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ALL[I. Call to Order ]
RIGHT, WELL, IT IS ALMOST SIX O'CLOCK AND I'M, OH, THERE IS, I HEAR THE CHIME OUTSIDE.SIX O'CLOCK CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.
UM, AND CAN WE START OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY.
[Il. Approval of Minutes ]
FIRST ITEM, OR THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.AND THESE ARE THE MEETING MINUTES FOR OUR MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 9TH.
AND I BELIEVE WE ALL RECEIVED AN AMENDED VERSION OF THOSE MEETING MINUTES VIA EMAIL.
EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE? IF THERE'S NO OTHER CONCERNS, UM, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES? SO MOVED.
I HAVE A MOTION IN TWO SECONDS.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY DISCUSSION.
AND ALL OPPOSED, UH, MOTION CARRIES.
AND THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 9TH ARE APPROVED.
[IV. Approval of Agenda ]
THE NEXT THING IS WE'RE GONNA APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA, AND THAT WAS ALSO SENT OUT.EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA? SO MOVED.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AND ALL OPPOSED, UM, MOTION CARRIES.
AND WE'RE GONNA APPROVE OUR AGENDA AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AS IT IS PRINTED AND AS YOU HAVE RECEIVED IT.
[V. Reading of Guiding Principles and Mission ]
UM, TONIGHT.WE'LL ALSO, WE ALWAYS START WITH READING OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND OUR MISSION.
I'M GONNA READ THE MISSION TONIGHT.
UM, AND THEN LET EVERYBODY, WE'LL GO AROUND LIKE WE DO AND DO THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
OUR MISSION AS THE NEW NEWBORN REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS LEADING THE WAY FOR COMMUNITY TRANSFORMATION AND IMPROVEMENT BY DIRECTLY ADDRESSING COMMUNITY NEEDS IN THE VITAL AREAS OF PUBLIC HEALTH, INFRASTRUCTURE, HOUSING, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THE COMMISSION IS COMMITTED TO AN ACCOUNTABLE, TRANSPARENT, AND PUBLICLY DRIVEN PROCESS.
SO I'LL START ON THAT END WITH COMMISSIONER BRYANT FOR OUR FIRST GUIDING PRINCIPLE.
PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE TERMS, RESPECT OWNER'S OPINIONS, LISTEN TO BILL CONSENSUS, SHARE ACCURATE INFORMATION, PUBLIC PERCEPTION.
UM, WELL, AND THE NEXT THING IS OUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HA INVITE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND OUR MEETINGS MONTHLY.
AND ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK HAS FOUR MINUTES TO SPEAK.
MADAM CHAIR, FOR THE RECORD, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, ALDERMAN, RICK P'S UH, IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT AS AN EXCUS, YOU A MEMBER.
AND MR. P PRILL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME, WE DO HAVE A CHAIR WITH A MICROPHONE.
I SAID YOU'RE WELCOME TO JOIN US IN THE DAY IF YOU'D LIKE.
I'LL, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU TONIGHT, SIR.
UM, AND I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE NO PUBLIC, UH, COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, SO WE WILL MOVE
[VII.1.a. - VII.1.d.]
ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS OLD BUSINESS.AND IN ORDER TO, UM, SPEND MORE TIME ON THE NEW BUSINESS, IT, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY UPDATES THAT I'VE HEARD OF FOR THESE PROJECTS.
AND I'LL ASK YOU, UM, MR. HOFF, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU KNOW OF FROM THE PROJECT GROUPS THAT YOU FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE UPDATED ON IN THE OLD BUSINESS, THE WEST A STREET PROJECT, FIRST AVENUE UPDATE, EUBANKS PROJECT.
UM, OH, AND I DO SEE, WE DO HAVE THE CALENDAR, SO WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.
UH, I, I MATTER ATTORNEY, UH, I, I WOULD, WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE CDBG CONSULTANT AND, UH, REALLY BRIEF, UH, OVERVIEW OF THAT CONVERSATION, JUST SO EVERYONE CAN STAY, UH, ABREAST OF, UH, UH, OF, OF THE CONVERSATION.
REALLY ALL ACTION CONCERNING THE EUBANKS WILL HAPPEN IN DECEMBER, BUT IF, IF, UH, IF OUR ATTORNEY WOULD JUST UPDATE US AS TO WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT, THAT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMISSION, UH, BRIEFLY.
MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF ATTENDING A, UM, TEAMS MEETING WITH OUR CDBG CONSULTANT, CITY, CDBG STAFF, MR. HUFF,
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UM, AND OUR OFFICE TO HELP IRON OUT THE PATHWAY FORWARD FOR THE NINE 11 UBANK HOUSE.AS YOU ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR, CDBG FUNDS WERE UTILIZED IN THE REHABILITATION OF THAT STRUCTURE.
SO WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH NOT JUST OUR REDEVELOPMENT CONDITION STATUTES, BUT ALSO FEDERAL GUIDELINES.
AND IN THAT CONVERSATION, WE WERE ABLE TO IRON OUT WHAT OUR, UM, IMMEDIATE NEXT STEPS WILL BE.
UM, FIRST OF WHICH OUR CDBG CONSULTANT HAS ADVISED THAT WE NEED TO GET THREE APPRAISALS, UM, QUOTES FOR THREE QUOTES, THREE QUOTES FOR APPRAISALS FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND WE SELECT THE, UM, WINNING PERSON IN THAT PROCESS TO DO AN APPRAISAL OF THE NINE 11 U BANK STRUCTURE.
THE PURPOSE OF GETTING THAT APPRAISAL IS TO GIVE CDBG, UM, AND HUD SOME IDEA OF THE VALUE, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT GOING FORWARD.
ADDITIONALLY, WE DISCUSSED THE, UM, TERMS THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE NOTICES TO THE PUBLIC.
OBVIOUSLY THE GOAL IN THIS SITUATION IS TO HAVE A HOMEOWNER, UM, WHO IS LOW MODERATE INCOME, BE ABLE TO RESIDE IN THAT PROPERTY AND TO SATISFY ALL OF THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS BOTH AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL.
THERE'S CERTAIN PARTICULARS THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN THERE.
SO ONE, UM, THE, THE RESIDENCE HAS TO BE USED AS A PRIMARY RESIDENCE BY THE PERSON WHO WINS THE BID.
TWO, THERE'S A LIEN ON A AFFORDABILITY LIEN ON THAT PROPERTY FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THE CONDITIONS ARE SATISFIED.
WE'RE ALSO ASKING THE CDBG CONSULTANT ADVISED US THAT WE NEED TO GET CERTAIN INCOME VERIFICATION INFORMATION, UM, W TWOS BIRTH CERTIFICATES, UM, SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE PERSON'S MAKING THE BID IS WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE.
AND TWO, MEET THE THRESHOLD, UM, USING THE HUD GUIDELINES FOR LOW MODERATE INCOME PERSONS.
WE ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ESTABLISH A MINIMUM BID IF YOU'D LIKE TO, BUT THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR CDBG.
SO AFTER WE, UM, INDICATE WHEN WE'RE READY TO PUBLISH THAT NOTICE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PROCESSES WE CAN USE TO CONVEY THAT PROPERTY.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE CREATURES OF STATUTE, SO WE HAVE TO CHECK ONE OF THOSE PROPERTY DISPOSITION METHODS.
