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YOU READY? I CALL TO ORDER[I. CALL TO ORDER]
THE THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE NEWBURN PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.UH, WILL YOU ALL PLEASE STAND AND REPEAT THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE FOR US? TO OUR FLAG OF OUR COUNTRY, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
UM, KENDRICK, CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES, SIR.
THE FIRST MEMBER, IT'S GONNA BE MR. KYLE DEERING, AND JUST LET THE RECORD SHOW MR. DEERING IS ABSENT.
SECOND MEMBER, UH, BOARD MEMBER DANIELLE PEOPLES PRESENT BOARD MEMBER KIPP PARAGO, AND LET THE RECORD SHOW HE'S ALSO ABSENT.
CHAIRMAN BRAD JEFFERSON, HERE, BOARD MEMBER RUSTY INGRAM.
HERE, BOARD MEMBER KELLY KAISER HERE, BOARD MEMBER THOMAS BROWNELL HERE, AND BOARD MEMBER MARSHALL BALL HERE.
[IV. APPROVE AGENDA]
A MOTION ON THE AGENDA.I MOVE, WE APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
I'LL SECOND THAT, UH, MOTION AND SECOND, UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[V. CHAIRMAN’S REMARKS]
WE'LL MOVE INTO CHAIRMAN'S REMARKS.I'LL DO MY BEST TO KEEP THIS BRIEF.
UM, I DO WANNA TALK ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS THAT THE STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, UM, I WANT TO DRAW THE BOARD'S ATTENTION IN THE PUBLICS FOR THAT MATTER TO THE SEPTEMBER 10TH WORKSHOP MEETING FOR THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
UM, IT'S ABOUT TWO HOURS LONG.
UM, BUT IT'S BASICALLY WHAT I SAT THROUGH IN THE STEERING COMMITTEE.
UM, AND IT'S WELL WORTH A WATCH, UM, PARTICULARLY ABOUT, UH, 19 AND A HALF MINUTES IN, UM, OUR CONSULTANT, CHAD BRINGS UP, UH, CONDITIONAL ZONING, WHICH I THINK IS GONNA HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON THIS BOARD.
NOT THAT THE LAND USE ORDINANCE WON'T, BUT THAT PARTICULARLY IS A BIG CHANGE FOR US.
UM, AND BASICALLY, AND THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS THAT NEED TO BE IRONED OUT, BUT BASICALLY THERE'S TWO VERSIONS OF CONDITIONAL ZONING THAT REZONING THERE WOULD BE UNLIMITED AND UNLIMITED VERSIONS, AND IT WOULD REPLACE THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE PUDS, UM, GIVING, UH, THIS BOARD AND THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN MORE ROOM TO NEGOTIATE AND TALK BACK AND FORTH, UH, WHAT THOSE LIMITS ARE AND OTHER DETAILS I'M STILL UNCLEAR ON.
WE'LL WORK THOSE OUT AS WE GO.
MOST OF THE REST OF THE STATE DOES THIS.
THIS IS NOT A, A UNIQUE THING FOR THE CITY OF NEWBURN.
UM, BUT WHAT, UH, ONE OTHER INTERESTING POINT THAT I THOUGHT WAS, UH, AND AGAIN, THE DETAILS NEED TO BE WORKED OUT, IS THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A QUOTE, NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, UM, A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, EXCUSE ME, UH, THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD PUT ON BEFOREHAND BEFORE COMING TO US.
UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU'D DEFINE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING OR WHO HAS TO COME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT THAT SOMEONE FROM THIS BOARD, UM, BE IT MYSELF OR SOMEONE ELSE, AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHO, UM, GOES TO THOSE MEETINGS, UM, AND AT LEAST TAKES NOTES.
AND SO, BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES BEFORE US, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THOSE NOTES FROM THE CITIZENS ON THE OBJECT THAT'S COMING UP.
UM, AND WE KNOW OUR FELLOW CITIZENS AT NEWIN, SOME OF THEIR REQUESTS ARE GONNA BE A BIT OUTLANDISH, UM, THOUGH WELL INTENTIONED.
UM, SO SOME THINGS MAY NOT BE BROUGHT UP, BUT, UM, OTHER THINGS SHOULD BE, AND I THINK WE SHOULD HELP THAT PROCESS.
AND THEN WHEN IT GOES TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN FOR THEM TO FINALLY APPROVE IT, IT GIVES THAT A LITTLE MORE TEETH AND THEN MAYBE THAT STUFF'S ALREADY IRONED OUT TO WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
AND IT'S THAT THAT TWO HOUR MEETING IS WELL WORTH IT.
UM, WHAT'S COMING UP? UM, THEY'RE IN PHASE FOUR OF THEIR PLAN.
THEY'RE IN THE, HOLD ON, THEY'RE IN THE, UH, INITIAL DRAFT AND TEXT PHASE ON THE MAP.
SO HERE, PRETTY SOON WE'RE GONNA START GETTING TEXT REVISIONS TO THE, UH, STEERING COMMITTEE.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S GOING PUBLIC.
I NEED TO, I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD BE GOING PUBLIC.
AND THEN I, I MAYBE AT THAT POINT THIS BOARD NEEDS TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ON THIS LAND USE ORDINANCE.
WE CAN FEED THAT DATA BACK INTO, UM, THE, UH, CONSULTANT IF, UH, IF WE HAVE ANY, UM, COMMENTS ON THAT.
UM, BECAUSE THE, THE LAND USE ORDINANCE IS BIG, IT'S WHAT THIS BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK AFTER, SO, AND IT'S A BIG CHANGE.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING A THOUSAND PAGES OR SO.
UM, SO THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG DEAL.
UM, AND THEN ONE OTHER ITEM, UM, PERHAPS IN NEW BUSINESS, UH, IF ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON A, ON A VICE CHAIR, I WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION, UM, THOUGH I CAN'T MAKE IT.
UM, SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO THE ACTION ITEMS, BUT BEFORE THAT LAST
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WEEK WE, OR LAST MEETING, WE APPROVED THE RULES OF PROCEDURES.AND IN THAT DISCUSSION WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETINGS TO HAVE, UM, JUST A LITTLE VERBIAGE ON WHAT THIS BOARD, UM, RESPONSIBILITIES ARE IN TERMS, UM, WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.
AND BY THE WAY, UM, I WAS GONNA COME UP WITH THIS AND I HAD ABOUT TWO SENTENCES, AND MS. DANIEL PEOPLES TOOK THIS THE OTHER DAY AT LUNCH.
WE, ME AND HER WERE TALKING ABOUT IT AND SHE'S WROTE A LOT AND I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD.
AND SO I'M GONNA USE MOST OF WHAT SHE HAS HERE WITH JUST A COUPLE CHANGES.
