* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THE [00:00:01] TIME IS FIVE 30. CALL AN ORDER NOVEMBER MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. MATT, WOULD YOU PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL OF COMMISSIONERS? CERTAINLY. UH, MOLLY PALES. HERE. ROSS. PHOEBE? HERE. GREGORY RUSH? HERE. MIKE WIKA? HERE. JIM MORRISON? HERE. TIM THOMPSON. HERE. JOHN SCHMID? HERE. RICHARD PARSONS HERE. AND ELENA HUBER IS ABSENT. OKAY. AND I'LL REMIND YOU TO LEAN INTO YOUR MICS WHEN YOU SPEAK TONIGHT. READING OF THE MINUTES. DO HAVE A MOTION TO DISPENSE WITH THE READING OF THE MINUTES? SO MOVED. SECOND. [3. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA ] ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? HEARING NONE. THERE ARE NO ADJUSTMENTS [4. CONSENT AGENDA ] TO THE AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE? SO, MOVED. SECOND. UM, I HAVE DISCUSSIONS, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. ON THE, ON THE, UM, MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 15TH, 2025, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CHANGES. UM, THE, THE PROJECT AT 1409 NORTH PASTEUR IS LABELED AT 14 14 0 9 NORTH CRAVEN IN TWO LOCATIONS. SO I THINK WE SHOULD, UM, MAKE THAT CHANGE. SO WE MAKE, UM, I GUESS A, A, A MOTION TO HAVE THE AMENDED, UM, MINUTES, THE MOTION TO BE, TO APPROVE WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS. AND I HAVE CORRECTED MY COPY HERE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. IN [5.A. HEARINGS: INTRODUCTION, SWEARING-IN, SUMMARY OF PROCESS 1. Introduction of Hearings and Rules of Procedure 2. Swearing-In of Speakers 3. Summary of the Hearing Process ] MOVING ON HEARINGS ON CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S BOARD OF ALDERMAN. IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BOTH DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE, BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. TWO OF THE MAJOR TESTS OF THE HPC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES DUE TO NEGLECT. THE HPC HOLDS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE COMMISSION HERE IS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION. THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION, THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES. LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINION, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, OR HEARSAY DURING A HEARING. THE COMMISSION DECISION ON AN APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT A HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. MR. SHELLEY, IF YOU'LL SWEAR IN WITNESSES, DO YOU GET TO SWEAR US IN? YEAH. ALRIGHT. UH, ANYONE WHO IS GONNA BE SPEAKING ABOUT ANY OF THE PROJECTS THIS EVENING, UH, PLEASE COME FORWARD IF YOU SWORN IN. I, YOU, ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. GO AHEAD AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. I DO. I DO. THANK YOU. SIT. YEAH, I GOT IT. I'LL SUMMARIZE THE HEARING PROCESS FOR APPLICATIONS. THE HBC ADMINISTRATOR PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, THEN THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE PRESENTS THE APPLICATION. PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE. REBUTTAL IS ALIVE BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE. OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED CAN PREVENT EVIDENCE. THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR PRESENTS THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS ON THEIR APPLICATION. THEN THE COMMISSIONERS DISCUSS THE EVIDENCE AND MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR PRESENTERS. THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION WITH STATED FINDINGS OF FACT. THE MOTION IS DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSION. THE CHAIRMAN THEN CALLS FOR A VOTE ON THE MOTION BY THE COMMISSION, AND THE COA CAN BE APPROVED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIES. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE [5.B. 1409 N. Pasteur St. – Continued from the September 17, and October 15, 2025, meetings: to include a new screened rear porch addition in the Tertiary AVC.] TO THE VERY FIRST HEARING, WHICH IS [00:05:01] 1409 PASTOR STREET. CORRECT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE SUBMARINE. THE, AND IS THE APPLICANT THE APPLICANT HERE? YES. THE ANSWER HERE. OKAY, GOOD. UM, THIS IS THE APPLICATION FORM, UH, FOR 1409 NORTH PASTOR STREET FOR BLAIR KAUFMAN. AND THE PROJECT AS DESCRIBED HERE IN A FEW SENTENCES, UM, AND REFERENCED THE GUIDELINES AND AN ADDENDUM FOR THE DESCRIPTION OF THE MATERIALS. UM, THE APPROPRIATE BOXES ARE CHECKED OFF AND, UH, HE HAS SIGNED AND DATED THIS FORM, UH, IN CASE, UH, JOHN ZER WAS GOING TO SPEAK FOR HIM. UH, THE FORM WAS PRE PREPARED FOR THIS, BUT, UH, THAT'S NOT NECESSARY THIS EVENING SINCE THE OWNER IS HERE. THE ADDENDUM, UM, UH, DESCRIBES THE VARIOUS, UH, GUIDELINES AND THEN, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, FOR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS, WE NOW DO THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS HERE. UM, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS INDICATED THAT A ZONING PERMIT IS REQUIRED AND HE'S SIGNED AND DATED THAT, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS THE PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT AND THE, UH, BUILDING PERMIT IS REQUIRED. AND HE'S SIGNED AND DATED THAT AS WELL. SO, AS AN OVERVIEW, IT'S MAYBE BEEN A FEW MONTHS, RIGHT? YES. SINCE WE WENT OVER THIS, UH, THE VERY FIRST TIME, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, WE'LL USE SOME AERIALS HERE TO SHOW THE PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDINGS, UH, WE CAN SEE IT'S HIGHLIGHTED HERE, HAS SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL, UH, ZIGZAG IN THE, UH, IN THE PROPERTY OUTLINE. BUT WE'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT, UH, BACK OF THE HOUSE. SO THIS AREA HERE ON THE SCREEN, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, THAT YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE AN EXISTING, UH, UH, ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE BACK AS WELL. SO, UM, AND I'VE ALSO ZOOMED IN QUITE A BIT. SO YOU CAN SEE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A DECK THERE. THEY WILL BE REMOVING THAT TO CONSTRUCT THE, UH, THE NEW REAR PORCH ADDITION. SO WE GO, UH, AND THIS IS A, AN OLD, UM, SURVEY FOR THE PROPERTY, UM, WHERE THEY'VE SKETCHED THAT NEW ADDITION ON, ON THE BACK. AND THEY'VE DELINEATED THAT THE PORCH WILL BE 16 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE NORTH AND 14 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE SOUTH. UM, ALL OF THAT IS CLEARLY WITHIN THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK. UH, FIVE, FIVE FOOT SETBACK SIDE YARD SETBACK IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THEN 25 FEET FROM THE GARAGE, UH, WHICH IS REQUIRED TO BE EIGHT FEET, SO, OR EIGHT FEET OR MORE. ALRIGHT, SO THAT SEEMS TO BE FINE. THEN, UH, JUST TO, SO FOR REFERENCE, PROVIDING SOME OF THE IMAGES OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, JUST THE BEGIN. UH, TO BEGIN WITH THE VERY FRONT OF THE BUILDING, SO YOU HAVE THE IDEA OF THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING FROM THE FRONT. WE HAVE TWO VIEWS OF THAT. UM, THERE IS A DRIVEWAY WHICH GOES UP THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND ON THIS ONE YOU CAN SEE THE LEFT SIDE. AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING INCLUDES A ONE STORY ADDITION ALREADY ON THE BACK. SO THIS IS NOW THE BACK, UH, PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANTS, UH, WITH THE DECK THAT WILL BE REMOVED. BUT TO NOTE THAT, OF COURSE, THEN, UH, WHEN YOU ATTACH A PORCH ONTO THIS, THESE, THE DOOR AND THE WINDOW, UH, WILL BE, UH, ON THE PORCH. MATT, IT'S, UM, THAT'S ALSO LABELED NORTH CRAVEN. OH, GEEZ. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CORRECT. WE WE'RE NOT GONNA FOLLOW QUESTION. ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT MOVING YOUR, YOUR HOUSE ? NO WONDER. NO. OKAY. SO, UH, SO WE SEE HERE AGAIN, UH, DOORS AND WINDOWS, UH, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD REMAIN, UH, AND THE SLOPING ROOF. WE'LL SEE, UH, HOW THEY ADDRESS THAT IN THEIR SKETCHES. SO, UM, HERE YOU HAVE A SIDE VIEW WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT SLOPING ROOF, AND THERE IS AN EXISTING CHIMNEY, WHICH IS TO REMAIN. UH, AND THEN, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOWS ON THIS SIDE OF THIS EXISTING ADDITION THERE. SO, AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, SAME THING. UH, THERE ARE TWO [00:10:01] WINDOWS HERE AS WELL AND A DOOR. UM, SO THE EXISTING FRONT RAILING, UM, IS TO BE, UH, REPLICATED IN THE, UH, NEW EDITION. SO THEY SHOW US PHOTOS OF THAT, AND THEN THESE ARE NOW THE DRAWINGS. SO, UM, WHAT WE SEE IN THE UPPER LEFT IS THE FOUNDATION PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THEY DO HAVE PIERS ALONG THE, UH, FACE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING SO THAT THE STRUCTURE, UM, UH, IS NOT A DIS, YOU KNOW, DISRUPTING WHAT BEING ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING DOESN'T NECESSARILY DISRUPT THE EXISTING BUILDING FACE. UH, BUT NEVERTHELESS, UH, THE, THEN THIS RIGHT ELEVATION THEY CALL IT, UH, THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE SOUTH, UH, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, UH, EXISTING ROOF, UH, ALSO ON THE RIGHT HERE WE SEE SIDING, AND THAT'S THE, UH, EXISTING, UH, ONE STORY ADDITION. AND SO THE EXISTING ROOF HAS AN ANGLE LIKE THIS HERE. AND SO THEY'RE ADDING ON THIS ROOF, UH, BASICALLY AS AN EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING, UH, ROOF. UH, AND LET'S SEE, UM, WHAT LOOKS LIKE OPEN SPACE HERE WITH THESE WHITE AREAS IS ACTUALLY, UM, TO BE INFILLED WITH, UH, INSECT SCREENING FROM, UH, FLOOR TO CEILING. UH, AND THAT INSECT SCREENING IS BEHIND THE, THE, UH, THE POSTS, UH, AS REQUIRED. UH, THEN THIS THIRD BAY HERE IS ACTUALLY OPEN WITHOUT SCREENING, AND, UH, IS BASICALLY LIKE A REGULAR BACK PORCH. SO YOU HAVE A SCREENED IN PORTION, TWO THIRDS, SO TO SAY, AND ONE THIRD IS UN ENCLOSED. UH, AND THEN THE LEFT SIDE IS A, BASICALLY A, A MIRROR IMAGE OF THAT AS WELL. SO THEN FROM THE BACK, UH, WE SEE THAT IT'S, UH, DESIGNED SUCH THAT IT HAS STAIRS DOWN THE MIDDLE. AND THEN THE, UH, RAILINGS ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT. THE EXISTING DOOR IS SHOWN HERE ON THE LEFT AND ON THE RIGHT. UH, THEN THE LOWER LEFT HERE IS THE FLOOR PLAN, WHICH SHOWS, UH, THAT THE SCREENING OF COURSE THEN HAS TO HAVE A SEPARATE WALL, UH, A SCREEN WALL, UH, AT THAT TWO THIRDS MARK, UH, THROUGH THE FLOOR PLAN AND A DOORWAY, UH, ON THE LEFT. UH, UH, BUT OTHERWISE THEN THIS OUTDOOR PORTION IS, UM, UH, THIS LOWER PORTION HERE IS OUTDOORS. SO, UM, AND COVERED BY ROOF. THIS IS A ROOFING PLAN. THEY HAVE A LITTLE SECTION OF THE DRAWING OF THEIR STRUCTURE OVER HERE. IT INDICATES SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WE WERE ASKING ABOUT. SO THEY WILL HAVE FIBERGLASS SHINGLES ON THE ROOF. UM, AND, UH, THE POSTS AND SUCH ARE ALL WOOD, UM, CONCRETE FOOTINGS AND REBARS AND STUFF. UM, WE AREN'T SO WORRIED ABOUT. UM, AND HERE'S WHERE THEY NOTE THE SCREENING TO BE INSIDE THE POSTS AND RAILINGS. AND THE SCREEN SECTION EXTENDS TO THE FIRST TWO BAYS FROM THE HOUSE. THE LAST BAY IS OPEN AIR DECK. UM, THEN ALSO ON THE SIDE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, UH, A NEW CONSTRUCTION, THERE IS A SKIRTING BOARD. UM, AND THEY WILL HAVE THREE INCH HORIZONTAL CEDAR SLATS UNDERNEATH THIS TO ENCLOSE THAT SPACE, THAT OPEN, OTHERWISE OPEN SPACE. UM, WE DID ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THAT. UM, THE PORCH FLOOR TO THE GROUND MEASUREMENT IS APPROXIMATELY 36 