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WELCOME AND WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC ATTENDING.THIS IS THE CITY OF NEWBURG MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
REGULAR, UH, QUARTERLY MEETING.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UH, KIM TO PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE.
UM, AT THIS, UH, TIME, UM, DUE TO MY ERROR, I OVERLOOKED IT.
WE'VE BEEN HAVING SO MANY WORKSHOPS, SO WE DON'T DO THE FINANCIAL REPORT OR OUR WORKSHOP, BUT AT OUR REGULAR MEETING, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A FINANCIAL REPORT.
SO I NEED A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO INCLUDE A FINANCIAL REPORT.
SO THE SECOND, SECOND, UH, UH, GRETCHEN, DID YOU MAKE THAT? YES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A OPPOSED? OKAY.
SO IN YOUR PACKET IS A FINANCIAL REPORT, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO KIM.
SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UM, YOUR FIRST PAGE SHOULD BE THE PROVISIONAL COMPARATIVE BALANCE SHEET REPORT ENDING JULY 31ST, 2000, OR, YEAH, JULY 31ST, 2024.
UM, THIS IS PROVISIONAL BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE PROGRESS OF COMPLETING OUR FISCAL YEAR 2324 AUDIT.
UM, ONCE THAT'S COMPLETE, THEN THESE WILL BE FINAL STATEMENTS FOR FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2024.
UM, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T READ THIS YET, UH, ACROSS THE TOP, YOU'VE GOT THE FISCAL YEAR OVER THERE ON THE RIGHT, 2020 5, 2 4 23.
THOSE ARE, UM, FOR HISTORICAL AND COMPARATIVE PURPOSES.
ON THE LEFT, YOU HAVE THE BALANCE SHEET, CLASSIFICATIONS FOR ASSETS, LIABILITIES, THE DEFERRED REP, UM, INFLOWS AND RESOURCES.
AND THEN THAT POSITION, WHAT THIS REPORT TELLS US, IF YOU LOOK AT 2024, IT'S AT OUR TOTAL, UM, NET POSITION ENDING FISCAL YEAR 24 WITH ASSETS MINUS LIABILITIES.
AND, UM, IT, THE IN DEFERRED REVENUE IS $2,048,665.
AND THEN THE 2025 WE'RE ENDING.
WE HAVEN'T HAD MUCH ACTIVITY OBVIOUSLY IN JULY.
SO WE'RE ENDING IN 2025 WITH $2,017,667.
THAT'S OUR NET POSITION FOR JULY 31ST.
SO FISCAL YEAR 25, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE, PUBLIC AS WELL, STARTS JULY ONE OF 24 AND GOES THROUGH JUNE 30 OF 25, CORRECT? YES.
ALRIGHT, JUST EVERYBODY MAKE SURE.
THE SECOND REPORT IS OUR BUDGET TO ACTUAL, UH, REPORT THAT, UM, SHOWS THE CHANGES IN THAT POSITION AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS PROVISIONAL.
SO OUR FISCAL YEAR END AUDIT IS COMPLETE.
ALONG THE TOP YOU HAVE THE FISCAL YEAR FOR HISTORICAL DATA AND COMPARISON PURPOSES.
UM, THE 2023 IS ACTUAL, AND THEN 2024 IS ACTUAL WHAT WE HAVE.
IT'S IT TO DATE TO, SO THAT'S WHY IT SAYS ESTIMATE.
BECAUSE OF THE, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE IN AUDIT, THE FFY 25, YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE THE BUDGET, THE ACTUAL COMPARISON AND THE PERCENT OF THE BUDGET LEFT OR USE, I'M SORRY.
AND THEN, UM, TO THE LEFT ARE OUR BUDGET CATEGORIES, WHICH IS THE REVENUE AND EXPENSE CATEGORIES.
SO YOU TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, THE TOTAL REVENUE INTEREST EARNINGS IS $22 FOR FY 25, THE SALES AND SERVICES, UM, INCOME, WHICH INCLUDES THE FARMER'S MARKET RENTAL INCOME, AND THE PARK MOBILE AND LEASE PARKING INCOME.
WITH THE TOTAL REVENUE RECEIVED SO FAR FOR $4,002, THE EXPENDITURES, UH, CONSIST OF THE CAPITAL OUTLAY.
THAT'S THE GARAGE DOORS AT THE FARMER'S MARKET FOR 35,000.
SO YOUR CHANGE IN THAT POSITION IS, UH, $30,098.
AT THE VERY BOTTOM THERE, YOU'LL SEE THE NET POSITION BEGINNING YEAR, UH, OF THE YEAR FOR JULY 1ST, WHICH IS ALSO YEAR ENDING FY 24 BALANCE.
SO YOUR NET POSITION IS NOW 2,017,000 6 67.
IN YOUR EMAIL, YOU, YOU'LL RECEIVE ALL THE DETAILS AS
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TO WHAT THOSE NUMBERS, THE BACKUP DETAILS FOR WHAT THE NUMBERS MEAN.THE NEXT REPORT IS JUST THE, UM, THE NOTES TO THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
IT COVERS YOUR DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS AND YOUR LOAN BALANCES.
SO, UM, BOTH LOANS THAT YOU, WE HAVE, AND IN FISCAL YEAR 2020 7 28, WE HAVE A BALANCE STARTING BALANCE OF $398,145 AND 51 CENTS.
WE HAVE, UM, PAYMENTS SCHEDULED OF $105,425 AND 81 POINTS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND THEN THAT LEAVES A BALANCE AS OF SIX 30 2025 OF 290 2070.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
MM-HMM,
THE, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST CASE YEAH.
FOR ENDING 5 24 AND, AND MAYBE I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND MUNICIPAL RIGHT ACCOUNTING, BUT IF WE OWE 300 AND SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS, SHOULDN'T THAT BE REFLECTED ON THE BALANCE SHEET? SO WHEN YOU, WELL, WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING OUR AUDIT RIGHT NOW, SO, UM, THE ONLY THING THAT YOU RECOGNIZE IS FOR THE FOLLOWING IS ONE YEAR'S WORK.
AND THAT'S IN A SEPARATE SECTION, SO THEY MAY NEED TO STILL DO THOSE DRAMA TRAYS.
I'LL MAKE A NOTE JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT THOUGH.
SO REALLY THAT'S, I SEE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TOTAL VERSUS THE ONE YEAR PAYMENT.
WELL, YEAH, WE HAVE, UH, 200 OR 2 MILLION IN, IN ESSENTIALLY CASH.
AND THEN WE'RE SAYING THAT THE TOTAL LIABILITIES AND, AND AND ASSETS ARE THAT SAME 2,000,017, WHEN IN FACT WE KNOW WE OWE 398,000.
SO I'M THINKING THAT THE TOTAL LIABILITIES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, I'M THINKING IT SHOULD BE MORE LIKE MILLIONS AND SIX.
AND THEN OF COURSE ON THE, UM, CHANGING IN THAT POSITION, BUDGET AND ACTUAL, THAT'S WHERE YOU DO SHOW DEBT SERVICE ON THAT.
THAT'S FOR THOSE YOU SEE THAT THAT'S FOR ONE YEARS.
IT'S JUST FOR FOR A YEAR'S WORTH OF, IT'S NOT THE TO JOHN.
I MEAN, IF YOU WERE TO BE LOOKING AT THE TOTAL DEBT SERVICE OUTSTANDING, BECAUSE IT DOES GO INTO THE FUTURE, YOU WOULD ALSO THEN HAVE TO LOOK THE REVENUE SIDE OF THE ANNUAL REVENUES, UM, THAT ARE BROUGHT IN ON TAXES AND PROJECT THAT OUT AT THE SAME TIME.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO BALANCE THAT TIME.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, FOR, FOR A CORPORATION, IF IF YOU BORROW MONEY TO BUY A BUILDING, YOU HAVE A CURRENT LIABILITY, WHICH IS THAT COMING YEARS PAYMENT.
AND YOU HAVE A LONG-TERM LIABILITY, WHICH IS WHATEVER IT IS FOR HOWEVER, MAY BE 30 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE.
UM, GOV GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING, GOVERNMENT'S DIFFERENT LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING IS DIFFERENT THAN PRIVATE SECTOR ACCOUNTING.
YOU'LL SEE THAT IN OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
IT'S AUDIT, IT'S ALL, UM, IT'S NOT DONE ON OUR BALANCE SHEETS.
IT'S DONE ON THE, UM, UM, NOTES.
THE ADJUSTED, YEAH, IT SHOWS IT LIKE THE CONVERSION IS THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR.
AS LONG AS IT'S RIGHT ON THE PAGE.
BUT THEY DON'T DO IT ON THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY NECESSARILY, IT'S BEEN PAGE FOR THE FY 24 FOR NO OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.
I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINANCIAL REPORT.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE FINANCIAL REPORT.
JOHN, YOU GET THAT? MICKEY AND JOHN? MICKEY.
IN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAD THREE SETS OF MINUTES.
ONE WAS OUR, UH, MAY 7TH REGULAR MEETING, THEN JUNE 20TH WORK SESSION AND AUGUST 12TH WORK SESSION.
IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT OR WE CAN, UM, APPROVE THE MINUTES ALTOGETHER IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES.
AND I KNOW EVERYBODY GOES DILIGENTLY, RIGHT?
ANY OPPOSED? I'M JUST MAKING SURE BECAUSE SOMETIMES, OKAY.
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LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, UM, ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.UM, RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR THE TREE MAINTENANCE, UM, WITHIN THE M-S-P-M-S-D.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, UM, THERE ARE TWO, TWO TREE RELATED THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE BACK IN 2020.
WE IMPLEMENTED PHASE ONE OF INSTALLING PERKY PA UH, AROUND SEVERAL OF THE TREES IN DOWNTOWN.
AND THAT'S TAKEN THE PLACE OF THOSE STEEL TREE GRAVE.
UM, AND SO WHEN PUBLIC WORKS DID THAT BACK IN 2020, THEY REALLY FOCUSED ON THE MAJORITY OF MIDDLE STREET CRAVEN, P*****K.
UM, IT WASN'T ADDRESSED ON SOUTH FRONT STREET.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS ADDRESSED ON THE HUNDRED BLOCK AND MIDDLE STREET OR BROAD STREET.