UM, SO, UM, AS A BACKGROUND CONTEXT, THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD THIS EVENING INCLUDE APPROVAL OF GENERAL AND FINAL SUBDIVISION PLOTS AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN CONSIDERING ZONING, TEXT, AND MAP AMENDMENTS.
THESE SEVEN MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD WERE APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND MUST RESIDE WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
ONE MEMBER IS APPOINTED BY THE CRAVEN COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AND RESIDES WITHIN THE CITY'S ETJ, THE EXTRA EXTRA TUTORIAL JURISDICTION.
UM, COMMONLY REFERRED TO IT AS THE ETJ.
THIS BOARD IS AN ADVISORY AUTHORITY TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN ACTS IN THE LEGISLATIVE CAPACITY AND FOLLOWS VOTING PROCEDURES.
AS PART OF ITS OFFICIAL MEETINGS, THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN IS NOT BOUND TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
UM, THE TWO ITEMS THIS EVENING WILL HAVE A STAFF REPORT.
WE WILL THEN TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT'S REMARKS AFTER THAT.
UM, THE, THIS ORDER AND PUBLIC COMMENT PROTOCOL REFLECTS THIS.
BOARD'S RECENTLY ADOPTED RULES AND PROCEDURES.
[VI.A. Tyler Home on the Lake Ph 2 & 3, (General Plan - PUD)]
WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO ITEM NUMBER FIVE SIX A.UM, UH, AND THIS I, UH, INTRODUCING TAYLOR HOMES ON LAKE PHASE TWO AND THREE.
GENERAL PLAN, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THIS ITEM FALLS UNDER THE MAJOR SUB SUBDIVISION, GENERAL PLOT, GENERAL AND FINAL PLOT APPROVALS.
THIS BOARD HAS A DECISION TO APPROVE THE ACTION.
REFLECTING THE PLAN SATISFIES THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY LAND USE ORDINANCES OR DENY THE ACTION INDICATING THE PLAN FAILS TO SATISFY THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY'S LAND USE ORDINANCE.
IF THE BOARD FINDS THE PLOT OR PROPOSED SUBDIVISION FAILS TO COMPLY WITH ONE OR MORE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY, LAND USE ORDINANCES MOTION MUST STATE THE DEFICIENCY AND THE BASIS OF WHICH THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION COULD BE APPROVED.
UM, THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE OF THE CITY WAS ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN ON FEBRUARY 7TH, 1956.
IT BECAME IMMEDIATELY EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER AND HAS BEEN SUBSEQUENTLY AMENDED.
MOST RECENTLY IS NOVEMBER 22ND, 2022.
THE ORDINANCE LAYS OUT THAT MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS ARE SUBJECT TO A TWO STEP APPROVAL PROCESS.
PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LAND MUST BE SUBDIVIDED OR AUTHORIZED BY APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND THE GENERAL AT THE GENERAL PLAN STAGE SALE OF LOTS PERMITTED AT THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL AND PROVIDED IN SECTION 1517 OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
SO WITH THAT, KENDRICK, I OPEN IT UP TO YOU FOR YOUR STAFF REPORT.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, AND GOOD EVENING TO EVERYONE AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT FOR THIS FIRST ITEM.
THIS IS TYLER HOME ON THE LAKE.
IT'S A GENERAL PLAN, UH, PUD OR PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS SUBDIVISION, EXCUSE ME, MAJOR SUBDIVISION 0 0 2 9 3 2 20 24.
THE APPLICANT IS JOHN G. THOMAS, UH, PE OWNER, PRINCIPAL OR SLASH PRINCIPAL ENGINEER FOR THOMAS ENGINEERING PA.
UH, THE OWNER STARS IN STRIPES FOR FLLC AND THE LOCATION.
UM, AND THE GENERAL VICINITY IS OFF OF LAKE TYLER DRIVE, UH, FOR NEW BERN, NORTH CAROLINA.
THE EXISTING ZONING IS RESIDENTIAL 10 A OR R DASH 10 A.
AND THE SIZE APPROXIMATELY, UM, PER THE PLA IS 20.78 TOTAL ACRES.
THE OVERVIEW HERE, THE PROPOSED PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS FOR 141 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED UNITS.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY ZONED, AGAIN, HAS R DASH 10 A.
UH, THIS IS ESTABLISHED AS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT PER OUR CITY'S LAND USE ORDINANCE.
UM, AND BASICALLY THE PURPOSE FOR THESE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IS TO PROVIDE COMFORTABILITY, HEALTH AND SAFETY.
AND HERE FIRST WE HAVE THE VICINITY MAP.
THIS HIGHLIGHTS THE FOUR DIFFERENT PARCEL NUMBERS THAT YOU'LL FIND FOR THE PROPERTIES.
UM, THIS PERTAINS TO THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL AS FOLLOWED BY THE BUFFER MAP, AND THIS IS THE BUFFER MAP
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WE TAKE.IT IS A HUNDRED FOOT RADIUS FROM THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINES FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES.
FOLLOWING THAT, THIS IS A AERIAL JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT'S ON THE GROUND.
THIS IS FROM 2021 AND THE ZONING MAP, WHICH IS GONNA REFLECT THAT R DASH 10 A COLOR, UH, IS DESIGNATED AND SHOWN THERE.
YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, COLOR AS WELL AS IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
AND THAT'S FOLLOWED BY THE SITE PLAN HERE.
AND THE STAFF'S EVALUATION, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN ENGAGED WITH PUBLIC WORKS.
UH, THIS IS TO RESOLVE SOME CONCERNS ADDRESSING THE PARKING.
UH, THAT WAS BEEN A CONTINUOUS ENGAGEMENT BETWEEN THOSE PARTIES.
AND REALISTICALLY, WE'D LIKE TO, UH, LET THE BOARD, IF THEY DO HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN LET THOSE FOLKS ENTERTAIN THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, I THINK THEY'LL BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN A LOT MORE.
AND THEN AS FAR AS FOR ALL THE OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE DEPARTMENTAL, OR EXCUSE ME, DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
AND IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THAT I MAY BE ABLE TO TOUCH ON, I'LL TAKE THOSE AT THIS TIME.
YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK YOU THAT I HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, I WAS READING THROUGH THE, UH, THE DRC REPORT.
ONE OF THE THINGS IT TALKS ABOUT IS, UM, THE PARKING SPACE DIMENSIONS FOR THE AMENITY AREA.
UM, AND IT STATES IN, IN THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE THAT IT'S LABELED AS FUTURE, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE REVISED SITE PLAN.
UM, SO IS IT ACTUALLY LABELED AS FUTURE ON A SITE PLAN THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AS THE, AS THE OFFICIAL COPY? FROM WHAT I CAN RECALL, I BELIEVE WE HAD WANTED THEM TO DISCLOSE, UH, NECESSARILY WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO POTENTIALLY BE FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO SEE AND ADDRESS THAT WITH THE APPLICANT ONCE MORE AND JUST TO SEE WHAT THAT ANSWER MAY BE.
