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[1. OPENING OF MEETING WITH ROLL CALL]
OF THE SEPTEMBER MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? YES, PLEASE.
HAVE DIRECT DEPOSIT AND, AND LEARN HOW TO WE'RE READY.
ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? UH, NONE ON MY END.
BEFORE WE GET INTO THE HEAVY DUTY NORMAL BUSINESS, WE HAVE
[3. PRESENTATION OF CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION]
KIND OF A FUN THING TO DO.WE HAVE, I AT LEAST ONE IS JOHN BLACKWELL HERE.
JOHN, WE HAVE TWO PREVIOUS MEMBERS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEND A MOMENT AND, AND HONOR THEM AND THANK THEM FOR THEIR PAST SERVICE.
AND WE HAVE A LITTLE MENT DOWN HERE IF YOU, Y'ALL WOULD COME DOWN.
NOW, JOHN, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE TOGETHER.
TO MEET, MEET, NICE TO MEET YOU.
YOU RIGHT ON TOP OF ANY QUESTION.
CAN I GET YOUR PHOTOS? LOOKS LIKE YOU HA.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA]
AGENDA, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE NO MINUTES, BUT, BUT WE DO HAVE TWO WRITTEN DECISIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.SO IT ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN THAT WE APPROVE, DO I SAY THE CONSENT AGENDA OR JUST THE WRITTEN OR THE CONSENT AGENDA? THIS CONCLUDES THE TWO SECOND MOVE.
WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
OKAY, SO THAT WAS ALL THIS PASS.
[5.A. HEARINGS: INTRODUCTION, SWEARING-IN, SUMMARY OF PROCESS]
OF INTRODUCTION.HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION'S, A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY A CITY OF NEW BERN'S, GOLD BOARD OF ALDERMAN'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES AND NEW'S.
TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF HPC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATION APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF THE HISTORIC, UH, STRUCTURES DUE TO NEGLECT.
WE HOLD A QUA QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING.
THIS IS ONE ON AN APPLICATION FOR THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS.
THE COMMISSION HEARS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.
THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SP SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONER SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINIONS, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES AND HEARSAY DURING THE MEETING.
THE COMMISSION'S DECISIONS ARE, ARE BASED ON THE APPLICATION AND TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT THE HEARING THAT THAT APPLIES DIRECTLY TO HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO PRESENT, UH, AND
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SPEAK TONIGHT.WOULD YOU COME UP FOR SWEARING IN? THAT'S OKAY.
DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
AND THEN IF YOU, OKAY, I AM GONNA DEPART A LITTLE BIT FROM THE AGENDA HERE BECAUSE OUR LAST, UM, BOARD MEMBER JUST ENTERED THE BUILDING.
THERE WERE, THERE WERE THREE OF US TO BE RECOGNIZED.
YOU HAVE TO COME UP FRONT, TONY.
TONY WAS NEVER LATE FOR A VEHICLE.
UH, AND TONY, SIR, YOU AND I SERVED TOGETHER FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR SERVICES AS DO ALL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
AND WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE COGNIZE YOUR CONTRIBUTION.
AND HE WANTS TO GET YOUR PICTURE.
HEY MATT, SINCE THE OTHER RECIPIENTS ARE STILL HERE, CAN WE GET A PICTURE WITH ALL THREE? YEAH.
OH, YOU GUYS MIND, JOHN, COME ON.
I I'M GOING TO SUMMARIZE THE, THE, UH, PROCESS THAT WE'LL BE USING.
THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF EACH APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE WILL, WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO PRESENT THE APPLICATION OR COMMENT ON IT.
PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.
REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO, WHO RECEIVE NOTICE.
OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION OR, OR WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.
HBC ADMINISTRATOR WILL PRESENT THE STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE APPLICANT OR RE OR REPRESENTATIVE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ANY FINAL COMMENTS ON THE APPLICATION.
COMMISSIONERS WILL DISCUSS THE EVIDENCE AND MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR PRESENTERS.
THE CHAIRMAN WILL CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION WITH STATED FINDINGS OF FACT THE MOTIONS DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSION.
AFTER DISCUSSION, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE MOTION BY THE COMMISSION.
COAS CAN BE APPROVED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED.
[5.B. 403 E. FRONT ST. (Sudan Shriners’ Temple)]
WE'LL START WITH, UM, UM, OKAY, 4 0 3 FRONT STREET.AND, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS BOTH OF THEIR, UH, COA APPLICATIONS ARE BEING, UH, REMOVED OR, OR, UH, TAKEN BACK.
SO, SO, UH, THE, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE ONE APPLICATION THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF ITS HEARING AND HAS BEEN CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS UH, MEETINGS.
AND SO THAT ONE, THAT APPLICATION THEY HAVE REQUESTED TO BE WITHDRAWN.
AND SO, AND DO WE NEED TO DO, DO A MOTION ON THAT? THERE IS NO NEED FOR A MOTION? NO.
THEY ARE FREE TO WITHDRAW THEIR APPLICATION AT ANY TIME.
UH, WE HAVE AN EMAIL FROM THE CITY, UH, FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO THAT EFFECT.
UH, AND THEN THE SECOND APPLICATION, THAT APPLICATION IS NOT, THE HEARING IS NOT YET STARTED ON THAT ONE.
AND SO THEY REQUESTED THAT, THAT BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE HPC AT ONE OF YOUR DESIGN REVIEW MEETINGS, UH, UH, BEFORE PROCEEDING TO A HEARING.
SO DOES THAT NEED A MOTION? UH, NO, THAT DOES NOT NEED A MOTION EITHER.
SINCE THE HEARING HASN'T STARTED, SO, OKAY.
AND, AND MR. CHAIR, I DON'T THINK THE SECOND APPLICATION IS ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, FROM THE AGENDA AT THEIR REQUEST AGAIN FROM THE COUNTY
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ATTORNEY.IS THERE A, IS THERE A TIME CERTAIN ON THAT? IS THERE A, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT? UH, THAT FIRST TO BE, UM, I KNOW THERE WAS A TIME CERTAIN A A, AN EXTENSION TILL SEPTEMBER ON THAT ONE.
SO THE FIRST APPLICATION DID HAVE, UH, A, UH, TIME CERTAIN, I GUESS YOU'RE CALLING IT, UH, UH, BUT ONCE THEY, UH, REQUESTED IT TO BE CONTINUED, THEN UH, IT CONTINUES AS LONG AS THEY REQUEST THE CONTINUANCES.
SO IT, IT, IT'S WITHDRAWN FROM THE PROCESS.
BUT THE COA, THE APPLICATION IS STILL, OR IS IT, IS IT JUST GONE ALTOGETHER? YEP.
SO, SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING PENDING ON THAT SITE.
SO NOW THE NEW ONE THAT GO, I THINK, I THINK YOUR STATEMENT WAS THERE'S NOTHING PENDING ON THE SITE.
WAS THAT YOUR QUESTION ON YES.
SO THERE IS A SECOND APPLICATION, UM, WHICH WAS SENT IN AND DISTRIBUTED TO YOU IN THE DROPBOX, RIGHT.
UH, ON THURSDAY, FRIDAY MORNING, SOMETHING.
AND SO THAT ONE IS STILL, IS NOW ACTIVE AS AN APPLICATION.
UM, THEY HAVE, BUT IT'LL GO TO THE DESIGN REVIEW.
AND SO THERE IS SIX MONTHS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, IS HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE TO ACT ON IT? ON THE NEW ONE? YES.
AND, AND, UH, THAT SIX MONTH PERIOD CAN BE EXTENDED, UH, AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT OR UPON AGREEMENT OF THE APPLICANT AFTER A REQUEST BY THE HPC.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
[Items 5.C. & 5.D.]
11 JOHNSON.I, I JUST TO SAY I INCLUDED IN THIS, UH, PRESENTATION, I'M GOING TO SCROLL THROUGH THE, UM, THE FIRST APPLICATION, UM, THE ESSENCE OF IT, THE SITE PLAN AND THE RENDERING.
SO NOW WE GO TO TWO 11 JOHNSON.
SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR TWO 11 JOHNSON STREET, UH, FOR DOUGLAS AND ELIZABETH TOWNSEND.
UH, AND THEIR AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE IS TESSA REGAN, AND SHE IS HERE TODAY.
UH, AND THIS IS THE REST OF THEIR APPLICATION SIGNED BY MS. REGAN.
AND HERE IS HER, UH, UM, OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION FORM SIGNED AND DATED AND NOTARIZED.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE ON JOHNSON STREET.
UH, AND A PARTICULAR NOTE IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE PHOTOGRAPH HERE.
UH, WE HAVE SOME SHRUBS, A, UM, PORCH, AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE CALLED A GRASS STRIP OR A VERGE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB.
UH, THOSE ARE, THAT'S THE AREA OF CONCERN TO TODAY, TODAY, CONCERN OF DISCUSSION OF DECISION TODAY.
AND SO, UH, UM, ZOOMING IN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE AREA, WE SEE THAT THE, UM, WE JUST SEE THE, UH, ELEMENTS A LITTLE BIT LARGER.
AND I'M ALSO GOING TO MAKE THE IMAGES LARGER TOO, REMEMBERING THAT OUR RESOLUTION IS VERY POOR IN THE VIDEO.
SO, UM, UH, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE AS WELL.
UM, SO JUST TO NOTE, BASICALLY, UH, THE ENTIRE VERGE IS, UM, PAVED WITH THESE RED, ALMOST TILE LIKE, UH, PAVERS.
AND THEN THE, UH, SHRUBS ARE, UH, TYPICAL BOX WOODS.
UH, AND WE MIGHT HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT OR NOT.
AND THEN TOWARDS THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED GAS LAMP, WHICH WE'LL SEE IN THE PLAN IN A MOMENT.
THESE ARE SOME SLIGHTLY BETTER PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE, UH, WELL, VERY BETTER, UM, MUCH BETTER PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE AREAS THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
AND SO WE CAN REFERENCE THESE IF WE WANT, UH, TO NOTE HERE IS, UH, WHERE THE, THE PAVERS CHANGED FROM, UH, SAY AN ORANGE OR RED TO A FLATTER RED, UM, THAT IS STILL WITHIN THE, UH, PROPERTY BOUNDARY OR AN EXTENSION OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY FOR THIS FOR TWO 11 JOHNSON.
UM, AND SO THIS IS NOW THE PLAN AND THE PROPERTY LINES, OH, I RID OF THIS
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OVER HERE.SO THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE LEFT WOULD EXTEND, UM, ALONG THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS IMAGE, UM, UH, RIGHT ALONG THE FACE OF A STREET TREE THAT'S THERE.
UH, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE, IT IS ESSENTIALLY ALONG THE, THE BACK FACE OF ONE OF THE GATE, UM, PIECE OF, UM, LEAVES OF THE GATE ON THE RIGHT.
SO EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE MOST BASIC THING IS REPLACING THE BOX WOODS WITH SOME LP ON HOLLYS.
AND THEN THE, UH, GAS LAMP IS LOCATED HERE NEXT TO THIS DOUBLE GATE, UH, AND THE SIDEWALK.
AND THEN THE PAVERS ARE, UM, TO BE, THE EXISTING ONES ARE TO BE REMOVED.
EVEN THE, THE TRIM PARTS AND EVERYTHING WILL BE SQUARED UP AND CLEANED UP IN TERMS OF ITS, UM, GEOMETRY, SO TO SAY.
AND, UH, THE STREET TREES WILL HAVE SQUARE, UM, UH, BOUNDARIES AROUND THEM.
AND THEN THE FIELD OF THE BRICK PAVING WILL BE A BASKET WEAVE OF SORTS, UH, THROUGHOUT, FROM ALL THE WAY FROM THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT.
THERE IS A WATER METER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND AN ELECTRICAL BOX AS WELL.
UH, BOTH, UH, COULD BE SEEN IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH.
SO ON THE RIGHT WE SEE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE GAS LAMP WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, THEY ALSO INCLUDED IN THEIR APPLICATION, UH, A LARGE DRAWING OR A DETAILED DRAWING OF THE ACTUAL LAMP POST.
OCTAGONAL IN SHAPE IN SECTION, ESPECIALLY AT, AT THE BOTTOM, UH, AND FLUIDED PART OF THE WAY.
UH, AND THEN THE LAMP ITSELF, UH, HAS THIS, UH, I DON'T KNOW, UM, THIS SHAPE HERE.
UH, AND THIS WILL BE A NATURAL GAS LAMP, SO AN ACTUAL FLAME.
AND THEN LASTLY AS WHAT CAME UP IN OUR DESIGN REVIEW WAS, UH, WHAT THE MATERIAL WAS GOING TO BE FOR THE, UM, FOR THE VERGE AREA.
AND THEY HAVE SOME, UH, THESE PAVERS LEFT OVER FROM THEIR PROJECT IN THEIR BACKYARD.
AND SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE THESE, UH, FOR THE VERGE AREA.
I CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER TOO.
UM, WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW FORM, UM, AND THEY, THE, UM, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS SAID THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS SAID THAT THE, THE FUEL, UH, PIPING PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE READY WITH OUR STAFF REPORT WHENEVER YOU ARE.
DO YOU WISH TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON THE NO.
UM, JUST THAT LAST CHECK THAT THE YEAH, YOU HAVE TO GO MICROPHONE.
AND WHO ARE YOU? UM, I JUST THINK THE NEW BRICKS, THE NEW PAVERS WILL LOOK SOFTER IN COLOR AS OPPOSED TO THE BRIGHT ORANGE.
AND, UM, THE WHOLE AIM OF IT IS TO TIDY UP THE SPACE BECAUSE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT BRICKS EXISTING THERE RIGHT NOW.
TESS, WOULD YOU MIND INTRODUCING YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD? SURE.
AND I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, SO THERE'S A LOT OF SELF-INTEREST BECAUSE WE LOOK OUT ONTO 2 1 1 JOHNSON STREET EVERY DAY, SO.
ARE THERE ANY PROPONENTS OR OPPONENTS OF THE PROJECT WHO, UH, WHO HAVE RECEIVED NOTICE WHO WANT TO SPEAK? OKAY, HEARING NONE.
ANYBODY ELSE WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS? WANT TO SPEAK? OKAY.
WE'RE READY FOR STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION.
SO THIS, UM, IS FOR THE PROJECT FOR MR. AND MRS. DOUGLAS TOWNSEND AND TESSA O REGAN.
UH, AND THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS
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TWO 11 JOHNSON STREET.THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE MITCHELL STEVENSON HOUSE, WHICH WAS BUILT IN CIRCA 1800 TO 1805 AND THEN REMODELED IN 1830 TO 1840.
UM, IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UH, AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION HAS, IT HAS TWO STORIES, FORT BAYS WIDE EXTERIOR AND CHIMNEYS AND GABLE AND ROOF AND ATTIC DORMERS.
UH, THE SAND BACK DESCRIPTION FROM 1988.
UM, UH, SOME EXCERPTED QUOTES.
UH, JOSHUA MITCHELL, A RESPECTED NEWBURN BRICK MASON HAD THIS HOUSE CONSTRUCTED.
MITCHELL WAS DESCRIBED AS A MASTER WORKMAN WHO MADE MANY OF THE BRICK HOUSES IN CHIMNEYS ERECTED IN TOWN.
UH, BOTH THE ENTRANCE WITH SIDELIGHTS AND TRANSOM AND THE PORTICO SUPPORTED BY SQUARE POSTS ARE HARMONIOUS GREEK REVIVAL ADDITIONS.
UH, SO THE PROJECT AT TWO 11 JOHNSON STREET IS TO INCLUDE REPLACEMENT PAVERS AND LANDSCAPING AND END OF GAS LAMP IN THE PRIMARY A, B, C STAFF SUBMITS FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES 2.3 0.6 FOR LANDSCAPING, 2.4, 0.23 AND FOUR.
AND OUR STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION.
ONE, THE SITE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROPOSAL.
IT'S A LANDSCAPING AND PAPER REPLACEMENT PROJECT WITHIN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS, SORRY, UH, IN THE, WITHIN THE PRIMARY A, B, C, UH, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS EITHER MEET OR DO NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
AND FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT, OR IS INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
AND THOSE TWO OPTIONS DEPEND ON YOUR DISCUSSION.
THE HB HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
ANY FINAL COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE? NO.
DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FROM, FROM THE COMMISSION? WELL, I HAD DESIGN REVIEW.
I THINK IT, IT CAME UP LATE THAT WE WERE REPLACING ALL THE BRAKES AS OPPOSED TO LEAVING THE, THE ORANGE, AS YOU SAY, BRICKS THERE.
AND SINCE WE'RE REPLACING ALL THE BRICKS, I WOULD THINK WE OUGHT TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINE, WHICH CALLS FOR A PLANTING STRIP INSTEAD OF THE BRICKS.
YOU MEAN GRASS? IS THAT WHAT RIGHT? YEAH.
WELL, IT SAYS PLANTING STRIP OF WHICH IS WHAT IS THERE, I BELIEVE, EXCEPT FOR THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS THERE EVERYWHERE ELSE.
SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT THAT IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY THE GUIDELINES, WE SHOULD.
OTHER, OTHER COMMENTS? DID YOU HAVE A, A COMMENT ON THAT? UM, I, I WOULD JUST, THE OWNER HOPED TO REPLACE IT WITH PAVING.
UM, AND, UM, I WOULD JUST HOPE IT WAS GRANDFATHERED.
SO, YOU KNOW, WELL YOU'RE WAS, YOU'RE REMOVING THEM.
SO YEAH, IMPROVING YOU LEFT THEM.
WE THINK WE ARE IMPROVING THEM.
SO I WENT, I WENT BY AND, UM, LOOKED AT THE, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT THE, THE CURRENT PAVING MATERIAL.
IT APPEARS TO BE SOME KIND OF TERRACOTTA TILES.
I DON'T THINK THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION IS NECESSARILY TO BE USED AS PAVERS.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
UH, IT'S, IT'S TERRACOTTA MATERIAL AND NOT PAVERS.
UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, MORRISON'S POINT, UH, MY QUESTION IS, IS IT LEGITIMATE FOR US TO REQUIRE A CHANGE FOR A PRE-EXISTING LANDSCAPING? UH, IF THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT, UH, MEETS THE GUIDELINES AND IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT, UH, IS, IS ALREADY THERE? UH, TWO EXAMPLES THAT I THINK OF.
UM, AND THIS WAS QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO.
THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME MORE RECENT EXAMPLES.
UH, BEFORE I CAME BACK ON THE BOARD, THERE WAS A HOUSE ON NORTH CRAVEN STREET WHERE THE WINDOWS, UH, HAD BEEN REPLACED AND THEY WERE NOT THE SAME WINDOWS.
WE HAD A HISTORIC PHOTO OF THAT, AND WE MADE IT CLEAR TO THE OWNER WHEN THEY CAME IN FRONT OF US, UH, CONCERNING THE WINDOWS THAT YES, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT BACK
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THE WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE.YES, THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED, BUT WE, UH, WERE ABLE TO CONVINCE THE OWNER, UH, TO PUT BACK THE WINDOWS LIKE THEY WERE ORIGINALLY, WHICH WAS TWO, OVER TWO SASHES.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, I WE DID NOT FORCE IT ON THEM.
AND THERE WAS A HOUSE ON, UH, NATIONAL AVENUE, SAME SITUATION.
THE, UH, THE FENESTRATION ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE HAD ACTUALLY BEEN MODIFIED.
WE HAD A HISTORIC PHOTO AND, UH, THEY WERE WILLING TO PUT IT BACK LIKE IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
NOW, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT'S A SOMEWHAT SIMILAR SITUATION IN THAT WE, WE ALREADY HAVE LANDSCAPING MATERIAL THERE.
IT IS A, A HARD SURFACE THERE.
UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WOULD NECESSARILY WANT TO REQUIRE THAT THEY PUT GRASS BACK UNLESS THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT WANTED TO DO IN MY POSITION, MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, CHANGED MY MIND.
UH, IT IS REPLACEMENT WITH A PAVING MATERIAL THAT IS, BUT THAT MEETS THE GUIDELINES AND WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE PAVING MATERIAL THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
REPLACEMENT IS IN KIND SAYS EXACT REPLACEMENT.
SO DOES THE GUIDELINES SAY THAT GRASS MUST BE THERE? WELL, THE GUIDELINE SAYS MAINTAIN A PLANTING STRIP BETWEEN THE CURB AND SIDEWALK AND THE TIGHT WE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
WHEN IT SAYS MAINTAINED, IT'S NOT THERE YET.
IT'S CURRENTLY NOT THERE, SO WE CANNOT MAINTAIN IT.
AND WHAT YOU SAY ORIGINALLY, I'M SURE ORIGINALLY IT WAS GRASS GETS DICEY DAY, I GUESS.
OKAY, HERE'S A, HERE'S A THOUGHT, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.
AND I, I, I'M NOT SAYING I DISAGREE WITH IT, BUT THE, UM, IT SAYS PREDOMINANT PLANTING SHALL BE TREES AND, AND GRASS.
UM, THERE ARE TREES PLANTED, IT'S PREDOMINANT.
UM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY THAT THE WHOLE STRIP NEEDS TO BE GRASS JUST SAYS PREDOMINANT PLANTINGS.
WELL MAINTAIN A PLANTING STRIP BETWEEN THE CURB AND SIDEWALK.
MM-HMM,
YEAH, I, AND I AGREE, BUT I SAY I'M AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMPENSATE AT SOME POINT.
I LIKE WROTE THE GUIDELINES SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE INTENT WAS.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN TALK FROM THE, FROM THE GALLERY.
IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY WHAT? I MEAN, LITERALLY I WAS
AND YOU GAVE NOTIFIED PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS AND OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK OR ANYONE ELSE WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE SPECIAL STANDING AND THAT CONCLUDE THAT PORTION OF THE HEARING IS NOT CONCLUDED.
THIS PORTION OF THE HEARING IS FOR THE BOARD'S DELIBERATION.
IF THE, IF A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD WANT TO RECEIVE ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE, ASSUMING IT'S COMPETENT MATERIAL AND SUBSTANTIAL, A MAJORITY OF YOU ALL CAN ENTERTAIN SUCH EVIDENCE.
UM, YOU, THE TIME TO SPEAK WAS EARLIER AND, AND WE'RE, UH, IF UNLESS SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION, WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, I I WOULD SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA HEAR THAT.
IT SOUNDS THE GREEN SPACE IS ALL I WAS GONNA COMMENT.
UM, SO SHALL I MAKE A MOTION? WE CAN VOTE.
WELL, WELL, LET'S GET, IS IS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SPOKEN? WELL, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? MY FEELING IS THAT THEY WANT TO CLEAN UP, IN THEIR OPINION, THEY WANT TO CLEAN UP SOMETHING THAT'S THERE.
UH, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF HISTORICAL CLAIMS THAT WE COULD MAKE ABOUT THAT STREET.
AND WE COULD SAY THAT THE SIDEWALK AT SOME POINT WAS PROBABLY NOT PAVED AT ALL.
THE STREET WAS PROBABLY NOT PAVED AT ALL.
AND WE COULD GO BACK INTO SOME, NEVER, NEVER LAND AND, AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
NOW SHE'S GOING TO PUT BRICK BACK.
I SAY LET HER PUT THE BRICK BACK.
MY CONCERN IS THAT THE PAVERS DON'T LOOK HISTORIC.
UM, AND THEY DON'T REALLY RESEMBLE BRICKS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU GO BACK WITH SOME OLDER BRICKS VERSUS THAT MATERIAL, BUT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HARDSCAPE AS YOU'RE OPPOSING.
WHY WELL USED OLD BRICK THAT FREQUENTLY COMES OUT OF INTERIOR WALLS IS CALLED SAML BRICKS, AND THEY'RE FREQUENTLY UNDER FIRED.
THEY'RE THE ONES OUT OF THE CLAMP THAT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SUITABLE HARDNESS TO BE ON THE OUTSIDE.
SO UNLESS YOU'RE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW YOU PICK THROUGH OLD BRICKS, THEY'RE GONNA FALL ALL THE PIECES WHEN THEY GET WET.
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FOR PAVING OR CHOSEN TO BE HARD FIRED.UM, SO I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ASK FOR ANY REPLACEMENT WITH USED OLD BRICK.
UH, I NOTE MR. ROCHE'S OBSERVATION THAT IT IS VERY MODERN LOOKING STUFF.
UM, AND, BUT, BUT LET'S, LET'S START WITH A MOTION AND THEN WE'LL ENTERTAIN AND LOOK AT ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE MOTION.
WHO, WHO WOULD WANT TO START? DID JIM, DO YOU WANT TO? SO I CAN, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S GOING ANYWHERE, SO, UH, OKAY.
UH, ARE WE GONNA HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION THAT'S MADE? YES.
SO I MOVE, WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR TWO 11 JOHNSON STREET.
UH, I GO IN A BLANK ON 15 4 11 AND 1521, ACCORDING TO NEW BERN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE 15 4 11 15 4 29.
I MOVE THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR TWO 11 JOHNSON STREET TO BE NOT CON CONGRESS WITH NEW BERN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LIGHT, UH, THE FOLLOWING REASONS, CITING LANDSCAPING 2.4 0.2, UTILITIES 2.3 0.6.
AND THE SITE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROPOSAL IS A LANDSCAPING AND PAVER REPLACEMENT PROJECT, PROJECT WITHIN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY, TERTIARY ABCS PROPOSED PRIMARY.
SO THE PRIMARY IT SAYS SECOND TERTIARY, BUT IT'S PRIMARY.
PRIMARY ABCS, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND IMPERIALS DO NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE PROJECT IS NOT, IS, IS IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? THAT MOTION DENIES THE COA DENIES THE PORTION, DENIES IT ALL DE DENIES THE WHOLE APPLICATION.
IS THAT WHAT THAT DOES? THE CO I SAID WITH THE EXECUTIVE.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THAT PROPOSAL? SO, SO, UM, UM, IF I CAN UNDERSTAND, JIM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THINKING THAT THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS TO THIS.
THERE'S THE GRASS STRIP AND THE LIGHTING, BUT THERE'S ALSO THAT, THAT THE BOX WOODS ALONG THE, THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
WELL, THEY'RE REPLACING THE BOX.
SO, SO IT IS WOULDN'T THAT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION.
SO, SO I THINK THERE ARE MAYBE THREE PARTS.
SO I'LL AMEND THE MOTION TO ADD 2.4, 0.3 AND FOUR.
I'LL AMEND MY SECOND AS AS WELL.
THE MOVEMENT SECONDED TO, TO DENY THAT PORTION OF THE APPLICATION, WHICH CAN SAY, CONCERNS THE SCRIPT OR APPROVE THIS.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE.
CAN WE DO THAT AGAIN? I THINK OPPOSED IN MOTION.
ARE WE YOU'RE CALLING FOR THE VOTE? YEAH.
I THOUGHT THERE'D BE SOME DISCUSSION.
YOU JUST, THE, THE, THE DISCUSSION.
YOU HAVE TO VOTE OR IT COUNTS AS A YES.
AS A AFFIRMATIVE AS, RIGHT? OH, YES.
I WOULD, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A SECOND MOTION, UH, ON, ON THIS, WHICH OSTENSIBLY SHOULD APPROVE IT.
TIM, WOULD YOU MAKE THAT MOTION? YES.
UM, LET ME, LEMME GET MY NOTES
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TOGETHER HERE.I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR TWO 11 JOHNSON STREET, UH, TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BERN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTION 15 DASH 4 11 2 15 DASH 4 29 AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC GUIDELINES BASED ON FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS.
IN FACT, UH, APPLICABLE, APPLICABLE GUIDELINES 2.3 0.6, 2.43, 2.4.
UH, CAN YOU SCROLL IT, MATT? FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, THE SITE IS, IS CONTRIBUTING IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN A TIGHT WEED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
UH, THIS IS A LANDSCAPING AND PAVER REPLACEMENT PROJECT.
UM, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINE.
THE ZONING, ADMINISTRATIVE AND CHIEF BUILDING OF AND A CHIEF BUILDING, IN FACT, UH, OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND COMMENTED, UH, THE PROJECT, UM, IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES AND ANY REVISIONS, UH, TO THE PLANS.
IF THE MOTION IS APPROVED, UM, WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL, UH, FOR EVALUATION FOR, UH, UH, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
OKAY, SO SECOND FOR THAT MOTION.
WE APPROVE THE, UH, COA AS WRITTEN.
ANY DISCUSSION ON, ON THAT? JUST A QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENT ENGINEERING WISE FROM THE CITY TO PUT SOMETHING IN THAT AREA? SO YOU COULD PUT ANYTHING THERE? UH, WHEN THERE IS A DRIVEWAY, UH, THEN THEY WANT TO, THEY HAVE A DRIVEWAY PERMIT, BUT NOT THE SURFACE.
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SURFACE.
IT COULD BE, WELL, COULD IT BE GRAVEL? UH, AND, UH, SO IN THIS CASE, THERE IS NO DRIVEWAY, SO YOU CAN'T, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A DRIVEWAY, YOU'RE JUST ASKING ABOUT THE VERGE ITSELF.
SO, BUT THERE'S NO ENGINEERING AS TO WHAT IS PUT THERE NEXT TO A SIDEWALK? UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, NO.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? UH, READY TO HEAR THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE.
MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA SUB MOVED.
OKAY, SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR 3 0 7 BURN STREET.
UH, THE, THE APPLICATION IS FOR KIPI HAMMOND AND GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, UH, SARAH LERACH AND THIS IS, UH, SHOWS YOU THE DESCRIPTION.
THEY PROVIDED THE GUIDELINES, THEY SPECIFIED AND THE MATERIALS DESCRIBED.
UH, AND ALSO THEN THE REST OF THE APPLICATION, UH, SIGNED BY SARAH LERACH.
AND THIS DOCUMENT THEN IS THE OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION FOR HER FOR THAT PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS ALSO SIGNED AND DATED.
SO, UH, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND, BUT THE ENTIRE PROJECT IS IN THE REAR AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FRONT.
THIS IS JUST PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME CONTEXT OR, UH, REMIND YOU WHICH HOUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, SO THEY'VE PROVIDED SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE AREA.
SO AS YOU GO TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, UH, THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT HERE IS THE BACK, THE VERY BACK.
AND THE ADDITION WILL BE ADDED ONTO THAT, UH, FACE HERE ON THAT REAR FACE.
UH, REMOVING THE, UM, THE, THE LATTICE WORK THERE.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HERE, THIS IS NOW LOOKING AT THE, AT THE REAR CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
SO THAT REAR FACE IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE HERE.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BUT IT'S THAT LAST EDGE
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HERE OF THE HOUSE.UM, YOU CAN SEE SOME RAILING HERE FOR A DECKING THAT WILL BE MODIFIED IN THE PROJECT WAS PROPOSED TO BE MODIFIED.
I'M GONNA MOVE NOW DOWN TO THE LEFT.
AND SO HERE AGAIN, THAT'S THAT CORNER WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT AND THAT RAILING, YOU CAN SEE A PATHWAY BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE FENCE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THAT'S LEFT AFTER, UM, LOOKING, SAY FROM THE REAR PORTION OF THE HOUSE.
UH, SOME OF THE ADDITION WILL BE TAKING UP SOME OF THIS SPACE HERE IN THE LOWER LEFT CORNER, UH, ON THE GROUND AND THEN UP ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE FOR THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
UH, THIS IS NOW LOOKING FROM, YOU CAN SEE THE PATHWAY HERE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER.
SO LOOKING FROM, UH, NEXT TO THAT PATHWAY ON THE SIDE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, THE ADDITION WILL BE AROUND THE CORNER FROM, UH, THIS PARTICULAR CORNER HERE, OR, UH, OR IT WILL BE EXTENDING OUT, I FORGOT AT THE MOMENT.
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING FLOOR, FLOOR PLAN AND SITE PLAN.
UH, AND UH, THE ADDITION IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING OVER HERE IN THE LOWER LEFT CORNER OF THIS DRAWING.
UM, AND THE DASHED ITEMS ARE THE THINGS TO BE REMOVED, INCLUDING THIS SMALL PALM TREE, UH, AND THE WALKWAYS.
AND THERE YOU CAN SEE THE FENCING IN SOME THAT EXISTING DECKING.
UM, SO THE REST, OH, THE OTHER THING TO NOTE IS ON THAT REAR WALL OF THE HOUSE, UH, ONE WINDOW WILL BE REMOVED AND FILLED IN.
AND ANOTHER PORTION, UH, OF THE WALL WILL, THEY WILL BE ADDING A NEW DOOR, WHICH WILL BE AN INTERIOR DOOR SINCE THERE WILL BE A ROOM ADDED HERE ON THE LEFT.
AND HERE WE SEE THAT ACTUAL ADDITION AT A LARGER SCALE.
SO HERE, UM, I GUESS I AM CORRECTED HERE.
THE ADDITION DOES, UH, PROTRUDE OUT FROM THE EXISTING FACE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, UM, TOWARDS THAT WALKWAY AND ONTO THE DECK.
UH, THE, UH, DOORWAY, THE NEW DOORWAY IN THE EXISTING WALL IS SHOWN HERE ON THE RIGHT.
UM, WE CAN ALSO SEE THE, UM, MECHANICAL UNITS HAVE BEEN MOVED TO, UH, THIS, UH, WESTERN SIDE OF THE ADDITION.
UH, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SINGLE BEDROOM AND A BATHROOM AND A CLOSET.
AND, UM, A SERIES OF WINDOWS ON THE EASTERN SIDE, EASTERN SIDE OVER HERE, AND A SOLID WALL ON THE NORTH.
UH, THE DECKING WILL BE MODIFIED TO EXTEND, UM, ALL THE WAY TO THE NEARLY THE END OF THE, UH, ADDITION.
AND THERE WILL BE NO RAILINGS SINCE THERE WILL BE FOUR STAIRS, UM, FOR RISERS, UM, GOING DOWN TO THE GROUND AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THAT DECK.
NO, I GUESS THAT'S ENOUGH FOR THAT MOMENT.
NEXT IS A SERIES OF ELEVATIONS.
FIRST THE ELEVATIONS OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
UM, UH, THIS WAS LOOKING AT THE EXISTING HOUSE, UH, FROM THE EAST AND SHOWING THE PIECES THAT WILL BE REMOVED, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW ADDITION, INCLUDING A BIT OF THE EAVES HERE ON THE END OF THE HOUSE.
THEN ON THIS SIDE, UH, THIS SHOWS THAT THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND YOU CAN SEE NOW THE WINDOW IS TO BE REMOVED AND FILLED IN.
AND THEN THE, UH, NEW DOORWAY THAT'S TO BE ADDED.
UM, BOTH OF THOSE END UP ON THE INTERIOR OF THE NEW ADDITION.
THE ALSO SHOWS THEN SOME MORE, UH, THE END VIEW OF REMOVING PORTIONS OF THE DECK GO DOWN TO THE LOWER LEFT.
AND HERE THIS IS THE BACK OF THE, UM, EXISTING HOUSE.
UH, AND IT, HERE THE ONLY CHANGES ARE TO, UH, REMOVE PORTION OF THE EVE.
NOW WE'LL GO TO THE NEW ELEVATIONS OF THE SAME, FROM THE SAME ANGLE, SAME FROM THE EAST.
UH, THE NEW ADDITION HERE IS SHOWN HERE ON THE RIGHT AND YOU CAN SEE THE EXTENSIVE WINDOWS AND UH, FRENCH DOORS HERE.
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UM, SEAM ROOFING, UH, THE SIDING, WOOD SIDING.AND UH, WE CAN SEE HERE THE DECK NOW, UH, DOES NOT HAVE THE HANDRAIL, THE HAND RAILING THAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT.
UH, BUT THERE IS A HANDRAIL DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE HERE.
UM, THE NEW ADDITION ALSO HAS A STEP DOWN, UH, PORTION OF THE ROOF OVER HERE, WHICH WE'LL SEE ON THE END IN A SECOND.
SO, UM, HERE WE SEE FROM THE END, THAT'S THE STEP DOWN ONLY ON THIS FRONT, UH, SIDE OF THIS ADDITION.
OTHERWISE IT'S UH, FLUSH WITH THE NEW ADDITION AND THE EXISTING ROOF ON THE BACK.
AND, UH, HERE AGAIN, YOU SEE THE DECK ON THE LEFT.
NOW WE CAN SEE THE FOUNDATION HERE IS A BRICK FOUNDATION.
THAT'S TO MATCH THE EXISTING FOUNDATION ON THE HOUSE.
THEN ON THE BACK, THE NEW ADDITION ADDED ON, UH, AND HAS A SMALL, UH, SLIGHTLY VERTICAL WINDOW HERE.
AND THE FOUNDATION IS SHOWN HERE.
THE WOOD, THE WOOD SIDING IS TO BE PAINTED AND THE TRIM IS TO MATCH THE EXISTING TRIM ON THE EXISTING HOUSE.
UH, AND LET'S SEE, UM, WHAT ISN'T SO OBVIOUS HERE IS THIS, UH, THIS, UH, SIDING HERE THAT YOU SEE HERE IS ACTUALLY FIVE FEET FARTHER AWAY FROM YOU THAN THIS, UM, EXISTING WALL HERE.
BUT, UH, THAT MAY BE REPRESENTED BY THIS, UH, THE FACT THAT THIS ROOFING IS ACTUALLY FLUSH ALL THE WAY ACROSS HERE.
UM, AND THIS, UH, CHANGE IN THE EVE HEIGHT, UH, REPRESENTS THE FACT THAT, THAT IT IS FIVE FEET FARTHER AWAY FROM THIS PARTICULAR, THE EXISTING.
ALRIGHT, AND NEXT IS OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW, WHICH, UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS SAID THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, THAT IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THEN WE ARE READY WITH OUR STAFF REPORT WHENEVER YOU ARE APPLICANT LIKE TO COMMENT.
ARE THERE OPPONENTS OR PROPONENTS OF THIS APPLICATION WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? WHO ARE, WHO HAVE RECEIVED NOTICE SEEING NONE? UH, ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND FEELS IMPACTED? WISH TO SPEAK.
SEEING NONE, UH, READY FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
OKAY, SO THIS IS THE STAFF REPORT FOR, UH, KIPPY HAMMOND AND GO.
ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN FOR THE PROJECT ADDRESSES 3 0 7 BURN STREET.
THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE S SMITH HOUSE FROM CIRCA 1900.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AS DESCRIBED IN THE 2003 NATIONAL REGISTER.
INVENTORY AS TWO AND A HALF STORIES, TWO BAYS WIDE, THREE BAYS DEEP, SIX OVER SIX SASH, SIDE HALL ENTRANCE IN THE RIGHT BAY AND HIP ROOF PORCH WITH SQUARE POSTS AND BALUSTRADE AND A GABLE FRONT ROOF.
