[I. CALL TO ORDER]
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ALRIGHT, AT THIS MINUTE WE'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THURSDAY, OCTOBER 24TH, 2024, MEETING OF THE NEW BERN BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? YES, SIR.
SO FIRST MEMBER, UH, BOARD MEMBER TREY FERGUSON, AND LET THE RECORD SHOW HE'S ABSENT.
BOARD MEMBER KATHLEEN MARTY, UH, LET THE RECORD SHOW SHE'S ABSENT.
CHAIRMAN TIM TEVA HERE, BOARD MEMBER SANDRA GRAY, PRESENT VICE CHAIRMAN ERIC THOMPSON HERE AND BOARD MEMBER BARBARA SAMPSON.
PRESENT BOARD MEMBER LESLIE ALLEN, PRESENT AND BOARD MEMBER RYAN LANDY HERE.
AND MR. UH, CHAIRMAN, WE DO HAVE QUORUM.
I'D LIKE EVERYBODY TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO REPUBLIC COURT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[IV. CHAIRMAN’S REMARKS]
YEAH.SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING TO VISIT, UH, DISCUSS SOME OPPORTUNITIES HERE WITH THE BOARD.
AND WE HAVE TWO NEW MEMBERS AND APPRECIATE Y'ALL, UM, PARTICIPATING AND, AND SINCE WE'RE ON TELEVISION, UH, DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO ASK ANYBODY, UM, THAT WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOLUNTEER FOR A BOARD TO PRE PLEASE TALK TO AN ALDERMAN OR CALL OR HOWEVER, BECAUSE PARTICIPATION IS MORE THAN WELCOME.
UM, AND AS WE PROCEED, PLEASE MAKE SURE ALL CELL PHONES ARE OFF.
UM, AND IF ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK HAS NOT SIGNED IN YET, WE'D SURE LIKE Y'ALL TO SIGN IN NOW, UM, SO WE CAN PROCEED ON AND NOT HAVE A STOP TO HAVE YOU ALL SIGN IN.
AND IF THERE'S ANY EMERGENCY, JUST PLEASE GO AHEAD AND STEP OUT AND TAKE CARE OF IT, AND WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO, TO MOVE ON ALONG.
AND THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING.
UM, SO REAL SIMILAR TO A COURT.
SO WE DO LIKE TO HAVE, UM, PROFESSIONAL SPEAKERS WE MAY ASK.
THE BOARD MEMBER MAY ASK, UH, UM, IF YOU'RE A, AN APPRAISER OR AN ATTORNEY, UM, AND PLEASE DON'T BE UH, OFFENDED BY THAT.
UM, WE, WE MAY GIVE A PERSON THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OTHER INFORMATION IF WE THINK THAT IT'S PERTINENT TO THE DISCUSSION.
UM, SO PLEASE GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH US AS WE GET THROUGH THE PROCESS.
IF WE, WE DO, UH, THINK THAT WE'RE GETTING LONG-WINDED, WE WILL SET THE CLOCK.
YOU KNOW, WE TYPICALLY GO FOR THREE MINUTES.
WE, WE DO OUR BEST TO GIVE EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UM, SO PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
IF WE START TO GET SOME LONG-WINDED FOLKS, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND IF THERE ARE FOLKS THAT MAY HAVE THE SAME TOPIC TO SPEAK ON, AND IN A CASE OF NOT BEING REDUNDANT, PLEASE DO OUR BEST TO HAVE ONE TRY TO DO THEIR BEST TO SPEAK.
WE DO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY ONE STAFF DOES THE PRESENTATION FOR A PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME.
ANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AND THEN LASTLY, THE APPLICANT WILL BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THOSE, UH, ANY QUESTIONS, I SHOULDN'T SAY THOSE, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP FROM PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE BOARD AT ANY TIME, UM, HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO STEP IN AND ASK A QUESTION, UM, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO LET EVERYBODY GO THROUGH, UM, AND NOT DO THAT.
BUT IF THERE IS SOME CONTENTION THERE OR CONFUSION, WE WILL ASK A QUESTION.
AND, AND JAMIE WILL HELP TRY TO KEEP US STRAIGHT.
SOMETIMES WE'LL HAVE A BOARD MEMBER ASK JAMIE FOR A QUESTION ON HOW TO PROCEED AND, UM, WE'LL MOVE ON FROM THERE.
SO ANYBODY WHO IS GONNA SPEAK, I GUESS IT'S TIME THAT WE SHOULD SWEAR IN THE PRESENTERS AND WE'D LIKE EVERYBODY WHO IS GONNA SPEAK TO, TO STAND AND THEN RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, MR. CHAIR.
WE MAY HAVE ANOTHER GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK.
IF YOU'RE AN APPLICANT OR YOU INTEND TO SPEAK AT ALL TONIGHT TO THE BOARD, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
OKAY? DO WE HAVE EVERYBODY? OKAY, GOOD.
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU.
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AND WE DON'T HAVE A DECISION PENDING FROM THE LAST MEETING, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, MR. CHAIRMAN.[VI. SPECIAL USE APPLICATION(S)]
SO OUR FIRST APPLICANT WILL BE THE CORPORATE TRAINING CENTER FOR CRAVEN TECHNICAL INSTITUTE.AND BEFORE WE EVEN GET STARTED, I WILL DISCLOSE THAT I DO HAVE A BROKER'S LICENSE AND MY BROKER'S LICENSE IS WITH REALTY SERVICES.
UM, BUT I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE, UH, APPLICATION, THE PROCESS, AND, UH, BROKER, I'M NOT AN APPRAISER.
AND IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT HAS A QUESTION, WE CAN.
MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR THAT DISCLOSURE.
I WOULD ASK YOU, UM, JUST A A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
UM, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPRAISER IN THIS MATTER, UM, OUTSIDE OF THIS, THE CONTEXT OF THIS HEARING? NO.
HAVE YOU HAD ANY PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE APPRAISER SUCH THAT IT WOULD INFLUENCE YOUR OPINION, YOUR ABILITY TO BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL TONIGHT? NO.
IS THERE ANY QUESTION IN YOUR MIND ABOUT WHETHER YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE EVIDENCE PROFFERED IN THE RECORD AND DURING THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE TONIGHT? NO, THERE IS NO QUESTION.
AND IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO DETERMINE WHETHER, UH, CHAIRMAN TABAK HAS A CONFLICT, I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
SO KENDRICK, ARE WE READY FOR A PRESENTATION? YES, SIR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M JUST GONNA BRIEFLY ADDRESS THE AUDIENCE.
UM, SO GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY AND THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING TONIGHT'S BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING.
SO BRIEFLY, I'M JUST GONNA EXPLAIN THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS, AND I THINK MOST ARE HERE FOR AN ITEM OR AN APPLICANT OF AN ITEM.
BUT TYPICALLY FOR THIS BOARD, THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES PERTAIN, UH, STRICTLY TO THIS CRITERIA THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN.
THESE SIX ELEMENTS ARE ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE BOARD WILL BASE THEIR DECISION ON, UM, PENDING THAT THEY HAVE THE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN MET.
SO THEIR DECISION HAS TO BE BASED, BASED ON THIS CRITERIA.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, IF THE BOARD SO CHOOSES, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO IMPOSE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS IF THEY, UH, FIND THEY WANT TO DO SO.
AND TONIGHT I'LL BEGIN WITH PRESENTING OUR FIRST ITEM.
SO OUR FIRST ITEM HERE IS THE CORPORATE TRAINING CENTER, AND THIS IS FOR, UH, SUP 0 0 2 9 3 8 20 24.
THE LOCATION IS 800 COLLEGE COURT IN NEW BERN, NORTH CAROLINA.
AND THE PROPOSED USE IS COLLEGE UNIVERSITIES, COMMUNITY COLLEGES, INCLUDING ASSOCIATED FACILITIES SUCH AS DORMITORIES, OFFICE BUILDINGS, ATHLETIC FIELDS, AND ET CETERA.
THE REQUEST SUMMARY HERE, THE APPLICANT IS AND ASSOCIATES INC.
ENGINEERS, PLANNERS, SURVEYORS, AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS.
THE OWNER, UH, IS CRAVEN TECHNICAL INSTITUTE AND THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS A HUNDRED 0.2 ACRES.
UH, THE PARCEL IDENTIFICATION NUMBER FOR THE ACTUAL PROPERTY IS EIGHT DASH 202 0 2, AND THE ZONING DISTRICT IS COMMERCIAL FIVE OR C DASH FIVE.
AND THAT'S FOLLOWED BY THE VICINITY MAP HERE, WHICH IS SHOWN, IT HIGHLIGHTS THE PARCEL IN RED.
UM, AND THEN THAT MAP IS FOLLOWED BY THE BUFFER MAP.
AND THE BUFFER MAP HAS TAKEN FROM A HUNDRED FEET WITHIN THE PROPERTY SURROUNDINGS OF THE PROPERTY LINES.
SO THAT JUST BASICALLY EXPLAINS OUR NOTICE REQUIREMENTS AND ALL NOTICES WERE SENT OUT IN ACCORDANCE TO LANDUS ORDINANCE.
THEN WE FOLLOW THAT WITH THE, THE AERIAL MAP, AND THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA AS TO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND FOR THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OR PARCEL.
AND LASTLY, THERE IS A ZONING MAP, WHICH ALSO REFLECTS THE C DASH FIVE COLOR, WHICH IS THAT TEALISH BLUE THAT YOU SEE INDICATED.
AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS, THIS IS PER STAFF, BUT STAFF CONFIRMS THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED WAS DEEMED TO BE COMPLETE.
AND STAFF CAN ALSO CONFIRM THAT THE REQUEST IS WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TABLE OF MUNICIPAL USES.
AND LASTLY HERE WE HAVE THE CRAVEN COMMUNITY COLLEGE CORPORATE TRAINING CENTER.