SO I'D PROBABLY DEFER TO THE APPLICANT TO BETTER ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, THEN FARTHER DOWN IN THE DRC REPORT, UM, THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT STREETS, PUBLIC WORKS, STREETS, AND THE TRASH ISSUE.
IT STATES THERE THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT IS STATING THEY DON'T AGREE WITH PUBLIC WORKS ASSESSMENT, BUT WE DON'T SEE ANY SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATIONS AS TO HOW THAT GOT RESOLVED.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M RETICENT TO SAY, LET'S GO AHEAD UNLESS WE KNOW WHAT THIS IS REALLY GONNA BE FULLY UNDERSTOOD.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, THE APPLICANT AT PUBLIC WORKS.
UH, MR. GEORGE, HE'S, HE'S ALSO IN ATTENDANCE FOR THIS MEETING TO ACTUALLY HOPEFULLY PROVIDE SOME CLARITY.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN AS TO THOSE EXCHANGES AS WELL.
SO I WOULD, UH, DEFER TO THOSE FOLKS.
SO THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
YOU KNOW, IS THAT AMENITY AREA ACTUALLY LABELED AS FUTURE, AND IS THE CITY GOING TO REQUIRE THAT? THEY SAY BASICALLY WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE.
THE SECOND QUESTION IS FOR THE STREETS, HAS THAT BEEN RESOLVED FROM THE DRC COMMENTS AND THE TRASH? HAS THAT BEEN RESOLVED? SIR, THOSE ARE MY THREE QUESTIONS.
SO WITH THE PLAN ON THE SCREEN, THE AMENITY AREAS IS AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC FOR THE LARGER PARCEL ON THE LEFT.
UH, AND THEY HAVE ADDRESSED THE TRASH PICKUP AREAS, ALTHOUGH IT IS HARD TO SEE BECAUSE IT IS A, A THIN RED LINE THAT NOTATES THOSE AREAS WHERE TRASH CANS WOULD BE PLACED.
UH, IT IS KIND OF HARD TO SEE AT THIS EXTENT, BUT IT IS A LARGE PLAN.
SO UNFORTUNATELY IT, IT'S NOT VERY VISIBLE FROM THIS SCREEN.
WELL, I SEE THE AMENITY AREA ON THE, ON THE MAP, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT'S FUTURE, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
IT, IT STATES IN THE, THE APPLICANT RESPONDED TO THE DRC COMMENTS AND SAID THAT THAT WAS LABELED ON THE PLAN AS FUTURE, BUT IT'S NOT.
SO IS IT, OR ISN'T IT? IF IT IS, IF IT'S NOT FUTURE, THEN WE'RE BASICALLY APPROVING IT AS IT STANDS.
'CAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND TELL US, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY APPROVING.
UM, THE TRASH I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE AS FAR AS THE STREETS GOES AND, AND THE, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT NOT, UH, IDENTIFYING THOSE OR ACCEPTING THOSE AS CITY STREETS.
THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT BEFORE WE GO FORWARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KENDRICK? ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GONNA GET YOU THE LIST OF FOLKS THAT MIGHT WANNA SPEAK TO OKAY.
SOUND GOOD? UM, DOES, UM, GEORGE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON, ON THIS MATTER A LITTLE SHORTER THAN KENDRICK
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WE HAD SOME FOLLOW UP CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER REGARDING TRASH, AND OUR MAIN CONCERN WAS WITH THE DENSITY, UM, AND ROLL OUT CANS, HOW WE WERE GONNA FACILITATE THAT.AND THEN THEY CAME BACK WITH SOME ACCOMMODATIONS.
WE HAD NO ORDINANCE TO MAKE THEM DO THIS.
THIS WAS JUST A RECOMMENDATION DUE TO OUR EXPERIENCE WITH EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAD HIGHER DENSITY AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT MADE SOME OF OUR SERVICES MORE DIFFICULT, UM, AS TO THE STREETS.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR INTENT RIGHT NOW SHOULD THIS PASS, UM, THAT WE WOULD END UP ACCEPTING THE STREETS AS THE PLAN IS SHOWN.
WE DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING THE WAY, AND THIS WAS A MODIFICATION THROUGH MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER ON HOW WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT FROM A SAFETY CONCERN.
AND THEN THERE'S ORDINANCE THAT ACTUALLY RESTRICTS BEING ABLE TO BACK OUT ONTO A PUBLIC STREET.
SO, SO THE ACCOMMODATION FOR THE TRASH IS GOOD.
THE PARKING, WHICH WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN SOME, SOME SORT, UM, DUE TO THE DENSITY, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT WITH THE BACKING WITH SPACES THAT WOULD BACK OUT.
THE BOARD HAD QUESTIONS FOR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT, JUST, JUST TELL ME WHAT THE ORDINANCE, SUMMARIZE WHAT IT STATES IN REGARDS TO BACKING ON TO A PUBLIC STREET, PLEASE.
IT, IT, IT SAID, AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE, THE ORDINANCE HERE AND, AND PERHAPS THAT CAN BE HELPFUL IN THAT REGARD.
I THINK MR. CHILDS IS REFERRING TO SECTION 15 3 46 B, UM, WHICH SAYS VEHICLE ACCOMMODATION AREAS SHALL BE DESIGNED SO THAT WITHOUT RESORTING TO EXTRAORDINARY MOVEMENTS, VEHICLES MAY EXIT SUCH AREAS WITHOUT BACKING ONTO A PUBLIC STREET.
AND I THINK MR. CHILDS MAY BE REFERENCING, UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL PARKING, SATELLITE PARKING AREAS INDICATED ON THE PLAT IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT AREAS, UM, LOCATED ADJACENT TO SOME OF THE STREETS THAT ARE ON THE PLAT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. CHOPS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR.
UM, SO I'M GONNA OPEN, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT HERE IN JUST A SEC.
I DO WANNA READ A QUICK THING ON PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON IT.
UM, AND THIS GOES FOR BOTH SECTIONS, UH, BOTH ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
UM, PUBLIC COMMENT IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
COMMENTS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD AND CITY STAFF AND BE RELEVANT TO THE ACTION ITEM BEING DISCUSSED.
IF SO, DESIRED GROUPS, ORGANIZATIONS, NEIGHBORHOODS, OR SIMILAR ASSOCIATIONS MAY APPOINT ONE SPOKESPERSON TO PRESENT THEIR POINTS OF VIEW TO THE BOARD.
PLEASE NOTE IF THIS IS A COMMENT PERIOD, SO THE BOARD WILL NOT BE TAKING OR RESPONDING TO QUESTIONS DURING THIS STEP.
SO WITH THAT, UM, IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, UH, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
SEEING NONE, I WILL NOW ASK THE APPLICANT COME UP AND, UH, SAY A FEW WORDS.
