* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. MADAM CHAIR. IT IS [00:00:01] SIX O'CLOCK. ALRIGHT, WELL [1. Call to order and welcome] WITH THAT I'LL CALL TO ORDER THIS SPECIAL CALL MEETING OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY FOR TAKING TIME AND YOUR SCHEDULE FOR COMING TONIGHT FOR THIS MEETING. 'CAUSE WE HAVE SOME REPORTS AND STUFF THAT WE NEED TO GET BEFORE THE DER WE NEED TO GET, UM, UH, DECISIONS RESOLUTIONS MADE. SO I REALLY APPRECIATED, AND I KNOW THIS, WE'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO STICK ON THE AGENDA. UM, BEFORE WE APPROVE THE AGENDA, I DO JUST WANT TO SAY TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE YOU BEING ON THE COMMISSION AND THE WORK YOU DO BECAUSE IT'S A LOT AND IT'S A LOT TO REARRANGE YOUR SCHEDULE AT THE LAST MINUTE. AND SO I, I DO APPRECIATE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU IS VALUABLE ON THIS COMMISSION. THAT'S A GOOD FILE. SO WITH THAT, WOULD YOU GIVE US A ROLL CALL? ABSOLUTELY. SHARON C BRIAN PRESENT. JIMMY DILLA HUNT. SARAH PROCTOR. ER, MORGAN JUNIOR. I AM HERE. STEVE STRICKLAND? HERE. JULIUS PARHAM? HERE. KI PARAGO. HERE. BETH WALKER. HERE. ARI WALLACE? HERE. RICK PRI. BARBARA BEST? HAZEL ROYAL MADAM CHAIR. WE HAVE A QUORUM. YAY. OKAY. WELL, [4. Consider Approving the Agenda] UM, WE FIRST THINGS, FIRST ORDER BUSINESS IS TO CONSIDER APPROVING OUR AGENDA. AND I KNOW THAT WE RECEIVED THAT, UM, FROM Z SO HAS ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? IF NOT, I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE. MAKE A MOTION TO SEAL FROM SAY OKAY. THE AGENDA. SO IT'S THE AGENDA, BUT, OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. OKAY. [7.a. Consider adopting a resolution to initiate the upset bid process for 1037 Main St] THE BUSINESS OF THE EVENING IS, THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESS FOR 10 37 MAIN STREET. AND I WAS ABLE TO WATCH THE MEETING THAT WAS HELD. UM, BUT HE DID NOT HAVE A FORUM. AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS MR. FREEMAN CORRECT. WHO WAS WANTING TO BUY THAT. UM, HE DID A NICE JOB OF TELLING THE COMMISSION WHAT HE PLANNED TO USE IT FOR, JUST TO ENLARGE HIS PROPERTY. AND I THINK HE MENTIONED THAT HE'S BEEN TAKING CARE OF THAT PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME. YEAH. SO, UM, SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS THE RESOLUTION TO GO AHEAD AND INITIATE THAT UPSET BID PROCESS AND ALSO IN YOUR PACKET. UM, IT IS IN MINE AS PAGE FOUR FOR EXHIBIT A. THERE ARE THE CONDITIONS, UH, FOR THAT UPSIDE DUE PROCESS, WHICH ARE, ARE NOT NOTHING NEW, YOU KNOW, NO JUNK VEHICLES. UM, THAT IT WILL MEET THE COVENANTS OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. AND THE LAST ONE IS NO STRUCTURAL WILL BE ERECTED, PLACED OR PERMITTED TO REMAIN ON THE REAL PROPERTY DESCRIBED HEREIN. YEAH. THAT, THAT COULD BECOME A PROBLEM. 'CAUSE HE MENTIONED AT THE MEETING AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THAT THE NEXT LOT OVER FOR WHAT HE IS WANTING TO BUY FROM US IS OWNED BY NEWFORD AND CRAVEN COUNTY VACANT LOT. AND THEN NEXT ONE OVER FROM THAT IS ALSO OWNED. SO HE, AND HE MAKES IT, HE POSSIBLY COULD BUY IT ALL THE WAY. SO THE, THE, AND YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD CREATE A REALLY NICE BUILDING LOT THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT STRUCTURE. I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING HE COULD COME BACK AND HAVE US REMOVE FROM THAT IS SOMETHING HE COULD COME BACK AND HAVE YOU REMOVE. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. IS IT IN THE BLOCK BUILDING? GONE. IT'S GONE. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. WELL THAT'S A GOOD POINT. BUT AT AT, LIKE YOU SAID, HE COULD COME BACK AND HAVE IT REMOVED. CORRECT. WAS ABLE TO PURCHASE THE OTHER TWO. IF HE IS ABLE TO COMBINE ALL, ALL OF THOSE LOTS AND HE DESIRES TO BUILD, I'VE TALKED TO MR. FREEMAN SEVERAL TIMES, HE HAS NO DESIRE TO BUILD, BUT SHOULD HIS DESCENDANTS OR HIS CHILDREN WANT TO BUILD OR WHATEVER, UH, THEY COULD ALWAYS COME BACK AND AND REQUEST THAT WITH A PLAN AND SO THAT THE COMMISSION CAN VET THAT AT THAT TIME. THAT'S GOOD. SO IT'S JUST SORT OF AN INTERNAL CONTROL THAT SAYS UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE CHANGE, THE PLAN CHANGES, THERE'S GONNA BE NO BUILDINGS ERECTED THERE. OKAY. UM, JUST QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK? WERE WE AWARE OF THOSE NEIGHBORING LOTS BEING CITY OWNED BEFORE THIS EXERCISE CAME [00:05:01] UP? I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING AGO. I MEAN, SO I A COPY OF THAT. YEAH. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS ARE WE USE FOR US TO, HOW DID WE MISS THAT A LONG TIME AGO? WE WERE TRYING TO STRING LOCKS TOGETHER TO BUILD THE MEGAPLEX. REMEMBER HOW DID WE MISS THAT? THAT WE HAD A LOT LIKE THAT RIGHT NEXT TO SOME THINGS WE COULD ACQUIRE IN THE FUTURE. WELL COULD, COULD, THEY'RE OWNED BY THE COUNTY AND THE CITY TOGETHER AND THEY'RE NOT ON THE, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT EXERCISE OF HAVING THEM DEED IT TO US AGAIN. AND THAT WAS HARD. AND YEAH, THAT WAS A HARD PROCESS. IT WAS A HARD OKAY. GO. AND, AND THE 10 LOTS THAT WE DID GET FROM THEM, YOU KNOW, GAVE US AN UPDATE TWO MEETINGS AGO. I THINK THE STATUS AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK ON THEM, BUT UNTIL WE CAN SHOW THAT WE CAN GET THOSE PROPERTIES INTO THE PROPER HANDS AND UTILIZED PLUS THEY'RE ALSO IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. I THAT MIGHT BE STOPPED IT THEN. OKAY. THERE IT IS. THAT'S WHAT STOPPED IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. HAVE TO SAY THIS ON THIS ONE. YOU DO. YOU HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. SO WHILE CAN, WHILE WE'RE ON THIS SUBJECT BACK FOR FUTURE REFERENCE OKAY. UM, 'CAUSE WE HAD A, UH, DEVELOPER ASK ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT REMEMBER WE WAS ON THE PHONE AND THEY'RE BUILDING A PARKING UNDERNEATH THE . YEP. SO THERE IS SOME INTEREST IN FLOOD PLAIN PROPERTIES WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THEY GOTTA START AT, AT 10.5, WHATEVER THE KIT FOOTAGE IS, 11 FOOT, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU GOTTA START LEFT FOOT. BUT THEY'RE DOING THAT WITH PARKING UNDERNEATH. THEY'RE DOING THAT IN OTHER CITIES AS WELL. YES. SO THAT'S A THING. NOW THEY DO THAT AT THE BEACH. AT THE BEACH. YEP. SO, UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT TOTALLY UNBILLABLE RIGHT. JUST MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT AND MORE COST GO DOWN, GO DOWN CRAVEN STREET TO SEE IT ALL. THEY'RE ALL UP JUST STREET, ALL STREET PAST MAIL. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO ASK, WELL ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR WHAT CAN I GET A MOTION TO, UM, INITIATE THE PROCESS FOR THAT? SO VOTE SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE HAVE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSION SO I'M GONNA ASK ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. A AYE. AND ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES AND WE'LL ASK FOR THAT PROCESS TO BE INITIATED. YES MA'AM. UM, [7.b. Consider adopting a resolution to initiate the upset bid process for 821 West St] WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE NOW AND THAT IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE THE UPSETTING PROCESS FOR 8 21 WEST STREET. AND WE HAVE THE INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET. YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO THIS SURE PERSON. I, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE TO US. BUT, UM, I DID NOT, HE DID NOT COME TO THE MEETING LAST IN MAY, DID HE? NO, HE DID NOT. OKAY. UM, UH, MR. AENA, UH, LI IS A RESIDENT, IS A CURRENT RESIDENT OF FLO, OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA. UH, HE WORKS REMOTELY, UH, IN NEW BERN, CURRENTLY IN, UH, WELL IN NORTH CAROLINA CURRENTLY AND DESIRES TO MOVE HERE. UH, HE'S FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE FLOODPLAIN SITUATION, OBVIOUSLY LIVING, UH, ON THE COAST OF, UH, FLORIDA. HE'S BUILT A HOME IN FLORIDA, UH, THAT HE INTENDS, UH, TO LEVERAGE, UH, IN ORDER TO BUILD A HOME HERE. UH, HE DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN YET, BUT HE DOES INTEND TO BUILD A HOME WHERE HE WILL RESIDE, UH, AT THIS, UH, AT 8 21 WEST STREET. UM, UH, WITH, AND HE INTENDS TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION WITHIN A YEAR. OKAY. I THINK YOU HAD HAD DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE I SEE THAT WE ALSO HAVE EXHIBIT A ATTACHED WITH THIS, UM, RESOLUTION TO INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESS AND IT, IT CALLS FOR THE COVENANTS SHALL BE ADMINISTERED SOLELY BY THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. THAT IT WOULD BE A CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT AND IT WOULD START CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 12 MONTHS. UM, THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT WOULD BE OWNER OCCUPIED AND THE USUAL NO MOTOR VEHICLE THAT'S JUMPED OR PARTIALLY WRECK WOULD BE ON, STORED ON THE SITE. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE NOT MORE THAN ONE UNATTACHED ACCESSORY BUILDING LOCATED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THAT'S CORRECT MA'AM. SO, UM, THERE WAS ONE OUT OF ORDER TO HAVE DISCUSSION FIRST OR DO WE NEED TO DO THAT AFTER A MOTION? WE DON'T HAVE AN ATTORNEY HERE. SO , YOU CAN, IF THERE IS DISCUSSION, YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSION, BUT YOU CAN MOTION AS WELL IF YOU'RE READY FOR ONE. YEAH. OKAY. WELL I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY WAS [00:10:01] PROBABLY, UM, FAMILIAR WITH THIS FROM OUR LAST PACKET. SO IT IS ALSO THE ONE WE LOOKED AT, UH, IN THAT CONTRACT GOING WITH, UH, THE OTHER GENTLEMAN THAT BOUGHT PROPERTY, UH, DOWN, UH, STREET BRIAN STREET BRIAN STREET. THIS WAS ONE OF THE TWO THAT HE HAD AND HAD THE SAME CONDITIONS