* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY, CALL TO [1. OPENING OF MEETING WITH ROLL CALL] ORDER THE OCTOBER MEETING OF THE NEW VERN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. ADJUSTMENTS [2. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA] TO THE AGENDA. I'D LIKE TO ADD ONE ITEM, WHICH IS A WELCOME. WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER TRIP, ER IS FINISHED HIS TERM AND HAS BEEN REPLACED BY ELENA HUBER, AND WE WELCOME HER TONIGHT. LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND, UH, HOPE YOU ENJOY THE GROUP AS WELL AS WHAT WE DO. UH, ANY OTHER ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? MR. CHAIR, BEFORE WE GET TO ADJUSTMENTS, SHE MIGHT WANT TO ENTERTAIN A ROLL CALL. OKAY. , MATT. ALRIGHT, SO, ROSS BEBE HERE. GREGORY RUSH. HERE. ELENA HUBER. HERE. MIKE WEEKEND. HERE. JIM MORRISON. HERE. TIM THOMPSON. HERE. JOHN SCHMID. HERE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE, AND RICHARD PARSON. ARE YOU HERE? PETER ? YES. OKAY. HE IS HERE, UH, APPROACHING HIS SEAT NOW. AND LET'S SEE, UH, MOLLY BALES, UH, HAS BEEN EXCUSED. I'LL WAIT TILL RICHARD TAKES HIS SEAT. YOU CAN GET THAT . HE NEEDS YOU TO SIT DOWN. SO MOVE ON TO THE [3. CONSENT AGENDA] CONSENT AGENDA. THERE WERE THREE SETS OF MINUTES SENT OUT TO YOU, WHICH ARE APRIL 17TH, 2024, MAY 15TH, 2024, AND SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2025. WERE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? SEEING NONE. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? ALL DO, DO YOU WANT TO APPROVE THE WHOLE CONSENT? BECAUSE THE CONSENT DOES HAVE THE, THE MEETING FOR 2026. YOU MAY WANNA TALK ABOUT THOSE HERE BEFORE WE, THERE ARE NO WRITTEN DECISIONS, UH, ACCORDING TO THE ADMINISTRATOR, CORRECT. AND THEN THE CALENDAR FOR THE YEAR, WE DISCUSSED AT DESIGN REVIEW, BUT IT, UM, IS A TRADITIONAL CALENDAR. CALENDAR NEXT YEAR WHERE WE MEET THE FIRST AND THIRD WEDNESDAYS OF EACH MONTH, EXCLUDING THE DECEMBER, UH, REGULAR MEETING, THE SECOND, THIRD WEDNESDAY. ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT SCHEDULE? WE HAVE IT NOW SHOWING ON THE SCREEN. SO SEEING NO CONCERNS, MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, INCLUDING THE THREE SETS OF MINUTES AND THE, UH, PROPOSED SCHEDULE FOR NEXT YEAR'S MEETINGS. SECOND. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. WITH THAT, THE INTRODUCTION [4.A. HEARINGS: INTRODUCTION, SWEARING-IN, SUMMARY OF PROCESS 1. Introduction of Hearings and Rules of Procedure 2. Swearing-In of Speakers 3. Summary of the Hearing Process] OF THE MEETING, SWEARING ON PROCESS, UH, THIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S BOARD OF ALDERMAN. IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE, BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BURNS. HISTORIC GUIDELINES. TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HBC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES DUE TO NEGLECT. THE HBC HOLDS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE COMMISSION HERE IS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION. THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION. THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES. LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONERS SHALL BE PRE FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINION, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, OR HEARSAY DURING A HEARING. THE COMMISSION'S DECISION ON AN APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT A HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. SO WE'D LIKE TO SWEAR IN PRESENTERS. NOW, SIR, IF YOU COME UP, YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH? YES, I DO. I DO. THANK YOU. AND HE ALREADY SIGNED. YES. SO WE'RE GOOD? YEP. ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO SPEAK OR PROVIDE [00:05:01] TESTIMONY RELATED TO A COA APPLICATION ON THIS MEETING'S AGENDA MUST BE SWORN IN AND MORTAR TO MAKE COMMENTS. HERE'S A SUMMARY OF HOW WE WILL GENERALLY CONDUCT A HEARING ON A COA APPLICATION. THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE PRESENTS THE APPLICATION. PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE. REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE AND OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT HE HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE. THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR PRESENTS THE STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THE APPLICANT OR OR REPRESENTATIVE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS ON THEIR APPLICATION COMMISSIONERS THEN DISCUSS THE, THE EVIDENCE AND MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR PRESENTERS. THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION WITH STATED FINDINGS OF FACT. THE MOTION IS THEN DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSION AND THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A VOTE ON A MOTION BY THE COMMISSION. A COA CAN BE APPROVED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED. WITH THAT, OUR FIRST [4.B. 314 Liberty St. – Continued from the June 18 and August 20, 2025 meetings: to include various modifications and replacements on all AVCs.] HEARING IS ON THREE 14 LIBERTY STREET. MATT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO REVIEW THAT? SURE. SO THIS WAS FIRST PRESENTED IN JUNE. UH, I'M SORRY. UH, WE JUNE, THIS MUST HAVE BEEN JUNE AND THEN CONTINUED TO TODAY. AND THIS IS FOR THE, UM, THIS IS THE APPLICATION RIGHT HERE FOR THE NEW VERN HOUSING AUTHORITY AT THREE 14 LIBERTY STREET. UH, AND WE HAVE, UM, SO REGGIE BARNER IS TYPICALLY THE OWNER FOR THAT. HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE, UH, AN AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE HERE. THE REST OF THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR THAT WITH REGGIE'S SIGNATURE. UM, AND HERE IS HIS, UM, STAGNER ARCHITECTURE IS THEIR DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE. AND MR. UH, ZANDER? YES. THAT'S YOUR LAST NAME, RIGHT? OH, PIAN IS MY LAST NAME. WHAT IS IT? PIAN ZANDER. PIAN IS THE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE FIRM TODAY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE, UM, PROVIDED, UM, AND JUST BECAUSE WE PRESENTED THIS WHOLE THING THE LAST TIME, DOESN'T MEAN WE DOESN'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT AGAIN, ALTHOUGH WE WILL PROBABLY GO THROUGH QUICKER AND HOPEFULLY, UH, WE, I THINK WE GOT MOST OF OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED THE LAST TIME, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT JUST DID THAT. AND THE REASON IT WAS CONTINUED IS YOU DO HAVE TO, YOU HAD TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. YES. AS I UNDERSTAND. AND I THINK, I THINK THIS WAS ACTUALLY CONTINUED TWICE. YES. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO THESE SHOW AERIALS OF THE ACTUAL SITE. THIS IS THE BUILDING, UH, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, HERE. THAT WAS JUST A CLOSEUP FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE. AND I'M STILL GONNA SLIDE THIS OVER. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME, UM, SITE PHOTOGRAPHS HERE. I THINK, UH, I PROBABLY, UH, TOOK THESE PHOTOS. UM, THE FRONT, WHY DOES THIS DO THIS? SORRY, I HAVE A TINY LITTLE CORNER HERE I HAVE TO POKE ON. UH, AND THAT'S THE LEFT SIDE. UM, AND, UH, THE ALLEY THAT KIND OF LEADS ALONG THIS SIDE WITH SOME PARKING HERE. THIS ALL GETS MODIFIED IN THE SITE PLAN. AND THEN AROUND THE BACK, THE, UH, CHANNELING FENCE IS TO BE REMOVED AND THE GRASS AREA, UM, IS TO ACCOMMODATE SOME NEW PARKING. WE'LL SEE THAT ALSO IN THE SITE PLAN. THERE'S A, UH, FARTHER OUT VIEW LOOKING AT THE ENTIRETY OF THAT AREA. THEN A CLOSER UP VIEW FROM THE ALLEY IN, ACROSS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. UM, THIS AREA WILL BE CHANGED AS WELL AS THE PARKING AND PAVEMENT IS REDONE IN THIS AREA. UH, THEN THIS IS ACTUALLY THE RIGHT HAND CORNER FROM THE FRONT. UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AS BEST AS YOU CAN FROM THE STREET. UM, YOU'LL NOTE THERE IS A, UM, UM, LIKE A SIX FOOT WALL HERE THAT'S ALREADY PREEXISTING, UH, BRICK WALL. AND THEN IT CONTINUES ALONG THE SIDE, UH, OF THE FRONT PORTION OF THE BUILDING. AND THERE IS SOME, UH, UM, NEW CONS, NEW, A LITTLE BIT OF NEW STUFF BEING BUILT OUTSIDE, UH, [00:10:01] BEYOND THE BRICK WALL HERE. ALRIGHT, SO THESE ARE THE, UM, THE PHOTOS AND EXPLANATION OF THE WORK FOR EACH ONE OF THESE AREAS AS WE GO ALONG. UM, THESE WERE ON POSTED EARLIER SO YOU COULD REVIEW THEM IF NECESSARY. UM, THE BOARDED UP WINDOWS, UM, GET FIXED. ONE GETS, UH, UH, CLOSED ENTIRELY. THE DOOR IS REPLACED. UM, NEW SIDING AND NEW WINDOWS ARE PROVIDED. UM, NEW LIGHTING, UH, TAKING CARE OF SOME WARPED IN ROTTEN FASCIAS, NEW INSULATED METAL ENTRY DOOR. THIS IS A PHOTO FROM SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. UH, AND THAT IS AT THE END OF THAT, THE INSIDE OF THAT BRICK WALL THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. AND THAT'S THE, UH, BACK ENTRYWAY AT THAT TIME. AND NOW THIS IS THE, UH, WHAT I REFERRED TO AS THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, LOOKING FROM THE BACK. SO IT'S ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE STRUCTURES ON THE RIGHT. AND THAT'S THAT CHAIN LINK AREA THAT WAS BEYOND THE BRICK WALL. SO NOW THIS IS THE REAR SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. UM, CAN'T QUITE SEE IT MAYBE SO WELL, BUT UNDERNEATH HERE IT'S PLYWOOD. UM, THAT WOULD, UM, BE REPLACED WITH, UM, ALUMINUM STOREFRONT MATERIALS LIKE, UH, IT HAD BEEN BEFORE OR IT'S COVER IN ALUMINUM. UM, THE REST OF THE BACKSIDE THERE. SO THE ALLEY ISN'T IN THE DISTANCE BEYOND TO GIVE YOU PERS PERSPECTIVE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING DOWN TINY BIT. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, UH, THIS IS ALSO EXTERIOR. SO THE CEILING OF THIS MORE OR LESS PORCH OR PATIO, COVERED PATIO AREA. AND NOW ON THE ROOF, THEY'RE ALSO DOING WORK UP THERE WITH, UH, NEW RIGID INSULATION AND NEW, UH, MEMBRANE ROOF ROOFING MATERIAL. UH, ALSO UP THERE WITH THE SAME NEW SIDING, UH, NEW WINDOWS AND TAKING CARE OF ANY ROTTEN WOOD. SAME HERE, JUST DIFFERENT LOCATION. SAME HERE. WE ALSO INCLUDE WASHING THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. YOU CAN SEE UP HERE THAT HAPPENS FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING. UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE REMOVING THESE TO, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL ROOFTOP VENTILATION UNITS. THE ROOFING GETS REPLACED, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. MM-HMM . AND THIS IS AGAIN, THAT, UH, MASONRY WALL, UH, IN THIS CASE I'M MENTIONING IT WILL JUST BE WASHED, UM, AND RESTORED. AND THERE'LL BE, UH, LOCATING SOME HVAC EQUIPMENT BACK THERE. SO NOW, UM, HAVE TO MAKE THIS SMALLER TO SEE THE FLOOR PLAN TO HELP US NOT THAT SMALL. OKAY. ONE MORE. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN. AND SO THE STREET IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS, UH, PLAN. AND SO THE MAIN ENTRY IS IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS BOTTOM EDGE. UH, AND, UH, SINCE I TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT IT EARLIER, THE, THAT BRICK BRICK WALL IS AROUND THIS RIGHT HAND SIDE HERE. UH, AND I GUESS IT, IT EXTENDS PAST HERE AS WELL. AND THEN BEYOND THAT, ON THIS RIGHT HAND SIDE WILL BE SOME NEW, UM, FENCING. WE HAVE A DRAWING FOR THAT. AND INSIDE THAT AREA, UH, WILL BE, AND A CONCRETE NEW CONCRETE PAD THERE. AND THERE WILL BE A NEW GAS POWER GENERATOR IN THERE. UM, AS FAR AS THE FLOOR PLAN GOES, NOTHING ELSE REALLY CHANGES MUCH EXCEPT IN THIS LARGE COMMUNITY ROOM. UM, THEY'RE ADDING THESE, UM, EXPANDING, UH, PANELS TO CREATE A POTENTIAL, UH, TEMPORARY WALL ACROSS THE SPACE. AND THE, UH, THAT ENDS UP ATTACHING HERE ON THE EXTERIOR, UH, WALL WHERE THERE [00:15:01] WAS PREVIOUSLY A WINDOW. SO THAT WINDOW IS NOW GOING TO BECOME A SOLID PANEL ON, ON THE OUTSIDE. SO THAT IS SOMETHING OF EFFECT TO NOTE. AND WE WILL SEE THAT IN THE REVISED, THE NEW REVISION REVISED DRAWINGS. UM, THIS IS THE ROOF PLAN. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE, UM, THE SITE AND, UH, OUTLINED HERE IN BLACK. AND THEN THE GREEN IS TO BE THE GRASSY AREAS. THE WHITE IS THE BUILDING. IN THE MIDDLE IS THE BUILDING. UH, AND ALL THE GRAY AREAS ARE NEW PAVING. EITHER SIDEWALKS, PATIOS, OR, SORRY, THIS IS A NEW COMPUTER AND IT IS BEING FRUSTRATING. OKAY, SO, UM, THE PARKING AREA WE DID SEE OVER THERE WILL REMAIN THE SAME, BUT HAVE SOME NEW, UH, NEW PAVING HERE AROUND THE, UH, UH, NEW HANDICAP UNIT AND RAMP, UH, OVER HERE, A DA RAMP THERE. AND THEN NOW YOU CAN SEE THE NEW PARKING AREA OUT BACK WHERE PREVIOUSLY ALONG THE BACK OF THE, OF THE BUILDING, IT HAD BEEN ALL CONCRETE ALONG THE BACK. THERE'LL BE NOW BE SOME NEW, UM, GRASSY OR LANDSCAPE AREAS ALONG THE BUILDING WITHIN A, A WALKWAY BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THAT, UH, GRASSY AREA. UH, AND THERE WILL BE A NEW, UH, DUMPSTER, AND IT'S ENCLOS IN AN ENCLOSURE BACK HERE. AND WE WILL SEE A DRAWING OF THAT. SO THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO YOU SEE, UM, SOME NEW PLANTINGS HAPPENING ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. UH, BUSHES AND SHRUBS. THEY KEEPING THE BIG OLD TREE ON THE CORNER. UM, MORE BUSHES AND SHRUBS ALONG THIS SIDE. UM, LET'S SEE, A COUPLE THESE, UH, SMALLER BLACK OR MEDIUM SIZED BLACK DOTS ARE THE, ARE SOME CREPE MYRTLES. UM, AND, UH, THESE ARE ALSO TREES BACK HERE, I BELIEVE EASTERN REDWOODS. UH, AND WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPING ALL ALONG THE BACKSIDE HERE AS WELL. THE, THE CURVES ARE JUST LINES ARE, ARE JUST LINES THAT ARE CONNECTING THEM TO IDENTIFY THEM AS ALL THE SAME IN THIS CASE. UH, HYDRANGEAS. SO THE LITTLE STARS. THERE'S TWO THERE AND TWO THERE, AND TWO THERE, AND TWO THERE. THOSE ARE ALL HYDRANGEAS. ALRIGHT, SO THESE ARE NEW ELEVATIONS SINCE LAST TIME. THE O ONLY CHANGES ON THE TOP ELEVATION ARE, THEY ADDED THE WINDOWS UP HERE UP ON THE TOP THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE IN THE PREVIOUS DRAWING. THOSE WINDOWS ARE EXISTING WINDOWS. THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE THEM IN THE PREVIOUS DRAWING. RIGHT. AND, UH, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M, IF I MISREPRESENT ANYTHING HERE. NO, SIR. UM, AND THEN, UH, ON THIS SIDE, THIS IS THE, UH, SIDE THAT FACES THE ALLEYWAY. SO ALL OF THAT, UM, CHAIN LINK THAT'S THERE IS BEING REMOVED. AND OTHERWISE THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO CHANGE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE LAST TIME. AND THEN THIS IS NOW THE REAR ELEVATION. AND THIS, THE CHANGE HERE TO THIS ELEVATION IS IT SHOWS THE, UH, PANEL THAT IT DIDN'T SHOW BEFORE, UH, THAT, UH, REPLACES THE WINDOW, UH, THAT WAS THERE BEFORE. UH, AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM, UH, IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS IT WAS LAST TIME. UH, THIS BEING THAT IT SHOWS, THIS IS THAT GENERATOR IN THE FENCING AROUND IT. UH, WHEN, UH, THE BUILDING IS CUT IN SECTION, YOU CAN, THROUGH THE ENTRYWAY, YOU CAN SEE AT THE ENTRYWAY SOMETHING YOU COULDN'T SEE FROM THE OTHER ELEVATION FROM THE ALLEY FACING THE ALLEY FACING ELEVATION. THAT IS, THAT THEY'RE INTENDING TO, UM, ADD TWO OF THOSE, UM, BA RELIEFS FROM, UH, TRENT COURT, UH, IN THE ENTRYWAY HERE. AND THEN THESE ARE THE ILLUSTRATIONS OF THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE WITH ITS GATE AND THEN THE ALUMINUM FENCING AROUND THE, UH, AROUND [00:20:01] THE GENERATOR. AND WE CAN SEE, UH, UM, NEW, UM, EXTERIOR STAIRS AND HANDRAIL. AND, UM, THE, UH, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW INDICATES, WELL, THIS IS THE SAME AS THE LAST TIME. SO THIS ONE, UH, TALKS ABOUT SPECIAL USE PERMIT NEEDED, SO IT NO LONGER NEEDS IT. AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT. AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR, WITH OUR STAFF REPORT. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT OR CLARIFY? UH, NO MORE. NOTHING ELSE TO ADD. IT WAS ALL PRETTY MUCH SAME FROM LAST, OTHER THAN THOSE TWO ELEVATIONS THAT HE MENTIONED. OKAY. UM, AND ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS HERE WHO CHOOSE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? COULD YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION? NO, NO, NOT YOU IN THE OH, OKAY. IN THE AUDIENCE DOESN'T APPEAR. SO, UM, THEN MOVE ON TO THE ADMINISTRATOR. OKAY. RECOMMENDATION? SURE. OUR STAFF REPORT. THE, UH, THIS IS FOR, UH, APPLICANT, UH, NEW BERN HOUSING AUTHORITY, UH, FOR THE PROJECT AT THREE 14. LIBERTY STREET. GONNA MAKE THIS BIGGER SENSE AGAIN. OKAY. UH, THIS IS FOR A PROJECT TO INCLUDE VARIOUS MODIFICATIONS AND REPLACEMENTS ON ALL ABCS. OH, BY THE WAY, UM, THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. UH, IT WAS BUILT CIRCA 1974, UM, OR I'M SORRY, IT WAS BUILT CIRCA 1974. LET ME BACK UP. AND, UH, IT COULD BE BY AGE, A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, BUT IT WOULD BE UP TO THE, UM, HPC TO DETERMINE IF IT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING OR CONTRIBUTING. AND THEN THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED. AND SAME WITH BECK'S. DESCRIPTIONS, ALSO NOT INCLUDED IN HIS BOOK EITHER. SO WE SUBMIT THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES 2.3, 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND SIX FOR LANDSCAPING, 2.4 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5, ONE, TWO, AND THREE FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.61 FOR PARKING, 2.7 0.2 AND FIVE FOR SIGNAGE, 2.8 0.23 AND FOUR FOR MODIFICATIONS. 3.2 0.1 AND TWO FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION. 4.2 0.4 FOR MASONRY, 5.6 FOR METALS, 5.3 0.3 AND FOUR FOR PAINT, 5.4, 0.26 AND EIGHT FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.23 AND FIVE AND SIX. AND FOR MASONRY MAINTENANCE, 6.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR WOOD MAINTENANCE, 6.1 0.6 AND SEVEN. AND PAINT MAINTENANCE, 6.1 POINT 11, AND 6.1 POINT 12. THE STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE UNLESS YOU DICTATE OTHERWISE. TWO, THE PROJECT IS MAINTENANCE REPLACEMENTS, GENERATOR INSTALLATION, NEW PARKING LOT, AND SITE WORK MODIFICATIONS ON ALL ABCS. THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES. FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY. AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. UM, REVISED PLANS, ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION. THAT'S THE END OF OUR STAFF REPORT. OKAY. LET'S, UH, ASK ONE QUESTION. THIS WAS A HEAD START BUILDING ORIGINALLY, IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK IT WAS A DAYCARE BEFORE DAYCARE SCHOOL, I THINK BEFORE THE, THEY STOPPED USING IT. SO, UH, AND THEN LET'S DISPENSE WITH THE QUESTION ABOUT CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONSIDER THE STRUCTURE AT SIX, NO, THREE 14 LIBERTY STREET TO BE A NON-CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE. YEAH, I THERE A SECOND. I I WOULD SECOND THAT AND I WOULD AGREE TO THAT. WE USUALLY LOOK AT HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL, UH, AND CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE [00:25:01] OF A STRUCTURE. UH, CERTAINLY THE, THE LIVING SPACES, UH, WERE THE, THE KEY PART OF ANY HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL AND CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE, UH, IN THIS CASE. I, I AGREE WITH MIKE THAT THIS YEAH, JUST READING. DOES IT, DOES IT MEET THE BAR, THE GUIDELINES? IS IT, IS IT SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE OF ITS HISTORIC USE AND EVENT? A PERSON, A BUILDER, OR AN ARCHITECT? YEAH, I FIND IT TO BE NONE OF THOSE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I I, I OPPOSED? SO I HAVE A QUESTION. WERE IN DISCUSSION MR. CHAIR, WHO WAS THE SECOND JUST ON THAT? OH, ON, JUST ON THE CONTRIBUTOR? YES. OKAY. I, AND THEN NOW I, I THOUGHT WE ALREADY PASSED THAT. YEAH. WELL, AND NOW LET'S MOVE ON TO JUST GENERAL DISCUSSION ON THE APPLICATION. HE HAD NO FURTHER COMMENTS. SO THAT'S, GO AHEAD. OKAY. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, MATT, IN YOUR, UM, STAFF REPORT YOU HAD, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. WAS THERE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON, ON, ON THIS BOOK? JUST THE, JUST THE DUMPSTER. OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT I MEANT SOMETHING. MAYBE EVEN DEBATABLE AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. YEAH, IT DOESN'T HAVE A ROOF, RIGHT? IT DOES. I'M NOT SURE I WOULD CALL THAT ONE ON. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN? BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS DURING THE DESIGN REVIEW ABOUT LANDSCAPING. ANYTHING CONCERNS THERE? YOU DID MODIFY THE PARKING LOT, I BELIEVE. SHIELDED. I'M GLAD YOU'RE KEEPING THAT, THAT OLD TREE ALONG THE, THE ALLEY THERE. THANK YOU. AND THE GENERATOR, WE DID DISCUSS, AND THAT NOW HAS GOOD SCREEN. UM, THE CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS THAT YOU'RE USING ARE ON THE SURFACE, CORRECT? THE, THE WOOD, THE, THERE'S NO LONGER A WOOD SURFACE, CORRECT? IT'S NOW CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS. YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE THE, FOR THE SIDING'S GONNA BE CEMENT, SIDING, FIBER, CEMENT, SIDING, CEMENT, HARDY, HARDY OR WHATEVER. YEAH. WHICH IS FINE IN A NON-CONTRIBUTING. ANYTHING FURTHER? ANY MORE COMMENTS? SO IT WILL BE USED AS THE HEADQUARTERS ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO WITH THAT IS, IS THERE A MOTION, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR THREE 14, UH, LIBERTY STREET, MR. APPROPRIATE, THAT'S FOR THREE 14 LIBERTY STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BRUIN'S. CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH FOUR 11 TO 15 DASH 4 29 IN NEW BRUIN'S, HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING PACIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, APPLICABLE GUIDELINES. UH, 2, 2 2 0.33. 2.36. UH, 2.4. 2.2 2.4 0.3 2.4 0.4. I CAN SCROLL DOWN. UH, 2.5, 2.5 0.2, UH, 2.5 0.3 2.6 0.1 2.7 0.2 2.7 0.5 2.8 0.2 2.8 0.3 2.8 0.4 3.2 3.2 0.2 4.2 5.6 5.33. 5.3 0.4 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.6 5.4 0.8 5.5 5.52. 5.5 0.35, POINT 0.5 5.5 6 6 2, 6 0.13, 6.14, 6.6, 6.17, 6.1 POINT 11 6.1 POINT. UH, FINDINGS OF FACT THE STRUCTURE IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. UM, THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF MAINTENANCE REPLACEMENT, UH, A GENERATOR, UH, ADDITIONAL PARKING AND, UM, MODIFICATIONS TO, UH, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN. THE DESIGN, THE COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE GUIDELINES. THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF, UM, BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED AND COMMENTED [00:30:01] ON THE APPLICATION. AND FINALLY, THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES AND IT DOES NOT DIMINISH THE SPECIAL CHARACTER OF THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, UH, ONE CONDITION IS THAT ANY, ANY REVISIONS TO THE PLAN THAT THE HBC IS APPROVING TONIGHT, THOSE CHANGES WILL BE TAKEN TO THE, UH, HBC ADMINISTRATOR, UH, TO BE EVALUATED BY THE HBC ADMINISTRATOR AND SUBMITTED BACK TO THE HBC IF NECESSARY. I'LL SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? I'LL ASK THE ADMINISTRATOR. DON'T SEE IN THE PACKET THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, BUT I KNOW I'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE. IS THAT IN THERE? IT WAS IN, DIDN'T I JUST HAVE THAT? YOU HAD, YOU HAD THE ZONING. ZONING RIGHT THERE. BOTTOM PAGE. HE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. HE'S, OH, OKAY. CHECKED, EXCUSE ME. IT WILL REQUIRE BUILDING PERMIT AND HE SIGNED IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP. SO CALL THE MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION TO ISSUE A COA. SO MOVE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. WE ARE DONE. THANK YOU EVERYONE. , FINALLY. THANK YOU. THAT'LL BE, IT'S A GOOD PLAN. MM-HMM . OKAY. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE THE NEXT GENTLEMAN HERE. SHALL WE MOVE ON TO THE THIRD ONE? CERTAINLY. YES. UM, AND THAT'S A REQUEST [4.D. 206-208 Metcalf St. - Continued from the August 20 and September 17, 2025 meetings: to include the enclosure of the rear porch in the Tertiary AVC and replacement of existing storm windows with new storm windows in all AVCs. The applicant has requested this application to be continued to the HPC Regular Meeting in January, 2025, at City Hall.] TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATION FOR 2 0 6 AND 2 0 8 METCALF STREET TO JANUARY, A REGULAR MEETING. THAT'S CORRECT. WHICH NOW WE AS HAVE ESTABLISHED AS JANUARY 21ST. RIGHT. AND SINCE THE APPLICANT IS HERE, COULD I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER SOMETHING YOU SIGNED THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION ON AUGUST 4TH. JANUARY 21ST IS GONNA BE 170 DAYS AFTER THAT. NOW THE ORDINANCE AND OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE CALL FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION WITHIN 180 DAYS. AND MY CONCERN WOULD BE IF FOR ANY REASON IN THE DESIGN REVIEW, PERHAPS IN JANUARY OR MAYBE YOU MIGHT NOT ATTEND IN JANUARY, COULDN'T ATTEND, WE'D HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO DENY IT. SO WOULD YOU AGREE NOW TO EXTEND THE 180 DAYS TO, FOR NINE MORE DAYS, 270 DAYS? YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO COMPLETELY TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA AND PUT IT BACK ON. THE REASON I PULLED IT OFF WAS I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY SCHEDULE'S GONNA BE. SO WHATEVER IS NOT GONNA BE CLUTTER WASTE TIME OR RESULT IN AN AUTOMATIC DENIAL, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO. YEAH, THERE'S NO, SO THE EXTENSION WOULD BE THE, WOULD MEET THAT THE BEST I THINK. I THINK, I THINK THE EXTENSION WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST. THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO REAPPLY THE SAME APPLICATION HOLD. IT JUST GIVES US A LITTLE BIT, IT GIVES BOTH OF US JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO GET IT, TO GET IT IN. I'M GOOD WITH WHATEVER'S EASY AND I'M PLANNING ON COMING TO THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING 'CAUSE THERE WAS A FEW LITTLE YEAH. THINGS THAT I WANNA FIGURE OUT. I WANNA HAVE IT LOCKED IN. SO WHATEVER'S EASY MATCHES, LET ME KNOW AND I'LL BE THERE WHEN I NEED TO BE. IT'S JUST MY SCHEDULE IS A LITTLE CRAZY. NINE 90 DAYS ADDITIONAL, IF THAT'S FAIR. YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. APPRECIATE THAT. AND THAT OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T MEANT TO PUSH YOU ALONG, BUT TO PUSH US ALONG. NO, IT'S FINE. IT'S FINE. THANKS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, SO NEED A MOTION? NEED A MOTION TO MR. CHAIR? UM, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, POSTPONE THE PROJECT. CONTINUE, CONTINUE, CONTINUE. EXCUSE ME. CONTINUE THE PROJECT AT 2 0 6. 2 0 8. IS THAT THE MEDCAP, RIGHT? YEAH. METCAL STREET TILL THE JANUARY 21ST MEETING. AND, UM, AS PART OF THAT ALSO TO GRANT THE EXTENSION OF 90 DAY EXTENSION FOR THE APPLICATION FOR SEAL. UM, YOU GUYS DON'T GRANT THE EXTENSION, THE APPLICANT REALLY JUST, YOU RECOGNIZE PERHAPS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO EXTEND THE DEADLINE. SO NOTED IT'S A DEADLINE ON YOU GUYS. IT'S NOT A DEADLINE ON THAT. OKAY. TIME AND PLACE. OKAY. SO THE, THE, THE, THE CONTINUANCE TO THE JANUARY 21ST MEETING MM-HMM . AT THIS SAME LOCATION, UM, SAME TIME FOR THE REASON THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT CONTINUANCE. AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION FOR 90 DAYS. IS THAT OKAY IN THE WINDOW FOR CONSIDERATION? SURE. IN THE WINDOW FOR CONSIDERATION. [00:35:01] OKAY. SECOND. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT MOTION? NO, THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? A MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, NOW, MATT, DO YOU THINK, UH, 1409 PAST IS COMING? IF WE CAN KEEP MOVING? YEAH, I SUGGESTED THAT IF NO ONE'S HERE BY THE END OF THE MEETING. RIGHT, RIGHT. I SUGGESTED WE WOULDN'T BE DONE TILL SIX 15 TO SIX 30 AT LEAST. SO, OKAY. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS THAT I'M AWARE OF. GENERAL [6. GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS] PUBLIC COMMENTS. SARA BLISS, SEVEN 11 P*****K STREET. UM, I, I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M HOPING YOU'LL ANSWER IT, UM, IF NOT, OKAY. UM, FIRST I WOULD, DID WANNA SAY IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE MOVEMENT ON THE HPC STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES. I SEE THAT YOU HAVE SOME PROPOSED DATES FOR MEETINGS AND A SURVEY. THAT'S A HUGE TIMING IMPROVEMENT FROM EARLIER THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S EXCELLENT. AND I'M SURE THAT WAS A LOT OF WORK. UM, ONE THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT I THINK IN THESE, UM, SESSIONS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE PUBLIC IS THAT THERE'S A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE RULES AND CONSTRAINTS THAT ANYONE HAS TO OPERATE UNDER. UM, SO LAST MONTH I ASKED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF AUTONOMY THAT THE HPC HAS TO CREATE ITS OWN GUIDELINES. CERTAINLY THERE'S THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR AND THEIR SHIPPO, BUT AT A LOCAL LEVEL, UM, EVERY JURISDICTION HAS FULL AUTONOMY, EVEN IN A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO CREATE THE RULES THAT WORK BEST FOR THEM. UM, MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE HPC HAS, THAT YOU GUYS DO HAVE FULL AUTONOMY, AND IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, COULD YOU PLEASE SHARE WHAT IT IS? SO AS WE'RE GOING INTO THESE MEETINGS, EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS. UM, MR. CHAIR. UM, I WOULD THINK THAT AT OUR MEETINGS WE'LL BE GLAD TO EXPLAIN KIND OF THE BASIS FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING. THIS IS NOT PROBABLY THE RIGHT VENUE, BUT I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING AT A, AT A, AT ONE OF OUR, UH, MEETINGS. BOTH OF THE MEETINGS PROBABLY. AND I EXPECT YOU'LL BE THERE, YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS? YES. . I WILL. THE SPECIAL MEETINGS THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT IN A FEW MINUTES, WHICH SHE REFERENCED IN HER COMMENTS MM-HMM . YEAH. THE NOVEMBER 6TH AND NOVEMBER 10TH, ASSUMING THAT YOU GUYS VOTE ON THAT AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. YEAH. OKAY. UM, YOU DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS, SO I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A REQUEST FORTH TO MATT. UM, CAN YOU FOLLOW UP WITH ME ON WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS? THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE HPC HAS ON ITS LEVEL OF AUTONOMY? WELL, CAN YOU SEND ME AN EMAIL TO THAT EFFECT SO WE SURE. I ABSOLUTELY CAN'T ACTUAL, UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I'LL HAVE, WHICH I'M NOT EXPECTING AN ANSWER TO, BUT I WILL ALSO ASK MATT, IS IN THAT MEETING, IS IT GONNA BE DISCUSSION BASED WHERE THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE AND GET QUESTIONS ANSWERED? OR IS IT GONNA BE WHERE PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY ANSWERS? AND THEN THE FINAL QUESTION I HAVE THAT I'LL ALSO PUT FORTH IS IN THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETINGS, THERE'S TWO HPC MEETINGS EVERY MONTH, DESIGN REVIEW, AND THIS IN THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, THE BOARD'S POSITION IS THAT YOU DON'T ALWAYS ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENTS. THAT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION. AND WHEN YOU DO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU SAY THE SAME THING, THAT YOU DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS. AND THEN HERE YOU DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS. MATT, MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A RESPONSE BACK FROM THE BOARD ON WHAT THEIR POSITION IS ON THINGS OR DOES THE HPC ACT AS A MEDIARY FOR EVERYTHING THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW? AND I'LL PUT THAT IN AN EMAIL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. MOVING ON, [7.A. Updating the Design Principles and Standards – plans for outreach and feedback discussions and survey; call for two Special HPC Meetings on November 6, 5:30 p.m., at the Stanley White Recreation Center, 601 3rd Avenue, and November 10, at 1:00 p.m. at the West New Bern Recreation Center, 1225 Pine Tree Drive.] ON NEW BUSINESS. I WILL, I'M, I'M CALLING FOR TWO SPECIAL MEETINGS, ONE ON NOVEMBER 6TH AND ANOTHER ON NOVEMBER 10TH. THE PURPOSE OF THESE MEETINGS IS TO HOLD SMALL GROUP DISCUSSIONS OF HPC DESIGN STANDARDS WITH THE PUBLIC. THE MEETINGS WILL BE THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 6TH AT STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER [00:40:01] FROM FIVE 30 TO SEVEN 30 AT 6 0 1 THIRD AVENUE. AND ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 10TH FROM ONE TO 3:00 PM AT WEST NEW BERN RECREATION CENTER, 1225 PINE TREE DRIVE ADVERTISING WILL BE PUBLISHED. AND A SURVEY WILL ALSO BE SENT OUT TO BOTH DISTRICTS, PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL AS SOME OTHERS IN ADVANCE FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO RESPOND VIA EMAIL. AND THE, THE FORMAT WILL BE DISCUSSION GROUPS, NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS, BUT GATHERING COMMENTS. WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. AND CHAIR, MR. CHAIRMAN, DID YOU MENTION THAT AT EACH TABLE BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION OR A DIFFERENT TOPIC AND THEY'LL ROTATE ON A TIME BASED THAT'S, THAT'S THE CURRENT PLAN. THAT'S THE CURRENT PLAN. WE'RE, WE'RE CALLING IT A CHARETTE. CHARETTE, NOT CHARADES, BUT CHARETTE. EXACTLY. SO IT WILL HOPEFULLY BE A GOOD SESSION. WE, WE DO SEEK PUBLIC INPUT. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT. AND THE, THE EMAIL, UH, THAT'S GOING OUT AS WELL IS A 30, 30 QUESTION WITH, WITH ROOM FOR COMMENT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR GOAL. SO DO WE NEED A MOTION TO SCHEDULE THAT MEETING OR DO I JUST CALL IT THE RULES AND PROCEDURE ALLOW YOU TO CALL AS THE CHAIRMAN, BUT SINCE YOU ALL ARE HERE, YOU ARE WELCOME TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION JUST TO GET EVERYONE'S BUY-IN. OKAY. ON THOSE TIMES AND DATES FOR THOSE PURPOSES. A MOTION TO MR. CHAIR, UM, I'LL MAKE A, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, UM, I GUESS WE'RE NOT CALLING, YOU CALLED IT THAT WE RATIFY YOUR CALLING OF TWO SPECIAL MEETINGS, ONE ON NOVEMBER 9TH AND ANOTHER ON NOVEMBER 10TH. SIXTH AND SIXTH. SIXTH AND WHAT DID I SAY? NINTH? YEAH. NOVEMBER 6TH. I'M SORRY. NOVEMBER 6TH. AND, UM, NOVEMBER 10TH. THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETINGS IS TO HOLD SMALL GROUP DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THE HPC DESIGN STANDARDS AND THEIR PROCEDURES. THE MEETINGS WILL BE PUBLIC AND THE FIRST WILL BE AT FIVE 30 TO SEVEN 30 ON THE SIXTH AT THE STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER. AND THE OTHER WILL BE ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 10TH FROM ONE TO THREE AT THE WEST NEWBURN RECREATION CENTER, WHICH IS AT 1 2 2 5 PINE TREE DRIVE. SECOND. SECOND. AYE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I HAD EMAILED YOU, IF YOU WILL LET ME KNOW WHICH YOU CAN ATTEND AND HOPEFULLY BOTH, BUT PLEASE LEMME KNOW. AND ELENA, I'LL GET YOU A COPYRIGHT. THANK YOU. WHAT TIME IS NOVEMBER 6TH AGAIN? FIVE 30. FIVE 30 TO SEVEN 30. THAT'S RIGHT. YEP. THE THURSDAY IS AN EVENING MEETING. THE MONDAY IS AN AFTERNOON MEETING. THEY'RE BOTH TWO HOURS. YES. OKAY. UM, THAT'S OUR, WE HAVE AN EXTRA HALF HOUR I THINK ON EACH THAT THAT'S THE GOAL. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK IT DEPENDS A LITTLE BIT ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY COME. SO SHALL WE PROCEED [8. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT] WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT AND THEN SEE IF THE GENERAL COMES FOR 1409 PAST NORTH PAST? RIGHT. SO WE, UH, CAN SEE, UH, FROM SEPTEMBER FIVE TO OCTOBER ONE, THERE HAVE BEEN NO COAS TO DENY, UH, SIX. UH, AND THE SAME TIME PERIOD, UH, WE'VE HAD 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, UH, MAJOR COAS EXTENSIONS, AMENDMENTS, AND CONDITIONAL APPROVALS ISSUED WITH ONE PENDING. AND, UH, FROM SEPTEMBER FIVE TO OCTOBER ONE, UH, THE MINORS WERE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 OF THOSE WITH ABOUT 28 PENDING, I COUNTED TODAY. AND WE'RE DOWN TO ABOUT 23 PENDING. UM, WE'VE DONE MORE THAN FIVE. UH, BUT MANY HAVE COME IN JUST EVEN TODAY. ANOTHER ONE CAME IN. SO IS THE NEW PROCESS HELPING? YES. YES. WELL, YOU SAY NEW PROCESS, THE BIGGEST HELP IS THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANY NOTIFICATIONS OR ANYTHING FOR THIS MEETING. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY NEW APPLICATIONS THAT PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO SUBMIT NEW INFORMATION AT THE LAST MINUTE AND PHONE CALLS AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO, UM, I ACTUALLY DID GET, UH, QUITE A FEW COMPARATIVELY COMPARED TO NORMAL. QUITE A FEW COAS AND REPLACEMENTS IN KIND. UM, ISSUED THIS PAST TWO WEEKS, AND I'LL JUST TAKE THE TIME, I GUESS YOU CAN CORRECT ME, BUT FIRST YOU HAD TO DETERMINE WHO LIVED WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF EACH APPLICATION. OH, FOR NOTIFICATIONS? YEAH. THEN YOU HAD TO SEND LETTERS OUT TO EACH ONE. CORRECT. THEN YOU HAD TO, TO PUT A SIGN OUT. YES. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SO IT, IT SAVES A GOOD BIT OF YOUR TIME. MM-HMM . IT DOES. AND THEN LASTLY, UM, UNDER DI HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE MISCELLANEOUS THINGS. THIS TIME WE [00:45:01] HAVE A VIOLATION THAT WAS, UH, SOLVED, UH, OVER THAT TIME PERIOD OR RESOLVED CASE CLOSED OVER THAT TIME PERIOD FOR SIX 10 CRAVEN STREET. AND THAT'S THE END OF MY REPORT. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? AND DID YOU SAY YOU TOLD HIM SIX 30 OR SIX 15? SIX 15. OKAY. YEAH, SO, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE FULLY PREPARED TO BE HERE NEXT MONTH OF DAY. WE COULD HAVE TIM DO HIS FIVE MINUTES. I WOULD JUST HATE THAT WE WRAP, WRAP THE GAVEL AND BECOME SAUNTERING. YEAH. YEAH. BUT YOU DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE LEFT. DISCUSS THOUGH. OKAY. WITH THAT, IF THERE'S NO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, WE WILL HAVE AN EARLY NIGHT. SO SHOULD WE, UH, SHOULD [4.C. 1409 N. Pasteur St. – Continued from the September 17, 2025 meeting: to include a new screened rear porch addition in the Tertiary AVC.] WE TAKE, TAKE ACTION ON YES. NINE. YOU NEED TO VOTE ON CONTINUING. 1409. OH, WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE. SO IS THERE A MOTION TO CONTINUE 1409 TO YES, I'D, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO CONTINUE FOUR NOVEMBER. HEARING OF 1409, UH, NORTH PAST STREET TO NOVEMBER 19TH, THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING AT FIVE 30 IN, UH, CITY HALL. UH, JUSTIFICATION IS THE APPLICANT WAS OUT OF TOWN AND THEY WERE NOT SURE THEY COULD GET BACK IN TIME FOR THE HEARING. THERE A SECOND. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. THE MEETING CONTINUED. ALRIGHT, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. AND A MOTION FOR TO ADJO. SO I'LL MOVE FURTHER TIME. MR. CHAIR. SECOND. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 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