Jul 23, 2024 Board of Aldermen

IT HAS BEEN MOTION.

AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AND ANY DISCUSSION, IF LESS, IF NOT, LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN PRI.

[5. Presentation by CodeWright Planners on Land Use Ordinance Modernization Process.]

FOR THIS PROJECT ARE SHOWN HERE ON THIS SLIDE.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PRESENTATION BY CODE RIGHT PLANNERS ON LAND USE ORDINANCE MODERNIZATION PROCESS.

MR. GOFF.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, PRO TEM, BOARD MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS CHAD MEADOWS.

I'M PRINCIPAL OF CODE REC PLANNERS, AND I'M HERE TO SPEND THE NEXT 10 MINUTES OR SO, UH, GOING OVER WHERE WE ARE WITH THE RENEW NEW BERN LAND USE ORDINANCE UPDATE.

UM, AND SO WITH THAT, I WILL GET UNDERWAY, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT, BACKGROUND GOALS, ET CETERA, UH, WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE CODE ASSESSMENT STAGE.

UH, AND THEN WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.

THIS IS, UH, A SCREEN CAPTURE OF THE PROJECT WEBPAGE, AND I PUT IT UP HERE TO REMIND YOU THAT ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT I'M PRESENTING TODAY, PLUS ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE PREPARED OVER THE PROCEEDING COUPLE OF MONTHS, IS ON THIS WEBPAGE, WWW.RE NEWBURN.COM.

SO PLEASE DO CHECK THE WEBPAGE OUT.

UM, IT GIVES YOU ALL OF THE INFORMATION, INCLUDING DETAILS ON OUR NEXT TRIPS AND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

SO, UH, GREAT RESOURCE.

UH, IT'S ALSO LINKED TO CITI'S WEBPAGE, UM, AND IS A, A ONE-STOP SHOP.

OUR OBJECTIVES

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UH, THERE ARE A FEW OTHERS, BUT I WANT TO FOCUS ON, UH, OUR OBJECTIVES AND SPECIFICALLY BRINGING GREATER SUSTAINABILITY TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HERE IN NEW BERN.

UM, SUPPLEMENTING YOUR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WITH MORE GRAPHICS, BETTER GRAPHIC COMMUNICATION STRATEGIES, UH, COMMUNITY CONNECTION STRATEGIES WITH RESPECT TO ROADWAYS, WITH RESPECT TO SIDEWALKS, OPEN SPACE, LANDSCAPING, UM, DEALING WITH STORM WATER IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY.

UH, AND FINALLY, INCREASED HOUSING STRATEGIES, MORE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR YOUR RESIDENTS, UH, AND MORE HOUSING COMPATIBILITY, UH, IN TERMS OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BUILT HERE IN THE CITY.

THIS IS A COPY OF THE PROJECT WORK PROGRAM.

THERE'S 12 STEPS IN THE PROGRAM.

WE ARE ON STEP NUMBER TWO, THE CODE ASSESSMENT STEP.

UM, AND SO WE, THIS CODE ASSESSMENT, I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IN A MOMENT.

WE ARE JUST GETTING STARTED WITH THE PROJECT.

I, I WAS BACK, I WAS IN FRONT OF YOU BACK IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, UH, AT THE PROJECT INITIATION STAGE.

OKAY, HERE IS OUR PROJECT SCHEDULE, AND I REALIZE THIS IS HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN, BUT, UH, THIS IS TASK TWO, THE CODE ASSESSMENT TASK.

UH, AND WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU ON THE 23RD OF JULY TO OVERVIEW THIS DOCUMENT.

OUR NEXT TASK, THE ANNOTATED OUTLINE, THE KIND OF, UH, CRIB NOTES OR, UM, SHORTENED VERSION OF THE ANNOTATED OUTLINE WILL BE BACK BEFORE YOU IN SEPTEMBER, UH, TO REVIEW THAT.

AND I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT WITH YOU IN A MOMENT.

UM, MORE PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCES.

SO WE ARE ON SCHEDULE AND MOVING WELL, THE CODE ASSESSMENT BLUEPRINT FOR THE LUO, OKAY.

IT INCLUDES RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT TO THE CURRENT REGULATIONS.

IT ALSO INCLUDES WHAT WE CALL A POLICY GAP ANALYSIS.

THINK ABOUT YOUR LAND USE POLICY AS WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO BE WHEN IT GROWS UP.

THIS IS OUR GOAL FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO BE.

OUR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ARE THE PRIMARY TOOL FOR REALIZING OUR POLICY OBJECTIVES.

THE GAP ANALYSIS IS WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHERE WE SAY WE WANT TO BE AND WHAT OUR TOOLS WILL DELIVER FOR US.

NOW, THE SPACE IN BETWEEN, THAT'S THE GAP ANALYSIS, AND THIS IS WHAT THE CODE ASSESSMENT FOCUSES ON, IS TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS.

ALRIGHT? NOW, THE CODE ASSESSMENT INCLUDES 90 OR SO RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT TO THE CURRENT REGULATIONS.

THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ORGANIZED INTO EIGHT DIFFERENT THEMES.

WE ALSO DO A VERY EXHAUSTIVE REVIEW OF YOUR CHEMA PLAN, UH, YOUR PEDESTRIAN PLAN, OTHER FORMS OF POLICY GUIDANCE THAT INCLU THAT ADDRESS LAND USE, POLICY DECISION MAKING ASPECTS.

UH, WE ALSO REVIEW IN GREAT DETAIL YOUR CURRENT LUO, YOUR CURRENT LAND USE ORDINANCE, AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WOULD MAKE FOR CHANGE, UM, BASED ON THE PO, THE PROJECT GOALS, UH, BEST PLANNING PRACTICES, AND WHAT YOUR POLICY GUIDANCE CALLS FOR.

I'M GONNA TALK VERY QUICKLY ABOUT SOME OF THESE KEY THEMES.

OKAY? THE FIRST IS MAKING THE REGULATIONS MORE USER FRIENDLY.

UM, INTUITIVE STRUCTURE, UH, MORE NAVIGATIONAL AIDS, UH, REPLACING SOME OF THE LONG SENTENCE, THE PROS PARAGRAPHS WITH SHORT NUMBERED SENTENCES, ET CETERA.

MAKING THE DOCUMENT EASIER TO READ, EASIER TO UNDERSTAND, ENHANCING GRAPHIC COMMUNICATION, UH, A NEW, A NEW LAYOUT, MORE GRAPHICS, PROCEDURAL FLOW CHARTS, UH, MORE IMAGES OF WHAT THE STANDARDS MEAN AND HOW TO COMPLY WITH THEM.

EFFICIENT AND PREDICTABLE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCEDURES, UNIFORM PROCEDURAL STRUCTURE, ADDING, MISSING PROCEDURES THAT SHOULD BE IN YOUR CURRENT REGULATION TODAY OR THAT ARE BEING PRACTICED BUT AREN'T CODIFIED.

MORE MEASURABLE REVIEW CRITERIA, GETTING RID OF SURPRISES IN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.

ADDING INCENTIVES AND FLEXIBILITY WHERE THAT MAKES SENSE.

INCENTIVES FOR THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOUR POLICY GUIDANCE IS CALLING FOR.

FLEXIBILITY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE DIFFICULT SITES THAT REMAIN.

UM, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ARE GETTING, MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S THE BEST QUALITY THAT, THAT WE CAN HAVE.

A LOT OF THE VACANT SITES THAT ARE LEFT HERE IN NEW BERN ARE THE SITES THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO BUILD, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THERE WHERE WE'VE HAD TROUBLE APPLYING REGULATIONS.

WE NEED FLEXIBILITY.

WE NEED PRACTICAL, REAL WORLD SOLUTIONS TO HELP SOLVE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THESE DIFFICULT SITES PRESENT TO US.

OKAY? SO WE WANT TO INCORPORATE INCENTIVES AND FLEXIBILITY.

WE WANT TO BROADEN OUR FEE AND LOSE SYSTEM.

WE WE'RE SUGGESTING A, A TIERED APPROACH TO CONDITIONAL ZONING POSSIBILITY FOR SOME DENSITY BONUSES FOR, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN KINDS OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OR CERTAIN FORMS OF VERY EFFICIENT, UM, NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE IN TOWN.

