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OKAY.[1. OPENING OF MEETING WITH ROLL CALL]
CALL ORDER THE SEPTEMBER 17TH MEETING OF THE NEWBURN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.MR. SHELLEY, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL OF COMMISSIONERS? YES, CERTAINLY.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE GREGORY RUSH IS ABSENT.
ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? NONE THAT I KNOW OF.
[3. PRESENTATION OF CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION]
WILL TAKE A MOMENT.WE'D LIKE TO, UH, PRESENT SOME CERTIFICATES, SOME FOR SOME FOLKS WHO SERVED AND NOW ARE ON A LONG VACATION.
UH, JIM BUSBY AND MARK WHITENER, IF YOU'D COME UP AND WE'LL REACH YOU DOWN THERE.
YOU WANT ADJUSTMENT, MATT? WE NOW HAVE YES.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA]
CONSENT AGENDA.THERE ARE NO WRITTEN DECISIONS TO APPROVE.
CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES OF, AND I ASK FOR YOUR HELP HERE.
JUNE OF 2024, AND AUGUST OF 20, 25 MINUTES.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SO MOVE? I'LL SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A MOTION CARRIES.
[5.A. HEARINGS: INTRODUCTION, SWEARING-IN, SUMMARY OF PROCESS 1. Introduction of Hearings and Rules of Procedure 2. Swearing-In of Speakers 3. Summary of the Hearing Process]
WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF OUR HEARINGS.FIRST OF ALL, UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S LOCALLY, HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS.
TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HPC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES DUE TO NEGLECT, THE HPC HOLDS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE COMMISSION HEARS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.
THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONER SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINION, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, OR HEARSAY DURING A HEARING.
THE COMMISSION'S DECISION ON AN APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT THE HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS.
MR. SHELLEY, IF YOU'D SWEAR IN THE SPEAKERS, ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO SPEAK OR PROVIDE TESTIMONY RELATED TO A COA APPLICATION ON THIS MEETING'S AGENDA MUST BE SWORN IN IN ORDER TO MAKE COMMENTS.
SO, MR. MORRISON, UH, I AM ALSO SWORN IN, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO OKAY.
IF YOU WANT TO JUST ALL COME FORWARD SO YOU COME FORWARD, YOU MIGHT SEE THANK.
DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY? I DO.
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THANK YOU.NOW, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, PUT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ON HERE.
PLEASE DO SO YOU WANT GET YOURSELF SWORN IN? UH, SURE.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE TO SWEAR? OKAY.
IF YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY? UH, YES, SIR.
AND THEN CAN YOU PRINT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ON THAT FORM? RIGHT.
WHILE HE IS DOING THAT, I'LL SUMMARIZE HOW, WHAT THE HEARING PROCESS WORKS FOR COA APPLICATIONS.
THE HBC ADMINISTRATOR PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION THEN THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE PRESENTS THE APPLICATION PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.
REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE.
OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.
THE HBC ADMINISTRATOR PRESENTS THE STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE APPLICANT THEN HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS ON THEIR APPLICATION COMMISSIONERS THEN DISCUSS THE EVIDENCE AND MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR THE PRESENTERS.
THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION WITH STATED FINDINGS OF FACT.
THE MOTION IS DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSION.
THE CHAIRMAN THEN CALLS FOR A VOTE ON THE MOTION BY THE COMMISSION.
AND THE C-A-O-C-O-A CAN BE APPROVED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED.
[5.B. 500 Queen St. – Continued from the June 18, July 16, and August 20, 2025 meetings: to include a new infill 2-story building with a 2-story detached garage and a parking lot.]
ON TO OUR FIRST HEARING FOR 500 QUEEN STREET.CRUISE THROUGH THE MINUTES HERE.
OUR FIRST APPLICATION IS FOR 500 QUEEN STREET.
PROPERTY OWNER IS DION KING AND THE APPLICANT IS SPECTRUM CUSTOM BUILDERS.
JAY AMON IS REPRESENTING THEM.
UH, SEE AND YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF THEIR APPLICATION HERE.
UM, BASICALLY SEE THE ATTACHED TO ANSWER ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS, THEY CHECKED OFF QUITE A FEW THINGS AND MR. AMMAN, I BELIEVE SIGNED THIS.
UH, AND HERE HE IS WITH THE AUTHORIZATION TO DO SO WITH, UH, MR. DION'S, UH, MOTORIZED SIGNATURE.
HOWEVER, I DO SEE MR. DIANNA IS HERE TODAY IN THE AUDIENCE.
UM, SO WE'LL START WITH THE, SOME OF THE REST OF THE ATTACHMENTS, UH, THAT WERE REFERENCED IN THE APPLICATION, UM, FOR THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION AND THEN THE GUIDELINES AND DESIGN PRINCIPLES HERE LISTED.
AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW, WHICH WAS AN ISSUE THE LAST TIME.
UH, BUT NOW, UH, WE HAVE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATORS INDICATED THAT THE, UH, PROJECT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS THE SAME THING AS LAST TIME, WHICH IS THAT IT WILL REQUIRE BUILDING, PERMIT BUILDING AND FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMITS ARE REQUIRED.
SO WE MAY CONTINUE, RIGHT? SO, UH, THIS IS FIRST AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.
UH, AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE AND FOR THE APPLICATION, UH, ACROSS THE, WHERE THE TRUCK IS PARKED HERE, THAT IS PASTOR STREET.
AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM HERE, WE HAVE QUEEN STREET.
AND THEN ON THE LEFT SIDE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE COOL, UH, COOL STREET.
UH, AND, UH, AROUND IT WE HAVE, UM, AN IMMEDIATE LOWER LEFT.
IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY IS THE ROWAN HOTEL, UH, ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING HERE ON THIS CORNER.
WE HAVE ON THE OPPOSITE CORNER, UH, THE, UM, COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT HAS THE, UH, RESTAURANT IN IT AT THE MOMENT.
AND THEN ON THIS OTHER SIDE ON THE RIGHT, UH, NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS IS THE OLD RAILROAD STATION UNION STATION.
AND LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT PAGE.
THIS SHOWS THE, UM, THE ZONING, UH, AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY.
ACTUALLY JUST THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY, SHOWING THAT THIS PROPERTY IS ENTIRELY WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY, WHICH IS REPRESENTED BY PINK TONE AND THE PINK, UH, DASH LINES.
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SOME BACKGROUND, HISTORIC REFERENCE, UH, WE'VE INCLUDED SOME IMAGES FROM WHAT'S CALLED THE SANBORN MAPS OF THIS, UH, SITE HERE.AND IT, THIS ONE IS FROM, UH, 1898, I BELIEVE IT WAS 1898.
AND YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, PASTOR AND QUEEN.
AND BACK THEN THIS, UH, WAS ALSO, THIS WAS KNOWN AS JENKINS ALLEY.
AND THIS SHOWS THAT ON THAT CORNER THERE WAS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE GOING ON HERE.
AND THEN ALONG, ALONG PAST TOUR STREET, DIRECTLY OPPOSITE THE TRAIN STATION.
AND THEN AS, UH, PEOPLE WOULD PROGRESS UP QUEEN STREET, THERE WERE, UH, SOME DWELLINGS, BUT ALSO, UH, SOME RESTAURANTS, UH, AND A BUTCHER AS WELL.
UH, ACROSS THE STREET WAS A SALOON.
AND ON THE CORNER ON THE SITE ITSELF WAS A GROCERY STORE, A SALOON, A POOL HALL, AN OFFICE, A DWELLING, UH, A VACANT STORE, AND ANOTHER DWELLING, AND COUPLE DWELLINGS GOING UP THAT WAY.
SO THEN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS LATER, IN 1904, SO SIX YEARS LATER, UM, THE BUILDING WAS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
BUT THE BUSINESSES HAVE CHANGED TO, UH, UH, THE ENTIRE CORNER WAS NOW THE SALOON WITH THE GROCERY STORE ON THE SIDE, A JEWELRY STORE, A BARBERSHOP AND DWELLINGS, AND TWO RESTAURANTS ON QUEEN STREET.
UM, WHAT WAS FORMERLY A SALOON ACROSS THE STREET HERE ON QUEEN IS NOW A GROCERY STORE.
SO THINGS CHANGED A LOT BACK THEN, I GUESS.
AND NOW IN, UH, 1908, THIS SHOWS AGAIN, THAT SAME CORNER.
UH, THE, THE MAP HAS CHANGED IN DIRECTION, UH, BUT, UM, AGAIN, STILL, UH, QUITE A FEW COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
THERE WAS A BOARDING HOUSE NOW WHERE THERE WAS, UH, IN THE, ONE OF THE DWELLINGS THAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
UM, AND THE EBENEZER PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH HAS SHOWN UP HERE.
UM, THE PASSENGER STATION, UH, WAS DIFFERENT ONE AT THE TIME IN 1908.
UH, AND THE YELLOW COLOR REPRESENTS CON WOOD CONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO A RED ONE LIKE THIS ONE OVER HERE REPRESENTS BRICK.
AND THEN UP QUEEN STREET, THERE WERE MORE, UH, BUSINESSES ONCE ACROSS DURKIN'S ALLEY, WHICH IS NOW COOL.
THAT'S, UH, A BLOW UP OF THAT.
THERE WAS EVEN A POLICE STATION IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, PASTOR OR OFF TO THE SIDE OF PASTOR STREET THERE.
'CAUSE THIS WAS, AGAIN, THE MAIN, THE MAIN DISEMBARKING PLACE IN THE CITY, UH, FOR, UH, GUESTS AND OTHERS WHO WERE TRAVELERS.
UH, SO THEN IN 1913, THIS IS THE LAST MAP BEFORE THE GREAT FIRE OF 1922.
SAME, SAME KIND OF, UH, THING GOING ON, EXCEPT NOW THE UNION STATION IS THERE, UH, CONSTRUCTED OUT OF MASONRY BRICK, AND WE HAVE A BLOW UP THERE.
AND THEN THE 1922 FIRE, UH, IN 1924.
SO, AND IN 1922, THAT WAS IN DECEMBER.
SO LIKE WITHIN A YEAR AND A HALF, UH, THIS SITE WAS REBUILT, UM, FOR, UH, WITH BOTH THE OWN HOTEL ON THE LEFT.
AND THIS U-SHAPED, UM, COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH, UH, THE S REPRESENTS, UH, STORES 1, 2, 3 ACROSS THE BOTTOM.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 PLUS A, UH, IRONING AND PRESSING, UH, BUSINESS.
AND THEN ACROSS THE BACK, A PACKING ROOM FOR THE COHEN GOLDMAN COMPANY, UH, PANTS FACTORY, WHICH WAS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
THEN BY 1958, WHICH IS OUR NEXT AVAILABLE IMAGE, YEP, 1958 SHOWS THAT THAT PANTS FACTORY HAD TAKEN OVER THE ENTIRE THING.
AND IT ACTUALLY INFILLED THE U SHAPE, UH, WITH SOME CONCRETE BLOCK CONSTRUCTION THERE IN THE BLUE.
UH, AND, UH, THE REST IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS IT WAS.
SO THAT WAS THERE ALREADY IN 1958.
THAT BUILDING THEN WAS FINALLY TORN DOWN, I THINK IN THE 1970S.
UH, MAYBE SOMEONE UP HERE CAN CONFIRM THAT OR NOT, OR THE EIGHTIES.
UH, SO NOW WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE CONTEXT OF THE SITE, SO MAKE THESE BIGGER.
LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING THIS WAY.
SO ON QUEEN STREET AND ON THE, GOING UP THE LEFT SIDE AND PAST DOOR ON THE RIGHT, THIS IS OUR SITE WITH THE ROAN HOTEL IN THE BACKGROUND.
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UP QUEEN STREET.UH, THIS IS THIS LOOKING DIRECTLY INTO THE SITE, THEN, UH, LOOKING ALONG THE SIDEWALK, LOOKING AT THE, THE STREET SCAPE ALONG THERE, AND THEN APPROACHING COOL AND THEN TURNING ALONG.
COOL AND GOING, UM, PAST THE ROAN HOTEL, WHICH IS ON THE CORNER, THE BACK CORNER, WHICH IS HERE ON THE RIGHT.
AND APPROACHING THESE, UH, HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE LEFT.
THEN, UH, TURNING AS WE PASS THERO HOTEL AND LOOKING BACK INTO THE SITE, UH, AND THEN AT THE BACK OF THE SITE ALONG.
COOL, AND LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE SITE, BACK TOWARDS QUEEN STREET.
AND HERE WE SEE SOME OF THE OTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN THE BACKGROUND AND THEN TRAVERSING ACROSS THE BACK OF THE SITE.
UM, AND HERE WE SEE THERO HOTEL PROMINENTLY ON THE RIGHT, UH, THIS TREE.
AND THEN, UM, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET ARE ONE OF THEM, AGAIN, LOOKING BACK, UH, DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE PROPERTY.
THEN, UM, ONCE GETTING TO THE SIDEWALK, UH, LOOKING UP THE STREET ON PA ALONG PAST STREET, UM, FROM ABOUT WHERE THE ONE OF THE DRIVEWAYS WILL BE, I SUPPOSE, UH, IN THE PROJECT.
AND THEN LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE CORNER.
UH, SO THAT TAKES CARE OF ALL THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
THEN WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN USING NOW THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, AND THIS SITE PLAN INCLUDES THE, UM, SURVEY PLAN ON THE LEFT.
UH, AND THEN THIS SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING ON THE SITE AND THE PARKING CONFIGURATION AND LAYOUT IN THE BACK BEHIND THE BUILDING.
UH, I THINK EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH, EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD IS FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
UM, I GUESS, UH, THE MAIN POINTS ARE, UH, THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS HERE OFF THE CORNER.
UH, THERE'S A PORCH THAT WRAPS AROUND ON THREE SIDES, UH, HERE ALONG PASTOR STREET.
AND THEN, UH, THERE IS A PORTION OF THE BUILDING, WHICH, UH, ONE STORY PORTION OF THE BUILDING WHICH STICKS OUT HERE AND, UM, UH, MATCHES THE SETBACK OF THE ROAN HOTEL.
UM, AND OH, IT'S, UH, ALSO NEEDS TO BE, UH, POINTED OUT ON THIS PLAN IS THE PROPERTY LINE IS THE BLUE DASH LINE HERE THAT GOES THIS WAY.
UM, AND THEY ALSO OWN THE OTHER PARCEL THAT'S HERE, UH, WITH THIS, UH, UH, THIN, UH, THIN LONG PIECE.
AND THEN IT DOES A DOG LEG AROUND THE CORNER HERE TO MEET UP BACK ON PAST TOUR STREET.
UM, BUT ALL OF THE PROJECT IS ON THE MAIN PARCEL.
WELL, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ALL THAT, THE, UH, SETBACKS, UM, HAVE BEEN DELINEATED HERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WITH REGARD TO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THEY'VE BEEN CLARIFIED AND POINTED OUT ON THE PLANS AS WELL.
UH, SO, UM, THOSE, UH, IN STAFF'S OPINION ARE COMPLIANT WITH REQUIREMENTS.
SO LET'S MAKE THIS A LITTLE SMALLER.
THIS IS NOW THE FIRST FLOOR, FLOOR PLAN.
SO WE SEE IN THE LOWER, IN THIS RIGHT CORNER IS THE ENTRY, AND THE REST OF THIS IS OUTDOORS.
UP HERE, A PORCH AROUND THE, THIS IS, UH, SIDE HERE.
THE REST OF THE BUILDING IS, UM, INDOORS, EXCEPT FOR THIS PORTION HERE IS ALSO AN OUTDOOR PORCH WITH A STAIRWAY TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
UH, THIS IS AN OUTDOOR AREA AT THE TOP, UH, HERE AS WELL, UH, WHICH, UM, LEADS OUT TO THE PARKING LOT.
AND THEN THERE IS A SEPARATE BUILDING OVER HERE FOR THE GARAGES, THREE GARAGES.
UH, AND THAT HAS A SECOND FLOOR AS WELL, WITH AN APARTMENT AS WELL, OR CONDO, I SUPPOSE, WITH A DWELLING UNIT, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.
AND THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, PLAN.
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WE SEE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THERE IS BASICALLY TWO DWELLING UNITS, UH, ON THIS SIDE, UH, SEPARATED BY A WALL STRAIGHT ACROSS.UH, THE MIDDLE, UH, THERE IS ESSENTIALLY A BALCONY OR A WALKING PASS, PASSAGEWAY, EXTERIOR PASSAGEWAY FOR ACCESS TO BOTH OF THOSE, WHICH HAVE THEIR ACCESS HERE ON THE LEFT.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, UH, UNIT ABOVE THE GARAGES HAS THEIR ACCESS HERE AS WELL.
UM, UH, WHAT WE CAN SEE HERE ALSO IS THE, LOOKING DOWN FROM THE SECOND FLOOR TO THE FIRST FLOOR, YOU SEE SOME OF THE TRELLIS WORK, UH, OVER THE PORCH ON THIS SIDE AND THE PORCH ON THIS SIDE.
AND THEN, UM, PART OF THE ROOFING AND THE MECHANICAL UNITS ABOVE THE ONE STORY PORTION DOWN HERE.
AND THIS BEING THEN THE FULL ON, UH, ROOF PLAN WITH, YOU CAN SEE THE MECHANICAL UNITS.
THIS IS A FLAT ROOF ON, ON THESE TWO, THESE TWO WHITE AREAS ARE THE, UH, FLAT ROOFS.
UH, WHEREAS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THIS IS A PITCHED ROOF OVER HERE, AND THE FLAT ROOF HAS A PARAPET AROUND ALL SIDES.
SO HERE NOW WE GET TO THE ELEVATIONS WHERE WE SEE WHAT THAT ALL STARTS TO LOOK LIKE.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY ON THE TOP IS THE BACK, UH, THE, THE PORTION THAT FACES THE PARKING AREAS.
UH, AND SO, UM, WE HAVE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THEY BOTH PORTRAY AS TWO STORIES.
AND ON THE LEFT IT'S THE PARA, THE, UH, FLAT ROOF WITH A PARAPET.
AND ON THE RIGHT IT'S THE SLOPING, UH, ROOF ON THE, OVER THE GARAGE AND THE CONDO THERE, UH, THREE GARAGE DOORS.
WE SHOW ALL, THEY SHOW ALL THE WINDOWS.
UM, AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM HERE IS THE FRONT VIEW, UH, ALONG QUEEN STREET.
THIS IS, UH, THE ONE STORY PORTION WITH ITS BRICK WALL ON THE FRONT AND SOME WINDOWS.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT WE SEE, UH, THE, ONE OF THE PORCHES ON THE LEFT, UH, THE ENTRYWAY ON THE CORNER, AND THEN THE SIDE VIEW OF THE PORCH ON THE RIGHT.
AND, UH, AGAIN, YOU SEE THE TWO STORY BUILDINGS ON THE BACKSIDE FROM THEIR BACKSIDE, UM, OR THEIR FRONT SIDE, I SUPPOSE.
UH, ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE FRONT ONE ON THE LEFT IS KIND OF THE BACKSIDE OF THE GARAGES HAVE, UH, INDIVIDUAL DOORS FOR EACH GARAGE, AND THEN WINDOWS ABOVE THAT CENTERED ABOVE THE DOORS.
THE NEXT PAIR OF ELEVATIONS IS THEN, UH, THE TOP ONE IS THE ELEVATION FACING PASTOR STREET.
AND SO, UM, WE SEE THEN THAT SIDE OR THAT PORCH ALONG THIS SIDE.
UH, AND, UM, THE VARIOUS FENESTRATIONS HERE ARE THE WINDOWS, UH, AND THE ENTRYWAY IS THIS, UH, PORTION RIGHT HERE, AND THE SIDE VIEW OF THAT FRONT PORCH.
ON THE BOTTOM VIEW, WE HAVE, UH, THEN THE VIEW THAT'S FACING KOOL STREET OR THE R HOTEL, UH, SINCE THIS IS A SOMEWHAT L-SHAPED BUILDING.
UH, SO THE GARAGE ON THE LEFT HAS THE APARTMENT, UH, SLASH CONDO ABOVE IT, WITH A WINDOW ON THAT, ON THAT WALL.
AND THE BRICK WALL FACING THE, UH, THE HOTEL, UH, HAS AN EXIT DOOR HERE.
UH, AND THEN THERE IS, THIS SHOWS THAT, UH, PORCH AREA, UH, UNDERNEATH THE ACCESS WALKWAY FOR THE SECOND STORY ENTRANCES, WHICH ARE SHOWN HERE.
ALRIGHT, THE NEXT IS, THESE ARE SECTIONS THROUGH THE BUILDING.
UM, USUALLY NOT THAT IMPORTANT FOR US, UM, BUT IF WE NEED THEM, WE CAN LOOK AT THEM.
UH, THERE WE GO AGAIN, SOME MORE SECTIONS.
NOW THE COUPLE THINGS THAT SOMETIMES, UH, BECOME AN ISSUE ARE THE DETAILS ABOUT THE, UM, EXTERIOR MATERIALS, WHICH SHOW UP MORE IN THESE, UH, SECTION DETAILS.
UH, SO THE CONSTRUCTION IS A SLAB ON GRADE, AND THE, UM, EXTERIOR WALL IS SHOWN HERE, UH, EITHER WITH BRICK OR WITH A SIDING.
UH, THAT, UH, WILL SHOW UP IN A MINUTE.
OH, WAIT, UH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY POINTED OUT ON THE ELEVATIONS, AND WE'LL PROBABLY, UH, DISCUSS THAT BETTER WHEN WE SEE THE, UH, RENDERINGS.
SO, AND THEN A LOT OF OTHER CONSTRUCTION DETAILS.
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DETAILS OF THE, UH, HANDRAILS AND THE, UH, RAILINGS.SO THE HANDRAIL FOR THE STEPS, UH, AND THE RAILINGS FOR THE, UM, BALCONIES OR, UM, WALKWAYS AND ALSO FOR THEIR RAMPS OR RAMP, SORRY, THEY HAVE ONE RAMP OUT THE BACK.
UH, THESE ARE DETAILS FOR THE, UH, TRASH ENCLOSURE AND ALSO ON THE BOTTOM, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
AND THEN THE ABOVE IS THE DETAIL FOR THE, UH, PRIVACY FENCE.
SO THE PRIVACY FENCE IS SHOWN HERE AT SIX FEET IN HEIGHT, MAXIMUM TO THE VERY TOP OF THE POSTS.
UM, AND THERE'S SECTIONS FOR THOSE.
SO, OH YEAH, SO THEY DO SHOW THE, UM, SECTION FOR THE HANDRAILS.
ALRIGHT, HAND RAILING, UH, SOME DETAILS FOR THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, INCLUDING A PLAN VIEW OF THAT.
THIS, UM, HAS A STOREFRONT DOOR DETAIL, AND THEN THIS IS A SCHEDULE OF ALL THE DOORS AND WINDOWS AND GARAGE DOORS AND SUCH.
A LOT OF, UH, WALL SECTIONS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, SECTION THAT SHOWS THE DETAIL FOR THE WINDOW SILLS AND THE BRICK, UM, FACING ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
AND THE HEADER, THE BRICK, UM, FOR THE HEADER IS ACTUALLY, UM, PROJECTING OUT SLIGHTLY FROM THE FACE OF THE REST OF THE BRICK OF THE BRICK WALL.
OKAY, LET'S ZOOM IN ON THESE BETTER.
SO, SO THIS ONE IS RENDERING OF THE ENTRYWAY.
AND SO ON THE LEFT, UH, WE CAN SEE A BIT OF QUEEN STREET.
SO THAT WOULD BE COMING ACROSS OUR FOREGROUND AND OFF TO THE OFF SCREEN, SO TO SAY, OR OFF.
UH, PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS PASTOR, UH, AND SO THIS IS THE ENTRANCE WAY HERE.
UH, ACTUALLY GONNA MOVE IT, MOVE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE TO POINT OUT, UH, ON THE RENDERING.
IT SHOWS, UH, THAT NEW, UM, UH, STOREFRONT CONSTRUCTION OF THE CORNER, UH, THAT WAS NEW TO THIS PACK, THIS, UH, DESIGN THIS TIME AROUND.
UM, OTHERWISE, UH, YOU SEE THE, UH, ONE STORY PORTION IS COMPLETELY BRICK, AND THE TWO STORY PORTION IS THE FIRST FLOOR BRICK AND THE SECOND FLOOR HAS SIDING.
UH, AND THIS, UH, SIGNAGE AREA HAS DIFFERENT TYPE OF SIGNAGE, UH, I MEAN, SORRY, SIDING ALONG IT.
UM, AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE WAY THE FENESTRATION LOOKS.
UM, THE HANDRAILS, UH, THIS ACTUALLY, THIS RENDERING NOW ACTUALLY INCLUDES SOME OF THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING AS WELL AS DOES THEN THIS ONE, WHICH, UM, IS NOW OF COURSE THE REAR VIEW FROM THE PARKING LOT.
I'M GOING TO ZOOM IN SOME MORE FOR THIS.
AND HERE YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE, UM, THE TWO MATERIALS.
AND THIS THING WON'T SLIDE ANYMORE, I GUESS.
UH, THE TWO MATERIALS, THE SIDING ON THE TOP, THE BRICK ON THE BOTTOM, HERE'S WHERE THE HANDICAP, UH, RAMP IS HERE, UM, ON THE SIDE.
UH, AND, UH, YOU ALSO SEE THE, UH, UM, KIND OF INDENTED, UH, PORCH UNDERNEATH THIS CORNER AND AROUND THE CORNER THAT, UH, OCCUPIES THE SPACE BETWEEN THE, UH, MAIN BUILDING AND THE GARAGE, UH, PORTION.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, ACCESS CONNECTION HERE, UH, FOR THE ENTRANCEWAY TO THE SECOND FLOOR DWELLING UNIT THERE.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE HAVE ONE MORE RENDERING DOWN HERE, BUT IT'LL NOT SLIDE.
OKAY, SO NOW THIS THEN IS A VIEW FROM ASTOR STREET.
LOOKING STRAIGHT ON AT THAT, UH, TWO, THE TWO STORY PORTION HERE WITH THE, UM, COMMERCIAL USE ON THE BOTTOM AND THE TWO RESIDENTIAL USE.
UM, THE TWO RESIDENCES UP TOP.
OKAY, I THINK THAT MIGHT DO US, OH, SORRY.
UM, THEY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, SHEETS HERE FOR THE, UH, LIGHTING.
UH, SO THE, UM, THE LIGHTING IN THE PARKING LOT, UH, WILL BE LIKE THIS ON THE LEFT.
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UH, THE OTHER ONES REPRESENT LIGHT FIXTURES USED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS.AND THAT'S SIMPLY A CAN LIGHT, UH, THIS LIGHTLY.
UH, ON THE RIGHT HERE IS THE ONE THAT'S TYPICALLY USED THROUGHOUT THE OUTSIDE OF THE COMMERCIAL USE.
SO THAT'S IT FOR PRESENTING THE, UH, PROJECT.
DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? NO, I THINK WE COVERED IT.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK WHO HAS RECEIVED A LETTER AND IS THAT, IS A PROPONENT OF THIS PROJECT, OR ANYONE WHO RECEIVED A LETTER WHO IS AN OPPONENT OF THE PROJECT, IF YOU'D COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU COME IN? UH, MY NAME IS CHRISTIE WEST, UM, FIVE 12 QUEEN STREET.
UH, I OWN THE OWN HOTEL WITH MY FAMILY.
SORRY, I HAVE A BIG BOOK HERE.
UM, SORRY, I'M HITTING THE MIC.
SO, UM, YEAH, I CAN ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IF YOU, UH, I, MATT ARI CALL SHOWED THE SAME SITE PLAN.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE OF THIS IS THAT THE YELLOW IS THE OWN HOTEL, BUT YOU GUYS SEEM TO BE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
UM, I TRULY APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO SPEAK FOR, SPEAK TO YOU AND YOU SERVING 'CAUSE I REALIZE THAT THIS IS, UM, A JOB THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD NOT TAKE.
THIS IS AN EXCITING TIME FOR NEW BERN.
I HAVE REGULARLY VISITED HERE SINCE I WAS A CHILD, AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS CARING FOR MY MOTHER.
THIS IS THE MOST ACTIVITY AND CHANGE I CAN REMEMBER EVER.
NEW RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES THAT ARE AT THE HEART OF THIS COMMUNITY ARE POPPING UP ALL OVER, AND MR. KING IS A BIG PART OF THAT WITH HIS PLANS FOR THE ELKS LODGE AND THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
THESE SMALL BUSINESSES ARE MORE THAN ECONOMIC ENGINES.
THEY ARE THE THREADS THAT WEAVE OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
EVERY NEW VENTURE LIKE MR. KING'S REPRESENTS HOPE AND OPPORTUNITY, NOT JUST FOR HIM OR HIS CUSTOMERS, BUT FOR EVERYONE WHO SHARES AND LOVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I DO.
AS WE LOOK FORWARD, WE MUST HONOR THE FOUNDATION UPON WHICH OUR COMMUNITY WAS BUILT.
THIS VERY CORNER WHERE THE TRAIN STATION IS, WHERE THE RONE IS, WHERE THE KING LASSO BUILDING WILL STAND, IS FRAMED BY TWO IRREPLACEABLE LANDMARKS, THE UNION STATION AND THE RONE HOTEL.
THESE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ARE NOT JUST RELICS OF THE PAST.
THEY ARE LIVING TESTAMENTS TO NEW BIRD'S, ENDURING SPIRIT AND UNIQUE IDENTITY.
UNION STATION HAS WITNESSED GENERATIONS OF ARRIVALS AND DEPARTURES UNTIL WE HAD AIRPORTS AND HIGHWAYS.
THE TRAIN STATION WAS THE HUB, AS MATT HAD POINTED OUT OF NEW BERN.
EVERYBODY ARRIVED THERE, THERE AND SPREAD OUT TO THE REST OF THE CITY FROM THE TRAIN STATION, THE ROME HOTEL, WHICH MY FAMILY IS HONORED TO OWN STANDS AS A PRECIOUS REMINDER OF THE CREATIVITY AND BRILLIANCE.
AFRICAN AMERICANS CONTRIBUTED TO NEW BRUNS SUCCESS WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN 1923 BY THE GREAT CHARLOTTE RON AND HER SISTERS.
IN LESS THAN A YEAR, THEY CONSTRUCTED THAT BRICK BUILDING IN LESS THAN A YEAR.
IT WAS THE FIRST BUILDING THAT WAS FINISHED IN THAT AREA AFTER THE FIRE, WHICH I THINK IS KIND OF A MIRACLE.
WITH NO HEAVY EQUIPMENT, THESE BUILDINGS ARE MORE THAN BRICK AND MORTAR.
THEY REFLECT OUR HISTORY, OUR VALUES, OUR SHARED MEMORY OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO WHY AM I HERE? SECTION 2.1, 0.2 OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS INFILL GUIDELINE STATES WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN MAY HAVE BEEN WEAKENED BY VACANT LOCKS, PREFERENCE SHALL BE GIVEN TO THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WHEN DEFINING INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
IN THE CURRENT DESIGN, I SEE LITTLE, IF ANY, PREFERENCE GIVEN TO THE ONLY TWO CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE INFILL PROJECT.
BOTH UNION STATION AND THE ROAN HOTEL ARE IMPORTANT.
NEW BERN LANDMARKS, SECTION THREE OF HPC INFILL GUIDELINES, CALLS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION TO REFLECT OR THOROUGHLY REINTERPRET THOUGHTFULLY REINTERPRET TRADITIONAL BUILDING.
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THAT IS NOT A TECHNICALITY, IT IS A PRINCIPLE THAT ENSURES EACH BUILDING IS EACH BUILDING.AGAIN, CON QUOTING CONTRIBUTES TO THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I RESPECTFULLY PROPOSE THAT THE DESIGN FOR MR. KING'S BUILDING DOES NOT MEET THOSE GUIDELINES.
KEY POINTS TO CONSIDER THE CURRENT DESIGN DOES NOT EMBRACE THE ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE THAT MAKES THE CORNER OF NEWBURN DISTINCT.
THAT CORNER AND THE MASS AND PROPORTIONS OF THE PROJECT OVERWHELM THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE.
NUMBER TWO, THE PROPERTY WILL BE MAJORITY HARD SURFACE PARKING.
HOW WILL THAT ADDRESS THE STORM WATER IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEW BERN DESPERATELY NEEDS AND HAS PLANNED SOON.
THREE, THE NEW DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE TO COOL AVENUE WILL MAKE AN EXISTING TRAFFIC PROBLEM WORSE.
IT IS A ONE-WAY STREET WITH TWO-WAY TRAFFIC THAT IS REGULARLY BLOCKED WITH YARD MAINTENANCE OR OTHER VEHICLES.
I TOOK THOSE PICTURES THIS AFTERNOON, AND THAT'S ALMOST A WEEKLY OF NOT DAILY EVENT.
AND MOST IMPORTANT, IT DOES NOT GIVE PREFERENCE TO THE EXISTING HISTORIC LANDMARKS THAT HAVE BEEN STANDING FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
I JUST POINT OUT THREE THINGS.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE UNION STATION.
I TOOK THEIR SITE MAP AND ADDED APPROXIMATE REPRESENTATIONS OF THE BUILDINGS.
SO THERE'S MY OWN HOTEL, OUR OWN HOTEL.
IN THE RED ON THE LEFT IS THE, THERE'S A SMALL PINK HOUSE NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS A NAME.
EIGHT 11 COOL STREET, COOL AVENUE, AND, UH, THE DUTCH HOUSE RIGHT BEHIND IN BLUE THAT WAS BUILT THE SAME YEAR THAT THE OWN HOTEL WAS, WAS.
AND I BELIEVE THE SAME FAMILY HAS LIVED IN IT SINCE THE 1950S.
AND THEN THE, OF COURSE, THE TRAIN STATION ON THE RIGHT AND THE PARKING LOT THAT I WAS MENTIONING BEFORE IN THE BACK THERE.
FINALLY, TO EMPHASIZE OUR BUILDING'S ICONIC HISTORY, THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE.
THIS BOOK THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH, WHICH I HAVE HAD GREAT DELIGHT WITH THE LAST FEW DAYS FROM THE LIBRARY, SAYS THAT THE ROW HOTEL IS SIGNIFICANT AS THE CITY'S FIRST HOTEL BUILT FOR AND OPERATED BY BLACKS.
IT SYMBOLIZES THE MASSIVE EFFORTS BY NEW BERN'S BLACK COMMUNITY TO REBUILD THE HUNDREDS OF BUILDINGS THAT WERE DESTROYED BY THE GREAT FIRE OF 1922.
THE MORE WE'VE ONLY OWNED THE BUILDING FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS.
BUT THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OF THE BUILDING, THE MORE I LOVE IT.
I AM HERE TO HONOR THE PEOPLE WHO BUILT IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO PRESENT THAT.
I JUST WANT THIS HISTORIC CORNER TO STAY LOOKING HISTORIC.
I COUNT ON YOU FOR THE BALANCE BETWEEN WELCOMING MR. KING'S NEW ENERGY AND PRESERVING OUR HISTORIC CHARACTER.
I SINCERELY HOPE THAT EVERY NEW CHAPTER IN NEW BERN STORY IS ONE THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO RECEIVED A LETTER AS AN OPPONENT? AND HOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS, UH, APPROPRIATE TESTIMONY ABOUT THE GUIDELINES REGARDING THIS PROPERTY AND DID NOT RECEIVE A LETTER OBJECT? ANYONE SAY MADAM CHAIR, SWEAR IN IT.
IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'RE IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL CONTEXT, THAT ANY SPEAKERS WHO DID NOT RECEIVE NOTICE, WHO DO NOT OWN PROPERTY WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY HAVE STANDING BY DEMONSTRATING THEY HAVE SPECIAL DAMAGES UNIQUE TO THEM.
UM, NOT THAT, NOT THOSE THINGS THAT ARE COMMON TO THE, THE REST OF THE DISTRICT OR TO THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.
THAT WAS NOT THE REQUEST OF THE CHAIR FOR THE RECORD.
SO THAT WAS THE REQUEST OF THE CHAIR WOULDN'T HAVE RAISED MY HAND.
BUT IF YOU'RE CHANGING THAT REQUEST, I'M HAPPY TO REFRAIN.
CAN YOU DEMONSTRATE THAT? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR THOUGH.
SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, YOU MEANT TO ASK FOR AND DIDN'T, I'M HAPPY TO, IF THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.
WITH THAT, UM, ANY REBUTTAL FROM THE APPLICANT? AUDI HOWDY TO IDENTIFY HIMSELF? YEP.
IF YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND, AND ADDRESS, UH, NAME IS DION KING.
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HIDDEN HARBOR DRIVE.PLEASE DO NOT COME TAKE ANY SIGNS OUT MY YARD.
UM, THANK YOU GUYS FOR, UH, TAKING A MOMENT TO HEAR MS. WEST AND HER CONCERNS ABOUT OUR PROJECT.
UM, YES, I DO HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS.
A FEW OF MY PROJECTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOING ON.
UH, THE ELKS BUILDING, THE BYS DRUG STORE, THAT'S ALSO MY PROJECT.
THE, UH, UH, PENNIX, WHICH I ALSO OWN NOW.
UM, EVEN UNION STATION, WHICH I'LL BE OWNING, UH, HERE WITHIN THE NEXT, I DON'T KNOW, COUPLE OF WEEKS.
MY JOB IS TO PRESERVE HISTORY, NOT TO CHANGE IT OR REWRITE IT.
UM, I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW OUR PROJECT WOULD ACTUALLY HINDER HER FROM MAKING ANY ADVANCES IN WHATEVER SHE'S DOING.
IN FACT, I THINK OUR PROJECT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP HER.
UM, IT'LL ACTUALLY BE BENEFICIAL TO HER AND WHAT SHE HAS GOING ON AS AN AIRBNB THAT SHE'S RUNNING NOW.
I KNOW THAT MS. WEST UTILIZED THE LAND PREVIOUSLY, UM, UNDERNEATH THE PERMISSION OF THE PREVIOUS OWNERS.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
UM, THEREFORE WE NEED TO UTILIZE THE LAND.
AND OF COURSE, IT SEEMS LIKE FOR CENTURIES, THAT'S KIND OF THE CORNER WHERE EVERYBODY GO GET THEIR BOOZE
UM, WE'RE NOT BRINGING THAT TYPE OF CROWD.
WE'RE BRINGING MORE OF A REFINEMENT, UM, REFINEMENT THING THERE.
UH, HISTORY IS VERY IMPORTANT.
SO OF COURSE, AS THE OWNER OF MULTIPLE HISTORICAL BUILDINGS HERE IN DOWNTOWN NEW BERN, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANYTHING THAT ME OR MY TEAM WOULD DO TO CAUSE A DISSERVICE.
YES, LIKE I SAID, I DO OWN QUITE A BIT.
UM, A LOT OF IT IS VERY BIG PROJECTS THAT'S INCLUDING THE TRAIN DEPOT AND THAT'S ALSO INCLUDING THE ELKS BUILDING.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, ENTIRE CORNER, WE WE'RE DEFINITELY TRYING TO DEVELOP IT INTO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE REMARKABLE.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT SHE HAS THE CONCERNS, BUT WE GAVE HER, I WANNA SAY BRIEFLY, WAS IT 20 FEET OF SETBACKS, ABOUT 20 FEET OF OUR LAND THAT SHE CAN OPERATE OFF OF BECAUSE OUR LAND RUNS DIRECTLY ALONG THE SIDE OF HER BUILDING.
SHE'S STILL IN PLACE WITH THAT.
WE GAVE HER AN OPTION FOR A SOUND BUFFER, WHICH WILL BE EITHER VISITATION OR EITHER A FENCE.
SHE DECIDED THAT SHE WANTED A FENCE.
AND WHERE, WHERE I'M GOING AT WITH THIS IS HOW MANY MORE THINGS DO I HAVE TO GRANT HER? BECAUSE I CAN IMAGINE IF SHE WAS TO COME TO YOU GUYS LAND AND SAY, HEY, I'M GONNA DO WHAT I WANT WITH YOUR LAND, THERE'LL PROBABLY BE AN ISSUE JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO TRY TO MEET HER NEEDS.
THANK YOU, MS. WEST, DID YOU HAVE ANY REPLY TO THAT? I, I DO.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE, FOR, UH, MR. KING? YES, SIR.
UM, CAN YOU COME BACK IN A SEC? SO I THINK WHAT, WHAT THE, THE CONCERN WAS, WAS NOT WHAT KIND OF ESTABLISHMENT OR THE NOISE.
I THINK THAT, THAT HER QUESTION WAS REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING AND HOW IT DOES, HOW IT WORKS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND.
AND I'M NOT SURE YOU, GRANTED, YOU BRUSHED ON THAT, BUT YOU REALLY DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT.
GRANTED, YOU GUYS GAVE US A, A GUIDELINE THAT WE HAVE TO GO BY.
I THINK FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, EVERY MATERIAL THAT WE UTILIZE THAT'S INCLUDING BREAK OR IF IT'S VINYL OR IF IT'S EVEN HARDY, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS HARDY.
UM, THESE ARE THINGS THAT'S APPROVED BY YOU GUYS.
SO NOW GRANTED WE CAN'T MATCH EVERY SINGLE MATERIAL 'CAUSE A LOT OF IT'S NON EXISTING ANYMORE.
BUT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING, GRANTED, I, I SEE THAT SHE'S SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T FIT IN, BUT IS SHE GONNA SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THE TRAIN DEPOT WHEN I GET THROUGH WITH IT? POSSIBLY.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN PLANS FOR THAT.
SO, SO I MEAN, WE, WE GOT A LOT OF STUFF, BUT ALSO THERE'S A PINK HOUSE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH BELONGS TO MS. KELLY.
SHE NEEDS TO KNOW THAT PERSON'S NAME.
UM, BUT IF IT DOESN'T LOOK OLD ENOUGH FOR IT, I'M SORRY, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA TURN ATLANTA INTO A PARK BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO.
AND THAT WAS HER ORIGINAL PLAN.
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SO WE MET THE REGULATIONS ON, ON THE MATERIALS THAT, THAT WERE NEEDED OR THAT WAS GIVEN TO US AND WE'RE PLAYING THIS THING BY THE BOOK.THAT'S JUST THE MOST SIMPLEST WAY I COULD PUT IT BY THE BOOK.
ANYTHING ELSE? AND MS FOR THAT? SURE.
UM, AND YOU'RE IDENTIFY YOURSELF, CHRIS WALKER? I'M WITH THE WALKER GROUP ARCHITECTURE, THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE, WE DID TRY TO RESPECT HER BUILDING.
IN FACT, I MEAN, WE REMODELED THIS BUILDING SO THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT, TAKE A LOOK AT THE PERSPECTIVE OF IT, TAKE A LOOK AT THE, THE BUILDING HEIGHTS AND FORMS AND, AND SEE HOW WE COULD RELATE TO THAT BUILDING.
AND IN FACT, THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WHY WE ADDED THAT ENTIRE BRICK SECTION OF THE BUILDING TO TRY TO STAY IN RELATION WITH THAT, WITH HER PROPERTY AND, AND, UH, KIND OF GIVE A RELATIONSHIP OF THE BRICK TO THE BRICK, UM, AND KEEP THE BUILDING FORM ALONG, ALONG WITH THAT.
SO, SO FROM A MASS SCALE AND PROPORTION ASPECT, I THINK WE DID STUDY THAT PRETTY WELL.
UM, MATERIAL WISE, WE ARE USING HARDY PLANK AND, AND BRICK ALL WITHIN THE, THE GUIDELINES.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT, THAT YOU CAN USE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO, I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO MONETIZE THE, THE CORNER OF IT.
I, I THINK IT'S, UH, AN ACTIVE, UH, COMMERCIAL CORNER AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
BUT WE ARE TRYING TO, TO PAY SOME RESPECT TO THE, TO THE RUN HOTEL IN UNF.
AND MS. WEST THEN, DID YOU HAVE A REBUTTAL? NO, HE RECEIVED HIS BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PERMIT.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR, TO MONITOR HIS PROJECT, TO REDO HIS PROJECT.
YOU, YOU CHAIRMAN SPOKE IT EXACTLY RIGHT.
THE, UH, I GAVE UP ON GETTING THE, NOT ON LOSING THE TREES BECAUSE HE DID MAKE SOME CONCESSIONS.
WE WENT FROM FIVE FEET TO 15 FEET TO 20 FEET FROM MY BUILDING.
UH, BUT THE TREES WILL BE GONE AND THAT'S VERY SAD.
UM, I DON'T, I KNOW WHAT YOUR NAME IS OF YOUR COMMISSION.
THE, THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE BUILT AT THE END OF QUEEN STREET, SARAH, LEFT LETTER, THEY WERE ALL BRAND NEW.
WE'D DRIVE BY AND WE'D LOOK AT THEM AND THEY SEEMED ALL CRAMMED TOGETHER.
BUT EVERYTHING ABOUT THE FEATURES OF THAT, I MEAN, THE LANGUAGE THAT I READ IN YOUR GUIDELINES, SARAH LOOKED AT IT AND PUT RAILINGS AND PORCHES AND VERANDAS AS THOUGH IT COULD HAVE BEEN A HISTORIC BUILDING.
THEY LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE SOME OF THE HISTORIC FEATURES.
BUT THE REST OF IT LOOKS EXTREMELY MODERN, JUST SHOCKINGLY MODERN.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
IF WE COULD HAVE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, UH, THIS IS THE STAFF REPORT FOR, UH, DION KING AND J AMON FOR THE PROJECT AT 500 QUEEN STREET.
UH, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME OR IS THERE IS NONE FOR A VACANT LOT AND NOTHING ELSE IN THE INVENT NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY OR THE SANDBAG EQUIP.
UH, THE PROJECT FOR 500 QUEEN STREET IS TO INCLUDE A NEW INFILL TWO STORY BUILDING WITH A TWO STORY DETACHED GARAGE AND A PARKING LOT.
UH, STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, FORMALLY KNOWN AS GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
IT'S 2.12 AND THREE FOR UTILITIES, 2.3 0.1, TWO, THREE AND SIX FOR LANDSCAPING, 2.42, THREE AND FOUR FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5, 0.1 AND THREE FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
2.6 0.1 FOR PARKING, 2.7 0.2 AND FIVE FOR SIGNAGE, 2.8 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE FOR INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
3.42 AND FOUR FOR FOUNDATIONS.
4.5 FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.4 AND FIVE, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.2 AND THREE ENTRANCES 4.4 FOR ROOFS, 4.5 0.4 AND SIX FOR ACCESSIBILITY AND LIFE
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SAFETY.5.4, 0.2, THREE, FOUR AND SIX FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.1, 2, 3, 5 AND SIX.
THE STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE THE APPLICATION IS AN INFILL TWO STORY BUILDING WITH A TWO STORY DETACHED GARAGE AND PARKING LOT.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
THREE, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FOUR, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
SO THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UH, ANY CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING OR DESIRED AFTER APPROVAL ARE TO BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL BY STAFF OR THE HPC PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
THAT'S THE END OF OUR STAFF REPORT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS? THE APPLICANT? EXCUSE ME.
GIVEN THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, I THINK WE WOULD BE WISE TO USE THE COA EVALUATION WORKSHEET, AND WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH BRIEFLY, UH, MAYBE TO PROMPT THE DISCUSSION FOR SITE AND SETTING THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, PLACEMENT OF THE STRUCTURE, PUBLIC OPEN SPACES, UTILITIES, LANDSCAPING FENCES, GARDEN WALLS, PLACEMENT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, PARKING, SIGNAGE, ANY COMMENTS THERE FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, ANYTHING YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT OR SUPPORT.
UM, WAS, UH, WAS, UM, SCALE AND PROPORTION? IS THAT PART OF THAT? THAT'S THE NEXT ONE.
OKAY, THEN I'LL, OKAY, NOW WE MOVE TO DESIGN ATTRIBUTES.
NO, I, I I THINK THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, IT SEEMS THAT IT MEETS THE SCALE PROPORTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WAS POINTED OUT EARLIER ON, THERE WAS A HUGE STRUCTURE THERE IN THE PAST.
UM, NOW THIS ONE IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THAT SIZE, BUT AS FAR AS SIZING AND SCALE PROPORTION, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT ONE.
YEAH, I MEAN THIS, THIS IS, UM, IT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UH, IT, IT CERTAINLY IS A CON A MORE CONTEMPORARY DESIGN.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, THAT WE LOOK AT, UH, KIND OF AT THE TOP OF THE TOP OF THE LIST IS MASS SCALE PROPORTION DIMENSIONS.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE MASS SCALE PROPORTIONED DIMENSIONS WITH WHAT'S ANY ADJACENT STRUCTURES, UM, AS WELL AS ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, IT'S BASICALLY A TWO STORY STRUCTURE.
UH, THE ROME HOTEL IS, IS, UH, A TWO STORY STRUCTURE.
UH, ONE OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, ON THE CORNER ACROSS THE, ACROSS FROM QUEEN STREET IS A TWO STORY STRUCTURE.
SO YES, IT'S A MORE CONTEMPORARY DESIGN, BUT MASS SCALE PROPORTION DIMENSIONS, I DON'T THINK IT VIOLATES, I DON'T THINK IT VIOLATES THAT.
UH, THE SETBACK, THE SETBACK FROM THE ROWAN HOTEL.
THE 20 FOOT SETBACK, UH, IS CERTAINLY BETTER THAN HAVING IT, UH, RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE CLOSE TO THE WRONG HOTEL.
ANY COMMENTS, FURTHER COMMENTS ON THAT FORM OR RHYTHM, TEXTURE OR DETAILS? I THINK THE, UM, THE, THE SETBACKS ARE SIMILAR, LIKE THE LINES UP WITH THE HOTEL AND THE BRICK STRUCTURE.
ALSO THE SIDE OUTDOOR EATING REMINDS ME OF PORCHES AND THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON HOMES.
SO I THINK IT'S VERY INVITING WITH THE PORCHES AND THE OUTDOOR EATING.
I THINK THAT FITS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO READ WITHOUT COMMENT, THE DESIGN PRINCIPLE 3.1 0.5, AVOID CREATING A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORICAL DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO APPLY HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL STYLES TO INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
CREATIVE INTERPRETATION OF TRADITIONAL DETAILING AND OR ORIENTATION IS ENCOURAGED, I THINK, AND NO COMMENT.
THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES.
UH, I CONCUR, UH, MR. CHAIR, I CAN I ADD, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A TRADITIONAL, UM, I, I THINK, UM, A LOT OF US PERHAPS PERSONALLY MIGHT LIKE TO SEE MORE OF A TRADITIONAL, BUT I THINK THE CONTEMPORARY DESIGN CERTAINLY MEETS WHAT, UH, WHAT, UM, THE
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COMMISSIONER JUST READ.AND I WOULD ADD THAT THE, UM, ON SECTION 3.4, THAT AN IN INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD REFLECT ITS TIME OF DESIGN.
THE INTENT OF NEWBURN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES IS NOT TO IMPOSE PARTICULAR ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, BUT TO GUIDE CHANGE THAT PROTECTS AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT.
ON MOVING ON TO DESIGN COMPONENTS.
WE HAVE WALLS, TRIM, ORNAMENTATION, WINDOWS, DOORS, OPENINGS, ENTRANCES, ROOFS, DECKS AND PAD.
THERE'S NO DECKS OR PATIO, UH, ACCESSIBILITY, LIFE SAFETY, ANY COMMENTS THERE? MM-HMM.
MATERIALS, UH, AS COMMENTED, BASICALLY, CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS WHICH ARE PERMITTED ON INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
UH, JUST ONLY QUESTION I HAD, THE HARDY PLANK IS IT'S SMOOTH.
IT NEEDS TO BE SMOOTH, HARDY PLANK.
UH, ANYTHING FURTHER? SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO COME BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
A LITTLE BIT, AND I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED HOW THE, WE'VE GOT A CORNER PROPERTY.
THERE MAY BE A BIT THORNY SOMETIMES TO DEAL WITH IN TERMS OF, UH, AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN, BUT, UH, IT, IT FULFILLS A GENERAL NEED FOR, UM, THE BUILDING FRONT END THE STREET ON THE TWO PRIMARY STREETS.
UM, PARKING IS GENERALLY IN THE SECONDARY AREA, A VISUAL CONCERN OR TERTIARY, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANT TO DEFINE IT.
AND, AND MAYBE MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT'S FAIR IN A LOVE OF THOUGHT WAS GIVEN TO THE, UM, LOCATION OF THE, THE GARAGE DOORS AND HOW THOSE AREN'T PROMINENT FROM ANY PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND, AND SO, UH, I, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL IMPORTANT ATTRIBUTES TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY DO ALIGN WITH OUR, UH, STANDARDS.
AND I KNOW TO APPRECIATE THE LIST BLACK BLANK WALLS BY ADDING SOME WINDOWS.
UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? UH, THERE WERE, THERE WERE, THERE WERE TWO COMMENTS, UH, CONCERNING HARD SERVICES, FLOODING AND TRAFFIC.
UH, WE, WE HAVE TO STICK WITH, WITH OUR JURISDICTION, WHICH IS PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.
AND THE, THE GUIDELINES, UH, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT ADDRESSES SPECIFICALLY TRAFFIC AND HARD SURFACES FLOODING.
UH, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING IN THE GUIDELINES FOR THAT.
SO WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER THOSE TWO THINGS.
IF WE'RE DONE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I, I DO WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING, MR. SHARE.
UM, I THINK AT OUR DESIGN AND, AND APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING TO THE DESIGN REVIEW SO MANY TIMES AND, AND GOING OVER THIS PROJECT, BUT THE LAST TIME THAT WE MET THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LIGHTING AND ABOUT SETBACKS AND APPEARS THAT BOTH OF THOSE HAVE BEEN SQUARED AWAY.
AND I THINK THE NEW ENTRANCE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT LENGTH AS WELL.
AND I THINK THAT THAT REFLECTS APPROPRIATELY TOO.
I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THOSE WERE OUR COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
UM, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR THE PROJECT AT 500 QUEEN STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE NEW BURNS CODE OF ORDINANCES.
SECTIONS 15.411 THROUGH 15.429 AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDING EFFECT, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS 2.1, 0.1 2.1 0.2, AND 2.1 0.3.
UTILITIES, 2.3 0.1 2.3 0.2 2.3 0.3 AND 2.3 0.6.
LANDSCAPING 2.4, 2.43 AND 2.44.
FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6.
DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.12, 3.14, 3.15.
INFILL CONSTRUCTION, 3.4 0.1, 3.4 0.2 3.4 0.4 FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 POINT WALLS, TRIMS AND ORNAMENTATION.
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EXCUSE ME, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS OF 4.32 AND 4.3 0.3.ACCESSIBILITY AND LIFE SAFETY, 4.7 0.2.
PAINT 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3 5.4 0.4 5.4 0.6.
AND CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.553 AND FIVE SIX.
THE FINDING OF FACTS BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATIONS ARE THAT THIS PROJECT AT THIS ADDRESS IS AN INFILL TWO-STORY BUILDING WITH A DETACHED TWO-STORY GARAGE AND PARKING LOT THAT PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, FORMALLY KNOWN AS GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
AND THE CONDITION THAT I WOULD PUT ON THAT IS THAT IF THERE ARE ANY DESIGNS IN ANY CHANGE IN THE DESIGNS, UH, BEFORE OR DURING CONSTRUCTION, THAT THOSE ARE ALL RUN THROUGH OUR, UM, H THE ADMINISTRATOR, UM, AS, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SECOND MOTIONS MADE AND SECONDED.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION TO ISSUE A COA.
ALL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I GOT THE SECOND ON THAT, BUT THERE WERE THREE OF YOU THAT MO MADE THE MOTION.
SO WHICH ONE WANTS TO TAKE IT? YEAH, I THINK IT, IT'S ME, JOHN.
I KIND OF HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT I'LL BE SEEING YOU ALL AGAIN.
[5.C. 507 George St. – to include a significant remodel of the structure and site improvements including, but not limited to: removing one-story rear addition, front porch and façade revisions; replacing vinyl and wood windows with new wood windows; revisions to the siding; revisions to the side porch and rear addition; addition of a new rear wood porch, new wood fencing and gate, new paved driveway extension, and new landscaping - all the work in all the AVCs.]
THE SECOND HEARING, WHICH IS 5 0 7 GEORGE STREET.IT'S A REMODEL OF A STRUCTURE THAT WAS A VERY CLEAR, NICE, SHORT, CONCISE WAY OF DESCRIBING THAT ONE COMPARED TO MINE.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, APPLICATION FOR, UH, 5 0 7 GEORGE STREET, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, CDS VENTURES, LLC.
UH, IT PROVIDED SOME, UH, DESCRIPTION HERE IN SECTION ONE OR NUMBER TWO, ONE, UH, NUMBER TWO TWO.
AND THEN, UH, THE, WITH THE, UM, GUIDELINES OR STANDARDS AND SECTION TWO THREE, UH, SOME OF THE MATERIALS, UH, MADE SOME APPROPRIATE CHECK MARKS AND IS ASSIGNED BY THE OWNER, UH, MR. GRATZ.
UH, AND HE ALSO PROVIDED A SEPARATE, UM, UH, MULTI-PAGE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT, UM, BY THE, BY AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN.
SO HE STARTED WITH THE PRIMARY AREA VISUAL CONCERN.
AND, UH, A COUPLE OF THE ONES TO POINT OUT THAT ARE THE MOST, UH, UH, SIGNIFICANT ARE THE REMOVAL OF VINYL WINDOWS REPLACED WITH SOLID WOOD WINDOWS, UH, AND, UH, UH, CHANGING OUT THE FRONT DOOR, UM, CHANGING OUT THE, UH, THE STAIRWAY RAILING THERE, UH, AND, UH, ADDING SOME WOOD WRAP TO THE EXISTING COLUMNS.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDING SOME FENCING WITH A GATE ACROSS THE FRONT, UH, ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY, UH, BUT BEHIND THE, UH, FRONT CORNER, UM, MOVING THE ELECTRICAL BOX OFF THE FRONT PORCH.
UM, REMOVING PAINT ON THE BRICK AND MOVING THE UPSTAIRS RIGHT WINDOW.
UH, AND LET'S SEE, REFINISHING THE EXISTING METAL ROOF, INSTALLING THE FRONT PORCH AND FAN AND PORCH LIGHT, AND REMOVING THE FAKE PLASTIC SHUTTERS WITH THE SECONDARY AREA.
VISUAL CONCERN, THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH WOULD ALSO BE THE LEFT SIDE FROM THE FRONT.
UH, REMOVING THE WINDOWS, AGAIN, REPAIRING THE PORCH AND PUT NEW WOOD RAILINGS AND COLUMNS IN PLACE.
UH, REPAIRING ALL FACIAL BOARDS.
UH, TRY TO REMOVE THE PAINT FROM THE CHIMNEYS AND, UH, TO BRING IT BACK TO THE NATURAL BRICK APPEARANCE OR NATURAL BRICK SURFACE.
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UH, THE WOOD FENCING WILL BE IN THIS, UH, A VC, UH, REMOVING ONE WINDOW ON THE SECOND FLOOR, ADDING A PORCH LIGHT NEAR THE DOOR AND ADDING AC UNITS, MINI SPLITS, UH, SCREEN FROM VIEW WITH A NEW FENCE AND THE EXISTING SHRUBBERY.UH, THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, ELEVATION, UH, SECONDARY AREA VISUAL CONCERN.
UM, THEY, HE DESCRIBES REMOVING THE VINYL WINDOWS AND REPLACING WITH WOOD WINDOWS AGAIN.
AND, UH, UH, SOME WOOD FENCING AS WELL ON THE REAR OR TERTIARY AREA OF VISUAL CONCERN.
THE WEST ELEVATION, AGAIN, UH, SWITCHING OUT THE VINYL WINDOWS WITH SOLID WOOD WINDOWS.
UH, INSTALLING A NEW WOOD FRAME DECK, UH, WITH, UH, SOME WOOD PRIVACY LATTICE AND WOOD HANDRAILS AND RAILING AND INSTALL THE FENCE WILL CONTINUE INTO THE, UM, TO THE TERTIARY AREA, A NEW BACK DECK.
AND IT, UH, WELL, I THINK YOU ALREADY SAID THAT.
SO, UM, HE CITES THE VARIOUS GUIDELINES HERE THAT WOULD APPLY TO HIS PROJECT.
AND WE HAVE THE Z AND I, UH, FORM HERE.
AND IN THIS CASE, UH, A ZONING PERMIT IS REQUIRED, UH, PARTICULARLY REGARDING THE, THE SETBACK AT THE DECK, I THINK IN PARTICULAR, BUT ALSO AT SOME POINT, UH, IN GENERAL.
UH, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS INDICATED THAT IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT WITH THE EXISTING.
UM, AND THERE IS ALREADY AN EXISTING BUILDING PERMIT THAT'S BEEN ISSUED FOR THE INTERIOR.
UM, IT WILL BE AMENDED TO REFLECT THE ADDITIONAL WORK FOR THE EXTERIOR.
UH, WE PROVIDE HERE AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE, UM, SITE AND ITS SURROUNDINGS.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE IS A LITTLE BIT TIGHT, UM, BUT NOT TOO BAD.
THERE'S A LARGER SPACE TO THE NORTH.
UM, UH, AND, UM, UH, SOME OPEN SPACE AROUND THE BACK.
UH, HE HAS THE HOUSES SITUATED ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF HIS LOT, SO HE ALSO HAS SOME OPEN SPACE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HIS LOT BEFORE, UH, A NEIGHBOR ON THAT SIDE.
THIS IS, UH, AN EXPANDED VIEW IN CASE WE WANNA REFERENCE ANYTHING IN MORE DETAIL.
AND THESE ARE SOME 2015, UH, STREET VIEW SHOTS.
THAT'S THE EARLIEST OR THE MOST RECENT ONES THAT THEY HAVE ONLINE.
UH, SO IF WE NEED TO REFERENCE ANYTHING, SAY FROM 10 YEARS AGO,
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN SEE, UH, IT NEVER, IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY, UH, PORCH RAILING AT THAT TIME EITHER.
AND FROM THE SIDE, SAME, SAME TIME PERIOD, UH, AT THAT PIPE HANDRAIL AT THE TIME.
BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE IT, THAT WE WON'T SEE TODAY IS, UH, THERE WAS AN ADDITION AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST THAT EXISTED IN 2015.
UH, THIS LITTLE ONE STORY ADDITION, AND IT APPARENTLY IS WHAT CAUSED THE, UH, THE BUMP OUT IN THE PARCEL LINE, UH, IN ORDER TO, UM, TAKE CARE OF THAT AT SOME POINT.
UH, AND SO THAT'S ALSO, UH, PART OF HIS PROJECT IS THE DEMOLITION OF THAT LITTLE PIECE.
UM, THESE ALSO SHOW SOME OF THE OTHER IMAGES FROM 10 YEARS AGO.
AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE, UH, CHIMNEYS WERE PAINTED UNLESS THAT'S RED PAINT.
AND NOW THIS IS MORE RECENT FROM THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THESE PHOTOGRAPHS.
SO THIS WAS, UH, NOT TOO LONG AGO, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO MAYBE.
HERE WE HAVE, UH, WHAT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A NATURAL BRICK ON THERE ON THAT ONE.
IT'S PAINTED RED, BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE THE JOINTS IT'S LAYING OFF.
AND SO, UM, ON THIS PHOTO TO NOTE A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE IS, UH, THIS WINDOW ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, HE'S
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PROPOSING TO CLOSE THAT WINDOW IN AND COVER IT WITH SIDING.UH, THIS AIR CONDITIONING UNIT IS TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A MINI SPLIT THAT WILL BE ATTACHED, I THINK, UH, UH, BEHIND THIS PORTION OF THIS BUSH HERE ON THE, ON THE LEFT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THIS VIEW THE, UM, UH, THIS PORCH IS SUPPORTED BY SOME OF THESE, UM, METAL, UH, CAST IRON METAL RAIL RAILINGS OR CAST IRON METAL POSTS, DECORATIVE POSTS THAT WERE, UH, POPULAR IN THE FIFTIES.
UM, THE CONCRETE STEPS, YOU SEE, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE A BETTER VIEW OF THIS, BUT THE CONCRETE STEPS WILL REMAIN, BUT HE'S, UH, PLANNING ON REPLACING THOSE, UH, THOSE METAL COLUMNS WITH, UH, UH, WOODEN ONES OR WRAPPING OR, OR WRAPPING THEM.
I DO COLUMNS ON ONES JUST TO HOLD COLUMNS.
OH, HERE WE HAVE MUCH BETTER VIEW OF IT.
UM, UH, TO NOTE, UH, OTHER THAN WHAT I ALREADY MENTIONED IS THIS WINDOW ON THE LEFT, YOU'LL SEE IN ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS, AND THE DOOR HERE TO THE INTERIOR HAS A, UM, BOARD, UH, A WOODEN BOARD, UH, COMING OUT THE DOORWAY.
THAT WILL BE A REFERENCE FOR YOU FOR THAT OTHER PHOTOGRAPH WE'LL SEE IN A FEW MINUTES.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW HIGH THIS FLOOR IS ABOVE THE, UH, ABOVE THE GRADE.
SO THERE'S THAT BOARD I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
SO THIS RIGHT OFF THE PHOTOGRAPH TO THE LEFT IS THE DOORWAY OUT TO THE PORCH.
SO THIS IS AN EXTERIOR WALL HERE ON THE LEFT, AND THERE'S THAT WINDOW I WAS POINTING AT BEFORE.
UH, AND NOW ON THE INSIDE WITH THE WALL, WITH THE WALL SURFACES REMOVED, YOU CAN SEE THERE USED TO BE ANOTHER WINDOW HERE.
AND ALONG THIS BACK WALL THERE WERE A SERIES OF WINDOWS.
SO THIS APPARENTLY WAS SOMETHING LIKE A SUNROOM AT ONE TIME IN THE PAST.
UM, HE INTENDS TO KEEP THIS AS A SUNROOM, CORRECT? YEAH, BUT I ONLY HAVE, UM, TWO WINDOWS IN THERE.
UM, SO THESE, UM, WILL BE REARRANGED, I BELIEVE.
UH, WE'LL SEE ON THAT, ON THE ELEVATION.
AND THIS IS WHERE THIS BIG OPENING HERE IS WHERE THAT ADDITION HAD BEEN AND HAS BEEN REMOVED.
AND SO THIS IS A BLANK SLATE, SO TO SAY, IN TERMS OF WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
UH, SO WE HAVE THAT PORCH ON THE RIGHT, UM, ABORTED UP DOOR HERE, OR OR WINDOW.
AND THEN THAT WINDOW I WAS MENTIONING IN THAT DOORWAY.
UM, HERE AS WELL, THESE STEPS WILL BE REMOVED BECAUSE HE IS GOING TO BE BUILDING A DECK OUT HERE.
AND THEN ALSO TO NOTE HERE IS THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOW.
THIS IS ANOTHER INTERIOR VIEW AS WE'RE ROTATING AROUND.
UM, AND WE CAN SEE A, A BOARDED UP WINDOW ON THIS SIDE.
I THINK IT WILL BE LIBERATED IN HIS EFFORTS.
SO, UM, HERE WE SEE THERE'S THAT BOARDED UP WINDOW I JUST MENTIONED.
THIS IS THE, UH, THE OPENING FROM THE REMOVAL OF THE, UH, ADDITION.
AND THEN WE HAVE THREE OTHER WINDOWS ON THE MAIN HOUSE ON THIS SIDE THAT HAVE BEEN BOARDED UP.
THIS IS A DETAIL, UM, WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE SIDING REMOVED THAN I THINK THE LAST TIME WE SAW, ALTHOUGH MAYBE WE SAW THIS ONE IN THE DESIGN REVIEW.
I'M NOT SURE, UM, TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF THE CONDITION OF THE WOOD SIDING UNDERNEATH.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE STRIP FROM THE, UH, ALUMINUM SIDING AND SOME REMAINING PIECES OF ALUMINUM SIDING HERE THAT WERE OVER TOP OF ALL THIS, UH, UNTIL RECENTLY.
AND THERE WE, NOW WE CAN SEE HOW THE, UH, BRICK, UH, CHIMNEY IS PAINTED RED.
UM, HE'S ALSO PROVIDED A, A NEW AERIAL, UM, SITE PLAN, UH, THAT SHOWS THE FULL SITE, UH, AND THE LOCATION IN THE BROWN LINE IS THE LOCATION OF THE FENCE.
YOU SEE IT STARTS BEHIND THE FRONT FACE OF THE, UH, FRONT OF THE HOUSE, GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND AND THEN TO THE, SO TO THIS CORNER OF THE, UH, NEW DECK.
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THE DECK HAS BEEN CUT BACK, THE CORNER'S BEEN CUT BACK TO CREATE A SIX FOOT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE CLOSEST CORNER AND THE, AND THE EDGE OF THE DECK.UH, AND, UM, THE OTHER DIMENSIONS ARE QUITE SIGN SIGNIFICANT.
UH, THE OTHER PIECE THAT CHANGED WAS THIS, UH, RECTANGLE HERE.
HE IDENTIFIES AS STAIRS, UH, WHICH IS THE STAIRS TO THE DECK.
WE'LL SEE THAT IN A MINUTE IN ELEVATION.
SO HERE ARE HIS FLOOR PLANS AND UH, THE LEFT IS THE FIRST FLOOR, AND THE RIGHT IS THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND SO THAT LEFT SHOWS THAT SUNROOM I MENTIONED.
UM, HE'S PLANNING A LAUNDRY AND HOT WATER IN THIS CORNER.
UH, BUT, AND THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT'S, UH, RELEVANT HERE EXACTLY IS THE LOCATION OF THE STAIRS.
I BELIEVE THESE ARE NEW STAIRS, IS THAT CORRECT? OR ARE THESE THE OLD ONES? THEY WERE IN THERE WHENEVER I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, BUT THEY KNOW.
MAYBE WE COULD HAVE YOU COME UP AND STAND AT THE MICROPHONE AND AS I KEEP ASKING YOU THE WHOLE TIME, OR NO, WHAT'S THAT? YOU WANT ME TO BE UP HERE THE WHOLE TIME OR? SURE, SURE.
SO, UM, GO AHEAD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF WHILE YOU'RE THERE.
UH, MY NAME IS ANDREW GRADS AND ADDRESS.
YEP, 1808 RIVER DRIVE NEWBURN.
SO, UM, UH, LET'S SEE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, REMEMBER, UH, HE'S REQUESTING TO BE ABLE TO CLOSE IN ONE OF THE WINDOWS OR ONE OF THOSE.
THAT WINDOW HAPPENS TO BE IN THIS BATHTUB AREA HERE.
UH, AND SO THAT'S WHY HE WANTS TO CLOSE THAT WINDOW.
UM, WHAT ELSE WE GOT? GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.
SO NOW THESE ARE SOME GOOD SKETCHES OF HIS PROPOSAL.
I'M GONNA MAKE 'EM LARGER SO CAN SEE MORE OF THE DETAIL.
PLUS IT, THE LINE WORK IS A LITTLE BIT LIGHT.
SO, UM, THIS OBVIOUSLY IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WITH THE PORCH.
UM, HE'S INTENDING TO, LET'S START AT THE TOP, UM, UH, REMOVE THAT VENT, UH, BY COVERING IT WITH NEW SIDING, I SUPPOSE.
AND THEN MOVE THE, UH, RIGHT HAND WINDOW OVER SO THAT THE TWO WINDOWS ARE SYMMETRICAL.
UH, THEN HE'S ADDING A CEILING FAN ON THE FRONT PORCH.
UH, HE'S REPLACING THAT FRONT, FRONT DOOR, UM, WITH A NEW PANEL DOOR.
THE EXISTING ONE, I BELIEVE IS A FIBERGLASS DOOR.
UH, HE'S ADDING NEW WOOD RAILING FOR THREE SIDES OF THE PORCH.
AND THEN, UH, HAND WOOD HANDRAIL.
UM, FOR THE STEPS, UH, THE, I FORGOT TO MENTION, UM, HE'S, UM, THE CURRENT ROUND COLUMNS ARE TO BE ENCASED IN, UH, WOOD.
YOU'RE STILL PLANNING ON DOING THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
I WANNA SEE KIND OF THE CONDITION OF 'EM WHENEVER I START REMOVING THE PAINT OFF THE FRONT.
AND IF THEY'RE SAVEABLE, I'LL KEEP 'EM, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, I WAS PLANNING ON WRAPPING 'EM.
I JUST WANTED TO PUT, EVEN THOUGH THE SKETCH DOESN'T QUITE SHOW IT, UH, LIKE THAT, UM, YOU'RE PLANNING ON IT, THEM BEING SOMEWHAT THE TAPERED KIND OF DESIGN WHERE THE BOTTOM IS WIDER THAN THE TOP? UM, YEAH.
UM, THESE, UM, CORNER PIERS AND THE PIER FOR THIS OTHER COLUMN, UH, THOSE ARE ALL EXISTING INCLUDING THIS, UH, WHAT YOU SHOW AS A RED, UM, CAP TO THOSE, CORRECT? YEAH, THOSE ARE EXISTING PIECES.
THOSE ARE BRICK AND THEN UNDERNEATH THIS CENTER BLOCK, SO I JUST MM-HMM
WHENEVER I TAKE THE PAINT OFF, IT'LL SHOW THE BRICK.
AND THEN WE ALSO SEE ON THE LEFT THE, UH, NEW FENCE THAT HE'S PROPOSING.
THE REST, UH, REMAINS SUCH AS THE, UH, LEFT UPPER LEFT WINDOW, THE LOWER LEFT WINDOW, THE, UH, RE RETAINING WALL AND SUCH.
SO THE SIDE, LEFT SIDE, UM, THIS MEANS THAT ON THE RIGHT WE SEE THE FRONT PORCH FROM THE SIDE.
UH, AND, UM, THEN AS WE PROGRESS FROM RIGHT TO LEFT, UH, THE ONE WINDOW THAT HE WANTS TO CLOSE IN WOULD BE THIS ONE, UH, RIGHT HERE, WHICH, UH, UM, OBVIOUSLY IS NOT SHOWN ANYMORE.
SO THE, UH, SO THE EXISTING AIR CONDITIONING UNIT IS HERE AND THEY WANT TO, UM, CREATE A NEW CRAWLSPACE ACCESS THERE, SINCE THEY HAVE THE HOLE THERE ANYWAY.
UH, BUT THE UNIT WILL BE GONE.
AND THEN THE NEW AIR CONDITIONING, UH, UNITS WILL ACTUALLY BE IN FRONT OF THE FRONT, UM, CHIMNEY, NOT THE BACK ONE, AS I, AS I INDICATED EARLIER, OR, OR IN FRONT OF THIS WINDOW AS I INDICATED EARLIER.
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UM, LET'S SEE.AND THEN TOWARDS THE LEFT WE SEE, UH, THE RAILING AROUND, UH, THE SIDE PORCH, WHICH THEN EXTENDS ONTO THE DECK AROUND THE BACK.
UH, AND HERE WE SEE THE SIDE VIEW OF THE NEW STEPS OUT BACK, UH, FROM THE DECK OUT BACK.
THERE'S ALSO A PORCH LIGHT HERE FOR THE PORCH, AND IT DOESN'T SHOW AS WELL, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ROOF OVER THE, THE EXISTING ROOF, OVER THE EXISTING PORCH.
AND THEN THE NEW, UH, WOOD COLUMNS THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT INSTEAD OF THE METAL ONES, UM, MIGHT BE A LITTLE PROPORTION PROBLEM TO THE SKETCH, BUT YOU GET THE IDEA ALL NEXT IS THE BACK.
THIS ONE, UM, I GUESS WE CAN START AT THE TOP.
UH, THERE IS ONLY ONE WINDOW ON THE BACK, SO, UM, AND HE'S PLANNING ON JUST LIBERATING IT FROM ITS, UH, PLYWOOD AND REPLACING IT WITH THE, UH, NEW WOOD WINDOWS.
UM, THE, I GUESS WE'LL START ON THE LEFT.
UM, SO WE HAVE THE NEW DECK, UM, SHOWN ON, ADDED TO THE BACK WITH SOME RAILING.
THIS WOULD BE THAT ANGLED PORTION HERE, UH, WITH A, A SHORT STRAIGHT PORTION, AND THEN THE STEPS ACROSS THE BOTTOM HERE.
SO FOR A VERY WIDE OPENING AND VERY WIDE STEPS ACROSS THERE.
UH, THE DOOR, THE NEW DOOR IN THAT OPENING, THE NEW WINDOW, UH, WELL, THAT WINDOW THAT WAS IN THE CORNER, I GUESS, UH, YOU'RE REPLACING IT WITH A NEW WOOD WINDOW? NO, YEAH, JUST THAT WAS A WOOD WINDOW.
SO ARE YOU REPLACE, YOU'RE GOING TO REPLACE THAT WINDOW WITH NEW WOOD WINDOW.
SO THERE, THERE'S ONE WINDOW THAT'S ALREADY THERE, BUT THERE WAS, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE FROM THE BACK, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'VE ALREADY, LIKE THE ALUMINUM SIDING IS OVER ALL THE WINDOWS BESIDES YEP, YEP, YEP.
UM, THE TWO, BUT THE ONE ON THE LEFT, YEAH, I WAS ELIMINATING.
'CAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE, UM, WITH THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION WHERE, WHERE THE DOOR IS TO PUT ANOTHER ONE THERE, UH, IT JUST WOULD BE EASIER TO, UM, REMOVE IT, TO BE HONEST.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE, LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE HOW IT IS, THERE'S ONLY LIKE A ONE BY FOUR.
AND NOW IT'S GONNA BE A ONE BY SIX WALL TO ALLOW FOR THE, UM, NEW FOUNDATION AND JUST, IT, IT JUST WOULDN'T WORK OUT.
AND SO YOUR NOTE HERE SAYS CENTERING THE WINDOW, YOU MEAN CENTERING IT BETWEEN THE TWO CORNERS? YEAH, SO THERE'S, THERE'S ONE EXISTING, I WOULD JUST PUT IT IN THE CENTER OF THE, UH, THE HOUSE, OR I COULD PUT IT UNDER THE OTHER ONE TO KIND OF MAKE IT STRAIGHT.
THE ONE THAT'S IN THE MM-HMM
UM, BUT I JUST CENTERED IT 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I JUST FIGURED IT WOULD BE MORE HIGH APPEALING, BUT IT KIND OF WOULD LOOK BETTER IF IT WAS NOW LOOKING AT IT LINED UP WITH THE OTHER ONE.
UH, BUT WE THEN HE ALSO HAS ONE OF HIS, UH, PORCH LIGHTS HERE AT THE, AT THE DOOR.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE SIDE VIEW OF THE PORCH LIGHT ON THAT SIDE.
AND THEN THE SIDE VIEW OF THE PORCH RAILING, UH, ACTUALLY BEYOND THE CORNER, UH, BACK NEAR THE CHIMNEY, UM, IS WHERE THAT RAILING IS.
AND THEN YOU SEE THE HAND RAILING FOR THE, UM, EXISTING CONCRETE STEPS OVER HERE.
THEN THE OTHER SIDE, THE RIGHT SIDE OR THE NORTH SIDE, UH, YOU SEE THE FRONT PORCH ON THE LEFT.
AND HERE YOU SEE THE HAND RAILING FOR THE FRONT PORCH.
THE RAILING FOR THE, UH, PORCH, UH, THE FAN, THE LIGHT.
AND THEN, UH, ALL THREE WINDOWS HERE, UH, ARE IN THE SAME LOCATION, JUST, UH, REPLACING THE VINYL WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS.
AND THEN, UH, THAT OTHER WINDOW HERE AT THE BOTTOM, UH, THE OPENING FOR THE ADDITION HAS JUST BEEN COVERED OVER WITH SIDING.
UH, AND HERE WE SEE THE, UH, BACK PORCH WHERE, UM, COMES OUT AND HAS AN ANGLED PIECE, RIGHT.
UH, AND UNDERNEATH THE, UH, FLOOR, UNDERNEATH THE PORCH IS, UH, THIS LATTICE WORK.
AND THEN THE, THE FENCE WAY IN THE BACKGROUND IS, UH, SHOWN HERE IN THE BACKGROUND.
UM, YOU WANTED TO SHOW A BLOW, A BLOWN UP VIEW OF THE SIDE PORCH 'CAUSE IT, UH, DIDN'T, DIDN'T COME OUT SO WELL IN SUCH SMALL, UH, SKETCH BEFORE.
SO HERE WE SEE THE, UH, THE NEW WOOD COLUMNS FOR THAT SIDE PORCH.
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UH, THE NEW RAILING, UM, THE, UM, THE PORCH LIGHT FOR THE BACK, SOMETHING OF, OH, CENTERING OF THE WINDOW HERE ON THIS SIDE.THE NEW, UH, BACK DOOR AND THE PORCH LIGHT HERE AS WELL.
AND THEN YOU GET A LITTLE BIT, UH, CLOSE, A LOT CLOSER UP VIEW OF THE BACK DECK WITH THE, UH, LATTICE WORK UNDERNEATH IT.
HERE HE HAS SOME DETAILS OF THE, UH, FENCING.
UH, SO A MAXIMUM OF SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND THE, UH, RAILING, UH, FOR THE PORCHES AND THE DECK IS, UH, SHOWS THE, UH, THE TOP BOARD, TWO BY FOUR SIDES, TWO BY FOUR OH SIDEWAYS, ANOTHER TWO BY FOUR, SIDEWAYS ON THE BOTTOM WITH THREE INCH SPACING, AND THEN A WINDOW EXAMPLE.
SO THAT'S THE WOOD WINDOW HE'S PLANNING ON USING, AND THE CEILING FAN AND THE PORCH LIGHTS.
AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR STAFF REPORT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? UH, NO, I, I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS IT UP FOR ME.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WAS INTERESTED IN MAKING A COMMENT AS A PROPONENT OF THE PROJECT, WHO RECEIVED A LETTER? ANYONE WHO RECEIVED A LETTER, WHO IS AN OPPONENT TO THE PROJECT, AND ANYONE ELSE WHO IS PARTICULARLY IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT AND WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
OH, ONE THING THAT I DID CHANGE FROM, UH, OUR MEETING WAS, UM, I, I'M GONNA END UP REMOVING THE ALUMINUM SIDING AND TRYING TO, UH, REPAIR AND REPLACE THE, THE WOOD THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING THERE.
SO SOME OF IT MUST LOOK BETTER THAN THAT PICTURE THEN, HOPEFULLY
SORRY, GOT A LITTLE CARRIED AWAY THERE.
UH, SO THIS IS THE STAFF REPORT.
FOR CDC D'S VENTURES, LLC FOR THE PROJECT AT 5 0 7 GEORGE STREET, IT IS, UH, IT'S HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE SMITH HOUSE.
IT IS CONTRIBUTING, UH, AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION, UH, DESCRIBES IT AS TWO STORIES, TWO BAYS WIDE, THREE BAYS DEEP, TWO OVER TWO SASH, WHICH WAS IN 2003, TWO OVER TWO SASH FRONT PORCH WITH ROUND POSTS ON CONCRETE BLOCK PIERS, ALUMINUM SIDING, METAL CLAD GABLE FRONT ROOF, TWO EXTERIOR CHIMNEYS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HOUSE AND SAND.
BECK DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS HOUSE IN 1988.
SO THE PROJECT FOR 5 0 7 GEORGE STREET IS TO INCLUDE A SIGNIFICANT REMODEL OF THE STRUCTURE AND SET IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO REMOVING A ONE STORY REAR ADDITION FRONT PORCH AND FACADE REVISIONS, REPLACING VINYL AND WOOD WIND, VINYL AND WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS.
REVISIONS TO THE SIDING AS HE JUST EXPLAINED, I GUESS, REVISIONS TO THE SIDE, PORCH AND REAR ADDITION, ADDITION OF A NEW REAR WOOD PORCH AND NEW WOOD FENCING AND GATE.
STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION ARE UTILITIES.
UM, WERE YOU PROPOSING TO SCREEN THE MECHANICAL UNITS WITH LANDSCAPING? UM, THERE'S ALREADY THE EXISTING SHRUBBERY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL THE PICTURE UP, BUT IT'S PRETTY LARGE.
AND THEN THE WOOD FENCE AS WELL.
ANY OTHER LANDSCAPING? UM, NO, THAT'S THE ONLY THING.
SO THEN THE SHRUBBERY IS LIKE 10 FOOT HIGH ALMOST.
AND, OKAY, SO WE CAN STRIKE THIS ONE.
UH, FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.1 AND THREE
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DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO AND FOUR FOR MODIFICATIONS.3.2 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR FOUNDATIONS.
AND UM, ARE YOU ADDING ANY OTHER VENTS OR ACCESS DOORS? UM, NO.
SO, UM, BECAUSE HE IS PLANNING ON USING THE ONE THAT'S THE ONE OPENING THAT'S ALREADY THERE, I THINK WE WOULD STRIKE THIS ONE.
WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.2 AND THREE FOR ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.1 AND FOUR FOR DECKS AND PATIOS, 4.6 0.2 AND THREE.
UH, AND FOR 4.6 0.4, I'M NOT SURE HOW LOW THE PROFILE WAS.
AND IF HE WANTS TO REMOVE THE HANDRAILS INSTEAD OF BUILDING THEM, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND 30 INCHES, SO, UM, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO JUST LEAVE THAT IN THERE IN CASE HE CHOOSES TO DO OTHERWISE.
BUT CURRENTLY THE PRO THE, UH, PROJECT, UH, INCLUDES HANDRAILS.
SO, UH, MASONRY 5.1, 0.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX FOR WOOD.
5, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, AND EIGHT FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS.
5, 5, 4, UM, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT ABOLISHES ALUMINUM SIDING AND MASON AND THOSE KINDS OF MATERIALS.
UM, MASONRY MAINTENANCE, 6.1, 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR WOOD MAINTENANCE, 6.1 0.56 AND SEVEN FOR METAL MAINTENANCE, 6.19 AND 10 FOR PAINT MAINTENANCE, 6.1 POINT 11, 12 AND 13.
AND PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
6.2 0.2, THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE.
THE STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFFS JUDGMENT.
R ONE, THE APPLICATION IS FOR SIGNIFICANT REVISIONS TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
THREE, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FOUR, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
SO THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING OR PRESENTED AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL BY STAFF OR THE HPC ACCORDING TO THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NO, SIR.
UM, MEMBERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON, I WAS PRESENTED, I I HAVE A QUESTION.
YOU TALKED ABOUT SCREENING FOR THOSE, UH, HVAC FOR THOSE MINI SPLITS.
CAN WE SEE THAT, THAT PHOTO AGAIN? YEP.
TO SEE WHAT THAT SCREEN LOOKS LIKE.
WHILE HE'S LOOKING FOR THAT, HOW, HOW ARE YOU GONNA TRY TO REMOVE THE PAINT FROM THOSE BRICKS? UM, I MEAN, IT SAYS IN THE GUIDELINES THAT I CAN ONLY, AND I'VE TALKED TO MATT ABOUT THIS, HE SAID THAT I CAN ONLY USE LIKE CHEMICALS WITH LIKE A SOFT WASH KIND OF, YEAH.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL WORK WELL OR NOT, BUT IT'S WORTH A SHOT, I GUESS.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD SOME SECRET THAT YOU WERE WILLING TO SHARE WITH US.
WELL, YOU HAVE SOME PAINT TO REMOVE YOURSELF, MAYBE
SO THERE'S THE IMAGE YOU WERE LOOKING FOR, I BELIEVE, TO THE RIGHT OF THE, OR WERE YOU LOOKING FOR THE SKETCH? NO, TH THIS IS IT.
SO IN, IN RELATION TO THIS, IS THE, IS THE UNITS ARE THERE GONNA BE ON THE, UM, EAST SIDE OF THAT CHIMNEY WHERE RIGHT, WHERE THE BIG BUSH IS? YEAH.
LOOKING AT RIGHT WHERE THE BIG BUSH IS, RIGHT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE RIGHT CHIMNEY.
IS THAT BUSH STAYING OR IS THAT BUSH LEAVE? I MEAN, I MIGHT TRIMM IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S GONNA STAY, YEAH.
AND THAT BUSH THAT'S IN FRONT OF THAT, THAT ONE THAT'S KIND OF CLOSER TO THE ROAD, THAT ONE'S STAYING AS WELL? UH, YES SIR.
WELL, YOUR FENCE IS GONNA BE IN THERE TOO.
DOES THAT PUSH THE, THE FENCE? THE FENCE WILL PROBABLY BE RIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S A FOUR FOOT FENCE RIGHT THROUGH THERE? UH, I, I HAVE IT AS A SIX FOOT, UH, FENCE.
I GUESS THAT'S SECONDARY MM-HMM
AND, UM, I, I WILL ADD THAT, UH, THE,
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THE CONTRACTOR, THE MECHANICAL UNIT CONTRACTOR ALSO HAD SEVERAL WEEKS AGO SUBMITTED AN APP, UH, NOT AN APPLICATION, BUT A DESCRIPTION OF THE WORK FOR THAT.AND HE INDICATED THAT ALL THE LINE SETS WERE GOING TO BE IN THE WALLS BECAUSE YOUR WALLS ARE OPEN MM-HMM
ON THE INSIDE, SO THEY WON'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE OUTSIDE.
BUT, UM, JUST TO MAKE THE, IN CASE THERE WAS AN ISSUE, THE, UH, POINTING OUT THAT THE UNITS, THE MINI SPLIT UNITS ARE BEING ATTACHED TO THE SIDE OF THE WALL HERE, YOU SEE ABOUT AT WINDOW HEIGHT.
I DIDN'T REALLY MAKE THAT TOO PROPORTIONATE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW HIGH HE HAS TO GO OFF THE GROUND OR IF THERE'S ANY CODES.
I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH MECHANICAL.
SO NORMALLY THEY END UP ON THE GROUND, UH, BUT ONLY WHEN IT'S UNDER UNUSUAL OR WELL, DIFFERENT CIRCUM CIRCUMSTANCES, THEY WERE, IT'S IN THE FLOOD ZONE, SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE HOUSE IN THE FLOOD ZONE, SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT OFF THE GROUND A LITTLE BIT.
NOT THAT IT, HOPEFULLY IT WILL EVER FLOOD, BUT WELL, SO THEY CAN'T BE MOUNTED ON THE HOUSE.
UH, I I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE FLOOD ZONE.
I THINK IT'S IN THE FLOOD ZONE X THE 500 YEAR? YEAH.
THERE, UH, FOR THAT, THAT ZONE, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR, UM, OKAY.
ELEVATING, UH, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT MM-HMM
UM, BUT DOESN'T MEAN IT ISN'T A GOOD IDEA 'CAUSE IT, IT 500 YEARS HAPPENS EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS
SO, UM, UH, AND I WAS, UH, JUST GONNA CHECK THE ZONING, UH, AND INSPECTIONS HERE.
UM, HE WOULD'VE MENTIONED IT IF IT WERE IN THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD ZONE AND HE DOESN'T.
SO, SO DESPITE, NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT THOSE, YOU'RE THINKING THAT BETWEEN THE FENCE AND, AND THE, UH, THE EXISTING BUSH MM-HMM
THAT THOSE UNITS SHOULD BE PROPERLY STREAM.
I DON'T THINK YOU'LL EVER SEE 'EM, TO BE HONEST.
AND, AND THE LINE SETS ARE GOING TO NOT BE VISIBLE AS WELL.
ANYTHING ELSE? WINDOWS? I GO AHEAD.
DID YOU HAVE, YOU CAN JUMP IN THERE.
UM, I, I JUST, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT DESIGN REVIEW.
UM, IS IT, ARE WE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? UM, GETTING RID OF THE WINDOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE SECOND FLOOR? YEAH.
I, I THINK, UH, SOMEONE RELATED TO THAT, UH, THIS, THIS IS NOT THE GRANDEST HOUSE IN, IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT CERTAINLY REFLECTS THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT.
I MEAN, IT IS, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
AND I THINK I CAN SPEAK WHERE EVERYONE'S SITTING UP HERE, IS THAT WE CERTAINLY, UH, COMMEND YOU AND CHEER YOU ON FOR YOUR, YOUR EFFORT TO TAKE.
A WHOLE LOT OF TLC AND, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY, REALLY, UH, DO A, A WHAT I THINK IS A VERY, UH, COMMENDABLE AND RESTORATION JOB.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S BEYOND TLC
THERE'S A BATHROOM THERE, WHICH IS GOOD.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NO, I, I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER THOMPSON THAT, THAT THIS IS A, THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT AND I THINK IT'S, YOU ARE TO BE COMMENDED FOR TAKING ON THE SCOPE OF, OF THIS PROJECT FOR THEM IN THE DISTRICT.
WE'LL, WE'LL SEE IF I REGRET IT, BUT
WE'LL FIND OUT IF YOU HAPPENED YET.
I'D LIKE TO COMMEND YOU ON YOUR APPLICATION THAT I THINK IS VERY THOROUGH AND IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH, UM, NON-PROFESSIONAL HELP MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN NAVIGATE THIS PROCESS AND ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU WANNA YEAH, I APPRECIATE IT.
I KIND OF HIT ALL THE POINTS OF DESCRIBING WHAT YOU WERE CHANGING AND, UH MM-HMM
WHAT YOU WERE REPLACING, UH, WITH WHAT MATERIAL AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE BASIC STANDARD THAT WE ASKED TO BE SET.
WE, THE APPLICATION FOR 5 0 7 GEORGE STREET, UH, FOR A, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH, UH, NEW CODE ORDINANCE SECTION 15 NINE AND NEW BERNS HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING, UH, SPECIFIC STANDARDS AND FINDINGS.
FACT, UM, AND I'M GOING TO INTENTIONALLY LEAVE OUT SOME OF THESE REFERENCES
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JUST IN CASE YOU'RE FOLLOWING ME CLOSELY, BUT UTILITIES 2.36 FENCES AND GUARD WALLS, 2.5 0.1 AND THREE, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO AND FOUR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOUNDATIONS, 4.1, 0.1, TWO AND THREE.WALL STRING AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.1, TWO AND FOUR, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 0.23 ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.1 AND FOUR.
UH, MASONRY, 5.1, TWO, THREE AND FOUR.
WOOD FIVE, TWO AND TWO, PAINT, 5.4, 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.
MASONRY MAINTENANCE, 6.1 0.1 AND 2, 5, 6 AND SEVEN.
AND THEN, UH, PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
UH, FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, BEING THAT THE, UH, APPLICATION IS, UH, FOR SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS TO THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE TYPE WE DEVELOPMENT MATTER, UH, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE, UH, REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND COMMENT ACCORDING THEM.
AND THE PROJECT IS NODDING THROUGH THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
ANY OPPOSED MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA.
YOU GOT WORK TO DO?
LIKE TODAY, IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
SO IT'S, I CAN'T WORK ON THE OUTSIDE TOMORROW? NOT YET.
WE TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK IF WE COULD DO THAT NOW.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL COME BACK AT SEVEN.
DO YOU NEED TO MOTION? SO MOVED.
WAIT, WHAT? SO MOVED BY MIC? YEAH.
JIM MORRISON'S GONNA SECOND IT.
WE'LL RESUME THE HEARING WITH THAT.
[5.D. 1409 N. Pasteur St. – to include a new screened rear porch addition in the Tertiary AVC. (Part 1 of 2)]
ITEM IS 1409 PASTOR STREET, A NEW SCREEN PORCH IN THE REAR AREA, TERTIARY AREA.UH, HERE WE HAVE OUR APPLICATION, UH, FOR 1409 NORTH PASTOR STREET.
UH, THE OWNER IS BLAIR KAUFMAN.
UH, AND UH, THIS SHOWS THE APPLICATION INCLUDES A DESCRIPTION, THE GUIDELINES, AND AN ADDENDUM FOR THE, UH, MATERIALS.
UH, HE'S INDICATED HE'S INCLUDED A FLOOR PLAN AND THE OWNER HAS SIGNED THE APPLICATION.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THE OWNER HAS PROVIDED THE AUTHORIZATION FORM FOR YOU TO REPRESENT HIM.
IT WAS MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS.
HE WAS, UH, AWAY FOR ABOUT THE VACATION OR SO I'M ASKING TO FILL ANYMORE.
SO I THINK ONE TIME IN THE PAST WE PHONE CALLED THE OWNER MM-HMM
DO WE HAVE AN EMAIL OR ANYTHING FROM THE OWNER? WELL, CAN HE CALL THE OWNER NOW AND GET THE OWNER TO VERIFY THAT HE CAN REPRESENT THEM? SO, UM, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CALL THE OWNER.
UM, WE CAN, WE COULD POSSIBLY, UH, MOVE, DELAY THIS ONE AND YEAH, LET'S GO TO SEVEN 12.
GO TO THE NEXT ONE AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS ONE.
IF, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF THE OWNER.
I'LL TRY TO REACH OUT TO, IF NOT, AND I'LL JUST TAKE OFF.
IS THERE A LITTLE WAY WE CAN DO THIS SO WE CAN GET THIS PROCESS ROLLING OR ANYTHING? WELL, THERE'LL BE A
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NEXT MONTH.MR. CHAIR, THE, THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION, IF THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE IS ABLE TO CONTACT THE OWNER, IF THE OWNER HAS EMAIL CAPABILITY WHEREVER THEY HAPPEN TO BE, IF THEY CAN EMAIL STAFF, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING INDICATING THAT THIS GENTLEMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO REPRESENT THEM, WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING IN THE FILE.
WOULD, WOULD A TEXT BE OKAY? COUNSELOR? IT'S STILL STILL WRITING.
IT'S A, IT'S A WRITING, BUT WE, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME FORMALIZED COMMUNICATION FROM THE HOUR.
IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET SOME WRITTEN COMMUNICATION THAT WOULD BE PREFERRED.
I CAN'T PROVE IT OR SOMETHING I SEE.
HAVE BE I THINK IT'S GONNA QUESTION, HAVE ANY QUESTION AND IF NOT YES, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
CAN, SO LET'S HAVE A IS IS WE WILL NEED TO CONTINUE THIS MOTION TO CONTINUE IS THE ONLY REASON THAT WE NEED THE OWNER HERE OR A REPRESENTATIVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.
IN, IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN APPLICATION, WE HAVE TO HAVE AUTHORIZATION FROM THE OWNER TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE REPRESENT THEIR INTEREST IF THAT PERSON DOES NOT HAVE A, A FINANCIAL INTEREST OR AN OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN THAT PROPERTY.
SO AS YOU'VE SEEN WITH OTHER APPLICATIONS, THERE'S OFTEN AN OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION FORM THAT WE HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS TO EXECUTE AND NOTARIZE SO THAT WE CAN INCLUDE THAT SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THE PERSON SPEAKING CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO BIND THE PROPERTY.
OTHERWISE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE RECORD TO SUGGEST THAT.
YEAH, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I JUST, BECAUSE HE'S GIVING TESTIMONY WAS JUST IF THERE, HE'S GIVING TESTIMONY SO WE HAVE TO, THAT'S KNOW HE'S CALL, BUT IF, IF THERE WERE NO QUESTIONS, DOES HE HAVE TO BE PRESENT TO GIVE TESTIMONY? YEAH.
WELL YES WE DO REQUIRE APPLICANT AND THE REPRESENTATIVE BE PRESENT THERE.
CONSTRUCTION QUESTIONS, HIS MAIN WHY HE WANTED BE HIS FAMILY.
SIR, IF YOU WANNA COME TO THE MICROPHONE, WE CAN CAPTURE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST THERE SOME, UH, CONSTRUCTION QUESTIONS OR SOMETHING, THEN THAT'S WHY HE WANTED ME HERE.
UM, THE, THEN THE OTHER THING IS, UH, IN TWO WEEKS THERE'S AN INFORMAL MEETING, UM, WHERE YOU CAN ALSO ANSWER MAYBE SOME OF THOSE, UH, CONSTRUCTION QUESTIONS, UH, IN PREPARATION FOR THE MEETING IN AGAIN IN FOUR WEEKS.
THAT'S, THAT'S HELD ON FIRST AVENUE AT, UH, DESIGN.
DEVELOPING SERVICES IF YOU THE OLD GYM? YES.
UH, AND WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION THERE, BUT WE CAN EXCHANGE WITH YOU.
YEAH, WE'LL SEE ABOUT THAT AND, AND I'LL CONTACT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING GOING AND, OKAY.
I DO KNOW THAT I, UH, DID UH, ALSO TRY TO CONTACT THE OWNER, UH, ONCE OR TWICE ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAD COME UP AND, AND HE HADN'T RESPONDED.
I CALLED HIM TWICE TODAY, SO I THINK HE MIGHT JUST BE WHERE HE IS AT.
YEAH, I'M, ME WAITING A MONTH.
I'M SO BACKED UP AT WORK RIGHT NOW,
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL GOOD WITH ME.
SO ALL I'M GONNA TRY TO CALL HIM, BUT Y'ALL MOVE FORWARD AND PROBABLY WON'T GET AHOLD OF HIM.
WE WILL THEN PROBABLY CONTINUE THIS TO NEXT MONTH.
DO YOU NEED A MOTION? WELL MOTION.
LET'S, LET'S, LET'S SEE IF IF THEY, HE GETS AHOLD OF HIM FIRST, I'LL TRY AND CALL HIM, BUT I I, I'LL BE WILLING TO BE, LIKE I SAID, I APPRECI OUT TO HIM TWICE AND HAD, LET'S MOVE FORWARD THEN IT WORKS.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT APPLICATION.
WE'LL, I, I'LL I'LL HAVE HIM ON THE PHONE.
[5.E. 712 Pollock St. – an amendment to the approved CoA to include changing the design from three one-car garage doors to one one-car garage door and one two-car garage door. (Part 1 of 2)]
SO LET'S GO TO SEVEN 12 P*****K STREET.THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO AN APPROVED COA TO CHANGE THE DESIGN OF GARAGE DOORS FROM THREE DOORS TO TWO AND ONE BEING A LARGE DOOR.
SO, UM, AGAIN, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, WE ALREADY APPROVED THE COA FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, AND THEY ARE JUST LOOKING TO AMEND THAT COA.
SO, UM, BUT THE DOCUMENTATION I HAVE IS PRIMARILY FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
UM, HERE IS, UH, THE COA THAT WE ISSUED, UH, JUST LAST MONTH.
UH, AND, UH, I DID GET A NEW ZONING AND INSPECTIONS FORM HERE FOR THIS.
AND THE, UH, ZONING OFFICER INDICATED THAT THE ZONING PERMIT WAS ALREADY ISSUED AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT AS HE DID THE LAST TIME.
UH, AND I CAN ZIP THROUGH ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION FROM BEFORE.
AND THIS WAS EVEN, UM, THE COA FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, UH, BECAUSE IT HAD EXPIRED AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAD THE NEW ONE.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, JUST ASSUMING AHEAD TO THIS, YOU REMEMBER THE DESIGN THAT WAS APPROVED WAS THIS SKETCH HERE WITH THREE, UH, SINGLE, UH, BAG GARAGE DOORS
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OR SINGLE, SINGLE VEHICLE GARAGE DOORS AND A DOOR ON THE FRONT.UM, THEY ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT AND OH, AND THEY ACTUALLY DID SUBMIT THE FINAL DRAWING FOR THAT, WHICH IS NOW THIS ONE IN THE MEANTIME.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE COA.
UH, THIS ACTUALLY SHOWS THAT THE, UH, DOOR ON THE FRONT IS NOW MOVED TO THE SIDE.
UM, SO WE COULD INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE AMENDMENT JUST FOR TECHNICAL PURPOSES.
UH, AND THIS IS THE GARAGE DOOR THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE INSTEAD OF THE TWO RIGHT HAND, SEPARATE RIGHT HAND DOORS, THEY WANT TO COMBINE THE TWO INTO ONE DOUBLE WIDE GARAGE DOOR AND JUST, UH, A DETAIL AT THE, AT THE MIDDLE OF THE DOOR.
AND THEN I HAVE A STAFF REPORT IF YOU'RE READY FOR THAT.
DO YOU HAVE THE, UM, DRAWING ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, THE ONES FROM LAST TIME? UH, IT, IT WAS A NEWER SET.
YOU WERE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
THIS ONE CAR AND TWO CAR, UH, UH, I DID NOT SEE THAT.
I ONLY SAW THIS ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING.
UH, BUT EFFECTIVELY IT WOULD BE CHANGING THESE TWO INTO ONE.
DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR YOU? UH, WELL SIR, IF YOU WANNA COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
PAUL HANLIN SEVEN 12 P*****K AND HE'S THE OWNER.
I SENT THIS TO YOU SHOWING THE, UM, UH, UH, ON, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS A, UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE, WE, UH, HAD QUITE A FEW EMAILS BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE PAST FEW.
SO IT WAS LIKE THE SEPTEMBER 9TH.
UH, I DON'T SEE IT ACTUALLY HERE.
'CAUSE YOU WERE SAYING, UH, THE DRAWING LOOKS GOOD.
AND THE REASON I'M SHOWING THIS IS, UM, YEAH, I CAN'T SEE IT ON MY PHONE.
UM, YOU WERE SAYING AUGUST 26TH? I THINK SO.
OH WAIT, THAT'S THE WRONG YEAR.
IT'S, IT'S A MUCH BETTER DRAWING THAN, UM, MAY 15TH.
NO, THAT'S NOT, SO I GOT A WHOLE NEW SET OF DRAWINGS THAT SHOW THE ONE CAR GARAGE, THE SINGLE CAR GARAGE ON THE LEFT, AND THEN IT GOES TO A TWO CAR GARAGE.
AND THEN NEXT TO THAT TWO CAR GARAGE IS THE MANUAL DOOR THAT YOU WOULD WALK THROUGH.
AND THIS IS ALL MY WIFE'S PROB FAULT, BUT BUT NOW THEY'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE DOOR HAS MOVED AROUND THE CORNER, RIGHT? NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT DRAWING EITHER.
SO REMEMBER YOU WERE ASKING ME WHICH DRAWING, WHICH, UH, THAT'S IT, RIGHT? IS THAT IT? YEAH, EXCEPT THAT THE DOUBLE CAR'S GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE.
YEAH, ON THE RIGHT COMPARED TO THE SINGLE.
THE SINGLE WOULD BE ON THE LEFT.
AND, AND AND, AND IT HAS NO WINDOWS STILL CORRECT LIKE THAT.
IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, BUT NO WINDOWS EXCEPT YEAH, THERE'LL BE WINDOWS THE TOP NOW AND THE THE GARAGE DOOR HAS NO WINDOWS.
YEAH, THE, THE DOORS WILL HAVE WINDOWS.
UM, WHICH WE HAVEN'T ORDERED YET.
SO I MEAN, IF WE, IF YOU SAY WE CAN'T HAVE WINDOWS, UM, YOU DON'T SEE THE, THE, THE, THE DRAWING FROM THE, UM,
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SO I HAD SENT YOU AND YOU SAID, OKAY, WHICH, WHICH DOOR? THAT'S RIGHT.AND THEN I RESPONDED SAYING WHICH DOOR IT WOULD BE.
AND THAT WAS THE ONE THAT I JUST PUT UP THERE.
AND THEN IT WAS, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE THE DRAWING THERE, HUH? LET'S SEE.
ALRIGHT, LEMME GO WITH, UM, ALL THE EMAILS FROM YOU.
SO THERE WERE FOUR OPENINGS INITIALLY, THREE GARAGES AND A DOOR.
CORRECT? ORIGINALLY, ORIGINALLY THREE GARAGES AND CORRECT.
AND, AND NOW YOU PROPOSED WAS TWO OPENINGS AND A DOOR? YES.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL THE DIFFERENCE.
SO HERE'S ONE ALSO THAT'S KIND OF THE REVERSE OF THE OTHER, BUT, UH, THAT HAS DRAWINGS, BUT IT'S, NO, I THINK IT WAS AFTER THAT EMAIL THAT JUST PUTS THE DOOR EIGHT 14.
WELL AFTER, YEAH, AFTER EIGHT 14 I THINK IT WAS.
LET'S SEE IF THERE'S MORE IMAGES HERE.
WELL, LET'S, LET'S JUST LEAVE IT THERE FOR IF IT'S LIKE THAT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE? NO, I MEAN THIS IS, THIS IS THE VERY BACK OF THE LOT.
CAN'T REALLY SEE IT FROM THE STREET.
SO DO WE STILL HAVE THE DORMS? YES.
STILL HAVE THE WHAT? THE DORMERS? HMM.
YEAH, JUST THIS IS JUST THE GARAGE DOORS.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DRAWING THAT SHOWS US NO.
THE PROPORTIONS OF THE OPENING OR HOW IT RELATES TO THE SIDE OR NO.
SO THOSE DORMERS ARE STILL WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE OR THEY'RE ACTUALLY CENTERED.
SO THE, ALL THREE OF 'EM ARE CENTERED UP OVER THE UH, THEY WERE DOWN THERE, RIGHT? NO, THEY'RE RIGHT.
I SAY ARE, ARE THEY, ARE THE DORMERS NOW OVER THE DOORS OR THEY REMAIN WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE? THEY'RE CENTERED THREE DOOR OVER EQUALLY ON TOP ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
NOW RECALL WHEN YOU MAKE THE CHANGE, WELL THEN, OKAY, SO YOU, THE, THE DORM ON CENTER OF THE DOOR OPEN IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MEANT ONCE YOU CHANGE THE PORTION OF THE DOOR? NO, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT HE SAYS IS THAT THEY'RE CENTERED ON THE ROOF SPAN.
SO WHAT YOU SEE THERE, THEY WOULD BE MOVED TO THE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT, CORRECT? NO.
SO IF THAT'S, IF THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THEY'RE GOING BE CENTERED.
THEY'RE, THEY GONNA BE SPREAD OUT OVER THE SECOND FLOOR EQUALLY.
SO THE RIGHT AND LEFT DORMERS WILL BE EQUAL DISTANCE TO THE EDGE OF THE YEAH, I GUESS IT LOOKS MUCH BETTER.
I COULD HAVE SWORE WE SAW THAT AND YOU SAID, YEAH, THAT'S GREAT.
UM, THAT WAS WHEN YOU SENT THIS ONE? OH YEAH.
WELL, NO, 'CAUSE THE NEW DRAWING ACTUALLY SHOWS THE TWO CAR GARAGE.
SO I DON'T WANT BE, BUT I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE RENDERING WITH ALL THESE MOVING PARTS.
SO IF I CAN GET THAT TO YOU TONIGHT AND EMAIL TO YOU TONIGHT, CAN YOU, CAN WE MOVE FORWARD AFTER THE NEXT PERSON? CAN YOU GET AN EMAIL? OH, OH, UH, IF, IF I GUESS YOU GET IT TO US BEFORE WE END THE MEETING OR THE HEARING.
I MEAN, HE MAY NOT BE COMING BACK AND SO HE MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT TWO TO THREE MINUTES.
I CAN GET IN ABOUT TWO MINUTES, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD THIS.
[5.F. 206-208 Metcalf St. - to include the enclosure of the rear porch in the Tertiary AVC and replacement of existing storm windows with new storm windows in all AVCs. The applicant has requested this application to be continued to the HPC Regular Meeting in January, 2025, at City Hall. The specific date for that meeting is yet to be determined and probably adopted at the October 15, 2025 Regular Meeting.]
ALRIGHT, WELL WE CAN MOVE ON WITH ONE AND, UH, THE APPLICANT'S ACTUALLY HERE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE 2 0 6 TO 2 0 8 METCALF STREET.THE REQUEST WAS THAT IT'D BE UNTIL JANUARY, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE OUR 2026 SCHEDULE YET.
SO SINCE WE CAN'T GIVE A PRECISE EXTENSION, I PROPOSE WE MOVE IT TO THE OCTOBER 15TH MEETING.
PERHAPS WE'LL HAVE THE 2026 JUST FOR OUR PURPOSES TO BE ABLE TO SCHEDULE YOU FOR JANUARY.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO OCTOBER 15TH, FIVE 30,
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MR. CHAIR, I, I MOVE THAT WE, UM, MOVE THE APPLICATION FOR 2 0 6 2 0 8 METCAST STREET TO A TIME CERTAIN, AND THAT WOULD BE OCTOBER 15TH, 2025.REGULAR MEETING HERE AT HALL, UH, AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT HERE AT CITY HALL.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL ADDRESS JANUARY HOPEFULLY AT THAT MEETING RIGHT BEFORE THE HEARING AFTER, YES.
AND WE'LL PROBABLY DO THAT AS PART OF THE, UM, CONSENT AGENDA.
REGGIE, HOW ARE YOU DOING? HOW DID YOUR MEETING GO LAST NIGHT? WELL, SIR, DID YOUR MEETING GO WELL LAST NIGHT? INDEED.
SO, SO WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS IS PART OF, UH, NEW BUSINESS AND YOU'RE SKIPPING OLD BUSINESS AND GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WELL, OH, DID WE HAVE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS, I APOLOGIZE.
NO, BUT YOU MAY HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU MAY HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
OH, IS THAT HERE? EXCUSE ME? YES.
[7. GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS]
ME.DO YOU HAVE ANY, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
WE DON'T TAKE QUESTIONS, WHICH I'M HOPING YOU'LL ANSWER.
UM, SO AS I'M, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU, FOR THE RECORD, COULD YOU TELL SURE.
SORRY, I FEEL LIKE IT'S OLD HAT.
UM, SARA BLISS WARD ONE, UH, SEVEN 11 P*****K STREET.
UM, I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT MAKING UPDATES TO THE GUIDELINES.
WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE SOME BACKGROUND ON, AND THIS HAS COME UP A FEW TIMES, IS THAT, UH, A MEMBER OF THE BOARD CAN SPEAK TO THE LEGAL RESTRICTIONS OR AUTHORITY THAT THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE SHIPPO IMPOSES ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LOCAL GUIDELINES.
I'M, I'M SORRY, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF WHAT? THE DEVELOPMENT OH, AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE GUIDELINES.
SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EXPLANATION ON THE, THE AUTHORITY OR POWER THAT THEY HAVE TO SPECIFY ARE LOCAL GUIDELINES.
I'M GONNA GRAB MY OTHER GLASSES, I CAN TAKE QUESTIONS.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S A QUESTION YOU CAN REFUSE TO ANSWER IT, BUT IT'S A GENERAL QUESTION THAT THE PUBLIC IS ASKING AND I THINK IT'S A VERY FAIR QUESTION FOR THE BOARD.
I'D SUGGEST WE NOT ANSWER THAT BECAUSE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE, WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER IT ACCURATELY.
I THINK THAT JUST BY THE VERY NATURE OF SITTING ON THE BOARD, YOU SHOULD BE PREPARED AND BEING STAFFED TO ANSWER THAT.
I CAN TELL YOU THE ANSWER THAT I UNDERSTAND.
I'D APPRECIATE VALIDATION ON THAT.
I, I SUGGEST WE, WE, IN AN EFFORT TO BE HELPFUL, I'M GONNA TAKE THE WORDS OUTTA JAMIE'S MOUTH, UM, TO THE PUBLIC WHO HAS TO LIVE BY THESE RULES AND THESE GUIDELINES.
IT IS AN INCREDIBLY FAIR QUESTION THAT I THINK WARRANTS AN ANSWER.
WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT IS DOES OUR ATTORNEY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? I, I DO.
UM, SO MR. CHAIR, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COME AND MAKE COMMENTS.
UM, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO HAVE A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION WITH THE HPC, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, WE HAVE A FULL-TIME STAFF PERSON WHO IS AVAILABLE ON BUSINESS DAYS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT TO FIVE.
UM, WHOSE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE AVAILABLE PUBLICLY ON THE WEBSITE, HIS TELEPHONE NUMBER, HIS EMAIL ADDRESS.
SO IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT THEY WANT ANSWERS TO, THEY CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS TO STAFF TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU ALL ARE AVAILABLE OUTSIDE OF THE REGULAR MEETINGS OR OUTSIDE OF THE WORK SESSIONS.
IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS AND YOU'RE WILLING TO ANSWER THEM, YOU ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
BUT THIS FORM AT THIS JUNCTURE IS NOT NECESSARILY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ASK QUESTIONS UNLESS A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD WANTS TO OPEN AND EXTEND THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
CAN WE ASK, CAN I ASK THAT THE BOARD, THE BOARD, PARDON ME, VOTE ON THIS TO DECIDE IF YOU'RE GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OR NOT? WELL, WELL, SO MR. CHAIRMAN, UH,
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IF ON PAGE 24, 24 OF THE RULES AND PROCEDURES, THERE IS A REFERENCE TO, UH, SHIPPO.SO THAT WOULD BE THE BEST REFERENCE MR. MR. SHELLEY CAN PROVIDE THAT TO IF SHE CALLS AND ASKS.
SO WHAT I, IS THAT DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD THEN THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO RESPOND TO THIS QUESTION OUTSIDE THE MEETING WITH THE APPLICABLE INFORMATION FROM THE RULES OF PROCEDURE? CORRECT.
I'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FINISH MY COMMENT THEN, WHICH, UM, THE BOARD'S REFUSING TO ANSWER A QUESTION, WHICH I PERSONALLY DO NOT FEEL GOES WITH THE BEST PRACTICES THAT YOU GUYS COMMIT, BUT THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.
THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION DIRECTLY FROM SHIPPO IS NEITHER THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR NOR THE STATE CAROLINA HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.
SHIPPO HAS PURVIEW OVER HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS AS THEIR CREATION AND POWERS, C-N-C-G-S ONE 60 D THROUGH 9 42.
OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT MATTERS IN NORTH CAROLINA.
THE CREATION OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS AS A LOCAL OPTION AUTHORIZED AND GOVERNED BY NCGS ONE 60 D THROUGH NINE 40 THROUGH ONE 60 D, 9 51, 10 60 D DASH 1 0 2 10 60 D DASH 3 0 3, 10 60 D DASH 4 0 4 C, AND LOCAL 1 0 5 THROUGH 2 78, WHICH ENABLES LOCAL GOVERNING BOARDS TO ESTABLISH COMMISSIONS TO STUDY AND RECOMMEND DESIGNATIONS OF LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS AND REGULATE DESIGNATED PROPERTIES AND DISTRICTS COMMISSIONS ARE APPOINTED BY THE LOCAL GOVERNING BOARD AND OPERATE IN ADHERENCE TO PROCEDURES AND STANDARDS THAT YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO CREATE.
SO IN SHORT, THAT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE FULL AUTHORITY AND AUTONOMY TO CREATE THE GUIDELINES THAT BENEFIT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
SO THE REASON I WAS ASKING FOR CLARITY ON THAT IS OFTEN, UM, IT'S CITED THAT WE HAVE TO DO X BECAUSE OF SHIPPO.
YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY AND AUTONOMY TO MAKE YOUR RULES AS YOU SEE FIT.
UM, I WOULD'VE REALLY APPRECIATED AN HONEST ANSWER ON THAT QUESTION.
AND MATT, I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU TO GET IT IN WRITING.
UM, I GUESS ONE OTHER COMMENT, THIS IS HOW YOU GUYS ARE GONNA RUN THE PUBLIC SESSIONS, UM, AND THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE TO PEOPLE AS THEY'RE TRYING TO WEIGH IN ON THE GUIDELINES.
I THINK THE ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR OR YOU SAY YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS NOT GONNA BE WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
OH, I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
UM, OR COMMENT, I GUESS 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
THE COMMENT IS THE CONCERN ON, UM, UH, TENURE FOR BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, THERE'S THREE YEAR TERMS. YOU CAN HAVE TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS WITH A TWO YEAR BREAK.
UNDER EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, BOARD MEMBERS CAN GO OVER.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A BOARD MEMBER ON HERE FOR 13 YEARS WITH ONE SMALL BREAK.
UM, I DOES ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK TO THAT? THERE'S TWO QUALIFIED APPLICANTS AT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
IS THERE A REASON WHY THE BOARD HASN'T SOUGHT TO GET NEW PEOPLE IN TO ADHERE TO THE TERM LIMITS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
SO WE'RE NOW GONNA CONSIDER NEW BUSINESS NUMBER ONE IS THE TRADE COURT.
OH, OH, YOU OKAY? DID YOU GET IT? DID YOU GET YOUR EMAIL? OH, WE'RE BACK.
[5.D. 1409 N. Pasteur St. – to include a new screened rear porch addition in the Tertiary AVC. (Part 2 of 2)]
WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE 1409 IN A STORE TO OCTOBER 15TH.SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE.
WELL, YOU HAVE TO SPECIFY THE LOCATION AND THE TIME.
I HAVE TO MOVE SOMEBODY UPSTAIRS.
WELL, SO HE, HE WAS, HE WAS NOT ABLE, NO.
UM, I MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THE APPLICATION FOR 1409 NORTH PASTURA, UH, TO THE NEXT MONTH, UM, WHICH WOULD BE OCTOBER 15TH, OCTOBER 15TH, 2025
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AT CITY HALL AT THE REGULAR MEETING.UM, BECAUSE THE, UM, AUTHORIZATION FOR THE REPRESENTATIVE TO REPRESENT THE OWNER WAS NOT PROVIDED AND THERE WAS NOT A, A, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OR AN OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE HERE AT THE MEETING.
SO NOW NEW BUSINESS TREND COURT LETTER.
WAIT, BEFORE YOU DID, YOU GOT THE EMAIL? WHAT DID YOU YES.
UH, WHO DID THE SECOND ON THAT? ACTUALLY IT'S UP.
[5.E. 712 Pollock St. – an amendment to the approved CoA to include changing the design from three one-car garage doors to one one-car garage door and one two-car garage door. (Part 2 of 2)]
NOW BACK TO SEVEN 12 MUL.SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE, THE ELEVATIONS.
SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? CAN I LOOK AT THE ELEVATION THEN? YEAH.
I DON'T RECALL EVER SEEING THIS.
HAPPENS TYPOS IN THE EMAIL MESSAGES.
SO THIS ONE SUPERSEDES WOULD SUPERSEDE.
THEN THE OTHER ONE WHICH HAS THE DOOR ON THESE ON THE SIDE AS WELL.
SO WHAT, SO WHAT DO THESE DOORS LOOK LIKE NOW? THAT'S A CRAFTSMAN DOOR.
YOU TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE DOORS? YEAH.
SO WE HAD ORIGINALLY GONE WITH JUST STEEL DOORS AND THEN WE TRIED TO DO THIS WITHOUT HAVING ANOTHER MEETING AND WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE THE DOORS LOOK LIKE THEY WOULD BE TWO SEPARATE DOORS.
SO WE FOUND DOORS THAT LOOKED LIKE THAT, BUT THEY CAME WITH WINDOWS, WHICH ARE MORE EXPENSIVE.
AND I THOUGHT WE COULD DO THIS WITHOUT ANOTHER MEETING.
SO I SAID, WELL, HOW ABOUT IF WE GO WITH THESE DOORS? WELL, WE WERE KIND OF ON THE THOUGHT, WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THIS.
AND THEN WE DECIDED WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE MEETING.
BUT THE DRAWINGS ALREADY REFLECTED WINDOWS IN THE GARAGE DOORS, SO THERE WOULD BE WINDOWS AT THE VERY TOP OF THEM.
SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE, UH, IF THIS, UM, DRAWING IS APPROVED THIS EVENING, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO ON CONDITION, PROVIDE THE MATCHING, UH, UH, UM, AN AN IMAGE OF THE MATCHING DOOR THAT WOULD MATCH THIS ILLUSTRATION.
THAT'S WHAT YOU HAD EARLIER? NOT EXACTLY THAT, THE PICTURE.
SO THE, THE PICTURE OF THE DOOR WAS THE WHITE DOOR WITH THE WINDOWS AT THE TOP.
AND IN THE EMAIL YOU SAID, OKAY, WHICH ONE OF THESE THREE? AND THEN I, I SAID, WHICH ONE? AND YOU SAID, OKAY, UH, YOU HAD IT UP EARLIER.
IT'S THE GARAGE DOOR WITH WINDOWS AT THE TOP.
UM, ARE YOU EXPECTING TO INCLUDE THOSE STRAPS AND THESE HAND THOSE IN THE, UH, ORIGINAL, THAT, THAT WAS IN THE COST, BUT THOSE DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE.
I'M FINE WITH THEM BEING THERE OR WE CAN TAKE 'EM OUT.
SO IF YOU SAY THAT'S FINE WITH THE STRAPS, EVEN THOUGH THE DRAWING DOESN'T SHOW IT, WE'LL ORDER 'EM WITH THE STRAPS.
IF NOT, WE WILL NOT ORDER WITH THE STRAPS.
WE HAVEN'T ORDERED THE GARAGE DOORS YET.
SINCE THIS IS A CONTINUED ONE, I PRESUME THERE'S NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST IT.
UH, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? I GUESS PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE STRAPS, UM, VERSUS THE DRAWING THAT THE DRAWING THAT YOU HAD DIDN'T HAVE ANY STRAPS.
AND THOSE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE STRAPS.
THAT'S EXTRA HARDWARE I GOTTA PAY FOR.
SO IF YOU GUYS ARE FINE WITHOUT THE STRAPS AND YOU CAN IMAGE IT WITHOUT THE STRAPS, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.
MATT, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE ONE WE STARTED WITH AFTER HE CAME BACK? YEAH.
SO THAT IS REPRESENTING THOSE, THE
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DOOR WE JUST LOOKED AT WITH THOSE GLASS SQUARES.UH, IF I MAY, IS THERE A MATERIAL CHANGE APPEARS TO BE, THERE'S A MATERIAL CHANGE ON THE DORMERS AS WELL? NO.
WELL THE, THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS GOING TO HAVE, LIKE A YEAR AGO, WAS GOING TO HAVE, UH, UM, UH, SHAKE, SHAKE, SHAKE.
THIS IS JUST GONNA HAVE THE, UH, SIDE.
SO THE, THE APPROVAL LAST MONTH, UH, HAD, UH, IN THAT SKETCH, UM, INDICATED SIDING LIKE THIS ALL THE WAY IN THE DORMERS AND ON THE SIDES ALL THE WAY TO THE, ON THE WHOLE SIDE.
LIKE THIS, ON THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT.
I GUESS THAT'S PROBABLY IN HERE.
IT'S, UH, WHILE MATS MOVING AROUND, IT, IT APPEARS THE, UH, CORNER BOARDS ON THE DORMERS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WIDTHS THAN THE CORNER BOARDS ON THE LOWER PART OF THE GARAGE IS ONE.
AM I READING THAT RIGHT? TWO, IS THAT WHAT YOU I'M SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
THE, UH, CORNER BOARDS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION THAT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT WITH THE PROPOSED DOORS APPEAR TO BE A DIFFERENT WIDTH THAN THE CORNER BOARDS ON THE LOWER, LOWER PART OF THE ELEVATION.
AND MY QUESTION IS, AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY OR IS THAT YOUR INTENT? THE FOUR INCH CORNER BOARDS? CORRECT.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT DIMENSION ARE THE CORNER BOARDS ON THE DORMS FOR THE RECORD? UH, I I, IT'D BE FOUR INCHES IF THEY MATCH.
IS THAT, UH, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT DRAWING.
SO IT'S FOUR INCHES ON THERE, RIGHT? I CAN'T EVEN SEE IT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TRIM? NO.
SO HERE, LET ME PULL IT IN CLOSER.
SO HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE CORNER BOARDS HERE ON THE, ON THE SIDE OF THE WALL OF THE CORNER OF THE FRONT WALL, AND THEN THE RAKING SIDE.
UM, IE THIS CORNER BOARD RIGHT HERE.
SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE THE SAME BUT INSIDE TO CONFIRM IF THEY'RE THE SAME AND LOWER ONE'S FOUR INCHES, THE OTHER ONE'S FOUR INCHES.
CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONFIRM.
ARE YOU ASKING ME TO CONFIRM WHAT THAT THIS ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE IMAGE? OKAY.
OKAY, SO THIS IS THE CORNER BOARD ON THE FIRST, ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND THEN THIS IS THE CORNER BOARD FOR THE DORMERS.
ARE THEY THE SAME SIZE? I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE THE SAME SIZE.
AND THEN IT APPEARS THE HOUSE UP ON P*****K HAS A NARROW CORNER BOARD.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO PHOTO UP MORE LIKE FOUR, FOUR INCHES THAN SIX OH OH OH.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, WHEN WE GO TO THE, WHEN YOU GO TO THE ACTUAL HOUSE TO PICK UP THE DETAIL OF THE HOUSE THERE, FARTHER UP.
CAN'T TELL IF IT'S FOUR INCHES IS, BUT IT'S NOT A VERY WIDE SQUARE.
SO ANY DISCUSSION OF THE GARAGE DOORS? THE, THE RENDERING LOOKS BETTER THAN THE, THAN THE OTHER DOOR.
THE, THE RENDERING LOOKS BETTER THAN THE ACTUAL PHOTO WITH THE STRAP.
I THINK I WITH THE WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING, BUT, BUT THE ONE THAT WOULD YOUR ORDERING IS THE ONE THAT HAD THE, THE PICTURE THAT SHOWS THE STRAPS, CORRECT? THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO ORDER.
HE DOESN'T NEED, NOT THE STRAPS.
JUST THOSE, NOT THE STRAPS, BUT THAT'S THE PICTURE.
SO THE PICTURE ON THE DRAWING DOESN'T SHOW ALL THE HARDWARE THAT SHOWS ON THIS PICTURE.
AND I CAN GO EITHER WAY, BUT WHEN MATTHEW AND I WERE TALKING, WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO THIS ROUTE AND NOT HAVE THIS WHOLE NOTHER MEETING.
AND THAT'S THE PICTURE I HAVE, BUT I I DIDN'T ORDER ANYTHING YET.
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THE BIG DOOR, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SMALLER DOOR, IT APPEARS THERE'S SOME EMBOSSING.I THINK IT IS VERTICAL EMBOSSING THERE.
IF YOU, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE A FAKE BE, UM, THIS LOOKS LIKE ELEVATED PANELS ON THE LEFT.
AND I THINK IT'S ON THE FULL DOOR TOO.
WHAT IS OUR CONCERN? THE WINDOWS DOESN'T MATTER.
THE CONCERN WAS WE'RE WE'RE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF OPENINGS ON THE YES.
THE INSTEAD OF WHAT ABOUT THE STRAPS? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE OPENINGS? YEAH.
WELL I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION IS, IS, DOES, DOES WHAT DOES A STRAP GIVE YOU THAT APPEARANCE OF, OF TWO OPENINGS? I, AS WELL AS THE DRAWING.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE DOOR REPRESENTED IN THE PHOTOGRAPH IS EQUAL TO THE DOOR REPRESENTED IN THE RENDERING, PARTICULARLY IN THE CENTER OF THAT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A, A DEFINED GAP VERTICALLY.
BETWEEN THE TWO SECTIONS, I'LL CALL IT MAKING IT LOOK, APPEAR MORE AS TWO DOORS COMPARED TO THE, COMPARED TO THE PHOTOGRAPH.
AND PART OF THAT LIKELY IS THAT STRAP IN THE MIDDLE.
I DON'T WANT TO DWELL ON A STRAP, BUT
IT CAN'T BE SEEN FROM THE STREET.
SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, ANY, ANY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? OH, I'M SORRY.
OH, I GUESS I DID, BUT, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, IS EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE APPLICATION THAT'S UP FOR CONSIDERATION.
WHAT ELEMENTS ARE CONTAINED IN THAT APPLICATION? AND THE ONLY THING WE'RE CONSIDERING IS TWO, TWO DOORS.
ONE LARGE, ONE SMALL VERSUS THREE SMALL AND, AND, AND MOVING OF THE DORMERS, UH, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE MOVING 'EM FROM THE LAST PROPOSAL.
ARE WE? THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE RECENTERED APPEAR TO BE, THEY'RE ALL CENTERED.
WHAT I'M SEEING FROM THE PHOTO THAT'S CURRENTLY ON HERE IS IT APPEARS THAT THREE DORMERS ARE, ARE CENTERED DIFFERENTLY.
THE WALK DOOR, THE MAN DOOR HAS MOVED TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
THE TWO DOORS ON THE RIGHT HAVE TURNED ONE DOOR.
ADDITIONALLY, I'M SEEING THAT THE SHAKE SIDING AND HAS CHANGED TO HORIZONTAL SIDING AS WELL AS ON THE GABLE.
THE SHAKE HAS CHANGED TO HORIZONTAL AND THERE'S A, A BAND BOARD THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED.
THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENCES I'M SPOTTING BETWEEN THE APPROVED AND THE CURRENT.
JUST TO, JUST SO WE KNOW, WHAT IS ALL THAT I'M SEEING HERE? IT'S DIFFERENT.
BUT WAS, DIDN'T, DIDN'T WE APPROVE THE COA LAST MONTH? IT ALREADY HAD CHANGED FROM THE SHAPE TO THE YES.
SO I THINK ON THIS, IT WAS NOTATED ON THIS SKETCH HERE.
ONLY ON, I THINK FOR THIS ONE IT'S REALLY JUST THE, THE, THE, I APOLOGIZE.
I THINK THE DORMERS DID GET CENTERED DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE APPROVED.
AND I THINK IT'S COMBINING THOSE, UM, THE TWO GARAGE DOORS ON THE RIGHT INTO A SINGLE DOUBLE DOOR.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS.
IT DOESN'T HELP WHEN THE, UM, PLAN THAT WAS FINALLY SUBMITTED, ONE DID NOT INCLUDE THE SIDING THAT WAS APPROVED AND DID NOT, UH, LEAVE THE DOOR WHERE, UH, WHERE IT WAS APPROVED.
BUT IF WE'RE SIMPLY CHANGING THE DESIGN FROM THE TWO, TWO CAR, THERE ARE THREE, THREE GARAGE DOORS TO THESE TWO GARAGE DOORS.
THE DOOR IS THE SAME, THE SIDING IS AS APPROVED, THE DOOR IS AS APPROVED.
IT'S JUST THE DORMERS ARE MOVING AND THE DOOR IS ONE, ONE DOUBLE DOOR INSTEAD OF TWO SINGLES.
IS THERE ANY PROBLEM? DO YOU AGREE? I AGREE.
NO PROBLEM WITH THE DORMERS AND AT THE BOTTOM.
ANY PROBLEM WITH THE DOORS, UH, AS PROPOSED IN THE PHOTO? NO PROBLEM.
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SO NOW ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE THAT WE FIND THE, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO SEVEN, IS IT SEVEN 12 P*****K STREET, UH, TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BRUIN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTION 15 DASH FOUR 11 TO 15 DASH 4 29.AND NEW BRUIN'S, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING, UH, UH, GUIDELINES.
UH, MATT, CAN YOU, CAN YOU PULL UP YES.
NOT MY, MY LAPTOP IS DYING HERE.
DO YOU WANT THIS? I HAVE TO HAVE, I REVISED THE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE DOORS, BUT NOT THE DORMERS.
UH, SO, UH, DESIGN PRINCIPLE DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1 3.1 0.2, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
UH, THE PROPOSAL IS TO CHANGE, UH, THE GARAGE DOOR CONFIGURATION, UH, FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN A TIGHT WEED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROPOSED, UH, CHANGES TO DESIGN, UH, MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STO DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BILLING INSPECTOR HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT, UH, AND MADE COMMENTS.
UH, THE PRO THE PROPOSED, UH, AMENDMENTS, UH, THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH HISTORIC STANDARDS AND, UH, DOES NOT DIMINISH THE SPECIAL CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UH, OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, JUST SO THAT WE CAPTURE THIS, THE CONDITIONS, UH, ARE THAT THE DORMERS ARE EQUALLY THAT BASED ON THE IMAGE THAT WE SAW, UH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ASSUMING WILL BE EXECUTED.
THE DORMERS ARE EQUALLY SPACED AND CLAD WITH, WITH SIDING AS, AS, UH, DEMONSTRATED IN THE IMAGE.
UH, THE IMAGE WITH THE SINGLE AND DOUBLE DOORS WITH GLASS REFLECTS THE DESIGN THAT WE'RE APPROVING.
AN OPPOSED MOTION TO ISSUE A COA.
AN AMENDMENT TO THE COAI MOVE.
I FOUND SOME KEYS OVER HERE ON THE SECOND BENCH, SO SOMEBODY MAY BE COMING TO THE BATHROOM.
WHO DID YOU GUYS CALL FOR? PEOPLE THAT HAD STANDING IN THAT CASE? THERE'S NO ONE HERE.
DO YOU, DO YOU LIVE WITH THAT? I DO.
AND YOU DID NOT, MR. CHAIR, I THINK YOU ASKED THE QUESTION IF THERE WAS ANYONE HERE WHO HAD ANY COMMENTS? YOU DO.
I'M NOT SURE IF ANYONE WANTS, I'LL WATCH THE VIDEO, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK IF, IF SHE HAS COMMENTS ON THAT.
I KNOW IT IS A LITTLE AFTER THE FACT, BUT I DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I, I KNOW YOU GUYS DECIDED.
UM, I THINK THAT ONE WOULD HAVE TO BE TRESPASSING IF MS ON THE PROPERTY.
MS. IF, IF SOMEONE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY, THEY NEED TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
NO, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS YOU DIDN'T PROCEDURALLY ASK FOR PEOPLE THAT HAD STANDING.
APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE YOUR NOTICE OF THAT.
WHO MADE THE SECOND ON THE, UH, UH, ON THE AMENDMENT? UM, TIM DID, RICHARD SAID.
[8.A. Trent Court letter of support for master plan to the SHPO]
WE'RE NOW READY TO CONSIDER A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE MASTER PLAN TO SHIPPO BASED ON THE TRUMP COURT RENOVATION THAT WE'VE SEEN SEVERAL TIMES.SO THEY'VE PREPARED, UM, AS REQUESTED, UH, A PRESENTATION, UM, FOR THIS REQUEST FOR A LETTER OF SUPPORT.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE, UH, UM, REGGIE, UH, COME FORWARD AND MAKE THE,
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MAKE THE CASE, I SUPPOSE.WELL, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK AS YOU INDICATED, WE, IF YOU'D IDENTIFY YOURSELF, PLEASE.
I'M REGGIE BARNER, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR NEWMAN HOUSING AUTHORITY.
AND THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR ENTERTAINING OUR REQUEST.
UH, I THINK YOU ALL, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THE POINT.
WE, WE HAVE COME BEFORE YOU ALL MANY TIMES AND PRESENTED, UH, THE PLAN, UH, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH THE APPROVAL, UH, OF THE MASTER PLAN BEING COMPLETED, UH, THUS FAR, UH, WITH OUR CONSULTANTS.
UH, THE CULMINATION OF THE WORK ON LAST NIGHT, UH, I WAS IN COMMUNICATION TODAY WITH RENEE AT NORTH CAROLINA, UH, SHIPPO, UH, RELATED TO SCHEDULING, UH, TIME WITH HER NOW THAT WE'VE COMPLETED OUR WORK.
SO WE HAVE SCHEDULED WITH HER A, AN INITIAL CONFERENCE CALL ON OCTOBER 6TH, UH, TO DISCUSS WITH HER THE PLANS OR THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 6TH, UH, THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE AND THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE THUS FAR.
AND SO, UH, WE, WE, WE SCHEDULED THAT WITH HER TODAY.
AND SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR FROM, FROM YOU ALL IS THE DRAFT, UH, LETTER THAT, UM, UH, WE PRESENTED, UH, UH, THE ATTORNEY MADE SOME, SOME ADJUSTMENTS, UH, TO THAT.
AND WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT, UH, TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT LETTER TO SHIPPO TO GO ALONG PRIOR TO OUR CALL WITH RENEE SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN THIS COMMUNITY FINALLY, TO AT LEAST GET THOSE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SITTING THERE UNOCCUPIED SINCE 2018.
GET THOSE THINGS DEMOLISHED AT SOME POINT.
SO THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW SIMPLE REQUESTS ARE.
ARE, ARE YOU PRETTY COMFORTABLE THAT THAT SHIPPO'S GOING TO, UM, LIKE THE LETTER THAT IT SAYS THE THINGS THEY NEEDED TO HEAR? YEAH, I, I THINK SO.
I, I LIKE THE LETTER, I LIKE THE CHANGES AND I LIKE THE TONE OF IT.
AND, UH, I'M SURE AT SOME POINT RENEE WILL PROBABLY CALL MATT AND GET HIM TO OPINE ON, ON THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH YOU GUYS AND KEEPING YOU ALL ABREAST.
BUT I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE, WITH THE LETTER.
I HAVE THE LETTER IN THE, UM, AT, AFTER THEIR PRESENTATION.
DO YOU WANT TO YEAH, GO AHEAD AND DO YOUR PRESENTATION OR SEE, I MEAN, I, BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO LAY OUT THE LOGIC BEHIND THE LETTER.
WELL, I MEAN, AS YOU ALL HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, THE, THE TNC COURT REDEVELOPMENT INCLUDES, UH, APPROXIMATELY 25 BUILDINGS.
UH, OUR PHASES WILL, WILL LAST OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME.
SO NATURALLY WE GOTTA GET THROUGH THE DEMOLITION PROCESS AND THEN WE CAN BE ABLE TO MOVE, MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.
UH, HBC IS ALREADY ISSUED THE COA FOR DEMOLITION ON THE DAMAGED BUILDING.
AND SO YOU ALL HAVE DONE THAT.
UH, AND MATTER OF FACT, UH, THE SECOND PART OF THIS IS, UH, THE EXTENSION OF THAT COA AS WELL, UH, THAT YOU ALL HAD ISSUED BEFORE.
UH, BUT, BUT AS IT, AS, AS INDICATED AS SHIPPO WON'T ALLOW US TO DEMOLISHED IT, UH, THE UNITS UNTIL WE PRESENT A MASTER PLAN TO THEM.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE PLAN TO DO.
UH, WE PLAN TO, TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH RENEE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SUBMIT IT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SUBMIT SOMETHING AND THEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT SHE NEEDS.
SO WE WANT TO TRY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE SAME THING WE'VE DONE WITH YOU ALL IS WORKING IN COOPERATION WITH HER, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE MASTER PLAN TO SUBMIT.
NOW THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT, WE'RE READY TO SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION TOUR.
AND AS MATT INDICATED, OUR, OUR REQUEST TO YOU ALL, UH, IS, IS THE INTENT OF WHY WE WANT THAT SUPPORT.
UM, BECAUSE YOU WANT US TO BE ABLE TO TELL SHIPPO THAT YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE MASTER PLAN DIRECTION AND THE DEMOLITION.
AND THE LETTER OF SUPPORT CONTENTS, UM, I DON'T HAVE IT IN, WELL, YES I DO.
IS THAT ON THAT SCREEN RIGHT THERE? NO, WELL, THE CONTENTS ARE, BUT YEAH.
SO THE, THE, THE BULLET POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IS, UH, PRESERVING ONE ORIGINAL BUILDING, WHICH WE'VE AGREED TO DO FROM 1940 TO 1941.
NATURALLY, WE, WE ARE GONNA PRESERVE ALL OF THE CARB RELIEF, UH, IN THE BUILDING.
WE, WE, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS, UH, IN THE PARK OR IN THE NEW PARK AREA.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CREATE SOME MONUMENTS AND USING SOME OF THOSE BAR RELEASES THERE IN SOME OF THE NEW BUILDINGS WE PLAN TO BUILD BACK, AS WELL AS IN THE CHARLES TAYLOR BUILDING, UH, THAT WE'RE GOING TO UTILIZE FOR THE OFFICE.
WE ARE GOING TO, UH, PUT SOME OF THOSE, UH, RELEASE, UH, ON THE BUILDING THERE, UH, STEP HEIGHTS AND DENSITY DOWN ADJUSTMENTS FOR HISTORIC CONTEXT.
SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON AND AND REDEVELOPING THIS
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IS, IS TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT OUR MASTER PLAN, UH, ADDRESSES, UH, DESIGNS THAT ARE, THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU ALL WANT WITHIN THE, UH, PARTICULAR, PARTICULAR AREAS.AND THE LETTER INDICATES THAT THE HPC SUPPORTS THE DIRECTION OF THE MASTER PLAN AND WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH SHIPPO ALLOWING THE DEMOLITION OF THE 13 DAMAGED BUILDINGS.
AND THAT THE HPC UNDERSTANDS THAT EACH NEW PHASE, EACH PHASE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL COME THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST PART, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE, WE CAN'T GO FORWARD WITH ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS ASKING FOR PERMISSION AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING IN, IN COOPERATION.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT SHIPPO HAD BEFORE.
AND, AND JUST SO EVERYONE'S CLEAR, BY ADOPTING THIS LETTER, YOU ARE NOT APPROVING ANYTHING, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AS THE LETTER AS MR. UH, BARNER HAS INDICATED, AND SO HAS STAFF, EVERY PHASE FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL COME BACK TO THE HPC FOR A REVIEW AND FOR VOTES THROUGH THE REGULAR COA PROCESS, WHICH I THINK MAKE, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND AS YOU ALSO REQUESTED, UH, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC VIEWING THIS TO UNDERSTAND THE BACKGROUND, UM, THEY PUT TOGETHER SOME BACKGROUND SLIDES AS WELL, UM, EXPLAINING THAT THERE WERE 218 UNITS AT TRENT COURT ORIGINALLY, AND 108 UNITS AND 12 RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WERE DAMAGED DURING HURRICANE FLORENCE.
108 FAMILIES MOVED OFFSITE AND 13 BUILDINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE HPC FOUR DEMOLITION.
AND THEN THEY IN INCLUDED SOME OF THE IMAGES FROM THE TRANSFORMATION PLAN, WHICH WAS THE CHOICE NEIGHBORHOODS PLAN THAT WAS DONE, UM, A DECADE AGO.
UH, AND NOW, UM, THE CURRENT PLANNING IS FOR NEW THREE NEW HOUSING SITES.
UH, ONE IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT.
UH, NUMBER TWO IS THE FORMER DAY'S INSIGHT, AND NUMBER THREE IS THE FORMER FR DANIA SCHOOL, AND ALL THREE SITES WOULD BE MIXED INCOME.
AND THEN THE VISION FOR TRENT COURT, UH, HERE THEY'RE SHOWING SOME EXIST IMAGES OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, UH, AND, UM, THE LOCATION OF THE SITE IN THE, THAT IT IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE COMING TO YOU.
ALTHOUGH THE LITTLE RED LINE IS A LITTLE BIT MISPLACED.
UH, AND THEN THE TRENT COURT MASTER PLAN, JUST FOR TRENT COURT, UM, IS SHOWN HERE AS WELL.
AND THEY'RE SHOWING WHAT TODAY THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL STREET LOOKS LIKE THIS.
AND, UH, IN THE FUTURE, THEY ENVISION THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL STREET TO LOOK MORE LIKE THIS.
AND THEY HAVE SOME IDEAS TO THE, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, DESIGN, UH, GENERAL DESIGNS FOR THE STREETS, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND YOU CAN, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE ON THE BOTTOM IMAGES, UH, KIND OF THE SPACE BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND THE SIDEWALK.
AND THEN SOME STREET TREES AND THE TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC WITH THE LANE FOR PARKING.
AND THEN BACK AGAIN ON THE SAME THING ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE STREET IN TYPICAL STREET.
BUT FOR WALT BELLAMY DRIVE ALONG THE FUTURE PARK, UH, THE PARK WOULD BE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS, UH, LOWER RIGHT HAND IMAGE.
AND AGAIN, WITH THE TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC PLUS THE PARKING LANE, STREET TREES ON BOTH SIDES, UH, SIDEWALK, AND THEN A SOMEWHAT, MAYBE SOMEWHAT LARGER FRONT YARD.
AND, UH, THEN THE BUILDING'S, UH, FRONTING ON THAT ON THE LEFT, JUST AS SOME GENERAL CONCEPTUAL IDEAS.
UH, WHEREAS, SO WHEREAS TODAY THE WATERFRONT LOOKS LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE, UH, THE VISION IS THAT IT WOULD LOOK MORE LIKE THIS.
AND SO OVERALL, UM, INSTEAD OF A PLAN, THIS IS NOW AN AERIAL, UH, UH, BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE TRENT COURT SITE IN THE FUTURE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, PARK ALONG THE RIVER, UH, SOME HOUSING NEXT TO THAT, UH, AND THEN HOUSING GO MOVING, UH, UPHILL FROM THERE.
AND THEN THE SMALLER HOUSES END UP, UH, SMALLER BUILDINGS END UP, UH, UH, AT THE TOP NEXT TO WHERE IT ABUTS THE HISTORIC HOUSES ALONG P*****K STREET.
AND YOU SEE THE ONE BUILDING, UH, THAT YOU ALL REQUESTED THAT WE WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GONNA, THIS ONE HERE, WE'RE KEEP THAT ONE BUILDING.
OH, THERE, THE WHITE ONE DOWN HERE'S,
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CORRECT.UM, OH, AND SO HERE THEY'RE SHOWING THIS IS THE BUILDING AND THIS IS WHERE IT'S LOCATED IN THE, IN THE OVERALL PLAN.
UH, THEY WILL BE PRESERVING, UH, THE ENTIRE BUILDING, INCLUDING THE, UH, CARVED RELEASE AND THEY'LL BE, UH, RENOVATING IT AS HOUSING, CORRECT.
AND THESE ARE SOME IMAGES OF THOSE BALL RELIEFS, AND IT GIVES SOME IDEAS TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER.
FIRST, THEY POINT OUT THAT P*****K STREET ITSELF HAS, UM, ESPECIALLY ON THAT PARTICULAR BLOCK THERE, EXISTING HOMES ARE TWO STORIES.
MOST SETBACKS RANGE FROM ZERO FOOT TO EIGHT FEET, AND THE CONTEXT REFLECTS A TIGHT WEAVE PATTERN.
AND THEY HAVE THE, THE PLAN HERE.
THERE ARE TWO, UH, UM, TWO OTHER BUILDINGS THAT DON'T FIT THAT, UH, ZERO TO EIGHT FOOT SETBACK RULE.
UH, AND IF I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, PORTION OF, UH, P*****K STREET THAT IS THE, UH, FORMER, UH, CHAPEL, I BELIEVE THAT WAS MOVED THERE.
UH, AND THEN THE HOUSE NEXT TO THAT WAS THE ONLY TWO ON THAT BLOCK.
WELL, IT HAS A MATTER OF FACT THE CHAPEL IS SITTING ON ITS ORIGINAL SITE.
UM, SO HERE THEY'RE SHOWING, UH, SOME PHOTOS FROM NEW BERN MIXED IN WITH SOME PHOTOS OF SOME OF THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE ELSEWHERE.
UH, UPPER LEFT AND MIDDLE LEFT.
THESE BOTH ARE FROM NEW BERN, UH, AND THE UPPER RIGHT ONE IS ALSO FROM NEW BERN.
SO THOSE THREE ARE THE NEW BERN ONES.
AND THEN THESE, UM, ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE SIMILAR WORK, UH, THAT THEY'VE DONE, UH, IN OTHER PLACES.
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, THEY WANT TO, UH, SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES.
UH, FIRST IS THE HISTORIC BUILDING TO BE PRESERVED IN RED HERE.
UH, THESE TWO U-SHAPED BUILDINGS ARE FOUR STORY PODIUM BUILDINGS OVER PARKING.
SO THERE'S A, A ONE STORY PARKING GARAGE UNDERNEATH THESE.
UH, AND THEN THE YELLOW ONES ARE STACKED FLATS OR SLASH TOWNHOUSES WITH GROUND LEVEL ENTRIES.
ALL OF THESE ON THE UPPER PORTION OF THE SITE.
AND THEN DOWN HERE ON THE LOWER PORTION, THESE ARE RAISED STACKED FLAT TOWNHOUSES.
THESE ALSO HAVE, UH, GARAGES ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND THEN THE, UH, UPPER FLOORS ARE FOR THE HOUSING.
THEY HAVE EXAMPLES SHOWN IN HERE.
THE TYPICAL, UH, TOWNHOUSE, UM, COULD LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY FOUR UNITS.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S FOUR DOORWAYS HERE, 1, 2, 3, 4.
SO THIS ONE IN THE MIDDLE IS ACTUALLY TWO TOWNHOUSE UNITS SPLIT RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE.
SO YOU HAVE THOSE FOUR UNITS, AND THEY REPRESENT THAT WITH THIS KIND OF, UH, UH, MASSING, UH, DIAGRAM HERE WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT'S A TWO, TWO STORE UNIT ON THE LEFT.
THEN TWO MORE, TWO STORE UNITS IN THE MIDDLE AND ONE TWO STORE UNIT ON THE RIGHT.
UH, THEN THEY'RE TYPICAL STACKED FLAT STACKED, FLAT TOWNHOUSE.
SO, UM, SLIGHTLY MORE COMPLICATED.
UM, LET'S USE THE DIAGRAM AT FIRST.
UH, BECAUSE THIS IS A THREE STORY BUILDING.
THEY HAVE A TWO STORY UNIT ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR ON THE LEFT IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT OF THE THREE STORY SECTION.
AND THERE IS A ONE STORY, UH, BUT TWO, TWO BAYS WIDE, OR ONE STORY UNIT THAT FITS UNDER TWO UNITS, UH, ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UH, AND I BELIEVE THIS, UH, THIS, UM, CREAM COLORED BLOCK REPRESENTS AN ENTRYWAY TO GET TO THE UPPER FLOOR, UH, UNITS.
AND THEN THERE'S A SIMPLE TWO STORY, UH, UNIT ON THE RIGHT.
SO, AND THIS HAS FOUR UNITS, FIVE UNITS, SORRY, IN THIS THREE STORY PLUS TWO STORY COMBINATION.
THEN, UH, THIS ONE IS ONE WHERE IT'S THE RAISED STACKED FLAT DECK TOWNHOUSE.
SO AGAIN, LET'S GO TO THE LITTLE DIAGRAM DIAGRAM SHOWS.
UH, WE'RE SEEING THE BACKS OF THE GARAGES WITH THE DOORWAYS COMING OUT.
AND THEN THERE'S 1, 2, 3, 4 UNITS, UH, THAT ARE EACH TWO STORIES HERE.
SO, UM, THESE IN THE RENDERING, THE FIRST FLOOR IS THE GARAGES, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK DOOR
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OF THE GARAGE WITH A WINDOW FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE UNITS.AND THEN THE HOUSING UNIT FOR THOSE THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THAT GARAGE ARE DIRECTLY ABOVE, UH, THOSE GARAGES.
SO YOU HAVE 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR UNITS IN THIS ONE WITH FOUR GARAGES.
ALL RIGHT? THEN THEY HAVE THEIR NEXT STEPS, UM, THEIR MEETING WITH SHIPPO TO UPDATE THEM ON THE PROCESS AND MASTER PLAN REQUIRED TO APPROVE DEMOLITION.
TWO, TO DEVELOP DETAILED A MASTER PLAN FOR THE TRENT COURT SITE THREE, TO KEEP HPC UPDATED THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW MEETINGS, AND WORK TOWARD COA RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EACH PHASE FOUR DEMOLITION OF VACANT BUILDINGS.
FIVE, APPLY FOR THE NEXT HUD CHOICE NEIGHBORHOODS IMPLEMENTATION GRANT OPPORTUNITY, AND SIX FUTURE PHASES OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO HAVE MEMBERS REVIEWED THE LETTER THAT WAS IN THE PACKET? ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE LETTER? SO THE LETTER IS RIGHT HERE.
NO, I THINK, I THINK THE CONCEPT THAT, THAT, UH, THE ATTORNEY TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IS AN IMPORTANT ONE THAT WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANY COAS THIS EVENING.
ALL WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THE DIRECTION SEEMS TO, TO MEET OUR STANDARDS AND THAT AS PROJECTS, AS BUILDINGS GET, UH, CLOSER TO IMPLEMENTATION, THAT THEY'LL COME BACK TO US FOR REVIEW OF EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT.
BUT A PROJECT MAY BE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND MULTIPLE PHASES OR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I THINK, I THINK ONE OF THE DRIVERS, IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BEGINNING WHEN WE STARTED THIS, UM, ONE OF THE KEY DRIVERS IS THAT HUD, UM, HAS SAID THAT THEY WILL NOT PROVIDE FUNDING FOR REHABBING HOUSING IN A FLOODPLAIN, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT IT, THAT'S REALLY THE STARTING POINT OF THIS.
UH, THIS IS A VERY LARGE PROJECT SPANNING MULTIPLE YEARS.
UH, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PLAYERS AND FUNDING SOURCES.
THIS IS FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL.
UH, THIS MAY BE ONE OF THE LARGEST, MOST, MOST COMPLEX PROJECTS THAT THE HPC UH, HAS HAD TO DEAL WITH.
UH, AND IT'S IN THE PAST 40 YEARS, UH, WE'VE SEEN THE MASTER PLANS, UH, WE'VE SEEN SOME POTENTIAL DESIGNS THAT SEEM TO COMPLIMENT THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
SO I, I THINK, UH, I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD, A VERY GOOD START.
AND I, I AM CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AND, UH, AND I WILL POINT, IT DOES SAY A 10 YEAR PLAN, SO IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN NEXT MONTH.
I NOW HAVE THE LETTER ON THE SCREEN MM-HMM
UH, DO WE NEED TO READ THIS OUT LOUD? IT'S UP TO YOU.
THE, THE DOCUMENT HAS BEEN CIRCULATED TO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
DOCUMENT WAS INCLUDED IN THE, UM, I THINK PACKAGE THAT WAS UPLOADED ONLINE.
UM, A COPY OF THIS DOCUMENT ONCE, IF IT IS APPROVED AND EXECUTED, WILL BE ON FILE IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN THE HBC ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE.
SO IF MEMBERS OF REPUBLIC HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONTENTS OF THE, OF THIS LETTER, IT WILL BE AVAILABLE.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, MATT, CAN YOU SCROLL BACK UP TO THE VERY TOP SO I'VE GOT SOME REFERENCE POINT? YES.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE HPC, UH, VOTES TO, UH, SUPPORT THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AS PROPOSED BY THE NEW BERN HOUSING AUTHORITY, UH, AS, AS LAID OUT IN THE, UH, IN THE, UH, LETTER THAT HOUSING AUTHORITY SENT TO THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR AND DISTRIBUTED TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION CONCERNING THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE TRENT COURT AREA.
AND YOU MIGHT NOTE THE DATE OF THE LETTER, UH, THE DATE OF THE LETTER IS SEPTEMBER 18TH.
YEAH, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE IT HERE, BUT YES, THE DATE OF THE LETTER IS SEPTEMBER 18TH, UH, 2025.
AND THE TITLE, UH, UH, IT'S LISTED, SENT VIA EMAIL, UH, CONCERNING REDEVELOPMENT OF TRENT COURT, DEMOLITION OF 13 FLOOD DAMAGED BUILDINGS.
AND THEN WE NEED TO EXTEND THE COA,
[8.B. Trent Court CoA extension]
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THIS? ALL RIGHT.SO, UH, THESE, THIS IS THE CURRENT, UM, EXTENDED COA FOR THE DEMOLITION OF 13 BUILDINGS AND REDEVELOPMENT OF THE LAND AREA.
UH, THAT WAS, UM, EXTENDED ON AUGUST 29TH, 2024, UH, FOR THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT WAS APPROVED ON 10 18 20 23.
SO THE EXTENSION, UH, WAS TO BE TO 10 20, 20 25.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO, OH, AND THAT IT WAS THE FIRST EXTENSION IS DONE BY, UH, CAN BE DONE BY STAFF FOR UP TO ONE YEAR, WHICH IS WHAT THAT WAS.
AND THEN, UH, ANYONE A AFTER THAT, ANY SUBSEQUENT EXTENSIONS MUST BE DONE BY THE HPC, UH, FOR ANY, UH, EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME THEY DESIRE OR YOU DESIRE.
YOU AND REGGIE TALKED ABOUT A TIME I HAVE.
IS THERE A TIME YOU PREFER BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCES HPC ADMINISTRATOR ON A MULTI-YEAR PROJECT WHERE FUTURE BOARD? YEAH, SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, YOU CONSIDER, UH, NOT ONLY THE, UM, COMPLEXITY OF THE PROJECT, UM, AVAILABLE FINANCING, POTENTIALLY, I SUPPOSE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT, BUT ALSO THE ABILITY TO START THE PROJECT REALLY IS THE MAIN THING.
BECAUSE IF THEY CAN'T START THE PROJECT, OR ONCE THEY START THE PROJECT, THEY NO LONGER NEED ANY EXTENSIONS FOR THE REST OF, BUT THIS IS EXISTENCE, THIS IS ONLY FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDINGS, WHICH I'M ASSUMING WOULD COME EARLY IN, IN THE, WELL, THAT WAS AN ASSUMPTION.
ASK HIM JIM HAD YEARS AGO, ASK, ASK HIM.
SO I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT, UH, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION, UM, THAT WE EXTEND THIS COA FOR FIVE YEARS FOR, UM, DEMOLITION OF THE 13 MINUTES.
SECOND, IF I MAY THOUGH ADD, I DIDN'T GET TO QUITE FINISH, THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS, UM, UM, THE FACT THAT AN EXTENSION SHOULD CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THE, UM, STANDARDS HAVE CHANGED, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY ENOUGH TO AFFECT, UM, A ESSENTIALLY A RE-APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER AS WELL.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A DEMOLITION, THIS IS NOT, UM, A, A, AN APPROVAL OF ANY OF THE BUILDINGS.
WHAT'S THAT? THERE, THERE'S A MOTION.
WAS THERE A SECOND THERE? YES, THERE'S A MOTION.
AND WHO WAS THE SECOND? RICHARD PARSONS.
SO, SO I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE FIVE YEARS.
I THINK THAT'S A, A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME.
AND I THINK IN FIVE YEARS, IF THEY'RE NOT DEMOED, WE CAN TALK AGAIN.
CALL THE QUESTION MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND SO JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE WE EXTENDING IT FOR FIVE YEARS FROM 10 20 25? YES.
YEAH, SO WE'RE STICKING WITH 10 20.
SO THE NEW, UH, THE NEW DEADLINE IS 10, 20 30.
THE NEXT ITEM IS THE CONSIDERATION OF ADDITIONS TO THE MEYER
[8.C. Additions to the Minor Works List]
WORKS LIST.AND IF YOU RECALL THAT THEY WERE PRESENTED TO US AT DESIGN REVIEW, A FEW OF US HAD COMMENTS.
AND, AND, AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST SAY MY, MY THOUGHTS, AND I THINK THE THOUGHTS OF THOSE, THOSE OF US THAT COMMENTED BACK TO MATT, UH, WE'VE WORKED TO EVALUATE THOSE OPTIONS, BUT MAKE THE KEY POINT THAT THE ADMINISTRATOR IS STILL USING THE GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS TO EVALUATE ANY APPLICATION AND PROVIDING GUIDANCE.
THE ADMINISTRATOR ALSO MAY ADVANCE THE APPLICATION OF THE HPC FOR CONSIDERATION IF THERE ARE CONCERNS OR ISSUES THAT REQUIRE GUIDANCE OR DETERMINATION.
THE ADMINISTRATOR MAY NOT DECLINE AN APPLICATION, BUT HE MAY PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND INPUT.
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HERE WERE TO IMPROVE APPLICANT INTERACTIONS.SO THE SPEED OF APPROVAL, THE COST FOR THE APPLICANT TO RECOGNIZE DOOR AND WINDOW OPENING MODIFICATIONS IN THE TERTIARY A VC OR CELL DEBATED TO RECOGNIZE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE NORMALLY APPROVED WITH LITTLE OR NO DISCUSSION OR CHANGE.
AND ALSO TO REDUCE THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR'S NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE, HE HAS TO DO LETTERS, SIGNS, PACKET PREPARATION ANYTIME IT COMES TO THE FULL HPC.
SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT IN BACKGROUND.
AND SO NOW WE ARE CONSIDERING ADOPTING A RESOLUTION TO REVISE THE MEYER WORKS LIST.
AND I WILL GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.
UH, FIRST UP IN THE FIRST, IF YOU HAVE YOUR COPY THERE IN THE TOP, THE FIRST CHANGE IS TO RECOGNIZE THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS NAMING, AS WELL AS THE FACT THESE ARE NOT, AND OR CONDITIONS THERE WERE AND CONDITIONS ABOVE THAT.
UH, MINOR WORKS HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS.
AND THEN WHERE WE GET INTO THE MEAT HERE, REPLACE INCONGRUOUS MATERIAL WITH CONGRUOUS SO YOU CAN REPLACE ANY INCONGRUOUS WITH CONGRESS THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATOR.
WE'VE EXPANDED LIGHTING TO BE ALL LIGHTING TO GO TO THE ADMINISTRATOR.
IN THE PRIMARY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
IN THE PRIMARY I, WE, WE SELDOM HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON LANDSCAPING PLANS.
THE CURRENT MINERS INCLUDE DRIVEWAYS AND WALKWAYS, SIGNAGE, STORM WINDOWS AND STORM DOORS, AWNINGS, HAND RAILS, REPLACEMENT OF ROOFING, GUTTERING AND DOWNSPOUTS, MASON RE REPOINTING SCULPTURES, PUBLIC ART ARTIFACTS, MEMORIALS, FOUNTAINS AND MURALS, FENCES.
AND WE'RE ADDING GARDEN WALLS AND GATES.
WE ARE REMOVING A MINOR THAT SAID EXACT REPLACEMENT OF CONGRESS MATERIAL, WHICH IS ALREADY COVERED BY REPLACEMENT INKIND, SO WE DON'T NEED TO DUPLICATE IT HERE.
AND THEN ANY AMENDMENT TO A MAJOR COA THAT WOULD BE FALL INTO ANY OF THESE CATEGORIES WOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED A MINOR WORK IN THE SECONDARY AREA OF VISUAL CONCERN, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
I, ITEMS OF MINOR WORK PERMITTED IN THE PRIMARY ARE ALLOWED AS WELL AS ACCESSIBLE RAMPS, DECK, TERRACE, TERRACES, PATIOS, AND WE'RE ADDING POOLS WITHOUT, UH, TAKING AWAY, WITHOUT RAILINGS.
UTILITIES ALLOWING, UH, THE ADMINISTRATOR TO DEAL WITH DEMOLITION OF NON-CONTRIBUTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND ALTERATION OF NON-CONTRIBUTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITH NO CHANGE IN FOOTPRINT.
AND THEN IN THE TERTIARY AREAS, AREAS OF MINOR WORK PERMITTED IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY AREAS, WATER FED, BULKS AND PIERS AS WE HAVE NOW, BUT ADDING DOOR AND WINDOW OPENINGS AND PARKING IN THE TERTIARY AREA.
UH, WHAT YOU WON'T SEE IN THIS LIST, UH, IS WHAT I THINK IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY, AND THAT IS THE APPEARANCE OF THINGS.
SO WHEN WE GET INTO APPEARANCE, I THINK THE HPC STILL NEEDS TO DEAL WITH THAT, BUT THESE ARE MINOR WORKS.
IF WE FIND WE'RE MISSING SOME CATEGORY, WE CAN AMEND THIS OURSELVES.
SO WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? NO, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS WELL THOUGHT OUT AND I THOUGHT THE COMMENTS MADE, UM, DURING AND AFTER THE MEETING WERE, WERE WELL THOUGHT OUT AND APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, SO WITH THAT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION BE RESOLVED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH? THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION LIST OF MINOR WORKS, A COPY OF WHICH JUST WAS READ, WILL BE ATTACHED HERE TOO AND INCORPORATED HERE BY REFERENCE, BE IN THE SAME AS HEREBY APPROVED.
SECTION TWO, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION LIST OF MINOR WORKS SHOULD BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
AND SECTION THREE, THAT CITY STAFF IS HEREBY INSTRUCTED TO UPDATE THE LIST OF MINOR WORKS PUBLISHED TO THE CITY OF NEWBERG, ADOPTED THIS 17TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2025.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IS IN FAVOR A AYE.
[9. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT]
HPCA ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT.YOU CAN SEE HERE THE ACTIVITY FOR AUGUST SEVEN TO SEPTEMBER FOUR.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, ISSUED THREE MAJOR COAS, UH, NO EXTENSIONS, AMENDMENTS, OR CONDITION APPROVALS.
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HAVE THREE MORE PENDING, UM, AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS ISSUED.UH, SO, UM, UH, ROBERT IS, UH, STARTING TO HELP ME TO ISSUE THESE.
SO I DON'T REMEMBER IF HE, UH, DID ONE OF THOSE AS WELL.
UH, THEN ON THE MINOR COAS, UH, AT THE TIME THIS WAS CREATED, PUBLISHED, UM, WE HAD ONE MINOR COA ISSUED, UH, AND ABOUT 28 PENDING.
UM, I THINK WE'VE NOW DONE THREE OR FOUR SINCE THEN, SO, BUT, UM, I THINK WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED FIVE OR SIX SINCE THEN.
SO WE'RE, UH, TREADING WATER, I SUPPOSE.
UH, AND IS IT POSSIBLE ANY OF THE OTHER WORKS ARE THINGS NOW THAT CAN BECOME MINOR THAT THE PERSON THOUGHT MIGHT BE? YES.
UM, UH, AND, AND ONE THAT'S KIND OF COMING UP, UH, THEY HAVEN'T SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION YET FOR PARKING IN THE TERTIARY AREA, SO, AND IT'S JUST GRAVEL PARKING LOT, SO, ALL RIGHT.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT
ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS IN GENERAL? MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.