ON IT. AND THE OTHER GOOD THING IS THAT'S THE TAX VALUE OF $8,500. SO WE'LL BE GETTING A MINIMUM OF 63 75 FOR IT. YEP. THAT'S A BETTER LIFE MOST IMPORTANT THING WILL GET A HOUSE. YEAH. YES. AND I LOVE THAT IT WOULD BE UNOCCUPIED. SO I SEE COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND THAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION. SO HE DOES NOT YET HAVE A PLAN OF WHAT HE INTENDS TO BUILD HERE. NO, HE HE DOES NOT, BUT HE DID INDICATE THAT HIS, HIS PLAN IS TO BUILD A HOUSE THAT IS CONDUCIVE TO THE UH, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THOSE WERE HIS WORDS. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T ASK HIM THAT. UM, THAT THAT WAS, THOSE WERE HIS WORDS. ALRIGHT, SO JUST THINKING ON THE SLIPPERY SLOPE, WE HAVE TURNED FOLKS AWAY BECAUSE WE DID NOT FEEL AS THOUGH THEIR DESIGNED, MET, FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. WELL WE HAVE, SO IF WE ARE TO TAKE HIM AT HIS WORD THAT THE INTENT IS TO FIT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT WILL OUR ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM BE? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE, THE LANGUAGES THERE AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN. I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO GET GET IT SOLD AND GET SOMEBODY BUILDING WITH SOMEBODY IN IT. BUT IN THAT SAME VEIN, I WANNA BE FAIR TO THE GENTLEMAN WE TURNED AWAY BECAUSE HIS DESIGN DIDN'T MEET WHAT WE FELT WOULD BE ADEQUATE. RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, HE'LL BUY IT THEN SAY HE GONNA FEEL SOMETHING FOR A FAMILY. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE THE LAST GUY WE TURNED DOWN, HE WAS GONNA PUT A SHOTGUN HOUSE FACING THE OTHER HOUSE BUT NOT FACING THE STREET. SO WE TURNED IT DOWN BASICALLY IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GONNA BE A TRAILER, BUT RIGHT, RIGHT. JUST HAD A FOUNDATION. YEAH. SO WELL THE FIRST CRITERIA IS THESE COVENANTS SHOULD BE ADMINISTERED SOLELY BY THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. IS THERE ANY KIND OF LANGUAGE TO ADD THAT, THAT THE HOUSE SHOULD FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD? MEAN WE'RE NOT THE HISTORIC. YEAH. THAT'S, WE DON'T HAVE. YEAH. AND, AND I I GUESS FROM, FROM A AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, EVEN ANY KIND OF ENFORCEMENT FROM NUISANCE ABATEMENT TO MINIMUM HOUSING THERE, THERE'S NO REAL THERE, THERE'S NO REAL LEGAL WAY TO, TO SAY WHAT SOMEONE CAN BUILD ON THEIR PROPERTY ONCE IT'S THEIR PROPERTY. UM, BUT I HAVEN'T CUT THE SHORT. I DON'T WANT YOU TO GO ALONG CONVERSATION. NOPE. YOU'RE, BUT WE SELLING PROPERTY AND TELLING PEOPLE THIS IS OUR DREAM. CAN YOU BUILD IT? CAN YOU BUILD THIS? MM-HMM . SO POSSIBLE WE SELL . HE HAD TO BUILD THIS, I MEAN WE ARE DOING IT WITH, WITH DEWIT RIGHT? WE WITH A CONTRACTOR SAY, CAN YOU BUILD DUPLEX? HE SAID YEAH, THEN HE BOUGHT A PROPERTY. MM-HMM . CAN WE DO THE SAME THING WITH THIS GUY? YOU WANT BUY, BUT YOU HAVE TO BUY A HOUSE WITH THIS KIND OF SPECS. WASN'T THERE SOME KIND OF WORDING IN THE CNI PLAN THAT HIT TO IT WITHOUT TRYING TO MANDATE IT? BUT THAT WAS THE WHOLE PRECEDENCE OF UH, SUBMITTING THE PLAN FIRST. SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE PLAN LIKE WE DID WHEN THE THING WAS TOO NARROW. REMEMBER THE NARROW CORRIDOR? WE WERE