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OKAY, I HAVE FOUR O'CLOCK AND WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP AND START THE NEWBURN BOARD OF ALDERMAN WORK SESSION NOVEMBER THE 12TH, 2024.[1. Discussion of Bond Referendum.]
ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT'S DISCUSSION OF THE BOND REFERENDUM.SO I'LL TURN OVER TO CITY MANAGER AT THIS TIME.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND ALDERMAN.
YOU MAY REMEMBER IN LATE JUNE OF THIS YEAR, WE HAD A WORK SESSION AND WE HAD INVITED OUR CONSULTANT DAVENPORT TO COME IN TO DISCUSS THE PROCESS FOR A BOND REFERENDUM.
UH, SO WE WANTED TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND TALK ABOUT SOME POTENTIAL PROJECTS.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT ARE THREE CATEGORIES OF PROJECTS, AND THEY ARE PARKS AND RECREATION, PUBLIC SAFETY AND STREETS AND SIDEWALKS.
AND SHORTLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE STAFF FROM EACH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THOSE PROJECTS IN PARKS AND RECREATION.
WE TIED THESE PROJECTS IN COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN AND THE MARTIN MARIETTA MASTER PLAN WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.
WE LOOKED AT THE FUTURE GROWTH IN WEST NEWBURN AND THE PROPOSED 43 CONNECTOR.
AND WITH OUR STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, WE RELIED ON THE PAVEMENT CONDITION SURVEY, WHICH WAS RECENTLY COMPLETED THIS YEAR, AND THE BIKE PED PLAN.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH THESE PROJECTS, WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR YOUR INPUT AND LET US KNOW WHETHER YOU SUPPORT THEM OR NOT.
AND YOU MAY HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SOME OTHER PROJECTS.
THE GOAL IS GONNA BE FOR US TO COME BACK, UH, AROUND JANUARY OR FEBRUARY OF 2025 TO PUT PRICING WITH WHATEVER PROJECTS THE BOARD SUPPORTS, AND THEN MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO TOWARD A BOTTOM REFERENDUM IN OCTOBER OF 2025.
SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA, UH, ASK KIM TO KICK THIS OFF BY GIVING US A, A, A SHORT REFRESHER OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH DAVENPORT IN JUNE.
SO IN REGARDS TO THE, UM, GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS OR ALSO KNOWN AS THE GO BONDS, UM, DAVENPORT COVERED, UH, SEVERAL, UM, STATE STATUTES AND SOME, UM, POLICY.
SO THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS ARE DEBT SUPPORTED.
UM, UNDER NORTH CAROLINA GENERAL STATUTES, A CITY CAN ONLY HOLD A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND REFERENDUM DURING A CITYWIDE ELECTION, WHICH WE PLAN TO DO THAT NEXT YEAR.
A GO BOND BALLOT QUESTION MUST STATE THE PURPOSE FOR THE BONDS AND THE MAXIMUM PRINCIPLE AMOUNT OF THE BONDS.
THE BALLOT QUESTION CAN REFER TO A BROAD CATEGORY OF PROJECTS WITHIN SPECI SPECIFIED PURPOSE, SUCH AS PARKS AND REC, STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, OR CAN STATE A SPECIFIC PROJECT SUCH AS CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW OPERATION FACILITY.
BALLOT QUESTIONS CANNOT COMBINE AUTHORIZATIONS FOR MULTIPLE PURPOSES, SO YOU CANNOT COMBINE, UM, PARKS AND RECS AND STREET AND SIDEWALKS.
THEY MUST BE SEPARATE AUTHORIZATION.
UM, OF THE BOND EXPIRES SEVEN YEARS FROM THE DATE OF THE REFERENDUM.
THE CITY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXTEND THE APPROVAL FOR THREE MORE YEARS WITH LGC APPROVAL WITH A MAXIMUM OF 10 YEARS.
UM, DAVENPORT PRESENTED THIS TIMELINE, UM, KIND OF LIKE A ROUGH TIMELINE FOR HOW WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE RIGHT NOW AT FALL OF 2024, THIS IS WHEN WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE BOND AMOUNTS, THE PROJECTS DEVELOPING, UM, AND REVIEWING QUESTIONS AND ANALYZING, UM, AND REFINING THE, THE, THE BALLOT LANGUAGE.
UH, UM, AND WINTER OF 2024 AND THROUGH SPRING WE WILL NEED TO BE WORKING ON SOME COMMUNITY OUTREACH, ENGAGEMENT AND EDUCATION ON THE, ON THE QUESTIONS.
AND, UM, THE RELATED FINANCE PLAN.
IN MAY, 2025, WE'LL FINALIZE THE REFERENDUM, UM, AND AMOUNTS IN QUESTIONS.
AND THEN SUMMER OF 2025, THE LEGAL FILINGS AND BOARD ALDERMAN APPROVALS FOR THE GO BOND REFERENDUM WILL HAPPEN.
OCTOBER 14TH, 2025 WOULD BE THE REFERENDUM.
AND THEN, UM, POST REFERENDUM, WE'LL HAVE THE LEGAL FILINGS AND APPROVALS THAT WILL GO TO THE, UM, LGC AND THEN ISSUE THE GO BONDS AS NEEDED TO FUND THE PROJECTS.
AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, IT WOULD EXPIRE OCTOBER, 2032.
UM, BUT WE WOULD HAVE, AGAIN, THE REQUEST, THE ABILITY TO REQUEST AN EXTENSION.
KIM QUESTION ON THE, THAT TIMING, THE, THE SEVEN YEARS AND THE 10 YEARS, DOES THAT MEAN THAT ALL THE MONEY HAS TO BE EXPENDED OR THE PROJECT HAS TO HAVE STARTED? UM, IT HAS TO BE COMPLETE COMPLETED.
SO THE PROJECTS HAS TO BE COMPLETED AND THE MONEY EXPENDED BY THE END OF THAT TIME PERIOD.
AND ONE OTHER QUESTION, WHAT IS THE LIFE OF
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THE DEBT? 20 YEARS? 20 IS WHAT WE HAVE.SO AT THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA START WITH PARKS FROM RECREATION.
I'D LIKE TO ASK CARRIE WARREN TO COME UP.
SO, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING THREE DIFFERENT POTENTIAL PROJECTS FOR PARK PARKS AND RECREATION.
ONE BEING THE MARTIN MARIETTA PARK, UH, TO IMPLEMENT THE NEXT PHASES OF THAT MASTER PLAN, WHICH WOULD BE PHASE TWO AND THREE, UM, S WEST PARROT PARK RENOVATIONS, UM, TO INCLUDE RECONFIGURATION OF THE BASEBALL FIELDS TO A WAGON WHEEL DESIGN, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
UM, NEW PICKLEBALL COURTS AND, UM, THE ADDITION OF A SKATE PARK THERE.
AND THE THIRD PROJECT WOULD BE AQUATIC CENTER RENOVATIONS, UM, TO ADD INTERACTIVE PLAY FEATURES AT ZERO DEPTH AND A LAZY RIVER.
AND TO LOOK AT THOSE A LITTLE MORE, THE FUTURE PHASES FOR MARTIN MARIETTA, WE WOULD START WITH THE AMPHITHEATER, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, UM, PAVE PARKING AND ROADWAYS WOULD BE THE MAIN FOCUS THERE.
THEN THE NEXT AREA WOULD BE TO SWIM BEACH AREA TO INCLUDE A WIC COURSE.
AND THEN THE VENTURE AREA TO INCLUDE, UM, THE BIKE HOOK COURSE, ADVENTURE ROPES COURSE, ZIP LINE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN THE LAST PHASE OF THE FUTURE PHASES WOULD BE THE BOAT HOUSE AREA, WHICH IT WOULD INCLUDE, UM, A MEETING SPACE, BOAT, HOUSE TYPE, EVENT AREA THAT PEOPLE COULD HAVE FOR RESERVATIONS MEETING AND SPACE.
ALL RIGHT, THIS IS JUST A CONFIGURATION OF WHAT THE, UM, RENOVATIONS FOR SOUTHWEST PARROT PARK COULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, THIS PARK HAS SEEN ABOUT 60 PLUS YEARS OF USE AND, UM, IT'S FACILITIES COULD USE A UPGRADE.
UM, THE WAGON WHEEL FEATURE WOULD COMBINE THE FOUR FIELDS INTO A CIRCULAR CONFIGURATION WITH CONCESSION RESTROOM FACILITIES IN THE MIDDLE, UM, MAKING IT MORE, UM, USER-FRIENDLY FOR TOURNAMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, AS WELL AS EFFICIENT.
UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING THE FIELD SPREAD SO FAR APART WITH THREE DIFFERENT CONCESSION STANDS, IT WOULD ALL BE CENTRALIZED.
UM, WE WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT TRANSITIONING THE PICKLEBALL AND TENNIS COURTS A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THOSE COURTS WERE RESURFACED ON A OLD TENNIS COURT.
UH, THE FOUNDATIONS FELL IN ON THOSE.
WE HAVE FREQUENT CRACKING THAT WE HAVE TO, UM, MAINTAIN ABOUT THREE TIMES A YEAR.
WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND FILL THOSE CRACKS.
UM, SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT DOING A WHOLE NEW COURT SYSTEM FOR THAT.
UM, RELOCATING THE BASKETBALL COURT, UH, WITH A NEW SURFACING FOR THAT.
ADDING THE SKATE PARK AS WELL AS IMPROVED PARKING OVER BY, UM, OFF OF PINE TREE WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY GRAVEL PARKING AREA.
ALSO, THESE UPGRADES WOULD HELP THESE, THIS FACILITY BE MORE ACCESSIBLE.
UH, CURRENTLY NOW WE HAVE SOME AREAS THAT ARE NOT REAL ACCESSIBLE.
UM, AND IT WOULD INCREASE THAT GREATLY.
ALRIGHT, AQUATIC CENTER RENOVATIONS, UPGRADES, UM, WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO EXTEND ON OUR PROPERTY, UM, BEHIND THE POOL AREA, UM, TO CONSTRUCT A LAZY RIVER WITH THE ZERO DEPTH ENTRY AND ZERO DEPTH PLAY FEATURES BEHIND THERE.
UM, WE CURRENTLY ARE AT CAPACITY OF WHAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE AT AQUATIC CENTER.
THIS PAST SUMMER WE SAW, UM, OVER 14,000 PEOPLE THROUGH THERE.
UM, AND IN ORDER FOR US TO CONTINUE SERVING THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GROW THAT FACILITY.
CARRIE, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MUCH REVENUES WE GENERATED LAST YEAR? UM, IT WAS A LITTLE OVER 90,000 LAST YEAR.
