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TRANSACTION.[1. OPENING OF MEETING WITH ROLL CALL]
FOR COMING.CALL TO ORDER THE JUNE MEETING OF THE HISTORICAL, UH, GROUP PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
AND, UH, RICHARD PARSONS IS ABSENT.
AND OUR NEW MEMBER JOHN SCH MEAD, UH, IS EXCUSED.
UH, WE HAVE NO MINUTES TO PROVE CORRECT.
UM, NO OTHER ITEMS. UH, DO YOU WANT TO SWEAR
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IN SPEAKERS? NOW, I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLK HERE TONIGHT, AND PROBABLY SOME OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UM, AS, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROJECTS, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND TO, UH, SPEAK PRO OR CON ON A GIVEN PROJECT.YOU MUST HAVE NUMBER ONE, RECEIVED A NOTICE OF, OF THE HEARING TO PRESENT EVIDENCE, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE IN A, A PARTICULAR, UH, UH, AREA SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY, OR TWO THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO, UH, UH, JUSTIFY THAT YOU HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT.
IS THAT IT? OR IT? SO IT'S A TWO PRO TEST.
UM, WE PRESUME THAT PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, OR INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF THE PROJECT ARE PRESUMED TO HAVE STANDING.
AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS WILL HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER OR A NOTICE ABOUT TONIGHT'S HEARING.
IN THE EVENT THAT SOMEONE DID NOT RECEIVE A NOTICE BECAUSE THEY LIVE OUTSIDE OF THAT, UH, PER PHYSICAL PARAMETER, IF THEY CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY HAVE SPECIAL DAMAGES, THAT THEIR PROPERTY OR THEIR INTEREST WILL BE MATERIALLY IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT, EITHER POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY, AND THEY CAN ARTICULATE THAT AND OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE CONFIDENT MATERIAL, SUBSTANTIAL INFORMATION, THEN THEY ARE PRESUMED TO HAVE STANDING AND CAN OFFER TESTIMONY DURING THE HEARINGS.
UM, HOWEVER, IF INDIVIDUALS JUST WANT TO MAKE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, THERE IS A SECTION ON THE AGENDA FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY NOT HAVE STANDING TO OFFER TESTIMONY DURING THE HEARINGS.
SO, UH, I'M GOING TO ASK THOSE WHO INTEND TO TESTIFY TONIGHT, WHETHER IT'S YOUR PROJECT OR YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT IT, UH, TO COME UP AND WILL NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN.
DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? YES.
PLEASE PRINT YOUR NAME AND, AND WHILE YOU ALL ARE DOING THAT, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT OUR COMMISSION.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
IT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE, BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF HPC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC D UH, STRUCTURES.
DUE TO NEGLECT, WE HOLD QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE COMMISSION HEARS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT, RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.
THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR, OR PERSONAL OPINION THAT ARE CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
LIKEWISE, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL REMAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINIONS, PERSONAL LIKES AND DISLIKES OR HEARSAY.
DURING THE HEARING, WE MAKE OUR,
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OUR, OUR DECISIONS BASED ON THE APPLICATION AND THE TESTIMONY AND THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED BY, UH, UH, ON THE PROJECT THAT RE RELATE TO THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES, THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW FOR EACH, EACH CASE.THE HBC ADMINISTRATOR WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE WILL, WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THE, THE APPLICATION PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.
REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE.
OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.
HPC ADMINISTRATOR WILL PRESENT THE STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS.
UM, I WILL, THE COMMISSION THEN HAS A CHANCE TO DISCUSS THE, UH, PROJECT.
I'LL ASK THEN FOR A MOTION TO DENY OR APPROVE THE APPLICATION BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF FACT.
AND WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION AND A VOTE.
[4.A. 302 Avenue A – to include reapproval of an expired CoA for a new garage in the Secondary AVC.]
READY FOR PROJECT NUMBER ONE.SO OUR FIRST APPLICATION TONIGHT IS FOR 3 0 2 AVENUE A.
THIS IS THE APPLICATION ITSELF, UH, AND FOR, UH, MATTHEW AND MELISSA HALTON.
THE APPLICATION IS FILLED OUT WITH REGARD TO DESCRIPTION AND GUIDELINES AND, UH, MATERIALS.
AND THEN ON THE SECOND PAGE, THE, UH, RE UH, RELEVANT, UH, CHECK BOXES AND THE, UH, SIGNATURE AND DATE OF THE APPLICANT.
SO, UH, THIS IS IN EFFECT, I'M GONNA THIS A LITTLE SMALLER.
IT SEEMS TO BE GOING TOO FAST.
UM, THIS IS IN EFFECT A RE-APPROVAL OF A OR RE-REVIEW OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECT THAT HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED IN ANY WAY.
UH, AND OTHER THAN THE APPLICANT'S ADDRESS, UH, AND THE SIGNATURE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE APPLICATION.
SO, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE COA ENTAILED, UH, THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS AT THE TIME.
UH, AND SO, AND IT WAS EVEN EXTENDED FOR ONE YEAR.
UH, BUT, UH, THEN AFTER THAT ONE YEAR, UH, IT LAPSED.
AND SO NOW THEY'RE LOOKING FOR RE-APPROVAL.
SO THE APPLICATION AT THE TIME INCLUDED THIS INFORMATION HERE, UM, SHOWING, UH, SIMILAR HISTORIC DISTRICT EXAMPLES.
THE, THE PROJECT IS A NEW GARAGE, UH, IN THE BACKYARD OF THEIR PROPERTY.
WE'LL SEE THAT, UM, IN A MINUTE.
UH, THE, THEY PROVIDED SOME OLD SANBORN MAPS AND DELINEATE THE KIND OF THE WORK AREA FOR WHERE THIS GARAGE WILL GO.
UH, THERE'S CURRENTLY A RUSTY, UH, SHED IN THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE IN ORDER TO PUT IN THE GARAGE.
AND, UM, THE, UH, SITE IS, UM, AT THE CORNER OF AVENUE A AND NORTH CRAVEN STREET WITH THE, UH, DRIVEWAY COMING OFF NORTH CRAVEN STREET.
SO THE, UH, UH, THEY HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SITE HERE ON THE LEFT, UM, WHERE YOU CAN SEE IN THE, AT LEAST, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER, THE METAL SHED AND IN THE SUMMER WITH SOME OF THE TREE LEAVES AND STUFF ON THE TREES.
UM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO POINTING OUT THE, UH, TWO STRIP TIRE LANES IN THE BACKYARD, AND THE CURB CUT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO HERE THEY FINALLY SHOW THE, UH, THE SITE AND THE PROPOSED GARAGE LOCATION IN THE BLUE DASH LINE HERE.
UH, AND THE WHITE DASH LINE IS THE SAME AS FROM BEFORE, KIND OF SHOWING DELINEATING THEIR BACKYARD.
UH, AND SO IN THIS CASE, UH, CRAVEN STREET'S ON THE TOP RIGHT AND, UH, AVENUE A IS THE LOWER RIGHT.
SO HERE'S, UM, THE BEGINNING OF THE DRAWINGS.
UH, IT SHOWS IN THE UPPER RIGHT, THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE GARAGE, TWO DOORS, UH, TWO LIGHTS, UM, AND A WINDOW FOR THE ATTIC SPACE THERE.
UH, AND THEN ON THE LEFT SIDE, IT'S A BLANK WALL.
I GUESS THAT'S THE RIGHT SIDE.
UH, AND THEN THE BACK WALL IS, UH, HAS ALSO ANOTHER WINDOW IN THE ATTIC.
AND THEN THE, UM, SOUTHEAST SIDE FACING THE HOUSE HAS THE, UH, DOORWAY
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ON THE RIGHT AND TWO SMALL WINDOWS ON THE LEFT.AND ALSO A, UH, AGAIN, ANOTHER, UH, EXTERIOR LIGHT.
UM, THEY PROVIDED ALL, ALL THE APPROPRIATE, UH, OR SPELLED OUT ALL THE APPROPRIATE GUIDELINES.
UH, AND OKAY, SO, UH, THEN WE'D BE READY FOR THE, UH, OH, WAIT, SORRY.
UM, THIS, THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW.
UH, THE, UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR INDICATED THAT A ZONING PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE PROJECT, UH, AND IT SEEMS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
UH, THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR INDICATED THAT IT WILL, UH, REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, BUILDING AND FLOODPLAIN PERMITS ARE REQUIRED.
SO THEN, UH, WHEN YOU'RE READY, I'M READY WITH THE, UH, STAFF REPORT.
IS THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT? OKAY.
I MISSED MATT'S CUTOFF FOR UPDATING THE COA APPLICATION IN SECTION THREE.
UH, I DID ADD A NOTE REALLY INTO THE BUILDING MATERIAL THAT IT SIDING IS WOOD SIDING, UH, WITH THE, UH, MEASUREMENTS AND ROOF ANGLES MATCHING THE ALREADY, UH, FACING EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE.
WITH THE, WITH SIDING AND THE, UH, WINDOW THE SAME SIZE, BUT IT'S WOOD AND NOT, UH, OKAY.
ARE THERE ANY PROPONENTS OR OPPONENTS OF THE PROJECT THAT, UH, HAVE STANDING, WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT EVIDENCE, SEEING NONE, OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION? WISH TO SPEAK TO THE PROJECT, SEEING NONE, UM, WE'LL HAVE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THESE ARE THE, UH, THIS IS A STAFF REPORT FOR THREE.
THE PROJECT AT 3 0 2 AVENUE A.
THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS A M BAKER HOUSE, AND IT WAS BUILT AROUND 1897.
UH, IT IS A CONTRIBUTING, UH, BUILDING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE NATIONAL REGISTRY INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 1988.
UH, THE RELEVANT PORTIONS OF IT ARE THE ONE AND ONE HALF STORY FRAME HOUSE WITH A HIGH HIP ROOF OF STANDING, SCENE 10 AND ONE STORY PROJECTING BAYS ON THE SIDE, ELEVATIONS AND ENGAGED ONE STORY PORCH WITH SLENDER CLASSICAL COLUMNS ON BRICK, PIERS AND SQUARE.
IN SECTION, HEATED BALLISTERS SPANS THE TWO BAY FACADE WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS RECESSED AND CONTINUES ALONG THE NORTHEAST ELEVATION.
THE PEDIMENT TO PROJECTING BAY ON THAT ELEVATION IS SEMI HEXAGONAL AND HAS WOOD SHINGLE SIDING IN THE GABLE END.
THE MOST STRIKING FEATURE OF THE HOUSE IS THE LARGE GABLE ROOF DORMER CENTERED ABOVE THE FACADE SQUARE.
WOODEN POSTS SUPPORT THE ARCHED SHINGLED SIDE, SHINGLE SIDED GABLE END, AND A SQUARE IN SECTION.
BASTER RAILING SPANS A BALCONY SERVING AN UPPER FLOOR ENTRANCE.
SURVIVING ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE ONE OVER ONE SASH.
AND THEN, UH, IN THE SANDECK BOOK FROM 1988, UH, THE MOST RELEVANT THINGS ARE ONLY THAT HE MENTIONS THE QUEEN ANNE STYLE AND PICTURES COTTAGE.
SO FOR THIS PROJECT, IT'S TO INCLUDE RE RE-APPROVAL OF AN EXPIRED COA FOR A NEW GARAGE IN THE SECONDARY A, B, C.
SO WE SUBMIT THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES 2.32 AND THREE FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.6 FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 AND TWO FOR PARKING, 2.7 0.1 AND TWO FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.24 AND FIVE FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.2 PER PAINT, 5.4, 0.23 AND FOUR.
AND FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.6.
UH, STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT.
R ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITHIN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.
THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR
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AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UH, THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UH, ONE, THE ONLY ONE I HAVE LISTED HERE, UH, REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
WE'VE, UH, WE'VE APPROVED THIS, UH, BEFORE BECAUSE IT'S CERTAINLY NEEDS, UH, IT'S CERTAINLY CONSISTENT WITH OTHER GARAGE TYPES THAT WE'VE APPROVED IN THE PAST.
UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE ARE NO, UH, PLANNING OR ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGES OR GUIDELINE CHANGES THAT, UH, CONFLICT WITH WHAT WAS, UH, WHAT WAS WHAT WE APPROVED, UH, BEFORE.
UH, IT CERTAINLY MEETS, UH, GUIDELINES 2.6 0.1 AND 2.6 0.2 CONCERNING SECONDARY STRUCTURES, UH, OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES BEING SECONDARY TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURES.
UH, SO I, I THINK THIS CERTAINLY STILL MEETS THE GUIDELINES.
AND I HAD A QUICK QUESTION FOR MATTHEW.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN DESIGN REVIEW, BUT THANK YOU FOR ADDING THOSE NOTES.
I THINK THAT CAME OUT OF OUR DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT FOR THE RECORD, OTHER THAN THOSE NOTES, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OF SUBSTANCE TO YOUR APPLICATION AS IT WAS REVIEWED BEFORE? NO, THERE WERE OTHER NAMES.
OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? NO.
ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROJECT? I'LL TRY.
UM, I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR THE PROJECT AT 3 0 2 AVENUE A TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE NEW NEWBORN CODE OF ORDINANCES.
SECTION 15.411 THROUGH 15.429.
AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT.
UH, SECTION UTILITY SECTIONS 2.1, EXCUSE ME, 2.3 0.1, 2.32, 2.33.
FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.6 ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 AND 2.6 0.2.
DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.3 0.12, 3.1 0.4, AND 3.1 0.5.
WALL TRIM AND ORNAMENTATIONS, 4.2 0.4 4.2 0.5, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.6.
UH, THE FINDING OF FACT BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED ON THE A IN THE APPLICATION IS THAT THE STRUCTURE ONE, THE STRUCTURES, AN AD AT THIS ADDRESS IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, AKA GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THIS APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES WITH A CONDITION THAT THE, UH, CHANGES THAT WE TALKED THIS EVENING, UH, AGREED TO AT THIS MEETING, BE SUBMITTED TO THE HPC STAFF, ACCORDING TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE PROJECT.
MOTION TO ISSUE A COA FOR THE SERGEANT.
WE ISSUE A COA FOR THE PROJECT.
[4.B. 1219 National Ave. – to include a new infill 1.5 story house and detached garage.]
NATIONAL AVENUE.WHILE, WHILE WE'RE WAITING, I AM.
I'M STANDING, UM, I MOVED A HUNDRED FEET OF THE, UH, PROJECT.
I'VE ALSO HAD REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, BUT I'M NOT INVOLVED WITH THIS, UM, THIS PROJECT.
SO IF YOU WANT TO RECUSE ME OR DO YOU WANT ME TO STAY? YOU, YOU'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE PROJECT OUTSIDE OF OUR PROCESS? NO, NO.
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YEAH.BUT, BUT I'VE HAD REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS BEFORE.
MR. RUSH, HAVE YOU HAD TRANSACTIONS WITH THE APPLICANT AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY? I HAVE NOT.
WERE THOSE REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS WITHIN THE LAST 30 OR 60 DAYS? THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN WITHIN 60 DAYS, YEAH.
YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED A LETTER.
HAVE YOU FORMED AN OPINION ABOUT THIS PROJECT, UM, BASED ON INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED WITHOUT HEARING ANY OF THE EVIDENCE TONIGHT? NO, I HAVE NOT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT YOUR ABILITY TO BE A FAIR AND IMPARTIAL DECISION MAKER AND BASE YOUR DECISION SOLELY BASED ON THE EVIDENCE AND INFORMATION PROFFERED IN TONIGHT'S HEARING? I FEEL CONFIDENT I CAN.
MR. CHAIR, YOU MIGHT ASK IF THERE IS ANY OBJECTION FROM THE APPLICANT.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, APPLICANT? OH, FROM THE APPLICANT? I'M SORRY.
UH, DO YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION? NO, I DO NOT HAVE OBJECTION.
MR. CHAIR, YOU MIGHT ASK IF ANYONE WITHSTANDING WHO MIGHT OTHERWISE BE A PARTY, IF THEY HAVE AN OBJECTION TO MR. RUSH SERVING TONIGHT.
ANYONE WITHSTANDING ON THIS PROJECT AND WE'VE DISCUSSED WHAT THAT IS, HAVE AN OBJECTION TO, UH, HIS PARTICIPATION IN THE DELIBERATION.
AND IF NONE OF THE MEMBERS ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT MR. RUSH'S ABILITY TO BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL, THEN HE CAN STAY.
IF SOMEONE HAS CONCERNS ABOUT MR. RUSH'S ABILITY TO BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL, THEN YOU CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO EXCUSE HIM FROM VOTING AND PARTICIPATING ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE THAT CONCERN AND CARE TO DO A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? I HAVE NO CONCERN.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR 1219 NATIONAL AVENUE.
UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THOMAS L. EDWARDS CONSTRUCTION INCORPORATED.
UH, THEIR APPLICATION IS TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND GARAGE.
AND, UM, UH, UH, THEY'VE ATTACHED ALL THE VARIOUS INFORMATION, UH, FOR THE REST OF THOSE CATEGORIES THERE.
THEY CHECKED OFF ALL THE BOXES AND, UH, UH, MR. EDWARDS ASSIGNED HERE, UH, AND DATED IT.
SO, UM, TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT TO THIS, UH, FOR PROVIDED, UH, SOME AERIAL VIEW HERE FIRST, AND THEN I'LL HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS, STREET VIEW, PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, IN A MINUTE.
SO THE PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN BLUE AT THE CORNER OF NATIONAL AND NATIONAL AVENUE AND B STREET, UH, AND IT'S CURRENTLY THIS VACANT LOT.
UH, IF YOU'VE BEEN AROUND, YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE ON THAT SAME BLOCK AS WE HAD, UM, SAY NORTH ON NATIONAL AVENUE.
ON THE SAME SIDE, THERE'S THREE MORE HOUSES, UH, TIGHT TOGETHER, AND THEN TWO MORE HOUSES, UH, THAT ARE ON LARGER LOTS AND ARE WIDER GROUPS FARTHER UP THERE.
UH, WHEREAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, B STREET, UM, IS A LARGE HOUSE ON THE CORNER, UH, THIS IS MR. RUSH'S HOUSE.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S, UH, SOME OTHER HOUSES FARTHER DOWN, UH, WHEREAS THEN ACROSS THE STREET ON, UH, THE BLOCK, UH, BETWEEN A AVENUE A AND AVENUE B, UM, THE ONES ACROSS THE STREET STARTING AT AVENUE B, ARE ON SMALLER SIZE.
LOTS MORE MEDIUM SIZED LOTS, UH, AND, UH, ARE ALSO QUITE CLOSE TOGETHER WITH SOME, WITH SOME SPACE BETWEEN THEM, UH, AS WE GO DOWN TOWARDS THE SOUTH.
UH, THE ACTUAL, UH, SETBACK REFERENCE OR, UH, PRIMARY, UH, AND SETBACK REFERENCE, UH, BLOCK IS THIS BLOCK HERE, UH, STARTING AT THE CORNER OF AVENUE B.
UM, A, UH, SOMEWHAT SQUARE SHAPED, UH, UH, HOUSE IN PLAN.
AND THEN THERE'S A BIT OF A GAP, AND THEN, UH, THREE OR FOUR, FIVE HOUSES QUITE CLOSE TOGETHER.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST ONE ON THE END, ON THE CORNER, UH, IS A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE, UH, AROUND IT.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE CONTEXT IN PLAN VIEW IN AERIAL, IN THE AERIAL.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER, UH, OH, I'M SORRY, THERE IS MORE CONTEXT.
UM, UH, BUT ALSO B STREET IS ALSO PART OF THE CONTEXT FOR THIS, UH, PROJECT.
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IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THERE'S A, UH, ESSENTIALLY A VACANT, ALMOST VACANT LOT WITH BASICALLY AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE BACK.UH, THEN THE NEXT ONE IS A HOUSE, UH, ON A SOMEWHAT WIDER, UH, LOT AS THE, AS IS THE OTHER TWO ON THAT SAME BLOCK AS WELL.
THE, UH, NEXT HOUSE, UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE IN PLANVIEW IS QUITE A BIT FARTHER APART.
THOSE, HOWEVER, ARE NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BOUNDARY IS RIGHT HERE AFTER THE EDGE OF THE VACANT LOT.
UH, THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, OF B STREET, UH, ALREADY MENTIONED, THE ONE ON THE CORNER.
UH, THEN THE NEXT FEW, UH, GOING UP THE STREET ARE, UM, SOMEWHAT SMALLER, LOTS AND SMALLER HOUSES THAT ARE SOMEWHAT CLOSER TOGETHER, UM, AND CLOSER TO THE STREET IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
SO, ALRIGHT, NEXT WE CAN, UH, THEN SEE SOME OF THAT MORE CLOSE UP IF WE NEED TO.
SO, UH, SOME OF THE EXISTING PHOTOGRAPHS, OR AT LEAST FROM 2012, IS WHAT, UH, STREET VIEW HAD AVAILABLE FOR US.
UM, AND IT HASN'T CHANGED MUCH.
UH, WE HAVE BASICALLY A LARGE VACANT LOT WITH A COUPLE OF TREES, UH, SOME LARGER AND SOME SMALLER.
UH, AND AS WE MOVE, UH, DOWN NATIONAL AVENUE, UH, YOU HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THE, UM, MAYBE BETTER IDEA WHAT SOME OF THESE PLANTS LOOK LIKE, BUT ALSO THE PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBOR, UM, ESPECIALLY AS WE MOVE INTO THE, OKAY.
AND THEN BACK ALONG THE OTHER SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND BROAD SIDE IN THE BACK AND, UH, UH, THE STREETSCAPE AREA THERE.
AND THEN YOU GO TO THE BACK CORNER OF THE, UH, OR THE, I GUESS IT'S GONNA BE THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, LOOKING BACK ACROSS THE PROPERTY, UH, HERE, UH, THIS TREE, BY THE WAY, HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED RECENTLY.
IT IS NO LONGER THERE, UH, BY THE CITY.
UH, AND SO NOW MOVING UP NORTH, UH, NORTH ON, UH, NATIONAL AVENUE, THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSES ARE SHOWN HERE FOR CONTEXT.
UH, AND WE CAN SEE IN AERIAL VIEW, THEY WERE SET QUITE, QUITE A WAYS BACK FROM THE SIDEWALK.
AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE EVEN MORE.
SO, UH, THEN, UH, LET'S SEE, THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THEN ACROSS THE STREET ON NATIONAL AVENUE, THESE HOUSES, UH, GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE HOUSES ARE LIKE.
THEN AS YOU CROSS AVENUE B, UH, AND CONTINUING, NOW WE'RE GOING SOUTH ON NATIONAL AVENUE.
UH, THESE ARE THE HOUSES ACROSS THE, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY.
THEN, UM, THE ONES THAT ARE, UH, ON NATIONAL AVENUE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT ON THE WEST SIDE, UH, THIS IS THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER BACK IN 2012, NO LONGER LOOKING LIKE THAT TODAY.
UH, AND THEN TWO OTHER HOUSES, UH, TO THE SOUTH OF THAT.
SO THOSE GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS TO THE CONTEXT.
UH, THIS ALONG NATIONAL AVENUE.
NOW THIS IS GOING UP EAST STREET ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THAT IS THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER WITH ITS GARAGE, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE, UH, PUSHED UP RIGHT UP AGAINST THE, UH, SIDEWALK.
AND THEN THE NEXT TWO HOUSES UP B STREET ON THAT SAME SIDE.
THESE TWO ARE NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET FROM THOSE TWO ON B STREET, UM, ARE THE OTHER TWO HOUSES ON BLOCK ON THE SAME SIDE AS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND THEN FINALLY, THIS IS A VIEW OF THE, UM, PARTIALLY VACANT LOT WITH THE, UM, UM, ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE BACK AND THE, AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, PROVIDED A, UH, UH, PARCEL SURVEY AND SITE PLAN MAP HERE THAT THEY ARE, UH, IN THE PROCESS OF REVISING, UH, THEIR SURVEYOR IS NOT ABLE TO MANAGE TO GET THE, UH, WORK DONE IN TIME FOR THE MEETING TONIGHT.
SO, UH, THE CHANGES THAT, SPECIFIC CHANGES THEY NEED TO MAKE
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ARE WITH REGARD TO THE SETBACKS, UH, WHICH HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED TO THEM.UH, AND, UM, WE WILL PROBABLY BE DISCUSSING THE POSITION OF THE GARAGE ON THE SITE AS WELL.
BUT IF WE NEED THAT FOR THE POSITION OF THE HOUSE, UH, WE CAN, UH, HAND GARAGE, WE CAN USE THAT MAP LATER.
SO NOW, I'M SORRY, MATT, THE, THE, THE SETBACK, UH, ISSUE.
CAN YOU GO BACK A SECOND? I, I I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT, ON WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE.
SO IN THE, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTIAL USES, UM, THERE'S, UH, SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS, UH, THAT ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR A MUCH LARGER AREA, UH, BUILDABLE AREA ON A PROPERTY.
SO, UH, THE SET SIDE YARD SETBACK IS NOT 10, BUT FIVE FEET.
THE REAR YARD SETBACK IS SIX FEET, UH, WHICH COULD BE THIS ONE OR, UM, OR VICE VERSA.
THAT COULD BE THE FIVE FOOT ONE FOR A SIDE AND THE SEVERE, UH, FENCE, HOWEVER THEY WANT TO DO IT, BUT IT'S A FOOT, ONE FOOT DIFFERENCE, DOESN'T MATTER.
THE, UH, FRET YARD SETBACK THEN IS USED ON BOTH STREETS BECAUSE THIS IS A CORNER LOT.
UH, FRONT YARDS ARE ALWAYS, UH, ON THE STREET SIDE OF ANY PROPERTY.
AND SO, UM, THOSE ARE MEASURED ACCORDING TO THE SETBACKS OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE SAME BLOCK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
UH, SO THAT'S WHY IT DID TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO MENTION HOW FAR BACK, UH, PROPERTIES WERE FROM EACH OTHER, UH, FROM THE STREET.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT FROM EACH OTHER LATER.
BUT FOR THIS PLAN, IT, IT SHOULD BE REVISING THIS TO SHOW THERE'S A RANGE IN WHICH THE BUILDING MUST BE SET.
IT HAS TO BE SET BETWEEN THE MINIMUM AND THE MAXIMUM SETBACK OF EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THAT BLOCK.
AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE ON BOTH SIDES? NO.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WAITING FOR.
UM, WE SUSPECT THE, THIS ONE HERE IS, UH, CLOSE THE FRONT YARD ON NATIONAL AVENUE.
IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE 'CAUSE WE DID SEE SOME HOUSES THAT WERE VERY FAR BACK, SO, SO PERHAPS THIS FAR BACK.
UH, AND THEN OTHER ONES THAT WERE A LOT CLOSER.
SO I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOOD ON THIS SIDE, ON B STREET THAT'S STILL YET TO BE FIGURED OUT.
SO FOR, FOR PURPOSE OF THIS DISCUSSION, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME THAT THERE'S A CONDITION THAT WHEN THE FINAL, UH, SURVEY COMES IN, IT MEETS THE GUIDELINES.
THAT WOULD BE CONDITION OF, YOU CAN, IF YOU CHOOSE YES.
UH, I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
ALRIGHT, SO THEN THIS WOULD BE THE, UH, FIRST, OR I'M SORRY, THE FOUNDATION PLAN HERE FIRST.
UM, PRIMARILY YOU SEE, UH, THE HOUSE AND A DETACHED GARAGE.
UH, AND THEN ALSO A SECTION THROUGH THE, UH, STRUCTURE, WHICH DOES SHOW, UH, SOME IMPORTANT FEATURES ARE, UH, THE CONCRETE BLOCK IS COVERED, UM, WITH A BRICK VENEER, UM, AND THEN ALSO POINTS OUT MANY OF THE MATERIALS.
UH, THEN THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN HERE SHOWS, UH, I GUESS THE IMPORTANT FEATURES FOR US ARE THE FRONT PORCH.
UH, AND THEN, UM, THERE'S A, A REAR PORCH AS WELL.
THERE'S A BREEZEWAY, WHICH, UM, CONNECTS THE HOUSE TO THE, UH, GARAGE.
UH, AND THEN THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE MOST.
OH, AND ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE HERE WE HAVE, UH, A ROOM, WHICH IS POP, UH, POPPED OUT.
UH, ONE, ONE FOOT EIGHT INCHES, UH, FROM THE OTHERWISE, UH, MAIN PART OF THE WALL.
UH, WE'LL NOTICE THAT A LOT OF THIS IS, UH, HANDLED WITH, UM, UH, DORMERS, UH, AND SLOPING ROOFS.
SO PROBABLY NOT TALKING MUCH ABOUT THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE HAVE THE ACTUAL ELEVATION.
SO THE FRONT ELEVATIONS HERE ON THE BOTTOM.
SO YOU SEE THE FRONT PORCH WITH THE, UH, THE BRICK, UH, PIERS COMING HALFWAY UP.
AND THEN THE, UH, UH, UH, COLUMNS ON TOP OF THAT.
AND, UH, THE BALLAST RAIDS THE STEPS.
UM, THE FRONT DORMER RIGHT OVER THE, YOU KNOW, CENTERED ON THE FRONT DOOR.
UH, AND THEN A SIDE DORMER ON THE RIGHT.
UH, THEN THE OTHER INTERESTING OR NOTABLE FEATURES HERE ARE THE BRICK, UH, FOUNDATION THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
BUT IT'S ALSO, UM, PUNCTUATED WITH SOME OF THESE PUNCTUATED,
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UM, IS MAYBE NOT THE RIGHT WORD.UH, WE HAVE, THERE'S SECTIONS OF THAT WALL THAT ARE SET IN, UH, THERE.
SO WE SEE THREE OF THEM HERE, UH, INSET FROM THE MAIN FACE OF THE BRICK.
AND THEN THAT SAME FEATURE HAPPENS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING.
SO THIS IS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE HERE, UH, LOOKING AT THE, UH, END OR THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE HERE.
UH, AND THEN THE REST OF THE HOUSE BEHIND THE GARAGE THERE.
AND WE CAN SEE HERE THE, UH, REAR PORCH AS IT FACES.
THE, UH, REAR YARD, UH, THIS IS SHOWN SCREENED IN, WHEREAS OUT FRONT YOU CAN SEE IT'S NOT, UH, UH, THE GRAY COLOR UNDERNEATH THE, UH, ON THE PORCH HERE THAT'S OPEN ON THE FRONT PORCH.
SO, UM, ALSO, I GUESS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION HERE, WE SEE, UH, THE ONE FOOT EIGHT INCH, UM, EXTENSION HERE ON THE LEFT.
AND THEN, UH, THEIR PROPOSED EXTENSION OF THE, UH, CORNER SIDE, CORNER OF THE GARAGE, UH, BEYOND WHAT ELSE YOU SEE HERE.
YOU CAN SEE ALL THE WINDOWS ARE VERTICAL.
UM, ALL OF THESE CASES, UH, THE ROOFING IS, UH, ASPHALT SHINGLE.
THE SIDING IS, UM, THE CONCRETE, UM, UH, HARDY BOARD SIDING AND TRIM IS ALSO THE HARDY BOARD MATERIAL CONCRETE HARDY BOARD.
SO THE LEFT SIDE, UH, FACING B STREET, UH, IS, UM, THIS GABLE LARGE GABLE ROOF.
SO, UH, THIS IS COUNTS MORE OR LESS AS A ONE AND A HALF STORY, UH, STRUCTURE.
UM, AND WE CAN SEE THE WINDOWS SIDING.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A GABLE VENT AT THE VERY TOP HERE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT PORCH ON THE RIGHT, THE BALLISTERS AND RAILING, THE, AND THEN THE GARAGE ITSELF, UH, SEPARATED, UH, FROM THE HOUSE, UH, WITH ITS TWO GARAGE DOORS, TWO LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING IS THE, UH, ASPHALT SHINGLES.
THEN ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, FACING THE NEIGHBOR, UM, IS, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE PORCH ON THE FRONT PORCH ON THE LEFT FACING NATIONAL AVENUE.
UM, AND, UH, THAT LARGE CABLE SECTION.
THEN THE, THIS CUTOUT HERE IS FOR THAT, UM, ESSENTIALLY INSET, UH, BACK PORCH.
UM, AND, UH, LET'S SEE, THE BACKSIDE OF THE GARAGE IS CLEAN.
UM, YOU HAVE OUR VERTICAL WINDOWS AGAIN, OR SQUARE VERTICAL OR SQUARE WINDOWS.
UM, THE VARIOUS, UH, UH, DORMERS AND THEIR ROOFS.
UM, AND LET'S SEE, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT THERE FOR NOW.
NOW AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, YOU ASKED, UH, THE APPLICANTS TO PREPARE SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, TRYING TO, UH, ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THE GARAGE, UH, LOCATED WHERE THEY HAD PROPOSED IN THAT MEETING.
SO THEY PROVIDED THIS, UH, DOCUMENT HERE.
I HAVE TO GO OVER IT WITH YOU BECAUSE NO ONE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT SINCE IT ARRIVED THIS MORNING OR THIS, OR LATER, LATE IN THE MORNING TODAY.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA GO OVER THIS.
UM, SO THE TOPIC IS GARAGE PLACEMENT IN RELATION TO HOUSE PLACEMENT.
CURRENTLY, THE GARAGE PLANE IS LEFT OF THE PRIMARY HOUSE PLANE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE FRONT.
UH, REASONING FOR KEEPING THE HOME AND GARAGE LOCATION AS IS ONE.
THE GOAL OF THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSE AND GARAGE IS TO MAXIMIZE BA BACKYARD SQUARE FOOTAGE DUE TO 1219 NATIONAL AVENUE BEING A SHALLOWER LOT THAN THE OTHERS ON THE STREET.
UH, BULLET ONE, THE OPTION TO MOVE THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT TO MATCH THE GARAGE PLANE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT THIS WOULD THEN MAKE IT SO THE HOUSE WILL NOT BE CENTERED ON THE LOT WHICH IS REFERENCED IN THE FOLLOWING PICTURE UNDER THE HPC GUIDELINE 2.2.
UM, I HAVE INCLUDED SOME, UH, THE EMAIL THAT I HAVE REPLIED TO THEM WITH REGARD TO THIS, UH, UH, PRESENTATION.
SO, UM, JUST, WE'LL JUST GO OVER THIS FIRST AND THEN GO OVER MY EMAIL.
REPLY TWO VIEW OF THE BACKYARD MOVING THE GARAGE TO BE ON THE SAME PLANE AS THE HOME'S MAIN LEFT WALL WILL OBSCURE THE VIEW OF THE BACKYARD FROM WITHIN THE HOME.
UH, THEIR, UM, THEIR LIVING ROOM ACTUALLY IS AS WINDOWS LOOKING
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OUT ONTO THAT BACK PORCH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT BACK PORCH.AND SO VERY CLOSE TO THE BACK CORNER OF THE GARAGE.
UM, THREE, THE FOLLOWING PHOTOS WERE TAKEN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT ARE NOT ON THE MATCHING PLANE OF THE MAIN HOUSE.
UH, SO I THINK THEY MISUNDERSTOOD THAT WE REQUIRED IT TO BE ON PLANE WITH IT.
UM, BUT SO THEY'VE SHOWED VARIOUS HOMES, UM, THAT ARE NOT INDEED ON PLANE WITH THE, UH, PIECE OF THE BUILDING, BUT SET BACK.
UM, AND SO THAT'S, OF COURSE WE KNOW THAT'S O OKAY.
UM, SO THEN, UM, SO FOR MY REPLY, UM, I INDICATED THE, I SHOULD MAKE THIS BIGGER DOWN.
THE FIRST BULLET HERE, UH, THE ILLUSTRATION FROM THE STANDARDS GUIDELINES IS TO SHOW THE SPACING BETWEEN THE STRUCTURES, HENCE THE DIMENSION LINES, IN FACT THAT, SO, UM, IN FACT GIVING, GIVEN THAT THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER, SEE THE AERIAL VIEW BELOW THAT ILLUSTRATION IMPLIES YOUR HOUSE MAY BE, SHOULD BE WITHIN 10 FEET OR SO OF THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE, OR IF YOU LOOK AT THE REST OF THE BLOCK, THEREBY ADDING TWO MORE RELEVANT, WIDER LOTS, ONE ON A CORNER.
THE HOUSE COULD BE REQUIRED TO BE THE MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM B STREET, LIKE THE ONE ALONG C STREET.
THE HPC MIGHT NOT REQUIRE THE MINIMUM, BUT IT MIGHT GIVE THEM JUSTIFICATION TO EXPECT THE HOUSE TO MOVE CLOSE TO B STREET.
AND THEN THE SECOND BULLET WAS REGARDING, UH, THE OTHER PHOTOS, UM, THAT THEY PROVIDED.
YES, ALL THOSE OTHER GARAGES ARE BEHIND THE FACE OF THE HOUSE.
THE STANDARD IS THEY HAVE TO BE ANYWHERE BEHIND THE STREET FACING FACE OF THE HOUSE, THE PRIMARY A, B, C, UH, IN THE, IN THE SECONDARY OR TERTIARY ABCS.
SO, UH, THEN I PROVIDED THESE TWO ILLUSTRATIONS AT THE TOP ARE FROM THE GUIDELINES, UH, STANDARDS.
AND SO ON THE LEFT IT SHOWS, UH, THAT A GARAGE BEHIND THE HOUSE.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S A PHOTO PROVIDED IN THE MARGIN OF THAT AIR SECTION ON ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, HISTORIC OUTBUILDINGS AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURES LIKE THIS GARAGE ADD TO THE CHARACTER AND DIVERSITY OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
AND THEN I PULLED UP, UM, A RECENT STREET VIEW OF THAT VERY GARAGE, UH, RELATIVE TO THE HOUSE TO SHOW THAT THE, UH, THE HOUSE IS INDEED IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE THE FENCE IS SHORT, A SHORT DISTANCE FROM THE CORNER, WHEREAS HERE IT'S A LONGER DISTANCE.
SO THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA THAT IT'S, UH, NOT IN PLAIN BUT BEHIND THE PLANE OF THE HOUSE.
SO, AND THIS ALSO WAS THE, UH, IS OUR, UH, ILLUSTRATION IN THE GUIDELINES ABOUT THE, UM, EXPLAINING WHAT IS PRIMARY, SECONDARY, AND TERTIARY AREAS OF CONCERN.
AND, UM, UH, THERE ARE TWO CORNER LOTS SHOWN ON THIS ILLUSTRATION, UH, WHICH SHOW THE PRIMARY DOES WRAP AROUND BOTH SIDES OF THE, OF THAT KIND OF PROPERTY.
UH, AND THE LINES ARE EXTENDED FROM THE MAIN FACE OF THE, UH, STRUCTURES.
SO, UH, THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THIS LEFT LOWER LEFT, UH, PROPERTY, THIS, UH, SECTION THAT'S INSIDE THE PRIMARY IS ACTUALLY THE FRONT OPEN FRONT PORCH SUPPOSEDLY.
AND SAME WITH THIS ONE ON THIS CORNER HERE, THE ONE FACING DOWN TOWARDS THE BOTTOM IS AN OPEN FRONT PORCH, WHEREAS APPARENTLY, UH, THE ILLUSTRATION HERE INDICATES AN ADDITION WHICH HAS AN ENCLOSED SPACE ON THIS SIDE, AND THEREFORE THE, UH, PRIMARY IS EXTENDED FROM THE FACE OF THAT WALL.
OR AT LEAST THAT'S THE WAY WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT.
SO, UM, SO THERE ARE OPTIONS, UM, TO ADDRESS WHEN WE WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.
BEFORE I MOVE ON, MATT, CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR FIRST BULLET, WHAT YOU DO, BACK TO WHAT YOUR FIRST BULLET ON YOUR RESPONSE.
UH, UH, THEY'VE ALSO SUBSEQUENTLY PROVIDED SINCE THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
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SO, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THESE.UM, I SEE THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY PLANTING AROUND THE BUILDING HERE.
UM, I POINTED OUT THAT THE AIR CONDITIONING CANNOT BE ALONG THE B STREET, UH, FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
SO, UM, I I'M THINKING THEY MAY HAVE AN ALTERNATE IN MIND FOR THAT.
SO YOU, YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER FROM THE MEETING, THEY ALSO PROVIDED A SERIES OF SLIDES ON THE MATERIALS FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, AND THEY UPDATED THOSE ACCORDING TO, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, HERE WE HAVE, UH, BRICK VENEER AND STEPS, UH, AND THEN THE CONCRETE PORCH WITH THE BRICK FOUNDATION, THE SIDING.
AND IN THIS CASE THEY'VE INDICATED THE STYLE IS SEVEN AND QUARTER INCH CORDS WITH A SIX INCH REVEAL AND A SMOOTH FINISH.
THE BOXING AND TRIM, UH, IS ALSO HARDY HARDY BOARD, UH, SMOOTH FINISH THROUGHOUT.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AREAS OF THE RAKES.
EVES BEANS, FACIA CORNER AND WINDOW AND DOOR TRIM.
TRIM DIMENSIONS ARE REFERENCED IN THE PLANS.
UM, PORCH CEILINGS, UM, CENTER, PINE BEE BOARD, UH, FRONT AND BACK PORCH CEILINGS.
THE HANDRAILS ARE TREATED PINE, PAINTED WHITE, UM, PICKETS TO BE CENTERED ON THE HANDRAIL WITH NO MORE THAN THREE INCH DISTANCE BETWEEN EACH PICKET, WHICH IS GUIDELINE 4.4 0.4.
AND THAT'S FOR THE FRONT AND BACK PORCH.
THE COLUMNS ARE, UH, BRICK AND AEC AND THEY GIVE YOU THE DIMENSIONS AND THE FRONT PORCH, UH, COLUMNS, UH, PER THE LAND.
AND THE BRICK IS SAME AS THE OTHER BRICK THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE.
AND THE AZA NEEDS TO BE WHITE.
UH, FOR THE ROOFING MENTION, ASPHALT SHINGLES, THE ENTIRE ROOF JUST NEEDS TO BE A DARK COLOR PALETTE FOR THE WINDOWS.
UM, UH, THEY ARE SOLID VINYL, DOUBLE HUNG, UH, TWO PANES OVER ONE.
AND THEY HAVE THE THREE PART GRID WITH THE ONE INSIDE, ONE OUTSIDE AND ONE BETWEEN THE PANES, UH, FRONT DOOR, UH, UH, PRIMARILY, UH, IT'LL BE A PAINTED WOOD DOOR WITH OPAQUE STAIN WITH ONE SIDE LIGHT WINDOW ON EACH SIDE OF THE DOOR.
THE BACK DOOR IS FIBERGLASS DOOR PAINT GRADE, AND IT'S A FULL GLASS DOOR WITH TRANSOM WINDOW ABOVE IT.
UH, AND THE DOOR TO THE BREEZEWAY IS ALSO A FIBERGLASS DOOR, UH, FULL GLASS AND PAINTED.
AND THEN THE GARAGE DOORS ARE, UM, TWO PAINTED ALUMINUM INSULATED DOORS, UH, CARRIAGE HOUSE STYLE.
AND, UM, YEAH, THE PANEL STYLE IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF SELECTION, IS WHAT THEY COULD PROBABLY, UH, PHOTOSHOP.
IN THERE THEY ALSO PROVIDED A PROPOSAL FOR REPLACEMENT, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE KNEE WALL, UH, ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE WITH THEIR NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH.
THE KNEE WALL RUNS THE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES.
AND THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS THAT WE SAW THE LAST TIME.
UM, IT'S NOT A RETAINING WALL, UM, HAS NO STRUCTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OR FOOTERS.
UM, IT'S UNSTABLE AND DETERIORATING.
UM, INTERFERES WITH PLACEMENT OF FENCE AND LANDSCAPING.
THE TRACKS FROM THE APPEARANCE OF PROPERTY AND GRADING OF THE PROPERTY MAY IMPACT ITS FURTHER ITS INTEGRITY.
SO THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR FENCING, I'M NOT GONNA MAKE THIS BIGGER.
LETTERING HAS GOTTEN SMALLER AND WE NEED TO SEE THE COLORS HERE.
THE LINES IN, LINES IN GREEN, UP IN THE UPPER LEFT, UPPER RIGHT HERE IS A LINE OF LANDSCAPING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
THEN, UH, AT APPARENTLY THE FRONT FACE OF THE HOUSE, UH, THEY WILL BE COMING OUT WITH A PRIVACY FENCE, UH, ACROSS TO THE BOUNDARY.
AND THEN BACK TO AN EXISTING, UH, MASONRY WALL THAT'S BACK THERE, UH, COMING CLOSE TO THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S, AND THEN, UH, GOING AROUND THE CORNER OF THE
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PROPERTY THAT, UH, MASONRY WALL WILL REMAIN.UH, AND THEN STARTING AT THE END OF THAT ONE, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING TO EXTEND THE EXISTING BLOCK AND ALUMINUM WALL ALONG THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
SO THAT'S THIS BROWN LINE, UH, OUT APPARENTLY TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN, UH, AT THE POINT OF WHICH IT REACHES THE FACE OF THE, UH, GARAGE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO THEN, UH, RESTART WITH THE, UH, PRI WOOD PRIVACY FENCE.
UH, THEY'RE ALSO, UH, PLANNING ON PROBABLY PUTTING OUT SOME KIND OF FENCED, ACTUALLY GATE, UH, ACROSS THE BREEZEWAY.
THE INTENT HERE IS TO PROVIDE, UH, ENCLOSURE FOR A DOG.
THE, THE, BEFORE WE MOVE OFF FENCES, UHHUH, UH, CAN WE TALK, CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF ALL THOSE? THEY, THEY DIDN'T INDICATE SO, OH, WAIT, THERE, HERE WE GO.
SO THE PROPOSED FENCE, UH, THE WOOD FENCE IS TO BE FIVE FOOT TALL.
UH, AND WE SEE THE OTHER DETAILS THERE.
UM, FOR THE FRONT, IT'S A FOUR FOOT SINK SINGLE GATE, SO IT, I'M GUESSING THAT'S FOUR FOOT WIDE.
AND FOR THE REAR, UH, MUST BE, UH, ALONG THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE.
THEN IT'D BE A 10 FOOT DOUBLE GATE.
SO THEY PROVIDE A BIT OF A MOCK UP HERE, UH, FOR THAT.
SO ALONG THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, THAT FIVE FOOT, UH, WOODEN FENCE WOULD BE ALONG HERE LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT ANKLE, I GUESS THEY ALSO REPRESENTED IT HERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, LANDSCAPING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT AS WELL.
UH, YOU ALSO SEE THAT LITTLE, UH, UM, LITTLE KNEE WALL THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING ALSO IN THE UPPER CORNER HERE, I CAN BARELY SEE IT BACK.
UH, AND THEN THEY WANT TO, UH, YOU CAN NOTICE, UM, THE NEIGHBOR HAS THAT MASONRY WALL I WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHICH ACTUALLY HAS, UH, GAPS BETWEEN THE PIERS, WHICH ARE INFILLED WITH SOME ALUMINUM FENCING.
UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, THAT'S THE HOUSE, I SUPPOSE THEY, OR THEIR NEIGHBOR, DEPENDING ON WHOSE PROPERTY IT'S, I SUPPOSE.
AND, AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S THE ONE, I DON'T SEE ANY HEIGHT ON THAT ONE.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS ONE.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE ONE WE SHOULD GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO ON WHOSE PROPERTY IT IS AND, UM, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THE NEIGHBOR IS, UH, AGREES TO THAT IF IT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO REUSE THE KNEE WALL, UM, THE, UH, DILAPIDATED KNEE WALL BLOCKS, UH, TO FILL IN UNDER THE FRONT PORCH.
UH, AND, UH, THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDED SOME VERY NICE DATA ON WOOD PORCHES AND CONCRETE PORCHES.
UH, APPARENTLY THERE'S 21% IN THE RIVERSIDE AREA IN THIS, UH, STUDY OR ARE CONCRETE.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, SO EXISTING HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC RIVERSIDE DISTRICT HOMES HAVE TWO VARIATIONS OF CONCRETE PORCHES.
THEY SHOW HERE, UH, SLAB WITHOUT TRIM.
AND SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF PHOTOGRAPHS THERE, AND THEN CONCRETE WITH BRICK TRIM.
SO THEN, UM, THEY'RE, UH, MAKING THE CASE FOR REUSING THE, UH, BLOCK FOR FILL UNDERNEATH THE PORCH AND ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR THAT.
AND THEN, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, GUIDELINES, UH, REITERATED HERE, INCLUDING SOME OF THE, UH, NARRATIVE INFORMATION.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE'LL MOVE TO THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW.
UH, FOR 1219 FOR THE PROJECT HERE AT 1219 NATIONAL AVENUE, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATORS INDICATED THAT IT SEEMS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE, JUST NEEDS A ZONING PERMIT.
AND THEN THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS INDICATED THAT IT, IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR STAFF REPORT.
THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT?
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NOT, UM, NOT AT THIS TIME.WELL, THE ONLY THING I MISSING, I KNOW THERE'S A DISCREPANCY IN THE, UH, THE OFFSET OF THE GARAGE AND, UM, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOUR DECISION'S GOING TO BE ON THAT, BUT I DO HAVE SOME REMEDIES IN MIND, UH, AFTER I HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS, UH, SIDE OFFSET BEING ON THE MAIN PLANE OF THE HOUSE.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU, UH, ANSWER A QUESTION ON THAT FENCE THAT'S ON THE BACK? THE ONE THAT'S PARTIALLY BLOCKED? PARTIALLY FILLED IN? YES.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THAT? IT'S AROUND SIX FEET.
SO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE A SIX FOOT FENCE GO THE WHOLE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE? YEAH, THE, THE, THE NEIGHBOR TO THE RIGHT OF THIS LOT UNDERNEATH THE FENCE, AND HE WAS WANTING TO TAKE IT ON TO HIS PROPERTY LINE ON THAT SIDE OF B STREET.
UH, AND THEN WE WERE JUST GOING TO TIE IN FROM OUR GARAGE CORNER WITH OUR WOOD FENCE TO HIS FENCE.
SO, SO THAT ISN'T YOU, YOU RECOGNIZE THAT ISN'T THE PRIMARY A, B, C AND THERE'S A LIMIT ON HOW HIGH THAT FENCE CAN BE, RIGHT? SO THAT, UM, YOU, YOU WOULD MEET THOUGH THE LIMIT IN TERMS OF YOUR PROPERTY, BUT THE NEIGHBOR WOULD HAVE TO COME FORWARD WITH A PROCESS HE'S PREPARED TO DO THAT HE'S PREPARED TO DO.
SO THE NEIGHBOR HAS BEEN TALKING TO ME EVEN BEFORE THE APP, THIS APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED ABOUT, UM, PUT EXTENDING HIS FENCE, UH, AND HOW FAR HE COULD GO AT WHAT HEIGHT.
SO, UM, HE'S ALSO LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT HE'S GOING, BECAUSE THERE'S CURRENTLY TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES.
UM, THE ONE ON B STREET IS SEPARATE FROM THEIR PROPERTY ON NATIONAL AVENUE.
UM, THEY'RE CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T, UH, COMBINE THE TWO, UH, LEGALLY INTO ONE L-SHAPED LOT.
UM, AND SO WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH THAT, UH, A DIFFERENT KIND OF SITUATION FOR, FOR THAT.
BUT FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, ALL WE'RE CONSIDERING IS THE PROPERTY OF THIS ATION.
SO, SO WE ARE NOT CONSIDERING THAT EXTENSION OF THAT FENCE ALONG THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY THE WHOLE WAY UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
I, I WOULDN'T BELIEVE THAT, THAT THE, HIS FENCE WOULD ACTUALLY, IF HE DOES THAT, IT'LL BE JUST ON HIS PROPERTY LINE.
I DON'T THINK IT, IT, IT FALLS ON OUR RIGHT.
SO IT'S, IT WOULD BE HIS RESPONSIBILITY, I ASSUME, TO GET ALL THAT APPROVAL.
SO YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON, ON BUILDING ANYTHING EXTENDING THAT, THAT FENCE.
I THOUGHT YOU, I THOUGHT IT FROM, FROM MEETING.
WELL, IF HE, IF HE, IF, IF HE CAN GET IT APPROVED, WE'RE JUST GOING TO TIE OUR FENCE TO IT CORRECT.
FROM TO, TO CREATE THE BOUNDARY THERE.
BUT YOU'RE NOT BUILDING THAT FENCE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S SHOULD NOT BE FRONT OF THE APPLICATION.
AND I GUESS THAT WAS A LONG WAY AROUND ANSWER.
IF HE DOESN'T DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE OUR FENCE BACK AND TIE IT IN TO WHERE HIS STARTS NOW.
YEAH, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE'S GONNA DO ON THAT.
SO WE WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANY OF YOUR FENCE BACK THERE AND NOT AT THIS POINT, NOT AT THIS POINT.
WE NEED TO SEE THAT WOULD BE EXACTLY HOW THAT'S GONNA FALL.
SO THIS KEEPS ON GETTING MURKIER AND MURKIER.
UH, THERE SEEM TO BE A LOT OF LOOSE ENDS.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE FEELS THAT WAY.
UM, AND, AND I, I, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE STICK IN THE MUD, BUT I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THIS TO THE JULY 16TH, UH, 2025 HEARING HERE IN CITY HALL.
UH, THE PURPOSE FOR THE, UH, CONTINUANCE IS TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO RESOLVE WHERE THE GARAGE IS RELATIVE TO THE HOUSE.
THAT WAS A BIG PART OF OUR DISCUSSION DURING DESIGN REVIEW.
UM, AS WELL AS, UH, SOME SETBACK ISSUES APPARENTLY THAT STAFF HAS BROUGHT UP AND STRAIGHTENED OUT SOME FENCING ISSUES IN TERMS OF WHAT'S IN THE APPLICATION AND WHAT'S NOT AT IN THE APPLICATION.
UM, THAT MEETING WILL BE HELD AT 5:30 PM IN THIS ROOM BASED, BASED ON WHAT WAS SUBMITTED.
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION? I SECOND THAT BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIDE YARDS.
ESPECIALLY HOW CAN WE DECIDE WHERE THE HOUSE IS WITHOUT KNOWING THE SIDE YARDS YEAH.
ANY, ANY OTHER POINTS OF DISCUSSION ON THAT? DO, DO YOU JUST A, A QUESTION DISCUSSION.
SO DO YOU, DO YOU THINK AS A BOARD WE WANT TO POSTPONE OR I THINK THAT WE CAN CONDITION A MOTION TO, TO INCLUDE ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE CONDITIONS FOR, UH, AN MOTION FOR APPROVAL APPLICATION.
NOT TO PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH, BUT I THINK HE THINKS THE, THAT YEAH, WE WE'RE GOING END UP HEARING THIS TWICE.
SOMETHING'S GONNA COME OUT OF THAT.
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THE, THE, THE PROBLEM WITH TRYING TO CONDITION OUR WAYYEAH, NO, LIKE IF THE, IF THE NEIGHBOR DOES HIS FENCE OR IF HE DOESN'T DO THE FENCE, UH, YEAH, YEAH.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE TAKING THE FENCE OFF THE, UH, THE BACK FENCE OFF.
YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE SAME KIND OF AN ISSUE, GREG, UH, OR COMMISSIONER, BUT, BUT IF, IF YOU TAKE IT OFF, THEN YOU HAVE TO SUBSTITUTE SOMETHING IN.
SO WE WOULD BE APPROVING EXTENSION OF THEIR FENCE UNTIL, UNLESS THE NEIGHBOR DOES, AND THEN IT WOULD BE A YEAH, I THINK THAT PART OF IT IS PROBABLY CONDITIONAL, BUT I, I AGREE WITH TRIP.
SOME OF THE SETBACKS I'M A LITTLE BIT SQUEAMISH ON JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE, WHAT THOSE ACTUAL LOCATIONS ARE.
SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONDITIONED FOR SURE.
AND I DID HAVE A QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE THERE.
THE, THE PLACEMENT OF THE GARAGE, DOES THAT ALSO IMPACT WHERE THE BREEZEWAY IS AND HOW IT CONNECTS TO THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE AND THE SHED DORMERS WINDOWS.
I'M GOING CALL FOR VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
OKAY, WE'LL CONTINUE TO THE NEXT MEETING AND, AND IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF TO COME TO THE DESIGN REVIEW AGAIN WITH A GOOD HA HANDLE ON THE, ON THE LOOSE ENDS.
AT THE, AT THE OTHER PLACE? NOT HERE.
[4.C. 516 Pollock St. – to include window, door, and rear side porch modifications in the Secondary and Tertiary AVCs.]
FIVE 16 P*****K.THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR FIVE 16 P*****K STREET FOR JOSEPH AND SUSAN DISTEFANO AND LOCAL BUILDERS LLC.
AND, UH, THEY'VE PROVIDED VARIOUS INFORMATION ON THE APPLICATION WERE APPROPRIATE, UH, THE CHECK BOXES AS APPROPRIATE AND SIGNED AND DATED, UH, AND BOTH THE BOTH OWNERS AND CONTRACTOR ARE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, THE APPLICATION ALSO INCLUDES THIS, UH, LITTLE BIT OF EXPLANATION, UH, UH, ADDED INFORMATION THAT ALL MATERIAL IS TO BE NUMBER ONE, KDA PINE.
ALL MOLDINGS WILL BE EXACT REPLICATION OF EXISTING IN ALL ASPECTS.
UH, MINOR EXTERIOR CHANGES WILL BE IN THE SAME MATERIAL AS IS ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
AND NEW DOORS WILL BE ALL WOOD CONSTRUCTION PER THE PLANS.
ALRIGHT, SO AGAIN, TO PROVIDE THE AERIAL, UM, CONTEXT HERE, THIS PROJECT, UH, PRIMARILY IS JUST, UH, TO, UM, CHANGE SOME WINDOWS INTO DOORS AND, UH, ELEVATE SOME WINDOW SILLS AND THEN ALSO MODIFY THE, UH, REAR ENCLOSED PORCH INTO AN, UH, NEW OPEN PORCH AND RELOCATE THE STAIRWAYS FOR IT AND THE FENCE.
SO, UM, HERE WE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE SPACE AROUND THE HOUSE, UH, IS RATHER, RATHER GENEROUS, ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO ITS NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND IF WE NEED REFERENCE TO ANY OF THAT INFORMATION, WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT AND THAT'S A CLOSEUP OF THE ACTUAL IMMEDIATE PROXIMITY AND THE SITE ITSELF.
SO, UM, ALSO SOME, UH, REFERENCE AND CONTEXT PHOTOS OF THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE, UM, FROM THE CORNER.
UH, IT'S WELL KNOWN WITH THE TWO STORY, UH, COLUMNS HERE ON THE FRONT AND, UH, THE OVERALL APPEARANCE, UH, AND STYLE OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, I ALSO, UH, TOOK THIS PHOTOGRAPH HERE, UH, TO POINT OUT THE STORE DOES ACTUALLY HAVE SHUTTERS ON THE DOOR.
UM, SO I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE LAST TIME.
I CAN'T SEE IT THERE, SEE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO, OH, THIS IS THEN AS WE GO AROUND THE SIDE, THE PORT COSHER HERE ON THE RIGHT, UM, AND THE, UH, PORCH WRAPS AROUND FROM THE FRONT
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TO THE SIDE WITH ITS OWN SECOND SECONDARY OR ONE STORY ROOF ON OVER IT ON THIS SIDE.AND ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE BACK ON THIS PHOTOGRAPH YOU CAN'T SEE IT, UM, IS THE BACK PORCH THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, THIS IS ANOTHER ANGLE OF THAT SAME, AND YOU CAN START TO SEE THE BACK PORCH HERE BEHIND THE, FOR C AIR, UH, FROM THE STREET.
UH, AND THEN, UH, I DID NOTICE, UH, THAT BOTH OF THE, BOTH OF THESE, UH, I GUESS THIS WINDOW HERE BEHIND THE COLUMN HAD THE SHUTTERS ALREADY CLOSED.
AND THEN THIS DOORWAY HERE ALSO HAS SHUTTERS THAT ARE CLOSED.
UM, OTHERWISE EVERY WINDOW HAS SHUTTERS.
OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA SEE THE DRAWINGS.
SO THIS IS A DRAWING OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UH, EXISTING AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE NO CHANGES.
UH, THIS ACTUALLY FLATTENS EVERYTHING OUT.
THIS, 'CAUSE THIS IS THE PORT CO SHARE HERE, WHICH AS WE KNOW IS WE ACTUALLY PRETTY FAR BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE.
ALRIGHT, YES, HERE'S A GOOD ONE.
UM, WE WILL HEAR LATER ABOUT SOMETHING CALLED, UM, LOUVER VENTS ABOVE THE WINDOWS.
UM, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS UP HERE IN THE FREEZE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, UH, UM, I WANT TO POINT OUT NOW BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE A QUESTION IN SOMEBODY'S MIND LATER.
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING RIGHT ELEVATION, UH, WE SEE ON THAT, UH, SIDE, UH, THE, THE WRAPAROUND SIDE PORCH.
WE HAVE A, A SIDE PORCH ON THE RIGHT, THAT'S THE REAR SIDE PORCH.
AND THEN WE HAVE THIS SIDE, SIDE PORCH, I, ANYWAY, THE, UH, AT THE PORT CHE AND THE, UH, CURRENTLY THERE ARE TWO WINDOWS THERE SHOWN HERE.
UM, AND THEN THE EX, UH, THE ENCLOSED, UH, REAR ENCLOSED PORCH, UH, AND ITS STAIRWAY COMING OFF ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UH, SHOWN HERE EXISTING.
AND THEN THE PROPOSED FOR THIS ELEVATION, UH, IS TO CHANGE THOSE TWO WINDOWS INTO TWO DOORS WITH, WITH DORMERS IN ORDER TO, UH, FILL OUT THE EXISTING OPENING WITHOUT CHANGING THE OPENING IN ANY WAY.
UH, AND THEN, UH, ON THE REAR PORCH HERE, UH, A NUMBER OF THINGS ARE HAPPENING INCLUDING REMOVING THE, UH, ENCLOSURE PARTS, BUT, UH, MOVING THE STEPS FROM THE SIDE TO THE, IN THIS CASE, THE FRONT OF THE PORCH.
UH, ALSO, UH, RELOCATING THE FENCING THAT'S ALONG THERE, AND ALSO PUSHING THE ROOF OF THAT PORCH UP TO BE, UM, UH, SUCH SO THAT THE, UH, EVE MATCHES THE EVE OF THE ROOF, UH, IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO IT.
SO WE'LL COMPARE THAT WITH THIS ONE HERE, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, THEN ON THE BACK, SO IT'S FROM THE BACK, UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING REAR ELEVATION, UH, AND THEY'RE JUST POINTING TO A PART OF THE FENCE HERE.
WE'LL SEE THAT IN PLAN VIEW THOUGH, TO EXPLAIN THAT THERE'S, UM, ONE THING TO NOTE IS THIS PARTICULAR WINDOW HERE, UH, IT IS, UH, TO HAVE ITS SILL ELEVATED.
SO WE'LL SEE THAT IN A SECOND.
SO THERE, THE SILL IS ELEVATED, THE ROOF IS ELEVATED FOR THE PORCH.
UH, THE BALLISTERS HERE ARE, ARE SHOWN, UH, FOR THE NEW BALLISTERS FOR THE PORCH.
UH, FOR THE REAR PORCH ARE SHOWN HERE.
UH, THE SIDE VIEW OF THE STEPS, UM, FOR THAT PORCH.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, SHOWING NOW THE, UM, MORE OF THE FENCING THAT'S THERE.
HERE'S THE EXISTING SIDE ELEVATION THAT FACES, UH, METCALF STREET.
UH, AND, UH, WE'LL SEE THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY NO CHANGES TO BE DONE ON THIS ELEVATION.
SO THEN, UH, HERE'S OUR PLAN VIEW FOR THE FIRST FLOOR.
SO ON THE LEFT IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UH, OUT ALONG P*****K STREET.
AND THE TOP IS MET CAP STREET.
SO, UH, WE HAVE NO CHANGES ON THE FRONT FACADE AND ON THE SIDE HERE, IT SHOWS THE TWO DOORS THAT ARE TO BECOME, OR THE TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE TO BECOME TWO DOORS, UM, AT THE PORT, FRESH AIR THERE, THE PORCH THERE.
UH, AND THEN ON THAT ELEVATION, UH,
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THE CHANGES TO THE FRONT, TO THE, UH, ENCLOSED PORCH BECOMING A, UM, OPEN COVERED PORCH.AND THEN THE CHANGES TO THE FENCING HERE AS WELL.
THEY RELOCATING SOME OF THE PIECES AND EXTENDING, UH, MAKING IT, UH, A Z OR S TO THE, UH, PLAN VIEW OF THE FENCING.
WHEREAS RIGHT NOW IT JUST GOES STRAIGHT AHEAD INTO THE SIDE OF THE, UH, UH, PORCH.
AND NOW WE ALSO SEE AND PLAN VIEW THE, UH, STEPS FOR THE PORCH AND THE WALKWAY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PORCH.
AND SO THIS BECOMES A GATE HERE, WHICH WE SAW.
MAY MAYBE YOU REMEMBER SEEING THAT IN THE ELEVATION.
THERE'S A GATE HERE FOR THE, IN THE FENCE ALSO, UH, TO NOTE IS THE DOORS, UM, THE EXISTING DOORS FOR THE PORCH WILL BE REPLACED BY TWO DOORS THAT THEY'RE TAKING OUT OF THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE AND TURNING INTO TWO SWINGING, ESSENTIALLY FRENCH DOORS HERE FOR THE DINING ROOM AND THEN FOR THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, THE ONLY CHANGE ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS THAT, UH, THIS WINDOW ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, IS TO, THEY WILL BE CLOSING THE SHUTTERS AND THEN, UH, FILLING THE WINDOW BEHIND SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY ADD A WALL UP AGAINST THAT WINDOW.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE ON THE SECOND FLOOR RELEVANT TO US.
THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY SOME OTHER THINGS GOING ON INSIDE.
THEN THEY PROVIDED SOME PHOTOGRAPHS ALSO.
SO THESE ARE THE TWO WINDOWS AT THE PORT CRUSH AIR.
SO THOSE WOULD BE, WOULD BECOME TWO DOORS.
THIS IS THE EXISTING ENCLOSED PORCH.
UH, AND SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE STEPS ON THE LEFT INSTEAD OF THE FRONT.
UH, INSTEAD OF THE WHAT WILL NOW BE THE FRONT THE FENCE, UH, RUNNING INTO THE SIDE OF THE, UH, THING HAD TO BE, WILL BE MOVED.
SO THIS SECTION HERE GETS SHIFTED OVER TO THE ALIGN WITH THE CORNER AND THEN DOES, UH, A ZIGZAG ACROSS HERE.
SO, UM, WE MORE OF THE SAME IN A MINUTE.
ANOTHER ONE, THAT'S THE, AND THE THIRD ONE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY JUST A CLOSEUP.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE, IN, ESPECIALLY IN THIS CASE, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME, UH, DETAILS IN THE WOODWORK, UH, AROUND THE TOP, UH, AND THE COLUMNS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PORCH.
ALRIGHT, THESE ARE THE, THE DOUBLE DOORS TO BECOME, UH, THE FRENCH DOORS.
AND THEN, UH, FOR OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, UH, SAID IT HAS SAID THAT IT SEEMS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING PERMIT IS REQUIRED.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, SAYS THAT IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR STAFF REPORT.
THE OWNER OR THE REPRESENTATIVE, KAREN, COMMENT, YOU'RE POINTING AT EACH OTHER.
ARE THERE, UH, PROPONENTS OR OPPONENTS TO THIS PROJECT? WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD? WHO MEET THE, THE GUIDELINES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IN THE MEETING? HEARING NONE.
SO, FOR THE STAFF REPORT FOR FIVE 16 P*****K STREET, UH, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME AND DATE IS THE CHARLES T. WATSON HOUSE, UH, FIRST BUILT IN 1882, AND THEN REMODELED OR REVISED IN 1915.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003 INDICATES THAT THIS IS AN ITALIAN EIGHT STYLE.
TWO STORIES, THREE BAYS WIDE, TWO BAYS DEEP, TWO STORY BAY WINDOW IN THE WEST ELEVATION, FULL HEIGHT FRONT PORTICO, ONE STORY SIDE PORCH VENTS, BRACKETS IN FREEZE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, BUT IS THAT,
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THEN THERE'S THE LOW PITCHED HIP ROOF, INTERIOR CHIMNEY, AND A ONE STORY REAR WING FOR SAND BECK.UH, THERE, HIS DESCRIPTION IN 1988, UH, WAS, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, DESCRIPTIVE, BUILT IN 1882, AND GIVEN ITS MONUMENTAL PORTICO OF CIRCA 1915, THE CHARLES T. WATSON HOUSE IS A LONE BUT PROUD SURVIVOR STANDING ON A PORTION OF P*****K STREET, ONCE LINED BY TURN OF THE CENTURY, HOUSES BELONGING TO PROSPEROUS MERCHANTS OF THE PERIOD.
THE ITALIANATE STYLE MAIN BLOCK OF THE HOUSE WAS BUILT FOR CHARLES THOMAS WATSON, A PROMINENT DEALER AND FISH OYSTERS, TURTLES, AND COUNTRY PRODUCE BETWEEN 1893 AND 19 18 98, WATSON ADDED TWO STORY PORCHES WITH SIMILAR SONG WORK ORNAMENT ACROSS THE FRONT AND ALONG BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE, CREATING A WONDERFUL GALLERY EFFECT.
IT WAS CIRCA 1915 THAT THE PRESENT NEOCLASSICAL STYLE PORTICO SIDE PORCHES, AND PORT CHER WERE ADDED.
THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE DISPLAYS A DISPLAYS A THREE BAY FACADE OF ALL WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS, CAPPED BY MOLDED HOODS, CHARACTERISTIC OF NEW BERN'S.
BLUEBIRD VENTILATORS APPEAR IN THE FREEZE OF THE BRECK DEAD CORNICE ABOVE EACH WINDOW OPENING.
THE PORTICO CORNICE HAS BLOCKED IONS WHILE THE SMALLER SIDE PORCHES HAVE SIMPLER DENTAL CORNICES.
THESE LATER PORCHES ARE SUPPORTED BY PLAIN TUSCAN ORDER COLUMNS AND HAVE TURNED BALLAST STADE TO THE REAR IS THE ORIGINAL ONE STORY KITCHEN, AND IT'S BREEZEWAY THE LADDER NOW ENCLOSED.
THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE WINDOW DOOR AND REAR SIDE PORCH MODIFICATIONS IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.
STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.
2.5, ONE AND THREE FOR MODIFICATIONS.
3.2, 1, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE FOR FOUNDATIONS.
4.1, TWO AND THREE FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.21 FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.33 AND FOUR FOR ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.1, TWO AND FOUR FOR ROOFS, 4.5 0.4 FOR MASONRY, 5.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX FOR WOOD.
5.2, 0.1 FOR PAINT, 5.4, 0.1, 2, 3, 4, 6, AND EIGHT FOR MASONRY MAINTENANCE, 6.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR WOOD MAINTENANCE, 6, 5, 6, AND SEVEN PER PARENT MAINTENANCE.
AND PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT IS 6.2, 0.2, THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE STATEMENTS A REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT.
R ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT LEAD DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS REPLACEMENTS OF WINDOWS WITH DOORS CLOSING ONE WINDOW, WINDOW SILL RAISING CONVERSION OF THE ENCLOSED REAR PORCH INTO AN OPEN PORCH.
RELOCATION OF THE PORCH STEPS, RAISING THE PORCH, ROOF AND FENCING, REALIGNMENT, CONSTRUCTION, ALL IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH GUIDELINES.
HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE REVISED PLANS AND ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING, SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
THAT'S THE END OF OUR STAFF REPORT.
IT'S A VERY CAREFUL THANK YOU.
UH, NICE MODIFICATION TO BRING SOME MODERN CONVENIENCES, BUT WITHOUT CHANGING REALLY THE APPEARANCE OF THE HOUSE.
WHEN YOU SAY SHORTEN THE WINDOW, ARE YOU ACTUALLY REBUILDING THAT SAME WINDOW OR IS IT A NEW WOOD WINDOW? IT'S GONNA BE THAT SAME WINDOW.
AND GO AHEAD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF IF THINGS CAN BE THE SAME EXCEPT THE SIZE, IT'S JUST GONNA BE PROPORTIONAL OF THE S THANK YOU.
AND MR. CHAIR, IF WE COULD HAVE HIM IDENTIFY HIMSELF FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
COULD, COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF?
WHAT'S THIS GUY? YOU GOTTA F**K OUT.
I SAID I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS, GUY.
WHAT'S YOUR NAME? UH, JOSE MAG.
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NO, I'M KIDDING.YOU GOTTA BE OVER BETTER THAN THAT GUY.
AND WHEN WAS THE EXISTING HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS? LOVELY NOVATION HERE.
HIM CERTAINLY A SIGNATURE HOUSE.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR FIVE 16 P*****K STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW'S.
CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 4 11 15, 429.
AND NEW'S, HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, FENCES IN GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 AND THREE, MODIFICATIONS FOR 3.1, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE FOUNDATIONS, 4.1, TWO AND THREE WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.1, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
MASONRY, 5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX.
WOOD, 5.21, PAINT, 5.4, 0.1, 2, 3, 4, 6, AND EIGHT.
MASONRY MAINTENANCE, 6.23 AND FOUR.
WOOD MAINTENANCE, 6.56 AND SEVEN.
PAINT MAINTENANCE, 6.1, POINT 12 AND 13.
AND PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
6.2, 6.2 0.2, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE.
FINDINGS OF FACT THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
PROJECT IS REPLACEMENTS OF WINDOWS WITH DOORS CLOSING ONE WINDOW, WINDOW SILL RAISING CONVERSION OF THE ENCLOSED REAR PORCH INTO AN OPEN PORCH.
RELOCATION OF THE PORCH STEPS, RAISING THE PORCH, ROOF AND FENCING, REALIGNMENT, CONSTRUCTION, ALL IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING.
ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE.
UH, ANOTHER MOTION FOR THE ISSUANCE OF THE COA.
DO WE ISSUE A COA FOR THE PROJECT? ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE.
OPPOSED? HEARING NONE ISSUE OF THE COA.
I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU AND I WANNA SAY THAT WE APPRECIATE, UM, YOU ALL GIVING YOUR TIME AND YOUR TALENTS AND YOUR WISDOM TO KEEP THIS TIME WHAT IT'S, THANK YOU.
[4.D. 216 Johnson St. – to include replacing porch screens and door with new wood windows and a door in the Primary AVC.]
JOHNSON.ALRIGHT, HERE IS THE APPLICATION FOR TWO 16 JOHNSON FOR CURTIS CML AND TRACY CML AND LOCAL BUILDERS LLC AGAIN.
UH, SO IN THIS CASE, THE PROJECT IS TO REMOVE SCREENS IN THE ARCHE IN THE ARCHES OF A, UM, SCREENED IN PORCH AND INSTALL NEW SOLID WOOD WINDOWS AND SOME WOOD PANELS, WHICH I ALSO DESCRIBED HERE ON NUMBER THREE.
UH, AND THERE'S ALSO A DOOR, UH, THAT'S ALSO, UH, PART OF THE PROJECT.
ALRIGHT, UH, THEY'VE CHECKED OFF ALL THE BOXES, THEY'VE SIGNED THE DOCUMENT AND DATED, UM, AND THE OWNER AND THE CONTRACTOR ARE HERE TODAY.
SO, UH, THESE ARE PHOTOS FROM THE APPLICANT.
UH, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PORCH HERE THAT'S CURRENTLY SCREENED IN AND THESE THREE LARGE ARCHES AND THEN AROUND THE CORNER, WE'LL SEE IN A SECOND.
UH, ALSO, SO AROUND THE CORNER IS HERE ON THE LEFT.
SO THERE'S A SMALLER ARCHED, UH, OPENING HERE, PLUS A, UH, A DOORWAY, UH, THAT ARE ALSO PART OF THE PROJECT.
UM, AND THAT'S ENLARGED AND BRIGHTENED.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE IS AN ARCH IN THE BOTH OF THOSE OPENINGS.
ALRIGHT, SO THEY PROVIDED SOME CLOSER UP PHOTOS, SHOWING SOME MORE OF THE DETAILS, INCLUDING LIKE THIS BRICK, UH, SILT AT THE BOTTOM.
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AND THEN THEY PROVIDED A SKETCH OF THE, UM, PROJECT HERE.SO THIS IS THAT GABLE END OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THEY'RE SHOWING, UM, UH, THE, UM, ARCHED WINDOWS ARE FIXED WINDOWS, WHEREAS THE, UM, I'M GONNA SAY THE MIDDLE SECTION HERE, UH, THESE ARE CASEMENT WINDOWS, WOOD, CASEMENT WINDOWS.
AND THEN THE WOOD PANELS THAT I REFERRED TO ARE DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM AND REFERENCED IN, I THINK OTHER SKETCH, UH, NO.
SO, UM, AGAIN, ON THE SAME, SAME UH, APPROACH ON THE OTHER SIDE HERE, ALTHOUGH WITH SMALLER WINDOWS AND SMALLER PANELS, UH, AND THE DOOR WILL BE REPLACED WITH A NEW WOOD DOOR WITH A TRANSOM.
AND THE, THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL DESCRIPTION TO HELP, UH, WITH THE DETAILS OF THAT PROPOSAL.
THE WINDOWS WILL BE 18 INCHES OFF THE EXISTING FLOOR.
UH, AND THIS AREA WILL BE A WOOD PANEL WITH PERIOD APPROPRIATE TRIM.
THERE WILL BE TWO EQUAL PARTS UNDER EQUAL PANEL, SORRY, UNDER EACH UNIT, UH, THE SIDE DOOR IS A SIMPLE WOOD FULL VIEW DOOR.
AND THE ENSEMBLE WILL BE FULL VIEW HALF ROUND ABOVE THE DOOR ALSO WOULD.
ALRIGHT, SO THEN THEY PROVIDED THE DETAILS ABOUT THE WINDOWS, UM, USING THE, UM, THE ORDER FORM OR THE ORDER PRINTOUT FOR THE WINDOWS.
AND A COUPLE OF THINGS TO SEE IS WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, NUMBER ONE HERE SAYS IT'S A, UH, LEFT CASEMENT NUMBER TWO IS A RIGHT CASEMENT.
AND NUMBER THREE IS THE FIXED SASH SET HALF CIRCLE.
SO EACH ONE OF THOSE WILL BE, UM, ONE OPERATING WINDOW ON THE LEFT, ONE ON THE RIGHT AND ONE FIXED WINDOW OVER THE TOP.
AND A CASEMENT MEANS THAT'S THE ONES WHERE YOU CRANK THEM OPEN WITH THE CRANK ON THE BOTTOM AND THEY, AND THEY OPEN LIKE A DOOR.
AND THEN AGAIN ON THE, WHERE THE, THE NEXT TO THE DOOR, UM, IT'S A SINGLE, UH, SINGLE ONE.
IT'S REMOVABLE CASEMENT NUMBER ONE, IT'S A CASEMENT.
AND THE NUMBER TWO IS THEN THE HALF CIRCLE.
UH, THEN THE DOOR ITSELF, UH, IS AN IN SWINGING DOOR.
OH, AND I FORGOT TO GO OVER THE, THE, UH, MATERIALS ON THESE.
SO THIS ONE STANDARD WOOD PINE, UM, UH, PRIMED, UM, TALKS ABOUT THE GLASS HAS NO SCREENING.
UH, THAT MIGHT BE ABOUT ALL WE MIGHT CARE ABOUT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT.
SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE OTHER ONES TO MAKE SURE YOU SEE THAT.
UH, THESE WINDOWS ARE, ARE, UH, TO BE WOOD, UH, AND IN THIS CASE PINE WOOD.
UM, AND IN THE CASE OF THE HALF CIRCLE, IT'S ALSO WOOD.
SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE SAME FOR THE OTHER ONES.
HERE WE HAVE WOOD, WOOD AND WOOD.
OH, AND THAT'S THE HALF CIRCLE OVER THE DOOR.
ALRIGHT, SO THEN WE'RE, OH, NOT SORRY.
WE HAVE THE INSPECTIONS, UH, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS.
ZONING, UH, SAYS IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING PERMIT IS NOT REQUIRED.
AND CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS INDICATED THAT A BUILDING PERMIT IS NOT REQUIRED.
AND WE'RE READY WITH OUR STAFF REPORT.
THE OWNER OR THE REP HERE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT COME UP? YEAH.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO WHAT MATT SAID? NO, EVERYTHING, JUST LIKE WE SHOWED THERE.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE, MY DRAWING WASN'T AS ACCURATE AS THE PICTURES FOR POLO ORIGINALLY.
WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A CENTER MALL, BUT THEY COULD DESIGN IT SO THAT IT'S ONE BIG PRETTY YOU MEANT, YOU MEAN THE ARCH? THE ARCH ONE? YEAH.
THAT'S CHANGED AFTER WE MADE, THEY ACTUALLY SENT IT TO DESIGN.
ARE ARE THE, ARE THE CASEMENTS STILL? YEAH, EVERYTHING'S THE SAME.
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OKAY.IT'S ACCURATE IN THE SECOND PICTURE, RIGHT? SAY THAT, UM, THE ONE THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN NOW, YOU, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE DIVIDE.
YEAH, THAT OKAY? JUST THE WINDS HAVE ONE HALF.
ARE THERE ANY PROPONENTS OR OPPONENTS OF THIS, UH, PROJECT WHO WOULD CARE TO BE WHO ARE, UH, AUTHORIZED AND WHO CARE TO COMMENT? SEEING NONE.
ALRIGHT, SO THE STAFF REPORT FOR TWO 16 JOHNSON STREET.
UH, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE SECOND DR. WILLIAM HAN, SENIOR HOUSE BUILT IN 1926.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
UH, THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003, UH, DESCRIBES IT AS TWO STORIES.
BRICK FOUR BAYS WIDE WITH A RECESSED PORCH IN THE LEFT BAY AND TALL FLEMISH GABLE ENTRANCE BAY, THE GA ROOF AND INSET, AND SHED DORMERS FOR SANDBAG IN 1988, UM, HE SAYS, DR.
HAN'S SECOND JOHNSON STREET RESIDENCE BUILT 1925 TO 1926 DISPLAYS A PICTURESQUE GALE ROOF LINE AND A HOST OF OTHER WELL DETAILED COLONIAL REVIVAL ELEMENTS, WHICH MAKE IT ONE OF THE CITY'S FINEST.
EXAMPLES OF THE STYLE NOTABLE COLONIAL REVIVAL.
HAN'S HOUSE INCLUDE A PROMINENT GA ROOFED PROJECTING ENTRANCE BAG, A CLASSICAL ARCHED SOFFIT, PORTICO, AND PALLADIAN AND LUNETTE WINDOWS IN THE GABLE ENDS INCORPORATED IN THE WEST END OF THE HOUSE IS A CHARMING ARCADED PORCH WITH ROOMS ABOVE.
SO FOR TWO 16 JOHNSON STREET, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE REPLACING THE PORT SCREENS AND DOOR WITH THE NEW WOOD WINDOWS AND A DOOR IN THE PRIMARY A, B, C.
SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING.
HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR MODIFICATIONS.
3.2, 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FIVE FOR WALLS, TWO, FOUR POINT TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION.
4.2 0.1 FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.1 AND THREE FOR ENTRANCES.
4.4 0.1 FOR MASONRY, 5.1 0.1 FOR WOOD, 5.2 0.1, AND FOR PAINT, 5.4 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.
UH, STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STATS JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS REPLACEMENTS OF PORCH SCREENS WITH WOOD PANELS AT THE BOTTOM AND WINDOWS ABOVE THE PANELS AND A NEW WOOD DOOR.
THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE REVISED PLANS, ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
QUESTIONS? ANYONE? ALEXIS, I NEED YOUR HELP.
UH, MATT, CAN WE GO UP TO THE SKETCHES? ONE MORE.
SO I'M, I'M CLEAR THAT THE VERTICAL IS NOT IN THE HALF ROUND WINDOW AT THE HEAD.
BUT I SEE FOUR CASEMENT WINDOWS UNDERNEATH THERE.
I SEE BIG OPENING BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY HAD TO HAVE TWO LEAKS, BUT THE DRAWINGS PROPELLED.
EVIDENTLY THEY DESIGNED THEM TO BE LIKE DRAWINGS.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DO WE NEED TO REMOVE YOUR SKETCH FROM THE APPLICATION? I CAN DO THAT.
OR DO WE NEED TO REMOVE THE P CUT SHEET FROM THE WELL, I'LL DO MY SKETCH.
AND THEN IF YOU WANT, I COULD REDO THAT WANT OR, OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO REDO IT JUST FOR CLARITY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'D BE APPROPRIATE AS WELL.
BUT I GUESS FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION THOUGH, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OFF THIS SKETCH HERE.
THE SECOND SKETCH APPEARS TO BE CORRECT? CORRECT.
THE, THE ONE ON THE, ON THE FRONT.
SO DOES THAT APPLY TO THE CUT SHEET, WHICH SHOWS A DIVIDED TWO WINDOWS? I BELIEVE IT WAS THE FIRST CUT SHEET.
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SO IT, IT APPEARS TO ME, GIVEN THE DIMENSIONS ON THE ROUGH OPENING 78 BY 95 AND CHANGE, THAT'S THOSE, THAT'S THE LARGE IT'S OPENING YEAH.SO THERE'S REALLY JUST ONE FIXED AND TWO CASE, CORRECT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S IT'S A BIG WINDOW.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? NO, IT, IT MAINTAINS THE REALLY THE, THE APPEARANCE OF THE HOUSE WITH IMPROVING THE LIVABILITY.
ACTUALLY IT'S BETTER BECAUSE IT LOOKS MORE MINIMAL THAN HAVING A BUNCH OF MEMBERS GOING THROUGH THERE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO, UH, JUST, JUST A, A CLARIFICATION, UH, SO THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE OF IT.
UH, FOUR FOUR DASH EIGHT PAGE FOUR DASH EIGHT.
IT DOES, UH, REFERENCE, UH, THERE IS A REFERENCE THAT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO ENCLOSE GREEN PORCHES, THE PRIMARY A, B, C.
UH, WE TYPICALLY, IF, IF A PORCH IS ALREADY EVEN ENCLOSED, WHICH THIS ONE HAS, UH, WE DON'T REQUIRE IT BE UNDONE.
AND I THINK IN THIS CASE, UH, THE NEW ENCLOSURE IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE? UM, I'LL MOVE.
UM, I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR THE PROJECT AT TWO 16 JOHNSON STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BERN'S CODE OF ORDINANCES.
SECTIONS 15 4 1 1 THROUGH 15 4 2 9 AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDING OF FACT FINDINGS EFFECT, UM, MODIFICATIONS 3.23 AND FIVE WALLS, ATIONS 4.21, WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.31 AND 4.3 0.3 ENTRANCES 4.4 0.1, MASONRY WOOD PAINT.
UH, FINDINGS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IS THAT THE PROJECT AT THIS ADDRESS IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS A REPLACEMENT OF PORCH CREAMS WITH WOOD PANELS AT THE BOTTOM AND GLASS WINDOWS ABOVE THE PANELS AND INSTALLATION OF A NEW WOOD DOOR.
THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES WITH THE ONLY CONDITION THAT THE WINDOWS, UM, ARE AS ON THE CUT SHEETS AND NOT AS PROVIDED IN THE SKETCH, IN THE APPLICATION.
AND HOW DO THAT AND, AND THAT THE, AND THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE REVISED SCHEDULE REVISED SKETCHES PRIOR TO THE WORK BEGINNING.
WE APPROVE THIS APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITIONS NOTED.
[4.E. 500 Queen St. – to include a new infill 2-story building with a 2-story detached garage and a parking lot.]
500 QUEEN.I'M GONNA SAY THAT WAS TIM THAT DID THE MOTION RIGHT.
THE MOTION TO THE APPLICATION.
NO, BUT I MEAN THE, UH, FOR THE COA, THE MOTION TO ISSUE CO A THAT WAS TIM.
AND SO MANY JIM DID TIM SECOND.
OKAY, SO OUR NEXT APPLICATION IS 500 QUEEN STREET.
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ALRIGHT, THIS IS THE APPLICATION AND THE OWNER IS DION KING AND THE A THE, UH, ALSO SPECTRUM CUSTOM BUILDERS, WHICH ARE HAMMOND.AND, UH, THEY PROVIDED ALL THE OTHER INFORMATION AS ATTACHED IN THE DRAWINGS.
OTHER ATTACHMENTS, UH, THEY CHECKED OFF THE BOXES AND THEY'RE ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER.
SO WE HAVE, UH, UH, MR. HAMMOND HAS SIGNED HERE.
AND THIS IS THE, UH, OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION FORM, UH, AUTHORIZED REPRESENT THE OWNER, SIGNED AND, UH, NOTARIZED.
AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION HERE PROVIDED BY THE ARCHITECT.
UH, SO, UH, FILLING OUT THE, ESSENTIALLY FILLING OUT THE APPLICATION WITH THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION, THE VARIOUS DESIGN GUIDELINES.
UH, AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE, AND THEN THE MATERIALS ARE ALL IN THE DRAWINGS.
WE HAVE THE VERY LARGE, UH, VACANT LOT THAT IS ACROSS THE, UH, TRACKS FROM THE, UH, UH, TRAIN DEPOT, UH, AND ALSO ALONG THE SIDE OF, UM, PASTOR STREET THERE.
IN ADDITION OF, OF COURSE BEING ON QUEEN STREET.
BUT IT ALSO HAS A FRONTAGE ALONG THIS, UH, PUBLIC ALLEY OVER HERE ON THE SIDE, UH, CALLED COOL STREET.
SO, AND IT HAS A VERY STRANGE, UH, CORNER CUTOFF AT AN ANGLE, UH, DUE TO SOME SUBDIVISION, STRANGE SUBDIVISION THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
I THINK RAILROAD TRACKS MIGHT WENT THROUGH THERE ORIGINALLY.
BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO SEE, SEE TRACKS ON MAPS ANYWHERE.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, IT MAKES SENSE THOUGH THAT IT WOULD BE.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS A MAP WE'VE SEEN SEVERAL TIMES NOW, UH, DEMONSTRATE ONE, THE PINK AREA IS THE HISTORIC, UM, DISTRICT.
UH, AND, UH, THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN, FULLY WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AS WELL AS THAT LITTLE, UH, SLIVER IN THE BACK.
UM, SO, UM, LATER ON WE'LL GET A REPRIEVE FROM A, UH, A HISTORIC DESCRIPTION.
SO, UM, I WANTED TO SHOW, UH, SOME SANBORN MAPS, WHICH SHOW THE USE OF THE PROPERTY IN THE PAST.
AND THIS HAPPENS TO BE, UH, FROM, UH, 1898.
UH, THIS MAP SHOWS THAT THAT PARTICULAR LOT HAD ON THE CORNER.
'CAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE TRACKS HERE AND QUEEN STREET AT THE BOTTOM AND PASTORE STREET ON THE UPPER, ON THE UPPER PART HERE.
UH, IT'S A GROCERY STORE, A SALOON, A POOL HALL, AN OFFICE, A DWELLING, A SOMETHING VACANT, LOOKS LIKE A STORE.
AND ANOTHER DWELLING ALONG PASTORE PAST TOUR.
UH, AND ALSO THEY HAD LIKE THE GOOD OLD WESTERN, UH, DAYS, UH, PORCHES OUT THE FRONT IN THE STREET, RIGHT, AT LEAST ALONG THE FIRST THREE HERE.
AND THEN ALSO THAT VACANT ONE, THEN ALONG QUEEN STREET, UM, THAT THIS IS BEFORE THE ROAN HOTEL WAS BUILT, UH, QUITE A BIT BEFORE THAT.
THERE WAS A DWELLING SET BACK A LITTLE BIT.
THEN THERE WAS A, A MEAT SHOP, ALSO KNOWN AS A BUTCHER, A RESTAURANT, ANOTHER LITTLE RESTAURANT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE BOTH TINY LITTLE RESTAURANTS AND A DWELLING ON THE CORNER OF WHAT WAS THEN CALLED JERKIN ALLEY.
AND THESE TWO ALSO HAD THAT PORCH OUT ON THE STREET RIGHT AWAY.
SO, UM, UH, JUST THOUGHT AS INTERESTING, UH, CONTEXT, HISTORIC CONTEXT, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT ACROSS THE QUEEN STREET WAS ALSO ANOTHER SALOON OVER HERE.
AND THE NUMBER TWO REPRESENTS HOW MANY STORIES.
SO THIS IS A TWO STORY BUILDING WITH A ONE STORY ADDITION ON THE BACK.
SO THESE ARE, UH, UH, LET'S SEE.
THIS IS A ONE STORY BUILDING GROCERY STORE, UH, THE ONE STORY SALOON, BUT THERE'S A ONE AND A HALF STORY POOL HALL, UH, AND THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE ALL ONE STORY.
SO, UH, THAT WAS 1898, RIGHT? 1904.
UH, I GUESS THE SALOON WAS DOING BETTER THAN THE GROCERY STORE.
SO THEY, UH, THE SALOON'S NOW TWICE AS BIG AND THE GROCERY STORE HAS MOVED BACK FROM THE CORNER.
UH, AND, UM, BUT WE STILL HAVE THAT PORCH OUT FRONT.
THEN WE HAVE OTHER, UH, JEWELRY STORE, A RESTAURANT, AND A BARBER SHOP.
AND THEN THAT THING IS STILL VACANT AND THE DWELLINGS ARE STILL THERE.
TWO OF THE RESTAURANTS ARE HERE, BUT THE OTHER ONE IS GONE AND DWELLING.
AND NOW THE SALOON OVER HERE IS TURNED INTO A GROCERY STORE.
ALRIGHT, THEN IN 1908, UM, GIVING A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT HERE, UM, THE
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TRAIN STATION ACTUALLY HAS, UH, ADDED THIS VERY LARGE, UM, UH, TRAIN SHED PORTION TO IT.UH, PASSENGER STATION IS ONLY THE SMALL WOODEN ONE.
THE, THE BRICK ONE WE HAVE TODAY HAS NOT BEEN BUILT.
UH, AND THE CORNER OF THIS LOT WAS A CONFECTIONARY, A RESTAURANT, LEMME A CONFECTIONARY, A RESTAURANT VACANT, A JEWELRY SHOP, AND A, A DWELLING AND A TAILOR.
AND THEN THERE WAS A BOARDING HOUSE, A LITTLE BIT FARTHER BACK, A DWELLING AND SOME RUINS OF A FIRE.
MEANWHILE, ALONG QUEEN STREET, UH, THERE'S NOW SOMEWHAT ELABORATE, UH, DWELLING NEXT TO THE, THAT BUILDING.
AND THEN WHERE THE ROME HOTEL IS, UH, IS A DWELLING AND A RESTAURANT ATTACHED TO THE SIDE OF IT.
MEANWHILE, FARTHER DOWN, WE HAVE A GROCERY STORE, SOMETHING ELSE, RESTAURANT, DRY GOODS, A BUNCH OF STORES ALL ALONG QUEEN STREET.
THIS IS ALL BECAUSE TRAIN STATION WAS, UH, WHERE PEOPLE ARRIVED INTO TOWN, RIGHT? THERE WE GO.
OH, THAT WAS THE ORANGE MAN I WAS LOOKING FOR.
AND IN FACT, THERE WAS A POLICE STATION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET NEXT TO THE TRACKS.
UM, SO THEN BY I MISSED THE YEAR 1913, THE, UH, NOW BRICK, UH, TRAIN STATION HAS BEEN BUILT WITH THE, UM, THE OVERHANGS FOR PEOPLE TO, UH, HANG OUT AND WAIT FOR THEIR, UH, TRAIN.
AND THEN THE PROPERTY ITSELF, I THINK, YES, I HAVE ANOTHER ENLARGEMENT HERE.
AGAIN, IT'S A CONFECTIONARY RESTAURANT, THE VACANT RESTAURANT, PRESSING GLOVE, WHICH I THINK IS FOR IRONING CLOTHES AND A SHOE SHINING PARLOR.
MEANWHILE, THAT ELABORATE HOUSE HAS NOW ADDED ITS OWN RESTAURANT, UH, IN ITS FRONT YARD.
AND THEN THERE'S THE 1922 FIRE, UH, WIPED OUT EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE TRAIN STATION ITSELF.
SO REBUILDING IN 1924, JUST TWO YEARS LATER, WE SEE, UM, A VERY LARGE, UH, AND RED MEANS, UH, IT'S MADE OF BRICK, VERY LARGE BRICK STRUCTURE WITH, UH, MANY, MANY SHOPS ALL ALONG HERE.
UH, THEY DO HAVE THE CLEANING AND PRESSING HERE, AND THEY HAVE A PACKING ROOM IN THE BACK.
UH, AND THE ROME HOTEL HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
AND THIS BUILDING IS A TWO STORY BUILDING.
NOW ALL THE WAY AROUND, UH, EXCEPT FOR THE PACKING, PACKING ROOM IS ONE STORY.
THE WRONG HOTEL IS TWO STORIES.
UH, IT'S A REVISION ON THE 1931 MAP.
UH, AND SO THIS IS THAT, UH, BRICK BUILDING, WHICH HAS NOW BEEN MODIFIED TO BECOME THE FREDERICK TAILORING COMPANY, UH, CLOTHING MANUFACTURINGS, UH, FACILITY.
THE ENTIRE THING THEY'VE ADDED, THEY'VE FILLED IN THE U-SHAPE WITH, UH, CONCRETE BLOCK STRUCTURE.
UH, AND THIS, UH, I DON'T KNOW, SOME PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS WAS FOR, UM, UH, SEWING PANTS, CREATING MANUFACTURING PANTS FOR THIS FREDERICK TAILORING COMPANY, UH, OUT OF NEW YORK CITY.
SO, UM, HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENED ON THIS SITE OVER THE YEARS.
THAT WAS THEN TORN DOWN, I THINK IN THE SEVENTIES OR EIGHTIES.
AND NOW WE HAVE TODAY, EVER SINCE THEN, A BLANK SIGHT.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE VARIOUS, UM, ANGLES AND VIEWS OF THIS SITE, THIS SOMEWHAT BIGGER WHERE IT IS TODAY.
UM, AS WE LOOK DOWN THE, UH, THE STREET, UH, CURB AND YOU SEE OUR MEMORIAL SIGN FOR THE EBENEZER PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH HERE, WHICH WAS WAY AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, ALSO THERE'S A SECTION OF THE STREET WHERE THERE'S NO PARKING, UH, IN FRONT OF THE RONAN HOTEL BECAUSE OF THE SITE ANGLES NEEDED FOR COMING OUT OF THE COOL STREET.
UH, THEN THIS IS A FEW LONG COOL STREET WITH THE RONAN HOTEL HERE, THE CORNER OF IT HERE.
BUT THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, COMES UP TO THE EDGE OF THE, THE STREET HERE OR THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THIS STREET.
UH, THEN, UH, LOOKING ACROSS THE PROPERTY OR THE SITE FROM THAT CORNER, UM, ESSENTIALLY THEY HAD TAPED OFF, UH, TO GET AN IDEA WHERE THE
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PROPERTY LINE IS, UH, AT THAT LOCATION COMES ACROSS ON THIS SIDE OF THE TREE.SO THE TREE IS APPARENTLY ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THEN, UH, FURTHER GOING FURTHER DOWN, COOL, AND LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE REST OF THE PROPERTY AND NOW CROSSING ACROSS THE PROPERTY, UM, SEEING THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE ROOM MOTEL TO, UM, THE SPACE THAT'S OVER HERE ON THE LEFT AND ALSO ON THE RIGHT AND THE LOCATION OF THIS LARGE TREE AND BACK THAT ANGLE.
BUT, AND THEN, UH, ONCE YOU GET TO, UH, PAST STREET, LOOKING BACK UP PAST STREET TO THE OTHER HOUSES THAT BECOME THE REFERENCE FOR THE, UH, SETBACK, WHICH YOU HAVE TO ZOOM INTO QUITE A BIT.
THERE'S THE, UH, YOU GUYS CALL 'EM SEVEN SISTERS.
UM, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE IN FRONT BEFORE THAT, AND IT'S AROUND IN THIS LOCATION, UH, EITHER WHERE THIS HOUSE IS OR IN THE GRASS HERE, WHERE THE EBENEZER CHURCH WAS.
AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT, UH, WE HAVE A GRASS STRIP HERE, UM, AT THIS END OF THE PROPERTY OR AT THIS END OF THE STREET.
BUT, UH, STARTING RIGHT HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PHOTO, UM, IT'S BEEN PAVED AND THERE'S NO CURB.
AND THIS WAS TAKEN LAST WEEK FOR MONDAY OR SOMETHING.
SO LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE GOT.
AND THEN, OKAY, LOOKING BACK FROM THAT SPOT BACK TO THE CORNER AGAIN, BACK TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
ALRIGHT, WELL, I BELIEVE WE CAN START WITH THE DRAWINGS.
UM, THIS ONE WAS JUST SUBMITTED TODAY, UH, TO INCLUDE DIMENSIONS BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY LINES.
UM, BUT IT ALS BUT IT STILL INCLUDES THE, UM, YET TO BE UPDATED, UM, PARCEL, UH, UH, PLOT PLAN.
SO, UH, THAT'S A SIMILAR STORY TO THE ONE ON NATIONAL AVENUE.
THE, UH, THE, UM, SURVEYOR, UH, COULDN'T GET TO UPDATING THAT.
UH, HOWEVER, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME OF THE INFORMATION ON THIS ONE RELATED TO THE SETBACK.
SO, UM, ALONG QUEEN STREET, IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS, UH, THAT THE PROPOSAL, UH, IS, UH, IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING NEXT TO IT.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, NOT AN ISSUE.
UH, THEN, HOWEVER, WHAT IS THE SETBACK FROM THE SIX SISTERS AND THE OTHER HOUSE, UH, ALL THE WAY DOWN THE BLOCK.
SO THEY'VE EXTENDED THE LINES OF THE FACADES OF THOSE BUILDINGS, UH, DOWN HERE IN THIS GREEN DASHED LINE.
AND SO 8 43 PASTOR IS THIS ONE.
THE NEXT ONE OVER IS 8 39 PASTOR, AND THE LAST ONE IS 8 47 PAST DOOR, UH, WHICH ACTUALLY IS EVEN OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, SO AS LONG AS THIS CORNER BACK HERE IN THE CORNER, THAT'S DIMENSION HERE AT NINE FEET IS WITHIN, UH, THE FARTHEST, UH, GREEN DASH LINE AND THE CLOSEST GREEN DASH LINE, UM, THAT WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE.
ALRIGHT, SO OTHER THAN THAT, THE, UM, WE DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE SETBACK IS GOING, IS NEEDING TO BE HERE ON THIS SIDE, UH, FOR A COMMERCIAL USE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IN THE C TWO HISTOR, C TWO DISTRICT, UM, UH, IS TO BE 20 FEET.
SO, UH, WE MIGHT BE HAVING AN ISSUE HERE, UH, WITH THE 15 OR THE 13.
UH, AND WE ALSO THINK THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF, THE GROWN HOTEL BUILDING IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE, NOT TWO FEET AWAY.
SO THOSE HAVE YET TO BE SURVEYED IN ORDER TO GET THE ACTUAL NUMBERS THAT WE, UH, THAT WE, UH, EXPECT.
THEN, UH, ON THIS SIDE, THE DI THE DISTANCE OF THIS WALL FROM THE, UM, PAVED STREET IS ALMOST 14 FEET, BUT TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS 12 FEET.
UH, AND THAT'S IT TO BE DETERMINED.
IF YOU THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE A, A PRIMARY, UH, YOU KNOW, SETBACK
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OVER HERE, A FRONT YARD SETBACK OVER HERE AS WELL, UH, OR NOT, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING AN HVAC UNIT THERE, BUT SCREENING IT WITH SOME LANDSCAPING.SO, UM, THAT MAY BE A POINT OF DISCUSSION.
AND THEN, UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING LEFT HERE IS THE, OH, I'M SORRY, IS THE DISTANCE FROM THE, FROM THE FACE OF THIS, UH, GARAGE BUILDING, GARAGE AND RESIDENTIAL BUILDING TO THE PROPERTY LINE HERE IS, UH, FIVE FOOT FOUR INCHES.
SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE FIVE FOOT YARD, FIVE FOOT, UH, SIDE YARD SETBACK, UM, REQUIREMENT.
UM, THEY REMOVED THE, UH, PARKING ALONG QUEEN STREET THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING TO, TO CHOP IN THERE IN WHERE THE GRASS RAPIDS CURRENTLY TODAY.
UM, ON THIS SIDE, THE, I THINK, UH, THEY'RE SHOWING THAT, UM, PAVED AREA OF PASTORAL STREET TO BECOME GREEN GRASS, BUT WE CAN, UH, WE CAN CHECK THAT WITH THEM.
UH, AND LET'S SEE, THEN THE PARKING LOT IS SHOWN NOW HERE WITH, UH, SOME PARKING LOT LIGHTING, UH, IN, UH, THESE THREE LOCATIONS, 1, 2, 3 0 4, SORRY, LOCATIONS.
UM, THE PARKING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE COMMERCIAL USE IS SEPARATED FROM THE PARKING FOR THE APARTMENTS.
UM, AND THERE IS ACTUALLY A PAD BACK HERE, WHICH MUST BE FOR A DUMPSTER, UM, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A, AN ENCLOSURE.
UH, SO, UH, UH, WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR, UH, SOME DRAWINGS OR DESIGNS FOR THAT ENCLOSURE.
UM, THEY HAVE ALSO ADDED TO THE PACKAGE TODAY, THE, UM, CUT SHEETS FOR THE PARKING LOT FIXTURES.
SO WE'LL SEE THAT IN A MINUTE.
SO THAT'S SOME OF THE NEW STUFF SINCE THE LAST MEETING.
SO NOW WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE REST OF THE, THE INFORMATION, WHICH IS ALL ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW.
UH, BUT FOR THE RECORD, UM, SO THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN WITH THE, UH, ESSENTIALLY WRAPAROUND PORCH HERE, UM, ON THESE THREE SIDES.
AND THEN, UH, LET'S SEE, THEN THE GARAGE IN THE BACK, UPPER LEFT CORNER IS SEPARATED FROM THE REST OF THE BUILDING, BUT CONNECTED WITH A BREEZEWAY.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL SEE ABOVE, UM, BREEZEWAY, UH, ROOF ESSENTIALLY BECOMES THE WALKWAY INTO THE, AN ENTRANCE INTO THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
SO TO THAT, SO HERE WE HAVE, UH, ON THE UPPER LEFT IS ONE, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNIT WITH ITS ENTRANCE HERE.
AND THEN AS, UH, THE STAIRWAYS HAVE PROVIDED ACCESS TO THIS, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE ROOF OF THE BREEZEWAY, THAT BECOMES THEN THE ENTRANCE FOR TWO UNITS.
THIS BEING THE ENTRANCE HERE FOR THIS UPPER OR THIS HALF OF THE BUILDING UNIT.
AND THEN THE OTHER HALF OF THE BUILDING UNIT IS HERE WITH ITS ENTRANCE THERE.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ROOF OF THE, UM, PORTION OF THE BUILDING BELOW.
YOU'LL SEE IT'S JUST A ONE STORY PORTION, WHEREAS THE REST OF THE PROJECT IS TWO STORIES.
AND HERE YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE, UH, PLANNED VIEW OF THE, UM, KIND OF PERGOLA OR, UM, SORRY, UM, TRELLIS, UM, STRUCTURE OVER THE, UH, PORCHES OVER THE WRAPAROUND PORCH AREA.
SO, UM, AND FLAT ROOFS ON THESE THREE SECTIONS HERE ON TWO SECTIONS.
AND THEN, UH, THIS IS A SLOPING ROOF WITH, UH, METAL, NO, STOP.
OH, STOP, STOP, STOP, STOP, STOP.
ALRIGHT, AND, UM, WE CAN SEE THE DECKING FOR THE, FOR THE BREEZEWAY.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE FINALLY GET TO OUR ELEVATIONS.
THESE ARE THE, UH, THE BACK AND THE SIDE, NO BACK AND THE FRONT, SORRY.
SO THE FRONT, UH, THIS IS THE ELEVATION FACING QUEEN STREET AT THE BOTTOM HERE YOU CAN SEE OUR, UH, WRAPAROUND PORCH AND ENTRANCEWAY WITH, UH, UH, HANDRAILS.
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UH, THERE ARE ALSO LIGHT LIGHTS SHOWN ON HERE.UH, LIGHTS SHOWN HERE AND OVER HERE.
UM, THE WINDOWS ARE ALL VERTICAL ALL THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE, UM, FACADE HERE.
UM, SO THIS SHOWS ROOFING, NOT TRELLIS WORK.
THEN WE'LL GET THAT CLARIFIED.
UH, THEN ON THE BACK WE HAVE OUR THREE GARAGE DOORS WITH THE APARTMENT ABOVE THE BREEZEWAY BETWEEN THE, UH, SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS UP HERE AND WITH, UH, SIDING.
AND THE UPPER UPPER FLOOR HAS THE, UM, UH, HARDBOARD SIDING, THE CONCRETE SIDING.
AND THE FIRST FLOOR IS ALL BRICK.
WE'LL SEE THIS ALL IN THE RENDERINGS IN A MINUTE.
AND THEN, UH, THE HANDRAILS FOR THE PORCH AND THE, UM, RAMPS FOR THE RAMP HERE ON THE BACK SIDE.
ALRIGHT, SO HERE, UM, IS THE, THIS IS THE PASTOR STREET SIDE.
SO THIS ENTIRE SIDE UNDERNEATH HERE IS, THAT IS A PORCH LIKE, UH, SITUATION.
AND THE UP UP UPPER FLOOR IS THE HARDY BOARD WITH ALL THE WINDOWS FOR THE APARTMENTS OR DWELLINGS, I SHOULD SAY, THEY COULD BE CONDOS.
UM, WE HAVE TO SHOW THE DOORWAYS, UM, FOR BOTH THE, UH, MAIN ENTRANCE AND THE SIDE ENTRANCE HERE, THAT OTHER ROOM ON THE SIDE THERE.
AND THEN, UH, THE OTHER SIDE FACING, UH, COOL STREET AND THE R HOTEL.
SO THIS WALL IS FACING THE RONE HOTEL WITH ONE WINDOW HERE, THE BREEZEWAY, THEN CONNECTING BACK TO THE GARAGE, WHICH, UH, AND APARTMENT, UH, WHICH THEN FACES POOL STREET.
YOU CAN SEE THE STAIRWAY GOING UP, THE HANDRAILS AT THE TOP, THE ENTRANCE, THE RECESSED ENTRANCES.
UM, THEY'VE ALSO DEPICTED SOME OF THE MECHANICAL UNITS AROUND THE ROOF.
UH, ALRIGHT, THEY PROVIDED A SECTION THROUGH THE BUILDING, SEVERAL DIRECT THROUGH BOTH BUILDINGS IN SEVERAL DIRECTIONS.
AND I GUESS THE MAIN THING IS TO SEE THE ROOF IS HERE, THIS HEAVY BLACK LINE IN BOTH THE TWO STORY AND ONE STORY.
AND THEN THERE'S A PARAPET, UM, ALL THE WAY AROUND, UH, BOTH OF THOSE ROOFS AND SEVERAL BUILDING SECTIONS SHOWING OFF, UH, SHOWING THE, UH, BRICK, UH, VENEER AND THE, UH, PARTY BOARD SIDING, STRUCTURAL AND, UM, INSULATION DETAILS.
UM, DETAILS ABOUT THE, UM, HANDRAILS, UH, FOR THE STEPS AND FOR THE, UH, THE UPPER, THE BREEZE WAVE, UM, ROOF
WE HAVE SOME MORE CONSTRUCTION DETAILS.
SO FINALLY WE GOT TO THE I THE RENDERING.
SO, UM, LET'S START WITH THE ONE ON THE RIGHT.
WE'LL MAKE THAT ONE QUITE A BIT LARGER.
SO THIS WILL BE ESSENTIALLY THE FRONT VIEW, UM, ALONG QUEEN STREET ON THE LEFT AND THEN PASTOR STREET, OFF PAGE ON THE RIGHT.
UH, SO THIS IS THE ENTRANCE, UH, TO THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, AND THE, UH, WRAPAROUND PORCH, SO TO SAY.
ALONG HERE THERE ARE A FEW STEPS LEADING UP TO THAT.
UH, AND HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS, UH, PORTION OF THE BUILDING IS ONE STORY.
UM, AND, UH, THE RENDERING STILL SHOWS A PARKING RIGHT NEXT TO THE SIDEWALK.
BUT UM, THEIR CURRENT PROPOSAL IS GRASS.
AND THEN THIS IS THEN, UH, LOOKING BACK TOWARDS QUEEN STREET.
UH, SO THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING FROM THE PARKING LOT, UH, DRIVEWAY.
AND SO, UM, SEE THAT WRAPAROUND PORCH COMING AROUND TO THE BACKSIDE.
AND UH, WE HAVE BRICK ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THE SIDING ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, THE, UH, AND THEN THE GARAGE AND A APARTMENT OR DWELLING ON THE SECOND FLOOR ON THE RIGHT.
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UH, THEN THE THIRD ONE IS, UH, RENDERING FROM ESSENTIALLY THE RAILROAD TRACKS LOOKING TOWARDS THE BUILDING.UH, AGAIN, IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SAME THINGS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED SOME DETAILS OF THE LIGHT FIXTURES.
UM, SOME ARE LIKE THIS AND THAT, SOME ARE RECESSED.
AND THEN FOR THE PARKING LOT, UH, THE LIGHT FIXTURES ARE LIKE THIS.
THIS CAME IN TODAY, SO THIS IS NEW FOR, WHAT KIND OF A BULB IS THAT? I DUNNO.
SO, UM, ALRIGHT, SO, UM, I THINK SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE WANTS TO, UM, PROVIDE, UH, WE CAN WAIT UNTIL SLIDES AS THEY TALK TO US ABOUT THEIR, UH, ABOUT THE PROJECT WHEN WE GET TO THAT.
THE, UH, OWNER OR THE OWNERS REP WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? YEAH.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION? WELL, I DO HAVE IT.
WOULD YOU COME? IF YOU WANT TO ADD, PLEASE COME UP.
SO WERE YOU SWORN IN AT THE BEGINNING? YOU WERE JIM? YES SIR, I WAS.
JIM STAFF NEEDS TO GO OVER THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REPORT BEFORE WE HERE.
ALRIGHT, SO THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REPORT.
UM, SO THIS IS IN THE C FOUR, UH, ZONING DISTRICT WITH THE RIVER STATION MIXED USE OVERLAY.
UH, IN ADDITION TO BEING IN THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, AND THERE'S A CERTAIN CATEGORY IN THE OVERLAY THAT IS FOR WHAT THEY CALL STOREFRONTS, WHICH ALLOW COMMERCIAL USE WITH RESIDENTIAL ABOVE.
UH, SO THE, UH, VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS ARE SET HERE WITH THE FRONT, UH, YARD SETBACK WE TALKED ABOUT.
THE SIDE YARD SETBACK IS TO BE DETERMINED ACCORDING TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
UH, AND THEN THE OTHER THINGS ARE RELATIVELY NORMAL THINGS, UH, REQUIRED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE LANDSCAPING IS TO BE 50 TO 25%.
THE BUFFER IS TO BE DETERMINED AND THE PARKING IS TO BE DETERMINED.
UH, AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN A SECOND.
OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS OVERLAY DISTRICT IS THAT A MINIMUM OF 5% OF THE LAND AREA DEDICATED AS RECREATIONAL OPEN SPACE, WHICH MAY INCLUDE PARKS, PLAZAS, WALKWAYS, TRAILS, AND BIKE PATHS.
SO, UM, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS SAID THAT, UH, IT SEEMS IT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE.
'CAUSE HE, HE SAYS, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE PROJECT MANAGER, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR THE MULTIFAMILY USE.
SO, UM, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS WHY THINGS ARE YET TO BE DETERMINED.
UH, AND SO, UM, UH, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT AFFECT, UM, YOUR DISCUSSION HERE.
THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR AS OF COURSE SAID, WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT AND A FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
UM, I DID FORGET TO MENTION THAT THE SITE PLAN DOES SHOW THAT THE BUILDING IS, UH, SLIGHTLY IN THE, UH, FLOODPLAIN, UH, HAZARD AREA.
SO, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, YEAH, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE.
NORMALLY WHEN STAFF REVIEWS THESE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REPORT, UM, YOU'LL SEE A COMMENT THAT A PERMIT IS REQUIRED, ESPECIALLY, UM, FROM THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
THIS ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REPORT IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT.
NORMALLY, UM, BEFORE YOU, YOU SEE THINGS SUCH AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN JUST ABOUT EVERY ZONING DISTRICT IN NEW BERN, THERE ARE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
AND THERE ARE OTHER USES THAT ARE PERMITTED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS REQUIRES A HEARING, MUCH LIKE THIS ONE DIFFERENT CRITERIA.
BUT THERE ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS WHERE THERE'S FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW, AND THEN THE PERMIT IS ISSUED IF THEY'VE SATISFY THE CRITERIA IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, BECAUSE OUR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS OFFERED EVIDENCE THAT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED, BUT THAT
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HAS NOT YET BEEN OBTAINED.AS WE SIT HERE THIS MOMENT, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO USE THE PROPERTY IN THE WAY THAT IS BEING INTENDED.
NOT TO SAY THAT THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SATISFY THE CRITERIA, THAT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE.
BUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS HAS NOT COMMENCED AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
SO BASED ON THIS NOTE FROM THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT DOES NOT HAVE THE ENTITLEMENT NECESSARY TO USE THE PROPERTY, AND THEREFORE A REVIEW OF ANY DESIGN CRITERIA IS A BIT PREMATURE.
SO, SO, UH, I'M GONNA INTERPRET WHAT YOU SAID THEN.
WE, WE MIGHT APPROVE THIS BUILDING.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A CONDITION TO BE MET THAT IT MEETS THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, BUT, UH, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M STRUGGLING FOR WHAT, WHAT ROLE WE'RE PLAYING HERE.
THERE WERE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE NOT MET ALSO.
IT APPEARED THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT STAFF HAS SUGGESTED AND THAT'S WHAT THIS FORM SUGGESTS AS WELL.
GENERALLY, UM, WE REQUIRE APPLICANTS TO HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THEY'RE PROPOSING BEFORE THEY COME TO YOU ALL.
UM, AND TALK ABOUT THEIR DESIGN.
BECAUSE IF THEY CAN'T GET THE ENTITLEMENT, THEN COA REALLY DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD WHAT YOU WANNA BUILD BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE USE THAT YOU WANNA USE.
SO, UM, WHAT YOU ALL COULD CONSIDER TONIGHT, IF YOU REVIEW THIS EVIDENCE AND AGREE WITH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR THAT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED, HAS NOT YET BEEN OBTAINED, YOU COULD CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION, UM, UNTIL THE GENTLEMAN HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO OBTAIN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
OR I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT HAS SOME RELEVANT INFORMATION AS TO WHERE THEY ARE IN THAT PROCESS.
THAT MIGHT HELP YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER YOU CAN PROCEED ON THE APPLICATION TONIGHT.
THE, THE OTHER THING THAT BOTHERED ME A LITTLE BIT, IF IT, IF IT DOES NOT MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE DESIGN MUST CHANGE.
AND, AND, AND WE THOUGH CAN'T VOTE ON THAT WHEN THE DESIGN'S GONNA CHANGE, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT THE DESIGN.
WE DON'T KNOW THE DIMENSIONS OF WHERE THE STRUCTURE MAKES IT ON THE BLOCK, WHICH IS THE SAME, ONE OF THE SAME ISSUES THAT YOU HAD EARLIER.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED A MOTION TO, UH, WELL, ANOTHER QUESTION IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT DOESN'T NECESSARILY INVOLVE THE DESIGN, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO REALLY, REALLY A I CHAIRMAN HERE, IT'S REALLY THE SETBACKS THAT YEAH.
THE SETBACKS TO ME IS THE ISSUE YEAH.
WELL THE SPECIAL USE, HOWEVER, DOES INVOLVE A MULTIFAMILY WHICH WOULD BE ACQUIRED THE PORTION OF THIS BUILDING.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT MASCAL PROPORTION DIMENSION
IT DOES HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
AND I THINK WHAT MR. MORRISON IS SUGGESTING IS THAT IF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ISN'T OBTAINED, THEN THE SECOND STORY ISN'T A PART OF THE DESIGN ANYMORE.
SO THE USES THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THIS LOT ARE VERY MUCH GERMANE TO WHAT THE DESIGN MAY OR MAY NOT BE INCLUDED.
AND IF I'M CORRECT, YOUR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MIGHT ALSO CONSIDER THE SETBACK ABSOLUTELY.
WE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF TALKING ABOUT ZONING, WHICH IS NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT IF I CAN PUT IT IN HPC TERMS, UM, ESSENTIALLY WE'VE GOT THE POTENTIAL, AGAIN FOR A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.
UM, AND IT'S THE SAME SITUATION, UH, AS OUR PRIOR APPLICATION.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE DON'T CARE ABOUT USE, JUST MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW MANY STORIES MAY BE THERE, AND UM, OBVIOUSLY IF, UH, I'M GONNA RELUCTANTLY USE THE TERM SETBACKS JUST BECAUSE IF THE BOX GETS SMALLER, THAT MEANS OTHER CHANGES HAS TO HAPPEN TO THE SITE PLANNING, UM, AND POTENTIALLY THE BUILDING LAYOUT, I'D SUGGEST THAT WE, UH, UH, CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION TO A LATER DATE, A MOTION.
UM, THE MOTION'S GONNA NEED TO CONTINUE, INCLUDE THAT DATE.
AND IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE IN THAT PROCESS SO THAT YOU CAN BEAR THAT INFORMATION IN MIND AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT A FUTURE HEARING DATE.
CAN YOU GET ANSWERS TO ALL THOSE QUESTIONS BY THE NEXT MEETING? OR I CAN ANSWER.
I MEAN, I TALKED TO KENDRICK ABOUT THIS STUFF AND HE WANTED ME TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND HE SAID SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, HE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
HE SAID IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE TO GET.
HE GOES, BUT WE GOTTA SEE IF WE CAN GET PAST Y'ALL FIRST.
UM, THERE ARE SOME BOUNDARIES THAT ARE NOT QUITE CORRECT ON THERE.
UH, THE ONE OF THE LINES IS LIKE RIGHT ON THE SPOT.
SO IF WE HAD TO SHIFT IT, I MEAN THE WHOLE THING
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WITH THIS A FOOT, THEN THAT WOULD MEET THEM SETBACKS IF IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE THE 20 FOOT, CONSIDERING WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EARLIER ABOUT THE, THE, ALL THE DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE STREETS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.SO YES, I MEAN, THAT CAN BE EASILY ADDRESSED AND WE CAN AS MINOR ADJUSTMENTS AS FAR AS, AS THE PLANNING GOES, AS FAR AS THE BUILDING GOES, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE.
AND I CAN EASILY TALK TO KENDRICK, BUT HE WAS, HE WAS ADAMANT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WELL YOU GOTTA SEE IF Y'ALL WILL EVEN, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER WHAT WE'RE DOING AND IF YOU CONSIDER WHAT WE'RE DOING, THEN IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
AS FAR AS THE SPECIAL USE PER, I THINK WE'D LIKE TO CONSIDER IT IN ITS FINAL FORM.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH US POSTPONING AT LEAST A MONTH.
WELL, I, I GUESS I, I MEAN, IF I CAN QUESTION, IT'S NOT REALLY UP TO KENDRICK, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S REALLY UP TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CAU JUDICIAL HEARING TO CONSIDER THAT.
YEAH, THEY ONLY NEED, THEY ONLY NEED ONCE A MONTH TOO.
SO TO COMPLICATE THINGS, I THINK DEVELOPMENT SERVICES POLICY IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR, UH, ZONING PERMIT FIRST.
IN THIS CASE, SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS HIS ZONING PERMIT, YOU KNOW, AND SO, WHICH IS FINE, I MEAN, BUT LIKE I SAID, HE, LIKE, WHEN I TALKED TO HIM SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, HE WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOTTA GET APPROVED FOR YOU BEFORE I CAN DO THE NEXT STEP.
AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THEN NOW IT'S LIKE, I GUESS NOW I WANT TO DO THAT STEP EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE YOUR PERMIT.
SO IT'S, I MEAN IT DOESN'T, UH, DOESN'T, I THINK WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPROVED AND, AND THE ISSUES AROUND SETBACKS DECIDED IN TERMS OF A DESIGN.
I MOVE, WE CONTINUE THIS HEARING TO THE NEXT MEETING ON JULY 16TH AT 5:30 PM HERE IN ORDER FOR YOU TO CONCLUDE ALL ZONING ISSUES.
I'LL SECOND WHO SECONDED TO POSTPONE OR, UH, CONTINUE TO JULY 16TH.
OPPOSED? CARRIE? THAT WAS MIKE FOR THE SECOND.
MATT, CAN I TAKE A BATHROOM BREAK? YES.
JOE, WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT.
YOU CAN TAKE A RECESS IF YOU'D LIKE TO OR SO YOU CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR A FIVE MINUTES.
WHO WAS THE, WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THAT? YEAH, THERE WAS SOMEBODY I THOUGHT YOU NO, YOU VOLUNTEERED TO.
I THOUGHT THE TERM RECESS WOULD BE BETTER THAN REST.
I MEAN, I, I PUT THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
I THOUGHT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO YEAH, THAT'S ONLY, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I AGREE WITH HER.
IF YOU COULD JUST SAY IT'S IN THE PRIMARY, SECONDARY,
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IT'S A GOOD THING.YEAH, DON'T TOUCH, DON'T SCREW IT UP.
AGO, FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
SO MAYBE SOMEONE'S USING, SHE COMING
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NOT DOING THIS.I'M GOING BACK TO MY POTTERY TODAY.
I'M GOING UP TO STATE COLLEGE TODAY.
I'VE BEEN SEVERAL TIMES WITH KIDS.
WANT GO? MY DAUGHTER, MY DAUGHTER'S IN.
IS IS, DO YOU KNOW ANYBODY'S GONNA BE SHOWN? I DUNNO.
CALL TO ORDER AND, UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE ON TO, UH, THREE 14.
[4.F. 710 New St. – to include various modifications and replacements on all AVCs.]
HAVE SEVEN 10 NEW, I'M SORRY.ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE THE APPLICATION NOW FOR SEVEN 10 NEW STREET HERE.
UM, THE OWNER IS THERESA BARRETT AND THE OTHER APPLICANT'S, UH, RUSTY CREEDY, UH, FULLER CENTER, DISASTER REBUILDINGS.
AND, UH, THE SCOPE IS ATTACHED, UH, THE, UM, GUIDELINES LISTED AND, UH, THE MATERIALS, UH, ROOF REPAIR AND WINDOW SPECS AND LITERATURE ARE ATTACHED.
SO THEY'VE CHECKED OFF THE APPROPRIATE CHECK BOXES, INCLUDING THAT, UH, MR. CREEDY HAS SIGNED THIS AND DATED IT, AND HE HAS THE, UH, THE OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION FORM, UH, SIGNED AND NOTARIZED WITH, UH, MS. BARRETT'S, UH, SIGNATURE.
SO THE SCOPE FOR THIS, UH, PROJECT, UM, IS, UH, TO, IS THE, IS MR. CREEDY HERE? YEP.
AND I'M GOING TO PROCEED THAT.
SO NUMBER ONE IS TO REMOVE ALL VINYL SIDING AROUND THE HOUSE, UH, REQUIRED ON RIGHT ELEVATION FOR STRUCTURAL REPAIRS.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE, UH, IN THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.
UH, AND IT WAS, UM, SUGGESTED THAT THE, ALL OF THE SIDING WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED, UH, IF AN ENTIRE SIDE IS TO BE REMOVED.
UH, THEN THERE'S RE TWO IS THE REPAIRS TO THE BACK PORCH.
UM, THIS IS AN UPDATED SCOPE OF WORK AS A RESULT OF THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.
SO SORRY, I, UH, PARAPHRASED, UH, MEETING.
SO IT'S REQUIRED ON ALL OTHER ELEVATION SIDES OF THE HOME TO RESTORE THE HISTORICAL LOOK.
ANY BAD WOOD SIDING BEHIND THE VINYL SIDING WILL BE SCRAPED OF LEAD PAINT AND SEALED BY A LEAD ABATEMENT CONTRACTOR.
AND WOOD SIDING WILL BE PAINTED TWO, THE REPAIRS TO THE BACK PORCH, UH, TO REPLACE THE FOUR BY FOUR POSTS.
REPLACE DECKING AND REPLA REPAIR FLOOR
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JOISTS AS NEEDED.ALL WITH TREATED LUMBER, WHICH IS WHAT IS THERE PRESENTLY.
UH, WATER DAMAGE SLATTED CEILING TO BE REMOVED BY LEAD ABATEMENT CONTRACTOR HIRED BY INCOR AND GENERAL CONTRACTOR TO REPLACE WITH PLYWOOD, BEADBOARD AND PAINTED.
NUMBER THREE, TO INSTALL AN HVAC SYSTEM, THE FIRST FLOOR TO USE MINI SPLITS TO AVOID DUCT WORK IN THE CRAWL SPACE.
AND SECOND FLOOR TO HAVE SPLIT SYSTEM WITH EVAPORATOR BLOWER AND DUCT WORK IN THE ATTIC AND CONDENSER ON STAND ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION.
AND THEY LIST, THEY LIST THE UNIT SIZES ON THE LEFT ELEVATION, THE RIGHT ELEVATION, UH, THE LOCK UNDER C THE LINE SETS FOR ALL UNITS WILL BE INSIDE OF THE WALLS TO MINIMIZE ANYTHING ON THE EXTERIOR.
UH, D THE STANDS WILL BE PAINTED AND E THE STANDS WILL BE SCREENED WITH PUSHES.
NUMBER FOUR, REPLACE ALL THE WINDOWS IN THE HOME WITH WOOD WINDOWS.
UH, THE GEL WOUND QUOTE AND LITERATURE IS ATTACHED.
AND NUMBER FIVE, THE METAL ROOF IS TO BE COATED WITH SEALANT MATCHING THE EXISTING GALVANIZED COLOR.
UH, THE CHIMNEY FLASHING AND OTHER FLASHING IS TO BE REPLACED TO STOP THE WATER LEAKS AND QUOTE ATTACHED FOR THAT TO GIVE YOU SOME OF THE DETAILS.
NUMBER SIX, THE SOFFIT FACE, SHIP, FRONT PORCH, CEILING, AND ANY OTHER EXTERIOR WOOD IS TO BE SCRAPED BY A LEAD CONTRACTOR HIRED BY ENCORP.
REPAIRS WILL BE MADE BY GENERAL CONTRACTOR OF ANY DAMAGED WOOD TO MATCH EXISTING LOOK AND ALL PAINTED TO MATCH EXISTING COLORS.
NUMBER SEVEN, TO MAKE REPAIRS TO THE DAMAGED BRICKS ON THE REAR CHIMNEY, USING SAME BRICK, UH, TYPE SLASH COLOR AS NEEDED TO MATCH THE OTHER TWO CHIMNEYS CLOSER TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND NUMBER EIGHT, REMOVAL OF FEDERAL PACIFIC ELECTRIC ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT PANEL BOX FROM THE RIGHT ELEVATION.
AND THE PLAN TO INSTALL THE CIRCUIT PANEL INSIDE THE HOUSE.
SO WE JUST END UP WITH METER OUTSIDE OF THE HOME.
SO HERE WE HAVE, UH, PHOTOS, UH, FROM APRIL, 2023 BY COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.
SO THIS IS SHOWS, UH, THE TWO HOUSES SITTING NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
UH, THE NEIGHBOR ON THE LEFT AND THE SUBJECT HOUSE ON THE RIGHT.
UH, AND THEN, UH, STRAIGHT ON VIEW OF THE SUBJECT HOUSE HERE, AND THEN BACK, UH, AGAIN, THE TWO TOGETHER.
BUT HERE NOW YOU CAN SEE THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHICH WAS THE PROBLEMS, THE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM SIDE, UH, AND, UH, THE TIME.
YOU COULD SEE, UH, THE SIDING AND SOME OF THE WINDOW SILLS HERE.
AND THEN, UM, THE REST OF THE SIDE HERE.
AND, UH, THE MAJOR PROBLEM IS DOWN HERE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER, YOU'LL SEE SOME PHOTOS OF THAT.
THEN, UH, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, SEPARATION, UH, COLLAPSING OF THE FOUNDATION PIER, UH, AT THE CORNER AND SOME SEPARATION OF THE WALL.
THE WALL AT THE CORNER AND BACK HERE YOU CAN SEE INTO THE WALL.
UM, AND HERE AGAIN, NOW THERE YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, UH, THE PIER IS COLLAPSING OR, OR, UM, SLIDING.
THE TOP LAYERS ARE SLIDING OFF THE BOTTOM LAYERS OR COURSES.
UH, THEN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, UM, UH, THIS IS THE PORCH THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO, UM, REPLACE SEVERAL OF THE MEMBERS.
UH, AND THESE ARE THE, ALL THE WINDOWS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE AS WELL.
THEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UH, SO THE FRONT IS ON THE RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS IS THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, NOT QUITE SO MANY PROBLEMS OVER THERE.
UH, ALTHOUGH THE WINDOWS ARE, UM, POTENTIALLY, WELL THEY'RE BEING, UH, PROPOSED TO BE REPLACED.
AND THIS IS THE FRONT DOOR CLOSE UP WITH THE SIDELIGHTS.
AND THERE WERE A BUNCH OF INTERIOR PHOTOS, WHICH DON'T MATTER TO US NOW BECAUSE THAT WAS ROUTE RELATED TO THE DEMO.
AND OF COURSE, OUR HISTORIC IRISES, WHICH BY THE WAY, ARE GONE.
UM, SO NOW THIS IS FROM OUR SITE VISIT, UH, STAFFS, PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE SITE VISIT.
THIS SHOWS, UH, SOME OF THOSE, UH, THERE WE GO.
IT SHOWS SOME OF THE FOUNDATION COLLAPSING HERE.
AND NOW YOU CAN SEE HOW THE CORNER'S SEPARATING.
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AND THERE YOU SEE THE ACTUAL STUDS FROM THE OUTSIDE.AND THEN THIS IS THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE DID NOT HAVE THAT.
AND THE PROBLEM SEE HERE IS HERE, IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION, JUST COVERED WITH SOME SPLASH OF THE SOIL ON IT.
AND THEN THIS ONE IS FROM THE INTERIOR, NOT NORMALLY THING, BUT THIS IS THAT CORNER YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE OUTSIDE FROM THE INSIDE OF THE CORNER.
ALL RIGHT THEN, UH, THIS IS NOW PHOTOS MORE RECENT FROM THE APPLICANT.
SO 2025, THEY REMOVED THE BUSHES HERE ON THE SIDE, SO YOU CAN REALLY SEE HOW THIS IS, UH, NOT JUST AT THE CORNER, BUT ALSO HALFWAY DOWN THE WALL.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THESE, ALL THE SIDING HAS TO BE REMOVED IN ORDER TO, UH, REPAIR, UH, THE SIGNIFICANT, UM, UH, DISLOCATION OF THAT WALL.
AND THEN THIS IS THE PATH, THE PANEL BOX, UH, THAT THEY WANT TO MOVE INSIDE.
AND THAT'S THEIR PHOTO OF THE CORNER.
AND, UH, A MUCH BETTER PHOTOGRAPH OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE BACK PORCH SHOWING MORE DETAIL.
AND HERE WE CAN SEE THE POSTS AND THE FLOORBOARDS AND THE, EVEN THE CEILING, UM, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE HERE.
UM, ARE YOU ALSO LOOKING TO BUILD, UH, NEW STEPS THERE OR WHAT? NO, THE STEPS.
SO THE, THE STEPS ARE TO REMAIN.
UH, THEN WE HAVE, UM, SOME DETAILS FROM THE WINDOWS TO SHOW, UH, HOW, HOW SERIOUS THE DETERIORATION IS.
NOT JUST HERE IN THE CORNER, BUT ALL THE WAY ACROSS THIS WINDOW SILL.
SO, UM, IT COULD YOU COME FORWARD? 'CAUSE UM, THERE'S ABOUT 30 PAGES HERE THAT I THINK WE DON'T NEED AND
AND SO I'M HOPING IT'LL HELP ME IDENTIFY IT.
I ALREADY ELIMINATED THE FIRST THREE OR SO THAT WE, I NEED ELIMINATE ALL OF THEM.
BASICALLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE WOOD WINDOWS, UM, SOLID WOOD WINDOWS.
THEY'RE BASICALLY, UM, I GUESS I GUESS IF I READ THROUGH YOUR, UH, THE, UH, STANDARDS, UM, YOU HAVE TWO DIVIDED LIGHT.
YOU HAVE, UH, TWO DIVIDED LIGHT LENGTH S WHICH YOU DON'T, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE, BUT THEY ARE THREE DIMENSIONAL GRILL FIX FOR BOTH THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR OF THE GLASS.
SO THERE'S NOT UHHUH, BUT THERE ARE WOOD.
BOTH IT'S ALL WOOD INSIDE OUTSIDE AND UH, BE HISTORIC, STANDARD HISTORICAL REQUIREMENTS.
'CAUSE YEAH, SO, 'CAUSE I WAS CONFUSED AND I COULDN'T FIND AN ANSWER IN ANY OF THEIR, UH, LITERATURE, EVEN LOOKING ONLINE AND SUCH.
UM, I TRY TO GET THROUGH FROM THOSE GUYS TOO.
BUT I MEAN, IF I GO THROUGH THE SPEC, THE SPEC SHEET IN THERE, AND IT BASICALLY SAYS AS THE SHADOW BARS, WE AS SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS, SDL AND BASICALLY, UM, ANYWAY, IT SHOULDN'T BE STANDARD FOUR POINT, UH, THREE THREE, BUT, UH, THEY WILL NOT BE TRUE DIVIDED LIGHTS.
BUT, SO GOING JUST BACK TO THE WOOD WINDOWS, UM, IT DESCRIBED IT AS WOOD CLAD SOMEWHERE, UH, IN THAT, THAT'S ALL THAT LITERATURE, WHICH WE SHOULD PROBABLY NOT EVEN HAVE ASKED THEM TO SEND ME SOME INFORMATION.
SO, AND I'VE BEEN UNABLE TO GET, THEY'RE NOT CLAD WINDOWS.
WHICH IS AN INSPECTION SHEET, UM, FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR WORK.
UM, AND SO THIS THEN, UH, GETS TWO, THE, UM, THE WINDOW ORDER FORMS. AND YOU CAN SEE IT DOES INCLUDE THE 12, UH, 12 LIGHTS ON THE TOP AND ONE 12 OVER ONE.
UM, THE OTHER ONES ARE ALL THE SAME AS THE EXISTING.
I REMEMBER THAT FROM THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? THOSE, UH, YEAH, THERE'S, UH, SIX PAN WINDOWS.
YEAH, THERE'S 13 WITH THE, UH, 12 ON TOP RIGHT,
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17 WINDOWS IN TOTAL.AND THERE'S APPARENTLY TWO THAT HAVE THE, UH, THE, THE, THE GRILLS IN BOTH, BOTH SAS SACHES.
NOW THIS IS THE, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT THE, UH, ROOF COATING.
SO, UM, AND THE SIZE OF THE AREA FOR THAT IS THE ENTIRE ROOF.
UM, UH, IN THIS CASE, UH, THE SHIPPO HAS PROVIDED A LETTER ABOUT THE PROJECT, UM, PRIMARILY, UM, I SHOULD HAVE HIGHLIGHTED THE SECTIONS THAT THEY ARE RELEVANT.
UM, SO I THINK THE MAIN QUESTION ABOUT FOR THIS OR, UH, FROM THIS LETTER IS, UH, REGARDING REPLACING THE ROOFING OR NOT.
AND UH, IN HERE THEY SUGGEST THAT THEY RECOMMEND REPAIR OF THE ROOF VIA SCRAPING AND PAINTING OR POSSIBLY COATING WITH AN ALASKA MERIC ROOF COATING PRODUCT, WHICH IS NOW WHAT THEY'VE CHANGED THE SCOPE TO DO SO AGO.
ISN'T THAT A STANDING SEAM? IT LOOKED LIKE IN THE PICTURE, THE STANDING SEAM, YES.
AND THEY'RE CONSIDERED ONCE TO REPLACE IT BECAUSE, WELL, AT FIRST THE PROPOSAL WAS TO REPLACE IT, THEN THEY GOT THIS LETTER FROM CHIPO CHIPO, AND SO NOW THEY ARE JUST, NOW WE'RE GONNA CODE IT.
NOW THE PROPOSAL IS TO CODING, SO I STANDING STEAM AND IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL FAIRLY, ALL PRETTY BIG CONDITION IF YOU HAVE ALL THOSE PICTURES.
THERE'S A PLACE WE WANT TO SEAL BECAUSE A LOT OF, UH, WORK ON THE INTERIOR OF THE WORK AND MOST OF THE DAMAGE, DAMAGE, MOST OF THE DAMAGE IN THE HOUSE IS DUE TO THE, UH, C THERE ARE SOME AREAS, THERE ARE SOME AREAS OF THE, UH, METAL ROOF THAT NEED TO BE PASSED AND REPAIRED THAT WAY.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE STANDING ROOF, SAME ROOF STAYS, IT GETS REPAIRED AND SEALED.
AND THEN, UH, WE DUG UP, UH, OR WE HAD IN FILE THE, UH, REPORT FROM THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THAT WAS DONE BACK WHEN UNDER THE PRIOR APPLICATION BACK IN, UH, 2023, UH, WHERE THEY IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF PROBLEMS. THE MOST, UM, CONSEQUENTIAL HERE ARE HIGHLIGHTED, UM, TO REPLACE, UH, CRAWL SPACE, ENTRY DOOR TO DEMOLISH AND REMOVE THREE CHIMNEYS, UM, TO BUILD NEW BRICK PIERS ALONG THE RIGHT WALL.
SO, UH, THIS APPLICATION IS NOT PROPOSE TO REMOVE THE BRICK CHIMNEYS.
UH, UH, HOW ABOUT THE ACCESS DOOR? ARE YOU PUTTING IN A NEW ACCESS DOOR? UH, ACCESS DOOR.
IF WHEN YOU TALK, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, WE'LL REPLACE CRAWL SPACE PUT ACROSS.
UH, THE NEXT ONE WAS TO BUILD NEW BRICK PIERS ALONG THE RIGHT WALL, WHICH IS OF COURSE, UH, THE REPAIR THAT THEY'RE DOING, UH, FOR THE FOUNDATION THERE ALL EXTERIOR VINYL SIDING TO BE REMOVED ON THE RIGHT EXTERIOR WALL, UH, UH, REBUILD THE RIGHT EXTERIOR WALL.
UH, VINYL SIDING IS DAMAGED LOOSE AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.
THE WINDOWS ARE DAMAGED, GENERALLY NOT OPERATIONAL.
AND THOSE WERE THE MAIN POINTS FROM THAT LETTER.
AND THEY, AND THAT LETTER INCLUDED THESE PHOTOGRAPHS.
YOU CAN SEE SOME STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS UNDERNEATH THE FLOOR AND THAT CORNER AGAIN.
AND THEY'RE ESTIMATE, I GUESS.
SO, UH, FINALLY, UH, BEFORE WE, UH, WE HAVE THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW, WHICH FIGURE, AND HERE THEY SAY THAT IT MEETS, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THERE'S NO CHANGE IN FOOTPRINT INDICATED.
SO ZONING PERMIT IS NOT REQUIRED.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS THAT WE'LL NEED TO REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO THEN I'M READY WITH THE STAFF REPORT WHEN YOU ARE.
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TO ADD? I THINK WE'RE COOL.ARE THERE ANY, UH, PROPONENTS OR OPPONENTS TO THIS PROJECT THAT WISH TO BE HEARD? SEEING NONE.
UH, SO THIS IS THE REPORT FOR SEVEN 10 NEW STREET.
UH, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE HUDSON HOUSE BUILT IN 1925.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND, UH, THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003 DESCRIBES IT AS ONE STORY.
TWO BAYS WIDE, THREE BAYS DEEP, 12 OVER ONE S HIP ROOF FOR METAL SUPPORTS ON BRICK PIERS, PLAIN EDGE SIDING, METAL CLAD HIP ROOF, AND INTERIOR CHIMNEY IN THE EAST ROOF SLOPE, REAR WING, BEAUTIFUL IRISES IN THE FRONT YARD, FRONT GARDEN.
UH, HE HAD NONE FOR THIS HOUSE.
SO THE SEVEN 10 NEWS STREET PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE VARIOUS MODIFICATIONS AND REPLACEMENTS ON ALL ABCS.
UH, STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES 2.3, 0.12 AND THREE FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.
2.5 0.6, UH, THAT REFERS TO THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCES, UM, NEED TO HAVE SOME VINES OR ID OR SOMETHING ON THEM.
DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.24 AND FIVE FOR MODIFICATIONS.
3.2, 0.1, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE FOR FOUNDATIONS.
4.1, TWO AND THREE FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.1 AND THREE FOR ENTRANCES.
4.4 0.12 AND FOUR FOR MASONRY.
FIVE, 1.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX.
AND FOR PAINT, 5.4 0.1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, AND EIGHT FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.54 FOR MASON RE MAINTENANCE, 6.1, 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR WOOD MAINTENANCE, 6.56 AND SEVEN FOR PAINT MAINTENANCE, 6.1, POINT 11, 12 AND 13.
AND PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURES A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROJECT IS STRUCTURAL REPAIRS, MAINTENANCE REPLACEMENTS, AND MECHANICAL SYSTEM INSTALLATION MODIFICATIONS ON ALL ABCS.
THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS OF REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
UM, IS THE VINYL BEING REMOVED ONLY ON THE ONE SIDE OR FOUR SIDES? FOUR SIDES.
I HAVE A QUESTION, QUESTION ON THAT.
IS THERE, IF THERE IS SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE UNDER THAT VINYL TO THE WOOD SIDING, I ASSUME IT WOULD BE REPLACEMENT AND KIND.
IS THAT ACCURATE? YEAH, I'LL GO BACK.
AND BY THE WAY, I, I THINK WE ALL APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU LISTENED DURING THE, UH, DESIGN REVIEW AND, AND THIS DESIGN REALLY REFLECTS THAT.
BUT GOING BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE DESIGN ELEMENTS, CAN YOU FLIP BACK TO THAT ONE REAL QUICK? CAN I GET AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION? YEAH, I'M, I'M GOING.
YOU MEAN THE SCOPE OF WORK? YES.
I WON'T, BUT, BUT IT SAYS YEAH.
YEAH, IT SAYS, UM, ANY BAD WOOD SIDING TO BE SCRAPED OF LEAD PAINT.
AND, AND I THINK THE QUESTION THAT THE CHAIRMAN ASKED IS IF IT'S REALLY BAD WOOD, WHICH IT'S GONNA BE REPLACED, NOT JUST SCRAPED.
IS THAT TRUE? I THINK THAT'S MY QUESTION.
THAT WOULD HERE MEANS JUST MEETS BE SOME OF THAT WOULD APPEAR TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY ROTTED.
WE WILL HAVE TO REPLACE THAT IN D OKAY.
THE SCRAP, THE SCRAPING IS JUST, I MEAN, THAT'S THE, UH, REQUIREMENT FOR LEAD ABATEMENT CONTRACTORS, THEY HAVE TO SCRAPE IN THE PAINT OFF AND THEN THEY BASICALLY HAVE TO
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SEAL IT ANY LEAD DUST.IT'S BASICALLY PRIME WHAT THEY PUT OUT THERE, SPECIAL TIME OR WHATEVER AT HAVE TO BE SEALED.
SOMETHING THAT MATT, YOU REFERENCED 4.1 0.2, WHICH IS IN FILLING BETWEEN RICK PIERCE AND RECESSING, BUT I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND.
WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE FOUNDATION GONNA LOOK LIKE FROM MOUNT OUTSIDE? IS IT GONNA BE AL BRICK, IS IT GONNA BE PIERS? IT'LL BE ALL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT ELEVATION, IT'LL BE THE SAME AS THAT.
I MEAN, THE PIERS IS BASICALLY THE STRUCTURAL PORTION OF THE HOUSE, BUT BASICALLY IT'LL MATCH THE, UH, LEFT ELEVATION.
SO THERE'LL BE PIERS WITH INFILL.
THE ONE WHERE IT HAD ALL THE MUD SHOWING.
I'M NOT SEEING THE PIERS AS MUCH AS JUST A SOLID.
NO, THAT'S P THIS, IT'S NOT, IT'S ALL ALL IT'S ALL P.
SO YOU WILL RECESS, YOU WILL RECESS BETWEEN PEERS, BRING UP THE OTHER ELEVATION THAT HAS THE WALL.
NOT THIS IS OKAY, BECAUSE THERE REALLY WAS NO, IN THE SCOPE OF WORK, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THE FOUNDATION.
IS THAT THE ONE YOU WANT? WELL, THE ONE THAT HAD A BETTER VIEW OF IT FROM FURTHER AWAY LIKE THAT.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A GOOD PICTURE OF THE LEFT ELEVATION THAT SHOWED WHAT, LET'S SEE NEXT.
SO THESE ARE THE MOST RECENT, THESE ARE THE 20, 25 PHOTOS HERE.
SMALLER MIGHT BE THE NEW ONES I SENT.
IT WAS JUST, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF HOW THE FOUNDATION WAS TO BE RESTORED IN THE SCOPE OF WORK.
IT WAS IN THERE BEFORE IT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MATCH THE LEFT ELEVATION.
SO TO MATCH THE ONE THAT WE'VE SEEN LAKE PAUL COVERED WITH MUD, THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE PICTURES THAT WERE TAKEN IN HERE.
THERE'S SOME OTHER PICTURES I SENT TO YOU? YEAH.
I KNOW IT CAME UP, UH, LIKE FIVE MINUTES AGO.
THESE ALL ONES, YOU'RE GETTING THESE ALL PICTURES YOU TAKE.
IT'S THE ONE THAT DOESN'T PICTURE, THAT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE FLOWERS THERE.
RIGHT? OH, OH, OF BUT OF THE, UH, OF THE RIGHT SIDE.
YEAH, THERE'S THE LEFT SIDE TOO.
SO I THINK YOU PICTURES OF ALL SIDES.
SO THAT'S THESE HERE, THE RIGHT SIDE.
SO MAYBE I DIDN'T ADD THAT ONE SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT YOU INCLUDE THE CHAIN LINK FENCE.
WHERE'S THE CHAIN LINK FENCE FROM THE SITE? SO, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING A PHOTO OF THAT.
THERE'S SOME HERE ON THE BACK OR OH, I SEE.
ALSO ON THE SIDE, WE DON'T ACTUALLY EVEN KNOW WHOSE IT IS NECESSARILY.
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OOPS, THERE'S, UH, SCROLL DOWN.IT'S, OH, IN BETWEEN THE, THE PROPERTY CHAIN LINK IN THE SCENE AND THEN I CHAIN ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS THIS ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WAS CHAIN LINK EVERY, ALL THE WAY AROUND.
THIS IS THE ONE OUT FRONT'S ALREADY REMOVED.
THE CHAIN LINK OUT FRONT WAS REMOVED.
AND THEN, YEAH, SO I THOUGHT IT WAS SHOW IT, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE ON THE RIGHT SIDE AS WELL.
SO IT SEEMED LIKE THE ENTIRE, THEIR ENTIRE PROPERTY, WHICH IS ACTUALLY TWO PARCELS, UM, IS, UH, SURROUNDED BY CHAIN LINK.
AND SINCE THIS CHAIN LINK DOES CONTINUE ACROSS THE FRONT AND NOT ACROSS THE FRONT OF THIS ONE, IF YOU COULD PROBABLY GUESS THAT THAT CHAIN LINK BELONGS TO THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY ANYWAY.
WHAT'S THE QUESTION? I, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON THE CHAIN LINK.
I, I DIDN'T RECALL SEEING IT FROM THE PHOTOS.
I WANTED TO GET A PLACEMENT ON WHERE IT WAS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M MOVED TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR SEVEN 10 NEW STREET, THE CONGRESS WITH NEW BRU CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 4 11 15 4 29 IN NEWBURN.
HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UTILITIES 2.3, 0.1, TWO AND THREE FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.6, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.45 MODIFICATIONS, 3, 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR, AND FIVE FOUNDATIONS.
4, 1, 2, AND THREE WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2, THREE AND FOUR, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 AND THREE ENTRANCES, 4.12 AND FOUR.
WOOD, 5.2, ONE, PAINT, 5, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, AND EIGHT.
CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5, 5, 4, MASONRY MAINTENANCE, 6, 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR.
WOOD MAINTENANCE, 6.56 AND SEVEN, PAINT MAINTENANCE, 6.1, 12 AND 13.
AND THEN PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT LEAD DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROJECT IS STRUCTURAL REPAIRS, MAINTENANCE REPLACEMENTS, AND MECHANICAL SYSTEM INSTALLATION, MODIFICATION AND MODIFICATION ON ALL ABCS.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES JUST ONE CONDITION.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE FOUNDATION BRICK MATCHED THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SECOND,
I WANNA THANK MRS. BARRETT FOR STICKING WITH THIS AND THANK, THANK YOU.
UH, WE NEED A MOTION FOR ISSUING THE COA OH WAIT, UH, MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA, SOMEONE.
WHO'S THAT? LIBERTY? NO, THAT WAS NEW.
[4.G. 314 Liberty St. – to include various modifications and replacements on all AVCs.]
THREE 14.LIBERTY, I WANNA JUST SAY TO ALL OF THEM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR TO THE HOUSE THAT WAS PICTURED AND IT HAS BEEN A TRIAL SINCE FLORENCE MONTHS.
OKAY, I AM ABOUT TO APOLOGIZE FOR THIS FIRST PAGE OF THIS APPLICATION.
APPARENTLY THE FILLABLE APPLICATIONS WANT TO PICK
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UP ALL OF THE INFORMATION FROM THE FIRST BILLABLE ONE IN THE ENTIRE FILE.SO DESPITE THE FACT OF IMPORTING THE CORRECT ONE, IF THE PDF PROGRAM CHANGED IT TO THE 3 0 2 AVENUE A, UM, HOWEVER I CAN ATTEST THAT THEY HAVE DONE THAT.
SO ALL THAT'S WRONG IS THE ADDRESS.
UM, MY, AND THAT THE ONE I'VE DOWNLOADED IS, IS GOING DOWNLOADED.
SO WAIT, IT WAS SEPARATE DOWNLOAD, BUT THE OTHER ONE.
LEMME MAKE SURE THIS IS ONE THAT SIGNED.
ANYWAY, UM, THREE 14 LIBERTY STREET.
UH, THE OWNER IS REGGIE BARNER.
UH, AND HE IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THE INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
UM, THE, THE DESCRIPTION OF THE WORK IS ATTACHED, SO THE GUIDELINES AND THE DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF MATERIALS, CHECK MARKS EVERYWHERE.
AND HE'S THE OWNER AND HE SIGNED IT.
UM, THEY ALSO, OH, SO THIS IS THEN, UM, GO BACK TO THE OTHER.
SO ALSO HAVE A, UH, OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION FOR STAGNER ARCHITECTURE TO REPRESENT THEM.
UH, AND SO IS SOMEONE HERE FROM STAGNER? MM-HMM
UH, AND THAT HAS BEEN SIGNED, UH, AND NOTARIZED.
SO THE DESCRIPTION, UH, DETAILED DESCRIPTION HERE INDICATES, UH, A THROUGH J PROVIDE NEW ACCESSIBLE WALKS AND PARKING, PROVIDING LANDSCAPING, NEW ROOF, NEW EXTERIOR PAINTED BOARD, AND BATTEN SIDING, NEW BRICK VENEER PICTURE FRAME FOR FUTURE BALL RELIEF INSTALLATIONS, NEW WINDOWS AND DOORS, PRESSURE WASH TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, REPAIR EXISTING BRICK VENEER AND EXISTING SCREENING WALLS, PROVIDE NEW BELOW GRADE UTILITY SURFACES AND SUPPORTING EQUIPMENT AND PROVIDE NEW EXTERNAL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT TO BE SCREENED BY EXISTING BRICK SCREEN OR NEW ORNAMENTAL FENCE AND LANDSCAPING.
AND THEY REFERENCE THE GUIDELINES AND THE MATERIALS.
AND SO HERE'S OUR REFERENCE, UH, CONTEXT AERIAL.
UH, THIS, THE SUBJECT AREA IS SHOWN IN THE BLUE OUTLINE.
UM, THEY ACTUALLY OWN ALL THE PROPERTY TO THE RIGHT AND BELOW, UH, LOWER RIGHT.
UH, AND SO THEY, UH, THE, THE LINES OF THE PROJECT DO NOT ALIGN WITH THE PROPERTY LINES.
UM, SO LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE IS TO SEE.
SO THEN, UH, IMMEDIATE, THEY, UH, HAVE A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY ALONG THIS, UH, TOP EDGE HERE, SEPARATING THEM AND A CHAIN LINK FENCE SEPARATING THEM FROM, UH, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ON LIBERTY STREET WE APPROVED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
UH, AND ALSO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
UH, AND THEN TO THE LOW, TO THE RIGHT AND TO THE LOWER RIGHT IS THE, UH, EDGE OF T COURT AND THE, UH, HOUSING UNITS THERE.
AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET IS, UM, SERIES, MOSTLY VACANT LOTS, EXCEPT THERE IS ONE HOUSE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, FROM THE SITE.
AND, UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, BOUNDARY GOES DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, ESSENTIALLY.
SO THAT HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE IS NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS.
SO THAT'S, UH, AN UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL, UH, VIEW IF WE NEED IT.
SO HERE ARE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN RECENTLY.
UH, AND, UM, THIS IS THE FRONT, UH, WITH, UH, THERE'S ESSENTIALLY SAY THREE, THREE DIFFERENT BLOCKS HERE.
THE ONE ON THE LEFT AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, AND THEN DOWN THE MIDDLE, UM, ONE ON THE RIGHT.
AND ALL OF THESE HAVE THESE SHED ROOFS, UH, AS OPPOSED TO GABLES.
UH, AND HERE WE CAN SEE FROM THE CORNER, UH, LOOKING BACK AGAIN, THE KIND OF THE ONE STORY, UH, END OF THE SHED ROOF HERE FACING THE STREET AND A VERY LARGE TREE THERE ON THE CORNER.
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MEETING IN THE MIDDLE, UH, WITH A LOW AREA IN BETWEEN ON THE LEFT SIDE AND THE PARKING AREA, EXISTING PARKING AREA.AND AGAIN, A LOT OF, UH, CHAIN LINK HERE.
UM, AND NOW THIS IS FROM THE BACK LOOKING TOWARDS THE, TOWARDS THE BUILDING.
UH, THIS AREA HERE, UH, IN THE GRASS IS TO BECOME PARKING, YOU'LL SEE IN THE LANDS.
AND THERE'S A MUCH WIDER VIEW HERE IN, YOU CAN SEE THE WALKWAY FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THE LEFT, UH, AND THE PRIVATE, UH, DRIVEWAY HERE ON THE RIGHT.
AND THEN A VIEW THROUGH, UM, TO THE BACK SIDE, THE PAVED AREA BEHIND THE BUILDING.
THEN, UH, FROM THE STREET, AGAIN, ZIPPING ALL THE WAY AROUND BACK TO THE STREET AND LOOKING AT THE SPACE, UH, AND THE AREA BETWEEN, UH, THE BUILDING AND THE ADJACENT HOUSING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? THIS IS PRIMARILY OCCUPIED BY A, UM, A LARGE BRICK WALL THAT HAS, UM, SOME OUTDOOR SPACE BETWEEN, UH, ENCLOSING SOME OUTDOOR SPACE THERE ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THAT SAYS YOU GET CLOSER, THAT WALL CONTINUES BACK.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE NEW FENCE FOR THE, UM, GENERATOR WILL CONTINUE PAST THE END OF THIS BRICK WALL.
SO HERE IS, UH, STOCKER'S, UM, PRESENTATION THAT WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE TIMES NOW, UM, YOU CAN SEE ALREADY.
UM, FIRST THING IS TO REMOVE THE CHAIN LINK, UH, PROVIDE THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
UH, PROVIDE NEW SIDING AND WASHING THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
UH, PRETTY MUCH MORE OF THE SAME HERE WITH, UH, PROVIDING A NEW ORNAMENTAL GATE ACCESS TO THE COURTYARD IN BETWEEN THERE AND SOME NEW, UH, EXTERIOR LIGHTING WALL PACKS.
UH, THEN WASHING, UH, SOME OF MORE OF THE SAME AGAIN NOW.
UH, AN ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACE, UH, WITH CURB RAMP AND SIGNAGE AND IMPROVED LANDSCAPING AT THE BUILDING FOUNDATION.
LET'S SEE, UM, IN IMPROVED LANDSCAPING, I'LL POINT OUT NEW THINGS.
THERE'LL BE THE BRONZE ALUMINUM STOREFRONT.
UM, NEW ROOF SHINGLES AND, UH, REMOVING COMMERCIAL ROOFTOP VENTILATION YOU SEE THERE.
UM, RESTORE THE SOFFIT, UM, NEW GUTTER AND DOWNSPOUT, WHICH WOULD BE ALUMINUM.
UM, NEW SIDING WITH A SMOOTH CEMENT BOARD.
BATMAN PAINTED, UH, LET'S SEE, NEW GUTTER.
OKAY, THIS INFILL EXISTING WINDOW AT THE FRONT PROVIDE NEW LIGHTING WALL PACKS.
SAID THAT, UH, REPLACE WARPED AND ROTTEN FASCIA AND WRAP THE FASCIA WITH PRE-FINISHED METAL.
UH, NEW INSULATED METAL ENTRY DOOR.
UM, REMOVE ARTIFICIAL SURFACING.
THAT MUST BE THE, THE, THE GROUND OUTDOOR GROUND SURFACE.
AND LET'S SEE, NOTHING NEW THERE.
REMOVE REMAINDER OF OVERGROWTH FROM UTILITY LINES.
UH, REMOVE UNNECESSARY CONCRETE AREAS.
UH, PROVIDE NEW SIDEWALK, UH, PROVIDE NEW DOOR INSULATED METAL PAINTED RESTORE.
UM, IN THE EXISTING DOOR OPENING WITH NEW WOOD FRAMING AND NEW SIDING.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT THE DESIGNER REVIEW MEETING.
PROVIDE THE RIGID INSULATION WHITE PVC MEMBRANE ROOF PLACE WARED IN ROT.
FACIA, WE HAVE REMOVE COMMERCIAL ROOFTOP VENTILATION, REMOVE THROUGH VENTS TO SECONDARY AREA, VISUAL CONCERN OR RELOCATE,
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SORRY, THROUGH VENTS TO SECONDARY AREA VISUAL CONCERN.THREE TAB ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES, WASH MASONRY MECHANICAL COURTYARD ENCLOSURE.
PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE, WES THROUGH WALL AND LOCATE HVAC EQUIPMENT WITHIN COURTYARD AND BEHIND LANDSCAPING OR ON ROOF CONCEALED LOCATION.
OKAY, SO HERE WE HAVE THE PLANS AND, UM, I THINK SO SINCE THE DESIGN REVIEW, UH, THE GENERATOR AREA HAS, UM, BEEN SOLIDIFIED, IT'S NOW GOING TO BE A, THE FULL AREA WILL BE A CONCRETE PAD AND THE ORNAMENTAL FENCE, UH, WILL GO AROUND IT.
AND THERE'S A GATE HERE IN THIS CORNER.
OTHERWISE, I THINK NOTHING ELSE HAS CHANGED.
YES, SO WE STILL HAVE THAT ONE.
UM, THIS ONE, UH, WINDOW PANEL, UH, IS STILL TO BE INFILLED TO PROVIDE STACKING FOR THE FOLDING DOORS, OR NOT STACKING, BUT, UM, ATTACHMENT.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE ROOF PLAN WITH THE WALLS SHOWN UNDERNEATH.
UH, THEN THIS IS THE SITE PLAN NOW.
SO WITH THIS, UH, SO HERE YOU CAN SEE HOW THE GRASSY AREA BECOMES A PARKING LOT.
AND THEN AT THE CORNER OF THE PARKING LOT IS THE DUMPSTER AND THE DUMPSTER, RATHER THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
UH, THE NEW PAVING FOR THAT AND THE NEW PAVING, UH, FOR THE DRIVE, FOR THE, THE DRIVEWAY TO THE, UM, PARKING LOT.
UM, THE, UH, PAD FOR THE GENERATOR AND THE FENCING.
UH, AND THEN THE NEW CONCRETE PAD AND SIDEWALK IS POINTED OUT EVERYWHERE WITH THIS, UH, MEDIUM GRAY COLOR THAT'S SPECKLED.
UM, THERE'S A NEW CURB AND GUTTER, UM, NEAR THAT TREE.
AND THEN ALSO AROUND, UH, THE GRASSY, UH, AREA HERE AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING AND NEW, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, SO THAT, UH, THAT CONCRETE AREA BEHIND THE BUILDING WILL ALL BE APPARENTLY RIPPED UP AND REPLACED WITH SOME SIDEWALKS, SOME OF THE PARKING AREAS THERE.
AND THEN SOME GREEN, UH, LAWN AREA AS WELL.
AND THERE'S NEW CONCRETE STEPS OUT FRONT WITH A HANDRAIL.
THEN THE NEXT ONE IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO THIS SHOWS, UM, BASICALLY NEW PLANTINGS AROUND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
ALL THESE, UH, DARKER AREAS OR VARIOUS DIFFERENT KINDS OF PLANTS.
THEN ROUNDING THE CORNER, SOME PLANTS THERE AS WELL.
UM, THE LARGE TREE IS TO REMAIN THERE.
UH, AND THEN, UM, THERE'S SOME TREES HERE IN THE, AT THE NEW ENTRANCE TO THE DRIVEWAY.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, UH, BETWEEN THAT AND THE, THE, THE PATH TO THE DUMPSTER, UH, THEN THERE'LL BE SOME NEW PLANTINGS ALONG THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, THE GRASSY AREA AND THE GREEN AREA THAT WAS SHOWN.
AND THEN AROUND TO THE END AND DOWN ALSO AROUND TO THE, UH, FENCING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE, UM, GENERATOR.
AND THEN, UH, SOME TREES ALONG THE PARKING LOT AND SOME SHRUBS.
LET'S SEE, WHAT'S THAT? SO HERE'S A, UH, UH, COLORIZED ELEVATION, UH, OF THE FRONT.
SO, UM, HERE'S THE BOARD AND BATTEN, INSTEAD OF HORIZONTAL SIDING, IT'S BOARD AND BATTEN HERE.
UH, AND THE ROOFING IS THE NEW, UH, ASPHALT SHINGLES.
UM, LET'S SEE THIS, THIS IS THE EXISTING BRICK WALL, SO NONE OF THAT'S REALLY CHANGED EXCEPT FOR, UH, ONE OF THE WINDOWS HAS BEEN FILLED IN AND THE BOARD AND BATTEN THEN ON THE LEFT ELEVATION.
UM, SO THE FRONT IS OUT TO THE RIGHT.
UH, THERE'S A NEW GATE TO BE ADDED.
THE, THAT CHAIN LINK FENCING IS REMOVED.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE BOARD AND BATTEN ON THE, UM,
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TALL PART OF THE, OF THE, UH, THE BUILDING THAT'S BEHIND HERE WITH ALL OF ITS, UH, CLARA STORY, ESSENTIALLY WINDOWS UP THERE.THEN, UH, THE REAR ELEVATION, UM, IS RELATIVELY UNCHANGED EXCEPT FOR THE, UH, THE PLANTINGS THAT ARE HERE.
AND THEN THAT ONE, UH, WINDOW THAT IS TO BE BLOCKED OUT.
UM, ARE YOU USING SPANEL GLASS NOW? SORRY? ARE YOU USING SPANEL GLASS NOW FOR THAT, FOR THAT WHERE YOU'RE CLOSING UP THAT WINDOW ON THE BACK? OH, WE WERE PLANNING ON USING THE SAME MATERIAL AS THE SIDINGS, THE BOARDING BATON TO COVER THAT UP, THAT SMALL AREA WHERE WE'RE OKAY, COVERING UP.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT DOESN'T SHOW HERE.
BUT THEN, SO ONE OF THESE PANELS WILL LOOK LIKE BOARD AND BATTEN.
YEAH, IT'S THE ONE TO THE LEFT ON THIS ONE OVER HERE? YEAH, THAT, YEAH.
IT'S JUST WE, UH, WE JUST HAVEN'T CHANGED IT THERE 'CAUSE WE'RE, UM, FIGURING OUT THE EXACT SIZE WE NEED WITH THE MM-HMM
AND, UH, ON THE LEFT HERE, THIS IS THE, UM, RENDERING OF THE, UM, ORNAMENTAL FENCING THAT YOU CAN'T SEE AT THE SCALE.
IS MORE THAN JUST A BLACK WALL
UM, AND THIS KIND OF DEMONSTRATES THE SIZE OF THE GENERATOR ITSELF, LOOKING OVER THE BACK, OH NO, WHAT DID I DO? THERE WE GO.
UM, WHAT ELSE IS ON HERE? THAT'S IT.
SO THEN THE RIGHT ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE ONE FACING THE HOUSING ON THE SIDE, UH, THIS IS THAT EXISTING BRICK WALL.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN A NEW, UM, ORNAMENTAL WOOD GATE HERE, NOT WOOD, ORNAMENTAL METAL GATE HERE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE, UH, THE FENCING FOR THE GENERATOR HERE, UM, AND ALL THAT VERTICAL BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING AND NEW ROOFING AND CLEAN BRICK.
AND THIS IS A SECTION THROUGH THE BUILDING AT THE ENTRANCE.
SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE BOTTOM RELIEF PIECE HERE AND THEN THE BOARD AND BATTEN AND SUCH BEHIND IT OR AROUND IT.
UH, HERE'S A SKETCH OF THE, UH, TRASH ENCLOSURE.
SO IT'S ENTIRELY SURROUNDED BY BRICK ON FOUR SIDE, FOUR SIDES.
BUT THIS GATE ON THE FRONT, UM, ALSO, AND, UH, THE BRICK WALL IS, UH, CAPPED BY SOME BY CONCRETE.
AND THEN THESE ARE THE SKETCHES OF THE SIDE OF THE FENCE AND INDICATING THE, UH, THREE INCH MAXIMUM SPACING BETWEEN THE VERTICAL PIECES.
AND THEN, UM, A DETAIL OF THE, UH, STAIRWAY AND HANDRAIL.
THEN WE HAVE THE Z AND I FORM.
SO FOR THREE 14 LIBERTY STREET, UM, IT'S IN PAR SIX.
UM, BUT IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING.
AND, UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS INDICATED THAT IT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE WRONG ONE AGAIN.
A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS, UH, BECAUSE IT'S CHANGING THE USE FROM ONE TO ANOTHER.
AND THEN, UH, THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS INDICATED THAT IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, MR. CHAIR, MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, UM, SIMILAR TO ONE OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE SEEN TONIGHT.
UM, WE HAVE VIRTUALLY THE SAME ISSUE.
AND YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD IN, UM, PROCESSING THE COA TONIGHT WITHOUT THE OTHER ENTITLEMENTS COMPLAINTS.
EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE QUESTION.
I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO IT FOR ONE AND NOT YEAH.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THE FOOTPRINT IS STAYING THE SAME AS IF NOT.
THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT ITSELF, BUILDING FOOTPRINTS.
IT'S A QUESTION OF WHAT GOES WHERE.
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WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ZONING APPROVAL.I BELIEVE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO STOP THE PROCESS.
SO WE WERE ALSO UNDER THE IMPRESSION, 'CAUSE WE'VE SPOKEN TO KENDRICK, WE WERE ALSO UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE GONNA SUBMIT THIS FOR YOU GUYS TO APPROVE FIRST, AND THEN ONCE YOU GUYS APPROVE IT, THEN KENDRICK AND THEM WILL GET ALL THE YEAH, I, UH, DON'T DISPUTE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT YOU'VE HEARD OUR ATTORNEY, SO IF IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN THIS WAY.
AND WE'VE TURNED OTHER PEOPLE DOWN.
I THINK YOU SAT HERE TONIGHT MM-HMM
SO WE HAVE TO GET THE SITE, UM, CHECK REVIEWED BY THEM, AND THEN WE GO BACK TO YOU GUYS SPECIAL.
IT'S THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING A HEARING LIKE THIS.
'CAUSE WE HAD THEM, WE WERE PLANNING ON, ON OUR SCHEDULE TO GO TO THEM FOR THE REVIEW FOR ALL THE SPECIAL PERMITS.
WE HAVE IT DOWN FOR THE SIXTH AND THE 18TH OF NEXT MONTH.
SO THEN WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET ALL THAT WORKED OUT WITH 'EM, AND THEN WE GO BACK TO YOU GUYS THE MONTH AFTER.
SO THE 18TH IS BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING OR AFTER? YEAH, THE SIXTH.
16TH IS THE NEXT MEETING WITH YOU GUYS, BUT THE, UM, FOR THE SPECIAL PERMITS AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTAL SITE REVIEW, THEIRS IS ON THE 18TH.
SO LET, THEY'RE NOT GONNA EAT ON FRIDAY EVENING.
THEY MAY HAVE A JUNE MEETING THIS MONTH.
THE, THE NEXT MEETING OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS NEXT WEEK.
WHICH THAT DEADLINE HAS ALREADY PASSED.
UM, THE NEXT, THE IMMEDIATE NEXT, UM, MEETING OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, ACCORDING TO THE ONLINE MEETING SCHEDULE IS JULY 24TH.
LET'S SEE, AUGUST GONNA SET YOU BACK TWO MONTHS ON THIS PROJECT.
ACTUALLY ON HERE IT SAYS THE DEPARTMENTAL SITE PLAN REVIEW IS ALSO ON JULY 16TH.
THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
WELL, FOR THE, I THINK THAT WAS GONNA INCLUDE ALL OUR, UM, THAT WAS RELATED TO THE SPECIALTIES PERMIT THAT WE'D NEED.
WELL, YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE THAT FOR DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE ALL GONNA GO FOR THAT MEETING.
AND THAT'S, WE WERE UNDER, THAT'S WHY WE WERE ALSO UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WOULD, UM, GET THE APPROVAL FROM YOU GUYS SO THEN THEY CAN APPROVE WHAT WE WANTED TO GIVE THEM.
I, I THINK AS AN ASIDE, THEY NEED SOME FEEDBACK THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE TELLING PEOPLE TO COME HERE WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THAT APPROVAL.
NO, IT'S, OR CHANGE THE POLICY OR CHANGE WHAT, OR CHANGE THE POLICY.
BUT IS IT A POLICY OR CAN WE ISSUE AN APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING WHERE THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT? THAT'S, THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE.
YET THEY HAVE OUR APPROVAL, BUT THEY CAN'T DO IT, BUT THEY CAN'T DO IT.
WELL, THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH US.
IT'S A SHAME TO MAKE THEM COME BACK AND DO THE SAME PROCESS AGAIN.
I JUST NEED TO GO THE NEXT STEP.
WELL, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT CAME, CAME TO US.
DID I, IF IT WASN'T IN THE SEQUENCE, PROPER SEQUENCE.
AND NOW THAT THEY'RE HERE, I, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD, ALTHOUGH YOU WOULD HOPE THAT THE NEXT TIME THEY COME HERE, IT'LL BE A MUCH ABBREVIATED PRESENTATION AND, AND I, AND I WOULD THINK THAT OUR STAFF ADMINISTRATOR COULD PUT 'EM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
BUT I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S REALLY A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ISSUE.
SO I, I NEED A MOTION AND, AND VOTE.
I MOVE, WE CONTINUE THIS HEARING TO THE AUGUST, I GUESS WOULD BE AUGUST UNTIL JULY 20TH TO THE AUGUST 20TH HBC MEETING IN THIS ROOM AT 5:30 PM IN ORDER FOR YOU TO OBTAIN ZONING APPROVAL.
WE, UH, CONTINUE THIS PROJECT TILL AUGUST 22, ET CETERA.
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AYE.WE'RE TRYING TO NOT HAVE YOU LAST.
UH, SINCE THIS IS GETTING RESUMED, YOU SAID ON AUGUST, UM, ANY FEEDBACKS ON WHAT WE HAVE TODAY? WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THEN? YES.
WE GAVE YOU FEEDBACK AT DESIGNERS.
WE GAVE YOU THE FEEDBACK AND DESIGN.
YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE ANY SIGNIFICANCE.
YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK FOR MORE.
I, I JUST, I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE WE'D NEED FOR RIGHT FROM THIS REVIEW OTHER THAN GETTING ALL THE APPLICATION SPECIAL PERMITS FIGURED OUT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OLD BUSINESS PUBLIC COMMENTS, IF THERE ARE ANY.
I'M GONNA SUGGEST THEY BE VERY BRIEF BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A VERY LONG NEED.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.
I'D LIKE TO REITERATE THAT IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL AND I KNOW APPRECIATED BY MANY AS WELL AS ENTIRELY IN YOUR PURVIEW.
IF THIS BOARD WOULD TAKE A LEADERSHIP POSITION AND BEGIN A PUBLICLY INCLUSIVE PROCESS TO UPDATE THE HPC GUIDELINES AND THEIR APPLICATION TO BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WILLING TO HELP TONIGHT.
I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT HOW A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD, HOW QUASI-JUDICIAL JUDICIAL BOARDS ENSURE THEIR DECISION MAKING PROCESSES REMAIN FAIR AND IMPARTIAL.
UNDER THIS BOARD'S AUTHORITY, I VALUE TRANSPARENCY AND OBJECTIVITY.
SO UNDERSTANDING THIS PROCESS IS IMPORTANT TO ME.
IN A RECENT DISCUSSION, THE BOARD CONSIDERED A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PARTIAL REMOVAL OF VINYL SIDING, APPROXIMATELY 25% ON ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE FOR REPAIRS, WITH PLANS TO REPLACE IT WITH MATCHING VINYL.
HOWEVER, ONE MEMBER SEEMED VERY OPPOSED TO VINYL REPLACEMENT.
AND AFTER IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT THE STATE WAS FUNDING THE PROJECT, THE BOARD'S DECISION SHIFTED.
IT ULTIMATELY, THE BOARD ULTIMATELY REQUIRED THE REMOVAL OF ALL THE VINYL SIDING MANDATING EITHER THE REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT OF THE ORIGINAL SIDING, WHICH LIKELY ADDS SIGNIFICANT COSTS BORN BY THE TAXPAYERS FOR LEAD ABATEMENT AND ADDITIONAL REPAIRS.
ADDITIONALLY, THE EXTRA FUNDING REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT LIKELY TAKES HELP AWAY FROM THE NEXT PEOPLE IN THE END CORE LINE THROUGHOUT THE DISCUSSION PHRASES SUCH AS, IT WOULDN'T HURT MY FEELINGS, DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND OUR INCLINATION WERE USED.
THE APPARENT INFLUENCE OF PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND FUNDING CONSIDERATION RAISES CONCERNS ABOUT ADHERENCE TO LEGAL AND ETHICAL STANDARDS.
I REQUEST CLARIFICATION ON HOW THE BOARD WILL ENSURE ITS DECISIONS REMAIN IMPARTIAL, EVIDENCE-BASED AND IN THE INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
DO YOU CARE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION? NOT TONIGHT, NO.
TWO OTHER VERY SHORT QUESTIONS.
COMMITTEE MEETINGS HAVE NOT FOLLOWED NORTH CAROLINA OPEN MEETING LAW.
I UNDERSTAND THAT COMMITTEE MEETINGS ARE NOW BEING PUT ON PAUSED, BUT THEY'RE STILL LISTED ON YOUR WEBSITE WITHOUT REQUIRED CALENDARS OR MINUTES.
DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO RESOLVE OR RESTART COMMITTING MEETINGS AND WILL THEY INVOLVE THE PUBLIC? UH, THERE WILL BE.
UM, AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW AT THE TIME ON THE WEBSITE, HOWEVER WE NORMALLY DO IT.
THAT'S THE HPC CHAIR'S RESPONSIBILITY, BUT THANK YOU.
IT'S, UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, YOU MAY RECALL THAT I WAS INSISTENT ON CONFIRMING MY DOCUMENTS FROM THE LAST MEETING WERE RECEIVED.
THEY WERE CONFIRMED RECEIVED, AND I WAS TOLD THAT THEY WOULD BE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD, WHICH INCLUDES BEING ADDED TO THE DOCUMENT PACKET.
MY DOCUMENTS STILL AREN'T THERE.
UM, I'M LOOKING FOR SOME INSIGHT INTO HOW INFORMATION IS PROPERLY BEING PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC AND NOT SUPPRESSED.
THAT'S ALSO THE HPC CHAIR'S RESPONSIBILITY.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING HELPFUL, PUBLIC DOCUMENTS ARE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.
JUST BECAUSE A DOCUMENT IS NOT PUBLISHED ON THE INTERNET DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYBODY CAN, CAN, THAT'S THE ANSWER, COMMENT, AND DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT HAVE TO BE DISTRIBUTED AS PART OF THE PACKET.
SO I'M BETTER OFF POSTING THEM ON, UM, THE WEBSITE, THE FACEBOOK PAGE.
YOU, YOU HEARD THE ANSWER? OKAY.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I WILL POST THEM ON DEAR NEWBURN HPC FACEBOOK PAGE FOR THE PUBLIC TO ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.
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A QUESTION FOR THE BOARD.UM, CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE? EXCUSE ME? CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF? I, MR. DEZA, WHO, UM, WHO ARE YOU? MR. ZA.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TRAINING YOU I'VE HAD, BUT, UM, IS THERE ANYONE ON THE BOARD HERE OR IS THERE ANYONE, IS THE BOARD A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS? YES, THE WHOLE BOARD IS.
HAVE YOU GONE THROUGH THE TRAINING? HAVE YOU BEEN TO CAMP? NOT CAMP, NO.
IS THERE ANY PLAN TO SEND ANYONE TO CAMP SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND EXACTLY, UM, WHAT BEST PRACTICES ARE? WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET TO SEND ANYONE TO ANYWHERE.
WELL, IS THAT SOMETHING MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO? UH, YOU CAN ASK THE ALDERMAN.
AND ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICES IN TERMS OF REVIEWING MATERIALS FOR EVERY FIVE YEARS? REPEAT YOUR QUESTION.
ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF PRESERVATION COMMISSION, A HP C'S RESPONSIBILITY AND BEST PRACTICES IS THEY DO REVIEWING MATERIALS EVERY FIVE YEARS.
BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT MATERIAL FOR RESILIENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY, PARTICULARLY WITH CLIMATE CHANGE.
I HAVE NOT SEEN A REVIEW OR A CHANGE IN MATERIALS LIST IN 10 YEARS.
YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING BEST PRACTICES.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE THE NEXT MEETING YOU COULD EXPLAIN HOW YOU'RE GOING TO IMPROVE YOUR, CAN YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE? TWO POLICY.
[7.A. Revisions to the Historic District Design Principles and Standards]
REVISION DISTRICT, UH, PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.UM, WE, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION OF THE BOARD AND, AND I'VE, UM, USED THE PHRASE THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THE NORMAL PROCESS FOR CHANGING OUR GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS.
THERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OF US WHO HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UH, AND, AND SO I'VE ASKED SOME OF THE OLDER MEMBERS, UH, TO GIVE ME A, A MORE SPECIFIC, UM, DETAIL OF WHAT THAT INVOLVES.
UH, SO EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH IT, AND I ASSUME OLD FOLKS LIKE YOU WILL, UH, COMMENT IF I'VE DEVIATED FROM WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
UM, THE, THE FIRST STEP WOULD WOULD BE TO SUMMARIZE THE VARIOUS CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IN VARIOUS MEETINGS.
AND I THINK ALL OF YOU AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO, WHY DON'T WE CHANGE THIS OR THAT, UH, UH, THOSE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RETAINED.
OUR, OUR RESIDENT RETAINER OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS HAS BEEN TRICKED.
UM, THE SECOND STEP IN THE PROCESS IS TO REVIEW ALL THE POTENTIAL CHANGES AT AN HPC MEETING.
SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S ON THE, ON, ON THE BOARD IN TERMS OF, UH, POTENTIAL CHANGES.
UH, WE, WE WILL THEN HAVE A SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH VARIOUS GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY TO GET SUGGESTIONS FOR OTHER POTENTIAL CHANGES.
IN THE PAST, THE GROUPS THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED ARE HYDRA AND SIMILAR GROUPS WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICT, SWISS BAY, DOWNTOWN, BUSINESS BUSINESSES, LOCAL ATTORNEYS, REALTORS, DEVELOPERS AND CONTRACTORS AND OTHERS.
SO IT'S A FAIRLY BROAD, UH, PROCESS TO GET INPUT.
UM, UH, THE, A A COMMITTEE, AND I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS CALLED THE GUIDELINES UPDATE COMMITTEE IN THE PAST, I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT WAS COMMITTED, BUT A COMMITTEE OF BOARD MEMBERS AND AND ADMINISTRATION HAVE, UM, TAKEN THOSE VARIOUS INPUTS AND, AND, UH, CONSIDERED THEM, CONSIDERED THE APPROPRIATENESS OF NEED.
THE FORMULATION OF THE WORDING FOR PROPOSED, UH, REVISIONS TO THE GUIDELINES.
AND THE COMPLETED PROJECT IS GIVEN A DRAFT FORM TO ALL THE HPC MEMBERS AND PUBLISHED ONLINE PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HPC MEETING IN WHICH THE, THEY WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR ADOPTION AND PUBLIC INPUT WILL BE HEARD AT THAT MEETING.
GUIDELINES CHANGES WILL BE VOTED UPON.
WE EXPECT THIS PROCESS, AS HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, WILL TAKE APPROXIMATELY A YEAR.
SO IT'S BEGINNING NOW IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, AND WE'LL COME TO, UH, CONCLUSION IN ABOUT A YEAR.
UM, THE APPROVED VERSION IS FORWARD TO THE PLANNING AND COMMISSION FOR THEIR APPROVAL AND, AND THEN GOES TO THE ALDERMAN.
AND INHERENT IN THIS, I SHOULD MENTION AT THE OUTSET, THE BOARD OVER THE YEARS HAS CHOSEN NOT TO MAKE PIECEMEAL CHANGES TO THE GUIDELINES, THIS ONE, AND SENDING IT TO THE ALDERMEN, YOU KNOW, ONE A MONTH OR WHATEVER, AND TO DO IT IN ONE FELL SWOOP, IF YOU WILL.
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AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE NEXT YEAR.UM, UH, ANY COMMENTS FROM THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A BIT LONG WHILE? YEAH, JUST, JUST A, A, A FEW MORE DETAILS.
UH, WHAT WE DID IN, UH, 2006, UH, IT WAS 14 15, 16.
I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS A HUGE EFFORT TO UPDATE NOT ONLY THE GUIDELINES, BUT THE RULES OF PROCEDURE AND THE, THE, UH, PRESERVATION, WHAT WE CALL THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, THE PART OF THE CITY ORDINANCE.
UH, SO WE DID HAVE, UM, NUMEROUS WORKSHOPS.
WE HAD A WORKSHOP WITH, UH, PRESERVATION NORTH CAROLINA, MARA, HOWARD KING, AND, UH, SPENT TIME WITH US AN ENTIRE AFTERNOON GOING THROUGH A LOT OF DETAILS AND UPDATING THE GUIDELINES, THE INTENT OF, UH, OF STATE STATUTES.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO, WHO DON'T, YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW, UH, MYRICK HELPED TO WRITE THE ORIGINAL STATE STATUTES ON PRESERVATION BACK IN THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES.
HE'S BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THAT.
UH, WE HAD, UM, SEVERAL, UM, UH, PHONE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT.
I REMEMBER IN PARTICULAR, DAVID OWENS.
UH, HE IS CONSIDERED, HE WAS CONSIDERED THE LEADING EXPERT ON LAND USE LAW IN NORTH CAROLINA.
SO HE WAS VERY HAPPY, UH, VERY HELPFUL IN GUIDING US FORWARD.
UH, WE HAD A WORKSHOP WITH THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.
UH, THEY WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO COME HERE AND MEET WITH US, I THINK, FOR, UH, BASICALLY AN ENTIRE DAY.
UH, WE REVIEWED THE GUIDELINES WITH THEM AND THEY MADE, UM, SUGGESTIONS.
AND, UH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.
UH, WE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE WANTED TO DO, WE WANTED THE CITY ATTORNEY TO REVIEW ANY, THE, THE GUIDELINES AND RULES OF PROCEDURE.
AND WE HAD, UH, SHIPPO ALSO REVIEW THE GUIDELINES AND RULES PROCEDURE AS FAR AS OUR, OUR, UH, FINAL ISSUE.
UH, AND JAMIE, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE STATE STATUTES HAVE CHANGED SO THAT NOW A MUNICIPALITY, UH, CAN, CAN, UH, UM, ALLOW THE HPC TO MAKE GUIDELINE CHANGES AND THE HPC CAN APPROVE THOSE CHANGES.
BUT WHAT WE DID HERE IN NEW BERN, UH, I HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, SCOTT DAVIS, THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, WHEN HE WAS IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE ORDINANCES.
AND, UH, I CONVINCED HIM THAT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA FOR THE H-P-C-H-P-C NOT TO HAVE SOLE AUTHORITY ON UPDATING THE GUIDELINES, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR INPUT FROM, FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE KEPT THE, UH, THE PROCESS AS IT WAS BEFORE THAT WE FOLLOWED BACK IN 2016, WHICH IS THE HPC HAS TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, WE TYPICALLY HAVE MORE THAN THAT.
WE, UH, UH, WILL APPROVE THE GUIDELINE DOCUMENT.
THAT GUIDELINE DOCUMENT THEN GOES TO PLANNING AND ZONING.
THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT AND ACCEPT PUBLIC INPUT.
AND THEN THEY MAKE A, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
THEN THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN HAS A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STEPS HERE.
NOT ONLY DO, NOT ONLY FROM OUR FORUMS AS THAT THE HPC HOLDS, BUT ALSO OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR INPUT.
AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE BIG THING, IS TO HAVE SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES, FORMAL PUBLIC HEARINGS WHERE PEOPLE COULD, UH, COULD MAKE COMMENTS ON THE GUIDELINES.
CAN I, ONE OTHER, UH, WOULD YOU ALLOW TO COMMENT ON, NO, NOT REALLY, TIM.
IT'S NOT A DEBATE, BUT THE, IT, THE ALDERMANS DO, THE PROCESS DOES REQUIRE AN ALDERMAN VOTE.
THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE CHOSE TO DO.
JAMIE, COULD YOU, COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT, MR. CHAIR? UM, RESPECTFULLY, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN USING A PRINTED AGENDA THIS EVENING AND THE TIME FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT HAS CONCLUDED.
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YEAH.UM, SO AT THIS POINT, THIS IS THE BOARD'S DISCUSSION YEAH.
ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT YOU JUST ESPOUSED.
I THINK MR. TOKIN JUST EXPANDED UPON.
SO IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS MOMENT TO REFOCUS THE BOARD'S ATTENTION ON THE AGENDA ITEM THAT WE'RE ON YEAH.
SO THAT WE CAN PROCEEDING WITH THE ATION.
AND I, I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT IF YOU AGREE WITH THE LAST TIME, IT WAS A COMPLETE, ABSOLUTELY COMPLETE.
AND I THINK NOW, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, WE'RE CLOSER TO LOOKING AT THIS GUIDELINE, THAT GUIDELINE AND SAY WE'RE STANDARD.
AND SAYING, CAN WE DO THIS? WE'RE NOT INVENTING THE WHOLE THING.
'CAUSE IT INCLUDED THE NARRATIVES AND ALL THAT.
[7.B. Outgoing members and upcoming HPC election July 16]
THE NEXT ITEM THAT THERE ARE, UH, I GUESS THREE MEMBERS, UM, LEAVING, THE ONE'S ALREADY LEFT, MARCUS LEFT AND THERE'S SOMEBODY APPOINTED FOR HIM.AND THEN, UH, THERE'S SOMEBODY APPOINTED FOR, FOR ME, AND HE'LL BE JOINING YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I BELIEVE IT IS THAT NEXT NIGHT.
UH, HE TOLD ME HE WAS APPOINTED, SO I, HE WAS MM-HMM
I, I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS OF TRIPS REPLACEMENT.
UH, I DON'T NEED SO FAR NO ONE YET, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
WHO, WHO'S ON NOW?
ROTATE GOT APPOINTED IN YOUR SPOT.
AND JOHN SCHNEE ACTUALLY WAS ALREADY A MEMBER.
BECAUSE HE WAS APPOINTED PHIL.
THERE'S TWO, THE MAYOR HAS ONE.
SOMEBODY WANTS, UH, AND, UM, MOLLY IS YET TO BE REAPPOINTED.
UM, SO, AND, AND ALL THAT HEADS TO THE, IN THE, UH, JULY MEETING, THEN THERE'LL BE, UH, ELECTIONS.
AND, AND THERE'LL BE THREE, PROBABLY THREE NEW MEMBERS AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL UP TO YOU TO HANDLE THAT.
[8. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT A. Report On Major CoAs Denied (April 4 to June 4): None B. Report on Major CoAs, Extensions, Amendments, and Condition Approvals Issued (April 4 to June 4): 100 Middle St. – revise plaiting islands, replace trees 210 New St. – remove brick wall, new parking area, landscaping 211 Johnson St. – landscaping, pavers, gas lamp along street (approved in 9/2024) 221 Middle St. – façade modifications, new rear freezer 403 E. Front St. (Shriners Temple) – partial demolition and redevelopment 507 E. Front St. – rehabilitate front and back porches 525 Queen St. – new door, relocate window 613 Pollock St. (Tryon Palace) – demolish 6 accessory buildings, new greenhouse C. Report on Minor CoAs Issued (April 4 to June 4): 000 Broad St. (Fishing pier) – pier lighting 214 S. Front St. – tree replacement 214 S. Front St. – concrete patio 228 Craven St. – two new HVAC units on a platform 250 Middle St. – install fabric awning 315 Bern St. ROW – tree replacement 330 E. Front St. – replacement of floating pier with permanent pier 403 Queen St. – access hatch and flood vents 405 Middle St. – remove and install 2 signs 411 Johnson St. – wood railings on front porch 413 George St. – replace 2 HVAC units 510-C Pollock St. – siding and trim replacement 516 Metcalf St. – replace HVAC unit 613 Pollock St. (along Eden St. ROW) – tree replacement 711 Pollock St. – replace doors 1301 National Ave. – tree replacement Downtown Historic District (Metronet) – fiber optic cables, equipment, and access boxes About 15 pending D. Other Items and Updates by the Administrator Prevention of Demolition by Neglect Case Resolved: 508 C ST. – Order of the Building Inspector issued 8/29/2023, due date 2/1/2024; new owner, CoA applications submitted, CoAs approved, work completed, to be removed from DBN list. Work Group meetings]
MATT, UH, YOUR REPORT? UM, THE MAIN ONE IS, UH, THAT, UM, FIRST WE, UH, HAD QUITE A SLEW OF, UH, MINOR COAS ISSUED SINCE THE LAST TIME, WHICH WAS TWO MONTHS AGO.UH, BUT THAT'S MOSTLY THANKS TO, UH, ROBERT, WHO WAS, UH, FILLING MY SEAT WHILE I WAS GONE.
UH, SO HE, UH, MANAGED TO GET A LOT OUT.
THEN NEVERTHELESS, WE STILL HAVE ABOUT 15 TO GO.
THE, THE BIG ONE IS, UH, HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN GREEN IS THAT, UH, WE, UH, HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY, UM, REMOVE, UH, A PARTICULAR STRUCTURE FROM, UH, THE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT CASES THAT WENT AS FAR AS, UM, TO THE, UM, CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR AND, AND A, UH, WHAT DO THEY CALL THAT? UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR ORDER OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, FILED WITH THE, UH, UH, COUNTY COURTS.
SO, UM, THE, THE HOUSE WAS THEN SOLD, UH, TO A NEW, UH, OWNER.
AND THAT NEW OWNER WENT RIGHT IN AND WAS DOING ALL THE RENOVATIONS.
AND WE'VE HAD EVEN HAD A COUPLE OF COA APPLICATIONS HERE FOR THAT.
UM, UH, SO, AND SOME MINORS AS WELL.
UM, SO NOW IT WAS FINALLY COMPLETED A MONTH OR TWO AGO.
UH, AND SO IT'S READY TO BE REMOVED FROM THE, FROM THE LIST.
SO WAS THAT THE NEXT DOOR TO THE HOUSE? THE LADY THAT CAME THE EVENING AND TALKED ABOUT C STREET WERE THREE HOUSES IN THE, YEAH, THERE'S THREE HOUSES, BUT IT'S THE FIRST ONE OF THE THREE.
BUT I THINK SHE, SHE LIVES THERE AND IT KEEPS HER HOUSE UP.
SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS HOUSE, BUT I, I THINK SHE LIVES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO, BECAUSE THE OTHER TWO ARE OWNED BY TWO PEOPLE, UH, W2 ARE OWNED BY A COUPLE THAT ARE, UM, VERY SLOWLY DOING THE, UM, RENOVATIONS THAT THEY NEED TO DO.
IS THAT IT? UH, YES, I GUESS SO.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD PROOF? ALRIGHT.
[9. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]
WE ADJOURN, I JUST WANNA THANK OUR, OUR[03:45:01]
COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR SO LONG.I WAS TALKING TO JIM, HE SAID HE'S BEEN HERE EIGHT YEARS, HALF OF WHICH AS, AS CHAIR.
SOME OF THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN LONGER.
HE'S HE'S STILL AROUND THOUGH.
HE'S STILL, WHEN HE LEAVES, I'LL TALK TO HIM.
THAT, AND SO HAVEN'T GOTTEN RID OF ME YET.
YOU HERE FOR WHAT? SIX YEARS? THIS, THIS GO AROUND.
TRIP HAS HAD MULTIPLE TOUR OF DUTIES GOING ALL WAY BACK TO WHAT? THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
I THINK THAT THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY APPRECIATE HOW YOU GUYS HARD WORK.
MY PREDICTION IS DON'T GO AWAY TRIPS.
WHO THE MOTION? WHO DID THE MOTION? JIM DID THE MOTION SOMEWHERE THAT'S ON THE TABLE.