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I AM GOING TO CALL THIS[Municipal Service District Meeting Work Session on August 12, 2024. ]
WORK SESSION OF THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO ORDER.UM, AND I WOULD FIRST AND FOREMOST, LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEWEST MEMBER, WHICH IS CAROL STUBBS.
UM, WE'RE SO GLAD TO HAVE HER, AS YOU ALL OF YOU KNOW, UM, CHRIS LIN, UM, SOLD TO CHELSEA AND WE'RE EXCITED FOR HIM AND HIS NEW LIFE IN RETIREMENT.
AND THE NEW OWNERS, RON AND I CAN'T THINK OF HIS WIFE'S NAME, BUT LOVELY PEOPLE.
AND, UM, SO ANYWAY, UH, THAT MEANT CHRIS HAD TO COME OFF THE BOARD.
SO THANK YOU, CAROL, FOR STEPPING UP AND WILLING TO DO THIS.
OF COURSE, CAROL IS THE FACE BEHIND, UM, CAPTAIN RAD STUDENT.
IF YOU NAMED SOMETHING ELSE, I UNDERSTAND.
I'VE SEEN THE LITTLE THINGS, UM, SEEN THE, THE LITTLE PROMOS.
BUT, UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
WELCOME, AND YOU CAN HELP YOU IN ANY WAY.
REACH OUT ME, TELL YOU WHAT I KNOW
AND ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T KNOW, UM, CAROL, PLEASE TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY AFTER THE MEETING'S OVER TO, UH, TO MEET WITH HER.
UM, ALSO TOO, BEFORE WE CALL THE ROLL, UM, WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THERE'S SANDWICHES OVER THERE.
IT'S HAM AND TURKEY WITH LETTUCE AND TOMATO AND SOME CHIPS.
PRETTY BASIC TODAY, BUT, UH, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET PIZZA OR ANYTHING ELSE,
UH, KIM, WOULD YOU GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLL FOR US, PLEASE? SURE.
SO, UM, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER OUR LAST WORK SESSION, UH, ON JUNE THE 20TH, UM, WE GOT SOME INFORMATION ABOUT TRACK, UH, TRASH COMPACTORS.
WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT OUR INNER CORE, CONTINUING ON THAT, UH, MARCH, I GUESS WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, AND TRYING TO REALLY BRING TOGETHER, UM, A PLAN FOR WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO DO DOWN THERE.
UM, AFTER SOME REVIEW, A DISCUSSION WITH DAVE BARAL, WHO HAS REALLY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO THE BACK AND LOOKING AT THE, UH, TRASH COMPACTOR.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING AND LOADING ZONES AND ALL OF THAT.
WE DECIDED THAT THE BEST THING TO DO NOW WOULD BE TO BREAK, BREAK INTO SMALLER, WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL AD HOC.
I HAVE SUB COMMITTEES, BUT THE CORRECT, UH, TERM WOULD BE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE.
AND WE'RE GONNA CREATE FREE AD HOC COMMITTEES, AND WE'RE GONNA BREAK IT DOWN INTO THE TRASH COMMITTEE, THE PARKING COMMITTEE, AND THE BEAUTIFICATION COMMITTEE.
SO YOU HAVE A SECOND PAGE TO YOUR AGENDA.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS TODAY.
WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THE SUB CONTEXT OF EACH OF THOSE COMMITTEES.
UM, WE HOPE THAT ONCE WE KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IT MIGHT BE A PROCESS THAT WE CAN USE GOING FORWARD FOR OTHER PROJECTS.
OKAY? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO SET SOME BASES SO THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO OTHER PROJECTS, THIS WILL KIND OF GETTING OUR, WE OUR TEETH OR WHATEVER IS THAT SAYING, BREAKING OUR TEETH ON THIS PROJECT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR PROCESSES.
SO IT'LL BE EASIER GOING FORWARD.
SO NOT BREAK OUR TEETH, CUT OUR TEETH, CUT OUR TEETH.
WE'RE GONNA CUT SOME TEETH ON THIS.
WHATEVER
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT IN ENGLISH,
UM, BUT, UH, WE COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE.
SO, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD TO THE, THE SECOND PAGE THAT I GAVE YOU THERE.
AND LET'S LOOK AT EACH OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THESE AD HOC COMMITTEES.
AGAIN, TAKE THE WORD SUB OUT AND ADD THE WORD AD HOC.
I, I MISSED CORRECTLY STATED THAT.
UM, ALSO TWO, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE ASSIGNED COMMITTEES TO TWO PEOPLE, UH, AND IT WAS BASED ON SOME OF THE CONVERSATION THAT I DID HAVE WITH THOSE THAT ARE NOT IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
AND ALSO TOO, I KNOW THAT, UM, UNDER BEAUTIFICATION AND WE'LL GET THERE.
MICHAEL LEE, I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THE ART IS TO YOU AND GREG SMITH AND THE WHOLE SCULPTURE.
SO, UM, I, I FELT LIKE I, I PRETTY MUCH KNEW WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE SHOULD BE, ESPECIALLY ON THE TRASH, YOU KNOW, UM, VAUGHN AND MICHAEL ARE BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT, IN THAT AREA, AND IT'S GONNA IMPACT
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THEM MORE THAN IT'LL IMPACT ANY OF US.AND THEN WHAT I'LL DO IS THERE'S THREE ON EACH.
AND SINCE I'M THE CHAIR, I'LL GO TO ALL MEETINGS.
HOW I'D LIKE TO DO THIS IS, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE IN OCTOBER, NOT WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A REGULAR MEETING AUGUST THE 20TH, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.
BUT THEN AFTER THAT, THERE'S A MEETING IN OCTOBER.
SO I'LL GIVE US ABOUT A MONTH.
SO I'M LOOKING TO SEE THAT THESE AD HOC COMMITTEES MEET.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU MEET ONCE, I DON'T CARE IF YOU MEET TWICE, FIVE, 10 TIMES, WHATEVER IT IS TO BRING DISCUSSION TO, TO BRING IT BACK.
AND SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO FLESH IT OUT.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION TODAY, I'M GONNA GO TO THE END OF THE YEAR AND I'M GONNA KICK THIS CAMP TO THE END OF THE END.
IF WE CAN'T FIND SOME RESOLUTION BY THE END OF THE YEAR, WE JUST NEED TO MOVE ON.
AND I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THE PROJECT HAS TO START, BUT WE'VE GOT, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN ON THIS FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS, JOHN.
I MEAN, THIS IS, WE'VE GOTTA GET SOME RESOLUTION.