UH, AND JOHN THOMAS, THOMAS ENGINEERING HERE IN NEWBURG.
UM, THANK YOU FOR SAVING ME FROM OBJECTING TO
UM, I THINK THAT, UH, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THE STAFF HAS DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF, UM, PRESENTING, YOU KNOW, OUR APPLICATION AND I'M, I'M TRYING TO RECALL WHAT GEORGE SAID ABOUT THE PARKING.
I GUESS THERE IS CONCERN WITH THE PARKING.
UM, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT PART OF IT, UM, THAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THE MAP OR WAS THERE NOT IF, IF I MIGHT HELP MR. CHAIR.
UM,
WHERE PEOPLE CAN BACK OUT ONTO THE STREET THAT THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS THAT, THAT BACKOUT STYLE PARKING AND THAT'S WHAT HE WAS BRINGING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION.
YOU SAID IT PROHIBITS THEM? YES, SIR.
UM, SO THE PARKING LOT, THE ORANGE STREET PARKING THAT WE'RE SHOWING IS NOT GOING TO BE PART OF THE STREETS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? UH, SO IT, IT APPEARS FROM THE MAP AND THIS VERSION IS, IS VERY SMALL, BUT WHEN, IF ONE WERE TO ZOOM IN, IT APPEARS THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY IS NARROW AND THAT THE PARKING SPACES ARE, ARE OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IS IT YOUR POSITION AT, YOU'RE TALKING AT THE UNITS? NO, SIR.
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UM, AND THERE ARE, I THINK SIX OTHER SATELLITE PARKING LOTS.THE BACKING OUT ONTO THE STREET IS PROHIBITED BY ONE OF THE PROVISIONS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
UM, WELL, THE INTENT WAS FOR THIS TO BE ON STREET PARKING AND THE, AND THE PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WE WERE READING THAT ALLOWED ON STREET PARKING, UH, GAVE VARIOUS SCENARIOS FOR THE, FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, THE PARALLEL PARKING ANGLE, PARKING ALL THE WAY UP TO 90 DEGREE PARKING, AND THAT'S THE ORDINANCE THAT WE WERE GOING ON.
AND THERE IS SOME OF THAT IN THE CITY AS WELL.
UM, AND YOU'VE APPROVED THEM BEFORE WITH ORANGE STREET PARKING.
NOW I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A A, AN ISSUE OR, OR NOT AS FAR AS I, I GUESS WE'RE STILL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OR NOT.
IS IT YOUR, IS IT YOUR POSITION THAT THE PARKING SPACES ARE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY? YES.
THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT WAS BECAUSE THE, THE PORTION, I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GONNA BE AN ISSUE TONIGHT, BUT THE, THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR ORANGE STREET PARKING, Y'ALL APPROVED ONE LAST WEEK TO HAVE ORANGE STREET PARKING IN THE PORTION THAT ALLOWS ORANGE STREET PARKING.
IT GIVES, UH, INFORMATION REGARDING PARALLEL PARKING, UH, ANGLE PARKING, EITHER 30 60 OR NINE DEGREE PARKING.
I THINK IN ORDER TO HAVE ON STREET PARKING PARALLEL OR ANGLE PARKING, THERE HAS TO BE A REQUEST TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN TO ADD THEM TO THE LIST OF STREETS THAT WOULD ALLOW SUCH PARKING.
I THINK THAT'S FURTHER INTO THAT SECTION, BUT I, I, I'VE NOT SEEN THAT TYPE OF PROCESS GO THROUGH.
UM, IT, IF IT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAN AND IT'S PERMITTED BY THE ORDINANCE, THEN IT'S WAS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ALLOWED.
UM, I'M, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1978, BUT I, YEAH, I MEAN, I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE READING FROM, BUT THE INTENT OF WHAT WE DID, UH, AFTER WE SPOKE WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS BEFORE THE LAST GO AROUND WHEN WE TABLED IT, WAS WE FELT LIKE WE NEEDED MORE PARKING, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE PLAN THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD THAT WAS GONNA BE PRESENTED TO YOU AT YOUR LAST MEETING, MET THE ORDINANCE WITH THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WE WERE PROVIDING IN FRONT OF THE UNITS.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE ADDED, UM, PAR ANOTHER PARKING SPACE IN FRONT OF THE UNITS, AND WE'VE ALSO ADDED ABOUT 60 SOME SPACES, UH, IN 90 DEGREE PARKING OFF OF THE STREETS IN, IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS FOR, FOR BASICALLY OVERFLOW PARKING.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, THE PARKING PLACES THAT WE HAVE IN THERE WORKS OUT A LITTLE BIT UNDER THREE AND A HALF PARKING SPACES PER UNIT, UM, WHICH IS PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD FOR MORE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TYPE.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
WE HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT CAN YOU BACK UP FROM A PARKING SPACE LIKE THIS ONTO A CITY STREET AND IF, IF YOU HAVE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE PARALLEL OR ANGLED ON A CITY STREET, DOES THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN HAVE TO THEN APPROVE THAT STREET HAVING THAT PARKING CAPABILITY? THOSE ARE THE TWO QUESTIONS WE STILL HAVE.
I'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE ANGLE PARKING.
UM, WHILE WE WAIT ON THAT, DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OTHER THAN PARKING AND THE, UH, TRASH QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
I I, I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION THAT WE DIDN'T ANSWER WAS IS THE AMENITY POOL.
WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT, MR. THOMAS, I, WE DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
YOU OH, I'M WAITING IF OH, I UNDERSTAND.
I FIGURE WE GOT ONE, ONE MORE QUESTION WE COULD ASK YOU, WHICH IS THE AMENITY POOL AREA THAT'S CALLED OUT IN THE PLAN.
YOU STATED IN THE RESPONSE BACK TO THE DRC THAT IT WAS FUTURE, IS THAT ACTUALLY FUTURE? BECAUSE ON THE PLAN IT SHOWS THAT AS NOT FUTURE AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
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AND WHICH, WHICH AREA ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE AMENITY POOL THAT IS NOT PART OF THE SUBDIVISION.THE AMENITY AREA THAT'S DESIGNATED FUTURE IS ABOVE THE CUL-DE-SAC TO THE LEFT OF THAT AREA.
IN THAT LITTLE TEXT IT SAYS FUTURE AMENITY AREA.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WHAT THEY'LL DO THERE IS, UH, LIKE WE DID ON THE OTHER OUT THERE, IS THEY'LL COME BACK WITH A SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR WHATEVER TYPE FACILITY THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT THERE.
IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
I GUESS I'M WONDERING WHY IT WAS ADDRESSED BY DRC IF IT WAS ACTUALLY OUTSIDE THE AREA THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AND WHY IT EVEN CAME UP IN THE COMMENTS AND QUESTION.
I HAVE THAT INFORMATION ON PARKING.