UM, SO IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH, WITH, UH, WITH STAFF TO, TO, TO BASICALLY COMPLETE THAT PROJECT, IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT $12,500 IN MATERIALS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF DOES.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT, THE OTHER THING IS BACK IN, UH, UH, EARLY PART OF 2023, WE WENT THROUGH, UH, DOWNTOWN AND PRUNED QUITE A FEW OF THE TREES AND A LOT OF THEM NEEDED THAT WE HAVE TO PRUNE AGAIN.
UH, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS SOUTH FRONT STREET THAT WAS NOT PRUNED.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK OUT AT THE FRONT OF THESE BUILDINGS HERE, YOU SEE THE TREES GROWING INTO THE, UH, THE CANOPY AND, AND THE BUILDING ITSELF.
AND ON MIDDLE STREET, P*****K STREET AND CRAVEN STREET, THE TREES WE'VE PRUNED LAST YEAR, YOU SEE SOME DEAD SPOTS.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PRUNE THOSE THINGS OUT.
SO THE ESTIMATED COST FROM, UH, THAT THE ARBORIST HAS RECEIVED IS APPROXIMATELY 12,000 TO DO THAT.
SO TOTAL FOR TREE RELATED PROJECT IS ABOUT $24,500 IS MOST OF THE PRUNING, UM, OF THE BRANCHES THAT IS TOWARDS THE BUILDING.
'CAUSE I KNOW WHERE WE LIVE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EXPERIENCED THAT, LIKE WHERE YOU ARE, THE TREE JUST GROWS INTO THE, INTO THE BRICK AND THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, WEARS AWAY THE MORTAR AND WHATEVER.
SO THOSE REALLY, THAT SIDE OF IT MORE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED, WHEN WE PLANTED THOSE TREES IN THE NINETIES, THE WHOLE IDEA WAS TO GET SOME KIND OF OUT ARCHWAY, BUT SOME KIND OF CANOPY TO SHADE DOWNTOWN.
BUT THEY SEEM TO GROW MORE TOWARDS THE BUILDING THAN THEY DID TOWARDS THE STREET.
SO WILL THAT BE A PRIORITY TO GET THEM AWAY FROM THE BUILDING? THEY'LL LOOK AT ALL THE BUILDINGS AS WELL.
UM, MOST OF THE TREE TREES RIGHT NOW IN THE AREA THAT THEY PRUNED PREVIOUSLY ARE STILL APPROXIMATELY TWO FEET AWAY.
THERE MAY BE A FEW BRANCHES THAT HAVE GROWN IN, BUT, BUT THEY'LL, THEY WILL CHECK THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PULLED, PULLED OFF APPROPRIATELY.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO EVERY FEW YEARS ANYWAY WITH THESE TREES IS THEY CONTINUE TO, UH, THESE TREES CONTINUE TO GET OLDER.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO REPLACEMENTS.
WE'VE, I THINK WE'VE DONE MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
SOME OF THEM HAVE TAKEN, SOME OF THEM HAVE NOT.
BUT, UM, A LOT OF THESE TREES ARE ROOT BOUND RIGHT NOW.
UH, AND THAT'S GOING CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE.
THE, THE KOVA IS A, IS A GREAT TREE FOR DOWNTOWN.
BACK WHEN THE APPEARANCE COMMISSION WAS IN PLACE, UM, THEY TALKED ABOUT RECOMMENDING ANOTHER TREE, BUT IT REALLY CAME BACK TO THIS, THIS TYPE OF TREE IN DOWNTOWN REALLY WORK.
WE DO HAVE A SHALLOW ROOF BASE, AND WE'RE ALSO PREVENTED FROM THE BUILDINGS AND ALSO THE CURBING, UH, ON WHERE THAT, WHERE THOSE ROOTS CAN GROW.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GET GEORGE TO GO DOWN.
I SAW TWO PEOPLE TRIP THIS IN THE LAST WEEK OF ON THE UNEVEN PAVERS THAT ARE, UH, ON MIDDLE AND P*****K.
BOTH PLACES I SAW PEOPLE, 'CAUSE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PUSHING UP WHERE THE BRICKS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RUBBER HAS DONE A GREAT JOB AND I'M GLAD TO HAVE THAT.
BUT I GUESS THE ROOTS ARE STILL COMING UP AND PUSHING UP THE BRICKS WHERE I AFRAID SOMEBODY'S GONNA GET HURT.
SO THE ROOTS, THE GROWING ROOTS, THAT THAT'S A CONSISTENT ISSUE.
SO PUBLIC WORKS DOES INSPECT ON A REGULAR BASIS FOR THOSE THINGS.
OF COURSE, IF, IF ANYONE HAPPENS TO SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, LET US KNOW.
WE'LL MAKE SURE STAFF ADDRESSES THAT ISSUE QUICKLY.
I THINK THIS HAS, MAY HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WITH GEORGE, BUT UM, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THE ARBORIST INCLUDES THE, UH, WALKWAY ALONG THE RIVER TR RIVER FRONT.
UM, SOME OF THAT, UH, THE TREE REMOVAL IN THAT AREA ARE TRIMMING.
WE DO, UM, IN-HOUSE BETWEEN OURSELVES AND PARTS RECREATION.
BUT THAT'S ON YOUR, YOUR YES, IT IS, IT IS.
ESPECIALLY OVER THAT ARBOR, I GUESS ON THE TAPS THROUGH SIDE DOWN THAT DIRECTION.
FOSTER, WHAT DID YOU CALL THAT? RUBBER MULCH? PER, PER, IT'S IT'S PERKY PAGE.
IT LIKE PERCOLATION PER A LITTLE OF PER PAVE, THAT'S ALL.
SAY THAT TOGETHER THREE TIMES FAST.
IT WAS IN MY JACKET, TURKEY PAPER.
OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, REGARDING THIS INFORMATION FROM COST.
SO DOES THIS COMPLETE THE, THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT HAVE NOT, UM, GOT THE PERKY PAVE YET, ACCORDING TO PUBLIC COURTS, THAT SHOULD COMPLETE THAT PROCESS? YES.
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UM, SO FOSTER, WILL THERE BE TREES REMOVED AND NEW TREES COMING IN AT SOME POINT? THAT'S EVALUATED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WHEN THE COMES BY? UH, AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, AS TREES DIE OUT, YES, WE HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE AND INSTALL THEM.SO, UH, WE HAVE FUNDS ALREADY IN PLACE, CITY-WISE THERE, STREET TREES WHERE WE INSTALL THOSE TREES.
BUT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T DO IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TREE IN FRONT OF MY PLACE, BECAUSE WE CAN GET UP ABOVE THE BUILDING AND OUR TREE IS DEAD, THERE'S LEAVES, BUT AT THE, THE TOP OF THAT TREE, THAT CROWN IS DEAD.
SO, AND THE ROOTS ARE PUSHING THE BRICK UP.
SO WHAT, SO WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR, I MEAN, DO YOU REMOVE THE BRICK, YOU TAKE OUT THE TREE? SO THE ARBORIST WILL EVALUATE THE TREE IN QUESTION.
IF THEY, IF THEY DEEM THE TREE AS DEAD, THEN THE TREE WILL COME OUT AND A REPLACEMENT WILL BE INSTALLED WITH A, A, A BRAND NEW FRESH TREE, NEW HIDE TREE THAT WILL GROW.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS? WE WILL NEED A MOTION.
AND THIS MOTION WOULD NEED TO STATE THAT WE WOULD, UM, ASK THE ALDERMAN TO SPEND $24,500 FOR THESE TWO SUBJECTS, UM, OF THE, UH, PRUNING OF THE TREES AND THE PERKY PAY.
SO THIS AGAIN, WOULD GO TO THE ALDERMAN, BUT IT WOULD BE ALL RECOMMENDED.
WE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING TO SPEND THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
WELL, I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE ALDERMAN, UH, EXPENDITURES OF APPROXIMATELY 24,500 FOR, UM, HERKY PAVE AND, UH, TREE MAINTENANCE PER
DO I HAVE SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALRIGHT, HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? GEORGE? GET HER DONE, RIGHT,
SO THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE AT THE WORKSHOP, WE TALKED ABOUT A PROJECT PROPOSAL FORM OF THAT THAT WE HAVE WHERE, UH, IF CITIZEN VISITORS OR WHATNOT OR WE DOWNTOWN AND THEY THOUGHT, HMM, MAYBE THEY'D BE A GREAT PROJECT FOR THE M STATE.
AND THAT COULD BE A NICE EASY PROCESS, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO FOLLOW.
AND SO WE'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION HERE, AND I'M GONNA COVER THESE GUIDELINES AND TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS.
BUT THE GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROJECT WOULD BE SUBMITTED ON THE APPROPRIATE FORM.
AND THAT FORM IS LOCATED ONLINE.
UH, AND YOU CAN GO THROUGH IT@ERMC.GOV.
UH, IF YOU LOOK INTO THE RESIDENTIAL TAB UNDER THE MSD, THEN THAT'S WHERE YOU WILL SEE THIS FORM.
UM, SO FORMS CAN BE SUBMITTED ONLINE OR YOU CAN ALSO PRINT ONE OFF AND YOU CAN EMAIL IT IN TO MSD@NEW.GOV AND STAFF WILL RETAIN THOSE, UM, FORMS SHOULD BE FILLED OUT COMPLETELY.
YOU'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO UPLOAD PICTURES OF EXAMPLES OF THINGS IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
UM, SO IF WE RECEIVE FORMS BEFORE THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING, THE AGENDA GOES OUT, WE WILL INCLUDE THAT IN, IN AN UPCOMING REGULAR MEETING AGENDA.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROJECTS AND SEE IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE GOVERNING BOARD.
AND SO PROJECTS THAT COULD BE COMPLETED WITH M MS D FUNDS, OF COURSE IT HAS TO DO WITHIN THE MSD DISTRICT TO USE THOSE FUNDS.
AND SO WE INCLUDED THE STATUTE, UH, ON WHAT, WHAT ARE APPROPRIATE USES OF THOSE FUNDS FOR, FOR ANYONE TO SEE THAT INFORMATION.
UM, OF COURSE IT, IT IS UP TO THIS, THIS BOARD IF YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND A PROJECT OR NOT.
SO THIS BOARD RESERVES THE RIGHT TO DENY OR OR ACCEPT, UH, POTENTIAL PROJECT OR RANK IT HOWEVER YOU, YOU CHOOSE TO.
AND SO ON THE NEXT PAGE, YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE THE WEBSITE ITSELF ON, ON WHERE THIS, WHERE THE LINK IS LOCATED.
YOU'LL ALSO SEE THE FORM ITSELF.
THERE'S A QR CODE IF YOU WANT TO TRY IT OUT, YOU CAN SCAN THAT ON YOUR SMARTPHONE AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY FILL, FILL SOMETHING OUT THERE AND, AND GO FROM THERE.
UM, I RECEIVED THIS, UH, THE CLERK RECEIVES IT, THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER RECEIVES IT AND, AND, UH, REBECCA OFFERED MY ADMIN RECEIVES IT.
SO REBECCA'S THE ONE THAT'S GONNA MAINTAIN THIS.
AND SO WE'LL SEND THIS INFORMATION OUT PRIOR TO EACH MEETING IF WE HAVE ANY FORMS. UH, AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
BUT THIS, THIS IS LIVE NOW, BUT IT'S EASY TO, TO ADDRESS.
UM, SHOULD YOU MAKE A LINK TO THIS SAME MSD PAGE? I SEE THIS IS HOME RESIDENCE M MSS D MM-HMM.
SHOULD THERE BE HOME BUSINESS MSD LINK AS WELL? OH YES.
IT, WHEREVER THE M MSS D IS, YOU CAN FIND IT AND IT MAY BE UNDER BUSINESS AS WELL.
IF IT IS NOT UNDER BUSINESS, CAN I ADD AS YOUR BUSINESS? ABSOLUTELY.
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CAN ANYONE, UM, SEND IN THIS FORM IN ANY OF THE SIX WARDS? ANY, THE WHOLE COUNTY, RIGHT? ANYONE? SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE YES, BECAUSE THIS, THIS BOARD IS THE ONE THAT'S, UH, UM, THAT ANY POTENTIAL PROJECTS AND, AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANNA RECOMMEND THOSE PROJECTS TO THE GENERAL BOARD.SO IF WE START GETTING A WHOLE BUNCH OF RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGH THIS APPLICATION AND THEY CAN COME FROM, DO THEY HAVE TO ONLY COME FROM PEOPLE IN WARD ONE IN THE MSD FOOTPRINT OR IT CAN JUST BE ANY, IT, IT CAN COME FROM ANYONE NOW.
IT MUST BE WITHIN, BUT IT MUST HERE, BUT YOU CAN LIVE IN WARD THREE OR FIVE OR WHATEVER AND STILL HAVE A SUGGESTION.
I LIKE THAT PROBABLY FROM ITALY.
I WAS, I WAS TAKEN BACK FOR A MINUTE AND I SAID, WELL, WOULD I WANT SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T PAY THE TAX TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? BUT, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WOULD DECIDE IF THAT RECOMMENDATION WOULD GO FORWARD OR NOT AND THEN WE CAN SAY THAT ONE CAME FROM ITALY.
SO THAT, AND THAT'S WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMUNITY TO BENEFIT THOSE THINGS.
THE ONLY THING THAT WITH THAT, IF YOU GET IDEAS, IF YOU GET IDEAS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, PROCESS OF THAT, DO WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN AND AGAIN? AGAIN? NO, YOU WOULDN'T ONCE WE TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING.
IF YOU SEE REQUEST A MONTH LATER EXACTLY.
THAT'S WHEN IT, YOU DON'T RECEIVE IT.
I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY GOT A RECORD BASED IN THE MINUTES THAT AT THIS TIME YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN ADDRESSING.
SO, AND ON THE FORM, IS THERE JUST SOME KIND OF A REMINDER OF HOW LARGE THE MSD IS, LIKE INCLUDING THESE STREETS, JUST EVEN, I KNOW IT'S MULTIPLE PLACES ON THE WEBSITE, BUT IT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL TO HAVE IT ONE MORE TIME.
IT'S NOT ON THE FORM, BUT IT DOES ADDRESS WITHIN THE MSD BOUNDARY.
AND SO YOU CAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO SENSE IN, IN CREATING THAT BOUNDARY MAP ON EVERY SINGLE THING.
NOT A MAP, BUT JUST REMINDER THAT IT'S THESE STREETS TO THESE STREETS.
I THINK RATHER THAN THE STATUTE.
YEAH, JUST DEFINITION THESE SEVEN BLOCKS OR WHATEVER FROM THE TREK RIVER TO BROAD STREET, FROM THE NOOSE RIVER TO C**K JUST RIGHT.
LINK THEM OR LINK IT BACK TO ANOTHER LINK, UH, QUESTION MARK THAT'S IN THE BLACK CIRCLE.
UH, AT THIS POINT IT JUST REPEATS THE SAME THING, BUT MAYBE PUT THE DEFINITION THERE, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE COULD EASILY FIND THE DEFINITION OR, UM, DOES THE INTERACTIVE ZONING MAP HAVE THE LIMITS OF THE MSV? IT MIGHT BE EASY JUST TO LINK IT TO THAT, RIGHT? OR IT, IT POSSIBLY DOES.
IT HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT OVERLAYS.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU CONFUSING WITH, WITH SOME OF THOSE OTHER QUESTIONS.
OTHER COMMENTS? GOOD JOB, FOSTER.
TURN THAT AROUND PRETTY QUICKLY.
WHO FOLLOWS UP? SORRY? WHO FOLLOWS UP WITH THE, UH, SO STAFF WILL FOLLOW UP WITH, WITH THE FOLKS IF, IF WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THOSE WITH ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE, WE'LL VET IT AND MAKE SURE WE GET ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT WAY WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH, WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD.
AND OF COURSE WE'LL INVITE WHOEVER SUBMITS THAT INFORMATION TO THEM AS WELL TO BOOK THAT MEETING.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEN, UM, I THINK WE WOULD NEED, UM, A VOTE TO RECOMMEND AGAIN, WOULD THIS HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AS WELL? NO.
SO WE WOULD HAVE A VOTE TO ADOPT THIS FORM AS, AS IT SHOWS US AND THE GUIDELINES, UM, AS OUR REGULAR PROCESS NOW.
SO I WOULD NEED THAT IN A MOTION.
SO DAVID'S SECOND MOTION FROM BOND.
ANY OPPOSED? SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED IT.
I, WE REGISTER MR. ROBINSON AS, AS ENOUGH.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MOVE.
WELL, I THINK IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS AND THAT'S FINE.
UM, I THINK IT JUST, I THINK THAT'S PART OF HIS JOB.
UH, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS CROSSWALK.
SO FOSTER, WE GET FURTHER HERE.
YOU GONNA ASK GEORGE AND DAVID, DAVID COME UP BROUGHT YES.
BROUGHT A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO AND WE JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TONIGHT I'M, I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO DEFERRED TO DAVE OFFICIAL, UH, THE WORKS DIRECTLY.
GREAT JOB ON THIS NOW THAT WE HAVE HIM ON BOARD AS A STAFF ENGINEER.
AND BULLET MARK THIS FACILITATED, UH, MORE TIMELY RESPONSIVE THE REQUEST AND HE'S GOT INVESTIGATION ON THESE INTERSECTIONS, UM, AS HE'LL GO THREE.
YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT TWO DIFFERENT FORMS OF THIS, WHICH IS ONE BEING UTILIZING
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A REAL BRICK CROSSWALK, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO SOME DOWNTOWN.AND THEN THERE IS, UH, OPTION TWO, WHICH IS A STAMPED THERMO BAY TYPE, UH, CROSSWALK.
AND WE HAVE DONE COST ALLOCATIONS BY INTERSECTION DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF SURFACE, UM, IS CHANGING TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN THOSE SECTIONS.
BUT, UM, I'LL LET DAVE KIND OF GO OVER THIS WITH YOU AND, AND HOW THE PRICES WERE, WERE FORMULATED.
UM, I THINK, UH, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO I WAS ABLE, UH, COME IN HERE.
YOU GUYS TOOK A FIRST STAB AT LOOKING AT SOME, UH, CROSSWALK IMPROVEMENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UM, I PUT SOME PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, BUT ALSO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THOSE, UH, HISTORICAL AESTHETICS AND TRYING TO MAKE THESE, UH, MATCH WITH THAT.
WE HAD LOOKED AT TWO PRIMARY SURFACE TREATMENTS, UM, IN THAT MEETING.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS CAME UP, MADE A COUPLE ADJUSTMENTS WAS WAS DOING MORE TRADITIONAL BRICK LAYING THAT LAYING THE WHOLE BRICK DOING A BRICK CROSSWALK.
UM, SO WE NARROW, WE WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT ONE OF THOSE SURFACE TREATMENT, UM, APPLICATIONS.
WHAT WE, WE'VE TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO, UM, INSTALLING BRICK CROSSWALKS, TRUE BRICK CROSSWALKS.
UM, THE FIRST PAGE OF THE HANDOUT I GAVE YOU SHOWS THE INTERSECTION WE ADDED, UM, TWO CROSSINGS ON HENDERSON STREET, UM, INTERSECTIONS.
IT'D JUST BE THE NORTH SOUTH, UH, CROSSWALK.
ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HANDCUFF, HANDCUFF, HANDCUFF.
CAN I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? CAN WE, CAN WE DO THAT WITH THE RAILROAD? WILL THE RAILROAD ALLOW THAT? WE CAN'T CROSS THE TRACK.
WE, WE NEED TO STAY, WE NEED TO ACTUALLY STAY ON THE EAST, EAST SIDE.
UM, AND THEN WITH THE, THE THREE OR THE SIX ORIGINAL INTERSECTIONS FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING, UM, RUNNING DOWN P*****K STREET AND SOUTH BRONX STREET.
UM, ANOTHER CAVEAT TO NOTE, UM, SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE, UM, PAVEMENT CONDITIONS, THE ROUNDABOUT AS YOU SEE THERE AT, AT FRONT AND BROAD, THE, THE BRICK IN THAT, UM, MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR, FOR THE GROUP TO TALK ABOUT OR CONSIDER, UM, REPLACING SOME, REPLACING THAT BRICK.
UM, THE EXISTING BRICK IN IT ISN'T A TRUE STREET BRAIDED BRICK, UM, STREET RATED BRICKS, A LOT DENSER, A LOT STRONGER.
THESE, THESE AREN'T, UM, WITH SOME OF THE TRUCKS GOING OVER, YOU CAN SEE, UM, IT'S PROBABLY ALL OF YOUR DOWNTOWN.
OFTEN YOU CAN SEE HOW THE EDGES START TO, UM, DETERIORATE AND THEY LEVELIZE THOSE, UM, WHEN THE EQUIPMENT DRAGS OVER 'EM.