SO INCENTIVES AND FLEXIBILITY RAISING THE BAR GENERALLY FOR DEVELOPMENT QUALITY.

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UM, NEW USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS, INCLUDING STANDARDS FOR SECONDARY OR ACCESSORY USES.

UH, REVIEWING THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING PROVISIONS, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE WORKING PROPERLY.

UH, REVIEWING AND UPDATING THE SIGNAGE STANDARDS, PEDESTRIAN FACILITY STANDARDS, ACCESS AND CIRCULATION, MAKING SURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT QUALITY THAT IS COMING TO NEW BERN IS OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE.

SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.

UM, INCORPORATING NATIVE PLANTS, DEALING BETTER, MORE EFFECTIVELY WITH STORM WATER.

UH, HAVING MORE OPEN SPACE INCENTIVES FOR TREE PRESERVATION.

UM, DISINCENTIVES FOR MASS GRADING, LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES THAT HELP US DEAL BETTER WITH THE STORM WATER THAT'S FALLING ON THE COMMUNITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL'S WEATHER IS CHANGING.

I LIVE IN DURHAM.

OUR WEATHER'S CHANGING.

UM, AND IT'S TIME FOR US TO START GETTING SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT THAT.

UH, WE'RE SUGGESTING FIRE WISE, UH, PROVISIONS TO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GREATER PREVALENCE OF FIRES THAT WE'RE SEEING.

SO IT'S NOT JUST THE RAIN, IT'S ALSO OTHER ASPECTS OF THE CLIMATE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH.

MORE HOUSING OPTIONS, GENERALLY A WIDER RANGE OF BY RIGHT HOUSES, UH, MORE SMALL LOTS, SMALL LOT, UH, SMALL HOUSE, SMALL LOT OPTIONS FOR FOLKS.

UM, PERHAPS EXPANDING ALLOWANCES FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

UM, EASING SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PATH FOR MULTIFAMILY INAPPROPRIATE LOCATIONS, PROMOTING LIVE WORK, UM, INCENTIVES FOR PROVISION OF ATTAINABLE OR AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR FOLKS.

OKAY, SO THOSE ASPECTS, MODERNIZING THE USES IN THE ZONING MAP.

AND I'LL MENTION FOR A SECOND THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING MAKING CHANGES TO THE ZONING MAP.

THERE ARE A VARIETY OF OVERLAY ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE HERE IN NEW BERN THAT HAVE DEVELOPED OVER THE COURSE OF TIME.

WE'RE NOW AT A PLACE WHERE THE APPLICATION OF THESE NUMEROUS DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS HAS MADE THE REGULATORY REVIEW PROCESS OVERLY COMPLEX.

STAFF IS HAVING A HARD TIME EXPLAINING IT.

YOUR RESIDENTS ARE HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING IT, AND IT'S TIME TO SIMPLIFY THINGS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO IS SIMPLIFY THAT.

TURN SOME OF THESE OVERLAY DISTRICTS INTO BASIC STANDARDS.

TURN SOME OF THESE OVERLAY ZONING DISTRICTS INTO NEW BASE DISTRICTS.

WE ARE NOT GETTING RID OF THE GOOD STANDARDS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BUILT OVER TIME.

WHAT WE ARE DOING IS TRYING TO SIMPLIFY THE PROCESS AND MAKE IT MORE CLEAR.

OKAY? SO OVERALL, YOU'RE LOOKING AT FEWER ZONING DISTRICTS, BETTER STANDARDS, MORE CLEAR DISCUSSION OF WHAT'S REQUIRED, WHAT THE PURPOSE AND INTENT IS, AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WITH THE PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT.

ALSO, SOME MODERNIZED USE PROVISIONS, REPLACING YOUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A TWO, WITH A TWO TIERED CONDITIONAL REZONING PROCESS.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, CONVERTING YOUR HISTORIC OVERLAY INTO A, A BASE ZONING DISTRICT.

SO A, A FAIR AMOUNT OF CHANGE HERE WITH RESPECT TO THE ZONING MAP.

UM, AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT ONE OF THE MAIN, UH, ASPECTS OF OUR PROJECT IS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

UM, CERTAINLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ZONING MAP CHANGES, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND OWN PROPERTY ARE GONNA BE VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE NUMEROUS OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY IN DIFFERENT SETTINGS IN DIFFERENT WAYS, WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DIGITALLY OR IN PERSON, ET CETERA.

UM, OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY CAN COME TO THE END OF THIS PROJECT AND SAY, I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, OR I DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE.

THAT WOULD BE A FAILURE ON OUR PART.

AND WE DON'T, WE, WE ARE, WE'RE NOT INTO FAILURE.

SO WE'RE GONNA BE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE AS WE BEGIN TO DISCUSS SOME OF THESE CHANGES, LIKE THOSE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES I'M SUGGESTING FOR YOUR ZONING MAP.

TO, UH, OVERVIEW THE DOCUMENT WITH THEM IN PERSON.

ALONG THOSE LINES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MENTION TO YOU TODAY IS THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING, UM, A PUBLIC FORUM TO REVIEW THIS CODE ASSESSMENT DOCUMENT ON AUGUST 14TH FROM SIX 30 TO 8:00 PM IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CONFERENCE ROOM ON FIRST STREET.

WE ARE WANTING TO HAVE A PUBLIC FORUM.

WE'LL OVERVIEW THE DOCUMENT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE'LL HAVE A COPY OF THE ZONING MAP THERE, AND WE'LL ASK PEOPLE TO SHARE WITH US ANY THOUGHTS OR IDEAS THAT THEY HAVE ABOUT THE CURRENT ZONING MAP.

AND SO THAT IS THE NEXT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION OPPORTUNITY.

UM, WE EXPECT TO POST THE, UH, FINALIZED VERSION OF THE CODE ASSESSMENT DOCUMENT BEFORE AUGUST 1ST.

SO IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, WE'LL BE PUTTING THE DOCUMENT UP, MAKING IT AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO REVIEW.

UM, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK ON THE 14TH OF AUGUST

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OUR NEXT TRIP AFTER THAT IS THE ANNOTATED OUTLINE, SO SORT OF DRESS REHEARSAL FOR THE NEW LUO.

UM, WE WOULD EXPECT TO, TO WANT TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOU GUYS, HOPEFULLY IN A WORK SESSION SETTING.

UM, AND WE'LL WORK WITH, UH, CITY ADMINISTRATION ABOUT THE DATE, UH, FOR A TIME THAT WORKS WITH YOU.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU TODAY.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

YES.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, SO AT, AT THIS POINT, UM, YOU WORKING ALONG BESIDE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? YES, MA'AM.

STEP BY STEP? YES.

OR OKAY.

YOU ARE IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY? YES, MA'AM.

WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS.

WE'RE WORKING WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

UM, AND AS WE CONTINUE IN THE PROCESS, WE'LL CONTINUE TO REACH OUT TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.

UH, WE EXPECT TO BE WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVES, ET CETERA.

SO WE REALLY DO WANT TO, TO HAVE EVERYBODY BE INVOLVED IN THIS.

UM, AND, AND I KNOW WHEN YOU WAS MENTIONING YOUR, YOUR DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES, UM, WHAT REALLY IS, UM, I HOLD REAL DEARLY WITHIN MY HEART, WITHIN MY AREA, UM, IS THAT THE FLOOD AREA? MM-HMM, .

SO AT WHAT POINT ARE YOU WITH, UM, YOUR INFORMATION GATHERING OR WHATEVER, ABOUT THE DIFFERENT, UH, I'M NOT JUST GONNA SAY, UH, THE DUFFY FIELD COMMUNITY, BUT THE FLOOD MITIGATION OR HOWEVER YOU ARE HANDLING THAT WITHIN THE CITY? RIGHT.

THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE FLOOD STANDARDS ARE UNIQUE IN THAT THEY'RE HANDED TO US BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

SO WE, UH, BASICALLY IMPLEMENT FEMA STANDARDS THROUGH, THROUGH THE STATE.