UM, SO MR. THOMAS, I'M REFERENCING SECTION 72 14 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR THE CITY OF NEW BERN.
UM, THIS SECTION TALKS ABOUT ANGLED PARKING.
IT SAYS AUTOMOBILES AND VEHICLES SHALL BE PARKED AT AN ANGLE OF 45 DEGREES WITH THE CURB OF THOSE STREETS OR PARTS OF STREETS DESCRIBED IN ANOTHER SECTION WHERE ANGLE PARKING IS ALLOWED.
UM, REFERENCING YOUR ATTENTION TO SECTION 72 15 ANGLED PARKING ZONES ESTABLISHED, AND THE ORDINANCE SETS OUT THREE ZONES WITHIN THE CITY WHERE ANGLE PARKING IS PERMITTED ON STREET.
UM, THAT'S BURN STREET, CERTAIN SECTIONS OF BURN STREET SECTIONS OF GEORGE STREET AND SECTIONS OF HANCOCK STREET.
AND THAT IS AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST FOR ON STREET PARKING.
SO, SO IN THIS CASE, UM, IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING HELPFUL, IF IT'S THE GOAL TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, GIVEN THE DENSITY HERE, WHICH IS PROBABLY APPROPRIATE, AS MR. THOMAS HAS INDICATED, UM, ONE REMEDY MAY BE TO, UM, ALTERNATE THE ORIENTATION OF THE PARKING SPACES SO THAT YOU DON'T BACK OUT ONTO THE STREET.
UM, PARALLEL PARKING MAY, MAY RESOLVE THE ISSUE AND WOULD CERTAINLY COMPLY, UM, WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ANY APPETITE FOR, WHAT I'M HEARING IS PARALLEL PARKING WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
UH, WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT FOR THIS, BUT WITH PARALLEL PARKING WITH THE AMOUNT OF LINEAR, UH, STREET THAT WE HAVE, THAT'S NOT ENCUMBERED BY DRIVEWAYS GOING INTO THE UNITS LIMITS, THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT WE COULD GET.
UM, NOW MY CLIENT IS WILLING TO GO BACK TO THE PARALLEL PARKING IF YOU DON'T WANT THE 90 DEGREE PARKING.
AND, UM, IT'D BE IN THE SAME AREAS BASICALLY AS WHERE THE 90 DEGREE PARKING IS NOW, BUT IT'S GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SPACES, PROBABLY LESS THAN HALF THAN WHAT WE PICKED UP IN THERE.
UH, EVEN AT THAT, UH, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE OVER THREE PARKING SPACES PER UNIT AVAILABLE FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE UNITS, AND WE'LL PROVIDE SOME OVERFLOW PARKING IN CASE, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE AT ANY PARTICULAR UNIT FOR ANYBODY VISITING.
AND IT'S, AND IT ALSO WILL BE SCATTERED AROUND SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE THERE.
WE JUST CONVERTED TO 90 PARALLEL PARKING AND ADJUSTER RIGHT OF WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT NOW AND FURTHER WE CAN, WE CAN, UM, IF YOU'D LIKE, CONDITIONED APPROVAL TO THAT AND WE'VE NOT DEVELOPED THE ACTUAL STREET DRAWINGS AND THE WARDEN SEW AND ALL THAT, UH, THAT WOULD SHOW UP IN THOSE DRAWINGS THAT WILL GO TO PUBLIC WORKS FOR THEM TO REVIEW ALONG WITH THE STORM WATER AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE DO ONCE WE START PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
AND MR. CHAIR, THIS BOARD DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, UM, SUCH THAT THE LANGUAGE THAT MR. THOMAS JUST ARTICULATED IS INCLUDED IN THAT CONDITION AND THAT ANY SUBSEQUENT DRAWINGS ARE REVIEWED BY THE APPROPRIATE CITY STAFF.
YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME EVERYBODY NEEDS TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE.
IT'S THE CITY AND YOU GUYS, UM, THIS JUST FEELS LIKE A DISCONNECT THERE, UM, TO ME.
UM, WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD ON THIS ITEM? WELL, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, DO NOT APPROVE THIS PLAN AS PRESENTED TO US, AND THAT WE ASK THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT TO GET BACK TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT THIS PARKING ISSUE.
AND ONCE IT'S RESOLVED, LET US US KNOW WHAT IT IS AND THEN WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER VOTE AT OUR NEXT MEETING OR SUBSEQUENT MEETING.
JUST TO BE CLEAR WITH YOUR, YOUR MOTION, MR. INGRAM, IS IT YOUR MOTION THAT THE GENERAL PLAN APPROVAL BE DENIED BECAUSE THE SATELLITE PARKING IS DEFICIENT?
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NOT BECAUSE THE, I I DIDN'T GIVE A REASON.SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE WAS A STATEMENT THAT WE CANNOT HAVE PARALLEL PARKING, OR I'M SORRY, ANGLED PARKING LIKE THIS, WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY BACKING OUT ONTO A STREET AND THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE PARKING, UH, ANGLED PARKING ON THIS STREET, ON THESE STREETS.
SO FOR THOSE TWO REASONS, I SUGGEST WE DO NOT APPROVE AND WE WAIT FOR THOSE ISSUES TO BE RESOLVED.
AND IF IT COMES BACK TO US, WE CAN ADDRESS IT AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.
IS THAT A GOOD MOTION?
WELL, IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE THERE WERE TWO ISSUES.
ONE IS THE ORDINANCE THAT STATES IF THERE'S ANGLED PARKING, YOU CAN'T BACK OUT ONTO A STREET.
SO THAT STILL IS BEING VIOLATED FROM, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY IT'S NOT BEING VIOLATED BY THE WAY THIS IS DRAWN.
IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? I, I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE.
I THINK THE, THE APPLICANT ALSO SAID THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO MODIFY THEIR APPLICATION TO ALLOW FOR PARALLEL PARKING.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS ANY BEARING ON YOUR MOTION.
WELL, I MEAN, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, BUT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THAT RATHER THAN GIVE A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL.
CAN I DIRECT A QUESTION TO MR. THOMAS REAL QUICK? ACTUALLY, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE NEED A SECOND.
AND THEN WE COULD DO A DISCUSSION.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
JAMIE'S GIVEN ME CONFUSED LOOKS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT SHE LIKES IT.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MOTION AS IT'S BEING ARTICULATED, CHECKS ALL THE BOXES.
SO I THINK MR. INGRAM'S MOTION MAY SATISFY THOSE ELEMENTS.
I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM.
UH, YOU KNOW, I AM JUST CURIOUS IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONDITIONAL, UM, ARRANGEMENT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP THEIR PROJECT STAY ON SCHEDULE.
I WOULD JUST WELCOME KNOWING A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THEIR PERSPECTIVE.
IF WE HAVE THE CONDITION, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, THE STEPS THAT WE'RE OUTLINING IN THE CONDITION.
I THINK I HEARD YOUR MOTION CORRECTLY IS
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON YET.
WE HAVEN THAT'SS THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR, MR. THOMAS, IT HAS NOT BEEN, IT'S THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
WELL, I WAS GONNA TRY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR Y'ALL.
IF Y'ALL WANNA LISTEN, PLEASE.
UM, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT AND WE'VE BEEN KICKING AROUND WITH STAFF FOR A YEAR NOW BECAUSE THIS ALSO WENT THROUGH, UM, SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND ALL THAT.
SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN A WHILE TRYING TO GET IT LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WHERE EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH IT.
AND WE, AND WE'RE STILL GOT A COUPLE ISSUES HANGING OUT THERE.
AND IN LIEU OF THE MOTION, WE WOULD ENTER, SUGGEST MAYBE CONTINUE IT IF THAT'S IN ORDER, UM, SO THAT WE COULD GET, WE'VE HEARD YOUR COMMENTS SO WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT CORRECTLY BY THE LAW AND THEN COME BACK AT OUR NEXT MEETING AFTER WE HAVE MET WITH EVERYBODY REGARDING THE PARKING.
AND I'M PRESUMING THAT THE PARKING IS THE MAJOR ISSUE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
UM, BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, WE THOUGHT WE WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE THE PLAN WE BROUGHT IN LAST TIME WAS AN APPROVABLE PLAN, BUT IN OUR OPINION,
SO WE WOULD BE FINE WITH ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO COME BACK TO Y'ALL WITH A PLAN THAT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH.
UM, WHAT IS THE, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO WITH YOUR MOTION HAVING HEARD THAT? I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM AND BRING IT BACK TO US AT THE NEXT MEETING IF HE SO DESIRES.
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MOTION NOW ON THE FLOOR IS NOT FOR DENIAL.THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR NOW IS TO CONTINUE THE GENERAL PLAN APPLICATION TO THE OCTOBER PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING.
ALLOWING THE APPLICANT TIME TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO WORK OUT ISSUES THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING.
MR. BURNELL, IS THAT YOUR SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT, YES.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM? NO.
UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT.
IT, UM, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, BUT I GUESS I KIND OF AM.
I I JUST, I WANT IT TO BE RIGHT.
SO IF THE CITY WANTS MORE PARKING, THEN THERE'S ONE OPTION.
IF THE CITY WANTS LESS PARKING, THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION.
YOU GUYS JUST, YOU KNOW, LET'S GET TOGETHER AND LET'S, LET'S GET THIS DONE.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH FOR A YEAR.
SO LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GET IT DONE AND WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL, WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTIONAL AT HAND, UH, SAY AYE.
[VI.B. Without Limits Christian Center, Inc., Rezoning]
ITEM.UM, WITHOUT LIMITS CHRISTIAN CENTER REZONING.
THIS ITEM FALLS UNDER A ZONING MAP AND ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS.
THIS BOARD HAS THE, HAS THE DECISION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO FINDING OF CONSISTENCY AND REASONABLENESS SATISFYING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH ANY COMPLE, COMPREHENSIVE OR APPLICABLE LAND USE PLANS OR TO, AND DETERMINE TO BE REASONABLE AND IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST OR RECOMMEND DENIAL IN FINDING OF INCONSISTENCY.
AND UNREASONABLENESS UNREASONABLENESS, WHICH IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN DENY THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT BASED ON FINDINGS THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH ANY COMPREHENSIVE OR APPLICATION LAND USE PLANS AND DETERMINE DETERMINED IT BE UNREASONABLE AND NOT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
THE EXISTING ZONING ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED ON MARCH 5TH, 1968, AFFECTED OF MARCH 15TH, 1968.
I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING.
SO, UH, KENDRICK, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR A STAFF UH, CONFERENCE.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, SECOND AND FINAL ITEM FOR TONIGHT.
THIS IS A REZONING STARTING WITH 0 0 2 9 4 5 DASH 2024.
THIS IS THE WITHOUT LIMITS CHRISTIAN CENTER, INC.
AND THE REQUEST SUMMARY HERE, THE APPLICANT, AGAIN WITHOUT LIMITS, CHRISTIAN CENTER, UH, INC.
AND ALSO, UH, MAY OR MAY NOT BE WITH OR ON BEHALF FOR JAMES MACGYVER.
UH, SENIOR PASTOR SLASH PRESIDENT.
THE OWNER IS WITHOUT LIMITS CHRISTIAN CENTER INC.
AND THE LOCATION IS, UH, NEW BOULEVARD AND KENSINGTON PARK DRIVE.
SO THE INTERSECTION THERE, UH, BETWEEN BOTH OF THOSE STREETS AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS RESIDENTIAL EIGHT OR R DASH EIGHT.
AND THE REQUEST TO CHANGE, UH, AS FAR AS FOR THE ZONING IS TO GO TO COMMERCIAL THREE.
AND THE PARCEL IDENTIFICATION NUMBER, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY IS EIGHT DASH 2 1 6 0 0 5.
AND THE ACTUAL SIZE, UH, IN ACCORDANCE TO THE PLAT MAP THAT'S RECORDED IS 7.50 TOTAL ACRES.
SO THE RESIDENTIAL EIGHT ZONING DISTRICT ANALYSIS, UH, JUST SIMPLY, UH, GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW, BUT THIS IS TO ACCOMMODATE FOR SINGLE, UH, TWO AND MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS.
UH, THIS IS THE, IT ACTUALLY ENCOURAGES THE CONTINUED USE FOR LAND, UH, USES PERTAINING TO RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES.
AND THE DISCOURAGE, OR IT DOES DISCOURAGE ANY USE WHICH WOULD GENERATE, UM, TRAFFIC ON MINOR STREETS OTHER THAN NORMAL TRAFFIC TO SERVE, UH, RESIDENCES ON THOSE STREETS.
IN COMPARISON TO THE COMMERCIAL THREE OR C3 ZONING DISTRICT, BASICALLY, UH, VERY MUCH THE OPPOSITE.
UM, THESE ARE LOCATIONS THAT TYPICALLY EXPERIENCE HIGH TRAFFIC.
THEY ALSO ENGAGE WITH DIFFERENT USES SUCH AS OFFICES, PERSONAL SERVICES, AND RETAILING OF, UH, CONVENIENCE LIKE GOODS.
AND THE USE COMPARISONS OR THE USES COMPARISON IS HERE.
I'LL JUST LET YOU BRIEFLY TAKE A MOMENT TO LOOK AT THAT.
BUT THIS SHOWS THE EXCHANGE AND DIFFERENCES OF WHAT USES ARE ALLOWED FOR THE R DASH EIGHT ZONING DISTRICT VERSUS THE COMPARISON.
UH, DISTRICT OF COMMERCIAL THREE.
AND FOLLOWING THAT IS OUR FIRST MAP HERE.
THIS IS THE VICINITY MAP FOR THE PROPERTY, AND IT IS HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN RED.
AND THAT IS FOLLOWED BY AGAIN, UH, OUR A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER, UH, ZONE OR AREA THAT WE TAKE FOR THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINES THERE.
NEXT IS THE AERIAL IMAGERY FOR THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S FOLLOWED AGAIN BY OUR ZONING DISTRICT, UM, OR EXCUSE ME, ZONING MAP.
AND THIS REFLECTS THE R DASH EIGHT ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THAT C3, UM, REFLECTION IS THE COLOR THAT'S RED THERE, THE DARKER RED.
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AND CURRENTLY THE NEXT, UH, NEEDED ACTION THERE IS THE ADOPTION OF THE CONSISTENCY STATEMENT FROM THE BOARD AND ALSO THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BOARD DERMAN.BUT IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL TAKE THOSE AT THIS TIME.
BOARD, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR KENDRICK? KENDRICK? ACTUALLY, I, I APOLOGIZE.
I THINK I HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE.
GO AHEAD MS. KENDRICK, CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC THAT THIS IS PART OF THE NEW BOULEVARD COMMERCIAL ENTRANCEWAY CORRIDOR? ABSOLUTELY.
IT IS WITHIN THE ACTUAL NEW BOULEVARD CORRIDOR OVERLAY.
UM, TYPICALLY THAT JUST ENGAGES WITH THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UH, USES OR SO ESSENTIALLY C3 TYPE AND STYLE OF USES.
SO ANY USES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR A C3 PENDING, LET'S SAY THIS REZONING WERE TO BE, UM, APPROVED OFFICIALLY, THOSE C3 USES THEN WOULD BE, UM, ABLE TO BE PLACED IN THAT CORRIDOR.
UM, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH US? ALRIGHT.
SEEING NONE, WE WILL GO TO ANY APPLICANT COMMENTS IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD, IF YOU DON'T, UM, IT'S, IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU.
WELL, I'LL JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR HAVING US ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING AND, UH, WE'RE JUST REALLY INTO PLANNING, PRAYING STAGES JUST FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF OUR MINISTRY.
UM, AND THAT, THAT IS, WE REALLY OWN THAT WHOLE BLOCK.
SO WHAT WE'RE ON IS ALREADY C3 AND THE GOAL PRAYERFULLY IS TO HAVE A BIG MULTIPURPOSE WHERE WE CAN DO JUST MORE CONTINUED, UM, COMMUNITY EVENTS AND SOME CHURCH EVENTS AND, UH, JUST TAKE THAT LAND AND JUST, UH, JUST USE IT FOR SOME BETTER THINGS THAN IT JUST SITTING THERE AT THIS TIME.
SO, UH, JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
UM, WHAT IS, UH, PLEASURE TO BOARD ON THIS ITEM.
BRAD, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, JUST CURIOUS IF, UM, THE TAX EXEMPTION STATUS WOULD BE IMPACTED AT ALL WITH THE REZONING? UM, YOU MEAN AS FAR AS THE MINISTRY PAYING TAXES ON THE PROPERTY? YEAH.
AS IT IS CURRENTLY UNDERNEATH THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
WOULD THERE BE ANY IMPACTS? WOULD THIS CHANGE TO A COMMERCIAL ZONING? SO, NO, I BELIEVE IT, EVERYTHING WAS SAID AS IS.
HOWEVER, I DON'T BELIEVE WE PAY TAXES ON THAT AT THIS TIME.
YEAH, SO WE, WE DON'T PAY ANY TAXES ON THAT.
WE, WHEN WE FIRST PURCHASED THE, UM, PROPERTY, THEY HAD TO FILL OUT A BUNCH OF INFORMATION.
WE HAD TO GO AND DO A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS, SO WE DON'T, SO THERE WILL, IT WON'T HAVE ANY, ANY IMPACT.
OF THE BOARD, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND FINDING OF CONSISTENCY AND REASONABLENESS TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
ANY DISCUSSION? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, UH, ALL THOSE OPPOSED OR ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU SIR.
UM, COLLECT TO THE BOARD OF ALMOND, UH, I THINK THEY'LL DO, DO YOU WELL, UM,
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NEW BUSINESS, IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS TO THE BOARD? I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.WELL, I GUESS A COUPLE OF ITEMS. THE FIRST IS THE RULES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE APPROVED AT THE LAST MEETING.
CAN WE GET A FINAL 'CAUSE I THINK THEY WERE STILL IN FLUX.
CAN WE GET A FINAL COPY OF THOSE FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS? YES.
SO WE, KENDRICK AND I LOOKED AT 'EM THIS EVENING AND I SIGNED THEM.
I'LL, I'LL SEND 'EM EVERYBODY EVENING.
UM, THE, THE OTHER ITEM I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME, WHICH IS, UH, PARKING IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN, WHICH IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE AND ALWAYS A SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION IN SOME CONSTERNATION IN, IN SOME CIRCLES.
UM, NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR RULES AND PROCEDURES, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NOW FOR A FEW MONTHS IS HAVING A PARKING COMMITTEE THAT WOULD START, UH, LOOKING AT THE PARKING, NOT, NOT SUGGESTING THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE, NOT SUGGESTING THAT EVERYTHING IS OKAY, BUT JUST SUGGESTING AS PART OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, WE WOULD TAKE IT ON TO LOOK AT PARKING IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN TO ASSESS, UM, WHAT IS NEEDED, IS THERE AN ISSUE, WHAT KINDS OF RECOMMENDATIONS COULD BE MADE TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN? AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN ARE NOT ASKING US TO DO THIS, BUT IF WE DID IT, WE WOULD BE TAKING IT ON, UM, AS A BOARD AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEM.
UM, SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A PARKING COMMITTEE, UH, MADE UP OF MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD
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LIMITED TO FOUR OR LESS, SO IT'S NOT A QUORUMSO WE CAN HAVE MEETINGS, ET CETERA.
UH, UH, BOARD MEMBER DEARING AND, UH, BRAD AND MYSELF HAVE MET A COUPLE OF TIMES TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
UM, AND SO MAYBE THE THREE OF US COULD DO THAT.
AND IF ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE BOARD WANTED TO BE PART OF THAT PARKING COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD CERTAINLY JUST LET US KNOW AND THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ESTABLISH A PARKING COMMITTEE AS PART OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, AND, UH, THAT WE WOULD ACT INDEPENDENTLY AND BRING BACK ANY INFORMATION AND ASSESSMENTS.
WE GET BACK TO THE BOARD FOR POTENTIAL PASSING TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN WORKING GROUP.
NOT, I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO SAY THAT.