LIKE, AH, THAT DON'T LOOK RIGHT. SEE THIS IS WHERE WE'RE RIGHT BACK TO THAT. AND THEN THERE WAS CERTAIN COVENANTS THAT DID FIT WHAT THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKED LIKE OR WHAT WE WANTED THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE. SO THAT WAS EARLY IN THE UH, CNI PLAN. SO IN THIS CASE, WE NEED TO HOLD OFF OF THIS TILL THIS GUY GIVES US A PLAN AND WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. YEAH. WE'RE NOT SAYING NO, WE'RE JUST SAYING CAN YOU SHOW US PLAN, SHOW US PLAN. 'CAUSE BECAUSE WE, THAT SAVED US THE LAST TIME WITH THAT NARROW ONE, REMEMBER? AND THEN DIDN'T AND THE PRECEDENT OF THE OTHER HOUSE THAT WE APPROVED WHEN, UH, OUR GENTLEMAN THAT'S IN THE PUBLIC TONIGHT, PHIL BROUGHT THAT WITH, WITH ANOTHER PERSON AND HE BOUGHT IT. CANNOT REMEMBER THAT MAN'S NAME. SUSTAINED. CONSISTENT. SO BOTTOM LINE IS ONCE THEY OWN THE PROPERTY, THEY CAN BASICALLY DO WHAT THEY WANT TO WITH IT. BOTTOM LINE. IF WE DON'T HAVE NOTHING IN RIGHT. IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS, SO WE CAN'T ENFORCE, ENFORCE THOSE TYPES OF COVENANTS. YES. THIS BODY CAN ENFORCE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. OKAY. I WOULD, I WOULD GO BACK AND DO IT LIKE WE DID EVERYBODY ELSE. LET ME SEE YOUR PLANS. YEAH. IF THE PLAN SUIT OUR DREAM, YOU CAN BUY THE PROBLEM. SO I HEAR THAT WE JUST WANT TO TABLE IT. IT IS NOT LIKE WE'RE SAYING IT'S BIG. DON'T KNOW. WE JUST WANNA SEE WHAT YOU WANT, RIGHT? YEAH. IS THAT, IS THAT THE GENERAL YES. I I A QUICK COMMENT. EXCUSE ME FOR BEING [00:15:01] LATE. FIRST OF ALL, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING HOUSES OR STRUCTURAL, UH, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TOO MUCH TO SAY IF IT'S NOT IN THE CONTENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ARE GETTING PERSONAL AND I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY PERSONAL ISSUES ON ANYBODY'S PROPERTY. THAT SHOULD BE OUR INPUT. THAT'S MY TO CENTS ABOUT THAT. THEIR MONEY, THEY BUYING THE LAND, THEY GOTTA HAVE SOME TYPE OF LEEWAY. SO OF COURSE WE WANT TO END THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT LET'S DON'T GET PERSONAL. THAT IS A GOOD POINT MR. BILL HUNT. BUT, BUT MADAM CHAIRMAN, THIS IS NOT PERSONAL. THIS IS THIS BOARD TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT PROPERTIES, NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ARE IMPROVED. CONSISTENCY. CONSISTENCY. THAT'S ALL WE DO. THIS IS NOT PERSONAL MR. DYLAN. THIS IS NOT PERSONAL AT ALL BECAUSE THIS IS THE PROBLEM. IF WE, WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE AND THIS IS THE PATTERN WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE HERE DON'T DO IT. NOW WE GOT A TRANSPARENCY PROBLEM AND A CONSISTENCY PROBLEM. WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE SAME MODEL FOR A WHILE. CORRECT. FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. SO YOU'VE SEEN THE PLANS, , WE SAW THE PLAN FIRST. NOW WE DON'T TAKE THIS PLAN FIRST. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER THREE WE SENT BACK AND SAID WE NEED A PLAN. THAT'S A PROBLEM Y'ALL. YEAH. THAT WE SERVE THE PUBLIC. SO WE GOTTA STATEMENT THEN IF WE STARTED THIS ALREADY, WE GOTTA STATE. I AGREE. BUT YOU DON'T, THAT IMPEDE YOU DON'T THINK THAT STOPPED THE GROWTH OF SOME OF THE UNDESIRABLE LAWS THAT ARE IN THE CITY OF NEWBURN? TO ME IT WOULD. AND I I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES MYSELF. CONVERSATION. YEAH, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I DON'T WANT DEVELOPMENT. HE'S RIGHT, BUT I MEAN WE GOTTA HAVE IT WITHIN CONTEXT TOO, RIGHT? SO RIGHT. AND, AND I DON'T WANT THE GUY TO COME BACK THAT WE TURNED DOWN SAY THREE TURN, BUT YET YOU BE THIS ONE THOUGH. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT. IF THAT GUY SLIDE SOMETHING IN THERE, IT'S CONSISTENCY. WE GOTTA, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO. WE DON'T CREATE A PROBLEM. SO THE GENERAL CONSENSUS I'M HEARING IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO NOT, UH, INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESS BUT ASK, UM, THIS PERSON TO COME BACK WITH A, A PLAN THAT WE COULD CONSIDER. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S MY GOAL. IF YOU'RE GONNA TABLE IT SINCE THEN'S NOT HERE, YOU HAVE TO, WHEN YOU TABLE SOMETHING, YOU HAVE TO PUT A DATE WHEN IT'S GONNA BE RECONSIDERED. AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN DO THAT WHEN WE'RE REQUESTING SOMETHING FROM SOMEBODY IN FLORIDA. RIGHT. UNTIL AT SUCH TIME. IIII I'M SORRY, I I ASSUMED OUR NEXT MEETING WOULD, WOULD BE THE TARGET. SO IS THAT ENOUGH TIME TO GET THAT DRAWN OFF LEEWAY? YOU KNOW, AS LEEWAY WE COULD SAY JULY, WE COULD SEE IT AS EARLY AS THE NEXT MEETING. WE COULD PUT YOU ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. AND IF YOU NEED TO WAIT UNTIL JULY MM-HMM . THAT'S FINE. YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD HONOR. OKAY. COMMISSIONER PERRY, CAN WE TABLE IT LIKE THAT? IS THAT LEGAL? ARE WE ABLE TO DO IT? YES, IT'S LEGAL. WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. WELL , THANK YOU. THEY THIS NEXT. OKAY. THANK YOU. BECAUSE WE, I I MEAN I GUESS THE KEY IS ANXIOUS TO GET THIS DONE. WE CAN SEE IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT IF IT'S TOO SOON, WE CAN WAIT TILL JULY. YEAH, WELL I MEAN SAID IN THE LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT HE'S UH, GONNA START TO DEAL WITHIN A YEAR. WE EXPECT TO BE LIVING THERE IN TWO YEARS. SO YEAH. MONTHS GONNA RIGHT. IT IT SHOULD, I MEAN YOU CAN GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND BUY HOUSE PLAN BOOKS TILL THEY COME OUT YOUR EARS CHECKOUT LINE AND THEN RIP ONE OUT AND THAT THE MEETINGS YOU ALREADY HAVE PLAN IN PLACE. YEAH. YEAH. TRULY IT GETS PLAN COMPLAINED ON BEING HERE IN YEAR. OKAY. OKAY. [7.c. Consider adopting a resolution to petition the Board of Aldermen to close E Street] SO THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS. SO NO ACTION ON THAT ONE, CORRECT? WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THAT. I'M NOT GONNA ADOPT IT IS TO CONS, IT'S ITEM NUMBER SIX ON THE AGENDA AND IT IS TO CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION TO PETITION THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN TO CLOSE E STREET. AND THAT IS WEST A STREET ONE THE WEST A STREET PROPERTY. THAT'S THAT LITTLE, IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S NOT A ROAD. KIPP WILL PROBABLY, I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER PARAGUAY WILL PROBABLY BE THE BEST TO, TO TALK TO US ABOUT IT IF YOU KNOW THAT INTIMATELY, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. IF YOU REMEMBER