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RIGHT, WELL, IT IS[1. Welcome & Introductions]
FIVE 30 AND SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.UM, FIRST ALL, WELCOME EVERYONE.
HOPE EVERYONE HAD A GREAT 4TH OF JULY.
UM, WE, UH, LOTS OF FIREWORKS AND EXCITEMENT AND SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, UM, YOU MAY RECALL THAT MR. SADLER'S TERM WAS COMING TO AN END.
AND, UM, AT THE LAST BOARD OF ALDERMAN MEETING, UM, MR. BEN WUNDERMAN HAS BEEN APPOINTED AS OUR NEW COMMITTEE MEMBER.
UM, SO HE'S UNOFFICIALLY OFFICIAL TO SEE.
SO WE'LL DO THE SWEARING IN AND, UM, AND TAKE MR. SALVERS POSITION NEXT MEETING.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, I THINK I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, EVERY MEETING WE ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE US ANY COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS ON BEFORE WE START OUR MEETING.
AND SO IF ANYONE PRESENT WOULD LIKE TO COME ADDRESS THE BOARD, WE'RE JUST HERE TO, TO WATCH.
OKAY, WELL THAT SOUNDS EVEN BETTER.
[3. Approval of Minutes – May 8, 2024]
COPIES OF THE MAY 8TH MIN, UM, MINUTES FROM OUR MEETING.I WOULD ASK FOR YOU TO, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THEM AND LOOKING FOR A MOTION OF APPROVAL.
MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND AND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
[4. Project Ranking Discussion]
THE FUN PART OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.UM, SO YOU MAY RECALL DURING OUR LAST MEETING, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT WE WERE GOING TO KIND OF STRATEGICALLY GO THROUGH THE PLAN AND WE WERE GONNA LOOK AT EACH PLAN, UM, AS ONE MEETING AND DISCUSS PRIORITY PROJECTS.
AND SO THE LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY AND SIDEWALK GAPS.
SO THIS WOULD BE ADDING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED TO, TO MAKE THE HOLISTIC CONNECTIONS.
AND SO WE WENT THROUGH THIS, THIS MAP AND WE LOOKED AT EACH PROJECT INDIVIDUALLY.
WE SPENT SOME TIME DISCUSSING WHAT, WHAT THE PLAN RECOMMENDED WITH THAT.
WE IDENTIFIED THE GOAL WAS TO IDENTIFY THREE TOP PROJECTS.
THE OVERWHELMINGLY TOP NUMBER ONE PRIORITY PROJECT WAS THE OAKS ROAD SIDEWALK AND SIDE PATH.
BUT HOWEVER, WHEN IT CAME TO NUMBER TWO AND THREE, WE HAD A FOUR WAY TIE.
AND SO THE, YOUR HOMEWORK OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS WAS TO SPEND SOME TIME LOOKING AT THOSE FOUR PROJECTS AND SEEING IF WE CAN MAYBE COME TO A NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE DECISION.
SO AS A REMINDER, THE FOUR WAY TIDE, WE HAVE THE TRENT BOULEVARD SIDEWALK IN WHITE LANE WIDENING.
UM, AND THAT'S FROM SIMMONS TO, I CAN'T REMEMBER, IT IS PAST FIFTH STREET.
THEN WE HAVE THE TRENT ROAD SIDE PATH.
THE TRENT ROAD, CHESTNUT AVENUE GREENWAY.
SO THIS WOULD BE MA A NEW CONNECTION FROM, UM, CHESTNUT TO TRENT ROAD.
AND THEN JUST TO KIND OF SHOW HOW ALL THREE PROJECTS KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND, JUST WANTED TO SHOW THEM, UM, ON AN AERIAL.
AND THEN THE LAST PROJECT WAS THE KAREN DRIVE, PATRIOT HART PARK, GREENWAY AND RESERVE AT GREEN GLEN BURNEY APARTMENT.
SO THIS WOULD JUST BE, UM, FUTURE CONNECTIONS WITH SOME DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UH, FOR CONVERSATION FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS IS, OH, I, WHY THAT POPPED UP.
SO FOR CONVERSATION FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE, WHICH OF WHICH PROJECTS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE AS NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE ON THE GAP PROJECTS? THIS IS NEW INFRASTRUCTURE TO COMBINE TWO EXISTING, UM, EITHER SIDEWALKS, GREENWAYS, ROADS FROM A BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE ALL SO IMPORTANT.
EVERY SINGLE THING ON THIS MAP IS SO IMPORTANT.
UM, THE THING THAT STANDS OUT THE MOST TO ME IS I LOVE NUMBER NINE, UH, BECAUSE THAT, UM, WOULD CONNECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE BACK TO CLOSER TO THAT LOWES BOULEVARD PROJECT THAT ALREADY IS MM-HMM
AND I JUST FEEL THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED IN ORDER FOR LOWES BOULEVARD TO ACTUALLY TAKE ITS FULL EFFECT THAT, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE NUMBER NINE, WILL YOU DEFINE A SIDE PATH? SO, UM, OKAY, SO I APOLOGIZE.
SO A SIDE PATH IS WHEN YOU HAVE, UM, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEXT TO YOUR, UH, THE ROAD ITSELF.
SO IT'D BE A GREENWAY IS SEPARATED FROM YOUR ROAD, A SIDE PATH IS ADJACENT TO THE ROAD.
CAN YOU NEED GO BACK TO THE PICTURE? YEP.
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RIGHT.THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT DO YOU NUMBER ABOUT? UM, YOU WANT NUMBER 10, THE RED ONE.
IT'S NUMBER 10 THEN, ISN'T IT? BECAUSE LOWS BOULEVARD IS WHERE THE PURPLE IS.
IT'S CUTTING THROUGH THE FOREST.
THAT'S THE CON IT BECAUSE WE NEED THE CONNECTION THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE FOREST TO GET, YES.
SO NUMBER 10 TO ME, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK I MENTIONED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, I WAS, I WAS LOOKING FOR METRICS.
SO I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, BANG FOR THE BUCK, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USING THEM VERSUS HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST.
SO MAYBE IF YOU CAN GET A LOT OF LITTLE PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA AFFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE THE OPTIMUM ONE, VERY EXPENSIVE THAT DOESN'T REALLY MEET A LOT OF PEOPLE'S NEEDS, WOULD BE THE LEAST OPTIMUM.
UM, BUT IT BECAME OBVIOUS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA AVAILABLE TO US.
SO I REALLY WRESTLED WITH THIS QUITE A BIT AND I THOUGHT MAYBE SAFETY WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE CONSIDER AS A METRIC THAT WE COULD THINK OF.
SO IN THAT, WITH THAT IN MIND, CURRENT ROAD TO ME IS I, I RIDE MY BICYCLE ON TRENT ROAD AND ONCE YOU GET PAST THE, UH, LOW'S, IT REALLY GETS DANGEROUS.
BUT PRIOR TO, WHEN I SAY PAST, IT'S I GUESS WEST, SOUTH, AND WEST OF, OF LOW'S IS REALLY WHERE IT'S DANGEROUS.
I MEAN, YOU ARE SHARING THE SAME LANE AS CARS AND SOME CARS ARE OFFENDED BY THAT FACT.
SO IF YOU COULD HAVE A SEPARATE AREA ON THE BICYCLE OR A PEDESTRIAN TO, UH, THAT'S ONLY YOURS AND BUT, AND THE CARS CANNOT UTILIZE IT, TO ME THAT WOULD BE MUCH SAFER THAN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO SAFETY TO ME IS A BIG THING.
SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD GO WITH THE, THE TRENT OPTION.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT MYSELF BECAUSE I FEEL EVERYTHING'S IMPORTANT.
UM, AND I DEFINITELY FEEL THAT AS WELL.
SO IF YOU NEED A COHESIVE GROUP HERE, I AM SO WILLING TO BE COHESIVE.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID IN THE SIDE PATH, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A BIKE LANE OR IS IT THE SIDE PATH? DEPENDING ON HOW WE DEFINE IT, IT COULD BE A LIGHT, LIKE, UM, A GREEN WAY WHERE IT ALLOWS BOTH THAT, AND IT ALL JUST DEPENDS ON HOW WE END UP DESIGNING IT.
IF, IF YOU WANT, WE, WE USE THE TERM SIDE PATH, BUT IT REALLY IS GONNA COME DOWN TO DESIGN AND WHAT LIMITS FROM RIGHT OF WAY AND IN THAT KIND OF THING.
FOR THE WHAT, WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO US.
WELL, UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING, A GREENWAY, YOU CAN DO SO MANY THINGS ON AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT.
UM, SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT A GREENWAY TENDS TO, DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANT DEFINE IT, BUT A GREENWAY CAN GO NOT PARALLEL TO THE ROAD.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PAVED, BUT IF IT IS, TYPICALLY WHEN IT'S SOMETHING LIKE A GREENWAY PARALLEL TO A ROAD THAT'S TYPICALLY PAVED BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE WALKERS AND WHEELCHAIRS, IT, IT KIND OF, UH, PLAYS DUAL PURPOSE LIKE A SIDEWALK.
SO YOU HAVE WALKERS AND CYCLISTS.
WAS IS THE CONCEPT OF PAYING TO BE PAID? YES.
BUT THAT DOESN'T, WELL, I SHOULD SAY THAT I, IT DID NOT DEFINE IT, BUT THEY'RE TYPICALLY PAID UNLESS YOU GO IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE YOU COULD NOW IT STILL HAS TO MEET A DA REQUIREMENTS.
WELL MY THOUGHT IS GRAVEL IS SO MUCH LESS AND UNLESS YOU HAVE AUTOMOBILES ON IT, YOU REALLY DON'T TEAR IT UP.
SO TONIGHT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT THE NEEDS OF CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR CONNECTIVITY.
BECAUSE WE CAN, WE CAN SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT METHODS OF CONSTRUCTION AND, AND WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
BUT REALITY WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PRIORITIZE WHAT SEGMENTS DO WE WANT TO SEE AS NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVE IN THAT SUBDIVISION, UH, JUST SOUTH OF LAWSON CREEK.
UH, YEAH, I THINK I KNOW WHO THAT IS.
UM, SO, UM, DO YOU GET THE SENSE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD USE THAT NORMALLY I DO.
BECAUSE I MEAN, I WOULD JUST HATE TO, WE GET THREE CHOICES AND WE PICK ONE AND IT TURNS OUT THAT NOT, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE USING IT, RIGHT.
WELL, AND I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THIS IS, WE'RE USING THE ANALYSIS OF GOING BACK TO MAP TO FOCUS OUR CONVERSATIONS.
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GOING TO SEE NEXT IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAYS AND THAT MIGHT CHANGE YOUR PRIORITIES HERE.SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GET A STARTING POINT.
AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND REFINE IT BASED OFF OF WHAT THE NEXT MAP SHOWS US.
SO I FEEL LIKE THE CONVERSATION'S LEANING TOWARDS NUMBER NINE AND NUMBER 10.
WHAT'S NUMBER SEVEN? NUMBER SEVEN IS A SIDEWALK AND BIKE LANE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THE WIDENING OF THE ROAD, BUT TRENT ALREADY HAS A BIKE LANE ON IT.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S, THERE'S UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY SPORADIC ON TRENT ROAD.
BUT S THAT SECTION I THINK, 'CAUSE I, I WOULDN'T USED TO TAKE MY BIKE DOWN THAT ROAD AND THAT SECTION OF IT SATURDAY, THAT SECTION OF IT HAS A A, I MEAN IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT IT'S MORE THAN WHAT THEY HAVE, UH, SOUTH OF THERE.
'CAUSE AFTER, AFTER SIMMONS IT JUST, THERE'S NOTHING, LITERALLY NOTHING.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING? I MEAN, I'M NOT ON THE COMMITTEE
BUT I OFTENTIMES RIDE PRINT ROAD BECAUSE I, I GO LIKE TO THE GROCERY STORE WHEN I GO UP TO HARRIS TO BEER OR SOMETHING.
AND I'VE HAD CARS COME PRETTY CLOSE TO ME, ALSO HAD CARS JUST GET BEHIND ME AND JUST HONK AND UH, I STILL RIDE, I STILL RIDE UP THERE AND GET MY GROCERIES SOMETIMES, BUT IT YEAH.
BUT WHICH SECTION? THAT'S ALL I GOT SAY.
WHICH SECTION EIGHT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THOUGH? NINE.
UM, THE NUMBER 10 WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE USING IT, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE WALKERS, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.
BUT I DROVE THROUGH CHESTNUT THIS WEEKEND JUST TO MAKE, JUST TO SEE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
THAT'S, THESE ARE PROBABLY THE WALKERS, BUT THEY, THEY DO WANT TO GET TO THIS SHOPPING AREA.
UM, ALSO, IS THERE, HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT THE, THE TOWN LOOKS AT THEIR ROADS AND DO THEY LOOK AT THEIR ROADS THINKING, OH, WE WANT CARS TO BE HAPPY? OR DO THEY LOOK AT, I MEAN, SERIOUSLY BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED TO CHUNK THESE ROADS DOWN.
SERIOUSLY, WHEN WE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SIDE PATHS AND WIDENING AND WHATEVER WE, WE REALLY NEED A CAR IS WHAT, A 10 FEET? IS THAT WHAT WE NEED FOR A CAR? YEAH.
AND SO LET'S JUST COMMIT TO 10 FEET AND THEN THE REST IS, THERE IS A LOT OF GREEN ON SOME OF THESE THINGS OF THESE PLANS AND THERE'S NO TALK ABOUT LESSENING THE ROAD AND GIVING IT TO PEDESTRIANS.
WELL HOLD THAT THOUGHT BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE NEXT PLAN.
WELL RIGHT THERE, THERE IS ON A FEW PROJECTS, EXCUSE ME, THERE IS ON A FEW, BUT THERE ARE SOME PLACES I WENT AND I WAS LIKE, WHY ARE THEY NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT USING ALL THIS GREEN SPACE THAT I SEE THAT WE'RE DRIVING BY? AND IT'S, SO I REALLY THINK THE FOCUS IS REALLY NEEDS TO BE VERY STRICT AND STERN ABOUT WHEN WE REDEVELOP THESE ROADS.
WELL, AND I KNOW THAT I, THAT THE LAND USE ORDINANCE IS, IS BEING UPDATED AND AMENDED.
THAT PROCESS STARTED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS, BUT WE'RE STILL EARLY ON IN THAT PROCESS.
UM, THAT'S HOW WE GOT INTO THIS SITUATION BECAUSE THE MENTALITY IN AMERICA WAS CARS, LET'S DO EVERYTHING TO ACCOMMODATE AUTOMOBILES AND EVERYBODY ELSE COULD, UM, ADJUST AS NECESSARY.
AND IN EUROPE IT'S NOT LIKE THAT AT ALL.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY HAS EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO TRANSPORT THEMSELVES, WHETHER THEY WERE, I MEAN, 'CAUSE I GUESS THEY COULDN'T AFFORD CARS FOR GENERATIONS.
SO THEY, THEY MADE, THEY MADE PROVISIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING AND RIDING BICYCLES TO GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
AND WE DID NOT DO THAT IN THIS COUNTRY AND NOW WE'RE PAYING FOR IT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO JUST BUYING IT HARD.
SO THAT, AND THOSE ARE ALL GREAT THINGS TO CONSIDER FOR GETTING BACK TO THE PRIORITIES PRIORITY.
SO I FEEL LIKE I'M HEARING OBVIOUSLY NUMBER NINE.
WHICH ONE DO YOU WANNA PUT AS NUMBER TWO AND WHICH ONE'S NUMBER THREE FOR NOW? I'LL GO WITH NUMBER NINE AND THEN 10.
AND I, I THINK WHEN, ONCE WE'RE DONE GOING THROUGH THE, THE LIST, THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES NOW THAT WE'RE, WE'VE GOTTEN MORE ACCLIMATED TO THE, THE MAPS, ET CETERA.
EVERYONE FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR DECISION.
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SO THE NEXT MAP WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IS WHAT'S, YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT IN FRONT OF YOU.AND IF YOU FLIP IT OVER, IT'S THE LIST OF PROJECTS.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THESE 16 PROJECTS WITH AND ACCLIMATE YOU TO KIND OF WHERE THEY'RE AT.
KIND OF TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT ARE THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN JUST LIKE LAST MEETING AT THE END, AT THE END OF THE UPDATE OF THE 16 PROJECTS, THERE'S A QR CODE IN FRONT OF YOU.
YOU'RE GONNA USE YOUR CAMERA, CLICK ON IT, TELL US YOUR TOP THREE PROJECTS AND THEN WE'LL TALK, WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE AT AT THAT POINT.
SO NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAYS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT 'CAUSE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE NEED TO ADD INFRASTRUCTURE TO ADD THAT CONNECTIVITY.
THIS IS TAKING SOMETHING EXISTING LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD ROAD THAT HAS LOWER TRAFFIC VOLUMES, LOWER SPEEDS, AND MAKING IT MORE OBVIOUS THAT IT'S A SHARED OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS WITH YOUR TRAVELING MOTORISTS.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAYS, IT'S NOT A SEPARATE FACILITY, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS THAT WE DO TO IMPROVE IT.
SO THINGS INCLUDE LIKE PAVEMENT MARKINGS, WHERE THAT'S THE SHARE ROW THAT THAT REMINDS DRIVERS THAT YOU HAVE TO SHARE THE ROAD BETWEEN A CYCLIST AND A VEHICLE.
UH, WE MIGHT LOOK AT TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES.
AND WHAT'S PICTURED THERE IS, THIS IS A SMALL ROUNDABOUT.
SO RATHER THAN HAVING A STOP SIGN THAT WE JUST PUT SOME SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE TO MAKE YOU SLOW DOWN, UM, AS YOU'VE GOT, UH, DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION COMING TOGETHER, UM, WE COULD LOOK AT WAY FINDING.
UM, AND THAT COULD BE SOMETHING SIMPLE AS JUST DIRECTING YOU WHERE THE GROCERY STORE IS, WHERE CITY HALL IS, ET CETERA.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YOUR SAFE CROSSINGS.
AND THOSE SAFE CROSSING CROSSINGS CAN BE CROSSWALKS, UM, REFUGE ISLANDS OR YOUR PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS THAT YOU CALL HEAD HEADS.
YOU JUST PUSH THE BUTTON FOR YOU TO GET TO ACROSS THE STREET.
SO AGAIN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAYS.
THESE ARE THE FOUR MAIN THINGS THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE NUMBER ONE.
UM, IS, UH, NUMBER 17 I SHOULD SAY IS MIDDLE STREET.
AND MIDDLE STREET IS THE WHOLE WHOLE LENGTH OF MIDDLE STREET FROM UM, UM, TO THE WATER'S EDGE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURE, IT HAS EXISTING SIDEWALKS.
SO IN THIS CASE WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT YOUR SIGNAGE, POSSIBLY SOME TRAFFIC COMMONING DEVICES AND ADDING SOME PAPER MARKERS.
SO THIS IS A RELATIVELY EASY THING, UM, TO IMPLEMENT.
18 IS MAIN STREET, AND THAT'S FROM CLARK AVENUE TO GEORGE STREET.
IT, THIS WOULD BE TAKING THIS ROAD AND ADDING THE SHARE ROAD SOME WAY FINDING.
AND NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT UM, UM, LIKE SPEED HUNTS.
AND, AND SO YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP THERE THAT THEY JUST KIND OF PUT 'EM ON TOP AND IT JUST, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC.
AND THEN AT SOME OF THOSE STRATEGIC INTERSECTIONS WHERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT BUSIER, IT'S ADDING THE TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
IT COULD BE SOMETHING LANDSCAPED DOESN'T HAVE TO BE VERY BIG, IT'S JUST FOR YOU TO KIND OF SLOW DOWN FROM A VEHICLE.
THE ALABAMA AVENUE SIDEWALK SIDE PATH NUMBER 19.
SO THIS WAS KIND OF VIEWED AS A SHORT TERM ALTERNATIVE TO THE OAKS ROAD SHARED USE PATH.
QUITE HONESTLY, I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS PROJECT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED 'CAUSE IT'S JUST A SHARED USE PATH.
YOU COULD JUST USE THE ROAD AND, AND VERSUS THIS.
BUT I MEAN THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO JUST, UM, AND PUT SOME SIDEWALKS AND A SIDE PATH ON THERE.
NUMBER 20 IS THE DOWNTOWN SPINES.
UM, AND I CALLED IT THAT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT YOUR DOWNTOWN INFRASTRUCTURE, FOCUSING ON THE FIVE MAIN STREETS.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE CASTOR FRONT BURN, WALT BELLAMY AND SOUTH FRONT.
SO ALONG THOSE STREETS YOU WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ADDING YOUR WAY, FINDING THE SHARE ROW, MAYBE SOME TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES, BUT IT SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT SOME INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS MAINLY ON BURN STREET.
AND THOSE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE REALLY LOOKING AT ADDING CROSSWALKS OR PEDESTRIAN HEADS, WHATEVER'S NECESSARY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SAFER FOR YOUR PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS.
NUMBER 21 IS QUEEN STREET FROM FIRST STREET TO BURN STREET.
SO ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, I THINK THIS IS THE ONE THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE COULD IMPLEMENT A BIKE LANE TO THE BIKE LANE OPTION IS SHOWN ON THE, ON THE SLIDE, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE REMOVING PARKING OR MOVING PARKING TO ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
UM, AND IF WE CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT, THEN THEY'RE JUST RECOMMENDING GOING BACK TO YOUR, THE, THE TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY AESTHETICS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY.
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I ASK A QUESTION? SURE.ARE THERE TRAFFIC COUNTS ON SOME OF THESE? UM, NO, BUT WE COULD GET SOME TRAFFIC COUNTS BECAUSE YEAH, SOME OF 'EM I WOULD LIKE THE THE 20 AND WHEN YOU SAY TRAFFIC COUNTS, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT VEHICLES? PEDESTRIANS? YEAH.
SOME OF THESE ROADS I'VE NEVER BEEN ON.
AND I'VE, I'VE LIVED HERE 40 PLUS YEARS.
WELL MAYBE THAT'S NOT, HOW HARD IS THAT TO DO? UM, I HAVE TO WORK WITH ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO PUBLIC WORKS TO GET THEM TO PUT IT OUT.
AND THEN WE ONLY HAVE ONE TRAFFIC COUNTER.
SO IN ORDER TO COLLECT IT, NORMALLY YOU DO IT OVER A 12 HOUR PERIOD, SO YOU HAVE TO GO SET IT UP, GET AN ACCOUNT, DOWNLOAD THE DATA.
UM, SO DEPENDING ON HOW MANY YOU WANTED TO DO, I'M SURE WE CAN PROBABLY GET IT DONE BY THE NEXT MEETING.
SO WHAT ARE YOU HOPING TO FIND FROM A TRAFFIC COUNT? WELL, I JUST, I THINK IT HELPS WITH PRIORITY.
SO YOU, ARE YOU LOOKING TO SEE LIKE, UH, DEANNE SAID HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WALKING, HOW MANY PEOPLE RIDING BIKES, HOW MANY CARS GO THROUGH THAT? WE'D HAVE TO DISRUPT, WELL, LIKE 20 THAT'S BURN STREET TO, UH, NORTH HILLS OR, I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH THAT IS USED A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT GOES THROUGH CRAVEN TERRACE TO, UM, TO BROAD AND I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH IT.
SO THREE OR FOUR BLOCKS AWAY, UH, 20 DOES SAY IT'S LOW TRAFFIC.
SO MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY'RE STEERING, UM, UH, PEDESTRIANS IN BIKES TOWARD A LOW TRAFFIC.
SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
AND THEN JUST, WE JUST NEED SOME, UM, UM, THE SIGNING AND SOME MARKINGS ON THE ROAD TO MAKE IT OBVIOUS THAT THIS IS A SAFER PLACE FOR BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS TO GO.
THE OTHER THING IS, AND THE REASON IT'S LOW TRAFFIC MIGHT BE BECAUSE IT'S SO DANGEROUS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIANS ARE BICYCLE MAYBE.
SO IT MAY BE THE DATA YOU GETTING MAY NOT BE FOR THE REASON THERE.
BUT I MEAN, TO MARY'S POINT, UM, AND, AND, AND TO ROB'S THAT EVEN IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THEY TOOK THIS AND, AND, AND IDENTIFIED THE CONSULTANT KIND OF DREW LINES IN A MAP THAT SAID THIS, THIS IS WHAT IT COULD BE.
YOU KNOW, AND SO TO, TO BOTH YOUR POINTS, MAYBE IT'S, MAYBE THEY'VE IDENTIFIED IT GREAT, BUT THAT'S NOT A HIGH PRIORITY FOR US TO FOCUS ON.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ALWAYS COME BACK AT A LATER DATE AND GET SOME DATA IF WE NEEDED TO MOVE THAT UP TO PRIORITY.
THIRD AVENUE IS FROM BROAD STREET TO CEDAR STREET.
THEY, THIS SECTION, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, UH, STANLEY WHITE IS BEING CONSTRUCTED AT THE VERY, UM, BOTTOM ON THE LEFT BY THE RED LINE AND RECENTLY SOME NEW SIDEWALKS.
AND SO WE CAN CONTINUE THE NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY CONCEPT BY ADDING THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS, THE TRAFFIC CUSHIONS, TRAFFIC HOME DEVICES IF NEEDED.
AGAIN, N THE CONCEPT OF NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAYS IS WE'RE JUST KIND OF DELINEATING THAT IT'S A GREENWAY THAT, AND TO MAKE IT SAFER AND OBVIOUS THAT IT'S BEING SHARED BY PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS, WE HAVE THE SIMMONS STREET ROAD DIET.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY TAKING A FOUR LANE CROSS SECTION AND CONVERTING IT TO A TWO LANE WITH THE CENTER TURN LANE WITH BIKE LANES ON BOTH SIDES.
SO ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS IS OWED BY DOT AT LEAST PART OF THE ROAD.
AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH M-C-D-O-T AND THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME ENGINEERING ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC VOLUME CAN SUBSTANTIATE A ROAD DIET.
THIS WOULD BE MY NUMBER ONE OF ALL EVER DISCUSSED.
THIS ROAD IS INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS IF YOU IT'S GOT A LOT OF POTHOLES ON IT TOO.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE TRYING TO RIDE A BICYCLE ON THEIR INTERSTATE.
THAT DANGEROUS NEWS BOULEVARD IS THE SAME THING.
YOU NEED A ROAD DIE ON NEWS BOULEVARD TOO.
DID YOU NOTICE SOMEONE GET HELICOPTER LIFTED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO? YEAH.
THEY GOT HIT BY A BICYCLIST GOT HIT.
ALMOST IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND HELICOPTER HAD TO PICK THEM UP.
WHERE WAS THAT? UM, NEWS BOULEVARD ACROSS, THERE'S A, A GARAGE, UM, RIGHT BEFORE HE HIT 43 BOSCH.
BETWEEN BOSCH AND THIS, THIS GARAGE THAT'S THERE.
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IT IS SCARY.SO, UM, THE WOODLAND AVENUE AND SIMMONS STREET, THEY'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING, UM, IDENTIFYING THIS AS A, A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING JUST TO KIND OF MAKE IT SAFE BECAUSE THE WOODLAND AVENUE IS A POTENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY THAT WOULD CONNECT SOME NEIGHBORHOODS TOGETHER.
SO AGAIN, THE CROSSING WOULD BE REFUGE ISLANDS CROSSWALKS, HEAD HEADS.
THEN WE HAVE THE, THE CONTINUATION OF THE COUNTRY CLUB ROAD DIET.
SAME CONCEPT, UM, AS WHAT STARTED AS YOU COME INTO NEW BERN.
AND AS YOU'RE GOING OVER THE BRIDGE, YOU CAN GO FROM FOUR LANE CROSS SECTION TO TWO LANE, AND HERE'S THE WOODLAND AVENUE SPINE.
UM, SO THE CIRCLE IS WHAT WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
AND THE SPINE STARTS OFF AT MEADOW STREET TO
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THIS? UH, I DROVE THIS AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GO THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THERE'S A BIG SIGN AS YOU ENTER THAT SAYS PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I I WAS JUST GOING OFF OF THE PLANE RECOMMENDED.
I HAVE NOT DRIVEN THESE, SO, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT NEAR WOODLAND CARLSON.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHERE THE SIGN, UM, WOODLAND CROSSING? YEAH.
AS YOU'RE WITHIN PROCESS TO PRIVATE, BECAUSE WE ALMOST DIDN'T FINISH THE ROOTS THINKING IT'S PRIVATE.
AND I SAID, IT'S PART OF THE COMPLEX.
I SAID, NOW WE'LL JUST FINISH IT.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE DOING IT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NICE AND SLOW AND THERE'S NO CARDS I CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
THAT'LL BE SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT IT LATER.
AND THEN ON THE AMHERST BOULEVARD, BUFFERED BIKE LANES AND SIDEWALK, UM, I THINK PART OF THIS HAS SOME SIDEWALK, BUT THE BUFFERED BIKE LANE WOULD, UM, IT'S KIND OF LIKE IN THE PICTURE SHOWN WHERE YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A, OF JUST PAVEMENT MARKING TO BUFFER THE, YOUR EDGE OF PAVEMENT FROM THE ROAD TO THE BIKE LANE ITSELF.
AND THAT WOULD BE FROM MONTEREY CIRCLE TO GLEN GREEN AVENUE.
NUMBER 28 IS ELIZABETH AVENUE FROM RACETRACK ROAD TO GLEN BURNIE.
SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE ROAD IS WIDE ENOUGH THAT ONCE IT'S POSSIBLY UNDER ANOTHER FUTURE RESURFACING THAT WE COULD GO TO A TWO-WAY PROTECTED GREENWAY SIDE PATH.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE, WHERE THERE'S KIND OF A CURB AND THAT YOU'RE ALLOWING BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIANS BOTH WAYS ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO THAT'S AN OPTION IF MAYBE THAT'S NOT ONE THAT THEY WANT TO CONSIDER.
ALTERNATIVELY YOU COULD JUST STRIKE IT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY WITH C MARKINGS AND WAYFINDING, ET CETERA.
SO WHY CAN'T THAT CONCEPT BE DONE ON TR ROAD GREEN WAY? SO I THINK IT'S RIGHT OF WAY AND THAT YOU HAVE, THERE'S, YOU ALREADY HAVE A TWO-WAY LANE WITH THE CENTER TURN LANE THAT'S NEEDED, BUT THEN ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 10 FEET ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, I DON'T THINK THE RIGHT OF WAY EXISTS.
THAT'S JUST ON ONE SIDE YOU SAY? CORRECT.
WE JUST WANTED TO SAY WE IN NORTH CAROLINA, WE TYPICALLY HAVE ONE ON EACH SIDE BECAUSE IT'S VERY CONFUSING AND YOU'RE KIND OF GOING AGAINST NC WALL WITH YOUR, AS A, AS A BICYCLE, YOU'RE A VEHICLE AND YOU SHOULD BE FOLLOWING THE VEHICLE, YOUR ROAD, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE.
HOWEVER, TRENT ROAD, TRENT BOULEVARD IS NOW ALL THE CITIES.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING, I MEAN WE COULD LOOK AT THAT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THIS IS, UM, CHESTNUT AVENUE.
SO WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT CONNECTION RIGHT AT THE PREVIOUSLY, WHICH IS THAT CIRCLE MM-HMM.
AND SO THIS PROJECT WOULD ACTUALLY CONTINUE ON MAKING THAT, UM, UM, WITH THE WAVE FINDING JUST NOTATING THAT IT IS A GREENWAY.
SO IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, IF THAT CONNECTION'S MADE, WE CAN CONTINUE ON WITH THE SIGNAGE TO GET YOU INTO PEMBROKE BACK TO COUNTRY CLUB AND THEN BACK INTO, UM, THE DOWNTOWN LEEBURG.
UM, TO ME THAT, SORRY, BUT TO ME THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT, IS THE CONNECTION SO THAT PEOPLE COULD LEGITIMATELY USE THEIR BICYCLE FOR TRANSPORTATION.
THERE'S SO MANY TIMES, I'M, I'M, I CAN'T CONTINUE ON AND I KNOW THAT ONE WOULD BE WONDERFUL YES.
UM, SO ON THIS ONE, THIS IS OVER BY, UM, ON OFF OF ACADEMIC.
IN THE LAST MATH WHEN WE WERE EVALUATING IT, WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE THE CIRCLES IT THEY'RE USING OR CONSTRUCTING NEW, UM, GREENWAYS CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE SCHOOL ON EITHER SIDE.
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ONCE THOSE CONNECTIONS ARE MADE, COULD THEN COMPLETE THE PATH THROUGH SIGNAGE, LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT THE PATH IS TO TRAVEL ON YOUR BIKE TO GET FROM TRENT CREEK ROAD TO ACADEMIC DRIVE.IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, THE TOWN IS GROWING IN THIS DIRECTION.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S A THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S DO IT RIGHT FROM THE START.
FOR THESE, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, NUMBER 31 IS ELIZABETH AVENUE AND THIS IS, UM, TAKING THE EXISTING ROAD FROM RACETRACK ROAD INTO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND THAT YOU CAN START OFF WITH SOME SIGNAGE AND SOME SHARE ROW.
AND THEN AS GROWTH HAPPENS AND IF YOUR TRAFFIC COUNTS CONTINUE TO GO UP, THEN YOU CAN INSTALL SOME TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES TO KIND OF KEEP THE TRAFFIC AT AT LOW SPEED.
SO I NEED TO COMMENT ON THIS ONE.
THIS ONE, THERE ARE SO MANY CARS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD THAT WHAT THEY PUT THE, I MEAN, ONE CAR HAS TO STOP SO THE OTHER CAR CAN GO THROUGH AND A BIKE.
I MEAN I'VE DRIVEN THIS MANY TIMES ON MY BIKE AND YEAH.
IT'S JUST HOW ARE WE EVEN PUTTING ARROWS ON THE ROAD? PEOPLE ARE GONNA COVER UP THE ARROWS WITH THEIR CARS.
THERE'S SO MANY CARS IN THERE.
WELL, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE DETAILED.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO PRIORITIZE LOCATIONS FIRST.
SO THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE GREENBRIAR PARKWAY, UM, TO PINE VALLEY.
SO IT STARTS OFF THE GREENBRIAR PARKWAY IS IN RED AND THAT'S SHOWING, UM, OF ADDING BIKE LANES.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GET TO PINE VALLEY DRIVE, THEN IT WOULD JUST GO BACK TO SIGNAGE WITH SHADOWS AND THE WAY HIDING.
I KNOW I'VE DRIVEN ON THIS 'CAUSE I WROTE YES TO IT ON MY MAP, BUT FOR SOME REASON I'M NOT PULLING IT OUT.
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE? ST.
YOU GO IN THE ENTRANCE OF GREENBRIAR.
OKAY, NOW I KNOW THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE DOWN TRENT ROAD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, I DON'T, AND, AND WE CAN DO, WE CAN WORK WITH, UM, ENGINEERING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD BE, IF THE TRAFFIC COUNTS WOULD SUBSTANTIATE GETTING RID OF A CENTER TURN LANE IN LIEU OF BIKE LANES.
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU GET RID OF CENTER TURN LANES WITH FAST TRAFFIC IS PEOPLE GET REAR-ENDED.
SO THEY'RE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
BUT THOSE ARE ALL THINGS WE CAN CONSIDER ONCE WE'VE GOT THEM IDENTIFIED.
IN EACH OF, IN FRONT OF ALL OF YOU, YOU HAVE A QR CODE.
SO IF YOU GET YOUR CAMERA OUT AND CLICK ON, USE YOUR CAMERA AND I'LL HELP YOU.
IF YOU NEED HELP, OPEN YOUR CAMERA, HOVER OVER THE QR CODE AND YOUR LITTLE THING WILL POP UP.
AND I, I WANT YOU TO IDENTIFY YOUR TOP THREE NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY PROJECTS.
SO WE'LL GIVE YOU A FEW MINUTES TO DO THAT AND THEN WE'LL TALK, WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT THE RESULTS ARE.
I GET TO TAKE THE TEST AND IN THE, UM, THE GOOGLE MAP, I ACTUALLY, UM, PUT OR THE FORM, I PUT PICTURES OF EVERYTHING WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IN CASE YOU NEED A VISUAL REMINDER.
SORRY, I ALREADY GAVE NOT ON THIS, BUT GOOD TO DO.
IT JUST TYPED IN THE, OH, THE ADDRESS FOR IT.
DO YOU NEED IT? DID YOU GET IT? GOT IT.
THE 21ST, YOU DO AN INTERVIEW PRIORITIZATION AND I SAID DO ANYTHING UNTIL SAYS ORDER OR JUST, OH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
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I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE UNLIMITED DATA PEOPLE.
IS EVERYONE KNOW? EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
DOES HE NEED HELP WITH ANYTHING? DO YOU HAVE TO HIT SUBMIT OR SOMETHING AT THE VERY BOTTOM? GONNA SCROLL ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP.
I MEAN JUST KEEP ON AT THE VERY BOTTOM IT SAYS SUBMIT.
SORRY, I MADE IT REALLY BIG WITH ALL THE PICTURES.
I WASN'T QUITE SURE IF YOU WOULD REMEMBER WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
I REALLY LIKE YOUR IDEA FOR, UH, TRAFFIC CIRCLES.
YEAH, I'M A HUGE FAN OF TRAFFIC CIRCLES.
GEORGE, GEORGE LIKES TRAFFIC CIRCLES TOO.
WELL THIS SUPPOSED TO PUT ONE, UM, DOWN BY THE HOSPITAL.
UM, IT'S ACTUALLY AS OF NOW FUNDED AT NOOSE AND MLK.
UM, BUT THERE'S THE POTENTIAL THAT THAT PROJECT MIGHT BE DECOMMITTED FUNDED JUST BECAUSE DOC HAS A SHORTAGE TO A FALL OF CASH BECAUSE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT A LONG TIME AGO.
SO, SO THE SIMMONS STREET ROAD DIET LOOKS LIKE IT'S NUMBER ONE.
ALL RIGHT, SO NUMBER NUMBER TWO IS THE COUNTRY CLUB ROAD DIET
AND THEN WE HAVE A FIVE WAY TIE.
YOU GUYS REALLY LIKE THESE TIES.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT, LET ME WRITE THESE DOWN.
SO WE'VE GOT 18, 21, WHATEVER THAT ONE IS.
29 AND 30, 31, 32 AND IS 27TH.
SO LET'S GO BACK TO, DIDN'T YOU SAY YOU LIKE MARRIED? EXCUSE ME? DIDN'T YOU SAY YOU LIKE 29? UH, YEAH, I LIKE A LOT OF THINGS.
LET'S REVIEW THE, LET'S REVIEW THE FIVE WAY TIDE AND SEE IF WE CAN MAYBE HAVE ONE COME TO THE TOP.
ALL RIGHT, SO OUT OF THE FIVE-WAY, TIDE, THIS IS MAIN STREET.
SO, AND AGAIN, ALL THESE PROJECTS ARE RELATIVELY EASY.
I WOULD SAY, UM, THE SIGNAGE AND SHARE ROOM AND ALL THAT'S REALLY EASY.
THAT'S JUST, AND WE CAN KNOCK OUT A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS BY JUST HAVING ONE CONTRACT FOR SIGNED WAY FINDING AND THEN IMPLEMENT THAT.
THE, THE TRAFFIC CIRCLES ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, COSTLY TO INSTALL JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM, BUT NOT SAYING WE CAN'T DO IT.
UM, THE NEXT ONE IS 21, WHICH IS QUEEN STREET.
AND THIS IS, LET'S SEE, IMPLEMENT A BIKE LINE, A BIKE LANE BY EITHER REMOVING PARKING OR MOVING PARKING TO ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
UM, IF NOT WE COULD, UH, TRAFFIC CALL WAY FINDING AND SHARED LANE MARKINGS, INTERSECTION CROSSINGS, ET CETERA.
WE HAVE NUMBER 27, WHICH IS THE AMHERST, UM, BOULEVARD BUFFER BIKE LANES AND SIDEWALK CHESTNUT AVENUE, LIKE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
AND THEN LASTLY IS GREENBRIER.
SO AT ANY OF THOSE FIVE, WE'LL START OFF EASY.
IS THERE, WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS AGAIN? IT'S 18, 21, 27, 29,
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AND 32.SO AGAIN, 18, 21, 27, 29, AND 32.
IS THERE ANYTHING ON THERE THAT MAYBE IS LEAST OF CONCERN THAT YOU'RE LIKE, ALL RIGHT, THAT ONE, I'M NOT THAT ONE THE OTHER, I HAVE THOSE FIVE.
THERE'S SOME OTHER ONES THAT I WOULD RATHER FOCUS ON.
CAN WE ELIMINATE ANY OF THEM? WELL, 32, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A VERY HIGHLY TRAVELED ROAD AND IT'S WIDE.
UM, AND, AND YOU'RE ONLY GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SPEED LIMIT'S ALREADY 25.
SO THAT, THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A BIG CONCERN TO ME.
YOU CAN RIDE IT AND WALK IT NOW.
I I LITERALLY RIDE IT QUEEN STREET EVERY SINGLE DAY AND IT'S WIDE ENOUGH WHERE YOU COULD KIND OF GET AROUND.
AND THE, THE PROBLEM WITH MAKING IT ONLY ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD OR THE OTHER IS THERE ARE VERY FINITE TIMES.
LIKE WHEN THE BA THEY'RE HAVING THOSE BASEBALL GAMES NOW OR WHEN THAT CHURCH IS, UM, IN SERVICE, THEY NEED BOTH SIDES.
SO THAT WOULD BE A REAL HARDSHIP, ESPECIALLY FOR THE CHURCH IF THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO USE BOTH SIDES FOR THAT TWO HOURS A WEEK.
SO FOR THIS PURPOSE, COULD WE MAYBE TAKE OFF THE LIST NUMBER 21, WHICH IS QUEEN STREET AND NUMBER 32, WHICH IS GREENBRIAR? MM-HMM.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE'RE DOWN, WE'RE DOWN TO, AGAIN, WE NEED JUST ONE.
WE HAVE MAIN STREET, WHICH IS NUMBER 18, NUMBER 27, WHICH IS THE AMHERST BOULEVARD BUFFER BIKE LANES AND NUMBER 29, WHICH IS THE CHESTNUT AVENUE.
YEAH, I HEARD YOU SAY YOU LIKED IT.
SO AMHERST, I IT'S A GOOD ONE.
I DON'T WANNA UNDERSTAND THE MAIN STREET ONE.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT, NOT THAT MAIN STREET WOULDN'T HAPPEN EVENTUALLY, BUT I MEAN, WHEN I RIDE ON MAIN STREET OR ANY OF THOSE STREETS, I DON'T NEED ANYTHING TO DIRECT ME.
I'M JUST GONNA RIDE UP AND DOWN AND GO WHEREVER I WANT.
JUST, IT'S SUCH A, SO NOT THAT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE DONE EVENTUALLY, BUT IT'S NOT MY PRIORITY.
SO ON THE FLOOR, WE HAVE TWO VOTES FOR ANN FOR NUMBER 27 AMHERST BOULEVARD TO BE OUR NUMBER THREE IN PRIORITY SPEAK.
NOW IN FOR I CAN LOOK AT THAT.
BEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK? SOUNDS GOOD.
YOU SAID THAT YOUR TREPIDATION SOUNDS EVENTUALLY.
NO, IT'S, IT'S, UH, I, I, I THINK THOSE, ESPECIALLY THE ONE THROUGH GREENBRIERS THE LEAST, UM, 'CAUSE I RIDE MY BIKE THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME.
SO THE TOP THREE THAT WE HAD IN THIS ORDER IS NUMBER 23, WHICH IS THE SIMMONS ROAD DIET NUMBER 25, WHICH IS, UM, THE FIRST STREET COUNTRY CLUB, CONTINUATION ROAD DIET.
AND THEN NUMBER 27, WHICH IS AMHERST BOULEVARD BUFFER BIKE LANES AND SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE.
YOU DON'T HAVE HOMEWORK THIS TIME.
SO THAT WAS THE BIG THING WE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT WAS THAT.
AND SO THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS THAT WE'VE GOT, WE PRIORITIZED TWO MAPS.
SO MOVING ON, JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SHARE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON THE BIKE RODEO.
UM, WE HAD TO CHANGE LOCATION, SO IT'S STILL ON AUGUST 30TH FROM FOUR 30 TO SIX 30 AT WEST NEW BERN, UM, RECREATION CENTER.
UM, I KNOW, UM, AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE BIKE, UM, IN, UM, PEDESTRIAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO HELP US ADVOCATE FOR THIS PROJECT WHERE WE GIVE OUT, UM, BIKE HELMETS AND TEACH SAFETY, UM, KIDS SAFETY TO KIDS ON THEIR BIKES.
SO SHARE THE EVENT AND I'LL, I'LL SEND OUT THE FLYER WITH, UM, THROUGH EMAIL.
YOU CAN VOLUNTEER TO BE AT THE EVENT.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON WHAT THE STATIONS LOOK LIKE, BUT IF, HOW MANY HELMETS ARE THEY GIVING OUT? SO WE, WE RECEIVED A HUNDRED BIKE HELMETS AND THERE WAS IN ANOTHER 30 I BELIEVE THAT POLICE DEPARTMENT
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HAD.SO WE HAVE ABOUT 130 HELMETS TO GIVE OUT.
UM, SO FAR WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD REPRESENTATION FROM, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY'VE GOT FIVE, THEY HAVE FIVE OFFICERS ARE GONNA BE THERE ON MANNING EVENT MANNING TABLES AND EVENTS.
THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS SOMEONE ON A BICYCLE THAT'S COMING AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET A FIRE DEPARTMENT.
APPARENTLY NEW BERN HAS CLOWNS THAT RIDE BIKES AND I SAID THEY NEED BE AT OUR EVENT.
AND SO WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THEM UP, AREN'T THEY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS? YES.
BUT DON'T TELL THE KIDS THAT THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE ALL IN GET UP.
SO, UM, BUT ANYWAY, BUT ALSO, UM, WE'RE EXPECTING ABOUT 300, THIS KIND OF THE TARGET.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, SINCE IT IS GONNA BE IN AUGUST AND IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENING, UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO, TO HELP OUT WITH THE EVENT, WE ARE TAKING DONATIONS OF WATER BOTTLES, LIKE THE, THE SMALLER ONES.
UM, UM, FLIGHTS SAID THAT THEY WERE DONATING 80 WATER, I THINK IT WAS 80 WATER BOTTLES.
AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO MAN THE BIKE STATION FOR LIKE MECHANICAL STUFF.
SO YOU WERE ASKING THE KIDS TO BRING THE BIKE SOON.
AND I THINK IT WAS 80, BUT DON'T QUOTE ME.
SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, UM, JUST LET ME KNOW AND I CAN GIVE YOU SOME MORE DETAILS.
AND THEN DO YOU HAVE ALL THE VOLUNTEERS YOU CAN NEED? I'M SORRY? DO YOU HAVE ALL THE VOLUNTEERS? NO, WE, WE ALWAYS NEED VOLUNTEERS.
WE HAVEN'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL LIKE CONFIRM STATIONS YET.
WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT.
BUT UM, EVERYTHING'S TO GO, WE'VE GOT THE LOCATION LOCKED IN AND WE'RE WORKING ON KONA ICE IS GOING TO BE THERE SO THE KIDS CAN HAVE BUY SOME, SOME FLAVORED ICE.
AND UM, I ALSO WANTED TO SHARE THE, THE UM, T-SHIRT THAT ONE OF THE LADIES WORE THAT WAS CELEBRATING HOW EMERALD ISLE RAISED SOME FUNDS.
UM, AND SO THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY, UM, IF YOU MAY RECALL, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EVERYONE LOVED THE IDEA, BUT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WE NEED, IN ORDER TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE REALLY NEED SOMEONE LIKE AS A NON-PROFIT TO ESTABLISH A 5 0 1 3 C TO COLLECT THE FUNDS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT I WANTED TO PUT IT IN THE POWERPOINT JUST SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT THEY DID.
SO THEN AT A FUTURE DATE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE THINGS OVER THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE YEAR, WE CAN CIRCLE BACK ON THIS ONCE WE'VE GOT SOME TRACTION ON LISTING OUR PRODUCTS.
SO WE, THIS IS
BUT I THINK, AND I THINK IT'S, IN MY OPINION, I THINK IT'S MORE THAN JUST A PATH.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE OF A MARKETING CAMPAIGN.
UM, I THINK ONCE YOU OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
ONCE YOU CAN IDENTIFY ALL THE DIFFERENT PATHS IN NEW BERN THAT YOU CAN GIVE THEM A NAME, YOU CAN BRAND 'EM.
YOU CAN, UM, REALLY ENCOURAGE THE BIKERS AND WALKERS AND REALLY BECOME A MORE, UM, UM, ACCEPTING MODE OF TRANSPORTATION.
SO I, IN MY OPINION, I THINK IT COULD BE MORE, MUCH MORE THAN JUST A PATH.
IN THEIR CASE IT WAS EASY FOR THEM.
HERE'S OURS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
BUT I MEAN THAT'S, AND I'VE SEEN THAT WHERE, YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES WHERE YOU MAKE THE CONNECTIVITY AND YOU CALL IT, YOU KNOW, THE BLUE PATH OR WHATEVER, AND THEN THERE'S SIGNAGE TO GET YOU ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BLUE CAP.
UM, AND THEY HAVE LIKE MARKINGS OF HOW FAR YOU'VE GONE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I THINK YOU WOULD GET FANTASTIC SUPPORT IF PEOPLE KNEW THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING EVEN EXISTED, WHICH I, I DOUBT VERY MANY PEOPLE DO.
SO THIS, THESE WOULD HELPFUL IN THAT PART.
SO CAN I ASK YOU, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP OF FORMING THAT 5 0 3 B? I KNOW WHAT THAT TAX BREAK? NO, I DON'T.
NO, I KNOW, BUT DID I SAY THE RIGHT ONE? IT'S 5 0 1 3 C 5 0 1, 3 C
SO, SO NORMALLY IN ORDER AND I HAVE VERY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE, I THINK, UM, ALDERMAN BRISSON COULD SHARE WITH US A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, I THINK IN THAT CASE YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE LIKE A BOARD.
UM, YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH BYLAWS AND YOU HAVE TO GO GET INCORPORATED.
AND SO WOULD THAT BE LIKE ANOTHER COMMITTEE THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED THROUGH UM, NEW VERN AND
COULD WE PARTNER WITH A NONPROFIT THAT'S OPERATING? COULD SWISS BAY RECEIVE THE FUNDS? YEAH.
I THINK THESE ARE ALL GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, I THINK THAT'S WHERE, WHEN THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD HAVE A WHOLE MEETING ON, JUST BRAINSTORMING.
BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO START THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY IN PLACE TO HELP US.
BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET SOME FUNDS GOING FOR EVEN THIS BEARS ALREADY IN PLACE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? MM-HMM.
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OKAY.AND BUT SINCE WE'RE SPEAKING OF THE EMERALD OIL TRAIL, DO YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN AWESOME TRAIL? OUR TRAIL THAT FOLLOWS THE WHOLE RIVER ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LAWSON CREE ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH IS FANTASTIC.
AND WE, A LOT OF TIMES WE COMPLAIN THAT WE DON'T HAVE WHERE AISLE DOES, BUT I THEN YOU GUYS AREN'T USING THAT TRAIL.
THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY IS BECAUSE IT'S A WONDERFUL TRAIL.
WHERE IS IT? IT'S NOT A VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD THOUGH.
IT'S IN KIND OF A NO, I MEAN IT STARTS, IT'S THE BOARDWALK ALL THE WAY THROUGH TRAIL.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MILES IT IS, BUT IT'S WONDERFUL.
AND THAT YOU COULD, WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CAN JUST, UH, BIKE TRAIL FELONY THERE? YEAH, THEY'VE HAD SOME SHOOTINGS OUT THERE.
UM, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I WRITE IT ALL THE TIME? I WRITE IT ALL TIME TOO.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THERE, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE HOUSES ARE RUN OUT THERE.
BUT I DON'T, I MEAN THERE'S THE TRAIL, THE, I DON'T SEE THAT THAT TRAIL IS SPECIFIC.
I MEAN, I SMELL DOPE WHEN I DRIVE BY IT.
WHICH IS REALLY EVERYWHERE NOW.
SO, UM, MAYBE AT A FUTURE MEETING WE COULD BRAINSTORM ABOUT WHAT, WHAT OUR HOPE IS FOR, UM, A NONPROFIT.
WHAT ARE SOME OPTIONS FOR US TO WHATEVER THE, I DON'T KNOW.
I CAN GO TALK TO SWISSAIR, UM, BUT, OR Y'ALL COULD TALK TO SOMEONE.
I MEAN WHOEVER, IF THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY PARTNER WITH.
WAIT, LET'S COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS.
UM, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT NEXT STEPS.
UM, AND AS A REMINDER WE DON'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL SEPTEMBER 9TH.
SO THAT MEANS THAT, UH, YOU HAVE TO WRITE ON YOUR CALENDAR TO COME VISIT US AT THE BIKE RODEO.
SO I'LL SEND YOU THAT FLYER SO YOU CAN SHARE WITH ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING, I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT IF ANYONE ELSE IS INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
IS THERE A FACEBOOK GONNA BE A FACEBOOK, UM, LINK TO THAT? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, I NEED TO WORK WITH COLLEEN TO SEE IF OR, OR MAYBE PARKS THAT CAN HELP US.
DO YOU GUYS NORMALLY DO FACEBOOK EVENTS? THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY TO ADVERTISE IT.
SHE TOLD ME SHE WASN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO JOIN US, BUT YES.
SO WE'LL WE CAN DEFINITELY SHARE THAT.
I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR ALLOWING THIS MEETING TO CHANGE IT TODAY TOO, SO THAT I MISS IT.
AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? UM, THIS, THIS ISN'T REALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT GROUP TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, I'VE NOTICED THAT THE LINES, THE PAINTED LINES IN THE ROAD ARE SO, LIKE YOU CAN'T SEE THEM WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING AT NIGHTTIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT RAINS.
UM, AND IT'S LIKE THAT ON MLK AND PART OF TR ROAD, BUT IT'S, UM, PRETTY DANGEROUS.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE WHERE THE, WHERE EVEN THE ROAD, UM, GOES A LOT OF TIMES THAT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING IT AT NIGHTTIME WHEN IT'S RAINING, SO.
UM, IF YOU WILL DO ME A FAVOR, UM, THE LINES AT MLK HAS BEEN A CONCERN THAT I HAD HERE PREVIOUSLY.
COULD YOU PLEASE SEND ME AN EMAIL, UM, SO I CAN FORWARD IT TO NNC DOT MAINTENANCE? YES.
TO SEE IF I CAN GET THAT RAISED UP IN, UM, PRIORITY.
AND THEN YOU SAID TRENT ROAD TOO? PARK TRENT ROAD IS, UM, YOU, SO WHERE THEY DID THAT NEW, UM, REPAVE, THAT ONE AREA, UH, TOWARD, TOWARD HARRIS TEETER AND THE PAY PARK'S NICE FOR THEN ONCE IT GETS INTO THE, THE OLD ROAD, IT'S, IT'S, YOU CAN'T EVEN HARDLY SEE HIM.
GEORGE IS ON VACATION THIS WEEK I BELIEVE.
SO I'LL TALK TO GEORGE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
WELL THANK YOU EVERYONE, UM, FOR A GREAT MEETING.
UM, AND SO MARK YOUR CALENDAR.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS SEPTEMBER IQ.