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YOU READY TO START? YES.[1. OPENING OF MEETING WITH ROLL CALL]
BEING THE APPOINTED HOUR, I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO ORDER, UM, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS.I THINK WE NEED TO DO A, UH, ROLL CALL.
AND, UH, UH, MOLLY? UH, SORRY.
OUR SKIPPING THE, UH, MINUTES TONIGHT.
[3. CONSENT AGENDA]
UH, NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS WILL BE THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA FOR APPROVAL OF WRITTEN DECISIONS FROM THE PRIOR MEETING.UH, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONER'S CARE TO PULL ONE OF THOSE, OR WOULD A COMMISSIONER CARE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE.
WE APPROVE THE WRITTEN DECISION FOR EIGHT 18 BROAD STREET.
GOT A MOTION? SECOND AND A SECOND.
SO THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.
[4.A. HEARINGS: INTRODUCTION, SWEARING-IN, SUMMARY OF PROCESS]
MOVE INTO OUR HEARINGS NOW AND TO, UH, GET US STARTED.THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION, UH, APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERNS BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
IT IS A RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS BEING DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE, UH, USING US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HPC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
DUE TO NEGLECT, THE HPC HOLDS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, WE WILL HEAR SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT PROVIDED BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND PROVIDED BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.
UH, THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION, THAT CANNOT, UH, BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
UH, LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONERS, UH, I ASK YOU TO REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINION, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES OR HEARSAY.
UH, DURING OUR HEARING THIS EVENING, THE COMMISSION'S DECISION ON AN APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE, UH, PRESENTED AT THIS HEARING, UH, THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
UM, AT THIS POINT, MATT, UH, WE NEED TO SWEAR IN MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WILL BE SPEAKING TONIGHT.
SO IF YOU, UH, INTEND TO BE SPEAKING OR MIGHT BE SPEAKING, SPEAKING, COME FORWARD AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
UM, AND IF YOU, SOMETIMES DURING THE PROCEEDINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND HAVEN'T BEEN SWORN IN, JUST LET US KNOW.
WANNA AND KNOW YOU HAVEN'T BEEN SWORN IN YET.
AND JUST BECAUSE THIS MORNING DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO SPEAK.
SO PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
UH, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
ALL, ALL AFFIRMATIVE THEN PLEASE, I BELIEVE YOU NEED TO SIGN IN, PRINT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND I HAVE TWO SHEETS OF PAPER BACK, THE ADDRESS YOU'RE SPEAKING ON.
NO, UH, YOUR MUST BE A SLOW NIGHT IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
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JUST HELP ME TRY TO KEEP TRACK IN CASE SOMEONE WHO IS NOT SWORN IN.USUALLY SOMEBODY ON THE BENCH CATCHES IT.
AND SO, AS WE HAVE OUR LAST TWO POTENTIAL PRESENTERS SIGNING IN, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SUMMARIZE THE HEARING PROCESS THAT WE'LL USE TONIGHT.
UM, UH, THE HBC ADMINISTRATOR WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT OR, UH, THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, UH, WILL PRESENT THE APPLICATION.
WE'LL HAVE A OPPORTUNITY FOR PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS, UH, WHO RECEIVE WRITTEN NOTICE, UH, TO PARTICIPATE.
UH, THEN WE'LL HAVE A REBUTTAL PERIOD.
UH, THEN WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHERS WHO CAN, UH, UH, PRODUCE INFORMATION THAT IS DIRECTLY TIED TO THE GUIDELINES TO PARTICIPATE.
UH, ULTIMATELY, ONCE WE'VE HAD A CHANCE FOR EVERYBODY TO SPEAK AND ALL QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED, UM, WE'LL ASK FOR A, UH, RECOMMENDATION, UH, FROM STAFF.
AND THEN, UH, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS A FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, MAKE ANY, UH, ANY FINAL COMMENTS.
UM, ULTIMATELY, UH, FOLLOWING A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD BY THE COMMISSION, UH, WE'LL CALL FOR A VOTE, WE'LL HAVE SOME KIND OF OUTCOME AND, UM, A COA CAN BE EITHER APPROVED, APPROVED WITH, UH, CONDITIONS, OR IT COULD BE DENIED.
UM, SO WITH, UH, THAT IN MIND, I, I THINK WE'RE READY TO ROLL TO OUR ITEM A.
[4.B. 403 E. FRONT ST. (Sudan Shriners’ Temple) – the applicant has requested to continue this item to the September 18, 2024 Regular Meeting. They have said they need more time to prepare their revisions to the application and would like to discuss them with the HPC at the September 4, 2024 Design Review Meeting.]
WE'RE ACTUALLY B UNDER HEARINGS, UH, FOR 4 0 3 EAST FRONT STREET.AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING.
SO, COULD WE HAVE A MOTION TO DEAL WITH THAT? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THE HEARING, UH, FOR, UH, 4 0 3 EAST FRONT STREET TO, UH, THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING AT FIVE 30 AT THIS LOCATION ON SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2024.
WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND, AND I, I THINK THE, UH, PURPOSE OF THE CONTINUANCE IS SO THE APPLICANT CAN GATHER MORE INFORMATION RIGHT.
HAVE WE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES? COUNSELOR? YES, SIR.
SO LONG AS MR. THOMPSON'S MOTION WAS MADE FOR THE BASIS OF ALLOWING THE APPLICANT AND OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? CORRECT.
AND, UH, WHO WAS OUR SECOND JIM? JIM, IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? YES.
WE HAVE A, UH, A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD.
[4.C. 104 JOHNSON ST. – to include the demolition of the 1-story non-contributing house and garage and redevelopment with a 1-story infill house. ]
OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, 1 0 4 JOHNSON STREET.I WILL START WITH PRESENTATION OF THE APPLICATION.
UH, AND TO NOTE ON THIS IS THAT, UM, ALL DEMOLITIONS GO THROUGH A TWO PHASE, UH, VOTING PROCESS OR CONSIDERATION PROCESS WITH A VOTE AT THE END OF EACH CONSIDERATION.
THE FIRST CONSIDERATION WILL BE FOR THE DEMOLITION, AND THE SECOND WILL BE FOR THE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT OR THE NEW, THE NEW, UH, BUILD ON THE SITE.
SO, UH, FIRST, SORRY, I, UH, SKIPPED, UH, THE VERY TOP OF THE APPLICATION, UM, SHOWS THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT AND, UH, THE, UH, PROJECT DESCRIPTION AND VERY, UM, UH, BASIC TERMS. UH, AND THEN ALSO REFERENCING SEVERAL OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINE SECTIONS AND A, UH, A DETAILED DESCRIPTION IN THIS LITTLE SPACE.
THEY SAY, THOUGH, TO ALSO REFERENCE THE ATTACHED MATERIAL LIST, WHICH IS A THREE PAGE, UH, DESCRIPTION.
AND THEN, UH, THEY'VE CHECKED ALL THE RELEVANT, UH, CHECK BOXES AND, UH, HAS BEEN SIGNED BY THE OWNER'S AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE AND DATED.
AND THIS IS THEIR AUTHORIZATION FORM, UH, FOR SHEPHERD RESPONSE, UM, TO APPEAR FOR MR. FRENCH.
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SO JUST TO GIVE, UH, UH, AN ORIENTATION NOW FOR THE AUDIENCE AS WELL AS, UH, THE, ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT AT THE, UH, DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.UH, WE HAVE, UH, SOME AERIALS SHOWING THE, UH, CONTEXT, UH, FROM AN AERIAL POINT OF VIEW IN TERMS OF THE, UM, THE, UH, THE DIRECT, THE PROXIMITY OF BUILDINGS AND OTHER OPEN SPACES AROUND THE PROPERTY.
AND THE PROPERTY IS INDICATED THERE IN THE BLUE BOX, THERE IS A ZOOM IN TO GET MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL INFO IF WE NEED, UH, WITH REGARD TO SOME DETAILS ABOUT THE IMMEDIATE, UH, ADJACENCY ALONG THE PROPERTY LINES.
UH, WE ALSO PROVIDED STAFF PROVIDED, UH, SOME, UM, STREET VIEW, UM, PHOTOGRAPHS FOR REFERENCE.
SO THIS IS THE TOP PHOTO IS THE SUBJECT HOUSE, UH, IN THE BACKGROUND BEHIND THE SHRUBS AND TREES.
UM, AND THEN TO THE, UH, SOUTH OF THAT PROPERTY IS THE NEXT, UM, ACROSS THE STREET ON JOHNSON STREET IS THE, UH, HOUSE ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION.
UH, YOU CAN SEE IT IS A, UM, A BRICK HOUSE WITH AT LEAST TWO AND A HALF STORIES, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH.
SO WELL IS, UM, IT IS ALSO, UM, ELEVATED QUITE A BIT OFF OF, UH, OFF OF THE SURROUNDING GRADE.
UH, AND THE THIRD PHOTOGRAPH NOW IS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
UM, ALSO A BRICK HOUSE WITH, UH, TWO, UM, POSSIBLY THREE STORIES, UH, DEPENDING HOW YOU COUNT THEM, UH, ALSO ON AN ELEVATED, UH, FOUNDATION.
AND THEN THE FOURTH CORNER IS THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S, UH, TWO AND A HALF STORIES, UH, WITH A WRAPAROUND PORCH, UH, THIS CASE, UH, WITH WOOD SIDING.
UM, AND SO SOME MORE OF THE CONTEXT RELEVANT TO THE, UH, PROJECT IS TO GO DOWN EAST FRONT STREET, UH, AND WE'LL SEE, UH, JUST WITH THIS, THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW IMAGES, UH, THAT, UH, AS YOU GO DOWN THE STREET, YOU CAN SEE LEFT AND RIGHT, SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ALONG THE WAY, SOME OF THE HOUSES.
SO IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO THE PROPERTY IS THE, UM, BUILDING TO THE RIGHT OF THAT TRUCK.
UH, AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT, UM, IS THE NEXT HOUSE PAST THE ONE WITH THE WRAPAROUND PORCH.
AND AS WE GO DOWN, WE SEE MORE HOUSES ON THE, ON THE LEFT, UH, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT TWO STORIES WITH THE PORCH ON THE FRONT ON THE RIGHT, TWO, TWO AND A HALF STORIES, UH, WITH A PORCH ON THE FRONT THERE.
THEN, UH, THE NEXT ONES ARE, UM, ON THE LEFT.
CAN BARELY SEE HALF OF THAT HOUSE, BUT IT'S A TWO STORY WITH A PORCH ON THE FRONT.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT IS AN ITALIANATE STYLE, UH, TWO STORY STRUCTURE HOUSE.
UH, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE'S DOWN THE DOWN, UM, EAST FRONT STREET AGAIN ON THE LEFT.
UH, FIRST ON THE VERY FAR LEFT IS A TWO AND A HALF STORY WITH PORCH.
AND THE NEXT ONE IS ALSO A TWO AND A HALF STORY WITH A PORCH.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT IS A TWO, AND I CAN'T TELL IF IT'S ON A HALF OR NOT, BUT WITH A PORCH.
AND THEN LASTLY, AS YOU GET DOWN TO THE KING STREET, YOU TURN AROUND AND YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER TWO, UH, SO ON THE EAST SIDE IS ON THE LEFT, AND ON THE WEST SIDE IS ON THE RIGHT.
SO THE EAST SIDE ON THE LEFT IS TWO AND A HALF STORIES, AGAIN, A PORCH ON THE FRONT AND ON THE RIGHT IS A TWO AND A HALF STORY, ALSO WITH A, IN THIS CASE A WRAPAROUND PORCH.
AND HEADING BACK ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE, UH, JOHNSON STREET INTERSECTION.
AND THEN GOING PAST THE TWO HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE CORNER HEADING SOUTH ON EAST FRONT STREET, UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER, UH, TWO AND A HALF STORY BRICK, UH, HOME ON THE LEFT.
AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE TWO STORY ALSO WITH PORCH, IN THIS CASE SETBACK FROM THE STREET HOUSE, ALMOST A SENTENCE.
UH, AND THEN, UH, WE WENT AND REVISITED THE SAME SERIES OF, UH, BUILDINGS AT THIS TIME WITH A FRONTAL VIEW INSTEAD OF THAT ANGLE VIEW.
SO HERE WE SEE, UM, ON THE RIGHT IS THE HOUSE IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND THEN THE SECOND HOUSE, UH, ADJACENT ALONG, UH, TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE NEXT TWO, THESE ARE NOW ALL ON THE, THE EAST SIDE OF EAST, UH, EAST FRONT STREET.
SO THERE'S, THAT'S THE ITALIANATE ONE ON THE LEFT.
AND THEN THIS NEXT SET OF PHOTOS IS
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THE ONE AT THE CORNER OF KING STREET, AND THEN TWO TO THE RIGHT OF THAT, UM, IN FRONTAL VIEWS HERE.WHEREAS IF YOU GO BACK UP TO THE, UM, OTHER BACK TOWARDS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND, AND GO TO THE WEST SIDE OF EAST FRONT STREET, THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT IN THIS IMAGE IS THE ONE NEXT TO THE ONE ON THE CORNER WITH THE WRAPAROUND PORCH.
AND THEN NOW YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THESE A LITTLE BIT BETTER, UH, IN A MORE FRONTAL VIEW AS WE CONTINUE DOWN THE STREET ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE ALL TWO STORIES.
AGAIN, THE PORCHES, UM, AND SOMETIMES TWO AND A HALF STORIES UNTIL YOU GET DOWN TO KING STREET, FINALLY SEE THAT ONE FROM THE FRONT IN A DECENT HALFWAY DECENT PICTURE.
UH, AND SO THAT PRETTY MUCH WAS ALL OF THE PHOTO CONTEXT FROM THE STAFF.
UH, THE APPLICANTS ALSO PROVIDED SOME PHOTOS.
UM, HERE ARE THE CORNER HOMES.
UM, I'M GOING TO MAKE THESE BIGGER BECAUSE, UH, THE PHOTOS ARE SO MUCH SMALLER, BUT, UH, OOPS, THERE WE GO.
SO THAT'S THE ONE AT THE NORTH, UH, NORTHWEST CORNER NORTHWEST, YES.
UM, WE'LL MOVE DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE.
SO THEY, IN THIS, IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE GOING COUNT COUNTERCLOCKWISE DIRECTION, MUCH BETTER PHOTOGRAPH THAN THE ONE THAT WE PROVIDED.
AND AGAIN, A MUCH BETTER PHOTOGRAPH THAN OURS.
UM, THE ONE ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER HERE, YOU CAN SEE HOW HIGH THAT FOUNDATION IS.
UH, AND IT IS, UH, TWO AND A HALF STORIES THERE.
AND THEN SOME FROM EAST FRONT STREET.
THEY ALSO PROVIDED SIMILAR IMAGES FOR THESE.
SO WE HAVE, UM, I THINK THIS IS THE ONE NEXT TO THE WRAPAROUND PORCH TO THE NORTH OF THE WRAPAROUND PORCH.
SO WE SEE A LOT OF PICTURES OF TWO AND A HALF STORY HOMES WITH PORCHES.
TWO STORIES THERE, MAYBE TWO AND A HALF DEPENDING ON THE G WHAT'S ON THE GABLE END? TWO AND A HALF AND TWO AND A HALF, TWO AND A HALF THERE, AND TWO STORIES.
UM, THAT ONE'S ALSO BEEN ELEVATED, UH, SEVERAL, ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO, SIX, EIGHT YEARS AGO I THINK.
SO GIVES YOU AN IDEA AS TO THE EFFECTS OF ELEVATION.
NOW GOING ON THE, UH, EASTERN SIDE, FARTHER UP.
I THINK WE'RE GOING BACK TOWARDS THE PROPERTY AND HERE YEP.
AND, AND NOT A SINGLE ONE IS THE SAME AS THE OTHER, RIGHT? QUITE A VARIETY.
THAT ONE IS THE ONE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.
ALRIGHT, SO, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, THEY ALSO SHOW PHOTOS OF, UH, ONE BEHIND THE PROPERTY ON EDGERTON AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER ONES ALONG EDGERTON, WELL THAT'S NOT REALLY A HOUSE.
THEN THEY, UM, PROVIDE PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THESE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, SO THAT'S SMALLER.
SO THIS IS THE FRONT DOOR ENTRANCE ON JOHNSON STREET AND A CLOSEUP, OH WAIT, UM, THESE ARE STAFF PHOTOS, SORRY, YES.
FROM 2021, UH, BACK WHEN THIS PROJECT STARTED, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
UM, AND SO, UM, WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS FROM BACK THEN, AND THEN THE APPLICANTS ALSO HAVE A SERIES OF PHOTOS.
SO I'LL KIND OF ZIP THROUGH SOME OF THESE.
WE CAN REFER TO THESE IF WE NEED TO.
UM, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE DAMAGE SAY ON THE ROOF BACK HERE IS FROM WHEN A TREE FELL OFF A LAR VERY LARGE TREE FELL
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ON THE HOUSE ON THIS END OF THE HOUSE.UM, AND, UM, HAVE A CLOSEUP, CLOSEUP OR CLOSER UP VIEW OF SOME OTHER DAMAGE FROM THAT.
THIS IS THE, UM, ACTUAL FROM THE CORNER OF WELL INSIDE THE PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF JOHNSON AND EAST FRONT.
SO THIS IS WHAT WOULD BE THE EAST FRONT STREET, THE CURRENT EAST FRONT STREET FACADE.
AND THEN, UH, THIS IS A, THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW VERSION OF, UM, UH, THE LEFT SIDE OR THE NORTH SIDE OF THE EAST FRONT STREET FACADE.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT THROUGH THE TREES AND SHRUBS, BUT COULD SEE THE GARAGE.
ALRIGHT, SO THEN, UH, SOME CLOSER UP DETAILS OF SOME OF THE DAMAGE FROM 20 THAT WE DOCUMENTED IN 2021.
UM, THERE'S THAT, UM, MAIN GABLE, AND THEN HERE'S THE DAMAGE ON THE PORCH GABLE.
UM, ALSO SOME DAMAGE ALONG THE EDGES OF THE ROOF AND THERE ARE ROOF SHINGLES MISSING IF YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO SEE THEM IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
UM, SO THIS WAS ALL FLORENCE DAMAGE.
NOW THIS MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN FLORENCE DAMAGE, BUT IT'S STILL, UM, BAD CONDITION FOR THAT WINDOW.
UM, THIS WAS THE BACK OF THE GARAGE, OR IS THE BACK OF THE GARAGE.
SO THE CURRENT STATE OF THE HOME NOW FROM THE APPLICANT'S BIGGER
ALL RIGHT, SO, UM, THAT LOOKS STRANGELY.
WHY IS THAT? THAT THAT'S THE ONE
GOOGLER, IS THAT, UM, ACTUALLY, IS THIS ACTUALLY REVERSED? NO, THAT IS SHRUB EAST JOHNSON STREET.
THAT'S JUST, THAT IS JUST THE, UH, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE, UH, LIGHT POST AND THE SHRUBS GROWING ON THE LIGHT POST ON THIS SIDE.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE I SEE THE STREET OVER HERE, BUT THAT NO, THAT, YEAH, THIS IS THE, IF YOU PULL IT UP ON GOOGLE, THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL GET ON GOOGLE.
THAT'S THE, UH, WHAT THE STATUS OF THE HOME WAS.
SO, UM, THAT'S MORE LIKE IT IS TODAY, I THINK, WHERE IT'S, UH, KIND OF OVERGROWN AT THE ENTRANCE.
UH, AND THAT'S ALSO THE DRIVEWAY, EVEN MORE OVERGROWN THAN BEFORE.
UM, AND, AND ALL OF THESE, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE HOUSE, BUT WHEN YOU, UH, GET CLOSER TO, IN TO VIEW THE DAMAGE AND SUCH ON THE HOUSE, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SHOTS I SUPPOSE OF THAT, RIGHT? SO LET'S GO NEXT.
THIS IS THE EAST FRONT STREET FACADE.
THIS IS FROM THE REAR LOOKING AT THE REAR OF THE GARAGE ON THE RIGHT AND THE, UM, REAR OF THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT AND THE FRONT PORCH AND THAT DAMAGED GABLE.
AND NOW EVEN MORE, UM, OVERGROWTH TAKING OVER THE HOUSE.
UM, SOME CLOSER UPS OF THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE.
AND AGAIN, THE BACKSIDE OF THE GARAGE.
THERE'S THE, UH, SCREEN PORCH, IT WAS A SCREEN PORCH AND THE STEPS AND, UH, MORE IMAGES OF THE DAMAGE.
AND THESE ALSO SHOW SOME OF THE PLANTS THAT ARE THERE AS WELL.
AND OF COURSE, THE, UH, THE STORAGE CONTAINER FRONT OF THE, IN FRONT OF THE GARAGES GARAGE DOOR BEHIND IT.
ALRIGHT, SO THOSE ARE ALL THE CONTEXT, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS.
UH, AND NOW THIS WILL BE THE, UH, SURVEYOR SITE PLAN, THE LATEST RENDITION.
UM, SO AT THE RISK OF GETTING TOO SMALL, WE'LL JUST START WITH THE BOTTOM HALF HERE ALONG EAST FRONT AND JOHNSON.
AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED HOUSE.
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THE SETBACKS ARE SET BY THE SETBACKS OF ALL THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE STREET.AND SO THAT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED HERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THIS TABLE.
THEY HAD TO MEASURE ALL OF THE SETBACKS ALL THE WAY DOWN, UH, EAST FRONT STREET AND DOWN JOHNSON STREET.
AND, UH, WITH THOSE NUMBERS, THE, UH, SETBACK ON EAST FRONT STREET CAN BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN, UH, 18.9 FEET, WHICH IS SHOWN RIGHT HERE, AND 34.1 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE CURB.
UM, WE ASKED 'EM TO DO THE BACK OF THE CURB BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY WOULD'VE TO SURVEY EVERYBODY'S FRONT LINE PROPERTY, FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
UM, AND THAT IS NOT REASONABLE.
SO WE USE THE BACK OF THE CURB.
SIMILARLY, UH, ON JOHNSON, THE, UH, MINIMUM SETBACK IS 13.2 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE CURB, WHICH ACTUALLY ISN'T EVEN ON THE PROPERTY YET.
UH, AND THE MAXIMUM SETBACK IS 44 FEET SHOWN BY THIS DASH LINE HERE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, UH, BUILDING IS WITHIN THAT RANGE, UH, SHOWN HERE IN THE SURVEY.
AND, UH, UH, OUT AT EAST FRONT STREET IS AT THE MAXIMUM.
WHAT ALSO SHOWS HERE IS JUST THE LOCATION, UH, OF THE, UM, ADDITIONAL PIECES TO THE, UH, PROJECT.
THERE'S A HANDICAPPED RAMP ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND, UH, THERE, THIS ALSO SHOWS THE, UM, SIX FOOT SETBACK.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE FARTHER THAN SIX FEET AWAY, UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT DIMENSION.
AND THEN, UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING LEFT, UM, TO DISCUSS WITH THIS PLAN IS A PROPOSED 20 BY 20 PARKING PAD, UH, DOWN HERE IN THE LOWER LEVEL IN THE BACK ALONG EDGERTON.
UM, SO THAT WOULD, UM, UH, COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENT FOR TWO PARKING SPACES ON SITE.
ALRIGHT, AND OH, JUST TO NOTE, UM, YOU SEE THE, IT'S QUITE OBVIOUS, UH, THERE'S A GRAY AREA ON THIS PLAN AND THERE'S A WHITE AREA ON THE PLAN.
UH, BOTH AREAS ARE REPRESENT THE FLOODPLAIN.
UH, THIS, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN, UH, BUT THE WHITE AREA ACTUALLY HAS EXTRA HIGHER, UM, REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THAT'S THE LIMIT OF MODERATE WAVE ACTION, WHICH IS WAVES OF LIKE THREE FEET IN HEIGHT, UP TO THREE FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND SO THAT IS WHAT THE, UH, ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEER HAS CALCULATED TO BE THE LOCATION FOR WHERE IT, UH, ENDS.
SO EVERYTHING TO IN THE WHITE AREA WOULD HAVE POTENTIALLY AT MAXIMUM STORM, UH, AT FLOOD STORM HEIGHT, UH, WAVES OF ABOUT THREE FEET IN HEIGHT BE IN THE GRAY AREA, NOT SO MUCH.
SO THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS ARE LESS, UH, STRINGENT IN THE GRAY AREA.
ALRIGHT, THIS IS WHAT'S CALLED THE ELEVATION CERTIFICATE, UM, FOR THE PROPOSAL.
AND WHAT'S TO NOTE HERE IS THAT, UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING A, UH, FLOOR ELEVATION, FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION OF, UM, 12 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL, WHICH IS EXACTLY, UH, WHAT'S REQUIRED.
UM, THE FLOOD ELEVATION, UM, BASE FLOOD ELEVATION IS NINE FEET.
THE CITY HAS A TWO FOOT, UM, SAFETY FACTOR.
AND THEN, UH, IT TURNS OUT THAT THE, UM, DUCT WORK AND MECHANICAL WORK HAS TO BE ABOVE THAT AS WELL.
SO SINCE MOST HOMES HAVE ABOUT HAVE ALL THAT UNDERNEATH THE FIRST FLOOR, WE ALLOW AN E IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE ALLOW AN EXTRA FOOT FOR THAT.
SO 12 FEET IS THE MAXIMUM AND, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE MINIMUM.
UM, THEY INDICATE HERE THAT THE GROUND AREA AROUND THE, THE HOUSE RANGES FROM SEVEN, SEVEN FEET, WELL, BASICALLY 7.1 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL TO 7.8 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE FEET, UM, BETWEEN THE GROUND AND THE FLOOR LEVEL, WHICH MAY LOOK LIKE FOUR FEET OF FOUNDATION.
ALRIGHT, SO GET TO THAT PROPOSED ELEVATIONS HERE.
OH, UH, THIS WA LET ME CHECK THIS REAL QUICK.
THESE ARE THE, THE BOTTOM ONE IS THE FRONT PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION.
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SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING BUILDING IN THAT THE FRONT IS FACING JOHNSON STREET, UH, AND THE STAIRS ACTUALLY ALIGN WITH THE WALKWAY THAT'S THERE.UM, THIS HAS A, A PORCH ON THE FRONT, UH, AND WE'LL SEE IN THE PLAN VIEW THAT THIS IS RECESSED IN COMPARED TO THIS, UH, LEFT FACADE.
UM, THE FOUNDATION FOR THE ELEVATION IS SHOWN HERE AS WELL.
IT'S ALL BRICK AND IT INCLUDES PILASTER.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE FLOOD VENTS AT THE BOTTOM.
UH, ALL THE MATERIALS OF THE COLUMNS AND HANDRAILS ARE ALL WOOD.
UM, AND LET'S SEE, THE SIDING IS ALL HARDY BOARD SIDING, AND SO IS THE TRIM.
UH, AND THAT INCLUDES HORIZONTAL HERE ON THE, UH, ON THE MAIN SIDE, WHEREAS THE GABLES ARE SHOWN WITH VERTICAL, UH, SIDING.
AND THERE'S SOME GABLE VENTING AT THE VERY TIPS OF THE TOPS OF THE GABLES.
UM, THE ROOFING ITSELF IS COMPOSITE ASPHALT, COMPOSITE, UH, ROOFING.
UM, AND, UH, OR I THINK THE WINDOWS ARE ALL VINYL WINDOWS.
VINYL WINDOWS, UM, IN THIS CASE THEY'RE PAIRED UP, UH, AND SEPARATED WITH A LARGE MOUNTAIN, UH, MULIAN IN BETWEEN THEM, UH, TO IMPLY THE SAME THING AS A HISTORIC WINDOW WOULD HAVE WITH THE, UH, WEIGHTS, UH, SPACE FOR THE WEIGHTS IN BETWEEN THEM.
SO WE'VE ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE THAT.
AND THEY HAVE HERE, UH, ALL THE WINDOWS ARE VERTICAL AS REQUIRED AS WELL, OR SQUARE AS WELL.
WE CAN GO TO THE REAR VIEW AT THIS POINT.
UH, AND YOU SEE, UH, THE REAR VIEW HAS MANY OF THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS EXCEPT THAT THE, UH, THIS, UH, THE DOOR ON THE LEFT DOES HAVE A SMALL PORCH HERE AND THERE'S A ROOF OVER IT SHOWN HERE.
UH, AND THEN THE, UH, HANDICAP RAMP COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN THE BACK.
THAT'S PUT THIS BIG LONG, UH, PIECES HERE WITH ALL THIS HANDRAIL.
UM, THEY DO HAVE A, UM, UH, AN OUTDOOR CLOSET WITH THE DOORWAY, WHICH IS, WHICH IS POKING ABOVE THE, UH, WALK THE RAMP HERE.
UH, AND THEY ALSO EVEN SHOW THE, UH, PLATFORM AND THE TWO MECHANICAL UNITS AND THEN THE ELECTRICAL AND THE GAS METERS AND STUFF OVER THERE.
UM, THEY DO ALSO HAVE THE SAME, UH, FOUNDATION ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BRICK FOUNDATION WITH THE PI LEERS.
AND IN THIS CASE, THEY SHOW THE ACCESS DOOR HERE.
UM, AND I REALLY CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE THAT MUCH DIFFERENT.
YOU'LL NOTICE THOUGH, FOR THE, UM, FOR THE RAMP, UH, THE AREA UNDER THE RAMP IS, UM, UH, ENCLOSED WITH SOME SLATS, LIKE THIS HORIZONTAL SLAT WORK, OR MAYBE BOARDS, I SHOULD PROBABLY SAY, RATHER THAN SLATS SOUND A LITTLE FLIMSY.
UM, THESE ARE HORIZONTAL BOARDS IN ORDER TO ENCLOSE THIS SPACE RATHER THAN HAVE IT JUST BE OPEN, UH, STRUCTURE.
THERE IS ALSO A DETAIL HERE ON THE LEFT SHOWING THE DETAIL FOR ALL THE HANDRAILS, UH, SUCH THAT THEY, IT COMPLIES WITH THE GUIDELINES, UH, SO THAT THE SPINDLES, UH, OR BALLISTERS ARE ALL CENTERED UNDERNEATH THE, UH, HAND RAIL, UH, THE HAND GRIP AREA AS WELL AS THE BOTTOM RAIL.
ALRIGHT, SO THESE ARE THE SAME ONES, I BELIEVE.
IS THAT RIGHT MARK? YES, IT WAS, UH, WE WERE JUST SHOWING, UH, THERE WAS, OH, THIS SHOWS THE CHANGES THAT, THAT THEY MADE CHANGES.
OH YEAH, JUST THE, UH, OH, OH, I SEE.
THIS IS YOUR ALTERNATE DESIGN.
UM,
UH, SOME OF THE REST OF THESE, UH, CLOUDED ITEMS, ITEMS WITH CLOUDS OR SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT THEY MADE SINCE THE LAST TERM, LAST TIME, SUCH AS THE CORNER, THE CORNER TRIM HAS CHANGED TO A SIX INCH, UM, DIMENSION.
AND I, I SKIPPED OVER THE REAR 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING THERE OTHER THAN THE CORNERS CORNER TRIM IS THE ONLY THING YOU CHANGE THERE.
ALRIGHT, UM, SO NOW WE'LL LOOK AT THE TWO ENDS.
THIS IS THE END FACING EDGERTON.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT STEPS GOING DOWN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE HERE.
AND NOW YOU CAN SEE I HAVE AN IDEA AS TO HOW DEEP THE FRONT PORCH IS.
UM, AND THEN ON THE FACADE FACING, UH, EDGERTON, THERE'S, UH, TWO PAIRS OF THESE DOUBLE WINDOWS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THEY ADDED THIS SECOND PAIR, UH, SINCE
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THE LAST MEETING.IS THAT SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT? OH, WELL NO, THAT'S NOT SO, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
THIS IS THE LANDING, THE FIRST LANDING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE RAMP.
OH, I GUESS MAYBE, YES, I COULD POINT OUT UNDER THE FRONT STEPS.
UM, WE DID ASK THEM TO ENCLOSE THAT, AND SO THEY'RE ALSO USING THE, THOSE, UH, HORIZONTAL BOARDS, UH, ACROSS THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN TOWARDS, UH, EAST FRONT STREET, UH, THIS WOULD BE THE FACADE FOR THAT.
UM, UM, WE ASKED AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED NOW TWO EXTRA WINDOWS HERE ON THIS FACADE.
UM, THESE TWO WINDOWS ARE FOR THE BATHROOM.
AND LET'S SEE THAT NOW YOU CAN SEE THE PLATFORM FOR THE HVAC UNIT ALSO, UM, SIMILARLY HAS THOSE HORIZONTAL, UH, BOARDS AND, UH, TO ENCLOSE THE SPACE UNDER IT.
UM, YEAH, UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THEY ARE INCLUDING GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS.
I DIDN'T MENTION THAT EARLIER.
SO THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN IF WE NEED TO SEE THAT.
UM, WHICH INCLUDES SHOWING THE, UM, THE RAMP AT THE TOP.
SO EAST FRONT STREET WOULD BE ON THE LEFT AND JOHNSON AT THE BOTTOM, EDGERTON ON THE RIGHT.
UH, AND SO IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY COULDN'T THEY PUT A WINDOW OR WHATEVER, WE CAN LOOK THAT UP.
THEY PROVIDED ALL THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION DETAILS.
UM, AND IF WE WANT TO LOOK UP THOSE, WE CAN LOOK THOSE UP.
IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
UM, WE TOOK CARE OF THE ONE ABOUT THE HANDRAILS EARLIER, THAT'S USUALLY THE ONE WE NEED TO SEE MOST OFTEN.
THESE ARE THE STRUCTURAL PLANS SHOWING, UM, THE FRAMING AND SUCH, WHICH IS NOT EXACTLY SO RELEVANT OTHER THAN THE FOUNDATION PLAN.
PERHAPS IF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE THE FOUNDATION PLAN, WE HAVE THAT HERE AS WELL.
IT SHOWS ALSO ALL THE, ALL THE POSTS AND SUCH FOR THE RAMPS AND ALL THE REST OF THE EXTERIOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND, AND IN THIS CASE NOW, UM, STRUCTURAL DETAILS, TRUSSES, THIS IS THE, UM, PLUMBING PLAN.
THIS IS THE HVAC PLAN AND THIS IS THE ELECTRICAL PLAN.
ALRIGHT, SO THEY PROVIDED SOME IMAGES FOR THEIR VARIOUS, FOR SOME OF THE PARTS OF THE PROJECT.
SO THERE'S WHAT THE ROOFING'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE.
IT'S THIS, UH, GRAY, IT'S A DARKER COLOR, WHICH IS WHAT'S REQUIRED.
UM, THIS IS ROOFING TWO, RIGHT? YES.
THIS IS STILL SUPPOSED TO SHOW US ROOFING.
LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A FROSTY DAY.
OKAY, NOW WE HAVE SOMETHING OTHER THAN WE SIDING.
UH, SO THIS GIVES AN IDEA WHAT THE SIDING WILL LOOK LIKE.
AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S THE FLAT, UM, THE FLAT TEXTURE.
UM, UH, IN THIS CASE IT'S NOT, THIS HAS THE GRAIN TEXTURE.
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THIS IS A SHOT OF ONE OF THE WINDOW OR TWO OF THE WINDOWS, ONE IN FRONT OF THE OTHER AND THE DOORS FRONT DOOR AND THE LIGHTING.SO, UM, FOR THE, THE LIGHTS OVER THE, AT THE DOORWAYS, THEY'RE PROPOSING THESE LIGHTS HERE.
GOOD BECAUSE IT'S ALSO GOT, WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS, IT'S GOT THE MAXIMUM SAME SIGN WITH THE POST SO THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ALL THREE THE SAME TEXTURE.
WE, YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER SURROUNDING HOMES.
UH, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, MARK MOORE.
UM, YEAH, UM, THESE WERE JUST MORE, UH, PRESENT TODAY.
WE COMPARED IT TO SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, HOMES UP AND DOWN EACH FRONT STREET.
THEY HAD MORE OF A GLOBE, UH, APPEAR.
SO WE WENT WITH THIS ONE TO MAKE SURE WE COULD MATCH ALL THREE LIGHTS THAT WE INTEND TO, UM, INSTALL ON THE HOME.
'CAUSE THE STREETLIGHT AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, YOU'LL SEE IN ANOTHER LAYOUT, IT ALLOWED US TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THE SAME LANTERN STYLE AT ALL.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW THE DECKS, UH, OR, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, THE, UH, HERE WE'RE SHOWING SOME OF THE HANDRAILS FROM NEARBY AND THERE'S A SAMPLE OF THE DECK AND THAT KIND OF UNDER, UM, THE, THE ENCLOSURE UNDERNEATH THE DECK, THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY FOR THE STAIR, UH, FOR THE RAMP.
NOW ALL OF THE EXTERIOR WOOD WILL BE EITHER STAINED AND THEY, UH, PROPOSED TO PAINT EVERYTHING.
SO THERE WILL BE NO EXPOSED WOOD AS IS REQUIRED.
SO, UM, SO ONE OF THE OPTIONS FOR THE FOUNDATION WAS TO, THE GUIDELINES SUGGEST, UH, EITHER PLANTINGS, TERRACING, OR UM, GRADING.
UH, AND SO, UM, THE, THE APPLICANTS ARE SHOWING SOME EXAMPLES OF ACTUALLY, UH, THE FACT THAT THE HOUSE ALREADY HAS A SMALL AMOUNT OF TERRACING WITH THAT GARDEN WALL AT THE FRONT OR RETAINING WALL AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ALONG JOHNSON.
AND THAT ALONG EDGERTON THERE'S A LARGE ONE, WHEREAS OTHER PLACES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE NO TERRACING.
BUT IN THIS CASE, UH, HAS, UH, PLANTINGS AS SCREENING.
AND THEN HERE'S THAT SAME HOUSE AGAIN FROM THE FRONT, BUT THE PLANTINGS AS SCREENING.
SO SOME, UH, OTHER EXAMPLES OF FOUNDATIONS IN THE AREA SHOWING THE PY LASTERS AND THE BRICK.
SO THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
AND THEN FOR THE VENTS, UM, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE ELSEWHERE WITH EVENTS.
AND THIS IS ELSEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN FOR THE PARKING AREA, UH, UH, LET'S SEE, LET'S MAKE THIS BIGGER BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO SEE.
UM, DOWN IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT HERE IS THE PROPOSED AREA FOR THE, UH, FOR THE, UM, PARKING.
UH, WE WILL SEE ALSO LATER IT'S PROPOSED TO BE A GRAVEL PARKING WITH A BREAKOUT LINE.
UH, ALRIGHT, AND THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SAME AREA, WHICH IS AT THE OTHER END OF THE SCREEN OF THIS, UH, GRASS AREA CLOSER UP VIEW.
THAT'S MORE LIKE THE AREA THERE.
AND FROM THE OTHER VIEW, UM, SAME AREA.
SO, OH, AND ONCE AGAIN, ANOTHER ONE.
UH, THERE ARE STEPS CURRENTLY GOING FROM THAT LOWER AREA, UM, TO THE UPPER AREA, UM, TO GET UP THE RETAINING WALL THERE.
THOSE ARE IN DISREPAIR, AND I THINK THIS IS THE SAME ONE THREE TIMES MAYBE.
OKAY, SO NOW, UM, THEY HAVE PROVIDED SOME LANDSCAPING
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PLANS.THIS ONE IS A, BASICALLY A PLANT REMOVAL PLAN.
SO EVERYTHING IN RED, NOT JUST SOLID RED, BUT ALSO OUTLINE RED, IT'S TO BE REMOVED.
SO, UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, UH, AND THAT'S THE, THE SCREEN PORCH HERE.
SO ALL OF THESE PLANTS ALONG THIS BACKSIDE OR THAT SIDE AND THEN ALONG THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WILL BE REMOVED ALL THE WAY DOWN THE SIDEWALK.
UM, ALL OF THE SHRUBS, UH, ALONG THE PERIMETER WILL STAY AND ALL OF THE STREET TREES WILL STAY.
LET'S SEE, UH, THEN, AND THE DARK ONES REPRESENT TREES, WHEREAS THE OUTLINE ONES REPRESENT SHRUBS.
SOME ARE LARGER AND SOME ARE SMALLER.
UH, AND THEY'VE ALSO INDICATED HERE THE CURRENT DISTANCE, UH, FROM THE RESIDENCE TO THE BACK OF THE CURVE IS 39 FEET.
THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED IN THE LAST MEETING.
UH, AND HERE YOU CAN SEE MORE SHRUBS.
BASICALLY ALL THE SHRUBS AROUND THE HOUSE WILL BE REMOVED.
UH, AND THESE 1, 2, 3 TREES ON THIS SIDE OF THE, ON THIS END OF THE HOUSE WILL BE REMOVED.
BUT THESE 1, 2, 3, 4 TREES WILL REMAIN.
THE BIG JAPANESE CEDAR TREE WILL REMAIN, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER ONES ARE.
THE MAGNOLIA TREE WILL REMAIN, THE DOGWOOD TREE WILL REMAIN.
AND UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY AN ANDINA THAT'S A SHRUB THAT WILL RE REMAIN AS WELL.
UH, AND AGAIN, UH, THE SHRUBS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER ARE SHOWN TO REMAIN.
UM, AND, UH, LET'S SEE, THE DISTANCE TO THE CURB ON THIS END IS CURRENTLY 46 FEET.
SO THAT'S, UH, THE NEW HOUSE WILL BE CLOSER, IS PROPOSED TO BE CLOSER THAN THAT, THAN THE CURRENT HOUSE TO THE STREET.
ALL RIGHT, WHAT ELSE? THAT'S THE REMOVAL PLAN.
THEN THESE ARE THE TREES TO BE REMOVED.
IF YOU WANT, WE CAN GO, UH, WELL NOT MAKE THEM SO BIG.
THOSE ARE ALL THE BUSHES AND TREES.
WE CAN GO OVER THAT IF YOU WANT.
SO NOW HERE'S THE PLAN FOR THE, UH, NEW PLANTINGS.
SO IN THE BACK YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THE, UH, LOOSE STONE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY WITH A BRICK PAVER SOLDIER COURSE ORDER, UM, ALONG THE BACK.
AND, UH, IT'S WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
IT IS 20 BY 20 AND THEN HAS A 20 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY.
UH, LET'S SEE THEN THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A NEW FIVE FOOT WIDE BY NINE FOOT LONG WOOD STAIRCASE, UM, TO GET UP TO THE UPPER LEVEL.
AND, UM, THERE IS A BREAK IN THE SHRUBS AT THAT POINT, WHICH ISN'T SHOWN ON THE DRAWING, BUT IT DOES EXIST.
AND THEN, UH, THERE BE PLANTING, UH, THE, EVERY, THE ITEMS IN THE GREEN SQUARES, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN RECTANGLES FROM YOUR SEATS.
UM, BUT THE GREEN ONES REPRESENT THE TREES THAT ARE GOING IN.
THIS ONE HAPPENS TO BE A WHITE FLOWERING DOGWOOD.
UH, THIS ONE HAPPENS TO BE A TONTO CREPE MYRTLE.
UH, THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE, ANOTHER TONTO CREPE MYRTLE IS THIS ONE FOLLOWING TO THAT CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
THEN, UH, AT NEXT TO THE, UH, STAIRWAY IS A WEEPING YELP ON HOLLY.
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
YES, ANO ANOTHER WEEPING UP ON HOLLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STAIRS.
THEN, UM, UH, AT, AT THE OTHER FRONT CORNER, THIS IS, UH, CAMILA HERE WITH A BIG BLACK CIRCLE.
AND THEN ALL THE REST ARE BASICALLY SHRUBS AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.
AND YOU CAN SEE NOW THE LAWN BETWEEN THE, THE CURRENT SHRUBS AND THE HOUSE ITSELF IS QUITE A BIT SMALLER.
UH, THE LANDSCAPING AREA IS TO BE BORDERED WITH BRICK, BRICK PAVER EDGE BORDER IN THE PLANTING BED.
AND NOW THE, THE SETBACK IS SHOWN HERE AGAIN AS 34.1, JUST LIKE THE UH, SURVEY PLAN.
ALRIGHT, SO THESE ARE THE PROPOSED PLANTS, UH, INCLUDING THEIR SIZE AND HEIGHT AND WIDTH AT MATURITY.
UH, SO IF WE, UH, NEED TO REFER TO THOSE, WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT WE ALSO ASK THEM TO PROVIDE A, UM, A DRAWING THAT SHOWS THE ELEVATION, KIND OF REPRESENTS THE ELEVATION OF THOSE TREES
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AND BUSH SHRUBS AROUND THE HOUSE.SO THIS BEING THE FRONT, THEY'RE SHOWN HERE.
SO, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS HERE, BUT IT WAS A LARGER TREE TO FIT IN THIS SPACE HERE.
THEN THERE WERE FOUR SMALLER SHRUBS AND THEN THE TWO YON HOLLY'S WOULD BE ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE STAIRWAY.
AND THEN AT THE BACK CORNER WHERE A TONTO CREPE MYRTLES, I BELIEVE TONTO CREPE MYRTLES, UH, ON THE CORNER HERE.
AND THERE WERE THREE MORE SHRUBS IN BETWEEN THOSE AS WELL.
SO THAT GIVES, AND THOSE ARROWS REPRESENT APPROXIMATELY THE HEIGHT OF THOSE SHRUBS AND TREES AT MATURITY.
UM, AND OF COURSE NOBODY CAN BE SURE WHAT THEY WILL TURN OUT TO BE THEN, WHEREAS ON THE BACK, WHICH WAS ABOVE HERE, I'M GONNA GO BACK UP HERE ON THE BACK, THERE ARE NO PLANTS AND SHRUBS PROPOSED.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE IS KIND OF A SECONDARY PARKING AREA ALONG BETWEEN THE RAMP AND THE HOUSE.
PLUS, UH, IT IS A, UH, JUST A SHORT AMOUNT, SMALL AMOUNT OF YARD BETWEEN THE RAMP AND THE SHRUBS ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO, ALRIGHT, LET'S LOOK AT THE OTHER TWO SIDES.
DID I JUST GO PAST THEM? YES, NO, THAT'S THE FRONT, SORRY, THE TWO ENDS.
SO THIS IS THE END FACING EDGERTON.
THERE'S THE CRATE MYRTLE ON THE END, ON THE CORNER, AND THEN THE FOUR SHRUBS, AND I FORGET WHAT THE SMALLER ONE WAS BACK HERE ON THE RIGHT IN THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOUSE THERE.
AND THEN ON THE EAST FRONT STREET SIDE WAS THE, UM, LARGER ONE ON THE CORNER AT THE FRONT CORNER.
AND THEN THERE WERE, UH, SEVERAL S YOU WOULD'VE TO SAY LARGER SHRUBS ALONG THIS SIDE AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, THEN THIS IS THE MATERIALS LIST THAT THE, THE AFOREMENTIONED MATERIALS LIST WAY BACK ABOUT WHAT, 20 MINUTES AGO.
UM, WHICH LISTS ALL THE VARIOUS MATERIALS, UH, INCLUDING THE ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES, THE FIBER, CEMENT, SIDING AND TRIM, AND THE WINDOWS, UH, THE DOORS, UM, WHICH ARE FIBERGLASS, AND THEN THE FOUNDATION WITH ITS BRICK AND THE, UH, THE VENTS AND THE CRAWL SPACE, ACCESS DOOR, AND THEN THE GUTTERS, UH, AND THEN ALSO THE RAILING AND DECK AND HVAC PLATFORM AND RAMP ALL OF THAT.
EXTERIOR WOODWORK, ALL TREATED LUMBER, UH, PAINTED WHITE.
THE PORCHES, UM, DESCRIPTION OF SOME OF THE MATERIALS FOR THE PORCH.
THE PORCHES WILL BE CONCRETE, UH, FLOORS, I'M SORRY, THE FRONT, THE FRONT ONE, CONCRETE FLOORS IN THE REAR ONE WILL BE LUMBER AND THE PARKING AREA.
UM, SO I HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THE THINGS THAT WERE NEW SINCE THE MEETING LAST TIME.
SO, UH, THEY ADDED THAT THE, UH, WOOD WOULD BE PRIMED AND PAINTED, NOT JUST PAINTED, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT.
AND, UM, THAT THE PARKING AREA WILL BE LINED WITH RED BRICK TO ENSURE RETENTION OF THE MATERIAL ALSO REQUIRED.
SO, AND THEN THEY, THERE'S A LIST OF ALL THE VARIOUS TREES THAT ARE REMOVED.
FIVE TREES REMOVED, FIVE TREES REPLACED.
UM, ALL THE SHRUBS THAT ARE REMOVED, 32 OF THEM.
UH, AND THEY'RE PLANNING TO PUT IN 33 SHRUBS.
UH, AND THEN ALSO THEY LISTED THE PERENNIALS HERE AND ALSO ONCE AGAIN MENTIONED THE RED, RED BRICK BORDER AROUND THE HOME.
AND THE WATER RUNOFF FROM THE, UH, DOWNSPOUTS IS TO BE DIRECTED INTO THE LANDSCAPING.
SO, UH, AND THAT IS THE PROPOSAL.
UM, THERE IS A POTENTIALLY A COUNTER PROPOSAL HERE, UM, BY THE OWNER THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IF YOU WANT LATER.
SO THAT PLUS THIS IS THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS FORM, UH, THE ZONING, UM, OFFICER HAS, UH, DETERMINED IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE.
BUT AZO AND A ZONING PERMIT APPLICATION IS REQUIRED FOR, OF COURSE, FOR IN A NEW BUILDING.
AND, UH, THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR
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HAS INDICATED THAT A DEMOLITION BUILDING AND FLOOD PLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMITS ARE REQUIRED.SO OUR STAFF REPORT IS READY WHENEVER YOU ARE.
UH, REMEMBER WE WILL END UP DOING THIS IN THIS DISCUSSION IN TWO PARTS.
FIRST, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DEMOLITION OF THE HOUSE, WHETHER IT'S, UH, APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
UH, AND UM, THEN, UH, AFTER YOU DECIDE THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IF YOU DECIDE IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE, THEN IT'S NO POINT IN GOING FORWARD WITH REST.
UH, BUT KEEP IN MIND, UH, THIS IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, SO, UM, WE CAN PROCEED.
OKAY, SO DOES THAT WRAP YOU UP? YEP, FOR NOW,
MARK, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE TALKED.
ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT MATT HASN'T COVERED? UM, NO, I, I, I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE JUST TRIED TO MAKE SURE WE'VE COMPARED THE STRUCTURE AND MADE THOSE MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE SURROUNDING STRUCTURE AS BEST WE CAN WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE PROGRAM THAT, UH, WE'RE UTILIZING.
SO AT THIS POINT, UM, I WILL ASK IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO HAS STANDING WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT AND, AND THAT THE DEMOLITION, IS THAT WHAT YOU ASKED? YEP.
DID YOU RECEIVE A WRITTEN NOTICE? YES, I DID.
OKAY, SO COULD YOU PLEASE, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, GIVE YOUR ADDRESS? YES.
DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT STANDING MEANS? YEAH, IT MEANS YOU RECEIVED A WRITTEN NOTICE FROM THE CITY ABOUT THIS HEARING.
IS THIS A DEMOLITION PART OR THE REDEVELOPMENT PART? IT, IT'S ALL ONE PROCEEDING.
WELL, THEY ARE, BUT, UH, ONCE THE TRAIN, THE TRAIN'S LEAVING THE STATION AND WE'LL FOLLOW OUR PROCESS AFTER WE GET, UH, COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC.
DOES IT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SO, SO THE, I GUESS THE QUE THE CONFUSION THAT MAYBE I'VE CREATED IS THAT UH, THEIR DELIBERATION WILL BE IN TWO PARTS.
SO, UH, IF YOU PLAN TO SPEAK NOW IS YOUR CHANCE, WHETHER IT BE FOR THE DEMOLITION OR FOR THE READABILITY.
I LIVE AT 600 EDGERTON DIRECTLY BEHIND AND WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM, UM, THE HPC AND UM, THERE ARE FEW AREAS THAT I'D LIKE TO GO OVER.
THE, UM, GUIDELINE 2.1, UH, DO ONE DASH THREE.
IT SAYS THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION DOES NOT SHOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PLACEMENT OF THE STRUCTURE AND OTHER STRUCTURES ON THE BLOCK AND THE STREET AND THEN CORNER LOTS HAVE TWO PRIMARY AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN AND THE NEW STRUCTURE DOES NOT ADDRESS THIS.
UH, THE PROPOSED ELEVATION ON EAST FRONT STREET IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE PRIMARY AREA OF VISUAL CONCERN.
ALSO, GUIDELINES FOR THE FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.1 DASH SIX, THE ELEVATION DOES NOT SHOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE EXISTING GARDEN WALL AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN AND THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE HEIGHT OF THE NEW STRUCTURE OR THE HEIGHT ABOVE GRADE OR TO THE SURROUNDING STRUCTURES.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF MASS SCALE, MASS AND PROPORTION 3.1, THE DEMISE DIMINISHED SCALE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS HELD BY ITS PLACEMENT ON THE ELEVATED GRADE IN SURROUNDING GARDEN WALL AND THE MASS OF THE BRICK MASONRY STRUCTURE.
STRUCTURE, EXCUSE ME, CHANGING THE MATERIAL TO WOOD SIDING HAS COMPLETELY ALTERED THE MASS AND PRESENCE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IN A NE NEGATIVE WAY.
WHERE AS, UM, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE HAS SYMMETRY IN THE PLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS AND ROOF LINES.
THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE HAS NONE OF THESE AND IS COMPLETELY HAPHAZARD AND IRREGULAR WITH SEEMINGLY NO THOUGHT TO THEIR, THEIR PLACEMENT.
IN TERMS OF FORM AND RHYTHM, THERE IS NO THOUGHT TO FORM AND RHYTHM AND IT IS COMPLETELY LACKING IN THIS NEW STRUCTURE.
THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, WHILE SIMPLE, SIMPLE, HAS SOME VERY ELEGANT AND SUBTLE DETAILING OF THE PORCH COLUMNS, CORNICE MOLDING, DETAILING, SHUTTERED DOORS AND WINDOWS, ALL OF WHICH ARE LACKING ON THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE.
UM, ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO DEMOLITION, UH, I HAVE A CONCERN LIVING BEHIND, UM, PRIOR TO DEMOLITION.
UH, THERE APPEARS TO BE I WALK PAST THAT HOME ON A REGULAR BASIS.
THERE APPEARS TO BE A LARGE NUMBER OF ROACHES IN AND AROUND THE PROPERTY.
UM, THERE IS PROMINENT VATS IN
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THE AREA.I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS COMING FROM THAT HOME.
WILL THERE BE AN EXTERMINATION OR ANY TYPE OF PEST REMOVAL DONE PRIOR TO THE TEAR DOWN? AND THEN, UM, I HAVE CONCERNS OF THE LARGE RAMP ON THE SIDE OF THE HOME.
IT'S VISIBLE FROM EAST FRONT STREET.
UM, I WAS WONDERING IF THIS STAND, UH, RAMP IS AT THE REQUEST OF THE HOME OWNER OR IS THIS A REQUIREMENT OF NC REBUILD? IF IT'S A REQUIREMENT OF NC REBUILD, CAN AN EXCEPTION BE MADE TO NOT INSTALL A RAMP OR CAN AN ELEVATOR BE INSTALLED IN PLACE OF THE RAMP DUE TO THE LOCATION OF THIS HOME BEING IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT? IF IT'S NOT NEEDED BY THE HOMEOWNER, DOES IT TRULY NEED TO BE BUILT OR CAN AN ELEVATOR BE PUT IN? UM, I NOTICE THAT THEY ARE REMOVING THE GARAGE, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT THEY'RE REBUILDING THE GARAGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REQUIRED, BUT, UM, THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE.
IT HAS A GARAGE AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT IT BACK.
UM, ALSO THERE'S A NICE SCREENED IN PORCH OR THERE WAS AN ICE SCREENED IN PORCH THAT'S BEING REMOVED AS WELL AND I DON'T SEE ON THE PLANS THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE REPLACING THAT SCREENED IN PORCH.
AND THEN LASTLY, UM, THE APPLICATION IS IN THE NAME OF MR. DAVID FRENCH.
THE DEED IS IN THE NAME OF A MARIANNE D WILLIAMS TRUST.
I DON'T SEE ANY MENTION OF THE NAME OF DAVID FRENCH WONDERING WILL THIS DEED OR WILL THERE BE DOCUMENTATION SHOWING THAT MR. FRENCH HAS THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE ALTERATIONS TO THIS PROPERTY? AND THAT'S IT.
WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS.
UM, YOU STARTED OFF PRETTY WELL TYING THINGS TO GUIDELINES, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
UM, I'M GONNA LEAVE IT TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND WHEN WE GET TO DISCUSSION, UH, TO BRING UP A DISCUSSION THAT MAY OR MAY NOT RELATE TO WHAT YOU'VE INQUIRED.
AS FOR THINGS LIKE PEST CONTROL AND WHAT ARE THE, THE GRANT REQUIREMENTS AND, UH, THE LEGAL OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY, UM, WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME THAT WE HAVE THE CORRECT LEGAL OWNERSHIP BASED ON THE AFFIDAVIT WE HAVE ON FILE.
I TRUST COUNSEL'S ANTENNA IS UP, AND IF SOMETHING CHANGES AFTER THE FACT, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.
UM, BUT AS FOR ALL THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE, UH, THE ENTITY DOING THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE DESIGN, WHICH IS A VERY UNUSUAL DELIVERY PROCESS THAT APPARENTLY EVERYBODY IS, UH, QUITE AWARE OF BY VIRTUE OF YOUR APPEARANCE HERE, UM, WE HAVE NO PURVIEW UNDER OVER THAT.
SO WHAT IS IN THE APPLICATION IS WHAT WE WILL DECIDE TONIGHT AND WE'LL EITHER APPROVE IT, DENY IT, OR APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS.
MR. UM, MR. VICE CHAIR, AS THE ISSUE OF OWNERSHIP HAS BEEN RAISED, UM, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR, UH, MR. FRENCH IF HE'S HERE TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE, JUST SO THAT THE RECORD IS CLEAR.
UH, DAVID, YOU WANT TO TAKE A SHOT AT THAT? SURE.
I'M DAVID FRENCH, UM, 1 0 4 JOHNSON STREET.
UM, I'M THE BENEFICIARY TRUSTEE OF THE MD WILLIAMS TRUST, UH, CERTIFICATE OF TRUST WITH SUPPLY TO THE CITY.
CERTIFICATE OF TRUST HAS BEEN SUPPLIED TO REBUILD YEARS AGO THAT SHOWS THAT I AM THE SOLE BENEFICIARY OF THE TRUST.
THE HOUSE WAS CONVEYED INTO THE TRUST IN 2011, AND SO I WHEN COUSIN MARYANNE PASSED AWAY IN 2022, I'M THE, I'M THE BENEFICIARY OF THE TRUST.
OKAY, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS, COUNSEL? NO, NO SIR.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, SO WE WERE IN THE MIDST OF A PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THOSE WHO HAVE STANDING.
ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS STANDING WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT EITHER FOR OR AGAINST, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
MY NAME IS ANN SHOUT AND I LIVE AT 2 0 1 JOHNSON STREET AND IT IS A PROPERTY WITH STANDING, WE ARE WITHIN 100 FEET.
I'M SPEAKING FOR ALL OF THE CONTIGUOUS NEIGHBORS THAT RECEIVED, UM, THE NOTICE TONIGHT.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS 1 0 4 JOHNSON STREET.
IT'S A 1960S RANCH STYLE, ONE STORY, AND ONE OF ONLY TWO IN THE HISTORIC AREA.
THESE ARE THE OTHER THREE HOUSES AT THE INTERSECTION OF JOHNSON AND EAST FRONT STREET.
THEY REFLECT A MIX OF ARCHITECTURAL
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STYLES RANGING FROM THE EARLY 19TH TO THE EARLY 20TH CENTURIES.ALL OF THESE HOUSES ARE BUILT FROM THE FINEST MATERIALS AND SHOW SUPERIOR CONSTRUCTION.
IN FACT, I THINK MY HOUSE IS THE ONE THE LITTLE PIGS RAN TO, TO GET AWAY FROM THE, YOU HAVE 22 INCH THICK WALLS.
UM, 5 28 EAST FRONT STREET IS THE JARVIS JONES HOUSE CIRCA 1810.
ACCORDING TO PETER BECK, IT'S ONE OF THE FINEST SIDE HALL PLANNED DWELLINGS CONSTRUCTED IN NEW BERN DURING THE PROSPEROUS FEDERAL PERIOD.
2 0 1 JOHNSON STREET IS THE CHARLES SLOVER HOUSE FROM 1849.
AGAIN, ACCORDING TO SAND BACK, THE HOUSE IS NEW BERN'S GRANDEST GREEK REVIVAL STYLE RESIDENCE AND RANKS AMONG THE FINEST HOUSES OF THE PERIOD IN THE STATE.
2 0 2 JOHNSON STREET IS THE HARVEY B MARKS HOUSE, CIR CODE 1912 FROM SAND BECK, AGAIN DESIGNED BY HERBERT WOODLEY SIMPSON.
THE HARRY B. MARKS HOUSE COMBINES THE RESTRAINED USE OF COLONIAL REVIVAL FORMS WITH A NUMBER OF FOURSQUARE AND EARLY BUNGALOW STYLE DETAILS.
THE HOUSE IS AGAIN, TWO AND A HALF STORIES AND OUR NEIGHBORS, AND I THINK THAT THIS IS PROBABLY, IF NOT THE MOST, ONE OF THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT HIS HISTORICALLY AND ARCHITECTURALLY INTERSECTIONS IN THE HISTORIC AREA.
THIS IS YOUR PRESENTATION THAT WE'RE SEEING? YES.
