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LEMME KNOW IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE.
[1. OPENING OF MEETING WITH ROLL CALL]
CALL TO ORDER THE MARCH MEETING, THE STAR PRESERVATION COMMISSION.CAN WE HAVE, UH, A ROLL CALL? YES, CERTAINLY.
AND WE HAVE, UM, MARK NER AND RICHARD PARSONS ARE ABSENT.
AND WE HAVE TIM THOMPSON AND OH AND TIM THOMPSON.
UH, COULD WE HAVE THE PHONE? WE HAVE A QUORUM.
[Additional Item]
UH, IF ANYONE IS GOING TO TESTIFY OR SPEAK TONIGHT, COULD YOU COME UP AND GET SWORN IN? YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT YOU DO.BUT YOU CAN RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PLEASE.
DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOT ABOUT THE TRUTH, TO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
I BASICALLY SIGN OR PRINT YOUR NAME AND THEN YOUR ADDRESS.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN AGAIN.
JIM, ONE MORE TO OH, HERE ON THE RIGHT, ON THE LEFT.
YOU SWEAR TO WHOLE TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO HELP YOU GOD? YES, I DO.
IS THAT ANOTHER NEW, NEW FACE? A LAWYER? I'M AN OFFICER OF COURT.
HE'S GONNA OFFER SCHOOL SEMESTER.
OUR ATTORNEY SAYS YOU DO NEED TO GET SWORN IN.
DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA]
POINT WE HAVE IS THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH ARE THE TWO WRITTEN DECISIONS WHICH EVERYBODY HAS A COPY OF.UM, AND SOME OF US WERE NOT PRESENT AT THAT MEETING.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, JAMIE, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU PUT THEM TOGETHER.
UH, WHERE AND WHAT IS THE LANGUAGE ABOUT WHAT PIECES WILL BE RETAINED OF THE SHRINER BUILDING IN THAT DECISION? IN THE DECISION, I DON'T HAVE A COPY IN FRONT OF ME.
IT, IT DID SAY, UM, REDEVELOPMENTS SCROLL DOWN TALKS ABOUT FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUCCESSFULLY PRESERVED SOME ELEMENTS OF THE STRUCTURES, HISTORIC FABRIC THAT HAS BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL IN SEEKING ALTERNATIVES TO DEMOLITION.
IF YOU LOOK AT, IN ADDITION TO WHAT MR. MORRISON HAS INDICATED, UM, PARAGRAPH EIGHT, WHICH I THINK IS ON YOUR SCREEN, SAYS, A DEVELOPMENTAL PLAN CONSISTS OF AN ALMOST COMPLETE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING RESOURCE, BUT RETAINS SEVERAL HISTORIC ELEMENTS, UM, IN IMPROVE MEMORIAL AREA AND EXPANSIVE PARKING LOT.
IN ADDITION TO THIS WRITTEN DECISION WILL BE A COPY OF THE COA AND THE RECORD, WHICH SHOWS WHAT THE SITE PLAN IS AND WHAT LAW SPECIFICALLY HAVE, HAVE AGREED TO.
I A MOTION TO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY ABOUT THESE.
WE APPROVE THE WRITTEN DECISION FOR THREE 16 AVENUE C AND FOR 4 0 3 EAST FRONT STREET FROM THE FEBRUARY 26 MEETING.
I'LL SECOND MOVE AND SECONDED.
WE APPROVED, UH, THOSE TWO FI FINDINGS.
[2. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA]
BISBEE, DID WE HAVE, UM, UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA, IF THERE WERE ANY? ARE ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS BESIDES THE ONES YOU THAT YOU MADE? I DIDN'T MAKE ANY.WELL THERE, UM, JUST ONE, I THINK THE, UH, THE ADDRESS ON QUEEN STREET, UH, IS INCORRECT.
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THAT'S CORRECT.IF THAT'S READ AT THE MOMENT, BUT YES.
IS ANYONE AWARE OR DESIRE ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? OKAY, HEARING NOT, OH, YES, THANK, OKAY.
AS USUAL, SHORT RESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE, BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES AND CITY ORDINANCES AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HC ARE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES DUE TO NEGLECT.
WE HOLD QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING SUCH AS THIS ONE WHERE WE HEAR SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE, UH, PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT AND ANY OTHERS WHO, UH, HAVE STANDING AND WISH TO COMMENT.
UH, WE, WE ASK, UH, QUESTIONS AND, AND, UH, UH, TO GET POINT OF UNDERSTANDING, AND WE DON'T VOTE BASED ON OUR PERSONAL APPRECIATION, BUT THE, THE RULES AND THE STATUTES THAT WE GO BY AND WE BASE OUR DECISION SOLELY ON THE TESTIMONY AND THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT THE HEARING.
THE PROCESS WE'LL FOLLOW HPC ADMINISTRATOR WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION.
THE APPLICATION OF THE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, CAN COMMENT ON IT IF THEY WISH.
PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.
REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS, OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED, CAN PRE PRESENT EVIDENCE.
THE ADMINISTRATOR WILL PRE PRESENT THE STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION.
THE APPLICANT, AGAIN, HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS.
WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION OF IT.
I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACT, AND WE'LL DISCUSS IT AND, AND VOTE ON IT AS THE PROCESS WILL FOLLOW.
SO WITH THAT, YOU'D WANT TO HEAR 5 25
[5.A. 252 Queen St. - to include removing one door and window; adding one door and window in the Secondary AVC.]
QUEEN STREET.SO THIS IS THE, UH, BEGINNING OF THE APPLICATION FOR 5 25 QUEEN STREET.
UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS MARGARET BRANER.
UH, AND SHE HAS, UH, DESIGNATED, UH, LOCAL BUILDERS FOR ALEXIS CARDELL TO BE HER.
AND SHE SIGNED THE APPLICATION TO BE HER, UH, AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE AT THE MEETING.
SO, UH, THIS IS A STREET VIEW, UH, VIEW OF THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
UH, HOWEVER, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT, UH, WHICH IS AROUND THE RIGHT HAND SIDE ON THE BACK, ACTUALLY.
SO THIS IS, YOU STILL CAN'T SEE ACTUALLY THE AREA OF THE, UM, WORK.
THIS IS THE AREA OF THE WORK HERE, UM, INVOLVING THE DOOR AND THE WINDOW.
UH, THE WINDOW WILL BECOME A FRENCH DOOR AND THE DOOR WILL BECOME, THE WINDOW THAT IS SITTING THERE NOW WILL BE MOVED TO THE LOCATION OF THE DOOR.
UH, AND THEN ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE CHANGES TO THE SIDING AND THE PROCESS.
UM, SO THIS DRAWING, LET'S SEE, SHOWS THE, UH, CURRENT SITUATION ON THE TOP.
THE PROPOSED, UH, PROPOSED RENOVATION ON THE TOP WHERE WE SEE THERE'S THE, UH, FRENCH DOOR HERE ON THE RIGHT OF THIS DRAWING.
AND THEN, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS IS WHERE THE DOOR WAS, IS NOW, UH, THE WINDOW THAT, UH, WILL BE REUSED FROM THE PREVIOUS LOCATION.
AND THIS IS HOW THEY LOOK IN DRAWINGS.
UM, UH, SO THIS ON THE, ON THIS LEFT HAND DRAWING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE IMAGE HERE IS, UM, THE CURRENT WINDOW, AND THEN THE CURRENT DOOR IS ON THE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT DRAWING.
SO THEY PROVIDED A SKETCH, UM, TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT THE, UH, MATERIALS AND, UH, UH, TRIM AND SUCH WILL BE LIKE THERE.
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THE, THE TWO LEAFS OF THE DOOR.UH, ONE ON THE RIGHT WILL BE AN OUT SWINGING, AND THE ONE ON THE LEFT WILL BE FIXED.
UH, AND THESE ARE, UM, STEEL DOORS WITH WOOD JAMS. SIX OH BY SIX EIGHT.
THERE'S A, UH, FIVE QUARTER BY SIX INCH, UH, UH, WOOD TRIM AROUND THE PERIMETER AND, UM, UH, WOOD SILL ACROSS THE BOTTOM AND A WOOD DRIP CAP ACROSS THE TOP.
UM, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
UM, SO WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE YOU WANT TO ASK IF THERE, UH, ARE ANY COMMENTS WE'RE READY WITH OUR OR, UM, STAFF REPORT.
WHEN YOU'RE READY, ANY COMMENTS THAT THE, UH, OWNER OR REPRESENTATIVE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? EXCUSE ME.
WHAT'D YOU SAY, SIR? UH, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE BASED TO NO, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, MATT.
CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE? YEAH, ALEXIS.
ARE THERE ANY OPPONENTS OR, UH, PROPONENTS OF THE, THE, UH, PROJECT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? I THINK WE'RE READY FOR STAFF FINDINGS.
UM, AND IT COULD BE ALL THE VERSIONS WE'VE SEEN, BUT THE ONE, UH, PREVIOUS TO THE PAGE YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AT THE END THERE WITH THE NEW DOOR DESIGN STILL SHOWS SLIDERS AND SAYS METAL SLIDERS.
HAS THAT BEEN REMOVED? OH, YOU MEAN, UH, IS THAT IT SAYS AFTER RENOVATION AND THEN IT SAYS PLACEMENT OF NEW SLIDER METAL DOOR AND WE, WE DON'T HAVE A SLIDER DOOR ANY LONGER.