I THINK STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE UTILIZE THE SEALED BID PROCESS, WHICH WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE, UM, TO MAKE AN OFFER TO PURCHASE.
THEY CAN USE ONE OF SEVERAL METHODOLOGIES IN ORDER TO PAY A DEPOSIT TOWARDS THAT BID AMOUNT.
CASH, CASHIER'S CHECK, UM, CERTIFIED FUNDS OR SURETY BOND.
THAT SURETY BOND WOULD ALLOW, UM, INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY BE WORKING WITH, UM, STATE AGENCIES TO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO PUT UP CASH, UM, BUT MAY BE ABLE TO USE GOVERNMENT, UM, FUNDING OR ASSISTANCE TO BE ABLE TO CERTIFY THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PURCHASING PROCESS.
THE BID PERIOD WILL RUN AND WHOEVER IS THE HIGHEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER WILL BE CONVEYED, UM, TO DEIA WHO IS OUR IN-HOUSE, CDBG PERSON.
DEIA WILL THEN LOOK AT THE INCOME VERIFICATION INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY THE BIDDER TO VERIFY THAT THEY DO IN FACT MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS OF A LOW TO MODERATE INCOME PERSON.
ASSUMING THEY MEET THE, THAT QUALIFICATION, THE HIGHEST RESPONSE OF BIDDER WILL BE BROUGHT TO YOU ALL FOR YOU ALL TO ACCEPT AND AWARD THE BID OR REJECT ALL BIDS.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, OUR C-D-B-J-C-D-B-G CONSULTANT HAS INDICATED THAT A SUB-RECIPIENT AGREEMENT IS NECESSARY BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING YET ANOTHER, UH, MINOR CHANGE.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING, UM, ACCORDING TO OUR CDBG CONSULTANT, THAT IS A LABORIOUS PROCESS.
IT'S JUST A DOCUMENT THAT YOU, UM, AND, AND THE CITY WOULD SIGN JUST AGREEING TO THESE PARAMETERS FOR UTILIZING THE CDBG FUNDS.
AND THEN ONCE THE SALE IS COMPLETE, UM, PRO ANYTHING THAT'S PROGRAMMED INCOME WILL BE REIMBURSED BACK TO CDBG.
CERTAIN EXPENSES ARE GOING TO BE DEDUCTED FROM THAT AND A LOW TO MODERATE INCOME PERSON WILL BE A HOMEOWNER ON UH, EUBANK STREET.
SO NEXT STEPS GOING FORWARD ARE OUR CDBG CONSULTANT IS PREPARING THE SUB-RECIPIENT AGREEMENT.
WE'RE HOPEFUL TO HAVE THAT DOCUMENT FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION AT THE DECEMBER MEETING.
UM, MR. HUFF HAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED, UM, SOME INDIVIDUALS TO CONTACT AS FAR AS THE APPRAISAL GOES.
AS YOU KNOW, UM, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION STATUTES SAY THAT FOR CERTAIN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES YOU DON'T HAVE TO BID IT.
SO HE'S GETTING, UM, SOME ESTIMATES OF WHAT THOSE COSTS MIGHT BE SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPRAISED PROCESS.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE OF NOTE THAT I AM OMITTING, ONCE WE HAVE THE SUB RECIPIENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE AND WE KNOW THE APPRAISED VALUE, THEN YOU ALL CAN, UM, ENTERTAIN WHETHER YOU WOULD LIKE TO INITIATE THE SEAL PROCESS.
THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE ON THAT PROPERTY.
APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US SUCH A GOOD, UM, SUMMARY THERE.
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AS SOON AS WE HAVE A DRAFT OF THE SUB-RECIPIENT AGREEMENT, WE'LL BE ASKING THE PROJECT TEAM TO MEET AGAIN SO THAT WE CAN GO OVER THE PARTICULARS, UH, WITH THE PROJECT TEAM, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, GETTING THE APPRAISAL, UH, THE APPRAISAL PROCESS UNDERWAY.IF, IF THAT, IF THAT DIRECTION IS GIVEN TO ME THIS EVENING.
AND ONE OTHER PIECE THAT I MIGHT ADD, I THINK I'M READING MR. STRICKLAND'S MIND, IS THAT THE AMOUNT OF THE LIEN ON THE PROPERTY WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE APPRAISED VALUE AND WHATEVER THE PURCHASE PRICE IS.
SO IF THE PROPERTY APPRAISES AT LET'S JUST SAY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND IT'S SOLD FOR SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT, THE AMOUNT OF THE LIEN IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY MR. HO? YOU DID.
SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A STICKING POINT THAT THAT'S NEW INFORMATION.
AND I DO WANT TO JUST SAY ONE OF THE REASONS WE'VE SAID FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT THIS IS COMPLEX IS BECAUSE IT IS COMPLEX AND WE'RE WORKING ON A REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING LANDSCAPE BETWEEN FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL LAWS.
SO WE WE'RE, WE'RE BEING VERY CAREFUL TO THREAD THE NEEDLE WELL.
AND SO, UH, WE DO APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S PATIENCE.
PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT QUESTION TO ASK, UM, AT THIS TIME.
BUT IF, DOES THAT LIEN STAY WITH THE PROPERTY, YOU SAID FOR 20 YEARS? FOR 20 YEARS, IF THE PERSON WHO BUYS THIS PROPERTY CAN, IS ABLE OR NEEDS TO SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE WHO ALSO MEETS THE CRITERIA, DOES THE LIEN JUST STAY ON THE PROPERTY OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE SATISFIED BY 20 YEARS OF OWNERSHIP OF THE PERSON WHO BUYS IT FROM US? THE LIEN RUNS WITH THE LAND.
AND I BELIEVE IF OUR CDBG CONSULTANT WERE HERE, SO LONG AS THAT CONVEYANCE WAS TO ANOTHER PERSON THAT MEETS THE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME THRESHOLD, THERE'S NO PENALTY.
BECAUSE THE LIEN IS THERE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NATIONAL OBJECTIVE, THE FEDERAL, NATIONAL OBJECTIVE IS BEING MET.
SO, SO LONG AS WE STAY IN COMPLIANCE OR THAT THEY STAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT, THEN THE LIEN WILL FOLLOW THE LAND.
YES, SHE GOT ONE OF 'EM, BUT I HAVE ONE MORE.
SO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
SO THE MONITORING IS, I UNDERSTAND IT, MR. HUB IS GONNA BE DONE BY THE CITY CDBG, UM, STAFF.
ONCE THE, ONCE THE LAND, ONCE THE PROPERTY IS DISPOSED, WHICH IS A LEGAL TERM, WHICH CARRIES NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS, BUT ONCE WE SELL THE LAND, UH, OUR, OUR PART AS THE COMMISSION WILL, UH, WILL ESSENTIALLY BE OVER, IT WILL BE A-C-D-B-G RUN PROGRAM AND THE COORDINATOR WILL MONITOR FROM THAT POINT ON.
SO WHAT SHOULD BECOME OF THE PROPERTY IF THEY FAIL TO COMPLY? DOES IT REVERT BACK TO US? DOES THE LIEN ATTACH AND THEY COLLECT ON IT OR THEY COLLECT ON THE LIEN? YEAH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO CONSULT WITH CARL TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT THAT'S THE ANSWER.
WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT UPDATE.
NOT USED TO HAVING SUCH A GOOD CDPG UPDATE ON THAT PROJECT.
WE, WE SPENT A LOT OF STAFF TIME ON, ON, UH, EUBANK STREET THIS, UH, THIS MONTH.
SO THANK YOU MADAM ATTORNEY FOR, FOR THAT UPDATE.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION, IT MAY BE OUT OF CONTACT, BUT THAT'S THE HOUSE THAT THE 200 SOME THOUSAND WAS SPENT ON, THE ONE THAT REMOVED.
SO WHAT LOSS WILL THERE BE OR WILL THEY BE ANY LOSS ON THAT HOUSE AND WHO CAN HAVE SOME THAT LOSS? IF MY UNDERSTANDING YOUR, UH, QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING WILL THERE BE ANY LOSS? YES.
AND I BELIEVE TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FOR THAT PROPERTY TO ANYONE? TO ANYONE? WELL, THE, THE MONEY WAS FROM THE CDBG PROGRAM AND I BELIEVE THAT IS WHY THE LIEN WILL BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL THE PROJECT MEETS THE, OR TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS THE GOAL, THE FEDERAL GOAL OF PROVIDING HOUSING FOR A CERTAIN, UM, AND MADAM CHAIR, IF I CAN JUST JUMP IN AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'LL BE A LOSS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PURCHASE PRICE WILL BE.
SO IN THE SEAL BID PROCESS, UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT AN INDIVIDUAL MIGHT BE WILLING TO PAY OR WHAT THEY MIGHT QUALIFY FOR.
UH, SO ONCE WE HAVE AN APPRAISED VALUE, AND ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THE FAIR MARKET VALUE IS BASED ON THE BIDS THAT WE RECEIVE, WE CAN ASSESS WHETHER THERE'S A LOSS TO THE CDBG FUND TO THE COMMISSION, OR TO ANYONE ELSE.
I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS OVER $200,000 SPENT ON THE HOUSE.
NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
THAT'S THE, THE PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I, I, I KNEW IT WAS SO I'M JUST CURIOUS OF WHO GOING TO HAVE SOLVED THAT LOSS AT CBG OR THERE GONNA BE A REFLECTION ON US FOR
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THAT MUCH MONEY BEING SPENT IN THAT HOUSE.I I THINK IF I CAN CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION, IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR.
UH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS IF WE DON'T SELL THAT HOUSE FOR $239,000, WHICH IS WHAT WE SPENT, WILL THE COMMISSION BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR REIMBURSING THE DELTA? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? MORE OR LESS.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM OUR CONVERSATION THE OTHER DAY, WHAT CDBG IS MO WHAT, WHAT CDBG IS MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS MEETING THE NATIONAL OBJECTIVE.
AND SO LONG AS WE MEET THE NATIONAL OBJECTIVE, UH, WE WILL NOT BE ASKED TO REIMBURSE ANYTHING.
THE REASON THEY'RE ASKING US TO GET AN APPRAISAL IS SO THAT WE CAN BE SURE UNDER FEDERAL GUIDELINES THAT WE AT LEAST KNOW WHAT THE MARKET RATE FOR THAT HOUSE WOULD BE.
AND THAT WOULD SET, UH, THAT WOULD SET THE SECOND POSITION LEAN ON THE HOUSE AS OPPOSED TO THE ACTUAL COST SPIN BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME SEPARATION, QUITE A BIT OF SEPARATION BETWEEN WHAT WE SPENT ON THE PROJECT AND WHAT THE FAIR, UH, MARKET RATE ON THE PROJECT ACTUALLY IS.
SO THAT'S THE RE THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE WE'RE HAVING TO GET THE APPRAISAL.
BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
AND, AND TO MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I DO WANT TO PREFACE MY CURRENT UNDERSTANDING, UH, WE WOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DELTA.
AND I THINK, UM, UNLESS THERE'S UPDATES THAT I'M OVERLOOKING ON THE OTHER PROJECTS FOR OLD BUSINESS, NOPE, IT'S JUST THE CALENDAR.
AND THE ONLY THING ABOUT THE CALENDAR, I, WE LOOKED THROUGH THE MEETINGS AS A GROUP, UM, LAST MEETING.
AND WE HAVE NOT DECIDED ON A DATE FOR OUR, UM, PLANNING SESSION.
SO THAT WAS AT THE BOTTOM, UH, OF THE SHEET.
I DO WANT TO JUST, UH, SAY FOR THE RECORD, UH, MR. STRICKLAND HAD HIS HAND UP, SO, OH, SORRY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK OR, OKAY.
UH, ON, ON THE BOTTOM, ADDITIONAL MEETINGS AND EVENTS, INSTEAD OF HAVING A REGULAR MONTHLY MEETING IN JANUARY, WE ARE MOVING, UH, OUR, OUR MEETING TO SAT SATURDAY, JANUARY 18TH, UH, WHICH IS THE THIRD SATURDAY IN JANUARY, UH, FOR THE STRATEGIC COMMISSION RETREAT.
UH, AND SO THAT WAS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU MISSED THAT.
UH, BUT ALL OF THE OTHER, ALL OF THE OTHER MEETINGS LISTED WERE THE SECOND, UH, SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH, UH, EXCEPT JANUARY.
AND, UH, THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETINGS WILL BEGIN AT 6:00 PM HELD AT THE NEW BERN CITY HALL IN THE COURTROOM.
UM, AND, UH, SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS AND AGENDAS FOR THE BUDGET REVIEW MEETING IN MAY IN STRATEGIC COMM, UH, COMMISSION RETREAT, UH, IN JANUARY WILL BE PROVIDED IN ADVANCE BY STAFF.
UM, SO DO WE NEED, UM, SO JUST A CONSENSUS TO, UH, PROVE THAT IT'S, AND I'M, I'M SAYING, I'M THINKING THAT THE COMMISSION IS NOT GONNA TAKE EXCEPTION TO THAT BECAUSE WE, WE WERE MEETING ON THE SAME NIGHT THAT WE'VE BEEN MEETING ON, AND I BELIEVE WE DO NEED TO TAKE A VOICE, A VOICE VOTE, A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, ADOPTING OUR MEETING CALENDAR FOR NEXT YEAR? SO MOVED.
AND DID I HEAR YOU SAY WE NEED A VOICE? VOTE FOR THAT.
YOU NEED A, I SAID YOU NEED A MOTION, BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND A VOICE VOTE.
JUST THE, UM, ALL IN FAVOR? YES, MA'AM.
AND THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON THAT FROM ANYBODY.
DID WE? WE SAID THE THIRD SATURDAY IN JANUARY, SO THE, FOR THE, IT'S JANUARY 18TH.
SO WE ARE, WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT OUR MEETING CALENDAR, UM, AS, UH, CLARIFIED FOR US FOR THE YEAR 2025.
AND ALL OPPOSED? AND THE MOTION CARRIES AND THE CALENDAR HAS BEEN ADOPTED AND I RECOMMEND EVERYBODY PUT THEIR JANUARY 18TH DATE ON YOUR CALENDAR RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE IT WILL COME AROUND FAST AND MAYBE THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT DATE RIGHT NOW ON YOUR CALENDAR.
SO, CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO GET TO THE NEW BUSINESS.
CAN I MOVE TO THAT
MR. STRICKLAND STILL HAS HIS HAND WRITTEN.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA CIRCLE BACK.
UM, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACE 'CAUSE IT IS OLD BUSINESS.
THE MINUTES INDICATE A WALL BELLAMY EXTENSION THROUGH NOVEMBER 15TH.
ARE WE STILL, IS IT, I GUESS, IS THAT A GO OR IS THAT A I WILL, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH COUNSEL FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING TO THE, UH, I, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BESIDES THAT, SO
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I WOULD ASSUME IN TWO DAYS, BUT, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FOLLOW UP.I THINK YOU FINALLY GET YOUR WISH CHAIR
[VIII.1. Consider Accepting the Winning Bid for the Bloomfield Project ]
NEW BUSINESS.THE FIRST ITEM UNDER THAT IS TO CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE WINNING BID FOR THE BLOOMFIELD PROJECT.
AND AS OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SAID, IT'S BEEN A DAY OF SURPRISES BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE ONE BID FOR THIS PROJECT.
DO YOU WANT TO TELL US ABOUT IT? YES.
UNSHAKEABLE BUILDERS, UH, PUT IN A BID OVER THE MINIMUM BID, UH, PRICE.
UH, THEY HAVE BID 15,100, UH, DOLLARS FOR THIS PROJECT.
THEY HAVE AGREED, UH, TO, UH, OUR PARAMETERS AND RESTRICTIONS THEY'VE INCLUDED IN THEIR PACKET ALL NECESSARY.
UM, ALL, ALL REQUESTED DOCUMENTATION.
UH, AND SHOULD THE COMMISSION, UM, EXCEPT THEIR BID, UH, THIS EVENING, UH, WE WILL WE'LL PUT IN THE PAPERWORK FOR, UH, AN APPROPRIATE REQUEST TO PURCHASE AND GO TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, UH, AS SOON AS TOMORROW MORNING.
DID I MISS ANYTHING? MADAM ATTORNEY? THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE UNSEALED A BID FOR THIS COMMISSION.
WELL NOT GO INTO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN TOMORROW MORNING, BUT WE CAN BEGIN THAT PROCESS.
SO THE, HAVE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK THROUGH THE BID TO SEE THAT IT HAD ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT WERE REQUIRED TO BE IN THE BID? YES.
ALL OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WERE REQUIRED TO BE IN THE BID WERE IN THE BID.
UH, THE DESIGN WAS IN COMPLIANCE.
ALL OF THE PROPER INSURANCES WERE, WERE THERE IN THE CITY.
CLERK, UH, CHECKED IT BEFORE SHE LEFT THIS EVENING.
SO IT IS A LEGITIMATE BID BID.
AND WE CHECKED IT OUT WITH ALL OF OUR LEGAL MINDS.
SO WE ARE CONSIDERING ACCEPTING THAT BID, AND I KNOW THAT IT IS, I MEAN, I'M GONNA BE HONEST, IT'S A LITTLE BIT TRICKY BECAUSE NONE OF US HAVE SEEN THAT TO KNOW, SO, AND I KNOW YOU DIDN'T HAVE IT WHEN YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA HAVE IT.
SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WELL, I, I WANNA REMIND THE COMMISSION, THE CONSIDERATION AT THIS POINT IS JUST THE PRICE.
THEY'VE MET ALL THE RESTRICTIONS, WHICH IS WHAT THE SEALED BID REQUIRES.
AND SO BECAUSE THEY, THIS IS A LEGITIMATE BILL BID.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING THAT THE COMMISSION CAN DELIBERATE ON IS IT IS THE PRICE.
AND SO THEY'RE HIGH BID IS $15,100.
SO YOU CAN ACCEPT THAT BID BASED ON PRICE AND THE FACT THAT THEY MET ALL OF YOUR, UH, ALL OF YOUR PREVIOUSLY, UH, UH, PRESCRIBED RESTRICTIONS, OR YOU CAN REJECT ALL BIDS AND SEND THIS BACK TO THE PROJECT TEAM.
UH, AND SO ONE OF THE REASONS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE BID IN FRONT OF YOU IS BECAUSE NO OTHER, NO OTHER, UH, ASPECTS OF THE BID PACKAGE SO LONG AS IT IS A LEGITIMATE BID, UH, CAN BE CONSIDERED EXCEPT THE HIGHEST BID.
THAT THAT IS THE, WHEN WE, WHEN WE AGREE TO SEAL BID PROCESS, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE AGREEING TO.
SO THAT WE WILL GO WITH THE HIGHEST AND MOST RESPONSIVE, BID RESPONSIVE BEING DEFINED BY THE FACT THAT THEY'VE INCLUDED EVERYTHING THAT WE ASKED THEM TO INCLUDE IN THEIR BID PACKET.
IS THAT CORRECT, MADAM ATTORNEY? I'LL, I'LL SAY THIS, THAT THE BID DEADLINE WAS ACTUALLY TODAY.
UM, SO WHEN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE WENT OUT, THERE WAS STILL AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO SUBMIT BIDS.
SO WHEN THE BED BID DEADLINE CLOSED, THE CITY CLERK OPENED THE ONLY BID THAT WAS HERE.
UM, THAT'S THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE HAVE WITH US NOW, CERTAINLY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE DOCUMENTS.
UM, SO IF YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO PASS 'EM AROUND, WE DO HAVE A COPY THIS EVENING.
WE DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL CHECK, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS BEING HELD IN TRUST BY THE CITY CLERK.
UM, BUT YOU'RE ENTITLED TO SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
UM, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UM, MR. HUFF HAS GIVEN A GOOD RECITATION, UM, TO INCLUDE, I I THINK HE PROVIDED A COPY OF HIS GENERAL CONTRACTOR'S LICENSE, HIS COMPREHENSIVE AND LIABILITY INSURANCES, A LIST OF HIS SUBCONTRACTORS, PROOF OF FUNDS, UM, TO FINANCE THE PROJECT.
UM, ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU INDICATED THAT YOU WANTED THAT WAS IN THE PUBLIC NOTICE IS, IS IN HIS PACKAGE.
THE, UH, PACKAGE THAT WENT OUT HAD SAMPLE PLANS, FLOOR PLANS.
UH, DID THE BID INCLUDE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BID? OR DID THEY YES, SIR.
DID I MEAN BUILD OR DID THEY SUBMIT A SEPARATE SET OF PLANS? NO, SIR.
IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, MR. HUFF HAS THOSE DOCUMENTS.
THEY AGREED TO OUR SAMPLE SITE PLAN, THEY DO.
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WAS VETTED BY OUR PLANNING AND ZONING AND, AND THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.AND THEY WERE IN CONSULTATION WITH ME, EXCUSE ME, UH, THROUGHOUT THE MONTH.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION, BUT YOU HAVEN'T NOW.
SO, AND WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE, THE BIDDER? I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN? UNSHAKEABLE UNSHAKEABLE BUILDERS, UH, INC.
UH, THEY'VE DONE, UH, SIMILAR WORK.
UM, THEY, THEY'VE DONE SIMILAR REVITALIZATION WORK IN GREENVILLE.
UH, THEIR MOST RECENT PROJECT THAT THEY, UH, THAT THEY CO-DEVELOPED ON WAS, UH, THE WEST NEW BERN LINCOLN PARK DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THEY ARE VIABLE.
I MEAN, THEY ARE, THEY HAVE DONE, UM, A SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT RECENTLY IN NEARBY.
THEIR REFERENCES ARE IMPECCABLE.
UM, ACTUALLY MR. MERRILL FLOOD ENTERED AND MADE THE INTRODUCTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, FROM THE COMMISSION FOR MR. YES.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE, UM, VALUE OF THE PROPERTY OR THE 75% THRESHOLD? I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE 75% THRESHOLD WAS AROUND 13,000.
I WON'T, I I WON'T BOTCH THE ACTUAL NUMBER AGAIN,
SO THIS IS THE, THEIR BID IS ABOVE THE MINIMUM BID REQUIRED.
AND THEY'RE BUYING IT TO BUILD THESE HOUSES AND SELL THEMSELVES, NOT LIKE, NOT GO BACK THROUGH US AND HAVE US SELL 'EM AND ALL THAT STUFF? THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, THIS, THIS, THIS IS, UH, BY PER STATUTE WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
OUR JOB IS TO GET, UH, LAND BACK INTO PRIVATE HANDS WITH RESTRICTIONS.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO TO, TO DO TONIGHT.
UH, I, COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND.
OH, UH, MR. PARHAM WAS BEATING ME TO THE POINT, SO NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF IRONIC THAT YOU, YOU TELL ME WHO THIS COMPANY IS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
I WAS ON ONE OF HIS DEVELOPMENTS AND DIDN'T KNOW IT.
IT'S, IT'S, THE GENTLEMAN DOES SOME GREAT WORK AND HOUSING.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS THE SAME GUY.
I CAN'T GET EITHER EXCITED AS YOU ARE, BUT I AM, MAN, I, I, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.
IF HE'S, IF HE'S BUYING THIS TO DO IT AND IF IT'S ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS OF THE HOMES HE BUILDS, THIS IS, THIS SHOULD BE VERY NICE.
YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS, I, I ECHO WHAT IT JUST SAID.
IF YOU WANT TO SAY HIGH CLASS.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, IN MY OPINION, I THINK WE AT LEAST NEED TO PUT BE BID DOLLAR JAN VERSUS JUST TAKING ONE.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TAKING.
BUT, BUT IF NOBODY ELSE BIDS, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN TO SEVERAL BIDS.
TWO PEOPLE BID, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THREE MM-HMM.
SO THE BIDS ARE RESCINDED UNTIL YOU GET PRE BID AFTER THE SECOND TIME AROUND.
YOU HAVE A CHOICE OF TAKING THE BEST OF THE TWO IF THREE IN BED, BUT ONE, YOU NEED SOME, SOME KIND OF COMPETITION THERE, IN MY OPINION, WHICH FOUND THAT MUCH.
AND I DO BELIEVE WE ARE IN A POSITION THAT WE ARE NOT REQUIRED AS A PUBLIC BODY.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THREE BIDS TO OPEN.
BUT I'M, I DEFINITELY GET THAT.
UM, AND I HOPE I'M GONNA GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND 'CAUSE HE GAVE UP THE FLOOR A MINUTE AGO.
UH, TWO POINTS, JUST TO CONFIRM.
I WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT HERE LAST MEETING, SO, BUT I WATCHED THAT VIDEO A COUPLE TIMES.
I WANNA MAKE CLEAR A COUPLE THINGS.
SO THERE'S A THIRD OPTION ON THE TABLE IS JUST TAKE NO ACTION RIGHT NOW AND WAIT TILL NEXT MONTH, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THAT'S THE LEGAL GUIDANCE THAT WE GOT CORRECT LAST TIME.
SO IT'S NOT A ALL OR NOTHING RIGHT NOW IF THE BOARD WANTS TO TAKE THE TIME.
AND I DO APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK MR. PAR OF, OF THAT WORK.
AND, UH, MR. HUFF, AS YOU SAID, UH, RECOMMENDATION MR. MERRILL'S PRETTY STRONG IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.
I, I RESPECT BOTH OF THAT, BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE SOMETI, I WOULD APPRECIATE MYSELF TIME TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF MORE, MORE HOMEWORK, IF YOU WILL.
UM, SECONDLY, AND I THINK THIS WAS ALSO EVIDENT IN THE, UM, THE PACKET CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.
IN REVIEWING THAT VIDEO, IT FELT LIKE THE GUIDANCE THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE BOARD WAS THAT 75% NUMBER WAS GONNA BE 20,000.
I THINK 22,000 WAS ACTUALLY QUOTED AS THE NUMBER THAT WAS THERE.
SO WHENEVER I SAW THE NUMBER GO DOWN TO 13 AND SOME CHANGE, OBVIOUSLY IT CAME IN ABOVE THAT, BUT I FELT LIKE THE, THE BOARD WAS GENERALLY LED TO BELIEVE THAT NUMBER WAS GONNA BE 20.
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SO, SO THE, I I I, I REVIEWED, UH, THE VIDEO AFTER, UH, AT THE BEHEST OF, UH, OF OUR CHAIR.AND, UH, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MANUSCRIPT, WHAT THE ACTUAL MOTION WAS, WAS THE MOTION WAS 75% OF THE TAX ASSESSED VALUE.
AND WHAT THAT WAS BASED ON WAS A PROJECT TEAM CONVERSATION, WHICH YOU WERE A PART OF, WHEREIN WE HAD LOOKED AT ADDITIONAL PARCELS TO ADD TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AS, AS A POTENTIAL WAY TO EXPAND, UH, TO EXPAND THE PROJECT.
AND WE ULTIMATELY DECIDED NOT TO FOLLOW THAT, UH, THAT GUIDANCE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE EXTRA, UH, THE EXTRA AMOUNT CAME FROM.
UH, BUT AFTER REVIEWING AND IN CONSULTATION WITH BOTH OUR ATTORNEY AND THE CHAIR, UH, THE MOTION WAS 75% OF THE TEXAS X VALUE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE KIND OF FORCED TO, UH, TO GO WITH JUST BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ACTION TAKEN BY THE COMMISSION.
SO, UM, IF, IF, WHICH DOES FOLLOW WHAT WE'VE SOLD BEFORE, THAT'S OUR, WHICH FOLLOWS PRECEDENT AND, AND WHAT'S OUTLINED IN OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.
UM, SO, SO BUILDING FROM THAT AGAIN, I, I'LL, I'LL ECHO I AGREE WITH THAT.
I JUST KIND OF WANNA THROW OUT THAT 20 NUMBER WAS WHAT PEOPLE HAD IN MIND, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE WAS 75%, THAT 20 NUMBER WAS WHAT WAS OUT THERE.
SO I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED TO SEE THAT COME DOWN SOMEHOW NOW.
BUT, UM, DO WE HAVE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE BEFORE I'D BE COMFORTABLE GOING FORWARD, JUST SO I KNOW WHAT OUR INVESTMENT IS, WHAT AND ACCOUNTING OF WHAT WE'VE SPENT ON THAT PROPERTY.
I KNOW THAT WE GOT FUNDS FROM THE CITY ON THE FRONT END TO DO SOME OF THE WORK ALONG WITH THE PROPERTY.
