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          OKAY, 
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EVERYBODY, I WOULD 
          [Municipal Service District Meeting on May 20, 2025.]
LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE CITY OF NEW BERN MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          THIS IS OUR REGULAR MEETING. 
          TO ORDER AND ASK THAT WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          DAVID BARAL. 
          HERE. 
          BANGAL. 
          HERE. 
          JOHN HARON? HERE. 
          MIKE LENTZ. 
          MIKE HERE. 
          V LEWIS. 
          HERE. 
          MICKEY MILLER? HERE. 
          GEORGE OLIVER? HERE. 
          DR. 
          JIM POLO. 
          HERE. 
          JOHNNY ROBINSON? HERE. 
          MICHAEL LEE. 
          ROSE WATSON? HERE. 
          KAREN SULLIVAN. 
          HERE. 
          ALDERMAN PRO. 
          HERE. 
          ALDERMAN NASTER? HERE. 
          FOSTER HUGHES HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. 
          IN YOUR PACKET, UM, YOU WERE SENT, THERE IS A COPY OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR REGULAR MEETING ON FEBRUARY THE 18TH, AND OUR WORK SESSION THAT WAS HELD ON THE NINTH. 
          UM, I'LL, WHENEVER ANYBODY'S READY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY, IF THEY'RE CHANGES OR BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. 
          IF THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE, MOVE WE ACCEPT SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY BOTH OF THEM. 
          YES, BOTH SIDES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I HAVE A MOTION BY JOHN HARRELSON AND A SECOND BY JOHNNY ROBINSON. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. 
          KIM, OUR FINANCIAL REPORT AS OF APRIL 30TH, 2025, THE TOTAL ASSETS IS 2,295,000. 
          $55 ARE ON DEFERRED AND FLOWS, WHICH CONSIST OF THE PREPAID TAXES IS THOUSAND 9 0 1, WITH A TOTAL NET POSITION AT THIS TIME WITH 2 MILLION 292 1 54, UM, INCLUDING THE LIABILITIES AND DEFERRED, UM, ENCLO RESOURCES IN THAT POSITION. 
          WE'RE AT 2,000,296. 
          IS THERE ANY BUDGETS ON THE, UM, COMPARATIVE BALANCE SHEET? OKAY. 
          THE NEXT PAGE IS THE, UM, BUDGET ACTUAL, AND THIS TIME OUR TOTAL REVENUES, UM, ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE PAGE IS $437,012 20. 
          UM, THAT'S THE BUDGET. 
          AND THEN, I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SO THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE BUDGET. 
          THE SECOND COLUMN IS THE ACTUAL, AND THE THIRD COLUMN IS THE VARIANCE BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S, UM, IT, THE APRIL 30TH, JUST YOU'RE UNDER BUDGET BY 29,000. 
          THE TOTAL EXPENDITURES IS $193,888. 
          SO YOU'VE JUST, UM, UNDER BUDGET THERE. 
          BY 81,538, WE HAVE THE TOTAL OTHER FINANCING USES OF $42,000. 
          OUR CHANGE IN THAT POSITION IS $201,124 IN THE PRIOR PERIOD. 
          AND THEN THE, UM, THE NET POSITION AS OF APRIL 30TH, AGAIN, IS 2,000,290 2001 $54. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS REPORT? THE NEXT PAGE IS THE DEATH REPORT. 
          SO THAT SHOWS, UM, BOTH OF THOSE LOANS. 
          THEY'RE BOTH PAID OFF IN FISCAL YEAR 2020 7 28. 
          WE HAVE A TOTAL BALANCE REMAINING AS OF, UM, YEAH, JUNE 30TH, 2025 WILL BE 290 2007 $19 AND 70 AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR KIM? IF NONE, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE FINANCIAL REPORT? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I'M SORRY. 
          I DO. 
          IT'S A QUESTION THAT I, I'VE, UH, RAISED BEFORE, BUT TO CLARIFY, UM, THE MSD IS REALLY JUST THE TAXING AUTHORITY. 
          UM, IT'S A REGION. 
          UM, WHY DO THEY COLLECT RENT OR FOR PARKING SPACES? WHY IS RENTAL INCOME COMING BACK INTO THE MSD? 'CAUSE IT'S FOR PROPERTY THAT WE KNOW THAT WE PAY FOR. 
          BUT WITH THE MS. DSD DOESN'T OWN PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BUT IT WAS PAID FOR WITH MSC FUNDS. 
          SO THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED. 
          IS IT INVESTMENT COMPANY THEN? UH, ARE WE, ARE WE INVESTMENT COMPANY THAT BUYS LAND AND, AND RAISES MONEY? NO, NO, WE'RE NOT IN THE, THE MSD IS NOT A LOOK AT IT AS A FUND. 
          AND SO AT SOME POINT, THE GOVERNING BOARD DETERMINED THAT THE, THE REVENUES THAT WERE GENERATED OFF OF WHETHER IT WAS RENTAL FOR A, FOR A, UM, LEASE ON THE PARKING SPACE OR FOR THE FUNDS COLLECTED, UM, 
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UH, UH, FOR THE PAY TO PARK AT THE LOT SIDE OF THE CITY HALL OR THE FARMER'S MARKET RENT, THE GOVERNING BOARD DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED THOSE FUNDS TO GO BACK INTO THAT MSD OKAY. 
          ACCOUNT. 
          THAT, THAT WAS THE WHOLE GOAL OF THAT. 
          SO AT SOME POINT ALONG THE LINE, THAT'S HOW THAT WAS DETERMINED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT ACTUALLY WENT BEFORE THE BOARD OF ALDER? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE JUST ADVISED OURSELVES, BUT IT WAS PROPERTY. 
          YOU KNOW, SAME THING LIKE THE, UM, UH, FARMER'S MARKET. 
          THEY PAY $500 A MONTH RENT TO MSD. 
          AND SO THEREFORE WE USED THOSE FUNDS TO MAINTAIN THE FIVE FARMER'S MARKET. 
          WE PUT IN NEW DOORS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WERE NEEDED, UPGRADES THAT WERE NEEDED. 
          SO, AND THAT WAS LOADED ON ALDERMAN, ASK THE FARMER'S MARKET TO PAY 500 A MONTH AND THEN THAT THOSE FUNDS WOULD COME BACK IN TO MSD. 
          THEREFORE, WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF ANY MAINTENANCE ITEMS OR WHATEVER IS NEEDED TO UPGRADE THAT BECAUSE IT IS AN ASSET TO THE  PROPERTIES. 
          WELL, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THOUGHTS. 
          I'M JUST REVIEWING THE STATUTE THAT CREATED THE MSD FOR THE STATE AND THEN OUR OWN FORMATIVE DOCUMENTS FOR THE CITY. 
          I DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT VERBIAGE OF THAT CONCEPT IN THERE. 
          BUT IF IT'S BEEN VOTED ON BY THE ALDERMAN AT SOME POINT AND, AND THAT'S A NEW STATUTE ADJUSTMENT THAT I'M SURE IT'S REFLECTED SOMEWHERE IN WRITING. 
          YES, IT'S OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS. 
          ANY TIME THAT YOU HAVE FOR SCOTT DAVIS, HE COULD PROBABLY POINT TO THE EXACT VERBIAGE OR HELP YOU WITH THAT. 
          YOU FREE TO CONTACT HIM, HELP YOU ON ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I NEED A MOTION, UM, TO APPROVE THE CITY OF, UH, EMSP BUDGET FINANCIALS. 
          SO MOVED, JOHNNY, ROB, AND A SECOND, SECOND FROM VAUGHN. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          FOSTER, TELL US ABOUT THE IEDC DOWNTOWN SURVEY AND FOCUS PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT A FEW UPDATES. 
          ONE OF IS THE, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT ON MAY 13TH, THE GOVERN BOARD ADOPTED THE FFY 2026 BUDGET. 
          THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET WILL BE $52,955,000. 
          TOTAL CITYWIDE BUDGET IS $166,311,000. 
          WHAT WE DID INCLUDE IN THE MSD BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR ALREADY WAS SOME MAINTENANCE RELATED ITEMS. AND THAT INCLUDE INCLUDED, UM, ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR STAFF TO ACTUALLY PATROL THE DOWNTOWN STREETS FOR, FOR ADDITIONAL TRACKS TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE DOWN THERE. 
          IF YOU'VE BEEN DOWN THERE RECENTLY, YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF WEEDS GROWING UP, UH, IN THE SIDEWALKS. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DEDICATED PERSON TO TAKE CARE OF THAT MOVING FORWARD. 
          ALSO, WE'VE, UH, UH, ADDED APPROXIMATELY $10,000 TO START, UH, RETAINING LIGHT POLES DOWNTOWN. 
          SO THAT'LL START AT SOME POINT THIS SUMMER. 
          AND ONCE THOSE FUNDS HAVE BEEN EXPENDED, WE'LL JUST LOOK AT REALLOCATING THAT IN FUTURE BUDGETS AND ALSO THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, UH, NEWBURN BANNERS THAT YOU'VE SEEN. 
          A LOT OF THOSE HAVE JUST BEEN TORN UP RIGHTS THAT WE'VE INCLUDED FUNDS IN THERE TO REPLACE THOSE WITHIN THE MSD. 
          I ALSO WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE IEDC DOWNTOWN SURVEY AND FOCUS GROUP PROJECT. 
          SO YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL RECEIVED AN, AN EMAIL FROM MYSELF OR, OR THE CHAMBER OR SWISS BEAR OR SOME OTHER IN UH, WAYS TO, UH, TO LET YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. 
          WE RECEIVED A GRANT FROM THE EASTERN CAROLINA COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS TO WORK WITH THE IEDC. 
          AGAIN, WE, WE DID THIS LAST SUMMER WITH TWO, WITH ANOTHER PROJECT, AND THE, THE FOCUS IS ON THE DOWNTOWN, BUT SINCE WE, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF TRACTION WITH WHERE THE OLD PENNIX IS, WE'VE DECIDED TO KIND OF GO UP THAT AREA AS WELL TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS, UM, CONVERSATION. 
          SO THE GOAL IS, UH, TO GET SOME FEEDBACK THROUGH MAY 30TH ON THE SURVEYS. 
          AND I THINK SO FAR WE SENT THIS INFORMATION OUT YESTERDAY AND SO FAR WE'VE HAD SEVERAL RESPONSES. 
          WE'RE GONNA SET UP SOME FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR. 
          THE, THE MEETINGS WILL BE ABOUT AN HOUR TO AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES EACH. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE ON JUNE 2ND AND THIRD. 
          AND STAFF IS IN THE PROCESS OF REACHING OUT TO, TO NOT ONLY RESIDENTS, BUT UH, BUSINESS OWNERS, UH, NON-PROFITS, UH, CERTAIN COMMITTEES LIKE THE MSD ADVISORY COMMITTEE SWITCH, BEAR THE CHAMBER AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO INVITE THEM TO GET THEIR INPUT FOR THAT. 
          SO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THAT INFORMATION. 
          UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO, SIR. 
          I DO. 
          I JUST TO ADVISE THE UM, M MSD BOARD, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY THIS, BUT THE, UM, TAX RATE DID STAY THE SAME AS THE TAX RATE. 
          THE TAX RATE, WHICH IS 13 CENTS. 
          13 CENTS, IT'S, UH, UH, 11 11 22. 
          AND SO THE REASON WE DID NOT ADJUST THAT IS BECAUSE THE CONVERSATION WE, WE'VE HAD WITH THIS GROUP AND GOAL THIS YEAR IS TO, TO SEE SEVERAL PROJECTS BEING STARTED. 
          SO, UM, IF THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN, THEN OBVIOUSLY YES, WE, WE CAN ADDRESS 
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THAT AS WE COME INTO THE NEXT YEAR. 
          BUT I ANTICIPATE, UH, THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MAKING SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO INTO SOME PROJECTS. 
          SOME OF THESE WERE ACTUALLY A COMBINATION OF, UH, CITY STAFF PROPOSED AND THINGS WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, AND I'VE GOT A LITTLE PACKET FOR YOU, ARE, ARE KIOSKS. 
          SO WE, WE TALKED ABOUT KIOSKS FOR A WHILE, GRANT, AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ONE. 
          JOHNNY ROBINSON HAD TURNED SOME INFORMATION IN ON THIS. 
          UM, AND, UM, LET'S SEE. 
          JIM POLO HAD, HAD, HAD MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS AS WELL. 
          IT'S HARD TO FIND COMPANIES THAT WILL, THAT WILL DO THIS. 
          THE ONE THAT JOHNNY ROBINSON FOUND, ALL THEY FOCUS ON ARE THE TOP 10 LARGEST CITIES IN THE COUNTRY. 
          SO THEY, AND THOSE, THAT'S A FREE KIOSK. 
          THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH US. 
          BUT WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING ARE TWO KIOSKS. 
          ONE TO BE PLACED AT THE ENTRANCE OF BEAR PLAZA AND THE OTHER ONE RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARKING LOT ON THE, ON CRAVEN STREET PARKING. 
          SO SAME GENERAL LOCATIONS, JUST ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF THAT AREA. 
          THE COST PER KIOSK IS ABOUT $31,000 EACH. 
          THE DIMENSIONS, AND YOU CAN SEE OF WHAT THESE LOOK LIKE, THEY'RE 52 BY 52 BY 96. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS, UH, AC ACTUAL DIGITAL DISPLAY ON ONE SIDE, WHICH WOULD HAVE A 30 BY 60 DISPLAY. 
          AND THEN THE THREE OTHER SIDE IS WHERE YOU CAN PUT BASICALLY A BACK LIFT POSTER BOARD ON THERE. 
          SO WE COULD HAVE A MAP THAT SAYS YOU ARE HERE. 
          YOU COULD HAVE AN INFORMATION ON UPCOMING SPECIAL EVENTS. 
          YOU COULD HAVE INFORMATION ON, UM, ANY OF THE HISTORY WALKS WE HAVE. 
          AND THOSE THINGS ARE INTERCHANGEABLE WITH THE DIGITAL DISPLAY. 
          IT, IT, IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING. 
          IT'S NOW, IT'S NOT TOUCH SCREEN WELL, IT'S NOT TOUCH SCREEN RESPONSIVE, BUT IT CAN PROVIDE A VARIETY OF VIDEOS. 
          UH, IT CAN SHOW ADS OF BUSINESSES IF, IF NEED BE. 
          IT CAN SHOW A VARIETY OF INFORMATION AND IT LOOKS REALLY ATTRACTIVE. 
          AND AFTER THIS MEETING, I'LL, I'LL SEND YOU A LINK OF WHAT THEY SENT US FROM ANOTHER CITY JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHAT IT'LL DO. 
          BUT I THINK IT WILL DEFINITELY ADD A LOT TO THE DOWNTOWN. 
          UH, IF WE GET A RECOMMENDATION, WE'LL BRING THIS TO THE BOARD AT THE NEXT MEETING IN JUNE. 
          ESTIMATED DELIVERY TIME AFTER ORDER IS ABOUT 60 DAYS AND IT WOULD COST ABOUT $62, $62,000 TAX NOT INCLUDED FOR THIS. 
          I'D LOVE TO HEAR ANY DISCUSSION ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ON THIS. 
          IS THERE A WAY THAT THAT ADVERTISING COULD BE SOLD TO HELP RAISE MONEY TO MAINTAIN THESE AND PAY THE COST FOR ELECTRICITY ADVERTIS THEIR PURCHASE? YEAH. 
          IS THERE ANY THOUGHT TO MAYBE PUTTING, PUTTING SOME OTHER, UM, KIOSKS OUT, LIKE OUTSIDE OF THE BAPTIST CHURCH WHERE THAT KIND OF P*****K STREETS, SO WHEN PEOPLE COMING INTO TOWN TO PARK CREEK WOULD THEN HAVE INFORMATION THERE. 
          UM, SO THEY WOULD KIND SEE THAT'S BESIDES CITY HALL. 
          YEP, THAT'S UNION POINT IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE A LOT OF VISITORS COME AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR WHAT'S UP IN TOWN. 
          AND THE, THE SCARIEST THING ABOUT UNION POINT PARK AND A LOT OF THE, THE CONTROLS ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS. 
          'CAUSE I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMPANY ON THAT, WITH UNION POINT PARK, AND YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T FLOOD A LOT, BUT WHEN IT DOES IT CAN FLOOD IS, IS HAVING TO GO IN THERE KNOWING, KNOWING WHEN IT'S GONNA BE A HIGH TIDE AND BASICALLY DISCONNECT THIS THING AND MOVE IT. 
          SO THAT MAY NOT BE THE BEST LOCATION UNLESS WE WERE TO GREATLY BUILD UP THE AREA. 
          SO FOSTER, CAN THEY BE SOLAR POWERED? ARE THEY THEY'RE NOT SOLAR POWERED? NO, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR OWN OWN POWER. 
          YOU KNOW, I WANT EVERYBODY, I OPEN MIND. 
          I DEFINITELY, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LONG TIME IS TO BE AN ASSET. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR, AS WE GO THROUGH ALL THESE PROJECTS, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AN OPEN MIND ABOUT THAT. 
          WE COMBINE THESE AND POTENTIALLY EITHER, UM, DO A LOAN INSTALLMENT SO THAT WE COULD DO MANY PROJECTS AND THEN PAY THE FUNDS LIKE WE DID WITH THE STREETS. 
          WE WERE ABLE TO DO MORE OF THE STREETS BY DOING THAT PROCESS. 
          AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE INDIVIDUALLY, WE MAY SAY, YES, THIS SOUNDS GOOD, BUT THEN MAYBE COME TOGETHER FOR A, A FULL BUDGET IDEA OF MANY PROJECTS THAT WE CAN SEND AND WE CAN SEND THEM IN ONE, ONE FELL SWOOP RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, NITPICK. 