I WAS GONNA SAY, COULD YOU PLEASE CHANGE IT TO WORKING GROUP? UH, I, UH, LET ME CHANGE MY MOTION TO ESTABLISHING A PARKING WORKING GROUP, UH, AMONGST THE BOARD, THE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
RUSTY, QUICK POINT OF DISCUSSION ON THAT.
DO WE, UH, DO WE KNOW HOW THAT WOULD EITHER PARALLEL THE RE NEWBURN EFFORT OR, UM, INTERSECT THE NEWBURN EFFORT? UM, AND MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR ROBERT TOO.
WELL, MY ANTICIPATION OF THAT IS THE, THE TWO THINGS WERE SOMEONE IT DEPENDENT, UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS AS A GROUP UP TO THIS POINT, IS THE FIRST PART OF THIS IS ASSESSING, YOU KNOW, IS THERE AN ISSUE? WHAT KINDS OF THINGS ARE HAPPENING WITH THE PARKING AREAS IN, IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN? AND NOT JUST DOWNTOWN, BUT IN OTHER AREAS POTENTIALLY AS WELL.
AND MY EXPECTATION IS, IS THAT WHATEVER WE FIND, WHATEVER WE THINK WOULD HAVE TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAND USE, THE LAND USE PLAN, OR THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
SO I WOULD THINK THOSE TWO THINGS ARE SEPARATE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE PARKING COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD HAVE TO RELY ON WHATEVER GETS APPROVED.
IS THERE ANYTHING BEING LOOKED AT OR, UM, RESEARCHED AS PART OF THE ONGOING RENEW BURN EFFORT WITH PARKING? PARKING STANDARDS ARE BEING LOOKED AT.
EVERY SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE IS BEING REEVALUATED.
UH, AND TO SPEAK ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THAT ORDINANCE, UH, FINDINGS ON THE WORK GROUP ITSELF, UH, WHATEVER THEY FIND OR RECOMMEND MAY NOT HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE NEW ORDINANCE.
HOWEVER, IF THE ALDERMAN DIRECTED CHANGES PRIOR TO THAT ORDINANCE BEING ADOPTED, WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO REVISIT EVERYTHING.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION ITSELF WOULDN'T, BUT IF THERE WERE PHYSICAL CHANGES TO THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, WE WOULD HAVE TO REEVALUATE WHATEVER WAS CHANGED FOR THE NEW ORDINANCE.
MY ANTICIPATION OF THIS WORKING GROUP IS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PROPOSING NEW STANDARDS FOR PARKING.
AND THINGS THAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE WOULD BE IN A LAND USE ORDINANCE DOCUMENT MORE ALONG THE LINES OF DO WE NEED MORE PARKING? DO WE NEED A PARKING STRUCTURE? ARE WE GOOD WITH THE PARKING WE HAVE? DO WE NEED TO CHANGE ANY OTHER ORDINANCES AROUND, YOU KNOW, TIMES FOR PARKING? YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE PARKING SITUATION AND SAY, DO WE REALLY HAVE ANY ISSUES ANYMORE? OR DO WE, ARE WE GOOD WITH WHERE WE ARE? I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK IT'S, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS, BUT IT'S MORE OF A PLANNING, LOOKING AT IT MORE FROM A PLANNING FOR THE CITY, UH, PERSPECTIVE.
BUT IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, YOU KNOW, AND I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW IT'S A PRETTY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO BE MM-HMM.
AND SO PERHAPS THERE'S SOME MILESTONES OR SCHEDULE CONSIDERATIONS THAT COULD ALIGN THAT IF THE WORKING GROUP HAS INPUTS OR DISCUSSION TOPICS THAT IT COULD BE INCORPORATED WHILE THAT WHOLE PROCESS IS OPENED UP.
UM, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S NOT DUPLICATIVE OF ANYTHING THAT THE OVERALL PROCESS IS ALREADY DOING.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT, I THINK IF THIS WERE TO BE ESTABLISHED, UM, WHEN THAT DRAFT LAND USE ORDINANCE COMES OUT, UM, THERE COULD BE SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT WE MAY FIND RELATIVELY QUICKLY ENOUGH TO GET THEM MAYBE INCORPORATED AS ROBERT SAYS, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE MAKE SOME, OR WE MAYBE THE, UM, THE WORKING GROUP MAKES SOME SUGGESTIONS TO THE, UH, CONSULTANT.
MAYBE THE CONSULTANT THINKS THEY'RE GOOD AND HE PUTS 'EM IN AND THEN MAYBE THAT THEN GETS PASSED.
UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
I, I AGREE WITH, UH, WITH, WITH RUSTY, THERE, THERE IS A SENTIMENT TO THE CITIZENS THAT THERE IS A PARKING PROBLEM.
THERE IS MUCH LESS CLARITY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE DO.
UH, AND I THINK THIS, I BEL I THINK THAT OUR WORKING GROUP WITH THE, THE TALENT THAT WE HAVE ON THIS BOARD COULD GO FIND THAT OUT AND PERHAPS GET THE CITIZENS A GOOD ANSWER AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE DO.
AND THEN IF WE DO, THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEN IT'S
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ON TO THE BOARD OF ALMAN TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS OR NOT.THAT WOULD BE THEIR PREROGATIVE.
UM, BUT I, I, I THINK SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE NEEDS TO COME UP WITH SOME DATA TO HELP THE CITIZENS UNDERSTAND IF THERE IS, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE MARKED.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE.
AND MR. CHAIR, I'M GOING TO INSERT MY SOUNDBITE THAT I SAY EVERY TIME THIS COMES UP.
UM, GENERALLY IT IS PRUDENT TO SEEK THE ADVICE OR DIRECTION FROM THE GOVERNING BOARD BEFORE UNDERTAKING THESE ACTIONS.
AND I UNDERSTAND IN MR. INGRAM'S RECITATION, UM, WHY HE'S MAKING THE MOTION AT THIS JUNCTURE UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT HELPFUL NOTE IN YOUR HEARING, UM, SO THAT YOU MIGHT REFLECT UPON THAT AND USE THAT INFORMATION TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU FIND IT USEFUL.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS TO BE DISCUSSED? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, UH, STAFF
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COMMENTS? ANY STAFF COMMENTS? SO JUST TO ADD BRIEFLY TO, SO KIND OF MAKE THE BOARD AWARE.SO THE NEXT MEETING WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO, UH, HAVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM FOR YOU HAVE THE ITEM THAT WAS CONTINUED TONIGHT IN ADDITION TO THE RABURN CROSSING THAT WILL, BOTH OF THOSE SHOULD BE ON FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
IF SOMETHING CHANGES, OF COURSE THE AGENDA AS IT GETS SENT OUT A WEEK AND ADVANCE, YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE AGENDA.
UM, BUT JUST TRY TO MAKE YOU GUYS AWARE JUST SO YOU HAVE MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S COMING.
SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT FROM ME.
NO OTHER STAFF COMMENTS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.