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I WOULD, UM, LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING OF THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO ORDER.UM, AND THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS, STATEMENTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE BEFORE WE GO TO, UM, THE ROLL CALL.
AND, UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE'D LIKE TO GIVE OUR SINCERE CONDOLENCES TO, UM, OUR COMMISSIONER, GRETCHEN D ON THE DEATH OF HER MOTHER.
WE'RE SO SORRY ABOUT YOUR MOM.
AND THEN ALSO TOO ON, UH, THE DEATH OF BUZZY STUBBS.
CAROL STUBBS, OF COURSE, WAS A MEMBER, BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ANNOUNCE THAT SHE HAS SUBMITTED HER, HER RESIGNATION TO THIS BOARD.
UM, WITH EVERYTHING THAT SHE'S GOT GOING ON, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND.
I HAVE HAD THE CHANCE TO SPEAK TO HER AND SHE WANTS TO STILL BE ENGAGED.
SHE'S HAPPY TO, TO HELP US IN ANY WAY.
BUT, UM, I DID WANT TO LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT, UH, THIS WILL BE, GO BACK TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN AND THEY WILL LOOK UNDERNEATH THE RESTAURANT.
AND I BELIEVE, UM, THERE WERE TWO NAMES THAT ARE LEFT ON THIS LIST.
SO JUST IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, ONE IS MY HUSBAND, STEVE ENGLE.
AND HE HAS, UM, DENIED HE WOULD NOT WISH TO SERVE AT THIS TIME.
HE'S GOT ENOUGH FOR LISTENING TO ME.
HE DOESN'T NEED TO LISTEN TO ME THAT MUCH MORE, BUT, SO I BELIEVE THE OTHER NAME THAT WAS ON THERE WAS MIKE GLENN WAS THE OTHER RESTAURATEUR.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF THAT.
WOULD THAT BEING SAID, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE, PAUL? SURE.
I DO NOT HAVE THE ROLL CALL SHEET, BUT I WILL USE THIS STUFF IN MISS.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE THROUGH THIS PART PRETTY QUICK SO WE CAN HAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR OUR PRESENTATIONS TODAY.
SO NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 20TH MEETING, AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS REALLY READ THROUGH THE
SO IF THAT BE THE CASE, I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE.
WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
ON, SO, UH, BY GRETCHEN, AM I GONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
AND YOUR PACKET IS THE FINANCE REPORT.
KIM, I'M GONNA TURN THAT OVER TO YOU.
SO THE FIRST PAGE THAT YOU HAVE IS THE, AT THE TOP IT SAYS PROVISIONAL COMPARATIVE BALANCE SHEET.
UM, THIS TAKES A LOOK AT OUR ASSETS, LIABILITIES AND GIVES US THE NET POSITION.
UM, IT HAS THE 2023 FOR COMPARATIVES 2024.
WE ARE IN THE, TOWARDS THE END OF OUR AUDIT.
SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE, SHOULD BE CLOSE TO BEING, UH, FINALIZED.
THIS SHOULD BE PRETTY ACCURATE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY, UM, IT, WE HAVE A TOTAL NET POSITION RIGHT NOW AT $2,070,400.
IF WE MOVE ON TO THE, IN THE DETAILS BEHIND THAT, UM, YOU'LL SEE IN THE, IN THE DETAILED REPORT OF ALL THE TRANSACTIONS.
BUT IF YOU MOVE TO THE NEXT REPORT, THAT IS A BUDGET TO ACTUAL ACROSS THE TOP IS OF SEPTEMBER 30TH, THAT ALSO HIT THE 2023, ACTUAL 2024 ESTIMATE.
AND THEN 2 25 IN 2024, WE ADDED $350,535 TO THE, UM, TO THE FUND BALANCE ENDING WITH $2,091,031.
YOU'VE GOT A TOTAL OF REVENUE OF $46,056 SO FAR, AND EXPENDITURES TOTALING $66,687.
CHANGING THAT POSITION FOR THIS AT THIS TIME IS, UM, UM, $20,000,631 OF EXPENDITURES OVER REVENUE.
SO YOUR CURRENT BALANCE WOULD BE 2,070,400.
AND AGAIN, THAT DETAIL IS PROVIDED AS WELL FOR YOU.
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I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, AND I, I KNOW THE CITY DOES AS THIS IS PART OF THE CITY, BUT THESE EXTRA FUNDS FUND BALANCES ARE INVESTED, CORRECT? YES.SO WE GET SOME THAT'S WHERE THE, THE INTEREST INCOME COMES FROM, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND WE ACTUALLY INVEST, UM, WITH NC CLASS AND THEN ALSO WITH NCT.
UM, WHEN WAS THE, THAT PARKING CHANGED TO KIOSK PARKING THAT WAS CHANGED FOR, FOR THE PARKING LOT OVER BESIDE CITY HALL? THAT, THAT STARTED IN OCTOBER OF 2023.
SO THEN, UM, THAT I NOTICED, UM, AN INCREASE IN THE PARKING REVENUE, SO THAT'S, YES.
UM, SO YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, SO I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW IN THE YEAR THAT THAT HAS OCCURRED, WE ACTUALLY GENERATED $3,000 MORE IN INCOME THAN WE NORMALLY WOULD WITH THE LEASE LOT.
SO OVER $10,000, UH, GENERATED OFF THAT VERSUS THE 7,000 THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY RECEIVE ON THE, UM, CHANGES IN THAT POSITION, BUDGET AND ACTUAL MM-HMM,
THE HEADER SAYS ESTIMATE WE MOVE BACK THE ACTUAL AT THIS POINT.
'CAUSE I DON'T CHANGE THAT TO ACTUAL UNTIL WE ARE FINALIZED WITH OUR AUDIT.
AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO MORE ENTRIES THAT THE AUDITOR MAY FIND.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, THE DEBT SERVICE REPORT, WHICH SHOWS THE, UM, TWO LOANS THAT ARE OUT.
WE HAVE THEM PAYING OFF AND FY 27 28.
THEY BOTH HAVE A TOTAL BALANCE OF 290 2007, 19, AND 70.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR KIM ON THE FINANCIAL REPORT QUESTION? ANYTHING HEALTHY, HEALTHY? I REMEMBER THE DAYS AND WE MIGHT HAVE HAD $80,000 IN THAT ACCOUNT.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE FINANCIAL REPORT? ALRIGHT, SO JOHNNY AND JOHN, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BROKEN, WE'RE GONNA GET TO OUR INTER COURT SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS.
YOU KNOW, WE BROKE INTO, UM, COMMITTEES AND I REALLY THINK IT'S BEEN GREAT 'CAUSE I GOT A CHANCE FOR PEOPLE TO WORK WITH ONE ANOTHER.
I'VE GOTTEN REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK ABOUT HAVING THE SUBCOMMITTEES AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL, UM, GET US TO A POINT WHERE WE COULD MAKE SOME DECISIONS.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE GONNA DIVE RIGHT INTO THE REPORT.
SO I'M GONNA START WITH, UM, THE TRASH SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD, OR WOULD YOU RATHER DO IT SINCE MICHAEL LEE HAS SERVICE? YES.
OH, I'M DIGITALLY CHALLENGED, SO, OKAY.
SO FOR THE, FOR THE VIEWERS AT HOME, WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE BEAUTIFICATION SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND THAT WAS MADE UP OF, UH, MICHAEL LEE AND, UH, GRETCHEN.
SO WE WALKED THIS WHOLE INNER CORE AND WHAT, AND SO WE'RE KIND OF BEGINNING HERE IN BEAR PLAZA, YOU CAN SEE THE KIOSK AND WE WERE THINKING IT WOULD BE GOOD TO, TO, UH, CREATE A SECOND ONE OVER ON CRAVEN STREET, UM, TO CONTINUE IT.
AND HERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LEFT SIDE OF THE INNER CORE.
WE WERE THINKING IT WOULD BE NICE TO BRICK THIS WHOLE, MOST OF IT, UH, PATH, KEEP ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING.
AND THEN THE BRICKS, UH, CREATE LIKE A, UM, WHAT'S IT CALLED? A TABLE? WHAT? UM, IT'S CALLED A, IT'S A SORT OF A RISE IN THE BRICK.
IT'S CALLED, UM, IT'S THE, YOU USED A DIFFERENT TERM ON WHAT
TABLE IS LARGER AND YOU CAN DRIVE OVER.
SO CRAIG, THIS AREA IS A SPEED TABLE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, CITY PROPERTY STOPS AT THE BRICK WALL OR THAT CEMENT WALL JUST TO THE LEFT OF THAT TREE.
SO, AND THEN AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THE TREE, BUT THESE LITTLE RISES HERE, THE CURBS, ALL OF THAT WOULD COME OUT.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HERE THE SIDEWALK AS YOU'RE GETTING TOWARDS CRAVEN STREET.
AND WE WANTED TO EXTEND THE SIDEWALK FROM WHERE IT IS TO THE LEFT AND
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TAKE ALL THOSE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE TO THE LEFT AND CREATE A BRICK, UH, TO CREATE A BRICK WALKWAY.THIS WOULD, UM, BE SORT OF ROUNDED OUT WITH BRICKS AND AS YOU'RE COMING, AS CARS WOULD BE COMING AROUND OVER HERE TOWARDS MORGAN'S AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ARROW, THE DIRECT CARS TO UH, TURN TO THE LEFT.
WE WOULD WANT THEM TO GO THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO TURN TO THE RIGHT, GO AROUND AND, UM, ELIMINATE THIS ARROW BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE BRICKS WOULD BE GOING ALL THE WAY TO CRAVEN STREET.
AND HERE YOU'D BE DRIVING IN HERE, SO YOU'D BE COMING IN HERE NEXT TO MORGAN'S DRIVE UP.
I'M TRYING TO GO FAST BECAUSE I KNOW I ONLY HAVE 10 MINUTES HERE.
THIS COULD ALL BE PAID PARKING SO YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, GO BY THE HOUR FOR THIS PARKING.
AND UM, YEAH, I GUESS I'M GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE ON WHAT? YEAH, SO THE PARKING, THE SIDEWALK TO THE, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT LARGER.
LEMME SEE WHAT ELSE I GOT HERE.
OKAY, SO HERE WE ARE ON CRAVEN STREET WHERE WE WOULD PUT THAT SECOND KIOSK.
AND I THINK TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE GAZEBO, THE GAZEBO GAZEBO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO OPEN UP CRAVEN STREET FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO EXPLORE CRAVEN STREET A LITTLE BETTER.
AND HERE THE, THE, UH, SIDEWALK WOULD BE FROM WHERE IT IS OVER TO THOSE PARKING SPACES.
AND THEN OVER HERE BY THE POLO WALL THAT WOULD BE MORE LANDSCAPING AND WE COULD DO LIKE A LITTLE, UH, PLAYGROUND OR SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE.
AND OF COURSE WE'RE COMING IN THE OTHER SIDE.