UM, SO THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS SOME OPTIONS FOR THAT ROUNDABOUT.
UM, THE TOP PICTURE SHOWS WHAT A STAIN CONCRETE WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THAT APRON.
UM, AND THEN THE MIDDLE PICTURE SHOWS REPLACING WITH THE STREET BRICK, UM, THE CROSSWALKS.
IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THE, THE TRADITIONAL BRICK, WE WANT TO TRY TO MATCH THOSE AESTHETICS DOWN THERE LIKE EXISTING, UH, CROSSWALK IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH ON
AND THE THIRD PAGE SHOWS WHAT, UM, THAT SURFACE TREATMENT, THIS IS CALLED PATTERN PAVE.
IT'S A THERMOPLASTIC, UH, IT'S LIKE THE, THE PAINT THAT YOU SEE ON THE STREETS.
UM, THEY USE A, A STEEL WIRE TO GET THAT BRICK PATTERN IMPREGNATED INTO THAT ASPHALT SURFACE.
AND THEN THEY COVER IT WITH, UH, WITH THE THERMO PLASTIC COVERING TO, TO LIKE THE BRICKS.
UM, BACK ON THE FIRST PAGE, THE P*****K STREET INTERSECTIONS, UM, ARE A LITTLE SMALLER THAN THE FRONT STREET SECTIONS.
FRONT SOUTH FRONT HAS A TURN LANE AT THOSE INTERSECTION, SO THEY'RE A LITTLE LESS EXPENSIVE.
UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $53,000 IN INTERSECTION FOR, UM, THE, THE PATTERN PAVE THE, THE SURFACE, UH, CROSSWALK.
UM, ALONG WITH THAT WE WOULD RESURFACE THAT INTERSECTION AND THEN THAT'S A REQUIREMENT.
NOT ONLY, UM, SOME OF THE INTERSECTION ARE WOULD BENEFIT FROM IT, BUT, UM, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND REPAID OR REPAIR INTERSECTION THREE, FOUR YEARS LATER IF THAT ASPHALT IS FAILING BECAUSE YOU WANT THIS, UH, WHEN YOU BE REAPPLYING THIS TREATMENT, IF YOU WENT WITH THE BRICK, THE TRADITIONAL BRICK, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $108,000 IN INTERSECTION.
UM, IT IS, IT'S, IT'LL LAST MUCH LONGER, 30, 40, 50 YEARS.
UM, BOTH SYSTEMS, WE WOULD HAVE THE IN-HOUSE ABILITY TO MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, IF BRICKS GOT LOOSE, WE UM, WE COULD REPLACE BRICKS.
IF, UM, UH, THERE WAS A TRENCH CUT, A UTILITY REPAIR THAT WAS NECESSARY IN THAT STREET, WE COULD ALSO APPLY THAT THERMO, UM, THAT THERMO APPLICATION ON THE PATTERN PAGE SYSTEMS. OH, THE BRICKS YOU TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN ARE, AND I'M TRYING TO THINK ON THE P*****K STREET, DID WE
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REUSE THE BRICKS THAT WE HAD TAKEN UP THE ORIGINAL BRICKS THAT WERE UNDERNEATH THE STREET? THOSE THOSE WERE REUSED? YES.ARE THEY ELIGIBLE FOR REUSE? WE COULD LOOK INTO IT.
UM, IF THEY WERE, BECAUSE I KNOW WE GOT A WAREHOUSE FULL OF THEM.
DON'T WE HAVE A BUNCH OF THEM? AND THAT COULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR, THEY, YOU KNOW, USING TO SEE HOW MANY WE HAVE COVERAGE.
IF WE ONLY HAD ENOUGH TO DO THREE INTERSECTIONS, UM, PROBABLY HAVE A DIFFERENT MAJOR INTERSECTION, SOMETHING GOOD.
IT'D BE NICE TO REUSE THEM SINCE THEY ACTUALLY CAME OUT.
I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ON SOME OF THOSE FAVORS, SOME ARE NOT TO A QUALITY TO HANDLE MODERN TRAFFIC AND THEY DETERIORATE MUCH FASTER.
WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT GETTING A TRAFFIC RATE PAPER THAT IS TUMBLED, WHICH MAKES IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE SCARRED WITH DIFFERENT COLOR VARIATIONS.
SO THERE, THERE'S MODERN MATERIALS.
WE USED TO GET THE SAME AESTHETIC LOOK, UM, WITHOUT HAVING THE, THE MATERIAL TO RAISE THE TASK.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE AT CHRIST CHURCH AND IT SEEMS THAT IT'S WORN PRETTY WELL.
COULD WE TEND TO REUSE THAT? 'CAUSE THEY ARE JUST SITTING IN THE YARD SOMEPLACE? WELL, AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE ORIGINALLY UTILIZED BEFORE STREET PING.
UM, THE INTER INTERESTING THING ABOUT THAT IS THOSE PAPERS WERE INTENDED WHEN THEY WERE MADE TO BE PUT ON EDGE, NOT FACE DISPLAY WHERE YOU SEE THE, WHERE THEY WERE.
SO IN AN EFFORT TO SAVE MONEY, THESE CITIES LAID A FLAT, BUT THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION BACKGROUND WAS SET ON EDGE.
HOW, HOW MANY BRICKS DO YOU HAVE IN STORAGE? DO YOU HAVE IN, IN, WELL STORAGE IS A BROAD WORK
WE HAVE LARGE MOUNTAINS THAT HAVE BEEN EXCAVATED OUT OF BUSH AND NOT BEEN CLEANED OR SEPARATED AND SEE HOW, WHICH TAKES A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO CLEAN THOSE
DID YOU GUYS INCLUDE A PRICE FOR A CROSSWALK ON, UM, UM, ON CRAVEN STREET, UM, CONNECTING THE, UM, CRAVEN STREET PARKING LOT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, HALF LOCKED, UM, A MIDLOCK? WE DID NOT, WE DID NOT INCLUDE THE MIDLOCK, BUT WE COULD, YEAH.
AND YOU CAN LOOK, UM, YOUR MIDBLOCK CROSSING ABOUT $12,000 FOR THE THERMO AND ABOUT 26,000 FOR THE TRADITIONAL GRID.
YEAH, IT'D BE VERY SIMILAR TO A SINGLE LEGS ON, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THEON FOSTER.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THE ROUNDABOUT.
YOU KNOW, I, I SEE, I GUESS THIS PICTURE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE IS THE DETERIORATION OF THE BRICK AT THE ROUNDABOUT.
WELL ISN'T THAT WHERE THE, THE TRUCKS, 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T GET ON THE ROUNDABOUT.
THEY'RE COMING UP ON THE CURB.
THAT'S REALLY THE RESULT OF THAT.
THE D THAT WASN'T MADE FOR CARS THAT GO ON.
THERE, THERE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE ISSUES, UM, WITH THE, THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
ONE BEING THE DIAMETER IS CURRENTLY 30, UH, DOT MINI ROUNDABOUT, WHICH IS THE SMALL AS THAT ONE COST 50.
SO IT, IT, IT CAN'T ACCOMMODATE LARGER TRUCKS.
UM, AND WHAT WE SEE IS NOT NECESSARILY THE ENTIRE TRAFFIC ON IT, BUT IT'S A FRAME OF A LONGER TRAILER HANGS UP ON THE CENTER OF IT.
SO REGARDLESS OF THE MATERIAL WE PUT BACK, UM, WE COULD PROBABLY PUT BACK SOMETHING THAT COULD WITHSTAND A TRAILER BEING DRUG ON IT, BUT IT WOULD LIKELY NOT BE THE FRONT OF HAVING THAT OFF.
WELL THAT, EXCUSE ME, THAT, THAT ROUNDABOUT THERE'S NO, UM, THE SIDEWALKS DON'T DIRECT YOU TO GO INSIDE OF THE CIRCLE.
SO THOSE, THOSE SIDEWALKS ARE JUST DECORATIVE.
AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT WE THOUGHT WE COULD DO, UM, AT DIFFERING PRICE RANGES.
UM, ONE OF THE, THE, AN EASY WAY TO ADDRESS IT TO SEE IF IT, IT HANDLES IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER WITH THE WEAR WITHOUT TAKING ALL THE BRICK OUTS.
TAKE TWO OR UH, GO THREE COURSES IN, TAKE THOSE BRICKS OUT AND THEN PUT CONCRETE IN THERE.
SO, SO IF THE FRAMES WOULD STAR ON THE CONCRETE, WHICH WOULD NOT TEAR THE BRICK UP AS EASILY, WOULD YOU LEAVE THE EXISTING FRAME AND LEAVE THE REST OF THE ROAD? WHICH IS NOT ROAD, BUT THAT'S ALSO NOT ROAD RATED, IS THAT NO, THEY'RE NOT TRACK RATED.
THEY'RE LIKE GARDEN NOT FOR WALL, FOR FOR PEDESTRIAN WALL.
SO ONE QUESTION I HAVE, ARE YOU PRESENTING THE ROUNDABOUT PROPOSING CROSSWALKS THERE, ARE YOU PRESENTING IT JUST TO SHOW THE DEFICIENCY WITH THE BRICK? YEAH, IT, IT WAS SOMETHING, IT IS MORE OF A TALKING POINT THAN THE DECISION POINT WITH CROSSWALKS.
AND SINCE CROSSWALKS WERE USING BRICK, WE MAY USE BRICK IN THIS ROUND OF
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SO IT A SIMILAR APPLICATION BUT DIFFERENT CROSS.
SO YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING CROSSWALKS AT, CORRECT? WELL THERE'S CROSSWALKS ON EAST FRONT, BUT NOTHING ON BROAD STREET THAT GOES ACROSS THERE.
I'D LOVE TO SEE A CROSSWALK ON BROAD STREET.
WELL, I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE AND I THINK WE MIGHT NOT, WE MAY WANT TO WAIT WITH WHATEVER THE COUNTY'S GOING TO DO WITH THAT PROPERTY.
I HATE TO SPEND THE MONEY TO DO THIS AND THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
UM, THE PIER, I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH THE STREET, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING THAT WOULD LEAD TO THE PIER AT THE END OF THAT AREA THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY REDEVELOP THAT AREA.
SO I REALLY WOULD, MY, MY OPINION IS JUST TO TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S TOO MANY WHAT IFS AND CONCENTRATE ON SOME OF THE OTHER BROADWALK.
I AGREE THAT, UH, UH, CROSSWALKS, I AGREE THAT WE DO NEED SOME CONNECTIVITY FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING DOWN THERE.
I JUST THINK THE FUTURE IS KIND OF UP IN THE AIR.
SHE SOON YEAH, I, WE REVISIT, I AGREE.
I HAVE A FRONT ROW VIEW OF THAT AND THERE'S TOO MUCH GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND I THINK WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THE NEW TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE GONNA BE WITH THE SHRINERS AND THE PEER.
BUT IT IS DEFINITELY AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE RAISED LATER.
AND ALSO IN THE HANDOUT, THE LAST TWO PAGES SHOW, UM, MAYBE KIND OF, SORT OF THE TOTAL COST FOR THOSE, UH, CROSSWALKS ONLY.
UM, LOOKING AT THAT PATTERN PAGE SYSTEM YEAR AROUND $360,000, UH, FOR THOSE HIGHLIGHTED INTERSECTIONS AND IN THE TRADITIONAL BRICK HERE AT ABOUT SEVEN 44,000.
AND WHERE WOULD YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK OR COULD YOU WORK UP FIGURES FOR THE STORED BRICK, THE REVIEW, THE CLEANING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA? YEAH, WE, YEAH.
WE COULD PULL SOME, SOME COSTS AND GET SOME QUOTES FOR, FOR ADDING OR, OR DO WE WANT TO TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE? NO, I MEAN I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT ALL THAT.
WE HAVE ONE I WAS GONNA ASK THAT I WAS GONNA ASK, IS CLEANING THOSE BRICKS ECONOMICALLY VIABLE OR ARE WE BETTER OFF JUST BUYING NEW? BECAUSE IF WE'RE PAYING $5 A BRICK TO GET SOMEONE TO WIRE BRUSH 'EM, RIGHT? YOU CAN BUY A BRAND NEW ONE FOR $2.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S SMART MONEY, BUT THEY'RE HISTORICAL
YOU STOP AND THINK THAT EVERY TIME YOU WALK IN CHRIST CHURCH.
I, THAT'S HOW WE WOULD HAVE TO, WE WERE TO DELIVER THIS PROJECT WE A CONTRACT, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THOSE BRICKS CLEANED AND READY FOR THAT CONTRACTOR TO USE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD KEEP FINDING A CONTRACTOR THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE EFFORT OF DOING THE THING THEMSELVES.
IT MIGHT NOT BE THEIR SKILLSET.
WHAT ABOUT THOSE BRICKS? WHAT ABOUT COMMUNITY COLLEGE? DON'T ONLY HAVE THE MASONRY PROGRAM OVER THERE.
I MEAN I WANT TO REACH OUT TO THEM.
I MEAN IT MIGHT BE A LONG TERM THING.
REACH OUT TO THEM AND SAY, OKAY, CAN YOU DO THIS MAYBE A YEAR, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WE GOT DONE.
DO SOMETHING GOOD TO WHERE WE CAN PUT THE, UM, IS IT, IS IT MORE ECONOMICAL TO UM, DO IT ALL TOGETHER OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TAKE SECTION BY SECTION TO SPEND THE MONEY? 'CAUSE IT'S A LARGE SUM OF MONEY THAT WOULD REALLY BE A FINANCING PROJECT FOR US, I WOULD THINK.
UM, RATHER THAN, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY HAVE THE FUNDS, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO, YEAH, YOU CAN FIND CHEAP MONEY, CAN'T YOU
SOME OF THOUGHT THAT ARE BAD SHAPE.
ALL THOSE INTERSECTIONS WITHIN THAT FOOTPRINT OF THOSE CROSSWALKS INSIDE WOULD BE.
WHAT ABOUT, UM, TAKING A LOOK AT THE, UM, SUB GRADINGS.
I KNOW IF YOU DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE, UM, UNDER DRAINS, YOU KNOW THAT THAT REALLY CAUSES THE DEGRADATION OF, OF PAIN THAT ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES TO PUT SUB DRAINS AND TIE INTO? YES.
UM, WE'VE BEEN INCLUDING OUR, IN OUR BID DOCUMENTS NOW WITH SOME OF OUR STREET PROJECTS.
UM, SOME, SOME GRADING, SOME FINISHED GRADING WHEN THEY COME IN AND UH, MILL UP THE STREET.
UM, AND THE CONTRACT COME IN AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE GOOD STATE BASE AND DRAIN GRADE IT ACCORDINGLY.
BUT I MEAN UNDER UNDERNEATH THOUGH, YOU, YOU HAVE SUB DRAINS WITHIN THAT, UM, BASE TO TIE IT TO A FORM.
SO IF THERE'S ONE AROUND, AND I, I KNOW WE HAVE THE HIGH WATER TABLE AND ALL THAT STUFF TO DEAL WITH.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE MYSELF IF THERE IS ANY SORT OF UNDER DRAINAGE SYSTEM ON, ON THAT, THOSE EXISTING STREETS DOWN THERE.
UM, LOOKING AT PUTTING ONE IN MIGHT THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE, THAT MIGHT TAKE SOME TIME AND AND EFFORT TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD LOOK AND HOW WE WOULD TIE THAT INTO TO EXISTING DRAINAGE.
UM, THAT'S I ASSUME, UH, WITH THE STREET RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS YOUR, YOUR BASE SEEMS FOR THE MOST PART, UH, IN GOOD CONDITION DOWN THERE.
YOU'VE GOT UTILITY PATCHES AND SOME OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS I THINK THAT MIGHT GIVES YOU, THAT GIVES
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YOU THE IDEA OF YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME BASE ISSUES, UM, THE, THAT YOU ADDRESS WHEN WE DO THE INTER WORK WITH THAT FINISHED GRADING THAT WE CALL THE, THE CONTRACTORS FOSTER, IS THERE ANYBODY ON CITY STAFF THAT CAN LOOK AT GRANTS? I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THROUGH MAIN STREET OR SOMETHING MAYBE USING STAR BRICK.IS THERE ANY WE LOOK AT 'EM ALL THE TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THERE'S SOME GRANT MONEY? DO SOME SOMETHING SPECIALIZED HERE BECAUSE IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A MAIN STREET TYPE PROGRAM.
UM, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT OUR GRANT FOLKS TODAY.
NOT SO JOHN, LEMME JUST GET JOHNNY WHEN WE, UH, BORROWED MONEY, TWO QUESTIONS.
NUMBER ONE, WHAT'S THE NORMAL AMORTIZATION PERIOD? NUMBER TWO, WHAT'S THE, UH, CURRENT INTEREST RATE FOR THAT TYPE? IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT KIM CAN FIND.
SHE BIDS IT OUT AND AND SENDS IT TO THE DIFFERENT BANKS AND THEN THEY RESPOND.
SAY THAT THE RATES, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT'S NOT, IT'S PRIVATE FINANCED FROM THE BANK TO THE CITY.
WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, SOME FINANCIALS TO LOOK TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE OUR BEST, UM, WAY TO HANDLE IT.
I I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE BUY A BRICK PROGRAM WHERE YOU BUY A HISTORICAL BRICK FOR $25 AND THE BRICK COSTS A NEW BRICK IS 10 BUCKS VERSUS CLEANING THE BRICK FOR $12.
SO THEN WE'RE STILL COMING OUT AHEAD ON A FUNDRAISER TO BUY A BRICK.
IT WOULD BE A HISTORIC STREET BRICK, A HISTORICAL BRICK THAT YOU STORAGE AND AT 25 BUCKS A BRICK, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I'D PROBABLY BUY EIGHT BRICKS, YOU KNOW, I'D BUY MORE THAN ONE.
SO ARE WE SET UP TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN A CITY? I'M NOT SURE.
PARK AND RECREATION CURRENTLY HAS A, A BIG BRICK TABLE PROGRAM AND I'M THINKING THAT THOSE BRICKS STARTED AT $50.
BUT IT'S, IT'S GOTTEN A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE LASER ENGRAVING.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUYING, THE BRICKS THAT WE HAVE ARE, ARE BRICKS THAT ARE SITTING OUT IN WAREHOUSE.
IF WE SELL THOSE, IT JUST NEED TO BE CLEAN.
YOU HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT COULD ENGRAVE SO THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE NO, NOT TO REUSE FOR SOMEBODY JUST TO BUY THE BRICK AND TAKE IT.
LIKE THE BROAD STREET PROGRAM.
SO THEY DID WHEN, WHEN THEY WERE TAKING A BROAD STREET, THEY GOT SOME OF THOSE BRICKS.
AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE, I THINK IT HAD AN ENGRAVING ON IT, DIDN'T IT? MICKEY THEY HAD THE MANUFACTURING ENGRAVING BUT THEY ALSO SOLD IT WITH LITTLE PLAQUE.
RAISED MONEY I THINK FOR THE HISTORICAL DESIGN PRESERVATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE SET UP TO DO SOMETHING, BUT IF THEY'RE JUST GONNA SIT IN THE WAREHOUSE, WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO.
THE THERMO, UH, BRICK VERSUS THE REAL BRICK.
SO 50,000 FOR THE THERMO 108 FOR REAL BRICK.
THE THERMO WOULD LAST 10 YEARS.
UH, FOR THE MOST PART THE LIFE FROM THE PAVEMENT.
SO WHICH IS, UM, 10, 15 YEARS.
10 OR 15 YEARS WHERE THE REAL BRICK WILL LIT, WILL, UH, WILL HAVE A LIFE OF 40 TO 50 YEARS.
SO THEN MAYBE THE COST IS ABOUT THE SAME BECAUSE WE HAVE A LIFE EXPECTANCY OF REAL BRICK.
SO IT MIGHT BE CHEAPER TO REALLY CONSIDER A REAL BRICK IN THE LONG RUN.
ANOTHER, UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS REGARDING SPLITTING THE PROJECTS UP.
YOU KNOW, YOU, IT'S GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE WHEN YOU SPLIT IT UP, BUT IT MIGHT BE MORE AFFORDABLE LONG TERM.
UM, JUST MOBILIZING A CONTRACTOR IN THERE, THE DISRUPTIONS AND TRAFFIC, THAT'S EVERYTHING TO THINK ABOUT THESE BRICK CROSS ROCKS, WE'LL HAVE TO CLOSE THOSE INTERSECTIONS.
SO WHEN WE WENT IN, WE GET THAT FAR INTO THAT DESIGN OF THAT PROJECT, THERE WOULD BE PROBABLY A LOT OF COORDINATION, UM, TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE STAGED OUT CLOSING THOSE INTERSECTIONS.
UM, THE THERMO CAN BE DONE AT NIGHT, SO THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE EASIER ANIMAL TO TACKLE.
UM, IF THAT WAS THE THANK YOU.
SO LET'S, LET'S SAY YOU
I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE TIMEFRAME OF THERMO VERSUS THE, YOU SAID 30 YEARS, YOU PROBABLY 10 TO 15 YEARS, YOU KNOW, REALLY AS LONG AS THAT PAVEMENT IS IS STABLE IN THERE, THAT THAT THERMO WILL STAY ON THERE.
UM, YOU, YOU'LL GET SOMEWHERE, UM, YOU MIGHT GET SOME DIS YOU KNOW, SOME BAITING, UH, DISCOLORATION.
UM, AND ESSENTIALLY THE BRICK IS, IS GONNA STAY THERE.
UH, FOR AS LONG AS THAT STREET'S STABLE.
HAVE YOU HAVE A UTILITY ISSUE, YOU KNOW, THAT
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THAT TRUMPS EVERYTHING.YOU'RE GONNA BE GETTING THAT UP.
BUT UM, AS FAR AS JUST GENERAL ROAD, UM, LONGEVITY OF A ROAD, THAT BRIDGE IS GONNA LAST MUCH LONGER.
GUESS WHAT MY SUGGESTION MIGHT BE IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT NEEDS SOME MORE RESEARCH DISCUSSION.
MAYBE KICK THIS TO SAY, YES, WE'RE, WE'RE INTERESTED, WE'D LIKE TO GO, BUT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN FINANCE THIS.
IF THERE'S ANY GRANTS, OTHER THINGS THAT WE MIGHT DO WITH THE COST AND PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER TO COME BACK TO OUR OCTOBER MEETING AND NOT NECESSARILY SAY OKAY, WE RECOMMEND I SEND IT TO THE
WE JUST NEED TO SEE CAN WE FINANCE THIS? I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS WHEN? 700 AND IF WE WENT WITH THE BREAD 7 44.
SO, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING FINANCING? IT WOULD PROBABLY BE CHEAPER IN OCTOBER THAN WHAT WE DID.
SO IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN NARROW IT DOWN, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THIS, YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE BRICK, LET US KNOW.
WE, WE'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS THAT EVERYONE'S MADE SO STAFF CAN GO BACK AND GET THAT INFORMATION AND COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING.
OKAY, SO LET'S, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE IN FAVOR BY SHOW OF HANDS? FAVOR OF BRICK? OKAY.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH THE BRICK AND SO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE PRICING ON THAT.
BUT ALSO COULD YOU BRING BACK TO THE MEETING TOO ABOUT COULD WE SELL THOSE BRICKS? I LOVE THAT IDEA.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT AND GET EVERYBODY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT THAT WE WOULD BE DOING IN THE MSD.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ROUNDABOUT.
DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION LATER OR DO WE WANT TO FOLLOW THAT UP? I, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER WE SEE WHAT THE COUNTY'S GONNA DO AND WE FINISH OUR PEER PROJECT DOWN THERE.
AND I DON'T MEAN CROSSWALKS, I MEAN THE DAMAGE ISSUE.
AND I HAVE A DO THAT ALL EVERYONE.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ROUND.
UM, I I WONDER WHETHER THAT REALLY SHOULD BE AN MSD EXPENSE AS OPPOSED TO A CITY EXPENSE.
'CAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THE INFRAS STRUCTURE FOR TRAFFIC CIRCULATION AND PART OF THAT IS ALSO IS THAT A, A STATE ROAD? NO, IT'S NOT STATE ROAD THAT NOT ANYMORE AFTER THE DRAW BRIDGE.
THAT WAS PART DEAL ANYHOW, THAT I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER, WHETHER NSD SHOULD BE NO MORE THOUGHTS ON THAT.
I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE THAT IF WE PUT A PIECE OF ART IN THE MIDDLE OF IT OR DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I COULD, I COULD SEE MSD FOR, AND I AGREE WITH YOU.
I ALSO, AND NOT TO BELABOR THE ISSUE, BUT UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN RAISED IN OTHER MEETINGS, BUT THE WHOLE ISSUE OF, OF SEMIS IN 18 WHEELERS GOING AROUND THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, HAS THAT EVER BEEN DISCUSSED IS TO NOT ALLOW THOSE TO GO AROUND THE JACK.
THEY JUST HAVE TO MAKE CORNERS.
I'M GONNA LET GEORGE RESPOND TO THAT.
WE HAVE HAD A LOT THAT, AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE WORKING WITH, WORKING WITH DOT IS IN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW SIGNAGE ON THE NEW INTERSTATE, WHICH WOULD DIRECT TRUCK TRAFFIC.
SO WHEN THE SOFTWARE THAT TRUCKERS USED FROM GETTING INTO TOWN WOULD DIRECT THEM TO THE FIRST THREE OFF RAMP RATHER THAN SENDING DOWNTOWN A LOT OF, NOW THE CAVEAT OF THAT IS YOU HAVE DESTINATION TRUCKS AND THEY'RE NOT RESTRICTED FROM GOING ON A STREET IF THEIR DESTINATION IS SOMEWHERE ON THAT STREET OR IN VICINITY.
SO WE'LL STILL HAVE TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING DOWN THERE.
BUT LESS THAN, YEAH, LESS THAN WE HAVE NOW.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES I SEE MOVING TRUCKS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER SERVED COMING DOWN FRONT.
EVEN IF THEY'RE GOING INTO THE HISTORIC SIDE, THE HOME SIDE, RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF BRA, UM, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER SERVED COMING FROM ANOTHER DIRECTION.
THEY JUST, THEIR, THEIR TRAFFIC SOFTWARE DOESN'T ALWAYS SEND THEM THAT DIRECTION.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.
BUT I WOULD SAY WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF DAMAGE TO THE BRICK WITH THE ASSOCIATED CONSTRUCTION TO COUNTY COURTHOUSE AND A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS DOWNTOWN AND OUR CITY HALL ANNEX WHERE THINGS ARE BEING DELIVERED.
SO THE GROWING PERIOD, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT CONSTRUCTION WILL CONTINUE LIKE SOME OTHER LOCATIONS, WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE SOME TYPE BUT HOPEFUL WE, WE GET THE 70 PROJECT DONE IN DOT IMPLEMENT SOME SIGNAGE CHANGES ON THIS.
I'M GUESSING THAT IT IS NOT FEASIBLE TO REDESIGN THAT CIRCLE IN CONJUNCTION WITH EXTENDING BROAD STREET, ET CETERA.
IF WE CAN ACQUIRE SOME ADJACENT PROPERTY LIVE DRIVE AWAY.
IT DOESN'T LIKE EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM BUT SOME IT DOES TELL, I MEAN I'M THINKING THAT WITH THE TOWNHOUSES THERE, YOU CAN'T REALLY, WE COULDN'T COME THAT DIRECTION.
BUT COUNTY, CITY, A LOT OF THAT.
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JOHN YOU WANNA GO TO THE COUNTY AND RAISE THAT DISCUSSION? NOT PARTICULARLYYOU COULD JUST FOSTER, LET'S CALL EMINENT DOMAIN.
SO FOSTER, DO YOU HAVE DIRECTION I WOULD BELIEVE FROM THIS GROUP AND WE'LL COME BACK IN OCTOBER.
WE'RE REALLY MAKING PROGRESS TODAY.
I WANNA MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT ON THERE.
YOU KNOW, AT FIRST WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT, THE PICTURE OF THE CONCRETE CIRCLE, I THOUGHT, MAN, THAT'S JUST NOT OKAY.
BUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS ZERO PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK ONTO THAT ISLAND, I MEAN THE ONLY TIME PEDESTRIANS WOULD BE THERE WOULD BE, I DON'T, WE STILL DOING THE CHRISTMAS, CHRISTMAS TREE.
THERE IS A CHRISTMAS TREE THERE, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE AWAY BECAUSE IT WAS TOO DANGEROUS.
BUT I THINK I MAY BE ABLE TO GET OVER THE STAINED CONCRETE KNOWING THAT IT'S REMOVED OR THAT MAYBE BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK MSD IF WE'D BE WILLING TO PAY THE UPCHARGE FOR CONCRETE TWO STREET BRICKS, THE DIFFERENTIAL.
BUT ANYHOW, THAT'S NOT TODAY'S TOPIC.
AND ONE PEOPLE WALK ON IT DURING ONE FEST.
THAT'S SAFETY THING AND NOT GETTING PEOPLE OUT THERE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS.
UM, NEXT ON OUR AGENDA, THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT DISCUSSION.
IS THE, JUST THE REVIEW OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS FOR THE INTERCOURSE.
SO AT OUR WORK SESSION, UM, WE HAD COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T HERE.
UM, WE WENT AHEAD AND, UM, ASSIGNED THREE AD HOC COMMITTEES, UM, AND ASSIGNED PEOPLE TO THOSE COMMITTEES.
AND THE FIRST ONE WAS THE TRASH COMMITTEE.
AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE ASSIGNMENT, UH, THE ASSIGNMENT, THE UH, LOCATION OF THE TRASH, THE COMPACTORS.
AND WE HAD SEVERAL, SEVERAL TASKS ON THAT.
AND THAT, UH, AD HOC COMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF DAVE, MICHAEL, AND VON AND THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED WORKING.
UM, ALSO TOO, I'M GONNA ASK UM, DAVE VERY QUICKLY, OR VAUGHN, HE DID A GREAT JOB WITH THE OPINION, BUT THEY DID, UM, ALDERMAN RILL BROUGHT UP AT OUR WORK SESSION, UH, A NEW CONCEPT OF SOMEONE THAT HE HAD MET, UM, WHERE IT WOULD I GUESS DEGRADE THE FOOD OR DEHYDRATE, DEHYDRATE THE FOOD.
AND SO THEY ACTUALLY HAD A ZOOM CALL.
SO I'M GONNA LET Y'ALL JUST UPDATE THIS GROUP ON THAT SINCE ALDERMAN PEARL ASKED US TO LOOK AT THAT VERY QUICKLY.
UM, SO IT'S A NEW DEHYDRATION UH, SYSTEM THAT BASICALLY TAKES ALL THE FOOD WASTE INTO A MACHINE.
'CAUSE I THINK FOUR BY FIVE SOMETHING LIKE A PARKING SPACE, THEY'RE MEANT TO BE INDOORS.
THE THAT ONE ONLY GOES MAYBE A HUNDRED, 150 POUNDS OF FOOD WASTE.
I WAS TOLD BY THE, UH, I GUESS YOU'D CALL 'EM THE SALES PERSON, THAT THE AVERAGE RESTAURANT PRODUCES ABOUT 250 TO 350 POUNDS PER DAY OF FOOD WASTE.
NOW THESE MACHINES RUN TWO CYCLES, BUT THEY'RE 10 HOUR CYCLES, EIGHT HOURS FOR THE INAUGURATION, TWO HOURS FOR A COOLING BEFORE IT CAN BE REMOVED.
THE BYPRODUCT OF FILTERED STERILE WATER OR AIR BASICALLY.
BUT WITH, UH, WITH DOWNTOWN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE BEST SOLUTION FOR US BECAUSE WE'RE SO DISJOINTED AND TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY COORDINATED ON A 10 HOUR SCHEDULE TO RUN THESE THINGS WHEN YOU'D NEED A MUCH BIGGER UNIT TO FACILITATE SHARING UNITS.
AND WITH THE SPACE RESTRICTION WE HAVE IN DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE INDOOR SPACE FOR THAT TYPE OF MACHINE IN MY OPINION.
THAT'S KIND OF HOW I FELT ABOUT IT.
UH, A PLANT SIZE OUTSIDE OF THE MSD THAT GOES OUT OF OUR PURVIEW, YOU KNOW, COULD FACILITATE THEN THAT BRINGS IN THIRD PART, THIRD PARTY HAULERS AND MORE TAXPAYER MONEY.
AND
JUST WANTED TO UPDATE EVERYBODY SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT, AT THE LAST MEETING.
BUT YOU ALL WILL BE MEETING AND UM, YOU'LL COME BACK TO US IN OCTOBER AND WE'LL TRY TO SEE WHAT YOU CAN COME FORWARD WITH.
THE NEXT COMMITTEE THAT WE HAVE IS THE UNIFICATION AD HOC COMMITTEE AND THAT IS MICHAEL LEE AND CAROL AND UM, GRETCHEN AND I BELIEVE YOU HAD A A, A MEETING ALREADY, A LITTLE GATHERING.
AND NOW YOU GETTING SOME HIGHLIGHTS TOGETHER? I KNOW THERE'S STILL A LOT MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE HAVE A LIST OF THINGS WE DISCUSSED.
OR GRETCHEN DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANNA MENTION ANYTHING? DO YOU WANT US TO WAIT AND HOLD UP TILL OCTOBER? YEAH, I THINK JUST, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU NEED REALLY QUICKLY, THIS IS JUST A REVIEW AND DISCUSSION IF ANYBODY YOU KNOW, REALLY NEEDS ANY MORE ADDITIONAL HELP OR ANYTHING.
'CAUSE YOU REALLY NEED TO HAVE SEVERAL MEETINGS TO FLESH THINGS OUT.
AND WHAT I THINK WILL, IT'LL LOOK
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LIKE PROBABLY A WORK SESSION WHERE WE'LL COME BACK AND BASICALLY HAVE SOME FLIP CHARTS AND WE'LL START, YOU KNOW, SAYING WHAT WE DO AND THEN DESIGN IT.THIS FAIR PLAZA, RIGHT? ALL OF FAIR PLAZA, WHICH NOW WE PARK ON MOST OF IT, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT THE, THE BUY A BRICK THING.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
YOU'RE NOT OTHER THAN IF WE DO WHERE IT WOULD BE DRIVING OVER, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT POINT.
I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE HISTORIC BRICKS BECAUSE EVERYBODY WOULD, COULD ENJOY THAT.
AND THEN THE THIRD AD HOC COMMITTEE WE HAVE IS THE PARKING, WHICH WOULD LOOK AT THE INGRESS AND EGRESS AND UM, THE LOADED ZONES OR WHATEVER.
AND THAT WOULD BE JOHNNY, JOHN, AND NICK.
SO DO Y'ALL NEED ANYTHING FROM US OR ARE YOU GOOD TO GO ON THAT? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING SOON? WE'LL BE HAVING A MEETING AFTER THIS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR AD HOC COMMITTEES OR ANYTHING WE'RE DOING NEXT? JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE 'CAUSE WE HAD SOME PEOPLE MISSING THE LAST TIME THAT WE'RE ALL UP TO SPEED.
THE NEXT, UH, PORTION OF OUR MEETING IS THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO WE HAD SET UP A PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION FOR ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO DO THAT.
UM, THIS, UH, BOARD DECIDED THAT WE WOULD GIVE THREE MINUTES TO EACH PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO STATE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN THEY MADE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, DOES ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WOULD THEY LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS? HEY BILL, IF YOU'LL JUST COME RIGHT HERE AND THAT WE DO, UH, BILL CHO, UH, I OWN PROPERTY AT TWO 17.
UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, FOSTER ON NUMBER FOUR, YOU DID NOT MENTION HANCOCK STREET IN THE TRUE, UH, TREE PRUNING AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THAT WAS AN OVERSIGHT.
I DIDN'T HEAR IT CORRECTLY OR IF THAT WAS AN OVERSIGHT.
IF THERE ARE ANY TREES THAT NEED TO BE PRUNED ON HANCOCK, THEY WILL CERTAINLY ADDRESS THAT.
AT LEAST ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE M MSS D AND IT IS IN THE MSD.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE SPIRIT OF THE M MSS D, WHICH ALSO COULD BE MY SPECIAL DESIRE, I WOULD ALSO ASK THEM TO DO THAT.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? YES, I AM RICHARD HALL.
I LIVE AT TWO 10 HANCOCK STREET.
HAVE A BUSINESS OF 2 0 8 HANCOCK STREET AND A COUPLE OF OTHER BUILDINGS STILL IN THERE.
UM, I WONDERED IF THERE HAS, I'LL ASK THE SAME QUESTION I ASKED TWO MONTHS AGO.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PARKING LOT OR FOR THE AREA AT THE CORNER OF HANCOCK AND SOUTH FRONT? UH, WE WERE WAITING FOR THAT FANCY COMMITTEE TO COME WITH SOMETHING.
AND HAVE THEY COME UP WITH SOMETHING OR HAVE THERE BEEN FUTURE DISCRETIONS ON HOW THAT AREA IS GOING TO BE USED? SO THE ONE THING I WANNA SAY IS WHEN YOU DO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, HOW, HOW DO YOU WANT RESPONSES? DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL YOU RECEIVE COMMENT OR, YEAH.
I DON'T THINK WE EVER DECIDED.
WE JUST SAID THAT I, I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH MY, THROUGH MY NOTES HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD JUST ALLOW THREE MINUTES, NAME, ADDRESS, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SAID WE WOULD RESPOND OR NOT RESPOND
'CAUSE I CAN RESPOND TO THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.
BUT, BUT, BUT YOU'RE GETTING READY TO SET A PRESS AND THEN IF, IF CORRECT, THE STAFF STARTS RESPONDING TO EVERY SINGLE THING.
THAT'S WHY I WANNA WANT SEE HOW YOU, IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THIS, THIS COMMITTEE, HOW YOU FEEL.
DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT STAFF TO RESPOND WHEN THEY SPEAK? FORGIVE US AS WE GO THROUGH THIS FIRST PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.
UM, DO YOU WANNA ALLOW RESPONSE TO THE BOARD OF ALL DOES NOT HAVE A RESPONSE.
THEY ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK AND SAY WHAT THEY WANT AND THEN STAFF CAN ALWAYS FOLLOW UP AFTER THEY HAVE THAT.
I DUNNO, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE A SMALL COMMITTEE AND IF THE, IF THE PUBLIC IS COMING, THEY SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A VOICE, A LITTLE BIT STRONGER OF AN OPINION BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THE FORM FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO.
AND IF THE ANSWER IS READILY AVAILABLE AND THIS IS JUST A DIALOGUE, BE CONSISTENT ON THIS.
SO, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE RECEIVED, WE RECEIVED THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE IEDC ON FRIDAY EVENING.
SO I'M ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH, THEY, THEY SENT THREE BOOKLETS THAT ARE ABOUT 50 PAGES EACH WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
ONCE I GO THROUGH THAT, I'LL GET THEM MY FILE COMMENTS, THEN WE'LL SEND THAT OUT TO THE GOVERNING BOARD, TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE'LL ALSO MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC A TIME SCHEDULE APPROXIMATELY, APPROXIMATELY A WEEK OR TWO.
'CAUSE I HAVE IT, I'M JUST REVIEWING IT MYSELF RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN HOW WILL THAT INFORMATION BE PUT OUT BY EMAILS OR? YES.
UH, WE COULD SEND IT OUT TO EVERYONE IN THE MSD.
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ALSO BE ON OUR WEBSITE AND, AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE GOVERNING BOARD ALSO.AND I, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU A COPY.
ARE 14, UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS TODAY.
ONE, UM, WITH THE AD HOC COMMITTEES, UM, MOST INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT THE ONES THAT ARE DOING THE TRASH.
UM, ARE YOU TALKING LIKE HOW, WHO'S INVOLVED IN LIKE, KNOWING EXACTLY WHO NEEDS TRASH? LIKE I KNOW THAT THE RESTAURANTS ARE AWARE OF EACH OTHER, BUT LIKE WE'RE ON THE OTHER END.
WE HAVE SOME OF OUR OWN TRASH THAT WILL STAY.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE, ME PERSONALLY, I'M INTERESTED IN HOW IT'S GONNA BE BEFORE THE CARDBOARD DUMPSTER AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY'S TALKING TO US OR, SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO HOW YOU'RE TALKING TO EVERYBODY THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT.
WELL, UM, FIRST OFF THE, THE LAST, THE, THE WORK SESSION WHERE THIS WAS ESTABLISHED, UM, KAREN GAVE ME A LIST OF KAREN FROM SWISS BAY.
SWISS BAY GAVE ME A LIST OF WHAT SWISS BAY HAS FOR THAT.
UM, AND, AND INCLUDING THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND, AND HOW THINGS ARE ALLOCATED.
SO WHAT I RECENTLY DID WAS DOWNLOAD THE RECENT TAX RECORDS AND I'M RECONCILING IT WITH HER LIST.
AND THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING UP.
'CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO THEN ONCE WE HAVE THAT ESTABLISHED REACH OUT TO YOU FOLKS JUST TO, TO, TO VALIDATE YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF TRASH SERVICE YOU ARE CURRENTLY RECEIVING AND MAYBE WHAT YOU NEED.
SO YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, AND WE'RE KIND OF AN INTERESTED IN SITUATION BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE NEEDS, WE HAVE PERSONAL AND THEN WE HAVE OUTSIDE NEEDS AND, AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO JUST GO DOWN THE LIST AND CHECK OFF WHO WE AND ANATE WHO WE'VE SPOKEN WITH.
'CAUSE V BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT THAT THERE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THERE WHO ARE NOT REALLY NECESSARILY THE BUSINESS, THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE OPERATING IN THOSE BUILDINGS.
SO, AND IT MAY NOT BE RE UH, THE BUSINESS, THE PROPERTY OWNER MAY NOT BE THE ONE THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING FOR THAT DRAFT SERVICE AND SO FORTH.
SO WE NEED TO RECONCILE THAT ALSO.
THE OTHER THING, UM, CAN I ADD A COMMENT TO THAT JUST BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO A NEW TOPIC? UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THIS COMMITTEE, UM, AT AN EARLY MEETING DECIDED THAT THE VARIOUS PROPERTY OWNERS OF THAT INNER CORE, INCLUDING THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN YOUR BUILDING, UM, SOME OF THEM ARE HAPPY TO PLAY BALL IN, IN A COOPERATIVE EFFORT.
AND SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN RELUCTANT TO PLAY BALL.
AND SO WE MADE THE DECISION THAT WE CAN'T, THIS HAS BEEN ON THE TABLE FOR LIKE A DECADE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
AND I THINK OUR DECISION WAS WE CAN ONLY CONTROL WHAT WE CAN CONTROL AND THAT IS THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
AND SO WHAT THEY ARE ADDRESSING IS WHAT CAN BE DONE ON THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND POTENTIALLY WITH SOME ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WHERE THE, UM, CIRCULATION AND STUFF IS INVOLVED.
UM, I THINK WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A BIGGER SOLUTION FOR THE ENTIRE BLOCK, BUT THAT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT.
AND SO WE DECIDED WE'LL KEEP THE ELEPHANT ONE BITE AT A TIME.
THAT MAY SOUND DISCOURAGING TO YOU, BUT YOU KNOW THIS.
WELL THEN I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS LIKE WE ARE SORT OF PART OF THE INTER CORE.
WE HAPPEN TO HAVE A PRIVATE PARKING LOT, UH, THAT, THAT BACKS UP ONTO EASEMENT THAT IS PRIVATE.
ALTHOUGH WE'RE PART OF THAT WHOLE, YOU KNOW, UM, I MEAN I CONSIDER IT LIKE THROUGH, I MEAN WE ARE THIS SIDE OF THE
UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN LIKE IT IS VERY CONFUSING TO ME 'CAUSE I, I AS A BUSINESS OWNER NEED CARDBOARD.
I, I, BECAUSE, AND, AND THERE IS NO PLACE ON OUR PROPERTY TO HAVE ENOUGH OF A CARDBOARD, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING FOR ME TO USE MY CARDBOARD AND POSSIBLY THE OTHER BUSINESS DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY ARE.
UM, DO YOU NEED CARDBOARD ON YOUR END? I THINK THE ISSUE HAS BEEN IS THAT WE COULDN'T GET THE PEOPLE ON YOUR END OF THE, THE AREA RESTAURANTS AND OTHERS THAT WOULD WANNA WALK OR USE THE ONE THAT WAS GOING TO BE ON CITY PROPERTY OR ON THE OTHER END.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS, WE WALKED NOW.
WELL THE ISSUE BY THEN WAS WE COULDN'T FIND, BUT WE, PRIVATE PROPERTY WE WERE NEVER TALKED TO BY
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIST WAS.
THERE WAS LOTS OF EMAILS THAT I SENT.
SO, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO GO OVER THAT.
IT'S JUST THAT OVER THE YEARS IT'S CHANGED WHERE
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I USED TO TAKE A BOX AND PUT ALL MY CARDBOARD IN IT AND IT WOULD GET PICKED UP, BUT THOSE DAYS ARE GONE.SO, AND THAT'S NOT OUR FAULT AND WE JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT WE CAN BE A PART OF THAT.
AND JUST TO, TO CLARIFY SOMETHING, JOHN, UM, I KNOW WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS FOCUSING ON CITY PROPERTY FOR PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.
'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE EXTENT OF WHAT OUR AUTHORITY IS.
UM, BUT IN THE SPIRIT OF TRYING TO COME UP WITH A, THE BEST SOLUTION, I AM LOOKING OUTSIDE OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY AS FAR AS WHO CONTRIBUTES TO THAT TRASH.
SO THAT DOES MEAN REACHING OUT TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESS OWNERS AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE INFORMATION GATHERING.
AND THERE'S TRASH AND THEN THERE'S RECYCLING.
WHICH MIGHT BE THE SAME, BUT IT'S NOT, TO ME TWO DIFFERENT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN OUR DIFFERENT WAY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TRAFFIC CODE, WE DO HAVE OUR SAFETY ISSUE.
SO WE WANT TO BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.
AND WHEN, WHEN THE DUMPSTERS WENT IN, NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRIED, WE COULDN'T GET A RESPONSE BACK.
SO WHAT DID WE DO? UM, THE OTHER IS THAT IT, THE OTHER THING, UM, I'VE NOTICED IS 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CROSSWALKS.
UM, ONE OF MY OBSERVATIONS ON THIS END OF THE MIDDLE STREET IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PAVERS AND EVERYTHING DO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE CROSSWALK ITSELF.
TO ME THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY ON THIS CORNER DOWN HERE IS, AND WE GET A LOT, I'M I'M OUT ON THE STREET.
SOME I SEE IT A LOT JUST WHEN I'M LEAVING WORK IN MY CAR IS WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING INTO THE HOTEL.
A LOT OF PEOPLE PARKING DOWN THERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF THEM ON SATURDAY MORNING COMING FROM THE FARMER'S MARKET CROSSING OVER TO ME THIS AND MAYBE SOME OTHER KEY PLACES IN THE CROSSWALK NEED WALK SIGNS THAT ALL THE CARS HAVE TO STOP AND PEDESTRIANS CAN WALK, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE SIGN THAT HAS THE PICTURE THAT TELLS YOU CAN WALK.
'CAUSE EVEN NOW, UH, IF THE PEDESTRIAN HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY, SOMEBODY CAN ALWAYS TURN, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE ALWAYS LIKE LOOKING BECAUSE YOU CANNOT TRUST IN CARS.
YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RULES ABOUT PEDESTRIAN PROCESS.
AND I KNOW THAT THE LIGHT UP ON BROAD AND, YOU KNOW, MIDDLE IS BEING CHANGED.
LIKE I ALMOST WATCHED SOMEBODY GET RUN DOWN THERE EVEN WHEN THE LIGHT FLASHING.
THEY JUST DON'T PAY ATTENTION.
AND I THINK THOSE ALL THE WAY STOPS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE LIGHTS TO TELL YOU YOU CAN WALK ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK PEOPLE COMING FROM OTHER AREAS ARE VERY USED TO THOSE FAMILIES.
THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE WHERE THEY LIVE.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S NOT CHEAP.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT BESIDES JUST SEEING THE CROSSWALK BECAUSE THE CARS DON'T CARE.
I, I MEAN THEY JUST, THEY JUST DON'T, AND I'M NOT EVEN MY HARD THAT MUCH TO SEE IT AND I SEE IT ALL THE TIME.
YOU MIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE THE FIRST HARDEST ONE.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO JUST ADD SOMETHING, UM, JUST BECAUSE I'M ON TUESDAY, SEVEN AT TWO ON THE 200 BLOCK IN MIDDLE STREET.
AND, UM, AND WE, AND DOWNTOWN'S VERY, VERY VIBRANT.
IT'S VERY VIBRANT AND IT'S GREAT.
AND, BUT WHAT I HAVE NOTICED AN INCREASE IN IS PEOPLE RACING FROM P*****K STREET TO THE CORNER OF SOUTH FRONT STREET, YOU KNOW, MUFFLERS, MOTORCYCLES ROOM.
AND THEY'RE, AND I MEAN LITERALLY RACING AND SLAMMING ON THEIR BRAKES AS THEY GET TO THAT STOP SIGN.
SO, UM, IT'S JUST PEOPLE CRUISING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CRUISING THE BOULEVARD.
MIDDLE OR CR MIDDLE, MIDDLE STREET.
WELL, I, I DO BUSINESS ON MIDDLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ON CRAVEN, BUT I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ON MIDDLE STREET AND I SEE A HUGE INCREASE IN THAT.
THEY'RE LOUD, THEY'RE AWESOME.
YOU KNOW, WE, AND WE AND, AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY LIKE TO DO A LITTLE RACING FROM ONE CORNER TO THE NEXT CORNER.
SO LATE AT ONE OF MY, OKAY, SO, SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BLINKERS, MAYBE THAT IS GOOD.
JUST IF WE CAN REALLY SLOW ON MIDDLE STREET P*****K.
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MIGHT BE JUST LIKE, JUST KEEP IT, IF WE WANT TO TURN IT INTO MORE OF A WALKABLE DISTRICT, MAYBE WE NEED MORE SPEED BUMP.ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY.
UM, OUR NEXT, UH, REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING IS OCTOBER THE 17TH.
SO PLEASE WE CHANGE THAT FROM OUR OTHER DAY AT OUR LAST MEETING.
SO JUST PLEASE NOTE IT'LL BE HERE AT THIS, AT THIS, UH, FACILITY.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? IF NOT, DO WE WANT TO ARRANGE A WORK SESSION? I'M GONNA DISCUSS AD HOC COMMITTEE.
WE NEED TO, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE, UM, CALENDAR.
'CAUSE UH, OCTOBER'S PRETTY BUSY WITH THE FEST AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON.
WE, I WILL GET THAT TO YOU SOON.
WE'RE GONNA, I'M GONNA LOOK AT IT WITH THE I THE CHAMBER.
IT'S NOT HAD A ON DATES IN OCTOBER.
THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO CHANGE THIS ONE.
WE, I'LL GO BACK TO THE YES, WE'LL BE ALRIGHT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? IF NOT, CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? OKAY, JOHNNY.