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SO[Municipal Service District Meeting on February 18, 2025.]
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING OF THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO ORDER.AND THIS IS OUR REGULAR MEETING.
UM, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
I KNOW I JUST SAID THAT WRONG.
UM, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR NEW BOARD MEMBERS, UM, THAT WE HAVE.
JIM POLO, WHO IS HERE REPRESENTING THE RESIDENTS, UM, AND GEORGE OLIVER, WHO IS REPRESENTING THE PROFESSIONALS.
AND MIKE LENTZ, WHO IS REPRESENTING THE RESTAURANT.
SO, WELCOME TO THE THREE OF YOU.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE TO THIS BOARD.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR OUTGOING MEMBERS WHO REALLY DID A GREAT JOB AND DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET THEIR FEET DUG IN, BUT DID EXCELLENT JOB.
AND GRETCHEN ZA WAS HERE REPRESENTING THE, UM, RESIDENTS.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THIS BOARD.
YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB, AND WE'VE MISSED YOU.
BUT I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY AND, UH, FEEL FREE TO PARTICIPATE WITH US.
UM, AND ALSO I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MICHAEL RAINS, WHO REPRESENTED THE PROFESSIONAL.
AND, YOU KNOW, A BRIEF THING ABOUT MICHAEL, HIS DAD, UH, MARVIN JUST WAS, UM, THE BACKBONE, ONE OF THE BACKBONES OF THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT.
UH, HE WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS FOUNDED IN 78 AND HELPED PULL IT TOGETHER VIA SWISS BAY AND, UH, SERVED AS CHAIRMAN FOR MANY YEARS PRIOR TO HIS PASSING.
AND, UM, I KNOW MICHAEL DID A GREAT JOB IN STEPPING INTO THAT ROLE.
AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE SERVICE.
AND I JUST WANT TO THANK MICHAEL, UM, YOU KNOW, PUBLICLY FOR THE SERVICE THAT HE GAVE TO THIS PAPER.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU GAVE.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF OUR OCTOBER MEETING, WHICH IS OUR LAST MEETING.
ONE MINOR TYPO I HAD IN, UH, THE PARKING SUBCOMMITTEE.
UH, PARAGRAPH YOU REFERRED TO ME AS JOHNNY MILLER.
I'D BE, I'D BE VERY LUCKY IF THAT WERE THE CASE.
I CALLED HIM CHIPPY AT MY LAST.
I MOVE, WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDMENT.
AND I HAVE A SECOND ALL THE, OKAY.
UH, NOW PER OUR, UM, PER, I GUESS THERE ARE BYLAWS.
UM, IT SAYS THAT EACH YEAR AT THE FIRST MEETING, WHICH THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING OF THE NEW YEAR, WE ARE TO ELECT A CHAIR.
SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, ALSO TOO, THE MEN, UH, THE ORDINANCE DOES STATE THAT, UH, THE TERM OF THE CHAIR FOR ONE YEAR, BUT THERE IS NOT A A NUMBER OF TERMS. SO THERE COULD BE MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE TERMS IF NECESSARY.
SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE KEEP SABRINA BENGAL AS THE CHAIR.
I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.
I SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UM, I, I AGREE THAT SABRINA DID A, DID A GREAT JOB, BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER, UM, CONSIDER SOMEONE ELSE JUST BECAUSE IT KIND OF HELPS HAVING, UM, FRESH LEADERSHIP, FRESH BLOOD IN, IN, IN AN ORGANIZATION.
UM, SO IF, UM, IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO, UM, STEP UP AND, UH, CONSIDER BEING THE, BEING THE CHAIR, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, A GREAT, I GREAT IDEA.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
SO UNLESS SOMEBODY WITHDRAWS THAT MOTION, YOU NEED TO ACT ON IT ONE WAY OR THE ANOTHER.
WELL, HOW, HOW THEN WOULD SOMEBODY ELSE BE NOMINATED OR IF THERE'S A, SO IF, IF THE MOTION FAILS, THEN YOU WOULD NOMINATE SOMEONE ELSE, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S A MOTION BEING MADE AND A SECOND, UH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ACT ON THE MOTION UNLESS IT'S WITH WITHDRAWN.
AM I CORRECT? YOU ARE CORRECT.
WE'RE IN THE DISCUSSION PERIOD.
SO DURING THE DISCUSSION PERIOD, YOU CAN DISCUSS MM-HMM
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IS THERE, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SERVE AS THE CHAIR? I WOULD, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SERVE AS CHAIR.
WELL, I HAVE ALSO GIVEN THOUGHT TO, UM, ASKING JOHN CARON DON'T HAVE THE TIME, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE CONSIDERATION.
IS THERE, OKAY, BECAUSE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
UM, I, I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR BY RAISING THEIR HAND.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, RAISE YOUR HAND.
SO, AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY, SO SIX TO FOUR, IS THAT CORRECTED? FIVE TO FOUR, RAISE THE HANDS.
FOUR AGAINST 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 4, 5 FOR OPPOSED? NO.
AND THEN OPPOSED WOULD BE 1, 2, 3, 4.
SO, SO JUST FOR CLARITY, YES, I CAN ASK, I KNOW THIS IS DISCUSSION, BUT BEING NEW TO THE COMMITTEE, IF, IF IT'S FIRST WORD OUT AND FIRST, SECOND OUT, THAT COMMITS THIS COMMITTEE TO A OBLIGATED VOTE.
SO THAT'S ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
EVEN THOUGH IT WAS AN OPEN FOR DISCUSSION FIRST, CORRECT.
UM, BECAUSE A MOTION WAS MADE AND THAT MOTION CAN HAPPEN AT ANY TIME, THAT DURING, UNDER, UNDER THE ITEM, YES, IT WAS ADVERTISED, THE ITEM UNDER THAT ITEM, THE MOTION WAS MADE AND A SECOND WAS GIVEN TO THE MOTION.
IF THERE HAD BEEN NO SECOND, THEN WE COULD MOVE ON.
IF THE SECOND HAD BEEN WITHDRAWN, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A, A FULL BLOWN MOTION.
AGAIN, MR. ATTORNEY, MR. ATTORNEY AND, UH, UH, CITY MANAGER, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WHAT IF THERE ARE TWO FIRST MOTIONS WHERE A MOTION THAT, AND THEN A MOTION OCCURS.
SO A MOTION WOULD HAPPEN, HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION, OTHERWISE THE MOTION IS NOT CONSIDERED A VALID MOTION AND YOU COULDN'T GO FORWARD WITHOUT A SECOND? WELL, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK ROBERT'S RULE OF ORDERS ALLOW FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROCEDURES.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTING OFFICERS, IN THIS CASE CHAIRPERSON, UM, ONE WAS THE, UM, PROCEDURE THAT JUST TOOK PLACE.
UH, ANOTHER OPTION IS TO, UM, OPEN THE FLOOR UP TO ANY NOMINATION OF ANYBODY THAT IS INTERESTED IN BEING CONSIDERED, UM, FOR THE POSITION.
UM, AND THEN ONCE THAT STEP IS DONE, IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS BEEN NOMINATED, THEN THE COMMITTEE TAKES A VOTE ON EACH ONE.
SO THAT IS ANOTHER PROCEDURE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT CAREFUL ON JUST ASSUMING THAT THE PROCEDURE THAT TOOK PLACE WAS THE PROPER PROCEDURE, GIVEN THE FACT THAT I DON'T THINK THE BYLAWS OF THIS COMMITTEE HAVE GOTTEN SPELLED OUT THE PROCESS OF ELECTING A CHAIR SENATE.
LET'S MOVE ALONG TO THE NEXT, UM, ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE REVIEW OF THE MEETING DATES AND TIMES.
IN OUR OCTOBER MEETING, WE, UH, MOTION WAS MADE AND APPROVED FOR THE FOLLOWING MEETINGS FOR 2025.
AND THAT IS TODAY'S MEETING, OF COURSE, FEBRUARY 18TH.
THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE, AND THESE ARE REGULAR MEETINGS.
THESE DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR WORKSHOPS.
WE MAY HAVE TUESDAY, MAY THE 20TH.
THE NEXT ONE WILL BE TUESDAY, AUGUST THE 19TH, AND THEN TUESDAY, OCTOBER 21ST.
AGAIN, THESE WERE IN OUR MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, AND THEY ALL, UH, THE MOTION WAS MADE FOR THEM TO OCCUR AT 12.
SO THAT WAS JUST A REVIEW TO LET, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE NEW MEMBERS, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY KNEW THE DATES OF OUR FOLLOWING MEETINGS.
AGAIN, WE ARE OPEN TO HAVE A WORKSHOP AT ANY TIME THAT A MAJORITY OF THE GROUP CALLS FOR ONE.
KIM, WOULD YOU GO AHEAD AND GIVE US THE FINANCE REPORT? SURE.
YOU, YOU HAVE THE FINANCE REPORT IN YOUR PACKET, THIRD PAGE.
THIS GIVES YOU A COMPARISON OF OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WITH 2025 BEING THE CURRENT YEAR.
2024 IS LAST YEAR, AND 2023 IS THE PRIOR
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YEAR.WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, BALANCE CHIEF HERE SHOWING OUR ASSETS I LIABILITIES IN OUR DEFERRED INFLUENCE AND RESOURCES IN OUR POSITION.
SO OUR NET POSITION AT THIS TIME IS 2,214,000, $26.
WHEN YOU, UM, RECEIVE THE, UH, FULL AMOUNT OF OUR TAX REVENUES, THEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A $2,276,835.
YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE NEXT PAGE.
THIS IS THE BUDGET TO ACTUAL REPORT.
SO, UM, 2020 5, 24 AND 23 ARE ALL COMPARED WITH 24 AND 23 BEING THE ACTUAL TO THE LEFT HERE.
2025 HAS THE BUDGET IN THE FIRST COLUMN, THE ACTUAL AS OF, UM, JANUARY 31ST, AND THEN THE, UM, VARIANCE IF IT'S OVER UNDER BUDGET AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE ARE, UM, STILL, UH, LOOKING FOR SOME TAX REVENUE THERE TO COME IN OF ABOUT $67,000.
OF COURSE THAT'S A LITTLE DELAYED THAT WE'RE STILL WAITING ON AS WELL.
AND THEN THE, UM, THE RENTAL INCOME WAS THAT IS THE, UM, FARMER'S MARKET THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED IN FULL AS WHAT WAS BUDGETED.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE PARKING RENTAL INCOME THAT'S ABOUT 39,000 WITH ABOUT 17,500.
SO, UM, TO COME IN OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND THEN, UM, GO DOWN TO THE EXPENSES.
YOUR TOTAL REVENUE AS OF RIGHT NOW IS 307,810.
THE EXPENDITURES? WE ARE, UM, AT A TOTAL OF HUNDRED 42,815.
RIGHT NOW, YOUR OPERATING EXPENSES ARE REALLY JUST A CUSTODIAN FOR THE CUB HOUSE.
WE HAVE, UM, THE PARKING, YOU HAVE THE PARKING ATTENDANTS, AND THEN YOUR DEBT AS WELL.
SO, UM, THAT BEING A, THAT POSITION AS OF JANUARY 31ST WAS $122,995 WITH REVENUE OVER EXPENSES.
SORRY, JUST A REMINDER TO PEOPLE WE'RE ON A JUNE 30 FISCAL YEAR END.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BUDGET TO YES, PLEASE.
WHAT IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT IS OWED, AND THEREFORE, WHAT IS THE AMOUNT THAT, IF THAT DEBT WAS PAID, WHAT IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT? IT'S ON YOUR NEXT PAGE? YEP.
IS THAT, UM, SPACES AND ALL PARKING? SO THE, ON THE NEXT PAGE IS YOUR DEBT REPORT, AND THIS SHOWS, UH, THE TWO FINANCE NAMES THERE.
UM, ORIGINAL LOAN MAP, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.
SO THE BALANCES AS OF RIGHT NOW, UM, WOULD BE FOR SIX 30 2025.
YOUR DEBT BALANCE WOULD BE 292,700.
AND BOTH OF THOSE ARE, DID BE PAID OFF IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2020 7, 28.
SO, SO, UH, ELIMINATING THAT DEBT FROM THE TOTAL AMOUNT WE HAVE, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE LEFT IN THE BANK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO, TO OPERATE WITH RESPECT.
YOU WANT IF YOU PAID THAT OFF? YES.
SO YOU HAVE YOUR CASH CASH AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S 2,213,000 4 85.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA SUBTRACT THAT.
AND THAT WOULD BE, DO DO THAT REAL QUICK.
IF YOU, SO IN JUNE, ONCE THOSE TAX REVENUES ARE COLLECTED RIGHT.
I'LL HAVE THE DEBT DOWN TO 292 IF YOU, I GUESS I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
SO, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT AN OPERATING BUDGET MM-HMM
FOR THOSE THAT DON'T DO FINANCE, AN OPERATING BUDGET OF HOW MUCH, WHAT, WHAT WILL THIS COMMITTEE HAVE TO WORK WITH? IF, IF WE PAID OFF THE DEBT AND RECEIVE ALL THAT IS DUE FOR THIS COMING YEAR AND THE EXPENDITURES THAT ARE, SO I CAN GET THAT TO YOU, CALL BACK UP WITH YOU, JIM.
ARE YOU ASSUMING THEY PAY THE DEBT OFF AND NOT JUST MAKE THE REGULAR? RIGHT.
JUST, JUST THINKING OF WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAS TO WORK WITH.
IF WE WORK IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WHAT, WHAT IS THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH? SO, SO JUST THINK ABOUT IT'S 2 MILLION.
IF THIS IS PAID OFF, IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN,
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LESS THAN OR APPROXIMATELY $2 MILLION, NOT INCLUDING WHAT THE, WHATEVER THE BUDGET WILL BE FOR MSD, WHATEVER IS ABOUT TWO ALLOCATED.COULD WE BE REMINDED HOW MUCH THE SALE OF THE TOWER WAS ATTRIBUTED TO THAT ON PLEASE? I BELIEVE THAT'S WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE SECOND PAGE.
WE HAD 25 FOR, UM, THE VERY LAST PAGE, THERE'S, UH, A BREAKDOWN OF THE FUNDED PROJECT IN 2024 WAS THE, UH, FARMERS MARKET FOR 90,025.
UM, THIS YEAR'S TREE MAINTENANCE OF 24,500 IS BUDGETED.
AND THEN THE CORP BARE PLAZA SURVEYS 26,000.
SO AS A CLARIFICATION, THOSE WERE PROJECTS THAT THIS BOARD RECOMMENDED TO FOR
WELL, YEAH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
WHERE, WHERE ON THE, UM, THE REPORT SHOWS WHERE THAT MONEY WAS SPENT, UNDER WHAT CATEGORY? DO YOU FIND THAT UNDER OTHER FINANCE, WHEN THE OTHER FINANCE SOURCES IT WOULD BE UNDER OPERATING? YES.
IT'S GONNA BE ROLLED UP INTO THE OPERATING EXPENSES.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THE ACTUAL IS SO HIGH.
I HAVE A QUESTION PROBABLY FOR FOSTER, UM, UM, THE 90,000 THAT WE, UM, APPROVED FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET, UH, UPGRADES MM-HMM
HOW, WHO, UM, WHO SUBMITTED, UM, THEIR BUSINESSES TO TRY TO SET THAT, THAT WORK? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO, SO WE, WE REACHED OUT TO QUALIFIED BUSINESSES.
THE MAIN BULK OF THAT WAS FOR GARAGE DOOR REPLACEMENT UHHUH.
SO COMMERCIAL GARAGE DOOR, UM, COMPANIES IS WHO WE REACHED OUT FOR QUOTES ON THAT.
UM, THE OTHER THINGS ARE, ARE DONE IN HOUSE BY STAFF.
SO LIKE THE TREE MAINTENANCE AND THE CORE.
SO THE TREE MAINTENANCE, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ALSO BID OUT.
CAN WE KNOW WHO THEY WERE THAT GOT THOSE, UH, WHO GOT THE JOBS? SURE, WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION.
OH, SO I HAVE THE TRIMMING, UM, TREE TRIMMING WAS JEREMY PAGE AND, AND THE FARMER'S MARKET FOR THE GARAGE DOORS, RIGHT? YES.
SO THAT'S JUST FOR OVERHEAD DOOR.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KIM ABOUT THE FINANCIAL REPORT? IF NOT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE FINANCIAL REPORT PLEASE? SO MOVED.
NEXT, FOSTER THE INTERCOURSE SURVEY UPDATE.
SO WE'RE GONNA ASK GEORGE CHILD TO COME UP AND DISCUSS THIS FOR US.
I JUST WANNA, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE NEW MEMBERS TOO.
SO AT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, WE HAD SPENT EXTENSIVE TIME WITH, UM, COMMITTEES GOING OVER THE INNER CORE PROPERTIES THAT ARE REALLY OWNED BY THE CITY.
WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD NARROW IN ON WHAT IS JUST THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
AND WE HAD A PARKING COMMITTEE, WE HAD A BEAUTIFICATION COMMITTEE, AND WE HAD A, UM, A TRASH COMMITTEE.
SO, UH, THEY CAME UP WITH THE INFORMATION AND WE KIND OF LOOKED AT A DESIGN, WE FELT GOOD ABOUT WHAT WE WERE SEEING.
BUT THE NEXT PART WAS THE, A SURVEY TO FIND OUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE BOUNDARIES, BECAUSE DEPENDING ON WHERE WE WERE GOING TO PUT A TRASH COMPACTOR AND THE INGRESS AND EGRESS DEPENDED ON THE SURVEY.
SO WE GAVE DIRECTION AND MONEY, UH, OR AUTHORIZED OR APPROVED ASKING THE ALDERMAN TO SPEND MONEY FOR A SURVEY FOR THIS AREA.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.
AND I CAN PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THAT SURVEY.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME HANDOUTS AND UH, I WANT Y'ALL TO JUST UNDERSTAND THESE ARE OVERLAID ON TOP OF WHAT THEY CALL AN UNCORRECTED ORTHO.
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KERMAN AND TRYING TO LAY A FLAT DRAWING ON IT.SO DON'T TAKE THAT IF YOU OWN THESE PROPERTIES THAT YOU'VE GOT A PROPERTY LINE RUN THROUGH YOUR BUILDING, THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE.
THE, UH, SURVEY THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING CONDUCTED WILL ACTUALLY, IT GOT LOCATIONS OF BUILDING CORNERS WHEN THEY DID THE SURVEY.
SO FOR THE STATUS OF IT ON THESE TWO DRAWINGS, YOU CAN SEE SOME PAINT LINES ON ONE OF THE EXHIBITS THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS THE TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY.
THEY PICKED UP ALL OF THE ELEVATIONS TO EXISTING STORM WATER STRUCTURES WHERE THOSE PIPES GO.
AND THAT IS A NECESSARY PLANNING ASPECT OF IF WE CHANGE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THERE, WE'LL NEED THAT.
UM, WE CHANGE THE CURB AND GUTTER.
SO WE KEEP A PROPER, UH, DRAINAGE PATTERN TO, TO THE SITE.
UM, THEY WILL BE RETURNING ON THE 27TH THIS MONTH TO DO THE SUBSURFACE UTILITY LOCATION.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF UTILITIES IN THAT AREA THAT ARE EITHER UNMAPPED OR UNKNOWN OR WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHO THEY ARE AND EXACTLY WHERE THEY SERVICE.
SO THERE'LL BE LOTS OF PAINT MARKS ON THE GROUND AND THEY'LL COME BACK IN ON THE 27TH AND THEN SURVEY THOSE UTILITIES BECAUSE ANY IMPROVEMENT ON TOP OF THOSE UTILITIES WILL NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO THAT'LL BE HAPPENING ON THE 27TH.
WE, UM, ARE KIND OF PLANNING FOR THAT FIRST WEEK OF MARCH.
UH, FIRST, SECOND WEEK OF MARCH, WE'LL GET A FINAL OR AT LEAST A FINAL REVIEW PLAN OF THE SURVEY.
THEY'LL ACTUALLY SHOW THE BUILDING CORNERS OF PROPERTIES.
THEY'LL ALSO SET SOME PROPERTY CORNERS WHILE THEY'RE IN THERE.
MANY OF THESE DEEDS ARE REFERENCED TO BUILDING FACES OR BUILDING CORNERS SO THAT THERE WON'T BE ONE ON EVERY SINGLE PIECE IN HERE, BUT IT'LL, IT WILL ESTABLISH A WAY, AT LEAST YOU CAN LOOK VISUALLY WHEN YOU WALK THE SITE TO SEE WHAT, SEE WHERE SOME OF THESE CORNERS ARE.
SO THAT, THAT'S ALL GONNA BE NECESSARY.
ALSO, ON ONE OF THE HANDOUTS WE DID OVERLAY IT WITH THE AERIAL AND ONE OF THE CONCEPT PLANS THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED, I BELIEVE THIS WAS CONCEPT PLAN A.
NOW OF COURSE THESE ARE JUST CONCEPT PLANS.
THIS, THIS ISN'T, UH, A FINAL CHOSEN OR RECOMMEND.
IT WAS JUST AS AN ILLUSTRATION KIND OF SEE, UM, HOW AN IMPROVEMENT MAY IMPACT OTHER PROPERTIES OR ADJOINING PROPERTIES OR CITY PROPERTY.
WE HAVE MULTIPLE ADJOINERS IN THERE.
UM, THERE'S INGRESS AND EGRESS MOVEMENTS THAT OCCUR ACROSS PROPERTY LINES.
THERE'S DRAINAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY TRAVERSING ACROSS SEVERAL PROPERTIES.
I'M SURE WE'RE GONNA FIND UTILITIES THAT GO FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING OR SERVICE OTHER AREAS ACROSS DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO ESTABLISH A PLAN, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT TO RECTIFY WHATEVER'S OCCURRED IN THE PAST OR WHATEVER'S EXISTING, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE COOPERATION FROM ADJO PROPERTY OWNERS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE.
IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT TO RECOMMEND, AT LEAST ON MY PART, RECOMMENDED THIS AND A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY THAT THEN ONE DAY COULD HAVE ONE PROPERTY OWNER SAY, NO, WE'RE NO LONGER GONNA ALLOW VEHICLES TO CROSS THIS SECTION OF THE DRIVEWAY OR A CROSS PATH OR WHATEVER.
COULDN'T BE DESCRIBED IN A LEGAL SETTING.
AT LEAST THERE'S AN ATTORNEY ON THE BOARD PRESCRIBED EASEMENTS.
BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE COOPERATION BETWEEN ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO FACILITATE SOME TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT, WHICH I THINK WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE.
UM, BUT WHAT, WHAT WE NEED ONCE WE HAVE THIS SURVEY DONE IS SOME KIND OF CONCEPT PLAN THAT THAT COMMITTEE FEELS THIS IS THE DIRECTION YOU HAVE TODAY.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT STARTING POINT THEN TO SEE WHAT WE IMPACT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED ON THE SURVEY AND HOW THAT MAY IMPACT THE JOINERS.
SO TO SOLIDIFY CONCEPT PLAN WOULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR US TO THEN COMBINE THAT WITH THE SURVEY.
AND THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE SIT RIGHT NOW.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT.
IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF EFFORT ON EVERY TO GET EVERYONE TO COOPERATE.
THERE'S GONNA BE GIVE AND TAKE ON EVERY AD JOINER.
GEORGE, ARE YOU, UM, WITHOUT GETTING TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS EASEMENTS, ARE YOU SAYING THERE ARE NOT EASEMENTS FOR THE, THE WAY CAR COMING IN OUT? I'M NOT OR WHAT'S KNOWN AS PRESCRIBED.
I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK PRESCRIBED EASEMENTS AND USES AND GET INTO PEOPLE'S LEGAL STANDINGS ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
THAT'S A GOOD AS NOT AN ATTORNEY.
THERE MAY BE, THERE MAY BE, THERE MAY BE A JUDGE HAD TOLD ME IF THERE IS OR NOT.
HOW'S THAT? SO, SO THERE ARE DIFFICULTIES, BUT I BELIEVE THERE ARE, THIS PLAN SHOULD RECTIFY A LOT OF ISSUES WE'RE HAVING.
IT'LL ALSO CREATE A BETTER AESTHETIC VIEW GOING FROM MIDDLE ALL THE WAY THROUGH CRAVEN.
IF IT'S THAT THOROUGH FAIR IS THE WAY, UH, IT'S INTENDED TO DO, UM, IT TAKES CARE OF SOME TRASH ISSUES.
IT ALSO, IF IT CAN BE WORKED OUT THAT IT RECTIFIES ALL THE CONCERNS ALL THE JOINERS HAVE AS WELL AS THE CITY ABOUT HOW THE AREA
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IS USED NOW COMMONLY BY NEARLY EVERY PROPERTY.SO THE CONCEPT PLANS LIVE BY ANY CONCEPT PLAN.
I BELIEVE THEY'VE WORKED ON LOT.
IT'S, UM, BUT IT'LL TAKE THE PARKING AND THE TRASH AND ALL THAT TOGETHER TO, TO COME UP WITH EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT.
SO IN WHAT WE HAVE DONE, OH, GO AHEAD.
CAN I ASK GEORGE QUESTION A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY? CERTAINLY.
ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY WRITTEN EASEMENTS FOR THIS AREA? I HAVE NOT SEEN THE DEED RESEARCH PACKAGE.
THERE'S A REASON THIS SURVEY COSTS $37,000 AND IT HAS TO DO WITH FEES TIED TO THE ORIGINATION MAPS.
UM, IF I CAN, IF I CAN SPEAK HERE, UM, I HAVE A SURVEY THAT WAS DONE, UH, BY RICHARD, UM, HAMILTON.
WAS THAT WHO, WHO DID THE CONDOS? DICK.
DICK HAMILTON DID THIS AND THERE IS AN EASEMENT THAT I KNOW OF.
SO THIS IS AN EASEMENT TO GET YOU OVER TO THE CONDO.
SO I KNOW THAT, THAT, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S A LEAK.
IS THAT WELL, AND, AND, AND THE SURVEY WILL SHOW THESE THINGS WITH, WE'RE JUST SHOWING THE STATUS OF IT RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT ESTABLISHED FOR CERTAINTY WHERE THEY FEEL AS A SIGN IN THE MAP, THESE ARE WHERE THE BOUNDARIES ARE AND THEN THOSE WILL BE IMPOSED ONTO THE DRAWING.
SO, SO THOSE ARE NO EASEMENT WERE SHOWN ON THIS DECK YET.
THEY DIDN'T ENTIRELY DO RESEARCH ON THIS.
AND THAT WAS ON THAT BACKSIDE.
IT DIDN'T IMPACT THE END HERE WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE DISCUSSING.
BUT I JUST KNOW THAT IN THE INNER CORE, THIS IS WHAT I HAD FOUND ON FILE MM-HMM
AND, AND AND THERE AND THERE ARE PROBABLY SEVERAL THAT HAVE BEEN RECORDED WITH DIFFERENT JOINING PIECES, BUT IT'S JUST NOT SHOWN YET ON THIS MAP.
THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION THAT IF WHEN YOU START DOING OVERLAYS AND CONTENT PLANS AND S AND SURVEYS AND
SO, UM, BUT, BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THERE EASEMENTS AND THERE MAY UNMAPPED JUST WRITTEN THESE IN ITS AGREEMENTS THAT THAT COULD SHOW TOO.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE ALL GONNA HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN WE DEVELOP A FULL PLAN AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THOSE ARE HOW THEY STAND CURRENTLY ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.
WILL THE IMPENDING SURVEY ALSO LISTS THE AGE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GONNA BE FOUND? NO, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT SOME OF THE STORM WATER WAS ORIGINALLY REDONE WHEN THEY DID THE
UM, SO SOME OF THE INTERIOR NOW THAT DOES NOT MEAN WHAT THEY TIE TO IT FROM THE BUILDINGS MAY NOT HAVE BEEN TOTALLY UPGRADED.
'CAUSE LOTS OF, PRIOR TO THE EIGHTIES WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY DONE, IT WAS BASICALLY DIRT BACK THERE.
SO THEY, THAT WAS THE CITY'S FIRST MSD PROJECT AND THEY PUT IN THE PAVING, THE LIGHTING, THE STORM.
SO WE'RE THAT, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S 40 PLUS YEARS OLD, 45 PLUS YEARS OLD.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU'LL SEE THERE.
UM, AND GOING BACK TO OUR COMMITTEES, YOU KNOW, WE DID KINDA PULL IT ALL TOGETHER.
WE KNOW WE WANT A TRASH COMPACTOR.
I THINK WE'VE PRETTY MUCH DECIDED THAT WAS THE THE WAY TO GO.
BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE ELECTRIC AND WE'VE GOTTA HAVE WATER AND WE'VE GOTTA HAVE THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S GONNA DEPEND ON CAN WE GET 'EM TO ABOUT THE AREA.
NOW WE HAVEN'T SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE A, B AND C EXACTLY HERE, BUT WE HAVE DESIGN SOME THOSE AREA.
WE WE DID SOME CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, PLANS AND LOOKING AT SOME THINGS.
BUT ONE THING THAT I I, I WOULD CAUTION US FROM DOING THOUGH IS, IS ACTING TOO QUICKLY WITHOUT HAVING A HOLISTIC LOOK AT IT.
AND I, AND I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A MASTER PLAN FOR THE INTER CORE.
'CAUSE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, POTENTIALLY REDOING OR, UM, REDUCING PARKING, THAT'S GONNA HAVE AN EFFECT ON A LOT OF PEOPLE.
NOT ONLY VISITING, BUT THE, BUT THE BUSINESSES AROUND THERE.
AND TO HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR THEM WHEN THAT'S DONE, I THINK IS, IS VERY PRUDENT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY.
SO, UM, I THINK THEY COULD PROBABLY FOLLOW SOME PARALLEL PATHS AND THIS COULD BE A COMPONENT OF THAT MASTER PLAN.
BUT I I, I REALLY TO, TO SAY THAT WE'VE DECIDED ON THE TRASH COMPACTOR AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED AND ALL THAT, I, I THINK WE, WE SHOULD RECONSIDER, UM, MAKING, SO YOU'RE SAYING NOT TO STICK WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY PROPERTY? NO, NO.
THE IMPROVEMENT SHOULD BE WITHIN THE CITY PROPERTY.
THAT, THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING.
BUT IT SHOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UM, A MASTER PLAN FOR THE, FOR THE WHOLE MSD.
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MAYBE THE, THE CONSULTANT COMES IN AFTER, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY TYPICALLY WILL HAVE A, A DESIGN CHARETTE AND, AND THEN THEY GET THE FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS OTHER, UH, STAFF AND AND SO FORTH TO, TO HEAR WHAT THOSE CONCERNS ARE, TO COME UP WITH THE BEST PLAN.AND THE BEST PLAN MAY BE TO PUT, AND, AND THE CITIZENS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS BACK THERE MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE FOR THE TRASH COMPACTOR IF THAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION TO BE ON, ON MY PROPERTY.
AND THE CITY HAS HAS SAID WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE TRASH BUSINESS.
AND THAT MAKES SENSE, SENSE TO WHY, WHY, WHY ARE WE PUTTING A TRASH COMPACTOR ON, ON CITY PROPERTY? BUT ANYHOW, I I JUST THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT, AT MORE THAN, UM, DAVID, IF I CAN ASK A QUESTION IN CORRELATION TO THAT.
I, I, ON THE NEW GUY ON THE COMMITTEE, I RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT I REVIEWED ALL THE MINUTES AND, AND NOWHERE DID I SEE A VOTE FROM THE COMMITTEE OR ANY COMMITTEE COME AND SAY THAT WE ARE SETTLED ON A TRASH COMPACTOR.
YOU'RE, YOU ARE, YOU ARE CORRECT.
WE WERE JUST, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING CONCEPT IN OUR LAST COMMITTED TO A TRASH COMPACTOR IN THE LAST MEETING.
RIGHT? NO, BUT BUT YOU JUST SAID WE'RE COMMITTED TO A TRASH COMPACTER WHO IS COMMITTED TO A TRASH COMPACTER.
WELL, WE HAD, I GUESS MAY EXCUSE MY WORD, MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID COMMITTED, BUT WE HAD ALL DECIDED THAT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF PICKUPS, THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT THE COMPACTOR COULD HANDLE TWICE THE AMOUNT OF TRASH, IT WOULD KEEP IT NEATER.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE IN KEEPING THE MAJORITY OF TRASH OFF THE GROUND AND OFF THE AREA.
DID THE COMMITTEE VOTE AT ANY TIME TO SAY THAT THAT WAS THE BEST IDEA? WELL, WE GAVE CONSENSUS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE VOTED, BUT WE ALL, JUST AS WE GAVE CONSENSUS ON AN INGRESS EGRESS PLAN, WE GAVE CONSENSUS ON THE BEAUTIFICATION INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN US.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE LIKE THE IDEA OF A TREE.
I MEAN, WE DIDN'T VOTE AND SAY, YES, THAT TREE MUST BE THERE.
IS THAT SENTENCE VOTE IN THE MINUTES? UH, THE RE REVIEW AND REPORT, I MEAN, ANYBODY ELSE WHO WAS HERE, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED? SO TODAY NO RECOMMENDATION HAS BEEN CORRECT.
HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE GOVERNING BOARD AT THIS TIME.
NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT HOW ABOUT JUST IN THE COMMITTEE? WE'RE JUST A COMMITTEE, WE'RE AN ADVISORY THAT THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
BUT WE'RE BUILDING CONSENSUS HERE.
AND I, AS THE NEW GUY I JUST HEARD, WE'RE COMMITTED TO A TRASH COMPACTER.
I MEAN, I, UM, HAVING BEEN THOSE MEETINGS, I DON'T THINK WE COMMITTED TO ANYTHING.
THE TRASH SUBCOMMITTEE CAME FORWARD AND RECOMMENDED A COMPACTOR.
THEIR SUBCOMMITTEE CAME FORWARD WITH A PLAN THAT WAS A COMPACTOR THAT WAS NOT VOTED ON AS THE WAY FORWARD BY THIS COMMITTEE.
THAT WAS ONE SUBCOMMITTEE OF THREE OR FOUR.
AND THE PIECES NEED TO BE FIT TOGETHER.
AND SO THERE'S BEEN NO VOTE ON A PATH FORWARD AT THIS POINT, BUT EACH COMMITTEE HAS BROUGHT A RECOMMENDATION.
THE TRASH COMMITTEE BROUGHT FORWARD DIAGRAMS, TEAR SHEETS, ET CETERA, ON A COMPACTOR AND HOW IT WOULD FIT THERE.
AND, AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH IS A VALUABLE EXERCISE AND, AND WHERE IT HAS LED US IS THE, AND EARLY ON IN THE DISCUSSION WAS WE REALLY HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE LOOKING AT THESE PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
OUR FOCUS SHOULD BE ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S, WE, WE HAVE GOTTEN THAT FAR.
UM, SO, UM, AND, AND I'M SURE THAT THE DISCUSSIONS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL, UM, THERE'S A, A FINAL DESIGN THAT MAKES SENSE AND IS FINALLY RECOMMENDED.
BUT BACK TO THE, THE MASTER PLAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO CONSIDER MAKING A, A RECOMMENDATION FOR A MASTER PLAN.
I THINK A MASTER PLAN IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT JUST THAT ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ONE FOR 40 YEARS AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE FOR 10 YEARS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE LAST ONE ENDED.
SO FOR 10 YEARS WE'VE REALLY NOT, WE'VE JUST BEEN SORT OF BLINDLY MOVING FORWARD, UH, WITH AREAS THAT WE ARE LIKE TROUBLESOME.
OH, WELL LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT OR THIS.
BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT GRANDER, THAT LARGER PICTURE.
AND MAYBE WE CAN, IT'D BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS DRIVEN BY SWISS BAY, BOTH OF THOSE.
IT WAS, AND THEN THIS WAS THE FUNDING SOURCE.
SO MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING AGAIN, THEY HAVE THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM, THEY, THEY WORK WITHIN THAT.
MAYBE THEY COULD COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD LOOK AT DOING A PLAN LIKE, YOU KNOW, URBAN DESIGN PLAN 3.0 SINCE WE HAD 1.0 AND 2.0.
IT WAS FAIR IS CONSIDERING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO LOOK AT SOME SORT OF PLAN.
I PUT YOU, YOU ON SPOT, KAREN, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE UNDER YOUR PURVIEW THAN THIS COMMITTEE.
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IT'S DEFINITELY ON OUR THE, ON OUR WORK PLAN FOR 2025 TO TRY TO WORK WITH MSD AND THE CITY ON THAT.AND, AND SO I I, I'M GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE IN JUST A MINUTE TO GO TO ANOTHER MEETING, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE ANY COMMENT THAT THIS BOARD CHOOSES TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, A MASTER PLAN.
DON'T GET IN THE WEEDS ABOUT WHAT IT COSTS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
COULD BE, IF YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THEN, THEN THE STAFF WILL TELL ME ABOUT IT.
WE'LL DISCUSS IT WITH THE COVERING BOARD AND, AND GET WITH THE OTHER ENTITIES, SWISS BEAR AND WHATNOT.
AND THEN WE'LL JUST MOVE ALONG WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO COVER THAT WITH YOU, YOU, IF SOME, SOME ACTIONS TAKEN AFTER I LEAVE.
MARVIN WILL BE HERE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I, I'D LIKE, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, FOR MY CLARIFICATION, WE'LL TALK ABOUT A MASTER PLAN.
THERE'S ALSO PAST BEEN DISCUSSING URBAN DESIGN.
I WAS USING THOSE TERMS INTERCHANGEABLY.
WHEN YOU SAY A MASTER PLAN, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE AN URBAN DESIGN PLAN? YEAH, IT COULD BE.
BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU WEREN'T TALKING SPECIFICALLY TO THIS INNER CORE AREA.
BECAUSE I WOULD REMIND EVERYONE THAT THIS INNER CORE AREA HAS BEEN A POINT OF DISCUSSION AND WORK PRIMARILY BY SWISS BEAR ORIGINALLY FOR PROBABLY 15 TO 20 YEARS.
AND THE IDEA OF GETTING CONSENSUS HAS, UM, ESCAPED EVERY EFFORT FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS BECAUSE THE, THE PROVERBIAL HURTING OF PARENTS.
UM, AND THAT WAS THE REASON THAT THIS COMMITTEE WHEN YOU WERE HERE, UM, DECIDED LET'S LOOK AT THE CITY PROPERTY, WHICH WE CAN CONTROL.
THAT'S A CAT TO HER NOT 20 PLUS CATS.
UM, SO THERE, THERE'S A REASON THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT JUST THE CITY PROPERTY AND GONE FORWARD WITH SUBCOMMITTEES TO REVIEW WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS THERE FOR FEAR OF NOT BUILDING CONSENSUS.
THAT'S BEEN THE CASE FOR DECADES.
SPEAKING OF CONSENSUS, DO YOU NEED PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO WEIGH IN ON THE USE OF THE CITY PROPERTY? YOU DON'T, RIGHT? NO.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IF WE RECOMMEND IT TO, I'M JUST SAYING WE SHOULDN'T YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE WE, IF WE RECOMMEND IT TO THE, THE ALDERMAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAN SAY, YEAH, I'LL PUT TRASH.
WELL, AND YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE THE ALDERMAN'S BATTLE, NOT OURS.
AND, AND CERTAINLY IT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ZONING ORDINANCES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS EASEMENT THING.
UH, AND A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT IS BASICALLY ADVERSE POSSESSION, YOU KNOW, TO UM, OPEN AND NOTORIOUSLY TRESPASS FOR 20 YEARS.
AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THAT RELATES TO THIS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE SAYING THE CITY DID FOR ACCESS TO THAT OR NOT.
I THAT'S A WHOLE, JUST REALLY QUICK.
THERE WAS NOTHING DOWNTOWN WAS DEAD.
SO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, MSD WAS NEW, CAME TO THEM AND SAID, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY IF YOU'LL COME IN AND PAVE IT AND FIX IT BECAUSE WE THINK IF THERE'S PARKING IT'LL MAKE OUR BUILDINGS MORE VALUABLE AND HELP US.
RIGHT? SO THE CITY AGREED IT WAS A 20 YEAR LEASE.
THEY WENT AT LEASE TO THE CITY.
AND THE, THE PROPERTIES, ALL THE, THAT'S WHEN THE, UH, PAVING WAS DONE.
THE PARKING SPACES WERE PUT IN LIGHTING AND THE, THE ROUTE THAT YOU SEE THAT HAPPENED DURING THAT TIME AND THEN WHEN THE 20 YEAR PERIOD WAS UP DOWNTOWN HAD ACHIEVED SOMEWHAT SOME SUCCESS.
AND PEOPLE WERE SAYING, NUH, THAT'S MY PROPERTY.
THESE ARE MY PARKING SPACES, I NEED THEM FOR MY BUILDING.
SO NOW THE PUBLIC CAN'T PARK HERE ANYMORE.
SO THEN THE CITY COULD NOT GET ANYBODY TO COME TO TERMS. AND THAT WAS PROBABLY WHAT, 20 YEARS AGO? 15.
SO IN 2020 THAT HAPPENED 2020.
NO BEFORE THAT? NO, BEFORE THAT.
SO SO IT WAS WHAT YEAR DID THEY THAT PRESCRIPTIVE ETHAN EVENT? SO THEY STARTED DOING THE, UM, ORIGINAL PAVING AND LOT.
I HAVE THE ARTICLE HERE FROM WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE WAS IN 19 82, 2, SO, SO IT WAS 20 YEARS.
SO IN 2002 THE LEASE HAS EXPIRED.
SO SINCE THEN, NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO BRING THE PARTIES TOGETHER TO GET ANOTHER EITHER LEASE OR USE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT HAS BEEN ANOTHER 20 YEARS.
YOU MAY NOT, I MEAN I DON'T THINK YOU NEED THAT.
DO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, RIGHT? SO THE EASEMENT, YOU MIGHT NEED LEGAL DEPEND ON IT.
I DUNNO WHY YOU WOULD, AREN'T YOU GLAD YOU'RE NOT SCOTT DAVIS? YEAH.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO USE IT FOR BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE, YOU'RE NOT UNLOCKED.
UM, WELL IT REALLY KIND OF GOES FROM GRAVE TO CRAVEN, BUT I MEAN WELL THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
BUT AS FAR AS THE EXITS, YOU'RE NOT IN LOCKED IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING.
AND, AND I THINK THE REASON FOR THE DISCUSSION ABOUT RESTRICT EASEMENT IS MORE THEY'RE TRAVERSING THE OTHER PROPERTIES OUTSIDE THE CITY.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEY A TRASH TRUCK.
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RIGHT? TRASH TRUCK COMES IN AND HASAT ONE TIME, THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO OWNED MORGANS DOES NO LONGER OWN MORGANS DECIDED THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT THE CITY WAS DOING AND PUT UH, CINDER BLOCKS ON THEIR PROPERTY LINES.
SO THEN THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO OWNED PROPERTY BEHIND THAT WHO HAD PARKING COULDN'T GET TO THEIR PROPERTY.
BECAUSE IT WAS BLOCKED BECAUSE OF THAT IS THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY DID, DID IT FOR 20 YEARS.
THEY MIGHT HAVE, WELL, I MEAN THEY WOULD, IT IS THEIR PROPERTY.
'CAUSE MOST OF THESE PROPERTIES YOU CAN LOOK HERE AT THIS MAP AND SEE THAT THEY DO EXTEND INTO THIS, I DON'T KNOW, I WOULDN'T CALL IT A RIGHT OF WAY, BUT INTO THIS AREA WHERE PEOPLE TURN AROUND AND PARK PULL IN.
AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT, JUST A LITTLE UPDATE ON MORE DISCUSSION, MORE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.
SO I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD, UM, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT WE'RE GONNA ASK SWISS FAIR TO COME BACK TO US TO TALK ABOUT A, A NEW URBAN DESIGN PLAN.
AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THE WHOLE MSD, NOT NECESSARILY FOR THIS SPACE ITSELF.
UH, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AND FUND THAT OR NOT FUND THAT OR MAKE A RANDOM RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY ABOUT THAT.
UM, I, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CONTRARIAN, BUT UM, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT THIS GROUP FEELS WE NEED AN UPDATED URBAN PLAN.
UM, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT SWISSAIR DOES NOT HAVE A BUDGET FOR A 60, $70,000 URBAN PLAN.
IS THERE A REASON THAT THIS GROUP CAN'T, UM, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ALDERMAN THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN URBAN PLAN? IT'S WAY PAST TIME.
BUT WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER FOR THEM TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS, WE FOUND THE PEOPLE, THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
THIS, THIS SPECIFIC COST IS UNDERSTOOD, 67,000, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WE MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, GET PROPOSALS PERHAPS.
AND THEN I JUST THINK IT WOULD, SO IT'S NOT BACK AND FORTH ONE AND DONE BECAUSE OTHERWISE IF WE RECOMMEND IT TO THE BOARD OF ALMAN, THEN IT GETS KICKED BACK TO THEM AND IT'S BACK AND FORTH AND I THINK ONE FELL SWOOP WOULD MAKE IT EASIER.
SO SWISS BE KIND ENOUGH TO DO SOME LEG WORK FOR US.
AND THAT WOULD BRING IT BACK TO US.
AND THEN AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALL AGREE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AT A COST WE WOULD AGREE ON AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ALDER THEM.
SO, UM, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT, UM, MAYBE, I GUESS ANOTHER WORKSHOP WITH OUR COMMITTEES? AGAIN, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO STAY ON THIS TASK.
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO SOMEWHAT STAY ON THIS PLAN, BUT WE NEED TO WAIT TO GET THE SURVEY SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT, UM, THE UTIL I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE UTILITIES, THE WATER SEWER, BECAUSE REGARDLESS IF WE PUT A COMPACTOR OR NOT, WE PUT IT, WE NEED THE WATER.
WE KNOW THAT THEREFORE WE NEED THE SEWER AND THE ELECTRIC.
SO, UM, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT UTILITIES, WE DON'T WANT TO FORGET.
WE'VE GOT NATURAL GAS BACK THERE.
WE'VE GOT FIBER FOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS, THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER UTILITIES THAT COVER A LOT OF THOSE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE LOCATED.
WE NEED, I, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS THE LIGHTING, MORE LIGHTING BACK THERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, AT NIGHT IT'S DARK AND THAT'S DANGEROUS.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE, FEEL COMFORTABLE TO FLOW BETWEEN THE TWO STREETS, THEREFORE WE WANT ADDITIONAL LIGHTING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA INCLUDE THE, WHAT'S REALLY THE, THE REAL FEDERAL ALLEY.
WE SEE THOSE LINES ON THE SIDE.
IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE COLORED MAP, YOU SEE THE TWO THAT IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS FEDERAL ALLEY BECAUSE THAT WAS WHERE THE TRASH TRUCKS USED TO COME DOWN THROUGH THERE TO PICK UP THE TRASH.
UM, AND WE'VE STARTED TO DO SOME THINGS.
YOU SEE SOME ART BACK THERE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SWISS FAIR HAD STARTED THAT PROJECT.
I BELIEVE WE GOT A $50,000 GRANT, UM, TO DO SOME THINGS BACK THERE.
BUT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT CONTINUE WITH SOME UPGRADES AND LIGHTINGS THAT COULD BE PART OF THIS WHOLE PACKAGE AS WELL.
UM, IN LOOKING AT THAT, THE CITY OF NEW, YES, CITY OF NEW BERN GOT THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, CONTINUING THAT UPGRADE AND KEEPING IT IN LOOKING AT THE PROJECT, IS THAT STILL ACTIVE OR NO, IT'S STILL THERE.
WE'VE GOT THE REMAINING PORTION OF WHAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW IS SOME SIGNAGE, SOME KIND OF SIDE COMING, AND THEN THE LIGHTING, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY PURCHAS, THE LIGHT FIXTURES HAVE ELECTRICAL.
AND THEN BETWEEN, IS THERE AN EXPIRATION ON THOSE? I DUNNO WHAT WE DON'T USE THEM.
WE THOSE ONE, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO POINT IT OUT THAT FEDERAL ALLEY IS CITY PROPERTY AND IT USED TO BE THE TRASH AREA, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE CON WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TRASH COMPACTOR.
AND OF COURSE I LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MIDDLE STREET AND WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF GAR.
WE HAVE OUR GARBAGE IN CONJUNCTION WITH UM, BTM.
SO YOU KNOW, WE GOT A LOT OF CANS BACK THERE.
WE'VE GOT, UH, WE'RE A RESIDENCE AND A BUSINESS AND THEN THERE'S A BUSINESS NEXT DOOR TO ME, AND THEN WE
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HAVE BTMS. SO THE THREE OF US SHARE THAT.AND WE'VE GOT ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 15 CANS BACK THERE WITH THOSE, THOSE FOUR ENTITIES THAT DEAL WITH THAT.
AND UM, GOING BACK TO EVERYBODY POSSIBLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THEIR OWN TRASH SITUATION, THAT IS CITY PROPERTY.
SO THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE'VE NEVER REALLY CONSIDERED ON HOW TO GO BACK AND USE THAT PROPERTY FOR EVERYONE TO BE POSSIBLY, UH, DEALING WITH THEIR OWN GARBAGE VERSUS DEALING WITH THE GROUP SITUATION, WHICH SEEMS TO BE ALWAYS MESSY, DIRTY, UH, EVEN PICKING THINGS.
THERE'S ALWAYS UM, UH, JUST, IT'S JUST ALWAYS NASTY BACK THERE.
THERE'S RATS, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT GO ON THAT WAY.
AND THAT'S YOUR BUILDING? WELL WE ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CHRIS BASS.
SO WE, WE WORK WITH CHRIS BASS AND THEN, UH, THE OLIVE OIL STORE.
BUT WE, WE MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR, ALL OF OUR, WE GOT ABOUT 15 CANS BACK THERE.
IS THAT ENOUGH CANS? IT SEEMS TO BE FOR ALL OF US.
I MEAN, I HAVE A, A REGULAR TRASH CAN RECYCLE OLIVE OIL HAS THE SAME THING.
AND THEN BTM MOSTLY HAS RECYCLED BECAUSE MOST OF THEM IS BOTTLES.
THEY DON'T DO FOOD, BUT MOST OF IT IS BOTTLES AND WHATEVER ELSE.
BUT WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, EVERYTHING GETS WHEELED OUT ON MONDAY MORNING.
WELL, THEY COME EVERY DAY TO, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH THEIR CANS.
BUT THE REST OF US, WE DO MONDAYS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOUTH ROW STREET LINED WITH TRASH CANS AND THEN MONDAY AFTERNOON WE PULL, YOU KNOW, THEY COME EARLY.
SO MICHAEL LEE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT FEDERAL ALLEY WOULD BE A PLACE FOR ALL THOSE CANS FOR THOSE, I'M MAKING THAT SUGGESTION FOR US TO CONSIDER IT BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER DISCUSSED IT AND IT IS CITY PROPERTY.
WELL, THAT, THAT'S, WELL BUT THEN DOES THAT PUT US IN THAT SITUATION AGAIN WHERE THE, THE CITY SAID WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE TRASH BUSINESS.
AND THEN PUBLIC WORKS IS MAINTAINING THAT, WHICH I DON'T THINK GRASS MAKE PRETTY
IT WANTS TO WALK BY TRASH CANS IN JAIL.
HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE SPRUCE SOME FEDERAL ALLEY TO MAKE, UH, THE TRASH CANS MORE INVISIBLE? YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE ALL THERE VERSUS A BIG TRASH CAN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INNER CORE.
SO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INNER CORE WHERE WE WANT TO DO A NICE SIDEWALK THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO CRAVEN STREET SO PEOPLE CAN ACCESS CRAVEN STREET, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
AND AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED THAT MASTER PLAN.
I NEED A, A DETAILED DESIGN OF THAT THAT, UM, I'M, I'M GONNA CALL IT UH, UM, BEAR PLAZA EXTENSION.
YOU KNOW, IT REALLY, REALLY SHOULD BE BEAR PLAZA EXTENSION.
'CAUSE WHEN WE'RE THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT IS CORRECT, I AGREE.
BUT INCORPORATED WITH THAT COULD BE SOME SORT OF, UM, DECORATIVE WALL WHERE THE TRASH IS BEHIND THAT.
SO PEOPLE, PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH THERE ARE NOT SEEING IT.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED THROUGH THE, THE DETAILS.
A BRICK WALL HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSION AROUND IT, NOT A COMPLETE BRICK WALL.
OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THAT ROOM FOR THE TRUST CITY CODE AND REQUIRES THE BUFFER FARRIER VISUAL SCREENING.
THAT'S A DEF FACTO HBC REGULATES THE HEIGHT OF THAT WALL.
COULD WE GET A, COULD WE GET OVER THAT? COULD WE GET A VARIANCE OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, JUST TO MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY.
I MEAN IT GOES BACK TO THE OLD DISNEY ENGINEERING IDEA MAKING SOMETHING UTILITIES INVISIBLE GEORGE'S UM, JAMES REED LANE OWNED BY THE CITY.
COULD WE REQUEST THAT FEATURE VERSIONS OF THIS SHOW THAT I'LL SEE, SEE IF WE, I NOT SURE.
WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T SHOW IT.
EVEN JUST THROW THE ORANGE LINES ON THERE.
AND I WOULD ADD THAT, UM, FEDERAL ALLEY HAS A LOT OF ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA ON THERE.
IT'S QUITE AN NARROW, I THINK IT WAS AN ALLEY FOR HORSE-DRAWN WAGONS, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
HOW FUN WOULD THAT BE TO PICK UP THE TRASH WITH HORSES? OH, COME ON.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF, OF TRASH GOING THERE BETWEEN THE, AND AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN THROUGH SOME BEAUTIFICATION FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
SO I'M IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME.
'CAUSE I'M GONNA TRY TO, WE GOT SOME OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO DISCUSS TO MOVE ALONG.
AND I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
THE TRASH, UM, HAVE WE EVER CONSIDERED THE LARGER ROLLING TRASH CANS THAT, THAT ARE USED IN MANY CITIES, UM, THAT MOVE TOWARDS THE USERS OR THE, THE, UH, FOLKS THAT CREATE THE TRASH AND THEN ARE ROLLED NOT JUST THE SMALL 55 GALLON ONES, BUT, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE, ARE BINS THAT ARE THEN PICKED UP BY GFL OR,
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OR THE LIKE, SO THAT THEY ARE MOBILE, BUT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SECURED CLOSER TO THE, THE RESTAURANTS OR THE BUSINESSES THAT GENERATE THE TRASH.UM, V YOU CAN TELL ME THIS AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S HOW WE WERE THEN THERE WAS ALL THESE FIVE GALLON TRASH THINGS BEHIND MY PLACE BEHIND A C AND THEN YOU HAD ALL THESE, SO THEN WE TRIED TO CONSOLIDATE.
BUT AS A RESTAURANT, HIGH USAGE OF TRASH, CERTAINLY NOT MARS MORGANS AND ALL THAT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRASH GENERATED BACK THERE.
AND IT'S A, UM, WE CAN'T USE 20, YOU KNOW, 20 CANS AND I FILL UP A, I FILL UP 10 IN A DAY AND YOUR THANK THANK YOU
THANK YOU FOR INSURING AGAIN THIS, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE CAN BEAT THE HORSE TO DEATH BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT NEEDS.
AND THE WHOLE IDEA IN LOOKING AT THIS WAS TO CONSOLIDATE, WAS TO TRY NOT TO HAVE 20, 20 TRASH THINGS.
YOU KNOW, IT USED TO LOOK SO UNSIGHTLY.
YOU'D GO BACK THERE AND YOU'D SEE MAYBE 15 OF THOSE 20 GALLONS OF SMALLER ROLL CARTS AND YOU KNOW, HAVE PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH THAT DID SMELL IN THE SUMMERTIME PLUS THE TRASH FROM THE, UH, RESTAURANTS MADE IT REALLY DIFFICULT.
SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO LOOK AT.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GET IDEAS.
THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF, AGAIN, LOOKED AT THE TRASH COMPACT.
'CAUSE HOW DO WE TAKE THE VOLUME AND REDUCE IT TO A SMALLER VOLUME AND NOT HAVE SEEN ANY TRASH CAN? AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WEREN'T IN ON THE COMMITTEE, THE TRASH COMPACTOR WOULD NOT BE OWNED BY THE CITY.
THE COMPACTOR IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE TRASH COMPANY AND THAT ALL THE MECHANISMS ARE SELF-CONTAINED WITHIN THAT COMPACTOR AND THEY TRADE IT OUT.
SO IT'S, THEY TAKE THE WHOLE THING AWAY AND BRING, AND IF YOU WANT BACK, THAT'S THE PROCESS.
UH, BACK TO, SINCE WE'RE IN THE IDEA PHASE, HAVE, HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE ROLLER BINS THAT THAT CAN BE AS AN ALTERNATIVE? WE, WE JUST SAID NO ONE WANTS TO WALK PAST SMELLY TRASH AND WE HAVE TOO MUCH TO DO, BUT SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES CAN BE THOSE, THOSE WHEEL BINS THAT CITIES HAVE USED.
WHAT IS THE CAPACITY? I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE CAPACITY OF THE, IF THE CAPACITY IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH, THEY WOULD STAY, I GUESS AT THE BACK DOOR.
I GUESS THEY WOULD STAY AT THE BACK DOOR OF YOUR PROPERTY.
AND THEN WHAT WHEELED WOULD IT BE PICKED UP EVERY DAY BETWEEN PROPERTIES? AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S CAPACITY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE SEEN ANYTHING.
I DON'T KNOW GFL EXPLORE THAT AS AN ALTERNATIVE.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN PUT, ARE YOU TALKING LIKE THE GREEN BINS BEHIND THE CONDOS THAT BEHIND THAT WALL THOUGH? THOSE WE ALL USE AND CLEARLY, BUT THERE ARE LARGER BINS THAT ARE ON WHEELS.
WE HAVE RED, OUR BLUE ONES, SKY STILL HAS BLUE ONES THAT ARE TAKEN OUT, UM, EVERY WEEK.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER.
I WAS GONNA SAY THEY'RE PROBABLY BETWEEN A HUNDRED AND 150 GALLON WOULD, I GUESS PROBABLY NOT LARGE ENOUGH AS THE DUMPSTER COUNTY.
THEY'RE FRONT LOAD, BUT THEY'RE NOT.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOTTA CONSIDER THE, THE CANS THAT ARE EXISTING AND MORNINGS GET SERVICED EVERY DAY.
IS THIS SOMETHING THE TRASH SUBCOMMITTEE CAN CONSIDER? YES.
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE LANDLOCKED AND DON'T HAVE MUCH OUTSIDE PROPERTY TO PUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
SO YOU WOULD NEED ANOTHER CONCERTED EFFORT OF HERDING CATS TO GET THOSE THINGS PLACED SOMEWHERE.
THAT'S JUST ONE ISSUE THAT I CAN SEE ARISING.
ALSO WITH THE VOLUME, WHERE YOU GONNA TAKE IT WHEN IT'S FULL ANYWAY? WHERE, WHERE ARE WE TAKING IT? AND ALSO DEPENDING ON THE WEIGHT, AN EMPLOYEE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VARIOUS SIZES OF EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE MSD PAYING FOR A PART-TIME PERSON TO KIND OF WALK AROUND AND MAINTAIN THIS WHOLE TRASH IDEA.
YOU KNOW, CLEAN UP SOME THINGS IF THERE'S A COMPACTOR.
IS MSD PAYING FOR THAT PICKUP? NO, THE BUSINESS, THE BUSINESS PAYING THAT THROUGH GFL.
THEY EACH HAVE TO THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH THE TRASH COMMITTEE AT PARTICULARLY ASKING RESTAURANTS, WHAT'S YOUR VOLUME? HOW MANY CANS WOULD IT BE? WHERE COULD YOU STORE 'EM? HOW OFTEN WOULD THEY NEED TO BE EMPTIED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AGAIN, UM, SO WE ARE GONNA WAIT FOR THE SURVEY BECAUSE IT'S SOMETIME IN MARCH.
UM, AND I'LL LET FOSTER LOOK AT THAT.
AND IF WE NEED TO CALL A WORKSHOP, WE'LL CALL A WORKSHOP.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUST MOVE ON TO THE WORK, UH, CROSSWALK DISCUSSION.
AT THE LAST MEETING, AGAIN, WE ASKED, UM, GEORGE TO GO BACK BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT UPGRADING THE CROSSWALKS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE EXISTING PAVERS THAT CAME FROM UNDERNEATH THE STREET AND SEVERAL OTHER THINGS.
SO YOU WERE GONNA GET THAT INFORMATION AND BRING BACK AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BACK TO THIS, THE, THE SIMILAR INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED TO YOU BEFORE ABOUT,
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ABOUT THE BRICKS.UM, WE HAVE, WE'VE GOT THE INFORMATION ON LET, ON LET MAIN OFFICIAL ASSISTANT, UH, PUBLIC WORK TO DISCUSS THE PRICING STILL.
THAT, THAT WE HAD GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE BRICK OPTION AND THEN THE THERMAL PULL OPTION.
THE BRICK OPTION IS MORE SUITABLE ON INTERSECTION THAT WE CAN SHUT DOWN FOR A MORE SUBSTANTIAL, UH, TIME PERIOD.
UM, AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY ONTO THE HIGHER VOLUME TRAFFIC ROADS, LIKE IN FRONT OF THE BRIDGE AT POINT, THAT ONE MAY BE DIFFICULT TO DO IN REAL BRICK JUST FOR THE, THE FACT THEY'RE TRYING TO SHUT THAT INTERSECTION DOWN FOR 14 DAYS.
10 14 DAYS IS NOT REALLY FEASIBLE.
WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SEVERAL OF OUR TRAFFIC SIGNALS ALL GOING DOWN EACH FRONT AND THEN DOWN BROAD HAVE, UH, LOOP SYSTEMS IN 'EM.
SO YOU HAVE INTEGRATED HARDWARE IN THE PAVEMENT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION ALSO, AS YOU TRY TO INTRODUCE, UH, CROSSWALKS OR ANY KIND OF, UM, SURFACE THAT WOULD JUST DISTURB THOSE LOOPS WHERE WE HAVE TO REPLACE THEM OR ALL OF THEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO PICK ONE INTERSECTION AND LET US DO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET THROUGH DOWNTOWN BY, BY, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PICK HERE, THERE LOOKING AT IT AS A, AS A TOTALITY OF THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, OUR INITIAL THOUGHT IS THE P*****K AND CRAVEN INTERSECTION IN FRONT OF CITY HALL WOULD BE A GREAT ONE TO START OFF.
UM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND DOING THOSE IN BRICK.
WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND USING HISTORIC BRICK AS HISTORIC BRICK IS NOT TRAFFIC RATED, AND IT WOULD TAKE GREAT REPLACEMENT EVERY TIME THEY'RE BROKEN.
SO WE CAN USE A BRICK THAT'S VERY SIMILAR, BUT IT'S A MODERN BRICK THAT'S ALL TRAFFIC RANGE PUT DOWN.
THAT WAY WE COULD CLOSE THE LEGS OF INTERSECTION, SAY ON POLY, DO BOTH SIDES, AND THEN CLOSE THE LEGS ON CRAVEN AND DO THOSE WITHOUT IMPACTING TRAFFIC TREMENDOUSLY DOWNTOWN.
IT'LL BE AN INCONVENIENCE, BUT WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT.
UM, THE PRICING THAT WE PROVIDED, UH, PREVIOUSLY WAS JUST ABOUT 12 MONTHS OLD MAYBE.
NOW THIS WAS PRICING THAT WAS ACTUALLY UTILIZED BY CONTRACTOR IN GREENVILLE THAT
AND SO THEY HAVE INSTALLED THESE BRICK CROSSWALK.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS, AS A, AS A POINT IF, IF THIS IS SOMETHING Y'ALL WOULD REALLY LIKE TO PUSH ON, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE, THE PILOT AND CR AN INTERSECTION AS A STARTING POINT.
LET US WORK THROUGH ONE IS THIS THE HUNDRED 57? FIVE 90? UM, I'LL LET DAVE, THEY PROVIDE SOME PRICING HERE ON IT.
AND THIS IS, AND, AND THIS PROJECT, LIKE ANY PROJECT THAT WE UNDERTAKE OF THIS SIZE, WE WOULD GET CONSTRUCTION PLAN AND HAVE IT BID OUT.
SO WE HAVE TO BID OUT AND RECEIVE THAT BIDDING ON IT TO GET BEST, MOST
NOW, UM, I I DON'T HOLD YOU VERY TIGHT BECAUSE SURPRISED EVERY TIME WE BID ANYTHING CURRENTLY THAT'S A BALLPARK.
WE FEEL FAIRLY COMFORTABLE THAT THAT IS A, UH, CONTRACTOR FROM EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA AND HE'S PERFORMED WORKFORCE BEFORE.
SO I, I DON'T SEE A, WE HADN'T SEEN A HUGE, UM, PRICE INCREASE ON CONCRETE RECENTLY.
BRICKS PROBABLY NOT CHANGE PER COST.
SO THOSE WOULD BE THE, THE MATERIAL WISE ON THAT.
SO WE, WE STILL HAVE TO ENCUMBER THE INTERSECTION FOR SOME PERIOD.
AND WHEN WE DO THESE THINGS DOWNTOWN, WE PLAN ANY LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT IN THE INTERSECTION.
WE TRY TO DO IT AFTER THE FIRST THREE YEARS TO BEGIN THE SPRING.
THAT'S WHEN WE DON'T HAVE CITY FESTIVALS DOWNTOWN.
WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T DO THIS WHEN THERE ARE PARADES OR STREET CLOSURES OR
WE HAVE A WINDOW TO DO HEAVY INFRASTRUCTURE DOWNTOWN.
SO WE'RE IN THAT WINDOW RIGHT NOW.
AND IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS TO GET THIS OUT FROM TODAY WHAT WE CAN, ALL WE CAN DO IS REALLY SUGGEST TO THE ALDERMAN AND THE ALDERMAN WOULD HAVE TO PLACE IT ON THE AGENDA, GO FORWARD.
SO THAT COULD BE ANOTHER MONTH PROCESS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
BUT, BUT WE COULD GET IT UP AND WE CAN WORK AROUND SCHEDULES.
DOWNTOWN CRAIG IS NOT LIKE, AS IMPACTFUL AS MIDDLE IS.
SO WHEN WE GET THE MIDDLE, THINK ABOUT SCHEDULING A LITTLE.
SO, SO FOR CLARITY, UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERMO PRINT BRICK IN A FOUR SQUARE IN THE INTERSECTION? NO, ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY FRAME WE USE REAL BRICK.
THAT IS, UM, THAT COMES ACROSS FROM CHRYSLER DISTANCES TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
SO IT IT'D BE THAT SIMILAR STYLE.
IS THERE ANY TRAFFIC SLOWING WITH
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RAISED BRICK OR ANYTHING TO WE, WE WOULD NOT DO TAKE THE TOP AREA.OKAY, SO IT'S JUST A COSMETIC IMPROVEMENT? IT, IT WOULD BE, YEAH.
MAKE IT A LITTLE SAFER THOUGH.
I THINK PEOPLE SEE CROSSWALKS LIKE THAT.
WE TEND TO SLOW DOWN MAYBE WHEN THEY'RE COMING AND SEEING PEOPLE.
CAN WE, CAN WE PUT THE BEAR ANOTHER BEAR? I, WE CAN POSSIBLY PUT A BEAR IN THERE BECAUSE THAT IN ANOTHER CROSSWALK.
SO ARE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT TRADITIONAL BRICK, CRAVEN AND POLY THEN THE PLAST ON THE OTHER TWO INTERSECTIONS? WELL, NOT, BUT, BUT AS WE LOOK AT, AT THE ONES MAINLY ON, UM, FROM THE BRIDGE GOING TO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, UM, ANY CROSSWALK THERE AND THEN POSSIBLY DOWN SOME OLD BRAWL THAT HAVE LOOP SYSTEMS TIED INTO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
PRETTY MUCH EAST FRONT STREET AND BROAD STREET.
YEAH, THOSE, THOSE MAY BE TOUGHER.
NOW I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T DO 'EM, BUT, BUT I THINK WE COULD INSTALL THE, THE REAL BRICK, UM, ON, ON THE PILOT INTERSECTIONS AND THEN POSSIBLY SOME ON THE SOUTH FRONT STREET INTERSECTION.
THAT'S REALLY THE FACT OF THE DETOUR ROOM.
NOT SAYING MUCH THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC ITSELF.
YEAH, WE JUST, WHEN THEY COME TO THE FOOT, THE BRIDGE, WE HAVE NO PLACE TO SEND THEM.
IF IT GETS APPROVED AND THEN ANOTHER 14 DAYS TO COMPLETION.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WISH? WELL, NOT THAT QUICK.
SO THEN, THEN, THEN WE HAVE, THEN WE HAVE A, A CONTRACT THAT, THAT THEN WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CONTRACT PROCESS AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THEIR SCHEDULE AND GIVE A NOTICE TO PROCEED.
YOU KNOW, AS, AS YOU DO THAT INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH CONTRACTS, YOU SEE WHAT THEIR OPEN SCHEDULE IS TOO.
AND THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION SELECTING A CONTRACT.
SO IF WE, IF WE SAY TO MOVE FORWARD AND THEN IT GOES TO THE PROCESS OF THE ALDERMAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT NEXT JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH TO DO THIS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YOU KNOW, WHICH IS NOT, NOT, I MEAN, WE MAY BE ABLE TO SQUEEZE IT IN.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE COULDN'T.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO, VERY QUICKLY, WE'RE GONNA GET BACK INTO THE HIGH TRAFFIC PEDESTRIAN EVEN DOWNTOWN.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF Y'ALL WANT SEND BACK OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, ANYBODY? I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD.
AT LEAST LET US TRY ONE AND WE CAN SEE HOW IT LOOKS, HOW IT FEELS.
THE MOTION IS THAT I, YEAH, I GUESS SO.
WE CAN PROBABLY, PROBABLY GO AHEAD AND JUST SOME MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO THE ALDERMAN THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE CROSSWALK AT THE INTERSECTION OF P*****K AND CRAVEN.
WE'RE TALKING ONE CROSSWALK, WELL INTERSECTION.
ONE CROSSWALK CROSSWALKS AT ONE INTERSECTION, ALSO PUT IN THERE NON HISTORIC BRICK, NON NON TRADITIONAL TRAFFIC RATE.
WE'LL GET, I MEAN THEY, THEY MAY HAVE SOME MODULES THAT ARE VERY CLOSE TO
I HOPE WE GET, SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION UP,
UM, TO, UM, TO APPROACH THE ALDERMAN TO, UH, TO LOOK INTO A BID FOR, UH, PAVING WITH TRADITIONAL NON HISTORIC BRICKS FOR CRAVEN AND P*****K STREET CROSSWALK.
CROSSWALKS FOUR CROSSWALK INTERSECTION, THE COMPLETED INTER INTERSECTION.
TEAMWORK MAKES THE DREAM WORK.
OKAY, SO I HAVE A MOTION AND THAT MOTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE, UH, BOARD ALDERMAN WITH, UH, A REDO OF THE INTERSECTION AT CRAVEN AND P*****K WITH NON HISTORIC, TRADITIONAL TRADITIONAL BRICK.
OKAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES, PLEASE, SIR.
FOR CLARITY IS THIS LAST PAGE OF THIS PACKET THAT UNDER TRADITIONAL BREAK WE'RE LOOKING AT A, THIS THIS PROGRAM HERE, THIS, THIS IS MORE RECOMMENDED TO THE ALMAN AND THE ESTIMATED COST IS THREE QUARTERS OF MONEY.
NO, BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY DOING ONE.
SO I I JUST HEARD CRAVEN AND HOLLOW.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EIGHT INTERSECTIONS.
SO I THINK THAT NUMBER IS FOR ALL TOTAL EIGHT.
SO WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING THAT WE JUST DO ONE OF THEM.
THAT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND AT SEVEN.
DO WE HAVE THAT PROPOSAL TO, TO VOTE ON OR IS IT WE'RE JUST GONNA TEASE, THEY WILL ASK FOR BIDS FOR THE WORK.
IS THERE A REASON? WE ARE, WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ALL OF THEM FOR THE WELL, BECAUSE WE WANT TO TRY, THEY WANT TO TRY ONE AND WE'RE GONNA GET THE LAY OF THE LAND, I GUESS AND SEE IF, BUT SHOULDN'T WE EMPOWER THE ALDERMAN TO VOTE ON IT AND THEN THEY CAN, THEY CAN PARCEL THAT MONEY OUT TO, TO DO IT? OR ARE WE GONNA DICTATE WHETHER WE LIKE THE LOOK OF IT OR NOT? WITH MSD MONEY, UH, I DON'T DUNNO HOW WORD THIS, BUT I, I THINK TRYING ONE AND LET'S, LET'S GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS
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AND YOU KNOW, PRICING CONTRACT OR WHATEVER, IT'S EASY ENOUGH ONCE YOU GET IT GOING TO GO BACK AND SAY, ONCE WE DO THE FIRST ONE AND WE LIKE IT, THEN WE'LL DO, THEN LET'S DO THE OTHER SEVEN THEN.THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING BECAUSE YOU MADE THE RECOMMENDATION.
LET'S START WITH ONE AND SEE HOW IT GOES.
TAKING THE FEASIBILITY, SAY YOU APPROVED ALL THE INTERSECTIONS, IT WOULD STILL PROBABLY TAKE 12 TO 18 MONTHS OF CONSTRUCTION TIME AS WE WORK AROUND CITY FESTIVALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WORKING FROM INTERSECTION TO INTERSECTION.
SO IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T ALL HAPPEN IN A 14 DAY WINDOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO THIS PATH OF ONE INTERSECTION AT A TIME TIMELY SCHEDULE WISE, THAT THAT PROBABLY WORKS BETTER WITH DOWNTOWN FOOT TRAFFIC AND IMPACTING THINGS.
SO THAT FEASIBILITY ONE AT A TIME JUST AS WELL AND FOR HISTORY TOO.
DID, ISN'T THAT HOW HE DID ALL THE PAPERS ON THE STREET WE PUT ON THE STREET AT A TIME? CORRECT.
ANOTHER BLOCK THAT DO WE, THIS WOULD MAYBE BE AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR THING, BUT DO WE WANT TO SUGGEST ANY KIND OF CAP ON EXPENSES? I MEAN, IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY 200,000 FOR THAT ONE INTERSECTION, WOULD WE STILL RECOMMEND THAT? I'M NOT SURE.
WE WOULDN'T, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN IF IT, IF IF IT'S, I GUESS THAT'S 50% MORE OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, IT REALLY IS ONE QUESTION.
I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND WE WANT TO DO IT.
THE, YOU'VE GOT TWO ALDERMEN HERE.
I THINK THEY SEE WHAT OUR INTENT IS.
OUR INTENT IS TO UPGRADE CROSSWALK AND LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GONNA BE THAT CRAZY BEYOND WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT HERE, I'M SURE THEY WOULD SAY.
LET'S GO BACK TO THE MSD QUESTION.
WOULD YOU AGREE ALDERMAN, STER AND ALDERMAN, UH, RALPH? WELL I THINK ONCE HE GOES ON BIDS HE PROBABLY SHOULD GIVE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU GUYS AND MAYBE YOU GUYS DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH THAT COST.
AND WE COULD DO THAT BY JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE AND HAVE A QUICK, THIS IS FOUR RECOMMEND PROJECTS OR THAT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY BE SPENT ON THE PROJECT.
SO YOU NEED THE INFORMATION FIRST, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL WE, WE'VE GOTTEN THE INFORMATION AS FAR AS CROSS, SO MAYBE YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
WE COULD SAY UP, UP TO 150, YOU KNOW, BUT IF THAT WOULD HELP, IF YOU WANT TO AMEND TO THAT OR WHATEVER PERCENTAGE YOU THINK, WELL, WHOEVER'S GOING TO BE DOING IT KNOWS THAT THERE'S SEVEN MORE TO FOLLOW.
SO IT WOULD BE IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO DO IT AS UH, AS EFFECTIVELY AND AS INEXPENSIVELY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE GIVE THEM SEVEN MORE TO DO.
I MEAN IS THAT LIKE PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS IF I GAVE THEM $7 AT ONE TIME, I'M LIKE, BUT THERE COULD BE THAT PROMISE.
WE PICK, WE PICK QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS.
UM, YEAH, SO, SO WE HAVE A COMFORT LEVEL WITH THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOW UP TO BID REPETITIVELY ON SIMILAR WORK REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THEIR WORK.
IF THEY'RE CONTRACTED IN OTHER PLACES, WE MAY NOT SEE THEM AT BID.
SO ME TO HAVE COMFORT IN SAYING YOU'RE GONNA GET THE SAME PRICE SEVEN TIMES IN A ROW FOR NOT ABLE TAKE THAT AT ALL.
SO I HAVE A MOTION AND I HAVE A SECOND.
IS THERE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT OR NOT? OKAY, SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE A ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.
UM, NEXT, UH, MR. WILLIAMS, DO YOU HAVE MSD PROJECT PROPOSALS? IF YOU ALL REMEMBER ON OUR WEBSITE PEOPLE CAN PROPOSE PROJECTS TO US AND I'M SORRY THAT WE'RE OVER TIME RIGHT NOW.
WE'LL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND UM, I GUESS THERE WERE ONE OR TWO SUBMITTED, IS THAT CORRECT? YES MA'AM.
ONE WAS FOR, UM, UH, A REQUEST WAS FOR SOME, UH, WATER THEN THAT WE GOT THE WATERFRONT COMMUNITY.
THEY WANTED TO SEE IF WE WOULD CONSIDER MORE DOCKAGE, UH, DOWNTOWN SO THAT UH, TOURISTS CAN UTILIZE DOWNTOWN MORE, UM, MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE, UH, FOR MORE DOCKS.
AND THE SECOND ONE, UH, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR DIGITAL SIGNS FOR WAFA, WAYFAIR AND SIGNS.
AND WE HAD GOTTEN, UH, HAD SPOKEN TO, I THINK IT CAME FROM MR. ROBINSON REGARDING UH, ONE COMPANY, UH, THAT DOES THE I SIGNS AND THEY INDICATED THAT THE SIZE OF OUR, RIGHT NOW THEY CURRENTLY ONLY GO TO LIKE THE TOP, UH, LARGEST CITIES.
SO WE DON'T FIT UH, WE DON'T FIT INTO THEIR CATEGORIES RIGHT NOW, BUT UH, WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT INTO OTHER OPTIONS.
BUT THOSE WERE THE TWO THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR ON THE DOCKAGE ONE.
I THINK, THINK WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT AND WE DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WAS IN THE, I DON'T THINK THEY PAY MSD TAX
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THE WATER.YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW THE WATER, THE WATER'S EDGE, NOT OUT OVER THE WATER, SO.
ALRIGHT, THE ONLY OTHER SUGGESTION WE HAD THAT WE DID GET SOME INPUT FROM, UH, THE CITY CLERK REGARDING, UH, CONCERNS WITH THE MEETING TIME, WHAT TIME THE MEETINGS ARE, SO FOR YOU ALL CONSIDERATION? WELL, BACK TO THAT, I HAVE NOT SUBMITTED THE WAYFAIR THING BECAUSE I WAS UP IN CINCINNATI, UM, THIS SUMMER AND I SAW A REALLY, REALLY COOL SIGN.
IT WAS ABOUT SEVEN FEET TALL BY THREE FEET WIDE.
IT WAS BASICALLY A BIG IPAD AND YOU CAN CLICK ON IT AND SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON AT A CERTAIN AREA.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I SENT THEM.
AND UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER VENDORS OUT THERE SIMILAR TO THAT? I JUST, I TOOK A PICTURE OF THAT AND SAID IT DIFFERENT TO THEM, BUT IF THEY'RE TURNING DOWN BUSINESS, I WANT TO GET IN THEIR BUSINESS.
YEAH, WELL THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.
UM, WENT THROUGH OUR PIO AND SHE'S STILL LOOKING INTO WHO'S CURIOUS ON THE OPTIONS.
THE MAIN STREET CONFERENCE MIGHT HAVE A VENDOR THERE THAT MIGHT DO THAT.
I CAN TALK TO MELISSA ABOUT IT AS WELL.
UH, MELISSA SHE'S BEEN LOOKING AT, HAS BEEN LOOKING AT THAT, SO THAT'S SOMETHING SHE AND I HAVE, HAVE ON OUR PLAN TOGETHER TO WORK ON.
SO WE'LL LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO FORMALLY SUBMIT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY COOL AND IT'D BE SOMETHING AS YOU'RE WALKING AROUND TOWN AND, YOU KNOW, IF MAKER'S KITCHEN WAS PUT A OPEN THESE HOURS OR, OR SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS, YOU KNOW, MJS WANTS TO PUT A DINNER SPECIAL ON THERE OR SOMETHING.
WE ALSO, WERE TRYING TO LOOK AT IF, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO BOOK THINGS ON.
UM, LIKE SOME OF THE BOAT TOURS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS WIFI CONNECTED, THEN THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN BOOK, UH, TRAVEL LIKE THOSE LITTLE TRIPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON THAT SIGN BECAUSE THE, THE, THEY DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL STOREFRONT OR SPACE DOWNTOWN THAT THEY CAN DO THAT.
SO, AND I ALSO, UM, IN, IN WORKING WITH GRETCHEN, SHE LEFT THIS WITH ME AND UM, JUST FOR US TO RECONSIDER THE EXPANSION OF THE PAVER PAVERS ALONG THE 100 AND 200 BLOCKS OF P*****K STREET, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE FAVORS, THEY HAD SCORING DOWN THOSE STREETS.
SO JUST UH, UM, JUST TO REMEMBER DOING THE SIDEWALK AREA AS IT WAS DONE ALONG THE 500 BLOCK OF PILE OUTSIDE TRIUM PALACE, WHICH I THINK IS KIND OF, UM, WITH STONES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, ULTIMATELY WE WANNA GO DOWN EAST FRONT STREET AND CONTINUE THE PAVERS DOWN THERE.
WE'RE GOING HOPEFULLY WORK WITH THE CITY AT SOME POINT WITH THEIR NEW PIER AND MAYBE A ROADWAY TO THAT PIER.
UM, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH US UP UPGRADING THE CROSSWALKS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, UM, ENTIRE MSD AND MULTI-PHASE PROJECT, BEGINNING WITH MIDDLE AND CRAVEN.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THAT SO GREAT, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND THEN OF COURSE BEAUTIFICATION OF FEDERAL ALLEY UP TO MIDDLE STREET AND FROM MIDDLE TO HANCOCK, MORE BENCHES, LIGHTING, PLANTINGS, MURALS.
I THINK WE ALL WANNA SEE THAT AND IT'S A GOOD, UM, ASSOCIATION WITH THE UM, ARTS COUNCIL.
I'D LIKE TO SEE US WORK MORE WITH THE ARTS COUNCIL AND PUTTING PUBLIC ART.
WE'VE GOT AN ORGANIZATION THERE THAT HAS WONDERFUL BACKGROUND ON THAT TO DO THAT.
AND OF COURSE THE PLANTS AND THINGS, BUT THEN IT GETS INTO HOW DO WE WATER THEM? HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
BUT IT WOULD BE NICE 'CAUSE WE GO TO MANY COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY HAVE THE LIGHT POLES THAT WE SEE THE PLANTS HANGING AND THEY'RE JUST GORGEOUS.
BUT HOW DO WE WATER? WE HAVE NO WATER SOURCE DOWN THERE SO THAT GUY THAT MAINTAINS THE TRASH CAN GO.
THAT WOULD BE THAT IT A GOOD JOB.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIP.
YOU JUST VOLUNTEERED FOR THAT.
PICKING UP CIGARETTE BUD AS WELL.
ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST SOMETHING, MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL TRASH CAN OUT IN FRONT OF PINKY'S.
UH, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH JEFF ABOUT IT AND IT SEEMS TO BE A PLACE YOU HAVE TO GO.
YOU HAVE TO WALK A CERTAIN DISTANCE THAT'S KIND OF REALLY FAR TO GET TO THE CLOSEST TRASH.
YOU WALK ALL THE WAY AT THE FRONT STREET FOR THE CLOSEST ONE OR WELL, THERE'S ONE AT BEAR PLAZA.
WELL THAT'S A GOOD DISTANCE FROM, FROM OUR PLACE.
AND WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
AND IT WOULD, YEAH, BECAUSE WE'RE CONSTANTLY SWEEPING UP AND MOVING STUFF IN.
I MEAN, IT, IT WOULD REALLY HELP JUST, IT WOULD REALLY HELP.
IT WAS ALSO, UM, SOMEONE FROM A COUPLE FROM SKY SALE SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE REALLY GREAT IF WE HAD A COUPLE OF BENCHES ALONG THE RIVER WALK WHERE PEOPLE COULD WATCH THE SUNSET AND WATCH THE TRAIN AS IT, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
SO JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING THE RIVER WALK, THERE'S NOTHING, UH, ONCE YOU LEAVE THE MARINA AS YOU HEAD TOWARDS THE RAILROAD TRACKS, SO A COUPLE OF BENCHES AND A COUPLE MORE TRASH CANS I THINK WOULD BE A WONDERFUL THING FOR VISITORS.
AND IF EVERYBODY WALKS AT NIGHT, WE ALL WALK ALL NIGHT.
CERTAINLY, AND I WOULD ALSO, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW IDEAS, UM, BENCH
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DIVIDE, I KNOW IT'S COME UP ON THE COMMITTEE BEFORE BENCH DIVIDE ARE ARE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WHERE DO WE STAND AS A COMMITTEE RECOMMENDING TO THE ALTERNATE TO, WELL WE DID, FOSTER AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT MANY TIMES AND HE SAID, BECAUSE IT DOES HELP WITH THE SLEEPING POPULATION BECAUSE BY PUTTING THE DIVIDERS ON THERE, RIGHT.UM, AS THE COMMITTEE FORWARDED A RECOMMENDATION TO THE DER YES, I HAVE, I I DON'T KNOW RICK FOLLOW, I HAVE TALKED TO HIM SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THAT.
DOES, AS A NEW COMMITTEE MEMBER, HOW DO WE BRING IDEAS HERE SO THAT WE CAN MAYBE MOVE FORWARD ON IT? WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THAT SAYS MSD PROJECT PROPOSALS.
SO WE TAKE THOSE FROM THE, THE PUBLIC AND OR, AND OURSELVES.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE TIME THAT YOU WOULD DO SO THEN I DO NOTE, UH, THAT PROPOSAL THAT THAT, UH, THERE ARE SMALL PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED A YEAR AGO AND WE WERE FORMING THIS COMMITTEE AND ONE OF THEM WAS, WAS BENCH DIVIDE.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S BROUGHT UP BY, BY MANY FOLKS, RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS ALIKE, THAT, THAT IF WE COULD PUT BENCH DIVIDERS UP, RECOMMEND M MSS D FUNDS BE USED FOR THAT, IT BENEFITS EVERYTHING NEEDS ALL OF THAT.
YEAH, DOES, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
AND I, I MEAN, I ASKED FOR THOSE SEVERAL YEARS IN A ROW BECAUSE OF ISSUES THAT I HAD AS THE ALDERMAN WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SLEEPING ON BENCHES.
CAN, CAN I MAKE MOTION THAT WE OR CAN WE ASK GEORGE TO GET A PRICE? YEAH, I CAN.
I'VE GOT SOME OLDER PRICING, BUT WHEN WE SAY INEXPENSIVE, I, I BELIEVE I RECALL THREE OR $400 A PIECE.
BUT WHY DON'T, WOULD YOU PLEASE, I GUESS THE THING WOULD BE TO BRING BACK TO OUR NEXT MEETING.
SO GEORGE, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ASK DIRECTLY TO MAKE A MOTION TO DO SO, BUT WOULD YOU BRING THAT INFORMATION TO THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN IF YOU KNOW AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY WE NEED TO, TO, UH, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
AS YOU KNOW TOO, WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, UM, FOR OUR, UH, MEETINGS THAT HAPPEN OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED.
SO IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MAKE A COMMENT? I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION AND I WAS GONNA ASK FOSTER, BUT HE'S NOT HERE.
COULD YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME THOUGH? OH, I'M SORRY.
AND YOUR ADDRESS? UM, TWO 17 A P*****K STREET.
IT WAS ACTUALLY A QUESTION FOR FOSTER, BUT I'M, I'M SURE MAYBE GEORGE COULD ANSWER IT.
UM, WITH THE, UM, PROJECT THAT WE DID FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET, THERE WERE OTHER THINGS BESIDES THE GARAGE DOORS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THAT PROJECT.
HAS THAT ALL BEEN COMPLETED? THERE WAS BATHROOM UPGRADES AND THERE WAS, UH, OVERHEAD FANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT PROJECT.
I WOULD'VE TO LET FOSTER ANSWER THAT QUESTION ON THE INTERIOR FINISHES.
I KNOW THE GARAGE, I BELIEVE THE PULL UP DOORS WERE PLACED.
SEE IF WE CAN FIND THAT OUT FOR YOU TO GET BACK TO YOU WILLIAMS, IF YOU WOULD ALSO TRY TO LOOK THE FOSTER ON THAT.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, SEEING NONE, I HAVE A QUESTION.
HOW DO I GET ON THE, UH, TRASH COMMITTEE NOW? MIKE, YOU NOT ON THAT'S ON THE COMMITTEE.
UM, SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, TO FILL THAT COMMITTEE, I JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A FORM CORRECT ON THAT.
SO IT'S MYSELF, DAVID, AND NOW MIKE.
'CAUSE THEN IT CONSTITUTES A MEETING.
HOW MANY FIVE CONS WOULD CONSTITUTE A FORM? THERE'S ONLY THREE OF US CURRENTLY ON.
OH, I THOUGHT JOHN WAS ON THAT, ON THE PARKING.
ARE WE DONE WITH THE MSS D? YES.
DO YOU CLOSE THAT OR? YES, I MOVED ON TO PUBLIC COMMONS.
IS THERE A OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR I SO THE MEETING WAS GO AHEAD.
WELL, WELL IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, WE TRY TO KEEP IT AN HOUR.
WE TRY TO, UNLESS IT IS A WORKSHOP.
IF IT'S A WORKSHOP I ASK FOR TWO HOURS, BUT WE TRY TO KEEP IT TO AN HOUR OR A LITTLE OVER TODAY.
I WAS TOLD TO MAKE IT'S 12 TO TWO, SO I'M SORRY IF I'M BELABORING IT, BUT YEAH.
BUT AS THE NEW MEMBER, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE MOVING ON WITHOUT RECOGNIZING THAT WE WERE MOVING ON.
SO, SO IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS PAVING THE, UH, PARKING LOT THAT'S ACROSS FROM THE FARMER'S MARKET WITH MSD FUNDS? HAS THAT EVER COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEES AS UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO PAVE THAT LOT SO THAT IT CAN BE USED IN COURT? I DON'T, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE A FOSTER CALL TO US.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS DONE SOME STUDY COMMITTEE.
THE CITY HAS DONE, THE CITY HAS DONE SOME STUDY WITH A CONSULTANT.
AGAIN, ALDERMAN ASKED OUR ALDERMAN PRI TO FIND OUT WHAT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE WAS OF THAT PROPERTY AND SOME OTHER PROPERTY.
SO I KNOW THEY WERE TAKING RECOMMENDATIONS
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FROM THAT.I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN DECIDED.
DO EITHER ONE OF YOU KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN DECIDED ON THAT? THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN NO DECISION MADE REGARDING THAT.
JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE AND THE COMMITTEE IS AWARE, UM, THERE IS PROVISIONS IN THE LAND USE ORDINANCE THAT DOES NOT ALLOW CORNER LOTS TO BE TURNED INTO, INTO PARKING LOTS.
SO IT WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE TO PAVE THAT FOR THE INTENTION OF A PARKING LOT WHEN WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CREATE CORNER LOT PARKING LOTS.
SO WAS THAT EVEN ONE OF THE USES THAT WAS BEING CONSIDERED BY THE WORKING GROUP ANYWAY? THE PARK WAS, WAS THAT, WAS USING IT AS A PARKING LOT PERMANENTLY, ONE OF THE USES CONSIDERED BY THAT WORKING GROUP? NO.
PARKING LOT WAS NOT THE HIGHEST INVEST CASE.
THAT I'M GUESSING THAT'S A RELATIVELY NEW REGULATION.
THE IT'S BEEN IN THERE A WHILE.
I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF THE CONVENTION CENTER PARKING LOT, WHICH IS CLEARLY ON THE CORNER.
AND THE LOT WAS GONNA BE PARKED SOUTH, FRONT AND EAST FRONT.
BUT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN PRIOR.
AND HANCOCK AND P*****K IS A PARKING LOT.
BUT THAT WAS ALL PRIOR I THINK.
WELL IF IT RULE TODAY, RULE TODAY, I'M JUST SURPRISED BECAUSE THAT THAT IT'S, THAT'S NOT AN OLD PARKING LOT.
THERE YOU IS A PARKING, THERE'S ONE CORNER PARKING LOT, SO I CAN'T REMEMBER.
IT'S ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT SEGREGATED PARKING LOT THAT THE CITY HAS.
YOU SAID BROAD, BROAD, BROAD STREET.
NO, IT'S A P*****K BROAD STREET.
AND CRAIG, WELL THEY'RE BOTH, BOTH HAVE PARKING LOTS, BUT THEY BOTH ARE VERY OLD AS OPPOSED TO THE CONVENTION CENTER.
BUT IF THE RULE IS THE RULE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE CHURCH, IT'S THE CHURCH PARKING LOT BESIDE BANK, THE CITY, THE BANK CITY HAS LIKE, IT'S THE BANK.
BUT I GUESS, YEAH, THOSE WERE ALL THERE.
UM, JIM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? 'CAUSE I DO WANT TO TRY TO KEEP US, YOU KNOW, I TRY TO KEEP OUR REGULAR MEETINGS DOWN TO AT LEAST NOW 'CAUSE PEOPLE DO GIVE UP THEIR LUNCHTIMES AND HOW WE HAVE, UH, GATHERED HERE TODAY.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING BEFORE THE MSD? YES, I DO.
IF I CAN'T GO, YOUR HONOR, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, DO THE MEET COMMITTEES MEET BETWEEN THE SESSIONS, THE CHAIR THAT REACHES OUT AND DOES THAT? YES.
YOU, IF, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO GET TOGETHER, I I BELIEVE WE'RE PROBABLY ON HOLD UNTIL WE KNOW BETTER FROM THE SURVEY.
WOULD YOU AGREE ON THAT, DAVE? OH, FOR PURIFICATION COMMITTEE? YEAH, SAME THING.
DID YOU HAVE A GET BACK? DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? I, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE.
THIS, UH, PROPOSED PROJECT IS ON THE, UH, NEW BERN.GOV PAGE FOR MSSD.
AND THERE'S A, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS LIST ALL THROUGH 2024.
SO THERE'S THREE PAGES THAT I JUST DOWNLOADED AND IT'S ON THE WEBSITE SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE, UH, WHAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED.
AND I'VE JUST ADDED A FEW MORE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY ON THAT LIST.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THAT UPDATED AS WELL.
THE PROPOSED PROJECTS ON THE M MS D PAGE OF NEW BERN.GOV, YOU CAN LOOK@NEWBERNNC.GOV.
BUT I WANTED TO ASK, AS THE NEW MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE, UM, 12 O'CLOCK ON A TUESDAY IS VERY DIFFICULT.
UM, MOVING PATIENTS OFF SCHEDULE IS HARD.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO MOVE IT TO EITHER A DIFFERENT DAY LIKE FRIDAY OR MOVE IT LATER IN THE AFTERNOON SO THAT IT'S NOT IMPACTING ANYMORE? TODAY THAT IS UP TO THIS COMMITTEE.
UM, TUESDAY'S WORK GOOD FOR ME.
SO I I I WILL DO IT WHENEVER IT WORKS.
WHEN IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYONE, IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO MOVE IT TO SOME OTHER TIME OTHER THAN LUNCHTIME.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT ON A TUESDAY TO HAVE A LUNCHTIME.
THAT'S NOT REALLY, THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN, IN MEDICAL WORK.
OH, WHO ELSE HERE TAKES LUNCH? AFTERNOONS ARE MORE DIFFICULT FOR ME HAVING A FAMILY EVENING WITH, UH, EVERYONE CONSIDERING E AN EVENING SIX O'CLOCK EVENINGS ARE MORE DIFFICULT FOR RESTAURANTS.
WHAT ABOUT 7:00 AM 7:00 AM BUT THAT HURTS MY BACK KIND OF TIME.
ONE DAY I'LL BRING THAT UP BACK.
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SEVEN O'CLOCK A CONVENIENT TIME FOR ANYBODY.I DON'T HOW I ONE MEETING A MONTH? WELL, NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE WORK MEETINGS.
FOUR MEETINGS A YEAR, AND THEY'RE IN ADVANCE.
SO MAYBE WE CAN SCHEDULE, I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MAKE WEDNESDAY, WEDNESDAY IS THE SAME ISSUE AS TUESDAYS, WEDNESDAYS AND THURSDAYS ARE EASIER.
WELL WE CAN, WE CAN, THE DAY MIGHT CHANGE.
WE WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, TUESDAYS FOR PEOPLE KIND OF FELT THAT, THAT THE BOSS LETS YOU HAVE LUNCH ON WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY.
THERE'S NO LUNCH ON WEDNESDAY.
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT, BUT I DON'T, I'M GONNA START HAVING PIZZA DELIVERED.
CAN WE THINK ABOUT THIS AND COME BACK? EVERYBODY NEEDS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND CHEW IT OVER A LITTLE BIT.
SO PLEASE, I'LL MAKE AN AGENDA ITEM THAT WE VOTE ON.
SO COME BACK WITH A, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST SOMETHING WE WOULD VOTE ON TO CHANGE TIME OR WHATEVER ON THAT, ON OUR FUTURE MEETINGS.
BUT WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
I DO THINK FRIDAY IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
A BIT LIKE A SUMMERTIME, VACATIONS AND STUFF.
I WOULD PREFER TO NOT DO MONDAYS OR FRIDAYS.
YEAH, I AGREE ON HURRICANE EVENTS.
WELL THURSDAY WORKS FOR ME IF THAT'S, THAT WORKS.
UM, WITH ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? IF NOT, I NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN PLEASE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, THANK YOU ALL.