IT'S THEIR SITE PLAN, SO IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA AS TO WHERE THE LOCATION IS GONNA BE, UM, FOR WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO IS TO, UH, DO AN EXPANSION ON WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTING.
IT'S AN EXPANSION, ESSENTIALLY ADDING ANOTHER BUILDING.
SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE FLOOR PLAN SOMEWHAT SO TO SPEAK, FOR THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE.
UM, BUT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, I'LL TAKE THOSE AT THIS TIME.
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SO I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.SO IS THERE SOMEONE WITH THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION? AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ANY PROFESSIONAL CREDENTIALS YOU MAY HAVE.
WE'RE COUNSEL FOR THE COLLEGE.
UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF THIS VERY EXCITING NEW PROJECT FOR THE COLLEGE.
UH, WE HAVE A TEAM WITH US TONIGHT, UH, CONSISTING OF JIM MILLARD.
HE IS THE VICE, UH, PRESIDENT OF ADMINIS FOR ADMINISTRATION, THE CFO OF THE COLLEGE.
OUR ARCHITECT IS JOHN PARKAS WITH JKF ARCHITECTURE, AND OUR ENGINEER IS STEVE JANOWSKI WITH RIVERS AND ASSOCIATES.
UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA TELL YOU A LOT MORE ABOUT THE PROJECT.
JIM'S GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE OVERALL FLAVOR AND THEN, UM, UH, STEVE AND JOHN WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE TECHNICAL DETAILS.
UH, WE HAD ALSO SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE, I THINK JUST YESTERDAY THOUGH, BUT PRIOR TO THE MEETING TO, UM, JAMIE AND KENDRICK A, UM, SUMMARY, A REPORT BY SUZANNE NELSON, A MAI CERTIFIED APPRAISER.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE REPORT, I HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT SIGNED BY SUZANNE, CONFIRMING THE REPORT THAT SHOULD ADDRESS YOUR REQUIREMENT OF, UH, IMPACT ON ADJOINING PROPERTIES.
UM, SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, JIM MILLARD, THE, UH, CFO OF THE COLLEGE.
GOOD EVENING, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEMBERS AND BOARD CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE PRESENTATION ON THE CORPORATE TRAINING CENTER AND WHAT OUR PRIMARY GOAL IS FOR THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY.
WE ARE LOOKING TO ADD A FACILITY ON THE CAMPUS THAT'S LARGE ENOUGH TO SERVE AS A MEETING SPACE CAPABLE OF HOSTING UP TO 500 PEOPLE WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY BEING FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO CHANGE IT INTO SOME CLASSROOMS, CLASSROOMS OR BREAKOUT ROOMS THAT CAN BE AS SMALL AS MAYBE 20, 30 PEOPLE AS LARGE AS A HUNDRED.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO SPACE ON OUR CAMPUS THAT ACCOMMODATES THAT, THAT KIND OF A, A MEETING.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE WITH THESE SPACES.
THE CAPABILITY THAT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO HAVE MULTIPLE USES.
OUR CURRENT NURSING STUDENT POPULATION, FOR EXAMPLE, EXCEEDS ANY AVAILABLE CLASSROOM SPACE THAT WE HAVE, CAUSING US TO PUT THEM IN MULTIPLE SECTIONS IN MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ON THE CAMPUS, RATHER THAN GETTING THEM ALL INTO ONE ROOM AT THE SAME TIME AND HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT TRAINING, LEADERSHIP, LEARNING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE CAN'T DO THAT WITH WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE.
WE'VE ALSO BEEN ASKED SEVERAL TIMES BY STATE, ACADEMIC AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO HOST GROUPS SUCH AS THE NORTH CAROLINA PRESIDENT'S ASSOCIATION AND OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME OUT TO NEW BERN, THIS AREA AND HOLD MEETINGS OR CONFERENCES.
SO THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO THE MIDDLE OR TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STATE.
SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
ALSO, WE HAVE VERY LIMITED CAPACITY TO CONDUCT TRAINING SESSIONS, UH, EXCEEDING ANY NOMINAL CLASSROOM CAPACITY.
THE ONLY FLEX SPACE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AT THE CAMPUS IS THE NOMAN ROOM.
IT SEATS AT BEST WITH TABLES AND PUTTING PEOPLE IN THERE.
AND, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE ANY OTHER PIECES IN THERE, LIKE COFFEE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, 50, 55 MAYBE.
AND THAT'S REALLY PUSHING THE LIMITS OF THAT ROOM.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO COME UP WITH SPACE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THAT SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS, ESPECIALLY OUR STUDENTS.
THE CORPORATE TRAINING CENTER WILL ASSIST OF MULTIPLE AREAS FROM, FROM THE COLLEGE AND IT WILL SERVE FROM THE FOUNDATION AND TO LIFETIME LEARNING FROM HEALTH PROGRAMS TO BASIC LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING, CORPORATE PARTNERSHIPS, AND TO BE ABLE TO HOST OUR OWN JOB FAIRS RIGHT THERE ON SITE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE REALLY LIKE TO LOOK AT IS HAVING JOB FAIRS RIGHT WHERE THE STUDENTS ARE.
WE ALWAYS HAVE TO GO, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO DO THIS.
HAVING THEM RIGHT THERE WHERE THE EMPLOYERS CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING AS WELL AS HAVE THE STUDENTS THERE IS A BIG PLUS FOR US.
IT WILL ENHANCE OUR ABILITY TO SERVE THE COLLEGE, OUR STUDENTS, AND OUR COMMUNITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR ARCHITECT FOR THIS PROJECT, JOHN FARKAS FROM JKF ARCHITECTURE.
AND I THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THE CORPORATE TRAINING CENTER AND WHAT OUR GOALS ARE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I GUESS, SIR, I JUST MAKE SURE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, UH, A NEW BUILDING? YES, MA'AM.
UH, MAKING SURE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AN EXISTING BUILDING? NO, MA'AM.
IT'D BE A NEW BUILDING ON THE MAIN CAMPUS.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS TO THE BOARD? THANK YOU.
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GOOD EVENING.I'M PRINCIPAL OF JKF ARCHITECTURE ARCHITECTS OUTTA GREENVILLE.
UH, WE ARE THE, I'M THE PRINCIPAL ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, WITH ME IS STEVE JANOWSKI OF RIVERS AND ASSOCIATES.
UH, AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ANSWER, UH, THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE POSTED, THE THREE, THE THREE BASIC QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, LIFE SAFETY AND THOSE THINGS.
SO AS FAR AS THE PROPOSED APPLICATION OF THE PROJECT AND THE DEVELOPMENT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE, UH, THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THAT.
THERE'S LIFE SAFETY, WHICH AS AN ARCHITECT I HAVE DEALT WITH AND I'M RESPONSIBLE ON THE, THE ARCHITECTS SIGNING AND CEILING, THE DRAWINGS FROM A LIFE SAFETY STANDPOINT, RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING CODE AND LIFE SAFETY.
UH, MR. JANOWSKI IS THE CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, HELPING US COMPLY WITH ZONING ORDINANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I'LL LET HIM TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS JUST FOR, UH, A MINUTE OR SO.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 1918 IN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA AND THE PIEDMONT.
AND, UH, WE, WE'VE IN INTEGRATED WITH, UH, MANY MUNICIPALITIES, NEWBURN FOR MANY YEARS AND SORT OF PROCESS WE'VE DONE, IT'S PREPARED A SITE PLAN PACKAGE THAT WOULD MEET, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCES.
UH, WE SUBMITTED THAT IT WENT THROUGH A TRC REVIEW.
THERE WAS COMMENTS, WE RESPONDED IN THE COMMENTS.
YOU KNOW, THE TOTAL SITE PLAN PACKAGE INCLUDES A FIRE ACCESSIBILITY.
IT, IT INCLUDES, UH, HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY, INCLUDES STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES, SANITARY SEWER EXTENSIONS OF WATER, UH, TO THE SITE, UH, AND, AND, UH, ADDRESS ANY, UH, PARKING ISSUES AND ANY SETBACK ISSUES.
SETBACKS WERE NOT REALLY AN ISSUE HERE 'CAUSE THE, THE WAY THIS CAMPUS, UH, IS, IS MORE OF AN O UH, THIS SORT OF SITS DEAD CENTER OF THE CAMPUS WITH PARKING TO THE EAST, PARKING TO THE WEST, AND PARKING TO THE SOUTH, AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESSIBILITY TO THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY.
SO IT'S PERFECTLY DESIGNED REALLY TO SERVE ALL THOSE BUILDINGS AND CLASSROOMS. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE PRESENTED.
THE, UH, THE OTHER PART OF THIS WAS ABOUT, UM, THAT THE USE USEFUL NOT MATERIALLY ENDANGER THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY IF LOCATED WHERE PROPOSED AND DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO THE PLAN IS SUBMITTED.
UH, SO THE BUILDING IS A 12,300 SQUARE FOOT ONE STORY BUILDING.
IT IS LOCATED LITERALLY IN THE HEART OF THE CAMPUS IN WHAT WE, WHAT WAS CALLED THE QUAD AREA.
SO IT'S NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE PERIMETER OF THE PROJECT OF THE, OF THE CAMPUS.
IT'S LITERALLY DEAD CENTER SURROUNDED BY BUILDINGS ON TWO SIDES, PARKING TO THE NORTH, A LITTLE BIT OF PARKING TO THE NORTH, UH, AND OTHER BUILDINGS IN MORE QUIET AREA TO THE SOUTH.
UH, WE DID NOT RE NEED TO PUT ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING, UH, ON THE FACILITY AS THE, THE, THE QUANTITY OF SPACES HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED BY THE OWNER IS ADEQUATE, UH, FOR WHAT THEY DO.
THEY DON'T EVER FILL THOSE, THESE PARKING LOTS UP.
UH, AS FAR AS PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, UH, AS THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT, I HAVE OVER 30 YEARS AS A REGISTERED ARCHITECT RIGHT HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA.