UM, IT'S CONSISTENTLY GONE UP SINCE 2021 FROM AROUND 70,000 TO 90 PLUS.
UM, SO IN ORDER FOR US TO CONTINUE ACCOMMODATING THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WE'RE SEEING THERE AND THE NEW PEOPLE
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COMING TO THE AREA, WE WOULD NEED TO GROW THAT FACILITY AS WELL.ALL ANY QUESTIONS? SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON, ON THESE PROJECTS OR IF YOU'VE GOT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON ANY OTHER PARKS AND RECREATION RELATED PROJECTS, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR THAT.
HOW MUCH OF A INCREASE WOULD IT BE ON THE PARKS, IF IT WOULD BE ANY? FOR ALL THE NEW UPGRADE THAT WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT? YOU TALKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE WISE? NO COST.
COST, COST FOR PARTICIPATION TO COME INTO THE PARK TO USE IT.
I THINK HE'S ASKING THE FEES EACH YEAR.
UM, WE, THIS WAS THE, THIS PAST BUDGET YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME WE HAD RAISED, UM, ADMISSION FEES TO THE AQUATIC CENTER.
AND THEY'RE STILL RELATIVELY LOW, ESPECIALLY FOR RESIDENTS.
WE TOOK 'EM UP QUITE A BIT FOR NON-RESIDENTS.
UM, BUT THEY'RE STILL REASONABLE ANYWHERE FROM 3 25, 3 50 UP TO $5 AND 50 CENTS FOR A PARENT AND ONE CHILD.
AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THE ENTIRE DAY.
SO WOULD WE BE LOOKING FOR A NEW INCREASE ONCE THE NEW RENOVATIONS, UH, START? WE COULD, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO BEGIN WITH.
'CAUSE WE'RE ALREADY DOING PRETTY WELL WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT.
WE WOULD JUST HAVE INCREASE IN PARTICIPATION.
WE MAY AFTER THE BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, SEE THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE THE FEES, BUT WE DO PRETTY WELL RIGHT NOW WITH, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE INCREASING ATTENDANCE.
AND THE AQUATIC CENTER, WE'RE GOING INTO OUR 15TH YEAR AND, UH, THERE'S BEEN LITTLE TO NO RENOVATIONS OVER THERE OTHER THAN GENERAL MAINTENANCE IN THOSE 15 YEARS.
SO, UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF USE OUT OF IT FROM THE INITIAL BUILD.
CARRIE, ON THE, UM, THE ADVENTURE AREA FOR MARTIN MARIETTA, THERE'S A SKATEBOARD PARK AND THERE'S ALSO THE SKATE PARK AT SOUTHWEST PAR PARK.
THE ONE AT MARTIN MARIETTA WOULD GO AWAY AND WE WOULD MOVE IT TO WEST NEWBURN.
UM, WE DECIDED SOMETIME BACK THAT LOCATION WISE, IT WOULD BE BETTER SERVED AT WEST NEWBURN WHERE IT'S MORE WALKABLE FOR PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN SKATEBOARDING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CARRIE? UM, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY, UM, FOUR AS THE, UH, REFERENCING THE LAZY RIVER? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY ZERO DEPTH ENTRY? ZERO DEPTH ENTRY IS WHERE THE WATER IS NOT DEEP ENOUGH THAT IT'S CONSIDERED ANY DEPTH.
SO IT'S VERY SHALLOW WATER, WHICH IF YOU'VE BEEN TO OUR AQUATIC CENTER, THE END, UH, THE SHALLOW END, THAT'S A ZERO DEPTH ENTRY.
SO CURRENTLY THAT PARTICULAR POOL IS ONLY THREE FEET DEEP? NO, IT GOES UP TO, WHAT IS IT, FOUR, FIVE FEET? YEAH, FIVE FEET.
IT GRADUALLY GETS DEEPER AS YOU MOVE THROUGH.
AND THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CARRIE? OKAY, THANK YOU.
NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND SO I'M GONNA ASK ALICE WILSON TO COME UP AND SHE'S GOING TO TALK THROUGH SOME, SOME PROJECTIONS ON POPULATION AND SOME PROJECTS THAT ARE OCCURRING IN WEST NEWBURN SLIDE.
UM, SO THE MANAGER ASKED ME TO LOOK AT SOME, UM, KIND OF FIGURING OUT NEW PROJECTS OR GROWTH POTENTIAL IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE CITY.
SO I'VE MAPPED OUT ALL THE CURRENT PROJECTS THAT EITHER HAVE BEEN APPROVED OR UNDER DEVELOPMENT ALREADY.
THOSE ARE THE POINT LOCATIONS.
AND THEN I WENT ALSO AND, AND LOOKED AT UNDEVELOPED OR VACANT LAND AND LOOKED AT THE ZONING FOR THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY AND TOOK OUT THE ONES THAT WOULDN'T BE, UM, BUILDABLE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT WAS ZONED R 20, IF IT WAS ONLY 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
SO EVERYTHING ELSE IS COLORIZED BASED ON THE POTENTIAL USE FOR THE CURRENT ZONING THAT IS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
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THE GREEN AREAS, A FIVE, A FIVE F COULD BE REZONED TO, YOU KNOW, OTHER RESIDENTIAL NUMBERS, BUT, SO I JUST LOOKED AT CURRENT ZONING, UM, AND WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE BUILT.AND YOU CAN SEE A SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, INCREASE IN POPULATION IN THAT AREA IF THIS, THESE AREAS WERE BUILT OUT.
THERE'S SEVERAL, UM, CURRENT PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THIS AREA.
UM, GROWTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
THE RABURN FOREST AREA IS GOT A GENERAL PLAN THAT'S UNDER REVIEW.
UM, LAKE TYLER IS BEING BUILT OUT, UM, THE WESTERN NEW BERN AREA.
UH, THERE'S SEVERAL FINAL PLATS AND SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN EITHER APPROVED OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THERE'S, MATTER OF FACT, THERE'S JUST A NEW TOWNHOUSE, UM, OVER WE ON CLOCK ROAD WAS ADOPTED OR APPROVED RATHER.
UM, SO THERE'S MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT ARE ARE GOING ON AND YOU CAN SEE, UM, ALONG HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SEVERAL COMMERCIAL PROJECTS THAT ARE ALSO UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL VACANT LAND OUT THERE THAT COULD EASILY BE DEVELOPED AS WELL AS ALONG HIGHWAY 43 CONNECTOR.
UM, I ALSO LOOKED AT, EXCUSE ME, I'M WITH ALDERMAN ASPER, MY ALLERGIES ABOUT TO GET THE BEST OF ME.
UM, I MADE A MISTAKE OF BREAKING LEAVES THIS WEEKEND.
I ALSO LOOK AT CENSUS OVER THE TIME IN THIS AREA.
SO THE RED OUTLINED, OR FOR WHAT I COULD FIND CENSUS DATA WHERE I COULD GO BACKWARDS SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, YOU CAN LOOK AT HOW THE GROWTH IS IN THAT AREA.
AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, BASED ON DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, I CAN SEE WHERE THIS AREA WILL CONTINUE TO GROW SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, WE ACTUALLY ARE IN THE PROCESS.
WE'VE ACTUALLY CHALLENGED THE US CENSUS ON SOME ESTIMATES FOR THE YEARS 21, 21, 22, AND 23 ON THEIR ESTIMATES.
SO, UM, THESE NUMBERS WILL PROBABLY GROW EVEN MORE.
UM, I GUESS THIS IS FIVE PAGES AT THIS TIME.
I'D LIKE TO ASK CHIEF LOCKLEAR TO COME UP.
SO TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION INFORMATION THAT ALICE HAS PROVIDED TO US, UM, THE PROPOSED PROPOSAL FOR, UH, FIRE STATION, UH, NUMBER FOUR, UH, LOOKING AT THE ADDITIONAL COVERAGE.
SO IF YOU FOCUS IN ON DISTRICT THREE AND WHERE SHE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT AS FAR AS POTENTIAL GROWTH.
UM, SO THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR HIGH GROWTH, UH, COMMAND CENTER, UM, IS LISTED HERE AS FAR AS PART OF THE EMERGENCY WITH THE UPGRADED TECHNOLOGY IN THE NEW PROPOSAL FOR THE FIRE STATION.
AND THEN CONSIDERING, UH, THE INVESTMENT IN THE HEALTH AND SAFETY RESIDENTS AND VISITORS.
SO, A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO KIND OF POINT OUT, UM, IN CONSIDERATION TO THIS NEW PROJECT WOULD BE, ONE, THE TRAVEL OF MILES.
UM, IF YOU CAN SEE SPECIFICALLY ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT THE YELLOW, THE ONE AND A HALF MILES OF TRAVEL.
AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE TWO AND A HALF MILES OF TRAVEL BEING IN THE ORANGE.
SO CURRENTLY AS IT STANDS IN THE DISTRICT AS FAR AS PROVIDING PROTECTION CURRENTLY, WE'RE STILL NOT, WE'RE NOT THERE AS FAR AS WE'RE ALREADY EXCEEDING SOME OF THIS, UM, THAT DISTANCE TRAVELED.
SO IT'S ALREADY, UH, A NEED, UH, IN ITSELF FOR HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL RESPONSE FROM STATION IN PLACE.
SO AGAIN, JUST LOOKING AT THE TRAVELED MILES, WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING IN ON THE ONE AND A HALF, TWO AND A HALF.
WE JUST RECENTLY FINISHED UP OUR SURVEY FOR OUR D-O-I-I-S-O, UM, INSPECTION.
UM, AND WE GOT OUR INSPECTION COMING UP ON THE 25TH.
AND THIS IS A BIG PART OF THAT BEING THE MILES TRAVEL.
LOOKING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO THAT AS FAR AS TRAVEL TIMES, THIS IS ANOTHER CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A PROPOSAL FOR A STATION AND WHY IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE IT.
SO WE'RE SHOOTING FOR OUR FIVE MINUTE RESPONSE TIME ON THAT INITIAL ENGINE COMPANY.
AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO BEING GRADED FOR SURVEY AND INSPECTION OFF THE SECOND DUDE ENGINE COMPANY ALONG WITH A LADDER TRUCK OR A TRUCK COMPANY.
SO GETTING THAT FIVE MINUTE MARK IS REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, FOR MORE REASONS THAN ONE.
AND JUST IN SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ALEX JUST MENTIONED, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING THERE IN THAT TIME CURRENTLY, UH, WITH HAVING A NEW STATION IN PLACE AT THE, YOU KNOW, AT THE PROPOSED LOCATION OR SOMEWHERE IN THE GENERAL VICINITY IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS INCREASING OUR TIMES FOR RESPONSE.
SO JUST TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP SPECIFIC TO STATION THREE'S DISTRICT, UM, YOU ALREADY SEE, UM, SOME AREAS THAT ARE
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IN THE ORANGE AND THE RED, WHICH PUSHES US PAST THAT FIVE MINUTE MARK.SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE ON.
I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THIS AS JUST A, ANOTHER VISUAL.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL FOR GROWTH AND CALL VOLUME INCREASES IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA, GOING BACK TO 2017 WOULD BE THE EARLIEST THAT THE DEPARTMENT'S BEEN TRACKING THIS INFORMATION.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, ELIZABETH AVENUE BEING THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT STATION THREE, BACK IN 2017, TOTAL CALL VOLUME WAS SIX THIRTY FIVE UP TO 2021, WE'RE AT 8 42 AND THIS PAST YEAR, 2023 WITH 1,009.
UM, I ALSO FIND IT INTERESTING WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR SURVEY AND PREPARING FOR OUR ISO OR DOI INSPECTION, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT JUST IN GENERAL AND CHIEF, CAN YOU NOT USE ACRONYMS SO THEY'LL KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, SO, SO THE DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE, WHEN WE DO OUR, OUR INSPECTION, WHICH IS, UH, WHERE WE GET OUR, OUR GRADING OF CURRENTLY IS A CLASS TWO.
UM, THAT IS WHAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR LOWERING THOSE INSURANCE PREMIUMS FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS.
AND WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR WITH SOME CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE IN THIS PAST YEAR IS TO HAVE A STRONG TWO OR, UM, A ONE WHICH WOULD BE THE BEST RATING YOU COULD GET.
BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CALL VOLUME, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TO REPORT THROUGH OUR SURVEY WAS SPECIFIC TO THIS DISTRICT.
UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SQUARE MILES, UH, THIS DISTRICT IS, UM, 14.58 SQUARE MILES OF DISTRICT THAT'S COVERED CURRENTLY BY ONE ENGINE COMPANY AND EVERYBODY ELSE COMING MUTUAL AID.
SO THIS IS ALMOST TWICE THE SIZE OF DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, HEADQUARTERS DISTRICT AND CURRENTLY WITH THE POPULATION, UM, BEING THE 31,287, THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT HAS A POPULATION OF 14,239.
SO I DID WANT TO POINT THAT OUT AND THAT'S ALL I ASKED SPECIFIC TO THIS.
IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MARVIN ASKED, I'M SURE YOU DO GO RIGHT AHEAD.
DID YOU SAY THAT YOU, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, DID YOU SAY THAT YOU WERE EXPECTING ANOTHER DOI INSPECTION A GRADE? SO OUR, OUR FIVE YEAR WE'RE UP FOR OUR FIVE YEAR INSPECTION, WHICH IS THIS CYCLE.
SO WE JUST FINISHED SUBMITTING OUR INFORMATION TO THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE AND THEY'LL BE COMING IN THE 25TH OF THIS MONTH TO DO OUR FIVE YEAR INSPECTION.
AND ARE YOUR PROPOSAL, I ASSUME IS TO ADD ANOTHER FIRE STATION.
DO YOU HAVE A GENERAL IDEA AS TO WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT STATION? SO BASED OFF OF, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TODAY, UH, IF YOU SEE, I'M TRYING TO FIND ONE THAT WOULD BE EASIER FOR YOU TO SEE.
SO SPECIFICALLY ON THIS ONE WHERE YOU SEE THE STAR, UM, THAT'S AT THE CORDED 43, UM, CONNECTOR.
AND WE WERE BASING THIS INFORMATION AS FAR AS, UM, WHAT WOULD BE BEST FOR RESPONSE, UH, SOMEWHERE IN THAT GENERAL AREA.
UM, YES, YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS BYPASS 17, IT'S JUST TO THE RIGHT OF IT.
CHIEF, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, IS, IS ELIZABETH AVENUE STATION IN THE IDEAL LOCATION, LIKE IF YOU COULD MOVE THAT ANYWHERE IN ADDITION TO ADDING ONE? I GET THAT WE'VE GOTTA ADD ONE IS ELIZABETH AVENUE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE? I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S NECESSARILY NOT IN A, A GOOD LOCATION, BUT IDEALLY SPEAKING, UM, A DIFFERENT LOCATION WE PROBABLY WOULD BE SUITED A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
BUT, UH, IN CONSIDERATION TO THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS STATION, UM, RE-LOOKING AT THE APPROACH FOR OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT AS FAR AS UNIT PLACEMENT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO SUFFICE FOR, UH, THE NUMBERS OF GETTING WHERE WE NEED TO BE AS FAR AS TIMES AND TRAVEL DISTANCE.
SO STATION THREE WOULD STILL BE SERVICING THE 43 AND 55 AREA? THAT'S CORRECT.
IT WOULD STILL BE NEEDED SPECIFICALLY FOR YOUR ENGINE RESPONSE TO MAINTAIN THAT FIVE MINUTE OR DEPENDING ON HOW THE NUMBERS WOULD FLOW, IT MAY ACTUALLY HOUSE AS FAR AS A LADDER COMPANY, UM, WHICH IT DOES NOW, WHICH IS A DUAL PURPOSE UNIT.
IT SHOWS AS AN ENGINE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A QUAT, WHICH MY RECOMMENDATION AFTER BEING A YEAR, THE QUT CONCEPT WAS A GOOD CONCEPT AND IT CAN PROVIDE BOTH WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM AN ENGINE STANDPOINT OR A LADDER STANDPOINT.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE BEING GRADED ON IS YOUR INITIAL FIRST ENGINE COMPANY AND THEN YOUR SECOND ENGINE COMPANY TIME ALONG WITH YOUR LADDER TRUCK.
SO YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY, TRYING TO GET THE, FOR THE STATION NUMBER THREE, UM, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ANOTHER
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FIRE ENGINE THERE.SO IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE TWO.
SPECIFIC TO WHICH ONE'S GONNA WORK BETTER FOR OUR RATING? UH, BETWEEN BOTH THE TIME AND THE DISTANCE TRAVEL? YES.
BECAUSE CURRENTLY THERE IS A ISSUE WITH THE RESPONSE TIME TO THE, UH, 43 AND 55 CURRENTLY AS IT IS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
IF YOU, UH, LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR SIDE, UH, TRAVEL TIMES, YOU'LL SEE THAT ANYTHING THAT GETS PAST THE, IN THE ORANGE AND SPECIFICALLY IN THE RED, WE'VE EXCEEDED.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT IN THE TIME LIMIT WE SHOULD BE ONCE WE GET TO THE ORANGE AND THE RED AREAS.
AND TELL ME ABOUT THE COMMAND CENTER THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
SO I THINK THIS WAS SOMETHING AS A CONSIDERATION, UM, FROM A TECHNOLOGY STANDPOINT THAT THAT COULD BE UTILIZED BOTH FOR, UM, ESO OR AS FAR AS THE, UM, COMBINATION IF IT WAS FOR BOTH FIRE AND PD.
UM, BUT IT WOULD HAVE THE CAPABILITIES FOR NOT ONLY A TRAINING, BUT ALSO FOR A COMMAND LOCATION OR CENTRALIZED COMMAND LOCATION OFFSITE FROM ANY TYPE OF INCIDENT.
NOW THAT WAS GONNA BE AT THE STATION FOUR, THAT WAS JUST A PROPOSAL FOR, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT PARTICULAR STATION HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO AT STATION FOUR.
YOU'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, CORRECT? POTENTIALLY, YES.
UM, AS FAR AS THAT, THAT PARTICULAR STATION HAVING THE CAPABILITY TO HAVE THAT.
JUST, JUST A CLARIFICATION CHIEF, UM, WOULD THIS COMMAND CENTER REPLACE THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER THAT IS NOW UTILIZED AT THE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY? OR WOULD THIS BE IN ADDITION TO THAT? I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, A REPLACEMENT.
UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE, UH, THE MANAGER WOULD BE LOOKING, UH, ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD WANT TO REPLACE, THEY DO HOPEFULLY HAVE THE CAPABILITY AND PROVIDE A BETTER MEANS FOR, UH, OFFSITE ESC OR A LOCATION FOR ESC? YES.
NOW THIS CITY ABSOLUTELY NEEDS, UH, EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER THAT'S SET UP.
ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO DO IS WALK IN AND TURN LIGHTS ON YOU.
WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO DO IS SET UP COMPUTERS AND BRING OUT WHITEBOARDS AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF SET.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, AND, AND IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY SAYS ABSOLUTELY WORST PLACE YOU COULD EVER PUT A EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER IS AT A WATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT, UM, THIS CITY IS IN NEED OF A EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.
AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR YEARS ABOUT WHEN WE BUILD THIS NEW STATION, IT MAY BECOME A PART OF IT, UH, EITHER ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR BESIDE IT OR ADJACENT TO IT OR SOMETHING.
UM, I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD MOVE.
UM, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU NEED TO OPEN UP EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER, YOU NEED TO OPEN IT UP RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT HURRICANES THAT ARE FOUR OR FIVE DAYS OUT, IT'S ABOUT A TORNADO.
IT MAY DROP DOWN OUT OF THE SKY AND YOU NEED AN EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER RIGHT NOW, OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF DISASTER THAT MAY OCCUR FROM THE RAILROAD OR WHATEVER.
BUT, UM, IT, IT JUST, WHAT WE HAVE HAS SERVED US WELL.
IT'S DONE A GOOD JOB, BUT IT JUST, IT'S, IT'S FOR, IT'S FOR HURRICANES.
YOU GOT TIME TO GO IN AND SET IT UP.
UH, SO I, I AGREE WITH AN EOC, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED.
I MEAN, ISN'T THAT WHAT THE COUNTY'S BUILDING OVER HERE, ISN'T THAT PART OF THE, ISN'T THE EOC PART OF THAT CHIEF? YOU MAY KNOW.
SO THE CITY HAS ITS OWN EOC AND THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE ITS OWN EOC.
BUT ISN'T THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING OVER HERE IN THIS NEW, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN DOING SOME REMODEL ES AS FAR AS THEIR LOCATION.
I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO VISIT IT.
SO THEY'VE BEEN, UM, ACTUALLY IMPROVING THERE.
ANY, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON YES.
UM, CHIEF, IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR TRAVEL TIMES, MA'AM, PLEASE UHHUH.
UM, THE 17 BYPASS WHERE THE STAR IS.
AND MOVING ON OUT TO THAT AREA, WHAT AREA IS THAT ABOVE THE HIGHWAY SEVEN, THE BYPASS 17.
WHAT AREA IS THAT IN? THE RED OVER THERE? IS THAT CURRENTLY, SIR, ARE YOU LOOKING AT OVER AT 55 IN THE TYLER AREA? NO, UHUH GO OVER TO THE NEXT, OVER ON THE, ON THE END, IF YOU TAKE THE, WHERE THE BOB BYPASS.
SEE 17 AND THEN OVER ON THE SIDE OF THERE AT THE TOP OF IT, WHAT AREA IS THAT? SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS GOING OUT TOWARD, UH, CLARK IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA WHERE THE TRAINING FACILITY, IF I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING YEAH.
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THE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR SCREEN, IT'S UP IN THE, UM, LEFT HAND CORNER.YEAH, THAT'S MARTIN MARIETTA, ISN'T IT? MM-HMM.
YOU LOOKING AT YOUR MAP IN FRONT OF, IT'S ON THE LEFT HAND CORNER UP IN UPRIGHT LEFT CORNER, WHAT IS THAT AREA UP AT? 43 AND 55.
COME OVER TO THAT LITTLE AREA.
WHAT AREA IS THAT? SO THAT'S GOING BACK TOWARD THE, THE TRAINING, THE NEW PROPOSED TRAINING FACILITY OUT TOWARD CLARK ROAD IN THAT AREA.
IF I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT THING.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE CITY LIMIT, SO NO, NO, NOT NECESSARILY.
UM, SO WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AND FOCUSING, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, OUT TOWARD 43 AND 55, OR AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE JUST BELOW THE STAR WHERE THE PROPOSED STATION WOULD BE.
UM, THE SUBDIVISION THAT'S OUT THERE CURRENTLY, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE'RE ALREADY IN THE RED, WHICH IS IN THE CITY LIMITS, UH, AS FAR AS CURRENT RESPONSE TIMES.
I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE YOU HAD IT IN THE RED UP BEING YELLOW, THE ORANGE AND RED.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS CONSIDERED PART OF THE, UM, CITY, BUT YOU'RE SAYING PART OF YEAH, PART OF OUR RESPONSE IF YOU LOOK UP TOWARD, UM, 43 IN THAT AREA, UM, WAS SOME OF THE, LET ME GO BACK TO, AND MAYBE THIS WILL GO SO THAT THAT'S IN, IN LINE WITH WHAT SHE WAS SHOWING AS FAR AS SOME OF THE, UM, AREAS THAT THERE'S DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE TO ASK GEORGE CHILD TO COME UP, TALK ABOUT THE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STREETS, THIS IS THE REFLECTIVE OF LABEL'S, UH, 2024 PAVEMENT CONDITION STUDY THAT WE JUST RECENTLY HAD COMPLETED.
UM, FROM THAT STUDY, IT SHOWS AN INDICATION OF OUR 185 MILES A ROAD HAVING AN ASSET VALUE OF $107 MILLION.
ALSO IN THAT STUDY, IT SHOWED PRIORITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE IN OUR MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES, TOTALING 7.6 MILLION.
THIS INCLUDED ROUTINE MAINTENANCE OF 2.7 AND APPROXIMATELY $5 MILLION OF RESURFACING.
ADDITIONAL COST TO THOSE NUMBERS WOULDN'T VARY BETWEEN 20 AND FIVE AND 40% FOR, FOR, UH, STRUCTURES THAT WE WOULD'VE TO WORK ON ANY BILLING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE.
AND THEN THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FOR RUNNING THOSE CONTRACTS.
TABLE ONE SHOWS SOME HIGH PRIORITY ITEMS. SO THE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE AND RESURFACING, IT HAS A 68 MILE TOTAL COST OF WHAT WAS REFLECTED IN THE $4.6 MILLION.
THEY CALCULATED SOME MEDIUM PRIORITY ITEMS THAT HAD A VARYING, UH, DEGREE OF REPAIRS OR MAINTENANCE NECESSARY.
AND THEN APPROXIMATELY $40,000 OF LOWER PRIORITY ITEMS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THAT 7.6 NUMBER.
SO IF WE TOOK, IF WE TOOK THEIR NUMBERS AND UTILIZING THEIR PERCENTAGES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10, $11 MILLION TO ADDRESS THOSE IMMEDIATE NEED ITEMS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WITHIN THAT ASPHALT CONDITION SURVEY THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WE'LL GET TO THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
SO, UM, I SIT ON THIS COMMITTEE AND THEY HAD BEEN TASKED WITH IDENTIFYING PRIORITY ITEMS THAT WERE OF INTEREST OR PRIORITIES TO THEM THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE DONE.
AND SOME OF THOSE ITEMS IDENTIFIED WERE SOME NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY SIDEWALK GAPS.
AND I BELIEVE THESE HAD BEEN DISCUSSED, UH, BEFORE THE OAKS ROAD SIDEWALK WAS THEIR TOP PRIORITY IN THAT LISTING.
SO THAT WOULD BE FROM NOOSE AVENUE TO, UH, SOUTH GREEN BURNING.
AND THEN THE SECONDARY ITEM WAS A TRENT ROAD SIDE PATH.
SO THAT WAS FROM SIMMONS TO LOWES BOULEVARD.
AND THEN THEY HAD ALSO IDENTIFIED THE TRENT ROAD TO CHESTNUT AVENUE GREENWAY, WHICH IT WOULD GO FROM BASICALLY PEMBROKE AROUND THE POND THAT CITY OWNS TO TIE INTO TRENT ROAD.
NOW, WE'LL SAY THAT ITEM WOULD, IF IT DID OCCUR BY ITSELF WITHOUT THE ABOVE ITEM ON THE TRENT ROAD SIDE PATH, IT WOULD END UP DEAD ENDING IN A SECTION OF ROADWAY ON TRENT THAT WE WOULD HAVE NO SIDEWALK.
THEN THEY IDENTIFIED SOME NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY ITEMS, AND THESE WERE
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FOR CONNECTIONS ON LOWER SPEED ROADS.THE SIMMONS STREET ROAD DIED, WHICH WAS BROUGHT UP.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THAT IS AN NNC DOT ROAD.
SO ANY INVOLVEMENT IN THAT ROADWAY WOULD NEED TO BE A DOT PROJECT.
THE COUNTRY CLUB ROAD DIETS, THAT'S BASICALLY COMING OFF OF THE BYPASS, UM, OVER 70 COMING DOWN THE TO MCKINLEY.
UM, AND SOME ROAD, UH, LANE REDUCTIONS.
AND THEN THE LAST BEING THE AMHERST BOULEVARD BUFFERED BIKE LANE AND SIDEWALK, THAT'S A WIDER ROAD.
UM, KIND OF WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED, IF THAT WAS A CHOSEN ITEM, I FEEL WE COULD DO THAT, UH, WITHIN A RES RE REGULAR FISCAL YEAR BUDGET IF IT'S JUST A STRIPING ISSUE.
AND THEN WE COULD, UH, WORK ON THE SIDEWALKS GOING DOWN IT.
SO THOSE WERE THE, THE, THE THREE OF EACH CATEGORY THAT WERE SELECTED BY THE, THE PUBLIC MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THEY'RE OF THE COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY COST ESTIMATES, DIFFERENT DEGREES ON WHAT SOME OF THESE WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHETHER THAT IS VARYING SECTIONS, WHETHER IT IS A 10 FOOT SHARED USE PATH, COMBINATION, SHARED USE PATH, AND SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO THE NUMBERS VARY GREATLY OFF WHAT IS DESIRED FOR EACH SECTION.
HEY, GEORGE, WHAT IS A TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE, UM, WITH YOUR, THEY VARY.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE MEDIAN ISLANDS.
UM, YOU SEE 'EM DOWNTOWN AND WHERE THEY'RE BUMP OUTS FOR THE PARKING MM-HMM.
THOSE ARE CONSIDERED TRAFFIC CALMING, CERTAIN STRIPING, UM, CAN, CAN FACILITATE THAT.
CERTAIN TYPES OF SIGNAGE, FLASHING SIGNAGE, UM, CAN ALSO ACCOMMODATE THAT JOR GEORGE ON THE, THE TRENT ROAD SIDE PATH FROM SIMMONS TO LOWE'S.
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME VISUALIZING THAT.
WHERE, WHERE WOULD THAT BE? THAT WOULD GET US FROM THE INTERSECTION WHERE THE, BASICALLY WHERE, UM, BALDY TIRE AND WOULD GO THROUGH THE MAIN INTERSECTION OF SIM ON SIMMONS.
AND THEN WE'VE GOTTA GO UNDER THE OVERPASS OF 70 SOMEHOW TO GET THROUGH THAT SECTION.
THEN YOU'RE BASICALLY AT THE FLIGHT SPIKE SECTION AND THEN WORK YOUR WAY ON DOWN.
YEAH, YOU SEE IT GETS QUITE NARROW IN THERE FOR TOO MUCH RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENT.
SO IT'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE ON A NARROW PATH TO THERE.
THE, UM, FOR, FOR OUR DISCUSSION AS FAR AS BOND AND, AND POTENTIALLY FUNDING THESE, THE, THE ROAD DIETS THAT YOU MENTIONED, WE WOULDN'T BE FUNDING THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
MO MOST OF THE ONES I RECOMMENDED WERE ON DOT ROADS.
ALRIGHT, SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU ONLY RECOMMENDED THESE ROADS THAT YOU HAVE HERE ON THIS LIST? MY, MY RECOMMENDATION AS FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IS A NEED WOULD BE THE, SOME TYPE OF THE SIDEWALK SIDE PASS ON OAKS ROAD AND TRENT ROAD.
AND WHEN I SAY TRENT ROAD, IT MAY BE MORE INCLUSIVE THAN JUST THIS SECTION.
WE HAVE SEVERAL SECTIONS OF TRENT ROAD THAT ARE STILL TWO LANE.
WE HAVE, WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY BACK TOWARDS TOWN FROM MLK TOWARDS, UM, TOWARDS GLEN BURNEY RIGHT NOW WITH THE PROJECT.
BUT FROM THERE CONTINUING ON, WE, WE HAVE NO SIDEWALKS.
SO, OR IF, IF WE DO IT'S VERY SMALL SECTIONS.
MAYBE I DIDN'T RELATE IT TO OH, YES MA'AM.
UM, PROPERLY, I WASN'T, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ROADS WE'RE, WHEN FOUR IS YOU'RE CATEGORIZING THEM WITH HIGH PRIORITY AND MEDIUM AND LOW, ARE YOU GONNA COME BACK TO US, UM, AND GIVE US A LIST OF THOSE ROADS THAT WE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD UTILIZE YOU IDENTIFY THE VEA PAVEMENT CONDITION SURVEY, WHERE TO IDENTIFY THESE ACTUAL ROAD SECTIONS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD WORK TO ADDRESS FROM THAT REPORT.
THOUGHT YOU ALREADY HAD THAT REPORT WHEN WE, WE DID THE, WE DO HAVE THAT REPORT AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD GO BY TO, TO FACILITATE THAT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? SO JUST A LITTLE, I'M SORRY.
I'M JUST A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THERE'S NO DRAINAGE PROJECTS.
ARE WE ABOUT FINISHED OR WE WE'VE STILL GOT QUITE A FEW DRAINAGE
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PROJECTS WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.AND, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE FOR SOME OF THESE, LIKE ON CURRENT ROAD, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIDEWALKS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE ROADSIDE DITCHES.
THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH AVAILABLE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THAT IS LEVEL THAT WE CAN PUT SIDEWALK THAT'S EITHER BEHIND THE CURB OR BEHIND THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT TO FACILITATE A SIDEWALK INSTALL.
SO SOMEHOW WE'RE GONNA GET INTO HAVING A PIPE THERE, SECTIONS A ROADWAY.
SO THESE ARE THE PROJECTS WE'VE IDENTIFIED FOR A POTENTIAL BOND REFERENDUM.
NOW WE, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU ARE, ARE THESE SOME PROJECTS THAT THE BOARD COULD SUPPORT? UH, ARE THERE THINGS YOU DON'T LIKE? ARE THERE OTHER PROJECTS YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO, TO REVIEW AND COME BACK WITH SOME PRICING AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR? WELL, PERSONALLY, I MEAN, I LIKE EVERY SUGGESTION THEY HAVE HERE.
I THINK AS YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, SHOOTING FOR THE STARS.
UH, BUT I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE FINANCING PART IN JUST, JUST A SECOND.
AND, AND WE REALLY WANNA HEAR, HEY, IF, IF YOU LIKE ALL THESE THINGS, THAT'S GREAT.
'CAUSE WE WILL COME BACK AND, AND WITH A, AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST.
AND THEN IN MOST INSTANCES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KIND OF PULL BACK BASED ON WHAT THE CITY CAN REALISTICALLY WHAT WHAT YOU WANT TO GO WITH FOR A, FOR A BOND.
I MEAN, A LOT OF THE PARK AND RECREATION STUFF, I, I LOVE THE IDEA ON EVERYTHING THAT SHE HAS.
UH, BUT IF THERE'S A, A PRICE TAG THERE THAT'S GOING TO EXCEED WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO.
UM, BUT, UM, I, I JUST THINK THE, I I THINK IT'S GREAT IDEAS.
I THINK STAFF'S PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO IT.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, I I'M ALL ABOUT PAVING.
I THINK THE CITY NEEDS, UH, SOME PAVING, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S LIKE PLAYING BUMPER CARS WITH MANHOLES AND SOME OF THE STREETS THAT I TRAVEL DOWN, YOU, YOU, ONE, ONE SIDE ROAD TO THE OTHER TO AVOID ALL THOSE BUMPS AND HUMPS AND STUFF IN THE WA IN THE ROADS.
SO, UH, BUT IT'S GOING DEPEND ON COST AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PROJECTS ITEMIZED OUT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN SEE WHAT'S GONNA COST AND SEE WHAT WE WANT TO ADD AND NOT, AND I KNOW THAT'S GONNA BE A JOB DOING THAT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE MEETING NOW TO SEE.
IF, IF THERE ARE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD OR IF THERE THINGS YEAH, YOU JUST TELL ME.
I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF AN AMPHITHEATER AND I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF SOME OF THE STUFF THAT CARRIE HAS, UH, HAS RECOMMENDED.
UH, WE NEED ACTIVITIES FOR THE KIDS AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, SHE'S GOT SOME GOOD IDEAS HERE.
WELL, I THINK I'M A PRE OH, OKAY.
UM, ONE PROCEDURAL, ONE I GUESS IS MORE OF A POLICY QUESTION.
PROCEDURALLY, UM, WHATEVER THE LIST OF PROJECTS ARE THAT THIS BOARD ULTIMATELY, UH, ENDS UP WITH, THOSE WOULD THEN BE PUT ON A BALLOT QUESTION.
UM, A REFERENDUM KIND OF ASKING IF THE PUBLIC IS WILLING TO SUPPORT FUNDING FOR THOSE PROJECTS SO THAT THAT UNDERSTANDING IS IS ACCURATE.
THE, THE POLICY QUESTION I GUESS GETS BACK TO THE, THE, UM, THE BIGGEST, I THINK OF THE PROJECTS HERE AND THAT'S THE PROPOSED NEW FIRE STATION.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN UNDER DISCUSSION BY PREVIOUS BOARDS FOR YEARS, AND THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT, YOU, YOU'RE TALKING 10, 15 YEARS THAT THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS IT REALLY A QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT ON A REFERENDUM OR, OR, OR WE AS A BOARD WILLING TO JUST MAKE THE DECISION THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON, ON CONSTRUCTING A NEW FIRE STATION AND TREAT THAT AS A TOTALLY SEPARATE PROJECT THAT WE CAN APPROVE AND WHATEVER THE, THE MECHANISM IS TO, TO FUND THAT, PROCEED WITH THAT AS OPPOSED TO IT GOING ON A REFERENDUM AND THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT SAY, NO, NO, WE DON'T THINK SO.
AND WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? YEAH, I, YEAH, I, AGAIN, I'M SUPPORTING OF TREATING IT AS A SEPARATE PROJECT AND HOPEFULLY GETTING, UH, A MAJORITY OR, UH, ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TO ONBOARD WITH THAT AND JUST MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.
AND THAT SEPARATES IT FROM OTHER PROJECTS, UM,
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THAT THEN WOULD GO TO THE PUBLIC TO DISCUSS AND, AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS SUPPORT, UM, TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE.WOULD, ON, ON THE BALLOT, WOULD IT HAVE EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS LISTED AND THEY VOTE FOR LIKE AN AMPHITHEATER OR A FIRE STATION OR ITS GONNA BE GROUPED TOGETHER? IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE PARKS AND RECREATION WOULD MOST LIKELY HAVE A PARAGRAPH UNDER WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE.
THEN YOU WOULD HAVE ONE THAT LISTED IF THE BOARD AGREED ON THE FEE.
THERE ARE THREE THINGS WE PRESENTED PUBLIC SAFETY AND IT WOULD TALK ABOUT FIRE STATION THEN WOULD TALK ABOUT STREETS AND SIDEWALKS.
AND SO THERE WOULD BE LITERALLY THREE THINGS THAT, THAT, THE CHECK OFF THAT THE, THE VOTERS WOULD CHECK.
WELL, IN THAT CASE, I AGREE STRONGLY WITH RICK BECAUSE I CAN SEE IF YOU LIVE WHERE THIS FIRE STATION'S GOING TO BE PROPOSED, YOU'RE GONNA VOTE FOR IT.
IF YOU DON'T, YOU, YOU MIGHT NOT, YOU MIGHT NOT VOTE FOR A FIRE STATION, BUT OVERALL THE CITY NEEDS THIS FIRE STATION.
UH, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK RICK IS CORRECT.
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BITE THE BULLET AND LET'S MAKE PLANS ON BUILDING A FIRE STATION AND KEEP IT OFF OF THE, THE BOND.
BECAUSE IF THEY VOTED DOWN, THEN WHAT DO WE DO? WE TURN AROUND AND SAY WE GOT THE BUILDER DUTY ANYWAY.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
AND, UH, GIVEN THE FACT THAT I THINK, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT.
I, I, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD, YOU AGREE THAT WITH THE, THE GROWTH THAT HAS OCCURRED AND THAT, UM, IS, IS GOING TO OCCUR IN THAT PART OF THE CITY OVER THE, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT 5, 10, 15, 20 YEARS.
I MEAN, THAT'S PRIMARILY WHERE GROWTH IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
UH, THERE THERE IS AN EXISTING NEED THAT NEED IS ONLY GONNA INCREASE.
SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S JUST THE DECISION THAT THIS BOARD NEEDS TO, UM, TO MAKE AND, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
AND HOPEFULLY THERE'S ENOUGH SUPPORT ON THIS BOARD TO DO THAT AND JUST NOT, NOT EVEN INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS PARTICULAR, UM, BALLOT QUEST IN REFERENDUM WITH, UM, THE, THE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, UM, THESE PRO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE IS WITH ONE, AND OF COURSE I'VE STRESSED MY OPINION BEFORE, IS THE AMPHITHEATER, UM, THAT BEING A PART OF THIS BOND REFERENDUM, I JUST, UH, FOSTER, I, I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE IMPLEMENTATIONS OF THE DIFFERENT PHRASES OF MARK MARIETTA, THAT THAT WAS STRICTLY THAT WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP THAT FROM A BOND AS A, UM, GRANT OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THAT.
SO I MEAN, HOW IS THAT FAR AS GRANTS IS COMING FOR, AS THE, SO ANY OF THESE PROJECTS LISTED, THAT THAT STILL DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE APPLYING FOR GRANTS.
'CAUSE YES, OBVIOUSLY WE WILL, WHETHER IT BE SOMETHING WITH DOT OR FEDERAL GRANT OR THROUGH THE PARKS AND RECREATION TRUST FUND OR ANY OTHER FEDERAL ENTITIES THAT WOULD HAVE THINGS FOR THIS, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THESE THINGS ARE GONNA BE.
I CAN GIVE YOU, I CAN GIVE YOU A BALLPARK NUMBER FOR THESE PROJECTS AND BY THE TIME WE COME AROUND TO BUILD THEM, IT COULD DEFINITELY BE MORE THAN THAT.
SO THAT EXACTLY, THAT'S DEFINITELY WHERE, WHEN GRANTING COMES INTO PLAY.
DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE ANY GRANTS IN PLACE? IS THERE ANY THAT'S OUT THERE THAT OUR GRANT WRITER HAS BEEN WRITING FOR? SO WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A PROCESS, UH, PERIOD THAT'S COMING BACK UP AGAIN IN THE SPRING FOR GRANTS.
THAT'S THE ONLY, UH, ISSUE I HAVE IS THE AMPHITHEATER.
UH, WE GOT MORE PRESSING ISSUES FAR AS I'M CONCERNED PROJECTS, UM, THAN ACTUALLY AM PHASING IN THE AMPHITHEATER AT THIS TIME.
UM, I'M ALL FOR THE FIRE STATION.
UM, UH, PRIOR CHIEF, THE PRIOR CHIEF BEFORE, UM, OUR CURRENT CHIEF COME IN PLACE IS ALWAYS STRESSED ABOUT THAT NEED FOR ANOTHER FIRE STATION, UM,
UM, BUT TWO, I WOULD LIKE TO, AS YOU SAID, YOU'RE GONNA SUPPLY US WITH THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND THE COST OF EACH, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT THE TIME.
SO THAT'S MY SUGGESTION, WHAT I DO AND DON'T WANT
ELSE I ADD ANOTHER JUST QUESTION TO ASK THE BOARD ON A,
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A PROJECT THAT ISN'T INCLUDED IN THIS, BUT I CAN HOLD THAT UNTIL WE'VE ADDRESSED NO OTHER ISSUES, YOUR HONOR.WELL, I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, WHAT THE BOARD THINKS ABOUT IF, AND THIS A LOT OF KIND OF BIG IF HERE, UM, THE COUNTY OBVIOUSLY PURCHASED THE SHRINERS PROPERTY.
ONE, THE, THE, WHERE THE TEMPLE IS LOCATED, UM, WHICH, UM, THE COUNTY IS WORKING THROUGH HPC, UM, TO DEMOLISH THAT STRUCTURE AND, AND REBUILD OR BUILD A NEW, UM, OFFICE, UH, FOR THEIR NEEDS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PIECE ACROSS, UH, THE ROADWAY, UH, THE WATERSIDE PROPERTY, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY ULTIMATELY, UH, INTENDS TO KEEP THAT PROPERTY OR WHETHER THEY MIGHT END UP, UM, SELLING IT.
SO MY QUESTION OF, OF THE BOARD, JUST TO KIND OF GET EVERYBODY'S INPUT IS IF KIND OF BIG, IF THERE WERE, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE, UM, IF THE COUNTY WERE WILLING TO CONSIDER SELLING THE PROPERTY TO THE CITY, WOULD THE CITY BE INTERESTED IN ACQUIRING IT? AND IF SO, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO PUT A ANOTHER PIECE TO THE QUESTION ON THE BALLOT? THE REFERENDUM ASKING, ESSENTIALLY ASKING THE PUBLIC THAT QUESTION, IS THAT IF AN OPPORTUNITY PRESENTED ITSELF FOR THE CITY TO ACQUIRE, UM, THE WATERSIDE PIECE OF THE SHRINERS PROPERTY, WOULD THEY SUPPORT THE CITY PURCHASING IT? I I, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER, UH, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD SEE VALUE IN POTENTIALLY ACQUIRING THAT PROPERTY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IF IT BECAME AVAILABLE.
SO WHAT DO YOU FORESEE AS GOING TO, IF THE CITY, IF THE CITY ACQUIRES THAT PROPERTY, WHAT DO YOU FORESEE AS OR GOING IN THAT PARTICULAR, ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY OR IN, WELL, I GUESS LONGER TERM IT WOULD JUST BE MAINTAINING IT AS OPEN SPACE AS OPPOSED TO SEEING IT SOLD FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES.
SO IT MIGHT, I GUESS MY ANSWER WOULD BE MORE A PREVENTATIVE NATURE, A NATURE OF NOT WANTING TO SEE THAT DEVELOPED AND, AND HOPEFULLY SEEING IT AS AN ASSET OF THE CITY TO REMAIN IN SOME CAPACITY AS OPEN SPACE.
WELL, ME PERSONALLY, I WANT SOME TAX REVENUE FROM IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, I MEAN, I, I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY LEFT AS A GREEN SPACE AS WELL.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PIER? MM-HMM.
I, I, ALDERMAN PRILL, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UM, I THINK THE COUNTY VASTLY OVERPAID FOR THAT PROPERTY.
UM, THEY'VE GOT MORE INVESTED IN IT, IS WHAT IT'S WORTH.
UM, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SELL IT FOR LESS THAN WHAT THEY PAY FOR IT, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT WHEN IT'S BEEN INFORMALLY MENTIONED AND FLOATED IN THE PAST, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN PAYING FOR WHAT THEY PAY FOR IT.
AND AS FAR AS THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT GOES, THERE'S 75 FOOT CAMERA SETBACKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT.
SO IT'S, ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE THERE IS GONNA BE FAIRLY MINUSCULE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE VAST AMOUNT OF THAT LAND.
SO IN, IN MY OPINION, I THINK THE COUNTY PURCHASED IT.
UM, IT'S SORT OF A, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S A PROBLEM, BUT IT'S, IT'S ON THE COUNTY'S PLATE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH IT.
AND PERSONALLY, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN BAILING THE COUNTY OUT ON THAT ONE.
ISN'T THAT THE SHRINERS CLUB? I MEAN THE, THE SHRINERS BUILDING RIGHT OVER HERE.
THE SHRINERS BUILDING, BUT I THINK RE'S TALKING ABOUT THE WATERFRONT PIECE THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
I'M ONLY DEALING WITH THE WATERFRONT PIECE, NOT WE'RE THE ROUNDABOUT PIECE, NOT THE TEMPLE.
I, I WAS AT ANOTHER LOCATION,
WELL, HAVE THEY NOT, HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY TALKED TO YOU ANY AT ALL ABOUT MAYBE TRADING A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THAT OR NOTHING MAJOR IN, WE'VE HAD SOME GENERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, ABOUT A VARIETY OF TOPICS, BUT, BUT NOTHING, NOTHING SERIOUS.
I, I MEAN, I GUESS REALLY ALL I'M SAYING IS IF, IF WE'RE GONNA PROCEED, UM, AT SOME POINT OF
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HAVING SOME QUESTIONS ON A REFERENDUM, UM, ASKING THE PUBLIC WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE COMFORTABLE ADDING THIS QUESTION TO THAT LIST, AGAIN, JUST TO GET KIND OF THE INPUT OF THE PUBLIC.AND THE PUBLIC MAY TURN AROUND AND SAY NO.
UM, SO THAT GIVES US SOME GUIDANCE OR THEY MIGHT, MIGHT SAY YES IF THE OPPORTUNITY EVER CAME ABOUT.
AND IT'S, AS THE MAYOR INDICATED, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY THAT COULD BE PRESENTED MIGHT NOT BE AN ACCEPTABLE OPPORTUNITY FINANCIALLY AND, AND WE'RE NOT COMMITTED TO HAVING TO SAY YES.
UH, IT'S JUST A FUTURE BOARD WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
SO, UH, AGAIN, IT'S, IT WAS MORE JUST CURIOSITY TO SEE HOW THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, FELT ABOUT THAT, THAT POSSIBLE ADDITION TO THIS, UH, THIS LIST.
I THINK YOU WERE, YOU HAD SOMETHING? NO, I DON'T, NO, I DIDN'T.
UH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE WES NEWBURN REC CENTER UPGRADES.
UM, I'M NOT INVOLVED WITH BASEBALL, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THESE ARE UTILIZED.
I KNOW THAT CREEKSIDE IS SORT OF THE HUB RIGHT NOW FOR BASEBALL AND, AND THE COUNTY'S DONE.
WEST CRAVEN PARK, THERE'S BASEBALL TAKES PLACE OUT THERE.
UM, IS, IS THIS A SERIOUS NEED FOR US? 'CAUSE AREN'T WE IMPROVING HENDERSON PARK, THOSE BASEBALL FIELDS OUT THERE WITH THE STANLEY WHITE UPGRADE? WE'RE, WE'RE NOT IMPROVING THE BASEBALL FIELD TO ANDERSON PARK.
UM, THE, THE ONLY FIELDS FOR BASEBALL THAT ARE BEING USED IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN AND CARE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS, ARE OVER AT SOUTHWEST PARROT PARK SUNDAY.
SCHOOL LEAGUE HEAVILY USES THOSE LITERALLY FROM SPRING THEY'RE ALSO PLAYING FALL BALL.
AND THEN IN THE SPRING AND SUMMER THEY'RE USING PIERCE PARK.
SO THOSE ARE THE FIELDS THAT ARE BEING USED.
BOARD, ANY MORE COMMENTS, SIR? QUESTIONS? I RECKON I JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT SAME QUESTION AND HAVING FOUR FIELDS FOR SUNDAY SCHOOL BASEBALL.
IS, IS THAT ABSOLUTELY A NEED? I MEAN, ARE THEY HAVING TO WAIT AND SO HERE COMES, SO THIS PAST SEASON WE SAW QUITE AN INCREASE IN BASEBALL USAGE.
UM, NEWBURN SUNDAY SCHOOL LEAGUE OFTEN HAD THE FIELDS DOUBLE BOOKED FOR THEIR PRACTICES.
THEY DID PLAY ALL THEIR GAMES ON SUNDAY.
UM, THERE WERE A FEW DURING THE WEEK FOR THE YOUNGER KIDS.
UM, THE BABE RUTH LEAGUE, WHICH USES CUTLER PRIMARILY, THEY SAW THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF PARTICIPATION THIS YEAR THAT THEY'VE SEEN IN QUITE A WHILE.
I THINK THEY ENDED UP HAVING S TEAMS. UM, AND THEY HAVE BEEN, UM, PRACTICING DAILY OUT THERE.
UM, AND THEIR GAMES ARE ON THE WEEKENDS ON SATURDAY.
SO WE'VE SEEN QUITE A BIT OF USAGE, UM, INCREASE IN BASEBALL THIS PAST YEAR.
CARRIE, WHAT DO YOU ENVISION WITH HENDERSON PARK? AS FAR AS BASEBALL OR JUST IN GENERAL BASEBALL OR FOOTBALL OR, WELL, WE'RE TURNING THAT BACK FIELD INTO A MULTIPURPOSE FIELD SO THAT WAY WE CAN IMPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, UM, SOCCER, FOOTBALL, LACROSSE, WHATEVER BACK THERE.
WE'LL STILL HAVE THE SMALLER FIELD UP FRONT, UM, THAT WE CAN USE FOR T-BALL AND SOME SOFTBALL.
IT'S ALSO THAT MULTIPURPOSE FIELD THAT CARRIE MENTIONED AT HENDERSON PARK THAT'S ALSO GONNA BE GETTING, IT'S GONNA BE LIGHTED.
SO WE RECEIVE SOME FUNDS FROM FEMA TO DO THAT.
SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT MOST LIKELY BEING LIT IN THE SPRING OF 2025.
ANYTHING ELSE? O OKAY, SO HER, HER, HER TWO COMMENTS ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF I CAN GET SOME DIRECTION, CAN I GET THE DIRECTION FROM A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD THAT HEY, MAYBE WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OFF OF A POTENTIAL BOND REFERENDUM AND PLANNING AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IN THE FUTURE FOR A FIRE STATION.
IS THERE, IS THERE ENOUGH OF A CONSENSUS AMONG THE BOARD FOR THAT? YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROPOSED NEW FIRE STATION BEING REMOVED FROM CONSIDERATION FOR BOND REFERENDUM
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AND TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR FUTURE BUDGETS? UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.AND WHAT, WHEN WILL, WHEN WILL THIS BE VOTED ON? THE FALL? YES, OCTOBER NEXT YEAR.
SO IF IT, I MEAN, IF WE PUT IT ON AND IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH, WE STILL WOULD JUST AT THAT POINT IN TIME BE ABLE TO JUST DO IT OURSELVES? WELL, WE, WE COULD, I, I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, HAVING, UM, A REFERENDUM, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S GETTING INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY HELD TO WHAT THE PUBLIC IS SAYING.
SO IF THE PUBLIC SAID NO TO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A FUTURE BOARD COULD STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH IT IF THEY FELT THAT IT WAS WARRANTED.
UM, AGAIN, I, I THINK WHAT I'M SAYING IS DO WE WANT TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR OR DO WE WANT TO JUST MAKE A DECISION AND MOVE AND START MOVING FORWARD MUCH SOONER THAN THAT.
AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING FORWARD SOONER ON THAT PROJECT LOOK, BUT I, I THINK THEY REALLY CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THEY DO THE ROAD, UNTIL THEY BUILD THE ROAD, THE 43 CONNECTOR.
UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT FAMILIAR EXACTLY WHERE YEAH.
UM, THE PROPOSED STATION, IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
AND WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN WESTERN NORTH CAROLINA WITH THE HURRICANE, WE MOST RECENTLY HEARD FROM THE MPO ADMINISTRATOR THAT WE WILL PROBABLY BE HEARING AT SOME POINT IN JANUARY IF THE 43 CONNECTOR PROJECT IS DELAYED.
AND, AND IF SO, POSSIBLY HOW LONG THAT COULD BE? I THINK REGARDLESS FOR A FIRE STATION IN WEST NEWBURN, IN REALITY WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT BETWEEN THREE AND FIVE YEARS.
AND, AND OF COURSE WHOLE POINT OF THIS BOND REFERENDUM IS WE'RE LOOKING AT PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA GET US UP TO 10 YEARS OUT FROM NOW AS WELL.
SO WHILE IF A BOND REFERENDUM IS SUCCESSFUL IN NEWBURN FOR ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES, THERE ARE CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT COULD START IMMEDIATELY.
THERE ARE CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT MAY NOT START FOR A FEW YEARS.
UM, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE FIRE STATION BEING THREE TO FIVE YEARS OUT BECAUSE OF THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION? THAT POPULATION? YES.
UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUT WHAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH WITH FEMA FOR THE STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER, BUT THAT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, OVER FIVE YEARS FOR THAT IT, IT TAKES MULTIPLE YEARS TO DEVELOP, UH, A FACILITY.
AND SO, WELL, I THINK THE OTHER THING TOO, I, I DON'T WANT TO GET, I DON'T WANNA GET DOWN THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT FIRE HOLE, LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOWN MANY TIMES ALDERMAN ASTER, BUT ONCE THE HIGHWAY 70 JAMES CITY BYPASS AND THAT PROJECT IS COMPLETE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CAUSE OF SERVICE FOR THURMAN ROAD, WE'VE GOT THAT EXTRA CREW THAT WE HAD OUT THERE, THAT PERSONNEL COULD BE SHIFTED TO THIS NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT TO KEEP AND THAT WOULD HELP EAT INTO THAT MILLION DOLLAR A YEAR ANNUAL COST TO RUN THAT FIRE DEPARTMENT.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT EXTRA WELL I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DISAGREE WITH YOU.
I MEAN YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE TO BE ABLE TO START A FIRE AND IT'S A LONG WAYS, I DON'T CARE IF YOU GOT A NEW HIGHWAY OR NOT, IT IS A LONG WAYS FOR A FIRETRUCK TO TRAVEL FROM NEW BOULEVARD TO BLUE ORDER RISE.
WELL, MR. HUGHES, OH, I'M SORRY.
I AGREE WITH HIM ON THAT ASPECT.
WELL, MR. HUGHES, UH, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I MEAN AS FAR AS, UM, YOU KNOW, US PUTTING THIS FIRE STATION IN THIS BOND REFERENDUM, UM, TO BE VOTED ON BY OUR CITIZENS AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW AT WHAT POINT IN, UH, NCDO T'S GONNA CONSTRUCT THE ROAD, RIGHT? SO WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING THAT PROJECT IN, THIS BOND IN, WE GOT WHAT, 10 YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COME TO FRUITION.
AND LOOK HOW MANY TIMES THE N-C-D-O-T HAVE SAID THAT THE PROJECT'S 43 IS GONNA, UH, THE 43 BYPASS, THIS IS GONNA START 25 YEARS.
THAT'S HOW LONG I'VE BEEN TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE I WAS IN HIGH, I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
SO, AND, AND THERE IS A NEED FOR A FIRE STATION.
IT MIGHT BE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK FOR ANOTHER LOCATION FOR THE FIRE STATION IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE IN THAT MUCH OF A NEED, UM, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT
WELL THAT WOULDN'T BE APPLICABLE TO THE AREA THAT'S GROWING OUT THERE.
PARDON ME? IF WE PUT THAT FIRE STATION AT ANOTHER LOCATION.
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I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THAT AREA.WELL, YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT, BUT IN THAT AREA, I MEAN, WHATEVER THE FIRE CHIEF FEELS IS
HE'S THE ONE THAT'S DONE, COMPILED ALL THIS DATA AND GOT ALL THIS INFORMATION FOR US.
THAT MIGHT BE A SUGGESTION, ANOTHER LOCATION.
I THINK THE IDEA OF PUTTING IT ON A 43 CONNECTOR IS SO IT WOULD SERVE 17 SOUTH AREA AS WELL.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S ALL DEPEND ON WHEN THEY BUILD THAT CONNECT.
SO MAYBE WE OUGHT TO PUT THE ROAD ON THE POND.
SO, SO, SO FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECT, GOING BACK TO MY QUESTION ON, ON DIRECTION FOR, TO REMOVE IT, IS IS THE SUPPORT TO REMOVE IT AT THIS TIME? YEAH, I, LET'S JUST LEAVE IT AT THIS TIME AND IF THINGS, IF BY THE TIME YOU COME BACK TO US, MAYBE WE'LL KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE 43 CONNECTOR.
WHEN ARE YOU COMING BACK TO US WITH THIS? NOT UNTIL WHEN WE, SO WE ARE GOING TO BE COMING BACK JANUARY, FEBRUARY NEXT YEAR WITH SOME PRICES.
SO ALDERMAN, KENZIE WILL PROBABLY REMEMBER THIS, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE TIME BEFORE, THIS IS WHEN VICTOR AND BERNARD MM-HMM.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND THIS FIRE STATION ENDED UP MORPHING INTO THIS JOINT POLICE FIRE TAJ MAHAL.
AND IT WAS $24 MILLION I THINK WAS THE NUMBER THEY CAME BACK WITH.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE NEVER MOVED FORWARD WITH IT.
SO I WOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND AS FAR AS THERE'S A NEED FOR A FIRE STATION.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED ALL THAT EXTRA THAT WAS PUT IN THIS LAST ONE.
IT WAS PRIOR TO YOU MR. CITY MANAGER.
BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED THE LAST TIME THIS CAME ABOUT.
YOU WERE TO THE CHIEF RIGHT? CLOSE TO, I THINK IT WAS CLOSE TO IT.
ALRIGHT, SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? LEAVE IT OR CHECK IT OUT? YOU SAY LEAVE IT.
WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT I WOULD THINK TO GO AHEAD AND WORK ON IT AND GET THE FIGURES TOGETHER.
WE CAN ALWAYS DISCUSS IT BACK IN, IN JANUARY WHEN WE FIND OUT MORE.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE 43 CONNECTOR.
AUBURN BESS, I THINK YOU WERE LEANING TOWARD LEAVING IT FOR NOW.
I MEAN, BECAUSE THE FIRST OF THE YEAR AS CITY MANAGER SAYS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER WHEN HE COMES BACK TO US WITH, UM, NUMBERS, SO, OKAY.
AUBURN PER, I THINK YOU WERE SAYING TAKE IT OUT, DON'T LEAVE IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
THIS DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE.
IS THAT FAIR? UH, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE I'M AT.
SO TWO TO TAKE IT OUT, ONE TO LEAVE IT IN.
AUBURN ROYAL, ANY OPINION, WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION? MR. HUGHES? YOU, YOU'VE ALL BROUGHT UP VERY GOOD, GOOD POINTS.
UM, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO LEAVE IT IN.
UH, THAT'S HOW WE, WELL THAT'S HOW WE PRESENTED THIS PACKAGE TO YOU TO BEGIN WITH.
UH, AND, AND I'M THE ONE THAT DID CREATE, CREATE THIS WITH STAFF TO DO THIS.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
SO IF THE BOARD FIRST TO PULL THAT OUT, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WELL, I, I, I THINK IT'S AGAIN, HE'S, THE CITY MANAGER'S GONNA GO BACK AND GET PRICING AND PRESENT IT BACK TO US IN JANUARY.
AND IN JANUARY MAYBE WE WILL HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THE 43 CONNECTOR.
UH, 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD A FIRE STATION IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A ROAD.
AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO ROAD TO WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING THE FIRE STATION.
UH, I AGREE ALSO TO LEAVE IT IN UNTIL WE GET SOME MORE INFORMATION AND AT THAT TIME WHEN HE, WE, WE GET SOME MORE INFORMATION, WE CAN ALWAYS SAY NO, PULL IT.
'CAUSE THE ONLY THING HE'S DOING IS GETTING PRICES FOR US.
AND IF WE DECIDE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA GO AHEAD WITH A 43 CONNECTOR RIGHT AWAY, UH, WE CAN THEN DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO, TO LEAVE IT IN OR PULL IT.
SO I'M IN FAVOR OF HIM GOING AHEAD AND GETTING PRICES.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT OURSELVES OR IF WE'RE GONNA PUT IT ON THE BIN, I'LL GO WITH MR. HUGHES RECOMMENDATION.
SO IN TERMS OF PARKS AND RECREATION PROJECTS AND STREET IMPROVEMENT, SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, THE ONLY COMMENT I HEARD WAS FROM ALDERMAN BEST REGARDING THE AMPHITHEATER.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS? ALSO, ALDERMAN PRILL BROUGHT UP A QUESTION ABOUT THE,
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THE GREEN SPACE THAT, UH, UH, AT THE OLD SHRINERS PROPERTY.ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THOSE PROJECTS? I'M A THOUSAND PERCENT BEHIND EVERYTHING LISTED FOR MARTIN MARIETTA.