SO WE'VE EITHER GOTTA DECIDE WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING, OR LET'S, LET'S GO ON, THERE'S OTHER PROJECTS.
WE CAN SPEND OUR MONEY ELSEWHERE AND LET'S JUST DO OTHER THINGS THAT WILL, UM, MAKE OUR, YOU KNOW, MAKE GOOD USE OF THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE.
SO THAT'S AGAIN, GONNA BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION AS WE MOVE ALONG.
SO LET'S LOOK AT THE THREE AD HOC COMMITTEES THAT WE LOOK.
SO THE, THE, THE TRASH ONE, THEY WILL BE, THESE ARE THE TASKS THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE LOCATION, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE LAST TIME.
BUT WE'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH, YOU KNOW, A RECOMMENDATION TO THIS BODY WHO WILL IN TURN THEN RECOMMEND IT TO THE ALDERMAN OF WHERE THAT SHOULD BE LOCATED.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT AREAS.
SHOULD IT BE ANGLED? SHOULD IT BE STRAIGHT? WE'LL ASK FOR THAT TO COME BACK AND, AND LOOK AT THAT.
ACCESS TO THE TRASH COMPACTOR.
DOES IT HAVE A CODE? DOES IT HAVE A LOCK? WHO GETS TO ACCESS IT? HOW DO THEY ACCESS IT? AGAIN, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION.
THERE'S PEOPLE CONTINUING NOW TO COME IN AND BRING THAT.
HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH, UM, VAUGHN ABOUT RECYCLING.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT DOWN THERE AND RECYCLING TO INCLUDE GLASS REQUIRED BY A LE.
UH, FOSTER AND I HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATION, AND A LE DOES REQUIRE THAT IF YOU HAVE AN A, B, C PERMIT, YOU MUST HAVE A TRASH CONTAINER FOR YOUR GLASS ONE.
BUT WE FOUND OUT NOW THEY DON'T POLICE IT.
UH, IF, IF IT'S OVERFLOWING, YOU REALLY SHOULD CALL GFL, BUT THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE YOU FOR ANOTHER CONTAINER.
WE DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT.
WHAT VON HAS FOUND OUT IS POTENTIALLY, AND HE BELIEVES HE'S WITNESSED IT, IS THAT, UM, AND NO DISRESPECT TO ANYBODY AT STANLEY BALLROOM, BUT THEY FROM TIME TO TIME HAVE WEDDINGS AND EVENTS THERE WITH BARTENDING AND WHATEVER, AND THE PEOPLE COME AND TAKE THAT.
JUST PUT IT IN THE GLASS CONTAINERS THAT ARE THERE.
THEY DON'T BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, SINCE THERE'S NOT ONE A BC PERMIT TO THAT LOCATION, THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A GLASS CONTAINER.
SO THEY THINK THAT IS SOME OF THE PROBLEM OF THE OVERFLOWING OF THE GLASS.
UM, SO AGAIN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE TRASH AD HOC COMMITTEE'S GONNA REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT AND GET A HANDLE ON WHERE THIS IS COMING.
'CAUSE THESE ARE THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE OVERSEE.
MEETING WITH GFL IS GONNA BE PROBABLY THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO TALK TO THEM.
HOW IS THIS ALL WORKING? IS EVERYBODY PAYING INTO IT? NOT PAYING INTO IT? AND THEN THE MANAGEMENT, THE USE, THE CLEANUP.
WHO'S MANAGING THE USE? WHO'S MANAGING IF THERE'S ANY SPILLOVERS IN THE CLEANUP.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST TIME, CAROL, I'M RELIVING THIS SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE CITY'S GETTING A LOT OF CALLS OF, YOU KNOW, HEY, THERE'S TRASH ALL OVER THE GROUND.
A BAG BROKE, NOBODY CLEANED IT UP.
THEY'RE HAVING TO SEND THEIR PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE TO CLEAN IT UP.
SO WE NEED, WE NEED TO COME TO SOME DETERMINATION OF, YOU KNOW, THE MANAGEMENT OF IT AND WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS FROM THIS GROUP.
NOW WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT CURRENTLY THE CONSOLIDATED TRASH IS REALLY ONLY FOR THAT ONE SIDE OF THE INNER COURT.
DOES EVERYBODY AGREE AND UNDERSTAND THAT IT DID NOT TAKE INTO THE SIDE OF MITCHELL'S AND THAT AREA BACK IN THERE BECAUSE AT THE TIME THEY DID NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE, THAT WE COULD ONLY GET THE PEOPLE ON ONE SIDE TO PARTICIPATE.
I THINK THAT THIS GROUP NEEDS TO LOOK AT A CONSOLIDATION.
DO MORE PEOPLE WANT TO PARTICIPATE NOW? YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A CENTRAL LOCATION, PEOPLE OVER HERE DON'T WANNA WALK HERE.
THE PEOPLE OVER HERE DON'T WANNA WALK HERE.
SO HOW DO YOU SOLVE THAT PROPERTY? DO WE HAVE TWO SITES CURRENTLY?
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WE DECIDED TO ONLY TALK ABOUT CITY OWNED PROPERTY, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE, OR THE PEOPLE WHO USE TRASH ON THIS SIDE.AND THIS IS ME LOOKING INTO INNER CORE WITH MORGAN'S HERE AND WHATEVER.
PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY RESIDING OR WORKING OR PROPERTY OWNERS ON THIS SIDE MAY NOT WANT TO COME TO THIS SIDE TO BRING THE TRASH.
I KNOW YOU, YOU, YOU'RE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THAT.
SO YEAH, SO THAT'S WHAT THE TRASH AD HOC COMMITTEE WOULD BE.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS TO THAT OR ANY, ANYTHING ANYBODY ELSE THINKS OR SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE ON HERE? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA REVIEW AND DISCUSS TODAY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, RICK? WELL, NO, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK A QUESTION, BUT IF ANYBODY ELSE HAD ANY QUESTIONS, GO AHEAD.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT THIS COMMITTEE WOULD ENTERTAIN MAYBE CHANGING THE FOCUS OF THIS A LITTLE BIT.
THERE'S A RESIDENT THAT LIVES IN
THEY MARKET A FOOD WASTE RECYCLING TECHNOLOGY G THAT THEY SELL WORLDWIDE.
UM, THE, THE MANUFACTURER OF THIS PRODUCT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT'S A SOUTH KOREAN COMPANY.
SOUTH KOREA RECYCLES ABOUT 98% OF THEIR COUNTRY'S FOOD BASE FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF KIND OF CHANGING THE FOCUS OF THIS DISCUSSION FROM A TRASH COMPACTOR TO MAYBE A FOOD WASTE RECYCLING TECHNOLOGY.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT JUST, THIS IS JUST WOULD JUST BE FOCUSED ON FOOD WASTE.
SO OBVIOUSLY THE, THE RESTAURANTS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA WOULD BE THE TARGET, UH, USERS OF IT.
IT DOESN'T ADDRESS OTHER RECYCLING NEEDS, PAPER, CORRIDOR OR GLASS.
THAT WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT.
UM, BUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD WANT TO MAYBE HAVE THIS RESIDENT COME IN AT THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING TO DO A LITTLE PRESENTATION ABOUT WHAT THIS TECHNOLOGY ENTAILS.
UM, AND SHE, SHE ALSO BRIEFLY MENTIONED THAT THERE IS APPARENTLY SOME GRANT MONEY AVAILABLE, BUT THE DEADLINE FOR SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION, I THINK SHE SAID IS IT'S LIKE THREE MONTHS AWAY.
SO IT'S A VERY SHORT TIMEFRAME.
AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE CITY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE THE ENTITY TO SUBMIT A GRANT APPLICATION.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, BE LOOKED AT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BEYOND THAT.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE GRANT MIGHT, WHAT AMOUNT IT MIGHT BE, WHAT IT WOULD COVER.
SHE WOULD HAVE TO, UM, DISCUSS THAT WITH THE, WITH THE GROUP FOR.
SO I JUST KIND OF RAISED THAT AS A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER YOU MIGHT WANT TO ENTERTAIN HAVING HER COME IN ON THE 20TH TO TALK ABOUT IT, TO SEE WHETHER THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR THE, THE COMMITTEE TO, TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, RICK, ESPECIALLY IN ANY WAY WE CAN REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF FOOD BECAUSE THAT IS A, A REAL ISSUE FOR THE RESTAURANTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT HER THOUGH, TO THE, UM, AD HOC COMMITTEE FIRST AND REALLY TALK TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE COST WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
IT MAY BE WE NEED A COMPACTOR AND THAT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HELP.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE IN ALL THE RESIDENTS AND THE OTHER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PEPSI STORE MIGHT NOT HAVE WE DO INTO THAT, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PAPER AND POPCORN.
I GUESS POPCORN WOULD BE CONSIDERED FOOD, BUT WHATEVER THAT WE HAVE TRASH, MOST OF IT'S CUPS AND LIDS, IT SEEMS TO BE.
BUT THAT WOULD BE I THINK A, A GREAT THING FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND SO THAT THAT AD HOC GROUP COULD COME BACK AND SAY, LOOK, HERE'S THE COST TO DO THIS.
I THINK WE COULD DO THIS AND THIS, OR THIS WOULD BE PART OF THAT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO START.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE GROUP HAS MORE QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY INITIAL THOUGHT PROCESS.
YOU AS MY ENGINEER, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
I'D LIKE TO START THE DISCUSSION SOONER, RESIDENT LATER, YOU KNOW, THEN, AND THEN MAYBE THEY COME IN AND COMFORTABLE.
OKAY, WELL THOUGHT ARE ALL, SO YOU
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NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN IT.UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE ALL COORDINATED AND THIS RESIDENT TO SEE WHAT EVERYBODY'S AVAILABILITY AND AT LEAST GET THE DISCUSSION STARTED TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY LIABILITY.
RICK, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE COMPANY WHEN YOU LOOK AHEAD, THEY CAN CUT IT DOWN.
WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT COMPANY? UH, WELL WHICH ONE? THE MANUFACTURER OR THE, THE WHAT THE COMPANY THAT SHE REPRESENTS.
I WOULD SAY I, I DON'T HAVE THAT DETAIL.
TALK ABOUT SHE, UH, WHEN I COORDINATE GETTING IT SET UP, I'LL ASK HER TO JUST SUBMIT INFORMATION ABOUT HERSELF FROM HER COMPANY AS WELL AS, UM, THE PRODUCT THAT THEY, THEY MARKET.
WHAT DAVE, IF IF YOU WANT ME TO COORDINATE THROUGH YOU, I'LL DO THAT.
AND THEN YOU CAN COORDINATE WITH THE OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
SO DO YOU THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO, UM, GET THIS COORDINATED AND SPEAK TO THEM BEFORE THE AUGUST 20TH MEETING? DO YOU THINK THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY FOR THAT GROUP? I WOULD, WE COULD HAVE AN UPDATE AT THAT NEXT MEETING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE SIX DAYS.
I MEAN, THAT'S HORRIBLE, YOU KNOW, AND LOOK TO GET THE PEOPLE TOGETHER TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY IF THEY COULD OR THEY COULD SAY, HEY, WE'RE IN TOUCH AND THIS IS WHEN OUR MEETING IS, OR THIS IS WHEN WE'RE GOING TO GATHER.
BUT I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S THE NEED TO RUSH BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND COME TO US.
WE'RE GONNA COME BACK IN OCTOBER MEETING AND IF THEY FEEL, LOOK, THIS IS GOOD.
WE NEED EVERYBODY TO KNOW ABOUT THIS.
WE CERTAINLY WOULD INCLUDE HER IN OUR OCTOBER AGENDA.
SO I DON'T THINK IF THERE'S GRANT MONEY RIGHT, AND WE'RE ON A DEADLINE OF THREE MONTHS, WELL THE, AND THE CITY WOULD, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY HAVE TO HAVE TO DO THAT.
UM, IF THERE IS GRANT MONEY, THEY'VE GOTTA SEE WHAT IT IS.
AND AGAIN, I'M GONNA LEAVE THAT TO THE, WELL, I WOULD TRUST DAVID TO ARRANGE IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WITH MICHAEL AND VAUGHN BOTH OUT OF TOWN TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS AND I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT THEM TO SOMETHING THAT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY'RE, I KNOW THAT VAUGHN IS IN MICHIGAN.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE MICHAEL IS.
SO
SO GOOD IDEA VERSUS MONEY, YOUR TUTORING QUESTIONS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT COULD BE AN ANNUAL, YOU KNOW, ROTATING TYPE THING WHERE MAYBE IF WE'RE NOT READY FOR THIS CYCLE, WE HAVE THE GROUNDWORK DONE FOR, FOR NEXT YEAR WHEN IT, OKAY.
ANY OTHER ADDITIONS? ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS FOR THIS TRASH AD HOC COMMITTEE? SO THE, THE THREE PEOPLE YOU SEE IN THERE, DAN, DAVE VAUGHN AND MICHAEL DUTCH MARCHING LAUS.
I EXPECT YOU TO CONTACT THE OTHER TWO TO GET THEM MARCHING WITH YOU.