UM, AND THE PROJECT WAS ALSO HAS, UH, WHAT WE CALL STATE CONSTRUCTION OFFICE OF STATE CONSTRUCTION OVERSIGHT.
IT'S A NORTH CAROLINA STATE AGENCY, WHICH WE HAVE TO SUBMIT OUR DRAWINGS TO FOR APPROVAL, UH, BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY PROCEED THROUGH THE DESIGN PHASES AND, AND GO TO BID.
SO THE PROJECT HAS BEEN DESIGNED WITH THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF LIFE SAFETY, UH, AWARENESS AND THE PROJECT, THE BUILDING WILL BE FULLY SPRINKLED, UH, AND, UH, THE BUILDING WILL BE FULLY HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE.
UH, IT HAS, UH, MORE THAN THE REQUIRED PLUMBING FIXTURES FOR IT.
UH, IT HAS A FULLY DESIGNED HVAC SYSTEM, AND IT'S ALSO ARCHITECTURALLY COMPLIMENTARY TO ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON CAMPUS UTILIZING SIMILAR BRICK AND METALS AND MATERIALS AND GLASS.
UH, SO THERE'S, UM, ABSOLUTELY NO DANGER TO ANYONE AT ALL, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
UM, THE LOCATION AND CHARACTER, UH, AND USE OF THE SITE ACCORDING TO THE PLANS THAT WE SUBMITTED WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE AREA.
AGAIN, I'M REPEATING MYSELF A LITTLE BIT HERE.
THE BUILDING IS ARCHITECTURALLY DESIGNED WITH SIMILAR BRICK, UH, SIMILAR ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENTS AS TO WHAT'S ON CAMPUS ALREADY.
UM, AND IT'S FAR AWAY FROM ANY, ANY OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS, UH, UH, WITHIN THE CAMPUS.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH INTERNAL, UH, IN TERMS OF ITS LOCATION.
WE'RE ALSO, UM, CONSTRUCTING A, UH, STORM WATER WETLANDS, UH, THERE, BECAUSE IT, IT WASN'T THAT MUCH OF A, A BUILDING, 12,000 SQUARE FEET'S, NOT VERY BIG, BUT WHERE WE PUT IT, WE WENT AHEAD AND WE, WE DESIGNED IN A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT
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WETLAND.SO IT'S A, IT'S A CONSTRUCTED WETLANDS THAT'LL LOOK, LOOK LIKE VEGETATION OUT THERE, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT IT, IT WON'T BE HOLDING THE WATER, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, WE, WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A VEHICULAR ACCESS LANE FOR THE FIRE TRUCKS TO GET IN AGAIN, WHERE IT'S AT, WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THE BUILDING ONLY HAD A PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK FROM ONE ONE PARKING LOT TO ANOTHER.
UH, WE ENDED UP ENHANCING THAT TO BE FULLY CAPABLE OF HANDLING A, UH, A FIRE TRUCK, UH, AND ALSO THE LONG LADDER TRUCK AS WELL, UH, AND HAVE THE PROPER TURNAROUNDS AND JUG HANDLES AND TEES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET IN AND GET BACK OUT AGAIN, ADDING SOME FIRE HYDRANTS, UH, AND ENHANCING THE WATER SERVICE TO THE BUILDING.
UH, WE HAVE A FIRE PUMP IN THE BUILDING IS GETTING HIGHLY TECHNICAL HERE, BUT A FIRE PUMP IN THE BUILDING TO, UH, HELP THE BUILDING SYSTEM PUT OUT FIRES IN CASE THERE'S A LOSS OF WATER PRESSURE.
WE HAVE FIRE PUMPS IN THE BUILDING AS WELL.
SO OUR, OUR REPUTATION IN DESIGNING HIGHLY, UH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS THAT ARE LIFE SAFETY AS WELL AS FUNCTIONAL AESTHETICALLY UH, LEASING IS, IS REALLY WHAT THE PROJECT HAS BEEN ALL ABOUT.
SO I'D BE GLAD, I THINK THAT ANSWERED THREE OF THE FOUR POINTS VERSUS THE APPRAISAL OF WHICH, WHICH YOU HAVE THAT AS WELL.
SO THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE STORM WATER CAPACITY, DOES IT ALL STAY ON SITE OR DOES IT FLOW INTO OTHER EXISTING STORM WATER, OR WHAT'S THE PROCESS THERE? UH, IT, IT FLOWS INTO OTHER STORM WATER.
UH, MATTER OF FACT, THERE'S A, UH, AN EXISTING DITCH THAT'S ON THE FACILITY AND THERE'S OTHER STORM WATER THAT'S COLLECTED.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE CREATED A KIND OF A PARALLEL SYSTEM TO THAT DITCH.
WE COLLECT WATER FROM THIS LITTLE OVER AN ACRE AND SOME OF THE EXISTING THAT'S COMING OFF SOME THE ROOF RANGE THAT WE, AND PICKED THAT UP, PUT IT IN THE WETLAND SO THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE OVER-TREATING, UH, THE AMOUNT THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN THERE.
AND THEN WE'RE DOING SOME ATTENUATION, WHICH JUST LITERALLY MEANS HOLDING BACK SOME OF THE POST DEVELOPED FLOW TO MEET SOME OF THE PRE-DEVELOPED, UH, REQUIREMENTS, MEANING WHATEVER IT, WHATEVER THAT LOOKED LIKE IN A GRASS CONDITION WITH SOME OF THE EXISTING BUILDING TOPS THAT WERE OUT THERE.
AND THE EXISTING BMPS ARE ACTUALLY ON CAMPUS.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THERE'S TWO OF 'EM THAT ARE ON CAMPUS SO THAT ARE, ARE APPROVED.
PART OF THIS IS, IS ALMOST IS A REDUNDANT PIECE THAT WE, WE CHOSE TO DO.
THAT WAY WE COULD ISOLATE IT WAS SIMILAR TO SOME, A FEW OF THE OTHER SITES THAT WERE DEVELOPED BEFORE US DID SOME, UH, REDUNDANCY.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE CHOSE TO DO HERE IS CREATE SOME REDUNDANCY IN STORMWATER AND GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THAT AS IT'S ITS OWN PIECE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S ADDITIONAL TREATMENT DOWNSTREAM.
AND I, FOR, FOR FOLKS THAT MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR, BMPS OR BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, AND I'M SURE IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS, THE NO RIVER REPAIR AND BUFFER RULES.
SO JUST, JUST TO HELP OUT WITH THE PROCESS.
SO ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
UH, JAMIE, DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE AMBITION OF THAT DOCUMENT? WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ACCEPTED INTO THE RECORD.
SO THE DOCUMENT IS CAPTION AFFIDAVIT OF APPRAISER SUZANNE H NELSON.
AND THE AFFIDAVIT ACTUALLY INCORPORATES THE APPRAISERS REPORT THAT I THINK WAS CIRCULATED TO YOU PREVIOUSLY, WHICH IS ALREADY A PART OF THE RECORD.
SO I'M GONNA HAND THE DOCUMENT THAT I'VE JUST REFERENCED TO KENDRICK AND HE'LL PASS THAT AROUND SO THAT YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE, THE FACTUAL BASIS FOR THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE APPRAISERS REPORT.
AND I THINK MR. PARSONS WAS ADMITTING THIS, THIS EVIDENCE TO SATISFY THE CRITERIA.
NUMBER FIVE, UM, DEALING WITH THE VALUE OF ADJOINING ABUTTING PROPERTIES.
SHOULD WE TAKE A MINUTE AND EVERYBODY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY? IF, IF WE COULD TAKE A MINUTE JUST FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THE AFFIDAVIT ITSELF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN, BUT THE REPORT IS CONSISTENT.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY CIRCULATED.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH THAT, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, RESPONSE? UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
BEFORE WE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN LET'S TAKE A MINUTE TO GO THROUGH THIS.
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THANK YOU.SO TECHNICALLY THE FIRST TWO PAGES ARE THE ADDITION 'CAUSE THE DOCUMENT APPEARS TO BE ADDED TO THE END.
THE, THE FIRST TWO PAGES ARE, I THINK THE FOUNDATION THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOR THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE REPORT.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? SO DO WE NEED, DO WE NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT OR NO, SIR, WE, WE CAN JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THE AFFIDAVIT AND REPORT WERE, UM, ADMITTED AND ACCEPTED, INCORPORATED INTO THE RECORD.
SO WE'D LIKE TO OPEN THE MEETING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'VE ONLY GOT A COUPLE OF NAMES HERE ON THE LIST.
UM, JIM MILLARD, I THINK IS ONE THAT'S LISTED THAT WE WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD.
WE GOT, SO DO WE HAVE ANYBODY AT ALL THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK PUBLIC COMMENT IN REFERENCE TO? OKAY.
SO WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, I GUESS THERE'S NO NEED FOR REBUTTAL, UM, SINCE THERE'S NO PO PUBLIC COMMENT IN REFERENCE TO THE CRAVEN COUNTY, UH, GRIFFIN TECHNICAL INSTITUTE.
SO ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT WE ALL HAVE AS A BOARD ON, UH, I KNOW, UH, HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A FIVE PUMP AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW DO THE FIVE PUMP, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE FIVE PUMP, YOU KNOW, WHAT DID IT DO? I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO, BUT I'M SAYING, I'M SORRY.
HOW DO YOU ACTIVATE THE FIVE? HOW DO THE FIVE POINT BE ACTIVATED? THE FIVE POINT, UH, THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM? YES.
UH, WELL IT'S A STANDARD SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
UM, IT'S A STANDARD SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN THE BUILDING.
A SPRINKLER HEADS ALL THROUGHOUT.
IF THERE'S A FIRE IT ACT, IT'S, IT ACTIVATES, UM, THE SPRINKLER HEAD THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE FIRE.
THE IDEA BEING THAT IT PUTS THAT ONE SPRINKLER HEAD, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A HUNDRED IN THE BUILDING, THAT ONE CAN PUT THAT FIRE OUT BEFORE IT SPREADS.