I GET ASKED ME TOO, ALL THE TIME, WHEN IS MARTIN MARIETTA GONNA BE FINISHED OUT? AND THE ANSWER IS FUNDING.
AND WE'VE DONE A GREAT STAFF, DONE A GREAT JOB GETTING GRANT FUNDING TO GET WHERE WE ARE NOW.
UM, BUT THAT'S ONLY GONNA GET US SO FAR.
UM, SO I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE IF YOU ALL TAKE STAFF'S WORD FOR IT AS FAR AS THE BASEBALL FIELDS AT, AT UH, WEST NEWBURN.
UM, AND AGAIN, IF YOU COME BACK AND ALL THESE COSTS ARE TWICE WHAT WE HAD IN MIND, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, IF I, I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT A LAZY RIVER, UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE POOL IS MUCH MORE UTILIZED THAN WHAT IT USED TO BE.
UM, WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT THINGS FOR THE KIDS TO DO IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE DONE OUTREACH TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND BUILD THINGS, WHETHER IT'S A TRAMPOLINE PARK OR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND NOBODY SEEMS TO WILLING TO DO IT.
SO IF THIS IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOMETHING FOR THE KIDS TO DO, UM, I HAVE NO ISSUE SEEING WHAT THAT PRICE IS.
ANY OTHER PROJECTS YOU CAN THINK OF? WELL, LET, LET ME MAKE THIS STATEMENT.
I AM TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF MARTIN MARIETTA PARK IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT I DO NOT AGREE AT THIS POINT IN TIME ABOUT INCLUDING THE AMPHITHEATER.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IT, IT, IT'S REALLY GONNA DEPEND ON THE DESIGN AND OF COURSE, RIGHT.
AND THE REASON WHY WE WOULD COME BACK WITH A POTENTIAL DESIGN DURING THIS PROCESS.
AND THE REASON WHY I SAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BECAUSE THIS WAS PROPOSED TO US BEFORE BY MS. KERRY WARREN ABOUT AN AMPHITHEATER.
SO THAT IS MY ONLY THING BECAUSE HERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR AMPHITHEATER RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, I AGREE WITH ALL THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS PARK AT THIS TIME, BUT THERE'S A LOT WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING AN AMPHITHEATER AND THEN YOU GOTTA HAVE YOUR CUSTOMER SUPPORT THE REVENUE GENERATED FROM THIS THEATER.
UM, AND ALSO WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A LOT HERE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A FIRE STATION, UM, THAT'S A BIG TICKET ITEM.
SO WE, WE GOT A LOT OF PROJECTS HERE AND HERE WE ARE TALKING OF, WE'RE NOT SPEAKING OF IT TODAY, BUT IT'S COMING UP.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPOSING MORE RATES ON OUR CUSTOMERS.
UM, MORE RATE FEES ON OUR CUSTOMERS FOR ELECTRIC.
SO I MEAN, IT'S A LOT INVOLVED WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THIS OUT HERE ON THE BOND REFERENDUM, WHICH IS GONNA AFFECT OUR CUS OUR CITIZENS.
THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN RIGHT NOW.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS MARK MARIO EMPATHY TO COME INTO FRUITION AT SOME OTHER POINT IN TIME, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
WELL, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE LETTING THE, THE CITIZENS OF NEWBURN VOTE WHETHER THEY WANT IT OR NOT.
YOU KNOW, UH, I'M ALL THE PAPER LEAVING IT JUST LIKE IT IS.
CAN YOU OTHER FEEDBACK? I'M, MY OWN FEELING RIGHT NOW IS I, YOU KNOW, I LEAVE EVERYTHING ON UNTIL WE HAVE A, A BETTER IDEA AS TO WHAT POTENTIAL COSTS ARE.
WE CAN ALWAYS PULL THINGS LATER, UM, YOU KNOW, AS CIRCUMSTANCES DICTATE.
AND SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PART OF THE DEBT PORTABILITY ANALYSIS.
AND, AND WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBERS YET FOR WHAT THESE PROJECTS CAN COST, BUT, BUT KIM'S GONNA PROVIDE A REFRESHER FOR YOU BECAUSE THIS WAS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY WITH DAVENPORT AS WELL SINCE, UM, MR. HUGHES SAID THERE IS A DEBT AFFORDABILITY ANALYSIS COMPLETED BY DAVENPORT.
WE PULLED OUT A COUPLE SLIDES THAT WE JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT, UM, THE LEADING INTO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, THIS WAS THE CRITERIA THAT THEY HAD.
WE HAD FOUR CASES THAT THEY PRESENTED THAT'S TO THE LEFT, UM, BASED ON THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT IT WAS A 20 YEAR LOAN AND OR 20 YEARS.
AND THEN AMORTIZATION LEVEL IS AT THE PRINCIPAL AND THE INTEREST RATE IS 5.344%, UM, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE HIGHEST, UM, YEAH, THE HIGHEST INTEREST RATE CHARGED FOR SIMILAR DEBT OVER THE MAXIMUM BOND ISSUANCE TERM OF 20 YEARS.
UM, THAT IS THE RATE THAT THE LGC WILL LOOK FOR FOR THE SAFE HARBOR INTEREST RATE GUIDELINES.
SO, UM, CASE ONE, THE MAXIMUM DEBT AFFORDABILITY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE WITH NO ADDITIONAL DEDICATED TAX RATE REVENUE.
AND THEN CASE TWO WAS 1 CENT TAX RATE EQUIVALENT DEDICATED
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IN FY 27, CASE THREE WAS 3 CENTS AND CASE FOUR WAS 5 CENTS.SO TAKING A LOOK AT THE CHART ON THE NEXT PAGE, THE CASE ONE HERE, THE MAX, UM, DEBT AFFORDABILITY OR DEBT CAPACITY WOULD'VE BEEN 7.7 MILLION.
CASE THREE SHOWS 24.5 AT 3 CENTS, AND CASE FOUR IS 35.7 AT, UM, UM, 5 CENTS.
ALL OF THESE FALL WITHIN OUR DEBT CAPACITY GUIDELINES.
UM, THE ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT, UM, HE MADE WHEN HE WAS HERE WAS THAT IT'S ABOUT 2 CENTS PER $10 MILLION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SO FAR? ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, DO YOU HAVE ANY ROUGH ESTIMATES ON THESE PROJECTS THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TONIGHT? SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA MAKE THIS COMMENT BY INCLUDING EVERYTHING IN HERE, BUT I THINK IN REALITY, STAFF'S LOOKING FOR AROUND A $25 MILLION BOND PACKAGE IN REALITY TO DO, TO DO EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.
IT, IT MAY NOT INCLUDE THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE AIMING FOR.
SO THERE COULD BE SOME PROJECTS THAT COULD BE CALLED, UH, THERE MAY BE SOME, SOME DESIGNS OF THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THEM.
GO BACK TO THAT LAST PAGE PLEASE.
BUT $25 MILLION I THINK IS, IS REASONABLE FOR AS OF RIGHT NOW FOR THE, FOR THE THREE CATEGORIES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
AND IDEALLY, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT 5 CENTS, THAT HELPS US ALSO, UM, BUILD THE RESERVE, CAPITAL RESERVE, UM, FOR DEBT CAPACITY.
THIS IS A ONCE EVERY FOUR YEAR OPPORTUNITY.
'CAUSE BASED OFF OF LAW, YOU CAN ONLY DO IT WHEN THERE'S A CITYWIDE ELECTION.
UM, YOU'RE GIVING A A LA CARTE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE VOTERS TO PICK AND CHOOSE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULDN'T GO FOR THE LARGEST.
AND THEN 'CAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY IF YOU HAVE THESE THREE CATEGORIES, THE PUBLIC MAY SAY, IF THOSE THREE CATEGORIES, LET'S JUST SAY WAS THE, THE 5 CENT INCREASE MM-HMM
AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOOD WITH TWO OUT OF THE THREE CATEGORIES, THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE DOWN TO 3 CENT.
BUT IF YOU ASK FOR 3 CENT AND THEN THEY ONLY PICK TWO OF THOSE CATEGORIES, NOW YOU'RE DOWN TO ONE OR 2 CENT.
AND YOU MAY HAVE MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN IMPACT WITH SOME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
SO KIM, THERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU, KIM.
UM, IN EACH ONE OF THESE CASE SCENARIO, UH, SCENARIOS HERE, I'M JUST SAYING CASE TWO.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IN 2026 WE'LL GENERATE, UM, THAT AMOUNT OF TAX REVENUE? YES.
SO NOW AND THEN, UM, 27 OKAY, YOU GOT IT UP AGAIN TO 20 25, 2, 20, 30.
SO HAVE YOU, I THINK THE LAST TAX, UM, THE LAST TAX VAL WAS WHEN? TWO YEARS AGO? I THINK I, TWO YEARS AGO.
SO WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER TAX, WE POSSIBLY HAVE ANOTHER TAX VAL COMING UP.
IS THAT WITHIN ANOTHER, WHAT, FIVE YEARS? I, SO, SO THEN WE, WHAT I'M SAYING HERE IS THESE FIGURES WILL CHANGE BECAUSE OUR TAX, OUR OUR PROPERTY VALUES BE MORE SO OUR TAX FEES WILL, WILL COME IN MORE.
THEY, THEY COULD CHANGE IT, RIGHT? YES.
UM, SO WE COULD GENERATE MORE TAX REVENUE OTHER THAN WHAT'S ON THIS CHART BASED ON REVALS, MY APOLOGIES.
UM, ALDERMAN BUSS, IT'S NOT TAX REVENUE, IT'S THE DEBT CAPACITY OKAY.
AND THERE WERE OTHER CHARTS THAT SUPPORTED THAT.
DIDN'T PROVIDE IT, BUT IT WAS IN THE BOOKLET THAT THEY HAD THAT SUPPORTED.
UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS INTO THE BREAKDOWN OF THE REVENUE THAT YOU WOULD GENERATE.
AND WOULD YOU, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UM, BUILDING A RESERVE AND, AND TAX REVALUATION WOULDN'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THIS BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FINANCE OPTION FOR THIS AND IF IT RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT 5 CENTS OR 6 CENTS,
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THOSE, THOSE, THOSE PENNIES WOULD BE ENCUMBERED AND DEDICATED TO DO NOTHING BUT PAYING THE DEBT OFFICER.ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU NEED? ANYTHING ELSE FROM US? NO, SIR.
SO, WE'LL, WE WILL START WORKING ON THE PRICING AND, UH, AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, WE'LL WE'LL GET WITH YOU ON, UH, DOING ANOTHER WORKSHOP BEFORE, UH, AN UPCOMING BOARD MEETING AND, UH, GO FROM THERE.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
BOARD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.