AND IT'S ONE OF THE FEW RANGES OF STANDARDS WHERE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO ARE FAIRLY LIMITED BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTA REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH, WITH FEDERAL LAW.

IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT TO US THAT THE, THE COMBINATION, THE CONFLATION OF THE FLOOD STANDARDS WITH THE HISTORIC STANDARDS HAVE BEEN MAKING IT VERY DIFFICULT TO REACH OUR REDEVELOPMENT GOALS.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO SORT THROUGH THAT AND FIGURE THAT OUT.

NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, FOR US, FOR NEW BERN, FOR ALL COMMUNITIES IN THE UNITED STATES, THE FLOOD REGULATIONS ARE FEDERALLY MANDATED, AND THEY'RE NOT OPEN FOR A LOT OF CHANGE.

WE'VE GOTTA WORK WITH THEM AT, ON THEIR FACE.

NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME CREATIVITY AND WE HOPE TO APPLY THAT WHERE WE CAN.

UM, AND SO I, I KNOW THAT'S NOT A GREAT ANSWER TO THE QUESTION EXCEPT TO SAY WE'RE AWARE THAT THE CON THAT THE WAY THE FLOOD STANDARDS ARE WORKING WITH THE REST OF THE CITY REGULATIONS IS, IS BECOMING A CONFLICT, AND IT'S GETTING IN THE WAY OF US ACHIEVING OUR GOALS.

AND SO FIGURING OUT A WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT IS, IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING INTO NOW.

AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS THIS.

I KNOW THERE WAS A, A SESSION HERE WHERE YOU SAID YOU WAS GONNA BE ADDING A NEW, UM, REDEVELOPMENT YES, MA'AM.

WITHIN THE, UH, FIVE POINTS AREA.

CAN YOU ABSOLUTELY EXPLAIN THAT, PLEASE? I'M VERY HAPPY TO.

YES.

IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT THE, THE CITY IS IMPLEMENTING THE REDEVELOPMENT PROVISIONS IN THE FIVE POINTS AREA IS THROUGH A OVERLAY DISTRICT.

AND SO THIS OVERLAY DISTRICT IS A SET OF PROVISIONS, SETBACKS, CONFIGURATION REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE APPLIED IN ADDITION TO THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT PROVISIONS THAT ALSO HAVE SETBACKS AND USE STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST DOING IS ACTUALLY TAKING THE REDEVELOPMENT OVERLAY DISTRICT AND TURNING IT INTO A NEW BASE ZONING DISTRICT SO THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT OVERLAY DISTRICT IS SIMPLER, IT'S EASIER TO ADMINISTER, AND WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL OVER THE KINDS OF SETBACKS THAT WE WOULD HAVE, THE KINDS OF DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WOULD APPLY TO BUILDINGS, THE RANGE OF USES THAT WE WOULD SUGGEST BE USED, AND HOW A LOT DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS ARE CONFIGURED.

SO WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY, WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL, WE GET A LITTLE BIT LESS COMPLEXITY, AND THAT'S OUR HOPE.

WE'VE, UH, WE, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH MR. HOLDEN, UH, LAST TRIP, THIS TRIP.

AND, UH, FRANKLY, HE'S EXCITED ABOUT THE, THE PROPOSITION.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO HAVE SUCCESS.

SO YOU BASICALLY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE IMPLEMENTING MORE OF AN AREA WITHIN THE ALREADY REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FOR AS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT A NEW AREA BE ADDED.

THE APPROPRIATE STATE LEGISLATION, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO BROADEN YOUR REDEVELOPMENT AREA OR, OR ESTABLISH A NEW ONE.

AND WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT NEW STANDARDS BE, BE CREATED NECESSARILY.

WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT WE TAKE THE BEST OF WHAT'S THERE AND TURN THOSE INTO BASE DISTRICT STANDARDS.

NOW, AS A BASE ZONING DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING YOU COULD ACHIEVE

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THANK YOU, SIR.

YES, MA'AM.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? JUST, UH, A COUPLE OF POINTS OF CLARIFICATION AND LY BEST THANK YOU FOR RAISING THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT.

UM, UM, 'CAUSE I, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THAT, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT A NEW REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

UM, WHAT, WHERE BASICALLY THEN, IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IS TAKING THE EXISTING AREA THAT IS ALREADY DESIGNATED AND JUST TURNING IT INTO A BASE ZONING DISTRICT INSTEAD OF AN OVERLAY WITH 10, 12, 14 BASED ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE NOW.

WE'RE NOT ADDING A BRAND NEW DISTRICT OR ANYTHING, BECAUSE THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING TO ME WHEN I SAW THAT.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE WORDING CHOICE.

WE'RE, WE'RE NOT RECREATING THE WHEEL.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE WHEEL THAT YOU HAVE ROLL A LITTLE BIT EASIER.

THE, THE PRE THAT WAS ON PAGE 19, ON PAGE 18.

UM, I, CAN GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE.

CAN YOU GO REVERSE IT BACK TO IT'S PAGE 18? I, I'M SORRY, I'M PUSHING THE WRONG BUTTON.

MY APOLOGIES.

18.

18, YEAH.

IF YOU GO TO THE BOTTOM, THERE YOU GO.

HMM.

UH, THE FOURTH BULLET POINT DOWN WHERE IT SAYS, EASE MULTIPLE FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RENTAL USE TYPE MM-HMM.

, WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY EASE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN SURE.

WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY THAT MEANS? SO, UM, IN THIS CONTEXT THOUGH, USE OF THE TERM EASE MEANS TO GO INTO THE ESTABLISHMENT PROCEDURES FOR THESE KINDS OF USES, REVIEW THEM AND SIMPLIFY THAT PROCESS WHERE WE CAN.

AND ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE DO THAT IS BY ADDING ADDITIONAL CLARITY, ADDITIONAL STANDARDS AND DELEGATING STAFF TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS WHERE THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE YET, AND ONCE WE DO, THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, UH, AND REVISION.

BUT WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU IS THAT WE ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT EASIER IN THE APPROPRIATE PLACES TO ESTABLISH MULTIFAMILY AND WHAT I'M CALLING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RENTAL USES.

LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN BY THAT.

ONE OF THE USE TYPES THAT WE'RE NOW SEEING THAT IS NEW ARE DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN WHERE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES ARE BEING BUILT, BUT INSTEAD OF THEM BEING BUILT ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS, IT'S BUILT ON ONE LARGE TRACT.

THOSE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ARE AVAILABLE ONLY FOR RENT.

THEY ARE NOT AVAILABLE FOR FEE AND FEE.

SIMPLE PURCHASE.

THIS IS A NEW USE TYPE.

IT IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, A A MANUFACTURED HOME PARK, EXCEPT THEY'RE SITE-BUILT HOMES, NOT MANUFACTURED HOMES.

THEY'RE NOT ON THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL LOTS.

THEY'RE NOT ON LEASEHOLDS, THEY'RE ON ONE PARCEL THAT'S OWNED BY ONE AGENCY WHO RENTS THOSE HOMES TO PEOPLE WHO, UH, ARE LOOKING TO LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

THIS IS A NEW USE TYPE.

IT'S, IT'S BEEN IN PLACE IN FLORIDA AND CALIFORNIA.

IT'S NOW STARTING TO BE BUILT HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA.

IT'S NOT A USE THAT'S ENVISIONED IN YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO EASE THE ABILITY TO ESTABLISH THAT KIND OF A USE TYPE HERE IN NEW BERN, ASSUMING OBVIOUSLY THAT THE ALDERMAN ARE ACCEPTABLE WITH THAT, WITH THAT KIND OF USE TYPE, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SEEING MORE OF.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT SECOND PART OF THAT SENTENCE MEANS.

WELL THAT, IT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MUCH MORE DETAIL SURE.

ON ABSOLUTELY.

AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

AND I ASSUME THAT WE WILL GET THAT OH, AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

CAN YOU MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE? I THINK IT WAS 19.

IS THIS THE ONE, UM, UH, MAYBE I MUST HAVE SEEN IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

UM, UM, WASN'T THAT, THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT ADDRESSED THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAYS.

SO THE THIRD BULLET DOWN FROM THE BOTTOM, UM, OR UP FROM THE BOTTOM, I GUESS, CONVERT THE HISTORIC OVERLAY INTO A BASE DISTRICT.

SO WE, SO A LITTLE CONFUSING, UH, SURE.

TO THAT WHERE, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT, IF I UNDERSTAND THAT TAKING THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS AND WHEN IT SAYS, AND KIND OF CONVERTING THAT INTO THE BAY, A BASE DISTRICT, UM, TO ME, BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT SURE.

BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OVERLAY DISTRICTS AND THE DOWN RIVERSIDE.

T RIVERSIDE, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANY PORTION OF DUFFY FIELD IS PART OF AN OVERLAY.

SO DOES THIS MEAN THAT

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I'M NOT SURE.

BUT DO THEY BECOME THE SAME AS THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT CONVERTING IT TO A BASE DISTRICT? RIGHT, RIGHT.

GREAT, GREAT QUESTIONS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I, THIS IS, UM, I I I WON'T CALL THIS A BLEEDING EDGE FRONTIER, BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY OUT FRONT KIND OF THINKING.

UM, WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING BE DONE, UM, IS THAT YOU TAKE YOUR LOCAL HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH FUNCTIONS AS AN OVERLAY DISTRICT.

THERE ARE UNDERLYING BASE ZONING DISTRICT DESIGNATIONS BENEATH IT AND REZONING THAT LAND TO HISTORIC, TO A NEW ZONING DISTRICT CALLED HISTORIC.

THE BOUNDARY CONTINUES TO FOLLOW THE CURRENT LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT BOUNDARY.

WE DON'T CHANGE ANY OF THAT.

'CAUSE THE STATE NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS, AS DO THE PEOPLE WHO OWN LAND INSIDE THE BOUNDARY.

OUR OBJECTIVE HERE IS TO CONSOLIDATE THE STANDARDS, FIND THOSE THINGS THAT FIT, UM, AND INCLUDE THOSE IN THE LOCAL HISTORIC BASE DISTRICT, THE COA PROCESS, THE HPC.

NONE OF THAT CHANGES.

NOW, THE NEXT QUESTION YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING READY TO ASK ME IS, WELL, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT USE TYPES IN ONE OF THE TWO LOCAL HISTORIC OVERLAYS.

ONE'S ALL RESIDENTIAL.

SO THAT'S NOT A, NOT A BIG LIFT FOR US.

THAT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE PROCESS.

ONE HAS COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, AND WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS? WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THE USES? THESE ARE VERY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS, AND WE AGREE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE EXPLORING IS THE POSSIBILITY OF A SUBDISTRICT FLAVOR.

SO YOU'VE GOT A HISTORIC COMMERCIAL AND A HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL.

UM, AND WE USE THOSE NOMENCLATURE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN MAJOR USE TYPES IN THE LOCAL HISTORIC BASED DISTRICT.

AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE STATUS OF OUR THINKING, THE EVOLUTION OF OUR THINKING ON THIS POINT.

YOU KNOW, IN THE GAME, THE GUIDING PREMISE BEHIND ALL OF THIS CHANGE IS TO STRIP OUT THE COMPLEXITY OF THE OVERLAYS ZONING DISTRICTS WHILE KEEPING THE GOOD QUALITY STANDARDS THAT ARE, THAT OPERATE WITHIN THOSE OVERLAYS.

SO THAT WHEN SOMEBODY ASKS, I OWN A PROPERTY IN DUFFY FIELD, WHAT ARE THE RULES THAT I HAVE TO FOLLOW? UH, A PERSON CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION WITHOUT HAVING TO LOOK IN SEVEN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AT SEVEN DIFFERENT SETS OF STANDARDS BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT OVERLAYS THAT COME TO COME INTO PLAY AND INTERACT WITH ONE ANOTHER AND CREATE A REAL WEB OF COMPLEXITY AND POTENTIALLY EVEN SOME UNINTENDED NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES FOR THOSE LANDOWNERS.

WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

AND ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IS BY CONVERTING SEVERAL OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS EITHER INTO STANDARDS THEMSELVES OR INTO BASE ZONING DISTRICTS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, I WOULD EXPECT THAT, UM, ANY RESIDENTS LIVING IN THE OVER THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICTS MIGHT HAVE CONCERNS AS TO WHAT THE POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THIS PROVISION WOULD HAVE ON THEM.

AND IT MIGHT NOT BE A LOT, BUT THEY, IT NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED, I THINK WILL NEED TO BE EXPLAINED VERY CAREFULLY TO PEOPLE.

INDEED.

UM, BUT THE FOLLOW UP TO THAT IS HOW DO YOU NOTIFY ALL OF THESE RESIDENTS OF THIS POTENTIAL CHANGE AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE EDUCATED ON WHAT IT MEANS? AND THAT'S GREAT.

GREAT QUESTION.

AND THAT'S GONNA FALL BACK ONTO THE CITY SOMEHOW TO GET WORD OUT.

UM, OTHERWISE, UH, I CAN SEE THIS ROOM BEING FILLED BY A LOT OF ANGRY RESIDENTS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

UH, AND, AND, AND THE BOARD, THIS BOARD NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND IT, UM, UPFRONT.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF EDUCATION THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO TAKE PLACE, ESPECIALLY WITH A PROVISION LIKE THIS.

I SUSPECT THAT WE'LL ALL DO A SIM, WE'LL DO A SIMILAR SORT OF THING WITH THIS ANNOTATED OUTLINE THING.

SO WE AGREE.

HOPEFULLY THAT'S BUILT INTO THIS POLL PROCESS.

IT IS, IT IS.

UH, I CAME BEFORE YOU GUYS IN FEBRUARY AND I LAID OUT THAT PROCESS.

I SHOWED YOU THE WORK PROGRAM SLIDE WITH THE 12 STEPS IN IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ANTICIPATING, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, EIGHT TRIPS TO NEW BERN.

SEVERAL OF THOSE ARE MULTI-DAY TRIPS.

WE, WE BUILT THE WEBPAGE WITH THE IDEA THAT THIS WOULD BE A, A, A JUMPING OFF POINT OF INFORMATION.

WE'RE INCORPORATING THESE OFFICE HOUR VISITS EVERY TIME WE COME TO TOWN.

WE MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND TALK WITH US ABOUT ANY QUESTION THAT THEY HAVE.

WE'RE DOING THIS PUBLIC FORUM, WHICH IS NOT IN THE SCOPE, BUT WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ADD THIS INTO THE PROCESS.

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SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING.

UM, WE'RE OPEN TO PEOPLE'S IDEAS ABOUT HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS ISSUE, THIS PROBLEM, AND, AND MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WORK FOR EVERYBODY WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, UH, PROTECTING, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ESTABLISHED AND MAKING SURE THAT COMPATIBILITY REIGNS SUPREME.

SO I, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS WILL TAKE EDUCATION AND IT WILL TAKE OUTREACH AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME AND, AND, AND, AND LEARN ABOUT THE PROJECT.

UM, WE'LL MAKE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE, AND WE SINCERELY HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND NOT WAIT, AND NOT SIT IN THE BACKGROUND AND THEN SHOW UP IN THIS ROOM AND GREET WITHOUT HAVING HEARD, UM, ABOUT WHY WE'RE SUGGESTING WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING AND WHAT THE BENEFITS MIGHT BE.

SO THAT'S OUR HOPE, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THE HORSE TO DRINK FROM THE TROUGH WHEN THE TIME COMES.

ONE LAST REAL QUICK QUESTION, UM, IN THE TIMELINE THAT YOU OPENED UP WITH, UM, FOR PHASE TWO, DID YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING YESTERDAY? WE DID NOT.

AND, AND SO WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS MOVE THAT TO, TO EIGHT 14.

UM, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT STAFF HAD AMPLE TIME TO REVIEW WHAT WE HAD SUGGESTED.

WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE'D HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR FROM FOLKS WHO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, UH, BEFORE WE MAKE THE FINAL REVISIONS TO THE CODE ASSESSMENT AND PRESENT IT TO THE PUBLIC.

SO WE FELT LIKE WE NEEDED A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME.

SO, OFFICE HOURS TODAY, PUBLIC FORUM IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

NOW, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF HE HAD IT, WHETHER ANYBODY SHOWED UP, BUT, SO I, I, I'M BEGINNING TO THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA SHOW UP.

IT'S, IT'S PRETTY COMMON NOT TO SEE FOLKS COME TO THESE SORTS OF THINGS GENERALLY, BUT I'M HOPING THAT NEW BERN HAS, UH, YOU KNOW, MOTIVATED POPULATION AND THAT FOLKS WILL CHOOSE TO AVAIL THEMSELVES.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL FIND US TO BE A, A, A, A WILLING LISTENER, A WILLING PARTNER, UH, AND IF THEY'VE GOT SUGGESTIONS, WE'RE ALL EARS.

WE APPRECIATE THAT, MR. MEADOWS.

THANK, ABSOLUTELY.

THANK, THANK YOU.

DID YOU, DID YOU GIVE A DATE FOR WHEN THE PUBLIC MEETING WILL BE AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? AUGUST 14TH.

AUGUST 14TH AT 6:30 PM SIX 30 TO EIGHT.

AND WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A PROBLEM OF NOT HAVING ENOUGH CHAIRS.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION.

FROM ALL THE OBJECTIVES THAT YOU'VE LAID OUT AND YOU'VE OUTLINED, WHAT IS THE MOST IMMEDIATE NEXT STEP? THE MOST IMMEDIATE NEXT STEP IS FOR US TO PRESENT THESE 90 RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE CODE ASSESSMENT TO THE PUBLIC AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK.

THAT'S THE MOST IMMEDIATE NEXT STEP.

OUR NEXT STEP WITH YOU WITH THIS BODY IS WORK SESSION TO REVIEW THE ANNOTATED OUTLINE, THE CLIFF NOTES VERSION OF THE UDO WITH SOME OF THE DETAIL ABOUT PERMITTED USES, SOME OF THE DETAIL ABOUT PROCEDURES AND SOME OF THE DETAIL ABOUT THE ZONING DISTRICT TRANSLATIONS THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING.

THAT'S NEXT.

AND WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT WITH YOU IN THE EARLY PART OF SEPTEMBER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU GUYS AGAIN.

ITEM NUMBER SIX, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE 3 4 0 2 AND 3 4 0 2 DASH A TRENT ROAD FROM C3 SLASH SLASH C FOUR TO C3 MR. GOFF EVENING MAYOR PRO TEMP AND BOARD.

[6. Conduct a Public Hearing and Consider Adopting an Ordinance to Rezone 3402 and 3402-A Trent Road from C3/ C4 to C3.]

SO OUR ITEM FOR THIS HEARING IS, UH, THE REZONING OF 34 0 2 AND 34 0 2 A TRENT ROAD.

THAT CASE NUMBER IS REZ 28 70 DASH 2024.

THE REQUEST SUMMARY, THE APPLICANT IS TARGET BUILDING SYSTEMS, AND THE OWNER IS TYSON AND HEINZ INVESTMENTS.

AGAIN, THIS IS LOCATED ALONG TRENT ROAD, AND THE PARCEL IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS ARE SHOWN.

THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THESE TWO PROPERTIES, THEY'RE CURRENTLY SPLIT ZONED.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS BOTH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS.

THEY BOTH HAVE C3 AND C FOUR.

THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT IS TO REZONE THOSE TWO PROPERTIES TO JUST C3, THOSE PARCELS TOTAL, UH, 1.89 ACRES.

THIS VICINITY MAP SHOWS ITS LOCATION, IT'S IN BETWEEN TWO STREETS, UH, AND IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TRENT ROAD.

THIS, UH, THIS PHOTO SHOWS BOTH THE SIGN OF THE BUSINESS AS WELL AS OUR PUBLIC NOTIFICATION.

WE POSTED THE

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SIGN ON THE PROPERTY ON JULY 9TH, AND THIS VICINITY MAP SHOWS A BUFFER, WHICH SHOWS ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET THAT WERE NOTIFIED WITH MAILED NOTICE.

AND THIS SUMMARY OF THE C FOUR ZONING DISTRICT, IT IS A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

IT IS CENTERED AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIZE COMMERCIAL USES, SO YOUR CONVENIENCE STORES AND GENERAL RETAILING OF GOODS ON A SMALLER SCALE.

THE C3 ZONING DISTRICT OFFERS MORE TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL USES THAT YOU FIND ALONG MORE BUSIER CORRIDORS.

UH, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY HIGHWAY VOLUME.

SO IT'S, IT'S SUITABLE FOR AREAS OF GROWTH AND POPULATION CONCENTRATION.

THIS USE COMPARISON TABLE SHOWS TYPICAL USES THAT ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT, AS WELL AS SPECIAL USE IN BOTH ZONING DISTRICTS.

SOME ARE SIMILAR, SOME ARE DIFFERENT.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE SIMILAR, UM, SUCH AS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLINGS, BOTH OF THOSE HAVE THOSE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.

AND A LOT OF THE RETAILING USES ARE ALSO PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.

SOME THINGS THAT DIFFER MIGHT BE, UH, IN THE C FOUR ZONING DISTRICT.

NO SUBSTANTIAL CARRYOUT SERVICE, NO OUTSIDE CONSUMPTION.

UH, SOME OTHER THINGS YOU MIGHT FIND AT THE VERY BOTTOM C3 ALLOWS FOR MARINAS BY RIGHT.

C FOUR ALLOWS THEM BY SPECIAL USE.

SO THERE ARE MINOR DIFFERENCES.

EXCUSE ME.

CAN, MAY I INTERJECT I BEFORE YOU? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE PLEASE? YES, MA'AM.

WHAT CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT IS, UM, PERMITTED BY, RIGHT.

WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO ON THIS PARTICULAR TABLE, UH, ANYTHING THAT IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

SHOWS A Z OKAY.

AND WHEN THAT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT, YOU DO A STANDARD PERMITTING PROCESS, YOU WOULD FILL OUT AN APPLICATION WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WE WOULD REVIEW THAT APPLICATION, AND WE WOULD HAVE, IN THE CASE OF SOMETHING COMMERCIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WOULD HAVE A DRC COMMITTEE MEETING.

UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES THAT HAVE A ROLE AT THAT TABLE WILL PRESENT WHAT REQUIREMENTS, UH, NEED TO BE MET, IF ANY.

AND WE WOULD ADDRESS THOSE BEFORE BEING GRANTED, UH, THE ABILITY TO APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING AS A SPECIAL USE, UH, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

AND SO THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING MAP.

UH, THE TWO PROPERTIES ARE OUTLINED IN BLUE.

UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S SPLIT FROM THE LEFT SIDE AND THE RIGHT SIDE.

THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT COLORS.

SO THE LEFT SIDE, THE LIGHTER PINK IS C FOUR, AND THE RIGHT SIDE IS C3.

THAT'S THE EXAMPLE WE'RE TRYING TO SET, UH, WITH THE SPLIT ZONING.

SO IF APPROVED, UH, BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES WOULD BE JUST THE DARK RED AND THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY THAT THIS IS IDENTIFIED AS IS DEVELOPED.

UH, SO THESE USES ARE TYPICAL WITHIN THE DEVELOPED CATEGORY OF OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

AND THIS SUMMARY GOES OVER EXACTLY WHAT THE DEVELOPED CATEGORY SHOWS IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

UH, SO SOME EXAMPLES OF THIS WOULD BE HIGHER DENSITIES FOR RESIDENTIAL USES, SUCH AS MULTIFAMILY AND PLAN DEVELOPMENTS.

UH, THE INTENSITY VARY BASED ON THE ZONING DISTRICT, HOWEVER, SO ALTHOUGH WE'RE CALLING THIS DEVELOPED AND IT ENCOURAGES DEVELOPMENT, THE BAY ZONING DISTRICT STILL, UH, REGULATE WHAT'S ACTUALLY ALLOWED AND HOW INTENSE THAT'S ALLOWED.

AND AGAIN, THE AERIAL IMAGERY OF THIS PROPERTY SHOWS THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY BUILDINGS ON THIS PROPERTY.

UH, IN THE PREVIOUS PHOTOS OF THE SIGN, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE BUSINESS THAT IS PRESENT.

AND THIS IS ACROSS FROM, UM, I BELIEVE THIS IS ACTUALLY A PEDIATRICS, UH, BUSINESS OF DERMATOLOGY, DENTAL DERMATOLOGY, DERMATOLOGY, EASTERN DERMATOLOGY IS ACROSS THE STREET.

AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE SITE.

YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING BUILDING AS WELL AS ITS SIDE.

SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR THIS ITEM.

UH, THE MEETING FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD WAS HELD ON JUNE 20TH, AND IT WAS VOTED FORWARD TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

AND THAT WAS UNANIMOUS.

UH, AND THIS RECOMMENDATION WAS BEING, WAS BASED ON IT BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AS WELL AS ITS 2022 UPDATE.

UH, THE PROPERTIES ARE ADJACENT TO EXISTING THREE C3 ZONING DISTRICT PROPERTIES.

UH, BUT IT IS ALSO ADJACENT TO R 10 AS WELL AS C FOUR.

AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS IF THE BOARD WOULD HAVE ANY.

CAN YOU, COULD YOU GO BACK TO A MAP? 'CAUSE I JUST WANTED TO SEE, UM, WITHIN THE AREA IS IT BASICALLY CONSISTS OF, ALREADY CONSISTS OF MORE C3 THAN, WAS IT TOBY ALLOT? SO TO THE SOUTHWEST THERE IS MORE C OR I'M SORRY, TO THE SOUTHWEST, THERE'S MORE C FOUR TO THE EAST, THERE'S C3.

IF WE'RE JUMPING OVER THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S ZONE R 10, YOU'LL SEE SOME MORE C3 AS WELL.

THE ROAD IN WHITE, THAT ISN'T WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE COUNTY.

AND ACROSS

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SO THE YELLOW IS RESIDENTIAL AND THE RED IS CORRECT.

C OKAY.

YES, MA'AM.

GI, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THESE PROPERTY, THIS PROPERTY IS THE TWO LOTS BACK UP TO RESIDENTIAL AND ALSO, UH, HAVE RESIDENTIAL AS A, A SIDE NEIGHBOR, AND THE REQUEST IS TO GO TO C3, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN INTENSIVE, POTENTIALLY A LITTLE MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE IN TERMS OF BEING, HOW IS IT PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED? SO FOR THE, FOR A STRAIGHT REZONING, WE AREN'T ACTUALLY ASKED, WE, WE DON'T ASK EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

CONVERSATIONS MIGHT BE HAD OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT ZONING DISTRICT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR A CERTAIN BUSINESS.

BUT THAT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S DISCLOSED ON THE APPLICATION AS THAT'S NOT PART OF A STRAIGHT REZONING PROCESS.

WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND, AND THAT'S PART OF THE CONCERN I HAVE, IS THAT I UNDERSTAND PLANNING AND ZONING IS, IS NOT ALLOWED PURSUANT TO STATE STATUTE TO ASK.

UM, BUT GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS IS A REQUEST LIKE THIS IS COMING BEFORE THIS BODY, I HAD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE NEIGHBORS, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE ASKING TO GO TO A MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

SO I'M GONNA BE HARD PRESSED TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT'S BEING PLANNED.

YES, SIR.

THAT, THAT WOULD BE A, A QUESTION MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICANT IF THEY WISH TO DISCLOSE THAT INFORMATION.

I, I DON'T BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS, IS YES, SIR, IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO KIND OF LEAVE ME IN A, IN A POSITION OF WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING BUT DELAY VOTING ON IT UNTIL A LATER DATE, UNTIL WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

BECAUSE THE LAST THING THIS BOARD IS LOOKING TO DO IS, UM, GET A BUNCH OF NEIGHBORS ANGRY AND HAVE THEM SHOW UP AT A MEETING AND, AND HARANGUING US BECAUSE OF A VOTE WE TOOK WITHOUT REALLY KNOWING WHAT THE, THE, THE END RESULT WAS GONNA BE.

SO IT, IT, TO ME, IT PUTS THIS BOARD INTO AN AWKWARD POSITION.

BUT, AND ALDERMAN, IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING HELPFUL, UH, THE CASE LAW ON REZONINGS ADMONISHES GOVERNING BOARDS TO CONSIDER ALL PERMISSIBLE USES IN THE PROPOSED ZONING CLASSIFICATION.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, THE APPLICANT FOR, FOR THE REZONING SPECIFIC REQUEST, IS NOT ENTIRELY RELEVANT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

LOOKING AT ALL THE PERMISSIBLE USES, BECAUSE THE, THE PROPERTY COULD BE SOLD OR RECON CONVEYED, THE USE CAN CHANGE TO ANY OF THE PERMISSIBLE USES OR THE USES PROVIDED BY SPECIAL USE AS INDICATED ON, ON THE, UH, SLIDE THAT MR. GOFF HAS PRESENTED TONIGHT.

DID THAT HELP YOU ALL? UH, DID THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

DID THE RESPONSE FROM THE ATTORNEY HELP OR RESOLVE? WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND, UM, UM, WHAT STAFF, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS EXPLAINED, I MEAN, THEY'VE EXPLAINED THAT TO US PREVIOUSLY, AND I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND, I RESPECT THAT.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ATTORNEY IS SAYING.

UM, BUT FROM A VERY PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, IN WE ARE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A CHANGE IN ZONING TO A MORE INTENSIVE, POTENTIALLY A MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USE.

IF THERE WEREN'T ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AROUND THERE, I WOULDN'T BE AS CONCERNED.

BUT THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT, UM, WILL BE IMPACTED IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

UM, I JUST DON'T LIKE MAKING DECISION, NOT HAVING WHAT I FEEL IS FULL INFORMATION RELEVANT.

I GOT A QUESTION.

YES, SIR.

UM, THE, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONE SPLIT, ZONE THREE C3 C FOUR, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

AND HE WANTS TO MOVE IT ALL TO THE C3, CORRECT? CORRECT.

WHAT CAN, DO YOU HAVE, UH, A LIST OF WHAT IS, CAN BE BUILT ON THREE OR C FOUR VERSUS C3? CAN, IS THERE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO ON, UH, SO TYPICALLY IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, UH, ONE OF THE MAJOR DIFFERENCES THAT OFTEN COMES

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UP IS SELF STORAGE.

SO ONE MAY ALLOW IT EITHER BY RIGHT OR BY SPECIAL USE.

ONE MAY NOT ALLOW IT AT ALL OR BY SPECIAL USE.

SO, UM, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING FROM ONE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL TO ANOTHER, IT, IT'S OFTEN TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS.

SO THE DEFINING DIFFERENCE IS STORAGE BETWEEN THE TWO SONYS? THAT COULD BE ONE, YES, MA'AM.

DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? ONE, ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION.

UM, SOMEWHERE IN, IN THE PRESENTATION THERE WAS A REFERENCE MADE TO IT, ABUTS COUNTY PROPERTY.

WHAT, WHAT PIECE OF PROPERTY DOES THE COUNTY OWN OVER THERE? UH, IT JUST ISN'T IN THE CITY'S JURISDICTION.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT THE COUNTY OWNS IT, SIR.

SO, UH, ACROSS THE STREET WITH IT NOT HAVING ANY ZONING, UH, ISSU ASSIGNED TO IT, UH, THAT WOULD NOT BE CITY OF NEW BERN'S JURISDICTION.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MICROPHONE.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU, MR. GO.

AT THIS TIME, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OR HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME TO THE PODIUM.

AND STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE.

DEPUTY MOORE.

SORRY.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

BOARD.

UH, I, I'M CURIOUS IF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, IF YOU ASK THEM A QUESTION, ARE THEY RE REQUIRED TO RESPOND TO WHAT WAS SAID DURING THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD? IF, IF SO, THE APPLICANT TOLD THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD THAT THE BACK OF THE PARCEL WAS GOING TO BE USED FOR CONDITIONAL STORAGE, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

EXCUSE ME.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING? YES.

AND AT THE, THE APPLICANT, A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT, TAR HILL BUILDING SYSTEMS, TOLD THE NEWBURN PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD THAT THE BACK OF THE PARCEL WAS GOING TO BE USED FOR CONDITIONAL MINI STORAGE DURING THE PUBLIC MEETING.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE 2024 CDBG ANNUAL ACTION PLAN.

DID THAT HELP YOU? ANY ULTIMATE RULE? WELL, THAT HELPS TO, TO CLARIFY AND, AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE ATTORNEY SAID IS THAT, UM, IF, IF WE, UH, APPROVE THE REQUEST, UM, IT DOESN'T STOP THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS FROM SELLING IT TO SOME OTHER ENTITY THAT PLANS ON PUTTING SOMETHING ELSE ON THE PROPERTY.

SO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THAT'S JUST BUSINESS.

UM, BUT AT LEAST THAT HELPED.

AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? MAYOR, IF THERE'S NO MORE PROB COMMENT, I LIKE MAKE A, UH, MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? LET IT BE KNOWN BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED? THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? MAYOR PROAM? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE 34 0 2 AND 34 0 2 A TRENT ROAD FROM C3 SLASH C FOUR TO C3 ZONING.

SECOND.

IT HAS BEEN MOVED.

AND SECOND, ARE YOU READY FOR THE ROLL CALL? YEAH.

MADAM ALDERMAN REEL, BASED ON WHAT, UH, MS. CARD OFFERED? UM, UM, I WILL SAY YES.

MAYOR PRO TIMM ROYAL? YES.

ALDERMAN VEST? YES.

MOTION CARRIES.

[7. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving the 2024 CDBG Annual Action Plan, Five- Year Consolidated Plan, and Analysis of Impediments to Fair Housing Choice.]

FIVE YEAR CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND ANALYSIS OF IMPEDIMENTS TO FAIR HOUSING CHOICE.

MS. FULL GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND BOARD OF ALDERMAN.

UM, THIS SPECIFIC ITEM

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CAME BEFORE YOU ALL ON JUNE 25TH.

UM, TONIGHT WE ARE ASKING FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE PLANS.

UM, THE 30 DAY DISPLAY PERIOD HAS BEEN SATISFIED AND THERE WERE NO COMMENTS RECEIVED ON THESE PLANS.

BOARD, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MS. FOUR MOORE? NO.

JUST THANK YOU FOR SUCH A GREAT JOB THAT YOU DO.

THANK YOU, .

IF THERE'S, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 2024 CDBG ANNUAL ACTION PLAN.

FIVE YEAR CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND ANALYSIS OF IMPEDIMENTS TO FAIR HOUSING CHOICE.

SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

WE WILL BEGIN OUR ROLL CALL WITH ALDERMAN PRI.

[8. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving the Sale of 927 Sampson Street.]

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SALE OF 9 2 7 SAMON STREET.

MR. HUGHES C JOHNSON SUBMITTED A BID OF $3,000 FOR THE PURCHASE OF THIS PROPERTY.

THE BID WAS ADVERTISED BUT NO UPSET BIDS WERE RECEIVED.

PROPERTY IS A VACANT 0.116 ACRE RESIDENTIAL TRACK THAT WAS ACQUIRED BY THE CITY AND CRAVEN COUNTY IN 2018 THROUGH TRA TAX FORECLOSURE.

IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD FOR THIS BID AMOUNT, THE CITY WILL RECEIVE $586 60 CENTS AND THE COUNTY WILL RECEIVE $2,413 AND 40 CENTS FROM THE PROCEEDS.

BOARD, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES, I, I DO.

UM, THIS IS WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT ZONE.

COMMISSION ZONE.

IT IS.

AND, UH, AGAIN, I, I KNOW THAT PROTOCOL, IT'S, UM, ONCE WE, IF IT'S WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, IT'S WHEN THIS PROPERTY IS SOLD, THEN THAT PERSON THAT BUYS THIS PROPERTY HAS TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FOR, AS WHAT THEY DO WITH THE PROPERTY FOR HIS CODES, RESTRICTIONS OR WHATEVER.

THEY'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION OVERLAY, WHICH CONTROLS DIMENSIONAL, UM, SETBACKS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

ALRIGHT.

NUMBER 11, CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF THERE'S AN I MAKE A MOTION, I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION APPRO APPROVING THE SALE OF 9 27 SAMPSON STREET.

SECOND HAS BEEN MOVED.

AND SECOND THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE WILL HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALVIN ALDERMAN CREEL? YES.

ALDERMAN ASTER? YES.

MAYOR PROTI ROYAL? YES.

DO WE HAVE ANY APPOINTMENTS TONIGHT? I DON'T HAVE ANY.

ALDERMAN PRI NO ALDERMAN ASTOR? NO.

MONAS, NO.

NO APPOINTMENTS.

ITEM NUMBER 10, THE ATTORNEY'S REPORT.

NOTHING TONIGHT, MA'AM.

ITEM

[11. City Manager's Report.]

JUST, JUST ONE ITEM, MA'AM.

UH, AS, AS I INFORMED THE BOARD, UH, OVER THE WEEKEND, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UM, WENT OUT OF SERVICE ON SUNDAY DUE TO, UH, EXCESSIVE CLOGGING, UH, OF THREE PUMPS THAT THAT FEED THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

AND, AND THAT CLOGGING WAS CAUSED BY AN OVERABUNDANCE OF WET WIPES, ADULT DIAPERS, RAGS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH CREATED THAT SITUATION.

ALSO, THE, THE HEAVY AMOUNT OF RAIN THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, OVER THE WEEKEND HELPED EXACERBATE THAT BY PUSHING ALL OF THAT DEBRIS, UH, TO THE PUMP STATION ITSELF.

UM, SO STAFF ACTUALLY SPENT APPROXIMATELY 12 HOURS UNCLOGGING ONE PUMP.

UH, AND, AND WHAT I CAN SAY IS, UH, OUR, OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT STAFF AND OUR, OUR DIRECTOR GEORGE HUGHES, CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT HOW THE GOOD WORK THAT THEY DO FOR THE CITY, UH, THAT IS, THAT IS DEFINITELY THE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE JOBS IN THE CITY THAT I DON'T THINK ANYONE, UH, REALLY APPRECIATES AS MUCH AS AS WE SHOULD.

UH, THEY WORK VERY HARD AND, AND AT THE MAXIMUM DURING THE WEEKEND, CREWS WORK FOR OVER 35 HOURS DEALING WITH THIS.

UH, EARLIER TODAY, THEY WERE ABLE TO UNCLOG ONE OTHER PUMP.

WE STILL HAVE THE THIRD PUMP THAT IS OFFLINE 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE REBUILT.

UM, BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME BYPASS PUMPS IN PLACE, AND THEN THE NUMBER ONE PUMP IS OPERATING.

SO EVERYTHING IS FINE.

BUT, UM, THIS HAS KIND OF, UH, BROUGHT THIS SITUATION BACK TO THE FOREFRONT OF MAKING OUR CITIZENS AWARE NOT TO FLUSH THINGS DOWN THE TOILET OTHER THAN TOILET PAPER.

AND SO WE ARE GONNA BE CREATING A, A, AN AWARENESS CAMPAIGN THAT, UH, WE'RE

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GONNA BE PUTTING ON SOCIAL MEDIA JUST TO REMIND OUR CITIZENS, PLEASE DON'T PUT THINGS LIKE RAGS AND, AND WET PIPES AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE TOILET.

THAT, THAT, THAT ONLY CREATES ISSUES FOR US.

AND WHAT WE HAVE ALSO SEEN IS NATIONWIDE, THIS, THIS HAS BECOME A PROBLEM.

AND, AND SO IT USED TO BE GREASE WAS THE MAIN PROBLEM, AND NOW IT'S REALLY REVERTED TO THIS.

SO JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

WILL THAT BE ALL? I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY FOUND A TENNIS SHOE IN THERE, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE IMAGES SHOWED A TENNIS SHOE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST, UM, AS I MENTIONED TO YOU EARLIER TODAY, WE'VE HAD SO MANY CAMPAIGNS AND ADDRESSED THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY, UM, TO GET THE POINT ACROSS TO PEOPLE, TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC, ANY TYPE OF FORUM THAT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO GETTING THE POINT ACROSS? S SO WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO, TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS A, ABOUT THIS THING, BUT I THINK THE REALLY, THE, THE MAIN WAY TO GET THE POINT ACROSS IS, IS IF A CITIZEN EXPERIENCE IS THIS AND THEY GET A, A, A, A BACKUP IN THEIR HOUSE AND, AND, AND DISCOVER THAT THAT'S THE REASON, UNTIL IT REALLY HITS YOU AT HOME, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GONNA APPRECIATE HOW IMPORTANT THIS ISSUE IS.

SO HOW MANY, UH, CUSTOMERS WERE AFFECTED BY THIS? DO YOU KNOW WHAT, WAS THERE A NUMBERS? WAS THERE ANY NUMBERS? SO NO CUSTOMERS WERE AFFECTED.

UH, WHERE WE HAD THE BACKUP WAS THAT, UM, UH, REALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

AND, AND APPROXIMATELY 41,000 GALLONS, UH, FLEW OUT, UH, WENT OUT TO THE STREET.

SO, OKAY.

BRUCE CREW WORKED TO ADDRESS THAT.

WE REPORTED THAT TO THE STATE AS WE WERE REQUIRED TO.

UH, AND SO, UM, STAFF HAD WORKED TO CORRECT THOSE ISSUES.

SO, SEE, AGAIN, NO RESIDENTIAL HOMES WERE AFFECTED.

SO AS, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM MENTIONED, THIS COULD CONTINUE ON.

IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, I MEAN, WE GOT, I GUESS IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE PUT ON TV THREE SOCIAL MEDIA? I MEAN, CITYS WEBSITE? IT AND YES.

IT WILL UHHUH.

WELL, PLEASE TAKE THIS AS BEING TONGUE IN CHEEK, BUT, UH, MAY, MAYBE A GOOD WAY OF GETTING WORD OUT IS, AND I, I'M SURE ALL THE DEBRIS THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE PUMPS HAS BEEN DISPOSED OF, BUT IF WE RUN INTO THAT PROBLEM AGAIN, AND, AND UNDOUBTEDLY WE WILL, UH, MAYBE WE NEED TO ACCUMULATE THAT, PUT IT IN A VERY PUBLIC PLACE AS A SORT OF A MONUMENT, UM, THAT WILL GET A LOT OF VISIBILITY, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING.

UM, I'M NOT SAYING A PERMANENT MONUMENT, BUT WE MIGHT NEED TO GO TO KIND OF A RIDICULOUS EXTREME, UM, TO REALLY EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT'S HAPPENING.

AND SO I KNOW THAT, UM, UH, JORDAN, YOU SHARED SEVERAL IMAGES AND SO I THINK COLIN IS GONNA BE INCORPORATING SOME OF THOSE INTO THE SOCIAL MEDIA.

UM, BUT REALLY, UNLESS YOU SEE HOW MUCH DEBRIS THEY PULLED OUT OF THESE PUMPS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO, TO APPRECIATE.

'CAUSE IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DEBRIS THAT WAS PULLED OUT.

NOT, NOT JUST A SMALL AMOUNT.

WITH THE, THE PHOTOS THAT YOU SENT TO US.

OH MY GOSH, THAT'S UNBELIEV.

IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.

MM-HMM.

BUT WE'VE GOT A GREAT STAFF WHO, WHO'S WORKING HARD TO CORRECT THAT SITUATION.

AND SEE THAT'S THE PART, THAT'S THE PART THAT, UH, UH, BOTHERS ME IS THAT WE HAVE, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT'S CREATED BY OUR CITIZENS, BUT IT ALSO PUTS A BURDEN ON OUR, OUR CITY EMPLOYEES, OUR STAFF, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE HAVING TO WORK ALL THOSE MANPOWER HOURS THAT WAS PUT INTO THIS, YOU KNOW? UM, AWFUL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMENTS TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT YOU SAID? UM, MR. HUGHES, I CERTAINLY COMMEND OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT EMPLOYEES FOR THEIR DILIGENCE AND, UH, FOR ADDRESSING THE ISSUE AND DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO RESOLVE IT AS IMMEDIATELY AS POSSIBLE.

ITEM NUMBER 12, NEW BUSINESS ALDERMAN PR.

EMPLOYEES.

[12. New Business.]

I HAVE NOTHING TODAY.

ALDERMAN ASTOR? NOTHING TONIGHT, MA'AM.

ALDERMAN BEST? YES, I DO.

UM, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION WHEN I WAS, UM, UM, READING SOME INFORMATION AND I SAW A FLYER, UM, UM, I THINK IT WAS, UM, MR. JOE BROWN.

HE DID THE CHRISTMAS IN JULY.

AND IT BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, WE AS A BOARD, I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSED, UM, LAST YEAR WHEN WE TOOK OVER THE CHRISTMAS PARADE.

SO HOW IS THAT, IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE GOING TO CONTINUE

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TO DO? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU AND STAFF HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT? OR WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS PARADE? UM, Y YES.

SO WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH STAFF ABOUT THAT WE ARE GONNA RECOMMEND THE CITY DO THE CHRISTMAS PARADE AGAIN.

WE HAVE HAD NO, NO OTHER GROUPS THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE REACHED OUT THAT HAD, THAT HAD ANY INTEREST IN WANTING TO COORDINATE IT.

SO THAT WILL BE COMING UP TO A FUTURE BOARD MEETING FOR STREET CLOSURE.

UM, FOR STREET CLOSURE OR DISCUSSION, STREET CLOSURE FOR THE PARADE.

AND IF THE BOARD AGREES WITH, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.

AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO DISCUSS.

WELL, ME PERSONALLY, I THINK WE NEED A DISCUSSION ALONG WITH, UH, BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT STREET CLOSURES, THAT'S MY, UH, UH, OPINION.

I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS FEEL ABOUT IT, BUT, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST YEAR THAT WE, IT WAS AT THE LAST MINUTE AND WE AS A, A CITY, YOU KNOW, TOOK ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY 'CAUSE WE WANTED THE PARADE.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE BOARD MEMBERS FEEL ABOUT THAT.

IT WAS WELL RECEIVED LAST YEAR.

IT WAS, UH, I THINK COORDINATED, UH, VERY WELL BY THE CITY.

I KNOW THE CITY WAS ANXIOUS TO TRY TO FIND AN ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE THAT ON, BUT AS, UH, MR. FOSTER, YOU KNOW, HAS INDICATED NOBODY HAS STEPPED FORWARD.

UM, I DON'T HAVE A, A PARTICULAR PROBLEM.

I MEAN, IF, IF THE CITY FEELS IT HAS THE CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, TO CARRY FORWARD WITH IT, UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

ANY OTHER COMMENT REGARDING THE PARADE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I HAD, I HAD, I'M SORRY, I DID NOT HAVE SOME OTHER, UH, ITEMS AS WELL.

UM, I KNOW BACK, I THINK IT WAS MR. HUGHES, UM, BACK IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH, I GUESS WHEN WE HAD THE, UM, UNC CHAPEL HILL COME AND GET THE, UM, SURVEY THAT WAS DONE BY EMPLOYEES.

HAVE WE RECEIVED THAT BACK? OR WHEN ARE WE GONNA RECEIVE THAT BACK SO THAT, THAT IT CAN BE DISCUSSED AND RIGHT.

SO AT WHAT POINT ARE WE, YOU KNOW, AT TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE, ARE, ARE BEING HEARD AND WHAT DIRECTION WE NEED TO TAKE AS A CITY, IF ANY, UM, TO CORRECT ANY PROBLEMS OR ISSUES OR CONCERNS OR CONTINUE THE WAY THAT WE ARE GOING.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FOLLOW UP MEETING NEXT TUESDAY OKAY.

WITH SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT TO DISCUSS RESULTS OF THE SURVEY.

SO, UH, INFORMATION WILL BE COMING OUT SHORTLY AFTER THAT.

UM, LET'S SEE.

I THINK I HAVE ONE OTHER THING.

NO, THAT WAS IT.

THANK YOU MAYOR PROTO.