IF IT SPREADS, THEN THE SPRINKLER HEADS KEEP ACTIVATING AUTOMATICALLY.
THE FIRE PUMP SENSES THAT WATER'S FLOWING INTO THE BUILDING, UH, AT A HEAD OR SOMETHING.
AND IF THE PRESSURE DROPS, THE PUMP KICKS IN AUTOMATICALLY AND BOOSTS UP THE PRESSURE IN ORDER TO KEEP THE WATER FLOWING INTO THE BUILDING.
AND WE HAVE A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM IN THERE TOO THAT ACTIVATES, UH, WHEN THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM STARTS TO FLOW, IT ALSO SENDS OUT ALARMS TO EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, COLLEGE, EVERYBODY INVOLVED GETS, GETS UH, GETS ALARMS. THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NO.
SO I GUESS, JAMIE, IS IT TIME TO GO THROUGH THE SIX CRITERIA? LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC IN LIGHT OF THAT ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
SO NUMBER ONE, UH, THE REQUESTED PERMIT IS WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION, ACCORDING TO THE TABLE OF PERMISSIBLE USES.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION AND IF IF WE DO, WE CAN TALK.
IF NOT, WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
SO I GUESS SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT, WE CAN GET A MOTION.
WE NEED A MOTION IN A SECOND SO WE CAN VOTE ON NUMBER ONE.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT IT.
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OKAY.SO THE MOTION IS THAT WE ACCEPT THE, THE PRIVILEGE BECAUSE THE JURISDICTION IS IN ACCORDANCE TO THE TABLE.
YOU IS FORM, RIGHT? WE, YES, WE NEED TO TRY TO DO EVERY, ALL THE THINGS EXACTLY BY THE WORD.
UM, SHOULD WE DO A ROLL CALL OR CAN WE JUST DO A SECOND? WAS THERE A SECOND MR. CHAIR? I THOUGHT SECOND.
UM, SHOULD WE DO A ROLL CALL? JUST ALL IN FAVOR, WHICH YOU CAN DO A VOICE VOTE.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, MOTION CARRIES.
SO NUMBER TWO, UH, THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETE.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE APPLICATION AS COMPLETE.
DO WE HAVE WE HAVE A MOTION? UM, YES.
THAT THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETE AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
IF COMPLETED AS PROPOSED IN THE APPLICATION, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION THEY HAVE COMPLETED AS PROPOSED IN THE APPLICATION, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE USE WILL NOT MATERIALLY ENDANGER THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY IF LOCATED WHERE, PROPOSED AND DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO THE PLAN AS IT'S SUBMITTED.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE USE WILL NOT MATERIALLY ENDANGER THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY IF LOCATED, WE PROPOSED AND DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO THE PLAN AS SUBMITTED.
SECOND, DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? CALL FOR A VOTE ON NUMBER FOUR.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE USE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INJURE THE VALUE OF ADJOINING OR A BUDDING PROPERTY OR THAT THE USE IS A PUBLIC NECESSITY.
I SAID THAT CORRECT I THINK RIGHT
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION TO CARRIED.
AND NUMBER SIX, THE LOCATION AND CHARACTER OF THE USE IF DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO THE PLAN AS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED, WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE AREA IN WHICH IT IS TO BE LOCATED AND IN GENERAL, CONFORMITY WITH THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY OF NEW NEWPORT.
DO WE HAVE A DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE LOCATION AND CARRIAGE HEALTH USE IF DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO THE PLAN AS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED, WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE AREA IN WHICH IT IS LOCATED IN A GENERAL CONFORMITY WITH THE PLAN OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY OF NEW VERN.
SECOND, WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION.
OKAY, SO WE ALSO NEED A MOTION THAT ALL THE SIX, WE NEED A MOTION TO ISSUE THE PERMIT.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE THE PERMIT? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ISSUE THE PERMIT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND IT.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO I GUESS THAT COMPLETES, UM, ALL THE COMMENTS FOR THE CRAVEN COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
GOOD JOB PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
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THANK YOU.ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE WITH THE SECOND ITEM HERE.
AND THIS IS THE GREYHOUND BUS STATION AND THIS IS SPECIAL USE PERMIT 0 0 2 9 6 1.
THE LOCATION IS 24 0 6 NEW BOULEVARD, NEW BERN, NORTH CAROLINA.
AND THE PROPOSED USE IS A BUS STATION.
SO THE REQUEST SUMMARY HERE IS, UH, THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER ARE BOTH MOIR LLC AND THE TOTAL ACRES IS 0 28.
THE PARCEL IDENTIFICATION FOR THE PROPERTY IS EIGHT DASH 0 2 9 DASH 1 3 6.
AND THE ZONING DISTRICT IS COMMERCIAL THREE FOR C DASH THREE FOR ABBREVIATION.
ON THE FIRST MAP WE HAVE HERE, UH, IT'S GONNA SHOW A GREENISH COLOR THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT IS THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL PROPERTIES TO THE VICINITY MAP FOR, AND THAT'S FOLLOWED BY THE BUFFER MAP, WHICH YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY IN THE FIRST ITEM.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S JUST TO REITERATE THAT IT'S FOR THE PROPERTY BALANCE FOR THE A HUNDRED FOOT THAT WE DO THE MAIL NOTICE FOR.
AND THAT'S FOLLOWED BY AN AERIAL MAP TO TRY TO GIVE YOU AN UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND AND THE ZONING MAP, WHICH, UH, THAT SHOWCASES THE RED COLOR TO DISTINGUISH THE C3, UH, ZONING DISTRICT AND THE COMMERCIAL THREE DISTRICT.
AND FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION FROM THE STAFF, STAFF JUST CONFIRMS THAT THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED WAS DEEMED TO BE COMPLETE AND WE ALSO, OR EXCUSE ME, STAFF ALSO CAN CONFIRM THE REQUEST, UH, IS WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION IN ACCORDANCE TO THE TABLE AND MUNICIPAL USELESS.
OKAY, SO LASTLY HERE IS THE SITE PLAN, UM, THAT SHOWCASES EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
YOU HAVE THIS IN YOUR PACKETS AS WELL, BUT IF THE BOARD HAS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE THOSE AT THIS TIME.
I GUESS MY GREATEST QUESTION WOULD BE THE ZONE CURRENT ZONING VERSUS THE USE AND WHERE WE LAY WITHIN THE LIST OF USES FOR THAT ZONING AND, AND HOW THE PUZZLE FITS TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT.
SO THE, THE USE, UH, PROMPTS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UH, IT IS C3, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL THREE.
SO, UH, PER THE TABLE OF PERMISSIBLE USES, IT STATES THAT IT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION OR REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE APPLICATION.
BUT, BUT IT, IT IS A USE THAT IS PERMITTED BY SPECIAL USE.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO STEP FORWARD AND MAKE ANY COMMENTS? AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YES SIR.
UH, I'M THE OWNER OF THE LOCATION AND I'VE BEEN A DEALER FOR GREYHOUND FOR MAYBE 12, 13 YEARS SO FAR.
I USED TO HAVE THIS, UH, BUS STATION ON HIGHWAY 17, UH, TOWARDS LIKE SOUTH.
UH, BUT I WAS RENTING, UH, THE LOCATION AND MY, UH, CONTRACT LEASE, UH, WAS ENDED IN 2023.
SO I WAS LOOKING FOR ANOTHER LOCATION.
AND THEN WE APPLIED FOR, UH, THE SPECIAL USE LICENSE TO MOVE THE BUS STATION.
AND, UH, I THINK IN MY OPINION, IT'S GONNA BE BETTER FOR THE CUSTOMERS BECAUSE IT'S TOWARDS DOWN, IT MORE CONVENIENT, MORE SAFE.
UH, BECAUSE, UH, IN THE PAST WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE DISTANCE, UH, ON THE HIGHWAY.
IT'S LIKE TWO MILES AWAY FROM, UH, THE CENTER OF TOWN.
SO, UH, UH, THEN WE HAD THE SURVEYOR AND UH, WE DID EVERYTHING, UH, NEEDED FOR THIS, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YES.
I, I JUST WANNA ASK, UM, YOU OWN THAT THE SAME BUS STATION? IT WAS ON MARTIN LUTHER KING DRIVE, RIGHT? I USED TO RENT, I USED TO RENT IT, YEAH.
SINCE 2009 ACTUALLY WE, UH, I STARTED THE, THE BUS STATION HERE.
UH, I CAME TO THE SAME COUNCIL,
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WAS IN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE BUILDING, AND THEY GAVE ME THE PERMIT AND I STAYED THERE SINCE 2009 TILL 2021.AND THEN WE HAD TO MOVE IT NOW TO, UH, YEAH.
OVER BOULEVARD BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT THE, UH, THE BUSES BE STOPPING THERE ANYWAY.
AND, BUT I BUT I WANT TO ASK, THE QUESTION I WANT TO ASK THOUGH, IS, UH, ALL YOU GOING TO FIX THE BUILDING UP SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SIT INSIDE AND PEOPLE CAN SIT OUTSIDE? YES, EVERYTHING.
YEAH, I'M WORKING WITH THE CITY RIGHT NOW ON EVERYTHING.
IS THAT, UM, FACILITY STILL IN USE? TODAY IS A GAS STATION? UH, IT IS, BUT IT'S CLOSED FOR BUSINESS, FOR RENOVATION.
SO WHEN YOU REOPEN IT AS THE BUS STATION, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE GAS STATION? YES.
CONVENIENCE STORE AND BUS STATION? YES, MA'AM.
AND, UH, THE LOCATION IS GOOD FOR THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC BECAUSE WE HAVE DIESEL PUMPS.
UH, BIG TRUCKS USED TO COME TO THE LOCATION, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE SIZE OF THE TRUCK OR THE BUS.
AND I HAD A, A SIMILAR QUESTION MS. SAMPSON, ABOUT ARE YOU GONNA HAVE BATHROOMS YES.
PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO WAIT? THINGS LIKE THAT? WE HAVE BATHROOMS ALREADY AND EVERYTHING.
DID YOU ADDRESS THE, UM, LIKE BACKFLOW, PREVENTER QUESTION FOR THE, UM, THAT THE WATER DEPARTMENT HAD? I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION.
IF YOU GOT THE MIC, MAYBE THE WATER DEPARTMENT HAD AN ISSUE, UM, WITH NEEDING A BACKFLOW PREVENTER.
UH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY ISSUES.
LET'S WANDER THROUGH THE, THE INFORMATION.
CAN, KENDRICK, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT COMMENT AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY RESPONDED THAT IT WAS ADDRESSED OR NOT? I CAN DO THAT.
I'M JUST DOUBLE CHECKING TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T THE PREVIOUS ITEM.
WHILE WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT AS WELL.
I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
UH, THE LIGHTING, ARE YOU GOING TO IMPROVE THE LIGHTING ON THE PROPERTY LIGHTING LIGHTING AT NIGHT? YES.
I'M, I'M WORKING ON EVERYTHING ACTUALLY.
I'M GONNA BE WORKING ON EVERYTHING ONCE WE GET THIS STARTED.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD AND, UH, FOR SAFETY, YES, LIGHTING AT NIGHT AND HAVING THAT BUS CIRCLE, THE PROPERTY, WELL ACTUALLY WE DON'T HAVE IT.
I THINK RIGHT NOW YOU ONLY HAVE SOME LIGHTING KIND OF IN THE FRONT OF THE, ACTUALLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY BUSES COMING, UH, LATE NIGHT.
UH, THERE, THERE'S ONLY TWO BUSES, ONE IN THE MORNING AROUND 10, 11, AND THE OTHER ONE IS AROUND TWO OR THREE GOING SOUTH.
AFTER THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ANYTHING GOING ON.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, TO REVERT BACK TO THE BACKFLOW QUESTION I WAS ASKED BY BOARD MEMBER RYAN, SO THAT WAS PERTAINING TO THE PREVIOUS ITEM.
THIS PARTICULAR ITEM FOR THE BUS STATION DID NOT HAVE A COMMENT FROM WATER RESOURCES.
UM, YES, I, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR KENDRICK.
UM, THERE ALSO, UM, SO WE, WE'VE ASKED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS IN REFERENCE TO THE PARCEL AND THE APPLICANT HAS MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE MADE.
SO WHERE ARE WE IN A POSITION AS FAR AS THE APPLICATION GOES? UM, SINCE SOME OF THESE ITEMS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, IMPROVED AT A LATER DATE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ALL NEED TO CONSIDER AS OF ADDITION TO THE PERMIT IF WE SO CHOOSE TO GET TO THERE? OR WHERE DO WE ALL FIT IN THAT PUZZLE? SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THAT IN PART, PROBABLY IN PART WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AS WELL.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT BOTH OF US HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING WITH MR. MOHE JUST TO GIVE YOU, UH, WHAT I WOULD DEEM, I GUESS FACTUAL EVIDENCE.
SO MR. MOHE IS IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT RESTORATION TO THE BUILDING, UM, PER THE CITY'S, UH, I GUESS DEMAND IN SOME WAYS, UH, DUE TO THE STATE THAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN, WHICH WAS IN ENDANGERMENT IN SOME WAYS OR IN MOST CASES.
SO WORKING THROUGH WITH OUR NUISANCE AND ABATE WITH SUPERVISOR AS WELL.
WE'VE ALL KIND OF BEEN WORKING WITH MR. MOHE WHO HAS COMPLIED THUS FAR WITH, UH, THE REQUEST.
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AT LEAST EXPRESS OR SPEAK TO.YEAH, SO, AND JAMIE, I GUESS THAT'S FOR YOU ALSO AS WE PROCEED THROUGH THE PROCESS.
WHERE DO WE FIT AS A BOARD IN THIS THOUGHT PROCESS? WHEN, IF WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE MAKE THE MOTIONS TO, TO ASK THOSE SIX CRITERIA, ASSUMING WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN SATISFY ALL SIX CRITERIA? I'M HEARING SOME CONCERNS FROM BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT LIGHTING, UM, AND, AND SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WHICH COULD BE ADDRESSED AS A CONDITION.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, THE APPLICANT IS ALREADY IN PROCESS AND IF YOU WANT TO ATTACH REASONABLE CONDITIONS TO ASSURE THAT HE CARRIES OUT WHAT HE HAS, UM, FORECASTED TO YOU TONIGHT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CERTAINLY CAN ENTERTAIN.
BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT, UM, YOU HAVE A DUTY TO RECEIVE COMPETENT MATERIAL, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE FOR EACH OF THE SIX CRITERIA BEFORE YOU AND THE STATUTE TELLS US WHAT COMPETENT EVIDENCE IS CONSIDERED AND ON THE ISSUE OF VALUE, UM, WHETHER THERE IS GOING TO BE ANY IMPACT OF VALUE TO ADJOINING AND ABUTTING PROPERTIES.
THE STATUTE VERY CLEARLY TELLS US THAT LAY WITNESS TESTIMONY IS NOT COMPETENT EVIDENCE ON THAT CRITERIA.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT HAS ANY OTHER WITNESSES, UM, THAT HE INTENDS TO CALL TONIGHT OR IF HE HAS A LETTER FROM A CERTIFIED REAL ESTATE APPRAISER THAT CAN OFFER ANY EVIDENCE ON THAT CRITERIA.
UM, IF THERE IS NO EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD AS TO THAT CRITERIA, THE BOARD HAS TWO OPTIONS.
ONE, UM, YOU COULD FIND THAT THERE IS NOT EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD AND YOU CAN DENY THE APPLICATION OR YOU CAN MOVE TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATION, CONTINUE THE HEARING RATHER, UM, TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO MINE THAT EVIDENCE AND PRESENT IT TO YOU AT A LATER DATE.
AND SO AS WE WENT THROUGH THE SIX CRITERIA AT ANY TIME THAT WE COULD TO MAKE THAT CHOICE WHETHER TO CONTINUE AND OR ADD A CONDITION, Y YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, AS YOU ARE RECEIVING EVIDENCE TONIGHT, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT IS GLARINGLY MISSING, YOU MIGHT ASK THE APPLICANT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THE DEFICIENCY AND THAT'LL GIVE YOU SOME, SOME FACTS TO ROLL AROUND ABOUT WHICH PATHWAY MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
YEAH, SO I GUESS THE, THE BIG QUESTION THAT JAMIE BROUGHT UP WAS IN REFERENCE TO NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT ADJOINING PROPERTY.
SO IS THERE EVER ANY EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE TO US FROM A PROFESSIONAL, UH, ABOUT VALUATION OF PROPERTY CURRENTLY VERSUS WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE ONCE THE BUS STATION IS DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY GUIDELINES? UH, BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DIDN'T BRING ANYTHING WITH ME, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE A MAJOR HIGHWAY IN, IN THE CITY AND, UH, THERE'S, UH, MOST OF THE IS THERE AND ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S A GAS STATION AND THEY GET THE SAME KIND OF TRAFFIC I'M GONNA GET IS NOTHING SPECIAL.
AND UH, UH, LIKE I TOLD YOU, SOME PEOPLE THEY MIGHT, UH, BECAUSE THEY LIVE HERE, THEY MIGHT, UH, UH, GO THROUGH THAT, UH, INTERSECTION AND THEY NOTICE THERE'S NO LIGHT IN BECAUSE THE BUSINESS IS, IS CLOSED.
SO ONCE THE BUSINESS IS GONNA BE UP, THE EVERYTHING IS IN THERE.
LIKE THE LIGHT IS THERE, EVERYTHING IS IN THERE.
UH, SO I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA AFFECT ANYBODY'S BUSINESS OR THE VALUE OF ANY OTHER BUSINESS AROUND ME BECAUSE OF THE BUS, BECAUSE THE BUS, UH, THEY COULD STOP ANYWHERE AND PICK UP PEOPLE OR DROP PEOPLE OFF ANYWHERE, LIKE ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET, YOU KNOW? SURE, FAIR ENOUGH.
SO ON, UH, I THINK DURING YOUR, YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS, THERE WAS A ONE MADE THAT THE GAS STATION ITSELF USED TO SERVICE DIESEL TRUCKS.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY DIESEL TRUCKS USED TO BE SERVICED OR IF THEY WERE TRACTOR TRAILERS OR ANY, UM, TYPE OF HISTORY THAT YOU COULD HELP US WITH? I MEAN, UH, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, UH, I USED TO GET LIKE, UH, COCA-COLA TRUCKS TO MY GAS STATION.
UH, EVEN, UH, SOME LOCAL PEOPLE, THEY OWN, UH, TRUCKS, BIG TRUCKS, THEY COME EVERY DAY.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, 10 TO 15,000, UH, UH, A GALLON OF DIESEL I USED TO SELL EVERY MONTH.
SO THAT'S VERY GOOD AMOUNT OF TRUCKS AND UH, BIG VEHICLES COMING TO MY LOCATION.
SO, AND THAT'S THE SAME LOCATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE BUS STATION? I'M TALKING ABOUT ON THE HIGHWAY 17TH.
YEAH, I KNOW THE, UH, PREVIOUS OWNER AND HE WAS GETTING THE SAME THING, UH, THE SAME AMOUNT OF CUSTOMERS I WAS GETTING.
ACTUALLY HE HAD SOME CONTRACTS WITH BIG TRUCKS, UH, LOCAL COMPANIES AND THEY USED TO COME TO HIS PLACE AND FILL UP WITH DIESEL AND UH, GO.
MR, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER CHAIR
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QUESTIONS? MR. I, I JUST WANNA DIRECT THE BOARD'S ATTENTION BACK TO THE STATUTE.UM, ON THE ISSUE OF VALUE, WHETHER THERE'S GOING TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL INJURY TO ANY OF THE ADJOINING OR BUDDING PROPERTIES, YOU MUST ENTERTAIN EXPERT WITNESS TESTIMONY.
SO IN ORDER TO CONSIDER ANY OF THE INFORMATION THAT THE APPLICANT JUST SAID, UM, AND FIND IT, IT'S COMPETENT EVIDENCE, YOU ALL WILL NEED TO FIND THAT HE HAS SOME TYPE OF EXPERT, UM, CREDENTIALING OR EXPERIENCE IN THE ISSUE OF VALUATION IN ORDER TO RECEIVE WHAT HE SAID INTO EVIDENCE.
SO I GUESS THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, FROM MY STANDPOINT, WE MIGHT HAVE A BOARD MEMBER WITH AN ADDITIONAL ONE.
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR EXPERIENCE? HAVE YOU BEEN A BROKER? HAVE YOU BEEN AN APPRAISER? YOU KNOW, CAN YOU HELP ME OUT AS FAR AS WHAT YOUR BACKGROUND OTHER THAN BEING A BUS OPERATOR? ACTUALLY I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE, UH, WHAT THEY CALL IT, UH, UH, REAL ESTATE SINCE 2008.
UH, I FLIP HOUSES AND UH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH LIKE, UH, EVERYTHING IN THIS FIELD.
I, I I, I KNOW EXACTLY 'CAUSE FROM MY EXPERIENCE THE FIRST TIME WE STARTED THIS, WE HAVE THE SAME DISCUSSION, UH, ABOUT, UH, WHERE THE LOCATION, WHERE, WHERE THE LO WHERE THE, WHERE THE BUS GONNA COME TO, UH, THAT LOCATION.
ACTUALLY I HAVE MORE APARTMENTS, UH, MORE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREA CLOSER TO THAT LOCATION THAN THIS ONE.
THIS ONE, IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL AREA BECAUSE RESTAURANTS AROUND YOU, BOTH SIDES, UH, CINEMA, UH, UH, PLAZA, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL PLAZAS AND THERE'S NO REALLY RESIDENTIAL AND WE DIDN'T FACE ANY PROBLEMS THEN.
AND WE SUPPOSED TO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMPLAIN USUALLY ABOUT, UH, MAYBE NOISE OR, UH, ANYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW.
BUT WE DID NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES IN THE PAST.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHY, FROM MY VIEW OR MY OPINION, THIS IS A BETTER LOCATION FOR THIS.
AND I HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES SAYING IT IS A BETTER LOCATION.
WELL, SO THERE REALLY IS NO PROFESSIONAL CRITERIA, IT'S JUST WHAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED THROUGH FLIPPING HOUSES.
AND I, AND I HEARD THE WORD SEAMS, WHICH REALLY MADE ME NERVOUS ABOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE SEAMS, IT DOESN'T MAKE ME, DOESN'T GIVE ME THE WARM AND FEEL, YOU KNOW, PART IS THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PROFESSIONAL OPINION.
SO, UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL, 'CAUSE I KNOW IN, UH, THIS AREA YOU GOING TO NOW IN NEW BOULEVARD, I KNOW YOU HAVE, UM, WELL WASHING CARS AND STUFF.
YOU GOING TO GET RID OF THAT AND MAKE MORE SPACE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT A SPACE ON MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, IT LOOK LIKE I, TO ME, I'M NOT PROFESSIONAL, BUT TO ME, LIKE IT WAS BIGGER THAN NEW BOULEVARD.
LIKE HAD MORE ROOM, HAD MORE ROOM THERE, LITTLE BIT.
THAT ONE WAS AROUND AN ACRE, AND THIS ONE IS 0.8.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLD GAS, UH, THE BUS STATION USED TO BE ON GEORGE STREET.
IT, IT JUST, WHICH IS NOT TOO FAR FROM THE NEW LOCATION.
WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, IT'S WAY, WAY SMALLER.
AND IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO LIKE WE, I THINK WE DOING BETTER.
LIKE EVERY TIME WE, WE, WE MOVE IT, I THINK IS, DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? HAVE YOU EMPLOYED ANY PROFESSIONAL ASSISTANCE? ANYBODY LIKE, UM, SURVEYOR OR ANYBODY LIKE FOR WATER PURPOSES OR FOR YOUR LIGHTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YES, WE DID.
UH, WE DID LIKE A HIGHER, UH, SURVEYOR TO SHOW HOW THE BUS GETS IN AND HOW TO GET OUT AND, UH, WHERE TO PARK FOR LIKE, UH, CUSTOMERS.
AND UH, IF, UH, IF THERE IS ANY, UH, HANDICAP, UH, AC ACCESSIBLE, UH, PLACES AND ALL THAT, WE, I MEAN WE TOOK CARE OF ALL THAT.
SO THAT WAS ALL DONE BY THE SURVEYOR, IS THAT IT WASN'T DONE BY AN ENGINEER AT ALL.
WELL, WHICH IS ENGINEER OFFICE SURVEYOR.
SO BRAD, BRAD SUITS AN ENGINEER ALSO.
I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE, I DON'T, I DIDN'T SEE IT EITHER.
THAT'S WHAT I, AM I MISSING SOMETHING ON THAT? KENDRICK, IS HE A ENGINEER ALSO OR JUST A SURVEYOR? AS FAR AS I CAN SAY, I BELIEVE HE'S JUST A SURVEYOR.
UM, THAT'S WHAT APPEARS TO BE INDICATED BY HIS, UH, CREDENTIALS.
SO, UM, THAT'S AT THE BASE OF THE SITE PLAN ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
AND I APOLOGIZE, FRED, IT IT, IT SUITS IN THE TV AUDIENCE FOR SAYING JUST, I DIDN'T MEAN IT THAT WAY.
UH, THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T FAIR.
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QUESTIONS? YEAH, THANK YOU.UH, WE'RE GONNA DO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP AGAIN AND SPEAK AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, SO I GUESS ONE THING I'M MIGHT, UH, MENTION AT THIS TIME IS WE ALL NEED TO CONSIDER WHETHER THAT'S PROFESSIONAL TESTIMONY AND WHAT IS THOUGHT OF, UM, WITH THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, ENGINEER VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SURVEYOR AND THE LIGHTING QUESTION.
UM, IN ADDITION TO AN APPRAISER, UM, FOR NUMBER FIVE.
SO JUST AS WE THINK THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE CONSIDERATION ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
IS THAT FAIR ENOUGH, JAMIE? YES, SIR.
UM, SO WE'D LIKE TO OPEN, UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THERE'S ONE PERSON HERE THAT'S ON THE LIST.
PAUL, WOULD YOU COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? YES.
PAUL TINGLE AND I LIVE IN BEAUFORT, NORTH CAROLINA.
UH, PREVIOUS RESIDENCE OF CRAVEN COUNTY.
WORKED FOR CRAVEN COUNTY SCHOOLS FOR 30 YEARS.
UM, AND AND YOU OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT ADJOINS THIS? I OWN, UH, 24 0 4, THE PAINT STORE THAT IS NEXT DOOR TO IT.
DIRECTLY TO THE RIGHT FACING, UH, TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF IT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YES.
UM, AND MY PROBLEM IS THAT THERE'S BATHROOMS OVER THERE, THEY SAY, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN COMING, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN COMING OFF THE BUSES THAT BE GOING OVER TO MY TENANTS ASKING TO USE THE BATHROOM OVER THERE.
'CAUSE APPARENTLY THEY'RE NOT WORKING THERE.
UM, AND IF THEY DON'T USE 'EM THERE, THEY GO IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND I HAVE TO GO BACK THERE AND CLEAN THAT UP.
UM, LIQUOR BOTTLES, BEER CANS, ALL THAT STUFF IS HAPPENING THERE.
AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S FROM THE CLIENTS FROM THE BUS, BUT IT DOESN'T HELP THAT THE BUS, THAT THE BATHROOMS ARE NOT OPEN AS WELL.
SO, UM, AND I JUST THINK IT'S, IT IS JUST NOT GONNA BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO OUR PROPERTY TO LOOK GOOD, UM, UNLESS HE'S GOING TO DO WHAT HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO DO.
IF HE'S GOING TO OPEN THE BATHROOM, HAVE ALIGHTED FACILITY, HAVE A STORE, I'M ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
BUT UNTIL ANY OF THAT HAPPENS, I'M JUST, SO FAR, I'M, I'M AGAINST IT.
AND THERE'S ALSO SOMEONE THAT'S LIVING THERE IN A CAR RIGHT NOW THAT IS JUST CAMPED OUT THERE.
I'VE BEEN OVER THERE IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, TWO TIMES, AND HE'S STILL OUT THERE.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO THE EXCEL, UM, CHILDCARE NETWORK THAT'S OVER THERE, JUST RIGHT DIRECTLY BEHIND IT.
SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
WELL, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? HANG ON A SECOND.
UH, MR. TANGA, WE, WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT HAVE A QUESTION FROM THE BOARD FOR YOU.
UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A, NO, UH, IF HE, THE, THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU SEE YOU HAVE BY THE BUS STATION BEING OVER THERE, IF HE FIXED THOSE SITUATIONS, ARE YOU MORE WILLING? ABSOLUTELY.
I WOULD, I MEAN, IF I COULD, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT WOULD DO SO MUCH MORE FOR NEW NEW BOULEVARD.
'CAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT PLACE.
I, I'VE LIVED IN NEWBURN MY ENTIRE LIFE AND I KNEW, I MEAN, I, ONE OF MY UNCLES, HIS FRIEND OWNED IT AND THERE WAS A SHOOTING THERE.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M OLD SCHOOL FROM THERE, SO, UM, I JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AS A BETTER FACILITY.
MR. TINGLE, UM, YOU STATED THAT YOU'VE OWNED THIS BUSINESS FOR HOW LONG? I'M SORRY, WHAT? THE LIVING STORE? YES SIR.
IT'S BEEN IN MY FAMILY PROBABLY AT LEAST FOR 50 YEARS.
AND THEY'RE A TENANT OF OURS, THEY LEASE FROM US.
AND I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TAKEN AWAY FROM THAT.
IF I LOSE THEM, IT WILL PROBABLY BE HARD TO GET SOMEONE ELSE IN THERE IF THAT'S WHAT HIS LOCATION IS NOT UPGRADED.
SO THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN OF MINE TOO.
BUT I MEAN, SO AS PBG GLEN, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN THAT FOR YEARS.
SO AS IT STANDS, YOU FEEL AS THAT THERE'S AN IMPACT TO THE BUSINESSES? YES, I DO.
KENDRICK, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES, SIR.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THIS IS ALREADY FUNCTIONING AS A BUS STATION.
DID I MISS SOMETHING? SO THE APPLICANT WASN'T AWARE INITIALLY, UH, WHEN HE TRANSITIONED FROM MLK TO NEW BOULEVARD, THAT HE NEEDED TO OBTAIN ANOTHER SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THE EXPECTATION, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND WHEN WE HAD OUR CONVERSATION WAS THAT HE COULD HAVE CONTINUED.
WHEN WE FINALLY, UH, GOT SOME COMPLAINTS THAT WERE RECEIVED, I HAD OF COURSE APPROACHED THE APPLICANT AND WE HAVE NOW KIND OF SHORT JUST EVERYTHING WE CAME HERE WHERE FAST FORWARDING I UNDERSTAND.
UM, SO HE'S BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PROPER PROTOCOL TO NOW ESTABLISH PERMITS, BUT IT WAS ACTIVE AS A BUS STATION AND THAT'S WHAT PROMPTED THE COMPLAINTS.
AND DID I HEAR, PERHAPS YOU STATED OR SOMEONE STATED THAT NUISANCE ABATEMENT HAS GOTTEN INVOLVED IN THIS.
IS THAT CORRECT? INITIALLY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS INVOLVED AND THEN THAT KIND OF TRANSPIRED TO SOME POTENTIAL FOR FINES.
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KNOW IF IT WAS ACTUALLY THE, UH, NOTICE OF VIOLATION WAS EVER RELEASED.I CANNOT RECALL THAT TO BE HONEST.
BUT I KNOW I SPOKE WITH A NUISANCE AND ABATEMENT SUPERVISOR IN REGARDS TO THE SITUATION HE WAS FAMILIAR WITH IT.
IS JAMIE, I WOULD HAVE A, A QUESTION ALSO.
IT, IT SEEMS LIKE IF WHEN WE START DISCUSSING, WE MAY HAVE CHALLENGES ALL THE WAY UP TO NUMBER ONE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE SIX CRITERIA THAT WE ARE GONNA NEED TO DISCUSS IN OUR PROCESS.
UM, SO, SO ONE THING YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO, IF WE'RE GETTING TO THE PLACE WHERE THERE'S NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, AND ASSUMING THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE A REBUTTAL, IS YOU MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WEIGH THE EVIDENCE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TONIGHT.
UM, IF YOU FIND THAT THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED IS NOT COMPETENT BECAUSE IT IS NOT AN EXPERT OPINION ON THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE, THAT REQUIRE EXPERT TESTIMONY, THEN THERE'S A DEFICIENCY THERE THAT MAY NOT BE CURED TONIGHT.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU CAN DECIDE ONE THAT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATION TO, PERHAPS THE NOVEMBER MEETING, WHICH MAY GIVE, OR WHENEVER YOU SAY, UM, WHICH MAY GIVE THE APPLICANT SOME TIME TO GET EVIDENCE TO SPEAK TO THOSE ISSUES.
UM, IT MAY ALSO GIVE THE APPLICANT TIME TO PRESENT ANY OTHER SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATION.
AND YOU FIND DEFICIENCIES IN THE CRITERIA IF YOU VOTE TO DENY THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICATION THE APPLICANT CANNOT BE, THE APPLICATION CANNOT BE RECONSIDERED FOR SIX MONTHS.
SO YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE THAT TUCKED IN THE BACK OF YOUR BRAIN AS YOU DECIDE WHICH PATHWAY YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO DOWN.
BUT YOU CAN DECIDE, A, A MAJORITY OF YOU CAN DECIDE TO CONTINUE THE HEARING ON THIS APPLICATION AT ANY POINT.
AND I WOULD BE SPECIFIC WITH THE REMEDY SUCH AS IF YOU FIND IT DEFICIENT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE EXPERT TESTIMONY FOR VALUE OR INJURING OF, UH, ADJOINING PROPERTIES VALUE, THE REMEDY COULD BE YOU GET A LICENSED APPRAISER TO PROVIDE THAT VALUE OPINION REPORT.
SO DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY OR WITHIN THE PROCESS TO ASK FOR PARTICULAR SPECIFIC ITEMS TO BE PRESENTED IF WE HAVE DISCUSSION IN REFERENCE TO CONTINUING OR DENIAL? WELL, THE, THE STATUTE TELLS US THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE EXPERT TESTIMONY ON CRITERIA NUMBER FIVE.
AND THE CASE LAW TELLS US WHAT TYPES OF EVIDENCE ARE PERMISSIBLE.
SO WE CAN EITHER HAVE LIVE TESTIMONY UNDER OATH OR WE CAN HAVE A REPORT THAT HAS A PROPER FOUNDATION.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO FLAVORS THAT WE HAVE.
AND, AND MR. GOFF IS CORRECT THAT IF YOU ARE, LET'S JUST SAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE APPLICATION TO GIVE THE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE ON THE ISSUE OF VALUATION, YOU CAN SAY BY EITHER LIVE EXPERT TESTIMONY OR A REPORT WITH THE PROPER FOUNDATION.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS CURRENTLY? YES.
UH, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, WELL, I, WELL 'CAUSE I KNOW WE NEED A BUS STATION AND SO MY THING IS I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO GET SOME EXPERT OR GET AN EXPERT OPINION AND MAYBE NEXT MONTH COME BACK WITH AN EXPERT BECAUSE IF THE THINGS STAND NOW, WE WON'T REALLY APPROVE IT.
BUT I WANT, I KNOW WE NEED A BUS STATION, SO I'M GONNA GIVE, I, I WANT GIVE YOU THE CHANCE TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH AND BRING A PROFESSIONAL SO THAT WE CAN ASK THEM QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE NEED A PROFESSIONAL TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED ASKED.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? UH, LET ME ASK ONE CLARIFICATION IF I CAN.
UH, THE, UH, WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE CONVENIENCE STORE TO ENHANCE IT, TO FIX IT UP, ARE YOU DOING THAT AS A PROJECT WITH A PERMIT FROM THE CITY? NO, I HAVEN'T STARTED YET.
'CAUSE, UH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WHEN I MOVED, UM, MY, UH, LIKE FROM THE OLD GAS STATION I HAD, UH, THE OWNER, HE KICKED ME OUT ILLEGALLY.
'CAUSE HE TOOK ME TO COURT SAYING LIKE, I BEEN THERE AT HIS PLACE FOR 15 YEARS WITHOUT PAYING ANY RENT.
AND HE TOOK ME TO COURT IN BEAUFORT COUNTY IN BEAUFORT.
AND, UH, HE HAD A RESTRAINING ORDER ACCORDING TO THAT WITHOUT ME, UH, NOBODY LISTENED TO ME OR ASK ME.
AND THEN WHEN I WENT TO COURT, THEN DROPPED, HANG ON ONE SECOND.
JUST LET ME STOP YOU FOR ONE SECOND.
IS THIS RELATIVE TO THE OLD PROPERTY? YES.
OR THE NEW PROPERTY? NO, THE OLD, OLD, YEAH.
SO I DON'T THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY RELEVANT.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE DISCUSSING THE NEW PROPERTY, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO LET, LET, LET ME HANG ON ONE SECOND.
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WE'RE STILL IN PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WERE KIND OF DISCUSSING, UM, PROCESS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT OUR OPPORTUNITIES WERE.SO LET'S, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT FIRST ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS FINISH ANY DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD STARTED WITH JAMIE AND ROBERT AND KENDRICK IN REFERENCE TO PROCESS.
AND THEN WE'LL REOPEN THE, YOUR REBUTTAL STANDPOINT.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I JUST WANTED TO ASK TO STAFF? YES.
AM I CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE NOT STARTED ANY, ANY REPAIRS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT THIS POINT? NO, NO.
I CLEANED THE PLACE VERY WELL, UH, MANY TIMES.
BUT I HAVE, UH, THOSE, UH, HOMELESS GUY ACTUALLY.
HE WORKS ACROSS THE STREET AND HE KEEP COMING AND I CALL THE POLICE MANY TIMES, BUT HE KEEPS COMING AND EVERY TIME I GO THERE I TELL HIM TO LEAVE, BUT HE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE.
HE SAID, I HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.
THAT'S THE ONLY PROBLEMS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
BUT I CLEANED THE PLACE VERY WELL.
UH, IT WAS WORSE THAN THIS WHEN I GOT IT.
UH, BUT I REALLY, BECAUSE I WAS KICKED OUT, I LOST A LOT OF MONEY IN THE OLD PLACE.
UH, THAT'S WHY IT WAS A SLOW START FOR ME, BUT I AM WILLING TO FIX IT UP THE RIGHT WAY AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
UM, I GUESS WE'RE GOOD WITH QUESTIONS.
UM, JUST WANT TO KIND OF MAKE A, A COMMENT AS WE MOVE TOWARDS YOUR OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL.
AND I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CHALLENGE RIGHT OFF IN NUMBER ONE AS, AND, AND I'M ASKING YOU THESE THINGS I GUESS AHEAD OF TIME.
SO YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT HOW YOU TALK ABOUT THE REBUTTAL.
AM I ALLOWED TO DO THAT, JAMIE? IS THAT OKAY? OR YOU, YOU CAN ASK HIM QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW HE, WHAT EVIDENCE HE HAS TO SATISFY THE CRITERIA.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO, I GUESS WE'RE GONNA START AND WHEN WE START THE, THE REBUTTAL PROCESS, AND I GUESS WE'RE DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE 'CAUSE UM, YEAH, I'M GOOD.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE PAST THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'LL MOVE INTO THE RE THE REBUTTAL PROCESS.