WHEN THEY GAVE IT, THERE WERE FUNDS, BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE WE'VE EXPENDED SOME OF OUR OWN FUNDS TO BUY THOSE, THOSE BACK PARCELS.
WE HAVE NOT, THAT WAS ALL, THAT WAS ALL REIMBURSED THROUGH, UH, THROUGH BOBBY, AS I HAVE NOT BOBBY, UH, THROUGH THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS, UH, APPROPRIATION, WHICH IS WHY WE DIDN'T GIVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT.
UH, WE DIDN'T GIVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT TO CAROLINA EAST FOR THE THIRD A PRO, UH, FOR THE THIRD AVENUE PROJECT.
THE INITIAL FUNDS, UH, WERE DEDUCTED.
AND SO ALL OF OUR NO GENERAL FUNDS, UH, WERE EXPENDED FROM THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.
UH, 'CAUSE I, I BELIEVE, UH, COMMISSIONER PARAGO, UH, POINTED THAT OUT.
AND SO I CONTACTED FINANCE AND THAT WAS THE GUIDANCE FINANCE GAVE ME.
I, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE DETAILS SO WE CAN JUST CONFIRM.
I, I APPRECIATE THAT GUIDANCE, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DETAIL WHERE THE AC THE FOLLOW UP ACQUISITION AND THEN THE, THE REMEDIATION TESTING THAT WAS DONE.
I'LL HOOK YOU UP WITH MS. KIM ROSE 'CAUSE YES.
YOU WON'T GET THAT FROM ME, BUT I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU TO FINANCE ALL DAY LONG.
YOU GUYS CAN, CAN CAN VOLLEY THAT BACK AND FORTH.
I'LL, YEAH, I'LL ACCOUNTING YORK OUT ALL DAY LONG WITH HER.
AND COMMISSIONER PROCTOR, SORRY TO GET BACK TO YOU, BUT THEN YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD.
AND IF I, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT BY THIS DEVELOPER.
WE ARE SELLING THE LAND TO HIM.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE CO-DEVELOPMENT STOPS.
WE SELL THE LAND, HE DEVELOPS IT.
IF HE'S UNABLE TO DEVELOP IT, AS WE HAVE PRESCRIPTION IN OUR RESTRICTIONS, THEN THE LAND REVERTS BACK TO US.
AND HE DOES NOT GET HIS MONEY BACK.
WE DO, SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS GIVING THE PERSON THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE THE LAND FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE LAID OUT AS THEIR APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT WITH RESTRICTIONS ON TIME, ENERGY, UM, EFFICIENCY.
AND WE GAVE HIM DUPLEX LAYOUTS YEP.
SO I HEARD ALSO CONCERN ABOUT MOVING FORWARD, SHOULD WE WAIT WITH THE PROJECT.
UM, THE ACTUAL, THE PERSON WHO'S THE HEAD OF THAT, UM, PROJECT GROUP IS NOT WITH US THIS EVENING.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS THIS WITH HIM.
UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE, WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR HIM.
I, I'VE SAID ALL THAT I CAN SAY.
I JUST WONDERED IF YOU HAD HEARD OR HAD NO AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH HIM.
EITHER YOU HAVE A MOTION OR GOOD NEWS.
WE CAN TABLE IT OR YOU'S NOT TRYING TO ACCEPT THE BID.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE BID AS IT IS $15,000 15,100 SALE THE PROPERTY FOR DEVELOPMENT.
WHICH BY THE WAY, WILL BE YOUR HIGHEST PERCENTAGE THAT YOU HAVE EVER MADE ON A PARCEL.
UM, AND DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE OR A ROLL CALL? VOTE FOR THIS ROLL CALL VOTE.
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ME.I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE SALE OF THE LAND TO A DEVELOPER.
AND WE WILL, I THINK, GIVE COMMISSIONER WALLACE, UH, AN EXCITING AND HAPPY PHONE CALL.
[VIII.2. Consider Adopting a Resolution to approve Initiating the Upset Bid Process for 913 Green Street (PID: 8- 006 -267) ]
ORDER OF NEW BUSINESS.WE ARE TO CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION, UM, TO APPROVE INITIATING AN UPSET BID PROCESS FOR THE NINE 13 GREEN STREET PROPERTY.
OH, I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG THING.
ALL OF THESE DETAILS WERE IN THE PACKET THAT I SENT OUT EARLIER.
MR. BARRY WAN HAS MADE A REQUEST TO PURCHASE, UH, NINE 13 GREEN STREET FOR THE REDEVELOP FROM, FROM THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.
THE PARCEL WAS CONVEYED TO THE COMMISSION IN FEBRUARY OF 2022.
IT IS RATED AS A ZONE X MINIMAL FLOOD RI RISK, AND MR. HOW WAN HAS REQUESTED TO PRE PURCHASE THIS LOT FOR $45,000, WHICH IS 75% OF THE ASSESSED, UH, OF THE TAX ASSESSED VALUE.
UH, THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO DISCUSS THE PLANS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND CONSIDER THE APPROVAL OF THIS PURCHASE FROM MR. WAN.
HE IS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
DID YOU MEAN 4,500 OR 45,000? YEAH.
DID I SAY THOUSAND? YEAH, YOU SAID 45,000.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE PACKAGE AND IT SAYS 45 SAID HE'D LIKE $45,000 NUMBER.
SO I AM, WE ARE CONSIDERING SELLING THE PROPERTY TO HIM FOR DEVELOPMENT ONCE AGAIN.
FOR THE, WE ARE CONSIDERING INITIATING THE UPSIDE UPSET BID PROCESS.
BECAUSE THAT IS HOW WE DO THINGS.
WE INITIATE THE EPISODE BID PROCESS.
THAT'S HOW WE ALWAYS SELL PROPERTY UNLESS YOU DECIDE OTHERWISE.
SO IN THIS PROCESS, I THINK WE'RE FOLLOWING OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.
UM, THIS PROPERTY WAS ON THE SURPLUS PROPERTY LIST AND THE UPSET BID PROCESS IS BEING UTILIZED FOR THOSE PROPERTIES.
AND THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED STRICTLY BY THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.
SO IT'S SUBJECT TO COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS THAT WE MAY APPLY.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY.
IS IT THE, SO I'M SEEING THE PICTURES, IS THAT WHAT'S, IS THERE CURRENTLY A IT IS AN EMPTY LOT RIGHT NOW.
I JUST SEE A MOBILE HOME THERE.
I WASN'T SURE WHAT THE PICTURE WAS OF.
THAT'S WHY, AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS PICTURE IS AN INDICATION OF PERHAPS THE USE AS WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING.
CAN SOMEBODY TAKE ME TO NINE 15 GREEN STREET PLEASE? NINE 13 I THINK HEARSAY.
IF YOU BEHIND EUBANK SAMPSON, SOMEBODY TAKE ME THERE.
IS IT IN THE SAME BLOCK AS THE CHURCH? NO.
IS IT IN THE, UH, NEXT BLOCK BY THE PARK? YES.
SO THERE'S, OKAY, I THINK IT'S THIS BLOCK.
IS THAT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE? OH, THE LOT.
RIGHT BEFORE THE DUPLEX BEHIND 10 38 S SAMSON.
BEHIND 10 30, UH, ONE S SAMSON.
YOU COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE ARE? I AM.
SO IS THIS THE PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT? WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET, UM, UH, DRAWN FLOOR PLAN AND THE LOOK OF, UH, UM, MAYBE A MODULAR BUILDING.
UH, MY, MY PLAN IS TO, UH, BUILD A SMALL HOUSE.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE MODULAR, IT WILL BE STICK-BUILT.
UH, I'M WORKING WITH A LOCAL DESIGNER TO,
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UH, THE, THE FLOOR PLANS YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, I'M WORKING TO MODIFY THAT SLIGHTLY TO FIT WITHIN THE SETBACK LIMITS WITH THE, UH, CURRENT ZONING.UH, BUT THE, THE IDEA IS TO BUILD IT, TO RENT OUT THE, I'M SORRY, THERE WAS SOME CHATTER.
WHAT WOULD THE, UM, THE PLAN IS TO BUILD, HOW MANY BEDROOMS DID YOU SAY IT? IT'S A THREE BED, TWO BATH.
AND DO YOU, UM, MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS UH, ANTICIPATED TO BE AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY? YES.
OR A RENTAL? I, I PLANNED ON RENTING IT OUT, UH, USING A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TO, UH, TARGET AND LOAD OF MODERATE INCOME PEOPLE.
WHAT ARE THE SPECS ON, ON THIS LOT? THE, THE SIZE OF THE ACTUAL LOT? IT'S 50 BY 100.
YOU GOT SETBACKS OF 15 IN THE FRONT, 10 IN THE BACK, AND FIVE ON EACH SIDE.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA AT ALL? YES SIR.
DO YOU OWN ANY OTHER PROPERTIES OVER IN THAT AREA? I OWN NINE 10 GREEN STREET AND 1612 LINCOLN STREET.
IS THAT ON THE VERY BACK STREET OR ON THE THROUGHWAY STREET? I THINK RALEIGH IS THE THROUGHWAY STREET.
LINCOLN'S THE NEXT ONE SOUTH OF IT ON THE BACK STREET? YEAH.
WAS IT 16, 16, 12 LINCOLN AND 19 GREEN STREET.
I'M ACTUALLY IN TALKS RIGHT NOW WITH THE OWNER OF, I THINK IT'S 9 0 8 GREEN STREET, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
HE OWNS THAT PROPERTY AND THEN THE, THE NEXT PROPERTY NORTH OF MINE, UH, HE'S PROPERTY'S MORE VALUE VALUABLE TO HIM.
SO I'M TRYING TO ACTUALLY SELL THAT PROPERTY TO HIM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT.
UH, COMMISSIONER PARAGO THAT WHEN WE ARE, UM, MAKING THE DECISION TO INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESS, WE USUALLY PUT RESTRICTIONS OR, UM, ON THE PROPERTY SO THAT IT IS BEING DEVELOPED WITHIN OUR, UM, WITHIN OUR PLANS FOR THE AREA.
AND, AND, AND BECAUSE OF THAT AND BECAUSE OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THAT BEEN PROVIDED TO US FOR SAMPLES OF WHAT HE'S GOING TO BUILD, I FEEL REAL UNCOMFORTABLE, UH, AT THIS PARTICULAR JUNCTURE.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE TIME TO SEE REAL PLANS THAT, THAT YOU PLAN ON BUILDING RATHER THESE SKETCHES ON THE PAD.
UH, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT 'EM WITH ME.
WELL, I, I, I KNOW YOU DID FROM EARLIER CONVERSATIONS, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT 'EM, SEE 'EM OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEING DUMPED ON US RIGHT NOW.
AND FOR THAT, FOR THAT REASON, I THINK THAT TABLING THIS, THIS ACTION UNTIL THE GENTLEMAN CAN PROVIDE ALL OF US AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT AND WE CAN LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO CRAFT WHATEVER RESTRICTIONS WE MAY WANT RATHER THAN KNEE JERK IT SITTING UP HERE TONIGHT.
WOULD WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOOK AT AHEAD OF TIME AND NOTHING TO TO WORK FROM? I AGREE WITH YOU.
AND ARE YOU MAKING A STATEMENT OR DID YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO THE EFFECT? YEAH, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS ACTION, UH, PENDING FURTHER INFORMATION BEING PROVIDED TO US AND DEAL WITH IT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO PUT THIS OFF UNTIL WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE REAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO THE DECEMBER MEETING IS WHAT I HEARD TO THE DECEMBER MEETING.
CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION? DO YOU ABSOLUTELY.
DO YOU, I WAS GONNA ASK HIM, DO YOU HAVE LIKE A SET TIMELINE IN MIND OR ANYTHING? UH, RIGHT NOW I'M
WELL, UH, RIGHT NOW I'M, I'M GOING TO BE BUILDING A TINY HOME IN THE AREA FIRST, UH, PROBABLY IN MARCH.
UH, I HOPE TO START CONSTRUCTION ON THIS ONE, PROBABLY OF FALL OF 25.
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OKAY.I JUST, I WANTED TO KNOW IF IT WAS LIKE A CRITICAL, YOU'RE READY TO GET IN THERE AND GET STARTED? I WOULD, NO, I, I'M HAVE THAT AS PART OF MY ANALYSIS, BUT OKAY.
I'M IN LAND ACQUISITION RIGHT NOW.
WHEN WILL WE BE PREPARED TO MAKE A REQUEST FOR ANY INFORMATION THAT WE WILL BE NEEDING, UM, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION? I MEAN, SUCH AS THE PLANS, WHATEVER.
SO ARE WE GONNA NEED, THEY SAID WE'RE GONNA HAVE FOR, FOR THE DECEMBER MEETING, CORRECT.
BUT WHAT ARE WE GONNA HAVE FOR THE DECEMBER MEETING OTHER THAN THE PLANS OR IS THAT ALL THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE? I THINK WE DIRECT UH, YEAH.
HE, HE'S GOT REAL PLANS RATHER THAN SKETCHES ON A PATH.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE STAFF COLLECT THEM AND DISSEMINATE IT TO US, UH, AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH THIS AT THE DECEMBER MEETING.
AND THEN I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO SEND RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON RESTRICTIONS TO THE JA UM, MADAM ATTORNEY AND I CAN, CAN DRAFT A RESOLUTION, UH, THAT YOU CAN ALL PREVIEW PRIOR TO NEXT MONTH'S MEETING SO THAT NEXT MONTH WE HAVE A WELL-CRAFTED DOCUMENT, UH, THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY CONSIDER.
SO YOU WILL BE BRINGING MORE TO THE TABLE THAN JUST THE ACTUAL PLANS AND, AND THAT HE HAS JUST, JUST THE PHYSICAL PLANS THAT HE HAS.
WE CAN ALL STAFF CAN ALSO PROVIDE, UM, A-A-G-I-S MAP OF THE AREA SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION AND ORIENTATION OF THE LOT, THE LOT DIMENSIONS, UM, PERHAPS THE ZONING MAP, WHICH WILL GIVE YOU THE ALLOWABLE USES SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND SET SETBACKS AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION ALSO, IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE IT THAT'S IN THEIR PACKET TONIGHT.
WILL IT BE ALONG WITH THE GENERAL COVENANTS THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE? THOSE WILL BE WHAT, WHAT WHAT YOU ALL RECOMMEND TO ME AND I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THEM INTO THE RESOLUTION SO THAT YOU CAN REVIEW THEM.
SO THIS IS JUST ME TELLING YOU THAT THAT'S BEEN KIND OF A HISTORICAL, YOU KNOW, PARAMETER WE'VE PUT ON IT JUST SO WHEN WE SELL PROPERTY IT DOESN'T SIT THERE AND BECOME JUST, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER EMPTY PROPERTY FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS ON END.
'CAUSE A LOT OF OUR MISSION IS TO, YOU KNOW, GET HOUSES UP THERE AND STUFF.
SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN A CONDITION, SO JUST PREPARING FOR IT.
WILL YOU HAVE ANY FLEXIBILITY WITH THAT? UM, I MEAN, I, I THINK WE CAN CONSIDER IT.
I DON'T YEAH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
WE'VE GOTTEN, YEAH, I JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME.
I, I, I WORK DOWN AT NUTRIEN IN AURORA.
I'M, I'M NOT A WEALTHY PERSON.
I'M, I'M FINANCING THIS WITH CASH AS I, AS I EARN IT.
SO IT, IT, IT'S NOT LIKE I'M SITTING ON, YOU KNOW, MILLION DOLLARS READY TO JUST GO START SPENDING MONEY.
YOU KNOW, I, I'VE GOTTA EARN THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING FOR MY DAUGHTER'S LONG TERM.
I HEARD HER MENTION, UH, YOU'RE BUILDING A TINY HOME NOW.
IS THAT GONNA BE ON ONE OF THE PARCELS YOU MENTIONED OR ARE YOU STILL IN THE PLANNING PHASE FOR THAT OR I'M, IT COULD BE.
UM, I ALSO HAVE BIDS IN ON SEVERAL OTHER PARCELS IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA.
UH, LIKELY IT'S EITHER GONNA BE ON 1513 LINCOLN OR, UH, I THINK IT'S NINE 19 ELM STREET.
I DON'T KNOW IF A CORRECT OR NOT, BUT YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BECAUSE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE THIS TILL WE RECEIVE MORE INFORMATION TO THE DECEMBER MEETING.
UM, AND CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL VOTE FOR THAT? OR DO WE NEED ONE? WE NEED A, WE NEED A VOTE.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO A VOICE VOTE ON A MOTION TO CONTINUE.
SO ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO TABLE THIS TO OUR DECEMBER MEETING.
UM, AND WE WILL RECEIVE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE THEN SO WE CAN MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT, SAY AYE.
AND WE WILL TABLE THAT UNTIL OUR DECEMBER MEETING.
[IX. Staff Report ]
SINCE WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU MUCH TONIGHT.MR. HOFF, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR THE STAFF REPORT.
WELL, AS YOU CAN TELL, THIS MONTH HAS BEEN, UH, QUITE A, QUITE A BUSY MONTH.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING IN THE REDEVELOPMENT ZONE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, UH, A LOT OF COMMUNITY GROUPS, UH, DOING, UM, WORK.
WE CONDUCTED, UM, UH, FOCUS GROUPS, UH, THIS,
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THIS PAST MONTH, UH, HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH, UH, ALL OF THE LEADERS FROM, UH, DEATH FIELD RESIDENCE COUNCIL, UM, AND, UH, PHOENIX, UH, THE PHOENIX PROJECT.UH, AND TWO OF OUR, UH, OUR PROJECT GROUPS WERE REALLY, REALLY ACTIVE THIS MONTH BEING, UM, UH, THE EUBANKS AND THE WEST A STREET PROJECT.
AND I ANTICIPATE THAT, UH, THE WEST A STREET PROJECT WILL HAVE AN UPDATE VERY, VERY SHORTLY.
SO JUST PUTTING A, UH, JUST PUTTING A, A CALL OUT THERE THAT, UH, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON TO MEET THIS MONTH.
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN ASSURED THAT ALL, UH, FIELD DATA IS COLLECTED AND ONLY OFFICE WORK REMAINS.
UH, IN ADDITION, MADAM CHAIR, UH, YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, THE GRANT ADMINISTRATOR AND SO WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR, FOR RECEIVE FOR THE COMMISSION RECEIVING GRANTS.
THERE ARE SOME LEADS, UH, THAT WE'RE TRACKING DOWN.
UH, AND SO AS SOON AS WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM FINANCE, UH, ABOUT HOW TO ESTABLISH, UH, INDEPENDENT EIN OR IF THAT'S EVEN NECESSARY, I'M SURE THAT WE'LL HAVE A GRANT UPDATE FOR YOU NEXT MONTH.
UM, I DID ATTACH, UH, THE FINANCE REPORT, UH, FOR YOU.
YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, WE CONTINUE TO PAY, UH, UTILITIES AND LAND, UH, AND LANDSCAPING, UH, COST, UM, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, TALK TO PUBLIC WORKS.
HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE OUR LAST LANDSCAPING BILL FOR THE YEAR.
SO, UM, WITH THAT SAID, THAT IS MY STAFF REPORT UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND IF YOU DO HAVE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THEM ALL AT, AT LAST MEETING, WE, UH, THINK IT GAVE YOU DIRECTION TO CONTACT THE NEW BERN HOUSING AUTHORITY TO SEE IF THEY HAD ANY INTEREST IN, UH, CO-DEVELOPING OR PARTNERING WITH THE WEST STREET PROJECTS.
UH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I DID HAVE A PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION.
UH, MR. BARNER INDICATED THAT THAT WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO BE A, UH, A HOUSING AUTHORITY BOARD CON UH, CONVERSATION FOR HIM TO HAVE AT THIS MONTH'S MEETING.
THEY HAVEN'T HAD THEIR MONTH, UH, THEY HAVEN'T HAD THEIR MEETING YET.
UM, AND SO HE INTENDS TO, TO BRING THAT UP TO, TO THEM TO, TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM.
SO I HAVEN'T HEARD, UH, ANYTHING BACK, BUT I LOOK FORWARD AND I DEFINITELY WILL REPORT AS SOON AS THEIR, THEIR BOARD REPORTS BACK.
HIS PRIMARY, HIS HIS PRIMARY, UH, REASONING FOR THAT, BY THE WAY, JUST AS ANCILLARY INFORMATION IS BECAUSE HE'S THE INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND YOU WOULDN'T WANNA MAKE ANY LONG-TERM, UM, ANY LONG TERM, UH, UH, COMMITMENTS, UH, WITHOUT CONSULTING IN THE BOARD.
YEAH, I'M NOT THE INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO MAKE LONG-TERM, UH, COMMITMENTS WITHOUT CONSULTING YOU ALL.
SO, UH, HE'LL GET BACK TO US AS SOON AS HE CAN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND ALSO, ACORN, WHAT HE'S SAYING, I THINK THAT WOULD ATTRACT, UH, MORE DEVELOPERS AS FAR THE LAW TRACKS IF WE COULD PARTNER UP WITH THEM.
SO THAT'S SOME VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION TOO.
IF YOU GET IT AS SOON AS I GET, IT'LL BE YOURS.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER ITEMS TO DISCUSS? STAFF AND I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE A NEED TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION THIS EVENING.
SO NOW I NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN.