[1. OPENING OF MEETING WITH ROLL CALL]
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OKAY.IT'S FIVE 30 CALLED ORDER THE NEW BERN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING.
REGULAR MEETING OF ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. SHELLEY.
ALL ARE PRESENT, SO WE DEFINITELY HAVE A QUORUM.
UH, NO PRESENTATION OF CERTIFICATES OR APPRECIATION.
WELL, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? UH, NO.
AND NO PRESENTATION, NO CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION TONIGHT.
UH, THEN WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
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I HAVE, UH, LISTED COPIES OF THE MINUTES FROM 6 21 23 7 19 23, 2 26, 25, 4 16, 25, 6 18, 25, AND 7 16 25.AND I HAD MADE SOME TYPO CORRECTIONS TO YOU AND I BELIEVE, UH, UM, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS THAT, OR SIGNIFICANT, SO THE CORRECTIONS THAT WERE SENT TO ME WERE CORRECTED IN YOUR COPY THAT YOU WOULD THEN SIGN AS THE FINAL.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? SO MOVED.
CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED NOW HEARINGS
[5.A. 314 Liberty St. – Continued from the June 18, 2025 meeting to allow for Special Use Permit approval: to include various modifications and replacements on all AVCs]
ON CERTIFICATE OF CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS THREE 14 LIBERTY STREET.AND WE HAVE A NOTATION HERE THAT THAT APPLICATION IS TO BE CONTINUED TO OCTOBER 15TH, 2025.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT, PLEASE, MR. CHAIR, I'LL, I'LL, UM, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS, UM, THE HEARING ON THREE 14 LIBERTY STREET UNTIL OCTOBER 15TH, 2025 HBC MEETING IN THIS, IN THIS VERY ROOM AT FIVE 32ND.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, WE DO NEED TO GO THROUGH THE, UH, THE SUMMARY OF THE PROCESS.
I'M SURE EVERYBODY ELSE IS TOO.
SO THE PROCESS TONIGHT, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
IT'S RESPONSIBLE, PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BURN'S LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY GOVERNANCES, AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HPC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES DUE TO NEGLECT.
THE HPC HOLDS QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS.
ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WE HEAR SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.
THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION, THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINION, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES OR HEARSAY DURING A HEARING.
THE COMMISSION'S DECISION ON APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT THE HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
SO ANYONE WHO ATTENDS TO SPEAK OR PROVIDE TESTIMONY TONIGHT RELATED TO A COA APPLICATION ON THIS MEETING'S AGENDA MUST BE SWORN IN.
ANYONE WHO CHOOSES TO SPEAK OR HAS AN APPLICATION PENDING YES.
OR IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK READY, THE APPLICATION WHEN CAN COME FORWARD AND GET SWORN IN.
IF IT'S JUST PUBLIC COMMENT, THEY DO NOT NEED TO GET SWORN IN.
IF, IF YOU'RE THE PRESENTER OF THE APPLICATION, YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
DO YOU PROMISE TO SELL THE TRUTH AND WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO THE EXTENT OF YOUR ABILITY? I DO.
AND THEN PLEASE PRINT YOUR NAME IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY.
HERE'S A SUMMARY OF HOW WE WILL GENERALLY CONDUCT A HEARING ON A COA APPLICATION.
THE HBC ADMINISTRATOR PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT THEN, OR THE REPRESENTATIVE, PRESENTS THE APPLICATION.
PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO HAVE RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE HEARING,
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CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE REBUTTALS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE.OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WHAT WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED CAN PREVENT PRESENT EVIDENCE.
THE HBC ADMINISTRATOR PRESENTS THE STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE OR REPRESENTATIVE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS ON THE APPLICATION COMMISSIONERS, THEN DISCUSS THE EVIDENCE AND MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR PRESENTERS.
THE CHAIRMAN THEN CALLS FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION WITH STATED FINDINGS OF FACT.
THE MOTION IS THEN DISCUSSED BY COMMISSIONERS AND THEN THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A VOTE ON THE MOTION BY THE COMMISSION.
THE COA CAN BE APPROVED, APPROVED.
WHAT CONDITIONS WERE DENIED MR. CHAIR? YEAH, THAT WAS RIVETING.
UM, I STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE THOUGH.
[5.B. 500 Queen St. – Continued from the June 18 and July 16, 2025 meetings to allow for Special Use Permit approval: to include a new infill 2-story building with a 2-story detached garage and a parking lot.]
500 QUEEN STREET.THERE WAS A SUGGESTION TO CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION OF THE SEPTEMBER 17TH MEETING.
THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS NOT YET COMPLETED THEIR SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THESE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO CONTINUE? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE, UH, THE, UM, HEARING FOR THE COA FOR 500 QUEEN STREET TO, UH, FIVE 30 SEPTEMBER 17TH DURING THAT REGULAR MEETING HERE AT THIS LOCATION, WITH THE JUSTIFICATION BEING THE, UH, THE, UH, LAND USE PERMITS, UH, ARE NOT IN PLACE YET AND WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION UNTIL THAT HAPPENS.
[5.C. 209 Change St. – to include a full-parcel landscape plan with a gazebo, fencing, and a short garden wall in all AVCs.]
TO 2 0 9 CHANGE STREET, WHICH IS A FULL PARCEL LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH PERGOLA FENCING AND A SHORT GARDEN WALL AND ALL ABCS.ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA SKIP THROUGH A LOT OF PAGES HERE.
ALL THE MINUTES FIRST AND THEN 500 QUEEN STREET.
THIS IS THE APPLICATION, UH, FOR ROB BENSON AND TINA BOBA, UH, AND, UH, FOR THEIR PROJECT, UH, MOSTLY LANDSCAPING, BUT ALSO INCLUDING SOME FENCING AND, UH, PERGOLA AND A SMALL SHORT WALL OUT FRONT.
UH, AND HERE IT IS SIGNED AND ACTUALLY IT'S, IT'S DATED IN THAT TINY LITTLE SPOT THERE ABOVE THE WORD OWNER.
SO, UH, THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS.
WE'RE NOW DOING THIS, UH, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE, THE APPLICATION IN CASE THERE'S AN ISSUE, UH, SUCH AS WITH SUVS.
UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS THAT THE PROJECT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE OR ORDINANCE, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A ZONING PERMIT.
AND SECOND, THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
UM, IT'S NOT REQUIRED FOR THE PERGOLA, BUT REQUIRED FOR THE GAZEBO, BUT THAT GAZEBO DOES IS NOT PART OF THE PROJECT.
IT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING ON MY PART, UH, WEEK AGO.
UM, SO I COULD NOT FIND IT ON THE NO, RIGHT ON THE DRAWING.
UM, AND SO WE'LL START, WE'LL QUICKLY GO OVER WHAT WE WENT OVER IN DESIGN REVIEW, WHICH IS THE AERIAL VIEWS, UH, OF THE PROPERTY.
AND PARTICULARLY I HIGHLIGHTED THE FRONT.
UH, 'CAUSE AT THE TIME FOR DESIGN REVIEW, IT WAS JUST THIS SHORT WALL HERE WAS TO BE REPLACED.
UM, BUT, UM, NOW THE PRO, AND YOU CAN SEE THE CONTEXT INCLUDES OTHER BRICK WALLS ALONG THE, UH, SIDEWALK.
UM, THE, UH, THE PROJECT THOUGH, HOWEVER, DOES INCLUDE THE BACKYARD AND THE FENCING.
UH, REPLACING THAT, UH, WHITE TRELLIS FENCE THERE, YOU CAN SEE IN THE UPPER LEFT.
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ALL OF THE BACKYARD.UH, THIS WAS A CLOSEUP OF THE, UH, THE BRICK FENCE BRICK WALL THAT WAS OUT FRONT WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, UH, TO BE REPLACED WITH WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING.
SO THIS IS, UM, A COLOR RENDERING OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THAT'S WHERE THAT SMALL LITTLE WALL IS.
AND THE STREET IS THE STREET FRONTAGE ON THE LEFT.
UM, SO, UH, LONG HERE, THE PROJECT INVOLVES THAT BRICK LITTLE BRICK WALL IN THIS CURVED PATTERN ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND UP TO WHERE THEY'RE INSTALLING A BRICK PATIO AND PERGOLA ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, WE'LL SEE, UH, A RENDERING OF THAT IN A MINUTE, AND THEN ALL THE VARIOUS PLANTINGS BEHIND THAT BRICK.
UM, THE CURRENTLY THE YARD ON THIS SIDE CONSISTS OF LAWN AND A SINGLE TREE.
SO THEY WILL BE ADDING SOME MORE PLANTINGS AROUND THE BOTTOM OF THAT SINGLE TREE, WHICH IS DASHED OUT IN THE CIRCLE HERE.
AND THEY'LL BE DOING KIND OF A, UH, A LIVER OR A BEAN SHAPE, LIVER BEAN SHAPE.
UH, I THINK, I THINK IT'S KIDNEY NOW.
UH, UH, THEY HAVE A DESCRIPTION HERE OF THE PERGOLA, UH, BUT WE'LL SEE IT, UH, LIKE I SAID, THE RENDERING, WHICH WILL GIVE A BETTER IDEA OF THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE PERGOLA.
AND THEN MORE PLANTINGS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE REST OF THE, THE PROPERTY WITH THIS LARGE AREA IN THE MIDDLE IS LAWN, UH, SHOWN IN THE LIGHT GREEN, THEN, UH, TOWARDS THE ACTUAL, THE BACKYARD.
UM, THIS HEXAGON IS NOT A PER, IS NOT A PERGOLA, IS NOT A GAZEBO, SORRY, BUT IS JUST A, UH, UH, GROUND TREATMENT, UH, USING, UH, 18 BY 18 DECK DECKING.
SO WOOD DECKING IN AN OCTAGON SHAPE, AND WE'LL SEE A RENDERING OF THAT AS WELL.
UM, THE OTHER THINGS ON HERE ARE ON THE UPPER PART HERE, UH, OUTSIDE THE, UH, BACK DOOR ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, THEY'RE, UH, ADDING A NEW RED BRICK PATIO SET IN CEMENT.
AND THEN THAT HAS TWO STEPS, UH, DOWN TO A NEW RED BRICK PATH IN CEMENT, WHICH IS, UH, GOING TO COURSE INTO THEIR BACKYARD AND ALONG THE BACK EDGE, UH, ALONG IN BEHIND THE AC UNIT AND IN FRONT OF THE EXISTING GARAGE.
UM, THE, UH, THE FENCE, UH, THAT'S PART OF THIS PROJECT IS HERE ALONG THIS EASTERN BOUNDARY.
THERE WILL BE NO GATE HERE AT THE CORNER.
UH, AND WE'LL SEE AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE FENCE AS WELL.
UM, IT STOPS AT THE CORNER AND THE EXISTING WOOD FENCE ALONG THE BACK AND THE EXISTING BRICK WALL ALONG THE BACK WILL REMAIN.
UH, AND THE, UH, LARGE TREE THAT IS, UH, ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE WILL ALSO REMAIN WITH THEN ALL OF THESE OTHER NEW PLANTS SHOWN IN COLOR.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S THE OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
SO HERE WE HAVE THOSE ILLUSTRATIONS I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
SO THE FENCE, UH, IS THIS DESIGN HERE WITH THE, WHAT THEY CALL SHADOW BOX, UH, PATTERN, UH, HAS TRELLIS, UM, SORRY, UM, LATTICE WORK ACROSS THE TOP AND, UH, WITH THE POSTS.
SORRY, THE WHOLE THING IS MAXIMUM OF SIX FEET TALL.
UH, THIS IS THE, UM, CEDAR, UH, OG OCTAGON SHAPED CEDAR DECK, UH, PLACED ON THE GROUND IN THE BACK.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S JUST A FLUSH, UH, UH, GROUND TEXTURE OR, UH, COULD CALL IT PAVING, I SUPPOSE, OUT OF WOOD.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THIS IS THE PERGOLA.
SO, AND IT'S EVEN RENDERED WITH, THIS IS NOT, UH, THIS IS NOT TAKEN FROM A, A SAMPLE BOOK OR SOMETHING.
THIS IS THEIR HOUSE HERE IN THE BACKGROUND.
THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE THE DOOR AND THE STEPS, UM, THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS IS THEIR DESIGN FOR THAT.
THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS RENDITION OF THE FENCING, UM, AND THE LOCATION OF THAT THERE.
UM, NOW I GUESS BETTER REPRESENTED BY THE, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND THIS IS A RENDERING OF THEIR SHORT LITTLE, UM, BRICK WALL UP FRONT.
UH, ALSO, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE NEW PLANTS IN THERE AS WELL.
THERE'S SOME VERY GOOD RENDERINGS I HAVE TO SAY.
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UH, THEN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, I'M READY WITH THE STAFF REPORT.DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? THAT LAST PICTURE? THOSE WERE, THAT WAS OLD SHOVELING THAT'S GONNA GET REPLACED.
YEAH, THOSE AREN'T MR. CHAIR, IF WE COULD HAVE THE SPEAKER INTRODUCE HERSELF FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
I'M THE OWN CO-OWNER WITH MY HUSBAND AT 2 0 9 CHAIN STREET.
MS. BOBA, WOULD YOU BRING THE MICROPHONE? JUST KIND OF BEND IT DOWN.
IS THAT BETTER, MIKE? YEAH, THAT IS SO MUCH.
UH, FENCE IS, UM, CEDAR MATERIAL.
YOU ASKED IF IT NEEDS TO BE PAINTED WHITE OR IT JUST NEEDS TO BE TREATED OR, OR PAINTED.
SO IT EITHER HAS TO BE, UM, STA UH, OPAQUE STAINED, WHICH LOOKS LIKE PAINT, UH, BUT IS STAINED, UH, OR IT HAS TO BE, UM, PRIMED AND PAINTED.
UH, AND THE PRIMING PRIMER HAS TO COVER ALL SIX SURFACES.
BUT OUR, UH, GUIDELINES DO RECOMMEND FOR EXTERIOR, UM, UH, WOOD THAT IS SUBJECT TO A LOT OF WEATHER.
IT DOES SUGGEST GOING WITH THE OPAQUE STAIN METHOD.
ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR GUESTED WHO HAS RECEIVED NOTICE? ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS A COMMENT? OKAY.
ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? UM, MY, MY ONLY QUESTION, THERE WERE TWO FENCE ELEVATIONS AND JUST WANT TO CONFIRM.
WE WANT THE FENCE WITH THE LATTICE AT THE TOP VERSUS THE FENCE WITH, WITHOUT.
I I THINK THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT FENCE LOCATIONS.
NO, NO, JUST, NO, IT'S JUST AN OLDER, UH, SIMULATION AND A NEWER ONE.
SO THE NEWER ONE IS THE ONE WITH THE, UH, LATTICE WORK ON THE TOP.
UM, THIS IS, UH, THE APPLICANT'S ARE ROB BENSON AND TINA BOBA.
THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS 2 0 9 CHANGE STREET, HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME AND DATE IS THE SMALLWOOD HOWARD HOUSE, UH, BUILT IN 1815 TO 1817, AND THEN MOVED AND REMODELED AROUND 1904 TO 1908.
UM, IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY, UH, LET'S SEE, FROM 1988, OR I'M SORRY, THE 2003 VERSION, UH, MOVED, UH, STATES THAT IT WAS MOVED FROM FIVE 11 EAST FRONT STREET AND REMODELED.
1904 TO 1908, UH, TWO AND A HALF STORIES FEDERAL STYLE, THREE BAYS WIDE EXPOSED BASE WEST AND CHIMNEYS AND GABLE AND ROOF ARCHED WINDOW DORMERS.
UH, THE SAND BACK DESCRIPTION, WHICH IS FROM 1988, IS, UH, STATES, UH, THAT IT WAS BUILT BETWEEN 1815 AND 1817.
THE SMALL SMALLWOOD HOWARD HOUSE IS ONE OF NEW BERN'S MOST ELEGANTLY, REFINED FRAMED DWELLINGS OF THE MID FEDERAL PERIOD.
ELI'S SMALLWOOD PURCHASED A VACANT LOT, WHICH IS NOW FIVE 11 EAST FRONT STREET IN 1815 FOR ONLY $300.
AND WAS CL CLEARLY RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING THIS HOUSE ERECTED BY THE TIME HE SOLD IT TO JOSHUA HAYWARD IN 1817 FOR $4,300.
AFTER HOWARD'S DEATH, SORRY, NOT HAYWARD, HOWARD.
AFTER HOWARD'S DEATH IN 1822, HIS FAMILY CONTINUED RESIDING HERE UNTIL 1834.
ONE OF HIS SONS, JAMES W. HOWARD, WAS LATER TO RE ACHIEVE PROMINENCE AS ONE OF NEW BERN'S PRINCIPAL SHIP BUILDERS.
BETWEEN 1904 AND 1908, THE STRUCTURE WAS MOVED FROM ITS ORIGINAL SITE ON EAST FRONT STREET, FACING THE NOOSE TO ITS PRESENT CHANGE STREET SITE IN ORDER TO CLEAR THE LOT FOR THE LI MOORE HOUSE.
AND IF YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE TWO STORY, UM, GREEK COLUMNS ON THE FRONT OF IT MM-HMM
UH, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A FULL PARCEL LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH A PERGOLA FENCING AND A SHORT GARDEN WALL, UH, PROJECT IN ALL ABCS.
SO, STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR LANDSCAPING.
2.4 0.1 3, 4 5, AND SEVEN FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5, 0.1, TWO AND THREE FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1
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AND THREE FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES.3.1 FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.2 FOR MASONRY, 5.1, 0.2, AND THREE PER PAINT.
SO THE STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS A FULL PARCEL LANDSCAPING PROJECT THAT INCLUDES A PERCOLATE FENCING AND A SHORT GARDEN WALL IN ALL ABCS THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON A HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS PRIOR TO BEGINNING THE WORK.
THAT'S THE END OF OUR STAFF REPORT.
NOW, COMMISSIONERS, ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? LANDSCAPING? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
UM, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR THE PROJECT 2 0 9 CHANGE THREE TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BERN'S CODE OF ORDINANCES.
SECTION 15.41 THROUGH 15.429 AND NEW EMERGENCY HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT SECTIONS.
UH, LANDSCAPING 2.2, 2.2 0.4, AND 2.7 FENCES AND WALLS, 2.5 0.1, 2.5 0.2, AND 2.5 0.3.
ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 2.6 0.3.
DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 POINT MASONRY, 5.1 0.2 AND FIVE THREE.
FINDINGS ON FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE THE STRUCTURE OF THIS ADDRESS IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS A FULL PARCEL LANDSCAPING PROJECT THAT INCLUDES A PERLA FENCING SHORT GARDEN WALL, GROUND LEVEL DECK AND LANDSCAPING MATERIAL.
IN ALL ABCS, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN, EXCUSE ME, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, FORMERLY KNOWN AS GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
ALL COMMISSIONERS THEN PLEASE VOTE.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION TO ISSUE A COA.
YOU DID THE MOTION RIGHT? ON THE COA? I DID NOT.
OH, WHO WAS IT? I THINK IT WAS TIM.
UM, JIM CAN, UH, WHO MADE THE MOTION ON THE COAI DID.
AND WHO DID THE SECOND? I DID RICHARD PARSON.
[5.D. 513 Middle St. – to include a new small pool in the Tertiary AVC.]
13 MIDDLE STREET TO INCLUDE A NEW SMALL POOL IN THE TERTIARY.ALRIGHT, SO WE, HERE WE HAVE THE APPLICATION.
UH, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR, UH, BRETT AUER? YES.
UH, ARE YOU A CO-OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? NO, I HAVE HIS ASSIGNED PAPERWORK.
RESIDENT, BUT NOT, UM, TECHNICALLY IT IS AN INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT POOL OR SPOT PERMIT APPLICATION.
UM, MA'AM, DID YOU INDICATE THAT YOU'RE A RESIDENT AT THE PROPERTY? I'M A RESIDENT.
AND YOU, YOU HAVE A LEASE OR SOME TYPE OF CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP TO THE PROPERTY? I DO HAVE A LEASE.
MR. CHAIR, BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, BECAUSE SHE DOES HAVE A, A PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY, I, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH HER ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO REPRESENT THE OWNER AND PRESENT ON THIS APPLICATION THIS EVENING.
ANY OTHER, ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT? NO.
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AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, UH, YOUR NAME IS PAIGE? MADDEN? YES.UM, SO, UH, FOR THIS APPLICATION, THE, UH, DESCRIPTION IS PROVIDED, UH, THE GUIDELINES ARE, IS FILLED IN, AND THE DETAILED DESCRIPTION IS PROVIDED THERE, UH, PROVIDED SITE PLAN AND PHOTOGRAPHS.
AND THE OWNER HAS, UH, SIGNED THE APPLICATION.
UH, SO WITH THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS, UH, AS THEY LOOK AT IT, THAT THE PROJECT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING PERMIT IS REQUIRED, UH, FOR THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, IT WILL REQUIRE A, UH, A PERMIT, UH, A BUILDING AND ELECTRICAL PERMITS REQUIRED FOR THAT.
SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, THE AFOREMENTIONED SITE PLAN.
UH, SO THE STREET IS OUT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DRAWING HERE AND THE, THE HOUSE, UH, BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE POOL.
SO NOW THIS IS THE BACKYARD, UM, WHICH HAPPENS TO ALSO INCLUDE A TWO STORY GUEST HOUSE.
UH, BUT THE PROJECT IS FOR THIS, UH, RECTANGLE HERE WITH THE BLUE RECTANGLE INSIDE IT, UH, REPRESENTING THE SMALL POOL AND ALSO THE, UH, POOL EQUIPMENT TO BE INSTALLED ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE HERE OF THE, OF THE HOUSE.
UH, AND WE'LL SEE A, A PHOTO OF THAT AREA, UH, IN A MINUTE.
SO, UM, NOW I GET TO GO BACK THIS WAY.
SO THEY PROVIDED FIRST A, UH, WIRE FRAME, A REPRESENTATION OF THE LOCATION OF THE POOL FROM TWO DIFFERENT ANGLES, AND THEN, UM, BUILD IN THAT WIRE FRAME WITH SOME COLOR REPRESENTING THE POOL SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE.
HERE'S ANOTHER ONE WITH, EVEN NOW THE, UH, STONE TEXTURE APPLIED TO THE SIDE.
UM, THE TOP WOULD BE, UM, IS PROPOSED TO BE WOOD, AND THERE'S A REPRESENTATION OF THAT, THAT STONE IN REALITY.
AND THEN THE WOOD ON THE SECOND ONE.
SO WE HAVE TO COMBINE THOSE TWO TOGETHER.
THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
AND THE EQUIPMENT WOULD BE, UH, I'M GONNA MAKE IT BIGGER, SORRY.
UH, WE'LL BE IN THIS AREA BETWEEN, UM, THIS, UH, VERTICAL PIECE HERE AND THE, UH, EXTERIOR HOT WATER HEATER IN THAT AREA THERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE SPACE THAT'S THERE, THE DISTANCE, UH, AND THERE'S ALSO A GAS METER IN FRONT OF THAT.
UH, THEN WE'RE GONNA SEE NEXT IS ACTUALLY THIS IS A VIEW FROM ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEN THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE SIDEWALK OF THAT SAME SPOT.
SO IT IS SCREENED FROM VIEW, UM, DUE TO ALL OF THESE, UM, WHAT APPEARS TO BE SCREENED FROM VIEW ACCORDING TO ALL THESE PLANTS HERE.
AND THEN WE'RE READY FOR OUR STAFF REPORT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? IF YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? I DON'T IF YOU'D SAY YOUR NAME FOR THE, FOR THE MIC.
ANYONE HERE WHO RECEIVED NOTICE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? YES.
IF YOU'D COME FORWARD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
FIRST YOU HAVE TO BE SWORN IN.
DO YOU PROMISE TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH TO THE EXTENT TO, TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY? YES, I WILL.
UH, MY NAME NAME'S TOM SOUK AND I LIVE IN THE, UH, MY WIFE AND I OWN A STANLEY ALLEN HOUSE, WHICH IS 4 0 5 JOHNSON STREET, WHICH IS A FAIRLY DEEP LOT.
AND, UH, THE FIRST FOUR HOUSES ON MIDDLE STREET FROM JOHNSON STREET, HEADING SOUTH, ALL BUT AGAINST MY PROPERTY, UH, WE BOUGHT, PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY IN, UH, IN, UH, 16, 20 16, UH, ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNERS FROM UH, PAGE WERE IN THERE.
AND, UM, AFTER WE HAD BEEN IN A YEAR OR TWO TOGETHER, UM, THEY, UM, PUT IN AN APPLICATION TO BUILD WHAT WAS DESCRIBED TO US AS A RESIDENCY, WHICH WAS GONNA BE FOR HER FATHER, I BELIEVE IT WAS FOR THE FATHER-IN-LAW OF THE COUPLE THAT, THAT LIVED IN THAT HOUSE.
UM, I INITIALLY CONTACTED THE CITY BECAUSE IT WAS BEING BUILT.
WHAT I THOUGHT WAS RIGHT ON MY LOT LINE,
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LITERALLY THAT HELPED THAT PROP.THE RESIDENCY IS 10 FEET FROM THAT RESIDENCY TO THE EAST SIDE OF, UH, MY PROPERTY.
UH, AND RIGHT AT AROUND 10 FEET, UH, AT THE TIME THAT, UH, IT WAS BUILT, WE WERE, WE WERE ASSURED THAT IT WAS NOT GONNA BE A RENTAL PROPERTY.
IT WOULD BE A RESIDENCY FOR THE FATHER OR THE FATHER-IN-LAW.
UM, SEVERAL YEARS LATER, THAT YOUNG COUPLE LEFT AND, UH, PAIGE MOVED ON IN, AND IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO AFTER THAT THAT I HAPPENED TO BE CHECKING LISTINGS FOR AIRBNB.
AND THE FIRST LISTING THEY CAME UP WAS PAIGE'S PROPERTY.
SO I WAS A BIT SURPRISED TO FIND OUT THAT IT WAS A BEING LISTED AS AN AIRBNB.
UH, I'LL FREELY SAY THAT IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME THAT IT'S BEEN THE AIRBNB, IT HAS NOT BEEN A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE FOR US, ALTHOUGH IT IS DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE GUEST BEDROOM THAT WE HAVE.
UH, AND THE SECOND FLOOR OF OUR THREE STORE PROPERTY, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF TIMES WHEN THERE WAS NOISE GOING ON, A NOISE THAT YOU COULD HEAR INSIDE THE HOUSE, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS STOPPED BEFORE 10 O'CLOCK.
AND I'VE NEVER HAD ANY OCCASION TO, UH, TO COMPLAIN TO PAIGE ABOUT THE NOISE.
NOW I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT ADDING A SWIMMING POOL OR A PLUNGE POOL BACK THERE, WHICH WILL ENCOURAGE THAT MUCH MORE ACTIVITY OUTSIDE OF THE AIRBNB UNIT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE'S MY CONSIDERATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT THEN GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A NOISE ISSUE AT THAT POINT.
SO, SO THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS WHAT IS THE USE OF THE POOL? I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS GONNA BE FOR PAIGE'S CHILDREN OR IF INDEED IT WAS TO BE USED BY RESIDENTS OR, OR, OR GUESTS THAT ARE IN THE AIRBNB UNIT.
SO MY CONCERN IS STRICTLY FROM A NOISE STANDPOINT.
UM, AS I SAID BEFORE, FREELY, FREELY ACKNOWLEDGED HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE NOW, BUT I AM A BIT CONCERNED AT THIS POINT, UH, BUT WITH THE ADDITION OF A SWIMMING POOL OR A PLUNGE POOL, WHICH IS GONNA ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE OUTSIDE INTO THE EVENING HOURS, I SUSPECT DON'T KNOW.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERNS AS THE HOMEOWNER ON, UH, 4 0 5 JOHNSON STREET.
AND SO YOU DID RECEIVE A LETTER YES.
YEAH, I GOT A NOTICE ABOUT THIS MEETING, YES.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, WE, UM, COME BACK TO THE MICRO, THE MICROPHONE.
UM, WE PLAN TO PUT A LOCKED LID ON THE TOP OF THE POOL AND IT WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY OTHER USE BESIDES PERSONAL TO THE PEOPLE IN THE MAIN RESIDENCE.
AND WE, WE DON'T REGULATE NOISE, SO, YEAH.
UM, BUT I HAVE NO INTENTION TO ALLOWING ANY OTHER RES OR RENTERS OR ANYTHING USE FOR IT.
SO, ADMINISTRATOR, ANY COMMENT ON THAT? UM, I, I DEFER TO THE ATTORNEY.
I THINK SHE WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, IT'S JUST IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO REMEMBER YOUR PURVIEW.
SO YOU HAVE PURVIEW OVER EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS AND THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION.
YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY JURISDICTION OVER USES OR NOISE OR ANY OF THOSE RELATED CONCEPTS.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S BEEN EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD TONIGHT ABOUT ANY EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, PLEASE CONSIDER THOSE THINGS AS IT RELATES TO ANY, UM, INFORMATION IN THE RECORD THAT DOES NOT PERTAIN OR NOT GERMANE TO THE ISSUES WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO FACTOR THOSE COMMENTS INTO YOUR DELIBERATIONS TONIGHT.
OKAY, MR. BRADY, FOR STAFF FINDINGS? SURE.
SO, UH, THE APPLICANT IS BRETT AUER.
PROJECT ADDRESS IS FIVE 13 MIDDLE STREET.
UH, HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE JESSE LASSETER HOUSE FROM CIRCA 1903.
UM, IT IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY OF 2003, UH, STATES THAT HIS, THE, THE HOUSE IS TWO AND A HALF STORIES, THREE BAYS WIDE, PEAKED HOOD ABOVE LEFT BAY ENTRANCE, HIP ROOF, FRONT PORCH, PEDIMENT, FRONT GABLE ROOF, AND INTERIOR CHI, CENTRAL CHIMNEY FOR SAND BACK, UH, FROM 1988, UH, HE SAID, UH, BUILT BETWEEN 1902 AND 1904 FOR JESSE J LASSETER, WHO APPEARS TO HAVE HAD THIS DWELLING BUILT FOR RENTAL OR INVESTMENT USE.
UH, OWNERSHIP REMAINED IN THE LASSETER FAMILY UNTIL 1937 WHEN THE HOUSE WAS PURCHASED BY GR BURNHAM.
UH, SO FIVE, THE PROJECT OF FIVE 13 MIDDLE STREET IS TO INCLUDE A SMALL POOL IN THE TERTIARY.
A B, C STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES 2.3 0.1 AND TWO FOR MASONRY, 5.1, TWO, THREE, AND FIVE FOR PAINT, 5.4, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS.
5.5 0.1, TWO, AND THREE AND FOUR.
AND SO THE STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURES OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS A SMALL POOL PROJECT AND THE TERTIARY A BC THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
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IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.SO THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS PRIOR TO BEGINNING THE WORK.
THAT'S, ANY, ANY FINAL COMMENTS? ANY FINAL COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD? OKAY.
UH, MEMBERS, ANY DISCUSSION? UH, I'M, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY LIVING RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT FROM THE STREET IN ANY WAY.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY A TERTIARY AREA.
UH, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, A, A HUGE HOLE.
I DON'T SEE ANY PLACE WHERE, UM, THERE WOULD BE AN ISSUE WITH, UH, WITH THE GUIDELINES.
ANYONE ELSE? WE READY FOR A MOTION? SURE.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OF FIVE 13 MIDDLE STREET, UH, TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BRUIN'S.
CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH FOUR 11 TO 15 DASH 4 29 AND NEW BRUIN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, THE GUIDELINES, UH, UTILITIES 2.3, 2.32, MASONRY 5.1 0.2, 5.35 POINT 0.5, PAINT 5.4, 0.5 0.4 0.3 5.4 0.4, CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.51, 5.52, 5.5 0.3 5.5 0.4.
UH, FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, THE, UH, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE TIGHTLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, UH, THE PROJECT IS A SMALL TOOL, A SMALL POOL, UH, IN THE TERTIARY A B, C AREA.
YOU CANNOT SEE IT FROM THE STREET.
THE DESIGN COMPONENTS OF MATERIAL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, UH, DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE PROJECT AND MAKE COMMENTS.
AND THE, UH, THE PROJECT, UH, DOES NOT DISTRACT FROM THE SPECIAL CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
UH, ONE CONDITION IS THAT ANY REVISIONS, UH, UM, BEYOND WHAT WE APPROVE TONIGHT, UH, ANY CHANGES, UH, NEED TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR FOR APPROVAL, UH, AND COME BACK IN FRONT OF US IF NECESSARY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? VOTE FOR A VOTE.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? I AYE.
I WAS JUST LINKED TO THE PART.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CO OA SO MOVED SECOND.
AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I CO OA APPROVED.
AND, AND, AND, AND I, AS YOU HEARD THE ATTORNEY, THE, UH, THE NOISE AND WHATNOT IS NOT PART OF OUR PURVIEW, BUT I'M HOPING YOU'RE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND HEAR YOUR NEIGHBOR WHAT, WHAT HE SAID.
AND ACT ACCORDINGLY IF THERE'S EVER A POSITION.
[5.E. 712 Pollock St. – to include a new garage in the Tertiary AVC. This is a reapproval of a recently expired CoA with a few minor revisions.]
P*****K STREET, WHICH IS A NEW GARAGE IN THE TERTIARY A BC.IT'S A RE-APPROVAL OF A RECENTLY EXPIRED COA, BUT WITH A FEW MINOR REVISIONS.
SO THIS IS, UH, THE APPLICATION FOR SEVEN 12 P*****K STREET.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE PAUL AND LAURA HANLIN.
UH, THEY PROVIDED THE DESCRIPTION, UM, ON THE BACK.
AND, UH, THE GUIDELINES ARE, UH, ALSO PROVIDED ON ANOTHER SHEET.
UH, NUMBER THREE, THE, THE DESCRIPTION IS ALSO PROVIDED, BUT THEY HAVE, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE HOUSE, BRICK SIDING AND ROOF.
UM, SO THIS IS MR. INLAND'S SIGNATURE AND DATED.
AND THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS, UH, WILL SAY, UH, THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS LAND USE ORDINANCE.
SO ZONING PERMIT WILL BE, IS REQUIRED AND, UH, WILL OF COURSE REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT, UM, BEHIND WHICH THE GARAGE
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IS SITUATED JUST FOR REFERENCE FOR YOU GUYS.UH, AND THE, UH, GARAGE IS AT THE END OF THIS DRIVEWAY ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK, THE DARK SPOT NEXT TO THOSE, UH, LITTLE WHITE THINGS LEANING AGAINST SOMETHING.
WHERE THAT CAR IS PARKED AND ACROSS THE ENTIRE BACK OF THIS, UM, PROPERTY, HERE IS THE, UH, UM, AERIAL VIEW THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED.
UM, SHOWING THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINE OF LINES OF THE PROPERTY DOWN AT THE BOTTOM IS THE STREET.
AND THEN THE, UH, IT'S A LONG, SKINNY PROPERTY AND THE GARAGE IS GOING ALL THE WAY AT THE BACK PROP, THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
AND HERE IS THEIR, UM, SURVEY HERE.
YOU CAN SEE HOW IT FILLS IN THAT ENTIRE BACK END OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS TO NOTE ALSO, THIS IS THE MAIN HOUSE AT THE FRONT.
THE, THIS PROPERTY ALSO HAS A SECOND, UM, UH, DWELLING UNIT IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT HERE.
AND THAT WILL COME UP IN ONE PIECE OF OUR STAFF REPORT.
UH, THIS IS THE, UM, FORMER, THE, UH, THE ALREADY, WELL, LET'S SEE, THE EXPIRED COA, UM, FOR WHEN IT WAS APPROVED THE LAST TIME, BUT YOU WANTED THAT MAYBE WOULD WANT THAT FOR REFERENCE.
THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS AT THE TIME.
AND, UH, THE, UH, APPLICANT IS COMING BACK, UH, ONE BECAUSE IT WAS EXPIRED, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SOME, UH, MINOR ADJUSTMENTS THAT THEY'RE MAKING.
SO THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS, THESE TWO PAGES WITH THE RED INK ON THEM ARE THE ONES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
AND THIS IS NOW A SKETCH OF THE REVISIONS.
UH, THE APPLICANT DID HEAR YOU SAY AT THE DESIGN REVIEW THAT, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MORE FINALIZED VIEW OF THIS WITH THE SHOWING THE, UH, SHINGLES, UM, AS, UH, SHOWN AS THE HORIZONTAL SIDING INSTEAD OF SHINGLES, UM, AS THEY ARE PROPOSING.
UH, BUT THEIR, UM, UH, ARCHITECT DID NOT, WAS NOT ABLE TO GET THAT TO THEM IN TIME FOR THE MEETING.
UH, SO, UH, YOU'LL HAVE TO DECIDE IF THIS IS SUFFICIENT OR IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A CONDITION.
UH, THIS IS THEIR LIST OF MATERIALS THAT, UH, THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDED THE FIRST TIME AROUND.
IT'S, UM, JUST TO RE REITERATE, SINCE I GUESS SOME OF YOU ARE, UH, NEW TO THE COMMISSION SINCE THEN, THE ROOF IS ASPHALT SHINGLES.
UM, FRAMING IS WOOD, THE FOUNDATION IS BRICK.
UM, THE SIDING CORNERS AND TRIM ARE HARDY PLANK.
THE GARAGE DOOR IS ALUMINUM AND THE WINDOWS ARE ONE OVER ONE.
UM, UH, SUBSEQUENTLY INDICATED THAT THERE WILL NO NOT BE THE SIX FOOT APRON IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE.
UM, AND THERE'S NO MECHANIC WOOD EQUIPMENT, BUT THERE IS ELECTRICITY FOR LIGHTS IN THE GARAGE DOOR AND WATER FOR WASHING THE CARS.
SO, UM, HE DID PROVIDE NOW, UH, NEW IMAGES OF THE GARAGE DOORS, SO, UH, OR IN THE OTHER DOOR.
BUT HERE WE HAVE, UM, UH, ILLUSTRATION OF THE DOOR ITSELF AND THEN THE, UH, MODEL NUMBER AND SUCH FOR THE, UH, FOR THE DOOR THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON ORDERING, AND ALSO THE MATERIALS OF THAT POLYSTYRENE HEAVY DUTY STEEL.
UH, AND THIS IS THEN THE ELEVATION OF THE DOOR.
AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR STAFF REPORT.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS RECEIVED NOTICE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS A PROPONENT OR OPPONENT? SEEING NONE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT, SIR? I DO NOT.
UM, THE ADMINISTRATOR PROVIDE YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO, UM, UH, THE APPLICANT IS PAUL LAURA LIN, THE PROJECT ADDRESS SEVEN 12 P*****K STREET, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME FOR THE MAIN HOUSE.
UH, THE JOHN CHADWICK HOUSE WAS BUILT CIRCA 1790 TO 1795, UH, AND WAS REMODELED CIRCA 1930 TO 1940.
AND THE OUTBUILDING, THE SECOND ONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WAS BUILT AROUND, UH, 1940.
UH, IT IS, UH, AND BOTH OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE CON, ARE, UH, LISTED
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IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT INVENTORY AS CONTRIBUTING.AND SO THAT INVENTORY, UH, DESCRIBES AS FOLLOWS.
FOR THE JOHN CHADWICK HOUSE, IT'S A 20TH CENTURY REMODELING AND CLOSING THE LATE GEORGIAN CORE.
THREE BAYS DEEP MODERN ENTRANCE PORCH IN THE RIGHT FRONT BAY, AND DOUBLE STORY REAR PORCH, GABLE FRONT ROOF WITH TRIANGULAR BRACKETS.
UM, FOR THE OUTBUILDING, UH, IT'S ONE STORY, L PLAN THREE BAYS, Y THREE BAYS, DEEP ENGAGED PORCH, SQUARE POSTS, GABLE ROOFS, TRIANGULAR BRACKETS.
AND SO FOR SAND BECKS DESCRIPTION IN 1988, UM, HE SAYS THIS IS, UH, THE MOST RELEVANT INFORMATION.
THE MOST RELEVANT INFORMATION FOR THE JOHN CHADWICK HOUSE IS AS FOLLOWS.
HE SAID SOME OF THE ORIGINAL NINE NINE SASH AND MOLDED TWO PART WINDOW SURROUNDS WERE REUSED WHEN THE HOUSE WAS REMODELED.
THESE PROVIDE THE ONLY EXTERNAL CLUES TO THE AGE OF THE ORIGINAL GEORGIAN FRAME WITHIN THE DOMINANT GABLE ROOF WITH ITS KICK AT THE EAVES.
AND THE EXPOSED RAFTER ENDS DATES FROM THE 1930 TO 1940 REMODELING, AS DOES THE TWO STORY REAR SHED PORCH.
AND THERE IS NO DESCRIPTION IN SANDBAG FOR THE OUTBUILDING.
SO THE PROJECT FOR SEVEN 12 P*****K STREET IS TO INCLUDE A NEW GARAGE IN THE TERTIARY A, B, C.
AND THIS IS A RE-APPROVAL OF A RECENTLY EXPIRED COA WITH A FEW MINOR REVISIONS.
SORRY, WE COULDN'T READ THAT BEFORE.
STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
2.6, 0.1 AND TWO FOR PARKING, 2.7 0.1 AND TWO FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE FOR FOUNDATIONS.
4.13 FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.4 AND FIVE FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.2 AND THREE FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS.
STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE THE APPLICATION IS FOR A NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
THREE, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FOUR, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS? I DO NOT.
MEMBER MEMBERS, MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, SOMETHING WE DIDN'T COVER.
IT SHOWS A SIX FOOT APRON, BUT YOU'RE LEAVING THE DRIVEWAY KIND OF IS, IS THAT A CRUSH STONE? OR, OR, OR DRIVEWAY, YES.
UM, INSTEAD OF DOING THE CONCRETE APRON OUT FRONT, WE'RE JUST GONNA PUT IN ROCK WHAT'S THERE NOW WE'RE JUST, OKAY.
SO THERE'S NO CONCRETE OR NO BRICK, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A ROCK RIGHT UP TO THE STRUCTURE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO DESIGN? WE SAW THIS BEFORE.
WE HAVE, WE READY FOR A MOTION? MR. CHAIR? I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR THE PROJECT AT SEVEN 12 P*****K STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BURNS CODE OF ORDINANCES.
SECTIONS 15.41 THROUGH 15.429 IN NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES 2.6 AND 2.62.
DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.11, 3.1 0.2 3.1 0.4, AND 3.1 0.5 FOUNDATIONS, EXCUSE ME.
THREE POINT I SAID THAT FOUNDATIONS 4.1 0.3 WHILST TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.4 4.5, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
FIVE POINT, FIVE POINT AND 5.6.
FINDINGS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED
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IN THE APPLICATION ARE THE APPLICATION IS FOR A NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, FORMERLY KNOWN AS GUIDELINES.
ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUENCE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
I DO WANT TO ADD A CONDITION THAT, UM, THAT ANY CHANGES, ANY REVISIONS TO THE PROJECT, UH, MADE TO THIS DESIGN OR MATERIALS, UH, BEFORE IT STARTS, SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE STANDARDS BEFORE THE PROJECT IS BEGUN.
ANY OPPOSED MOTION TO ISSUE COA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A COA IS ISSUED.
I'D LIKE THE PROJECT THE FIRST TIME, LIKE TO BEGIN THIS TIME.
[5.F. 242 Middle St. – to include a replacement window in the Secondary AVC. ]
2 42 MIDDLE STREET IS THE REPLACEMENT OF A WINDOW IN THE SECONDARY A, B, C, VERY VISUAL CONCERN.IF YOU'LL COME UP JUST IN CASE WE HAVE A QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK HE WAS SWORN IN.
YEAH, WELL YOU WEREN'T SWORN IN, WERE YOU, SIR? AT THE BEGINNING? I'M SORRY? YOU WEREN'T SWORN IN AT THE BEGINNING.
IF YOU'D RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY? I DO.
CAN YOU, UH, SIGN, UM, PRINT YOUR NAME ON THAT FORM THERE AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE? I MISSED THAT OTHER GENTLEMAN.
ALRIGHT, SO WHILE HE IS DOING THAT, WE CAN START THE APPLICATION, UH, WHICH IS SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN, UH, FOR 2 42.
MIDDLE STREET OF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS DANETTE SNEAD.
UH, AND THIS, I BELIEVE IS THE, UM, DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
I DUNNO, SHE WAS GONNA BE HERE.
SHE MUST BE TIED UP OR SOMETHING.
UH, AND THE APPLICATION, UH, SHOWS THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT.
THE, UH, UH, GUIDELINES ARE ON A SEPARATE SHEET AS WELL AS THE, THE DESCRIPTION, UH, SITE PLAN AND PHOTOGRAPHS.
AND, UH, THIS IS, UM, MS. SNEAD'S, UH, SIGNATURE AND DATE.
AND LET'S AT LEAST GET YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD SINCE WE'RE STARTING.
AND YOU ARE THE, I'M SORRY, MATT, WHAT WAS THE LAST NAME? PURVIS.
AND HE IS THE CONTRACTOR FOR THIS PROJECT? UH, I THINK SO.
SO, UM, WE DO NOT HAVE AN OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION FOR MS. DAN HERE RIGHT NOW.
IF WE CAN JUST PUT IT ON THE RECORD THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS GENTLEMAN REPRESENTING HER TONIGHT.
CAN YOU PLEASE THE MICROPHONE AND YOU'LL HAVE TO BE SWORN IN
DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY? YES, I DO.
AND IF YOU WOULD MA'AM, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THIS PROJECT? YES.
I'M THE MANAGER MEMBER OF 2 42 MIDDLE STREET, LLC.
AND IS THE GENTLEMAN STANDING TO YOUR RIGHT? MY LEFT.
YOUR AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE TO SPEAK ON YOUR BEHALF TONIGHT? YES.
ALRIGHT, SO HERE'S THE DESCRIPTION THAT THEY PROVIDED.
I WILL NOT READ THIS ALL FOR YOU.
SAME THING WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT THEY PROVIDED AS PROMISED.
UH, AND THE ZONING INSPECTIONS FORM, THE, UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS INDICATED THAT, UM, AND THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, IS NOT APPLICABLE FOR ZONING OR ZONING IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS PROJECT.
AND SO A ZONING PERMIT IS NOT REQUIRED.
AND THEN FOR THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, HE ALSO SAYS A BUILDING PERMIT IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, SO THIS GIVES YOU A PERSPECTIVE.
THE, UH, SUBJECT BUILDING IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS ALLEY.
THIS IS FEDERAL ALLEY, AND THE PROJECT IS HALFWAY DOWN THE ALLEY, UH, ON THE SECOND FLOOR ON THE RIGHT THERE.
UM, LET'S SEE SOME MORE PHOTOS OF THAT A MINUTE.
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SO AS YOU GO DOWN THE ALLEY, IT'S THIS WINDOW HERE AND THE, AT THE SECOND FLOOR THERE, IT'S NOW BOARDED IN, BEEN BOARDED IN FOR A WHILE, RIGHT? UM, THERE'S A CLOSER OR STRAIGHT AROUND STRAIGHTER ON STRAIGHT ON VIEW STRAIGHTER.AND THEN SOME CLOSEUPS OF THE DETAILS OF THE EXISTING CONDITION FOR THAT WINDOW, UH, INDICATING THE NEED TO, UH, REPLACE NOT JUST THESE SASHES, BUT ALSO THE FRAMES.
AND THIS IS THE FORMER WINDOW, WHICH HAS SINCE BEEN, UM, UNFORTUNATELY MET ITS DEMISE, UH, AT THE HANDS OF THE PREVIOUS CONTRACTOR.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S A BIT OF A STRANGE, UH, SITUATION.
I BELIEVE IT'S ONE SASH IN THE TOP HALF AND THEN THREE SMALL SASHES IN THE BOTTOM HALF.
AND THEN THERE'S THESE, UH, TWO MILLIONS THAT PROVIDE FRAMING FOR THE THREE SMALL SASHES.
UM, SO, UH, AND I THINK, I THINK THEY WERE GIVEN PERMISSION BEFORE RIGHT? TO COMPLETELY REDO IT, BUT THEN YES.
SO YES, BEFORE IT WAS, WE WENT TO DESIGN REVIEW AND WE DISCUSSED HOW IT WOULD BE A REPLACEMENT IN KIND SINCE THEY WERE PLANNING ON DOING AN EXACT REPLACEMENT.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT AGAIN, CHANGE OF CONTRACTOR, CHANGE OF PLANS.
UM, AND SO THE NEW PROPOSAL, UM, UH, SO THERE'S A DRAWING OF WHAT, UH, THE OLD ONE.
AND THEN AT FIRST THAT WAS, UH, THIS WAS THE PROPOSAL AT FIRST, BUT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY ON THE SAME PAGE.
UM, BUT NOW THEY'RE REFERENCING THE OTHER, UH, WINDOWS ON THE BUILDING, WHICH ARE TWO OVER TWO AND THEY JUST WANT TO REPLACE IT, NOT IN KIND, BUT UH, UH, WITH WINDOWS THAT ARE LIKE THESE HERE.
AND SO THIS IS THEIR NEW PROPOSAL.
UH, WHY IS THIS? THIS IS, YEAH, THAT WAS THE OLDER ONE, BUT HOLD ON.
I THINK I MIGHT HAVE YOUR NEW DRAWING HERE IN A MINUTE.
OH NO, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALL.
UH, SO SOMETHING HAPPENED, YOUR NEW DRAWING DIDN'T GO IN HERE, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS THAT.
SO THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE, FROM THE OUTSIDE, I GUESS COULD SAY, OR, OR THE INSIDE.
BUT, UM, OR IT'LL BE THREE, UH, TWO OVER TWO WINDOWS, UH, WITH THESE, UH, MULLINS IN BETWEEN.
UH, AND THEY'RE MADE OF WOOD, WOOD WINDOWS, SOLID WOOD WINDOWS, NOT COMPOSITE.
UH, AND THE, UH, SECTION THROUGH THIS IS DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM IS THE OLD, UM, BRICK OF THE CURRENT OPENING.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE THE OPENING SMALLER, UH, IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, SOME, UH, COUNTERTOP THAT'S GOING ACROSS ON THE INSIDE OF THIS WALL OR ACROSS THIS WINDOW OPENING, UH, NOW BELOW IT IN THEIR PROPOSAL.
AND THEY'RE ADDING SIX COURSES OF BRICK, INCLUDING ONE, UH, ROW LOCK, UH, UH, COURSE OF BRICK AT THE TOP OF THAT TO, UM, CREATE THAT ANGLED SLOPING SURFACE FOR THE DRAINAGE.
SO TO THE LEFT IS THE OUTSIDE AND TO THE RIGHT IS THE INSIDE.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS THEIR, UM, MANUFACTURER'S, UM, UH, SECTION OF THE, OF THE WINDOW.
UM, THIS BEING THE, UH, TOP TO BOTTOM SECTION.
SO THEY'RE OPERATING, THEY'RE OPERABLE, UM, SASHES DOUBLE HUNG, AND THERE'S YOUR SILL ON TOP OF THIS IS THE, UH, WOOD SILL ON TOP THAT WOULD SIT ON TOP OF THE BRICK.
AND THEN THIS IS A SECTION ACROSS THE WINDOW FROM SIDE TO SIDE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE IN MORE DETAIL, WE CAN.
AND THE OUTSIDE IN THIS CASE IS ON THE, ON THE RIGHT.
UH, THE TRIM FOR THAT IS, UH, WHAT'S CALLED A BRICK MOLD.
UM, AND THAT'S THIS PIECE HERE.
UM, IS THAT ONE ALSO WOOD? MM-HMM.
IT JUST SAYS BRICK MOLDED, COULDN'T TELL WHAT MATERIAL IT WAS.
SO, UM, AND THESE ARE NOW THAT'S THE, UH, MANUFACTURER'S ELEVATION OF THE WINDOWS.
SO THERE'LL BE THREE OF THOSE.
I DON'T NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THIS, UH, OKAY.
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IT WAS JUST THE FIRST ONE IS ONE THAT'S APPLICABLE.THIS ONE HERE, 62 INCHES TALL.
THE OTHER, THERE WILL BE THREE MORE HERE THAT, UM, HE REQUESTED TO BE REMOVED.
THIS ONE, THIS ONE AND THIS ONE.
I REMOVED IT IN HIS PACKET, BUT NOT IN THE FULL PACKET SO I COULD SEND IT TO HIM SO HE COULD LOOK AT IT.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S THE, UH, ORDER FORM ESSENTIALLY FOR THE, FOR THE WINDOW.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S UH, IT'S A SUSTAINABLE WOOD SASH.
SO THAT'S, UM, AND SUSTAINABLE PINE SILL.
OH, AND THE, UH, SINCE THEY'RE DOUBLE PANE, THEY SHOW WITH THE SHADOW BARS.
AND SO THOSE HAVE THE SHADOW BARS ON THE INSIDE TOO, CORRECT? IN BETWEEN.
SO YOU HAVE THREE EXPONENTIALLY.
I COULDN'T QUITE FIGURE THAT OUT FROM THE, FROM THEIR CODE THERE.
ALRIGHT, AND THEN WE'RE READY FOR THE, UH, STAFF REPORT.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO HERE WHO IS TO SPEAK AS A PROPONENT OR OPPONENT OF THIS PROJECT? SEEING NONE.
IF YOU'D GIVE US THE RECOMMENDATION, EXCUSE ME, TO REVIEW.
ALRIGHT, I DO WANNA ADD ONE THING.
JUST TO MAKE SURE IN MY EMAIL I TOLD YOU THAT WE, I REALLY WANTED TO GO BACK AFTER WE DID SOME MORE MEASURE.
I WANTED THAT DRAWING IS OF A FIVE TWO WINDOW.
UM, BUT THE ORIGINAL, UM, REQUEST APPLICATION I PUT A FIVE SIX.
I WANT TO CHANGE THAT TO A FIVE TWO.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT OFFICIAL.
IS THAT, IS THAT ANOTHER COURSE OF BRICK UNDERNEATH ABOUT ONE MORE COURSE.
IF I COULD JUST GET A FEW MORE INCHES WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
SO, SO WHAT'S SHOWN HERE IS FIVE FOOT TWO, THE 62 INCH.
SO I THINK BEFORE THERE WAS, UH, FIVE OR SIX COURSES OF BREAK, IT'LL JUST BE ONE MORE COURSE.
IS THAT I BELIEVE SO IT'S ONLY FOUR INCH DIFFERENCE.
IS EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THE REVISION TO THE APPLICATION? ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT.
SO, SO FOR THE STAFF REPORT, UH, FOR 2 42 MIDDLE STREET, UH, LLC JANICE, DANA SNEAD, PEREZ MANAGER AND PROJECT ADDRESS AT 2 42 MIDDLE STREET, HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME AND DATE.
UM, SO THIS BUILDING WAS, UH, CONSTRUCTED AS ESSENTIALLY A COMMERCIAL DUPLEX WITH A PARTY WALL DOWN THE MIDDLE.
UH, AND SO THE DESCRIPTION, UH, WAS FOR BOTH, UH, BOTH HALVES, BUT THEY DID DESCRIBE THEM SEPARATELY AS WELL.
SO, SO FOR THE 2 42 HALF OF THE, WHAT'S CALLED THE GEORGE BISHOP STORES, UH, WAS BUILT IN 1885 TO 1888.
AND IT IS CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003, UH, STATES, UH, TWO STORIES BRICK RECESS STOREFRONT, FOUR UPPER WINDOWS SEGMENTALLY ARCHED, DENT ARTICULATED HOODS AND CORNICE.
THEN FOR SAND BECK, UH, THE DESCRIPTION, UH, IS A LITTLE MORE INTERESTING.
UH, FROM 1988, THIS HANDSOMELY DETAILED COMMERCIAL BLOCK WAS ERECTED BETWEEN 1885 AND 88 FOR GEORGE BISHOP, A PROMINENT BUILDER PROPRIETOR OF LARGE WOODWORKING MILL AND OWNER OF MUCH REAL ESTATE IN NEW BERN.
THE IDENTICALLY DETAILED FOUR BAY WIDE BUILDINGS STAND ON THE SITE OF AN EARLIER PAIR OF BRICK STRUCTURES OF SIMILAR SIZE BUILT FOR BISHOP BEFORE 1882.
THE SANBORN INSURANCE MAPS INDICATE THAT THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PRESENT STRUCTURE MAY INCORPORATE WITHIN IT THE REMAINS OF THE EARLIER STRUCTURE, WHICH SURVIVED THE GREAT FIRE OF 1885.
THAT IN THAT INFAMOUS CONFLAGRATION DESTROYED ALL OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF MAIN STREET FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CENTRAL PARTY WALL OF THIS BUILDING DOWN TO SOUTH FRONT STREET.
HIS SON EDWARD K. BISHOP, INHERITED THE NORTHERN STORE.
THE NORTHERN STORE HOUSED JB HOLLAND'S DRY GOODS STORE IN 1893 AND LATER WAS THE HOME OF THE SINGER SEWING MACHINE COMPANY.
THE SIDE ELEVATION VISIBLE FROM FEDERAL ALLEY SHOWS THE BI BUILDING'S PARAPET GABLE ROOF CONFIGURATION AND THREE
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TO ONE COMMON BOND BRICKWORK SURVIVING.SECOND STORY SASH INDICATE THAT THE ORIGINALS WERE OF THE SIX OVER SIX CONFIGURATION, MANY OF WHICH WERE LATER REPLACED WITH TWO OVER TWO SASH.
SO THIS PROJECT IS FOR 2 42 MIDDLE STREET TO INCLUDE THREE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS IN ONE OPENING IN THE SECONDARY A, B, C.
SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, AKA GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES 3.1 AND TWO FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2, 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.1 AND FOUR FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.1, TWO AND THREE FOR MASONRY.
5.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR WOOD.
5.4 0.2 AND THREE FOR STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT.
R ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN A DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS THE REPLACEMENT OF A COMBINATION OF WOOD WINDOWS AND ONE OPENING WITH THREE WINDOW, THREE WOOD WINDOWS IN THE SECONDARY A, B, C3.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE, WITH THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS? ANYTHING ELSE? I DO NOT.
SO THE TWO CHANGES ARE THE BRICK ONE COURT, ONE MORE COURSE OF BRICK AND A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE IN THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOW.
ANY COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS? UH, STAFF? MATT, IF YOU PULL UP THE, UH, WINDOW SECTION SURE.
WELL NO, BUT IT DID WHAT IT NEEDED TO DO 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T SHOW OUR ROW LOCK BEFORE.
AND THEN ALSO I SEE YOU'VE SET THE, THE FRAME ON A TWO BY BLOCK YES.
TO ACCOUNT FOR OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT SEAL THICKNESS AND CORRECT.
UM, THERE WAS ALREADY ONE THERE, SO I'M PUT SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT, AND, AND SO I, I THINK THAT'LL TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT DESIGN REVIEW.
I'LL, I'LL BE AT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT OR MODIFIED FROM, UM, WHAT I HAD SUGGESTED, WHICH IS FINE.
UH, IS THIS THE ONE, UH, THAT'S THE ONE.
AND, AND SO, UM, YOU SEE THAT TWO INCH BLOCK BETWEEN THE, UH, RIGHT ABOVE THE BRICK ROW LOCK, THE TWO INCH NUMBER, THEN THERE'S SOME WINDOW FRAME ON TOP OF IT.
SO I, I THINK THAT ACCOMPLISHES WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING RESPONSIVE.
UM, CAN YOU, I'M NOT SURE I, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO THAT, THAT TWO INCH BLOCK THAT'S A NEW FROM SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDED SINCE DESIGN REVIEW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, UH, THIS SLAB HERE.
WHERE IT'S POINTING ON THE RIGHT SIDE IT POINTS TO FLASHING.
WELL, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER IT WAS NEW OR NOT.
'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DRUM.
IT WAS, SINCE WE HAVE THAT DRAWING, UM, THAT NOW THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS, WELL I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT JUST LIKE, PRETTY MUCH SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
AND THEN I WAS TRYING TO JUST BRIDGE THE GAP OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN THE FRAMING AND THE BRICK.
I JUST THINK IT'S, AND GO BACK TO RIGHT THERE, I THINK WAS ABOVE THERE, THE LEFTOVER, SOME OF THE LEFTOVER WINDOW.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TOP OF THE WINDOW ITSELF, CORRECT? THE BOTTOM ABOVE THE BRICK.
OH, OH, ON THE BOTTOM OF THE RIGHT THERE.
I, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
IS THAT WHAT WE JUST THAT'S WHAT I, I, I'M OKAY.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? CALL FOR A MOTION.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR THE, UH, FOR THE MILLIONS BETWEEN THE WINDOWS? YOU'LL HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE A, A BRICK MOLD, TOP BOTTOM SIDES.
AND WHAT YOU DOING IN THE MIDDLE? YEAH.
THE BRICK MOLD'S PRETTY MUCH GONNA BE ALMOST TOUCHING.
IT'S GONNA WORK OUT THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE BRICK MODE ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.
SO THE BRICK MODE, ONE WINDOW IS ALMOST GONNA BE TOUCHING THE OTHER BRICK MODE.
IS THAT GONNA BE IN FIELD WOOD? WHAT'S THAT GONNA, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA SEAL THAT? MM-HMM
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THAT'S IT.ANYTHING ELSE? CALL FOR MOTION.
I MOVE THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR 2 42 MIDDLE STREET, UH, TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BERN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH FOUR 11 TO 15 DASH 4 29 AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS AND PRINCIPLES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC STANDARDS AND FINDINGS.
FACT, UH, DESIGN PRINCIPLES 3.3 0.2 MODIFICATIONS, 3.3 0.3 0.324 WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.4 0.4 WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
MASONRY 5.2, FIVE POINT 0.3, AND FIVE POINT 0.4.
WOOD, 5.2 POINT AND FIVE PAINT 5.42 AND 5.43.
UH, FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, THE STRUCTURES CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND DENSE, UH, FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
UH, AS WE SAW EVIDENCE FROM THE WINDOW PREVIOUSLY IN THE OPENING, IT WAS A COMBINATION OF VARIOUS SASHES OF VARIOUS SIZES.
AND, UH, THE APPLICANT IS, UM, PROPOSING TO PROVIDE, UH, THREE SASHES OF, OF MORE STANDARDIZED SIZE, UH, THE OPENINGS IN THE SECONDARY A VC, UH, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS OF MATERIALS, UH, MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STANDARDS.
UH, WE'VE HAD THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR COMMENT ACCORDINGLY.
AND, UH, UH, THE, THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED? MOTION TO ISSUE A COA.
OPPOSED? WAIT, UH, WHO DID THE SECOND? GREAT.
ALRIGHT, YOU DONE? THANK YOU MATT.
[5.G. 514 C St. – to include a new front stairway and handrail in the Primary AVC and removal of chain link fencing and replacement with 4-foot-high wood fencing and gates in the Primary and Secondary AVCs.]
14 C STREET, AND THIS IS, UH, A NEW FRONT STAIRWAY AND HANDRAIL IN THE PRIMARY A VC REMOVAL OF A CHAIN LINKING CHAIN LINK FENCE AND REPLACEMENT WITH FOUR FOOT HIGH WOOD FENCE AND GATES IN THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY A VC.AND YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN IN, SIR.
DO YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY? YES, I DO.
AND GO AHEAD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME.
SO THIS IS, UH, HIS APPLICATION FOR FIVE 14 C STREET.
UH, THE OTHER OWNER IS PAULINE UCCI, CORRECT? YES.
UH, AND HE DESCRIBES IT ON THE FIRST SECTION, THE GUIDELINES IN SECOND, AND THE MATERIALS IN THE THIRD.
LET'S CHECKED OFF THE VARIOUS BOXES THERE, SIGNED IT AND DATED THE APPLICATION FOR THE ZONING INSPECTIONS REPORT.
WE HAVE, UH, THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS, HAS SAID THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING PERMIT IS REQUIRED.
UH, BUT NO FEE IS TO BE ASSESSED.
HE SAID THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO, NO REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY WANT TO HAVE A RECORD OF IT.
UH, CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR WILL NOT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, UM, UNLESS STRUCTURAL MODIFICATIONS ARE MADE TO THE DECK.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH DECK THAT IS.
UM, SO, UH, THESE ARE THE AERIALS FOR THE PROPERTY AND SHOWN HERE IN THE LIGHT BLUE, THE PROPERTY AND, I'M SORRY, THE TEAL BLUE OR AQUA MARINE BLUE, WHEREAS THE OTHER BLUE IS THE, UH, ACTUAL HISTORIC DISTRICT BOUNDARY.
SO YOU CAN SEE HE'S, UH, WE'VE GOT AN OUT VERY EDGE OF THE, THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT THERE, UH, WITH ONLY ONE NEIGHBOR IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, THEN THIS IS A CLOSER UP VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
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WITH THE DRIVEWAY ON THE NORTHEAST, UH, SIDE HERE.AND IT DOES HAVE A NICE SUBSTANTIAL BACKYARD.
UM, AND WE'LL SEE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THOSE.
SECOND, SO THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IN AUGUST OF 2012, AND MORE RECENTLY IN 2025 JULY, UH, THIS YEAR, UH, AS THEY WERE REPLACING THE ROOFING.
UM, HE, UM, HAS, UM, UH, THE COA FOR THAT IS IN THE PROCESS, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.
SO, BUT, UH, THIS GIVES YOU A, A MORE MODERN OR MORE CURRENT, UH, VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
FOR EXAMPLE, THAT LATTICE WORK IS GONE ON THE FRONT PORCH.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, WHEN I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT HIS ROOFING, HE SAID HE HAD SOME PLANS FOR, UH, HIS, HIS FRONT STEPS AND SOME FENCING.
UH, SO WE HAVE HERE HIS, UH, PLAN OF THE SITE, THE HOUSE HERE, UH, THE SQUARE.
UH, AND THEN, UM, THE FENCING IS, UH, GOES FROM THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE HOUSE OUT THREE FEET.
AND IT BASICALLY IS THE SAME LOCATION AS THE CURRENT CHAIN LINK FENCING THAT'S THERE AND WILL EXTEND OUT 20 FEET TOWARDS THE STREET JUST WITHOUT, UH, JUST STRAIGHT OUT AND END.
UH, AND THEN, UH, HEAD BACK ALONG THE STREET, UH, BEYOND HIS, THE BACK OF HIS HOUSE AND TERMINATE WHERE THERE IS CURRENTLY A CHAIN LINK GATE, WHICH WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH, UH, NEW, UH, GATE THERE.
ALL OF THIS FENCING IS FOUR FOOT, UM, UH, PICKET FENCING.
THE REST OF THE FENCING ALONG THAT SIDE WILL REMAIN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S CHAIN LINK, IT IS, UH, COVERED WITH ALL KINDS OF GROWTH, UH, WHICH ACTUALLY DOES COMPLY WITH OUR GUIDELINES.
THERE'LL BE LEAVING THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK AROUND, ALONG THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
AND AS WE CONTINUE THEN ON THE LEFT SIDE HERE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, 125 FEET OF NEW, UM, UH, FENCING WILL BE ADDED THERE.
THEN A 10 FOOT WIDE GATE ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY, AND THEN FIVE FEET RETURNING BACK TO THE BACK TO THE HOUSE.
ALL THE FENCING IS FOUR FOOT HIGH, SO NOT AN ISSUE IF IT'S IN THE PRIMARY, SECONDARY, TERTIARY, DOESN'T MATTER.
UM, AND NOW ONE THING THOUGH, HOWEVER, UM, MR. SUCCI, I, I COULDN'T QUITE READ YOUR WORD THERE.
NEW FENCE TO, WHAT IS THAT WORD THERE? TO REMAIN IS THAT, TO REMAIN A NEW FENCE TO REMAIN SAME START FROM CORNER OF HOUSE.
THAT'S WHY MAYBE IT DOESN'T MATTER.
DOES YOUR NEIGHBOR HAVE A NEW FENCE? NO.
SO, UH, WELL, IT'S GONNA REMAIN THE SAME STARTING POINTS I THINK YOU HAD ASKED, OH, IF IT WAS GONNA BE AT THE CORNER OF THE JACK OR, ALRIGHT, SO THE NEW FENCE IS TO BE ESSENTIALLY LOCATED WHERE THE EXISTING FENCE IS.
SO, UM, ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT.
HE PROVIDED SOME, UH, PHOTOS OF HIS PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK, UM, DRIVEWAY, GATE AND FENCING ON THE LEFT AND FENCE TO THAT CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED FENCING THAT WE JUST APPROVED, UM, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, UM, IN, UH, RIVERSIDE.
THAT'S, UH, AT THREE 16 AVENUE C.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S PROPOSING ALSO.
IN FACT, HE, UM, I CALLED IT, HE STOLE THE, UH, THE, THE DESIGN FROM THERE, THE DESIGN DRAWING SKETCH FROM THERE.
BUT, UH, HE SAID IT'S THE SAME CONTRACTOR.
SO, SO THE CONTRACTOR JUST USING THE SAME THING.
THAT WAS WHAT WE APPROVED AT THREE 16, UH, AVENUE SEAT.
UH, SO THIS IS THE EXISTING FENCING, THE 20 FOOT PORTION HERE, UH, ON THE LEFT YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT PORCH IN THE BACKGROUND IN THE CORNER OF HIS HOUSE.
AND THEN THE FENCE CONTINUES, CONTINUES STRAIGHT PAST THE HOUSE, APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET AWAY FROM THE HOUSE, AND THEN, UM, CONTINUES PAST THE HOUSE.
LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE GRAPEVINES ON THERE.
AND THEN, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE CORNER POST FOR THAT GATE, UH, ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE, THE FENCING.
SO THE, THE GATE WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH THE NEW PICKET FENCE
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OR A NEW PICKET GATE.THE, UH, THIS METAL POST WILL REMAIN SO THAT THE, UH, REST OF THE, UH, CHAIN LINK CAN REMAIN.
AND YOU CAN SEE HOW IT IS, UH, SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW.
'CAUSE THIS IS FROM THE INSIDE, FROM THE, FROM HIS YARD, UH, BACKYARD.
AND THEN THIS IS HIS, UH, THE REAR FENCE ALONG HIS REAR PROPERTY LINE.
SO THEN HE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UM, REPLACE THIS CURRENT, UH, CONCRETE, UH, STEPS AND METAL RAILING WITH SOMETHING EXACTLY LIKE THE NEW ONE THAT WAS BUILT BY HIS NEIGHBOR.
AND THESE ARE FOUR HOUSES THAT ARE ALL THE SAME.
UH, SO ANYWAY, SO WE HAVE, THIS IS, UH, WHAT HE WANTS TO BUILD AND THIS IS ALL WOOD.
UM, AND IT'S UP 5 0 8 C STREET RECENTLY APPROVED AND BUILT.
THEN, UH, THIS IS HIS, UM, FRONT PORCH AND HE WANTS TO MATCH THE, UH, HANDRAIL TO MATCH THE FRONT PORCH RAILING, UH, WITH, UH, WITH THE HAND GRIP AND THE, UH, SPINDLES AND THE BOTTOM RAIL, ET CETERA.
AND SO, AGAIN, UM, PROVIDING A PHOTO OF THE NEIGHBOR'S ONE, BUT PROVIDING THE DESCRIPTION HERE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTS, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT POSTS ARE SIX BY SIX, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND THAT'S A SIDE VIEW OF THOSE SAME, UH, UH, STAIRS AT THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND TOWARDS THE TOP, HOW IT CONNECTS TO, TO THE COLUMNS HE'S DOING, WANTS TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
ALRIGHT, SO THEN I'M READY WITH THE STAFF REPORT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT, SIR? NO.
STAFF, MR. SHE, ANYONE? ASK IF ANYBODY GOT ENOUGH? YEAH.
OH, DOES ANYONE HERE WHO GOT A NOTICE WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE.
LET'S MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIGGER FOR YOU GUYS.
ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE FOR THE APPLICANT, MICHAEL AND PAULINE SUCCI.
UH, THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS FIVE 14 C STREET, HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME AND DATE IS THE A OK FOR RENTAL HOUSE.
ALL FOUR OF THOSE HOUSES WERE A-O-O-A-K FOR RENTAL HOUSES, UH, BUILT CIRCA IN 1914.
IT'S A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
AND IN THE 1988 RIVERSIDE NATIONAL RIVER NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION, UM, IT STATES APPARENTLY BUILT WITHIN SEVERAL YEARS AFTER OH EIGHT K FOR, UH, NUMBER INVENTORY.
NUMBER 10, UH, PURCHASED A LARGE TRACT OF LAND FRONTING ON NATIONAL AVENUE AND SEA STREET.
THIS TWO STORY DOUBLE PILE FRAME, SIDE HALL PLAN HOUSE REMAINS RENTAL PROPERTY TOPPED BY A STANDING SEAM TIN FRONT GABLE ROOF WITH RETURNS.
THE HOUSE FEATURES A THREE BAY FACADE SPAN BY A ONE STORY FULL FACADE PORCH WITH TUSCAN COLUMNS SQUARE IN SECTION BALLISTERS AND A BRICK LATTICE FOUNDATION.
A ONE STORY L EXTENDS TO THE REAR WITH A NARROW PORCH ALONG THE INNER ELEVATION.
AND A CHIMNEY RISES TO THE RIGHT WEST OF THE ROOF.
RIDGE WINDOWS ARE TWO OVER TWO.
SASH AND SANDECK, UH, DID NOT TALK ABOUT HU IN RIVERSIDE, INCLUDING NOTHING ABOUT THIS ONE.
UH, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A NEW FRONT STAIRWAY AND HANDRAIL IN THE PRIMARY A, B, C AND REMOVAL OF CHAIN LINK FENCING AND REPLACEMENT WITH FOUR FOOT HIGH WOOD FENCING AND GATES IN THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ABCS.
STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION.
FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS TWO AND TWO DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.1, AND FOUR WOOD FIVE AND TWO, PAINT.
STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS THE REPLACEMENT OF MANUFACTURED CONCRETE
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STEPS AND METAL HANDRAIL WITH WOOD STEPS AND HANDRAILS IN THE PRIMARY A, B, C, AND REPLACING FOUR FOOT HIGH CHAIN LINK FENCING AND GATES WITH FOUR FOOT HIGH WOOD PICKET FENCING AND GATES IN ALL ABCS.THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
THE ZONING FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS AND THESE PC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS PRIOR TO BEGINNING THE WORK.
MEMBERS, YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? WELL, AS A, AS A FORMER, UH, RESIDENT OF, OF RIVERSIDE, I CAN SAY THAT, UH, THE HOUSES ON C STREET HAVE NOT RECEIVED A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, TLC OVER THE YEARS AS PART OF THE RIVERSIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO I, I COMMEND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
UH, WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE, UH, THE REMOVAL OF CHAIN LINK FENCES.
REPLACING THAT WITH, UH, WITH THE WOOD PICKET FENCE.
UH, THE STEPS, UH, CERTAINLY ARE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR OTHER, UH, HOUSES THAT YOU SEE IN RIVERSIDE.
THIS SHOTGUN SIDE HALL STYLE, UH, IT'S, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THIS IS A JOHN CARPENTER HOUSE 'CAUSE HE BUILT A NUMBER OF THESE SHOTGUN SIDE HALLS IN THE RIVERSIDE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.
OKAY? SO, UH, YES, THIS IS, THESE, THESE MODIFICATIONS ARE CERTAINLY, UH, WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER AN IMPROVEMENT TO A HISTORIC PROPERTY THAT, UH, COULD USE SOME, SOME REAL TLC.
YEAH, IT'S A TOUGH STREET
SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER BENEFIT OF HAVING THAT, THAT, UH, THOSE PICKET FENCES.
YOU, THE PICTURE OF THE, YOUR NEIGHBOR'S FENCE IS CORRECT MM-HMM
BUT YOU'VE WRITTEN TWO INCH SEPARATION ON THE PICKETS IS REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT AN INCH.
I THINK THAT THE FENCE IS RIGHT.
IS THAT RIGHT, MR. SHELBY? IT SAYS TWO INCHES ON HIS DRAWING.
UH, BUT THEN THE BALL, THE SQUARE BALLAST RAIDS ON THE PORCH AND OTHER, AND THE, THE, UH, STAIRWAY, THOSE ARE THREE INCH.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS SHOWS TWO INCHES UP HERE.
SO THE FENCE IS RIGHT, JUST WHAT YOU DREW THERE IS OKAY.
IS ALL ALRIGHT WITH THAT? IS THERE A MOTION? UH, YEAH.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR, UH, FIVE 14 C STREET, UH, TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BRUIN'S.
CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH FOUR 11 TO 15 DASH 4 29 AND NEW BRUNS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, THE GUIDELINES, UH, FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.2, DESIGN PRINCIPLES 3.1 ENTRANCES 4.41 4.4 0.4, UH, WOOD, 5.5 POINT PAINT.
UH, FINDINGS OF FACT THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UH, IN THE RIVERSIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, IN A TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS A REPLACEMENT OF, UH, MANUFACTURED CONCRETE STEPS AND A METAL HANDRAIL WITH MORE APPROPRIATE WOOD STEPS AND WOOD HANDRAILS IN THE PRIMARY A, B, C AREA, AS WELL AS A REPLACING A CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH AN APPRO, A MORE APPROPRIATE, UH, WOOD PICKET FENCE.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE PROJECT AND MAKE COMMENTS.
UH, THE PROPOSED PROJECT, UH, DOES NOT DIMINISH THE SPECIAL CHARACTER OF THE RIVERSIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
UH, ONE CONDITION IS THAT ANY REVISIONS TO WHAT WE APPROVE TONIGHT, THE
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APPLICANT WILL CONTACT THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR, UH, AND BRING IT BACK, BRING BACK ANY CHANGES TO US AS NECESSARY, UH, FOR APPROVAL.SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
OPPOSED? MOTION TO ISSUE A COA.
AND AGAIN, APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
[5.H. 226 E. Front St. – to include a new 3-story infill mixed-use building and parking lot.]
NOW HAVE 2 26 EAST FRONT.THIS IS A NEW THREE STORY INFILL MIXED USE BUILDING AND PARKING LOT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE ON THE SCREENS, UM, UH, THE APPLICATION FOR 2 26 EAST FRONT STREET.
UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS JAMES ARY AND THE APPLICANT IS CHRIS WALKER.
UH, CHRIS IS STANDING BEFORE US, UH, AND WE DO HAVE HIS AUTHORIZATION FORM COMING UP IN A MOMENT.
UM, THEY, UH, ASK US TO LOOK AT THE ATTACHMENTS FOR ALL THE INFORMATION ON THE FRONT OF THE APPLICATION, AND THEN THE APPLICATION IS SIGNED BY MR. WALKER.
SO HERE'S THE, UH, OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION, UH, AND SIGNED BY MR. S AND NOTARIZED.
THESE ARE THE ATTACHMENTS, UH, TO THE APPLICATION WITH THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION.
THE GUIDELINES LISTED ALL HERE.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REPORT.
UM, AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR INDICATES THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, UH, WITH A COMMENT THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WAS ISSUED AND APPROVED.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR INDICATES THAT THE PROJECT WILL, OF COURSE, REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT AND FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
SO THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT OF THE SITE.
SO IT'S THE VACANT LOT HERE THAT IS, LOOKS LIKE A PARKING LOT OR IS USED AS PARKING LOT MOSTLY.
UH, AND ALSO TO NOTE IS THE, UH, BUILDING TO THE RIGHT HERE IS, UH, PROMINENT HISTORIC BUILDING DOWNTOWN.
AND THEN THERE ARE, UH, TWO OTHER BUILDINGS OFF TO THE LEFT HERE THAT, UM, WELL AT LEAST ONE THAT, UH, FRONTS ON THE SITE OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, AND THEN ANOTHER VIEW, UM, THIS IS NOW DOWN EAST FRONT STREET ON THE RIGHT AND P*****K STREET ACROSS THE, ACROSS THE FOREGROUND HERE, A VIEW OF THE PROPERTY, UH, CLOSER UP, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, SHOWING THE USE SAYS PARKING LOT, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE GRASS, AND THEN THE SIDEWALK ALONG EAST FRONT STREET.
AND THEN THIS IS, UH, ALSO ALONG EAST FRONT STREET, LOOKING BACK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
SO LOOKING NORTH IN THE PARKING LOT ON THE RIGHT.
AND THIS IS NOW TURNED AROUND AGAIN, UH, LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS THAT, UH, PROMINENT, UH, BRICK BUILDING, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS NOW THREE AND A HALF STORIES.
AND IT'S ALSO, UH, ON A RELATIVELY HIGH FOUNDATION.
UH, AND THEN THE OTHER BUILDING, UH, TO THE EAST OF THE SITE IS THIS BRICK BUILDING, APARTMENT BUILDING TWO STORIES.
AND THEN THERE'S, UH, ANOTHER BUILDING ON THAT PROPERTY, UH, FACING OR FRONTING THE RIVER.
UH, AND SO NOW THIS IS A VIEW OF THE PARKING LOT AND SITE AREA FROM, UH, THE EASTERN END OF P*****K STREET WHERE THE EASTERN SOUTHEAST, NORTH EASTERN CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
AND LOOKING ALONG WITH THE, THE APARTMENT BUILDING ON THE LEFT, UH, AND THE SITE TO THE RIGHT.
IN THIS CASE, MOST OF THIS AREA SHOWN HERE WILL BE FUTURE PAVED PARKING.
AND THE PARKING WILL CONTINUE BACK, UH, TO THE AREA BEHIND THE THREE AND A HALF STORY BRICK BUILDING, WHICH, UH, THE BACK
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OF WHICH WE SEE HERE ON THE RIGHT.AND THEN A VIEW, UH, ACROSS THE PARKING LOT.
UM, AGAIN, THE BUILDING WILL BE, UH, ESSENTIALLY BE SITTING WHERE THESE VEHICLES ARE, UH, PARKED RIGHT NOW.
AND THE REST WILL BE, UM, PARKING, UH, PAVED PARKING, AND THEN A VIEW BACK FROM THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE, THE ENTIRE SITE, UM, BACK TOWARDS P*****K STREET, SHOWING THAT AND PARKING AREA, CURRENT TRAVEL PARKING AREA.
THERE IS A, UH, THREE STORY BRICK, UH, RESIDENCE ACROSS THE STREET, UH, ACROSS EAST FRONT STREET FROM THE, THE SITE.
SO, UH, THIS IS A PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR THIS, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THERE WILL BE A SIMPLIFIED ONE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT, UM, THIS HAS MORE DETAIL IF WE NEED IT.
FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IT DOES SHOW THE, UM, THE FLOOD PLAIN LINE IS THIS RED CURVY LINE.
UH, IT ALSO SHOWS SOME TOPOGRAPHY, SHOWS THE FULL EXTENT OF THE PARKING ON THIS, UM, AND SOME OF THE, THE PAVING AROUND THE PROPERTY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
THIS IS JUST TO SHOW THAT THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF DETAIL ON HERE FOR THE SAME INFORMATION IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT, THAT IS ON THIS MORE SIMPLIFIED, CALMER VIEW OF THE PROJECT SITE.
SO NOW WE CAN SEE MORE CLEARLY.
THE BUILDING IS HERE, CROSS HATCHED AND BLUE.
AND, UM, THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS HERE AT THE TOP ALONG FRONT STREET, BUT THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER ENTRANCE ALONG P*****K STREET.
AND, UH, THE ONE THAT ALONG EAST FRONT STREET IS FLANKED BY, UH, TWO SETS OF STAIRS.
UH, WHEREAS, UH, THE A DA RAMP IS NOW SHOWN HERE, UH, STARTING ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE SIDE, AND THEN ENTERS INTO A SIDE ENTRANCE.
UH, HERE AT THE STAIRWELL, THERE IS ANOTHER SIX.
THEN THAT, UH, LANDING CONTINUES OUT TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND IS A SET OF STAIRS HERE INTO THE PARKING LOT.
UM, THE, UH, ENTRANCE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, IT ALSO HAS LANDING AT, UH, FLOOR HEIGHT.
UM, SO, UH, STAIRS AT THE EASTERN END OF THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN, UH, FLAT ACROSS THIS FACADE.
UH, AND THEN, UH, TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE ENTRANCEWAY HERE, BUT ALSO NOTE IS THAT THE DESIGN INCLUDES, UM, SHOWN CROSS HATCHED HERE, BUT IT'S AN OUTDOOR SPACE ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS MORE LIKE AN ARCADE.
UH, WE'LL SEE THAT IN THE PLANS HERE IN A SECOND.
AND THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING ALONG THE BACK.
AND THEN, WE'LL, ALSO, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY FEATURES OF THE FRONT AND REAR ELEVATIONS, JUST, UH, THE PARKING LOT ITSELF.
UM, UH, JUST A STANDARD PARKING LOT WITH, UH, UM, TWO, UH, WELL, ACTUALLY ONE, UH, PLANTING ISLAND, UH, AND ONE TREE AT THE ENTRANCE, UH, A DUMPSTER WITH ITS ENCLOSURE.
UH, UM, UH, AND IT DOES ACTUALLY CONNECT OVER TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AT THAT END, SO, OH, UH, SO FOR THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE INCLUDES, UH, FENCING, LIKE THIS, FENCING DESIGN LIKE THIS EIGHT FOOT HIGH.
UM, LEMME ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THIS.
SO HERE WE CAN SEE THAT SAME FLOOR PLAN I WAS JUST DESCRIBING.
UH, THE ARCADE ON THE FRONT HAS, UM, YOU CAN SEE THREE PAIRS OF DOORS IN THE, UM, EXTERIOR TO INTERIOR WALL, THE EXTERIOR WALL ALONG THIS FACADE.
AND THEN THE ARCADE IS SUCH, OR AT LEAST I'M DESCRIBING IT AS SUCH, BECAUSE THESE THREE, FOUR WHITE RECTANGLES REPRESENT OPENINGS IN THAT WALL.
AND THERE IS AN, A LARGE OPENING IN FRONT OF THE, UH, CENTER FRONT, UH, FRONT DOORS WHERE WE HAVE THE STAIRWAY.
UH, AND THEN ON THE BACK, SIMILAR, UM, EXCEPT WE HAVE FOUR SINGLE DOORS.
AND THEN, UH, THE ARCADE IS A, UH, REGULAR SEQUENCE OF OPENINGS.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
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ALRIGHT.UM, THE ENTRANCE ON P*****K STREET HAS DOUBLE DOORS, AND THIS IS THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO IF WE NEED TO REFERENCE THIS AT ALL, BUT, UM, OR JUST THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO THE THIRD FLOOR MAYBE HAS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DESIGN, BUT AGAIN, THE ROOF.
SO ON THE ROOF, THE ROOF IS, UH, ROOFING IS TO BE ALL, UM, UH, METAL ROOFING.
AND, UM, THE, THE, IT'S A HIP, UM, SHAPE WITH SIX DORMERS ON IT.
AND THE HIP CULMINATES AT THE TOP.
UH, INSTEAD OF MEETING AT A RIDGE, IT MEETS, UM, AT WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY A, A MECHANICAL UNIT, UM, STORAGE AREA SURROUNDED BY SOME, UH, SCREENING.
UH, AND SO AS A FLAT ROOF UP THERE WITH THAT SCREENING UP THERE, UH, THEN ON THE RIGHT WE'LL SEE, UH, THAT THERE'S A TOWER ON THE RIGHT OVER THE ENTRANCE ON THAT SIDE.
AND THAT'S THE, UH, DOUBLE LOCK METAL ROOFING, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO HERE WE HAVE OUR FRONT ELEVATION.
THE ENTIRE, UM, THE ENTIRE BUILDING IS WRAPPED IN BRICK AND, UH, THE, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOW AND, AND DOOR FENESTRATION PATTERN, UH, THROUGHOUT.
THEN AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE STAIRWAY, THERE'S ACTUALLY A ROOF OVER THAT WITH SOME, UH, CURVED, UM, METAL ROOF, UM, AND SOME, UM, DECORATIVE RAILING.
AT THE TOP OF THAT, THE, UM, WINDOW OPENINGS ALSO HAVE, UM, THOSE CONCRETE HEADERS WITH, UH, WITH KEY STONES.
UH, THERE ARE SOME, UH, SOME BLIND OPENINGS HERE WITH, WHICH ARE ESSENTIALLY REVEALS, UM, THE DORMERS ARE SHOWN HERE.
THERE'S, UH, ONE IN THE CENTER IS LARGER THAN THE TWO ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT.
THEY ALSO HAVE SOME DECORATIVE RAILING.
AND THEN THE VERY TOP IS WHERE THE, UH, H-P-H-V-A-C-H-P-C SCREENING HVAC SCREENING IS.
AND, UH, THE, UM, STRIKING ELEMENT ON THE LEFT HERE IS THE, THE TOWER THAT'S BEEN ADDED WITH ITS DESIGN FOR, UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, SOME, A PINNACLE, UH, AT THE TOP OF THAT ROOF.
OH, THE, UH, THE CORNERS OF THE BUILDINGS INCLUDE, UH, A COIN.
IT'S CALLED A COIN PATTERN ON THE CORNERS, UH, THESE COINS ARE, UH, MADE OF BRICK, NOT OUT OF CONCRETE OR PLASTER.
UM, LET'S SEE, YOU ALSO MENTIONED, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THIS, UH, ELEMENT HERE, UH, IN THE FRONT CENTER DECORATIVE ALUMINUM WALL SCREEN WITH BRICK BEHIND.
SO, UH, JUST A DECORATIVE ALUMINUM SCREEN THERE, RIGHT? JUST A, A REVEAL IN THE BRICK WITH THE, UH, THE SCREEN KIND OF TOWARDS THE FRONT IT.
UH, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY ACCESS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HERE WE SEE THE, UH, THE, UH, A DA RAMP.
OH, THE OTHER THING TO NOTE HERE IS, UH, THE ELEVATIONS NOW INCLUDE THAT THE ROOFING, UM, DOES HAVE AN, AN EVE DESIGN ON THIS, UH, THAT WAS MENTIONED IN OUR DESIGN REVIEW MEETING AS WELL.
SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ELEVATION.
UM, THE OTHER POINT HERE IS THAT, UH, THROUGH THE OPENINGS IN THE, IN THE, UH, ARCADE OR THE COLONNADE HERE, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, THE WALL FOR THE EXTERIOR WALL OF THE INTERIOR SPACE.
UH, SO ON THE LEFT HERE WE HAVE THE DOUBLE DOOR WITH, UH, SOME GLASS ON EITHER SIDE, BUT THEN THERE'S A SOLID PORTION, UM, UNTIL YOU GET TO THE MIDDLE DOUBLE DOOR, WHICH ALSO HAS THE GLASS
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ON EACH SIDE.AND THEN SIMILARLY, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE ALSO TO NOTE IS THAT THE, UM, THE RAILING, UH, ALONG THIS COLONNADE, UM, IS SHORTER AT THE TOP, IS SHORTER AT THIS END BECAUSE THE, THE, THE KNEE WALL IS HIGHER AND THEN THE KNEE WALL GETS SHORTER, THE RAILING GETS HIGHER ALL THE WAY TOWARDS THE CENTER.
SO THERE'S A, LIKE A TAPERING EFFECT.
UH, WHAT IS THE MATERIAL THAT IS ON THAT EXTERIOR WALL? IT SHOULD BE LABELED THERE.
I THINK IT'S LABELED WITH THAT ALUMINUM STOREFRONT NOTE.
YEAH, RIGHT BELOW THE CUR TO THE LEFT OF THAT.
UH, THEN, OKAY, SO NOW GO FROM THE REAR.
ANOTHER THING TO NOTE, MATT, THAT YOU DIDN'T POINT OUT THERE, IS THE BUMP OUT AT THE TOWER.
ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WE HAVE ALSO SOME REVEALS THERE AS WELL AS WELL.
SO YOU HAVE, UH, THE NOTE SAYS THAT BOTH THIS SURFACE AND THE VERTICAL SURFACES ARE REVEALED.
SO WE GO IN AN INCH OR SO FOR THE LARGER AREA, AND THEN ANOTHER INCH OR SO FOR THE VERTICAL PIECES.
BUT I'M TALKING MORE ABOUT LOWER ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING THERE.
UM, DOWN HERE IT ACTUALLY PROTRUDES OUT MORE DOWN.
THERE'S, IT'S A, IT'S A STEP THAT'S RIGHT.
KIND OF WALKTHROUGH THAT YOU CAN, AND YOU ADDED THIS LIKE BALCONY ESSENTIALLY MM-HMM
RIGHT? I SAW THAT ON THE RENDERING.
AND WE'LL SEE THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT ELEVATION AS WELL, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE HOW DEEP IT IS ON THE ELEVATION.
SO THE REAR HAS ESSENTIALLY ALL THE SAME FEATURES THAT WE HAD ON THE FRONT MINUS THE, UH, STAIRWAY DOWN THE MIDDLE.
AND THERE ARE SINGLE DOORS, NOT DOUBLE DOORS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, THESE OTHER WINDOWS THAT THE, ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR, THESE ARE ACTUALLY DOORS, UH, UH, THAT SWING OPEN.
AND THESE, THIS IS WHAT'S CALLED A FRENCH BALCONY OR CAN BE CALLED A FRENCH BALCONY.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE DOORS ARE FLUSH WITH THE, OR ESSENTIALLY FLUSH WITH THE EXTERIOR WALL.
YOU CAN OPEN THEM IN AND THERE IS A RAILING THERE SO THAT YOU CAN STAND AT THE OPENING.
UM, SO THERE'S UH, FOUR OF THOSE ON EACH OF THE FRONT AND THE BACK, I BELIEVE.
UM, WINDOWS ARE ALL VERTICAL ORIENTATION.
WE HAVE, UH, SETS OF THREE HERE IN THE MIDDLE ON THE SIDE.
OH, WELL, THE DORMERS ARE DIFFERENT HERE.
UM, THESE ARE JUST, UH, INSTEAD OF THE LITTLE SMALL WINDOWS, LIKE ON THE FRONT, THESE HAVE THE, UH, ALUMINUM LOUVERS OR I SUPPOSE FOR VENTILATION.
ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GO TO THE RIGHT.
THE ONE ON THE RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE ONE FACING P*****K STREET.
THIS IS WHERE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS LIKE, UH, SMALL BALCONY, UM, UH, FEATURE.
AND THERE'S A SECOND ONE ABOVE THAT ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
UM, AND WE HAVE ALL THOSE REVEALS WITH THIS PATTERN HERE.
UH, THE TOWER IS THE SAME ON ALL FOUR SIDES.
UM, WHAT ELSE? WE HAVE A SMALL, UH, METAL ROOF DOWN HERE AT THE FIRST FLOOR OVER THE ACTUAL, UH, ENTRANCE WAY.
SO THE TOWER'S NOT CENTERED ON THE ENTRANCE WAY OR THE ENTRANCEWAY IS NOT IN AT THE TOWER, CORRECT? IT'S NEXT THERE.
UH, AND WHAT WE SEE HERE IN THE ELEVATIONS, JUST SO PEOPLE AREN'T CONFUSED, THE X WITH THE GRAY IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE COLONNADE IS.
AND SAME ON THE BACK NOW, UH, ON THIS OTHER SIDE THAT FACES THE, UH, NEIGHBORING THREE AND A HALF STORY BRICK, UH, BUILDING.
UH, THIS IS THE STAIRWAY TOWER HERE, UM, WITH THE EMERGENCY EGRESS DOOR AND ALSO THE ENTRANCE FOR HANDICAP ACCESS, I SUPPOSE.
UH, AND OTHERWISE ALL THE SAME KIND OF THINGS, EXCEPT THAT THE ARCADE IS NOT OPEN ON THIS END.
UM, 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE A BIT OF A DROP.
UH, WE HAVE, UM, THIS LITTLE OBJECT HERE IS A PRE-FINISHED ALUMINUM OVERFLOW SCUPPER, AND ALL THE REST OF THE THINGS ARE THE SAME.
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OKAY.WELL WE DO SEE, THIS IS A, UM, THE DOWNSPOUT I GUESS FOR THIS SIDE, CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO WE DO HAVE GUTTERS ALL THE WAY AROUND.
WE HAVE A GUTTER ON THIS END THAT, I MEAN A DOWNSPOUT THAT COMES DOWN THIS SIDE, UM, ALONG P*****K STREET.
UM, DID, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ALONG THE, DO WE HAVE SOME ALONG THE FRONT? WE DO THE BACK.
THAT'S WHAT THESE, UH, VERTICAL ELEMENTS ARE HERE.
1, 2, 3, 4 DOWNSPOUTS AND THEN ALSO ON THIS SIDE, TWO IN THE FRONT, TWO IN THE FRONT ONE AND TWO.
WHAT KIND OF MATERIAL ARE THOSE DOWN? YEAH, WHAT COLOR ARE THEY? UM, I'M THINKING ALUMINUM.
IT'LL MATCH, MATCH UP WITH THE GUTTER AND THE ROOF.
AND SO WE HAVE HERE SOME DETAILS THAT, UM, MOSTLY MORE INFORMATION THAN WE NEED, HOWEVER, IT DOES INDICATE SOME IMPORTANT ONES.
UH, THIS, THE STRUCTURE IS PRI PRIMARILY THE FOUNDATION IS PRIMARILY A, A CONCRETE MASONRY WALL THAT IS FACED WITH BRICK.
AND THEN A CONCRETE SLAB IS POURED ON TOP OF FILL.
UM, THAT BECOMES THE, UH, THERE IS NO BASEMENT, THERE IS NO CRAWL SPACE.
UM, AND SO IT'S SOLID UNDERNEATH THE, UH, FIRST FLOOR.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME DETAILS ON, UH, THE, UM, EXPLAINING WHAT THEY MEAN BY DECORATIVE, UM, METAL GUARDRAILS.
UM, THEY'RE MORE THAN JUST A SQUARE AND SECTION SPINDLES.
UH, AND WE HAVE SOME DETAILS ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, THE NEWELL POSTS.
AND, AND, UH, UH, I GUESS YOU CAN NOW SEE THE, UH, THE COIN WORK HERE AS WELL.
AND THE, UH, UH, THAT WAS A, A CLOSER VIEW OF THE DECORATIVE, UH, RAIL SPINDLES FOR THE, UH, UH, RAILING HANDRAILS.
SO THEN THEY PROVIDED SOME, UH, RENDERINGS.
SO THIS IS VIEW FROM P*****K STREET SIDE, AND THE FRONT IS ON THE RIGHT.
SO, OH, I GUESS NOW, UH, IN THIS VIEW YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THOSE, UH, BALCONIES.
I WAS MENTIONING THAT THEY FIND TRUE BALCONIES 'CAUSE THERE'S NO DOORWAY OR ANYTHING.
BUT I SEE THAT, UH, ON THIS ONE, IT, UM, HAS, UM, SOME WING WALLS UNDERNEATH THE UPPER BALCONY.
UM, THEN, UM, THE BUILDING IS SHOWN HERE IN RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORING, UH, BUILDING.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S EVEN A LITTLE BIT SHORTER THAN THAT ONE.
AND YOU ALSO NOW SEE THE, UH, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE EVE ON THE DESIGN, UM, CAN ALSO GET A BETTER, MAYBE A BETTER IDEA OF THE ENTRANCE, UH, CONSTRUCTION THERE.
OH, AND, UM, A, SOME, UH, TWO ROWS OF, UH, HIGHLIGHTING BRICK.
AND HERE'S ANOTHER, UH, RENDERING, UM, FROM THE OTHER ANGLE WITH MORE OF THE FRONT.
NOW, I GUESS THE, UH, THE FRENCH DOORS, ACTUALLY, SOME OF THEM ARE SET BACK FARTHER THAN OTHERS.
FRENCH BALCONIES ARE SETBACK FARTHER THAN OTHERS.
SO THERE MIGHT BE, UM, SEMI FRENCH, I DUNNO WHAT YOU WOULD CALL THAT.
BUT THIS SHOWS SOME OF THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING THAT WOULD OCCUR.
SO SOME UPLIGHTING TO HIGHLIGHT THE BUILDING.
UM, AND ARE YOU REPRESENTING THIS AS HOW, WHAT YOU'RE, UH, PROPOSING FOR THE, FOR THE PLAN OR? CORRECT.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THE PLANS HAVE ANY DETAILS ABOUT THAT YET.
UH, I THINK I SHOWED SOME LIGHT, SOME LIGHTING ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT
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OKAY.YEAH, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T GO TOO FAR INTO DETAIL ON THE LIGHTING.
SO, UM, ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION.
I HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, NOT JUST FOR THAT REASON, BUT, UM, SO WE HAVE THE RELATIVELY HIGH ELEVATION AND THEY'RE PROVIDING SOME, UH, PLANTINGS AROUND THE PERIMETER TO, UH, MITIGATE THAT.
AND, UM, THEY HAVE A RAMP ON THIS SIDE, THE, UH, THE FRONT STEPS ON THIS SIDE AS WELL.
UH, ON THE BACKSIDE THEY HAVE PARKING RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING.
UH, SO THERE IS NO MITIGATION ALONG THAT SIDE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, THIS RAMP IS IN THE PRIMARY, UM, A, B, C, AND, UM, I THINK WE SAY THAT, UH, IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEHOW SCREENED ALONG THE FRONT OF THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SPACE, UM, BETWEEN THE RAMP AND THE SIDEWALK OR NOT.
UM, I KNOW WE HAD TO DO THAT FOR THE, UM, CONVENTION CENTER, PRESBY, FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH ANNEX BUILDING OR WHATEVER.
THEY HAVE ONE, THEY HAVE A HANDICAP RAMP IN THE FRONT CONVENTION CENTER TOO AND CONVENTION CENTER.
BUT, UM, UH, THE OTHER ONE I DID NOTICE BECAUSE I WALKED BY THERE THE OTHER DAY AND THEY HAVE THE PLANTINGS THAT WE SUGGESTED WERE MORE LIKE VINES, UM, OR VERY SMALL PROFILE IN, UH, FOOTPRINT.
AND THEY HAVE GROWN UP IN FRONT OF THE, THE HANDICAP RAMP THERE.
SO THAT'S ON MIDDLE STREET FOR ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE RAMP OR IS THAT LATE? UH, LET'S SEE.
YEAH, I, WELL, I THINK I'M DONE THEN.
UH, WITH, WITH THIS AND READY WITH MY REPORT.
DO YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO HAVE A PICTURE OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY? OH, BECAUSE THAT'S, I THINK, INTERESTING IN TERMS OF THIS IN THE FILE.
YOU CAN ASK HIM IF HE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD.
CHRIS, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? I THINK YOU COVERED IT PRETTY WELL.
WELL, IS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS THAT HAS RECEIVED NOTICE? GUESS NOT.
THAT'S, WELL, MATT, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS FIRST OR FIND THE IMAGE? DON'T BOTHER WITH THE IMAGE OF IT JUST WOULD BE INTERESTING IF SOMEONE LOOKED AT THE VIDEO.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, THIS IS THE STAFF REPORT FOR THIS PROJECT AT THIS LOCATION, 2 26 EAST FRONT STREET.
UH, THE OWNER IS SEDENTARY FAMILY LIMITED, JAMES SET, ARY THE OWNER AND CHRIS WALKER, WALKER GROUP ARCHITECTURE INC.
UM, PROJECT ADDRESS IS 2 26 EAST FRONT STREET.
UH, AND THIS IS A VACANT LOT, SO NONE OF THE DESCRIPTIONS ARE THERE.
AND THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A NEW THREE STORY INFILL, MIXED USE BUILDING AND PARKING LOT STAFF SUBMITS FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, AKA GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT PATTERN 2.1, TWO AND THREE FOR UTILITIES, 2.3 0.1, TWO, THREE AND SIX FOR LANDSCAPING.
2.4 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR PARKING.
2.7 0.5 FOR SIGNAGE, 2.8 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE FOR INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
3.4 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR FOUNDATIONS.
WALL TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.4 AND FIVE, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 0.2 AND THREE ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.3 AND FOUR.
ACCESSIBILITY AND LIFE SAFETY, 4.7 0.2 AND THREE FOR MASONRY, 5.5 AND SIX FOR METALS.
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AND SIX.AND CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.1, 2, 3, 5, AND SIX.
STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE APPLICATION IS FOR A NEW THREE STORY INFILL STRUCTURE AND PARKING LOT IN THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
THREE OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FOUR, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS AND THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL BY STAFF OR THE HPC ACCORDING TO THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
ANY DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UH, A QUESTION ON THE RAMP, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE RAMP.
UM, I WAS WONDERING THE PARKING IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING YET THE RAMPS IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, IS THAT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY OH, YEAH.
GRADE WIDE LENGTH YOU COULD USE IN THE FRONT TO GET TO THE RAMP.
I JUST SEE THAT PARKING, THAT THE REAR OF THE RAMP SHOULD BE ACCESSIBLE FROM THE REAR AS WELL.
YEAH, WE JUST DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD WAY TO GET THE RAMP ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING THERE.
DID YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE FRONT OF THE YEAH, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF A LONG PATH TO GET TO, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOT A GOOD WAY TO GET THE, A RAMP ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
WE'D HAVE TO DO A LOT OF REARRANGING AND PUSHING THE BUILDING AROUND TO MAKE THAT WORK.
THERE WAS, THERE WAS A STAIRCASE THERE.
COULD YOU USE THAT STAIRCASE OR ONE THOSE STAIRCASES RIGHT? OR NOT ENOUGH SPACE? THE STAIRCASE RIGHT THERE ON THE, ON THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT ON THE LEFT, YEAH.
UM, GO ALL THE WAY TO THE RIVER
YEAH, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A STRAIGHT RUN, I MEAN, SO, UM, TWO, ONE FACTOR IS THAT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF SLOPE TO THE SITE SO THAT AT THE TOP OF THE DRAWING IS HIGHER THAN THE BACK, UH, THAN THE BOTTOM.
SO THE RAMP WOULD EVEN HAVE TO BE EVEN A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN YOU WOULD SEE ON THAT GOES AROUND TO THE FRONT.
SO I MEAN, THEY COULD SNAKE IT AROUND, I SUPPOSE, BUT THEN THEY LOSE THEIR PARKING.
YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT FLAT SECTION TO GET OUT OF THE STAIR THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, OH, THE, THE, THE EXIT FROM THE STAIR MM-HMM
NOW, UM, THAT WOULD'VE, UM, IF I MAY
THE, THE GENERAL SITE REVIEW FOR MAJOR PROJECTS? YES, CORRECT.
SO COMMISSIONER, WE, DO YOU HAVE A I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH YOU, GREG.
THAT JUST SEEMS IF YOU DO HAVE, YOU HAVE THE WHEEL, YOU HAVE THE HANDICAP ACCESS DOWN AT THAT BACK PART OF THE PARKING LOT, AND THEN TO GET IN, YOU HAVE TO WHEEL THE, GET THE WHOLE WAY AROUND THE WHOLE CORNER OF THE BUILDING TO GET THERE.
THAT DOESN'T SEEM VERY, UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS THOUGH.
UM, SO HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS DO YOU HAVE IN THIS LOT? I DON'T HAVE A COUNT ON THE, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, IT, IT MIGHT SHOW IT ON THAT, IT MAY MAYBE LIKE 25 OR 30 IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT WAS IN, IT WAS IN CONGRUENCE WITH, UH, THE SPECIAL USE IN ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
AND, AND, BUT I SEE THAT THERE'S NO LIGHTING ON THERE.
ARE, ARE YOU HAVING LIGHTING IN YOUR PARKING LOT AND ARE, ARE YOU HAVING ANY LANDSCAPE ISLANDS OR ANY MORE LANDSCAPING OTHER THAN ONE TREE NEAR THE STEPS? NOTHING THAT I HAVE PLANNED.
UM, WE MAY NEED TO COME BACK AND, AND TALK ABOUT LIGHTING IN THE, IN THE FUTURE.
UM, IN THAT BACK PARKING LOT, I, I THINK HE, HE DOES HAVE SOME LIGHTING FOR THE APARTMENTS BEHIND IT.
I, I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD NEED SOME LIGHTING IN THERE.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS IS GONNA BE FAIRLY DARK, I WOULD THINK.
AND THERE YOU GO, 33 SPACES, ALL OF THEM ARE ON, ON THAT PART.
THERE'S SOME EXISTING LIGHTING ON THE APARTMENT BUILDING MM-HMM
SO, UH, THAT SHINE ONTO PARKING.
THE PARKING IS USED FOR MULTIPLE USES.
THE APARTMENT BUILDING IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT CALCULATION.
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ACTUALLY MORE RELEVANT IS THAT, UM, THEY DO INCLUDE SOME LANDSCAPING HERE ON THE SITE PLAN.SO YOU SHOULD GET SOME DESCRIPTION OF THE LANDSCAPING.
SO THAT LEADS INTO SITE AND SETTING ANY ISSUES WITH, UH, THE OPEN SPACES, THE UTILITY PLACEMENTS, LANDSCAPING WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO WE DO NEED A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON LANDSCAPING AND MAYBE LIGHTING.
ARE YOU CLEAR, MATT, ON THE LIGHTING FOR THE BUILDING? NO.
SO THAT WOULD BE MAYBE A CONDITION.
SO MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, ARE WE GOING THROUGH THE COA WORK? YES.
UH, ON PAGE ONE DASH 15 OF THE GUIDELINES, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE COA WORKSHEET IN FRONT OF YOU, I HAVE A FEW EXTRA COPIES.
IF SOMEONE NEEDS ONE, I CAN BRING IT UP.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IN REGARD TO BUILDING PLACEMENT, YEAH, IT SEEMS TO BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE WHERE IT, UH, ANCHORS THE CORNER THAT, THAT'S KIND OF A MISSING TOOTH IN, IN TERMS OF, UH, MASSING AND, UM, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATELY POSITIONED WITHIN THE, UH, THE LAND THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO USE, ALBEIT MAYBE A LITTLE LARGE AND A LITTLE TIGHT LITTLE BIT.
I THINK THE EAVE LOOK LOOKED SO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE SAW BEFORE, AND THAT GIVES IT A LOT BETTER LOOK A LOT LESS BOXY.
LOOK, I THINK IT WAS GOOD, MAN, YOU'VE BEEN BUSY.
YEAH, WE REALLY TRIED TO PLAY WITH THE, UH, THE MASSING IN THE FORM OF THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING THERE, THE ROOF LINES, THE, THE DORMERS.
JIM, IS THIS, WHICH ONE? ANYTHING ELSE ON SITE AND SETTING? YEAH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT, WE LOOK AT 2.1 0.1 THROUGH 2.1 0.3 DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS SIMILAR TO WHAT, WHAT, UH, DRIP WAS SAYING OF ADJACENT NEARBY STRUCTURES, MASS SCALE PROPORTION OF RELATED TO CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT ARE NEARBY.
I, I THINK THIS DESIGN DOES A VERY GOOD JOB OF BEING KIND AND GENTLE TO, TO CERTAINLY THE 18 HUNDREDS, UH, BUILDING THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT AS WELL AS THE, UH, APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN THE BACK.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOESN'T OVERWHELM THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
YES, IT IS A LARGE BUILDING, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, OVERALL IT'S, IT'S A GOOD FIT WITH ADJACENT, UH, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND I THINK IT, UH, PAYS HOMAGE TO THE BUILDING THAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY.
WAS THE APPLE TOON OAKMAN, IS THAT THE, I I THINK SO.
THE JAIL APPLE TO APPLES TIME, IT WAS THE JAIL AT ONE TIME.
UH, MOVING ON TO DESIGN ATTRIBUTES, SCALE MASS PROPORTION, YOU REALLY MENTIONED THAT.
UH, TEXTURE DETAILS ON A LOT OF DETAILS I THINK ON THIS.
AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS DESIGN, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.
IS, UM, ON THE TOWER YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE REVEALS, SOME OF THOSE INSETS ARE, THAT'S JUST BRICK, EVEN THOUGH ON, ON THE, ON THE DRAWING, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, BUT IS THAT JUST LIKE LIT DIFFERENTLY OR JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED TO SHOW THE REVEAL ON THE IT IT'S JUST HIGHLIGHTED TO SHOW THAT WE'RE BE YEAH, IT'S ALL BRICK.
IT, IT MAY BE ABOUT, IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT COLOR BRICK, BUT IT'LL BE, UM, IT'S ALL BRICK.
YOU'LL SEE, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE A SHADOW LINE THERE.
BUT YOU, IT'S NOT A DIFFERENT MATERIAL.
THAT'S JUST THE PURPOSE TO GET THE SHADOW LINE.
DESIGN COMPONENTS MOVE INTO WALLS, TRIM, ORNAMENTATION, WINDOWS, DOORS, OPENINGS, ENTRANCES, THE ROOF, UH, ACCESSIBILITY, LIFE SAFETY, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS YOU HAVE THERE? I THINK ALL OF THAT IS VERY, VERY COMPATIBLE, UH, CERTAINLY WITH THE STRUCTURE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED AS WELL AS, UH, ADJACENT STRUCTURES.
AND FINALLY, MATERIALS WE'RE USING BRICK, UH, SOME SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS.
AND SOME METALS AND I, THERE WILL BE SOME PAINTED AREAS, OR NOT JUST THE, JUST THE SIDING WITHIN THE, THE COLONY DAY.
SO ANY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO, I, I, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON HA HIT THE NAIL, UM, ON THAT ONE.
I THINK THE, THE PROXIMITY TO THAT OLDER STRUCTURE, THE 1800 STRUCTURE, I THINK IT REALLY DOES, UM, GOES VERY WELL IN THAT, IN THAT SPACE.
I AGREE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BIG BUILDING FOR THAT SPACE, BUT I THINK OVERALL IT LOOKS WELL IN, IN THAT, IN THAT CORNER.
CHRIS, I, I THINK, UH, YOU, YOU DID WELL,
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UM, EXPLORING THE OVERHANG EVE COMMENT.I HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS S RENDERING, BUT, BUT I CAN TELL FROM THE, THE CURRENT ONE, IT, I THINK IT MAKES A PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE OF, UH, SOFTENING THE APPEARANCE ON THE STREET FROM WHAT, WHAT YOU CAN SEE AND ALSO BRINGS INTO FOCUS A LOT OF THE ARTICULATION AND DETAILS YOU'VE, UH, INTEGRATED TO THE FACADES.
YOU, IT'S LESS OF A MASSIVE WALL IN THE AIR NOW.
SO I THINK WE'RE JUST, JUST HERE AND MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ULTIMATELY FOR LATER ABOUT LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING.
SO WITH THAT, IS THERE A MOTION? SURE.
EVERYBODY LOOK AT EVERYBODY ELSE ONLY 'CAUSE IT'S SO LONG.
UM, I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR THE PROJECT AT 2 2 6 EAST FRONT STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE NEW BERN'S CODE OF ORDINANCES.
SECTIONS 15 4 1 1 THROUGH 15 4 2 9 AND NEW BERN'S DISTRICT HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UM, DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS 2.11, 2.12, 2.1 0.3.
UTILITIES, 2.3 0.2 0.3 0.2 0.3 0.3 AND 2.3 0.6.
LANDSCAPING 2.4 0.1, 2.42, 2.4 0.3 2.4 0.4.
SIGNAGE 2.81, 2.82, 2.8 0.3 AND 2.8 0.4.
INFILL CONSTRUCTION, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4 FOUNDATIONS, 4.4 0.15 AND 4.16.
WALL TRIM ORNAMENTATION, 4.24, 4.2 0.5, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
ACCESSIBILITY AND LIFE SAFETY.
PAINT 5.42 5.5 0.43 5.44, 5.46.
CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.51 5.52.
UH, THE FINDINGS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS APPLICATION OR COA ARE THE APPLICATION IS FOR A NEW THREE STORY INFRASTRUCTURE AND PARKING LOT WITHIN THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIAL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, FORMALLY KNOWN AS GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH A HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLE AND STANDARDS WITH A CONDITION THAT, UM, ADDITIONAL DETAILS BE SUBMITTED TO THE, UM, THE ADMINIS HPC ADMINISTRATOR REGARDING BUILDING LIGHTING, PARKING LOT, LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING ON SITE.
AND THAT ANY CHANGES TO THE DESIGN BE SUBMITTED TO THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT.
SECOND, ALL, ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, PLEASE.
OPPOSED MOTION TO ISSUE A COA.
COA ISSUE WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.
[5.I. 206-208 Metcalf St. – to include the enclosure of the rear porch in the Tertiary AVC and replacement of existing storm windows with new storm windows in all AVCs.]
WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT TO BE CONTINUED.2 0 6 TO 2 0 8 METCALF STREET, EXCUSE ME.
IS ASKED TO BE CONTINUED TO THE SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2025 MEETING, MR. CHAIRMAN TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, CONTINUE THIS, THIS HEARING, UH, FOR, UH, 2 0 6 2 8 METCALF STREET TO THE SEPTEMBER 20, SEPTEMBER 17TH REGULAR MEETING, UH, IN THIS ROOM AT FIVE 30.
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JUSTIFICATION IS, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED IT BE CONTINUED AND WE ALWAYS TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THE APPLICANT'S SECOND MOTION IN SECOND.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A OPPOSED? OKAY.
[6.A. 726 Pollock St. – Demolition by Neglect Presentation and Consideration]
BUSINESS 7 26 DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION.UM, WE REVIEWED THIS BRIEFLY AT OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING AND WE DISCUSSED IT THEN AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, AND WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY THEN TO EACH LOOK AT THE PROJECT, THE PRO THE PROPERTY, AND MAKE OUR OWN ASSESSMENT OF THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY.
SO WITH THAT, MR. SHELLEY, IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE WHAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CONSIDERS THE SITUATION? SURE.
SO ESSENTIALLY THE ISSUE FOR THIS EVENING IS FOR THE HPC TO DETERMINE TWO THINGS.
FIRST IS, UH, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE PROJECT, UH, STILL CONSTITUTES A DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT CASE.
AND SECONDLY THEN IF SO, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, UH, THE PROCESS TO PROCEED, UH, THE PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT PROCESS TO PROCEED TO THE NEXT STEP, WHICH IS TO INVOKE OR TO PETITION THE, UH, UM, CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, TO BEGIN HIS PORTION OF THE PROCESS.
AND, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS.
I HAVE THE, UM, UH, SUMMARY OF THE PROCESS TO DATE OVERALL FOR, UM, FOR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT PROJECTS AND THEN ALSO, UH, THE PROCESS TO DATE, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT.
JUST LET ME VERY BRIEFLY GO THROUGH WHAT STEPS HE'S ALLUDING TO IN ORDER TO GET TO THIS POINT.
I, A COMPLAINT FORM WAS SUBMITTED ON THIS PROPERTY.
A STATUS REPORT OF THE COMPLAINTANT INVESTIGATION WAS MAILED TO THE COMPLAINANT, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS NOTIFIED OF A POTENTIAL VIOLATION.
THE COMPLAINT WAS INVESTIGATED BY THE HPC, UH, AND THERE WAS A BASIS FOR THE COMPLAINT, EXCUSE ME, BY THE ADMINISTRATOR.
THERE WAS A BASIS FOR THE COMPLAINT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS GIVEN 30 DAYS TO RESPOND TO THE DOCUMENTED VIOLATION.
THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS GIVEN HIS PROMISES, BUT FAILED TO COMPLETE THE PROMISES BACK TO MAY OF 2024, I BELIEVE.
UH, AND SO NOW HERE WE ARE TONIGHT, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE FIRST FOUR STEPS.
STEP FIVE IS HPC EVALUATES THE STAFF NOTIFICATION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT FINDINGS FOR A PROPERTY AND DETERMINES WHETHER TO PROCEED WITH FURTHER ACTION.
SO THE, UM, IF I MAY, UH, ADD THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SOME, UM, CLARIFICATION OR ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, EVIDENCE OR INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT, UM, HE SUMMARIZED THE, UH, PRIMARILY THE, THE, UM, ITEMS THAT WERE EXPECTED TO BE, UM, REPAIRED OR MITIGATED.
UM, FIRST WAS INSTALLATION OF THE MISSING WINDOW SILL.
SECOND WAS REPAIRING ROTTED AREAS.
THIRD WAS REPAIRING HOLES IN THE REAR BAY WINDOW.
FOURTH REPAIRING, OR SORRY, REMOVING DETERIORATED PAINT, UH, THEN PRIMING AND PAINTING ALL EXTERIOR WOOD.
AND THEN, UM, PREPPING THE METAL ROOFING AND COVERING IT WITH A METAL ROOFING COATING.
UM, HE'S INDICATED THAT, UM, ITEMS A AND C, EXCUSE ME, MA, WERE THOSE, THOSE THE STEPS THAT WERE OUTLINED THAT, UM, WAS PART OF LIKE THE, THE, THE ACTION PLAN? YES.
SO THOSE, THOSE WERE THE, THOSE WERE THE, THE ITEMS LISTED IN THE ACTION PLAN OF A YEAR AND A HALF AGO? YES, YES, YES, CORRECT.
UM, AND SO, UM, HE'S INDICATED THAT THE FIRST AND THIRD ITEMS, THE INSTALLATION OF THE MISSING WINDOW SILL AND REPAIRING HOLES IN THE REAR BAY WINDOW, UM, HAVE BEEN COMPLETED FOR SOME TIME NOW, HE SAYS.
AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM, REPAIRING ROTTED AREAS HAS BEEN LARGELY COMPLETED TO DATE.
UM, AND, UH, THE REST OF THE SENTENCE IS NOT COMPREHENDIBLE, BUT, UM, SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, ESSENTIALLY EXECUTING ITEMS,
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UH, THE REST OF THE ITEMS AS OUTLINED BELOW.AND I HAVE NOT, SINCE IT WAS SENT TODAY, I WAS, DID NOT HAVE TIME TO READ ANY OF THE REST OF THIS, BUT, UM, THE REST OF THE ITEMS ARE IN PROCESS, SO SOME KIND OR ANOTHER.
UM, SO THE, THOSE FIVE OR SIX THINGS YOU LISTED THAT WERE ON THAT LIST FROM A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WAS THERE A TIMEFRAME ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE OR, OR WAS IT AN OPEN YES.
AT, AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT, UH, WHEN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, IT WAS TIMEFRAME TO BE DONE BY MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
UM, UH, FOR ALL SIX OR ALL FIVE? YES, ALL OF THEM.
SO, UM, THE SEVERAL THAT I MENTIONED HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, UM, BUT THE OTHERS HAVE NOT YET.
DID, DID THE OWNER PROPERTY OWNER COME TO YOU ANYTIME DURING THAT TIMEFRAME AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS KIND, I NEED SOME MORE TIME, OR I'M NOT, OR DID, WOULD, DID THIS KIND OF OCCUR RECENTLY WHEN, WHEN THIS FIRE BACK UP? WELL, SO NOT, NOT QUITE SO LITERALLY.
UM, BUT HE HAD BEEN WORKING WITH US ALL ALONG THE WAY.
UM, AND, UM, AT FIRST, UM, SHORTLY AFTER HE HAD SOME INITIAL, UM, ISSUES.
BUT, UM, MAINTAINED THAT HE WOULD HAVE IT DONE BY MARCH.
UM, BUT THEN LATER ON, AS IT GOT LATER AND CLOSER TO THAT DATE, THEN, UM, IT WAS, UM, ESSENTIALLY EXPLAINING WHY HE, UH, ISN'T GETTING ALL THE THINGS DONE.
SO, AND, AND HE, HE IS HERE THIS EVENING IF YOU DO WANT TO ASK HIM ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THEN AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE IN 2018, IT WAS ON THE SAME LIST AND WE VISITED, UH, AND IDENTIFIED MANY OF THE SAME ISSUES.
CORRECT? WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN 2018.
I WASN'T HERE, BUT THE, BUT THE FILE GOES BACK THAT FAR.
YES, THE FILE DOES GO, GO THAT FAR BACK, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE DETAILS OTHER THAN THE, WELL, I MEAN, ACTUAL DOCUMENTS.
UM, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
SO WE WILL, UH, I GUESS NEED YOU TO VOTE ON EACH OF THOSE TWO ITEMS SEPARATELY.
AND WHAT ARE THOSE TWO ITEMS? I'M SORRY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK IT'S STILL A, UM, DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT CASE, POTENTIAL POTENTIAL, CORRECT.
UM, UH, AND SECONDLY, WELL THEN ONCE YOU, IF YOU DETERMINE THAT, THEN YOU HAVE THE SECOND VOTE, UM, TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO, UM, PETITION, PETITION THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, AND THERE ARE A LIST OF 10 ITEMS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
AND WE LOOKED, UH, YEAH, THAT'S THESE HERE? YEP.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, AS, AS MATT MENTIONED, THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS HERE.
UH, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, UH, SINCE HE IS HERE TO GET ANY COMMENTS.
DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
MY NAME IS JAMES ALEXANDER VIN BERG.
I'M THE OWNER OF 7 26 P*****K STREET.
MR. CHAIRMAN, DOES HE NEED TO BE SWORN? NO, SIR.
THIS, THIS IS AQUA JUDICIAL HEARING.
YOU DON'T NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
HE, WE WERE JUST WONDERING IF YOU, I'M HAPPY TO BE, IF YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
UM, I DO HAVE SOME VISUAL, UH, PRESENTATIONS.
SO MATTHEW, THERE ARE THREE FILES ON, THERE ARE THREE FILES ON HERE, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S THE CORRECT ONE.
UH, THERE'S TWO PDFS AND ONE POWERPOINT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THE ENTIRE, WE'LL, WE'LL ADJUST.
UM, I DO NOT WANT TO WHERE YOUR PATIENTS AT, BUT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS BUILDING.
AS WE'VE NOTED, IT'S, UM, UH, PREVIOUSLY, I THINK TIM BROUGHT THIS UP, LA UH, MR. THOMPSON BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME.
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I BELIEVE, 14 BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOTED IN THE PRO, THE EARLIEST ERA OF SURVIVING BUILDINGS IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION FOR THE, UH, DISTRICT, UM, AGAIN, 7 26 P*****K STREET.SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHOW HERE, AND I MAY NEED MATTHEW'S ASSISTANCE WITH POINTING AT VARIOUS THINGS BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT MAGIC LIGHT THAT YOU HAD WORKED, BUT, UH, WE'LL SEE.
SO THESE ARE SOME DRAWINGS THAT WE KICKED UP VERY QUICKLY, UH, QUITE RECENTLY.
AND, UH, WE'RE NOT SHOWING THE, THE FOOTING TO THE BUILDING, BUT SIMPLY THE WOODEN ELEMENT, SINCE THAT'S WHAT IS OF CONCERN.
UM, AND WE HAVE NOT DELINEATED BOARDS.
IT WAS JUST WANTED YOU TO GET A SENSE OF THE EVOLUTION OF THE BUILDING.
SO THIS IS, UH, FAIRLY MUCH WHAT WE SEE TODAY.
UH, THE WESTIN ELEVATION, WHICH IS BURN STREET, UM, IF WE MOVE TO THE NEXT, UH, IMAGE.
AND SO THE FRONT IS TO THE RIGHT.
SO, UH, SOUTH IS TO THE, RIGHT NOW WE'VE COME AROUND, WE'RE AT THE EAST ELEVATION.
UH, SO IT'S A VERY SMALL SPACE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS AT THIS POINT.
AND IF I'M TOO CLOSE TO THIS, IT SOUNDS LIKE I MIGHT BE YEAH, YOU'RE A PROBLEM.
UM, SO IN THIS CASE, SOUTH, UH, AND P*****K STREET ARE OFF TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
ALRIGHT, UM, IF WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE, THIS IS GONNA BE A BIT OF A SURPRISE TO EVERY, OH, EXCUSE ME.
THE DOTTED LINES REPRESENT THE, UH, CIRCA 1930, UM, SMALL COLONIAL REVIVAL PORTICO.
THE NEXT ONE MAY BE A SURPRISE.
THIS IS AN APPROXIMATION OF THE ORIGINAL APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS BASED ON WHAT WE CALL BUILDING ARCHEOLOGY EVIDENCE.
UH, THIS PORTIONS OF THE SIDING WERE OFTEN IN 2009.
UH, AND AT THE SECOND STORY LEVEL, APPROXIMATELY WHERE THAT PORCH, WHERE THAT PORCH, UH, FLOOR LEVEL IS, THERE ARE A SERIES OF JOIST POCKETS IN THE SILL FOR THE SECOND LEVEL, UH, DUE TO VARIOUS NAIL PLACEMENTS AND, AND, UH, DOOR THRESHOLD UP THERE.
IT'S EVIDENT THAT THAT WAS THERE FROM THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING.
UH, TELL US, IS THIS, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE FRONT FACADE, CORRECT? THIS IS THE SEVEN 20, THIS IS THE P*****K STREET FACADE, UM, AT ITS APPROXIMATE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION.
I, I GUESS I, I'D RATHER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSE AS IT STANDS TODAY.
UM, AND, AND THE CONDITION IT'S IN ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S WHAT ABSOLUTELY WHAT THIS HEARING IS ABOUT.
SO, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING BACK TO HOW IT LOOKED BACK THEN.
I, I, I WOULD ASK THAT AT THE INFORMAL DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, UH, YOU PERSONALLY SAID, LET'S SAVE THIS FOR THE HEARING.
NO, WE HAVE TO DO IT AT THE HEARING.
WE CAN'T DO IT AT DESIGN REVIEW, BUT, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE ABOUT THE CONDITION OF, ALRIGHT.
CAN WE SKIP FORWARD A FEW? WOULD THAT BE ALL RIGHT? YES.
HOW FAR DO YOU WANT TO GO? UH, JUST GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE DRAWINGS THAT ARE NOT OF INTEREST AND WE'LL GET TO THE PLACE WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
UH, WE CAN PAUSE HERE JUST FOR A MOMENT.
I DO WANT TO JUST TURN TO THE MATERIAL.
THIS IS LATEX PAINT, WHICH IS APPLIED TO A HISTORIC BUILDING HERE IN TOWN TWO YEARS AGO.
WE CAN KEEP MOVING AND I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS AS VERY BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT THE PORCH IS NOT INTERESTING, BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE FOCUS OF, OF THIS SURE.
DISCUSSION I UNDERSTAND IMMEDIATELY RELEVANT.
UM, SO HERE WE ARE AT 7 26 P*****K STREET.
THESE WERE TAKEN ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.
UM, THE CONDITIONS EXTERIOR, UH, THIS IS THE P*****K STREET FRONT.
IF WE COULD JUST PAUSE HERE FOR A MOMENT.
I WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE REPAIRS THAT WERE EXECUTED, BUT THESE ARE BACK IN MAY.
UH, THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN MORE RECENTLY THAN THAT.
THIS IS USING THE, UH, AVATRON MATERIAL, WHICH I, UM, SHARED SOME FRAGMENTS OF FOR YOU ALL.
UM, SO THESE HAVE NOT BEEN SANDED.
IT IS BEST TO WAIT TILL THE FINAL SANDING, UH, FOR THE FINAL SANDING UNTIL THE PAINT IS OCCURRING.
SO WE WILL TURN TO THE PAINT OCCURRING IN JUST A MOMENT.
UH, THESE ARE JUST A FEW MORE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MOVING THROUGH THESE.
UM, THESE ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF OTHER PLACES WHERE THE AVATRON HAS BEEN APPLIED.
UM, AND, UH, I WISH IT DIDN'T HAVE SUCH A SILLY
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NAME, BUT IT DOES.SO, UH, THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL, LET'S CALL IT.
UM, SO THIS ENABLES, INSTEAD OF AN, AN ENTIRE HISTORIC BOARD HAVING TO BE, UH, DISCARDED, YOU'RE ABLE TO, TO SAVE THAT HISTORIC MATERIAL.
AND AGAIN, THESE HAVE NOT BEEN SANDED DOWN.
UM, I'LL MOVE THROUGH THESE VERY QUICKLY.
UH, LATEX PAINT IS ESSENTIALLY A PLASTIC COATING.
THESE ARE LOGS IN A VERY DRY ENVIRONMENT IN THE WEST.
THIS WAS COMPOSED FOR THE ASSOCIATION FOR PRESERVATION TECHNOLOGY INTERNATIONAL BULLETIN.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THIS KNIFE HAS BEEN PLUNGED RIGHT INTO THE MIDDLE.
LOGS HAVE BEEN PAINTED CONTINUOUSLY WITH LATEX, UM, MUCH DRIER ENVIRONMENT THAN WHERE WE ARE NOW.
HERE FROM LEFT TO RIGHT VERY QUICKLY, OUR LENSE OIL PENETRATING WELL INTO WOOD.
UH, THE MIDDLE SECTION IS, UH, THAT'S PURIFIED.
LEN SEED OIL IN THE CENTER IS BOILED LEN SEED OIL WITH A BIT OF PIGMENT.
AND THEN ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE RIGHT IS LATEX PAINT, WHICH SITS DIRECTLY ON THE TOP, AND AGAIN, IS ESSENTIALLY A PLASTIC BAG COATING.
UH, IF WE COULD GO A LITTLE FURTHER, UH, THIS IS JUST A, A VERY BRIEF DISCUSSION OF THE MOLECULAR SIZE OF THESE VARIOUS VEHICLES FOR PAINT, UH, ACRYLIC AND LATEX AT THE BOTTOM IS LIKE, UH, AGAIN, A SHEET THAT DOES NOT ALLOW ESCAPE OF WATER VAPOR AT THE VERY TOP, VERY SMALL, UH, MOLECULAR SIZE.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU ARGUING WE SHOULDN'T PAINT THE HOUSES? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING TO? ARE YOU ARGUING WE SHOULD NOT PAINT OUR HOUSES? NO, NOT AT ALL.
WELL, I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE GOING HERE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CONDITION OF YOUR HOUSE AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO ABOUT, IF WE COULD PROCEED TO THE NEXT ONE, WE'LL BE RIGHT WHERE HE NEEDS US TO BE.
UH, EXCUSE ME ONE FURTHER, I THINK, YEAH.
SO MATT, THIS IS THE LETTER THAT I WROTE TO YOU EARLIER TODAY, AND I'M SORRY ABOUT THE TIMING AND THAT YOU AND I COULDN'T COORDINATE, UH, ON THAT.
AND UM, SO I DID JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, UH, THE ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED, UM, THOSE HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
THOSE A AND C HAVE BEEN COMPLETED FOR SOME TIME NOW.
ITEM B HAS BEEN LARGELY COMPLETED.
ADDITIONAL IS, UH, OCCURRING DURING THE EXECUTION OF ITEMS D, E AND F AS OUTLINED BELOW.
SO THE ROOF PAINTER WAS RECENTLY ABLE TO BE ON SITE AT 7 26 P*****K STREET.
HE HAS ALLOCATED TIME AND HIS SCHEDULE AND IS PLANNING TO BE ON SITE TO BEGIN PREPARATION, FOLLOWED BY PAINTING OF THE ROOF APPROXIMATELY SIX WEEKS FROM NOW.
PAINTING TODAY, WHICH IS HIS MOST IMMEDIATE AVAILABILITY.
REMOVABLE SCRAPING OF LOOSE PAINT FROM EXTERIOR WOOD WEATHER BOARDS WAS BEGUN THIS PAST WEEK BY PERSONNEL WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING AT NOTABLE HISTORICAL HISTORIC BUILDINGS OF S ASIAN MATERIAL.
THEY WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH ME OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS TO REMOVE LOOSE PAINT FROM THE BUILDING IN PREPARATION FOR PAINTING, AND THEN THEY WILL PAINT.
WE ARE STILL, AS HAS BEEN EXPRESSED, HOPING TO UTILIZE TRADITIONAL LINSEED OIL PAINT, SORRY ABOUT THE P BEING SO STRONG,
IF THE COMMISSION DESIRES THAT THE HIGH QUALITY OF ONE SEED OIL PAINT BE SUBSTITUTED BY OTHER MATERIAL FOR QUICKER COVERAGE AND COMPLETION, UH, LET ME KNOW AND I'LL CONSULT WITH THE TEAM INVOLVED.
AND IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
UM, VARIOUS SMALL WOOD REPAIRS, WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE UNDERTAKEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH PAINTING, INCLUDING CONSOLIDATION AND REPAIR WITH THE AVATRON.
THIS HAS BEEN CARRIED UP TO DATE.
AND WITH INSET WOOD WHEN APPROPRIATE, HOW DOES THAT AVATRON WORK? UM, WITH LYNN OIL? SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT IT DOESN'T, THE, THE, THE MANUFACTURER.
BUT I'VE SPOKEN WITH, UM, THE, UH, SEVERAL IN CEDAR OIL PAINT COMPANIES AND THEY SAID NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER.
SO, I MEAN, IF WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS NOT AN ISSUE, WE COULD DO A, A QUICK COVERING.
I JUST CURIOUS, IMMEDIATELY OVER THE PAST, CURIOUS, YOU SEEM TO HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THOSE THAT YES.
I, I DON'T, AND I, I'VE HAD I HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
ONE OF THE PAINTERS, UM, THIS WEEK PAINTED, UH, TWO PIECES OF AVATRON NOT ON THE BUILDING, BUT JUST LITTLE CHUNKS, LIKE IN FACT, ONE OF THE ONES THAT I GAVE YOU ALL.
UM, SO HE'S GONNA WAIT A FEW DAYS AND SEE WHAT HE SEES.
UH, BUT THE EASIEST THING, IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTION ABOUT THAT, IS WE WOULD PAINT OVER THAT WITH A LATEX OR, UM, ALCOTT AND THEN GO ON TO THE, THE LATER COATS.
OTHERWISE, UM, ADDITIONALLY, FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE CONCERNED ABOUT LANDSCAPE AND VEGETATION, UH, GARDNER HAS BEEN RETAINED.
SHE WILL BE WORKING THERE FROM NOW ON.
I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO DO IT ANYMORE.
SO, SO THIS, THIS IS YOUR PLAN.
I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS, IF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WERE INVOLVED, HE WOULD DO NO MORE THAN REVIEW YOUR STEPS, BUT ALSO GIVE US SOME GOOD INFORMATION ON THE ACTUAL STATUS OF THE BUILDING, WHAT CONDITION IT REALLY
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IS IN.AND I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE THAT DECISION WITHOUT HIS INPUT.
SO, UM, THE NEXT STEP IS SIMPLY IF WE FILED A PETITION WITH THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE PROPERTY IS ADDED TO THE LIST, WE INITIATE A FOLDER AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR PERFORMS A FORMAL INSPECTION OF THE PROPERTY BASED ON THE DBN PETITION.
FINDINGS ARE REPORTED TO THE HPC AND ADDED TO THE FOLDER.
ANY CRITICAL REPAIRS NEEDED SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED.
SO I, I DON'T SEE WHERE WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF NEED TO NOT PROCEED WITH THAT STEP, GIVEN THAT WE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THAT BUILDING.
I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE BUILDING.
AS YOU SAID, IT'S, IT'S A PRIMARY BUILDING, SIR.
THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS IN THAT BUILDING OTHER THAN IT NEEDS PAINT.
WE CAN'T JUDGE THAT FROM THE BACK.
THE EXTERIOR PICTURES ARE NOT GOOD.
THE, MY VISUAL, ME LOOKING AT THEM ARE NOT GOOD WHEN I DRIVE BY THE BUILDING.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT NEEDS PAINTING.
YOU HAD MISSING SIDING, YOU HAD LADDERS PREPPED UP, HOLDINGS HIVE PAPER OVER MISSING SIDING.
SO NO, THE, THE, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A DISCUSSION HERE? WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION YOUR POINT ASIDE, JUST GIVEN THE, I I APPLAUD YOU FOR COMING HERE, AT LEAST WITH SOME KIND OF PLAN.
BECAUSE EVIDENTLY WE, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A PLAN TO, TO MAKE PROGRESS.
UM, I APPLAUD YOU FOR WANTING TO USE LYNNE OIL PAINT.
I I DON'T THINK WE AS A BOARD CARE OF WHAT KIND OF PAINT YOU USE.
I MEAN, THAT'S PURIST, THAT'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT ALL.
AND IF WE WANNA THROW THAT OUT, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO BE HAPPY.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK YOU HAVE SOME REAL GOOD INTENT.
WE, WE'VE, YOU MENTIONED SOME TIMELINES THAT ARE KIND OF STRETCHED OUT.
BUT I THINK IT WILL ALSO BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR LET YOU MANAGE THOSE TIMELINES GOING FORWARD AND HELP YOU, UM, DETAIL YOUR PLAN BASED ON WHEN YOUR LABOR'S AVAILABLE AND, AND HOW YOU WANT TO APPROACH THINGS.
AND SO I THINK IT COULD BE BENEFICIAL THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THAT WAY, UM, WE, WE WOULD HAVE, UH, MORE INFORMATION IN TERMS OF GOING FORWARD, UH, AND YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW YOU FORESEE THIS COMING TOGETHER.
FIRST, SO, SO, BUT OH, I'M SO SORRY.
ALSO, I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURTESY LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN YOU INVITED ME TO THE TABLE.
UH, SO I THINK WHAT I'VE OUTLINED HERE AS FAR AS THE SCHEDULE, IF WE CALL IT THAT, IS, I HAVE NOT ADDED IT ALL UP, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING DONE BY AT SOME POINT IN NOVEMBER.
NOW, I CANNOT CONTROL MR. LUPINS.
I I SCHEDULE AND THE WEATHER KINDA END THE BUSINESS.
UM, I UNDERSTAND ALSO THAT, UH, TRADE WORK FOR HISTORIC BUILDINGS IST EXACTLY.
SOMETHING YOU CAN GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND BUY RIGHT OFF THE SHELF.
UM, BUT, BUT, BUT I THINK THE ONE THING YOU PLAN DOES LACK ARE SOME SPECIFIC MILESTONES.
AND THAT NOVEMBER DATE MAY MOVE AROUND.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD WORK WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TO DETERMINE HOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, AND THEN THAT COULD JUST BE REPORTED BACK TO US.
AND, AND SO IN A WAY, ALTHOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE A NEGATIVE THING, I THINK IT'S A POSITIVE THING IF, IF WE MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER AS A TEAM AND, AND KIND OF WORK TO TACKLE THE PROBLEM.
'CAUSE THE, THE BIGGER PICTURE IS ONCE YOU COMPLETE THE FIVE OR SIX THINGS, YOU'RE OUTTA HERE.
YOU, YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE NO LONGER, AND, AND THERE ARE ONLY PROBABLE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
THERE ARE ONLY TWO OF THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE LACKING.
AND THAT'S PAINT THE SIDES AND PAINT THE TOP.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT.
WHEN YOU WERE ASKING FOR DISCUSSION.
THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WILL WORK WITH YOU, NOT AGAINST YOU.
SO I MEAN, REALLY JUST SIT, THOSE, THOSE ISSUES YOU'RE RAISING, HE WILL BE MORE ADEPT AT UNDERSTANDING THEM AND DEALING WITH THEM AND GIVING YOU ALTERNATIVES THAN WE ARE AS A GROUP.
MR. CHAIR, IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING HELPFUL, I THINK THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS ADMITTED THIS EVENING THAT THERE'S STILL WORK YET TO BE DONE TO REMEDY SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE OF CONCERN THAT HAVE BEEN HIGHLIGHTED AND COMMUNICATED OVER THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS, MONTHS, YEARS.
UM, SO I, I THINK THIS MAY BE A GOOD POINT IN LIGHT OF THAT COMMENT FOR
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YOU ALL TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS POTENTIALLY UNDERGOING, UH, DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.AND, AND, AND I GUESS I WAS GONNA ECHO A SIMILAR THOUGHT, AND THAT IS, I THINK WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN.
I THINK EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, BUT THAT TIMEFRAME SEEMS TO, SEEMS TO TRAVEL A LITTLE BIT ON GETTING SOME OF THESE THINGS DONE.
AND, AND I THINK PERHAPS INVOLVING THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND, AND KIND OF NAILING THAT SCHEDULE DOWN AND HAVING HIM REPORT, I, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BEN BENEFIT BOTH OF US.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT WHAT YOU SAID COUNSELOR, BUT IT'S ALONG THE SAME LINES.
WE HAD TWO DECISIONS TO MAKE, AND I THINK THE FIRST WAS DO THE REPAIRS NEED TO BE MADE? DIDN'T SAY THAT QUITE RIGHT.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE PROPER TERMINOLOGY WE WANT TO USE HERE? I THINK IF THE TERMINATION IS, IS WHETHER OR NOT THE POTENTIAL FOR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT EXISTS.
SO WE LIST SPECIFIC THE HBC FILES, A PETITION WITH BUILDING INSPECTOR LIST LISTS, SPECIFIC DEFECTS, AND THE PROPERTY IS ADDED.
SO I MOVE THAT WE FIND THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT EXISTS WITH THE SPECIFIC DE DEFECTS LISTED BY ADMINISTRATOR IN THE FILE.
PRIMARILY THE, THE COMPLETION OF WOOD REPAIRS AND PAINTING AND PERHAPS SOME OTHER ITEMS. I'LL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.
AND JUST FOR CLARITY, MR. YER ARE THE, THE OTHER ITEMS ARE YOU, THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING, ARE THOSE THE ITEMS THAT ARE ENUMERATED IN THE JULY 16TH, 2025 EMAIL ON THE SCREEN? UH, THEY WOULD BE.
SO ANY DISCUSSIONS OF MOTION? WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.
I WANT TO, I WANT TO SEE, MATT, WHERE IS, WHERE IS YOUR LIST AND DETERMINATION? I'M SORRY, THE, THOSE ITEMS WERE MATT'S YEAH, THOSE WERE LIFTED DIRECTLY FROM MATT'S EMAIL.
SO MR, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERENCING FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, THE AUGUST 20TH, 2025 EMAIL THAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
AND THE OTHER ITEMS YOU REFERENCE ARE ENUMERATED AS A THROUGH F.
UH, THEY, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IN YOUR MOTION? AND NOW THAT I HAVE THAT LIST IN FRONT OF ME, I WAS REFERENCING A, UH, INSTALLATION OF A MISSING WINDOWSILL OR SILLS, UH, REPAIR OF ROTTED AREAS, REPAIR OF HOLES IN OR NEAR THE BAY, WINDOW REMOVAL, DETERIORATED PAINT PRIMING AND PAINTING OF EXTERIOR WOOD AND THE, UM, UH, PREPPING AND COATING OF THE, UH, METAL ROOF.
AND WAS THAT THE, THE MOTION THAT YOU WERE SECONDING MR. WIKA? YES.
SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, SO, SO A NUMBER OF THESE, SO THESE, IT, WHAT I'M SEEING IS BEYOND THE PAINTING AND, UH, PREPPING, PUTTING A, A PROPER COVER ON THE ROOF, COATING ON THE ROOF.
THE, THE, IF YOU WANT ME TO READ THE DETERIORATION OF EXTERIOR WALLS, FOUNDATIONS, OR OTHER VERTICAL SUPPORT CAUSE OF LEANING OR SETTING RIGHT.
SO TO MAKE THE CREATION OF ANY HAZARDOUS OR UNSAFE CONDITION TO LIGHT, PA, PA, LIGHT HEALTH OR PROPERTY, OTHER PROPERTY DETERIORATION OR CRUMBLING OF EXTERIOR PLASTERS OR MORTARS, INEFFECTIVE WEATHERPROOFING, ARE ALL THE CONDITIONS IN DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
WHEN IS THIS COMMUNICATION FROM THESE, THESE ENUMERATED POINTS? THESE ARE FROM WHAT? THAT'S, THAT'S THE ORDINANCE.
SO THAT'S JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, THOSE AREN'T NECESSARILY AN APPLICATION TO MY BUILDING.
NO, NO, THAT'S, THANK GOD
SO THERE'S A MOTION, A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
LET'S CALL FOR THE VOTE SECOND.
SHOULD WE DO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YOU, THE CHAIR? YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL START WITH MOLLY.
HOW DO YOU VOTE ON THE MOTION? I GO WITH THE GROUP, I SAY TO BE, YES OR LET'S MOVE, LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR.
WELL, THIS IS ABOUT, THIS IS THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S POTENTIAL FOR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT BASED ON THE, THE VARIOUS ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED ON THE PREVIOUS SCREEN.
WELL, I, I, I SIT ON THE FENCE ON THAT, BUT I'LL
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SAY I AGREE.SO THEN THE SECOND VOTE WOULD BE, UM, WHETHER OR NOT TO PETITION THE, UM, CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AS IT'S WRITTEN IN YOUR, IN THE PROCESS THERE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THIS PARAGRAPH HERE, IS IT STEP SIX, YOU MAY FILE A PETITION LISTING SPECIFIC DEFECTS WITH THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR REQUESTING THAT HE ACT UNDER THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURES TO REQUIRE THE CORRECTION OF DETERIORATION OR MAKING OF REPAIRS.
IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE MM-HMM
SO IS THERE A MOTION OF THAT EFFECT THAT THE HVC FILES A PETITION OF THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE LIST, THE, THE SPECIFIC DEFECTS SECTION 4 15, 429 UBER AND ORDINANCE PROPERTIES ADDED TO THE DBM LIST AND THE ADMINISTRATOR INITIATES A FILE FOLDER FOR DOCUMENTING ACTIVITIES RELATED TO THE DBM FOR THE PROPERTY.
IS THERE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT MOVE THAT WE PETITION THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? LET'S DO A ROLL CALL AGAIN, PLEASE.
CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION? UH, WE, WE'VE TYPICALLY TO GET TO PETITIONING THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE NEVER, WELL LEMME SAY WE HAVEN'T USED THAT IN A, IN A PUNITIVE WAY.
UM, WE'VE ALWAYS, IF, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS, IS TYPICALLY MAKING SOME PROGRESS, UH, WE TYPICALLY DON'T GO DOWN THAT PATH.
WE USED IT WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT RESPONSIVE AND NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING.
I COULD, UH, I COULD NAME A COUPLE PROPERTIES WHERE THAT HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED WHERE WE GOT NOTHING WELL FROM THE OWNER
SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ALEC IS, IS MAKING SOME PROGRESS, UH, NOT AS, NOT AS FAST AS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UH, HE AND MATT HAD HAD TALKED ABOUT.
UH, SO MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO GIVE ALEC, YOU KNOW, A CHANCE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, WITH THE ROOF AND WITH THE PAINTING, THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE NEXT WEEK, NOT NECESSARILY NEXT MONTH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME, SOME PROGRESS WITH THIS OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
WHY DON'T WE JUST VOTE ON IT? WELL, I, I'M JUST ASKING THAT QUESTION FOR DISCUSSION AND I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT'S A FAIR ASSESSMENT.
BUT HERE'S THE THING I'M KIND OF WRESTLING WITH IS ABSENT THAT BUILDING OFFICIAL KIND OF KEEPING ON SCHEDULE, WE SEE, AND, AND I, I THINK THE WORK YOU'RE DOING IS GRAND AND I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOUR YOUR YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS ON IT.
BUT THE TIMELINESS IS, IS STARTING TO SLIDE.
IF WE JUST SAY, OKAY, WELL LET'S GO THREE MORE MONTHS, OR LET'S GO SIX MONTHS, OR WHATEVER THAT IS, ARE WE GONNA BE IN THE SAME BOAT IN THREE OR SIX MONTHS? YOU WILL NOT, I THINK BY, PERHAPS BY INCLUDING THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, THAT MIGHT PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE TEETH IN THE SCHEDULES THAT, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
PERHAPS WITHOUT FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WHAT DO YOU, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT COMMISSIONER? I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION BASED ON WHAT WAY I I HEAR YOU GOTTEN TO THIS POINT.
UM, AND, AND I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, UNUSUAL.
LIKE YOU SAID, SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING AND IT'S KIND OF A NO BRAINER TO INCLUDE, BUT WE, WE DO HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS MAKING SOME PROGRESS, ALBEIT VERY SLOWLY.
AND I THINK THE CONCERN IS THAT PROGRESS HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR
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MULTIPLE YEARS AND EVEN THOUGH THERE'S APPEARS TO BE SOME WORK GOING ON NOW IS IS AT, AT WHAT POINT DO YOU TRY TO PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMALITY BY CALLING THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IN? WELL, I SEE IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.I, I THINK THAT THERE'S NOTHING PUNITIVE ABOUT BRINGING THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IN.
AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A LOT SIMPLER FOR EL TO WORK WITH ONE MAN THAN TO HAVE TO WORK WITH THIS WHOLE COMMISSION.
AND I THINK IT, I THINK NO MATTER WHO THAT PERSON THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE, MIGHT, MIGHT SIMPLIFY THE, HOPEFULLY MOVING FORWARD IF, IF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR 1 0 1 INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH ALL OF US AND WE DON'T HAVE A STRUCTURE TO EVALUATE EACH STEP.
AND, AND IF IT'S HELPFUL, MR. CHAIR, THE, THE PROCESS WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IS A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.
SO IF ONCE THE, IF, IF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR RECEIVES A PETITION FROM THE HPC, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WILL CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION.
THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WILL SEND NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND INVITE THE PROPERTY OWNER AND ANY OF THEIR AGENTS IN TO HAVE A CONVERSATION TO UNPACK THE ISSUES AND TO DEVELOP A PLAN TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY GOING FORWARD.
AS, AS I THINK MR. UM, VICE CHAIR AND MR. PARSONS HAVE ALLUDED TO, THE PROCESS IS A BIT MORE FORMAL BECAUSE THERE ARE DOCUMENTED STEPS, DOCUMENTED EXPECTATIONS, UM, AND REMEDIES IN PLACE IF EVERYONE DOESN'T ABIDE BY THE RULES.
BUT IT DOES GIVE A CENTRALIZED POINT OF CONTACT TO EVALUATE ALL THE ISSUES THAT MAY BE IN PLAY AND DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT I THINK EVERYONE IS TRYING TO, TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
AND, AND HE'S THERE TO HELP YOU WITH THIS.
I JUST WANT TO THANK MR. YOR FOR HAVING MENTIONED THE LAST WEEK AND PERHAPS IT'S AN APPROPRIATE TIME OR INAPPROPRIATE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS ANYMORE.
UM,
I THINK HE MEANT TO ME, BUT MAYBE MEANT TO THE CITY AS WELL.
AND I HOPE I HAVEN'T MISQUOTED YOU, BUT I HAVE APPRECIATE YOUR HAVING SAID THAT 'CAUSE THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION.
SO MOTION ON FOR SECONDED ALL THOSE.
CAN WE GO OVER THE MOTION AGAIN? IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING.
UM, TO PETITION THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR? YEP.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STEP SIX, MOVING IN A CONSTRUCTIVE WAY AS OPPOSED TO PUNITIVE.
THANK UM, WILL THIS, THE SPECIFIC DEFECTS AND I SECOND THE MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? UH, A A WE DO.
WHO WAS THE SECOND, BY THE WAY? I WAS SECOND GREGORY GREG.
I HEARD IT COME FROM OVER THERE.
I, I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH US.
UM, WHAT IS MY NEXT STEP? WELL, I'D SEE MATT, HE COULD PROBABLY ADVISE YOU.
[8.A. Additions to the Minor Works List]
MOVING ON WITH NEW BUSINESS.ACCORDING TO MR. SHELLEY, WE DO NOT HAVE NEW BUSINESS TONIGHT.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, WE, UH, ONE SECOND PLEASE.
I KNOW MOST OF YOU I SEE A COUPLE OF NEW FACES.
I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.
I AM THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH MATT EVERY DAY AND MATT AND I HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH A LOT OF OUR HPC PROCESSES AND HOW WE'RE DOING THINGS AND COMPARING THEM TO HOW THEY'RE DONE IN OTHER PLACES AND LOOKING FOR WAYS THAT WE CAN MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS REALLY SURFACED LATELY IS THAT, UM, HAVING NOT HAVING A HARD DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSIONS TO THE DESIGN REVIEW IS CAUSING A LOT OF ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN ON HIM.
AND SO HIM AND I HAVE BEEN PUTTING OUR HEADS TOGETHER ALONG WITH OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, ROBERT GOFF, AND TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO REMEDY THAT.
SO, UH, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, MAYBE EVEN SOONER, WE'RE GONNA BE INITIATING A HARD DEADLINE FOR CASES THAT ARE GOING ON YOUR DESIGN REVIEW SO THEY CAN BE PROPERLY PACKAGED.
AND WE'RE STILL KIND OF LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT BALANCE TO BEING ACCOMMODATING
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TO THE PUBLIC.SO IT MAY BE THAT WE'RE CHANGING THE WAYS THE AGENDA LOOKS, A LITTLE BIT OF THINGS THAT HAVE COME IN ON TIME AND ARE COMPLETE THE WAY THAT WE OPERATE WITH OTHER BOARDS.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY TAKE YOUR APPLICATION TO SEND IT TO OUR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE UNTIL IT CHECKS ALL OF THE BOXES.
AND THEN ALSO STILL MAINTAINING THE ABILITY TO, TO KIND OF HAVE YOUR WALK-INS AND QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSIONS, BUT SEPARATING THOSE, NOT TO MAKE THAT SO BURDENSOME ON OUR STAFF.
THE NEXT THING WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN I GOT HERE, WE REIMAGINED ALL OF OUR PROCESSES AND CREATED A CENTRALIZED SUBMITTAL DATE AND THEN A CALENDAR FOR THE WHOLE YEAR OF HOW THINGS TRACK THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
AND IN, IN THE CASE OF THE HPC, WHEN WE HAVE THESE ITEMS THAT COME TO DESIGN REVIEW AND ARE MOVING TO THE NEXT MEETING, THEY DO IT SO, SO MUCH FASTER THAN ANY OF OUR OTHER BOARDS THAT WE WORK WITH.
AND WE WORK WITH SIX BOARDS IN MY DEPARTMENT.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT, FOR THE NEXT CALENDAR YEAR, SETTING UP A A TIMELINE THAT GIVES HIM A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, CONTROL OVER HOW TO MOVE THINGS THROUGH THE PROCESS.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IN ORDER, UM, FOR THINGS TO TRACK THROUGH, ONCE THEY GET THROUGH THAT DESIGN REVIEW, THE WAY THE CALENDAR IS SET UP, STAFF ONLY HAS TWO DAYS.
AND BY STAFF, I MEAN ONE PERSON RIGHT NOW TO FLIP ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, MAKE SURE THEY'RE PROPERLY NOTICED, SEND OUT THE LETTERS, MAKE SURE THE SIGN GOES UP, GET ADS IN THE NEWSPAPER, AND THEN START ON ALL OF THOSE REPORTS.
AND THAT IS JUST, ALTHOUGH IT'S HISTORICALLY BEEN DONE THAT, THAT WAY, NOT A REALISTIC TIMELINE WITH THE VOLUME OF CASES THAT YOU ALL LOOK AT.
THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS, UM, SEVERAL OF YOU GOT AN EMAIL FROM ME TODAY.
I'LL BE ATTENDING THE NEXT DESIGN REVIEW MEETING AND KIND OF LEADING A DISCUSSION AND GETTING OUR IDEAS TOGETHER ON THE BEST WAY TO GO THROUGH OUR STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES UPDATE.
UM, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING EVERYTHING GOING ON.
I KNOW A LOT OF WORK HAS BEEN DONE AND KIND OF HAVE MORE OF A FORMALIZED CONVERSATION TO MAKE US A PLAN OR INITIATE A CONVERSATION ON MAKING A PLAN ON THE BEST WAY FOR US TO DO THAT, FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.
SO, UM, YOU WILL BE SEEING ME IN A COUPLE WEEKS AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, MATT? I DIDN'T MEAN TO STEAL ALL YOUR THUNDER.
OTHER THAN, UH, UM, THANK YOU.
[8.B. Adoption of deadlines for applications]
ADOPTION OF THE DEADLINES.I GUESS YOU WANTED TO ALSO MENTION THAT, UH, THAT ISN'T REALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO DO IS NOT ADOPT 'EM.
SO IT'S MORE LIKE THIS WAS A REPORT ABOUT I APPRECIATE YOU COMING, APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO IN THE MEETING.
AND, UH, MR. CHAIR, GLAD TO SEE YOU HERE, MR. CHAIR.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT DESIGN REVIEW.
UM, YES SIR, BECAUSE THAT'S, IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE.
'CAUSE WORK GROUPS WAS HOW WE DID THINGS AND SO THAT NOW WE HAVE TO FIND A NEW WAY TO GO FORWARD.
MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANT, I I, I AGREE THAT HAVING SOME KIND OF A HARD DEADLINE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AS, AS WE TALKED A NUMBER OF TIMES, GETTING DOCUMENTS THE DAY OF DOESN'T GIVE A LOT OF TIME FOR REVIEW OR ANYTHING.
SO I THINK HAVING A HARD DEADLINE IS, IS GREAT, ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN MAINTAIN THE WALK-INS.
IF WE CAN MAINTAIN THE WALK-INS.
AND SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT BUCKETS, IF YOU WILL.
ONE, WHICH IS WE'RE READY TO GO.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE APPLICATION.
THE OTHER ONE IS REALLY MORE QUESTIONS, THOUGHTS, KIND OF, WHICH WE DO ANYWAY.
UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE, THE IDEA OF HAVING A, A LIKE A LONGER TIME PERIOD BETWEEN HAVING DESIGN REVIEW BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ONE REGULAR MEETING A MONTH.
THAT MEANS IF YOU GO DESIGN REVIEW AND EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT SIX WEEKS TO, TO GET A HEARING.
AND, AND WHILE THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A BIG, YOU KNOW, FOR LIKE SOME OF THESE 2 26 FRONT WHERE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A BIG PROJECT, WHATEVER, BUT SOMEONE WHO'S TRYING TO DO SOME LANDSCAPING GARDEN WALL, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A, LIKE A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
AND I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT I'D LIKE, AS WE THINK ABOUT IT, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
IT MAY BE AS SIMPLE AS SHIFTING A MEETING DAY TO WEEK AND NOT REALLY CREATE TOO MUCH EXTRA THINGS.
WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT.
I I, THAT WAS DEFINITELY A CONCERN OF MATT'S TOO.
OH, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT ANSWER TO THAT.
UM, IT'S THE FIRST PART I TALKED ABOUT OF SETTING A HARD DEADLINE FOR DESIGN REVIEW.
THAT'S VERY EASY FOR US TO INITIATE.
WE KNOW THERE'S OTHER MOVING PIECES WHEN WE START MOVING AROUND DEADLINES AND THINGS, BUT THAT TWO DAY TURNAROUND TIME
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IS JUST TOO TIGHT.SO WE'RE, AND IT MAY RESULT MAYBE IN AN EXTRA WEEK, I'M HOPEFUL NOT MUCH MORE THAN THAT, BUT WE'VE GOTTA DO SOME ADJUSTING BECAUSE DURING THOSE TWO DAYS, REALLY NO OTHER WORK GETS DONE OUT OF THE HPC STUFF.
THE COAS ARE NOT GETTING ISSUED CALLS ARE NOT ALWAYS BEING RETURNED BECAUSE IT'S VERY CONSUMING TO TURN THAT AROUND IN TWO DAYS.
SO WE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT WAYS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE HIM A LITTLE BIT OF BREAK IN THAT HIGH, HIGH STRESS TWO DAYS OF HAVING TO GET ALL OF THOSE THINGS PROPERLY NOTICED.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THE IDEA, IF THE SOLUTION ONE SIZE FITS ALL JUST MOVE EVERYTHING OUT A MONTH.
I THINK THAT'S A, THERE MAY BE SOME MORE CREATIVE THINGS TO DO AND I REALLY DON'T MIND GIVING MATT A LOT MORE WORK.
YEAH, WE, WE, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT MOVING IT A MONTH, BUT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR AND HOW WE SLIDE THINGS AND SOME OTHER, OTHER BOARDS AND PROJECTS THAT GO THROUGH THE DRC AND TRACK TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR TRACK TO THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD AND THEN TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
UM, THOSE ARE STRETCHED OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE SO MANY MORE SETS OF EYES GO ON THOSE PLANS AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
THERE'S SO MANY AGENCIES THAT COMMENT, BUT IT DOES TRACK VERY SIMILARLY AND THERE ARE WAYS TO ADJUST SOME DATES TO, TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT NOT, NOT TRYING TO GIVE SLOWER SERVICE, JUST TRYING TO ADD SOME EFFICIENCY IN AND MAKE SURE IF SOME OTHER FIRE COMES UP THAT MATT STILL ABLE TO DEAL WITH IT, UM, AND, AND NOT BE BREAKING STATE LAWS ON NOT GETTING LETTERS STAMPED ON THE, ON THE EXACT DATE THEY NEED TO GO TO.
SO YEAH, AND THE OTHER THING BUT GREAT COMMENTS.
SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS, I'M SORRY MR. CHAIR, YOU KEEP TALKING.
UM, IS THAT, UH, THE MINOR PROJECTS, THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT MINOR WORKS? UM, THE, THE MORE WE EXPAND THE MINOR WORKS, THE MORE SOME OF THESE SMALLER PROJECTS COULD MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT HAVING TO, TO, TO DEAL WITH.
UH, AS, AS I AGREE AND MATT AND I, MATT WAS GENEROUS WITH HIS TIME WITH ME, UM, THIS WEEK AND HAS BEEN AS I KIND OF LEARNED SOME OF THESE THINGS AND, AND I LOVE REDOING PROCESSES.
SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THESE THINGS, BUT I SAID, MATT, IT WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL FOR ME IF WE CAN TAKE THE AGENDA AND I CAN GO LOOK AT ALL THESE HOUSES AND I CAN LOOK AT YOUR REPORT AND THE WORK THAT GOES INTO IT.
AND WE WENT THROUGH THOSE THINGS AND WE HAD A REALLY FORWARD MOVING CONVERSATION ON SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT HE HAS AND JUST SOME OBSERVATIONS I HAD OF MAYBE THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE A TRIP TO THE BOARD MAYBE.
AND, AND SO WE'RE KIND OF STARTING A LIST OF THINGS IN OUR HEAD THAT'S GONNA COME UP FOR CONVERSATION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON, ON CONTINUING TO MODIFY THAT MINOR WORKS LIST, WHICH YOU'VE GOTTEN A GOOD, UH, START ON LATELY.
UM, BUT WE'RE HERE READY TO WORK AND READY TO MOVE THAT FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO MAKE CHANGES IF THEY'RE NECESSARY.
AND MAYBE THERE'S NOT, AND FROM MY EYES, SOMETIMES I'M LIKE, WHY IS A POOL IN THE BACKYARD HAVE TO COME HERE? BUT HE HAS A VERY GOOD EXPLANATION FOR ME ON HOW WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES AND WHY THAT IS.
BUT IF OUR RULE DOESN'T WORK, WE CAN ALWAYS RECOMMEND TO CHANGE THE RULE.
AND SO WE'RE REALLY GETTING INTO SOME MEAT AND MOVING THIS BOARD FORWARD AND OUR, OUR DOCUMENTS AND OUR, OUR STANDARDS FORWARDS.
AND SO WE'LL JUST KEEP THIS CONVERSATION GOING, BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH YOU GUYS IN TWO WEEKS AND GETTING IT STARTED.
WELL I APPRECIATE THAT AND I DO WANT TO COMPLIMENT MATT, FOUR OF US HERE.
WERE DOING THIS A LONG TIME AGO AND WE DIDN'T GET MAYBE ONE GUIDELINE, HERE'S THE PROPOSAL, HERE'S ONE GUIDELINE, MAYBE TWO, AND YOU'D KIND OF SCRAMBLE AT THE MEETING AS TO WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
SO WE APPRECIATE WHAT HE GOES.
NOW IF WE LOOK AT UPDATES, I THINK SOME OF US HAVE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER, OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND THEIR LIST OF MINOR WORKS IS SIGNIFICANT AND AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT DURING OUR UPDATES.
I THINK IT WOULD SAVE SOME TIME HERE AND A LOT OF IT THE ADMINISTRATOR CERTAINLY CAN HANDLE IS MM-HMM
WELL QUALIFIED TO DO THE, THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS THE NEIGHBORS DON'T GET NOTICE.
THERE'S ALWAYS A BALANCE FOR SURE.
AND SO FENCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT POP UP BACK AND FORTH ON FENCES.
BUT I DID WANNA SAY THAT, THAT, UM, BOTH THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR HAVE BEEN SENDING ME, UH, SOME OF THOSE LISTS OF MINOR WORKS FROM OTHER, UH, MUNICIPALITIES.
SO, AND I DID GO THROUGH ONE OF ONE OF THEM AND FOUND SAY FIVE OR 10 NEW ONES THAT WE CAN PROBABLY ADD OR, AND A COUPLE THAT WE CAN MAYBE ADJUST.
SO JUST OUT OF THAT, SO WE, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE SIGNING MAT.
WELL THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE MINOR WORKS IS HE CAN ALWAYS ESCALATE THEM IF HE, HE'S NOT COMFORTABLE WITH SOMETHING AND IF YOU'VE GOT A PERSON THAT CAN USE GOOD JUDGMENT LIKE HE CAN SITTING IN THAT ROLE, THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO TO, TO ADD TO THAT LIST.
BUT THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE DON'T HAVE
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TO HAVE TONIGHT.I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE BEEN, UM, CONSIDERING IT WITH THE HIGH ATTENTION WE OF GETTING TO THIS BOARD.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL, ALL SERVICE.
ANOTHER THING THAT, THAT I, I THINK WE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO, WHICH IS SOMETIMES HARD TO, HARD TO HARD TO DEAL WITH AND ACTUALLY MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN IS, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO NEED TO BE AWARE OF THE APPLICANTS AND POTENTIAL APPLICANTS TRYING TO MAKE IT AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN FOR THEM.
I MEAN WE, WE SIT THERE AND DESIGN REVIEW AND THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES UP THAT IS JUST VERY SIMPLE, BUT WHAT ARE, BUT BASED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, WE CAN'T APPROVE IT AS A MINOR AND IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT SLOWS, IT GUMS UP THE WHOLE THING.
IT MAKES MORE DIFFICULT FOR MATT BECAUSE HE HAS TO SEND OUT NOTICES NOW FOR REGULAR HEARING.
IF WE CAN MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR THE APPLICANTS THAT, BUT THE ISSUE IS WE'RE NOT A QUORUM.
AND WE CAN'T ADD TO THE MINOR LIST WITHOUT, WE CANNOT TAKE ACTION AND DESIGNER.
SO, AND I'M NOT SAYING I I'M NOT SAYING THAT I HAVE A SOLUTION, I'M JUST SAYING YES, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING, SOMETHING CLEVER.
UM, TO, TO THAT END TO ITEM A UNDER, UH, NEW BUSINESSES THAT THEY LONG LONGER WITH US.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE, MATT WILL JUST BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH A DEADLINE WORKING WITH, WE DON'T NEED TO ADOPT ANYTHING.
SO ITEM IS ABOUT THE MINOR WORKS.
SO, UM, UM, IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT I COULDN'T GET TO IT TO FINISH IT THIS TIME, UM, I AM GOING TO END IN LIGHT OF YOUR POTENTIAL NEW ADDITIONS.
UM, I HAVE A MUCH LONGER LIST READY FOR DESIGN REVIEW FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT.
'CAUSE WE NEED TO SEE IT BEFORE THE HEARING.
AND THEN, UM, PROPOSAL IS, DO YOU NEED TO DRAFT UP ORDINANCE FOR IT OR SOMETHING OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO JUST PROJECTING GOING FORWARD, MATT'S GOING TO PRESENT A LIST FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION AND DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT DESIGN REVIEW.
ONCE WE HAVE SOME IDEA ABOUT WHAT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD MAY BE, I'LL DRAFT A RESOLUTION THAT CODIFIES WHAT THE NEW MINOR WORKS LIST WILL BE.
AND THAT MOTION, UH, THAT RESOLUTION RATHER WILL BE ON YOUR AGENDA AT YOUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.
AND SO WE'LL HAVE TWO WEEKS TO PUT THAT, TURN THAT AROUND.
SO I GUESS THE LIST WE SAW OF DESIGN REVIEW LAST WILL BE IN THE FORTHCOMING LANGUAGE.
WITH THERE WERE SOME REVISIONS, UH, SUGGESTED FOR THAT ONE.
SO YES, THE GOAL IS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE APPLICANT AND HOPEFULLY EASIER FOR THAT.
WHAT'S THAT? YOUR GOAL IS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE APPLICANT AND HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY EASIER FOR YOU.
IT'S MY BEST INTEREST TO MAKE THAT IT'S A WIN WIN WIN AS AS POSSIBLE.
[9. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT A. Report On Major CoAs Denied (July 3 to August 6): None B. Report on Major CoAs, Extensions, Amendments, and Condition Approvals Issued (July 3 to August 6): 311 Avenue C – demolition and infill house – conditions met, approved 701 E. Front St. – elevation of house and hvac unit - conditions met, approved 710 Howard St. – restoration – minor amendment for a sign 1219 National Ave. – new infill house C. Report on Minor CoAs Issued (July 3 to August 6): 214 Change St. – shutters 512 E. Front St. – tree replacement 516 Hancock St. – New Bern Bear 516 Metcalf St. – replacement hvac unit 524 E. Front St. – storm windows, replacement hvac unit 616 Middle St. – replacement roofing 807 Pollock St. – replacement roofing About 17 pending D. Other Items and Updates by the Administrator Prevention of Demolition by Neglect Case Resolved: 508 C St. – CoA issued, renovations completed, DBN issues fixed Enforcement Case Resolved: 707 Craven St. – no CoA required]
ADMINISTRATORS REPORT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT ON TONIGHT? UM, NOTHING SPECIFIC.THE, UM, YOU HAVE THAT LIST THERE, UM, FOR THE PAST MONTH, UM, ALL THE VARIOUS COAS, UM, LET'S SEE.
OH, EXCEPT FOR ITEM D IS PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT CASE RESOLVED AT 5 0 8 C STREET.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS ON OUR AGENDA LAST MONTH, BUT UM, I MENTIONED IT AT THE DESIGN REVIEW.
UH, AND UH, THE ENFORCEMENT CASE WAS RESOLVED AT 7 0 7 CRAVEN STREET.
UM, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT NO COA WAS REQUIRED FOR THE WORK THAT, UH, WAS DONE.
AND, UH, AS FAR AS DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, I THINK THERE ARE SOME OTHER CASES THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AGAIN.
THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO A MATTER OF STAFF CAPACITY.
BUT NOW YOU HAVE COMMISSIONER THOMPSON KIND OF A REFERRAL RIGHT.
THERE'S TO, TO JUST REVIEW WHAT HE FINDS.
THERE'S NOW A GROUP OF FIVE PEOPLE YEP.
WHO, UH, ARE TALKING TO ME ABOUT DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT CASES.
SO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS WOULD ADD MOTION TO ADJOURN.