IS IT IN THE APPLICATION? YEAH.
THERE'S AN AFTER RENOVATION AND A BEFORE RENOVATION PICKED, UH, DRAWING.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THAT NOTATION.
THERE IT JUST SAYS SLIDE MIDDLE.
JUST CLARIFYING THAT THAT DOOR IS BEING REPLACED BY THE, THE TWO DOORS YOU'RE PUTTING IN.
THE DRAWING IS NOT OF A DIVIDED DOUBLE DOOR.
SO I GUESS YOU COULD, UM, ADDRESS THAT WITH YOUR CONDITIONS.
W WHICH ARE WE ENTERTAINING? I THINK WHEN YOU DESCRIBED IT, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THE DOOR SWUNG IN AND OUT.
WELL, ON THE OTHER GROWING IT SAYS IT'S OUT SWINGING.
IT WAS, IT WAS AN ITEM THAT CAME UP IN YES.
DESIGN VIEW AND THEY CHANGED IT.
UM, WE CHANGED THAT BECAUSE MATT FELT BETTER WITH HINGE DOORS BECAUSE THEY WERE APPROPRIATE OF PERIOD.
SO WE NICK THAT AND WENT WITH THE SWINGING DOORS, THE TWO DOOR SLABS.
ONE IS PASSIVE, BUT BOTH CAN BE OPENED.
SO, BUT THERE WILL BE ONE MAIN ACTIVE DOOR, BUT THEY BOTH CAN BE OPEN.
SO THEY ARE TRUE FRENCH DOORS? YEAH.
I'M NOT RAISING THE ISSUE, JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT'S AN ACCURATE DRAWING FOR, OKAY.
SLIDING NORMALLY MEANS THEY GO SIDE TO SIDE, THOUGH.
THAT DRAWING WAS LEFT OVER FROM WHEN IT WAS A SLIDING DOOR I GOT, AND THEN IT NEVER GOT CHANGED.
SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORKSHOP YEAH.
THAT THEY EITHER CHANGED THAT OR DELETE IT.
WE'RE READY FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW SHOWS, UH, THAT THE, UM, UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS MADE NO, NO, NO COMMENTS.
UH, IT'S NOT APPLICABLE OF THIS PROJECT FOR HIM.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS THE PROJECT WILL NOT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO FOR OUR STAFF REPORT, WE HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS MARGARET BRANDNER.
THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS 5 25 QUEEN STREET.
THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS SIMPLY CALLED HOUSE, UH, BUILT, UH, 1900 AND MOVED IN 1999.
IT'S A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UH, AND THE NATIONAL NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003 DESCRIBES THE HOUSE AS QUEEN ANN STYLE.
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FROM THAT DESCRIPTION ARE, IT HAS, UH, ONE OVER ONE SASH AND HAS A SHED.ROOFED REAR WING AND PLAIN EDGE SIDING, UH, WAS REMOVED TO THE PRESENT LOCATION FROM NOOSE BOULEVARD IN 1999.
SO FOR SAND, SAND, BECK'S DESCRIPTION, THERE IS NONE BECAUSE, UH, IT WAS NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN 1988 WHEN HE WROTE THE BOOK.
THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE REMOVING ONE DOOR IN WINDOW, ADDING ONE DOOR IN WINDOW IN THE SECONDARY.
A, B, C STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.1 AND FOUR FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
UH, 5.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR PAINT.
5.4 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.
AND FOR STATEMENTS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS REMOVING ONE DOOR AND WINDOW, ADDING ONE DOOR AND WINDOW IN THE SECONDARY, A, B, C.
AND THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, UH, REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
I'M SORRY, MATT, DID YOU SAY THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A BUILDING, A BUILDING PERMIT REQUIRED? MM-HMM.
NO, NO BUILDING PERMIT AND REALLY WOULDN'T THAT CLAUSE, THAT'S, YEAH.
PERHAPS SAYING BEF BEFORE WOULD NOT BE A GOOD, UH, YEAH, BEFORE INITIATING, UM, IN INSTALLATION THAT, THAT WOULD BE BETTER.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WELL, AND THE DOOR IS METAL, SO DON'T WE NEED 5.2 FOR METALS? OH, YES.
AND, AND JUST FOR THE, FOR, UM, THE COMMISSION'S NOTE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SECONDARY, TERTIARY THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S CLEARLY NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD EITHER OF THESE.
UM, AND I THINK AS WE CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSIONS ON THAT, WE SHOULD KIND OF THINK ABOUT THAT ONE AS WELL.
WELL, I, I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, TALKING WITH US ABOUT IT DURING DESIGN REVIEW AND MAKING THE CHANGES AND ADJUSTMENTS YOU HAVE
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? HEARING NONE.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION WHICH WOULD BE INCLUSIVE OF THE TWO CHANGES THAT WE DISCUSSED.
WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR 5 25 GREEN STREET, INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BURNS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 4 11 TO 15 429 AND NEW'S, HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT GUIDELINES, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1245, MODIFICATIONS, 3.21 AND TWO WALLS, TRIM ORNAMENTATION, 4.21 AND FOUR, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 0.1 AND TWO, UH, WOOD, 5.2 0.1, AND TWO.
5.3 POINT, EXCUSE ME, IT'S 5.4 I THINK.
5.4 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.
FINDINGS OF FACT, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS REMOVING ONE DOOR AND WINDOW, ADDING ONE DOOR AND WINDOW IN THE SECONDARY, A, B, C.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS GUIDELINES.
AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES
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TWO CONDITIONS THAT THE DRAWING NOTES A SLIDING METAL DOOR, WHICH IS BEING REPLACED IN THE APPLICATION BY TWO SWINGING METAL DOORS.WE APPROVE THE MOTION AS STATED.
WE NEED A MOTION TO, UH, ISSUE THE COA.
UM, CAN I ASK WHO THE SECOND WAS ON THAT, CORRECT? I THINK IT'S ME.
AND SECOND, WE ISSUE A COA FOR THE PROJECT.
OPPOSED? HEARING NONE ISSUE THE CO A.
[5.B. 210 New St. – to include removal of a brick wall and existing landscaping, and installing new paving and landscaping in the Tertiary AVC]
NEW STREET.AND I, I'LL JUST ASK THE QUESTION.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST TO THE BOARD FOR THIS PROJECT? NO.
SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR THIS PROJECT, TWO 10 NEW STREET, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS, DAN TURBO AND CHRIS BEAR.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE LISTED THE VARIOUS SECTIONS.
THE MATERIALS PROVIDED ADDITIONAL MATERIAL AND SIGNED THE APPLICATION DATED IT.
SO THIS IS A, I'M GONNA MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIGGER SINCE WE CAN, UH, THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE PROJECT HERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANTS IN THEIR APPLICATION.
THIS IS A STREET VIEW FROM LINDEN STREET WITH EXISTING BRICK WALL AND GATE, UH, PROPOSING TO SAVE THE TWO BRICK PILLARS ON THE OUTER EDGES.
ALL EXISTING WALL IN BETWEEN WILL BE REMOVED TO CREATE PARKING ENTRANCE, AND GRADE WILL BE LOWERED TO STREET LEVEL.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN SEE BEHIND THE GATE THERE IS A SHORT, UM, RETAINING WALL, UH, AND SOME, UH, LAWN ON TOP OF THAT THAT WOULD BE REMOVED BOTH THE WALL AND THE LAWN.
UH, SO THIS IS SOME OF THE IMAGES.
ON THE LEFT IS IMAGE OF THE, UH, THE BRICK LATTICE WORK, UH, WILL BE REMOVED AND THE, UH, SMALL WALLET'S SITTING UPON, UH, AS WELL AS THE TWO POSTS HERE.
ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT PICTURE, THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, RETAINING WALL AND THE GARDEN AREA TO THE LEFT OF THAT.
ALSO SEE ANOTHER PHOTOS THAT WILL ALSO BE REMOVED.
NOW THIS IS VIEWED, UH, ONCE YOU'RE INSIDE THE WALL, LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE MAIN HOUSE, WHICH IS THE WHITE HOUSE.
UH, THERE'S A SECONDARY HOUSE HERE ON THE LEFT, UH, AND JUST SHOWS YOU THAT, UH, WHAT I REFER TO AS LAWN AREA BEFORE, UM, THIS, UH, THIS AREA HERE IN THE FOREGROUND AND THE, UH, UH, RED BRICK AREA IN THE BACK OR IN THE MID MIDFIELD HERE, UM, UH, IT WILL BE, WILL REMAIN.
UH, AND SO WE'LL SEE THAT ALL THAT IN A MINUTE.
BUT THIS IS FOR YOUR, UM, ORIENTATION HERE.
ALSO, NOTICE FOR ORIENTATION FOR THE NEXT PHOTO OF THE, UH, UH, ARCH OF THE ARBOR HERE, SO YOU CAN PLACE YOURSELF.
SO LOOKING, THIS IS STILL LOOKING WITH NOW THE RIGHT, UH, LEG OF THE ARBOR.
SO LOOKING, IT WOULD BE TOWARDS THE MAIN HOUSE, BUT IT'S THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
UM, UH, AND THERE'S A SMALL GARDEN POTTING AREA.
UH, THE EDGE OF THE RED BRICK HERE, RED BRICK HERE, UH, PA UH, THE RED BRICK PAVING AREA AND THE POTTING AREA IS ABOUT WHERE THE EDGE OF THE EXCAVATION WILL START.
SO THAT INCLUDES REMOVING THAT TREE, UM, AND THEN VIEW FACING THAT, UH, SECOND SECONDARY HOUSE HERE.
UM, SEE THAT SAME GARDEN THAT WE SAW EARLIER.
UM, SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, I SUPPOSE.
THEN, UH, VIEWING FROM THE UH, PATIO AREA HERE WE SEE THE ARBOR ON THE LEFT AND THAT TREE, THAT SMALL TREE TO BE REMOVED ON THE LEFT.
UH, AND THEN A LOT, THE LINE OF THE, UM, THE RED BRICK PATIO HERE.
UM, IT, THIS AREA WILL REMAIN, UH, AT ITS CURRENT LEVEL.
IF YOU DRAW A LINE STRAIGHT OUT FROM THE SIDE OF THE STEPS, UH, AND CREATE A LANDING AT
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THE BOTTOM, THAT LANDING WILL STAY, BUT EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT OF THAT WILL BE REMOVED AGAIN.WE'LL SEE THAT IN MORE DETAIL IN THE PLAN.
THEN, UM, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT, UM, GARDEN AREA I REFERRED TO, TO THE LEFT OF THE GATE.
OKAY, SO THIS IS A PLANNED VIEW OF THE EXISTING SITUATION.
ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT SO WE GOT MORE OF THE IMAGE.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, THE RED, THE RED LINE INDICATES WHERE THE EXCAVATION WILL HAPPEN AND ALONG THE FACE OF THIS, UM, NOT, NOT QUITE ACTUALLY.
UM, UH, AND THEN THE RED LINE ALONG THIS, UH, SIDE HERE INDICATES WHERE THE BRICK, UH, WALL WILL BE REMOVED AND THESE TWO PILLARS WHERE THE GATE IS.
UM, AND THIS SHOWS THAT DIAGONAL PATH, THE TWO LEGS OF THE ARBOR, THAT, UH, SMALL LITTLE FIG TREE.
UH, AND THEN WHERE I MENTIONED THE LANDING IS OVER HERE ON THE LEFT.
AND SO THIS REPRESENTS THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE.
AND THEN THIS ONE, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE IT SMALLER BECAUSE IT SHOWS EVEN MORE.
UM, THIS SHOWS NOW THE PLAN FOR THAT AREA.
UH, ONCE THE WALL IS GONE, THEN THEY'LL, UH, BE PAVING THE AREA THAT'S BEEN EXCAVATED, UH, TO BE MORE OR LESS FLUSHED WITH THE SIDEWALK AND STREET.
AND, UM, THEN THERE WILL BE A RETAINING WALL ALONG WHERE THE RED LINE WAS SHOWN BEFORE.
SO YES, INDEED, THIS AREA IS EXCAVATED OUT, SORRY, UH, AND IS AT, UH, PARKING LEVEL, THE, UH, PARKING SURFACE LEVEL, UH, BUT PLANTED WITH, UH, PLANTS.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, SAME THING, PARKING LEVEL, UH, PLANTINGS, UH, AND THE PAVEMENT STARTS AT THE EDGE OF THE, IT'S A SQUARE PAVED AREA, MORE OR LESS WITH THESE TWO CORNERS CUT OFF.
AND THEN THEY HAVE BASICALLY THE, UH, BRICK, UH, DECORATIVE INLAY, SO TO SAY, OR EDGING ALONG THE EDGE, AN INLAY ON THE CURVES, AN INLAY ON THE BACK HERE.
THEN THEY STEP UP TO A DOUBLE GATE WITH, UH, TWO NEW PIERS HERE.
AND THE, UH, NEW RETAINING WALL ALONG, UH, THE BRICK, UH, PATIO, THE GATE, AND THEN A NEW RETAINING WALL HERE, UH, NEAR THE LANDING FOR THE STEPS.
UH, A NEW RED BRICK PATH AROUND TO CONNECT, UH, THE CIRCULATION, UH, FRONT TO AND FROM THE, UH, RED BRICK PATIO.
UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? UH, UH, ALL THE VARIOUS PLANTS WERE IDENTIFIED HERE.
UM, THE EXISTING RED BRICK, UH, PIER IS TO BE REMAIN HERE IN THIS CORNER ADJACENT TO THAT NEIGHBOR'S, UH, FENCE.
AND THEN ALSO THE BRICK PIER ADJACENT TO THE STAIRWELL HERE.
UH, SO THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE DESIGN.
THEY PROVIDED SOME EXAMPLES OF, UH, MATERIALS AND PLANTS.
SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT, YOU GET A BETTER IDEA AS TO WHAT, UH, THE PAVING AREA MIGHT BE LIKE WITH THE, OH, IT'S EXPOSED AGGREGATE MOSTLY.
UH, AND THEN THE BRICK IN MY, UH, AND THEN THE, UH, THE, THE SHORT BRICK WALLS, UM, THE SHORT BRICK RETAINING WALLS WITH, UH, STEPS, UM, LIKE WHERE THE, THE DOUBLE GATE WILL BE.
AND THEN THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF THE GATE AND FENCING.
SO THERE'S A SMALL FENCE ON TOP OF THE RETAINING WALL.
UH, AND, UH, HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER LOCATION THAT HAS A SIMILAR KIND OF THING WHERE IT'S A RETAINING WALL AND SMALL FENCE.
I GUESS I DID FORGET TO MENTION THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE.
SO, UM, LET'S SEE, NEXT TO THE GATE, THE PILLARS ARE FIVE
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FEET HIGH.THE, UM, THE GATE IS ACTUALLY FOUR FEET, AND THE, UH, RETAINING WALL IS ABOUT TWO OH, UH, ABOUT 12 INCHES HIGH.
UH, AND THEN, OH, AND THE PILLAR IS 12 BY 12 IN SIZE AND FOOTPRINT.
SO LET'S SEE, HOW WAS THAT? OH, YES.
THEN THE, UH, THE FENCING IS FOUR FOOT HIGH ON TOP OF THE WALL.
SO FOUR FEET FROM THE, UH, RED BRICK PATIO.
ALRIGHT, THAT TWO ADDITIONAL DETAILS.
SO NOW WE'RE READY TO, UH, GO TO THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
YOU'RE DONE, YOU'RE DONE, RIGHT? YES.
UH, UH, DID THE OWNER WANT TO, UH, COMMENT ON IT? I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT.
THERE ARE NINE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE DRIVEWAYS ON LYDEN STREET, THREE FACE, LYDEN STREET, AND THERE ARE, UH, SIX PROPERTIES THEY BACK OR SIDE INTO IN STREET OF THOSE NINE PROPERTIES.
WE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT DO NOT HAVE A DRIVEWAY.
AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.
YEAH, I, I JUST HAD A COUPLE JUST TO JUST VERIFY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE CONSULTANT OR YOU CAN ANSWER THIS, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE, THAT THE PARKING IS LESS THAN 50% OF THE, OF THE YARD.
I THINK THAT WE, THAT CAME UP AT THE WORKSHOP AND I THINK YOU WERE GONNA CHECK THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS THE CASE.
AND THE OTHER ONE WAS THAT THOSE NEW BRICK PILLARS ARE GONNA BE BRICK THAT'LL SORT OF EMULATE THE EXISTING BRICK PILLARS.
UM, THE, UH, BRICK WALL RETAIN RETAINING WALL BETWEEN THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, HOW TALL IS THAT BRICK WALL AND YOUR FENCE GOES ON TOP OF THAT? UH, DO YOU MEAN, UH, UH, THE FOUNTAIN'S NEXT DOOR TO THE RIGHT WHERE IT USED TO BE RE'S HOUSE WITH A RE'S HOUSE? HOW TALL IS THAT FENCE RIGHT NOW? HOW TALL IS THE, UH, RETAINING WALL THAT YOU'RE SETTING UP SETTING? IS THAT SIX FEET? FOUR? IS IT FIVE? MATT MAY, MAYBE YOU CAN SCROLL BACK TO THAT, TO THAT MAP.
UH, THE ONLY RETAINING WALL IS HOLDING BACK THE EXISTING PATIO ALREADY, AND WHICH IS GOT THE LITTLE WALL, WALL TIME FENCE ON.
THERE'S ANOTHER WALL THAT BORDERS THE PROPERTY.
I THINK THAT'S APPROXIMATELY FIVE FOOT TALL, BUT IT'S NOT A RETAINING WALL, I DON'T THINK.
MR. CHAIR, FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, IF WE COULD HAVE THE WITNESSES INDICATE THEIR NAMES, PLEASE.
MY NAME IS DAN TURBO AND I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER.
COULD YOU SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE? YES.
TESSA OGAN AND YOU ARE THE DESIGNER.
BUT ON, ON THE DRAWING, IT SHOWS AS AN EXISTING BRICK WALL.
IT'S, WE'RE NOT ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
RIGHT? IT, SO WE'RE NOT, THERE IS AN EXISTING, IF I, I, I HOPE I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THERE IS AN EXISTING WALL BRICK WALL THAT WILL NOT BE CHANGED, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT, I THINK IT'S ABOUT SIX FEET TALL.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT.
AND YOUR PROPERTY SITS HIGHER THAN THE PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT.
I'M JUST, 'CAUSE THEN YOU'RE PUTTING UP TO A FENCE ON TOP OF THE BRICK.
YEAH, THE FOUR FOOT FENCE WILL BE LOWER THAN THAT EXISTING RED BRICK WALL AS ONCE WE BUILT THE TWO FOOT RETAINING WALL, UM, THE, THE EXISTING HEIGHT OF THE PATIO IS NOT CHANGING AND WE ARE ADDING A FOUR FOOT HIGH REALTIME FENCE ONTO THAT.
UM, THE, THE FENCE, THE EXISTING WALL ALL THE WAY DOWN THE RIGHT SIDE IS STILL TALLER THAN, THAN WHAT THAT WOULD BE WITH THE FULL FOOT FENCE ON TOP.
YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE IT, MATT, FROM THE PICTURE WITH THE, UH, POTTING SHED PUTTING TABLE, THE CUTTING TABLE PICTURE MIGHT SHOW THE HEIGHT ON THE RIGHT.
SO THE POTTING TABLE, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW HEIGHT IS, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL AND THAT HEIGHT OF THAT PATIO IS STAYING AT THAT MIDDLE.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, CORRECT? IT DOES.
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OKAY.ARE THERE, UH, OPPONENTS OR PROPONENTS WHO HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT WISH TO COMMENT? HI, MY NAME IS BEN FOUNTAIN.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO HERE.
I'M SURE IT'S OFTEN THANKLESS WORK.
UH, MY NAME IS BEN FOUNTAIN, MY WIFE SHARON FOUNTAIN.
UH, WE OWN TWO 12 NEW STREET, THE PRILLS OLD HOUSE.
UM, AND WE'VE REVIEWED THE PLANS AND WE HAVE NO OBJECTION WHATSOEVER.
ANYONE ELSE, UH, DESIRE WHO'S BEEN NOTIFIED, DESIRE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PROJECT? HEARING NONE READY FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
I I DID HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF TREES BEING TAKEN OUT AND THERE ARE HOW MANY COMING BACK? ONE TREE WILL BE TAKEN OUT AND QUITE FRANKLY IT'S ALMOST DEAD.
AND ONE TREE WILL BE COMING IN A NEW TREE TO REPLACE IT.
OKAY, SO THIS IS THE ZONING, THE INSPECTIONS REPORT, UH, FOR TWO 10 NEW STREET.
AND, UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR INDICATES THERE'S NOT NO CON, NO ZONING PERMIT REQUIRED AND HAVE NO OTHER COMMENTS.
THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL NOT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
UH, SO NOW OUR STAFF REPORT, THIS IS FOR A PROJECT FOR DAN TURBO AND CHRIS BEAR.
UH, PROJECT ADDRESS IS TWO 10 NEW STREET, HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS ROMULUS, A NUN HOUSE 1903.
UH, ALSO IN THE REAR OF THAT SECOND, UH, STRUCTURE IS THE CORE BISHOP HOUSE DEPENDENCY, UH, BUILT CIRCA 1800 TO 1840 AND REMODELED CIRCA 1977.
IT WAS ELEVATED AND MOVED TO THE CURRENT LOCATION AFTER 1971, BUT PRIOR TO 1988.
SO, UH, THE, UH, STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UH, BUT WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANY OF 'EM.
UH, AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003 DESCRIBES THE MAIN HOUSE AS TWO AND A HALF STORIES, FIVE BAYS WIDE PEDIMENT, END GABLES AND SHED ROOF DORMERS AND INTERIOR CHIMNEYS.
THE SANDECK DESCRIPTION FROM 1988, A LITTLE MORE INTERESTING, THE CONSERVATIVE COLONIAL REVIVAL DETAILING OF THIS SYMMETRICAL TWO AND A HALF STORY HOUSE PRESENTS A MARKED CONTRAST TO THE MORE EXUBERANT QUEEN AND FORMS OF ITS FLANKING NEIGHBORS.
IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1903 FOR ROMULUS, A NUNN, A RESPECTED LAWYER WHO SERVED AS NEW BURN'S CITY ATTORNEY DURING THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY, AND WHO WAS LATER A JUDGE OF THE CRAVEN COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT.
A LIFELONG STUDENT OF NEW BURN'S PAST JUDGE NUNN WAS UP UNTIL HIS DEATH IN 1960, REGARDED AS THE LEADING LOCAL AUTHORITY ON THE CITY'S HISTORY.
THE PROJECT THOUGH IS TO INCLUDE REMOVAL OF BRICK WALL AND EXISTING LANDSCAPING AND INSTALLING NEW PAVING AND LANDSCAPING IN THE TERTIARY.
A, B, C STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, AKA GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR LANDSCAPING.
2.4, 0.3 AND FOUR FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.
2.5 0.1 AND THREE FOR PARKING.
2.7 0.2 FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES.
3.1 FOR METALS, 5.3 0.3 AND FOUR.
AND FOR PAINT, 5.4 0.2 FOR STATEMENTS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION OBTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURES OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE REMOVAL OF A BRICK WALL AND EXISTING LANDSCAPING AND INSTALLING NEW PAVING AND LANDSCAPING IN THE TERTIARY A VC THREE.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UH, DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD ANY CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING, SO THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE NOW.
UH, DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES? NO, NO ONE ELSE.
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MOTION.WE APPROVE THE, UH, APPLICATION, UM, TAKE SHOT.
I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR THE PROJECT AT TWO 10 NEW STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE NEW BERN'S CODE OF ORDINANCES.
SECTION 15.411 THROUGH 15.429.
AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT LANDSCAPING 2.4 0.3 AND 2.44 FENCES AND WALLS, 2.5 0.1 AND 2.5 0.3.
PARKING 2.7 0.2 DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1, METALS, 5.3 0.3, AND 5.3 0.4 AND PAINT 5.4 0.2.
THE FINDINGS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE THE STRUCTURE OF THIS ADDRESS IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT INCLUDES REMOVAL OF A BRICK WALL AND EXISTING LANDSCAPING AND THE INSTALLATION OF NEW ENDS, NEW LANDSCAPING PAVING MATERIALS IN THE TERTIARY AREA OF VISUAL CONCERN.
THE PROJECT, EXCUSE ME, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
WE APPROVE THE PROJECT AS DESCRIBED.
WE HAVE A, A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA.
WE ISSUE THE COA ALL FAVOR STATE.
UH, ARE THERE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST WITH THE THIRD ONE 100? BILL? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
I AM ONE OF SEVERAL CONSULTANTS WORKING AT THE CURRENT TAPESTRY HOTEL.
WE RECUSE, UH, VICE CHAIRMAN FROM THIS MEETING FOR A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
UH, IS A CONSULTANT WITH THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT TO A SECOND.
COME FROM THE MEETING OR THIS PARTICULAR HEARING FROM THIS ITEM.
I'LL, I'LL SECOND THE HEARING, NOT THE MEETING.
WE, UH, APPROVED, UH, EXCUSE THE, UM, TRIP FOR THIS, UH, TOPIC.
[5.C. 100 Middle St. – to include revisions to planting islands and replacement of 10 trees in the parking lot in the Primary AVC.]
RIGHT, 100 MIDDLE STREET, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS, RIVERFRONT HOSPITALITY.AND, UH, THE DESIGNATED, UH, REPRESENTATIVE IS DEAN KIR.
UH, THEIR PROPOSAL IS TO REMOVE SEVEN CONCRETE ISLANDS ON, ON THE PARKING LOT AND REPLACE WITH TOP SOIL AND WF SHRUBS AND RED ROCK AND REMOVE 10 TREES AND REPLACE WITH NEW TREES.
UH, AND THERE'S SOME OTHER, UM, OTHER WORK THAT'S NOT RELEVANT.
UH, MINOR HOT SURFACE ASPHALT.
SO THE, UH, AS THE APPLICATION'S BEEN SIGNED BY MR. CORDIER AND DATED, THERE IS THE, UH, UH, FORM ALLOWING HIM TO REPRESENT THE OWNER.
SO THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A FEW, UH, PHOTOS THAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE.
UH, BUT, UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE, UH, ISLANDS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SOME HAVE ABSOLUTELY HARDLY ANY SPACE ON THEM, AND SOME HAVE TREES OR FIRE HYDRANTS.
UM, AND THESE ARE NOT ALL OF THE ISLANDS IN QUESTION, BUT JUST REPRESENTATIVE.
AND THEN, UH, THEY PROVIDED, NOW I'M GONNA GO SMALLER, SOME ILLUSTRATIONS FOR US.
UM, THIS ILLUSTRATION SHOWS, UH, THE HOTEL AT THE TOP OF THE IMAGE, UH, AND THE PARKING AREA, OBVIOUSLY AT THE BOTTOM HERE.
AND THE GREEN AREAS REPRESENT THE MOST OF THE ISLANDS THAT, UH, ESPECIALLY
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ON THE BOTTOM HERE, THOSE TINY LITTLE ISLANDS.AND THEN THEY ALSO SHOW THE TREES THAT ARE TO BE REMOVED.
UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE REST OF THE ISLANDS HERE, UH, JUST IN THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH, UH, FROM LEFT TO RIGHT.
UH, THINGS WILL BE EXPLAINED HERE A LITTLE BETTER IN A MINUTE.
UM, THEY ALSO PROVIDED, UH, THIS OTHER ILLUSTRATION, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT, WHY THAT ONE WAS, BUT, UH, UH, THEY, TODAY THEY PROVIDE, OR YESTERDAY THEY PROVIDED, UH, SOME IMAGES OF THE PLANTINGS THEY'RE PLANNING ON USING.