ALL THE SURVEY ISSUES WE'VE BEEN HAVING, PART OF IT IS THERE'S A LITTLE TINY TRIANGLE THAT PROB PROBABLY ISN'T OVER THE SIZE OF THIS TABLE WHEN YOU, WHEN THAT'S ACTUALLY WOULD BE USABLE PROPERTY AFTER THE RAILROAD TAKES THEIR 200 [00:20:01] FOOT RIGHT AWAY. UH, UH, AND, AND SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY MINUTE PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE TO ADD TO THE, UH, WEST A STREET TRACK THAT WE HAVE ASSEMBLED THERE. OKAY. THIS IS THE PLATE. IS THIS THE ONE THAT'S GOING ACROSS THE STREET THAT USED TO LEAD INTO RIVERSIDE FROM THE BACK OF DUFFY FIELD? UH, THIS IS BEHIND THE CEMETERY. YEAH, BEHIND THE CEMETERY. OH, THAT ONE BEHIND THE CEMETERY. THE ONE THAT YOU COME AROUND, COME AROUND THE BACK. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD ACTUALLY RECOGNIZE IT AS A ROAD RIGHT NOW. IS IT? NO, IT DON'T LOOK LIKE VACANT LAND. VACANT LAND. YEAH. BUT THE SURVEYORS COME OFF BURN THEN TAKE OFF BURN STREET. YEAH. AND THEN GO AROUND CURB CORNER. MM-HMM . RIGHT BEHIND THE CEMETERY. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT. FROM WHERE THE LITTLE OVER WITH US. LITTLE BIT BACK OVER. I WILL JUST SAY FOR UH, AS A, AS A NOTE FROM STAFF THAT CLOSING THIS SECTION OF E STREET IS NECESSARY TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. IF WE DON'T DO THIS, WE CAN'T GET A SURVEY AND WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WEST A STREET, UH, UH, PROJECT. YEAH. MOVE TO CLOSE. YEAH. WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SURVEY YET. SO MAKE MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD OF HOME AND AND REQUEST TO REQUEST THE CLOSURE OF E STREET TO ABANDON E STREET. I GUESS THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND OVER HERE. HEARD BOTH Y'ALL SAY THE SAME THING. SO, OKAY. CALL A MOTION AND A SECOND. WHO WAS SECOND BETWEEN UH, COMMISSIONER, PARA BOY AND COMMISSIONER? I'M NOT SURE WHO WENT FIRST. HIS WAS MORE PROPER. UM, AND THAT, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA SAY ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AND ALL OPPOSED, MOTION CARRIES AND WE'LL PETITION THE BOARD OF AL THEM IN THE CLOSE . AND I I I AGREE WITH YOU. SO WE NEED TO, THE PRESENTATION NEEDS TO BE THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO DO THIS. YEAH. MOVE FORWARD. [8. Staff Report] UM, ALRIGHT. JUST BEFORE YOU CALL FOR AN ADJOURNMENT, ADAM CHAIR. OH WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA. OH YES YOU DO. DON'T, SORRY. ONE QUICK THOUGHT. WE NEED TO THINK OUR WAY THROUGH FROM THAT BOARD OF AUDITOR PRESENTATION, THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW, THE STORM WATER IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT ACCESS POINT, SOMEONE IS GONNA TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT LOSING THAT AS A POTENTIAL WAY TO PUT A ROAD IN SHOULD ACCESS BE NEEDED BACK TO ALL THAT'S BEING DONE. THE STAFF IS, STAFF IS HAPPY TO CHECK WITH, UH, WITH PUBLIC WORKS , I DON'T, I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD, BUT BUT THAT, THAT WILL GO ACROSS RAILROAD TRACK WAY. YEAH. AND THE STONEWATER STUFF IS OFF TO THE STRAIGHT OUT WEST STREET. BUT THIS YEAH, THE STORMWATER IS THE BACK, THE LOTS IS BACK UP TO WEST EIGHTH STREET AND THEN ACROSS THE ROAD B STREET IS IS WHERE A BIG STORMWATER POND IS AND EVERYTHING. YEAH. IT'S A SKIRT ALONG THE SIDE OF THOSE LOTS IN THAT TRIANGLE ONE. I DON'T THINK IT WILL. I DON'T THINK SO. JUST TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL. THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S I'LL DEFINITELY GIVE GEORGE A CALL. RIGHT. THAT'S SOME MAJOR WORK OVER THERE. YEAH. YEAH. WHERE PHASE 1, 2, 3. WHERE WE AT? FOUR FIVE. I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THEY'RE ROLLING OVER THERE DADDY. SO HE'S DOING A GOOD JOB. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT TWO MANAGER. THAT'S OKAY. SIX THE LAST HUH IS CHAIR THEY WOULDN'T DEALING MADAM CHAIR IS TO CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION FOR AN AMENDED AGREEMENT WITH THE CAROLINA EAST HEALTH SYSTEM AND I WAS ABLE TO WATCH THE LAST MEETING THAT WAS HELD. GOT TO SEE UM, LESLIE ALLEN WHO WAS REPRESENTING CAROLINA EAST AND THAT WAS EXCITING TO SEE THAT THEY, THE BUILDINGS BEING MANUFACTURED, THE LOTS BEING PREPARED AND I BELIEVE THIS WOULD JUST GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE TIME, UM, TO FINISH THAT. SO OUR, I BELIEVE OUR RESOLUTION SAYS UNTIL SEPTEMBER WHEN SHE WAS SPEAKING SHE SAID SHE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE DONE IN JULY. LET'S GIVE UNTIL SEPTEMBER HURRICANE SEASON, ALL THE THINGS. MM-HMM . MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. THAT WAS COMMISSIONER WALLACE DIDN'T RECOGNIZE AND UH, UNLESS THERE'S ANY UH, DISCUSSION I'LL SAY ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE A AYE. ALL OPPOSED. OKAY. THAT MOTION CARRIES AS WELL. AND NOW CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? NO, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UH, YES I, AGAINST BEING LATE, UH, BUT [00:25:01] NOW TWO THINGS I WANT MAKE MENTION OF AND ONE IS THE MEETING WE HAD THAT I THINK I WOULD DISRESPECT AND I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD HAPPEN IN A MEETING. ONE SECOND. MR. DI HUNT. THIS IS A SPECIAL CALL MEETING. OKAY. UNLESS IT'S ON THE AGENDA, WE'RE REALLY NOT ALLOWED TO, UH, TO BRING IT UP. UM, BUT UH, DEFINITELY DURING, DURING THE UH, OKAY. I UNDERSTAND JUST AS A POINT OF ORDER, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT OUR FINDING, READING THIS MISSION STATEMENTS AND I THINK EVERYTHING IS PERTAINING TO OUR MISSION. SO THAT'S THE REASON I DID BRING THAT COURTESY. AND I GONNA ALSO ASK ABOUT THE, UH, I DID READ ABOUT THE UH, AVENUE THAT IN THIS SECTION, NO SIR, BUT OKAY. THAT WASN'T BOTHER. OKAY. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE RESPECTFUL. OKAY. CALL ME THE NOT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. ONE MORE THING. I THINK THE PEOPLE ARE THE FOLKS THAT DOING THE PROJECTS. I MEAN I WOULDN'T GO AND NEW AND PUT A FLAT TOP AND FORGOT ALL THE BUILD UP ROOF. SO I THINK THEY DEFINITELY NEED THE LEEWAY ON WHAT THEY DECIDE TO CHOOSE TO PUT ON THEIR LIFE. NUMBER ONE, ADDING TO THE TAX BASE. AND UH, NUMBER TWO, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DESIRE. AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. AGAIN, WE HAVE TABLED THAT ONE FOR THE NEXT DISCUSSION, SO THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES TO OKAY. TALK ABOUT THAT. I BE ON TIME AND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADJOURN. ALL IN FAVOR THAT A THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.