YOU CAN SEE HOW NARROW THAT SIDEWALK IS NOW.
AND THIS IS HOW UGLY IT LOOKS.
I MEAN, IT'S REALLY HARD TO WALK THAT THING.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE TREE JUST HOW BEAUTIFUL THE TREE IS.
I MEAN IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD THAT, A BIG WIDE BRICK PATHWAY SO THAT YOU COULD, WE COULD JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT TREE.
AND AGAIN, ALL OF THAT WOULD DISAPPEAR, UH, BECAUSE IT WOULD ALL BE BRICKED AND FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION AS YOU'RE HEADING TOWARDS BEAR PLAZA AT CRAVEN STREET.
IT COULD JUST BE JUST A NICE BRICKED AREA FROM THERE.
AND THEN, OKAY, SO AS YOU'RE COMING AROUND MORGAN'S, INSTEAD OF TURNING TO THE LEFT, WE WOULD TURN TO MAKE CARS TURN TO THE RIGHT AND GO AROUND THE OTHER DIRECTION AND JUST A LITTLE WIDER VIEW OF WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ALL THIS SPACE WHERE IT'D BE EASY TO, TO TURN AROUND AS YOU'RE HEADING TOWARDS EXITING.
AND THEN YOU'RE GETTING BACK TOWARDS THE SPEED TABLE, WHICH IS WHERE BEAR PLAZA WOULD EMPTY INTO THAT BIG TREE.
AND WE'RE JUST MOVING ON FORWARD.
AND HERE, THIS IS A LITTLE BOTTLENECK RIGHT HERE.
SO THAT WOULD BE GONE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE BRICKED AND THEN YOU JUST EXIT, GO OVER HERE.
THIS OTHER DUMPSTER IS OVER HERE BY, UM, MITCHELL HARDWARE.
AND YEAH, THIS WOULD JUST BE ALL GONE AND WE COULD DO SOME SORT OF A BRICK CIRCLE AROUND THAT BIG TREE, WHICH WOULD BE REALLY PRETTY TO DECORATE THE BRICK IN A SPECIFIC WAY.
AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE ALL THIS GONE BECAUSE THIS IS JUST REALLY UGLY, I GUESS THERE USED TO BE TREES THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
SO ANYWAY, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? RIGHT, YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA HIGHLIGHT, SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE WERE TASKED WITH LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY AS SHE MENTIONED THE WALKWAY.
SO KEY THING HERE WOULD BE WE WANT TO ESSENTIALLY MATCH THIS THE SIZE OF THE WALKWAY FROM BEAR PLAZA ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CRAVEN.
UM, AND THEN THAT REALLY IS, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL BEAUTY SHED.
AND YOU CAN SEE WITH THE TREE IT REALLY IS, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, WE WERE ALSO TASKED BY LOOKING AT LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE.
AND SO A RECOMMENDATION WAS TO TRY AND MATCH THE LIGHTING THAT'S USED ON CRAVEN STREET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, UM, WE, YEAH, THEN WE WERE, UH, LOOKING FOR THE LOCATION FOR THE ART SCULPTURE.
IF WE CREATE A SECOND GAZEBO, WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A APPROPRIATE PLACE TO POTENTIALLY PUT THE, THE, UM, ART SCULPTURE FOR GREG SMITH IN THAT AREA THERE.
UM, AND THEN SCREENING OF THE COMPACTOR ARE THE, UH, WHATEVER THE, THE TRASH
WE WERE ALSO TASKED WITH OR SUGGESTED
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TO TALK TO, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO SEE IF THAT WAS GONNA BE IMPACTING THE HPC GUIDELINES AT ALL.UM, SO WE HAD VERY GOOD MEETING WITH MATT, SHELLY AND, UH, WALKED THE AREA THERE.
UM, HPC IS, IS CONCERNED WITH, UM, CHANGES TO BUILDINGS OR THE HISTORICAL ASPECT OF A PROPERTY.
A PARKING LOT IS, DOES NOT HAVE A HISTORICAL ASPECT TO IT.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING ANY BUILDINGS THERE.
UM, SO HE SAID ADDING A SECOND GAZEBO AREA COVERED BENCH AREA, THAT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM.
THE ONLY THING WE COULD NOT DO WOULD BE IF WE WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING UP ON THE, THE WALL OF THE POLO'S PROPERTY THERE, UM, YOU COULD NOT PAINT THE BRICK AND YOU COULD NOT COVER UP ANY ARCHITECTURAL ASPECTS TO THAT BUILDING, BUT IT WAS RECOMMENDING THAT WE WANTED TO DO MURALS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU PUT THEM ON CANVAS, SO THAT WOULD BE REMOVABLE.
AND UM, FROM THERE, THE OTHER THING HE DID POINT OUT IS THERE IS A, UM, HEIGHT LIMIT FOR, UM, FENCING OR SCREENING.
IT'S A SIX FEET MAXIMUM FOR A BRICK OR WOOD OR WHATEVER TYPE OF FENCING YOU'RE USING.
IF YOU WANT TO GO TALLER THAN THAT, YOU WOULD NEED TO USE LANDSCAPING WAS HIS RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN ON TERMS OF LIGHTING, HE WAS RECOMMENDING USING A SPECIFIC TYPE OF GLOBE BULB THAT SHINES DOWN SO THAT INSTEAD OF SHINING UP INTO THE SKY, THE LIGHT WOULD SHINE DOWN ONTO THE WALKWAY ITSELF.
UM, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT I SUPPOSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AWARE OF.
UM, THE OTHER, UH, THING WE TALKED ABOUT WERE THE SANDWICH BOARDS.
UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S PART OF SIGNAGE AND WHATNOT.
YOU SAID SIGNAGE IS RELATED TO ZONING.
UM, BUT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING IN SOME KIND OF A PERMANENT STRUCTURE WHERE PEOPLE COULD PUT ADVERTISEMENTS ON AS OPPOSED TO SO MANY SANDWICH BOARDS AND POTENTIALLY ONE IN EACH OF THE GAZEBOS.
UM, AND HE MADE A GOOD COMMENT.
WE SHOULD PUT IN LIKE AN INTERACTIVE MAP ON THERE SHOWING WHERE THINGS ARE.
I THINK THERE IS SOME, JUST TO UPDATE A LITTLE BIT, I KNOW TDA AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME THINGS WITH SWISSAIR AND THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS COUNCIL ALSO FOR SOME KIND OF ELECTRONIC WAVE BINDING WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO SOME CITIES IT SAYS YOU ARE HERE.
YOU COULD TAP ON IT AND IT WOULD TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.
AND I, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THE SANDWICH WORKS, THEY ARE UNSIGHTLY, BUT THEY'RE, UH, BASICALLY THEY'RE NOT ADVERTISEMENTS.
THEY'RE TELLING YOU THAT BUSINESS IS THERE.
YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN THE SANDWICH BOARDS.
NO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING I LIKE THE KIOSK.
I DON'T LIKE, BUT TRYING TO SAY WE WOULD GET RID OF SANDWICH BOARDS.
WE, WE COULD ALL ADVERTISE IN ONE PLACE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE MERCHANTS WOULD BUY THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE SAYING, HELLO, MY SHOP'S OPEN.
THEY'RE PUTTING A SANDWICH BOARD OUT IN FRONT OF THEIR SHOP SAYING MY STORE'S OPEN.
I MEAN, I'D RATHER GET RID OF ALL OF THEM, BUT I KNOW HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT, BUT THAT WAS JUST A DISCUSSION THERE THAT WE HAD REGARDING THAT.
UM, THE ISSUE WITH THE SANDWICH BOYS IS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOUR, YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED ONE.
BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A ZONING ISSUE.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY, THEY DEAL WITH.
UM, I THINK, I THINK THAT WERE THE OTHER, WE DID TALK ABOUT SOME SORT OF KIOSK OVER AT, UM, THE FARMER'S MARKET AS WELL.
SO THERE WOULD POSSIBLY BE THREE.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA STAY CONFINED TO WELL, I WAS FOCUSES INNER CORE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS IT.
SO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD.
CAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION THEN? CAN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO, UM, JUST GO BACK TO CRAVEN STREET WHERE, WHERE WE SEE THE CRAVEN STREET, THE, THE THE WIDE IMAGE WITH THE TREE, UM, OH.
UM, SO IS IT YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE THE, THE THE POTENTIAL NEW GAZEBO MATCH? THE OLD GAZEBO I A PIC? YEAH.
WELL, OR EVERY SITE IS SMALLER JUST BECAUSE IT'S, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT FOR UNIFORMITY.
UH, THE OTHER PICTURE WE LOOKING FROM CRAVEN STREET.
LOOKING FROM CRAVEN STREET, THE OTHER DIRECTION.
AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND.
SO EVERYTHING ON THE LEFT, UH, ONE IS YOUR, FROM THE, FROM THE EDGE, THE RIGHT EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK, ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE, THE END OF THE PARKING LOT LINES ON THIS FIRST THING THAT, THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY BRICK, BRICK WALK PROCESS.
AND THEN FROM THERE OVER THAT'S LANDSCAPING.
WE'RE GETTING RID OF ALL THAT PARKING.
I THINK WHAT WILL HELP EVERYONE IS WE CAN, WE CAN COME UP WITH A, A RENDERING OF, OF WHAT I'VE JUST HEARD FROM YOU.
SO EVERYBODY CAN ACTUALLY SEE THIS, RIGHT? YES.
AND, AND SO WE'LL ALSO, WE WILL JUST GET WITH OUR STAFF TO DO THIS.
AND, AND WE'VE HEARD EVERYTHING YOU SAID ON, ON THE TAPE, SO WE'LL, WE'LL GO BACK AND WE CAN HAVE THAT.
WE DIDN'T WAIT TO HEAR WHAT THE PARKING PEOPLE IN THE, NOW WE'VE GOT OUR FULL TOGETHER.
OH, THE OTHER THING THAT SHELLY DID SAY IS WE HAVE TO SAVE THE LANDSCAPING.
SO IN ALL CASES WE CANNOT REMOVE LANDSCAPING.
SO EVERYTHING WE SHOULD TRY TO MAINTAIN
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ALL THE LANDSCAPING.KEEP THE TREES, KEEP THE TREES.
WELL I CAN UNDERSTAND THE TREES, BUT LIKE THOSE BRICK, YOU KNOW, SH OH NO, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE TREES.
OKAY, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF KEEPING THE, THE BIG, UM, THE TREES, BUT THE, UM, THE, THE C CREEK MYRTLES, YOU, THEY SUGGESTED KEEPING THOSE BECAUSE YEAH, THEY KIND OF GREAT MYRTLES.
THAT ONE DOES, BUT SOME OF THOSE DON'T LOOK GOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST REALLY NOT BEEN MAINTAINED.
SO THERE IS A, THERE IS A TREE ORDINANCE IN THE CITY AND, AND NONE OF THOSE TREES ARE, ARE DEEMED HAZARDOUS OR, OR OR DEAD OR DYING.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THE CITY WILL TAKE A TREE OUT IF IT'S DEAD.
WELL MY POINT IS, IF YOU CAN EXPAND THE SIDEWALK MM-HMM.
SO CAN YOU RELOCATE 'EM OR REPLACE 'EM? WELL I THINK YOU COULD THEN, YOU KNOW, PUT BENCHES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AROUND THEM TO MAKE IT SO IT'S MORE INTERACTIVE AND KEEP SO YOU CAN KEEP THE LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S KIND OF THE THOUGHT OF.
AND YOU HAVE THIS REALLY LARGE TREE THAT'S OVER HERE AT THE END OF BEAR PLAZA THAT NO ONE'S, YOU DON'T REALLY SEE IT SO WELL, BUT IT KIND OF CREATES THIS LITTLE CANOPY.
SO AS YOU'RE GOING OVER THE SPEED TABLE TO YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TOWARDS MITCHELL HARDWARE, YOU'RE KIND OF GOING UNDER THAT LITTLE CANOPY OF THOSE TWO TREES.
THOSE WHICH ARE KIND OF NON, YOU DON'T EVEN REALLY SEE THAT TREE.
THE, UM, I GOT TWO OTHER QUESTIONS IF I CAN.
UM, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES, YOU SAID THAT ONE SIDE OF THAT PARKING LOT, THE CITY PARKING LOT WOULD BE REMOVED, RIGHT? SO ONLY ONE HALF OF THE EXISTING PARKING WOULD REMAIN.
IS THAT IT'S NOT QUITE, THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY SPACES THAT WOULD IMPACT.
I THINK THERE'S, WHAT DID I SAY? 10 ON EACH SIDE.
UH, FOSTER, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE MORE THAN 10 BECAUSE I WAS, WAS IT 20? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT MORGAN'S HAS TWO SIDES AND I THOUGHT THEY HAD 20 SPACES.
BUT I THINK IT'S, SO YOU'D HAVE THIS SIDE FOR PARKING, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'D COME IN AND YOU COULD PARK HERE 2211 ASIDE.
BUT THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE'D TAKE AWAY 11 I GUESS PLUS 11, THE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THERE.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE WOULD, ARE YOU TOTALLY CLOSING OFF THE ONE? WELL FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO CLOSE OFF A WHOLE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE NOW WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ALL OF OUR, UH, VERY MARY EVENTS AND EVERYTHING THEY SPILL OUT INTO, INTO MIDDLE STREET.
NOW IF WE CONTINUE ALL THE WAY TO CRAVEN STREET, NOW IT'S SPILLING INTO THE REST OF BEAR PLAZA, WHICH WILL BE EXPENDED TO CRAVEN STREET.
SO, SO SO YOU ARE ELIMINATING ONE SIDE OF THE PARKING? WE WOULD LIKE TO, THAT WAS MY SUGGESTION.
AND THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT WE WOULD EVEN HAVE ROOM FOR SOMETHING LIKE A BAR GO ROUND, WHICH WOULD BE REALLY FUN.
AND THEN MATT SHELLEY SAID THAT WE DID SORT OF A PLAYGROUND IDEA.
IT COULD BE LIKE RUBBER MATS OR WHATEVER SO THAT PEOPLE COULD, SO THEN YOU'VE GOT FAMILY FRIENDLY KIND OF THINGS WHERE KIDS ARE SAFER 'CAUSE THEY'RE INSIDE THAT INNER CORE VERSUS HANGING OUT ON MIDDLE STREET, YOU KNOW, FOR SANTA AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO MY, MY UH, THIRD QUESTION IS IF YOU CLOSE OFF THAT HALF, LET'S SAY HALF OF THAT PARKING LOT, UM, THAT'S THE ONLY CITY OWNED PUBLIC ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THE INTER COOLER, HOW WOULD THE TRAFFIC GET OUT OF THE INTER COOLER? SO IT WOULD GO FROM HERE, UM, ALL THE WAY TO THE TRASH CANS AND THEN IT WOULD OKAY.
AND THEN IT WOULD TURN TO THE RIGHT TO GO TOWARDS THE TRUCK.
SO THIS ARROW GOES AWAY BECAUSE NOW ALL TRAFFIC, RIGHT? IT GOES AROUND.
BUT WHERE DOES IT COME OUT? IT GOES OUT BACK OVER TOWARDS THE, IT CURVES AROUND, UH, THIS HUGE AREA TO THOSE CONDOS THAT ARE IN THE BACK BESIDES MITCHELL'S.
BESIDES THAT'S, THAT'S OVER TO MITCHELL'S.
SEE, THEN IT'S GONNA GO UNDER THOSE TREES THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO THERE IS NOTHING, THEY'RE ALREADY DRIVING ON IT.
SO THERE'S NOTHING PERMIT TODAY THEY, EVERYBODY'S STILL DRIVING.
I KNOW, BUT TOMORROW IT COULD BE SOLD.
IT COULD BE OR COULD HAVE A GATE ON IT TOMORROW AT ANY TIME IN THE FUTURE.
ON ANY OF THOSE PIECES OF, OF PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE CITY, SOMEONE COULD PUT A WALL, A BUILDING GATE OR WHATNOT.
AND I HAD THOUGHT THAT WE WERE CONFINING OURSELVES TO THE CITY PROPERTY.
BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN ATTEMPTED BEFORE AND THIS IS THE PROVERBIAL HERDING OF CATS THAT THERE ARE LIKE 20 DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS BACK THERE.
AND BY REROUTING THE TRAFFIC AS YOU HAVE, YOU'RE PROBABLY INVOLVING A DOZEN OR SO OF THOSE OR EIGHT OF THOSE.
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A PROBLEM ALL ALONG.OKAY, SO WHAT'S TO KEEP THE POLOS FROM BUILDING A WALL, NOT A BURN THING RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN NO ONE CAN AND NOW YOU'RE COMPLETELY BLOCKED OFF.
WELL THAT'S WHY THEY'VE ALREADY PUT, THEY PUT SPEED BUMPS THERE.
THEY PUT THEIR, BECAUSE THAT AS THEIR PROPERTY.
SO, BUT IF WE GO WELL, GOING THE OTHER WAY WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
OTHER THING, I MEAN I THINK, AND I, I'M WINDING BACK TO A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, I THINK THAT COLLECTIVELY WE MIGHT ALL AGREE THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SOLUTION.
BUT THAT HAS BEEN ATTEMPTED TO BE SOLD TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT SOLUTION.
AND WHILE WE MAY AGREE ON THAT, THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE NOT AGREED ON THAT.
AND SO WHILE WE MIGHT THINK IT'D BE LOVELY TO GO, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE POLOS, ACROSS, YOU KNOW, MITCHELL'S, ACROSS MICHAEL'S PROPERTY, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE CONFINING THIS TO THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY FOR THE TIME BEING WITH THE HOPE OR EXPECTATION THAT IN THE FUTURE PERHAPS PEOPLE WILL SEE THIS IS A GOOD THING AND YOU CAN EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT.
BUT JOHNNY HAS COME, I LIKE THE BRICK IDEA NUMBER ONE.
AND ALSO ZEBO SOUNDS REALLY COOL.
ONE, ONE OTHER THING, LOOKING AT THE SATELLITE IMAGING, THE TOWARDS THE P PROPERTY NEAREST TO CRAVEN STREET, THAT'S THE HANDICAP PARKING, RIGHT? SO IF WE GOT RID OF THAT WHOLE SIDE, WE'RE LOSING A DA PARKING AND WE HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE NORTHERN SIDE, EVERETT MORGANS I GUESS.
OR JUST SOMETHING THROW ON THE RADAR TOO.
ALL THINGS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT AND CONSIDER.
BUT WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS, IS HOLD SOME THOUGHTS.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO REALLY THE WALKWAY, THE BEAUTIFICATION THAT GAZEBO, I HAVE TO ADMIT IS, IS AWESOME.
THAT'S THAT REALLY WILL ANCHOR IT AND, AND BE BEAUTIFUL AND BE WELCOMING AND IT'LL BE WELCOMING.
PEOPLE WILL WANT TO WALK THAT WAY.
BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? 'CAUSE I'M GONNA, THEY GO TO YOU.
I'M GONNA SAVE YOU FOR LAST NOW
WELL ACTUALLY I'M GONNA HOPE THAT DAVID CAN PULL SOME OF HIS PICTURES,
BUT UM, YEAH, THE ONE THING I HAD TO SAY, WHICH THIS DAVID MAY COVER THIS IN HIS COMMITTEE ALSO, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE THAT YOU ALL DID.
UM, I, I MIGHT THINK WE WOULD WANT TO CHALLENGE MATT ON THE SIX FOOT HEIGHT RESTRICTION ON SCREENING.
AND I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO HIDE THE DUMPSTERS, THE DUMPSTERS ARE TALLER THAN SIX FEET.
AND I WOULD DARE SAY THAT HPC WOULD BE FRIENDLIER TO THEIR NEIGHBORS IN APPROVING A TALLER FENCE THAN NOT APPRO IT.
IF YOU GO BACK THERE, YOU LOOK, THERE ARE OTHER DUMPSTERS THAT ARE HIDDEN AND SURE ENOUGH THERE'S THE SIX FOOT FENCE AND THEN IT STILL STANDS ANOTHER FOUR FEET AND THAT, THAT'S NOT A DECISION THAT WE CAN MAKE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A REQUEST WE CAN PUT TO THE ALDERMAN TO MAKE HPC.
AND THEY, THERE ARE WAYS TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS OR WAIVERS.
OKAY, SO METRO NET PUT SOME BIG MASSIVE THING BACK THERE BEHIND TONES, COINS AND ANTIQUES.
AND IT WAS APPROVED FOR SIX FEET AND THE THING IS LIKE TWO, TWO STORIES TALL.
YOU KNOW, THEY PUT THIS BIG CEMENT PAD AND THEN THEY PUT THIS MASSIVE WHATEVER IT IS.
WHAT IS IT? IT'S CELL PHONE TOWER, SATELLITE MAINFRAME.
IT'S GOT THAT, I THINK IT'S UM, BRIGHT SPEED.
OH, IS IT BRIGHT SPEED? IT'S ONE OF THOSE, THERE'S NO FENCE OR SCREEN AROUND.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THEY GOT, BUT THEY WERE HELD TO THE SIX FOOT THING, BUT THEN THEY, IT'S THERE SO IT'S THERE.
SO YEAH, I THINK THEY ENDED UP HAVING TO DO THAT FOR FLOODING, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
ANYTHING ELSE GUYS? THANK YOU.
I GO, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PUT MY IMAGES UP SO YOU CAN USE THOSE FOR TALKING? SURE, YEAH.
I MIGHT ACTUALLY WALK UP THERE AND NOW WE'LL, WE'LL SEE MY, MY TECHNICAL SWITCH NOW.
AND WE'RE GONNA GO TO YOUR PLACE, RIGHT TO THE PARKING GROUP.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT PICTURE, THE PICTURE THAT YOU HAVE VIEW TO THAT TREE.
AND NOBODY, I'VE NEVER NOTICED THAT BEFORE.
AND I WALK THAT ALMOST EVERY DAY.
I GO DOWN THAT SIDEWALK, BUT I'VE NEVER NOTICED IT UNTIL I TOOK THAT PICTURE.
AND THAT'S WHAT A VISITOR SEES.
TAKE AND I LOVE THE IDEA BECAUSE HE WOULD BE IN THERE 'CAUSE THAT WOULD HIGHLIGHT GREG'S SCULPTURE TOO, TO START THE WALL.
PEOPLE WOULD NOTICE IT AND TO HAVE A BENCH THERE TO SIT BY IT
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PAVERS, UM, BRICK.SAYS IT WAS TO TRY MATCH WHAT WAS IN, THEY HAVE ALL THAT OLD BRICK.
I WANT YOU TO USE THE OLD BRICK
WE GOT ALL, ALL THAT I KNOW WHEN I ASK QUESTIONS, BUT NO, ALL THAT BRICK CAME FROM UNDER THE STREETS.
I GUESS THERE'S NO WAY TO BUY SOME OF THAT PROPERTY BACK THERE TO CREATE AN ACCESS.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE, YOU KNOW, WE BUY THOSE PIECES, BUT THAT'S BEEN THE WHOLE ISSUE.
WELL, HAS ANYBODY PUT A PRICE ON JUST THOSE PIECES BACK THERE? JUST THE, JUST THE PAID AREAS.
HAVE THERE BEEN NO PRICES PUT ON THEM? IT'S NOT A MATTER OF PUTTING A PRICE ON IT, IT'S THE MATTER OF THE WILLINGNESS OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND THEN WHEN THE LEASE EXPIRED OR 10 YEAR LEASE, THEN DOWNTOWN WAS STARTING TO COME ALIVE AND NOBODY WANTED
EVERYBODY WANTED THEIR PROPERTY.
I HAVE AN APPLE, SO MINE DIFFERENT.
ARE YOU WINDOWS? QR CODE, APPLE.
SO YOU HAVE TO GO TO YOUR CONTROL CENTER.
YOU GO TO YOUR CONTROL, UH, WHICH IS, UH, AND YOU HAVE TO GO TO, UH, MIRROR SCREEN MIRRORING PROBABLY, IS IT BLUETOOTH OR WIFI? IT, IT'S NOT EITHER OF THOSE.
I THINK YOU CAN JUST GET THAT, TAKE A PICTURE OF THAT QR CODE IF YOU QA.
AND YOU HAVE TO DO, UM, MIRROR SCREENING RM ROOM.
AND MICHAEL LEE SAID SHE WASN'T TECHNICAL.
AND I'VE GOT IT FROM A LITTLE ICON UP HERE.
AND THE PASSWORD IS, THE PASSWORD IS IS QAM C THE NATIONAL? I'M NOT SURE I CONNECTED MINE BECAUSE I'M ONE OF, YOU KNOW, ORDERED A MINIMUM TIONS EVERY DEPARTMENT.
I SAID YOU OFFICE GET LIKE FIVE SUBSCRIPTIONS AND MAYBE, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT DRIVES ME NUTS IS, BUT SORRY FOR DELAY.
UM, THIS IS A DRAWING THAT WE ALL GOT COURTESY OF DAVE BACK IN, UM, AT A MEETING BACK IN MAY, UM, MAY 7TH IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT LATER.
AND, UM, THIS IS VERY VALUABLE FOR THE PARKING DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE EXISTING RIGHT HERE.
AND, AND THAT'S, THIS IS HOW I CAME UP WITH THE 22.
SO, UM, I HAPPEN TO HAVE HAD A SNEAK PREVIEW OF WHAT THE TRASH COMMITTEE IS GOING TO RECOMMEND.
AND THAT IS, UM, THAT THE, THE TRASH WILL BE RECOMMENDED TO GO IN ESSENTIALLY WHERE THESE
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FOUR SPACES ARE.UM, AND UM, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SORT OF SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO ADDRESS THE PARKING.
WE VERY MUCH LIKE THIS IDEA OF HAVING A SERVICE STRIP ALONG THE SIDE OF THE WALKWAY.
UM, THIS WALKWAY IS SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER THAN THE EXISTING ONE, WHICH AS, UM, WAS MENTIONED IS PRETTY NASTY AND INADEQUATE.
UM, BUT WE LIKE THE IDEA OF THAT LOADING ZONE, UM, FOR DELIVERY TRUCKS AND GETTING THEM OFF OF CRAVEN STREET AND ALLOWING FOR DELIVERIES TO THE RESTAURANTS AND THINGS THERE.
WE THINK THAT WAS A GREAT RECOMMENDATION.
WE THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THE PARKING HERE IF WE WANT TO KEEP CIRCULATION ON THE CITY PROPERTY.
UM, YOU REALLY KIND OF HAVE TO, WHICH BRINGS ME TO SORT OF THE TWO ALTERNATE CONCEPTS THAT WE HAVE.
THE FIRST ONE IS WITH THE TRASH COMPACTOR LOCATED HERE, UM, IF WE ARE CONSTRAINED TO JUST THE CITY PROPERTY, THEN WE WOULD NOT BE RELIANT UPON THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION AROUND, UM, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, UH, BEHIND MORGANS.
AND, AND SO THAT MEANS WE WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE THIS OPENING HERE IN ORDER TO CIRCULATE THE TRAFFIC AROUND, UH, IF WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN REACH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY WITH THE THREE, UH, MAYBE FOUR, FIVE.
UM, AND THEN HERE WE'RE BACK TO THE CATS.
UM, IF, IF WE CAN LEAVE THAT THERE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND EXTENDING THE ISLAND BACK, LEAVING THAT WALKWAY THE ENTIRE DISTANCE.
REMOVING THIS AS I THINK WAS SUGGESTED BY, BUT KEEPING THE, THE, UH, SINGLE LANE EXIT.
SO IT IS SORT OF A HYBRID BETWEEN THESE TWO, DEPENDING UPON THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND WHETHER WE CAN LEAVE THE TRAFFIC FLOW AS IT IS NOW AND FILL THIS IN OR, UM, AND, AND FILL THAT IN.
UM, OR IF WE WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE THIS OPEN TO REMAIN A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THE CITY PROPERTY.
BUT WE VERY MUCH LIKE THE IDEA OF A SINGLE ROW OF PARKING HERE.
AND WE ALSO, IF YOU CAN EXTEND THAT, YOU PICK UP ADDITIONAL SPACES SO YOU'RE NOT LOSING, YOU'RE NOT LOSING 25% OF YOUR PARKING, YOU'RE LOSING MORE LIKE MAYBE 17% BECAUSE YOU WILL PICK UP APPROXIMATELY, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY FOUR SPACES HERE AND ABOUT THREE SPACES, THREE TO FOUR SPACES ON THE POLO SIDE.
UM, SO AGAIN, WITH THE DUMPSTER LOCATION PRESUMED TO BE HERE, UM, CAN CLOSE THIS IN AND CONTINUE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION THIS WAY, ELIMINATING THIS.
UM, OTHERWISE, UM,
I LIKE THE IDEA OF ELIMINATING THAT JUT OUT THERE TOO.
I LIKE COMING BACK BECAUSE SOME OF THE PROBLEM IS GONNA BE IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOCATE THE RELOCATE, THE FOUR PARKING SPACES THAT ARE PARTIALLY ON THE CITY PROPERTY.
SO WE HAVE THOSE, THE CONDO OWNERS SO THAT THESE HERE YES.
SEE HALF OF THAT PARKING SPACE BELONGS TO THE CITY.
AND I BELIEVE WE WANT TO PUT THE COMPACTOR AND I'LL WAIT UNTIL THEY DISCUSSES THAT.
BUT IF WE PUSH IT BACK, MAYBE BY HAVING EXTRA SPACES ALONG THE POLO SIDE THERE, JUDGING JUST BY THIS, I THINK YOU COULD PUSH THOSE BACK THAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 10 FEET AND STILL HAVE ADEQUATE CIRCULATION EVEN IF YOU PUSH BECAUSE YOU, YOU'D BE ONLY LIKE ABOUT EQUIVALENT TO THERE.
BUT I THINK YOU CAN DO THAT REGARDLESS.
AND I, SO AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, AND THAT SIDEWALK GOES AWAY, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA, THIS, THIS SIDEWALK LOOKED AWAY.
AND THIS IS WHERE THE, UH, AND AGAIN, I, I WOULD HOPE THAT FOR BEAUTIFICATION PURPOSES THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW A TALLER SCREEN, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE PRESUMABLY A BRICK OR SOME OTHER MATERIAL SCREEN.
HE RECOMMENDED A SPECIFIC TREE THAT GROWS REALLY TALL, JUST LIKE A BOTTLE ROCKET TREE.
AND SO WE COULD PLANT A BUNCH OF THOSE AROUND IT, TYPE OF HOLLY THAT, UM, YES.
AND IT'S GREEN ALL YEAR ROUND AND IT DOESN'T SHIFT, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT LANDSCAPE AND IT'S GONNA BE A LOT WIDER THAN A BRICK WALL.
SO IT, IT'S GONNA BECOME A FUNCTION OF FOOTPRINT.
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SO IF WE EXTENDED THAT WALKWAY ALL THE WAY THROUGH SO THAT WE COULD ALMOST MEET UP TO THE BAY PLAZA SIDE, IT WOULD COME, WE COULD STILL DO THOSE TRAFFIC BUMPS OR WHATEVER.WHAT DID YOU CALL THOSE? SPEED TABLE C TABLES.
I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION AS I UNDERSTOOD IT WOULD BE THAT THE BRICK WOULD CONTINUE AND THEN YOU'D HAVE LIKE THE SPEED TABLE HERE.
ACTUALLY YOU COULD STILL BE WITH BRICK, IT'S JUST, IT'S A WIDER, RIGHT.
SO CARS THEN I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT THEN WOULD DRIVE DOWN AROUND AND THE ONLY, SO YOU, YOU COULDN'T TAKE A RIGHT THEN WHERE YOU TAKE IT NOW, YOU'D HAVE TO COME ALL THE WAY AROUND.
SO ON THIS SIDE IT REMAINS MUCH LIKE THIS.
BUT THESE FOUR SPACES BECOME THE DUMPSTER.
SO THE CARS COMING IN WOULD GO RIGHT AS THE BEAUTIFICATION COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED AND COME AROUND, THIS WOULD BE TIGHTENED UP.
'CAUSE THESE FOUR SPOTS WOULD SLIDE DOWN.
YOU COME AROUND THIS WAY AND NOW YOU GO OVER TO THIS SIDE, YOUR DUMPSTERS HERE.
UM, SO THAT YOU COME AROUND AND, AND THEN I'M NOT GONNA SEE, SORRY, YOU COME AROUND THIS WAY AND THEN AND THEN OUT THAT WAY.
SO I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED THERE.
AND SO WE WOULD LOSE BASICALLY 11 PARKING SPACES, BUT WE DID SAY SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD JUST HAVE THAT TEMPORARY, WE WOULD ONLY LOSE, WE WOULD LOSE 11 IF WE, IF WE HAVE TO DO THE CIRCULATION THIS WAY, IF WE GO WITH THE CIRCULATION COMING AROUND, THEN JUST ROUGHLY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO CONTINUE THIS LINE ACROSS, WE GAINED ONE, TWO, THREE, LET'S CALL IT THREE SPACES HERE.
BECAUSE REMEMBER YOUR, YOUR DUMPSTER IS GONNA BE LOCATED THERE.
SO YOU MIGHT PICK UP THREE SPACES HERE.
SO NOW YOU'RE DOWN TO LOSING SEVEN.
AND THEN YOU PICK UP, LET'S SAY ANOTHER THREE SPACES HERE.
SO NOW YOU'RE DOWN TO LOSING FOUR.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? YEAH.
WELL AS WE CAN PROVIDE INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THAT WE CAN, AND WE CAN WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WELL, AND, AND, AND THEY WOULD STILL HAVE INGRESS AND INGRESS AND, AND I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT WHAT WAS BEING ALLUDED TO BEFORE, AND UM, IF WE CAN GET CONSENSUS AMONG THESE FOUR THEN I THINK CLEARLY IT'S PREFERABLE TO EXTEND THE ISLAND AND GET EXTRA PARKING SPACE AND HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, MORE ATTRACTIVE BRICK RUNNING ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
I DON'T THINK THE CITY NECESSARILY WANTS TO PLAY HARDBALL, BUT JUST THE SAME WAY THE POLOS OR SOMEONE ELSE COULD PUT UP A WALL.
THE CITY COULD PUT UP A WALL AND THESE PEOPLE COULD BE, UM, UNABLE TO ACCESS THEIR PARKING.
SO THERE IS INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO PLAY BALL IF THE LAWYERS WANT TO GET INVOLVED.
I I JUST, IT WOULD JUST BE PERMANENT EASEMENTS.
ALL THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE IS EASEMENTS TO CROSS THE PROPERTY NOW AND THEY ALL NEED ACCESS, YOU KNOW.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S PARKING IN THEIR STOREFRONT.
THIS FEDERAL ALLEY, I BELIEVE IS A, IS OWNED BY CIVIC.
BUT IS NOWHERE NEAR FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
SO YEAH, THESE PEOPLE, IF THEY WANNA KEEP ACCESS TO THEIR PARKING, THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE LEFT OPEN ANYHOW.
SO HOPEFULLY IT WOULDN'T BE A BIG HURDLE.
LET ME, LET ME THROW THIS UP THERE ALSO TO TRY TO GIVE YOU, UM, SOME, YEAH, SO IMAGINE THIS, THIS ROW PARKING WOULD DISAPPEAR.
YOU HAVE A, A WIDER WALKWAY AND A LOADING UNLOADING ZONE THAT, YOU KNOW, RUNS ESSENTIALLY THE WIDTH THAT WAS PROPOSED.
BUT YOU WOULD HAVE A PORTION OF IT LOADING, UNLOADING.
UM, SO YOU HAVE THE BRICK WALKWAY GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO HERE.
THE TRAFFIC WOULD CIRCLE AROUND LIKE THIS AND THEN COME THROUGH RIGHT THERE.
THIS IS, THIS IS THAT, UM, CURVED WALKWAY THAT GOES AWAY.
SO THE TRAFFIC COULD COME AROUND THIS WAY AND, AND YOU KNOW, IN A LINE THAT SHADOW IS VERY DECEPTIVE, BUT THIS TRAFFIC PATTERN HERE JUST CONTINUES AROUND AND LEAVES THE TREES UNHARMED.
I LIKE MORE WALKWAY THAN ROADWAY.
THAT THAT, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID IF WE CAN KEEP THIS PORTION, IT, IT'S REALLY, YOU GOT 1, 2, 3, 4
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PROPERTY OWNERS.IF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE IN AGREEMENT TO LEAVE THAT THE WAY IT IS, AND AGAIN, THEY COULD BE IN A WORLD OF HURRY IF THEY DON'T AGREE AND THE CITY SAYS, FINE, WE'LL PUT A WALL UP FOSTER ONE TIME SCOTT TOLD ME THAT IT WAS A PRESCRIPTIVE THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, AND SO, BUT I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF WE HAD DRAWN UP EASEMENT, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
I THINK THAT WOULD HELP US US BETTER CLARITY FOR THOSE OF YOU PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT MEANS THAT IT'S BEEN USED SO MANY TIMES AS, YOU KNOW, A THOROUGHFARE THAT IT IN ESSENCE BECOMES A LEGAL EASEMENT.
ARE YOU RECOGNIZING THAT THE TRAFFIC BE ONE WAY? YES.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AND IT IS NOW.
I MEAN, WELL THEY DON'T GO OUT THAT WAY, BUT I DO SEE FRONT NEEDS TO BE NOW SHOULD BE AT THE END OF THAT.
PEOPLE WILL GO BOTH DIRECTIONS.
BUT THE LOADING ZONE, THEY HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO GO ONE WAY WHERE THEY COME BACK IN BASICALLY.
WELL, I THINK, WELL, YEAH, I'M NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIZE TRUCKS THEY HAVE.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING BIG 18 WHEELERS.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A TERRIBLE TIME, YOU KNOW, LOOPING AROUND REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S, WOULD THE TRASH TRUCK BE ABLE TO MEET THE RADIUS, UM, COMING BACK AROUND THE TREE, GET BACK OUT? HOW MUCH SOUTH PART OF THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S MY BIG THEY DO NOW.
YEAH, WITH THE POST PLAN, WOULD THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE, BUT THEY COME AT FIVE 30 IN THE MORNING ANYWAY, SO GET LESS CARS.
SO FOSTER YOUR QUESTIONS WOULD ABLE IF THAT, THAT AREA.
CAN I, CAN I JUST ASK SOMETHING HERE? SO AS YOU, IF, IF THE FOUR LOAD OF TRAFFIC CAME AROUND, LIKE WHAT WE HAD SUGGESTED, THIS PROPERTY, IS THIS ALL BRODY PROPERTY? THIS WHOLE PIECE? YES.
AND THEN WHO IS THIS? WELL ACTUALLY THE, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC FLOW I BELIEVE COMES OVER HERE AND MORE LIKE AROUND THIS OVER HERE WHERE MITCHELL'S IS.
SO YOU HAVE, SO WE GOT YOU NOW LOOKING AT, SO WE GOT BRODY, CAN YOU MAKE IT, THIS IS A, JUST WONDERING, THIS IS A STATIC PICTURE.
YEAH, HE CAN'T, HE CAN'T SCROLL DOWN.
OKAY, SO, SO THIS IS ONE OWNER AND THEN THERE'S THIS OWNER.
THERE'S ONLY TWO OWNERS TO GET OUT THAT WAY.
UH, ACTUALLY, WELL I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THAT IS.
I THINK THIS IS JOHNSON'S PROPERTY THERE.
BUT BACK BEHIND IT, IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK.
YOU CAN'T TAKE THESE TREES OUT THROUGH THE TREE, RIGHT THROUGH THROUGH THE TREES.
YOU'RE COME, THIS IS ALL BRODY AND THEN THERE'S THE, YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT TREE UP.
THEN IT'S GOTTA GO TO JOHNSON'S AND THEN OVER, SO THREE PROPERTY OWNERS TO GET OUT.
WELL, AND WHO IS THIS? YOU'D HAVE TO EITHER POLO JOHNSON, POLO, THAT'S POLO, THAT'S SOMEBODY ELSE.
SO YEAH, SO WE GOT BRODY AND THEN WE GOT, UH, JOHN, UH, MITCHELLS.
WELL TO GO THAT WAY, YOU'RE A ARE OWNERS.
I'M ONE OF FOUR OF THE ZR ASSOCIATES AND PEOPLE CUT THROUGH OUR PARKING LOT.
BUT WE HAVE A SIGN UP THAT, THAT BASICALLY WE PERMIT PEOPLE TO, SO TO ADDRESS THE CONSTRICTIVE EASEMENT PRESCRIPTION PRESCRIPTIVE.
THAT'S WHAT THE ATTORNEY TELL US TO DO.
SO THAT WE REMEMBER ADDRESS WITH A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT.
SO THAT'S SIGN WE MOVE TOMORROW AND GATES PUT UP AND WE'LL CUT THROUGH A PARKING LOT AND I, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE IF IT COULD COME THIS WAY OR IF IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THIS WAY.
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO THAT WAY.
WHICH INVOLVES, WE STILL HAVE THE PARKING.
I DON'T, I'LL BE HONEST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO A BERRY, GO-ROUND.
I LOVE THAT, WHAT IT'S CALLED.
BUT I, WHAT WE'VE GOT BEAUTIFUL UNION POINT PARK, PEOPLE LOVE IT.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANYMORE.
WE HAVE SO MUCH ACTIVITY GOING ON WITH VERY MARY EVENTS AND ALL OF THESE EVENTS AND THINGS SPILL OUT INTO MIDDLE STREET.
THIS WAY IF, IF IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO CRAVEN, WE'VE CREATED A, A WAY TO EASILY EXPLORE CRAVEN STREET.
SO I THINK WE'VE ADDED TOGETHER, TOGETHER ADDED MORE WALKING EXPERIENCES TO EXPLORING CRAVEN STREET.
SO IT'D BE MORE FUN TO HANG OUT INSIDE, DEEPER INSIDE AND MORE QUESTIONS FOR JOHN AS FAR AS WHAT HE'S, AND OR JOHNNY, I MEAN, AND THEN MICKEY WAS PART OF THEIR TEAM AS WELL.
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KIND OF A CHICKEN NECK THING TOO, BECAUSE WE PUT THE TRASH THAT BACK, THE ACTUAL PARKING OKAY.SO LET'S GO TO OUR HEAD HONCHO OVER HERE, THE TRASH MAN,
AND, AND THAT COMMITTEE WAS MADE UP OF VO AND, UH, DAVE AND MICHAEL AND DAVE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRAPHIC.
UM, WELL, I HAVE A BUNCH OF EXHIBITS HERE AND I THINK THE, WHAT THE EXHIBITS DO ARE HIGHLIGHT THE COMPLEXITY OF THE PROBLEM AND THE, THE FIRST ONE, UM, SO KAREN PROVIDED ME THE, THE DATA FROM TWIST BEAR REGARDING THE TRASH.
SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO, AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T READ ANY OF THIS, BUT, UM, WHAT I, WHAT I DID WAS PULL THE, THE, THE CURRENT TAX RECORDS AS OF AUGUST AND I TRIED TO RECONCILE THE, THE TRASH INFORMATION THAT KAREN PROVIDED WITH THE CURRENT RECORDS AND THEN ORGANIZE IT IN, IN SORT OF A, A, A BLOCK TYPE OF, OF, OF AN ARRANGEMENT.
UM, AND I, I ALSO HAVE THAT SPREADSHEET IN A SEPARATE DOCUMENT SO IT CAN BE, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S READABLE.
UM, AND I ADDED THE NOTES THAT SHE HAD ON THAT SPREADSHEET AND IT, BUT IT WAS BASICALLY FROM 2019.
SO IT, IT IS OLD INFORMATION AND UM, IT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED THAT THERE IS SOME, THERE ARE SOME INCONSISTENCIES WITH HOW THE, THE TRASH IS HANDLED.
SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE, UM, THAT WE NEED TO GET A HANDLE ON THAT.
UM, SO, UM, I BASICALLY BROKE IT DOWN INTO, UM, THE NORTH PART, WHICH IS P*****K, UM, NORTH MIDDLE, SOUTH MIDDLE, UM, CRAVEN, UM, UH, NORTH CRAVEN AND SOUTH CRAVEN.
SO NOT, NOT TO SAY THAT THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE, BUT JUST I WANTED TO TRY TO ADD SOME KIND OF ORDER TO THE CONFUSION.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A SPREADSHEET.
UM, AND THEN HERE WHAT I DID WAS TRIED TO, TO HIGHLIGHT, WELL, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THOSE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE TRANSFERRED SINCE, UM, 2019? SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THE, THE YELLOW IS INDICATING THE, UM, THE NEW OWNERS SINCE 2019.
AND, AND HERE WHAT I, I DID WAS, UM, THE GIS RECORDS HAVE A, UM, A LAND USE CODE, UM, AND THE, THE RED ARE EITHER, UM, CITY OWNED OR THEY'RE VACANT, VACANT LAND.
AND THEN THE YELLOW IS INDICATING RESIDENTIAL.
AND WHERE YOU SEE A A SLASH THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A, A RESIDENTIAL AND A AND A COMMERCIAL TYPE TYPE OF BUSINESS.
I DIDN'T GET DOWN INTO THE, UM, THE RESTAURANTS AND, AND SO FORTH, BUT IT DOES INDICATE THAT ON THE, ON THE SPREADSHEET.
UM, AND ONE THING THAT IT, IT HIGHLIGHTED TO ME WAS THAT JUST THAT THE TAX RECORDS DON'T GET INTO THE GRANULARITY OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GO TO.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON HERE THAT ALSO ARE RENTING OUT SPACE FOR RESIDENTIAL, WHERE YOU HAVE APARTMENTS ABOVE AND IT REALLY, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A CONDO, BUT IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT NOT BE REFLECTED ON HERE AS SUCH.
SO, UM, WE REALLY NEED TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
AND THEN HERE'S A, UM, THE FINAL SLIDE BASICALLY IS THE, THE, UM, THE, UM, CITY OWNED PROPERTY IN INTERCORE SHOWING WHERE WE FEEL LIKE THE, UM, THE, THE, THE COMPACTOR SHOULD, SHOULD BE LOCATED GENERAL LOCATION, AND THEN A LIST OF, OF, UM, V CAME UP WITH THESE, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.
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CLOSER, UM, WHERE WE HAVE THE, THE COMPACTOR, THE LOCATION, UM, THE BRICK ENCLOSURE AND UM, UH, JUAN MENTIONED THAT THE, THE SIX FOOT ALSO, AND I, I, I THINK IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUS THAT, UM, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE HIGHER THAN SIX FEET TO, UH, TO REALLY ENCLOSE THAT AND MAKE IT MORE APPEALING.UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE OVERALL LAYOUT IS GONNA BE DEPENDENT UPON HOW ALL THESE DIFFERENT PARTS COME TOGETHER WITH THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION.
WE ALSO HAVE THE UTILITIES, SO WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE, THE STORM SEWER, THE, THE WATER ELECTRIC AND AND, AND SO FORTH ACCESS.
UM, MENTION HAVING, IF WE DO GO WITH THE, THE TRASH COMPACT OR HAVING IT HAVING IT CODE, UM, ROTATING THAT PERIODICALLY.
UM, UH, V ALSO BROUGHT UP, BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT THAT WE HAVE THESE, UM, EVENT VENUES, UM, LIKE, UH, STANLEY HALL AND I, UM, THE ISAAC TAYLOR GARDEN WHERE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT HIGHER, UM, ATTENDANCE USE OUR TRASH GENERATION AND, AND SO FORTH FOR DIFFERENT TIMES, HE, THAT WOULD'VE TO BE FACTORED IN.
UM, WE DID NOT MEET WITH GFL AGAIN BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE VETTED OUT BEFORE GOING TO THAT, THAT NEXT, THAT NEXT STEP.
UM, BUT IT, IT, IT DOES SEEM LIKE, UM, WE DO NEED SOME FOCUS ON, ON THAT, THAT TRASH AND CLEANLINESS AND, AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP, UM, PREVIOUSLY THAT, THAT MAYBE THE MSD COULD FUND A, A DEDICATED, UM, CITY STAFF PERSON TO FOCUS ON, ON, UH, ON THE INTER CORE AND WELL, NOT THE INTER CORE, BUT MSD AND THEY WOULD ALSO ADDRESS, UM, INTERCOURSE CONCERNS WHERE PUBLIC WORKS ISN'T CALLED ALL THE TIME TO, TO COME OUT AND, UH, STAFF IS BEING DIVERTED, UM, THAT SHOULD BE USED ELSEWHERE.
I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE, THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY THAT WE, WE REALLY NEED, UH, A, A SURVEY OF THOSE OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS AND COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF A SURVEY, UM, WHICH INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, YOUR CURRENT USE, UM, IF IT'S A RESTAURANT, UM, I, I LEARNED THIS, THIS TERM, THE, UH, WHAT IS IT, THE, THE SERVICES AND, AND, UH, TURNOVER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? WHAT IS THAT, UH, TABLE TERM? YEAH, I MEAN THOSE FACTORS THAT GO INTO HOW MUCH WASTE IS BEING GENERATED.
THERE'S, THERE'S, AND, AND, UM, BON CAME UP WITH A FORMULA ALSO THAT THAT, UM, WOULD BE GOOD TO, TO CONSIDER.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT THAT SURVEY COULD ALSO, NOW LISTENING TO THE OTHER, UM, AD HOC COMMITTEES TALK COULD ALSO, UM, ASK, ARE YOU WILLING TO COOPERATE
AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THE UM, UH, A, A GOOD RENDERING COULD BE PRESENTED AS PART OF THAT.
WE WOULD LIKE YOUR COOPERATION.
ARE YOU WILLING TO COOPERATE? WELL? AND WITH THAT, UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA SEND OUT SOMETHING WITH THE, THIS IS ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, UM, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, YOU COULD SAY THOUGH, BUT THERE WILL BE CHANGES TO THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU'RE SUPPORTING THIS OR NOT.
I MEAN, IF THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, I MEAN, I THINK THAT MAY HOPEFULLY MAKE PEOPLE PLAY BALL A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WE ARE GONNA BE CHANGING THE INTER, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OWNED PORTION, SO WE WOULD LIKE YOUR SUPPORT TO HELP US.
MY ONLY SUGGESTION THAT I'M GONNA BASE IT ON EXPERIENCE BECAUSE WE'VE SAT THROUGH, I DON'T KNOW, A HALF DOZEN OR MORE OF THESE MEETINGS WHERE WE INVITED ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
THEY GOT PRETTY HEATED AND I THINK PEOPLE FEED OFF OF PEOPLE SOMETIMES.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE A ONE-ON-ONE.
I MEAN IT WOULD BE UP TO CITY STAFF OR, OR A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS OR OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS AT A TIME COMING TO A MEETING SAYING, LOOK, WE WANNA MAKE SOME CHANGES BACK HERE.
WHERE DO, WHERE DOES YOUR TRASH GO NOW? YOU KNOW, OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHOEVER WE DECIDE TO DO THAT THING.
BUT I THINK IT NEEDS, AND JOHN CORRECT ME OR I DON'T KNOW
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JOHNNY, IF YOU PARTICIPATED, I KNOW YOU DID JOHN IN THESE MEETINGS AND THEY REALLY GOT ALMOST OUT OF CONTROL AND THAT'S WHY WE COULD NEVER GET ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU HAD ONE GROUP SITTING OVER HERE AND ANOTHER GROUP SITTING OVER HERE AND PEOPLE HEAR WHAT THEY'RE GONNA LOSE.THEY DON'T HEAR WHAT THEY'RE GONNA GAIN.
RIGHT? MM-HMM
YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING TO THEM, TELL ME WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE.
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? WHERE DO YOU TAKE YOUR TRASH? YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT IT PICKED UP MORE OFTEN? WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO A CODE NOW TO PUT YOUR TRASH IN? THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS I'M AFRAID IF WE SENT OUT A MAILER OR AN EMAIL, WE MIGHT GET A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF RESPONSES BECAUSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, DON'T TEND TO DO THAT.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK TO EVERYBODY BACK THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT PICK A MEETING DATE OR WE MIGHT SEND SOMETHING OUT AND SOMEBODY'S GONE FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS OR THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, TRAVELING OR WHATEVER 'CAUSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL POPULATION.
AND WE DO HAVE BUSINESSES AND TO ME THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART THAT WE HAVE TO SATISFY IN TALKING TO THE BUSINESSES.
WELL I THINK THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE TOO.
YOU'VE GOT PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE BUSINESSES ARE LEASING FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND BOTH OF THEM NEED TO BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
UM, V WITH YOU EVEN BACK THERE, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT OR, OH YEAH, I'D AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY ON THAT.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PERSONAL CONTACT, YOU KNOW, TWO AT THE TIME AT MOST.
BUT GETTING THAT WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO DO THIS.
I THINK WE'VE ALL DECIDED THAT TRASH COMPACTOR, WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TRASH BACK THERE.
AND THEN A GFL OR SOMEBODY COULD HELP US DECIDE, YOU KNOW, A RESTAURANT ULTIMATELY IS GONNA PAY MORE FOR TRASH THAN A RESIDENT AND THE STANLEY HALL PEOPLE AND ISAAC TAYLOR, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING ON THE DUMP EVERY NOW AND THEN, BUT LARGE VOLUMES, THEY, THERE NEEDS TO BE A RATE FOR THEM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, TO MAKE IT ACCORDING.
AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS TOO, YOU SOME THAT ARE AT THE SERVICES OF THE OTHER RESTAURANTS BEING JUST EVENING OR, YOU KNOW, FIVE DAYS A WEEK VERSUS SEVEN AND LUNCH AND YOU KNOW, PEPSI STORE.
WE, WE JUMP BACK THERE AND YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF TRASH WE HAVE JUST BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, BOXES, YOU KNOW, MY CASES OF PEPSI AND THEY'RE BOX, WE HAVE A LOT, A LOT OF CARDBOARD, BUT WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME IN AND DRINKS AND, YOU KNOW, I I, I PROBABLY SAW, I DON'T KNOW, 5,000 PEOPLE COME THROUGH MY STORE ON SATURDAYS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE GENERATE A LOT OF TRASH FOR A LITTLE FOOTPRINT AND I THINK IT'S JUST THE, THE KIND OF
I DON'T THINK WE GOT TO THE POINT ABOUT, UH, THE DUMPSTER OR MICHAEL'S, UH, PROPERTY TOO.
UM, WE HAD SUGGESTION, SUGGESTION FOR THE DATES OF RAINS DUMPSTER WAS TO KEEP THE DUMPSTER THERE THAT'S CURRENTLY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND USE AS SUCH.
BUT, UH, UH, MAYBE PROVIDE SIGNAGE FROM THE MSD, UH, SAVING, NO FOOD WASTE DUMPING, SO WE CAN KEEP IT STRICTLY WITH THOSE FEW BUSINESSES AND, AND ROUTE THE FOOD WASTE TO THE LARGER COMPACTOR THAT IS DUMPED MORE FREQUENT.
SO YOU WOULD REQUIRE, THEN I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, LIKE THE RESTAURANTS ON THAT SIDE, WHICH WAS THE NORTH SIDE, I THINK.
SO THE, IT WOULD BE RATTY AND MJS AND PINKIES, YOU WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO DUMP IN THIS, THE MAIN DUMPSTER.
BECAUSE I, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING, IS THAT CORRECT, MICHAEL? UH, NO.
THEY'RE USING A DUMPSTER THAT'S IN, UH, UNE RANGE OR THE ZNR PARKING LOT.
BUT I THINK THE, THE ISSUE WAS THEY WEREN'T ORIGINALLY ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
I THINK IT'S JUST HAPPENED BY JUST, YOU KNOW, HAPPENS DAYS.
IT'S THE CLOSEST ONE AND THEY'RE GONNA DUMP IT.
AT LEAST SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, CAN HELP MICHAEL WHEN HE COMES DOWN AND SAYS, HEY, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GO OVER THERE.
YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, IT WOULD NOT BE, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CAPTAIN RILEY'S, IT WOULDN'T BE MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A FEW MORE STEPS.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'VE GOT THE, THE HALL, THE HALLWAY OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THE, THE BACK OF THE BUSINESSES WOULD BE JUST ALMOST AS CLOSE TO THAT DUMP OR LOCATION AS THEY WOULD BE I TO WHERE THEY'RE DUMPED IN MY PARKING LOT NOW AND HAVE A SMALLER DUMPSTER FOR YOU.
WE WOULD KEEP JUST BASICALLY PAPER CARD, NOT EVEN CARDBOARD, JUST UH, 'CAUSE IT'S MAINLY OFFICES.
THERE'S NO FOOD IN THAT GENERAL AREA.
ALL THE FOOD COMES FROM OUTSIDE THAT AREA.
AND WE USED TO HAVE TWO DUMPSTERS THAT, THAT DUMP ONCE A WEEK, AND IT WAS ALL FIVE TO PAPER.
SO WE'D GIVE ONE SMALLER OFFICER THOUGHT EVERY DAY.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD HANDLE A CHUNK.
IDEALLY, IF WE DIDN'T NEED IT, IT'D BE GREAT.
AND ONE, ONE POSITION FOR FOOD WASTE COULD PROBABLY HELP WITH
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PEST MANAGEMENT BECAUSE YOU'D BE SPRAYING THAT PARTICULAR AREA FOR A PEST VERSUS SEVERAL DUMPSTERS.MICHAEL, YOU HAD A COMMENT ON QUESTION.
YOU PROBABLY DON'T GET, UM, THE NASTINESS AT YOUR DUMPSTER THE WAY THE DUMPSTERS OVER AT MORGAN'S DO.
I MEAN THE, THE DUMPSTERS AT MORGAN'S, I MEAN, I, BECAUSE I'M BACK THERE EVERY, I WALK BACK AND FORTH EVERY DAY AND TWO, THREE TIMES A WEEK.
I JUST SEE FOOD ON THE GROUND OVER THERE ON THOSE DUMPSTERS EVERY DAY.
BUT I, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THAT AT YOUR DUMPSTER.
AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AT THE OTHER ONE, WHICH EVERYONE'S USING THAT, SO THERE'S NO ONE DAILY COMING IN TO MONITOR.
THAT'S OUR SUGGESTION WITH THE PART-TIMER OR FULL-TIMER WHO GOES AROUND AND, AND MANAGES THAT AREA.
BUT AS WELL AS YOU HAD MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, PICKING UP CIGARETTE BUTTS AROUND TOWN AND, AND KIND OF NOT TRASH POLICING, IF YOU WOULD.
YOU WOULD SAY, WELL, ACTUALLY I WAS BACK THERE LAST WEEK, TWO WEEKS AGO, AND, UM, A BAG DIDN'T MAKE IT IN.
IT WAS LIKE SPAGHETTI AND I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE DRIBBLING DOWN THE CAN.
AND THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE DOOR BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL DIFFERENT SHAPES AND SIZE OF PEOPLE THAT WORK IN RESTAURANTS AND STRENGTH QUALITIES AND NOT, AND THEY CAN'T LIFT IT UP INTO WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS.
THE CURRENT DUMPSTER WOULD HAVE STEPS OR A RAMP TO GET TO THE FLUIDED, UH, OR THE CHUTE THAT WOULD BE EASIER TO PUT IN AND BE A LITTLE LOWER TO THE WAIST HEIGHT TO PICK UP THAT BAG AND PUT IT IN THERE.
IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY'RE GETTING THE DUMPSTER UP AND YEAH, IT HAPPEN.
THEY WOULDN'T DUMP IT AND SOMETHING'S GOT HUNG UP ON SOMETHING FELL OUT AND THE G L'S NOT GONNA TELL HIM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ALSO THOSE DOORS ARE OPEN HALFWAY, SO IF IT'S HALFWAY FULL OR THE DOOR OPENS, THE ONLY WAY TO GET A BAG IN IS TO PUT IT NOW TWICE AS HIGH OVER THE DUMPSTER WALL.
UH, WHICH OUR SOLUTION, UH, TENDS TO MAYBE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
DAVE, YOU WANT TO FINISH THIS? UM, I, I LIKE THE IDEA ABOUT THAT, BUT YOU'VE GOT A SUMMARY.
YOU WANT TO, I WANT TO GET THIS A COUPLE MORE OTHER ITEMS I WANT.
NO, I THINK WE, I THINK WE'VE COVERED, I THINK THAT'S SUM IT.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF INFORMATION TODAY AND I THINK A LOT OF REALLY GOOD INFORMATION.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS, IS REALLY KIND OF BRING IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL, IS NOW PULL ALL OF THESE REPORTS TOGETHER INTO SOMEWHAT OF A DESIGN, LET'S JUST SAY, OR SOME KIND OF IDEA.
AGAIN, WE HAVE TO GET PERMISSION.
WE'RE, WE'RE GOING RIGHT NOW WITH THE IDEA THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET A TRASH COMPACTOR.
AND YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT IT GOES IN THAT AREA WHERE THERE'S FOUR PARKING SPACES.
WE HAVE YOUR LITTLE PARKING AREA, WE HAVE YOUR DESIGN.
YOU WANT A SIDEWALK? YEAH, WELL, THE SIDEWALK AND EVERYTHING.
UM, FOSTER ANY IDEA OF HOW WE CAN PULL THIS ALL TOGETHER INTO SOME KIND OF DRAWING OR JUST SOMETHING FOR US THEN TO REVIEW OR, YES, AND, AND I, WE MAY WANT TO HAVE JUST A YEAH, WE NEED ANOTHER YES.
WE CAN PULL ALL OF TOGETHER AND WE CAN WORK WITH THE, THE CHAIR OF EACH AD HOC COMMITTEE.
TO, TO GRAB THEIR INFORMATION, PUT IT TOGETHER SO EVERYONE CAN HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY ACTUALLY LOOK AT.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO.
UM, BECAUSE THE UM, TWO ONE I'M GOING TO KIND OF JUMP, WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THESE IN A MINUTE, BUT WE HAVE TO, THIS IS THE LAST OFFICIAL REGULAR MEETING OF THE YEAR AND I'LL HAVE IN A MINUTE, I'LL GIVE YOU THE DATES ON THAT AGENDA ITEM FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
SO EVERYTHING WE WOULD DO BETWEEN NOW AND FEBRUARY, WHICH WOULD BE OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING, WOULD BE VIA WORKSHOP.
SO WE WILL, YOU KNOW, GET IN YOUR MIND, WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING SOME WORKSHOPS SO WE CAN GET TO SOME KIND OF FINAL DESIGN THAT WE CAN THEN GIVE TO THE ALDERMAN TO APPROVE.
THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT STILL HAS TO GO THE STEPS OF WHAT DOES IT COST, HOW DO WE LOOK AT THIS? THERE'S MANY STEPS, BUT LEMME TELL YOU, WE ARE LIGHT YEARS.
I THANK YOU SO MUCH BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN 10 YEARS IN THE MAKING AND I'M VERY PLEASED WITH WHAT I SEE.
I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD SOLUTIONS.
IT ONLY OCCURRED TO ME NOW SEEING OUR LOVELY AUDIENCE.
CAN WE OUT, GEORGE, DO YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED THAT'S LIKE A RED FLAG THAT YOU'RE THINKING AIN'T NO WAY
I HEAR ELECTRIC IS THE THINGS YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT ARE YOU GONNA GET INGRESS EGRESS PERMISSION TO GO TO CROSS SEASONS AND SOME LEGAL DOCUMENTS.
ALWAYS THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT THAT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST THING AT THAT BECAUSE THAT, THAT THEN ALTERED YOUR PLAN.
IF YOU CAN'T GO AROUND THE BACK END, WE'RE BACK INTO THE CITY FOOTPRINT.
THE SECOND THING WOULD BE, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE, UH, COMPACTOR AND THE ABILITY
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OF THE TRUCK TO GET INTO SERVICES, THAT IS ALWAYS TURN RADIUSES.UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVED AESTHETICS ON SURFACING, WE NEED TO CONSIDER THESE ARE HEAVY TRUCKS.
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOME KIND OF HEAVY DUTY, UH, CONCRETE FOR THAT.
THE, THE BRICKS WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE APPROPRIATE, AT LEAST WITH A TRUCK SERVICES, WHEN IT'S PICKING UP THE HUMIDITY EVERYWHERE ELSE, IT SHOULD BE FINE.
UM, AND SOME OF THIS MIGHT BE ANSWERED WHEN WE'VE GOT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO TALK TO GFL.
IT MIGHT BE YOU GOT NO CHOICE.
YOU NEED TO PICK IT UP BEFORE 6:00 AM AND YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO BACK IN THERE AND PULL OUT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT, THEY MIGHT BE BACKING UP IN THAT AND DOING THAT RATHER THAN TURN RAISED TO ME, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER AND THE ELECTRIC.
WELL, AND THAT'S ONE THING I WAS GONNA GET TO ALL, ALL THESE PLANS SHOW SOME TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURAL CHANGE TO THE DRIVEWAYS, WHETHER IT'S CURB PIPE, UM, THE TABLETOP, UM, SPEED COMING ITEM, UH, THAT CHANGES ELEVATION.
SO WE'RE GETTING INTO WHERE WE HAVE SURFACE DRAINAGE MOVING.
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE SOONER THAN LATER TO ALLOW US TO, TO CONTRACT A SURVEY IN THERE SO WE CAN FIND THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES.
WE GOT CLEAN, TOTAL GRAPHIC, EVERYTHING SO WE KNOW WHERE THE DRAINAGE IS GOING.
AND THEN THAT WAY WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT UPSETS THE PLANNING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK WITH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND WOULD YOU HAVE TO DO THAT JUST ON THE CITY PROPERTY? WE WOULD SURVEY OR WOULD IT YOU HAVE TO DO FOR ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS? CORRECT.
USUALLY IN THIS CASE WE WOULD PROBABLY AT LEAST GO TO, UM, EXISTING GRAVE WHERE YOU'RE GETTING UP ABOVE ANY CURB HEIGHTS ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SURFACE DRAINAGE, YOU'VE GOT DOWNSPOUTS FROM EXISTING BUILDINGS.
UM, NOT ALL OF IT GOES INTO THE STORM S OR PIPES DIRECTLY.
SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT IF ANY IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE IN THERE, WE WOULD NOT WANT TO UPSET WHAT CURRENTLY WORKS FOR THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN THERE.
AND THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE, SOME THAT IS UNKNOWN AND SOME THAT IS KNOWN.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE CAN DO BEFOREHAND WOULD, WOULD HELP US KEEP ON A BUDGET.
ONCE YOU GET TO THE POINT AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
ONE OF YOUR AGENDA ITEMS IS TO, UH, UH, PROJECT PROPOSALS HERE, RIGHT? WELL WHAT THAT IS SURVEY? YEAH.
WHAT, WHAT THE NEXT ITEM ON IT IS, YOU KNOW, AT THE LAST MEETING WE VOTED THAT THERE WAS AN ONLINE, UM, ACCESS FOR PEOPLE IN MSD TO UH, PROPOSE A PROJECT.
SO AT OUR REGULAR MEETINGS, MY QUESTION WHEN WE GET TO THAT ITEM WOULD BE TO OUR CITY MANAGER, DO WE RECEIVE ANY
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A PROBLEM? I AGREE.
COULD YOU PUT THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION? I'D LIKE THE MOVE THAT WE'D RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN THAT THEY AUTHORIZE, UH, GEORGE SURVEY OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS THAT, WOULD IT BE EXISTING CONDITION SURVEY TO THE EXTENT NECESSARY FOR THE, UM, ORDERLY DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.
SO LIKE THAT AS, AS NEEDED FOR PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.
HEY DAVE, SECONDS IT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A.
ALRIGHT GEORGE, THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING.
YOU ALL DON'T KNOW WOULD A BURNED, THIS IS AMAZING.
HAVE DONE, IS EVERYBODY STILL FRIENDS IN THIS ROOM? THIS IS GOOD.
OKAY, I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.
THE, UH, PROJECT PROPOSAL SUBMITTED.
WERE THERE ANY SUBMITTED? THERE WERE NONE SUBMITTED.
UM, NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT OF OUR REGULAR MEETING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, BUT THE RECORD SHOW, THERE WAS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION FOR NEXT YEAR.
UM, GOING BACK TO OUR TUESDAYS, LIKE THE THIRD TUESDAY, THAT WAS WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD LOOKED AT.
SO WE BE TUESDAY, FEBRUARY THE 18TH.
THAT WOULD BE FOR THE FIRST QUARTER.
TUESDAY, MAY 20TH FOR THE THIRD QUARTER.
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AND FOR THE LAST QUARTER, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 21ST.SO I, IF THAT SEEMS OKAY, CAN I MAKE, CAN I GET SOMEBODY TO MAKE THAT MOTION PLEASE? WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME? 19, UH, 10 21.
I LIVE, WE APPROVED PROPOSED SCHEDULE FOR 2025, UH, REGULAR MEETINGS AS PRESENTED.
NOW, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT HAVING A, UM, WORK SESSION.
WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME? I'M SORRY, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
YES, WE WE'RE GOING TO GO, UH, QUARTERLY, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA REDUCE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT, UH, IN TWO MONTHS INSTEAD OF THREE MONTHS FROM.
AND WHAT WE DO IS IT'S ONCE A QUARTER, SO WE HAVE FOUR REGULAR MEETINGS A YEAR.
SO RATHER THAN, UM, NOVEMBER, WE'RE MOVING IT BACK A MONTH TO OCTOBER.
WELL WE OCTOBER WOULD BE IN THE LAST QUARTER.
SO WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, IT JUST SEEMS EVERYBODY GETS BUSY.
WHEN YOU GET TO THE THIRD WEEK, YOU'RE ALMOST A THANKSGIVING.
AND SO CHRISTMAS, OCTOBER, YEAH, JUST SEEMED, WE REMEMBER WE ALWAYS USED TO MEET IN OCTOBER, SO THAT'S FINE.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I WASN'T BUT MAY WAS THE 20TH, CORRECT? YES.
UM, SO FOSTER, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO COME BACK TOGETHER? I, I WOULD THINK WE WANT TO HAVE A SURVEY DONE OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
SHOULD WE KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD TILL WHY, WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE FIND OUT? BECAUSE MY GOAL WILL BE TO, UM, IF GEORGE CAN GET ME A A QUOTE, UM, BY TUESDAY, WE'LL BRING THIS UP AT THE BOARD MEETING OKAY.
UH, THEN WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, WITH WHOEVER THE SURVEY WOULD BE TO SEE HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE.
BECAUSE IN MOST INSTANCES IT'S GONNA TAKE THREE, FOUR WEEKS IF THEY CAN JUMP ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO WHY DON'T WE PLAN ON JUST REACHING OUT ONCE WE HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION AND WE CAN SET A MEETING.
IS EVERYBODY GOOD ABOUT THAT? YES.
DO YOU THINK THERE'LL BE A QU
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO BRING SINCE THIS IS A REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING? DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO BRING IN BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE? I WILL TELL YOU THOUGH, I'M GLAD TO SEE MICHAEL LEE WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING A LAND USE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, THERE, IT'S IN REVIEW AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A STUDY OF, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? A FOCUS GROUP COMMITTEE.
I'M GLAD MICHAEL LEE IS ON THAT, I'M ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, AND IT'S GONNA BE FOCUSED OUR MEETING ON, UH, THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND I WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME AS FAR AS LAND USE, AND I WOULD LOVE THE SUPPORT OF THE MSD, IS THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR ALL OF THE MSD TO BE IN THE C ONE, WHICH IS THE COMMERCIAL, THE HIGHEST COMMERCIAL ZONE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE MSS D RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS, CASE IN POINT, UM, WHERE, UH, PEACOCK PLUMES, THAT BUILDING THERE, THEIR PARKING LOT THAT'S ATTACHED TO THAT PROPERTY THERE IS IN A DIFFERENT ZONE THAN THE BUILDING.
SO, BECAUSE A LONG TIME AGO IT WAS, IT'S A LOT.
SO IT HAS DIFFERENT RULES THAN THE BUILDING IN FRONT OF IT.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
IT'S A COMMERCIAL, OUR COMMERCIAL FOOTPRINT, EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE RESIDENTS AND, AND COMMERCIAL C ONE ALLOWS FOR RESIDENTS GOES FROM THE NOOSE RIVER TO, TO HANCOCK STREET, FROM THE TREK RIVER TO BROAD STREET.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL OF THAT BE UNIFORM AND BC ONE.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT, BUT I JUST THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF TALKING TO A REDO OF THE LAND USE IS GETTING THAT UNDER CONTROL.
I I THINK THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS THERE ARE CURRENTLY SOME DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE WATERFRONT AND THE INNER PROPERTY AND STUFF AND JUST I'M, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE.
I THINK IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALL, BUT C ONE IS USUALLY THE HIGHEST FOR COMMERCIAL DOESN'T HAVE THE RESTRICTIONS.
ONE OF THE RESTRICTIONS OF COURSE, THAT WE HAD THE ISSUE WITH WAS THE PARKING DOWN, YOU KNOW, UM, ON SOUTH FRONT STREET THAT YOU KNOW, WAS, UM, THEY HAD RESTRICTIONS.
SO WHEN THE HARVEY OPENED, THEY WERE RESTRICTED TO HAVING SO MANY PARKING SPACES BECAUSE
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THEY WERE NOT IN AN UNRESTRICTED ZONE.ALL C ONE IS UNRESTRICTED, SO IT CAUSED PROBLEMS FROM THEM.
SO THAT ALDERMAN HAD TO COME AND TAKE THAT STREET OUT, INCLUDE IT.
SO THEN WHAT HAPPENS THREE MONTHS LATER, UM, KELLER WILLIAMS BUYS THE HOUSE ON, UM, MIDDLE STREET AND AGAIN, THEY HAD PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT HAD TO COME OUT AS, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK, OKAY, WE SHOULD HAVE COMBINED IT.
SO IF WE GET THE MSD TO BE UNIFORM, I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN Q1 AND C TWO? UH, THERE, I I CAN'T IT OFF THE TOP.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE, THERE ARE A FEW USES BASICALLY IT WOULD HELP AN IDEA, YEAH, IT WOULD HELP YOUR AIRBNB BECAUSE THEN THE PARKING REPLAY, THERE COULD BE A LOT OF OVERLAP, BUT OKAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE YEAH.
AND SO AS PART OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE UPDATE AND, AND SOME OF YOU ARE PARTICIPATING FOCUS GROUPS IN, THERE ARE ALSO MEETINGS WHERE ANYONE CAN GO AND MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH OUR CONSULTANT.
UH, THEY CAN COVER THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU, YOU CAN SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON, ON, ON WHAT THAT IDEAL ORDINANCE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD.
SO IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE ALL OF YOUR THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS WITH THE CONSULTANT.
NOBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SORRY, WE HAVE 30 MINUTES OVER, BUT I DID GOOD.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE ALL EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT DAY.