* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] OKAY. I COULD HEAR THAT REAL WELL. CALL MEETING TO [1. OPENING OF MEETING WITH ROLL CALL] ORDER NOVEMBER. MEETING OF THE START PRESERVATION COMMISSION. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL. CERTAINLY. UH, MOLLY BALES HERE. MARK CARPENTER. YEAH. JIM MORRISON. HERE. GREGORY RUSH. HERE. TRIP ER. HERE. JAMES BISBEE. HERE. MICHAEL WIKA. HERE. TIM THOMPSON. HERE. RICHARD PARSONS HERE. WE HAVE ALL PRESENT AND THEREFORE A VERY GOOD QUORUM. SUPER. SUPER. OKAY. UH, I KNOW OF NO ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA. DOES ANYONE WE'LL DEAL WITH THE CONTINUANCE LATER ON WHEN WE GET TO THAT ITEM. UM, SO THE FIRST ORDER OF [3. PRESENTATION OF CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION] BUSINESS, WE HAVE RECOGNITION OF A COUPLE OF FOLKS WHO USED TO SIT IN THESE CHAIRS. DR. RUTH COX AND ANNETTE STONE. IF YOU HAD COME UP, WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU WHERE GO PICTURE. OKAY. UM, OF THE LONGEST NUMBER AND THAT WAS THE ADMINISTRATIVE A NUMBER YEARS AGO. 98. 2011. I REMEMBER GETTING A FIVE APPROVED PERSONALLY WAY BACK IN THAT DAY. AND DR. RUTH WAS CHAIR WHEN I CAME ON BOARD. RIGHT. AND WAS PROBABLY ALSO PARTICIPATED FOR MANY YEARS. YES. TELL US HOW MANY, NO, I HAVE TO GO BACK. THINK ABOUT THAT. ALSO. ENJOY. I JUST MAYOR. MAYOR. YES. DANNY WAS PART OF GETTING THIS STARTED. UM, HE WAS, UH, MAYOR SEVERAL TIMES. HE WAS AN ALDERMAN SEVERAL TIMES. HE WAS, UH, BURNING THE BEAR. UH, ANY TIMES. MAYOR NAME. SAY THAT AGAIN. IS THERE A FIRE TRUCK WITH THIS NAME? YES, THERE IS . OKAY, WELL LEMME GIVE YOU THESE. OKAY. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. WELCOME IS SO, WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE AND WHAT, WHAT I, AND HOW OTHER PEOPLE LEARN FROM YOU IN YOUR LEADERSHIP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. THANK YOU. SERVE ON H PC PARTICULARLY SINCE MY FATHER WAS VERY INVOLVED WITH IT IN THE BEGINNING, UH, AS HIS CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY. 'CAUSE HE WAS VERY INVOLVED IN WHAT WAS GOING ON. SO, UH, I FELT VERY PRIVILEGED TO FOLLOW IN HIS FOOTSTEPS. SO Y'ALL CARRY ON THE GOOD WORK. YEAH. WE, WE WERE GLAD TO HAVE YOU TWO . SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND Y'ALL HAVE A, A LOVELY HOLIDAY. LOVELY THANKSGIVING DURING CHRISTMAS, THEN NEW YEAR'S. PERFECT. YOU TOO. VERY MUCH. THE TABLE. YEAH. ALRIGHT, SMILE. PERFECT. THANK YOU. SO, CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY, WE HAVE NO, UH, CONSENT AGENDA. UM, FIRST ORDER OF [5.A. 2025 HPC MEETING CALENDAR] NEW BUSINESS IS THE HPC MEETING CALENDAR FOR 2025. EVERYBODY GOT A COPY? GOT A COPY. ANY COMMENTS? I, I JUST HAVE ONE THOUGHT AND THERE'S ONLY A THOUGHT SINCE WE'RE NOT MEETING IN MAY, WHICH I UNDERSTAND AND THAT'S FINE. BUT DO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WOULD BE TAKING OUT FOUR MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR? THE DECEMBER MEETING COULD SIMPLY BE A DESIGN REVIEW PERHAPS, AND THAT MIGHT LET SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROJECTS AT LEAST GET FEEDBACK BEFORE JANUARY. AND ALSO IF THEY HAVE A MINOR, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET IT APPROVED BASED UPON MATT'S REVIEW AND, AND WHAT THE PROJECT IS. SO THAT'S MY ONLY THOUGHT. 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE QUORUM. IT'S EARLY IN DECEMBER AND WE ARE GONNA MISS ALL OF MAY. MM-HMM. . BUT JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR NO MEETING IN MAY? UH, I'LL BE OUT OF THE COUNTRY FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH. YOU'LL BE OUT OF THE COUNTRY. OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD REASON. OKAY. . OKAY. OKAY. [00:05:01] UH, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON HAVING THE CHANGE WOULD BE A THEN A DESIGN REVIEW IN DECEMBER? GIVING? THAT WAS MY THOUGHT. YES. WHAT DATE? UH, SECOND WEDNESDAY. SECOND TUESDAY. THE NORMAL, THE NORMAL MONTHLY DATE. NORMAL. NORMAL DAY. THE FIRST WEDNESDAY. FIRST WEDNESDAY. THAT, YOUR HONOR, WHATEVER THAT DATE IS. BUT JIM'S GONNA TELL US. I I SEE THE LAST YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT DATE, RIGHT? YOU, YEAH. FIRST WEDNESDAY IS DECEMBER 3RD, 2025. THIRD FIRST OF, WELL, FIRST IS THIRD IS THE 3RD OF DECEMBER. OKAY. 2025. OKAY. 5:30 PM OKAY. SO THAT'S A PROPOSAL. ANY, ANYBODY HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT? I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. OKAY. WE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN THAT WE APPROVE THE CAL THE CALENDAR AS MODIFIED WITH A SHOW SHOWING A DECEMBER 3RD DESIGN REVIEW. UH, MR. SECOND IT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE AMENDED CALENDAR AS DISCUSSED. AND GREG, YOU SECONDED? YEAH. OKAY. THE MOVED AND SECONDED. WE APPROVE THE CALENDAR AS AMENDED. ALL IN FAVOR? STATE AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING [6.A. HEARINGS: INTRODUCTION, SWEARING-IN, SUMMARY OF PROCESS 1. Introduction of Hearings and Rules of Procedure 2. Swearing-In of Speakers 3. Summary of the Hearing Process] TO MOVE INTO OUR, UH, BASIC AGENDA. UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY A CITY OF NEW BERN'S BOARD OF ALDERMAN. IT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC GUIDELINES. TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HPC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING, AND THE PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT. HPC HOLDS QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS OF THIS IS ONE ON APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE COMMISSION HEARS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICATION BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION. THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES. AND LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONERS WILL, UH, SHALL, UH, REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINIONS, LIKES AND DISLIKES OR HEARSAY DURING THE MEETING. WE BASE OUR DECISION SOLELY ON THE APPLICATION. UH, ARE, ARE THERE ANY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE GOING TO PRE BE SPEAKING AND PRESENTING TONIGHT? AND IF SO, WE'LL NEED TO STEP FORWARD FOR SWEARING IN. YEAH. OKAY. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PLEASE. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH HELP YOU GOD? YES, I DO. I DO. IS THE RIGHT ANSWER. I DO, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOUR NAME HERE, PRINT YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE. WHILE THEY'RE SIGNING IN, THE PROCEDURE WILL FILE, THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THAT. PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE. REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT OR BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE. OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THEIR RELEVANT INFORMATION WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED, CAN PREVENT EVIDENCE. HPC ADMINISTRATOR PRESENTS THE STAFF'S FINDING AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THE APPLICANT AND REPRESENTATIVE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS. THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS WILL DISCUSS AND ASK FOR ANY CLARIFICATION, AND I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION AND WE'LL ON IT. OKAY, WE'RE READY [6.B. 218 POLLOCK ST. – to include a 1.5-story rear addition in the Tertiary AVC.] FOR TWO 18 P*****K STREET. ALRIGHT, UM, JUMPING RIGHT IN. THIS IS THE APPLICATION HERE, TWO 18 P*****K STREET FOR, UH, CAMILLE AND JOSEPH CLOTS. UH, AND, UH, THE PROJECT IS TO CONSTRUCT A STORY AND A HALF LIVING SPACE ATTACHED TO THE MAIN HOUSE BY A COVERED WALKWAY. UM, THE ADDITION WILL BE RAISED SEVEN FEET, FIRST FLOOR MATCHING THE HEIGHT OF THE MAIN BUILDING, FIRST FLOOR. UH, IT'LL BE WOOD SIDED WITH SHINGLE AND, UH, A SHINGLE ROOF WALKWAY WITH A METAL ROOF. SO, AND THIS APPLICATION IS SIGNED AND DATED AND, UH, [00:10:01] MR. GARY ALLEN IS ALSO THEIR AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE, BUT THE OWNER IS HERE. UM, THIS IS, UM, THE AERIAL OF THE, UH, PROPERTY. AND YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, FRONT HALF, UH, CLOSE TO P*****K STREET IS OCCUPIED ALMOST ENTIRELY BY THE HOUSE, THE MAIN HOUSE ITSELF. SO THE ADDITION IS, AND THEN BEHIND THE HOUSE IS A LARGE TREE. UH, MAYBE YOU CAN SEE THAT MAYBE YOU CAN'T. AND THEN THERE'S A BIT OF A CLEARING BEHIND THAT. THE ADDITION IS BASICALLY GOING IN THAT CLEARING. UH, AND THIS IS AN ENLARGEMENT OF THAT. AND SO THERE YOU CAN SEE THE TREE AND THE CLEARING MORE CLEARLY. UH, WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT IF YOU WANT TO REFERENCE ANY OF THAT. OOPS, I DUNNO WHY I PUT THAT. OKAY, HERE WE GO. UH, THIS IS AN EMAIL, UH, REGARDING THE, UH, FLOODPLAIN REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT. THE BLUE AREA WITH THE YELLOW MARKER IS APPROXIMATELY WHERE THE ADDITION WILL WILL BE. AND THE BLUE AREA REPRESENTS THE FLOODPLAIN. AND SO IT IS SUBJECT TO THE, UM, TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE. UM, I BELIEVE, UM, HOWEVER, UH, THAT, UM, MAY BE, I'M SORRY, UH, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I READ THIS. UM, BUT I BELIEVE THE THE AMOUNT OF COST FOR THIS IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO ACTUALLY TRIGGER THAT. MM-HMM. . SO THANK YOU . UH, AND SO THEY'VE ALSO LISTED HERE ON A SEPARATE PAGE THE APPLICABLE GUIDELINES IN THEIR OPINION. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A WHOLE SERIES OF PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE CONTEXT FOR, FOR THE PROJECT, PARTICULARLY THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THE CONDITIONS WHERE THE ADDITION WILL BE LOCATED. SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THE ADDITION'S ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BACK. THIS IS NOW THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AS WE'RE APPROACHING THE BACK. THIS IS THE BACKYARD AREA, AND THIS IS THE TREE THAT WAS SHOWN IN THE AERIAL. AND THE TREE IS TO BE PRESERVED, UH, AND THE, UM, WALKWAY WOULD PASS BESIDE THE TRUNK, UH, AT ABOUT THE FLOOR LEVEL HEIGHT HERE THAT YOU CAN SEE AT THE LANDING ON THE STEPS ON THE LEFT. UH, THIS WILL BECOME MORE OBVIOUS IN A MINUTE. AND SO ANOTHER VIEW OF THE BACK SIDE OF THE HOUSE, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, VIEW OF THE BACK STAIRWAY AND A GLIMPSE OF THE BACK PORCH THERE. ALSO, ALL THIS WILL BECOME MORE OBVIOUS AND A FEW IN A MINUTE. SO THERE WE HAVE A STRAIGHT ONTO THE BACK PORCH IN CASE WE HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THE DETAILS OF THE CONNECTION TO THE HOUSE. UH, THIS IS THE REST OF THE YARD AREA, UM, BETWEEN THE TREE AND THE ADDITION. SO, UM, THIS IS JUST THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE, OF THE HOUSE ITSELF. UM, NOT REALLY, UH, SO RELEVANT IN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. THEN, UH, THIS IS AN IMAGE SHOWING A BLUE TAG ON THIS TREE, UM, PLACED BY THE SURVEYOR TO INDICATE 10.5 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL, UM, WHICH IS RELEVANT WITH REGARD TO THE FLOODPLAIN ISSUES. AND, UM, WE CAN SEE THAT THE EXISTING FLOORS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THAT ALREADY. UM, UH, SO NOW HERE WE HAVE, UH, BASICALLY A FLOOR PLAN OF THE FIRST FLOOR FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE ORIGINAL, UM, HISTORIC STRUCTURE WITH P*****K STREET OFF THE SCREEN ON THE RIGHT. AND THEN WE CAN SEE THE ADDITION ON THE LEFT, UH, AND THEN THE WALKWAY CONNECTING THE TWO. UM, AND THE TREE IS THIS, UH, STARBURST PIECE DOWN HERE. UH, THE EXISTING STAIRWAY WILL BE ALTERED IN ORDER TO CREATE THIS, UH, 45 DEGREE TURN. UH, AND THE OTHER TWO THINGS TO NOTE IS THE EXISTING, UH, UM, FISH POND IS NOT TO BE, UH, DISTURBED BY THE CONSTRUCTION. UH, AND THE CONNECTION, UH, TO THE EXISTING BUILDING IS AT THE, UM, CORNER WHERE [00:15:01] THE PIZZA ROOM ADDITION PIZZA KITCHEN ADDITION ATTACHES TO THE EX TO THE, UH, HISTORIC BUILDING. AND THEN ON THE OTHER END, IT ATTACHES, UH, ADJACENT TO THE FRONT DOOR. UH, AND WE'LL SEE THAT ALL IN PLAN VIEW, UH, IN A MINUTE AS WELL. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THE FOUNDATION OR THE GROUND LEVEL PLAN. THERE WILL BE THESE 12, UH, PIERS AND COLUMNS. UH, AND, UM, THEN IT DOES SHOW THE, ALL THE VARIOUS STAIRWAYS COMING DOWN TO GROUND LEVEL ON THE LEFT HERE AT THE TOP. AND THEN THE NEXT PAGE, THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN OF THE ADDITION. I'M GONNA MAKE A LITTLE SMALLER, SO WE GET THE WHOLE THING ON THERE. AND THIS, THIS DRAWING DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING, BUT THIS IS THE END OF THE ROOF, UH, ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THE WALKWAY. UM, TO NOTE HERE, SINCE THE LAST MEETING AT THE DESIGN REVIEW, UH, THE WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR ON THE WEST SIDE HAVE BEEN REMOVED. UH, SO JUST NO WINDOWS THERE. UH, AND I THINK THAT'S IT ON THE FIRST LEVEL. AND THEN THIS IS THE SECOND LEVEL. UH, THE WINDOWS THERE HAVE REMAINED UNCHANGED, AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE NO OTHER CHANGES HERE ON THE SECOND LEVEL. IF, IF I MISSPEAK ON ANY OF THESE DETAILS, PLEASE SPEAK UP. UM, OKAY. SO WE'LL START THEN WITH THAT WEST ELEVATION, UM, WHICH IS THE ONE, UH, ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST. UH, AND SO WE SEE FOR THE ADDITION THOSE, UH, THE FIRST FLOOR HAS NO WINDOWS, AND THE SECOND FLOOR HAS THOSE SYMMETRICALLY AROUND THE, THE PEAK. UH, WE SEE ALSO THE BRICK, UH, PIERS HERE AT THE BOTTOM. THOSE ARE, AS WE SAW IN THE PLANNED VIEW, THOSE ARE CONCRETE BLOCK THAT'S BEEN, UH, WITH THE BRICK FULL BRICK, UH, SURROUNDS ON THESE. UH, AND THEN THERE THE WHITE SPACE BETWEEN THERE IS OPEN, JUST TO BE CLEAR. SO THEN THE WALKWAY ITSELF, UM, IS SHOWN HERE. UH, AND THE GRAY CROSSHATCHING IS TO REPRESENT SCREENS SCREEN. AND THEN WE HAVE THE POSTS ON THE OUTSIDE. THE HANDRAIL LOOKS LIKE IT'S SHOWN TO BE ON THE INSIDE. AND THE ROOFING IS THE METAL ROOF THAT WAS MENTIONED. UM, AND LET'S SEE. OH, OH, UH, AND THEN, UH, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THIS IS THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDING WITH THE EXISTING ROOFING THERE. OKAY, SO NEXT SHEET. UH, NOW THIS IS THE VERY BACK OF THE WHOLE PROJECT. UM, SO THE ADDITION, UH, WITH, UH, THE ROOF SLOPING TOWARDS US AND ONE WINDOW ON THE LEFT, THE, UH, MINI SPLIT UNIT IS ATTACHED TO THE MIDDLE OF THE WALL. ON THAT SIDE, WE HAVE OUR EX REAR EN EXIT DOOR AND THE LANDING AND STAIRWAY BACK HERE. AND THEN OF COURSE, ALL THE SIDING IS THE SEVEN INCH PINE LAP SIDING. UH, ALL OF THE TRIM BOARDS ARE ALL WOOD, UH, AND THE ROOFING FOR THE ADDITION ITSELF IS ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES. THE SLOPE IS 10 AND 12. UM, LET'S SEE. SO NOW CONTINUING AROUND TO THE EAST SIDE. UM, THE ADDITION IS ON THE RIGHT AND THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS ON THE LEFT. SO, UM, HERE WE SEE, UM, THE, UH, STAIRWAY AT THE ENTRANCE, UH, ONE WINDOW, UH, ON THE FIRST LEVEL AND TWO ON THE SECOND LEVEL. UH, AND THE SAME DETAILS REGARDING THE WALKWAY ON THIS SIDE, AS ON THE OTHER. UM, LET'S SEE. IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR THAT AT THE MOMENT. THEN THE, UM, SOUTH FACING, UH, FACADE OF THE ADDITION WITH THE ENTIRE WALKWAY REMOVED FROM THIS DRAWING. SO THE, UH, ENTRANCE DOOR IS HERE ON THE RIGHT AND THE TWO WINDOWS FOR THE, UH, LIVING [00:20:01] SPACE THERE. UH, THEN, UM, THE OTHER DETAILS ARE ALL THE SAME. UH, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, WE CAN COME BACK AND REFER TO THESE AS WELL. IT MAY BECOME MORE APPARENT AS WE SEE MORE INFORMATION. UM, THEN WE HAVE SOME, UM, UH, CONSTRUCTION SECTIONS HERE, UH, WHERE YOU SEE THE CONCRETE BLOCK AND THE, UH, FULL BRICK, UM, SUR SURROUNDS ON THAT. UM, FOUNDATION FOOTINGS. AND THEN A TYPICAL WALL SECTION DETAIL, UH, WITH THE FLOOR TRUSSES AND THE ROOF TRUSSES. AND, BUT PRIMARILY WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT IS THE LAP SIDING. UH, AND THE OTHER DETAILS HERE AROUND THE, THE, UH, EDGE OF THE ROOF. SO THEY'VE PROVIDED A LOT OF, UH, RENDERINGS TO HELP EXPLAIN THIS, UH, MORE CLEARLY. SO WE'RE GONNA WALK AROUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT STARTING FROM THIS SIDE HERE, UM, WHICH IS THE EXISTING HOUSE ON THE LEFT, THE, THE PIZZA KITCHEN HERE ON THE LEFT, AND THEN THE ADDITION ON THE RIGHT. SO, UM, UH, THE WALKWAY CONNECTS THE TWO AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A SMALL LANDING AT THE ADDITION SIDE AND THE ENTRANCE DOOR ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT LANDING. AND THEN THERE'S STAIRS THAT GO DOWN FROM THERE. UM, THERE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE HANDRAILS THAT JUST AREN'T SHOWN THERE. UH, OH. I ENDED UP MIXING BOTH PREVIOUS, UH, RENDERINGS THAT WERE STILL RELEVANT ALONG WITH THE NEWEST RENDERINGS THAT WERE PROVIDED YESTERDAY. SO, UH, HERE'S A CLOSEUP VIEW OF THE CONNECTION OF THE WALKWAY TO THE, UH, HOUSE. UH, WE CAN SEE IT, IT ESSENTIALLY PAST, PAST THE SIDE OF THE PIZZA ROOM, PIZZA, KITCHEN, UH, AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM YOU CAN SEE HOW THE STAIRWAY, UH, WAS MODIFIED TO COME AT AN ANGLE OR IS TO BE MODIFIED. UM, HERE AGAIN, SAME THING, JUST A DIFFERENT, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ANGLE IN CASE THERE WAS SOME DETAIL WE COULDN'T CATCH ON THE OTHER ANGLE. THEN AS WE CONTINUE, SAY BACK UP FROM THAT VIEW, THE EXISTING HOUSE IN THE BACKGROUND AND THE ADDITION HERE IN THE FOREGROUND. AND HERE WE SEE THE ONE WINDOW, UH, UH, NEXT TO THE ENTRANCE DOORWAY ON THE FIRST LEVEL. AND ALSO ON THE BACK SIDE WE SEE THE ONE WINDOW AND THE, UM, MINI SPLIT UNIT AND THE, UM, REAR UH, DECK OR LANDING AND STAIRWAY AND THE FLOODLIGHT. WHAT'S THAT? AND A FLOOD LIGHT ON THAT SIDE. OH, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. OKAY. THANK YOU. . AND THE FLOOD LIGHT ON THE CORNER. ALRIGHT. OH YEAH, NOW I SEE IT. OKAY. SO, UM, YEAH, FLOOD LIGHT IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER. SO THIS IS THE BACKSIDE, UH, SAME THING, JUST DIFFERENT ANGLE. WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, SEE THE, UM, UH, REAR OF THE LIGHT AT THE REAR DOOR. ALRIGHT, NEXT ONE. CONTINUING AROUND THE BUILDING. THIS IS NOW THE WEST ELEVATION. NO WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, TWO ON THE SECOND. UH, AND THEN OFF TO THE RIGHT, YOU CAN BEGIN TO SEE THE WALKWAY ATTACHING TO THE EXISTING HOUSE AGAIN, UH, A LITTLE CLOSER UP VIEW. UM, THIS IS ONE WHERE YOU, UH, DO SEE HOW THE WALKWAY, UH, IS HIGHER THAN THE, UH, THE FLOOR LEVEL OF THE DECK, UH, OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, UM, OR PORCH. AND SO THERE IS, UH, ONE OR TWO STEPS THAT LEAD DOWN TO THAT, UH, OR UP TO THE WALKWAY DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU'RE GOING. NOW, UH, ACTUALLY ONE QUESTION I DID HAVE FOR THE APPLICANT AS I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, AND, UH, THIS SHOWS, UM, THE TWO EXISTING POSTS THAT ARE AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS NOW, UH, BUT THERE'S, UH, ONE BEAM THAT GOES, CURRENTLY GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS, UM, TO THE, UH, PIZZA KITCHEN WALL, SAY, UH, NEXT TO THE DOOR OR BETWEEN THE DOOR AND THE WINDOW HERE. UH, AND NOW WE HAVE A POST OF COURSE, AT THE CORNER, UH, BUT MAINLY, UH, AND I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GONNA CUT OFF THE, THE BEAM AND ATTACH IT TO THIS POST, BUT THERE IS AN EXISTING POST THAT IS APPROXIMATELY HALFWAY BETWEEN THESE LAST TWO POSTS. UM, SO YOU'LL BE TAKING THAT OUT APPARENTLY AND PUTTING IN A NEW ONE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IT'S, UH, EQUALLY SPACED BETWEEN THESE, UH, [00:25:01] OTHER TWO, BETWEEN THESE OTHER TWO POSTS. WELL, I, WE'LL SEE THAT IF WE WANT, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. WE, IF WE CARE, UH, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT IN THE PLAN VIEW. UM, IT DOES SHOW UP THERE. UM, LET'S SEE. OOPS, SORRY, THIS ONE AGAIN. UH, SO YOU GET A, MAYBE A BETTER VIEW OF WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE AT THIS END OF THE WALKWAY OR SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE WALKWAY. I MEAN, THE RENDERING HAS ITS LIMITATIONS IN THAT IT'S SHOWING THE RAILING OUTSIDE THE POST HERE AND IN THROUGH THE POST THERE, OR ATTACHED TO THE POST. SO, UH, AND SO NOW THAT'S A VIEW LOOKING BACK AT THE, UM, SORRY, AT THE ADDITION, UM, WITH TWO WINDOWS TO THE LIVING SPACE, UH, AND THEN COMING DOWN TO A LANDING AND THEN OVER TO THE DOOR. AND THEN WE HAVE RAILING ON THOSE STEPS. SO LAST FEW ARE VIEWS FROM ABOVE, UH, TO HELP EXPLAIN HOW THE ROOF IS WORKING AS IT'S CONNECTING TO THE ADDITION IN THIS CASE. AND THEN IT DOES A 90 DEGREE OVER TO COVER THE, UH, ENTRANCEWAY. THEN FROM THE ADDITION, LOOKING BACK TO THE, UM, EXISTING HOUSE, HOW IT CONNECTS TO THE EXISTING PORCH ROOF. UH, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS BLACK RECTANGULAR AREA HERE IN THE CLOSEUP, I BELIEVE. YES. SO THAT YOU SEE THAT, UM, UH, THERE WILL BE ADDED THIS EXTRA PIECE HERE SO THAT THE, THERE'S AN EXTRA VALLEY, TWO VALLEYS CREATED HERE INSTEAD OF, UM, UH, HAVING WATER LANDING OFF OF EACH OF THESE TWO ROOFS AGAINST EACH OTHER AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH CAN CAUSE LEAKS. ALRIGHT, SO AFTER THAT WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW WHERE THE, UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS SAID A ZONING PERMIT IS REQUIRED. AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS INDICATED THAT BUILDING AND FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMITS ARE REQUIRED. SO, UH, THAT MAY MEAN, UH, THAT HE JUST NEEDS THE DOCUMENTS TO PROVE THAT HE DOESN'T NEED THAT IT DOESN'T, UM, THAT THE REQUIREMENTS DON'T APPLY. SO, UH, THAT'S IT. THEN WE HAVE, WE'RE READY WITH OUR, UM, STAFF REPORT. OKAY. THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE WANNA MAKE ANY COMMENTS? WELL, I HEARD AS A COMMENT, BUT AT THE MOMENT, UH, THERE'S NOTHING, NEW COMMENT. MATTHEW COVERED EVERYTHING. YEAH, A LITTLE LOUDER. JOE. CAN, MATTHEW COVERED EVERYTHING, SO NO COMMENT FROM US AT THIS POINT. WE'LL ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. WELL, WE GOT SOME OTHER STEPS TO GO THROUGH. ARE THERE ANY PROPONENTS OR OPPONENTS PRESENT WHO WANT TO SPEAK TO THE PROJECT? HEARING NONE. ANYONE ELSE BESIDES THOSE NOTIFIED? WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS, NOT SEEING ANY, UH, READY FOR YOUR FINDINGS? OKAY. SO, UH, THIS IS THE PROJECT FOR CAMILLE AND JOSEPH CLOTS, UH, FOR THE PROJECT AT TWO 18 P*****K STREET. THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE RUDOLPH RIDGE HOUSE FROM CIRCA 1896 TO 1898. UH, AND IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UH, IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER. INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003 DESCRIBES THE EXISTING BUILDING AS TWO AND A HALF STORIES WITH A CROSS PLAN CENTRAL FRONT BAY WINDOW AND UPPER STORY PORCH, CROWNED BY PEDIMENT OR THE WRAPAROUND PORCH, UH, ANGULAR PROJECTING SIDE BAYS, PEDIMENT ROOFS, AND AN INTERIOR CHIMNEY. BECK'S DESCRIPTION FROM 1988, UH, AN EXCERPT SAYS THAT IT COMBINES THE QUEEN ANNE AND COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLES IN A HIGHLY ARTICULATED MANNER. AND THE BUILT THE HOUSE CAN BE ATTRIBUTED, THE DESIGN CAN BE ATTRIBUTED SAFELY TO HERBERT WOODLEY SIMPSON ON THE BASIS OF ITS EXTENSIVE STYLISTIC SIMILARITIES TO OTHER DOCUMENTED SIMPSON HOUSES. UH, RUDOLPH ISH WORKED DURING THE 1880S AND 1890S AS A CLERK AT HIS FATHER'S GROCERY AND GENERAL MERCHANDISE STORE ON BOAT. SO, UM, I HAVE A PRETTY NICE HOUSE BY A VERY GOOD ARCHITECT FOR A, A CLERK AT A GROCERY STORE. YEAH, , I THINK HE MAY HAVE HAD AN IN WITH THE OWNER THOUGH. SO, UH, TWO 18 P*****K STREET. THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A 1.5 STORY REAR EDITION IN THE TERTIARY A, B, C. AND STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING, HISTORIC [00:30:01] DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, AKA GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES 2.3, 0.1, TWO AND SIX FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO AND FOUR FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR ADDITIONS. 3.3 0.1, TWO, AND THREE FOR FOUNDATIONS. 4.3 FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.4 FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS. 4.3 0.2 AND THREE FOR ENTRANCES, 4.44 AND FIVE FOR ROOFS 4, 5, 1, AND FOUR FOR MASONRY. 5.23 AND FIVE FOR WOOD. 5.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR PAINT. 5.4 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR. STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. TWO, THE PROJECT IS IN ADDITION TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE TERTIARY A, B, C3 OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS. FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY. AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES. SO THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. UH, REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION. AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR STAFF REPORT. OKAY. ANY OTHER OTHER COMMENTS YOU GUYS? NO, UH, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FROM PERMISSION, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING TO DESIGN REVIEW SO OFTEN. SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND I NOTICE, UH, THANKS FOR THE DESIGN, UH, CLARIFICATION ON THE DOORS WHERE THE LIGHTING IS, AND I THINK THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, WOOD SIDING, ASPHALT ROOF ON THAT, THE STRUCTURE METAL ROOF ON THE WALKWAY, IT'S OBVIOUSLY AN ADDITION, WHICH IS GOOD, UM, TO CLARIFY VERSUS AN EXTENSION, IT RETAINS THE ROOF PITCH AND DETAILING FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, UH, THERE'S SIMPLIFIED EMBELLISHMENTS AND SCALE COMPARED TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO TO ME, IT REALLY, IT DOES MATCH THE GUIDELINES AND I THINK EVERYBODY HELPED WORK ON THAT. SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR ACCOMMODATING. I, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION, QUESTION THOUGH. UM, IN THAT WHEN MATT WAS DESCRIBING IT, IT TALKED ABOUT SCREENS ON THAT WALKWAY BETWEEN THE TWO. IS, IS THAT INDEED THE CASE? YEAH, THERE WILL BE SCREENS ON THE WALKWAY. UH, THAT WAS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAID THAT THAT NEEDED TO BE. UM, SO IS, IS THERE SCREENS ALSO ON THE PORCHES FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THE BACK STRUCTURE? SO IS THERE A SCREEN DOOR LIKE TO GET UNDER THE WALKWAY? I MEAN, WE WILL BE ADDING A SCREEN TO THE EXISTING PORCH THAT IT ATTACHES TO, SO THE SCREEN WILL GO. SO, SO THAT WHOLE BACK PORCH AS WELL AS THE WALKAWAY BE SCREEN YES. AND THE NEW PORCH FOR THE, UM, FOR THE NEW NEWEST NEW STRUCTURE. YEP. OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? NO, I, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT QUITE A BIT. DESIGN REVIEW AND, UH, WE, WE THANK YOU FOR, UH, LISTENING AND PARTICIPATING AND MAKING MODIFICATIONS, UH, THAT ARE BENEFICIAL TO, UH, BOTH US AND YOU. JUST AS A, A MENTION, WE'LL BE COMING BACK FOR AN AMENDMENT FOR THE LANDSCAPING PLAN. OKAY, GOOD. OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR TWO 18 P*****K STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BERN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTION 15 4 11 TO 15,429 AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING. SPECIFIC FIND GUIDELINES, STANDARDS AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UTILITIES 2.3, 0.1, TWO AND SIX, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, TWO AND FOUR, MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 AND TWO ADDITIONS, 3.2 AND THREE FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.3, WALL TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.4 WINDOWS, TRIM DOORS AND TRIM OPENING, EXCUSE ME, 4.3 0.2 AND THREE ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.4 AND FIVE. ROOFS 4.5 AND FOUR. MASONRY, 5.23 AND FIVE WOOD, 5.2 0.1 AND TWO, PAINT. 5.4, 0.1, TWO AND THREE [00:35:01] AND FOUR. AND STATEMENTS OF REASON. AND THE STRUCTURE IS A STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. THE PROJECT IS IN ADDITION TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, AND IT'S IN THE TERTIARY A VC AND PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS GUIDELINES. THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAD REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY. AND THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES. AND MAY I ASK IF YOU ACTUALLY MEANT NOT STATEMENTS OF REASON, BUT FINDINGS OF FACT. I'M SORRY. THOSE WERE FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, BEFORE I RECITED, WHICH IS STRUCTURED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCK RESOURCE. THE PROJECT IS IN ADDITION, THE PROPERTY PROPOSED DESIGN MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, EXCUSE ME, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED AND THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES. OKAY, THANK YOU. SECOND FOR THE MOTION. SECOND. SECOND MOVE. SECONDED. UH, WE APPROVE THE, THE, UH, COA FOR THIS PROJECT. ALL IN FAVOR STATE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? PROJECT IS APPROVED. UH, MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA. SO MOVED. SECOND. AND SECOND, WE ISSUE THE COA. ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? COA WILL BE ISSUED. I WANT TO THANK YOU TOO. IT'S BEEN REALLY ONE OF THE BEST PROJECTS I REMEMBER FOR GIVE AND TAKE AND, UM, I, WHICH I THINK REALLY IMPROVED THE PROJECT. AND, UH, WE ALL SHOULD FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT. I AGREE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND JOE, WE, WE ALSO WOULD, UH, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO HBC IN THE PAST AND, AND YOU'LL GET YOUR CERTIFICATE AT GOOD TIME. . HE, HE ALREADY GOT ONE. YES, HE GOT ONE READY? YES. OH, YES. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, TWO 18 P*****K. [6.C. 212 S. FRONT ST. – to include a replacement stairway in the Primary AVC, plus removal of a rear stairway and addition of a chair lift and a new 2-story exterior stairway in the Secondary AVC.] LET'S SEE. MR. CHAIRMAN. OH, I'M SORRY. THAT WAS TWO 12. AND, UH, AS YOU, UH, KEY THIS ONE UP, UM, I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. MBF ARCHITECTS. MY FIRM IS PROVIDING SERVICES FOR THE APPLICANT AND I ASK TO BE EXCUSED. MOTION TO APPROVE MR. I MOVE. COMMISSIONER . THAT BE EXCUSED. SECOND. THAT MOTION. SECOND MOVE. AND SECONDED. WE EXCUSE MR. DIOR FOR THIS PRESENTATION. MOTION TRIP. UM, MR. CHAIR, YOU NEED TO CALL FOR A VOTE ON THAT MOTION. UH, I ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? HEARING. OKAY. I'M SORRY. GOOD CATCH. YEAH, . ALRIGHT, UH, IF WE'RE READY, I CAN, UH, START, UH, BEING THE APPLICATION HERE FOR TWO 12 SOUTH FRONT STREET. UH, THE OWNER IS CHARLES BENSON AND THE, UH, APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS MBF ARCHITECTS, PA UH, FOR THIS, THE DESCRIPTION IS TO REMOVE AND REPLACE MASONRY STEPS IN THE PRIMARY A, B, C AT A WHEELCHAIR, LIFT TWO ENTRANCES AND RECONFIGURE WOOD STEPS AND BALLASTS IN THE TERTIARY A, B, C. UH, THEY HAVE PROVIDED HERE THE, UH, VARIOUS GUIDELINES AND IN VERY LARGE LETTERS, THE, UM, MATERIALS INVOLVED , UH, AND, UH, THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE HAS SIGNED THIS, AND HERE IS THE DOCUMENT AUTHORIZING THEM TO DO SO. AND IT IS DATED, SIGNED, DATED, AND NOTARIZED. SO, UH, THIS IS THE PROPERTY, ALTHOUGH THIS TIME I FORGOT TO HIGHLIGHT IT. UM, IT IS THE ONE THAT SAYS 53.63 AS THE, UH, DIMENSION ON THE FRONT WITH THE WHITE, UH, AND BROWN ROOF. UH, AGAIN, UH, THE, UH, BUILDING IS AT THE VERY FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AND IN THIS CASE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS, UH, UNOCCUPIED. UH, THE WORK THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT WILL BE ACTUALLY OUT FRONT RIGHT AT THE, UH, RIGHT TO THE RIGHT OF THE 6.63 NUMBER. AND THEN, UH, AROUND TO THE BACK OF, UH, SIDE THIS L-SHAPED AREA, SO TO SAY, UM, FOR THE BACK PORCH. ALRIGHT, SO, AND THIS IS, UH, AN ENLARGEMENT IF YOU WANT IT. UM, THIS IS JUST REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE, UH, TO JOG YOUR MEMORY OR, UH, FOR ANY [00:40:01] STYLISTIC ISSUES. UH, AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, STAIRWAY ON THE RIGHT HERE. THESE, UM, THIS, UH, BRICK CONSTRUCTION AREA DOWN HERE, UH, BELOW TO THE LOWER RIGHT OF THE FLAG THERE. UH, AND THEN FROM THIS SIDE YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER, THIS AREA HERE. AND NOW YOU CAN SEE THAT IT ALSO HAS A, UH, PIPE HANDRAIL. I ALSO HAVE AN IDEA OF THE, UH, THE REST OF THE, THE, UM, BRICK WORK ON THE FACADE. OKAY. IT'S VERY LARGE. ALRIGHT, SO NOW ALL THE DRAWINGS ARE QUITE LARGE. I'LL HAVE TO REDUCE THIS. OKAY, THERE WE GO. UM, SO THIS PAGE IS, UH, BOTH DEMOLITION AND CONSTRUCTION. SO, AND REPRESENTS THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE EXISTING HOUSE ON THE LEFT AND SHOWN HATCHED IN THE DARK COLOR AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE, IS REMOVAL OF THOSE FRONT STEPS. AND THEN ON THE BACK, UH, PORCH AREA IS, UH, REMOVAL OF SOME PORTION OF THE, OF THE PORCH AND SOME STAIRWAYS. AND ALSO, UH, THEY WILL BE MOVING THIS, UH, UH, HVAC UNIT, WHICH YOU NOW SEE UP HERE IN THE, ON THE NEXT DRAWING ON THE RIGHT AT THE TOP HERE, THEY MOVED IT UP TO THE CORNER OF THAT, UH, PORTION OF THE HOUSE, UM, IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, NEW, UM, STAIRWAY, UH, CONSTRUCTION IN THAT SPACE. AND THEN IN THE SECTION WHERE THE PORCH HAS BEEN REMOVED, UM, THEY'LL BE INSTALLING A CHAIR LIFT. UH, SO THEY HAD TO REMOVE THE FLOOR THERE. AND THEN IN THE LOWER RIGHT HERE WE HAVE THE, UH, REPRESENTATION OF THE PLAN VIEW OF THE NEW STAIRWAY CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN FOR THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, THERE IS SOME DEMOLITION HERE REGARDING THE HANDRAIL. AND THE, THERE'S AN EXISTING STAIRWAY THAT GOES FROM THE FIRST LEVEL TO THE SECOND LEVEL. AND THEN, UH, SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE WALL AND WINDOW HERE, UH, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT HERE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDING A DOOR, UM, AND MOVING THAT WINDOW TO THE RIGHT, TO THE RIGHT, THE WINDOW THAT WAS ON, ON THE PLAN ON THE LEFT, THEY'RE MOVING IT TO THE RIGHT HERE. UH, WE'LL SEE THAT IN ELEVATION. AND YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF THE, UH, STAIRWAY COMING UP TO THE, UH, TOP PORCH. UH, THEY HAVE FILLED IN THE AREA WHERE THE, UH, PREVIOUS STAIRWAY, UH, UH, WAS, UH, NEEDED TO HAVE AN OPENING, THE STAIRWAY OPENING. AND THERE'S ALSO TWO, UH, STEPS HERE FOR LANDING FOR THIS NEW, UH, FOR THE NEW DOORWAY. ALRIGHT, SO HERE WE GO. THIS IS A DEMOLITION VIEW OF THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, THE NORTH ELEVATION. I'M GONNA MAKE THIS BIGGER HERE. OKAY. SO, UM, WE CAN SEE REMOVAL OF THE STA STAIRWAY AT THE FIRST, FROM THE GROUND LEVEL TO THE FIRST LEVEL. WE SEE REMOVAL OF THE, UM, LATTICE WORK SCREEN THAT'S ON THE BACK PORCH AT THE MOMENT. UH, AND THEN ON THE, THE SECOND LEVEL, UM, WE'LL SEE THE REMOVAL OF SOME HANDRAIL HERE. UH, WHAT YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE DASHED HERE IS REMOVAL OF THAT, UH, OTHER STAIRWAY THAT GOES FROM THE FIRST LEVEL UP TO THE SECOND LEVEL. UH, THEN WE'LL SEE THE EXISTING WINDOW WILL BE MOVED, TAKEN OUT AND MOVED TO THE LEFT HERE, UH, WHERE THIS IS DASHED IN HERE. AND THEN THERE'LL BE REMOVING SOME WALL HERE, PUT IN A NEW DOOR. AND THE, UH, THE HVAC UNIT IS JUST PEEKING OUT FROM BEHIND THE OTHER ONE THERE. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, STARTING I GUESS ON THE LEFT WE HAVE THE NEW, UH, CHAIR LIFT, UH, NOW INSTALLED TO BE INSTALLED HERE IN THIS, UH, GAP THAT THEY'VE CREATED IN THAT FIRST FLOOR PORCH. UH, THE, UH, STAIRWAY FOR THE, THAT THEY'RE ADDING, WE'LL GO FIRST TO THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE A, UH, TWO MORE FLIGHTS TO GET TO THE SECOND FLOOR WITH THE LANDING IN BETWEEN WHEN THEY GET TO THE TOP, THERE'LL BE, [00:45:01] UH, SOME NEW INFILL, UH, HANDRAIL. UH, AND THEN THE NEW DOOR IS IN THE OPENING IN THE WALL. AND THE WINDOW HERE IS SHOWN, MOVED FROM THE PREVIOUS LOCATION TO ITS, UH, PROPOSED LOCATION. UH, AND THEN LASTLY, THE HVEC UNIT IS NOW IN FRONT OF THE OTHER ONE. SO THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE BACK. UH, THEN ON THE FRONT, UH, WE'LL SEE A DEMOLITION HERE IN THE LOWER RIGHT OF THE EXISTING STAIRWAY AND PIPE RAIL. AND THEN REPLACEMENT WITH, UH, NEW MASONRY, I BELIEVE IT IS RIGHT. UH, AND THEN A NEW HANDRAIL AND NEWELL POST. SO LOOKING FROM THE EAST, WE CAN SEE BOTH PROJECTS AT ONCE. SO, UM, FROM THE DRIVEWAY, SO TO SAY, UH, REMOVAL OF THE STAIRS, REMOVAL OF ALL THOSE OTHER PIECES I MENTIONED BEFORE. AND THE NEW WILL LOOK LIKE THIS, SO A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPLANATORY, ESPECIALLY OF THAT, UH, STAIRWAY IN THE REAR, HOW IT HAS THESE TOTAL OF THREE FLIGHTS, UH, AND A LANDING. UH, AND THEN THE REST IS BETTER EXPLAINED THREE DIMENSIONALLY, WHICH WILL COME UP IN A SECOND. SO HERE ARE THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. SO THE, UM, HOUSE FROM AFAR. AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE THIS ONE EXISTING AGAIN, UH, THIS IS THE STAIRWAY TO BE REMOVED, UM, THE LANDING OR AT THE TOP, BUT SHOWING THE, UH, CONNECTION FOR THE HANDRAIL, THE PIPE HANDRAIL, ALSO SHOWING TRIPS. HEEL RIGHT THERE. FLIP FLOPS. YEAH, FLIP FLOPS. YEAH, . UH, AND THEN, UH, FROM THE, UH, END VIEW, UM, HERE WE CAN SEE SOME OF THE DAMAGE THAT IS KIND OF SOME OF THE REASON FOR THE REMOVAL. UH, IS THIS, UH, LA THIS CONCRETE LANDING HAS, HAS CRACKED AND IS APPEARS TO BE, UM, UH, SETTLING BOTH OFF TO THE LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT, PERHAPS. UM, LET'S SEE. I THINK WE HAVE SOME MORE PHOTOS OF THIS KIND, KIND STUFF. OKAY, SO NOW GOING TO THE BACK, UH, TO THE REAR, WE HAVE THE, THAT EXISTING REAR PORCH, UH, SCREENED IN WITH THE LATTICE WORK, WHICH IS TO BE REMOVED AS WELL AS THAT STAIRWAY. UH, THEN FROM THE TOP WHERE THE, UH, UH, THE SECOND FLOOR WHERE THE STAIRWAY WILL BE, UH, LANDING HERE AT, AT THIS LOCATION HERE. AND THEN THE, UH, STAIRWAY OPENING FOR THAT EXISTING STAIR FROM THE FIRST FLOOR TO THE SECOND FLOOR. AND THEN FROM THE GROUND, LOOKING AT THAT SAME LOCATION WHERE THE STAIR STAIRWAY WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AND THE, UH, SECOND FLOOR RAILING WHERE THE STAIRWAY WILL LAND UP HERE. UM, AND THE, UM, HVAC UNIT, WHICH WILL BE, WHICH WILL BE MOVED. UM, AND THIS IS THAT, UM, UH, FIRST TO SECOND FLOOR STAIRWAY FROM THE INSIDE OF THE BACK PORCH. SO, AND VERY HELPFUL ARE THESE THREE DIMENSIONAL IMAGES. AND I'M ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE THEM UP QUITE THIS ONE, ESPECIALLY QUITE A BIT BIGGER TO SEE MORE DETAIL HERE. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED NEW, UM, STAIRWAY FOR THE FRONT. UH, CAN SEE THAT THE, UH, BALLISTERS WOULD MATCH THE BALLISTERS ON THE PORCH. UH, THE NEWELL POST ALSO INCLUDES A, UH, DETAIL THAT IS SIMILAR OR IDENTICAL TO DETAILS ON THE, UH, POSTS ON THE PORCH. UM, AND OTHERWISE THE ENTIRE THING IS, UH, MASONRY. ALRIGHT, THEN THE REAR, UM, HERE WE SEE THE CHAIRLIFT ON THE LEFT AND THE NEW STAIRWAY HERE IN THE MIDDLE AND THE RELOCATED HVAC UNIT ON THE RIGHT. UM, WE CAN SEE THE NEW DOOR AT THE TOP OF THE SECOND FLOOR, THE WINDOW THAT'S BEEN SHIFTED OVER. UM, AND THE FIRST FLOOR TO SECOND FLOOR STAIRWAY IS GONE. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE IT. [00:50:01] OH, UM, SOME DETAILS SHOWING THE, UH, THE HANDRAIL. UM, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S TWO DRAWINGS ON HERE. YES, THAT WAS THE FRONT RAILING, AND THEN THE REAR RAILING IS MUCH SIMPLER, JUST TWO BY FOUR AT THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM AND A TWO BY TWO BASTER IS IT. AND THE SPACING IS FOUR AND A HALF INCHES ON CENTER. SO THAT SATISFIES OUR FOUR INCH CLEAR DIMENSION REQUIREMENT. ALRIGHT, THEN IF I CAN ZOOM IN AGAIN, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? THE, NO. OKAY. WE HAVE THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS. THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR INDICATED THAT A ZONING PERMIT'S REQUIRED AND CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT. AND THEN I'M READY WITH MY STAFF REPORT. OKAY. ARE THERE PROPONENTS OR OPPONENTS, UH, WHO HAVE GOTTEN NOTICE, UH, OF THE HEARING? YOU WANT TO PRESENT EVIDENCE SEEING NONE, UM, OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE, UH, E EVIDENCE ABOUT THE PROJECT, UH, READY FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THIS IS OUR STAFF REPORT FOR, UM, UM, PROJECT FOR CHARLES BENSON AND MBF ARCHITECTS AT 2 1 2 SOUTH FRONT STREET. UH, IT IS KNOWN AS THE HISTORIC NAME IS THE RICH WITTY HOUSE, UH, BUILT IN 1843 AND THEN REMODELED CIRCA 1895. IT'S A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ITS NATIONAL REGISTRY INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003 IS FEDERAL GREEK REVIVAL, TWO AND A HALF STORIES L PLAN PROJECTING SECTION THREE BAYS WIDE REAR SECTION TWO BAYS WIDE WRAPAROUND PORCH INTERIOR AND CHIMNEYS GABLE ROOFS WITH BRACKETED EAVES SONG BO BARGE BOARDS. SO THE SANDBAG DESCRIPTION, AGAIN, AN EXCERPT OF VICTORIAN ADDITIONS AND LIVELY SAW WORK DECORATION CONCEAL THE ORIGINAL TRANSITIONAL FEDERAL TO GREEK REVIVAL SECTION OF THE RICH WITTY HOUSE. WHO KNEW RICH'S ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS A TWO STORY WITH ATTIC STRUCTURE ON A FULL BASEMENT SITUATED WITH ITS GABLE END FACING THE STREET. IT HAD A CENTRAL CHIMNEY GIVING IT A FORM CLOSELY RESEMBLING THAT OF THE NATHAN TISDALE HOUSE DURING THE EARLY VICTORIAN PERIOD. THE HOUSE WAS ENLARGED BY THE ADDITION OF A FULL LENGTH SIDE HALL ALONG THE EAST ELEVATION WITH A CORRESPONDING BROADENING OF THE GABLE ROOF. THE TWO STORY EAST L AND THE WRAPAROUND PORCH WITH ITS SAW AND TURN VICTORIAN DECORATION WERE ADDED ABOUT 1895 DURING WIT'S OWNERSHIP. COOKING WAS DONE IN A SEPARATE KITCHEN AT THE REAR, WHICH MAY NOW BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PRESENT REAR L. SO THIS PROJECT FOR TWO 18, SORRY FOR TWO 12 SOUTH FRONT STREET, IS TO INCLUDE A REPLACEMENT STAIRWAY IN THE PRIMARY A, B, C PLUS REMOVAL OF A REAR STAIRWAY. IN ADDITION OF A CHAIRLIFT AND A NEW TWO STORY EXTERIOR STAIRWAY IN THE TERTIARY A, B, C STAFF SUBMITS THAT THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, AKA GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION ARE FOR UTILITIES 2.3, 0.1, TWO, AND SIX FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES. 3.1 FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR FOUNDATIONS. 4.3 FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.24 FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS. 4.3 0.1 AND TWO FOR ENTRANCES. 4.44 FOR MASONRY, 5.23 AND FIVE FOR ACCESSIBILITY AND LIFE SAFETY. 4.7 0.1 AND TWO FOR MASONRY. 5.1 0.23 AND FIVE FOR WOOD. 5.2 0.1, AND TWO. AND FOR PAINT, 5.4 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. THE STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. PROJECT IS STAIRWAY AND PORCH MODIFICATIONS TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ABCS. THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS. AKA GUIDELINES FOUR. THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY. AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE HPC MAY [00:55:01] WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITION. UH, REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION. AND THAT'S THE END OF OUR STAFF REPORT. OKAY. COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. HEY MATT, YOU SAID, UH, PRIMARY AND SECONDARY A VC ISN'T THIS REALLY PRIMARY AND TERTIARY? OH, NO, IT, I I IT IS SECONDARY BECAUSE, UM, THE REAR PORTION OF THE, OF THE BUILDING EXTENDS BEYOND THIS, UH, WORK. SO FOR EXAMPLE, SO, SO IT'S TO THE SIDE OF THE REARMOST STRUCTURE THAT MAKES IT SECONDARY. DOES IT STICK OUT, RIGHT? YES. ESSENTIALLY THAT , WHERE IS THAT? HERE WE GO. ONE MORE. SO, UM, THE TERTIARY AREA STARTS AT THE BACK BEYOND THE AREA, BEYOND THIS BACK WALL HERE ON THE RIGHT AS A, AND IT'S COPLANAR WITH THAT WALL. YOU GOT IT LEFT OR RIGHT? THERE WE GO. YOU OKAY, MIKE? UM, I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOW THAT. MATT, CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? MM-HMM, . SO, SO THE, THE, UH, SO YOU DRAW A PLANE ACROSS THE BACK WALL HERE ON THE RIGHT, THAT'S THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. OKAY? AND SO EVERYTHING IN BEHIND THAT IS TERTIARY AND ANYTHING IN FRONT OF THAT WOULD BE SECONDARY UNTIL YOU GET TO THE FRONT WALL, IN WHICH CASE IN FRONT OF THAT IS PRIMARY. SO IT, IT'S TERTIARY TO THE MAIN ORIGINAL, IF YOU WILL. AND THEN IT'S SECONDARY TO THE UNSEEN FROM THE ROAD PORTION NEXT TO THE ELEMENT. YEAH. WE DON'T, WE DON'T DISTINGUISH IT THAT WAY. IT'S THE ENTIRE HOUSE IS ONE HOUSE. MM-HMM, OR THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE IS ONE STRUCTURE. AND THE, THE PIECE THAT STICKS OUT DETERMINES THE, UH, PLANE OF THE A, B, C IN THE END. UH, IT TURNS OUT SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ARE HANDLED ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME ANYWAY, SO I'M NOT, YEAH, IT JUST SEEMED ODD THAT, THAT YOU HAD SAID, UM, SECONDARY, WHEN I KIND IT APPEARS TO BE PRODUCT TER IT APPEARS TO BE TERTIARY. CERTAINLY. SO. YEP. AND I EVEN INCORRECTLY CORRECTED MYSELF AS I READ THAT. SO OKAY. YEAH. OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? NO, I MEAN, THE ORIGINAL, THE BRICKS WERE NOT ORIGINAL. I THINK WE CLARIFIED THAT IN DESIGN REVIEW. SO NOT AN ISSUE THERE. UM, EVERYTHING ELSE IS REALLY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES. THE, THE, THE BRICKS THAT ARE TEAR OUT THERE WERE PAINTED, RIGHT? YES. IT APPEAR TO BE PAINTED, BUT, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA PAINT THE NEW ONES, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT'S CLEAR IN THE PICTURE THAT THE BRICKS ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE OLD BRICKS. YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS AN ADDITION THAT WAS MADE. SURE. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT IN THE STEEL PIPE IN THE, NO. GOOD JOB. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. YEAH, IT IS A GOOD LOOKING PROJECT. YEAH. OKAY. HEARING NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? READY FOR A MOTION? I'M SORRY. READY FOR YOUR REC? OH, WE GOT YOUR RECOMMENDATION. YEP. . I ONLY GOT A C PLUS ON THAT LAST ONE. SO SOMEBODY ELSE ASKED WHO, WHO WOULD LIKE TO DO MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, LEMME GET ALL THE INFORMATION HERE. AND IT IS TWO 12 FRONT. YES. YEAH. YES. UH, THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OR APPROPRIATENESS FOR, UH, TWO 12 SOUTH FRONT STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEWMAN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH FOUR 11 TO 15 DASH 4 29 AT NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT FOR THE GUIDELINES, UTILITIES 2.3, 2.36, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 MODIFICATIONS, 3.1, 3.2 FOUNDATIONS, 4.13 WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.4 WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS. 4.3 0.1, 4.32 ENTRANCES, FOUR POINT 0.4 MASONRY 5.2, 5.1 ACCESSIBILITY AND LIFE SAFETY. 4.7. 4.7 0.2. MASONRY FIVE FIVE AND FIVE POINT POINT WOOD, 5.21 AND 5.2 0.2. [01:00:01] PAINT 5.41. 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.35. POINT FOUR 0.4. UH, FINDINGS OF FACT STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF, UH, STAIRWAY AND PORCH MODIFICATIONS TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND PRIMARY AND SECONDARY A A VC AREAS. THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS. THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND MADE APPROPRIATE COMMENTS. THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH GUIDELINES. UH, SO THE CON ONE CONDITION IS THAT ANY REVISIONS TO, UH, WHAT THE HPC APPROVES, UH, THOSE REVISIONS WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE HPC STAFF FOR REVIEW. SECOND, MOVE, AND SECONDED. WE APPROVE THE, UH, COA FOR THE PROJECT. ALL IN FAVOR OF STATE? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION TO ISSUE A COA. SO MOVE. MOVE AND SECONDED BY SOMEONE. RICHARD. RICHARD. RICHARD. MOTION. AND MARK. MARK. OKAY, MARK. OKAY. UH, ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. DO YOU HAVE THE PROJECT? THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE NEED A MOTION FOR MR. YER TO REASSUME THIS PLACE. SO MOVED. SECOND, MOVE, AND SECOND. DID MR. YER COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION? YOU HAVE TO VOTE. OH, I'M SORRY. ALL IN FAVOR, STATE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? UH, NOW YOU COME UP. OKAY. AT THE, [6.D. 403 E. FRONT ST. (Sudan Shriners’ Temple) – to include complete demolition of the building and redevelopment with a parking lot, improvements to the Shriners memorial area, including a replica of the entrance to the Shriners building and interpretive signage, and retention of the historic iron fencing. REVISED: The applicant has requested for this application to be continued to the January Regular Meeting.] THE, UH, OWNER'S REQUEST 4 0 3 EAST FRONT WOULD LIKE TO BE MOVED TO THE JANUARY MEETING. SO WE NEED A MOTION, UH, FOR A CONTINUANCE OF THAT PROJECT, UH, DUE TO THE OWNER'S REQUEST TO THE JANUARY MEETING. SO MOVE. I'LL SECOND MOVE. SECONDED. WELL, YOU NEED TO SPECIFY THE DATE, THE ACTUAL DATE OF JANUARY. THE ACTUAL DATE IS THE, UH, DATE TIME BE THE 22ND, RIGHT? 22ND. 22ND. I WITHDRAW MY MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, WE CONTINUE THE HEARING FOR FOUR 13, I'M SORRY, 4 0 3 EAST FRONT STREET, UH, TO THE MEETING, TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING ON JANUARY 22ND TO 2 20 25 AT FIVE 30. AND THIS LOCATION, THE CITY HALL, UH, JUSTIFICATION IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED, UH, EXTRA TIME, UH, TO PREPARE THE, TO PREPARE THE PRESENTATION. AND I'LL STILL SECOND MOVING. SECONDED. WE ISSUE A CONTINUANCE WITH THE STATED DETAILS. ALL IN FAVOR? STATE AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? THAT'S DONE. UM, IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS? NONE. NO. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE COMMENTS? NO. ADMINISTRATOR'S [9. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT A. REPORT ON MAJOR COAS DENIED (September 6 – November 6): None B. REPORT ON MAJOR COAS, EXTENSIONS, AMENDMENTS, and CONDITION APPROVALS ISSUED (September 6 – November 6): 211 Johnson St. – landscaping, pavers, gas lamp 217 Hancock St. – rear addition (condition approved) 307 Bern St. – rear addition 510 Craven St. – driveway, fences, landscaping (amendment) 720 E. Front St. – infill house, garage (amendment 2) C. REPORT ON MINOR COAS ISSUED (September 6 – November 6): 100 Pollock St. (Persimmons) – replacement dock 206-208 Metcalf St. – water heaters 211 Johnson St. ROW – tree replacement 212 S. Front St. ROW – tree replacement 214 S. Front St. – front handrail, crestings, landscaping, fencing, sign 222 Change St. – replacement HVAC 315 George St. – new generator 401 Avenue D ROW – tree replacement 406 Hancock St. – front and side handrails 514 E. Front St. ROW – tree replacement 522 Johnson St. – tree replacement 605 Pollock St. – tree replacement 608 Middle St. ROW – tree replacement 609 Hancock St. ROW – tree replacement 610 Metcalf St. – lean-to addition to shed 613 Hancock St. ROW – tree replacement 616 Middle St. ROW – tree replacement About 9 pending D. OTHER ITEMS AND UPDATES BY THE ADMINISTRATOR] REPORT. MR. MATT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO? UH, YES. UM, UH, IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE AGENDA, UM, I DID HAND OUT A, UH, SOME BROCHURES THAT ARE UP THERE, WHICH REPRESENT, UH, THE WORK OF THE, UH, ONE WORK GROUP, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY OWNERS SUPPORT GROUP WORK GROUP. UH, AND, UM, IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA AS TO WHAT, UH, WHAT THEY HAVE TO OFFER TO THE OWNERS. UM, AND SO WE USE THAT TO, WHEN WE TALK TO THE OWNERS OF VARIOUS HISTORIC PROPERTIES IN DRY BOROUGH. MM-HMM. . AND YOU'RE JIM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? JIM IS ONE OF THE CO-CHAIRS? NO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE MANY TIMES GOING OVER THE SAME TERRITORY, BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME FINANCING THAT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF BEFORE. FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE A HOME O OWNER OCCUPIED HOME IN NEED OF REPAIR. THAT'S CORRECT. AND ALSO, UM, WE HAVE A, UM, I GUESS, UH, HAD A PARTNERSHIP OR AGREEMENT WITH THE, UH, PRESERVATION FOUNDATION, UH, WHO, UH, IF WE FIND AN, UH, HOMEOWNER WHO'S WILLING TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY, UH, THEN, UH, WE USUALLY, OR WE WOULD CONTACT THEM, UH, WITH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY, PUT A, AN EASEMENT ON PRESERVATION EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS INTO GOOD HANDS AGAIN. SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, [01:05:01] ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ONGOING PROJECTS WE NOW HAVE IS, UM, CREATING, UH, SOME WOOD PLAQUES, UH, FOR PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL BE APPROACHING A NUMBER OF PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, TO SEE IF THEY'D BE INTERESTED IN A PLAQUE SIMILAR TO THE ONES THAT YOU SEE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. BUT IN THIS CASE, UH, I'M, I GUESS I'M, UH, UH, ENHANCING THAT WITH WHAT I WOULD CALL LEGACY PLAQUES. UH, IN ADDITION TO SAY THE NAME AND DATE OF THE ACTUAL HOUSE, UM, WE'RE ALSO INCLUDING SOME OF THE OCCUPANTS, THE NAME OF THE RESIDENCE, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE HOUSE. AND SO MANY TIMES THAT'S THE CURRENT OWNER, UH, WHICH WOULDN'T NORMALLY BE ON THEN THE PLAQUE. UH, AND SO IT STARTS TO ALSO BEGIN TO TELL SOME OF THE, AND SOME OF THE PREVIOUS OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS. UH, AND SO THAT BEGINS TO TELL THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN A WAY THAT IS NOT OTHERWISE POSSIBLE. SO, UM, AND WE OFFER THESE THEN TO THE OWNERS FOR FREE. UM, SO WE HAVE TWO OR THREE THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE WORKING ON TO GET THE ACTUAL WORDING ALL CORRECT. UH, AND THAT, SO THOSE WILL BE ISSUED PRETTY SOON. AND I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP NOW. NOT THAT WE DIDN'T, BUT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS MUCH MORE AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING DOWN TO SPECIFIC HOUSES AND MAYBE SOME PLANS THAT WE MIGHT SHARE WITH THEM, AND WE'LL SEE. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THERE MAY BE, THAT MAY BE OUR, UH, SOME WAY TO GET SOME OF THOSE REHABS DONE. THAT GOOD WORK. WE THANK YOU. DID YOU SAY YOU HAD A SOURCE OF FUNDING? YOU WE HAVE A, YES. YES. UH, AND THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THAT PERHAPS THE HOUSE IS NOT GOT A GREAT VALUE, BUT HAS SOME VALUE AND IS, IS OWNED BY THE OWNER, THE OCCUPIER, AND PERHAPS THEY CAN GET A PARTIAL LOAN TO DO SOMETHING, RAISE THE VALUE OF THE BUILDING, GET A LOAN LATER TO DO A DIFFERENT PROJECT, AS OPPOSED TO I'VE GOTTA GET A LOAN TO DO EVERYTHING. AND VERY, AND THE GENTLEMAN HAS WORKED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY. YEAH. SO IT'S, IT'S A, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY. OKAY. GOOD TIME. IS THERE ANY OF THESE OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON? UM, NO. NO, NOT IN PARTICULAR. OKAY. ANY CO OH, I GUESS THE, I, SORRY, ONLY LAST THING IS, UM, UH, THIS MONTH, UH, BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT MONTH, I'M REQUIRED TO TURN IN, UH, THE ANNUAL REPORT TO THE SHIPPO. UH, AND SO IN JANUARY I WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THAT REPORT WITH YOU. UM, IT GENERALLY IS ABOUT 18 PAGES. IT'S LIKE A QUESTIONNAIRE REALLY. UM, AND SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE ACCESS ON THE DROPBOX OR, OR AN EMAIL. UM, SO I WON'T BE READING AN 18 PAGE REPORT, BUT, UH, UH, WE CAN PULL OUT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, HOW MANY COAS WE'VE ISSUED AND THINGS LIKE THAT. COOL. WE PROBABLY SHOULD MENTION THERE WILL BE NO, BE NO DECEMBER DESIGN REVIEW NOR HEARING. THAT'S CORRECT. YES. THAT'S ALSO GOOD THIS YEAR. NO DESIGN REVIEW THIS DECEMBER, BUT THIS IS CORRECT. NEXT DECEMBER MORNING APPROVED? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. YEP. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS? WE'LL SEE YOU ALL IN JANUARY, RIGHT. SEE YOU ALL IN JANUARY. UH, NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN? YES. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVE. SECOND. SECOND, MOVE, AND SECOND. DID WE ADJOURN ALL FAVOR STATE? AYE. AYE. AYE. YOU ADJOURN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.