YEAH, IT LOOKS STRANGELY FAMILIAR, DOESN'T IT? NO, I JUST WAS REALIZE, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GOING BACK TO LOOK THE SAME ONES, BUT THIS IS NO, NO, THIS IS YOURS.
THESE ARE ALL MY PHOTOGRAPHS AND EVERYTHING.
UM, THESE ARE THE CONTIGUOUS HOUSES THAT RECEIVED THE NOTICES THAT ARE IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC AREA.
6 0 5 EAST FRONT IS THE GABRIEL MANGO RAINS HOUSE FROM 1810.
IT IS A TWO AND A HALF STORY HOUSE, 6 0 8 EAST FRONT IS THE JOHN H CRABTREE HOUSE, CIRCA 1885.
IT IS A TWO STORY HOUSE, THEN WE GO TO EDGERTON DRIVE.
600 EDGERTON IS THE CHARLES HICKS HOUSE CIRCA 2021.
IT IS ONE OF THE NEWEST CONSTRUCTIONS IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC AREA AND IS AN AWARD-WINNING DESIGN IN 2021.
IT IS A TWO STORY HOUSE, 6 0 6 EDGERTON IS THE SCOTT GRIGGS HOUSE CIRCA 1995.
IT IS A TWO STORY HOUSE AS WELL AS YOU CAN SEE.
EVERY HOUSE SURROUNDING 1 0 4 JOHNSON IS AT LEAST TWO STORIES HIGH AND REFLECTS THE BEST IN NEGRO'S ARCHITECTURE THROUGH THE YEARS.
OKAY, MATT, HERE'S A PICTURE OF THE PROPOSED HOUSE FOR 1 0 4 JOHNSON STREET.
UM, IT IS FINANCED BY HUD AS YOU KNOW, AND IS DESIGNED THAT CAN BE SEEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
IT REFLECTS THE CURRENT TREND IN HOUSES THAT ARE USUALLY USED BY HUD TO REPLACE DAMAGED HOMES.
AS YOU WILL NOTE, IT IS A ONE STORY HOUSE.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE PROPOSED HOUSE RAISED UP.
THIS IS AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE WITH A BRICK FOUNDATION.
WILL THIS HOUSE BLEND IN WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND BE CONGRUOUS? WILL IT FOLLOW THE HPC GUIDELINES? LET'S TALK ABOUT GUIDELINES FOR DEVELOPMENT PATTERN 2.1 AND 2.1 0.3.
EVEN THOUGH THE EXTENT HOUSE FACES JOHNSON STREET IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH 2.1 0.1, THE HOUSE SHOULD BE NARROW AND FACE EAST FRONT STREET.
AGAIN, THE PROPOSED HOUSE IS A ONE STORY HOUSE.
THERE'S NOT ANOTHER ONE STORY HOUSE WITHIN ONE BLOCK OF THE PROPERTY IN ANY DIRECTION.
UM, ON BOTH OF THESE SECTIONS, THE PROPOSED HOUSE IS INCONGRUOUS AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
MAY I PLEASE DETERMINING IF CHANGE IS NOT INCONGRUOUS? THIS IS SECTION 1.8.
THE PROPOSED HOUSE VIOLATES BOTH OF THE SENTENCES THAT ARE AED AND IS INCONGRUOUS IN RELATIONSHIP, RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER STRUCTURES, ADJACENT PROPERTIES, THE STREET AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND IT IS ALSO INCONGRUOUS IN MASS PROPORTION SCALE AND STYLE FOR THE PROPOSED, UH, PROPOSED FOR USE.
THIS IS SECTION 3.3 SCALE MASS PROPORTION AND RHYTHM.
UH, HERE THE PICTURES REALLY TALK FOR ME.
THE SCALE OF THE HOUSE IS INCONGRUOUS BECAUSE IT IS A ONE STORY HOUSE IN THE MIDST OF THE TWO STORY HOUSES.
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UM, IN MASS, THE HOUSE IN THE CENTER IS LOWER AND WIDER JUST AS A PROPOSED HOUSE IS AND THEREFORE IS INCONGRUOUS WITH THE SURROUNDING HOUSES IN PROPORTION.THE HOUSE IS A ONE STORY AMONG TWO STORY OR BETTER HOUSES AND IS NOT THE SAME TALL AND NARROW DESIGN OF THE IMMEDIATE HOUSES.
THE HOUSE IS NOT POSITIONED ON THE LOT IN THE SAME MANNER AS MANY OF THE OTHER HOUSES ARE ON EAST FRONT STREET AND JOHNSON AND IS THEREFORE INCONGRUOUS.
MAY I PLEASE? LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERN ABOUT THE INCONGRUENCY WITH THE PROPOSED HOUSE.
I THINK KRISTA AND DAVID CALENDAR SUMMED IT UP BEST.
IS IT PERMISSIBLE FOR ME TO READ THAT? NO.
WELL, UNLESS THEY'RE PRESENT, ARE THEY PRESENT? PARDON? ARE THEY PRESENT? NO, THEY'RE ON VACATION.
THEY GIVE THE APPROVAL TO, TO PROVIDE THIS LETTER.
WELL, WE, WE CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS OF A PERSON WHO'S NOT HERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE TO BE PRESENT ANYWAY.
ALL EIGHT OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS ARE UNALTERABLY OPPOSED TO THE HOUSE PLAN AND HAVE SIGNED THE DRAWING YOU SENT OUT TO SHOW THEIR SOLIDARITY.
YOU WILL NOTICE THAT EVERYBODY HAS SIGNED IT EXCEPT FOR ONE PERSON.
AND THAT'S THE ONE, ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S ON VACATION.
UM, WE ALL WANT MR. FRENCH TO HAVE A HOUSE TO FIT HIS NEEDS AND BE OUR NEIGHBOR, BUT WE WANT THE HOUSE TO BLEND IN WITH THE SURROUNDING HOUSES AND CONFORM TO ALL THE GUIDELINES OF THE HPC.
SINCE THE PROPOSED HOUSE DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE GUIDELINES, WE STRONGLY ASK THAT YOU DENY THE COA FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WITHSTANDING WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND PREFERABLY SPEAK ABOUT THINGS THAT WE HAVE NOT ALREADY TALKED ABOUT? I'M NOT QUITE AS PREPARED AS MY, AS MY LOVELY NEIGHBORS, BUT MY NAME'S JOANNE MCKEE.
I LIVE AT 6 0 4 EAST FRONT STREET, SO I HAVE A WONDERFUL BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THIS HOUSE FROM MY BEDROOM.
I HAVE 15 WINDOWS IN MY BEDROOM AND SO WHEN I LOOK OUT, I SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES NECESSARILY IF THE HOUSE IS NOT APPROVED, IF YOU WILL STILL APPROVE THE DEMOLITION, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO BEG FOR IT TO BE TO TORN DOWN.
THERE ARE, UM, SQUIRRELS, CATS, RATS, YOU NAME IT, THAT ARE IN THAT HOUSE THAT COME INTO MY YARD.
UM, IT'S, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE TOP, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE HOLES IN THE ROOF.
YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN JUST SEE THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE AND TO LOOK OUT AND SEE THAT IT'S JUST, IT'S SUCH A TERRIBLE EYESORE.
SO I JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT I HOPE THAT YOU WILL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE TEARING IT DOWN EVEN IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THE HOUSE.
IF YOU DO APPROVE THE HOUSE, WHATEVER, IT STILL NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN.
UM, IT EXCEEDS 75%, I THINK IS THE RULE FOR, UM, OF THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE.
I STILL AM, I'M STILL LICENSED.
AND IT'S ALMOST KIND OF FUNNY WHEN I LOOK OUT AND I SEE IT BECAUSE I HAVE THIS HEART THAT WANTS TO GO OVER AND FIX IT FOR DAVID
I'D LOVE TO FIX IT FOR DAVID, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE THE POWER TO AT LEAST TEAR IT DOWN AND, AND MAKE THAT CORNER LOOK PRESENTABLE IN NEW BERN.
IT IS A BEAUTIFUL STREET WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL TOWN, AND IF YOU COULD JUST AT LEAST APPROVE THAT PART TO, TO TEAR IT DOWN.
ANYONE ELSE WITHSTANDING WHO HAS SOMETHING NEW TO SHARE? NO, I JUST BASICALLY WANT TO ECHO THE YEP.
MR. CHAIR, IF YOU COULD HAVE THIS SPEAKER INDICATE HIS NAME AND ADDRESS.
OH, UH, JERRY KING, 1 0 5 QUEEN STREET.
AND HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN? WHAT WAS THAT? HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN EARLIER? YES.
AND MR. CHAIR, WE COULD VERIFY WHETHER THIS GENTLEMAN RECEIVED A LETTER.
DID YOU RECEIVE A LETTER? NO, I DID NOT.
FROM, OKAY, SO YOU DON'T HAVE STANDING.
AND, AND SO IF I COULD ASK YOU TO HOLD YOUR THOUGHT TILL WE TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY WITH STANDING AND THEN YOU CAN COME BACK.
SO AGAIN, ANYBODY WITH STANDING MEANING YOU RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE CITY OF NEW BERN, UM, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? IT JUST MADE ME THINK, AS SHE MENTIONED, HAVE TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN.
YOU COME UP AS IT WAS MENTIONED, TO TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN.
IS THERE IS THE HOUSE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT IT IS NOT REPAIRABLE? WELL, WE, WE, WE DON'T KNOW YET.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
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OKAY.ANYBODY WITHSTANDING WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAIN? GOOD EVENING.
I'M DAVID FRENCH OF 1 0 4 JOHNSON STREET.
AS I SAID BEFORE, I'M HERE AS A BENEFICIARY TRUSTEE FOR MY COUSIN MARYANNE D UH, HER TRUST WILLIAM MARYANNE, D WILLIAMS TRUST.
IN 2016, MY DEAR COUSIN SUFFERED A STROKE AND I BECAME HER FULL-TIME, 24 7 CAREGIVER IN SEPTEMBER, 2018, WHICH NEXT MONTH WILL BE SIX YEARS SINCE HER FLORENCE HIT NEWBURN AND MADE HER HOME UNINHABITABLE.
UM, NEXT, BUT, UH, THERE WERE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA WHO WERE MADE HOME HOMELESS BY THIS, UH, STORM.
UM, I'VE OFTEN SAID THAT I WOULD GLADLY SPEND A MONTH IN THE ATTIC AS WE DID THAT NIGHT AND THE NEXT MORNING.
AND IF I NEVER HAD TO SEE THE LIKES OF FEMA AND REBUILD NC AGAIN AFTER WHAT MY COUSIN AND I HAVE ENDURED FOR SO MANY YEARS, AS PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN ONCE SAID THE SCARIEST WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
I'M WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND I'M HERE TO HELP.
I'VE LIVED THIS, UH, RIGHT UP THERE.
THROUGH THE KINDNESS AND ASSISTANCE OF FAMILY, FRIENDS, AND NEIGHBORS, WE HAVE MADE THE BEST WE COULD OF A TERRIBLE SITUATION OVER THESE PAST YEARS.
WE THANK AND APPRECIATE ALL OF IT.
IN EARLY 2019, FEMA SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO REPAIR THE HOME, AND THAT SHE WOULD BE BACK HOME BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
THIS PROVED TO BE UNTRUE IN MARCH, 2020.
COVID HIT AND ALSO THE FEMA ASSISTANCE FOR TEMPORARY HOUSING CAME TO AN END.
OUR NORTH CAROLINA ELECTED OFFICIALS AT BOTH THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVELS FAILED TO REQUEST AN EXTENSION OF THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION FOR HURRICANE FLORENCE.
EVEN THOUGH TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA WERE STILL DISPLACED IN DECEMBER, 2020, WE MADE AN APPLICATION FOR THE REBUILD NC PROGRAM AND, AND WERE ACCEPTED IN JANUARY, 2021.
THE REBUILD NC PROGRAM IS ADMINISTERED UNDER HUD VIA THE NC OFFICE OF RECOVERY AND RESILIENCY, WHICH IS CONTROLLED BY GOVERNOR COOPER'S OFFICE VIA SECRETARY BUFFALO'S DEPARTMENT OF, UH, SAFETY AND HEADED BY DIRECTOR HOGSHEAD.
IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO REPAIR AND POSSIBLY ELEVATE THE HOME, AND THAT WE, WE SHOULD BE BACK IN THE HOME.
WITHIN ABOUT A YEAR OR SO, THEY WERE INFORMED THAT HER HOME WAS IN THE NEWBURG HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THAT GUIDELINES MUST BE FOLLOWED.
THEY'VE KNOWN ABOUT THIS SINCE DECEMBER, JAN DECEMBER OF 2020.
THIS BEGAN THE, THE CYCLE OF, PLEASE JUST GIVE US THREE MORE MONTHS REFRAIN.
OUR FIRST PROGRAM LIAISON WAS EXCELLENT IN ASSISTING US THROUGH THE UNBELIEVABLY AND UNNECESSARILY COMPLICATED REBUILD PROCESS FOR WHICH THERE ARE EIGHT STEPS.
BY THE END OF 2021, WE WERE NOT BACK IN.
MY COUSIN'S HOME AND REBUILD DID NOT EVEN HAVE ALL THE NECESSARY INSPECTIONS COMPLETED.
IN JANUARY, 2022, WE WERE ASSIGNED TO OUR SECOND PROGRAM LIAISON, AND SHE ALSO DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.
BUT WE SOON LEARNED THAT SHE AND HER COMPANY WERE BEING GIVEN FALSE INFORMATION FROM REBUILD NC AND THAT THEY WERE TOLD TO PUT PEOPLE OFF AND MAKE UP EXCUSES.
SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE WOULD NO LONGER LIE FOR THEM.
I SAID THAT WE WERE TIRED OF THE CONTINUED DELAY AND THAT MY COUSIN JUST REALLY WANTED TO GO BACK TO HER HOME, AND THAT WE WERE GOING TO CONDUCT CONTACT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AS WELL AS THE MEDIA IF SOMETHING WAS NOT DONE.
SHE ASKED TO GIVE HER A MONTH TO TRY TO GET US MORE ANSWERS.
WE ACTUALLY GAVE HER TWO MONTHS OR SO.
I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT SHE DID ALL THAT SHE COULD, BUT SHE WAS HAMSTRUNG BY REBUILDING CITY IN APRIL, 2022.
I REACHED OUT TO STEVE TYSON, WHO WAS NOW OUR NORTH CAROLINA STATE REPRESENTATIVE, AND HE WAS VERY HELPFUL IN NAVIGATING THE STATE BUREAUCRACY.
UH, IN 2018, WHEN FLORENCE HIT, STEVE TYSON BECAME THE LEADER OF THE RECOVERY EFFORT HERE IN NEW BERN, CRAVEN COUNTY.
HE WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY, AND WE ALL OWE HIM A HUGE, UH, DEBT OF THANKS AND GRATITUDE OVER THESE YEARS OF DEALING WITH REBUILD NC.
WE COULD NOT HAVE MADE IT THIS FAR WITHOUT HIM, HIS LEGISLATIVE STAFF AND ASSOCIATES IN MAY, 2022, LISA SORG, SORG, AN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST FORMERLY WITH NC NEWSLINE.COM, PUBLISHED HER FIRST ARTICLE ABOUT THE FAILURE OF THE LEADERSHIP OF THE REBUILD NC PROGRAM AND THE PLIGHT OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE STILL NOT BACK IN THEIR HOMES.
SOME SINCE 2016 WHEN HURRICANE MATTHEW HIT, AND WITH MANY STILL LIVING IN MOLD INFESTED HOMES AND OTHERS IN HOTELS FOR YEARS
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WHERE THEY WERE OFTEN LOCKED OUT AND OR EVICTED DUE TO REBUILD NOT PAYING THE HOTEL BILLS ON TIME, SHE IS THE ONE, UH, TO BE GIVEN CREDIT FOR EXPOSING THE INCOMPETENCE, THE MISMANAGEMENT AND NEGLIGENCE OF COOPER BUFFALO, HOGSHEAD STEIN AND THEIR COHORTS.HER UNBIASED REPORTING LED TO THE NC LET'S SAY, LEGISLATURE TO CONDUCT THE FIRST HEARING ABOUT REBUILD NC IN SEPTEMBER 22, SEPTEMBER, 2022.
DUE TO MY COUSIN'S CONDITION, I WAS, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND, BUT WE SUBMITTED A STATEMENT ON WHAT WE HAD ENDURED.
THE IN-PERSON TELEVISED TESTIMONY FROM THE FOLKS WHO HAD SUFFERED.
SO WAS HEART WRENCHING TO SAY THE LEAST IN SEPTEMBER 22, UH, HEARING BEGAN, UH, THE VERY SLOW PROCESS OF CHANGING SOME THINGS.
BUT THE NC STATE LEGISLATURE WAS HAMSTRUNG BY COOPER SINCE IT ALL FALLS UNDER HIS PURVIEW.
LATER, COOPER EVEN WALKED OUT OF A TV INTERVIEW WITH WRAL WHEN QUESTIONED ABOUT THE REBUILD DEBACLE, AS LISA TH ONCE TOLD ME, SHE HAS NEVER BEEN SO DISAPPOINTED WITH COOPER'S LACK OF RESPONSE TO THE PLIGHT OF THE HURRICANE MATTHEW AND FLORENCE SURVIVORS IN OCTOBER, 2022.
VERY SADLY, MY DEAR BELOVED COUSIN MARYANNE PASSED AWAY.
SHE WAS A STROKE AND HURRIED FL FOREIGN FLOOD SURVIVOR, WHO SADLY WAS NEVER ABLE TO RETURN TO HER BELOVED HOME.
DUE SOLELY TO THE INCOMPETENCE, THE MISMANAGEMENT, AND THE NEGLIGENCE OF INCOR REBUILD NC UNDER THE BUREAUCRATIC THUGGERY OF COOPER BUFFALO PS HEAD STEIN AND THEIR COHORTS IN DECEMBER, 2022.
AFTER WRITING YET ANOTHER EMAIL TO REBUILD NC ELECTED OFFICIALS AND LISA THOR, WE WERE FINALLY ASSIGNED OUR FIFTH PROJECT LIAISON.
I WAS FINALLY CONTACTED BY MR. ARLIN WITH REBUILD NC, WHO WAS HOG'S HEAD'S RIGHT MAN AT THE TIME.
HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR APPLICATION MOVED FORWARD.
BY THIS TIME, REBUILD, NC HAD DETERMINED THAT IT WAS BETTER TO TEAR DOWN HOMES AND BUILD NEW ONES.
INSTEAD OF REPAIRING AND ELEVATING THE DAMAGED HOMES REBUILD ONLY HAD ONE FLOOR PLAN THE O'NEILL THAT WOULD FIT ON THE LOT AND WAS ABOUT THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE AS COUSIN MARYANNE'S HOME.
HE WAS INFORMED AT THE TIME THAT THE HOME WAS IN THE NEWBURGH HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THAT THE GUIDELINES MUST BE FOLLOWED.
HE SAID THEY WOULD ADHERE TO ALL LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL GUIDELINES.
AND ABOUT JANUARY OF 2023, AFTER HAVING THE O'NEILL PLANS EVALUATED BY A FRIEND WHO SERVED ON THE FIRST NEW BRUN HPC AND ALSO AN ARCHITECT FRIEND, THERE WERE SOME OBVIOUS ISSUES WITH THE DESIGN.
THESE WERE COMMUNICATED TO MR. UH, ARLIN WITH REBUILD NC, AND HE SAID THAT NO CHANGES WOULD BE MADE UNLESS THE NEW NEWBORN HBC VOTED.
THE PLAN DOWN IN AN OFFICIAL PUBLIC MEETING REBUILD WAS AGAIN GIVEN THE LINK TO THE NEW BERN HPC LUMS IN THE SPRING OF SEP OF, IN THE SPRING OF 2023, REBUILD SENT MR. TRUMPER AND MR. TEOP THEIR SURVEYOR TO MEET WITH THE CITY OF NEW BERN DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES ABOUT OUR HOME.
I WAS NEITHER INFORMED OR INVITED TO THIS MEETING AND A WALK AROUND OF THE HOME.
I ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT MONTHS LATER BY ACCIDENT WHEN I WAS INFORMED THAT THE GIST OF THE MEETING WAS THAT THEY HAD DETERMINED THAT IT WAS GOING TO COST REBUILD A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY, AND THEY WERE TRYING TO FIGURE A WAY OUT TO GET OUT OF IT.
ALSO, SOME OF THE O'NEILLS WERE BEGINNING TO BE BUILT, AND IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS FROM THE PHOTOS THAT THE DESIGN OF THE HOME WOULD NOT FIT INTO THE NEW BERN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IN LATE APRIL AND EARLY MAY OF 2023, I WAS INFORMED THAT IF I DID NOT SIGN THE REBUILD NC AWARD AGREEMENT THAT I KNEW HAD FALSE INFO IN IT, THAT I WOULD BE KICKED OUT OF THE PROGRAM AND ALSO BE MADE HOMELESS WITH THE ADVICE OF MY ELECTED OFFICIALS AND OTHERS.
I SIGNED THE DOCUMENT AS I HAD NO CHOICE.
IN JULY, 2023, THERE WERE NUMEROUS ISSUES WITH DETERMINING THE SETBACKS OF THE HOME.
REBUILD, REFUSED TO BELIEVE THAT THE SETBACKS WERE AS STATED THE PREVIOUS YEAR IN AN EMAIL FROM THE CITY OF NEW BERN, UNBEKNOWNST TO ME, THE CITY OF NEWBURN CHANGED HOW THEY DETERMINED SETBACKS IN AUGUST, 2023.
I WAS NEVER INFORMED UNTIL MUCH LATER.
IN LATE NOVEMBER, 2023, I FINALLY, AS I, I WAS FINALLY ASSIGNED A GENERAL CONTRACTOR SHEPHERD'S RESPONSE, A FLORIDA BASED COMPANY WHO NOW HAS OFFICES NEAR RALEIGH.
I SPOKE WITH MR. MOORE, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR SHEPHERD'S RESPONSE AND INFORMED HIM ABOUT THE ERN HPC GUIDELINES.
HE SAID HE HAS YEARS OF PULLING PERMITS AND IT WOULD BE NO PROBLEM.
HE WAS GIVEN A LINK TO THE NEW ERN HPC GUIDELINES.
I TOLD HIM, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE STEPPING INTO.
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IN EARLY DECEMBER, 2023, WE HAD A PRE-CONSTRUCTION WALKTHROUGH WITH ANOTHER REP FROM SHEPHERD'S RESPONSE AND A YOUNG MAN FROM REBUILD SEA.THE SHEPHERD'S RESPONSE MAN SAID THAT HE SAW THIS TO BE A BUILD TO SITE PROJECT.
I ASKED WHAT THIS MEANT, AND HE SAID THAT IT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE HOME BUILT FOR THE NEIGHBOR THAT'S NOT IN THEIR CURRENT REPERTOIRE OF HOMES.
IN DECEMBER, 2023, I REQUESTED THE FULL PRE-CONSTRUCTION REPORT FROM SHE'S RESPONSE AND THEY REFUSED TO SEND IT TO ME.
THE YOUNG GUY FROM REBUILD DID SEND ME HIS REPORT, BUT IT WAS FULL OF INCORRECT INFORMATION.
IN JANUARY, 2024, I WAS INFORMED THAT IF I DID NOT SIGN THE REBUILD PRE-CONSTRUCTION REPORT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S FULL OF INCORRECT INFORMATION, I WOULD BE, FOR THE SECOND TIME I WOULD BE KICKED OUT OF THE PROGRAM AND BEEN MADE HOMELESS WITH ADVICE OF MY ELECTED OFFICIALS AND OTHERS.
OVER THE NEXT MONTHS, I TRIED TO REPEATEDLY, UH, TO CONVEY TO SHEPHERD'S RESPONSE AND REBUILD, SEE MY CONCERNS, BUT THEY FELT ON DEATH AND DUMB EARS.
THIS IS ON, THIS IS ONE OF THE MAIN PROBLEMS WITH THE REBUILD NC PROJECT.
THEY DO NOT INCLUDE THE, OR LISTEN TO THE HOMEOWNERS.
WE, WE GOT TWO FACEBOOK SUPPORT GROUPS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SURVIVORS OF THE REBUILD DEBACLE AS EXPECTED, REBUILD NC DID NOT HAVE THEIR ACT TOGETHER, AND IT TOOK THEM FOUR MONTHS TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE NEW BERN HBC DESIGN REVIEW IN MAY OF 2024.
AND THEY HAVE ATTENDED ATTUNED, THEY HAVE ATTENDED A TOTAL OF THREE DESIGN REVIEW MEETINGS IN TOTAL AT EVERY MEETING.
I HAVE SAID THAT THIS HOME DESIGN IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE NEW BERN HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS I HAVE SAID THROUGHOUT THIS VERY LONG PROCESS, THIS HOME NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED BY A LOCAL NEW BERN ARCHITECT AND BUILT BY A LOCAL NEW BERN BUILDER.
I DESIRE TO HAVE A HOME THAT I LIKE MY NEIGHBORS LIKE, AND THAT ADDS TO THE WONDERFUL CHARM AND CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN WHICH MY FAMILY HAS LIVED FOR OVER 300 YEARS.
AND I'D LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL CAN SEE THIS, BUT THIS SAYS IF THE GOVERNMENT HAD A SANDWICH MAKING PROGRAM, THIS IS HOW THE SANDWICH WOULD, THIS IS HOW THE SANDWICH WOULD LOOK.
SO DAVID, BEFORE YOU GET AWAY FROM ME YES SIR.
FOR THE RECORD, DO YOU WANT ME TO PROCEED WITH HEARING THIS APPLICATION? YES.
SO DAVID JUST GAVE A VERY LENGTHY BACKGROUND ABOUT THE, UH, HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH COINCIDENTALLY HAS NO BEARING ON GUIDELINES.
SO I'M GONNA ASK ONE MORE TIME, IS THERE ANYBODY WITHSTANDING WHO HAS SOMETHING TO SAY THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD THAT IS TIED TO THE GUIDELINES? MARK? SO EVERYBODY WITH STANDING HAS SPOKEN.
MARK, YOU'VE HEARD A BUNCH OF FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE WITHSTANDING, AND I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO ADDRESS IF YOU CARE.
UH, MR. KANE, UH, WE, WE, WE GO, WE WE'RE GETTING BACK.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE MR. KANE.
MARK MOORE WAS SHEPHERD RESPONSE.
UH, REGARDING THE NNC REBUILD PROGRAM, IT DID HAVE A, A STATE REVIEW OF THE PROGRAM AND THERE HAS BEEN MANY CHANGES TO THE PROGRAM.
UM, WE ARE GOING, ARE COMPLETELY GOING TO APPLY BY ALL CODES AND GUIDELINES ASSOCIATED WITH THE HPC.
WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH MATTHEW TO WORK THE ORIGINAL PLAN TO MAKE SURE WE MET ACCORDANCE SETBACKS WITH EVERYTHING.
SO THE HOME AS ADDRESSED OF HOW THE HOME WILL SIT IN ACCORDANCE WITH SETBACKS RELATED TO OTHER HOMES, THE HEIGHT REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY, THE CODE.
WE ARE GONNA MAKE SURE WE MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND WE DID SPEND A LOT OF TIME TO MAKE SURE WE MADE SURE TO GET THE TEXTURING AND, UM, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS IN THE HOME TO MAKE SURE THAT'S COVERED WITH ONE COMMENT.
UM, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE A RESPONSE.
WE DID RECOGNIZE THAT THE SURROUNDING HOMES ARE MAINLY TWO STORY, TWO AND A HALF STORY.
AGAIN, THAT WAS THAT COVENANT PICTURE WE DID.
IF THERE IS A REQUEST TO MOVE, IF IT IS APPROVED TO BUILD THIS STRUCTURE ON THERE OF AGAIN, ADDING THE, UH, WINDOWS ON THE, UH, END TO GET THAT ONE AND A HALF STORY, UM, PER THERE, THE CURRENT PROPERTY WAS A ONE STORY PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT HE WAS, UH, MR. PRINCE WAS AWARDED A ONE STORY PROPERTY.
THE REBUILD PROGRAM FELT THAT THAT WAS IN ACCORDANCE TO RETURN THE SAME TYPE OF STRUCTURE THAT WAS ON THAT FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME.
AND ALSO TO MAKE SURE WITH ROOF ASSOCIATING
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TO 2.1 0.1, ANY CHANGE IN THE WIDTH AND DEPTH OF THE STRUCTURE.THAT'S WHY THE NEW FLOOR PLAN THAT WAS PICKED MADE SURE, BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS, UH, DIFFERENT TO MOST OF OTHER STRUCTURES.
'CAUSE IT IS A CORNER LOT WHICH COVERS THE ENTIRE CORNER FROM EAST FRONT STREET, JOHNSON STREET IN EDGERTON.
SO THAT IS WHY IT WASN'T INITIALLY DETERMINED AND CHANGE INTO A TWO STORY, BUT KEEPING THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE PER THE HUD REQUIREMENTS, WHAT WAS BRIDGED IN THE PROGRAM, BUT CHANGE THOSE DIMENSIONS OF THE HOME TO BE SMALLER OR, UH, WIDTH.
UM, IN THAT RELATION TO JUST THE RAMP, UH, QUESTION, UH, IT WAS REQUESTED BY THE HOMEOWNER.
UM, AND WE MADE SURE TO MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT IS A CORNER LOT.
IT IS ON THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT PER CODE, BUT IT IS THE CORNER LOT WITH EAST FRONT STREET JOHNSON STREET.
SO IT'S HARD TO MEET THE SAME THINGS WITH OTHER COMPETING STRUCTURES BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE SURROUNDING STRUCTURES TO BLOCK THAT VIEW.
BUT IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENT TO BE IN THE BACK OF THE HOME ON THAT ONE COMMENT.
UM, UM, JUST TO COMMENT, WE WILL DO AN ASSESSMENT AFTER, IF IT IS APPROVED TO DEMOLISH THE HOME, WE'LL DO A REASSESSMENT.
IF THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO DO ANY SORT OF HEALTH CONCERNS OF THE HOME, WE'LL MAKE SURE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
IF THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO WHEN WE DEMOLISH THE HOME, IF IT IS INFESTED WITH OTHER THINGS TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE FOR THE SURROUNDING ERRORS.
'CAUSE IT IS SO CLOSE TO THAT, WE WILL MAKE AN ASSESSMENT AT THAT TIME.
ALRIGHT, SO AT THIS POINT, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION? AND SO I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. KANE, WAS IT WHO, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE, BUT UH, YOU KNOW, IF I STRAY FROM MY ROUTINE, I GET LOST.
MR. CHAIR, JUST SO THAT THE RECORD IS CLEAR, UM, THIS GENTLEMAN DID NOT RECEIVE A LETTER, SO HE WILL NEED TO MAKE SOME DEMONSTRATION ABOUT, UM, HOW HE WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT DIFFERENT THAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
WELL, AS FAR AS BEING IMPACTED, UH, EAST FRONT STREET IS FULL OF OLD HISTORIC HOMES.
THIS, THIS DESIGN DOES NOT FIT.
BUT IN THE BIG PICTURE OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENT BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, TO GET BACK IN THE HOUSE, HE'S GOTTA HAVE THAT DESIGN.
I DON'T LIKE IT EITHER, BUT YEAH, IT IMPACTS ME BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE NICE HISTORICAL HOMES SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THERE NOW, BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE A CHOICE, SO.
AND, AND DID WE GET YOUR ADDRESS AND PULL 1 0 5 POINT STREET? YEAH.
IM SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? 1 0 5.
ANYONE ELSE? DAVID, YOU'VE HAD YOUR CHOICE.
WELL, I I HAVE ONE OTHER CALL I'VE HAD HERE.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN THE NON STANDING ZONE.
NOW WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT GUIDELINES.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THINGS WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT.
I WANNA TALK ABOUT DEMOLITION.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MATT THAT A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION IS NOT, WILL NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL ANOTHER HOME COA HAS BEEN APPROVED.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE CAN'T TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE WE CAN'T GET TO OUR HEARING TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
NO, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE GUIDELINES, THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY SAY.
IT MAY WELL BE THE CASE, BUT IT MAY NOT BE THE CASE.
AND WE'LL DETERMINE THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF OUR HEARING.
SO DURING THE HEARING, DOES ANYONE HAVE A TIME TO SPEAK IF Y'ALL READ UP MORE QUESTION? WE DO NOT.
THIS IS YOUR TIME TO SPEAK IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK.
I OPPOSE A DEMOLITION UNTIL THERE IS A COA FOR THE NEW HOUSE TO BE THERE.
I I, I AGREE WITH MY NEIGHBORS.
BUT A NEW HOUSE, MY UNDERSTANDING, THE CITY DOES NOT WANT OPEN SPACE PLACES.
WE'LL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT.
ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION? ARE WE READY? HAVE WE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT? THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE TO SPEAK.
THERE WILL BE NO OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
SPEAK NOW CORINNE, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ITCHING TO COME UP HERE.
YOU SURE? I MEAN, THIS IS YOUR LAST OPPORTUNITY.
ANYBODY ELSE? YOU POSITIVE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING YOU, YOU NEED TO CONTRIBUTE? OKAY.
AND SO WITH THAT, I GUESS, UH, MARK, YOU GET ONE LAST CHANCE TO OFFER ANY INFORMATION OR REBUTTAL TO THE FOLKS WHO HAVE OFFERED INFORMATION TO YOU AND US.
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I'M GONNA SPEAK A LITTLE BIT.UM, SO JUST AS A, A CONTRACTOR WORK IN THE AREA, WE'VE WORKED BUILT, UM, SEVERAL HOMES.
I KNOW THIS IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, BUT IT IS, UM, DOES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD NEW HOMES.
WE FEEL THAT WE DO BUILD VERY GOOD QUALITY, UH, SAFE SANITARIAN DECENT HOMES FOR THE, FROM THIS PROGRAM.
UM, A LOT OF OUR HOMES, UM, HOMEOWNERS HAVE VERY READILY APPRECIATE THOSE HOMES.
WE ARE GONNA MAKE SURE TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
THERE WAS MENTION OF WE WILL USE THE CONCRETE SIDING.
WE WILL MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, BASED ON THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND REQUIREMENTS, WE FEEL WE DO MAKE A VERY GOOD AND SAFE AND DECENT HOME.
ALRIGHT? WE DO LIKE TO JOIN AND ALL OUR HOMEOWNERS HAVE GREATLY APPRECIATED AND THEIR NEIGHBORS AS WELL AND THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT WE HAVE WORK IN NORTH CAROLINA.
WE'LL BE BACK TO YOU IN A LITTLE BIT.
SO IF WE'VE GOT NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT, I THINK WE MAY, STAFF MAY VERY WELL BE READY FOR A STAFF, UH, ASSESSMENT.
UM, I'LL MAKE THIS LARGER, LARGE ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO READ BRIEF.
OOH, THAT'S A LITTLE TOO LARGE.
UH, THIS IS THE STAFF REPORT FOR, UH, THE APPLICANT'S DAVID FRENCH FOR WILLIAMS TRUST.
UH, THE OWNERS AND SHEPHERD RESPONSE FOR REBUILD NC, THE APPLICANT ADDRESS IS FOR A RE, FOR SHEPHERD RESPONSE IS 4 0 1 EAST MAIN STREET, SUITE 200 AND CLAYTON, NORTH CAROLINA.
THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS 1 0 4 JOHNSON STREET IN NEW BERN AND THERE IS NO HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME, UH, BECAUSE THE STATUS OF THIS ONE IS, IT IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THE NATIONAL REGISTER, NEW BERN HISTORIC DISTRICT IN INVENTORY DESCRIPTION IS THEREFORE NOT AVAILABLE OR NOT APPLICABLE.
AND SAND BACK HAS NO DESCRIPTION OF THE HOUSE EITHER.
UH, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE THE DEMOLITION OF THE ONE STORY NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE AND GARAGE AND REDEVELOPMENT WITH A ONE STORY INFILL HOUSE.
STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING EXCERPTS FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PRINCIPLES AND DESIGN STANDARDS.
AKA GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION, THE PROCESS FOR WHICH CONSISTS OF TWO DELIBERATIONS, DEMOLITION, AND REDEVELOPMENT.
SO STARTING WITH DELIBERATION, ONE FOR DEMOLITION.
THE GUIDELINES FOR DEMOLITION ARE 6 4 1.
THE DEMOLITION OF A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE SHALL NOT BE DENIED BY THE HPC, UH, 6.43.
THE HPC RESERVES THE RIGHT TO POSTPONE DEMOLITION UNTIL DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING PERMITS ARE APPROVED FOR REDEVELOPMENT PLANS.
6.44, UH, PREPARED DRAWINGS AND PHOTOGRAPHICALLY DOCUMENT THE SITE PRIOR TO DEMOLITION INCLUDE PHOTOGRAPHS OF INTERIORS, EXTERIORS, ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND CONTEXT WITHIN THE STREET SCAPE AND 6.45 NOTIFY PRESERVATION ORGANIZATIONS AND ALLOW FOR THE SALVAGE OF DESIGN COMPONENTS, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, AND BUILDING MATERIALS FOR REUSE.
IN ADDITION, THE GUIDELINES STIPULATE QUOTE, IN RENDERING A DECISION ON A DEMOLITION, COA.
THE HPC SHOULD ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING THREE CONSIDERATIONS, CONSIDERATION ONE.
AND THEY EACH HAVE, UM, SUB QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED.
UM, CONSIDERATION ONE IS TO ADDRESS THE HISTORICAL, CULTURAL AND ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE STRUCTURE.
IS IT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE? UH, STAFF SAYS NO.
THE 2003 NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY INDICATES A STRUCTURE IS NON-CONTRIBUTING.
SECOND, IS IT SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE OF ITS HISTORIC USE AND EVENT? A PERSON, A BUILDER, OR AN ARCHITECT STAFF SAYS NO, THERE IS NO INDICATION OF SUCH SIGNIFICANCE.
THREE, IS IT THE LAST OR OLDEST EXAMPLE OF A CERTAIN BUILDING TYPE STAFF? THERE ARE STILL MANY, MANY RANCH STYLE HOUSES FROM CIRCA 1980 OR 60 IN THE CITY, COUNTY, STATE, AND THE COUNTRY.
SO, CONSIDERATION TWO, ADDRESS THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE.
WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS OF FOUNDATIONS, FLOORS, WALLS, WINDOWS, DOORS AND ROOFS.
STAFF, WHILE THERE ARE SEVERAL RELATIVELY MINOR EXTERIOR PROBLEMS, THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION HAS INDICATED TO HPC STAFF THAT THE INTERIOR HAS BEEN UNINHABITABLE AND ABANDONED FOR OVER FIVE YEARS DUE TO THE DAMAGES INCURRED FROM HURRICANE FLORENCE.
SECOND QUESTION IS, IS IT A HAZARD TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE? AND STAFF HAS INDICATED THAT THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN SECURED, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION.
THREE, UH, TO ADDRESS ATTEMPTED PRESERVATION EFFORTS, HAVE OPTIONS FOR REHABILITATION, BEEN EXPLORED WITH
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PRESERVATION ORGANIZATIONS FOR STAFF? IS NOT TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE STAFF.HAS THE APPLICANT BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL IN SEEKING ALTERNATIVES TO DEMOLITION? NOT TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE STAFF HAVE ALTERNATIVES FOR STRUCTURE, RELOCATION AND SALE OF THE PROPERTY BEEN PURSUED.
STAFF ALSO ANSWERED NOT TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE STAFF.
SO FOR THE DELIBERATION ONLY ON THE DEMOLITION OF THE HOUSE AND GARAGE, THE STATEMENTS ARE REASONED BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT.
R ONE, THE PROJECT IS A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOME AND GARAGE IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IN THE NO NEWBURN LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
TWO, THE HPC MAY NOT DENY AN APPLICATION TO DEMOLISH A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THE FLOODING OF HURRICANE FLORENCE IN 2018 AND SUBSEQUENT VACANCY HAS MADE THE BUILDING UNFIT FOR HABITATION.
THE HOUSE IN THE GARAGE ARE NOT PARTICULARLY UNIQUE OR SIGNIFICANCE AS A HISTORIC RESOURCE.
THERE ARE NO SPECIAL FEATURES OF THE HOUSE NOR THE GARAGE THAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED.
THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT FOR THE SITE WILL NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE HPC AND DELIBERATION.
TWO BEFORE A COA AND A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT MAY BE ISSUED.
AND SEVEN, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
SO THE HPC SHALL DELIBERATE ON THIS FIRST SEGMENT OF THE PROCESS BEFORE PROCEEDING TO DELIBERATION.
THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UH, ONE REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION TWO, THE DEMOLITION SHALL BE POSTPONED UNTIL DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING PERMITS ARE APPROVED FOR REDEVELOPMENT PLANS.
AND THREE, DUE TO THE NON-CONTRIBUTING STATUS, HPC DETERMINES THE REQUIREMENTS TO DOCUMENT THE SITE AND CONTACT PRESERVATION ORGANIZATIONS ARE UNNECESSARY.
THOSE ARE POTENTIAL CONDITIONS FOR THE APPROVAL.
SO THE HPC SHOULD NOW DISCUSS THE DEMOLITION AND VOTE ON IT BEFORE CONTINUING TO THE NEXT DELIBERATION.
UM, ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UH, AS WE KNOW, WE'VE SEEN THIS AT DESIGN REVIEW MANY TIMES.
UM, WHAT WE'RE MATT HAS, UH, GIVEN US AN OVERVIEW.
AND, UH, WHAT I WANT TO REMIND YOU IS, IS I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR PROCESS WE'RE USING IS FOR A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
AND THIS IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
WE'RE JUST USING THAT FRAMEWORK TO KEEP US ORGANIZED AND COME TO A, A DECISION AS WE NORMALLY WOULD IN SUCH A SITUATION.
UM, SO I, I, YOU KNOW, I EXPECT A LOT OF THE PARAMETERS THAT WE'RE ASKED TO DELIBERATE DON'T APPLY.
AND FEEL FREE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONVERSATION IF YOU SEE INSTANCES OF SUCH.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, AGAIN, THIS IS OUR TWO STEP REVIEW PROCESS.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, DISCUSS THE DEMOLITION, WE'LL COME TO SOME CONCLUSION.
AND DEPENDING ON THAT CONCLUSION, WE'LL DETERMINE WHETHER WE GO TO REDEVELOPMENT OR, UH, OR NOT TO THE NEXT APPLICATION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT COMMISSIONERS? ABOUT, UH, HOW WE'RE GOING TO MEANDER THROUGH THIS? WE, WE ALL GOOD? SO, SO WITH THAT SAID, I, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST, UM, THERE, THERE ARE THREE CONSIDERATIONS FOR EVALUATION.
LET, LET'S, LET'S DEAL WITH CONSIDERATION TWO FIRST, WHICH, UM, TALKS ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, DO I HAVE A COMMISSIONER WHO CARES TO COMMENT OR ASK A QUESTION ON CONSIDERATION TWO? YEAH.
THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, WELL, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S BEEN STATED PRETTY CLEARLY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IT'S SAT EMPTY.
UH, I MEAN I, WHAT I'M LOOKING, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, UH, JUST TO CUT, CUT TO THE CHASE HERE IS, UH, GUIDELINE 6.4.
POINT ONE SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CANNOT DENY A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS.
IT HAS EVEN, EVEN IF IT'S, EVEN IF, UH, IT WAS, UH, DOCUMENTED SOMEWHERE, WHICH IS NOT, UH, THAT IT HAS, IT HAS NO HISTORICAL, CULTURAL OR ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.
THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO.
WHETHER IT'S HABITABLE OR NOT, IT'S, I DON'T THINK IS, UH, RELEVANT HERE.
JUST BECAUSE IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND WE HAVE CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT IT IS, IS NOT A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
IT'S NOT ON THE DOWNTOWN INVENTORY.
UH, THERE'S NO DESCRIPTION, UH, IN THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE OF NEW
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BERN AND CRAVEN COUNTY.UH, IT'S NOT INDIVIDUALLY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
SO THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE, I THINK IS SOMEWHAT IRRELEVANT.
AND SO OFTEN I FULLY AGREE WITH MR. THOMPSON THIS, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT STATEMENT.
AND WE, THE GUIDELINES CLEARLY SHOW THAT WE HAVE NO WAY TO DENY THAT DEMOLITION OF THE BILLING.
WELL, LET ME ASK THE OTHER QUESTION.
IT DOES, IS THERE AN, A COMMISSIONER OPINION THAT THE BUILDING IS REPAIRABLE? I'M HEARING NONE AFTER BEING DUMPED AND SITTING FOR FIVE YEARS.
I'M, I'M NOT NECESSARILY ADVOCATING FOR ONE POSITION OR THE OTHER, BUT RELATED TO THAT ISSUE, SINCE WE CANNOT DENY DEMOLITION, CAN WE THEREFORE REQUIRE THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE APPROVED? I'M NOT SURE WE CAN.
IT WOULD SEEM TO ME IT'S UP TO THE HOMEOWNER.
WELL, AGAIN, I, I'D JUST LIKE TO USE THAT PROCESS.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH.
I'M JUST SAYING, I'M NOT SURE TO THE EARLIER QUESTION, SINCE WE CAN'T DENY DEMOLITION, CAN WE TIE IT TO REDEVELOPMENT? I DON'T THINK SO.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO EITHER.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE REQUIRING IT TO BE DEMOLISHED TODAY, BUT IT WOULD BE UP TO THE OWNER.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THIS BODY HAS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH TO TIE IT.
I, I, I FOR ONE, DO NOT FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH TO TIE IT.
IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS TO ME THAT THE BUILDING'S IN DISREPAIR AND, UM, OBVIOUSLY GEORGE WASHINGTON DID NOT SLEEP THERE,
AND IT IS NOT, UH, UH, IN AN EXAMPLE OF A HIGH STYLE OF, OF ARCHITECTURE.
SO REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU COME TO YOUR DECISION, THAT'S HOW I, ALL THE SANDBORN MAPS GOING BACK.
AND I, IT'S NEVER BEEN A BUILDING THERE UNTIL THIS, THAT I COULD TELL.
DO WE NEED A COA AT ALL IF WE CANNOT DENY THE DEMOLITION? SAY AGAIN? DO WE NEED A COA AT ALL IF WE CANNOT DENY THE, THE DEMOLITION? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, MIKE? YEAH, MR. CHAIR, I HAD A, I HAD A QUESTION.
YOU SAID THAT YOU WANTED TO USE THE FRAMEWORK OF A CONTRIBUTING JUST TO KIND OF KEEP SOME ORDER, BUT IS, IS THAT REALLY THOUGH APPROPRIATE IF IT IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING? DOES I, I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO JUST TO KIND OF KEEP SOME ORGANIZATIONAL IN THAT, BUT I, I DON'T, I I KIND OF AGREE WITH SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT WELL, WELL, WE CAN, WE CAN DEVIATE FROM THAT IF YOU WANT.
I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY WOULD'VE BEEN IF SOMEONE HAD PARTICULAR HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE THAT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF.
PERHAPS WE COULD CONSIDER THAT, BUT, OKAY.
SO WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO? GIVE ME A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE, UH, A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE DEMOLITION, UH, OF THE STRUCTURES AT, UH, 1 0 4 JOHNSON STREET, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW BRUIN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH FOUR 11 TO 15 DASH 4 29 AND NEW BRUIN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
BASED ON THESE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT 6.4, UH, THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
AND WE, UH, WE CANNOT, UH, DENY, UH, DEMOLITION OF NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
UH, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO POSTPONE DEMOLITION, UH, UNTIL AN APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS PRESENTED.
UH, UNDER CONSIDERATIONS FOR EVALUATION, UH, I THINK WE'VE DETERMINED THAT, UH, NONE OF THESE CONSIDERATIONS REALLY APPLY.
WE DETERMINED THAT, UM, THIS, THIS, THIS, UH, PROPERTY, THIS STRUCTURE HAS NO HISTORICAL CULTURAL ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.
SO, UNDER FINDINGS OF FACT, AGAIN, LET ME STATE, UH, THIS IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, NO REFERENCE IN SAND BECK'S BOOK.
IT'S NOT INDIVID INDIVIDUALLY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
IT'S NOT, UH, DOCUMENTED AS PART OF THE HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICT INVENTORY.
THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT INVENTORY.
UH, THE BUILDING IS NOT HABITABLE.
AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF, UH, BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE INFORMATION AND, UH, DETERMINED THAT THE BUILDING DOES NOT HABIT ALL.
SECOND, UH, WE GOT A MOTION AND WE'VE GOT A HOLD ON.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, I'D LIKE TO ALSO ADD A CONDITION THAT, UM, WE WILL, UH, ALLOW THE DEMOLITION TO PROCEED ONCE WE HAVE A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
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OKAY.RICHARD? I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND.
BASED ON THE CONDITION, I THINK THE CONDITION IS INAPPROPRIATE.
I I WOULDN'T SECOND WITH THAT CONDITION.
I WOULD NOT SECOND WITH THAT CONDITION BECAUSE YOU OKAY THEN I WILL, I WILL.
MAY I WITHDRAW THE CONDITION? YES.
EVERYBODY CLEAR WHAT WE'VE GOT? WE'VE MOVED.
AND SECOND, EVERYBODY CLEAR WHAT THE MOTION IS.
AND MY ONLY SUGGESTION IS, I THINK YOU REFERENCED 6.4 0.3 IS ONE OF YOUR GUIDELINES, WHICH YOU PROBABLY WANT TO DELETE AT THIS POINT BASED ON YOUR REVISION.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND I'M NOT TRACKING, LET ME, LET ME ASK THIS.
UM, DO WE WANT, WE, WE'VE ENCOUNTERED THIS BEFORE WHERE, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN? UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK BEFORE YOU WENT DOWN THAT PATH.
IF, IF YOU JUST GRAINED THE LOT, IF THAT'S A REQUIREMENT, CLEAR, CLEAR AND GRAINED THE LOT.
AGAIN, WE'RE SO GOING TO HANDLE THIS AS A TWO STEP PROCESS.
SO YOU ALREADY WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE SOMETHING WITHOUT, WITH POTENTIALLY NOT HAVING A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
EVERYONE'S, EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH IT.
THAT, THAT, THAT IS A FACT THAT COULD HAPPEN.
WELL, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT THAT'S THE MOTION ON, ON THE FLOOR.
SO AGAIN, ARE, ARE YOU, ARE YOU REMOVING THAT SIX POINT, UH, 4.3 FROM YOUR MOTION? UH, IF THAT'S NECESSARY FOR US TO MAKE SOME PROGRESS HERE? YES.
SO WE HAVE A REVISED MOTION AND A REVISED SECOND.
DO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ON DATE? YES SIR.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE REVISED MOTION? HEARING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, SO THERE'S PART ONE.
ALRIGHT, ARE WE READY TO TAKE UP PART TWO ON THE REDEVELOPMENT? SURE.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO DO SO.
SO YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO CONTINUE WITH MY STAFF REPORT IF, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE FOR DELIBERATION.
TWO, UH, STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING.
HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS PORTION OF THE APPLICATION BASED ON THE PLANS AND DESCRIPTIONS PROVIDED AT THE TIME OF THE PREPARATION OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, POINTS OF HPC POLICY, THE POLICIES AND RULES OF PROCEDURE ADOPTED BY THE HPC FOR EVALUATING A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBSEQUENT TO A DEMOLITION INCLUDE ONLY TWO SENTENCES.
UH, ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION PROPOSED FOR THE SITE WILL BE EVALUATED BASED ON HISTORIC GUIDELINES FOR INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
AND SECONDLY, UH, A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN MUST INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS AS CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REVIEW AND PRELIMINARY APPROVAL BY THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR AND A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME FOR COMPLETION OF REDEVELOPMENT.
SO THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAVE REVIEWED THE PROPOSED SKETCHES, AND THEY HAVE COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND THE TIMEFRAME FOR COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT HAS NOT YET PROPOSED.
STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING, UH, PRINCIPLES AND DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION.
SO IN SECTION TWO, 2.1, 2.1, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, THESE WOULD BE THE PRINCIPLES, UH, PROJECT PLANNING CONSIDERATIONS.
DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FAR LONGER THAN ZONING AND EXISTING BUILDINGS ESTABLISHED AN UNDER UNDERSTANDABLE RHYTHM ALONG THE STREETSCAPE WITHOUT HISTORICAL REGARD FOR LAND USE.
THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN NEW BERN HAVE THREE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, EACH OF WHICH IS A RECORD OF A PARTICULAR ERA IN URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND EVOLUTION.
AND ONE OF THOSE IS THE TIGHT WEAVE PATTERN AND WHICH IS THE ONE THAT APPLIES AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, I WON'T READ THAT ENTIRE THING THERE.
UM, HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE DONE SO PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
UM, AND ANOTHER IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IS THE PLACEMENT OF STRUCTURES.
SO WE HAVE THAT, UH, PRESENTED THERE AS WELL.
UM, SO ADVANCE NOW DOWN TO THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN STANDARDS 2.1.
TO MAINTAIN THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR PLACEMENT OF INFILL CONSTRUCTION, THE RELATIONSHIP OF A STRUCTURE OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES SHOULD BE SIMILAR TO THOSE UP THE STREET, DOWN THE STREET, AND IN MOST CASES ACROSS THE STREET.
AND 2.1 0.3, UH, THE FOOTPRINT, SCALE AND PROPORTION OF INFILL CONSTRUCTION SHALL BE KEEPING WITH NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
IN GENERAL, IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO CONSTRUCT A THREE STORY STRUCTURE IN AN AREA THAT IS DOMINATED BY ONE STRUCTURES.
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UTILITIES.UH, WE HAVE 2.31, 2.3, 2.33 AND 2.36.
FOR LANDSCAPING STANDARDS, WE HAVE 2.2 0.2, 2.4 0.3, AND 2.4 0.4.
FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALL STANDARDS, WE HAVE 2.55.
FOR PARKING STANDARDS, WE HAVE 2.7 0.4.
SO THEN IN THE NEXT SECTION ON DESIGN ATTRIBUTES, I WILL JUST READ THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION HERE.
MODIFICATIONS, ADDITIONS AND INFILL CONSTRUCTION SHALL COMPLIMENT THE SCALE PATTERN, MATERIALS, PROPORTION, AND MASS OF SURROUNDING HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL RESOURCES.
AND THEN UNDER 3.1, THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES, UM, INCLUDES SCALE, MASS AND PROPORTION.
AGAIN, I'LL READ THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION.
OVERALL SCALE COMPARES BUILDING FORM TO THAT OF NEARBY BUILDING STRUCTURES AND OPEN SPACES.
UH, CONSTRUCTION THAT IGNORES SCALE DISRUPTS THE HARMONY OF THE STREETSCAPE.
UH, THERE IS ALSO THE DIFFERENTIATION WITH WHAT IS MASS AS COMPARED TO SCALE.
UH, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE THREE DIMENSIONAL ASPECT OF PROJECT.
UH, PROPORTION IS ALSO MENTIONED HERE AS WELL AND, AND DEFINED.
UH, THEN TWO PARAGRAPHS LATER.
BUILDINGS IN ANY GIVEN DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ARE GENERALLY SIMILAR IN SCALE AND MASS AND FACADE PROPORTIONS OF A STRONG VERTICAL ORIENTATION.
INFILL CONSTRUCTION SHOULD RESPECT THESE CHARACTERISTICS.
AND THEN LASTLY, ANOTHER PARAGRAPH IN THAT SECTION IS WITHIN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, BUILDINGS ARE TRADITIONALLY TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT WITH SLOPED ROOFS.
FACADES ARE TYPICALLY ORGANIZED IN A SERIES OF BAYS DERIVING THEIR CHARACTER FROM ARTICULATED FRONT PORCHES, ENTRY DOORS, AND WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS.
ANOTHER SECTION IN THIS, UH, PORTION HERE IS, UH, TEXTURE WHERE IT ADDS ADDITIONS.
AND INFILL CONSTRUCTION SHOULD PROVIDE A DEGREE OF TEXTURE SIMILAR TO SURROUNDING BUILDINGS.
FOR DETAILS, UH, UH, THERE IS A LITTLE DESCRIPTION THERE, AND THEN IT ENDS WITH, HOWEVER, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT ADDITIONS AND INFILL CONSTRUCTION REFLECT AND REINTERPRET TRADITIONAL BUILDING DETAILING.
SO THE SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES ARE 3.1, 0.1 3.1 0.2, AND 3.1 0.4.
THEN IN THE PORTION ON INFILL CONSTRUCTION, 3.4, THE PRINCIPLES ARE, UH, INDICATED THERE WITH THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA SAYS THEY ARE TO BE APPROPRIATELY PROPORTIONED.
UH, I'M SORRY THAT IT SHOULD START AT THE FIRST SENTENCE THERE.
CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS MAY BE USED ON INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
THEY ARE TO BE U APPROPRIATELY PROPORTIONED USED IN TRADITIONAL WAYS AND INSTALLED IN A TRADITIONAL MANNER.
AND SO THE ACTUAL STANDARDS THAT APPLY HERE WOULD BE 3.42, 3.4 0.3, AND 3.44 SECTION ON DESIGN COMPONENTS FOR FOUNDATION STANDARDS, UH, WE HAVE 4.1 0.2, THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE AND SIX.
FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION STANDARDS, 4.2 0.4.
FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS STANDARDS, WE HAVE FOUR POINT, 3.2, AND THREE.
FOR ENTRANCES STANDARDS, WE HAVE 4.4 0.4 FOR ACCESSIBILITY AND LIFE SAFETY STANDARDS SUCH AS THE RAMP, UH, 4.7 0.2 AND THREE FOR MASONRY STANDARDS.
5.15 FOR PAINT, 5.4, 0.2, THREE AND FOUR.
AND FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.1, 2, 3, 5, AND SIX.
SO THE STATEMENTS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE ONE, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT INCLUDES A PROPOSAL FOR REDEVELOPMENT AFTER DEMOLITION WITH A ONE STORY INFILL HOUSE.
AND THREE, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AFTER DELIBERATION.
THE HPC SHOULD INCLUDE A VERSION OF THESE STATEMENTS, ONE OR THE OTHER.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS DOES OR DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PRINCIPLES AND DESIGN STANDARDS.
IF THE STATEMENT IS THAT IT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, IT MUST BE STATED HOW MUST BE STATED, HOW IT DOES NOT WITH REFERENCE TO THE TEXT OF THE GUIDELINES AND OR THE SPECIFIC STANDARDS.
AND THEN FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS OR IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
YOU WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE THOSE IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER.
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THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.UH, ONE, TWO, AND THREE REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS, DIVISION TWO, AS REQUIRED BY HPC POLICY, A REVIEW AND PRELIMINARY APPROVAL BY THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SHALL BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
AND THREE, AS REQUIRED BY HPC POLICY, A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME FOR COMPLETION OF REDEVELOPMENT SHALL BE ESTABLISHED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
SO HPC SHALL DELIBERATE ON THIS SEGMENT OF THE PROCESS, THEN VOTE ON THE REDEVELOPMENT IF WARRANTED.
THE HEARING CAN BE CONTINUED TO A FUTURE HPC REGULAR MEETING.
IF BOTH THE DEMOLITION AND THE REDEVELOPMENT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, ANOTHER VOTE IS TAKEN AS TO WHETHER TO ISSUE THE COA FOR BOTH DECISIONS.
THAT'S THE END OF OUR STAFF REPORT.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, WE'VE GOT A, UH, PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION.
LET'S TALK ABOUT SITE AND SETTING.
ANY COMMENTS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN? WELL, DOESN'T MEET THE TIGHT WEED REQUIREMENTS OF THE EXISTING HOUSES.
UM, IT, IT'S A NON-CONFORMING PROPERTY.
SO, UM, IT'S, DOES IT HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE WEEDS, BY THE WEAVE OR THE TEXTURE? I THINK IT DOES.
WELL, I I THINK THE DEFINITION OF THE TAPE WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS SIMPLY THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT, UH, BUILDINGS THAT ARE, UH, TAKE UP A MAJORITY OF THE, THE LOT THEY SIT ON AND THEY HAVE SIDE YARDS, BACKYARDS, AND FRONT YARDS.
FRONT YARDS, AND THE STRONG VERTICAL ORIENTATION.
I'M LOOKING AT 2.1 0.3 AND IT SAYS IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO CONDUCT, TO CONSTRUCT A THREE STORY STRUCTURE IN AN AREA THAT IS DOMINATED BY ONE STORY STRUCTURES.
AND I WOULD SAY CONVERSELY, THAT IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY STRUCTURE, UM, IN AN AREA THAT IS DOMINATED BY TWO STORY STRUCTURES.
AND I THINK ON THAT ALONE, THAT'S SUFFICIENT TO DENY THIS APPLICATION.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? WELL, TO THAT POINT, IF YOU GO UP AND DOWN THE STREET, TAKE FIVE HOUSES EACH DIRECTION.
UM, I CAME UP WITH 15 3, 3 OR TWO AND A HALF STORY AND 13 TWO STORIES.
AND SO CLEARLY THE PREDOMINANT STRUCTURE IS TWO STORY OR GREATER.
AND I, I DON'T SEE THIS BEING A ONE STORY HOUSE MATCHING THAT, UM, SCALE PROPORTION AND IT DOESN'T MEET THE, UM, THERE WAS A, THE DRAWING WAS POINTED OUT, THE MASS YEP.
A LOWER ONE STORY VERSUS TWO STORY VERTICAL ORIENTATION.
AND YES, IN, UH, IN THE DEFINITE OR THE WRITEUP OF, UM, TIGHT WEAVE, IT DOES SPECIFICALLY SAY, EXCUSE ME, I'VE GOT TOO MANY NOTES, BUT MS. SHOUTS WAS, UH, SO GOOD.
I DON'T HAVE TO READ ALL OF IT.
UM, WITHIN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, BUILDINGS ARE TRADITIONALLY TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT WITH SLOW CREWS.
AND THAT CERTAINLY IS WHAT'S GOING ON.
I DID ASK IN DESIGN REVIEW IF THERE WAS A CONSIDERATION FOR A TWO STORY HOUSE, AND THE ANSWER SIMPLY IS THIS IS WHAT MR. FRENCH QUALIFIES FOR.
AND SO I WILL SAY THAT I ASKED IN DESIGN REVIEW, UH, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET A TWO STORY HOUSE.
AND MR. MOORE SAID VERY CLEARLY THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DENY IN A MEETING LIKE THIS IN ORDER FOR THEM TO CONSIDER TWO STORY.
AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TWO SIMILAR OPINIONS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER OPINIONS THAT WE WANT? I DO SHARE THE OPINIONS VOICED OUT BY THE OTHER COMMISSION.
UH, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION OR DO I NEED TO KEEP POLL PEOPLE SEE DIFFERENT, I HAVE A MOTION IF YOU WANT MR. CHAIR, JUST TO BE SURE IF YOU ALL ARE SATISFIED THAT THIS IS THE GREATEST DEFICIENCY AND YOU'RE WILLING TO HANG YOUR DECISION ON THESE PARTICULAR GUIDELINE PREMISES ALONE, UM, YOU CAN DO THAT IF THERE ARE OTHER DEFICIENCIES IN THE APPLICATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO EXPLORE IDENTIFYING THOSE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD.
I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT.
YOUR COMMENT, COUNSELOR, IF YOU, IF YOU FIND BASED ON THE, THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED THAT A DENIAL IS WARRANTED FOR FAILURE TO SATISFY GUIDELINE 2.1,
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0.3 AND THE DESCRIPTION OF TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT, THAT MAY BE SUFFICIENT.HOWEVER, IF THERE ARE OTHER DEFICIENCIES IN THE APPLICATION, IT MAY BE WORTHWHILE FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD TO IDENTIFY THOSE DEFICIENCIES.
I CAN CONTINUE ON WITH NO SUMMATE IF YOU LIKE.
PAGE 3.1 OF PROPORTION BUILDINGS IN ANY GIVEN DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ARE GENERALLY SIMILAR IN SCALES AND MASS AND PADE PROPORTIONS AND HAVE A STRONG VERTICAL ORIENTATION.
INFILL CONSTRUCTION SHOULD RESPECT THESE CHARACTERISTICS.
I READ, I READ THE ONE ABOUT TIGHT WEAVE, HAVING TRADITIONALLY TWO STORIES OF HEIGHT.
UM, PAGE THREE DASH TWO FORM RHYTHM REFER TO THE REGULAR OR HARMONIOUS RECURRENCE OF LINE SHAPES AND FORMS AND ROOF FORMING PITCH AND THE RATIO OF SOLIDS TO VOIDS.
AND THE WALL PLANE, THERE'S STILL A PRETTY BIG WALL BLANK WALL ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON FRONT STREET.
AND THE ONLY CONCESSION TO THAT WAS WE'LL PUT A TREE THERE.
WELL, I DON'T THINK IN OTHER CASES WHERE WE'VE HAD SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT WITHIN THE GUIDELINES, WE DECIDED WE COULD PUT A TREE IN FRONT OF IT TO HIDE.
SO, UM, THEN I MENTIONED THE, THE DRAWING FOR MASS.
UM, 3.1 0.2 SAYS, AVOID LARGE EXPANSES OF BLANK WALLS.
AND PAGE THREE DASH SIX INFILL EVALUATE THE CONTEXT AND SENSITIVITY OF THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND SHAPE INFILL CONSTRUCTION POSITIVELY IMPACT THE OVERALL DISTRICT.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOME ADDITIONAL POINTS THAT ARE IN THE GUIDELINES.
DO WE HAVE OTHER COMMENTS TO, UH, CONTRIBUTE ON THAT OR TO CONTINUE ON THAT LINE OF THOUGHT? I THINK THAT'S SUFFICIENT.
DO WE HAVE ANY THOUGHT THAT IS CONTRARY TO THAT LINE? OKAY.
SO THEN I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION ROLL ONE DOWN.
UH, I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF 1 0 4 JOHNSON STREET TO BE IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BURNS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTION 15 4 11 TO 4 29 AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT TWO THREE GUIDELINES FOR DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
DO I NEED TO EXPAND WHAT'S IN THERE OR NOT? I THINK YOU CAN JUST REFERENCE NUMBERS.
3.1 DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.2.
FURTHER DESIGN PRINCIPLES, BLANK WALLS, 3.4 0.1, INFILL CONSTRUCTION AND FINDINGS OF FACT.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS IN THE PRIMARY, SECONDARY, AND TERTIARY ABCS.
THE PROJECT IS INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
THE PRO PROPOSED PROJECT DESIGN DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND THE PROJECT IS IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND SO I THINK THAT BEING A DENIAL, UH, ENDS OUR DELIBERATION ON THIS MATTER AND MATT WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE AND WE'LL WORK A PATH FORWARD FROM THERE.
AND MR. CHAIR, JUST SO THAT ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ARE AWARE, YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE INDICATE THAT NO DEMOLITION CAN TAKE PLACE UNLESS AND UNTIL A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED.
COUNSELOR, I I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT SAYS THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT SAYS, IT SAYS MAY.
UH, I'M TALKING ABOUT YOUR, YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE ON PAGE 18 OF 24.
THAT UNDER GENERAL PRINCIPLES, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST PARAGRAPH ON THE GENERAL PRINCIPLES, IT INDICATES NO DEMOLITION CAN TAKE PLACE UNLESS AND UNTIL A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED.
YOUR GUIDELINES ALLOW YOU TO DELAY, UM, DEMOLITION UNTIL DEVELOPMENT PERMITS ARE APPROVED AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.
WELL, THERE IS AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE, WHICH, WHICH WAS THE BASIS OF MY CONDITION.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON.
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YES.SO YOU DO NOT NEED A, A MOTION FOR A COA THAT IS CURRENTLY HAPPEN LATER? THAT IS CORRECT.
WHO WAS THE SEC? WAIT, GREG, WERE YOU THE SECOND? I DID THINK IT WAS MIKE.
SO, UH, ITEM C 1 0 4 JOHNSON, I'M, I'M SORRY, BEFORE WE GO ON, JUST COUNSELOR, WHAT WAS, UH, I, I'M LOOKING AT THE GUIDELINES, BUT WHAT SHE'S, WHICH POLICY OR WHICH PROCEDURE WERE YOU LOOKING AT? THE, I'M REFERENCING THE HPC RULES OF PROCEDURES.
WHICH IS NOT, IT'S A SEPARATE DOCUMENT FROM THE GUIDELINES.
YEAH, I, BUT I DIDN'T GET THE NUMBER ON IT.
IF YOU REFERENCE PAGE 18 OF 24, THERE IS A SUBSECTION THERE CALLED GENERAL PRINCIPLES.
AND I WAS REFERENCING THE LAST PARAGRAPH.
I JUST, I WAS TRYING TO CATCH IT AND I DIDN'T.
AND REMEMBER, A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT A STRUCTURE HAS TO BE BUILT.
'CAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE ENCOUNTERED THIS BEFORE.
A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN MIGHT BE, I'M GOING TO SCRAPE A LOT AND THEN LEVEL IT AND PLAN GRASS.
THAT BE THE ELEMENT PLAN APPLICATION.
BUT THAT WASN'T THE APPLICATION, CORRECT? YEAH.
COUNSELOR ALSO THOUGH, DOESN'T THAT, ISN'T THAT FOR A, A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE? UH, NO, SIR, DOESN'T, DOESN'T MATTER.
FOR UNDER GENERAL PRINCIPLES, IT SAYS TWO NECESSARY BEFORE AN OWNER CAN DEMOLISH A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
AND IT, IT IDENTIFIES THOSE TWO CONDITIONS.
THE SUBSEQUENT PARAGRAPHS ARE NOT TIED TO ANY REFERENCE OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
I I YOU YOU'RE THINKING THAT IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS LATER.
YEAH, BUT I, I, I DON'T, OKAY, I'LL I'LL MARK THAT.
YES, THOSE, THOSE ARE QUESTION.
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SO OUR NEXT PROJECT IS 7 0 1 EAST FRONT STREET FOR, UH, MOHAMMAD RAPHA AND, UH, SAD HASSAN.AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE THE SAME.
UH, AND THEY'VE PROVIDED SOME BASIC, UM, DESCRIPTION OF THE WORK, UH, WHICH IS TO ELEVATE THE HOME AND THE, UH, BIT OF A MECHANICAL SYSTEM.
AND THEY REFERENCE VARIOUS SECTIONS OF THE GUIDELINES.
AND THEY PROVIDED, UM, SOME DESCRIPTION OF THE MATERIALS, WHICH ARE ALSO DESCRIBED IN DETAIL LATER.
UH, AND THEY HAVE SIGNED AND DATED THAT APPLICATION.
UH, HERE IS THE, UH, REFERENCE, UH, CONTACT AERIAL VIEW HERE.
CAN SEE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED WITH THE BLUE BOX.
AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THERE IS VERY LITTLE, UM, UH, AREA AROUND THE BUILDING, ALTHOUGH I HAVE TO SAY THIS, UH, GIS MAP, UM, DOES HAVE THE BOX SHIFTED A BIT TO THE NORTH.
SORRY, MATT, IF I CAN INTERRUPT.
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT TONIGHT? YES.
DO WE HAVE THE FORM THAT AUTHORIZES THE REPRESENTATIVE TO REPRESENT THE APPLICANT? OH, YOU ARE THE APPLICANT.
UH, SO THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE HOUSE FROM THE FRONT AND THEN ALSO AN IDEA OF THE STREET SCAPE IN WHICH IT IS PLACED, UH, AT LEAST THE IMMEDIATE STREET SCAPE, UH, AND A MORE FRONTAL VIEW HERE.
UM, AND THEN A CLOSER UP VIEW OF THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
YOU ALSO SEE SOME OF THE SIDEWALK AND ALSO THE PROXIMITY OF THE BOTTOM OF THE STEPS TO THE SIDEWALK THAT WILL BECOME AN ISSUE.
AND THEN, UM, CONTEXT WITH THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE, UH, TO, UH, THE HOUSE TO THE NORTH, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, ELEVATING THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE.
IS THIS THE, UH, APPLICANT'S PHOTO? YES, THE APPLICANT'S ALSO HAVE THEIR OWN PHOTOS.
THIS ONE ACTUALLY BETTER VIEW OF THE FRONT STEPS.
AND THEN FROM THE TOP OF THE STEPS LOOKING DOWN, UM, IT MAY BE A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT MAYBE NOT THE, UM, THE BRICKS WITH THE DARKER JOINTS IN THEM ARE ACTUALLY FLAT AND CO-PLANNER WITH THE SIDEWALK, WHEREAS THE OTHER ONES, WHICH ARE ACTUALLY ALL FACING, UH, TOWARDS THE STREET OR ORIENTED TOWARDS THE STREET, THOSE ARE ALL THE, THE TREADS FOR THE STEPS.
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THIS THEN IS THE REAR STAIRWAY, WHICH WILL ALSO BE AFFECTED BY THE ELEVATION.UH, THIS CROSSHATCHED AREA IN THE FRONT IS THERE, IS THERE A DRIVEWAY? AND SO THE STAIRWAY NOTICE HAS A BRICK PLATFORM HERE.
AND THEN THE WOODEN STEPS THAT GO UP, WE'LL GET ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH HERE IN A SECOND, BUT THERE IS ALSO AT THE BOTTOM OF IT, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STAIRS HERE, AND NEXT TO THE PLATFORM IS A BRICK WALL.
AND JUST TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL.
SO, UM, ANOTHER PAIR OF VIEWS OF THE, UM, PLATFORM LANDING AT THE BOTTOM, SORRY.
AND ALSO TO NOTE THAT THESE STA THE LANDING THEN HAS STAIRS THAT GO OFF TO THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL TO THEIR BACKYARD.
AND THEN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, UH, LOOKING, UM, UP THE STEPS SO YOU GET SOME IDEA OF THE, THE SCALE AND DETAILS OF THAT.
UM, THIS IS AN, UH, AN ELEVATION CERTIFICATE OF THE EXISTING CONDITION.
SO, UM, IT SHOWS, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS CIRCLED HERE TO SHOW THERE CURRENTLY NO, UH, FLOOD OPENINGS IN THE BUILDING.
UH, AND ALSO THE CURRENT, UH, FIRST FLOOR LIVING, FIRST LIVING FLOOR LEVEL IS NINE POINT FEET, FIVE FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
UH, AND THE, UH, BASE FLOOD ELEVATION IS NINE FEET.
AND THEN WITH THE OBLIGATORY THREE FEET, UH, THE TWO PLUS ONE, UH, IT BRINGS US UP TO 12.5 FEET.
UM, UH, I'M SORRY, SORRY, 12 FEET, UH, AS THE REQUIRED HEIGHT FOR ANY ELEVATION.
UH, SO THE LOW AND THE LOWEST ELEVATION FOR THE HVAC UH, STUFF IS CURRENTLY AT H 0.6, 8.6 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
AND THE HIGHEST, UH, GRADE AROUND THE BUILDING IS 5.9 AND THE LOWEST IS 4.8.
SO SOMEWHERE IN THE FIVE TO SIX FOOT RANGE IS THE ADJACENT GRADE, AND THEY'LL BE GOING UP TO, UM, 12 FEET.
SO WE HAVE ABOUT SIX FEET OF FOUNDATION.
AND SO THESE ARE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE ELEVATION CERTIFICATE.
WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THOSE, BUT THAT'S JUST PART OF THE DOCUMENT.
OTHER THAN THIS DOES SHOW, UM, I THINK THE ONE IMAGE WE HAVE OF THE ACTUAL, UM, HVAC UNIT ON A PLATFORM.
AND THEN THE DUCT WORK, WHICH GOES THROUGH THE PLATFORM AND UNDERNEATH, UH, INTO THE CRAWLSPACE, THE CURRENT CRAWLSPACE OF THE HOUSE AND SOME OF THOSE, UH, ELEVATIONS.
SO, SO NOW THIS IS THE PROPOSED, UM, ELEVATION CERTIFICATE.
SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ADD NINE, UH, FLOOD OPENINGS.
AND THE PROPOSED, UH, FLOOR ELEVATION IS ON THIS ONE IS 13 FEET.
DIDN'T I JUST SAY IT HAD TO BE 12? YES.
SO, UM, I THINK WE'VE HAD, UM, THE APPLICANT INDICATE THAT THAT WILL BE CHANGED TO 12.
SO THE DRAWING SHOWED 12, UH, THE ELEVATION CERTIFICATE WILL BE CHANGED, UH, TO REFLECT THAT.
UM, AND THE LOWEST ELEVATION OF THE, UH, EQUIPMENT WILL ALSO BE THEN, UH, 11.
UH, AND THE GRADES ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THEY WERE BEFORE, BUT NOT EXACTLY RELEVANT.
SO, UH, AND THIS ALSO THEN ALSO INCLUDES PHOTOGRAPHS AGAIN.
AND NOW, SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED, UH, FOUNDATION PLAN.
I'M SORRY, THIS IS THE EXISTING, THIS IS THE EXISTING ONE, CORRECT.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S PEPPERED WITH, UH, PIERS THROUGHOUT, BUT AROUND THE PERIMETER AS WELL.
AND IT ALREADY INCLUDES THE, UM, THE BUMPED OUT PILE LASTERS.
BUT THE OTHER THING TO NOTE IS THAT, UH, THE ACTUAL PERIMETER OF THE FOUNDATION, IT DOES GO AROUND THE FRONT PORCH AS WELL.
AND THE FRONT WALL IS ACTUALLY JUST, UH, A WALL THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE, UH, FLOOR PLATE.
ALRIGHT, UH, ANYTHING ELSE THERE? SO THE NEW FOUNDATION PLAN IS THIS, WHICH IS USING, SINCE THEY ARE PROPOSING TO ELEVATE THE HOUSE, UM, ON TOP OF THE EXISTING FOUNDATION, THE EXISTING FOUNDATION STAYS IN PLACE, BUT THEY'RE AUGMENTING IT AS WELL, UM,
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FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.BUT, UM, ONE OF WHICH IS STRUCTURAL.
AND SO THEY'RE ADDING A FEW MORE PIERS, UM, PARTICULARLY THESE FOUR HERE AND THESE FOUR HERE.
AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO ADDING A, UM, A CONCRETE, UM, RING AROUND THE PERIMETER PIERS TO, UH, AND REINFORCE THEM AND THEIR STABILITY AS THE WALL, AS THE FOUNDATION WALLS GET LARGER AND, UM, TO HELP RESIST WEIGHT, ANY POTENTIAL WAVES OR WATER ACTION.
AND UH, THIS ALSO REFERENCES VARIOUS, UH, SECTIONS THROUGH THE WALLS.
I THINK WE DISCUSSED THESE IN THE MEETING.
MAYBE I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS AS MUCH AS I DID IN THE PREVIOUS ONE WITH A ROOM FULL OF UNFAMILIAR PEOPLE.
SO, UM, HERE THE MAIN THING IS THAT THE, UH, STRUCTURAL SECTION DOES SHOW 12 FEET UP HERE.
UH, IF, CAN YOU GUYS ALL SEE THAT IT SAYS 12 FEET? OKAY.
SO, UM, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT 12 FOOT MEASUREMENT IS REALLY TO THE TOP OF THE FLOOR.
UM, AND HERE IT'S MAX, EXCUSE ME.
DOES IT SAY MEN OR MAX? SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T IT SAY MAX.
YEAH, IT, IT WOULD BE, UH, MAXIMUM ALSO.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO THEN FOR THE VARIOUS DESIGNS, THIS IS THE EXISTING, UH, PLAN VIEW OF THE FRONT STEPS.
AS WE ELEVATE ALL THESE THINGS, WE HAVE TO ADD MORE STEPS.
SO THIS IS EXISTING AND THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED THAT BASICALLY WE'LL BE FILLING OUT TO THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK WITH THE, UM, REQUIRED NUMBER OF STEPS AND, UH, EXTENDING, BASICALLY REMOVING THE EXISTING STEPS AND RECONSTRUCTING A SIMILAR SET OF STEPS WITH, UH, NEW MATERIALS OR, UM, REUSING AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING AS POSSIBLE.
SO THE SIDE VIEW OF THE EXISTING STEPS IS LIKE THIS, AND THEN THE NEW ONE WILL BE THIS.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY'RE ALSO, UM, ADDING SOME RAILING, SOME IRON HAND RAILING.
IT WILL NOT BE TO CODE BECAUSE CODE HAS THE SPACES TOO WIDE.
THE SPACING NEEDS TO BE THREE INCHES MAXIMUM BETWEEN EACH OF THE PIECES.
UM, UH, AND THEN THAT IS A FRONT VIEW OF IT.
AND SO WHAT THE FRONT VIEW IS NOW ALSO SHOWING IS THE ELEVATION, IS THE, UM, THE INCREASE IN THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT ON THE LEFT.
AND THEY'RE ALSO ADDING THESE FOUR OPENINGS, THIS, UM, UH, LATTICE OR PATTERN IN THE EXISTING BRICK IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE FLOOD OPENINGS.
ALRIGHT, UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE HAVE.
THEN FOR THE REAR, THIS IS THE EXISTING, UH, REAR, UH, STAIRWAY WITH, UH, THREE, THREE TREADS AND TWO TREADS GOING OUT IN EITHER DIRECTION.
THERE'S A LITTLE PLANTER HERE, THE BRICK WALL IS ON THE LEFT.
UH, AND THAT WOULD GO TO THE PROPOSED PLAN.
UM, SO WE'RE ADDING ABOUT FOUR FEET, DID I SAY FOUR FEET OF, UM, THREE, THREE TO FOUR FEET OF, UH, HEIGHT TO THE, UH, STRUCTURE.
SO, UM, ALL THE ADDITIONAL STEPS ARE SHOWN HERE, UH, COMING DOWN INTO THE DRIVEWAY AS WELL AS INTO THE BACKYARD.
UH, AND WE'LL SEE THAT IN A SECOND.
UH, SOME OF THE DETAILS, SO PREVIOUSLY IT WAS BRICK, UM, NOW ARE YOU PROPOSING, UH, CONCRETE NOW FOR THE NEW LANDING? RIGHT? JUST LIKE IT IS NON LANDING.
STILL BE CONCRETE WITH THE BRICK ON TOP, RIGHT? OH, OKAY.
WERE YOU SWORN IN WHEN, WHEN YOU GOT HERE? I WAS RAFAEL HUSSON.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BECAUSE SHE'LL LIKE, HEY, WHO ARE YOU? WHERE'D YOU LIVE? ALL RIGHT, PERFECT.
UH, SORRY ABOUT ALL THESE EXTRA LITTLE QUESTIONS.
UH, THEN, UM, SO THAT'S THE WAY, THE SIDE OF, THE WAY THE ELEVATION OF THE REAR STEP IS NOW REAR STEPS.
UH, AND THE NEW ONE WILL BE LIKE THIS.
SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE, UH, THE LANDING.
THE LANDING WILL NOW BE MUCH HIGHER THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
UH, AND SO A NEW MATERIAL POTENTIALLY.
UH, SO AT THE SAME TIME, UH, WE'LL SEE HERE
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THAT THE SIDE OF THE, UH, STAIR OR UNDERNEATH THE REAR PORCH ACTUALLY, OR STOOP, UH, IS GOING TO BE ENCLOSED WITH THESE LOUVERS.IS IT LOUVERS OR JUST SLATS? THEY WERE, THEY WERE LOUVERS.
THE CURRENT ONES WERE LOUVERS WERE JUST TAKING THE SAME DESIGN AS PUSHING SAME HEIGHT.
THEY WERE MOVE UP OR JUST MAKING IT YEAH.
AND SO OTHERWISE, UH, AND YOUR WALL ALONG THE BACK, UH, IS GETTING TALLER, I BELIEVE.
NO, THE WALL SHOULD STAY THE SAME.
THE WALL STAYS, CORRECT? WELL, IT'S FROM 74 GOING UP TO 96 INCHES.
JUST LIKE THE ELEVATION CERTIFICATE.
WELL, OKAY, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT THOUGH, BECAUSE I THINK ONCE THE, YEAH, THE, THE, THE PLAN WASN'T TO INCREASE THE WALL BECAUSE OF THE PIER THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY REFLECTING THE PIER, BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE RAISED THAT UP.
SO I THINK THAT'S JUST A TYPO FROM THE DRAWINGS THERE.
THIS IS THEN WHAT A THEORETICAL
IF YOU REMOVE THAT WALL, UM, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, UH, THE RAILING GOING IN TWO DIRECTIONS AND THEN THE, UH, WOODEN STEPS GOING UP TO THE UPPER FLOOR.
NOW THAT SHOULD BE THE SAME NUMBER OF RISERS, SIX RISERS, CORRECT? IT SHOULD BE FOUR THINKING THE CURRENT TIME.
SO EITHER OF THOSE GET LARGER AND FEWER OR YOU GET LESS OF THEM AND MOVE YOUR UM, UH, LANDING HIGHER.
SO THEN WE HAVE AN OVERALL VIEW FROM THE, UH, ALONG THE DRIVEWAY SIDE.
SO THE FRONT IS ON THE RIGHT AND THE BACK IS ON THE LEFT.
AND SO YOU ALSO SEE THAT WHEN, UH, THE CURRENT ELEVATION IS LIKE THIS WITH, THEY ALREADY HAVE, THEY ALREADY HAVE THOSE HOLES IN THERE.
SO, SO IF I COULD, YES, THE, THE, UH, THE ELEVATION CERTIFICATE SAID 13 SHOULD HAVE BEEN 12, OBVIOUSLY A TOPOGRAPHIC ERROR AND THE FIRST ELEVATION CERTIFICATE SAID NONE.
THEN WE HIGHLIGHTED IT, WHICH IS AWESOME.
BUT IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS YOU'LL SEE WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE FLOOD VENTS IN THERE BECAUSE WE BUILT IT THE FIRST TIME YOU ANTICIPATE THE FLOOD.
AND THANK GOD THEY WERE THERE, UH, SIX, FIVE YEARS AGO.
NOW WHEN IT GOT DEMOLISHED AGAIN, THOSE HELP KEEP THE FLOOD WATERS FLOWING OUTTA THE HOUSE LIKE THEY SHOULD.
SO, UM, YOU'RE GONNA BE RETAINING AT LEAST THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE IN THERE.
AND THIS GIVES YOU AN OVERALL VIEW OF THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, AND THEN ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, UH, SAME KIND OF SITUATION WITH THE EXISTING CONDITION AND THE EXISTING ACCESS DOOR THERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING HVAC UNIT ON THE PLATFORM THERE.
AND NOW THE NEW, UH, CONDITION WILL BE THIS HERE.
I THINK NO QUESTIONS OR POINTS TO MAKE THERE.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, THIS IS OUR, UH, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS FORM.
THE ZONING OFFICIAL HAS DETERMINED IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE AND A ZONING PERMIT APPLICATION IS REQUIRED.
UM, AND, UH, THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAID BUILDING AND FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMITS ARE REQUIRED.
SO WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, I'M READY WITH MY STAFF REPORT.
AND SO I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
THE ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HAS WAIVED ME OFF, SO I THINK WE'VE SATISFIED THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, UH, MR. RAFA, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT MATT DID NOT COVER THAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO KNOW? I'LL JUST SAY THIS, THAT WE SAVED THIS HOUSE BACK IN 2004, MOVED IT FROM OVER HERE, SO I THINK SOME OF THE FOLKS MIGHT HAVE BEEN AROUND HERE.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT STICKS AROUND AS PART OF NEWBURN AS A HUGH LUCUS HOUSE.
AND I'LL ADD THAT IT WAS CUT IN HALF TO MOVE IT.
ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT, MAYBE WE COULD GET SOME QUICK STAFF COMMENTS.
THE STAFF REPORT IS FOR, UH, MOHAMMED RAPHA, HASSAN AND SADAF KA KAPI HASSAN, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
UH, 7 0 1 EAST FRONT STREET, UH, AND THE PROJECT SAME AS PROJECT ADDRESS AND THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME AND DATE IS THE HUGH LUBBOCK HOUSE BUILT IN 1898 AND MOVED IN 2003.
SO MATTHEW, I WOULD JUST MAKE SURE FOR THE RECORD THAT THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS HUGH LUBBOCK HUSEN HOUSE.
AND THEN, UH, THE STATUS IS THAT IT'S A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FOR THIS TWO TH FROM 2003,
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UM, GIVES YOU THE BASIC DE UH, DESCRIPTION, UM, WHICH IS UNRELATED TO ELEVATING THE STRUCTURE.UM, AND THEN SAND BECK DESCRIPTION, I DID PULL OUT THIS LITTLE BIT HERE.
THIS CHARMING MANSARD ROOF COTTAGE WAS BUILT IN 1898 FOR HUGE A LUBBOCK, ACCORDING TO DEED RECORDS AND SANBORN INSURANCE MAPS STATING TO 1888, THE HOUSE INCORPORATES WITHIN ITS PRESENT WALLS AND EARLIER L-SHAPED ANN EARLIER L-SHAPED DWELLING, WHICH HAD STOOD ON THE SITE.
THIS IS FROM WHEN IT WAS BACK AT THE OLD SITE, UH, THE CIRCA 1882 GRAYS MAP AND VARIOUS LEASE AGREEMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY REFERRED TO THE EARLIER STRUCTURE AS A SCHOOL.
UH, LUBBOCK SOON EMERGED AS ONE OF NEW BERN'S EARLIEST PROMOTERS OF MOTION PICTURES AT THE NORTH.
UH, NOW SOUTH END OF THE FIVE BAY FACADE IS A PROJECTING THREE-SIDED BAY SOUTH, NO EAST, SORRY, THE, OH NO, THE SOUTH END OF THE FACADE IS A PROJECTING THREE-SIDED BAY, A FEATURE WHICH STILL SURVIVES FROM THE EARLIER STRUCTURE ACCORDING TO THE SANBORN MAPS.
THE PRESENT, CLASSICALLY DETAILED FRONT PORCH WAS ADDED BETWEEN 1908 AND 1913, UM, FOR 7 0 8 EAST FRONT STREET.
THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE THE ELEVATION OF AN EXISTING TWO STORY STRUCTURE ON TOP OF THE EXISTING FOUNDATION WITH REVISIONS TO THE FRONT AND REAR STAIRS.
AND THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, A K GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES 2.31 AND TWO FOR LANDSCAPING 2.43 FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 AND FOUR FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.21 AND TWO FOR FOUNDATIONS.
4.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX FOR ENTRANCES, 4.1 AND TWO FOR MASONRY.
5.1, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE FOR WOOD, 5.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR METALS.
AND FOR PAINT, 5.4 0.1, 2, 3, 4, AND SIX.
THE STATEMENTS ARE REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT.
R ONE, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN A TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE PRIMARY, SECONDARY, AND TERTIARY ABCS.
THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
ELEVATING THE STRUCTURE HELPS PROTECT IT FROM FUTURE DAMAGE AND POTENTIAL DESTRUCTION OR DEMOLITION.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND SEVEN, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
THAT'S THE END OF MY, OUR REPORT.
UH, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? WELL, I THINK, I THINK FROM A BIG PICTURE STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A UNIQUE STRUCTURE ARCHITECTURALLY, UH, FOR, FOR DOWNTOWN NEWBURN.
UH, IT CERTAINLY HAS AN INTERESTING HISTORY ON HOW IT WAS, HOW IT WAS CUT IN HALF AND MOVED.
UM, UH, THE OWNER IS TAKING, UH, THE INITIATIVE AND MAKING THE INVESTMENT TO PROTECT THE STRUCTURE FROM FUTURE FLOODING.
AND I THINK THE APPROACH IS A KIND AND GENTLE EFFORT TO, TO RAISE THE STRUCTURE.
IN OTHER WORDS, JACK IT UP
WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE MOVED THE HOUSE, WE HAD, UH, COLLINS MOVING.
DID IT JUST FOR SAKE OF REFERENCE, COLLINS MOVING AND UH, WHEN YOU MOVE THE HOUSE YOU THINK, OH, IT'S TRADITIONAL FOUNDATION.
MAYBE IT'S A POURED WALL OR SOMETHING.
BUT IT WAS ALL THAT OLD BRICK.
SO I WAS DEPLOYED IN THE MARINES DURING THE TIMES.
MY WIFE AND FAMILY TOOK TRAILER LOADS OF BRICK FROM MIDDLE STREET AND THAT'S WHO WE USED TO DO THE INFILL OF THAT PROCESS THERE.
AND THEN JUST ONE OF THE LITTLE TIDBIT WHEN WE RAISE IT, MR. THOMPSON, MR. COLLINS GRANDSON IS GONNA RAISE THE HOUSE.
SO WE'RE GONNA KEEPING ALL THIS TOGETHER SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN KEEP THE HISTORY ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY GOING.
AS FAR AS CHANGES OR CLARIFICATIONS, WE DID ONLY HAVE TWO THAT I KNOW OF HIS 12 FOOT MAXIMUM.
AND SECOND WAS THE WALL AT THE BACK IS 74 INCHES, NOT 96.
YEAH, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I THINK THAT WAS JUST A TYPO, BUT I'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT STUFF TO YOU GUYS AFTER, BUT IT'S NOT CHANGING.
AND JIM, I THINK THE THIRD WAS THERE WAS A PROPOSED FLOOD ELEVATION CERTIFICATE THAT HAD THE WRONG, RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND I, I ACTUALLY DID HAVE A FOURTH ONE, WHICH WAS THEN JUST TO, UM, ADJUST YOUR DRAWINGS FOR THE CORRECT LOCATION OF THE, UM, LANDING OF THE BACK STEPS.
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OKAY.SO SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS, BUT WHILE YOU ARE FORMULATING YOUR QUESTIONS OR YOUR NEXT ACTION, UM, I SUGGEST WE HAVE A, UH, CONDITION THAT COVERS THE THREE THINGS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
UM, CORRECTING THE PROPOSED, UH, FLOOD ELEVATION CERTIFICATE, UM, CONFIRMING THE CORRECT HEIGHT OF THE MASONRY WALL, IT APPEARS ON THE END OF THE STEPS.
AND THEN CONFIRMING THE ACCURACY OF RISERS AND TREADS AND THE DRAWINGS AND THE WALL HEIGHT AT THE REAR.
IT JUST ONE WALL THAT IS IN QUESTION 74 9 6.
SO WITH THAT SAID, ARE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? YES.
COULD WE HAVE A MOTION? DO HONOR
CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTION 15 4 11 TO 15,429 AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UTILITIES 2.3 1, 2, 1 AND TWO, LANDSCAPING 2.43, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 AND FOUR, MODIFICATIONS, 3.1 AND TWO FOUNDATIONS, 4.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.1 AND TWO MASONRY, 5.1 1 2, 3, 4, 5, WOOD, 5.2 0.1 AND TWO METALS, 5.3 0.1 AND THREE AND FOUR, PAINT.
FINDINGS OF FACT, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
PROJECT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE PRIMARY, SECONDARY, AND TERTIARY ABCS.
THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
ELEVATING THIS STRUCTURE HELPS PROTECT IT FROM FUTURE DAMAGE AND POTENTIAL DESTRUCTION OR DEMOLITION.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, ALSO STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
THE REVISED PLANS AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHOULD BE INCORPORATED IN YOUR DRAWINGS AND SHOULD INCLUDE THE EXTERIOR REAR WALL WILL REMAIN AT THE CURRENT HEIGHT OF APPROXIMATELY 74 INCHES.
THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE FIRST FLOOR, LOWER PART OF THE FIRST FLOOR IS 12 FEET.
YOU'LL PROVIDE A REVISED ELEVATION CERTIFICATE FOR THE PROPOSED LOCATION AND A REVISED FRONT STEP DRAWING, SHOWING THE SIDE VIEW AND, AND, AND TREADS.
OKAY, I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND AND WE'VE GOT A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE? SO MOTION.
I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
WE WANT TO ALSO, UM, TAKE A VOTE ON THE, UM, WRITTEN DECISION.
AND, UM, WRITTEN DECISIONS WE'VE MADE ALTERNATIONS, DIDN'T WE? THAT'S THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS ON YOUR DESK.
THE, THE OBSERVATION WAS THAT THE CONDITIONS, UM, WELL THIS SAYS REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHOULD BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, THE HBC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES, PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION, IT SHOULD SERVE THE PURPOSE.
IS THAT AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT YOU, WHAT THE MOTION WAS? YES, IT WAS SPECIFICATIONS.
SO WE'LL UH, REVISE IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
YEAH, I THINK THE MOTION WENT ON BEYOND THAT.
SO RAS, SO YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BUSINESS WITH MATT TOO EASY.
YOU WANT ME TO DO IT BEFORE I HEAD BACK TO VIRGINIA OR DO IT DURING THE WEEK? YEAH.
YOU CAN DO IT WHENEVER YOU WANT.
YOU WON'T SET YOU SEAL AWAY UNTIL YOU DO
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TELL TELL ME, I HAVE ONE QUESTION I COULD ON THE ELEVATION CERTIFICATE.THAT ELEVATION CERTIFICATE'S DUE ONCE WE GET IT UP.
UH, AND I NEED TO CHECK WITH, WITH YOU GUYS IS BECAUSE I, I TALKED TO MATT CITY INSPECTOR ABOUT THAT ELEVATION CERTIFICATE BEING MORE THAN A, IT'S PROBABLY A TYPO VERSUS I'M GOING TO 13 FEET WOULD NEVER DO THAT.
LAW ABIDING CITIZEN IF YOU WILL, BUT THE CURRENT ELEVATION CERTIFICATE IS GOOD.
WE'RE GOING UP AND I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE ONCE THAT'S BEEN ELEVATED.
THIS, I DID THIS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE WERE WHERE I WAS AT.
SO I, I THINK YOUR CHOICE, YOU ARE CORRECT, BUT IT'S PART OF YOUR APPLICATION.
AND SO EITHER WITHDRAW THE PROPOSED 'CAUSE IT'S MEANINGLESS.
THEN IF I SAY JUST GET RID OF THAT AND, AND GET RID AT THE END OF THE DAY, I IMAGINE INSPECTIONS WILL HAVE YOU PREPARE ONE TO VERIFY THAT YOU ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M ON SANCTION.
THIS IS, THIS IS GREAT AND, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THIS TAKES A LOT OF TIME, BUT I THINK THESE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS AND Y'ALL DOING GREAT WORK.
I THINK WE'VE ARRIVED AT OLD BUSINESS AND I'M NOT UNAWARE OF ANY.
UH, WHAT'S PAGE DOWN HERE AND OR LOOK AT THE HARD COPY? UM, WE HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS.
ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT?
UH, I'M UNAWARE OF ANY NEW BUSINESS WE MIGHT HAVE.
[8. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT A. REPORT ON MAJOR COAS DENIED – None B. REPORT ON MAJOR COAS, EXTENSIONS, AMENDMENTS, and CONDITION APPROVALS ISSUED: (June 6 – August 8 = 2 months) 506 Craven St. – amendment to use a different door for the rear door 818 Broad St. – new vending shelter C. REPORT ON MINOR COAS ISSUED: (June 6 – August 8 = 2 months) 110 Middle St. (Skysail) – rooftop mechanical unit 201 Johnson St. – cover hidden gutters 214 S. Front St. – flood vents 216 Metcalf St. – 2 porch ceiling fans 216 Pollock St. – new rear decks, fencing, gates, driveway 309 Johnson St. – tree replacement, fencing, repoint and cover chimneys 309 Middle St. – awning 313 Avenue A – after-the-fact: roofing replacement, parking area, reinstall original front door, rear door replacement, front balusters, rear handrail, exterior lighting, skirt board, place mechanical units on platforms, exterior water heater, rear stoop and steps, storm windows, rear walkway, and patio 400 E. Front St. – public fishing pier 401 S. Front St. (closed Wells Fargo) – new meter base at ATM 417 Broad St. – mini-split 502 Pollock St. – replacement sign 505 Metcalf St. – trellis 509 Pollock St. – replacement treads, decking, handrails 605 Pollock St. – 3 tree removals, 1 replacement 610 Metcalf St. – driveway, fencing, and tree replacements 615 New St. - fencing 628 Hancock St. – small metal shed and hedges 802 Pollock St. – exterior water heater, then amended to add hvac unit 818 Queen St. – antenna and minor equipment upgrades on the water tower 901-B Pollock St. – metal windows in previous openings 1203 National Ave. – rear patio216 Metcalf St. – 2 porch ceiling fans About 4 pending D. OTHER ITEMS AND UPDATES BY THE ADMINISTRATOR]
IN YOUR HPC ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT THAT, UH, YOU NEED TO ELABORATE ON THIS EVENING? UH, JUST TO POINT OUT THAT THE, UH, THE ENUMERATED PROJECTS ARE FOR A TWO MONTH TIME PERIOD BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE THIS MEETING LAST MONTH.SO DO WE NOTED MAY LOOK DIFFERENT OTHERWISE.
AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, ITEM C REPORTS ON MINORS OR B FOR THAT MATTER, MINORS OR MAJORS, ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT? I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
I'M, UH, PREPARING SOME, UH, CERTIFICATES OF, UM, APPRECIATION FOR THE HPC MEMBERS WHO HAVE, UH, LEFT THE BOARD, UH, IN THE PAST TWO YEARS OR SO.
SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW OF THEM.
WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE DO THAT PUBLICLY AT THIS FORUM HERE? UM, EITHER AT THE BEGINNING OR END OF THE NEXT, UH, REGULAR MEETING OR WOULD YOU PREFER THAT THAT HAPPENED THEN? NOT SO PUBLICLY THOUGH.
UH, AT OUR DESIGN REVIEW MEETINGS, I THINK, UH, TRADITIONALLY THAT'S HAPPENED AT A PUBLIC MEETING.
AND YOUR CHOICE ON WHERE IT HAPPENS IN THE AGENDA.
I WAS JUST THINKING IT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED TO DO IT FIRST SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO STICK THROUGH THE MEETING.
MAYBE SIT THROUGH ALL, UM, TIMES ITEM NINE.
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ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? THANK YOU.DO WE INTRODUCE COMMISSIONER
DID NOT AT THE OFFICIAL HEARING FOR THE YEAH.
YEAH, I SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT.
SO THIS IS MIKE WEKA AND MIKE COMES FROM A, UH, UH, GOVERNMENT BACKGROUND.
AND MIKE, IF YOU WOULD, AS, AS I, UH, HAVE LEFT YOU OUT IN THE COLD, I OBVIOUSLY DID NOT PREPARE ANY STUDY UP ON YOUR RESUME.
GIVE US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUND.
UM, BUT YES, I, I DID HAVE A GOVERNMENT BACKGROUND IN, IN, UM, WHEN I WAS WORKING AS, AS A CITY MANAGER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND UTILITIES DIRECTOR.
UM, LIVED IN NEW BERN FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, WORKING ON AN OLD HOUSE ON JOHNSON STREET.
AND, UM, HOPEFULLY, UM, WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR ANOTHER, UM, APPLICATION IN THE, IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU AND, UH, I ENJOYED MEETING YOU AT DESIGN REVIEW AND UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE SEEING A LOT MORE OF EACH OTHER.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? MOTION TO ADJOURN PERHAPS
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SECOND.ALL RIGHT, WE, WE STAND ADJOURNED.