SO DURING THE TESTIMONY THAT WE'VE HEARD, WE'VE BEEN CHALLENGED BY WHAT ITEMS WERE PROFESSIONAL, WHAT ITEMS WERE FROM LICENSED FOLKS AND, AND WHAT THEIR CRITERIA WAS TO PRESENT THAT INFORMATION.
I THINK YOU'VE HEARD THE THINGS THAT WERE DEFICIENT IN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THOSE DEFICIENCIES ARE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT AS A BOARD ABOUT.
SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO CONTINUE DENY OR GRANT.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE OUR THREE OPPORTUNITIES AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN PRESENT TO US TO HELP THE BOARD MAKE THAT DECISION, YOU KNOW, IS WHERE WE NEED TO GO WITH YOUR REBUTTAL TO THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU'VE HEARD.
AND, AND, AND I, I DON'T WANNA LEAD YOU, WHICH I THINK WAS WHAT JAMIE WAS MAYBE DIRECTING ME NOT TO DO WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT QUESTIONS.
NO, YOU, YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY ASK SOME QUESTIONS.
SO YOU, YOU MENTIONED CRITERIA NUMBER ONE.
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT HOW HIS PROPOSAL SATISFIES, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PERMIT WAS, IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION ACCORDING TO THE TABLE OF PERMISSIBLE USES, YOU CAN ASK HIM THAT QUESTION.
AND WE CAN DO THAT PRIOR TO OPENING UP THE VOTE FOR THE YES, SIR.
IF THAT'S A QUESTION THAT YOU WANNA PROPOSE TO THE APPLICANT, YOU CAN DO THAT.
SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE, THE, THE THING I WOULD DIRECT MAYBE TO THE BOARD MEMBERS, IF THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN ASK, UM, PARTICULAR, AND THIS, UM, GOES BACK TO LESLIE, YOUR QUESTION.
UM, THIS IS THE TIME THAT WE NEED TO DO IT SO WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT I HAVE A BIG QUESTION OF, AND I'LL THROW IT OUT TO START WITH, IS THE VALUATION.
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS WHAT, AGAIN, I THINK I TRIED TO LEAD TO IT LAST TIME.
WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSIONAL CRITERIA TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT VALUATION OR APPRAISAL PROCESS IN REFERENCE TO NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER FIVE? IT WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE TO MOVE TO THAT.
THE USE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INJURE THE VALUE OF ADJOINING OR ABUTTING PROPERTY OR THAT THE USE IS A PUBLIC NECESSITY.
SO IS, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN HELP US WITH THAT, THAT WHAT YOU'VE TOLD US TODAY COMES FROM A PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT IN REFERENCE TO VALUATION? UH, IF YOU ARE, LIKE, IF YOU GIMME THE CHANCE FOR, UH, NEXT CHANCE, UH, WE HAVE A MEETING HERE, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO ASK AROUND TO SEE, UH, WHO I NEED TO LIKE, UH, TO GET A REPORT FROM FOR THIS, UH, POINT.
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THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE AND UH, LIKE, UH, I TOLD YOU I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR THE LAST 13, 14 YEARS AT ONE SPOT WITHOUT NO PROBLEMS. BUT I THINK WHAT JAMIE HAD MENTIONED IS NOT BEING A LICENSED APPRAISER IS WHERE WE, WE RUN INTO A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.MAYBE, UM, DO WE HAVE, CAN, CAN WE KIND OF MOVE ON AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND MAKE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT TO CONTINUE OR WHERE ARE WE AT? JAMIE? UH, SIR, YOU CAN, IF YOU WANT TO CLOSE THE EVIDENTIARY PORTION OF THE HEARING AND GET TO THE CRITERIA, YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN DO THAT.
IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE AT THIS POINT THAT THERE IS INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD, YOU CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, WHETHER IT'S A CONTINUANCE OR SOMETHING ELSE.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL PROFESSIONAL EVIDENCE THAT YOU CAN PRESENT TO US THAT WOULD HELP IN REFERENCE TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED BEFORE WE CLOSE THE REBUTTAL PROCESS? UH, RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU NEED ME TO, BUT I JUST WANNA MENTION SOMETHING.
I'M NOT MAKING ANY MONEY OUT OF THIS.
I'M JUST HELPING GREYHOUND AND PEOPLE IN TOWN BECAUSE SINCE, UH, THE CITY CAME TO ME AND THEY SAID, YOU NEED A LICENSE FOR THIS, THE OLD LICENSE IS NOT GONNA WORK.
SO, UH, THE CITY HAS BEEN WITHOUT NO BUS STATION FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS.
AND GREYHOUND, THEY KEEP CALLING ME AND TEXTING ME, ASKING ME WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE CITY AND ARE YOU ABLE TO GET THAT OR NOT.
BUT REALLY, I'M NOT MAKING ANY MONEY.
AND, UH, THE ONLY REASON I, UH, WAS STICKING WITH GREYHOUND, UH, IF I WANNA OPEN THE GAS STATION AGAIN, IT JUST LIKE BRINGS PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE TRAFFIC TO THE STATION.
THAT'S THE ONLY BENEFITS I GET FROM THIS.
THE PUBLIC PEOPLE, THE PUBLIC AND NEWBURN IS GETTING MORE, UH, FROM THIS THAN ME, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR YEARS.
BECAUSE I DON'T GET ANY COMMISSION, I DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY.
WHAT I, WHAT I'VE HEARD THE APPLICANT SAY TONIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE, UM, COMPETENT EVIDENCE ON THE ISSUE EVALUATION TONIGHT.
HOWEVER, HE WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT IN THE FUTURE.
SO YOU MAY UNDERSTAND THAT AS A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATION.
AND SO I GUESS MAYBE THE BEST I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION, I SECOND MOTION TO A DATE, MOTION TO CONTINUE.
WE GOT IN OUR MOTION TO CONTINUE, WHICH I THINK MR. THOMPSON, YOU WERE SAYING YOU WANNA CONTINUE THE APPLICATION TO THE NOVEMBER, 2024 MEETING.
AT FIVE 30 IN THE CITY HALL COURTROOM.
AND GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT FACTUAL PROFESSIONAL EVIDENCE.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? AND MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO INDICATE, JUST TO GO AHEAD AND SAY IT FOR THE RECORD, IF WE CONTINUE TO THE DATE CERTAIN, WHICH IS NOVEMBER 21ST, UM, BASICALLY THIS ITEM WILL NOT BE RE-NOTICE IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO WHAT THE FIRST ITEM WAS.
I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL.
UM, YES, BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE A QUESTION WITH, BUT WILL YOU ALL MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT KNOW WHAT'S REQUIRED SO WHEN HE COME BACK THAT HE'LL KNOW WHAT TO DO? HE KNOW HE GONNA NEED A PROFESSIONAL YES.
YOU KNOW, MAKE, MAKE HIM AWARE OF WHAT HE NEED BECAUSE THEN WHEN HE COME BACK, HE CAN BE BETTER PREPARED.
UH, MS. SAMSON, WE DID, UH, DID, WE DID OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE IT WAS MET THE, UH, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY HERE.
SHE ALSO MADE THIS EXPRESSION IN EMAIL.
I VOICED IT VERBALLY WHEN THROUGH DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT.
AND YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING Y'ALL DID.
BUT I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, LET'S MAKE SURE YES, MA'AM.
WELL, AND, AND, AND I THINK HE'S HERE TONIGHT AND I THINK HE'S HEARING FROM YOU ALL WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO.
AND HE'S SHAKING HIS HEAD IF HE UNDERSTANDS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GIVE HIM LEGAL ADVICE.
UM, HE WOULD NEED TO GET HIS OWN ATTORNEY FOR LEGAL ADVICE.
BUT IF THIS BOARD IS SAYING YOU NEED THIS PARTICULAR INFORMATION IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS, I THINK THAT'S COMING THROUGH LOUD AND CLEAR.
SO I THINK THERE'S A MOTION IN THE SECOND ON THE TABLE, MR. CHAIR.
AND IN THIS CASE, SHOULD WE DO A ROLL CALL? UM, SINCE WE ARE DOING THE CONTINUING, ARE WE OKAY? OKAY.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING UNTIL THE NOVEMBER, WHAT WAS THE DATE? 2020 21ST MEETING.
CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING PLEASE? UM, MR. KENDRICK AND, UH, MS. JAMIE, SHE, THEY TOLD ME ABOUT THIS, UH, PARTICULAR THING THAT I NEED THE, SOMEBODY'S OPINION ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND ME.
BUT, UH, SINCE I SPENT ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY ON THIS, UH, SO FAR BETWEEN THE, THE FEES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SURVEYOR AND STUFF, AND I'M NOT MAKING MONEY.
SO THAT'S WHY I TRIED TO COME HERE
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WITHOUT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA SPEND MORE MONEY BEFORE I EVEN STARTED AND, UH, KEEP IT IN, UH, CONSIDERATION THAT I LOST MY, UH, PREVIOUS, UH, BUSINESS AND I'M TRYING TO GET INTO THIS ONE.TO TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND PLEA, PLEASE UNDERSTAND OUR PREDICAMENT.
THAT, THAT WE NEED PROFESSIONAL INFORMATION AND DATA TO, TO ENTERTAIN.
AND IT PUTS US IN A PRETTY BAD BIND TO, TO TRY TO SIFT THROUGH AND UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
AND IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER WHEN WE GET A NICE PACKET FULL OF DATA THAT HAS, YOU KNOW.
SO, AND WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST 'CAUSE WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE BUS STATION TOO.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY, BUT WE'D NEED TO GO THROUGH THE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE ALLOWED BY, BY LAW.
UM, SO THAT COMPLETES THE MEETING.
UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN.