOULD BE THE DECISIONS FROM THE LAST MEETING THAT CABINS IN CASE MULTIPLE RESIDENTS.UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION IN REFERENCE TO, WELL I GUESS IT'S ACTUALLY TWO MEETINGS AGO, UM, IN REFERENCE TO OUR DECISION, NO.
SO CAN WE CALL FOR A VOTE OF ACCEPTANCE? YOU NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE WRITTEN DECISION.
SO ARE THERE ANY PRESENTERS THAT ARE GONNA COME FORWARD THIS EVENING? SO WE NEED TO SWEAR Y'ALL IN ALL THREE IF ANYONE'S GONNA SPEAK, THEY NEED TO COME FORWARD, STAND AND GET SWORN IN.
SO I'VE GOT, IF THERE, DO Y'ALL SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD, YOUR HONOR.
ALRIGHT, SO DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY STAFF? YES SIR.
AND, UH, I'M JUST GONNA START WITH ALSO SAYING, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT THE SECOND ITEM THAT WAS SCHEDULED ON THE AGENDA WILL NOT BE PRESENTED TONIGHT.
THIS ITEM ESSENTIALLY WAS, UH, NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THIS WAS CONFIRMED WITH COUNSEL, UM, AND WE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT.
THEY'VE BEEN NOTIFIED AND MADE SURE TO, UH, RECEIVE AN EXPLANATION ON GOING FORWARD.
SO THEIR UH, USE HAS BEEN PERMITTED BY, RIGHT, ACTUALLY BY A DIFFERENCE OF USE.
IT DID NOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU FOR THEIR DESCRIPTION.
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ALL RIGHT, AND MR.[VI. SPECIAL USE APPLICATION(S)]
CHAIRMAN, AND GOOD EVENING TO THE BOARD AND MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE FIRST ITEM HERE, WHICH IS THE CHICK-FIL-A PARKING LOT.AND THAT IS SPECIAL USE PERMIT 0 0 2 9 0 1.
THE LOCATION, UM, CONFIRMED ON THE APPLICATION WAS 2,900 ML KING JR BOULEVARD, NEWBURN, NORTH CAROLINA.
THE PROPOSED USE IS A AUTOMOBILE PARKING GARAGE, GARAGES, OR PARKING LOTS NOT LOCATED ON A LOT ON WHICH THERE IS ANOTHER PRINCIPLE USE TO WHICH THE PARKING IS RELATED, BUT IN ESSENCE IT'S A PARKING LOT ON THE LOT THAT IS, IT HAS NO ACTUAL STRUCTURE, BUT IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE PRIMARY, UM, PROPERTY, WHICH HAS THE PRINCIPAL ABUSE.
AND THE REQUEST SUMMARY HERE, THE APPLICANT IS KIM RICKMAN AND THE OWNERS FOR THE PROPERTY IS HS NEWBURN OUT PARCELS, LLC.
THE TOTAL AREA, UH, IS 26 ACRES AND THE PARCEL IDENTIFICATION NUMBER IS EIGHT DASH 2 1 2 1 9 0 1.
THE ZONING DISTRICT IS COMMERCIAL THREE FOR C3.
AND HERE IS THE FIRST MAP, UM, SHOWN ON THE, UH, FOR THE VICINITY AND IT SHOWS THE, THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARCEL.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE PARKING LOT DOES NOT TAKE UP THE ENTIRE PARCEL.
KENRY, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE? YES SIR.
SO THIS IS SHOWING 26 ACRES, BUT FOR THE MOST PART I CAN SEE THE PAPERWORK SHOWING 0.26 ACRES.
UM, IT'S PRETTY MUCH A, IT, WE HAVE TO TAKE THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARCEL, BUT THE ACTUAL SUBJECT AREA FOR THE PARKING LOT IS MUCH SMALLER THAN THE TOTALITY.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST THE VICINITY MAP SHOWING THE ENTIRETY FOR THE PARCEL, UM, AND FOLLOWED BY THE AERIAL, UH, FOR THE PARCEL AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS YELLOW COLOR.
AND LASTLY, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, SECOND TO LAST, THE ZONING MAP HERE, WE HIGHLIGHTED THE PARCEL IN YELLOW 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME CONFLICT WITH THE RED.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF THE YELLOW, THAT'S THE SHOWING THE, UH, PARCEL, THE ZONING BEHIND IT IS THE CC DASH THREE.
AND LASTLY, THE BUFFER MAP, WHICH SHOWS YOU ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT FELL WITHIN THAT A HUNDRED FOOT, UH, RANGE, WHICH WERE NOTIFIED PROPERLY.
AND AGAIN, IN YOUR PACKETS YOU'LL SEE THAT THE NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT AND ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION, UM, THIS IS JUST TO CONFIRM BY STAFF GIVES CONFIRMATION THAT THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED WAS NEEDED TO BE COMPLETE.
AND ALSO STAFF CAN CONFIRM THAT THE REQUEST IS WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION IN ACCORDANCE TO THE TABLE OF ADMISSIBLE USES.
AND LASTLY HERE IS THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL SITE PLAN.
AND MR. THOMPSON, THIS IS PROBABLY GIVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AS WELL FOR JUST THAT SITUATION, UM, BUT TO SHOW WHAT, UH, THE EXACT, I GUESS, PORTION VERSUS THE ENTIRE PARCEL IS BEING USED.
AND IF THE BOARD HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE THOSE AT THIS TIME.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WHERE IS THE DENTAL CLINIC IN RELATIONSHIP TO THIS? SO THE DENTAL CLINIC IS ACTUALLY RIGHT IN BETWEEN.
UM, IT'S FURTHER SOUTH OF WHERE YOU SEE THE PARKING LOT HERE.
UM, AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY, OF COURSE THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED, BUT I'LL PROBABLY LET THE APPLICANT ELABORATE MORE IF I'M CATCHING WHERE YOU'RE GOING AS FAR AS FOR HOW THAT KIND OF OKAY.
BUT YEAH, IT'S TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PARKING LOT.
SO THAT'S THE ONE AREA THAT'S NOT SHADED IN GREEN, I'M ASSUMING? UH, YES, IT, IT, YES, ABSOLUTELY.
IS THE, UM, PARKING LOT, IS THE PARKING LOT, IS IT GONNA BE LOCATED, UH, ANYWHERE NEAR THE, UH, BY THE MALL? THEY GONNA TAKE A VENDOR SPACES BY THE MALL.
SO I BELIEVE THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE MALL OR THE OWNER ESSENTIALLY.
I BELIEVE THAT HS OUT PARCELS IS PART OF THAT.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO GIVE THE AUTHORIZATION FOR THAT TO TAKE PLACE.
SO IT IS IN, IT'S IN PROXIMITY WITH THE MALL.
IT'S VERY CLOSE BY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
IT'S, I MEAN YOU COULD LITERALLY WALK TO THE MALL FROM WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE TOTAL SIZE OF THAT PARCEL IS 2.54 ACRES.
AND KENDRICK, I JUST DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY.
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I DID REVIEW THE PACKET, HOWEVER, AS FAR AS THE UM, ROAD THERE, I SEE IT'S CALLED NEW BERN MALL DRIVE OR SOMETHING OF THAT DEGREE.IS THAT A, IS THAT A CITY MAINTAIN STREET OR IS THAT A PRIVATE ROAD? I WISH I COULD CONFIRM.
UM, I PROBABLY HAVE TO DEFER TO PUBLIC WORKS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE SPECIFICALLY TO, UM, TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT THEY DIDN'T DISPLAY OR DISCUSS ANYTHING THROUGH OF DRC COMMENTS.
I CAN ASSUME IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE CITY MAINTAINED.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SIR.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NOT YET.
SO IS, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND DISCUSS THE PROJECT? AND, AND ALSO MAYBE Y'ALL COULD HELP ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WHO OWNS THE STREET.
UH, I WANNA TALK ABOUT PARKING LOT.
I'M WITH THE INTER PLAN, I'M WITH THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT IS, UH, CAN YOU MOVE THE MIC YES.
SO WE CAN HEAR A LITTLE BETTER.
UM, WITH THE ENGINEERING FIRM, UH, DESIGNING THIS PROJECT, SO THIS PARKING LOT IS, UH, IT'S GONNA BE PART OF A, A MASTER, NOT A, NOT A MASTER PLAN.
THE, WE'RE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEM ALL.
UH, THEY ARE ALSO GOING TO BE DEVELOPING THAT AREA AS WELL.
IT WILL BE A PART OF A LARGER PARKING AREA AND FUTURE STORES.
UH, HOWEVER, WE'RE DEDICATING THIS SPACE FOR CHICK-FIL-A'S USE.
SO OUR EMPLOYEES CAN PARK THERE AND WE CAN UTILIZE THE ONSITE PARKING FOR CUSTOMERS.
AND THAT IS, UH, GENERALLY WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.
BUT IT WILL BE PART OF MORE PARKING LOT AREA THAT DOESN'T NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT
SO THERE WILL BE A PRINCIPAL BUILDING, BUT SINCE THIS IS FAR SOLD OUT FOR LEASING, THAT'S GENERALLY THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING.
UM, BUT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH, WELL, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE SITE PLAN FOR LANDSCAPING, ET CETERA.
UM, SO WHEN DO YOU HAVE THE LANDSCAPING MOVES ON? WILL Y'ALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR LANDSCAPING AROUND THE ENTIRE PARCEL OR JUST AROUND THE 0.26 ACRE PARCEL? JUST OURS.
UH, SO WE, UH, WE WILL BE IRRIGATING, UH, MAINTAINING THE LANDSCAPE VIOLINS ON OUR SECTION, BUT WE PROBABLY WILL WORK WITH THEM ALL SO THAT IT GETS A LITTLE SMOOTHER WITH THE REST OF THE AREA.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MENTIONING THE, UM, ISLANDS THAT ARE REQUIRED ONE PER EVERY 10 PARKING SPACES.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? LANDSCAPING? CORRECT, YES.
EVEN THOUGH WE'RE, WE'RE CORNERED OUT, WE'RE STILL, UH, COMPLYING WITH.
I JUST HAVE A PLACE THAT I KNOW YOU CAN, UH, COME OFF MLKI KNOW YOU TAKE A RIGHT AND I KNOW THAT THEY HAD A SUITE GOING THIS WAY AND IT HAD ONE GOING THIS WAY OR THEY GOING TO CUT EITHER ONE OF THOSE STREETS OR ALL, YOU KNOW, OR IT'S GONNA STILL BE GOING THIS WAY, THAT WAY.
I BELIEVE IT'S STILL GONNA GO THE TWO WAYS.
UM, YEAH, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE ANY PLANS ON CHANGING THAT, BUT I, I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT'LL STILL, THE ENTRANCE WILL MAINTAIN, UH, THE EXISTING PEOPLE CAN TURN RIGHT.
GO TOWARDS THE CHICK-FIL-A AND THIS, UM, THIS PARKING AREA AND THEN THE DENTAL PRACTICE OR LEFT OF THE CHIPOTLE.
SO THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE CHICK-FIL-A WILL ACTUALLY BE IN THE SAME LOCATION.
IT WAS JUST A DIFFERENT BUILDING.
AND THE ROAD WILL CONTINUE PAST.
THE, THE CHICK-FIL-A IS GOING, SORRY, REALLY CLOSE.
THE CHICK-FIL-A IS GOING RIGHT, RIGHT BACK IN THE SAME SPOT.
AND THEN, AND THAT, UH, MALL DRIVE THAT WE WE'RE ASKING ABOUT WILL CONTINUE ON IN FRONT OF THE NEW BUILDING OVER TO THE PARKING GARAGE.
IT IS THE PARKING, I THINK YOU SAID THIS, BUT IS THE PARKING LOT FOR CUSTOMER AND EMPLOYEE USE, OR IS IT ONLY GONNA BE FOR CUSTOMER OR ONLY FOR EMPLOYEE USE? SO THAT ONSITE'S FOR CUSTOMER OR, UH, IT'LL BE FOR BOTH.
UH, I MEAN WE JUST ASSUME IT'LL MOSTLY BE EMPLOYEES.
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WILL BE A, UM, MARK CLUB CROSSWALK PASSING THROUGH.UH, AND WE ARE PROVIDING A, A SIDEWALK ON THE PARCEL THAT WE'RE LEASING.
WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO PLACE THE SIDEWALK ELSEWHERE.
AND THEN ONCE IT, UM, ONCE THEY DO PASS THROUGH ONTO THE CHICK-FIL-A PROPERTY, THEY WILL BE BACK ONTO CONCRETE AREA INTO A RAMP WALKING INTO THE CHICK-FIL-A OKAY.
SO THAT WAS REALLY MY, MY QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THE ROAD.
UM, IT, ONE OF THESE MAPS THAT'S IN HERE HAS LIKE A, A, A BUBBLE ON IT AND IT LOOKS LIKE A SIDEWALK.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS PROJECT IS WHERE THE SIDEWALK WILL LEAD FROM THE CHICK-FIL-A BUILDING TO THE PARKING LOT.
SO YOU'RE NOT PUTTING A SIDEWALK ON THE MLK SIDE OF THIS FACILITY, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THE PARKING LOT OUT PARCEL DOES NOT FRONT MLK.
UM, YEAH, AND I KNOW THAT'S THE PART IN QUESTION, SO I APOLOGIZE.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE NEEDED TO PUT, THERE WAS A, A SIDEWALK ON THE CHICK-FIL-A PARCEL.
HANG ON ONE, HANG ON JUST ONE SECOND.
WE NEED TO GET, LET, LET HER FINISH AND THEN WE'LL GET YOU TO COME UP SO WE CAN GET YOUR NAME AND EVERYBODY CAN HEAR TOO.
I ONLY HAVE THE PARKING LOT PLANS IN FRONT OF ME, NOT THE TABLE.
THAT'S, I CAN RECALL THAT'S, THAT'S A CURVE BALL.
I'M SORRY, I JUST, I WAS TRYING TO BETTER UNDERSTAND.
BUT SO THERE IS GOING TO BE JUST A PAVED WALKWAY BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THE CHICK-FIL-A YES PARCEL.
SO KENDRICK, ARE YOU ABLE TO PUT UP A MAP THAT'S GOT C 2.0 DOWN AT THE, IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER ON THE SCREEN? I CAN TRY TO SEE IT'S MAYBE TWO PAGES PAST WHERE WE'RE AT.
I'LL SEE IF I CAN DO, I THINK THIS ONE INDICATES IT HERE.
IF YOU LOOK VERY CLOSELY, THERE'S SOME, IT'S WE TALKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK THAT'S ON THE CHICK-FIL-A PARCEL THAT ISN'T PART OF THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTINUITY BETWEEN THE TWO.
UM, AND, AND IT LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THESE MAPS LEADS TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A SIDEWALK THAT WILL BE PAVED OR IS, WHAT'S THE ACCESSIBILITY BETWEEN THE TWO PARCELS? I HAVE A PRINTOUT OF THAT IF YOU WANT ME TO WALK IT UP AGAIN.
I GUESS WE COULD PASS IT AROUND A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
I, I, I'D START DOWN ON THAT END.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, MR. STANTON, IF YOU COULD GIVE THE CAPTION FOR THE, THE MAP THAT'S GOING AROUND SO WE CAN HAVE THAT IN THE RECORD.
WE'LL CHECK, WE'LL READ IT, WE'LL READ IT IN A MINUTE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION REAL, REAL QUICK WHILE WE'RE PASSING THAT ALONG REAL QUICK, JUST FOR THE, JUST FOR THE RECORD, WHAT THE, UM, APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION IS A SITE CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT, SPECIFICALLY THE SITE PLAN C DASH 2.0 OF.
YEAH, I THINK IS THAT SUFFICIENT FOR YOU, MS. BULLOCK? YES, SIR.
YOU GOOD? YEAH, KATHLEEN, UH, IS THERE A BARRIER OR SOME DESIGNATION BETWEEN THE NEW PARKING LOT AND WHAT I ASSUME IS THE CURRENT PARKING LOT FOR THE DENTAL OFFICE? UH, THERE IS SOME LANDSCAPING THAT IS SEPARATING BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S MORE JUST THEIR DRIVEWAY THROAT.
UM, SO YES, THERE IS, THERE IS SOME BARRIER.
WOULD THAT BE THE WHAT I WAS WHAT THIS WHAT SEVEN A IS AND NOW I NEED TO GIVE IT BACK TO YOU SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT SEVEN A IS.
YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S STANDARD CURB AND GUTTER.
I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, UP IN THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER.
UH, IT'S SO SMALL I CAN'T READ IT.
WHAT THAT, WHAT IS THAT DEN SAYS? OH YES.
AS WELL AS A UH, UH, STORM DRAIN THIS A WHAT? A STORM DRAIN AS WELL.
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SINCE I CAN SEE THAT LEGEND A LITTLE BIT BETTER, IT 12 WAS THE ITEM IN QUESTION ON YOUR MAP THERE.SO WHICH SETS CONCRETE SIDEWALK.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CLARIFICATION.
IS THE PARKING I, IS THE PARKING LOT GOING TO BE LEASED TO CHICK-FIL-A FOR CHICK-FIL-A PARKING OR IS IT GOING TO BE JUST OPEN GENERAL FOR CHICK-FIL-A THE DENTIST PRACTICE, MAYBE MORE DEVELOPMENT DOWN THE ROAD.
IT'S GOING TO BE LEASED FOR CHICK-FIL-A UM, BUT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE INDICATION THAT IT'S ONLY CHICK-FIL-A UH, IT'S GONNA BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE REST OF THE PARKING AREA THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT.
SO IF IT PEOPLE CROSS OVER, IT'S OKAY.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? NO, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, I'M TRYING TO GET STRAIGHT ABOUT THIS.
I KNOW, I KNOW, LIKE I SAID, COMING OFF MLK GOT ONE GOING TO THIS, RIGHT? AND YOU GOT ONE GOING TO THE LEFT AND YOU REMEMBER ON THE OTHER SIDE THEY GOT TRAFFIC COMING FROM THAT WAY.
IF THEY GOING TO CUT THAT LITTLE, THAT PART OFF AND REROUTE IT OR SOMETHING BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S GONNA BE A BUSY LITTLE AREA.
YEAH, THEY ARE, THEY ARE WORKING ON ANOTHER PROJECT TO KIND OF CONFINE THAT, THAT ROAD.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU'RE DRIVING, I KNOW I WAS OUT THERE TODAY, GO ANYWHERE
SO IS, WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY THAT Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO EASE THE TRAFFIC CHALLENGES THAT THERE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, I GUESS? YEAH.
AND, AND THAT'S THE INTENTION OF, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE, THE CHICK-FIL-A PARCEL IS SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN MORE CARS ON SITE WITH THIS NEW DESIGN.
AND THAT WAY IT'S NOT BACKING UP INTO THE SHOPPING MALL NOR OUT ONTO MARTIN LUTHER KING, I GUESS, EITHER.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, AND FORGIVE ME IF YOU'VE ALREADY SAID THIS, YOU'RE WITH THE, THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT'S PUTTING TOGETHER THIS PROJECT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
COULD YOU JUST BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT YOUR CREDENTIALS? EDUCATION, UH, PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND FOR THE, JUST FOR THE RECORD.
WE ARE, UM, LICENSED IN ALL 50 STATES.
UH, CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRM I'VE BEEN WITH FOR EIGHT YEARS.
WENT TO UCF GO KNIGHTS IN, UH, FLORIDA.
I'M NOT GOOD ABOUT TALKING ABOUT MYSELF.
SO, AND, AND, AND THE TYPE OF WORK I'M THE, I'M THE PERMIT MANAGER.
UH, AND THIS TYPE OF PROJECT IS OF THE SIMILAR TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT YOU AND YOUR FIRM HAVE, HAVE DONE FOR COMMERCIAL CLIENTS, RIGHT? YES.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU.
AND THEN I, I KNOW WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL PERSON WHO WAS GONNA COME FORWARD AND SPEAK, SO FEEL FREE TO COME UP AND NAME AND ADDRESS AND CREDENTIALS AND WE CAN KIND OF GO FROM THERE.
I'M THE DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR THE PROJECT.
I WORK FOR, UM, CHICK-FIL-A I'M A CONSULTANT WITH CHICK-FIL-A, UM, AND I AM HELPING WITH THE ONSITE PROJECT AS WELL.
UH, THERE WAS A SIDEWALK THAT WAS ALONG MLK, BUT BECAUSE THERE WERE NO SIDEWALKS ON THE ADJOINING PARCELS, I THINK WE PAID INTO A SIDEWALK BANK FOR FUTURE CONSTRUCTION.
UM, AND THE SHOPPING CENTER IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON A PROJECT TO REALIGN THEIR SHOPPING CENTER ROAD, WHICH IS HOW WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE THE CURB LINE FOR THE CHICK-FIL-A TO MAXIMIZE THAT SPACE.
UM, AND THEY SHOULD BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION ON THEIR ROADWAY IN JULY.
WE HAVE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THEM ALONG THE WAY.
SO, UM, AND THEN THIS PIECE OF THE PARKING LOT, THEY, IT'S A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T THINK THEY'VE IDENTIFIED A TENANT, BUT THEY DID LEASE THESE SPACES TO CHICK-FIL-A FOR THEIR USE.
UM, THE SURROUNDING PARCELS OF THIS PARKING LOT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE THERE? WHAT'S THE CHARACTER OF THAT? I, I DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE LAYOUT OF HOW THEY LOOK, BUT IT'S SIMILAR TO HOW THE OUT PARCELS ALONG MLK LOOK.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A STARBUCKS, THE CHICK-FIL-A THE ASPEN DENTAL.
SO I THINK THEIR PLAN IS TO DO SIMILAR TYPE OUT PARCEL, UH, ALONG THE ADJACENT, ADJACENT VACANT LAND THERE.
UH, AND IN THE TYPE OF WORK THAT YOU DO
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WITH THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT, IS THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE, YOU DO THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS FOR YOUR, YOUR BUSINESS? I DO.I WORK, UM, FOR CHICK-FIL-A SO I'M ON THE ACCOUNT.
UM, THIS IS MY 56TH STORE, UM, AND I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER.
UH, SO I HAVE BEEN HELPING REVIEW THE PLANS ALONG THE WAY AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE OPERATOR.
UM, WE HAVE A NEW OPERATOR AT THIS STORE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? BUT, UM, SO YEAH, I, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ABOUT THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
UH, DO YOU HAVE, UH, ANY EVIDENCE FROM THIS PROJECT THAT THIS PARKING LOT IS GOING TO SOMEHOW INJURE THE ECONOMIC VALUE OF THE SURROUNDING PARCELS? I DO NOT BELIEVE SO.
UH, THIS PARKING WAS GOING TO BE BUILT AS PART OF THE FULL, I THINK IT IS FIVE OR SEVEN ACRE PIECE.
SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF BEATING THAT DEVELOPMENT TO THE PERMIT BY BUILDING THESE, UM, PARKING SPACES SO THAT THE TEAM MEMBERS HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO PARK.
UM, AND THEN THIS WILL ALSO HELP KEEP OUR, UH, TEAM MEMBERS FROM PARKING IN THE BELT PARKING LOT.
SO WE HAVE DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES FOR THE TEAM MEMBERS, WHICH THAT BELT PARKING LOT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE WAY.
SO THIS IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER PARKING LOTS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA, RIGHT? YES.
YOU DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? NO.
UH, MR. RUN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ALSO? AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CREDENTIALS? GOOD EVENING.
I, UH, THE NEW, UH, FRANCHISEE OR OPERATOR AT THE CHICK-FIL-A HERE IN NEW BERN.
UH, HAVE BEEN IN TOWN FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS.
MOVED UP FROM CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA.
I BEGAN WORKING WITH FORD CHICK-FIL-A IN 2002 AS A TEAM MEMBER, AND THEN BECAME AN OPERATOR IN 2005.
AND INITIALLY I WAS AN OPERATOR IN THE UPSTATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND THEN DOWN IN CHARLESTON.
UM, SO MY FAMILY AND I HAVE MOVED UP HERE FROM THE CHARLESTON AREA.
MY WIFE'S FROM RALEIGH AND MY WIFE'S GRANDMOTHER GREW UP HERE IN NEWBURN.
AND WE WANTED, WE LOVED IT UP HERE.
AND WHEN TOM PIPE, THE FORMER OPERATOR RETIRED, UH, I WENT THROUGH A PROCESS TO BASICALLY BE SELECTED TO TAKE FILL IN FOR HIM WHEN HE LEFT.
UM, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US ABOUT THE PROJECT.
BUT, UM, MS. SAMPSON, IS THAT CORRECT? SAMSON? YES.
UH, THE INTENTION OF THE OVERALL PROJECT IS, UH, FIRST OFF, UH, I, MY VISION FOR MY RESTAURANT IS TO NOURISH, SERVE AND TRANSFORM OUR TEAM AND COMMUNITY.
AND MY HOPE IS THE PROJECT FOR MY TEAM MEMBERS WILL BE A BETTER, SAFER WORKING ENVIRONMENT AND TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE FLOW AT THE, UH, CORNER THERE OF MLK AND OUR, OUR RESTAURANT, I KNOW THAT IT IS CONGESTED AND HAS CREATED TRAFFIC, UH, FLOW PROBLEMS. AND, UH, SO THE HOPE WITH THIS PARKING LOT FOR OUR TEAM MEMBERS IS THEY HAVE A SAFE SPACE TO PARK, BUT ALSO CREATE A BETTER FLOW THROUGH.
UH, WE'VE IMPROVED OUR DRIVE-THROUGHS STACK IN THIS PROJECT.
AND SO ULTIMATELY JUST, JUST FROM A FACILITY STANDPOINT, WE'RE ABLE TO PULL A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MORE CARS ON THE LOT, AND THEN IT ALLOWS US TO UTILIZE OUR PEOPLE AND SYSTEMS TO, TO GET THE CARS THROUGH IN A SMOOTHER, UH, QUICKER FASHION.
UH, THE CANOPIES AND COOLING SYSTEMS AND STUFF THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN WILL MAKE A, A BETTER WORKING ENVIRONMENT.
AND ACTUALLY THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING IN THE KITCHEN AND ALL THOSE SPACES ARE REALLY SO WE CAN IMPROVE THE FLOW.
UH, IN MY MIND, THIS PARKING ALLOWS ME TO, LIKE I SAID, GIVE MY TEAM MEMBERS THIS SPACE FOR THEM TO PARK.
IT WILL OPEN UP SPOTS ON THE LOT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN I FIRST CAME, AND I NOTICED THAT A LOT OF TEAM MEMBERS AND GUESTS WERE PARKING OVER IN THE BELT PARKING LOT, LIKE TOOK MY BREATH AWAY WATCHING PEOPLE GO ACROSS THAT STREET.
UM, AND SO LIKE I WOULD BE SUPER EXCITED FOR LIKE WHEN THE TEAMS, THEY, THEY WILL HAVE TO CROSS, THERE'LL BE A CROSSWALK THERE, BUT THROUGH THAT SPACE, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LOT SAFER THAN COMING OVER FROM BELL.
UM, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT ROAD IS OWNED BY THE SHOPPING CENTER.
I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT ON RECORD, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S THERE.
BUT I, ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, I'M HAPPY TO TRY MY BEST TO ANSWER.
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WHAT YOUR TESTIMONY IS THAT ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF HAVING THIS OFFSITE PARKING IS TO HELP WITH THE FLOW OF THE DRIVE THROUGH OPERATIONS TO KIND OF GET CARS MOVING THROUGH QUICKER? YES.UH, WHICH WOULD RESULT IN LESS CARS BACKING UP ONTO, UM, THAT MALL ROAD AND THEN THE MLK? YES.
I, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I SEE THAT SPOT THERE AND IT MAKES ME FEEL NOT GREAT.
LIKE, I'M LIKE, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE IT EITHER, AND I REALLY, I WANT TO IMPROVE THAT AND WE, UM, THAT'S MY JOB TO DO.
I SEE THAT AS MY JOB TO MAKE THAT INTERSECTION BETTER.
LIKE LITERALLY, I KNOW THAT I NEED TO, TO WORK HARD WITH MY TEAM TO IMPROVE THAT.
SO I THINK THROUGH THE FACILITY AND THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR HARD WORK, WE CAN AND WILL WE'LL IMPROVE THAT FLOW THERE.
UM, YOU SAID PRIOR TO THIS YOU HAD ANOTHER STORE? THAT'S CORRECT.
I HAVE BEEN AT TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
UM, I WAS A TEAM MEMBER FIRST, AND THEN I WENT UP TO EASLEY, SOUTH CAROLINA, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF GREENVILLE.
AND THEN I RELOCATED TO MOUNT PLEASANT, SOUTH CAROLINA, WHICH IS CLOSE TO CHARLESTON.
I GREW UP IN A LITTLE TOWN CALLED GEORGETOWN, SOUTH CAROLINA, WHICH IS CLOSE THERE.
UM, AND SO I, I OPERATED, UM, SO I WAS AN OPERATOR IN GREEN, THE GREENVILLE AREA FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS.
AND THEN I CAME DOWN TO, UH, MOUNT PLEASANT TO GO OVER THAT.
WELL, OPENED THAT BRAND NEW IN, UH, DECEMBER OF 2008.
UM, AND THEN I GAVE THAT LOCATION UP IN ORDER TO COME UP HERE AND, UH, OPERATE THIS LOCATION.
UH, MY FAMILY AND I HAVE MOVED UP HERE, SO, SO ABOUT LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN, UH, BUSINESS OPERATIONS FOR THE COMPANY? FOR THE COMPANY? I, UH, SO AS A TEAM MEMBER, FIRST 2002, AND THEN AS AN OPERATOR IN 2005.
SO THAT'S 18 YEARS AS A AN OPERATOR AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL TIME AS A TEAM MEMBER.
AND IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE AS AN OPERATOR, HAVE YOU SEEN AN INCREASED EFFICIENCY IN THE FLOW OF DRIVE THROUGH OPERATIONS BY HAVING THIS TYPE OF PARKING SET UP? CERTAINLY IT, UH, EXPONENTIAL.
UM, PART PART OF IT, THE, THE FACILITY AND THE FLOW IN THE PARKING LOT, EVERYTHING IS GEARED TOWARDS THAT FLOW.
ASSUMING I DO MY JOB WELL AND I, I'M GONNA GIVE IT EVERYTHING I CAN TO, TO DO THAT.
I LIVE HERE, I LIVE IN THIS TOWN, THE CUSTOMERS ARE MY NEIGHBORS.
I SEE 'EM IN THE GROCERY STORE AND LIKE, I, I DON'T WANT FOLKS HAPPENING LATE NIGHT.
I OUT THERE ON MLK, I DON'T WANNA BACK UP THE ROAD.
SO YES, I MEAN, I, ACROSS THE COUNTRY AS THEY, IT'S A BIG INITIATIVE, UH, TO IMPROVE OUR FLOW TO MAKE THESE THINGS BETTER.
AND THIS IS THE MOST, LIKE, I WOULD SAY, LIKE CUTTING EDGE, LIKE THE NEWEST, UH, MODEL THAT WE HAVE AS A, AS A COMPANY.
I'M SURE THERE COULD BE LIKE A COUPLE HERE AND THERE, BUT IN GENERAL LIKE THIS, IT DOESN'T GET ANY LIKE NEWER OR LIKE BETTER IN TERMS OF LIKE WHAT CHICK-FIL-A PROVIDES THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE.
COMES IN TO SUPPORT ME WITH THE FACILITY AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND, AND IN YOUR EXPERIENCE AS A, YOUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE AS A, UM, RESTAURANT OPERATOR, UM, HAS THIS TYPE OF STRUCTURE THAT YOU HAVE SET AS CUTTING EDGE, HAS IT, UM, HAS IT EVER DECREASED PROPERTY VALUES IN THE AREA? I, I'M NOT AN EXPERT, BUT I WOULD SAY NO.
I WOULD CERTAINLY SAY THAT I'M AN EXPERT ON CHICK-FIL-A I'M NOT A, A, UH, REAL ESTATE EXPERT.
YOU SEE WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GO A LITTLE BIT.
I, I'M NOT, I HAVEN'T MET ANYHOW, BUT NO, NOT AT ALL.
LIKE THIS WILL BREAK, THIS WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE THE, THAT AREA IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC FLOW AND JUST, IT'S ALL GONNA BE A LOT NICER AND CERTAINLY, UH, YEAH, I, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT DECREASE VALUE.
I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE IT AGAIN.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, WHAT'S YOUR PERCENTAGE OF CUSTOMERS THAT USE THE DRIVE THROUGH AS OPPOSED TO INSIDE DINING? THIS, THIS WOULD BE NOT LIKE THIS, BE SOME, AN EDUCATED GUESSTIMATE AND I COULD GO BACK AND GET YOU THAT.
IF YOU NEED THAT NUMBER, I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO DO IT.
UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WITHIN OUR, WITHIN CHICK-FIL-A IT'S ABOVE 50% AND APPROACHING PROBABLY IN 60% RANGE, 60 PLUS PERCENT DEPENDING ON HOW WELL WE KIND OF GET THE FLOW.
IF THE DRIVE THROUGH'S NOT FLOWING, THEN GUESTS TEND TO SELECT, UH, ANOTHER OPTION TO TYPICALLY CARRY OUT.
THEY'LL PARK, WALK ACROSS THE STREET,
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PICK UP THEIR FOOD, AND THEN DRIVE AWAY.UM, SO THEY'LL OVER, I I WOULD SAY MY PARTICULAR LOCATION CLOSE TO 55, 60%, IT'S DRIVE THROUGH.
AND JUST COME BACK TO, UM, YOUR RELOCATION.
HOW LONG AGO DID YOU TAKE OVER THIS UNIT? I'VE BEEN THERE ABOUT THREE MONTHS.
I TOOK OVER MARCH ONE WAS MY FIRST OFFICIAL DAY.
SO YOU WERE ABLE TO GET A VERY GOOD TASTE OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND REALLY WHAT WAS NEEDED IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THIS PROJECT? YES.
AND IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT IF, IF, IF FOR SOME REASON THIS PROJECT WASN'T ABLE TO GO THROUGH AS TO THE, UM, OFFSITE PARKING, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT OFFSITE PARKING FOR YOUR RESTAURANT, UM, THAT YOU'D STILL WOULD BE IN THE PREDICAMENT OF HAVING, UH, STAFF PARK EITHER ONSITE OR ACROSS FROM THE BELK, THAT YOU'D STILL HAVE A PARKING ISSUE? WE WILL, YES.
AND, AND, AND IF, AND IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO HAVE THAT OFFSITE PARKING, YOU WOULD END UP WITH, UM, THE UH, AGAIN, A SIMILAR FLOW ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO DRIVE THROUGH EFFICIENCY AND BACKUP OF CARS.
POTENTIALLY TEAM MEMBER SHORTAGE AND THAT COULD BACK UP FIRST, YOU KNOW, MEANS, UH, ARE YOU PLANNING ON HAVING A DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH AND I CALL A DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH.
WE HAVE TWO DRIVE THROUGHS, YOU KNOW, ONE DRIVE THROUGH HILL, THE DRIVE THROUGH HILL, THEN THAT COUNTER, IT'S, IT'S HIT THE FLOOR.
IT'S TWO LANES ALL THE WAY AROUND.
UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS IN THE NEW LAYOUT, THEY AS THE CAR EXIT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO CROSS WITH THE CARS ENTERING.
SO THAT, THAT'LL BE A BIG HELP IN ITSELF IN THE CURRENT SEVERAL, IT'S GONE NOW, BUT PREVIOUSLY AS THEY EXITED THE DRIVE THROUGH, THEY WOULD'VE TO CROSS THE CARS COMING INTO THE LOT.
AND SO NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA CROSS.
SO IMMEDIATELY THAT'S GONNA HAVE, AND IT WILL BE TWO LANES ALL THE WAY AROUND AND WE CAN USE THAT TO, UH, YOU COULD HAND FOOD TO BOTH OF THOSE CARS OR YOU CAN DO AS WHAT WE CALL IT LIKE AN ESCAPE LANE, WHICH MEANS WE KEEP THAT SPACE OPEN SO YOU COULD GO AND ALLOW SOMEONE TO EXIT.
SO THEY'RE NOT CALLED IN THERE.
SO THERE'S DIFFERENT STRATEGIES IN PLAYS THAT WE EXECUTE TO IN ORDER TO, UH, IMPROVE THE FLOW OR, OR, OR DO THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT YES, IN THIS CASE WE'LL HAVE THE TWO LANES ALL, ALL THE WAY.
AND I'M HAPPY TO EXPAND ON ANY OF THIS STUFF BEST I CAN.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? UH, I SAID THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS AND UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ALL IS DOING.
WE CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE WOULD MAKE IT NICE.
THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE NICE.
WE'LL HAVE THE LANDSCAPING NICE AND IT'LL BE EXTREMELY NICE FOR THE TEAM MEMBERS AND GENUINELY, LIKE I JUST WANNA TAKE CARE OF GROUND AND I FEEL LIKE IF I TAKE CARE OF THEM WELL IN THAT TRANSLATES OVER TO OUR GUESTS AND OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH NEVER HAPPENS.
UM, SO DO JAMIE, DO WE NEED ELSE TO AN OPENING CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT OR DO WE JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S NOBODY HERE AND MOVE ON WITHOUT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THERE ARE NO PUBLIC PRESENT? I THINK IT'S OFFICIAL.
SO YES, THERE'S NO PUBLIC PRESENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
SO THEY JUST WANNA GET CHICK-FIL-A REOPENED SO THEY CAN GET THROUGH
THANK YOU TO THE PUBLIC ON THAT ONE.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE VOTING PROCESS COMMONS? I THINK, I THINK WE COVERED IT PRETTY GOOD, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY THAT I THINK, UM, IN, IN A SENSE, NUMBER FOUR HERE IS WELL COVERED THAT IT'S ENABLING BETTER HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR THE COMMUNITY BY ADDING THIS VERSUS, UM, NO, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY OPINIONATED WITH THE PEOPLE CROSSING FROM THE PARKING LOT, SO, SURE.
AND I'LL ADD, I'M ONE GUILTY THAT USED TO PARK AT BE AND RUN ACROSS THE ROAD AND PROBABLY HAD MORE THAN ONE PERSON HIT THE BRAKE CARD.
SO, UM, YEAH, I, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, I, I ALSO THINK THAT FROM THE TESTIMONY THAT WE HEARD FROM THE CIVIL ENGINEER WHO I, I, I CERTAINLY WOULD SUBMIT AS AN EXPERT IN THIS MATTER, AND THEN THE PROFESSIONAL RESTAURANT OPERATOR, UH, WHO
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I WOULD ALSO SUBMIT AS AN EXPERT IN THIS MATTER THAT I THINK BASED ON BOTH OF THEIR EXPERIENCE, WE ACHIEVE THE ISSUE FOR SAFETY ON NUMBER FOUR.AND I DON'T HEAR ANY EVIDENCE THAT SAYS THAT THE SURROUNDING PARCELS WOULD SUFFER ECONOMICALLY.
UM, HONESTLY FROM A TRAFFIC, NOT, NOT TRAFFIC, BUT A DRIVE THROUGH EFFICIENCY AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE BACKUP ON MLK FROM THE, WHAT WE ALL KNOW IS I THINK CAN TAKE PUBLIC NOTICE OF, UM, THE TRAFFIC BACKUP THAT THIS, UH, MAY EVEN BE A PUBLIC NECESSITY.
BUT I THINK WE'VE HEARD SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO SAY THAT THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE NOT GOING TO BE, UM, AFFECTED ECONOMICALLY.
UM, WE'RE SUBSTANTIALLY INJURED FOR NUMBER FIVE.
SO I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD ON A VOTE, MOVE FORWARD.
SO JAMIE, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF WE DON'T DO A ROLL CALL AND WE JUST HAVE A, A HAND VOTE FOR EACH OF THE SIX? YOU CAN DO A VOICE VOTE OR A SHOW OF HANDS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM.
THE REQUESTED PERMIT IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION, ACCORDING TO THE TABLE OF PERMISSIBLE USES.
ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR I.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVED THE MOTION THAT THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETE.
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? IF COMPLETED IS PROPOSED IN THE APPLICATION, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? OH, SO MOVED SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE USE WILL NOT MATERIAL ENDANGER THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY IF LOCATED WERE PROPOSED IN DEVELOPMENT ACCORDING TO THE PLAN AS SUBMITTED.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, NUMBER FIVE.
THAT THE USE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INJURE THE VALUE OF ADJOINING OR ABUTTING PROPERTY OR THAT THE USE IS PUBLIC NECESSITY.
ANY DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
AND MR. CHAIR, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IS THE BOARD FINDING THAT THE PROJECT WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE THE VALUE OF JOINING OR ABUTTING PROPERTIES OR ARE YOU FINDING THAT IT'S A PUBLIC ASSESSMENT? MY, MY, MY MOTION AND I SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED SO I APOLOGIZE.
MY MOTION WAS THAT BASED ON THE TESTIMONY THAT WE HEARD FROM, UM, YEAH.
ON THE APPLICANT AND WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE S SOME EXPERTS THAT THE USE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INJURE THE VALUE OF THE ADJOINING OR ABUTTING PROPERTY.
WAS THAT EVERYONE'S UNDERSTANDING OF THE MOTION? YES.
THANKS FOR KEEPING US ACCOUNTABLE.
UH, MOVING ON TO NUMBER SIX, THAT THE LOCATION AND CHARACTER OF THE USE IF DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO THE PLAN AS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED, WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE AREA IN WHICH IT IS TO BE LOCATED AND IN GENERAL CONFORMITY WITH THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.
I I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE HEARD, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS TOPIC, BUT I THINK FROM ALL OF THE WITNESSES WE HEARD FROM THIS IS SURROUNDED BY PARKING LOTS.
THERE'S FU THERE'S POSSIBLE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT'S A VERY HIGH VOLUME COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT I THINK'S GONNA, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A MALL AND SO I THINK THIS IS ABSOLUTELY WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE USE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE AND THE USE THAT WE WILL CONTINUE.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ARE WE OKAY, JAMIE, WITH WHERE WE'RE AT? JUST TO BE CLEAR, MS. MS. MARTY, YOUR MOTION WAS THAT THE LOCATION AND CHARACTER OF THE USE HAVE DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO THE PLAINTIFF, SUBMITTED AND APPROVED WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE AREA IN WHICH IS TO BE LOCATED IN GENERAL CONFORMITY WITH THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY.
OKAY, SO THAT'S THE MOTION AND THE SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION FINDING EACH OF THE SIX ELEMENTS IN ADDITION FOR DISCUSSION? UM, NOW I,
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I WOULD MOVE TO ISSUE THE PERMIT AS TO ISSUE THE PERMIT.SO DO WE NEED TO HAVE A, A MORE CONCISE WORDING THERE? JAMIE, ARE WE GOOD? NO SIR.
ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
ANY PERMITS ISSUED? I FIGURED WE CAN'T ADD A CONDITION THAT, THAT WE GET CHICK-FIL-A SERVING, YOU KNOW, MONTH, RIGHT? I MEAN WE CAN'T ADD THAT CONDITION.
UM, JUST CAN WE HAVE FOR THE RECORD, IT WAS A JOKE.
THAT MAY HAVE BEEN A RECORD FOR.