SO JUST, UH, AND THEY WILL CALL THOSE OUT IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS THE SLENDER SILHOUETTE, UM, SWEET GUM HERE.
AND THESE ARE THE CHINESE PIST, THIS ORANGE ONE AND THEN THE BOTTOM, OOPS, SORRY.
THE MIDDLE ONE IS THE CREPE MYRTLE.
WE ALL KNOW WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, RIGHT? AND THESE TWO ARE SOME OF THE ORNAMENTAL GRASSES.
THIS ONE IS CALLED THE, I CAN'T READ IT, LEY GRASS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THE OTHER ONE'S THE BLUE FESCUE MULEY MULEY GRASS.
SO, UM, WE PROVIDED A, AN OVERALL AERIAL OF THE, OF THE SITE HERE AND THE PROPERTY, PROPERTY LINES.
UH, AND HERE YOU CAN SEE AT SOME DISTANCE THOSE SAME, UH, ISLANDS AND SUCH.
AND THEN WE ZOOMED IN AND THE APPLICANTS, UM, NOTATED ON THIS ONE, UH, WHERE EACH OF THE PLANTS ARE.
SO I'M GONNA START IN THE UPPER LEFT, IT'LL BE MULLY GRASS AND, UH, IN THIS ISLAND AND THAT ISLAND.
AND THEN BLUE FESCUE IN THIS THIRD ONE AND FOURTH ONE.
THEN DOWN HERE WE HAVE, UM, IN THIS ISLAND, TWO, UH, SLENDER SILHOUETTE SWEET GUMS. AND THIS ONE IS A CREPE MYRTLE.
AND THIS ONE WILL BE CHINESE PIST.
AND THIS ONE CHINESE PIST AND THIS ONE CREPE MYRTLE, AND THEN TWO SLENDER SILHOUETTE SWEET GUMS. THEY NOTE THAT, UH, THE ABOVE IS THE ILLUSTRATION OF TREES AND GRASS, LOCATIONS ATTACHED OUR TREES AND GRASS IMAGES, WHICH WE JUST SAW.
WE WILL REMOVE THE MIDDLE ISLAND.
SO THERE ARE SEVERAL TREES IN THE MIDDLE THAT ARE IN THE TINY LITTLE FOUR FOUR BY FOUR PIECES OF DIRT.
UH, AND THEY'RE GONNA ADD TREE, ADD THOSE TREES THEN INTO THESE SIDE ISLANDS.
SO THEY WILL BE REPLACING, UH, ALL OF THE TREES THAT THEY HAVE WILL HAVE REMOVED.
UM, SO, AND THERE'S SOMETHING THERE ABOUT CITY CURVES, WHAT THAT IS YET.
SO, UH, WE ALSO DECIDED TO, UH, PULL UP A LOT MORE IMAGES OF THESE VARIOUS ISLANDS FOR YOU.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST ONE AS YOU APPROACH DOWN MIDDLE STREET, UM, AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT HERE ARE THE, THOSE LITTLE SKINNY ONES.
THIS, THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY SIDEWALK CONDITIONS, BUT THERE IS A PLANTING STRIP ALONG THERE, AND THERE'S SOME TREES ALONG HERE.
YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING THOSE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UH, AND THEN SAME AS YOU CONTINUE DOWN MIDDLE STREET AND TURN AROUND AND LOOK BACK.
UH, AND ALSO THIS, THIS LITTLE ISLAND HERE AT THE ENTRANCE WILL NOT BE TOUCHED EITHER, CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO, BUT THE NEXT ONE DOWN WITH THE GREEN TREES, THEN THAT, THAT, THOSE ARE STARTING TO BE THE ONES THAT THEY WILL BE, UM, WORKING ON.
AND TO, TO BE CLEAR, THESE IMAGES ARE FROM, UH, 2018, SO THEY'RE ALREADY, UH, SEVEN YEARS OLD, THESE IMAGES.
UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE ISLANDS.
THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAS THE FIRE HYDRANT.
UM, UH, AND THEN THIS ONE HAS A DRAINAGE, UH, PIECE THROUGH IT.
UM, AND THAT'S THAT DRAINAGE, UH, DRAINAGE WAY THROUGH THAT ONE.
SO THEN THERE'S SOME MORE DOWN HERE ON THE RIGHT.
AND THEN THAT ONE HAS YET ANOTHER ONE BEHIND IT UNTIL YOU'RE AT THE END OF THE PARKING LOT.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, IN THIS IMAGE HERE ON THE BOTTOM, UH, THE, UH, MID PARKING LOT, UM, PLANTER IS, UH, QUITE TINY FOR A SHADE TREE, UM, TO SURVIVE.
THIS ONE HAPPENS TO, I GUESS SURVIVE, BUT MAYBE BARELY AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T ANYMORE
SO, UM, AND THAT'S THAT LAST ONE.
OH, THEN, UH, ALSO INCLUDED THE ONES DOWN ON THE END ON CRAVEN STREET.
UM, YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING THESE DOWN HERE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THEN GO AROUND ON CRAVEN STREET, YOU SEE THE REST OF IT, UM, HAS THESE LITTLE BALLS OF SHRUBS, SHRUB BALLS HERE.
UH, AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE DOWN THIS SIDE HERE WHERE THE TINY LITTLE, UH, ISLANDS ARE AND SEE THEM THERE.
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IS THAT TINY, UH, TREE, TREE THING AND SEE HOW SMALL THAT TREE IS THERE.UM, THERE IS A, UM, A FENCED IN AREA THAT THE CITY OWNS FOR, UH, A, UH, ELECTRIC, UH, SUBSTATION OR SOMETHING THERE, UM, TRANSFORMER I GUESS.
AND THEN, UH, SOME MORE OF THOSE ISLANDS.
UH, I ALSO ADDED, UH, THIS ISLAND HERE THAT'S, UH, NOT IN THE PARKING LOT, BUT ALONG THE DRIVE THROUGH AND DROP OFF FOR THE HOTEL.
UH, THAT WILL NOT BE CHANGED EITHER, CORRECT? CORRECT.
ALRIGHT, SO THESE WERE SOME OF THE OTHER IMAGES THAT THEY PROVIDED OF THE CREEK MYRTLES.
AND, UM, THEY'VE CHANGED THE, THIS LEFT HAND PLANT MAYBE IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
AND THIS MUST BE THE, UH, ONE OF THE GRASSES, THE SQ I GUESS.
UM, THIS IS THE LETTER FROM THE ARBORIST, UM, TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE PROBLEMS OF THE EXISTING TREES.
AND IN SUMMARY, HE RECOMMENDS REMOVING ALL 10 CURRENT PARKING, PARKING LOT TREES AND REPLACING THEM.
ALRIGHT, SO THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR, OKAY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? UH, THE ONLY THING I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO ADD IS, UH, SORRY, YOUR NAME, DEAN CORDIER.
UH, THE ONLY THING IS THE, UH, OF THE SEVEN ISLANDS THAT, THAT ARE THERE ALONG THE, UH, THE EDGE.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT, BUT WE ARE TAKING OUT WHAT'S THERE.
UH, AND WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE REPLACED WITH IS A, THE, THE BARRIER BETWEEN WHERE THE ASPHALT IS AND THE BEDS, UM, IS GOING TO JUST BE A CEMENT CURVE THAT MIMICS, THAT ESSENTIALLY MATCHES WITH THE WAY IT LOOKS, UH, ON THE CITY SIDEWALKS AND, UH, STREETS.
SO MORE OR LESS A STANDARD CURB, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES.
BECAUSE THAT CAME UP AT THE MEETING.
THERE WAS SOME LIGHTING STANCES.
IS THE LIGHTING CHANGING AT ALL AS A RESULT OF THIS? NO.
UH, THE, THEY'RE GETTING SWITCHED.
THE, THE FIXTURES ARE GONNA BE SWITCHED OVER TO LED, BUT OKAY.
THERE'S NO VISIBLE, VISIBLE CHANGES.
ANY OPPONENTS OR PROPONENTS WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT? OKAY.
READY FOR YOUR SUMMARY? OKAY, SO THIS, THE ZONING INSPECTIONS AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL NOT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO HERE'S THE STAFF REPORT, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT IS DEAN KADI AND THE PROJECT ADDRESS, 100 MIDDLE STREET, UH, NONE OF THIS IS HISTORIC, SO NONE OF THE INFORMATION THERE IS AVAILABLE OR APPLICABLE.
SO THE PROJECT FOR 100 MIDDLE STREET IS TO INCLUDE REVISIONS TO PLANTING ISLANDS AND REPLACEMENT OF 10 TREES IN THE PARKING LOT IN THE PRIMARY A, B, C UH, STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, AKA GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR LANDSCAPING 2.413 AND FOUR FOR PARKING, 2.7 0.4 AND FIVE AND DESIGN PRINCIPLES 3.11.
SO THE STATEMENTS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION, UM, ARE NOT, WELL, NO, NONE OF THIS IS CORRECT.
SO WHAT IS WRONG? I GUESS THE STRUCTURE IS, UH, NOT A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE, UH, WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
UH, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE, AND THEN WE'LL GO UP TO THE TOP REVISIONS TO PLANNING ISLANDS AND REPLACEMENT OF 10 TREES IN THE PARKING LOT AND THE PRIMARY A, B, C.
UH, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENT ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UM, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THE BOARD? NO, I THINK WE COVERED, I THINK WE COVERED MOST OF THOSE IN THE WORKSHOP.
AND IT IS, EXCUSE ME, GOT HAY FEVER.
YOU'RE HAVING SOIL IN THE, IN THE ISLANDS AS OPPOSED TO SOME, WELL, WELL, EXCUSE ME, LAVA ROCK OR SOMETHING? CORRECT.
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THE, OKAY.UH, IN THE SEVEN THAT, THAT RUN THE, THE FAR SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT, THAT WILL BE SOIL, UH, THE OTHER ISLANDS WHERE WE'RE JUST TAKING THE TREES OUT AND REPLACING THEM.
UH, WE WERE JUST GONNA MAINTAIN THE RED ROCK THAT WAS THERE.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE, THE, THE SMALL BOX ONES THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THOSE ARE JUST COMING OUT ALTOGETHER AND ASPHALT OVER.
ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE PROJECT.
WANT ME TO TAKE A SHOT? YEAH, EXACTLY.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANT YOU TO, UH, YEAH, YEAH.
UM, I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR THE PROJECT AT A HUNDRED MIDDLE STREET, NOT, EXCUSE ME, TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE NEW BURNS CODES ORDINANCES SECTIONS 15.411 THROUGH 15.429 AND NEW BURNS HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT SECTION LANDSCAPING 2.423 AND 2.4.
PARKING 2.74 AND 2.7 DESIGN PRINCIPLES.
THE FINDINGS, IN FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE THE STRUCTURE AT THIS ADDRESS IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROS PROPOSED PROJECT IS REVISIONS TO PLANTING ISLANDS AND REPLACEMENT OF ABOUT 10 TREES IN THE PARKING LOT IN THE PRIMARY AREA OF VISUAL CONCERN.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, DOWNTOWN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS THE GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
UH, YOU, YOU SAID PRIMARY AREA AND IT SAYS THAT TERTIARY HERE, WHICH IS IT PRIMARY OR TERTIARY? I THINK PRIMARY.
THE PARKING LOT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF, YEAH.
I, I CONSIDER THE RIVER PRIMARY
UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO STATE? AYE.
OPPOSED? HEARING NONE APPROVED.
OPPOSED? COA SHOULD BE ISSUED.
WE, UH, READMIT TRIP TO THE STAND.
CAN YOU JUST GO HOME? DID YOU, DID YOU MAKE THE MOTION SO MOVED? YEAH.
UH, MR. YOUR RETURN TO THE BOX.
CAN, CAN WE HEAR SOME TESTIMONY? STATE? AYE.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OLD BUSINESS BAKER.
DID YOU WISH TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? NO, SIR.
UH, NEW BUSINESS WE DO HAVE, UH, WELL, LET'S SEE.
WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IN THE REPORT.
[9. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT A. REPORT ON MAJOR COAS DENIED (February 6 to March 6): None B. REPORT ON MAJOR COAS, EXTENSIONS, AMENDMENTS, and CONDITION APPROVALS ISSUED (February 6 to March 6): 211 Johnson St. Amendment 2 approved 2022 (found it had been unissued) – roofline, porch, windows, details 240 Middle St. Amendment – rear modifications, new window, transoms 316 Avenue C – fencing, gates 3 others pending C. REPORT ON MINOR COAS ISSUED (February 6 to March 6): 214 S. Front St. – driveway, walkways, new door 509 Craven St. – accessory stairway 610 Craven St. - reroofing 1409 N. Pasteur St. - handrails About 10 pending D. OTHER ITEMS AND UPDATES BY THE ADMINISTRATOR]
SORRY.OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR YOU COURT THEN.
SO, UH, YOU SEE HERE THE VARIOUS, UH, ACTIONS ON COAS, UH, DENIED EXTENSIONS, AMENDMENTS, CONDITION APPROVALS, AND MINORS THAT ARE ISSUED.
UH, HEY MATT, I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON ONE OF THOSE.
UH, ON TWO 11 JOHNSON UNDER B, IT SAID IT WAS APPROVED IN 2022, BUT HAD NOT BEEN ISSUED.
IS THAT, WAS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IT, IT HAD COME TO A HEARING AND MM-HMM
AND, AND IT HAD BEEN APPROVED.
IT JUST THE COA WAS NEVER ISSUED? THAT'S CORRECT.
PRESUMABLY THE WORK BEEN DONE NO.
BUT THE VOTE WAS MADE TO ISSUE THE COA? YEP, EXACTLY.
SO PHYSICALLY HE JUST NEVER GOT ISSUED.
SOMEBODY JUST DIDN'T GET AROUND.
UM, SO WE WANNA TALK TO HIM ABOUT
UM, UH, SO THERE IS A, UH, WE WANTED TO KNOW IF, UH, THERE'S ANY, UH, INTEREST OR INTENTION TO CONSIDER ANY CHANGES TO THE METAL ROOFING STANDARDS, UH, PARTICULARLY WHETHER OR NOT, UH, STRIATION WOULD COUNT AS CORRUGATION OR NOT.
LET'S TRY TO YOU DISCUSSION FOR THE STRIATION.
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JUST SO, UH, IT'S CLEAR IS BASICALLY, UH, A WAVY PATTERN THAT'S, UH, UH, UH, PRESSED INTO THE METAL.SO IT'S NOT, NOT FLAT LIKE WE REQUIRE OH, LIKE A SINGLE CURRENTLY METAL SHINGLE? NO.
UM, IT'S A STANDING SEAM EXCEPT IT'S GOT DIFFERENT YEAH.
THE PAT THE, THE PAN ITSELF, THE ENTIRE PAN HAS A KIND OF WAVY PATTERN ALL ALONG THE ENTIRE PAN.
YOU DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF IT, DO YOU? UH, NO.
I CAN LOOK PICTURE WOULD BE HELPFUL, BUT I CAN LOOK IT UP.
NOBODY'S TALKED TO ME, BUT I KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, WE SPENT MANY YEARS ASSURING FLAT BETWEEN THE RIDGES ENFORCING THAT.
I MEAN, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH BOOK OUT FOR WOOD.
ARE THESE, ARE THESE, ARE THESE, UH, STRIATIONS ARE VERY, IS IT NOTICEABLE FROM THE GROUND OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE YES, BUT IN APPROVING IT, WE'D BE APPROVING A NEW CLASS OF, SO TO SPEAK, ACTUALLY PULL UP A PHOTOGRAPH.
DOES IT HAVE ANY HISTORIC REFERENCE FROM? WOULDN'T WOULDN'T WE BE AMENDING THE GUIDELINES? YOU WOULD YES.
NO, WE'RE JUST ASKING TO TAKE YOUR TEMPERATURE, SO TO SAY.
UM, OR, OR IF MAYBE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN AWARE OF, WE COULD DO THAT TONIGHT OR WE COULD REFER IT TO THE CHANGE COMMITTEE WHOSE JOB IT IS TO DO THIS KIND OF STUFF.
WELL, I, I THINK WHAT STAFF IS ASKING, UM, IS JUST KIND OF A, ANECDOTALLY, IF PEOPLE HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT MAINTAINING THE STANDARDS AS THEY EXIST AS IT RELATES TO METAL ROOF EVIDENCE, THEN THERE'S NO REASON TO REFER TO ANY TYPE OF WORK GROUP.
UM, HOWEVER, IF PEOPLE ARE OPEN TO ENTERTAINING DIFFERENT, UM, STYLES OF METAL ROOFING, THEN THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR STAFF TO KNOW.
IS IT MOSTLY AN ISSUE OF COST? UH, NO.
FOR MOST PEOPLE IT'S AN ISSUE OF, UM, FINDING MATERIAL.
THE, UH, VERY FLAT, VERY FLAT PANS CAN LOOK LIKE THEY'RE OIL CANNING AND HEAT OR COLD CONDITIONS.
OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT A ANYTHING THAT, THAT'S NOT A, A SECTION USE DISTRICT.
THIS REQUEST, THAT ONE'S BEEN INSTALLED AND THEY'D LIKE TO GET APPROVAL FOR IT.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
WE, WE DO HAVE A PROPERTY THAT'S, UM, IN PROCESS THAT THERE IS CERTAINLY A SIGNIFICANT QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THEY COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT GUIDELINES.
AND AS OUR PROCESSES CURRENTLY EXIST, WHENEVER THERE IS A VIOLATION OF THE COA OR A VIOLATION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, UM, NOTICES GO OUT AND THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO, TO COMPEL THE OWNER TO COMPLY.
HOWEVER, UM, BEFORE THAT ACTION WERE TO GO OUT, IF THE COMMISSION HAS ANY APPETITE TO CHANGE THE RULES, WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO ISSUE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION IF IN A SHORT TIME IN THE FUTURE THE RULES WOULD BE CHANGED.
UM, SO EITHER WAY, UM, STAFF IS JUST LOOKING FOR SOME GENERAL GUIDANCE FROM YOU ALL ABOUT YOUR POSITION, WHETHER IT'S FIXED OR MALLEABLE ON THE ISSUE OF STANDING SE SUSE, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, THIS IS BLACK, IS IT THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT? SO YES.
SO IT'S, IT'S A, I GUESS IT'S A COLOR CHANGE, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER DISTINGUISH ON COLOR.
IS IS THE ROOF WET OR IS THAT JUST THE TEXTURE? THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE TEXTURE.
THAT'S THE FINISH IS IS IT THE FINISH OR THERE ARE RIPPLES? THERE ARE RIPPLES.
THE, AND, AND YOU GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A LOT LONGER THAN I HAVE, IS IS THE, THE DECISION TO STAY WITH THE FLAT PAN SEEMS LIKE THAT'S COME UP MANY TIMES.
UM, IS THAT BASED ON HISTORIC, UM, USE? IS THAT BASED ON, UH, THE MATERIALS THAT WERE AVAILABLE AT THE ORIGINAL TIME OF INSTALLATION? AND IS IS BECAUSE THIS IS A, OR COULD BE A NEWER STRUCTURE, DOES THAT APPLY? COULD THEY, COULD THEY USE DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAN WHAT WAS, SINCE IT'S AVAILABLE NOW WHEN THE HOUSE IS BUILT? THAT WAS A HORRIBLE WAY OF ASKING THE QUESTION,
SO IT WOULD BE CONTEMPORARY YES.
UM, WHICH WOULD THEN APPLY TO NEW CONSTRUCTION? YES.
THAT WOULD, THAT, THAT MUCH MORE ELOQUENT WAY IS ASKING MY QUESTION.
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YOU COMMENT ON OUR RESIDENT ARCHITECTURAL? I I CAN, DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE YOUR DISCUSSION BEFORE I TELL YOU WHERE I AM? BOTH.UM, TO, TO ANSWER MIKE'S QUESTION, THE, UH, FLAT PAN, UH, IS DERIVED FROM HISTORICAL PRECEDENT.
UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE FIND THESE STRIATIONS ON TWO TYPES OF PANEL.
UH, ONE, THE, THE LOWER PRICE POINT PANELS, BECAUSE THEY'RE THINNER, THEY NEED THE STRIATIONS TO HAVE RESISTIVE STRUCTURAL UPLIFT.
OR TWO, WHEN YOU HAVE, UH, HEAVY COMMERCIAL PANELS THAT USUALLY HAVE A MUCH WIDER PAN THAN WE WOULD ALLOW IN THE DISTRICT ANYWAY, THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE THOSE FEATURES AGAIN FOR THEIR STRUCTURAL PROPERTIES TO COMPLY WITH THE WINDWOOD.
UM, THE, THE WAY THE, THE GUIDELINES ARE, UM, INFORMED IF YOU WILL, THESE DAYS, THE STANDARDS, UH, THE, THE COMPROMISE BETWEEN A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND ONE THAT IS NEWER IS, IS THE FACT THAT, UM, UH, THE STANDARDS TRY TO BE RESPECTFUL THAT THERE ARE ALWAYS NEW AND EVOLVING MATERIALS.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE, YOU'LL SEE UP AT THE TOP OF THE RIDGE A VERY HEAVY RIDGE CAP THAT ALSO LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU'D SEE COMPARED TO A HAND ROLLED SEAM.
AND, AND SO THE, I THINK THE GUIDELINES TAKE THE POSITION OF A COMPROMISE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH A FLAT PAN AND A ROLLED SEAM LIKE, LIKE WOULD BE FOUND ON A A, A HAND FORMED METAL ROOF.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMPROMISE IS TO ALLOW A, A HIP OR RIDGE PANEL THAT STANDS UP ON TOP OF THE SEAMS AND, AND IS REALLY PREDOMINANT WHEN YOU COMPARE THE TWO SIDE BY SIDE, WHICH WE REALLY DON'T HAVE IN THE PICTURE, BUT IT WOULD BE, UM, PRETTY OBVIOUS TO YOU, UM, IF THERE WERE A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON
SO, SO THESE, THESE, UH, VER THESE STRIATIONS, THEY ARE STRUCTURAL IN SOME CASES.
SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, AND I I'M JUST GONNA MAKE UP SOME NUMBERS, BUT IF, IF YOU WERE TO PROVIDE A 24 GAUGE PEN, YOU WOULD NEED THE STRIATIONS TO COMPLY WITH THE WIND LOAD MM-HMM
SO WHEN I SAY A LOWER PRICE POINT, THEY, THEY DROP IT DOWN TO A, UH, YOU KNOW, A 20 GAUGE, 28 OR 30 GAUGE, I MEAN, REALLY STUFF YOU CAN MM-HMM
VERY EASILY BEND IN YOUR, IN YOUR HANDS AND, AND, AND SO THAT'S MY GUESS IS WHY YOU SEE THEM THERE.
I, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS PANEL IN PARTICULAR, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE SEE A QUESTION TO THEM.
THE OIL CANNING IS ONLY DURING TEMPERATURE CHANGE, CORRECT? IT'S NOT DAMAGING THE ROOF.
IT'S JUST MOVEMENT OF THE PANEL.
BUT AGAIN, IT ALSO HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE THICKNESS OF THE PANEL.
SO ONE OF THE STRATEGIES TO PREVENT OIL CANNING IS YOU PROVIDE A THICKER GAUGE, WHICH IS MORE RESISTANT TO THE RIPPLE THAT MIGHT BE CAUSED BY, BY TEMPERATURE.
SO IS HAVING TO REPLACE THEIR STANDING SCENE FLAT ROOF BECAUSE OF OIL CANNING.
SO THIS IS, I I I DON'T KNOW THE D WHAT IS OIL CANNON? SO GENERALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS IF YOU HAVE A A, A WIDTH OF METAL, SAY SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF SIX TO EIGHT INCHES, YOU CAN HEM THE EDGES MM-HMM
AND E EVEN WITH A THINNER GAUGE, IT GENERALLY WON'T SHOW THE MOVEMENT THAT COMES FROM TEMPERATURE CHANGE.
UM, WHEN YOU GET TO WIDER PANELS MM-HMM
UH, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN THE TEMPERATURE CHANGES THEY, THEY, THEY KIND OF GALLOP IF YOU WILL MM-HMM
IN THE PANS, NOT THE SEAMS. AND SO THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU HAVE THESE STRIATIONS THAT CREATES THAT STRUCTURAL THING THAT KEEPS THAT MOVEMENT DOWN.
BUT ALSO, AND OIL CANS, UH, OIL CAN IS A VERY SPECIFIC TECHNICAL TERM THAT YOU WILL FIND IN A CONSTRUCTION DICTIONARY, BUT, BUT IT, IT JUST MEANS THAT THE, UH, UH, I I UNDERSTAND.
I I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM THE THE METALS NON-PLAYER.
SO HOW WIDE ARE THESE PANELS AND HOW WIDE ARE STANDARD PANELS? SO, WELL WE ONLY ALLOW UP TO 24 INCHES OF DATA.
AND HOW WIDE ARE THESE? THOSE LOOK LIKE, LOOK LIKE 16.
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OH, UP TO, AND IN FACT, I'M SURE THERE'S 16.I BET THOSE BATTENS ARE 16 INCHES ON CENTER.
AND IT LOOKS JUST ABOUT THE SAME AS THE, DO YOU, WE ALLOW AFTER 24, AND THESE ARE 16 UP TO 24, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE FLAT.
DEPENDS ON SMALLER THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU HAND ROLL IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF YOUR MACHINE OR THE HOW, HOW YOU DO THE MATH.
WHEN YOU DO YOU HAND BREAK EVERYTHING IN THE FIELD? WHEN WE DEFENSE OFFICER, WHEN WE DO APPROVE CONTEMPORARY BUILDINGS USING THE CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, WE STILL SPEND A LOT OF TIME LOOKING FOR APPROPRIATE CORNER BOARDS, THINGS THAT ARE APPLIED IN A HISTORIC FASHION, LET'S SAY.
AND I THINK THAT THE ROOF MATCHES THAT A FLAT ROOF IS WHAT IS IN NEWBURG.
AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME MAINTAINING THAT TRADITION.
SO I, I'D BE AGAINST IT CHANGING.
I, ISN'T THERE NOT A LAWSUIT IN PROCESS ABOUT ONE TO TRIPLE NO, IT WAS BEF I'M SPEAKING ABOUT BEFORE MY TIME, BUT I HAVE HEARD THAT THERE WAS A, A SUIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT SUIT IS.
WAS, WAS THAT A RIPPLE ONE OR WAS THAT A STANDING SEAM ONE? RIGHT.
SO IN IN THAT, IN ESSENCE IT WAS MULTIPLE ISSUES THAT AND THE STRIATIONS WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES.
THEY HAD ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT VIOLATIONS.
AND SO, SO YOU'RE LOOKING, NOT A VOTE, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE ON THAT.
IS THIS OKAY? BECAUSE WE WOULD HATE TO MAKE SOMEONE CHANGE, UH, SOME ROOFING THAT, UM, TWO MONTHS OR FOUR OR SIX MONTHS LATER, WE CHANGED THE RULES TO WHERE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO REMOVE THEIR ROOFING.
AND, UM, THIS WAS, SO THE APPLICATION INCLUDED FLAT 24 OR LESS STANDING C, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE, THE HPC APPROVED PLAN SAID METAL ROOFING.
AND ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTS AND DISCUSSION REFERENCED ALL OF THE METAL ROOFING STANDARDS.
I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A ROLLED SEAM UP THERE.
WHICH WOULD BE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GLASS PANEL.
CAN'T, CAN'T TELL FROM THE, THE PICTURE.
BUT I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE THAT OVERLAPS THE SNAP, THE SNAP AROUND.
UM, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF, OF JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE HAVE SPENT IN ENSURING THAT WE GET FLAT STANDING, SAME ROOFS, I'D BE A LITTLE HARD PRESSED TO, TO, UM, START GOING DOWN THIS ROAD.
BUT, BUT I THINK GETTING MAYBE SOME MORE DATA ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT THIS IS.
OTHERS MAY HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION, BUT, UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF MY, MY SENSE FROM THOSE THAT HAVE SPOKEN.
SO TRIP, YOU'RE SAYING IT HAS TO HAVE A RIDGE VENT LIKE THAT TYPICALLY, OR WE COULD IT HAVE A WELL, IT'S NOT A VENT, IT'S JUST A, A PIECE OF FLASHING BUSINESS CAP.
SO IT WILL LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES WE'RE LOOKING AT OUT THERE.
AND THAT'S JUST THE COMPROMISE WE'VE MADE, UH, HISTORICALLY IN, IN THE WRITING OF THE STANDARDS.
SO THE SENSE I'M GETTING FROM THE COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING EXPRESSED, UM, AND I GUESS THE SILENCE ALSO IS THAT, THAT THIS BODY HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON THE STANDARDS, UM, AND DONE A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS OF, UM, APPROPRIATE STRUCTURES WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
AND AT THIS MOMENT, YOU ALL ARE SATISFIED WITH THE METAL ROOF STANDARDS THAT EXIST.
I DON'T SEE ANYONE SHAKING THEIR HEAD.
I'M NOT SHAKING MY HEAD EITHER.
BUT THE, THE, MY ONLY HESITATION WITH THAT, I THINK THAT WAS A, A, A GREAT SUMMARY, IS THAT SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD, I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, A DISCUSSION ON REPLACEMENT MATERIALS.
I MEAN, I THINK REPLACEMENT, WHAT REPLACEMENT MATERIALS.
AND, AND, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME, YOU KNOW, A MURMURING ABOUT THAT.
AND, AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WOULD HAPPEN, IF THAT WILL HAPPEN, IF IT'LL BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE SOME DISCUSSION AND I, I, I CAN'T SAY WHETHER OR NOT ROOFING WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE THAT WOULD COME UP DURING SUCH DISCUSSIONS, BUT THE PERSON WOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT A METAL ROOF ON.
SO, BUT YET ANOTHER CONCESSION, RIGHT? MM-HMM
DOES EVERYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT? BUT WHAT IS THE CON CONSEQUENCES? THIS, THIS HOMEOWNER HAS TO, UH, GET A NEW ROOF? IS IS
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THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO DO? YES.SOMEONE PUT THIS ROOF ON ALREADY.
SO THAT'S THE QUESTION THEY'RE ASKING.
I THINK I HEARD THAT THAT'S NOT THE FIRST, NOT THE FIRST TO DO SOMETHING.
UNFORTUNATELY IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE.
DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE, IN FACT, IT HAPPENED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THAT MATT JUMPED IN THE MIDDLE OF, UM, OVER ON CRAVEN.
IN FACT, WE SAW THIS HOUSE COME UP 18 MONTHS AGO WITH THE GARAGE ON THE RIVER.
REMEMBER IT WAS THE INFILL PROJECT WHERE THE GARAGE IS ACTUALLY KIND OF SUSPENDED OVER, OR I CONSIDER AN AREA THAT YOU COULD NOT BUILD ON, BUT
DOES THAT GIVE YOU ANY GUIDANCE, MATT? WHAT'S THAT? DOES THAT GIVE YOU ANY GUIDANCE? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO, UH, REMIND YOU OF IS, UH, WE'RE COMING TO THE END OF OUR, UM, FISCAL YEAR AND THE END OF OUR, UM, UH, VARIOUS TERMS. THERE'S, UH, TWO PEOPLE, UM, TRIP AND JIM BISBY, WHOSE TERMS SECOND TERMS WILL BE EXPIRING.
SO THEY WILL HAVE TO STEP OFF THE HPC AND I BELIEVE, MOLLY, I THINK YOUR FIRST TERMS COMING UP AT THE END OF THIS MM-HMM
WAIT, IS IT AT THE END OF JUNE? YES.
WE'LL END, CAN'T WE JUST AMEND THEM TO KEEP 'EM ON? WHAT'S THAT? CAN WE JUST AMEND THE RULES A LITTLE BIT TO, FOR ONE MORE YEAR? YEAH.
YOU'LL HAVE TO ASK, UH, THE ALDERMAN, BUT, UM, I SAY STATE STATUTE, I BELIEVE, UH, THREE YEAR TERMS. TWO, NOT QUITE, NOT QUITE SURE.
BUT ANYWAY, IT, IT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE.
SO THAT'S ENOUGH TO NO, WELL, THREE YEAR INDIVIDUAL, SIX YEAR TERM.
SO, UM, UH, MOLLY, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE, YOU SHOULD CONTACT YOUR APPOINTER.
UH, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS OFFHAND.
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW, I CAN LOOK IT UP.
AND THE OTHER TWO GENTLEMEN, UM, FEEL FREE TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS, BUT, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, UH, THEY CHOOSE FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR, UM, APPLICATION OR THEIR INTEREST.
IT'S A FILL IN AN ONLINE FORM ONLINE.
UH, SO IF YOU, ANY OF YOU KNOW, ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER, UM, TO FILL TWO EMPTY SLOTS, UH, COMING UP, STARTING IN JULY, UM, UH, LET THOSE PEOPLE KNOW TO FILL OUT THOSE, UM, THAT ONLINE FORM.
UH, THERE'S PROBABLY A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE ALREADY IN THERE, BUT IT'S REALLY UP TO, IT'S NOT A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS.
UM, UH, IT'S UP TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE APPOINTING.
UM, AND I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT APPOINTED YOU ARE THE ONES THAT, OR THE POSITIONS, UM, UH, WILL BE APPOINTING THE PEOPLE TO FILL YOUR SEAT.
SO, JIM, DO YOU KNOW WHO THAT IS FOR YOU? IT CHANGED 'CAUSE THEY REDISTRICTED, I THINK IT WAS, UM, OH, THE OLD FIRE CHIEF AND THEN SABRINA.
SO I'LL HAVE TO LOOK IT UP, UM, FOR BOTH OF YOU.
UM, AND THEN I'LL PASS THAT AROUND SO THAT, UM, BOBBY, THAT'S WHAT, YEP.
UH, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR THIS YEAR.
ONE YEAR WE HAVE FOUR, ANOTHER YEAR, AND MOST YEARS WE HAVE THREE, BUT, AND ONE YEAR WE HAVE TWO.
SO GO FIGURE, AS WE JUST TALKED IN THE DESIGN REVIEW, I, MY WIFE WOULD DIVORCE ME IF I, IF I STAYED ON.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE A CONSULTANT, IF YOU WILL, AND FOLLOW THE LANDMARK PROJECT.
TO COMPLETION ON THAT, ON THE UPDATES WORK GROUP.
SO, AND AS YOU STEP OFF, UM, YOU CAN ALWAYS, UH, TRY TO WORK WITH ONE OF THE WORK GROUPS, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEER TO WORK WITH ONE OF THE WORK GROUPS.
THAT'S AN OPTION ALSO FOR ANYONE LISTENING TONIGHT WHO MAY WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE HPC.
UM, ASIDE FROM THE, UH, BEING ON THE BOARD, UH, THEY, WE HAVE FOUR WORK GROUPS.
ONE IS THE UPDATES TO THE GUIDELINES, UH, WORK GROUP.
ANOTHER ONE IS THE, UH, PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
SO WE WORK WITH SOME OF THE, UH, UH, PROPERTIES THAT NEED REPAIRS.
UH, AND THE THIRD ONE IS CALLED THE HISTORIC PROPERTY OWNER SUPPORT NETWORK.
UH, SORRY, SUPPORT WORK GROUP.
UH, AND THEY'RE PRIMARILY WORKING IN THE DRY BOROUGH NATIONAL REGISTER, HISTORIC DISTRICT AREA.
UH, AND THEN FOURTHLY IS THE AWARDS, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AWARDS WORK GROUP.
SO, UM, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN DOING ANY OF THOSE, UM, LET US KNOW.
AND ALSO, IF YOUR TERM IS EXPIRING AND YOU'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR REAPPOINTMENT, YOU MIGHT
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CONSIDER REQUESTING TO BE APPOINTED TO ONE OF OUR OTHER APPOINTED BOARDS.UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER BOARD THAT, UM, CONDUCTS QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, SO THAT EXPERIENCE WILL BE QUITE VALUABLE.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF NEW MM-HMM
WHEN, WHEN DO YOUR TERMS RUN UP? END OF JUNE.
ALL TERMS END JUNE 30TH AND BEGIN JULY 1ST.
FIRST A COUPLE OF MONTHS OF ACTUALLY SERIOUS WORK THIS TIME.
NOW THE OTHER THING THOUGH, UH, IS IT'S A PECULIAR, UH, THING IS IF, UH, SOMEONE HAS NOT YET BEEN APPOINTED FOR YOUR SEAT, UH, YOU ARE STILL ALLOWED TO CONTINUE UNTIL SOMEONE, UH, DOES, UH, FILL YOUR SEAT.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE MAY NOT HAVE THE, UH, QUORUM THAT WE NEED EVERY, EVERY TIME.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? HEARING NONE BEING, UH, MOTION TO ADJOURN ME.
SECOND BEING THE ADJOURN ALL FAVOR STATE.
DO HAVE THE PICTURE OF THE ROOFING? MOLLY DID.
MOLLY, CAN YOU SHOW THAT TO ME?