I THINK THAT'S WITHOUT SAYING TOO, IT WOULDN'T JUST ONLY BE THOSE THINGS.
THERE'S PLENTY CONVERSATIONS, CORRECT.
BUT I WAS TRYING TO GIVE SOME TASKS SO THAT THEY WOULD LEAST HAVE A FOCUS OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY WERE GONNA GO.
JUST NOT SAY, OKAY, YOU'RE THE TRASH AD HOC COMMITTEE AND THAT'S IT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT LIKE THE, THE, THE MANAGEMENT PART IS THE, THE OWNERSHIP.
AND I'VE STARTED TO LOOK AT LIKE, THE OWNERSHIP WITHIN THE, UM, THE INNER CORE BECAUSE IT, IT, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THE, UH, THE CITY'S JUST A MINORITY OWNER IN THERE.
SO WE GET EVERYONE TOGETHER AND HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF RESPONSIBILITIES, ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, WHO'S CONTRIBUTING.
AND MAYBE SOMEONE WITHIN THAT PROPERTY OWNERSHIP GROUP WOULD STEP UP AND TAKE MORE OF A LEADING ROLE AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WILL, REALISTICALLY THE TRASH FACTOR SHOULD BE OVER HERE THAT'S NOT ON CITY PROPERTY AND WHO, WHO KNOWS HOW IT'S GONNA EVOLVE, BUT WE NEED TO BE MORE ENGAGING, I THINK, WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, TO HAVE THEM HAVE, UM, SOME, UH, SOME MORE PARTICIPATION IN IT.
LET'S GO ON TO THE, UH, PARKING AD HOC COMMITTEE.
SO THE SCOPE RIGHT NOW IS THE INGRESS AND EGRESS OF THE LOT.
AGAIN, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOW WE WOULD PARK IT, WHAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, THE LOADING ZONE AREA.
WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE LOADING ZONE MAYBE JUST FROM 6:00 AM TO 10:00 AM SO THAT THAT WOULD BECOME PARKING AFTERWARDS FOR LUNCH AND PEOPLE DOING BUSINESS DOWNTOWN.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED TO DECIDE WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
WE, WE'VE HAD DRAWINGS AND CONCEPT DESIGNS SHOWING IT, YOU KNOW, ON ONE OF THE SIDES OF THE CURRENT PARKING.
WE'D WANT THE, UH, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO COME BACK
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AND TALK ABOUT THAT.WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PARKED VERSUS LEASED, UH, EXCUSE ME, PAID VERSUS LEASED AND PAID KIOSK LIKE THEY'VE GOT ACROSS FROM CITY HALL.
THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
UM, THEY WOULD NEED TO PUSH THAT OUT AND COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT AS WELL.
CURRENTLY, ALL THE SPACES IN THERE ARE LEASED, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, SO THEY'RE CURRENTLY ALL LEASED NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE DESIGN IN THERE AND THAT'LL BE THE OTHER COMMITTEE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THAT ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THE ISSUE WITH THAT ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE IS THAT PART OF THE CITY PROPERTY IS WHERE CONDO OWNERS PARK THEIR CARS WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK IF WE DID SOMETHING, CREATED MORE PARKING SPACES, HOW ARE WE GONNA HANDLE THAT? SO THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION FOR THE PARKING AD HOC COMMITTEE, WHICH WE HAVE JOHNNY, NIKKI AND JOHN HAROLD'S IN ON THAT.
UM, ADDITIONS MORE INFORMATION.
PUT A GOOD STRONG WOMAN ON THERE, KEEP GUYS UNDER CONTROL.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, I'LL LET THE WOMEN RULE ON THAT ONE.
UM, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WOULD SEE OR OTHER TASKS THAT YOU WOULD SEE THAT MIGHT FALL UNDER THE PARKING AD HOC COMMITTEE? BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE BACK THERE IS I MEAN, ENFORCEMENT.
WELL THAT WOULD BE THE CAMPAIGN.
BUT LET'S, OR HOW IS IT GONNA BE ENFORCED AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT? WELL, IT WOULD BE CITY PROPERTY.
SO AGAIN, WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT ARM TO THAT.
IF IT BECOMES PAID LEASE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY ENFORCING IT NOW THE LEAST PARKING IS BEING ENFORCED NOW.
WE JUST, WE, HOW, HOW DO, HOW DO WE LOOK AT THAT? WHAT IS THE BEST USE OF THAT IN THAT AREA THERE? HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WILL WE ULTIMATELY BE ABLE TO HAVE? WE'VE GOT A LOADING ZONE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
HOW DO WE CONVEY THAT? WAS THAT JUST SIX TO 10? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE LAST TIME.
DOES THAT STILL STAY IN PLACE? BUT ANY OTHER, EVERYBODY GOOD? ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS? ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BRING TO THAT? I DID NOTICE THAT, UH, THERE'S A SIGN UP FOR TOWING WITH A PHONE NUMBER OVER THERE.
THAT SIGN WENT UP NOT TOO LONG AGO.
THERE'S BEEN A TOWING SIGN UP.
HAS IT BEEN UP FOR A WHILE? YES.
IT'S BEEN UP FOR, I GUESS I JUST NOTICED IT.
IT, THEY'RE ON, EVEN IN THE BACK PARKING LOT BEHIND ME, IT HAS THAT, THAT TOWING SIGN WITH THE NUMBER MM-HMM.
SO PARKED IN A CITY SPOT OR WHATEVER AND LEAST, UH, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
NO OTHER COMMENTS, SUGGESTIONS, ANYTHING THERE? OKAY, SO THEN WE GO TO THE BEAUTIFICATION AD HOC COMMITTEE BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO BEAUTIFY THIS, TO BRING IT TOGETHER TO LOOK AT IT.
SO THE WALKWAY, THE CONNECTOR, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, YOU KEEP THAT MIDDLE THERE.
DO WE PUT IT OVER TO THE LEFT? DO WE REALLY MAKE IT A TRUE CONNECTOR WITH NOTHING COMING IN THE MIDDLE? UNDERSTANDING THERE'S GOTTA BE INGRESS OF EGRESS COMING IN AND OUT.
HOW DOES THAT LOOK? THE ART, WHICH WE SAID WAS PROBABLY VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
WE HAVE, UH, THE PURPOSE OF GREG SMITH'S SCULPTURE IS ALWAYS TO GO SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA TO HONOR GREG BEING SO CLOSE TO MITCHELL'S.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE DO WE PUT IT? WE'VE GOT IT AT LEAST.