          OKAY. 
          I FEEL LIKE ALDERMAN EVERY WEEK, EVERY MEETING WILL GET ONE. 
          AND THEY'RE ONLY MEETING ONCE A MONTH NOW, UM, THROUGH, IS IT AUGUST OR EPTEMBER? EPTEMBER THROUGH AUGUST. 
          THROUGH AUGUST. 
          SO THEY'RE ONLY ONE MEETING A MONTH. 
          SO AGAIN, IT WOULD BE BETTER. 
          I, I WOULD JUST A THOUGHT WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALL THESE PROJECTS IS TO LOOK AT ALL OF THEM, YAY OR NAY THEM MAYBE, AND THEN PUT 'EM INTO THE PILE AND ASK FOR APPROVAL ALL AT ONCE RATHER THAN SHOOTING ONE AT A TIME OVER TO THEM. 
          AND, AND, YOU KNOW, DOING LOAN PROCEEDS TO ME WOULD BE EASIER WAY TO DO, I CAN HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT ON THESE BOARDS. 
          IF, IF WE COULD MAKE AN EFFORT AS, AS TOWN IS LITTERED WITH SANDWICH BOARDS, IF WE COULD MAYBE HAVE ADVERTISING, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUSINESSES, UH, TO, ON THESE KIOSKS 
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SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE AS MANY SANDWICH BOARDS AROUND TOWN. 
          WE COULD SERVE BOTH PURPOSES, ADVERTISING FOR BUSINESSES AND CLEANING UP THE TOWN, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION FOR SEVERAL DIFFERENT GROUPS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, YOU'D BE HARD PRESSED TO GET THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES TO AGREE WITH THAT. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A COST TO THE ADVERTISING VERSUS PUTTING YOUR SIGN OUT, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR SANDWICH SIGN. 
          AND I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO AT LEAST GET SOME INPUT FROM THEM. 
          I KNOW THAT IT DOES. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE, I THINK A STANDARD, I KNOW SWISS BEAR TRIED THAT A FEW YEARS AGO, IF WE HAD STANDARD TO SAY, THIS IS THE MATERIAL YOU USE, THIS IS WHERE IT'S PLACED. 
          THE BIGGEST PET PEEVE I HAVE IS NOBODY PUTS IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU WALK DOWN THE STREET AND IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK VERSUS OUT TO THE CURB. 
          BUT MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE WHAT IS THE COST? I MEAN, IN ORDER TO SAY YOUR BUSINESS IS SOMEWHERE, DO YOU HAVE TO PAY 200, 300, $500? I DON'T, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE COST WOULD BE ON THIS, BUT HOW WOULD THEY FEEL DOING THAT VERSUS THE SIGN THEY'VE ALWAYS HAD PUTTING IT OUT ON THE SIDEWALK TO LET SOMEBODY KNOW THEY'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS. 
          MAYBE ONE SOLUTION WOULD BE THAT IF YOUR BUSINESS IS LOCATED WITHIN THE M MS D, THEN IT'S A REDUCED RATE, A SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED RATE. 
          WHEREAS IF IT'S OUTSIDE THAT YOU, YOU STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND IT COULD BE, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO THINK, I, I, I'D LIKE THAT IDEA. 
          I THINK IT'S BENEFIT TO THE PEOPLE THAT DO HAVE BUSINESSES IN, IN THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF AS, AS WE GO FORWARD. 
          AND I GUESS WE WON'T REALLY EVEN KNOW THE QUESTIONS UNTIL WE REALIZE HOW MUCH WE WOULD CHARGE FOR ADVERTISING. 
          YOU KNOW, IN MOST CASES, A LOT OF THOSE DIGITAL BOARDS ARE EXPENSIVE AND THEY'VE BEEN FOR, YOU KNOW, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF THIS DO WE WANT TO DEFRAY? ARE WE TRYING TO RAISE $31,000 IN, IN ADVERTISING PER MACHINE? I DON'T KNOW. 
          OR ARE WE TRYING TO RAISE 15 OR 10? WHAT IS THE NUMBER? SO UNTIL WE KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS, QUESTION POSSIBLY THE, UM, SO THESE TWO STYLES THAT YOU HAVE HERE, ARE THEY THE ONLY TWO OR ARE THESE JUST THAT, THAT IS THE MAIN STYLE OF, OF WHAT YOU SEE? THE, THE, THE SQUARE, THEY COME IN A VARIETY OF COLOR. 
          SO IT'S BASICALLY AN UNLIMITED COLOR ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE. 
          WE, WE WOULD JUST BE RECOMMENDING THE CONCEPT AND THEN THE, THE DETAIL OF THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WHAT WOULD BE THAT'S CORRECT. 
          TRUE. 
          AND THIS IS THE COST FOR THIS STYLE? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          UH, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE ADDING, AND WE DON'T REALLY, IN ALL REALITY, WE LOOKED AT JUST ONE OF THE LIVE SCREEN MONITORS THERE. 
          THEY'RE ABOUT 20 GRAND EACH FOR THIS. 
          SO IT'S HARD TO JUSTIFY DOING FOUR AROUND THIS OR EVEN TWO. 
          UH, I LIKE THE THOUGHT OF JUST HAVING SOME INTERACTIVE, UH, THINGS WHERE YOU JUST PULL AND UPDATE, UH, ANY MAPS THAT NEED TO BE DONE WITH THAT. 
          AND, AND IT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT JUST TO SEE HOW IT WORKS. 
          IF IT'S POPULAR, YOU CAN ADD MORE. 
          IS THE, UM, IDEA THAT IF ADVERTISING SOLD IT WOULD COME BACK THE M SD? IT WOULD. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WOULD. 
          IS THERE A, I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION. 
          WHAT WOULD YOU PUT ON IT IF NOT ADVERTISING? WOULD YOU JUST HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT THE CITY? I, I BELIEVE SO. 
          WITH, WITH EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES, UH, VIDEOS OF, OF, OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THE DOWNTOWN. 
          OH YEAH, THAT WOULD BE EVEN WITH, I THINK IT WOULD BE A TOURIST BENEFIT IN MOST CASES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE MAP OF NEW YOU ARE HERE WITH THE STREETS ILLUMINATED, I THINK SHOWING RESTROOMS, OTHER THINGS, THEN I COULD SEE A CALENDAR OF EVENTS MAYBE THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD EVERY WEEK TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE CAL THAT THE TDA ALREADY IS DOING AND HAS, I COULD SEE THAT BEING ON ONE SIDE OF THE SCREEN. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT CITY HAVE TO WORK AT. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL? IT'S A VERY NITPICKY QUESTION, BUT DOES THE CITY PAY TAXES? YEAH. 
          OH YES. 
          YOU HAVE TO PAY SALES TAX. 
          WE, WE DO, WE GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE TO PAY TAXES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I, I HAVE ONE THING. 
          SURE. 
          UM, I'M STARTING TO NOTICE, UM, BUSINESSES OUTSIDE OF THE MSD ARE, UH, MIMEOGRAPH OFF INFORMATION ON THEIR BUSINESSES AND THEY'RE TAPING THEM TO LAMPPOSTS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TAPING THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          SO IF, IF YOU SEE IT, LET US KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S A CONSTANT THING. 
          SO LET'S KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL, SO THE PERSON THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE HIRING TO LIKE, UH, TAKE CARE OF, WILL THEY BE IN CHARGE OF DOING THAT AS WELL? THEY'LL BE LOOKING FOR THAT TYPE OF THING? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST, I MEAN, SHOW OF HANDS OR, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOOD WITH PUSHING THIS PROJECT FORWARD? LIKE BIT, PUTTING IT IN THE PILE? LET'S PUT IT IN THE PIT. 
          WE WANT IT TO GO PILE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          WE GONNA LET GEORGE TALK ABOUT THE NEXT ONE, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE BROAD STREET PARKING FOR THE NEW FISHING THEATER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND IN YOUR HANDOUT, THIS IS THE, THE MOST RECENT CONCEPT THAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT. 
          AND SO ONCE CONSTRUCTED, IT'LL BE IN SOME SIMILAR FASHION TO THIS. 
          THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE EVERY DETAIL, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT 
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TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UH, TRAFFIC MOVEMENT, UM, A DA REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCESS AND PARKING. 
          AND WE HAVE A CONSULTANT CURRENTLY PREPARING A, UH, PROPOSAL TO DO THE ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION FOR THIS. 
          UM, AND, AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT WE HAVE, UM, WE'VE GOT TO ABIDE BY ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO LIMIT THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THIS AREA WAS EXISTING, UM, COMPACTED CONCRETE. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO AVOID ANY, ANY MAJOR IMPACTS BY THE PERMITTING. 
          AND WE, WE WOULD HOPE TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS DONE IN ABOUT A 12 MONTH WINDOW. 
          UM, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT REGULATORS COME BACK WITH, BUT WE THINK WE CAN AVOID MOST OF THE HIGH IMPACT AREAS THAT THAT WOULD SLOW DOWN THE PROJECT AT. 
          SO THE PROPOSAL HERE, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DOES THIS INCLUDE? BATHROOMS? WHAT IS THIS? THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE RESTROOMS. IT'S JUST THE PARKING ITSELF. 
          GEORGIA, HOW MANY PARKING ANTICIPATED ON, I THINK 11 OR 12 IN THERE NOW. 
          AND DEPENDING ON, UM, I THINK WE CAN, WE'RE GONNA NEED ONE AT LEAST AADA A, UH, VAN ACCESSIBLE SITE. 
          SO THAT'LL TAKE UP ONE OF THOSE SPACES AND IT'LL BE CONNECTED TO A SIDEWALK. 
          THEY GET YOU TO HERE. 
          SO 10 PLUS AN ADA, A SPACE BY A TOTAL LEVEL, THAT IS THE IDEA TO ADD BATHROOMS EVENTUALLY. 
          YES. 
          THROUGH A SPECIFIC PARKING. 
          I, YES. 
          SOUNDED LIKE THE CRANE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON SOME THINGS WITH ALL HERE. 
          . 
          WELL, WE CAN FIND THINGS THAT NOBODY ELSE CAN FIND. 
          HAD A HARD TIME FINDING BATHROOM. 
          WOULD IT, UM, MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A, A DROP OFF CLOSER TO THE WATER, MAKING THAT A LITTLE WIDER AT, AT, AT THE END? SO THE DI THE DIFFICULTY WITH GETTING NEAR THE WATER, WE'VE GOT, UM, SEVERAL DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTAL RULES THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY. 
          YOU'VE GOT RIVER BUFFER RULES THAT HAVE A 50 FOOT, UM, TO TWO SEPARATE ZONES IN THAT 50 FEET. 
          THERE'S ALSO A 75 FOOT CAM AND A C ZONE. 
          SO WE'RE RESTRICTED BY CURRENT REGULATION ON HOW PLACEMENT AGAINST THE WATER. 
          GEORGE, IF YOU ELIMINATED THE CENTER ISLAND THERE, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO GET MORE PARTS AND ANGLE THEM INSTEAD OF PARALLELING THEM? NONE UNLESS, UH, THEY'RE JOINT PROPERTY OWNERS WILLING TO GIVE UP SOME PROPERTY. 
          WOW. 
          , HAVE YOU TALKED BUDDY? HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE COUNTY ABOUT THAT? , WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAXIMIZE PARKING. 
          IT IS JUST REALLY, WHEN WE HAVE A TWO WAY CAR MOVEMENT, YOU KIND OF GET RESTRICTED AND WITH THE ACCESS OFF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, YOU REALLY NEED TO HAVE TWO-WAY, TWO-WAY MOVEMENT IN THERE TO, TO MAKE IT ACCOMMODATE ANYBODY COMING IN. 
          NOW IS GEORGE, IS THAT ISLAND, UH, WILL BE, IS THE NEW ADDITION OF THE MEDIAN, IS THAT GONNA LIMIT TRUCK, UH, MOBILITY IN THAT CIRCLE? IT'S ALREADY LIMITED BY SIZE. 
          IT'LL, IT'LL MA MAINLY TURNING RADIUSS ON LARGER TRUCKS. 
          BUT, BUT WE ARE WORKING ACTUALLY WITH THE, UM, N-C-D-O-T ON THE PROJECT ON THE HIGHWAY TO CHANGE THE TRUCK ROUTES AND THE MAPPING TO TRY TO ELIMINATE SOME, AT LEAST THE THROUGH, THROUGH TRAFFIC FROM THE DOWNTOWN TRUCKS GET A LITTLE BIT MISGUIDED IN HOW THEY MANEUVER IN THEIR DESTINATIONS TO ELIMINATE IT. 
          BUT STILL, ANY TRUCK THAT COMES DOWNTOWN THAT HAS A DELIVERY DESTINATION DOWNTOWN, UM, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A TRUCK VALVE, HAS ACCESS TO COME. 
          HOW DOES EVERYBODY FEEL ABOUT THIS PROJECT? FEEL LIKE IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO? YES. 
          IS THIS FUNDED SOLELY BY MSD OR IS THE CITY THE CITY ALSO KICKING IN A THIS 300,000 WOULD COME FROM MS. D JUST TO ASK, ARE THERE ANY OTHER GRANTS THAT CAN MAKE A MATCH ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, I, WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANY ADDITIONAL GRANTS FOR THAT. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GRANTS LIKE THAT JUST, OKAY. 
          SO IS THE CONSENSUS THAT WE MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD OR ANYBODY FEEL NO STRONG. 
          ALRIGHT, FOSTER. 
          OKAY, GEORGE, WE'RE GONNA REVISIT THE, THE, THE DOWNTOWN CROSSWALK. 
          I, I WAS NOT, UH, ABLE TO ATTEND THE LAST PART OF THE MEETING WE HAD. 
          AND I, AND I KNOW THAT IN THE MINUTES IT TALKED ABOUT ONE CROSSWALK, BUT, BUT I DO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK ABOUT MULTIPLE CROSSWALKS. 
          THIS WILL BE DONE OVER A PHASE PERIOD OF TIME. 
          SO I'M GONNA LET GEORGE TALK THROUGH, THROUGH THIS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND, AND ON YOUR HANDOUT, THE, THERE, THERE'S SEVERAL AREAS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS $750,000, UH, APPROXIMATE ESTIMATE FOR IT. 
          UM, BUT WE WOULD ALSO TRY TO INCLUDE THE TWO, UH, MIDBLOCK, ONE ON CRAVEN AND ONE ON MIDDLE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE ON P*****K. 
          SO THESE WOULD BE TRADITIONAL BRICK MORTAR IN CROSSING, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT 
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YOU HAVE DOWNTOWN ALREADY. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA SIMULATE THAT, THAT TYPE OF ITEM. 
          THE, UH, TIMEFRAME, LIKE, LIKE FOSTER MENTIONED, IT WOULD BE A A MULTI-YEAR HOPEFULLY TO UM, IF WE COULD COMPRESS IT INTO THAT. 
          BUT WE HAVE A SHORTER WORK WINDOW DOWNTOWN WHERE WE LIKE TO DO LARGER STRUCTURE FROM JANUARY 2ND TO APPROXIMATELY RIGHT NOW BEFORE MEMORIAL DAY. 
          THAT'S OUR WINDOW TO DO MAJOR ROAD CLOSURES THAT WOULD CLOSE THE INTERSECTION FOR TWO TO TWO WEEKS OR SOMETHING SIMILAR. 
          SOME. 
          SO WE'RE KIND OF LIMITED TO HOW MUCH WE CAN DO OVER A CONTINUOUS YEAR. 
          SO HAVE TO PHASE MULTIYEAR PROJECTS. 
          BUT WE WOULD RECOMMEND A TRADITIONAL BRICK, UM, WITH A CONCRETE BAND. 
          SO ON THE FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION, YOU WOULD END UP WITH ALL FOUR LEGS DONE ON HANCOCK. 
          IF WE DID THOSE, IT WOULD JUST BE A SINGLE LEG POINT ACROSS OUT OF THE RAILROAD RIGHT WAY. 
          SO YOU DON'T INTERFERE WITH THAT, WITH THAT DIFFICULTY. 
          UM, BUT, BUT WE, WE THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO MATCH WITH DOWNTOWN AND WE'D HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY IN, IN THE CROSSWALKS THERE. 
          UH, I THINK IT'S GOOD PROJECT FOR IFICATION IN, IN THIS AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE ONE THAT WE HAD AGREED ON ORIGINALLY JUST START AND DO, WAS THAT NOT IN THE BUDGET THAT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS? THIS IS THAT, BUT I'M SAYING WAS THAT IN THE BUDGET? IT WAS, IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. 
          IT WAS NOT INCLUDED. 
          NO, BECAUSE I KNEW WE WERE GONNA REVISIT THIS BECAUSE PREFERENCE IS TO, SO CAN YOU AGAIN GO BLOCK BY BLOCK AND TELL US WHAT EXACTLY WHICH BLOCKS THIS TOTAL OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? 700 AND APPROXIMATELY $45,000. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, SOUTH, FRONT AND MIDDLE. 
          UM, IT, IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE, UH, MIDDLE AND P*****K. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WOULD ALSO HAVE, UH, SIMILAR ON CRAVEN, SOUTH FRONT P*****K, SOUTH FRONT STREET AT UM, AT THE BRIDGE SOUTH, SOUTH FRONT AND CRAVEN YOU SAID NOT SOUTH FRONT P*****K. 
          YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          SOUTH FRONT CRAVEN. 
          AND THEN AS YOU WENT UP EAST FRONT STREETS AT THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, SOUTH FRONT AND EAST FRONT P*****K AND EAST FRONT. 
          AND THEN ALSO TO INCLUDE IN THAT RATHER THAN THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, WHICH WOULD BE THIS $50,000 FOR A TRAFFIC CIRCLE, WE WOULD ALLOT TO THE TWO MIDBLOCK CROSSINGS. 
          A C**K, UH, ONE, ONE ATWOOD LIVE. 
          SO COMING OUT OF BASICALLY THE MORGAN'S PARKING LOT, THAT AREA, AND THEN ONE COMING OUT OF BEAR PLAZA ON MIDDLE. 
          BUT I'M, I'M CONFUSED THOUGH. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THE ROUNDABOUT ON EACH FRONT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD. 
          'CAUSE THAT THING GETS TORN UP SO MUCH THAT WE'VE GOT SOME DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS FOR THAT ONE AND ITS ELEVATION. 
          AND WITH THE IDEA THAT THERE POTENTIALLY IS GONNA BE CONSTRUCTION DOWN THERE WITH THE COUNTY ON THEIR, ON THEIR SITE, THAT WILL JUST ADD TO HEAVY DELIVERIES IN THERE. 
          WE'RE NOT AT A POINT THAT I WOULD SUGGEST MOVING FORWARD ON THAT AREA, BUT THAT, THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD THEN BE SPLIT BETWEEN TWO MID BLOCKS. 
          SO WE'RE ABOUT AT THE SAME COST. 
          UM, THE, THE ONE GOOD THING IS IF WE COULD DO MULTIPLE INTERSECTIONS IN ONE YEAR, I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH ECONOMY OF SCALE AND SAVINGS WITH THE CONTRACTOR BEING ON SITE. 
          IT'LL JUST BE MORE IMPACTFUL TO TRAFFIC DOWNTOWN AS WE TRY TO DO MULTIPLE INTERSECTIONS IN ONE A ONE YEAR, UH, THAT FOUR AND A HALF MONTH WINDOW WE HAVE. 
          SO IT'S BASICALLY EIGHT INTERSECTIONS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE REQUESTING, BUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IS STILL THE SAME. 
          7 45. 
          WELL, IF WE TOOK THE, YEAH, THE, IF WE TOOK THE, THE, YOU TOOK 50, THAT 50, THAT 50 WOULD GO TO THOSE TWO MID BLOCKS. 
          I SEE THAT YOU DIDN'T PUT YOUR NAME TO THE SEVENTH, CORRECT. 
          SEVENTH, CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE MIDBLOCK YEAH, THAT JUST REPLACE THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE WITH MIDBLOCK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S, THE ESTIMATE DOES INCLUDE THE ECONOMY OF SCALE TO DO ALL ONE TIME OR IT WOULD BE MORE IF YOU DID NOT DO IT THAT WAY. 
          WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN FIT IT IN A LITTLE TIME. 
          YOU KNOW, I TELL YOU BID IT, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW THE TREE NUMBER. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, BUT THESE WERE NUMBERS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US BY A CONTRACTOR THAT HAS PUT IN BRICK CROSSWALKS CURRENTLY IN GREENWOOD WITH THEIR DOWNTOWN ATION. 
          IF YOU SPLIT IT INTO TWO, ANY IDEA OF WHAT THE INCREASE IN COST WOULD BE? TWO PROJECTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, THAT, THAT TIME OF YEAR'S DIFFICULT WITH WEATHER. 
          NO, WE WOULD HOPE WE COULD GET MULTIPLE INTERSECTIONS DONE. 
          IT MAY BE A, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE INTERSECTIONS AND MIDBLOCK. 
          WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TYING UP ALL THE DOWNTOWN AT ONE TIME. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD LIMIT CONSTRUCTION TO ONE INTERSECTION AT A TIME OR ONE BLOCK AT A TIME BACK. 
          AND EVEN THE FOUR WAYS, UM, I IMAGINE WE DO TWO LEGS. 
          SO WE WOULD CLOSE, SAY P*****K AT CRAVEN AND DO THOSE TWO LEGS, THEN SWAP OVER AND THEN COME DOWN CRAVEN AND LEAVE PAULA. 
          TRY TO LET SOME TRAFFIC PLUG THROUGH. 
          YOU JUST HAVE TO SEE HOW IT, SEE HOW THE MEANS MET HAPPEN. 
          CONTRACT. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, FOR GEORGE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A WHILE, AND I LOOK AT ALL OF THIS AS, YOU KNOW, LIKE 
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WHEN WE DID THE STREETS SCAPE, WE NEEDED TO DO IT. 
          WE HAD TO, AND IT TOOK US 20 YEARS TO GET ALL THE STREETS SCAPES DONE. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE GREAT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, GET THESE CROSSWALKS AND STANDING. 
          OKAY, SO CAN WE MOVE THIS ONE? SHOULD WE PUT THIS ONE BACK UP? UM, OKAY, FOSTER, WE GOT THAT DIRECTION. 
          THAT ONE'S A GO. 
          I HAVE A RELATED QUESTION. 
          IT'S NOT A, UM, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE STARTED, THE CITY HAS STARTED PUTTING UP WALK, DON'T WALK, UM, AT VARIOUS INTERSECTIONS, BUT THERE A PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MORE OF THOSE WALK ON WALK. 
          WE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THAT WITHIN, IN OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET FOR PUBLIC WORKS. 
          UM, THE ONE THAT WE CURRENTLY LOOKED AT THAT LOOKS TO BE, UM, THE MOST USED AND THE MOST NEEDED WOULD BE A CRAVEN. 
          SO THE TRAFFIC FOOT, TRAFFIC COSTING TO THE POOL HOUSE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, UH, FOOT TRAFFIC DOWN THERE. 
          AND WE'VE ALSO HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT UPGRADING THE ACTUAL SIGNAGE AT, OF THE BRIDGE AT EAST FRONT, SOUTH FRONT. 
          UM, IF, IF YOU NOTICE THE, THE NEW, UH, LIGHT AT MIDDLE ADMITTED HAS SOME ADDITIONAL FEATURES TO IT THAT ARE NOT THE SAME AS WHAT IS AFTER THE BRIDGE. 
          SO IT'S GOT A SECOND COUNT FOUND ON IT. 
          UM, IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT AUDIBLE SYSTEM TO IT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S MORE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW ROOMS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE INTERNALLY HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THOSE TWO. 
          WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT A SIGNAL PHASING, UH, PROGRAM GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH CONSULTANT FOR THE DOWNTOWN BROAD CORRIDOR TO TRY TO GET BETTER TIMING BETWEEN THOSE SIGNALS TO MOVE THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUTTA DOWNTOWN. 
          AND SO ONCE WE GET THAT COMPLETED, WE'RE GONNA LOOK DOING SOME SIGNAL. 
          OKAY. 
          FOSTER, DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE, UM, OTHER, THE OTHER, THE ADDITIONAL PROPOSED BY ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS? YES. 
          SO WHAT I'M GONNA GO OVER, I'M JUST GONNA GO OVER SOME OF THESE PROPOSALS. 
          I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT NUMBERS BECAUSE MICHAEL LEE, UH, AND I MET, SHE'S GOT SOME INFORMATION IN HERE AS WELL. 
          SHE'S GONNA TALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE THINGS. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BENCH ADDITIONS, CURRENTLY YOU'LL SEE THE VICTOR STANLEY BENCH THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND THAT HAS EPAY WOOD IN IT, WHICH IS EXTREMELY HARD. 
          IT'S EXTREMELY DURABLE. 
          BUT THE COST FOR, FOR THIS TYPE OF BENCH OF THE VICTOR STANLEY IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. 
          SIX FOOT BENCH IS $2,700 OR FOUR FOOT BENCH IS $2,500. 
          UH, WE HAVE STARTED USING THE REPLICA STYLE BENCH THAT DOESN'T USE EPAY, BUT YOU CAN, UH, ACTUALLY HAVE AN OAK OR RECYCLED PLASTIC. 
          THE, THE COST IS IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS ON THAT. 
          SO I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE ARMREST, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ADDING ARMRESTS IN THE CENTER OF SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE WIDER BENCHES. 
          THAT'S ABOUT $300 IN PIECE FOR THAT. 
          YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE MIGHT NOT NEED ARM REST, BUT HASN'T THE CITY CHANGE THEIR CAMPING POLICY? ? WE DID, WE ADDED, WE ADDED AN ORDINANCE THAT PREVENTS CAMPING OVERNIGHT ON STREET SIDEWALKS, PUBLIC PROPERTY BASICALLY. 
          SO WHO DOES THIS AFFECT? WELL, IF SOMEONE WAS GONNA LAY ON THE BENCH AND TRY TO SLEEP ALL NIGHT, WELL, IF THE POLICE SEES THEM OR IT'S REPORTED, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA MOVE THEM ALONG. 
          THAT DOES NOT PREVENT ANYONE FROM GOING TO A, TO A PARK DURING THE DAY AND TAKING A NAP ON A BENCH OR ON A, ON A BENCH DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT'S THE BIG DIFFERENCE WITH THAT. 
          SO IF, IF THIS GROUP IS INTERESTED IN SEEING BASICALLY THE, THE ARM RISK DIVIDER, YOU KNOW, YES. 
          IT, IT DEFINITELY WILL PREVENT ANYONE FROM LAYING OUT ON, ON A BENCH ON ANY OF THE CITY BENCHES. 
          WE HAVE QUITE A FEW BENCHES DOWNTOWN. 
          THE COST WOULD BE CONSIDERABLE. 
          UH, I I, GEORGE DID YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF THE TOTAL BENCHES? WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO LOOK AT INSTALLING SOME, IF THAT'S OF INTEREST TO THE GROUP. 
          UM, TELL ME ABOUT THE, THE EPAY, UM, THAT YOU HAVE. 
          ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT REPLACING THOSE ARE THESE NO BENCHES WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THAT'S RIGHT. 
          ADDITIONAL BENCHES THAT, THAT, AND I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THE REPLICA BRETT BENCH JUST BASED ON THE COST. 
          SO THE NEXT ITEM OF TRASH CAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS WELL. 
          SO A NEW TRASH CAN, THE SAME STYLE THAT WE CURRENTLY CARRY IS EIGHT $45 A PIECE. 
          UM, SO ALSO WE DO REFURBISHED, WE REFURBISHED SOME OF THE TRASH CANS AND PUBLIC COURTS WILL TAKE THEM OUT OF SERVICE FROM TIME TO TIME TO REFURBISH. 
          THAT INCLUDES SAND GLASSING AND RE POWDER COATING. 
          THAT'S ABOUT $225 A PIECE WHEN WE DO THAT. 
          SO GEORGE AND THEM HAVE THAT ON A CYCLE FOR THAT. 
          THEY DO SEVERAL EACH YEAR. 
          THEN WE HAD FLOWER BASKETS THAT COULD HANG ON THE LIGHT POLE. 
          AND SO WE PRICE THOSE, THOSE ARE GONNA BE BETWEEN 300, $350. 
          THAT 
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DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COST OF PLANTINGS IN THAT. 
          IS THERE A WATER SYSTEM THAT YOU WOULD INSTALL? THE WOULD WATER THESE? NO, THAT, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE MANUAL WATERING ON THAT. 
          SO I'M GONNA LEAVE IT RIGHT THERE WITH THAT AND THEN I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MICHAEL LEE AND LET HER TALK ABOUT, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOSTER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I WALKED THE STREETS LIKE ALL DAY, SO, UM, I THINK FLOWER PLANTERS ALONG THE INTERSECTIONS WOULD BE A REAL GOOD IDEA VERSUS EVERY SINGLE LAMPPOST. 
          SO, UM, I WENT AROUND AND I LOOKED AT THE TRADITIONAL LIGHTS THAT WE HAVE. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF SECURITY LIGHTS AS WELL. 
          SO THIS PARTICULAR PLANNER WILL NOT WORK ON THE SECURITY LIGHTS, BUT THE TRADITIONAL LAMPPOSTS WE HAVE ABOUT 30. 
          THAT WOULD BE, UH, A GOOD LOCATION FOR, FOR ALL OF THEM. 
          SO, UM, IT WOULD BE, UM, OKAY, JUST LOOKING AT, UM, JUST MY LITTLE MAP HERE. 
          SO IF WE START AT UNION POINT PARK SOUTH FRONT STREET AND EAST FRONT STREET, THERE'S THREE POLES THERE THAT WOULD, UH, LOOK RIGHT WITH FLOWERS AND THEN, UM, SOUTH FRONT STREET TO CRAVEN STREET FOUR THERE. 
          AND THEN FOUR AT SOUTH FRONT STREET IN MIDDLE, AND THEN TWO OVER BY THE FARMER'S MARKET AND ONE AROUND THE CORNER SORT OF BY POOR CHARLIE'S. 
          SO TWO OVER IN THAT AREA ON THOSE. 
          AND THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY ON THE CORNERS, BUT THEY'RE CLOSE TO THE CORNERS. 
          AND THEN ON P*****K STREET, IF WE DO MIDDLE STREET TO P*****K, UM, OVER WHERE THE CHURCH IS. 
          UM, AND IT'S ALSO LEADING TOWARDS THE THEATER. 
          SO THOSE FOUR CORNERS AND THEN P*****K STREET AND CRAVEN, THOSE FOUR CORNERS. 
          AND ON P*****K STREET AND EAST FRONT STREET, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE B AND BS, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN THERE. 
          THERE'S SO MUCH BEAUTY GOING ON OVER THERE. 
          AND THERE'S REALLY, UH, THOSE ARE ALL SECURITY POLES. 
          THERE AREN'T ANY, UH, TRADITIONAL LAMP POSTS THAT ARE THERE. 
          AND THEN ON BROAD STREET, THE CIRCLE, UH, NOTHING THERE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON DOWN THERE. 
          AND THEN ON BROAD AND CRAVEN BY THE CHELSEA AND THAT WHOLE CORNER, WE COULD PUT FOUR ON THAT CORNER. 
          IS THAT YOU SAID CRAVEN, DID YOU MEAN MIDDLE? UH, CRAVEN AND BROAD. 
          YEAH, BUT YOU SAID CHELSEA, THAT'S NOT THE CHELSEA. 
          OH, THE CHELSEA IS, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          OH YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I'M GETTING THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, SO ON BROAD AND CRAVEN FOUR THERE, AND THEN MIDDLE AND BROAD, WHICH IS WHERE THE CHELSEA IS FOR THERE. 
          AND THEN I'M ALSO WONDERING IF WE SHOULD CONSIDER ONE MORE OVER BY THE FIREMAN'S MUSEUM, JUST BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF OFF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DOWN AND IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE FLOWERS ON THAT ONE. 
          SO COUNTING ALL OF THOSE UP THAT MAKES 30, 30 FLOWER POTS FOR THOSE CORNERS. 
          MIKE LEE, WHAT ABOUT, UM, I MEAN I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE FLOWERS THEMSELVES, BUT WHAT ABOUT VISIBILITY OF THE VEHICLES WITH THE LEFT OR RIGHT? WELL, IT WOULD, YEAH. 
          HOW THAT IS NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM. 
          AND IN THE PACKET, AND I, I MADE A COPY HERE. 
          SO THIS IS THE, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT THE PLANNER LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO IT WRAPS AROUND THE POLE, HOW HIGH I KIND OF SEE THEM HIGH. 
          THEY, THEY WOULD BE HIGH, THEY WOULD BE LESS THAN IN, IN MOST INSTANCES WITH THIS. 
          YOU CAN'T FLY THE BANNERS WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS. 
          SO IT WOULD BE LIKE IN THE SUMMERTIME, SPRING, SUMMER WHEN NOTHING ELSE IS GOING ON BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE, IF YOU HAVE IT ABOVE IT, THE LIGHT IS, IS TOO CLOSE TO THE, TO THE CROSS ARMS. SO THAT DOESN'T REALLY WORK OUT VERY WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE CAN PLANT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE JUST FLOWERS. 
          WE CAN DO, UM, IVS AND YOU KNOW, CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR WHEN WE DON'T HAVE FLOWERS, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS WE CAN PLANT IN THEM, YOU KNOW, AS THE YEAR GOES ALONG AND THE CITY HAS A TRUCK, A WATERING TRUCK. 
          SO THAT SEEMED TO MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER TO KIND OF CONSIDER THIS. 
          ARE YOU PROPOSING HAVING EACH YEAR ROUND? WELL, IT WOULD BE KIND OF NICE. 
          I THINK THERE ARE THINGS, WELL, BUT I CAN DO YEAR ROUND. 
          HE'S JUST SAYING THOUGH, IT'S GONNA INTERFERE WITH THE BANNERS. 
          THEN WHAT DO WE, COULD WE JUST PURCHASE BANNERS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY SELL BANNERS FOR LIKE FEST AND OTHER THINGS. 
          SO CAN THE PLANNERS GO ABOVE THE LITTLE POLE WHERE YOU HANG THE BANNERS? CAN WE PUT THE FLOWER, CAN WE PUT THE UP? I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND, AND OF COURSE JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON THAT. 
          AND, AND OF COURSE WHEN HE GETS THIS, UH, I ALWAYS RECOMMEND, WELL I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE, UM, LOWER PANEL PLANNERS. 
          I ALWAYS RECOMMEND STARTING SMALL AND GOING FROM THERE BECAUSE IT IS, THIS IS A LABOR INTENSIVE THING. 
          AND SO WE HAVE TO, UM, WAY IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT'S GONNA TAKE THE WATER AND THE COST OF PLANTS TO GO IN THERE AS WELL. 
          AND IN REALITY AS WELL, WHEN WE'VE GOT EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES GOING ON THERE, WE COULD NOT DO THIS 12 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR. 
          IT 
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WOULD HAVE TO BE AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR FOR THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO THOSE REMAIN THERE? THE BASKETS REMAIN THERE. 
          THEY WOULD REMAIN, YES. 
          THEY'RE NOT TAKING, BUT YOU WOULD TAKE THE FLOWERS OUT THEN? YES. 
          HAVE TO TAKE THE FLOWERS OUT. 
          THEY WOULD BE REMOVED, YES. 
          BUT THE BASKETS STAY THERE, THEN YOU COULD PUT THE BANNERS ON. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THE GREAT EXAMPLE IS THE, THE IMAGE SHE, SHE SHOWED YOU, UM, WITH, WITH THE FLOWERS. 
          TRADITIONALLY WHEN YOU SEE FLOWERS IN, IN A, IN A STREET POLE, UM, SETTING, THEY REALLY MUSHROOM AND REALLY, REALLY TAKE UP A LOT OF SPACE ABOVE. 
          SO MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          I THINK THEY WOULD MAKE AN INCREDIBLE SPLASH. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, UM, WHEN I SEE THEM IN LITTLE TOWNS AND YOU SEE THOSE FLOWERS AS YOU'RE WALKING DOWN SIDEWALKS THERE, IT JUST, THEY'RE JUST CLASSY. 
          IF WE COULD HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH EITHER THE GARDEN CLUB, THE ONES CLUB TO AT LEAST TAKE ON ONE INTERSECTION, LET'S SAY, AND DONATE THE PLANTS, YOU KNOW, EVERY SEASON OR SOMETHING. 
          AGAIN, THAT GIVES COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION. 
          I KNOW WHEN THEY HAVE OWNERSHIP IN SOMETHING MAKES PEOPLE, I WAS ALSO, I WAS ALSO TELLING FOSTER, UM, KEN GARNER, WHO IS A MASTER GARDENER AND MAYBE SOME OF YOU KNOW WHO HE IS, HE SETS UP AT THE FARMER'S MARKET EVERY WEEK. 
          KEN, UM, IS, HE'S IN THE BUSINESS OF CREATING SPECIES. 
          THAT'S WHAT HE DOES. 
          AND HE CREATED A, UH, A PLANT, UH, IT'S A SWEET POTATO PLANT THAT'S HIS OWN. 
          HE'S GOT A PATENT ON IT, THE WHOLE THING. 
          IT WAS, AND IT WAS, UM, INVENTED RIGHT HERE IN NEW BERN. 
          SO, AND ONE IS PURPLE AND ONE IS GREEN. 
          THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY MAGNIFICENT. 
          I HAD 'EM ON MY DECK FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERY SUMMER. 
          THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE MAGNIFICENT. 
          SO, AND WE CAN PROBABLY GET KEN TO DONATE A FEW, UH, AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO SAY THAT IT'S ANOTHER NEW BERN FIRST, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE THIS SPECIES THAT IS HERE AS WELL, SO I'LL BRING SAMPLES NEXT MEETING. 
          POSSIBILITY TO REACH OUT TO THE SUPPLIER OF THESE AND TELL 'EM WE ARE CONTEMPLATING GETTING A BUNCH FOR DOWNTOWN, BUT WE WOULD LIKE ONE THAT WE COULD RECEIVE. 
          AND THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE, IF IF, IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BANNERS THAT I LOOK AT THAT PICTURE, IT LOOKS LOVELY, BUT I DON'T, I CAN'T LOOK AT THAT AND FIGURE OUT, OH, IF YOU HAVE A BANNER ROD ABOVE IT, YOU CAN HANG A BANNER WHEN THERE AREN'T FLOWERS. 
          WELL, WE CAN CERTAINLY GET ONE AND TEST ONE, SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          THAT WOULD BE GOOD JUST TO FIGURE, HAVE IT ALL FIGURE, THEN WE WOULD KNOW THE EXACT COST BECAUSE I THINK YOU NEED TO COME BACK WITH US, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GONNA GET TWO 30 OR WE'RE GONNA DO ONE INTERSECTION. 
          COULD COULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS SPONSORED BY THE GARDEN CLUB OR WOMEN'S CLUB OR ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION JUST TO GIVE US MORE IDEA OF FUNDING. 
          WELL, WE COULD BEGIN WITH SOUTH, SOUTH AND EAST FRONT STREETS. 
          WE COULD JUST DO, YOU KNOW, THE CORRIDOR COMING INTO TOWN. 
          SO, AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE IF WE WANT TO DO MIDDLE STREET, CRAVEN STREET AND, AND ACTUALLY THE, THE ONE OVER BY THE FARMER'S MARKET AND THEN AROUND THE CORNER FOR POOR CHARLIE'S, UH, TO PUT TWO OVER THERE THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE JUST NOTHING EVER HAPPENS OVER THERE FOR THEM. 
          I THINK THEY WOULD BE VERY, VERY APPRECIATIVE, YOU KNOW, IF WE PUT ONE OVER THERE FOR THEM AS WELL. 
          SO MAYBE START, SO DO WE WANT TO START WITH THE DIRECTION THAT, UM, FOSTER WILL GET THE SAMPLE, COME IN, LOOK AT IT, SEE EXACTLY, I DON'T KNOW, DO THEY COME IN DIFFERENT SIZES? CAN YOU GET ONE THAT MAY NOT BE AS DEEP, THAT MAY BE NARROWER, THAT WOULD FIT BETTER ON TOP? SO THAT IT DEPENDS ON THE MANUFACTURER. 
          WE'LL GET SOME RESEARCH ON WELL, WHAT'LL FIT OUR APPROPRIATE COLOR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IS THAT, IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT DIRECTION TO FOSTER AT THIS POINT? WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SPENDING ANY MONEY, BUT WE'RE GOING AHEAD AND FINDING OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED SO WE CAN OKAY. 
          GET IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY. 
          ARE WE GOOD? WE GOOD? OKAY. 
          UM, WERE YOU GONNA TALK ABOUT BENCHES TOO OR JUST THE FLOWER? ? YEAH, I THINK WE NEED MORE BENCHES. 
          UM, THERE SEEMS TO BE JUST A LACK OF SEATING AS WE HAVE A LOT MORE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, UM, ALL OVER THE, THE STREETS. 
          SO ANYWAY, OF 12 TO 16 MORE SEATING SOLUTIONS OF SOME TYPE OF SOME KIND, WHETHER THEY'RE THE, THE BENCHES THAT FOSTER HAS RECOMMENDED OR KAREN HAD ALSO GONE TO MAIN STREET AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF SEATINGS, UH, CITY SEATING, UH, CHOICES THAT WE COULD MAYBE LOOK AT IF WE, DO YOU HAVE A MAP OF WHERE YOU WOULD PROPOSE TO PUT THESE? I HAVE GOT A LIST OF WHERE I WALKED THE WHOLE AREA AND WHERE I THINK, OKAY, SO I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH IT. 
          EAST FRONT STREET. 
          IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A BENCH OVER BY, UH, BONNETTE CHAPMAN, DUFFY SIGN, YOU KNOW, SHE'S GOT A LITTLE, A LITTLE GARDEN THING, SO IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A BENCH THERE. 
          AND THEN ALONG THE RIVER WALK, UM, BETWEEN THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THE DOUBLE TREE, UH, THREE TO SIX MORE 
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BENCHES OVER THERE BECAUSE THERE'S JUST ONE, MAYBE THERE'S TWO. 
          AND THERE, UH, THEY NEED TO BE, UH, UH, CLEANED OR SOMETHING, OR SOME OF THAT WOOD NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. 
          THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE KIND OF SLIVER A LITTLE BIT, SO THEY HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT THERE. 
          SO MAINTENANCE ON THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          SKY SALE, I'VE HAD A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN SKY SALE WHO WOULD LOVE TO SEE UP TO SEVEN BENCHES ALONG THE RIVER, WALK AROUND SKY SALE AND THEY'VE SORT OF MAPPED OUT WHERE THOSE LOCATIONS WOULD BE AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SUNSET AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THE TRAIN AND YOU CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, ENJOY THE BEAUTY OF THE RIVER. 
          UM, AND THEN AT THE FARMER'S MARKET, IN FRONT OF THE FARMER'S MARKET, THERE'S A BENCH ON ONE SIDE, BUT THERE'S AN AREA WHERE YOU COULD PUT A BENCH ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO THERE'S ALREADY A CUT IN THERE. 
          SO I SAY WE ADD A BENCH THERE. 
          AND THEN ON P*****K STREET, UM, SORT OF ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CIVIC THEATER, UM, THE BAPTIST CHURCH HAS GOT SOME CUTS. 
          THERE'S A BENCH THERE AND THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER CUT AND THERE'S NO BENCH BENCH, SO I SAY WE PUT A BENCH THERE AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF MY RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO 12 TO 16 MORE BENCHES. 
          AND, AND I WOULD SAY AS A RESIDENT, UH, REPRESENTATIVE THAT AT THE ARM RESTS TO PREVENT DAYTIME SLEEPING AND NIGHTTIME SLEEPING. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT'S OUT OF THE ORDINANCE NOW, BUT, BUT, UM, WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. 
          IT, IT DISCOURAGES THE, UH, KIND OF THE, THE SLEEPING IN THE AREA AND, AND, UH, A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT WOULD LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK THAT THE FUNDING TO, UH, TO PUT ARMREST UP IS A BIG PROBLEM. 
          I'M, I'M GONNA RECOMMEND THE FOUR FOOT BENCH VERSUS THE SIX FOOT, SIX FOOT. 
          USUALLY PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE WALKING AROUND, IT'S A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, AND IF IT'S A FAMILY, YOU KNOW, PARENTS ARE GONNA SIT, KIDS ARE GONNA BE RUNNING AROUND. 
          SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THE FOUR FOOT BENCH, I NEVER SEE FIVE PEOPLE SITTING ON A BENCH. 
          AND WITH FOUR FOOT, YOU DON'T NEED ARMREST. 
          YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T. 
          WELL, ONE REASON I, I MIGHT, I WANNA THINK ABOUT IT IS IF YOU PUT THE ARMREST, I CAN SEE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TWO FAMILIES OR COUPLES BECAUSE THERE'S THAT ARMREST SEPARATION. 
          SO YOU, IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU'RE GETTING TWO FOR ONE IF YOU GO SIX FOOT WITH THE ARM REST MAYBE. 
          BUT WHAT I'VE OBSERVED IS, IS IF SOMEONE'S ALREADY SITTING AT THAT BENCH, THEY'RE GONNA, NO ONE'S GOING TO INVADE THEIR SPACE, THEY'RE GONNA MOVE TO ANOTHER. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'VE KIND OF NOTICED WHAT SIZE WE HAVE NOW. 
          WE, WE'VE BASICALLY GOT SIX FOOT BENCHES AND I WOULD SAY EXISTING BENCHES DOWNTOWN. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE REFER TO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE ONES PUT SIX FOOT. 
          I ALSO WOULD RECOMMEND THE RECYCLED PLASTIC BECAUSE SPLINTERING, EVEN THE EPAY WILL SPLINTER OVER TIME AND YOU'RE GONNA MAKE UP THAT A HUNDRED, $300 DIFFERENCE IN A DECADE OR SO BECAUSE OF NOT HAVING TO MAINTENANCE AND REPLACE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE WANT BENCHES, , WE WANT ARMREST AND EXISTING BENCHES. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER AND COME BACK TO US WITH A SPECIFIC I, I WOULDN'T DO THAT. 
          I WOULD JUST SAY IF YOU'RE RECOMMENDED ARMREST IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THAT THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO HEAR. 
          AND IS EVERYBODY, LET'S TAKE IN TWO PIECES. 
          ARMREST GOOD. 
          WE WANT TO ADD THE ARMREST TO EXISTING TO THE EXISTING BENCHES. 
          BENCHES. 
          IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          FOSTER, YOU HAVE THAT DIRECTION. 
          AND THEN IF WE, AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BENCHES, JUST GIVE US A NUMBER BENCH. 
          I WANT BENCHES. 
          OH MY QUESTION. 
          HALF, MORE THAN HALF OF THE BENCHES ARE RIGHT THERE AT SKY SALE, WHICH IS LIKE A FRACTION OF THE DOWNTOWN WATERFRONT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          ARE THOSE ON CITY PROPERTY? ARE THOSE BENEFITING THE CITIZENS OR THOSE BENEFITING THE RESIDENTS OF SKY SALE? I THINK IT WILL BENEFIT EVERYONE BECAUSE THE RIVERWALK IS JUST GORGEOUS OVER THERE. 
          THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE SUNSET. 
          THEY ARE CITY PROPERTY. 
          IT'S CITY PROPERTY AND, AND I MEAN I'VE NEVER BEEN THAT FAR DOWN THE RIVERWALK. 
          YOU SHOULD WALK DOWN THERE . 
          I SHOULD. 
          I AGREE. 
          YEAH. 
          DO OTHER PEOPLE WALK DOWN THERE? THEY DO. 
          BESIDES THE RESIDENCE. 
          SO IT IS A POPULAR WALKING SPACE AND JOHN, OKAY, THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW. 
          SO THE, THE CITY PROPERTY LINE OR THE SKY SALE PROPERTY LINE ROUGHLY RUNS FROM CORNER TO CORNER. 
          UM, THERE'S CORNERS THAT GO OUT TOWARDS THE WATER. 
          UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAWN, IT SKY SALE PROBABLY, I THINK IT'S TWO A THIRD OF THAT FROM THE WATER IS CITY PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE NUMBER, WHAT'S THE MAGIC NUMBER? WANNA START WITH SCALE UP TO, UM, HOW ABOUT WE SAY UP TO 16. 
          CAN WE DO THAT? AND THEN YOU CAN CHOOSE HOW MANY LESS YOU WANT OF TWO 16, BUT WE WANT THE FOUR FOOT 
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BENCHES. 
          THE FOUR FOOT I, YES, YES. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE EXTRA OFFICER. 
          CAN WE INCLUDE A COUPLE OF THE, UH, THE DOG AND THE ANIMAL CLEANUP STATIONS AS ALONG THOSE PUBLIC AREAS AS WELL? THE PARKS AND RECREATION PROVIDES THAT. 
          SO YEAH, THAT WOULDN'T BE AN MSD EXPENSE. 
          SO YEAH, WE, WE CAN LOOK THAT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY, SO YOU HAVE DIRECTION ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN ONE MORE AREA TRASH CANS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE'LL BE DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          OKAY, PROMISE. 
          OKAY, SO, UM, I'M GONNA RECOMMEND EIGHT OR NINE, PROBABLY NINE UP TO NINE MORE TRASH CANS. 
          UH, SO ON P*****K STREET WHERE THE B AND BS ARE, WE NOW HAVE JAM'S AND WE HAVE MICHAEL'S PUB AND WE HAVE THE CUB HOUSE AND THEN THERE'S THE TAX OFFICE. 
          IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE, UM, UP TO THREE TRASH CANS ON, YOU KNOW, LIKE ONE AT THE CUB HOUSE. 
          I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ONE THERE AND MAYBE ONE OVER AT THE TAX OFFICE. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER ONES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN JAME'S AND MICHAEL'S PUB. 
          SAY THREE OFFICE IS PROBABLY GONNA GO AWAY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER WITH TWO. 
          YEAH, I THINK TWO WOULD BE GOOD. 
          WE'RE GETTING A LOT MORE TRAFFIC TRAFFIC WITH THOSE TWO RESTAURANTS. 
          ARE THERE ANY ON THE CORNER OF P*****K AND EAST FRONT? YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I USUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE CORNERS USUALLY TEND TO, THERE IS ONE OVER BY UH, UH, WHAT IS IT? THE, THE DRESS STORE OVER THERE. 
          SO ON CRAVEN AND P*****K, THERE'S ONE THERE. 
          PEACOCK, PEACOCK PLUME. 
          YEAH, THERE'S ONE OVER THERE, BUT THERE'S NOT ONE IN FRONT OF CITY HALL. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          SO ON THE NORTH SIDE AS WELL, UH, OF CRAVEN STREET, THERE'S ONE THERE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING. 
          ONCE YOU GET TO THE CO ONCE YOU GO DOWN P*****K, THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO NOTHING UNTIL YOU GET TO THE GALLEY STORE. 
          THERE'S NO TRASHCANS. 
          SO THE ONE THING WE LOOK AT WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE ON THAT, THAT THAT, THAT BLOCK OF P*****K STREET IS, IS THERE ENOUGH OF A STRIP IN THE RIGHT OF WAY WHERE YOU CAN PUT THAT AND IT'S NOT GONNA INTERFERE WITH THE CAR PARKING AND THE PARKING SPACE BECAUSE BASICALLY THAT SIDEWALK, THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK IS, IS ALL WE HAVE IN TERMS OF RIGHT OF WAY. 
          WE CAN'T PUT IT IN SOMEONE'S FRONT YARD FOR THAT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE REALISTICALLY PUT ANYTHING IN THOSE AREAS? THIS MAY BE MY OPINION ONLY, BUT, WELL IT IS MY OPINION AND NO ONE MAY SHARE IT WITH ME. 
          I FEEL LIKE THE TRASH CANS BELONG IN INTERSECTIONS AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TOTALLY VEHICULAR. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, TOTALLY BELONGINGS AT THE, AT FAIR PLAZA AND MIDDLE FOR EXAMPLE, OR JAMES REED AND P*****K. 
          BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT PUTTING THEM MID-BLOCK, ESPECIALLY WHERE IT'S LARGELY, WE MEAN THE AIRBNB PEDESTRIAN KIND OF THING. 
          UM, I WOULDN'T WANT IT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE FRANKLY. 
          UM, THERE WAS ONE IN FRONT OF UM, BUT THE CUB HOUSE, I AGREE. 
          THE CAB CAFE. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE OF THE CUB HOUSE. 
          YEAH, FOR SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEY DID REMOVE IT FROM TAB CAFE BECAUSE AGAIN, IT CONSTANTLY WAS OVERFLOWING AND IT LOOKED SO BAD THEY DIDN'T WANT IT. 
          AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED AT UM, CREST BUILDING, IT WAS TRASH ALL OVER THE PLACE ALL THE TIME. 
          SO AGAIN, THEY HAD IT REMOVED. 
          SO, 'CAUSE WE THOUGHT, OH, IT'S SO BUSY THERE PEOPLE, IT MIGHT HELP, BUT IT DID NOT HAVE MADE IT WORSE. 
          THERE IS NO TRASH CAN AT THE CORNER, UH, OF EAST FRONT STREET AND P*****K. 
          SO RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU CROSS THE STREET, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC. 
          SO WE SHOULD PUT ONE THERE, THERE, I WOULD SAY YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S ME . 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A COUPLE JUST THERE ON THAT, ON P*****K STREET. 
          OKAY, SO TALKING ABOUT CANS IN THE MIDDLE OF STREET. 
          OKAY, SO THAT BRINGS ME TO MIDDLE STREET. 
          WELL I HAVE OTHER THINGS, BUT WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT MIDDLE STREET. 
          SO WE HAVE FIVE TRASH CANS ON THE 200 BLOCK OF MIDDLE STREET RIGHT NOW ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          SO THERE'S ONE AT PEPSI, THERE'S TWO AT BEAR PLAZA, THERE'S ONE AT THE BRUIN AND THERE'S ONE AT THE CAPTAIN REDDY'S CORNER. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S FIVE CANS WE HAVE THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, AND WE HAVE SOME STORE OWNERS WHO WERE REQUESTING MORE THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER CAN, UM, OVER, UH, PINKY'S WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER CAN. 
          SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT ADDING SIX SIX CANS ONTO MIDDLE STREET FROM THE OTHER. 
          NO, NO, NUMBER SIX. 
          NUMBER SIX. 
          SO ON THE WEST SIDE OF MIDDLE WE HAVE THREE CANS. 
          THERE'S ONE BY BAKERS AND THEN, UM, UP AT THE CORNER. 
          FIRST BAPTIST. 
          YEAH, FIRST BAPTIST HAS ONE BAKERS AND THEN, UH, EAST FRONT STREET, SOUTH FRONT STREET AND, AND MIDDLE. 
          YEAH, THERE'S ONE OVER THERE ON THAT CORNER AS WELL. 
          SO ACTUALLY THAT ONE'S ACROSS THE STREET. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S, SO MY FIRST COMMENT IS GONNA BE ON ANY OF THE TRASH CANS WE PUT IN, WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC WORKS THAT'LL LOOK TO SEE EXACTLY HOW MUCH TRASH IS PULLED OUT OF THE EXISTING CANS NOW TO SEE IF IN, IN REALITY, IF THERE'S JUSTIFICATION FOR IT 
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WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER CAN, LIKE IN FRONT OF PINKY'S. 
          MY, MY BIG QUESTION'S GONNA BE, IS IT BECAUSE YOU SEE SO MANY PEOPLE COMING DOWN THE STREET AND DROPPING THEIR STUFF? OR ARE YOU WANTING HOW, WHAT TRASH THERE? IT'S JUST BETWEEN MY PLACE, MJS, UH, POOR HOUSE AND UM, THE BRUIN THAT GENERATES A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC AND YES, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE CONSTANTLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, I'M CONSTANTLY SWEEPING UP, OUT FRONT AND BRINGING THE STUFF INSIDE AND NOTHING IN MY, WHICH I'M OKAY TO DO, BUT IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE CONVENIENT. 
          FOUR ARE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE STROLLING DOWN THE STREET. 
          THEY JUST HAVE A PLACE TO JUST TOSS THEIR, UH, THEIR COFFEE CUP OR, OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR HAND. 
          AND THERE'S, WE, WE GENERATE A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC JUST BETWEEN THOSE FOUR PLACES. 
          SO WE CAN DEFINITELY, FOR THE WORK IS DEFINITELY STUDY THAT. 
          I WOULD JUST SAY COME UP WITH A NUMBER OF CANS AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME TOO, PART OF, WANNA BE CAREFUL HOW MANY CANS WE PUT OUT THERE, BECAUSE THIS GETS BACK TO CONVERSATION. 
          WE, RIGHT. 
          PASSAGE SIX WOULD BE A LOT. 
          AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS ALREADY FIVE, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE SOLUTION IS. 
          I THINK THOSE INTERSECTIONS, LIKE JOHN WAS TALKING ABOUT, NOT JUST PARTICULAR BUT PEDESTRIAN BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT INTERSECTIONS, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK AT BEAR PLAZA, AND I THINK HAVING ONE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT CROSSWALK WOULD MAKE TECHNOLOGICAL TO ME JUST RANDOMLY IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK IS NOT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND A LOT OF THE ISSUES YOU, WE HAVE WITH OUR SIDEWALKS, THE SIDEWALKS ARE, ARE NOT EXTREMELY WIDE. 
          SO IF YOU'VE GOT, UH, A RESTAURANT THAT'S GOT THE, THE DOWNTOWN DINING OR THE SIDEWALK DINING, THEN YOU'VE GOT ONE OF THE, UM, KOVAS, THEN YOU'VE GOT SIGNAGE THAT'S OUT THERE. 
          IT REALLY CREATES, UH, UH, A LOT OF OBSTACLES THERE. 
          SO ADDING ANOTHER TRASH, CAN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, SEE IF REALISTICALLY WE STILL HAVE ACCESSIBLE, UH, FLOW OF, UH, PEDESTRIAN TRASH, OR ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO WORK OUT SOMETHING ELSE? SO THEY'RE MORE THAN JUST SAYING, YEAH, I WANT TO ADD SOME TRASH. 
          AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE'LL LOOK AT ONCE THE TRASH DOESN'T MAKE IT PLEASANT FOR A OUTDOOR DINING EITHER. 
          NO, IT DOESN'T. 
          SO IT WOULDN'T SO NOT HAVE IT CLOSE TO MJS. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THE BRUIN, I MEAN THAT THERE IS A CAN THERE AND THERE'S JUST TWO STORES AWAY, THEN WE WOULD BE PUTTING ANOTHER, I I IT'S, I I'M NOT SURE THE SOLUTION. 
          SO WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT THE, THE SPACING OF THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I THINK A GOOD IDEA IS MAYBE JUST DIRECTION TO, UM, FOSTER, YOU KNOW, UP TO EIGHT TRASH CANS AND TO COME BACK. 
          THEY REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT US, BUT TO KEY IN ON THE INTERSECTIONS WHERE THERE MAY NOT BE. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT USED TO ALWAYS, WHEN THEY DID MIDDLE STREET, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE, I THOUGHT WE HAD TWO AT THE END RAT'S AND ACROSS THE STREET THERE WAS TWO, THEN THERE WAS TWO AT THE INTERSECTION. 
          THERE ARE, AND TWO UP BY THE CHELSEA. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THEY TRIED TO PUT THEM AT THE INTERSECTIONS THERE, BUT I'D MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ANYBODY. 
          LIKE EAST FRONT STREET POLL. 
          I AGREE. 
          WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT. 
          UM, AND MAYBE JUST THEN COME BACK TO US AT OUR NEXT MEETING WITH A RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING, WE WANT TRASH FORMS. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S SAYING WE DON'T WANT MORE TRASH CANS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I JUST, I THINK IT'S THE PLACEMENT OF THEM AND WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. 
          MY COMMENT'S GONNA BE TO YOU. 
          I, I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE AND SAY, WELL WE NEED TO PUT THIS CAN HERE OR HERE. 
          THAT'S NOT REALLY THE ROLE OF THIS COMMITTEE. 
          MY RECOMMENDATION IS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONAL TRASH CANS, GIVE US A NUMBER AND THEN WE'LL LET STAFF DETERMINE EXACTLY WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. 
          I WOULD SAY UP TO EIGHT TRASH CANS. 
          THAT'S THE CITY DETERMINED IT'S NECESSARY. 
          YEAH. 
          SHOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE BECAUSE IT DOES BENEFIT ALL THE DOWNTOWN. 
          IT DOES. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD ADD TO THAT, IF YOU'RE GOING DO REFER WHAT YOU GOT. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          YEP, YEP. 
          THEY HAVE A UNIFORM ON THE GRAIN ALL ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ALONG THE RIVER WALK FROM, ONCE YOU LEAVE, UH, UNION POINT PARK AND YOU GO UNDER THE BRIDGE AND YOU'RE AT THE CONVENTION CENTER ALL THE WAY TO THE FARMER'S MARKET, THERE'S NOT ONE SINGLE TRASH CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NONE OVER THERE. 
          SO IT'D BE THAT'S TRUE. 
          SO ONE OR TWO CANS AT THE CONVENTION CENTER, MAYBE ONE BY THE DOUBLE TREE AND SKY SALE. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA DO, IF WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER SEVEN BENCHES, MAYBE A CAN OR TWO, MAYBE ONE'S RECYCLED. 
          HOW ABOUT SOME RECYCLED CANS? YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THIS MAINTENANCE FAN NOW AND THE WHOLE KEY IS EMPTYING THESE THINGS BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT IS THE ISSUE. 
          THE ISSUE I CAN'T FACE SOMETIMES AT THE PEPSI STORE IF THEY DON'T GET IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'VE HAD A BUSY SATURDAY AND IT'S OVERFLOWING. 
          AND SO THAT THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN WALKING OUR BEAUTIFUL RIVER WALK. 
          AND WE'VE GOT TRASH CANS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN EMPTY AND THEY'RE OVERFLOWING AND THEY MOUTH ESPECIALLY DO SOMETHING FOSTER DO SOMETIMES EMPTY DOORS. 
          NO. 
          'CAUSE I HAVE NOWHERE. 
          I CAN'T THAT LID, I HAVE NO WAY TO GET THAT LID. 
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YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T MORE TRANS STOP MORE CAN STOP THEM FROM OVERFLOWING? NO, PEOPLE JUST LIKE PARKING. 
          JUST 'CAUSE THE PARKING ISN'T IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          PEOPLE DON'T WANNA WALK TWO MORE FEET, YOU KNOW, SO THEY OVERFLOW THAT ONE RATHER THAN CARRY IT TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          FOSTERS JUST SOMETHING TO NATURE THAT THIS COMMITTEE COULD ASK THE CITY TO ANALYZE. 
          SURE. 
          AND AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS LIKE, AGAIN, IN MY MIND, WHICH MAY BE UNIQUE, UM, UM, I WOULD THINK THAT LIKE TRASH CANS WOULD BELONG ADJACENT TO BENCHES. 
          ALTHOUGH I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN CREATE SMELLS AND STUFF, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE TRASH IS GONNA BE GENERATED. 
          I ALSO WAS HEARING AN APPLAUD THE CONCEPT OF MAYBE, UM, CLEANUP AFTER YOUR DOG AND THAT DOG, THE, THE PUBLIC WALKWAY IS CHOCK FULL AND THOSE USUALLY IF YOU HAVE BAG DISPENSERS, HAVE TRASH THINGS WITH THEM. 
          BUT THOSE CAN GET FILLED VERY QUICKLY IF PEOPLE ARE PUTTING LIKE BOTTLES AND CANS ON THEM. 
          UM, AND, AND SO I'M, I'M NOT SAYING I HAVE AN ANSWER, BUT I THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE WORTH LOOKING AT WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT THE BENCHES AND UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE WALKING THE DOGS AND CAN YOU PUT ONE OR TWO OR THREE DOG BAG TRASH RECEPTORS? AND, UM, I DON'T USE THAT SPACE ENOUGH TO FEEL QUALIFIED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT THE CITY COULD HOPEFULLY. 
          WE SURE CAN. 
          AND, AND, UH, I THINK THAT ADDING THE TRASH CAN AT EVERY BENCH IS, IS OVERKILL. 
          WELL, I WOULDN'T, IT'S DEFINITELY OVERKILL. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A A, AN ACTUAL GREAT FORMULA ONE EVERY THREE OR WHATNOT. 
          YEAH. 
          REALLY DEPENDS ON THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND, AND WHAT TYPE OF TRASH WE'RE SEEING. 
          WELL, I LOOK, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO AREN'T GONNA LOOK FOR A TRASH CAN, EVEN IF IT'S FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THEM. 
          AND THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WILL LOOK FOR IT, EVEN IF IT'S A HUNDRED YARDS AWAY. 
          AS A ONE TIME CITY RESIDENT, I ALWAYS LOOK TO THE CORNERS. 
          IF I'M IN A CITY, THE TRASH CAN'S GONNA BE AT THE CORNER. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK. 
          AND IF I WERE ON THE PUBLIC WALKWAY, I WOULD JUST LOOK UP AND DOWN. 
          IF I CAN SEE ONE TWO BENCHES AWAY, THEN I CAN CARRY IT THAT FAR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK WE'VE GIVEN DIRECTION TO FOSTER TO COME BACK. 
          AND ARE WE GOOD MICHAEL LEE? UP TO EIGHT BENCHES. 
          I JUST, I HAVE, EXCUSE ME. 
          I THINK, YEAH, UP TO EIGHT I THINK WOULD BE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ALSO, UM, WE'VE BEEN PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE, UM, LITTLE ATTACHMENTS ON THE TRASH CANS FOR CIGARETTE BUTTS AND IT'S LIKE MOUNTED ON THERE. 
          THEY HAVE 'EM IN MYRTLE BEACH. 
          THAT WAS SO COOL. 
          AND IT'S JUST SOMEHOW YOU, YOU'RE EMPTY AND EASY. 
          BUT I MEAN, IF WE CAN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO SMOKE TO PUT THEIR BUTTS IN, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC PLACES VERSUS ALL OVER THE STREET, THAT WOULD MAKE YOU VERY HAPPY. 
          DO WE SEE THEM ALL OVER THE STREET? OH MY GOD. 
          THEY'RE, I SWEEP 'EM UP, I KICK 'EM. 
          I THEY'RE, AND THEY GO TO THE RIVER, YOU KNOW, THEY END UP IN THE GUTTER AND THEN THEY GO TO THE RIVER. 
          THEY'RE POLLUTING THE RIVER. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT DO THOSE PLACES SERVE AS FIRE HAZARDS? BECAUSE , I, I'M JUST WONDERING. 
          OKAY. 
          SERIOUSLY, I HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UH, I'M OPEN FOR SOLUTIONS. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION. 
          I'M JUST THROWING OUT PROBLEMS. I, I'M GUESSING. 
          YEAH, I'M GUESSING THE DESIGN OF THOSE IS TO PREVENT THE TRASH CAN FROM BEING THE FIRE HAZARD. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THEY HAVE LIKE A STRICTLY LIKE A METAL TUBE THAT YOU JUST DROP? YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE TUBE. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT REAL BIG. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, I DUNNO RESEARCH ON THAT. 
          WHAT WAS IT A TRASH CAN? IT WAS A CIGARETTE OR SOMETHING. 
          ONE OF THE PLASTIC ONES. 
          OKAY. 
          FOSTER, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT SO WE CAN MOVE ALONG TO THE NEXT ITEM? UM, OKAY. 
          UH, WAS THIS ABOUT DOWNTOWN SIDEWALK? SO WHEN, WHEN I WAS MEETING WITH MICHAEL LEE, SHE, SHE WANTED TO TALK TO SOMETHING ABOUT SOME SIDEWALKS. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE ON ONE OF YOUR LAST THINGS OVER HERE, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A MAP AND, AND SOME AREAS THAT, THAT SHE BROUGHT UP WAS FEDERAL ALLEY FROM. 
          YES. 
          UM, JAMES RE LANE TO MIDDLE STREET CURRENTLY IS JUST A, UM, BLOCK CONCRETE SIDEWALK GOING OVER THERE AND MADE THE RECOMMENDATION OF DOING EXPOSED AGGREGATE, PULLING THAT UP, BEING ABLE TO RUN UNDERGROUND WIRING IN THERE WHERE YOU COULD EITHER RAMP THE TREES WITH, WITH LIGHTS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE IN JAMES REED LANE, OR HAVE SOME TYPE OF UPLIGHTING IN THAT AREA. 
          THE OTHER AREA WAS, THE OTHER PART OF THE ALLEY WAS, UM, BETWEEN THE UNMARKS BUILDING AND THE CHURCH, UM, FROM, FROM MIDDLE OF HANCOCK STREET MAKE BASICALLY WIDENING THAT TO THE SAFETY 
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WIDE DOING EXPOSED AGGREGATE ON THAT TO JUST IMPROVE THAT APPEARANCE. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ON, AT UNION POINT PARK, AS YOU'RE COMING UNDERNEATH THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, WE DO HAVE ONE SIDEWALK THAT JUST STOPS. 
          AND SO THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE THIS ON THE RENDERING WHERE THAT WOULD BASICALLY GO BACK UP TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARK AND SOUTH FRONT AND EAST FRONT STREET. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE THE PRICES ON THAT. 
          ONE OF THE THING, AND I'M NOT RECOMMENDING THIS AT THIS TIME 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL STUDYING IT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, DOING IS WIDENING THE RIVER WALK BASICALLY FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER DOWN TO SKY SILL. 
          CURRENTLY THAT AREA HAS A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK AND, UH, AREA 30 AREA FEET THOUGH WAY WE, OUR RIGHT OF WAY IS 30 FEET. 
          THERE. 
          IT IS, IT IS. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CAMERA PROCESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE A 10 FOOT WALKWAY FOR THAT. 
          IT'LL MAKE IT MORE INVITING, EXPOSED, AGGREGATE. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE COMING UP. 
          BUT WE WE'RE STILL DOING SOME STUDIES ON THAT. 
          SO MICHAEL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THAT, WE'RE WELCOME TO. 
          NO, I THINK, UH, WE ALSO DISCUSSED, UH, UH, JAMES REED PARK FROM MIDDLE STREET. 
          YEAH. 
          FROM MIDDLE STREET TO JAMES REED PARK WHERE IT STOPPED AND THAT YOU ACTUALLY DO HAVE FUNDS TO CONTINUE THAT AGGREGATE ALONG THERE. 
          AND IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE IT TO JAMES RE PARK OR IT'S SOMEWHERE CLOSE IT, IT WOULD BE CLOSE TO IT. 
          YES. 
          THE REMAINING, SO FINISHING, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL GRANT FROM IT, CRAVEN STREET TO JAMES RE IT'S STREET CRAVEN TO, YEAH. 
          IS AGGREGATE A CHEAPER SOLUTION THAN PAVERS? LIKE WE HAVE EVERYWHERE AT US COUNTY PAVERS IS THE HARDEST THING TO FIND. 
          NOW CURRENTLY YOU NOT MAKE THIS TYPE OF PAVER ANYMORE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT, GEORGE? WELL, WE CAN GET SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT THAT WAS JUST A TIME PERIOD THING. 
          AND ALSO WHEN YOU'RE CONNECTING PAPERS HERE, COLOR MATCHES CAN BE DIFFICULT. 
          BUT, BUT WE GET SOMETHING SIMILAR. 
          UM, EXPOSED AGGREGATE EASE INSTALLATION, VERY SIMILAR TO BRUSH, FLAT, CONCRETE, UM, PAPERS REQUIRE SUBGRADE BASE AND, AND FURTHER EXCAVATION. 
          SO AGGREGATE IS LIKE GRAVEL, LIKE YOU CAN GRAVEL, IF YOU GO ON GRAVEL ON HANCOCK STREET, WE HAVE IT ON HANCOCK STREET AND, AND DOWN P*****K STREET. 
          THE BLOCK THAT THE PALACE IS ON. 
          IS THAT WHERE THAT IS TOO? BECAUSE I REMEMBER WE DID SEE SWIMMING POOLS, YOU KNOW, THEY DO THAT PEA GRAVEL AROUND POOLS, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S GLUED TOGETHER. 
          YOU CAN SEE ON C**K POLL THAT WAY. 
          LIKE GOING TO THE PALACE TAKES A LONG TIME. 
          IT'S NOT GLUED. 
          BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, IS THEY USE MORE GRAVEL AGGREGATE IN THERE. 
          AND SO THAT BASICALLY POSE OFF THE TOP LAYER TO WHERE YOU'VE GOT THAT EXPOSED LOOK ON. 
          YEAH, LOOKS GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE MORE CORNER. 
          IT WOULD BE AT THE ENTRANCE OF UNION POINT PARK ON THE NORTH SIDE. 
          AND IT'S JUST DIRT. 
          IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING TO CONCERTS OR GOING BACK AND FORTH, YOU GOT A PILE OF PEOPLE HANGING OUT OF THAT LIGHT WAITING FOR THE LIGHT TO TURN AND IT'S JUST, UH, UNEVEN. 
          IT IS WHERE THE BEAR IS. 
          THERE'S A BEAR THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT'S, THAT CORNER IS JUST A DUSTY DIRT, JUST A DUSTY BOWL OF DIRT. 
          SO AGGREGATE I THINK WOULD LOOK SOMETHING, SOMETHING WOULD LOOK GOOD THERE TO, UH, JUST COVER IT. 
          SO WHAT WE COULD LOOK AT FOR THAT IS I'LL SPEAK WITH PARTS AND RECREATION STAFF AND THEY'LL SEE IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH SOME BEAUTIFICATION IDEAS BEFORE WE END UP DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT WE CAN COME BACK ON THAT IF IT OKAY. 
          AND, AND THE, THE FEDERAL ALLEY, THE MIDDLE, THE MIDDLE STREET TO THE CORNER OF JAMES REED LANE, THAT WOULD CONNECT INTO THE OTHER, COULD THAT BE CONSIDERED PART OF OUR, UM, REDEVELOPMENT OF THE INNER CORE TOO? SINCE WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING ELECTRIC BACK THERE, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING EVERYTHING. 
          I WOULD RATHER LUMP THAT IN WITH THE COST OF THAT, BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT ENOUGH ELECTRIC, I WANT SEE LIGHTS THROUGH ALL OF IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO LIGHT UP THAT BACK AREA. 
          SO WE ARE BACK THERE. 
          WE DO, AND WE REALLY NEED TO LIGHT UP THAT AREA. 
          SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT KIND OF FOLDED INTO THAT PROJECT. 
          EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT? GOOD WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          FOSTER, LET'S GO ON TO INTERCORE REDEVELOPMENT. 
          OKAY, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO DAVID. 
          HE HAD SENT, UH, SOME, UH, PRELIMINARY DESIGNS, UH, A DAY OR SO AGO THROUGH THAT. 
          SO, UM, FIRST OFF, THIS IS NOT MY DESIGN. 
          I THINK THIS IS THE, THE COMMITTEE'S DESIGN. 
          I SIMPLY TOOK THE CONSTRAINTS AND THEN THE GOALS THAT, THAT WERE DEVELOPED AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE, AND THEN, UM, USED THOSE TO TRY TO GUIDE HOW IT MIGHT LOOK. 
          UM, THE, THE FIRST PAGE HERE IS JUST THE EXISTING SURVEY, UM, OVERLAID ON THE, UM, ON THE ORTHO PHOTO, UM, WHERE THE, THE CITY PROPERTY LINES ARE, ARE A, UM, 
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A HEAVIER LINE WEIGHT. 
          UM, THERE IS ONE STRAY LINE IN THERE. 
          I HAVE TO TALK TO MY CAD TECHNICIAN, . 
          UM, AND THE, UH, THE, THE, THE EXISTING PARKING SPACE NUMBER THERE, I JUST SIMPLY COUNTED WHAT I SAW AS PARKING SPACES FROM THIS. 
          I DIDN'T GO OUT AND ACTUALLY COUNT THEM. 
          UM, AND THE REASON I SAID PLUS OR MINUS IS BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          AND ALSO THERE'S SOME CARS PARKED HERE WHERE I'M NOT SURE IF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY SPACES. 
          SO GO BACK TO THE SECOND PAGE. 
          AND, UM, WHAT I TRIED TO DO HERE WAS, WAS STAY WITHIN THE CITY PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND THE, THE AREA, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT APPEAR COLOR ARE GENERALLY WHERE THE, THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS, UM, BEGIN. 
          UM, THE AREA THAT IS CIRCULAR THERE WITH, UM, WHERE THE, THE COMPACTOR IS, UM, OR GETTING ACCESS TO THE COMPACTOR. 
          UM, I DIDN'T ACTUALLY USE THE VEHICLE TURNING RADIUS TO FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT WHAT I DID WAS I WENT TO THE, THE DOUBLE TREE WHERE THAT, UM, AT THE END OF MIDDLE STREET IS THERE'S THAT ROUNDABOUT AND, UM, THE TRUCK ACTUALLY LOADS THE COMPACTOR FROM THE DOUBLE TREE IN THAT LOCATION. 
          SO I USE THAT SAME RADIUS AND IT JUST PLOPPED IT IN HERE. 
          UM, AND, UH, THE LOGIC YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THERE, THERE ARE CARS PARKED THERE. 
          THE LOGIC, UM, BEHIND THAT IS THAT THE COMPACTOR WILL BE, UM, LOADED UP DURING NON WORK PERIODS AND THAT THIS PARKING WILL BE EMPTY DURING OFF HOURS. 
          UM, AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS IS NOT A DETAILED DESIGN. 
          THERE'S MORE WORK THAT'LL HAVE TO BE PUT INTO THIS BY A, BY A CONSULTANT WORKING OUT ALL THE, THE NUANCES, UM, SUCH AS, UM, ACCESS TO THEOR FOR, FOR LOADING IT. 
          UM, THERE IS SORT OF A, UM, A PATHWAY BETWEEN THE, THE TWO PARKING BAYS WHERE THOSE, UH, CARS ARE, ARE FACING EACH OTHER. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LONG ENOUGH TO ACHIEVE THE, THE ELEVATION WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT RAMP GOING UP TO IT. 
          UM, GFL DID MENTION MAYBE A COMBINATION OF, OF LOWERING THE, UM, THE COMPACTOR AND A RAMP MIGHT BE A SOLUTION. 
          UM, SOME, SOME OTHER ELEMENTS ON HERE THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT. 
          UM, MAINTAINING THE, A, A SIMILAR GRIDED BRICK PATTERN, UM, GOING THROUGH THERE FOR THE BARE PLAZA EXTENSION AND AN ATTEMPT TO MAINTAIN THAT, THAT ALLEYWAY BETWEEN THE, UM, EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT, THAT, THAT ESTABLISHED THE EXISTING BEAR PLAZA AND JUST EXTENDING IT BACK, TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT AS, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND AS YOU'RE HEADING BACK INTO THE BEAR PLAZA EXTENSION, UM, YOU'LL SEE THERE IS A, A VEHICULAR CROSS CROSSING THERE ON EITHER SIDE IS A RAMP SO THAT THOSE VEHICLES WILL ACTUALLY GO UP ONTO THE, THE, THE WALKWAY AND THE AREA WHERE YOU'RE NOT SEEING BRICK. 
          WHAT I WAS THINKING IS SOME SORT OF LIKE A, A HIGH PROFILE LIKE STAMPED CONCRETE, LIKE A, A COBBLESTONE LOOK SO THAT IT'S, IT'S BUMPY FOR VEHICLES. 
          SOMETHING THAT'LL KIND OF, NOT, NOT ONLY THE RAMP, BUT THAT BUMPY SURFACE WILL BE A, UM, A REAL INDICATOR THAT HEY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROCESSING AN AREA THAT'S MORE SUITED FOR, FOR, FOR PEDESTRIANS RATHER THAN VEHICLES, BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S, IT'S ALLOWING VEHICLES TO CROSS THERE. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT IT DOES, UM, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE SOME, SOME PLANTERS THERE THAT I, THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED THROUGHOUT. 
          UM, THOSE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES WHERE, UM, THEY COULD BE BLOCKED OFF WHERE THE, THE VEHICULAR ACCESS COULD MAYBE BE BLOCKED OFF. 
          UM, AND I WAS THINKING BOLLARDS THAT RUN ALONG THAT VEHICULAR PATHWAY WITH SOME SORT OF LIKE A, A HEAVY NAUTICAL CHAIN THAT'S KIND OF PART OF OUR, THE NEW BERN HERITAGE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NAUTICAL LOOK. 
          UM, BUT THEN THOSE CHAINS COULD ALSO BE RECONFIGURED DURING FESTIVALS OR IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT STRICTLY PEDESTRIAN AND, AND AGAIN, FURTHER RESTRICT THAT VEHICULAR, UM, CROSSING, UM, THEN COMING DOWN INTO THE, UM, INTO THE 
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BEAR PLAZA EXTENSION, UM, THE CIRCULAR AREA THERE WITHIN THE, UM, THE PATHWAY IS IN PLACE FOR A VERY GO-ROUND, UM, . 
          AND IF THAT, IF THAT IS NOT DESIRED, UM, WHAT IS ALSO INCLUDED THERE, YOU'LL SEE A, UM, A, A LIGHTER, UM, RECTANGULAR AREA THAT'S THE SAME OUTLINE AS THE GAZEBO, THE EXISTING GAZEBO THAT'S IN THE CURRENT, UM, VER PLAZA. 
          UM, THE SMALLER CIRCLE, UM, CLOSER TO CRAVEN. 
          UM, I WAS THINKING THAT MIGHT BE A, A SUITABLE PLACE FOR THE, UM, THE, THE GREG SMITH ARTWORKS, UM, AS I WAS COMING IN AND, AND LOOKING AT THAT ARTWORK THOUGH, UM, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE KEPT IN MIND IS, I MEAN, IS THAT CREATING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IT, FOR IT BE ANALYZED? IS IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT STRONG ENOUGH THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE SO AND SO IF, IF THAT'S A CONCERN, MAYBE SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS NEED TO BE, UM, MADE FOR THAT, UM, TO THE, TO THE RIGHT AS YOU'RE HEADING TO, TO CRAVEN IS A, A LANDSCAPED AREA AND, UM, YOU SEE, UM, CUTOUTS THERE, UM, FOR BENCHES. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC FLOW, WHAT WHAT I'M SHOWING IS, UM, VEHICLES COMING IN AND OUT THE SAME WAY ON CRAVEN, BUT, BUT STILL KEEPING A, UH, AN ACCESS BEHIND, UM, MORGAN'S, UM, BUT ALSO TRYING TO KEEP IT WITHIN THE CITY PROPERTY. 
          IF FOR SOME REASON AN OWNER DECIDES TO BLOCK IT OFF, THEN WE, WE STILL HAVE A VIABLE, UM, PARKING AREA THERE. 
          UM, AND THE, THE REASON WE'RE SHOWING DIFFERENT MATERIALS ALSO IS THAT THAT CIRCULAR AREA WOULD, UM, WOULD LIKELY BE A REINFORCED CONCRETE TYPE PRODUCT TO WITHSTAND THE HEAVY, UM, VEHICLE TRAFFIC OF THE, UM, THE, UH, COMPACT TO THE TRUCK. 
          UM, THEN ON THE THE NEXT PAGE YOU'LL SEE JUST A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION FOR THE PARKING AND, UH, OH, THAT, THAT ONE WE JUST LOOKED AT HAS 24 PARKING SPACES. 
          THE NEXT ONE, UM, A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION AND THAT ACHIEVED FOUR MORE PARKING SPACES. 
          UM, BUT THE THOUGHT THERE IS MAYBE THOSE, UM, THAT'S A MOUNTABLE CURB AT THOSE PARKING SPACES TO THE SOUTH, UM, GO UP TO. 
          UM, BUT IT STILL HAVE, YOU STILL HAVE THAT CIRCULAR, UM, AREA FOR THE, UM, FOR THE, UH, COMPACTED TRUCKS. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I DID ON, ON BOTH OF THESE SHEETS IS IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER, I TOOK THE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED BY, UM, THE THREE DIFFERENT AD HOC COMMITTEES AND LISTED THEM. 
          AND, UM, AS A LITTLE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT, IF YOU ALL WANTED TO GO THROUGH AND SEE HOW, HOW THOSE, UM, THOSE ITEMS ARE ACHIEVED BY THESE DIFFERENT LAYOUTS, PLEASE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO SO. 
          AND MIKE LEAVE. 
          NICE. 
          UM, ANY QUESTIONS? NICE, THERE, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT A DELIVERY ZONE. 
          DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT? OH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, THE, THE PARALLEL PARKING IS WHAT I WAS THINKING WOULD BE THAT THE DELIVERY ZONE AND THAT WOULD GIVE, UM, SO THAT CIRCULAR AREA WOULD NOT ONLY GIVE A PLACE FOR THE, UM, THE COMPACT FACTOR TRUCK TO, TO, UH, TURN AROUND AND PICK UP, BUT BOX TRUCKS WOULD LIKELY BE ABLE TO, UH, NAVIGATE THAT ALSO AND THEN, UM, PARK IN THE PARALLEL PARKING. 
          SO DAVE, EXPLAIN TO ME, I I'M, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU'RE HAVING INGRESS AND EGRESS ON ONE SIDE. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE THE CARS THAT ARE ON THE RIGHT ON THE NORTH SIDE, THEY PULL IN, WHEN THEY PULL OUT, THEY BACK OUT AND GO OUT THE SAME WAY THAT THEY CAME IN? YES. 
          AND THE SAME THING THAT, THAT CONCERNS ME. 
          I, I LIKE THE INGRESS AND EGRESS AROUND A CIRCLE. 
          I'M CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE TO GO ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY. 
          WHERE DO WE GO ON WHAT ELSE? NO, I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU, IF YOU, IF IT GOT CON I I IS THAT REALLY WIDE ENOUGH TO BACK A CAR OUT AND THEN YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN FACE, SO YOU BACK YOUR CAR OUT AND I GUESS YOU HAVE TO COME, COME OUT, BUT YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY COMING IN. 
          IS THAT ENOUGH SPACE? YES. 
          HOW, HOW WIDE IS THAT? I DON'T, I THINK I DID FOR WOMEN DRIVERS. 
          I THINK I DID 22 FEET. 
          24 IS THE STANDARD. 
          22 CAN STILL WORK. 
          UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS IS NOT A DETAILED DESIGN. 
          LET'S LET OUR, LET WHOEVER DESIGNS IT. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE, THE WALKWAY MOVE OVER AND HAVE INGRESS EGRESS. 
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LIKE WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT. 
          SO YOU'RE COMING IN AND OUT AND, AND PRESERVING THAT AREA LIKE THAT AND, AND MOVING THAT IN. 
          THAT'S JUST MY FEEL FOR THINGS. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU COULD PROVIDE WHERE YOU COME IN AND OUT SO IT'S EASY TO GET IN AND OUT 10 TIMES? YEAH, SO NO, I MOVE THE, THE, THE WALKWAY OVER SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE, UM, ADDITIONAL PARKING AND EGRESS ON, YOU KNOW, INGRESS ON ONE SIDE, EGRESS ON THE OTHER SO THAT IT'S CONSTANTLY GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION AND NOT IN TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. 
          LIKE THE WAY IT'S NOW WITH TWO, TWO ENTRANCES OR ONE ENTRANCE ON EXIT. 
          LIKE IT'S CURRENTLY NOW TOO. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SORRY. 
          IT'S, IT BASICALLY THAT SAME WAY BUT WIDE IN THAT, AND IT MAY BE THAT WE DON'T HAVE PARKING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CENTER MAY HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF 28 PARKING SPACES, BUT PUT IT ALONG THE EDGES. 
          SO THE 18 LANES PARKING LOT NOW HAS ONE IN, UH, EGRESS AND INGRESS. 
          AND HOW WIDE IS THAT? WELL, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE FROM ONE COLUMN, BECAUSE IT'S PARKING ON BOTH, SO CORRECT. 
          IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE THE DRIVING WIDTH IN ONE PARKING, IT'S EQUAL DISTANT TO WHAT DAVID IS DRAWN. 
          SO IT'S 22, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT 22, 24 FEET TO NAVIGATE. 
          AND AND WE DO IT CURRENTLY ALL THE TIME IN THAT PARKING WOULD LIKE TO SEE TWO THOUGHTS. 
          ONE IS I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD CHALLENGE GFL, THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO TURN AROUND IN THERE. 
          THEY PULL IN AND BACK OUT. 
          AND SO WE COULD GET RID OF THE CIRCULAR TURNAROUND THERE AND JUST RUN THE PARKING FURTHER BACK BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE THEIR WISHLIST. 
          BUT I THINK IF YOU TELL THEM, KEEP WISHING THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH, THAT THEY'LL DEAL WITH IT. 
          I THINK AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE CITY COULD PUT THAT QUESTION TO THEM. 
          I WONDER IF THEY HAVE SOME CONSTRAINTS THOUGH WITH, WITH INSURANCE OR AT, AT HOW FAR, HOW FAR THEY CAN BACK UP. 
          HOW FAR YOU KNOW, IS THAT THAT IS A A LONG WAY TO, TO BACK UP IF THEY YEAH, I, I MEAN, UM, I KNOW I'VE SEEN 18 WHEEL DRIVERS DO THINGS MORE CHALLENGING THAN THAT. 
          UM, SO I JUST, I WOULD HATE TO DO IT'S, THAT'S VERY CUMBERSOME. 
          I THINK THE OTHER COMMENT I WOULD MAKE IS I LOVE THE IDEA OF A MERRY-GO-ROUND SOMEWHERE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE PLACE. 
          I AGREE. 
          AND I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE IMAGINE THIS, THE FIRST AND FOREMOST OBJECTIVE HERE IS PEDESTRIAN PROOF WAY, RIGHT? THEY PRACTICALLY HAVE TO CLIMB ACROSS THE MERRY-GO-ROUND FOR THE BREW TRAFFIC THERE. 
          UM, THERE'S I THINK THAT'S 10 FEET, UM, ON EITHER SIDE. 
          UM, AL ALSO THE, THE LOGIC HERE IS, UM, DURING CHRISTMAS WHEN WE HAVE THE UM, TAMMY'S HOUSE, UM, IN BEAR PLAZA AND EVERYONE, ALL THE KIDS AND EVERYTHING ARE LINED UP DOWN MIDDLE STREET, THAT JUST REALLY CONCERNS ME THAT THE SAFETY ASPECT OF IT AND THIS WOULD KIND OF ENCOURAGE THEM TO, TO GO THIS WAY AND GIVE THEM SOMETHING ATTRACTIVE TO TO, BUT THAT'S THE LINEUP NOW. 
          THEY DO MAKE THEM, THEY MAKE THEM LINE UP GOING BACKWARDS. 
          THEY DON'T MAKE THEM LINE UP ON . 
          THEY'RE ALL OVER MIDDLE STREET. 
          WELL, I MEAN YOU CAN'T HAVE NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT THE LINE, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          THEY'RE GONNA GO WHERE IT, BUT I MEAN THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S HOW WE HAVE, WE HAVE EXTENSIONS AND EVERYTHING GOING TO THE BACK OF BEAR PLAZA. 
          WE STOP THAT BECAUSE OF THE CONGESTION, YOU KNOW, ON, ON MIDDLE STREET. 
          AND I WANT TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT A MARY AROUND, IT'S A VERY BARRIER . 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT OVER EASILY POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT TOO. 
          LIKE TO SEE IT WHERE UNION POINT OR SOMEPLACE DIFFERENT THAN, I DUNNO IF THAT'S A GOOD SPOT BLOOD CORNER OF FRONT AND CR IN THAT BIG GRASS AREA. 
          YEAH, WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING ELECTRON. 
          BUT JUST THINK ABOUT IT. 
          JUST THINK ABOUT IT. 
          IT'S A HORRIBLE IDEA. 
          I WOULD TODAY THAT WE CERTAINLY PASS IT THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND GEORGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LIMIT ACCESS TO THE REAR OF THESE BUILDINGS FOR A HUNDRED FOOT LADDER TRUCK TO GET INTO. 
          I AGREE POINT, WELL A POINT WAS MADE AT THE WORK SESSION THAT UM, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT THE CITY'S OBJECTIVES ARE HERE BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE LOVELY. 
          BUT WE'RE GIVING UP ROUGHLY A THIRD OF THE PARKING SPACES. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S A QUESTION. 
          THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE IF WE COULD COME BACK TO OUR, WHAT THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT IS, BUT WIDEN 
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WIDEN THE, THE SIDEWALK, THE PATH TO GET TO CONNECT CRAVEN AND TO CONNECT, UM, IN THE MIDDLE, THAT PASTURE, THAT WAS THE INTENT. 
          SO PEOPLE WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE PARKING ON CRAVEN OR WHATEVER WALKING THROUGH TO GET TO MIDDLE AND VICE VERSA. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          UM, UH, THE COMPACTOR LOOKS GREAT THERE. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE OWNERS OF THE PARKING SPACES FOR THE CONDOS BASED ON THIS DRAWING AND HOWEVER WE'RE GONNA WORK THAT OUT. 
          'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT GOES INTO THOSE SPACES, DAVE, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, CORRECT. 
          AND, AND AND THE THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ASPECT OF IT IS REALLY WHAT WAS KIND OF DRIVING IT TO, UM, TO GO THIS WAY AND, AND HAVE THAT THE PARKING CONSOLIDATED TO THE NORTH. 
          WHEREAS IF WE, IF WE HAVE THAT IN AND OUT, UH, MOVEMENT, LIKE IT'S CURRENTLY GOING, THAT IS IT, IT IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY A, A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE PEDESTRIANS AND THE VEHICLES. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SOLVING ANYTHING IF WE, IF WE KEEP THAT IS, IS MY CONCERN. 
          I THINK WITH A SIDEWALK WITH THIS MUCH PEDESTRIAN WIDTH, I THINK IT WILL JUST OPEN UP CRAVEN STREET. 
          I THINK CRAVEN STREET WILL JUST BECOME A WHOLE LOT BUSIER. 
          PEOPLE WILL WANT TO GO TO THE END. 
          JUST THINK IT'LL, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ALL THE TRAFFIC'S ON MIDDLE STREET. 
          I MEAN WE, WE JUST ALL KNOW THAT. 
          BUT WITH THIS CONNECTION AND IT, IT JUST, THE GREEN AND JUST THE WIDTH OF ALL THE, THE PEDESTRIAN. 
          BY THE TIME YOU GET TO CRAVEN STREET, NOW YOU'RE READY TO, UM, EXPLORE THAT STREET. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'LL WALK IT MORE ONCE, WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THE, UM, SIDEWALK, LET'S JUST SAY ON EITHER SIDE OF THE VERY GO-ROUND, UM, LIKE THE TWO BLOCK WIDTH. 
          WHAT IS THAT? I THINK THAT'S 10. 
          SO THEY'RE LIKE FIVE THAT EACH BLOCK WOULD REPRESENT ABOUT FIVE FEET. 
          UM, OH, NO, NO, NO. 
          YOU TALKING ABOUT THE YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          YEAH, THESE LITTLE, YEAH, MAYBE MORE THAN OH YEAH. 
          SO THAT PARALLEL PARKING, UM, SPACE THAT'S SEVEN FEET WIDE. 
          NO, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BLOCK. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, I KNOW. 
          SO IF YOU JUST USE THAT LX, UM, PROBABLY 20, YEAH, PROBABLY 20. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT? 20 PLUS? MM-HMM . 
          AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE SCALE. 
          SO, UM, THE SCALE THAT'S SHOWN ON THERE, IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, THE SCALE IS TWICE THAT, TWICE THAT. 
          SO BECAUSE IT WAS SO EQUALS 40. 
          SO GET MY, THE BEAR PLAZA RIGHT NOW, 30 FEET IS 30, 37 FOOT. 
          20 FOOT SQUARE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT, UM, THE, THE BRICK BRICKS OF THAT ORANGE AREA THAT IS ON THERE, THAT'S ABOUT JUST WHAT, JUST UNDER 18 FEET TOTAL BETWEEN THE TWO BLOCKS OR EACH BLOCK? I'M TALKING, WELL, I'M SAYING LIKE, SO THIS, THIS PLUS THIS, SO THE WIDTH OF THIS, EACH ONE OF THOSE IS ABOUT 18. 
          SO YOU'RE LIKE 36 FEET WIDE. 
          GOODNESS. 
          THAT'S VERY FLAT. 
           ABOUT 20 FEET WIDE. 
          HERE'S SCALE. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          38. 
          I SEE THAT SCALE JUST, AND AGAIN, VALUE OF PARKING THAT WOULD NEED IN DOWNTOWN. 
          I'M, I'M, THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONE CONCERN, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GONNA FAKE IT. 
          KIOSK PARKING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I HEAR EVERYBODY SCREAM ABOUT ALL THE TIME ABOUT NOT ENOUGH PARKING SPACES. 
          IF THAT WAS THE CASE, WE WOULDN'T CLOSE LEASE TO SOMEBODY ALL DAY, EVERY DAY. 
          OR, OR BUILD LIKE YEAH, I AGREE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO CHANGE INTO KIOSK SO THAT MORE PEOPLE, I UNDERSTAND IT REALLY IS SUCH AN ISSUE WOULD'VE BEEN CHANGED A LONG TIME AGO. 
          UM, THE PARKING, IT WAS, IT WAS CHANGED A LONG 
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TIME AGO. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS OPEN FREE PARKING ALL THE TIME AND THEN IT, THE EMPLOYEES COULD COME PARK. 
          IT'S BEEN CHANGED SEVERAL TIMES, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE MY GREATEST CONCERN IS LOSING, I MEAN TO HAVE 38, 36, 38 FEET OF WALKWAY. 
          UM, I THINK I CAN HEAR SOME CONCERNS FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, OFFICE PEOPLE, BUSINESS PEOPLE. 
          UM, I WOULD THINK THEY'D WANT TO TAKE THEIR LUNCH AND EAT OUTSIDE. 
          I THINK'S THE QUESTION OF THE USE OF IT, BECAUSE YOU COULD PUT IN THEIR CLOSET THERE GO, BUT THERE'S A VALUE TO ADD. 
          OH, THERE, IT'S ALWAYS, BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          BEAR PLAZA VERSUS SOMEPLACE THAT'S BEEN PARKING AND OKAY. 
          SO LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, THE CITY PARKING LOT OF WHICH WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS FOSTER, UM, NOT THAT ALL THOSE SPACES ARE FULL DURING THE DAY. 
          THEY'RE MORE FULL IN THE EVENING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND UM, I I GUESS THAT'S AN APP THAT YOU USE. 
          I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS. 
          IT'S SO, UM, BUT LIKE WHEN YOU GO GET GAS AND YOU WANT A CAR WASH, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU PAY FOR THE CAR WASH, YOU GOT A LITTLE TICK, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A NUMBER. 
          YOU MAY NOT GET YOUR CAR WASH WHEN YOU GET YOUR GAS, YOU KNOW, BUT THE NEXT TIME YOU'RE DRIVING, OH, I'LL GET MY CAR WASH. 
          NOW YOU PLUG IN YOUR NUMBER AND YOU GET YOUR CAR WASH. 
          IT COULD BE THE SAME WAY FOR THE CITY PARKING LOT. 
          SO, UH, RESTAURANT OWNERS COULD PURCHASE VOUCHERS THAT ARE FOR SPECIFIC TIMES. 
          SO YOU'RE JUST PAYING FOR THOSE SPECIFIC TIMES VERSUS A 24 HOUR PARKING SPACE THAT'S NOT USED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT WAY THEY WOULD HAVE THAT VOUCHER TO, TO PUT THEIR, OR WHAT THE EASIER WAY TO DO IT IS JUST, OH, WELL FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS, I WOULDN'T PAY FOR MY EMPLOYEES PARKING. 
          YOU KNOW, MAYBE, OH, I THOUGHT MORGAN'S DID. 
          NO, THOSE, NO, THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE SUPPOSEDLY FOR THEIR, THEIR GUESTS. 
          OH, I THOUGHT THEY HAD, I THOUGHT THEY DID THEM FOR SOME OF THEIR EMPLOYEES IF THEY DID THAT, THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT TOGETHER THE 20 SPACES, BECAUSE IT SAYS MORTGAGE PARKING ONLY MORGAN'S GAS PARKING ONLY. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE SIREN I RESTAURANTS. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT DO YOU THINK? WOULD THEY WELL, I MEAN, WHAT WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? YOU KNOW, I THINK IF, IF THE CITY WANTS TO INCENTIVIZE EMPLOYEES NOT PARKING ON THE STREETS IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESSES, TAX, YOU KNOW, PAYERS PAYING TO UPKEEP THOSE STREETS AND THEN THEY KIND OF HAVE A RIGHT TO PARK ON THE STREET. 
          THEY WANT INCENTIVIZES EMPLOYEES PARKING IN A PARKING LOT, THEN A NON, A NON-PAID VOUCHER TO THE BUSINESS TO LET THAT EMPLOYEE GO PARK IN THE CITY PARKING LOT FOR FREE WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL THAN ACTUALLY ME BUYING A BOOKLET OF VOUCHERS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE USED. 
          WHAT ABOUT FOR LIKE VALET PARKING? SO LIKE IF YOU BOUGHT A BOOK OF VOUCHERS AND THEN YOU WANTED TO OFFER VALET PARKING AND THEN THAT WOULD CREATE ANOTHER POSITION FOR SOMEONE WHO COULD GET TIPPED AND THEN YOUR PARKING CAR IS OVER THERE. 
          YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. 
          A LIABILITY. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A LIABILITY. 
          WE'VE LOOKED INTO VALET PARKING BEFORE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT JUST A THOUGHT. 
          I MEAN, JOHNNY CAN TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH LIABILITY THERE WILL BE IN THIS DOWNTOWN WOULDN'T BE IN PLACE TO PARK TEMPORARILY AND YOU DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          AND IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO GUARANTEE FOR THE VALET PARKING, IT WOULD BE A HEADACHE TO THE CUSTOMER TO TURN 'EM DOWN AND NOT KNOW WHEN THE CONSISTENT HOURS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE. 
          VALET PARK, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GIVING UP STREETSIDE PARKING AS WELL? NO, I'M THINKING ABOUT YOU NEED MULTIPLE VALETS, NOT JUST ONE TO GET THERE AND GET BACK AND YEAH, I DON'T THINK NEW BERN'S READY FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THE KESSLER HOTEL IN ASHE, WHEREAS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW, BUT, UM, JUST REOPENING. 
          OH, DID THEY? OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THEY DO VALET PARKING, LIKE IN EMPTY BANK PARKING LOTS AND IN THE, IN THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU, UH, JUST EVERY, ANY PLACE YOU CAN FIND A PARKING SPACE, KESSLER HAS USED THOSE SPACES FOR THEIR VALET. 
          I'M THAT THEY HAVE ARRANGEMENTS WITH THE BANKS. 
          OH, I'M SURE THEY DO. 
          BUT IT'S SORT OF LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DRIVE UP, YOU KNOW, TO THE THING AND YOU DO THE TELLER IN YOUR CAR RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE USING THOSE SPACES. 
          IT'S JUST THEY HAVE FOUND ALL THOSE SPACES. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO, THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT CLIENTELE, BUT SOMEONE PULLS UP TO, YOU DON'T BRING YOUR SUITCASE FOR DINNER. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          TRUE. 
          IT'S A HOTEL VERSUS, YEAH. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          FOSTER, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE WE WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING NOTES OF EVERYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          SAYING IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING. 
          SO THIS IS JUST NOTES WE'RE GONNA GIVE TO FOSTER, I GUESS AT THIS POINT. 
          AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR TEAM PUT A DESIGN TOGETHER OF WHAT YOU THINK WOULD WORK AS FAR AS, YES, AND I WILL TELL YOU, WATER ELECTRIC, ALL I WILL TELL YOU, I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT, THAT I'VE GOT IS, UH, TAKING 
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UP OVER HALF OF THE SPACE FOR, WHILE IT'S NOT GREEN SPACE, BUT IT IS GREEN SPACE, IT'S PASSIVE SPACE, UH, FOR THIS. 
          AND WHILE IT, WHILE IT'S NICE, I THINK WE, WE WILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          I DON'T, WE WE CONSTANTLY LOOK AT REDUCING PARKS IN THE CITY AND, AND, UM, SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE A LOT OF PARKS IN OUR DOWNTOWN AS WELL. 
          AND SO THAT WILL JUST BE A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE  WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE AMENABLE TO. 
          I, I'M GONNA ABSORB THIS AND, AND I DON'T WANNA GET WITH STAFF. 
          WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT AND, UH, YEAH, WE, WE'LL DEFINITELY COME BACK AND, AND HAVE SOME COPY. 
          JUST KEEP IN MIND, I MEAN, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE EITHER, LIKE BACK OVER THERE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT ANY OF THESE OTHER, OTHER LANDOWNERS COULD RESTRICT ACCESS AND GET TIME. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO HG ON P-R-L-L-L-C PUT UP PLANTERS AND JUST BLOCK TRACK. 
          SO I, I WOULD'VE TO SAY THAT THAT SOUNDS LIKE, AND WE'VE HEARD THAT STATEMENT A LOT, BUT IF WE, IF WE WERE GONNA PUT PARKING BEHIND THE PROPERTY THAT WE OWN ON OUR OWN PROPERTY, WE HAD TO PERMIT IT AND WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO ALLOW FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO HAVE TRANSPORTATION OR OPPORTUNITY CROSS THAT. 
          SO AS, AS, UH, I HEARD BOBBY SAY THAT THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE BACK. 
          A LADDER TRUCK HAS TO, SO NO ONE'S GONNA BLOCK TRAFFIC TO THE, THE BACK. 
          MORGAN IS NOT GONNA BLOCK TRAFFIC TO THE BACK BECAUSE EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE. 
          SO, SO IT'S, IT'S A NICE THING TO TALK ABOUT. 
          SO WHAT IFS BUT IT'S NOT LOGICAL TO THINK THAT ANYONE'S GONNA GONNA PUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BLOCK A ALASKA. 
          IT DID HAPPEN RUNTIME. 
          IT DID, IT DID ACTUALLY IT DID. 
          . 
          THEY WITNESS, BUT IT DID RIGHT. 
          CINDER BLOCKS UP SO NOBODY CAN GO BACK. 
          SO THE IDEA, THE IDEA IS THAT THE CITY IS, IS AWARE OF THE NEED FOR, FOR A CIRCULATION OF TRAFFIC IN THE BACK THERE. 
          AND ANYTIME ANYONE'S GOING TO DO ANYTHING PERMANENT TO CHANGE THAT, YOU HAVE TO PERMIT IT WITH THE CITY. 
          AND THE CITY'S GONNA SAY YOU NEED TO HAVE A 17 FEET REQUIRED FOR A, FOR A LADDER TRUCK OR A, AN AMBULANCE TO GET BACK THERE. 
          SO, SO YES, IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, BUT THE CIRCULATION OF TRAFFIC NEEDS TO OCCUR JUST FOR SAFETY. 
          IS AN 18 WHEEL TRUCK GONNA BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE BACK THERE? I DUNNO. 
          IS IS, UH, BUT UH, WE HAVE HAD MINOR TRUCKS BACK THERE BEFORE AS A RESTAURANT HAD A FIRE. 
          IT HAS TO HAPPEN AND IT WILL. 
          SO NO ONE'S GONNA BLOCK IT. 
          YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS JIM. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER MSD PROJECT PROPOSALS? MOVING ON TO THE NEXT THING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS. 
          SO, SO THE ONLY THING WE GOT, UM, WE DID HAVE A REQUEST FOR THE, UM, BROAD STREET PARKING FOR FISHING HERE. 
          WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT. 
          UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY WORKING, UH, ON A RESOLUTION FOR THOSE RESTROOMS IN THE AREA. 
          WE DID HAVE SOME REQUESTS FOR THE MSD ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THE, AT THE SOCIAL DISTRICT. 
          SO I WANT TO, I WANT TO JUST TELL YOU THIS, THAT THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF THE MSD COMMITTEE. 
          IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN, UM, SEEING THE SOCIAL DISTRICT, THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE ACTION THAT THE GUARDIAN BOARD WOULD TAKE. 
          AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS SPEAK, SPEAK WITH YOUR DERMAN. 
          UH, I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT THE PROCESS OF THAT AS WELL, IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN THAT. 
          AND THAT'S ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THIS IS THE PORTION OF OUR MEETING WHERE WE HAVE, UH, WE ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT AND I HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT I DO HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I'D LIKE TO CALL MR. PAUL JOHNSON FORWARD TO MAKE THIS PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          PAUL, ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'M GOING TO RECORD THE TIME ELEMENT, OKAY? UH, BUT I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR WHERE YOU ARE. 
          AND, UM, MY LITTLE COMMENT IS THE HISTORY AND ARCHIVE. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA GO BACK 1964, DUBIN HIGH SCHOOL AND ANNUAL, NOT WHAT WE DID, BUT THE BUSINESSES IN THE BACK, AND I'LL GET TO THOSE IN A FEW, FEW MINUTES. 
          BUT THE BIG THING FOR 1964 WHEN NEW BERN WAS INTERNATIONAL, WAS THE VIETNAM WAR STARTED ESCALATING. 
          AND IN 1964, IN THE SMALL COMMUNITIES, INCLUDING NEW BERN WAS THE EXIT FROM THE DOWNTOWN TO THE SUBURBS. 
          OUR HOSPITAL MOVED, MONTGOMERY WARD MOVED, AND THE MALL WAS BEING BUILT. 
          WE WENT THROUGH THIS, THIS WAS, EVERYBODY KIND OF WATCHED AND SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON. 
          NO PLANNING. 
          IT JUST HAPPENED. 
          DEALERSHIPS, GARAGES, BIG SMALL BUSINESSES CHANGING INTO THE SEVENTIES STILL, EVERYONE 
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REALIZED SOMETHING WAS GOING ON, NOT ONLY IN NEW BERN, BUT EVERYWHERE ELSE. 
          AND THEY CAME UP WITH THE URBAN RENEWAL PROGRAM AND FEDERAL UAD GRANTS. 
          THIS IS WHERE YOU COULD GO INTO A, A COMMUNITY, GET FEDERAL MONEY TO REPAIR, RESTORE, OR DO WHATEVER. 
          BUT AGAIN, NO ONE HAD GUIDELINES. 
          THE CITY OF NEW VERN SET UP A URBAN RENEWAL PROGRAM, STARTED AT, UH, UH, DOWN MIDDLE STREET, CRAVEN STREET, THE THE INDUSTRIAL AREA IN THERE. 
          STARTED CLEANING IT UP, STARTED WORKING ON IT. 
          STILL. 
          WE HAD NO YACHTING PLANT . 
          OKAY, SO THIS IS A BEFORE, BUT REMEMBER NEWBURN WAS GROWING. 
          WE HAD WAREHOUSER TO COME IN. 
          WE HAD , WE HAD THE NEW INDUSTRIAL PARK WHERE STANLEY TOOL WAS, AND THEN BOSCH BOUGHT INTO STANLEY. 
          SO WE HAD INDUSTRY, WE HAD NEW PEOPLE, WE HAD TREASURE COVE, WHICH IS FAIRFIELD HARBOR. 
          AND THEN WE HAD RIVER BEND AGAIN, NO SET GUIDELINES WHERE WE'RE GOING. 
          AND AN EXAMPLE OF THIS IS WE HAD THE COMMITTEE OF 100 GOT A CALL, SAID, PAUL, I WANT YOU TO, THIS IS ONE OF MY STORIES, I WANT YOU TO TAKE THIS GROUP OUT. 
          WE'VE GOT THIS COMPANY CALLED INE. 
          THEY MAKE, UH, PLUMBING FITTINGS AND WANT YOU TO TAKE 'EM BOAT RIDING. 
          THIS IS THEIR THIRD TRIP. 
          SHOWTIME, TAKE 'EM OUT. 
          WE ARE GOING TO FINALIZE, WE'VE GOT A COMPANY COMING. 
          SET IT UP, MEET ME, MET 'EM ON THE BOAT, TOOK 'EM DOWN. 
          THE, THESE THREE MEN ARE TALKING. 
          GO BY THE TRUMP PINES. 
          GO BACK JUST THROUGH THE, ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BRIDGE. 
          WE GO THROUGH THE, UH, RAILROAD BRIDGE. 
          THEY GET A CHUCKLE OVER THAT. 
          GET TO THE HOLIDAY INN WHERE THEY WERE STAYING. 
          AND THESE THREE MEN LEFT WENT DOWN ON THE BACK OF THE BOAT AND THERE WAS A CONVERSATION THAT I CAN TELL YOU WAS, I WAS NOT INVITED. 
          THEY DID A WHOLE LOT OF TALKING, A LOT GOING ON. 
          CAME BACK THROUGH THE BRIDGE, THEY CAME BACK UP APOLOGIZING ON THE CA. 
          WHAT WE JUST DID. 
          THIS IS OUR THIRD. 
          THIS IS THIS MAN TELLING ME THIS IS OUR THIRD TRIP TO, UH, NEW. 
          WE STAYED AT THE DAYS INN ON BROAD STREET THERE. 
          TELL WE STAYED AT THE HOLIDAY INN TWICE. 
          WE'VE BEEN, YOU ARE DOWNTOWN AND WE HAVE BEEN BACK TO THE PARK. 
          I HAVE A LETTER IN MY POCKET THAT'S THANKING NEWBURN FOR THEIR TIME, THEIR EFFORT, EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND WE HAVE DECIDED WE ARE GOING TO THE INDUSTRIAL PARK SOUTH OF WILMINGTON. 
          WE ARE NOT COMING TO NEWBURN, BUT THANK YOU. 
          WHAT YOU JUST HEARD DOWN BELOW IS WE'RE GOING TO SEND THAT LETTER TO WILMINGTON AND WE'RE MOVE INTO NEWBURN. 
          THAT DECISION WAS JUST MADE ON STERN BOAT. 
          THEY DID, UH, OUR DOWNTOWN LOOKED LIKE BEIRUT. 
          THERE WAS BUSINESSES BOARDED UP. 
          BOARDED UP, NO GOALS, BUT THEY CAME TO NEWBURY. 
          THAT'S BEFORE THE AFTER. 
          WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THE LATE EIGHTIES, EARLY NINETIES. 
          WE'VE GOT THE URBAN RENEWAL PROGRAM, WE'VE GOT THE HOTEL, WE'VE GOT SWISS BEAR AND WE'VE GOT THE MSD PRODUCT. 
          ALL OF THESE LONG TERM HAVE BEEN DONE. 
          BOSCH COMES TO NEWBURG. 
          THESE ARE JUST, THEY ARE SETTING UP TO GO TO OUR INDUSTRIAL PARK TO DO A WASHER DRYER. 
          AND THIS IS BIG TIME. 
          THERE'S ONE IN TWO IN THE UNITED STATES, ONE IN NEWBURN AND ONE ON THE WEST COAST. 
          AGAIN, SAME THING. 
          THE COMMITTEE, ALL OF THE GROUPS WORKING TOGETHER THAT, UH, BAILEY, PURDUE GETS THE HIGHWAY. 
          EVERYBODY'S GOT EVERYTHING THEY WANT FOR THIS BIG BUSINESS. 
          THE HEAD SHE FROM GERMANY FLIES INTO NEWBURN. 
          HE'S THE ONE THAT SIGNS OFF, SITS AT THE MEETING. 
          HE'S FAMILIAR WITH NEWIN WITH THE TOOLS. 
          HE'S LOOKING AT THE PLANS FOR THIS. 
          AND HE SAID, LET'S BREAK FOR LUNCH AND I WANT YOU TO TAKE ME DOWNTOWN. 
          WE'LL MEET BACK AND THIS IS EVERYBODY GO DO WHAT THEY, HE GOES DOWNTOWN TO NEW LUNCHTIME. 
          NO PLACE TO PARK COURTS, LET OUT. 
          PEOPLE ARE ON THE STREET. 
          AND HIS ANSWER WAS, THE DOWNTOWN IS THE 
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HEARTBEAT OF A COMMUNITY. 
          WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT IT IS. 
          IT WAS NOT BOARDED UP A LOT OF ACTIVITY. 
          THAT PLANT IS HERE. 
          THAT WAS THE FINAL DECISION. 
          WHAT WE DO WORKS AND IT'S WORKED FOR 16 YEARS. 
          WE'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY. 
          WE HAVE FOURTH GENERATIONS. 
          WE HAVE PEOPLE WANTING TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          THEY COME HERE, THEY RETIRE, THEY COME HERE, START SMALL BUSINESSES. 
          WE ARE IMPORTANT, BUT THEN I'LL MAKE YOU SMILE. 
          WHY, WHY DO WE HAVE AN M MS D WHEN WE FIRST SET UP SWISS BAY, ALL THE DIFFERENT GROUPS, THE CITY OF NEWBURG ALWAYS ON BOARD. 
          THAT WAS THAT FAMOUS QUESTION. 
          HOW YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT? YOU WANT TO DO STREETS, DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS? YOU WANT UNDERGROUND WINE? WE SET UP THE MSD WHERE WE HAD A, WHEN YOU HAROLD CALKIN PUT THIS TOGETHER FOR IT, THEN IT'S THAT GREAT. 
          LIFE AIN'T FAIR. 
          WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY AND NEED MONEY, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF MONEY AND YOU WANT TO BORROW MONEY, IT'S SIT IN MY OFFICE AND I'LL GET YOU A SOFT DRINK. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. 
          WE HAD, WE COULD GO TO THE CITY, WE COULD GO TO THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT OFFERED GRANTS TO ELECTRIC CITY GROUP. 
          ALL OF THESE, WE WANT TO PUT UNDERGROUND WIRING. 
          WE WANT TO PUT PAVERS IN OUR STREET. 
          WE WANT TO DO THIS AND WE WANT GRANT MONEY, WE WANT LOANS. 
          HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY IT BACK? WE'VE GOT THIS AND THAT. 
          WE CAN START PAYMENTS FOR NOW. 
          SO WE MADE LONG-TERM COMMITMENTS WITH MONEY, WITH SUPPORT OF EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY AND IT WORKS. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAVE EMSC. 
          IT IS, IT IS A LONG TERM. 
          NEW IS STILL ON TO GROW. 
          THIS PEPSI MUSEUM IS BIG BUSINESS. 
          IT'S GOING TO DRAW TENTACLES OR SMALLER BUSINESSES AND WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          AND WE HAVE THE FUNDS STILL SO MUCH FOR MY HISTORY AND ALL. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT. 
          OH, LEMME FINISH  MORE, 30 SECONDS. 
          I'LL BE QUIET. 
          1964 AND THIS IS THE HIGH SCHOOL ANNUAL AND THIS IS, THERE'S 56 PEOPLE WHO BUY ED AND THEY'RE ALL FUN AND ALL THIS. 
          IN THE LAST 60 YEARS, WE'VE STILL GOT LONGEST OF LIFE. 
          COCA-COLA, PEPSI COLA, SUN DRUM, ARMSTRONG, GROCERIES, AND THIS LITTLE STAR RIGHT HERE, RE BINGO FEMALE HUNG SINCE 1910. 
          WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. 
           GOT BACK TO BENNY. 
          HE SALUTE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, YOU'VE DONE OKAY. 
          AND, BUT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE CLE ARE SMALLER. 
          THE BUSINESS THAT THEY HERE, THE COUPLE PAGES IS ANNUAL, WAS COLEMAN LOADED? WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF THE FAMILY, A LOT OF THE, UH, PHILANTHROPY AND A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WORK. 
          JOSH MACHINE COMPANY, IT'S STILL HERE, BUT IN A DIFFERENT NAME. 
          A LOT OF, UM, CONDOMINIUM AM AND BUSINESS. 
          AND IT ALL WORKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU PAUL. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE YOU COME IN ANYTIME. 
          BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER MEMBER COMMENTS. 
          UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS AUGUST 19TH. 
          WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE THAT. 
          IF FOSTER NEEDS US WITH ANY OF THESE DESIGNS OR WHATEVER, WE WILL BE IN TOUCH. 
          SO THE THINGS WE SAID WE ALL AGREE ON TO YEAH. 
          BASICALLY IT'LL GO BACK TO HIM. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WE'VE GIVEN HIM DIRECTION TO DO THAT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO FORMALLY THAT ON ANYTHING. 
          NO, BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY JUST AN ADVISORY. 
          SO UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, IT'S GONNA SHOW, I THINK OUR MINUTES, OUR MINUTES WILL SHOW THAT WE WERE WE DIRECTION THE LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR IS OCTOBER, UH, 21ST. 
          IS THAT LAST DAY ONE WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE CHANGING THAT TIME OR DATE SO THAT, SO THAT IT DIDN'T A BUSINESS DAY, MAYBE A FRIDAY. 
          IS THAT OPPORTUNITY? UH, IT'S IN THE MINUTES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I, I'VE HAD, UM, FEEDBACK FROM EVERYBODY. 
          WELL, I, I, MOST PEOPLE I'VE HAD FEEDBACK FROM THAT. 
          EVERYBODY DOES LIKE EITHER THE 
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MIDDAY OR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT TOO EARLY. 
          THEY HAVE ON A SEVEN 30 OR EIGHT O'CLOCK MEETING. 
          SO SOMEWHERE IN THAT. 
          BUT THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE A TUESDAY. 
          TUESDAY IS ONE OF THOSE FRIDAY MEETINGS. 
          A FRIDAY A BETTER DAY WORK FRIDAY THE 24TH WHEN EVERYBODY CONSIDER FRIDAY. 
          I, I WON'T BE HERE THE 29TH. 
          LISA IS GETTING MARRIED, SO THEY'RE LEAVING TOWN THAT WEEK. 
          NOT PROBABLY ON WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SAVANNAH, I MEAN WE COULD LOOK AT THE WEEK BEFORE 17TH SOMETHING 17TH. 
          OCTOBER 17TH THAT WEEK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS THAT. 
          WE WILL DO, WE'LL COME BACK IN AUGUST WITH SOME, SOME ALTERNATIVE DATES AND TIMES, WHATEVER TO SEE UM, WHAT WE CAN DO. 
          BUT, SO WE'RE HERE FOR A POTENTIAL FRIDAY TO THE LAST MEETING SCHEDULED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE, WE WILL COME UP WITH SOME DATES WITH THE CHAMBER AND WE'LL HAVE THAT MAYBE, IS THE AUGUST 19TH ONE A PROBLEM? THAT'S A TUESDAY. 
          I'VE ALREADY CHANGED MY SCHEDULE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL HAVE SOME ALTERNATIVES FOR THE GROUP TO CONSIDER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NO OTHER COMMENTS OR ANYTHING. 
          I NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN, PLEASE. 
          OKAY, JOHNNY. 
          AND SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          MICHAEL LEE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL IN FAVOR ALL THANK YOU ALL. 
          APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S EXTRA TODAY. 
          THANK YOU.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.