UH, THE SAND BACK 1988, SAND BACK DID NOT HAVE A DESCRIPTION OF THE HOUSE.
SO THE PROJECT IS DOING FOR 3 0 7 BURN STREET IS TO INCLUDE A ONE STORY REAR EDITION AND REPLACEMENT DECK IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.
SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, AKA GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES 2.3, 0.1, TWO AND SIX FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, TWO AND FOUR FOR MODIFICATIONS.
3.3 0.1, TWO AND THREE FOR FOUNDATIONS.
4.3 AND FOUR FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.1 AND FOUR, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.2 AND THREE FOR ENTRANCES.
4.4 0.4 FOR ROOFS, 4.51 AND FOUR FOR DECKS AND PATIOS.
THREE, 4.6 0.2, THREE AND FOUR FOR MASON.
5.4 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.
AND THE STATEMENTS ARE REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION.
R ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS IN ADDITION TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.
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THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON IT.
THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT'S, THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUICK ONE.
SO I SEE THAT YOU'VE ADDED THE HANDRAIL SINCE OUR, UH, DESIGN MEETING AND I SEE THAT.
IS THAT A METAL HANDRAIL? IT IS A METAL HANDRAIL, YEAH.
SHE WANTED ONE AND UH, SHE WANTS TO JUST DO A METAL HANDRAIL.
AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE IN THE CORNER? YEAH, IT'S ON THE RIGHT HAND CORNER.
YEAH, JUST OFF THE, BY THE, THE SETBACK OF THE LITTLE WHERE IT JOGS BACK A LITTLE BIT AND IT'S JUST A SINGLE SIMPLE RAIL.
'CAUSE THE RAILING THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW IS JUST INCREDIBLY BUSY AND WOULDN'T ACTUALLY MEET OUR STANDARDS.
SO SHE WANTED TO CHANGE IT UP AND KEEP IT SIMPLE.
AND WE'RE ONE TREE NOW, NOT TWO, CORRECT? WE'RE WE'RE TAKING OUT THE SMALL PALM TREE.
THE TWO BIGGER TREES I THINK CAN STAY.
SO WE'RE GOING, UM, THEY'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY, THEY SHOULDN'T BE IMPACTED.
UM, AND SHE WANTS TO TRY AND KEEP THEM.
SO JUST THE LITTLE PALM, WHICH, UH, IS REALLY JUST ORNAMENTAL AND ALL STANDING SEAM.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS.
WHAT'S THERE MAY BE THE TURN METAL, SO THAT MAY, WHICH IS AN OLDER KIND OF METAL.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO SEE HOW IT ALL MATCHES IN TOGETHER.
THEY MAY HAVE TO REPLACE ALL OF IT, UM, BECAUSE WE, WE WILL HAVE TO USE A GALVANIZED TO HAND SEAM IT AND TIE IT ALL TOGETHER.
BUT IT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT ONE ELEVATION IS DECEIVING, BUT WITH IT ALL TIED TOGETHER, I THINK IT'LL, IT'LL LOOK NICE.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, IN TERMS OF THE TREES, THE PALM IS, GOES IN THE APPLICATION AND THE OTHER TWO TREES STAY CORRECT.
YOU WANT ME TO MOVE MOTION? ANYBODY ELSE? NO.
LET ME, LET ME GIVE THIS A SHOT.
I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR THE PROJECT AT 3 0 7 BURN STREET.
TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BURNS.
SECTIONS ONE 15.4 11 THROUGH 15.4 29.
HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UTILITIES 2.3 0.1 2.3 0.2 2.3 0.6.
DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.12 AND 3.1 0.4 MODIFICATIONS, 3.21 AND 3.2 0.2 ADDITIONS, 3.31, 3.3 0.2 AND 3.3 0.3 FOUNDATIONS.
WHILST TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, FOUR POINT AND 4.24.
MASONRY 5.1 0.3 AND FIVE POINT WOOD FIVE AND 5.2.
THE FINDINGS ARE FACT BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE, THE STRUCTURE AT THIS ADDRESS IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS IN ADDITION TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN.
THE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE RE ANY REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES MADE TO THIS APPLICATION SHALL BE COMMITTED TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE CITY'S BUILDING INSPECTION DIVISION.
MOVED AND SECONDED THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED.
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AYE.WE ISSUE THE COA ALL IN FAVOR STATE.
A OPPOSED? UM, CAN WE ALSO GET A MOTION ON THE WRITTEN DEC WRITTEN DECISION AS WELL? UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE WRITTEN DECISIONS, WHICH YOU HAVE.
AND SECONDED THAT THE WRITTEN DECISIONS BE APPROVED.
ALL FAVOR? I OPPOSED THERE? NONE.
DID YOU SAY FOR BOTH OF THEM? FOR BOTH WRITTEN DECISIONS OR JUST FOR THIS ONE PROJECT? RICHARD, DID YOU SAY BOTH? I, I MOVE THAT WE YOU HAD IT FOR BOTH? I THINK I MOVE THAT.
AND TIM, THAT WAS A, YOU SECONDED THAT AS BOTH I THINK.
IT WASN'T ME WHO SECONDED THAT ONE? NO, NO.
FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, YES.
SO THE TWO ADDRESSES ARE TWO 11 JOHNSON STREET AND 3 0 7 BURN STREET WRITTEN DECISIONS.
ANY OLD BUSINESS I KNOW OF? NONE.
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, NEW BUSINESS, YOUR REPORT? ARE THERE THINGS ON THERE YOU WANT TO STRESS? UH, NO.
ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.