SO THAT'S A COST WE DON'T HAVE TO INCUR, BUT WE'RE GONNA STILL HAVE TO PLACE IT.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, THE ENCLOSURE SCREENING OF THE TRASH COMPACTOR.
SO WHATEVER WE DO THERE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? DO WE, SHOULD IT BE SHRUB? SHOULD IT BE, YOU KNOW, FENCING? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW, HOW SHOULD THAT BE THERE SO THAT THE PEOPLE SITTING AT MORGAN'S OUTSIDE HAVING THIS WONDERFUL LUNCH DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT A DIRTY TRASH COMPACTOR, DIRTY DUMPSTER.
THAT, THAT'S ALWAYS BOTHERED ME.
I KNOW THEY HAVE THOSE NICE SCREENS.
IF YOU NOTICE THE SHADE THINGS THAT YOU PULLED OUT ON THE BACKSIDE, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT GET SCREENED? HOW DOES THAT LOOK MORE INVITE LIGHTING, SIGNAGE.
HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT LOOK? YOU KNOW, THAT CONNECTOR BETWEEN THE TWO TO THE TWO SPACES GOING INTO BEAR PLAZA, HOW DOES THAT ALL COME TOGETHER? HOW DO WE BEAUTIFY THAT AREA? BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY BEEN THE MAIN DRIVER IN DOING THIS PROJECT.
HOW DO WE BEAUTIFY THAT CORRIDOR AND GET PEOPLE BETWEEN THE TWO BLOCKS? SO NOW I NEED ANY SUGGESTIONS, ANY CONDITIONS.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU SEE THAT WE MIGHT, WE CAN SEND HPC GUIDELINES BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT AS WELL.
A CLA WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THAT.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL SEND THAT OUT TO ACTUALLY EVERYONE.
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AN OVERARCHING, I MEAN A QUESTION, NOT A QUESTION, BUT A A A FACTOR THAT I THINK APPLIES TO ALL THREE COMMITTEES IS HOW DO YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT COST? I MEAN, THIS IS NOT AT THIS POINT.YEAH, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GO WITH CONCEPT FIRST.
CONCEPT, I THINK CONCEPT IS, AND YOU DON'T NEED COSTS BROKEN OUT OR A, AN A, B, C, HIGH, LOW, MEDIUM.
NO, I THINK AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THEN WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AS A GROUP AND DECIDE THIS IS THE CONCEPT WE LIKE, AND THEN THE CITY WOULD BID IT OUT AND, AND LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
BECAUSE IF WE TRIED TO DO THAT NOW THAT IT WOULD MAKE US CRAZY
I JUST WORRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GOING IN REALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH NO BUDGET IN MIND THAT THEN WE CAN GET A LITTLE CRAZY.
I MEAN THAT, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO ALL KEEP THAT IN MIND.
SO, SO BACK IN THE DAY, GREG, GREG SMITH AND I, EVERY TIME WE HAD THIS EVENT OR SOMETHING, WE'D GO IN WITH LITTLE BACK ROOM WHEN WE'D START WITH THE DREAM AND WE'D LAY IT ALL OUT EXACTLY HOW WE DREAMT IT, EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD LOOK.
AND THEN WE'D COME BACK AND EVENTUALLY THE REALITY CAME AT THE VIOLATION.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE COULD AFFORD, WHAT WE COULDN'T AFFORD, WHAT WAS REALLY REALISTIC TO DO.
BUT YOU ALWAYS START WITH THE DREAM.
I THINK I'VE BEEN WORKING IN A NON-PROFIT.
WELL, ULTIMATELY, YES, I TOTALLY AGREE BECAUSE IT'S, AND YOU KNOW, THE ORDER MAY HAVE TO VOTE AND SAY, YES, WE AGREE TO SPEND THIS MONEY.
UM, IT'LL JUST BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR US.
YOU KNOW, THE GOOD NEWS IS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, A LARGE PIECE IS A PIECE OF SCULPTURE, PIECE OF ART IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
BUT IN TODAY'S WORLD, SO IS EVERYTHING ELSE, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, YOU CAN TRY TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, A WALKWAY, WHATEVER ELSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, WITH A CON COMPACTOR, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE WATER AND ELECTRIC BROUGHT BACK THERE.
WHAT IS THAT GONNA TAKE TO BRING THAT? WE WANT TO HAVE A WATER SOURCE TO CLEAN UP.
THAT'S BEEN A LOT OF THE ISSUE.
THERE'S NO WATER SOURCE BACK THERE AND YOU CAN'T CLEAN UP AFTER A LOT OF THESE MESSES.
SO THAT'S GONNA PROBABLY BE A GREAT CAUSE AS WELL.
SO WE CERTAINLY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT ALL OF THAT.
UM, BUT OTHER, YOU KNOW, OTHER QUESTIONS.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU FORESEE THIS LOOKING LIKE? ANYTHING ELSE I'M MISSING HERE OR WE'RE MISSING? THERE'S KIND ALL THREE ON THIS CHICKEN AND EGG THING TOO, GOES, WE CAN'T HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.
SO, I MEAN, PROBABLY THE FIRST ONE, I THINK LAID OUT IN THE RIGHT ORDER, FRANKLY.
UM, SO AS FAR AS LIKE THE TRASH DAVE GETTING THEIR PART DONE IS PROBABLY FIRST PART, RIGHT? BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, NO MATTER WHERE IT'S LOCATED, WE'VE GOT THE, WE WANT SCREENING, WE WANT IT TO, TO LOOK GOOD.
YOU KNOW, THE CONNECTOR HAS TO, THE CONNECTOR'S GONNA BE THE CONNECTOR
SO I THINK THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH IN PLACE.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UM, FINE TUNING THEM AS TO THE, THE WAY WE WANT THEM TO BE, THE FINISHED PRODUCT, ALL THREE OF THESE INTERACT.
BUT I THINK THAT EACH GROUP CAN COME UP WITH CONCEPT.
I JUST THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE EASIER FOR US TO GET A LITTLE MORE FOCUS DRIVEN WITH AD HOC COMMITTEES THAN IT IS GOING TO BE JUST TO SIT HERE AND WE'RE KIND OF KICKING IT AND, YOU KNOW, DRIVING THAT HARD.
SO WE'LL COME BACK AND AGAIN, UM, I WOULD EXPECT A REPORT FOR THE OCTOBER, AND I THINK IT'S OCTOBER 15TH IS OUR OCTOBER MEETING.
OCTOBER 17TH AT NOON IS OURTO.
THAT'S OUR, OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING FOR THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT AS THE, THE TIME THAT WE AT LEAST COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T CARE IF THIS, THE AD HOC COMMITTEES MEET ONCE, THREE TIMES, FIVE TIMES, 10 TIMES, WHATEVER YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO GET TOGETHER TO DISCUSS IT, TO BRING BACK SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? DO WE HAVE THE ROOM THEN? UH, FOSTER, ARE WE CONFIRMED, OR, SO THE 15TH IS WHEN THE, THIS, THE OCTOBER MEETING WAS SCHEDULED FOR, HOWEVER, THIS ROOM IS NOT AVAILABLE, SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE IT TO THE 17TH.
THAT'S WHY YOU MAY NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
UM, BUT EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT THEN YOU'RE GOOD WITH THE, THAT MARCHING ORDER AND HOW THAT WORKS.
RAY, WHAT DID I, MISSAY,
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AS WELL AS OTHER THINGS, AND I THINK, UM, A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN EDUCATIONAL FOR ME, JUST LEARNING ABOUT THE, THE BACKGROUND AND SO FORTH.UM, ANOTHER THING THAT I KEEP THINKING OF THOUGH IS HOW WE ALL, WE, WE REALLY NEED A MASTER PLAN FOR THE, FOR THE MSD.
AND I LOOK AT THIS AS WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE DEVELOPING A MASTER PLAN, UM, WITHIN THOSE MASTER PLANS, YOU HAVE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLANS, WHICH IS KIND OF A FOCUS AREA.
AND I KIND OF SEE THIS AS LIKE A, UM, AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITHIN THE MSD MASTER PLAN.
SO IF WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON THIS, WE CAN KIND OF THINK OF THE BIGGER PICTURE THAT MAYBE WE, WE SHOULD START TO LOOK AT AT A MASTER PLAN, AND THEN WE CAN LOOK BACK AT THIS AND GO, OKAY, THIS WAS AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THAT MASTER PLAN.
AND I, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH.
SO MAYBE THIS CAN KIND OF BE, AND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS CAN KIND OF BE A TEMPLATE OR SOMETHING.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LET'S LOOK AT, LET'S CONSIDER THAT, THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE AT SOME POINT LOOKING AT A, A MASTER PLAN FOR THE WHOLE MSD.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK THIS HAS BEEN ON THE DOCKET FOR SO LONG AS AN MSD THAT WE NEEDED TO DECIDE TO EVEN DO SOMETHING OR NOT DO SOMETHING.
AND THEN IF, IF HE CAN'T COME TO SOME AGREEMENT, WE CAN'T GET A RECOMMENDATION OR APPROVAL, THEN YES, WE NEED TO HAVE A WHOLE MASTER PLAN THAT SAYS, LOOK, THIS IS THE WAY WE LOOK AT EMSD FOR THE NEXT, I KNOW, FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER.
AND LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT AGAIN, WE PROBABLY BREAK IT DOWN INTO THESE AD HOC GROUPS.
I THINK IT'LL MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO WORK TO BRING IDEAS BACK TO THE TABLE AS SMALLER GROUPS AND TO TRY TO SIT HERE FOR AN HOUR AND BRING IT ALL TOGETHER.
IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? YES.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE, UM, NEXT ITEM, UM, WHICH IS CONSIDER CHANGING THE OCTOBER MEETING DATE TO OCTOBER 17TH.
SO I NEED A MOTION, UM, TO CHANGE THE DATE FROM THE 15TH TO THE 17TH.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A OPPOSED? OKAY.
UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS FOR OUR MEETING NEXT WEEK.
A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, AND IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH IT, WE'LL INCLUDE HIM ON THE AGENDA.
UM, WE WANTED TO GET WITH GEORGE CHIS AGAIN ABOUT THE CROSSWALK.
WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT? GEORGE CAME IN AND TALKED TO US ABOUT THAT.
SO WE WANTED AN UPDATE ON THE CROSSWALK AND, AND WHERE WE AT WITH THAT.
UM, WE ALSO, UM, DAVE AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE'D LIKE TO MAYBE BRING IT FORWARD TO YOU ON WORK.
IT IS ABOUT HAVING AN MSD PROJECT, NOMINATION POOL, SOMETHING THAT COULD GO ON OUR WEBSITE BECAUSE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS AT SKY SALE HAVE REQUESTED BENCHES BEHIND SKY SALE, SOME OF THE CITY PARK BENCHES AND WAS WONDERING IF M MSD WOULD PAY FOR THOSE TO PUT ON THE RIVER WALK THAT'S BEHIND THEIR BUILDING.
ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO CLARIFY YEAH, IT'S NOT THE YEAH.
IS, UM, SOME RESIDENTS HAVE MENTIONED IT, IT, IT ISN'T THE, THE SKY SALE BOARD HASN'T COME TOGETHER AND SAID THAT WE WANT THIS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, SO.
WELL, AND SO THIS NOMINATION FORM WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE MADE BY A BOARD.
IT COULD BE MADE BY A RESIDENT, SOMEBODY WITH WHO, WHO'S WITHIN THE MSD.
BUT IT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE STANDARDIZED WOULD BE ON OUR WEBSITE THAT PEOPLE COULD GO TO THE WEBSITE AND FILL IT OUT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REQUESTING SOMETHING THAT THE MSD FUND THAT WOULD COME MIGHT MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO DO THAT.
SO I THOUGHT MAYBE WE'D HAVE A COPY OF THAT TO TALK ABOUT IT AND WE CAN ADOPT IT AND PUT IT ON OUR WEBSITE.
IS THAT AMENABLE TO YOU? ABSOLUTELY.
RICK, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? I THINK IT JUST WOULD BE A GOOD THING THAT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, TO HELP.
JUST A, A THOUGHT THOUGH, IF YOU HAVE A FORM, THERE NEEDS TO BE A PROCEDURE PROCESS SO THAT THEY KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.
WILL SOMEONE GET BACK WITH ME? WILL I BE EXPECTED TO COME TO A MEETING? YOU KNOW, JUST, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DIE IN, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE WILL, THAT'LL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT.
I JUST COULD, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
WHAT WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA AND WHAT YOU COULD EXPECT AND LOOK AT THAT AND WE'LL HAVE A COPY AND WE'LL, YOU KNOW, BEAT IT UP AND WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO AND PUT THE CRITERIA, WHATEVER WE THINK THE EXPECTATION IS GOOD.
THEY RATHER CALL IT NOMINATION FORM RECOMMENDATION.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I USE THAT WORD.
WE CAN CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
JUST THOUGHT IT'LL BE AN EASIER WAY FOR PEOPLE, AGAIN, TRANSPARENT.
IT'S NOT THAT SOMEBODY WENT TO YOU OR, OR YOU, AND THEY JUST, IT'S THERE.
WE'VE GOT SOMETHING IN WRITING.
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IT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO LOOK AT AT OUR MEETINGS.AND MAYBE WE DECIDE THAT WE ONLY LOOK AT THOSE AT OUR FOUR REGULAR MEETINGS A YEAR, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY COME BEFORE US, OR, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE COULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT STILL HAS TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND THAT SHOULD BE IN THE PRINT ON THE FORM SAYING THAT THIS WOULD ONLY BE A RECOMMENDATION TO US TO APPROVE OR REJECT.
BUT THE FINAL AUTHORITY COMES FROM THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? MM-HMM.
UM, AND IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, WE'LL HAVE MINUTES OF COURSE, FROM ALL THE MEETINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO APPROVE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO ADD TO THE NEXT AGENDA, WHICH IS REALLY NEXT WEEK? OKAY.
WELL IF DAVE MEETS WITH EVERYBODY, MAYBE WE'LL HAVE AN UPDATE.
WE'LL HAVE A, A NEW BUSINESS, OLD BUSINESS TYPE.
WE ALWAYS, ON OUR REGULAR MEETING, WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE NEW BUSINESS AND OLD BUSINESS SO THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT HAVE HAD ON PRIOR.
AND I'LL DEFINITELY GO BACK TO THE LAST REGULAR MEETING AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING.
I KNOW ONE OF THE FOLLOW UPS WAS THE CROSSWALK, SO THAT WAS IMPORTANT AND WE WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE PRETTY GOOD.
UM, AND THEN I, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I'M GONNA BE WORKING ON, AND IT'S NOT MS D RELATED, BUT IT IS WITH, UM, THE DOWNTOWN COUNCIL.
I'M ACTUALLY GOING WITH BRAD ON A WALK AROUND.
I'VE JUST NOTICED A LOT OF TRASH IN DOWNTOWN LATELY.
I'VE NOTICED THE SIGNS WE'VE GOT TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON, OR, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESS OWNERS ON THESE SIGNS, THEY'VE GOT TO GO TO THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK.
THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK AND, YOU KNOW, STROLLERS AND PEOPLE CAN'T GET AROUND 'EM.
AND IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S IT IMPORTANT.
UM, I'M GONNA THE SANDWICH BOARD TABLE.
AND, AND IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO GET THEM TO THE EDGE, BUT ALSO THINK ABOUT IT, IF YOU PUT 'EM WHERE THE LINE IS FOR THE, WHERE YOU PARK YOUR CARS, BECAUSE IF YOU PUT IT AT THE EDGE AND SOMEBODY TRIES TO OPEN THEIR CAR DOOR, THEY'RE GONNA OPEN IT INTO THE SIDE AND THE CAR DOOR IS GONNA GET WHACKED.
SO IT'S, IT'S AN EDUCATION PROCESS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
WE WANNA HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT.
I LIKE THE SANDWICH BOARD SIDES.
THEY TELL PEOPLE WHAT OUR SHOPS ARE WHEN THEY'RE OPEN, IF THEY'RE HAVING SPECIALS.
I, AND I'LL TELL YOU, I FUSS WITH THE BAKER'S KITCHEN PEOPLE EVERY DAY I COME DOWN THE STREET.
IT'S NOT WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
I DRAG IT OUT TO THE SIDE BECAUSE I, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO IF YOU SEE ME DRAGGING ANY OF YOUR BUSINESSES SIGNS, I'M JUST DOING IT TO GET IT TO THE EDGE OF THE STREET.
BUT YES, UM, MANY, NOT MANY SEVERAL, UH, BUSINESSES HAVE MORE THAN ONE SIGN AND THEY'RE PUTTING THEM ON EVERY STREET.
UM, SEVERAL BUSINESSES HAVE TWO OR THREE SIGNS AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEIR BUSINESS MAY BE ON BROAD STREET, BUT THEY'VE ALSO GOT A SIGN ON THE 300 BLOCK OF MIDDLE AND MAYBE, UH, ANOTHER ONE ON THE CORNER OF WHERE THE PEPSI STORE IS.
BUT THERE'S SEVERAL AND BEAR PLAZA, THERE'S, UM, SEVERAL BUSINESSES WHO ARE NOT EVEN ON THE 200 BLOCK OF MILL STREET, BUT THEIR SIGNS ARE IN BEAR PLAZA.
SO, UM, DOES THAT FALL, THE SIGN? SO DOES THAT FALL UNDER THE, SO IT IS THE SIGN WHO IT JUST DOES.
SO THE, THE ENFORCEMENT OF THAT ORDINANCE.
AND, UM, WE CAN HAVE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, DETECTIVE DRIVE AROUND AND DON'T BE SURPRISED IF THE MAJORITY OF THE SIGNS DON'T GET PULLED UP FROM WHERE THEY CURRENTLY ARE.
UM, BUT YES, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES LOOK INTO THAT.
SO I GUESS, HOW MANY DE SIGNS IS A BUSINESS ALLOWED TO PUT ON? HOW MANY SANDWICH SIGNS ARE THEY ALLOWED? I BELIEVE BY ORDINANCE IS ONE.
ONE, THE, ONE OF OUR NEWEST BUSINESSES OF WINE AND DESIGN, WHICH IS GREAT.
I, I LOVE, BUT THEIR SIGN IS LIKE FIVE FEET TALL.
I KNOW IT WAS AN EXPENSIVE SIGN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY KNEW THE GUIDELINES.
I KNOW THAT, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.
UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, SWISSAIR DID SEND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN FOR, FOR UPDATING THE SIDE ORDINANCE FOR THAT.
UM, SO WE KNOW THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE SANDWICH BOARDS DOWNTOWN AND THAT, UM, I BELIEVE SWISSAIR AT ONE POINT EVEN TRIED TO OFFER A GRANT WITH SOME BLADE SIGNS WHEN, UH, ON THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
BUT I DON'T THINK Y'ALL DONE MANY SIGNS FOR THAT.
IT'S GONNA BE A PAINFUL ISSUE WHEN, WHEN THIS IS IMPLEMENTED IN THE COURSE.
AND ALSO TO BE AWARE OF BENCHES.
LIKE I'VE NOTICED SOME BENCHES, IF YOU PUT THE BENCHES WHERE THE, UM, TREE TREES ARE AND THAT AREA, THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF SPACE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, WHAT DO YOU
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CALL THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THAT RUBBER RUBBERIZED THING, OR THE GRATE AND THE SIDEWALKS.SO AGAIN, IT, IT'S DIFFICULT IF YOU'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR OR ANYTHING ELSE, SO YOU MAY HAVE TO MOVE YOUR BENCH A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF, WHICH BRINGS ME TO HAVE ALL THE, AROUND THE BASE OF THE TREES.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT, UH, WE, I'M FINDING A LOT OF WEEDS COMING UP THROUGH THAT RUBBERIZED STUFF.
WE WOULD'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH PUBLIC WORK.
NOT, NOT ONLY IN THE, ON THE, UM, ON THE BRICK PAVERS, BUT ALSO ON THE, ON THE FLOOR IN PLACE AS WELL.
SO I KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND HAVE WE CHANGED OUT ALL THE GRATES IN THE MSD? I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'VE ALL BEEN OKAY.
IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD AGAIN, MAYBE COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
I KNOW WE PAID TO PUT THE RUBBERIZED, UM, FILL IN THERE AND I KNOW THAT'S MUCH BETTER THAN THE GRATES.
'CAUSE A LOT STUCK UP PRETTY WELL IN THE LAST FEW YEARS WITH THAT.
DOES EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? THE GRATES AROUND THE TREE AND THEY CHANGED THEM OUT FOR LIKE A RUBBERIZED TYPE MULCH.
MULCH AROUND IT OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WHICH WAS MUCH BETTER THAN THE GRAY.
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIP ON THEM AND FALL AND WE DON'T LET ANYBODY GET HURT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? BUT WE'RE QUICK AND EASY TODAY.
SO AFTER THE CROSSWALK TALK, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MATERIAL, I JUST, I STARTED PAYING ATTENTION AND UM, I GUESS THERE WAS SOME, UM, RUBBERIZED STRIPS THAT ARE ON HANCOCK STREET OVER BY, UH, PORT CHARLIE'S.
THERE'S, AND IT'S, AND UH, I THINK THEY'RE ABOUT 10 YEARS OLD AND THAT STUFF IS NOW TWISTED AND SORT OF BUNCHED UP IS LIKE BUNCHED UP.
AND THEY'RE ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE YEARS OLD NOW.
SO I WAS CONCERNED IN THE STREET.
IT, IT IS LIKE, IT MARKS THE CROSSWALKS, RIGHT? SO THE CROSSWALK, UH, FROM PORT CHARLIE'S, THERE'S A SOUTH FRONT STREET IN HANCOCK.
SO IT'S OVER THERE AND THERE'S A FEW OVER THERE.
AND OUR CROSSWALK ON, UH, MIDDLE STREET, UM, IN FRONT OF THE POST OFFICE.
THERE'S A LITTLE, UM, WHATEVER THE STUFF IS THAT WAS PLACED ON THERE, BUT IT IS A LITTLE TWISTED AND SORT OF CRUMBLING ON THE EDGES.
IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY NICE ANYMORE.
SO I DON'T, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IF THE 10 YEAR WINDOW IS A GOOD IDEA VERSUS JUST PAINT.
IF WE JUST REALLY USED REALLY GOOD PAINT.
THE, THE BIG ISSUE WITH USING PAINT IS THE, THE WHERE YOU HAVE THE VEHICLES GOING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT LITERALLY TO KEEP IT NICE.
IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF YOU, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO REPAINT SOMETHING LIKE THAT EVERY FOUR MONTHS, REALLY.
AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN TO ASK GEORGE TOO, AND, AND WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE THERMO INLAY, UH, TYPE THINGS, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH PEOPLE DOING IT.
UH, SOME OF THE THERMO, UH, STOP BARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU MENTIONED.
IT REALLY ALL DEPENDS ON WHO, WHO INSTALLED IT.
UH, UH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE SIDE, THE CROSSWALKS AS WELL.
BUT WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT ON
MAKE A NOTE OF THAT, MICHAEL, SO YOU CAN ASK HIM AGAIN WHEN THAT'LL BE ON OUR AGENDA FOR NEXT.
AND YOU CAN ASK HIM THAT AGAIN IF YOU DON'T MIND.
MAKE SURE TO ASK HIM ABOUT THE, UH, BRICK CROSSWALK OR CROSSWALKS.
I THINK THERE ARE TWO THAT ARE ON THE 100 BLOCK OF MIDDLE.
OH, THE CONCRETE THAT YOU LIKE SO MUCH.
REAL BRICK, I MEAN, AND A HUNDRED YEARS, RIGHT? A HUNDRED YEARS.
AND THEY BRAND NEW, THE ONE NEAR THE DOUBLE SKY BUMP.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? YES.
HAS ANYBODY HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TRYON PALACE FOUNDATION AS TO IF THEY'VE MADE ANY PROGRESS ON DECIDING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE OLD TALT SLOT? I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THE MONEY.
MY LAST CONVERSATION WAS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FUNDING.
DID THEY, DID THEY HAVE ANY IDEAS AT ANY POINT OR THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ANY FUNDING? I MEAN, IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK, YEAH.
I MEAN, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME STRONG INTERNAL DEBATE AND THERE WAS ONE PLAN THAT, UM, WAS EMBRACED BY ONE GROUP AND REJECTED PARTLY BY ANOTHER.
AND SO I THINK THAT, UM, IT'S BACK TO SQUARE ONE, VERY DIPLOMATIC
I THINK THEY WOULD APPRECIATE THE CASH IN THE BANK MORE THAN
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THEY WOULD APPRECIATE THE, THAT DOESN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT IT, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? WELL, I SUSPECTED THAT, BUT UH, I MEAN IT WOULD BE NICE, YOU KNOW, UM, IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST GET REGULAR UPDATES.BUT THEN AGAIN, IF THEY'RE SPINNING WHEELS SEVERAL TIMES, SO WELL, IF THEY'RE SPINNING THEIR WHEELS FOR A LONG TIME, IT MIGHT BE WORTH ASKING IF THE TOWN, THIS GROUP COULD AT LEAST PUT LIKE SOME BENCHES.
OR IF YOU PUT SOME AMENITY IN THERE TEMPORARILY WHILE THEY'RE FIGURING OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
I'M NOT GONNA SPEND MY MONEY TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, I WOULD RATHER THAN SELL IT
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T GENERATE ANY INCOME TOO.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WHAT THE KIND OF PRESCRIPTION.
YEAH, I DON'T, I, WELL, I THINK I, I THINK IT WAS FIVE YEARS THEY HAD TO HOLD IT MAYBE.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE ON THAT.
UM, BUT THEY PROBABLY LIKE THE MONEY MORE THAN THE POT.
THERE'S STILL SANDWICHES, SO TAKE SOMETHING HOME TO YOUR
BUT IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING CAN I GET A, A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SUBMIT.