INCHES. THE MATERIAL IS TREATED LUMBER DECK BOARDS MEASURING SIX BY ONE AND A QUARTER INCH. UH, THEY'LL BE PAINTED, UH, OR BOARDS TO BE STAINED TO MATCH THE HOUSE FOUNDATION GRAY. AND THE PLACEMENT IS HORIZONTAL, UM, PLACED WITH APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A QUARTER INCH GAP BETWEEN EACH BOARD. AND THEY'VE, UH, ALSO PROVIDED A PHOTO TO REFERENCE, UH, OF AN EXAMPLE, UH, THE PORCH SCREENS INSIDE THE FOES AND RAILINGS. WE, UM, MENTIONED THAT FROM THE PREVIOUS DRAWING. AND THEN THE MATERIALS OVERALL, UM, THE TRIM DOOR RAILS AND SPINDLES WILL ALL BE WOOD, WHICH BE PRIMED OR STAINED BEFORE CONSTRUCTION. AND HERE THEY HAVE THE NOTES ABOUT THE TRIM, THE DECK BOARDS, THE SKIRTING AND THE SCREENS. AND THEN, UH, THE RAILINGS AND BALLISTERS ALSO, UM, HITTING THE, UH, UH, REQUIREMENTS. THAT'LL BE, UH, THREE, NOT THREE FEET APART, BUT THREE INCHES APART, I ASSUME, I ASSUME. AND MATCHED THE STYLE USED ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND RECENTLY INSTALLED AT THE FRONT AND SIDE ENTRANCES AND THE CHIMNEY IS TO REMAIN. [00:15:02] SO THOSE WERE THE MAIN POINTS WE NEEDED THEM TO CLARIFY. AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, I'M READY WITH MY STAFF REPORT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? WELL, IF THERE'S ANY CONFUSION ABOUT THIS, CAN YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE? MATTHEW, YOU COME UP. CAN YOU COME TO THE MIC? CAN YOU COME? SORRY, COULD YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE? OH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT THANK MATTHEW. HE'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH. HE'S, AND IM SORRY, AGAIN, COULD YOU, COULD YOU INTRODUCE, MY NAME IS BLAIR HOFFMAN. THANK I, I'M THE OWNER WITH MY WIFE OF, UH, 1409 NORTH PASTURE. WE ALSO OWN THE HOUSE IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR AT 1407. UH, SO THANK YOU, MATT, FOR HELPING US ALONG WITH THIS PROJECT. SINCE LAST AUGUST, WE'VE BEEN, UH, TRYING TO GET THIS, UH, USHERED THROUGH HERE. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. UH, SO, UH, THIS THE ONLY, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU PICKED UP ON THE CONFLICT ON THE SKIRTING, UH, BECAUSE WE PUT IN THREE INCH, UH, CEDAR, UH, STRIPS IS WHAT WE INITIALLY HAD THOUGHT ABOUT, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA JUST USE DECK BOARD FOR THAT. SO IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN THAT. AND, UH, I THINK THERE'S A PHOTO IN THE, UH, BATCH OF PHOTOS I GAVE YOU. HERE IT IS. UH, THE, IT'LL BE MORE LIKE THAT, THAT KIND OF SKIRTING. SO WE JUST HADN'T SETTLED ON IT. AND, AND YET, SO I'M JUST UNDER THE OPEN SECTION MM-HMM . OR, OKAY. YES. AND ONLY 36 INCHES. THIS EXAMPLE, OBVIOUSLY IS TALLER. YES. SO, ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER. SO WHAT SIZE, WHAT SIZE OF THOSE DECK BOARDS ARE THOSE? SIX INCH? YES. OKAY, SO REALLY YOU'LL HAVE FIVE, FOUR OR FIVE OF THOSE. ABOUT FIVE OF THEM. PROBABLY IT'S 30. YEAH, IT IS 36 INCHES. AND THERE'LL BE LIKE, UH, LIKE A INCH AND A HALF OR SOMETHING BETWEEN EACH ONE. MM-HMM . ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. THANK YOU, MATT. OKAY. IF YOU'LL GIVE US YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. YES. YEP. MY STAFF REPORT. ALRIGHT. UM, SO THIS IS FOR, UM, UH, THE PROPERTY O OR APPLICANT IS MR. KAUFMAN. UH, THE PROJECT ADDRESS 1409 NORTH PASTOR STREET. UM, THE, IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS HOUSE, UH, AND BILL CIRCA 1915. IT IS, UH, LISTED AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. AND SO IN THE INVENTORY DESCRIPTION, UH, WHICH WAS WRITTEN IN 1988, UM, THREE LOTS IN THIS LOCATION WERE ACQUIRED BY TJ TURNER IN 1913. AND VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL HOUSES WERE BUILT ON EACH IN THE ENSUING YEARS, ALTHOUGH LITTLE MORE HAS BEEN DETERMINED ABOUT THEM. ALSO GLAD IN ASBE AS SIDING. THIS TWO STORY FRAME, DOUBLE PILE SIDE HALL PLAN HOUSE HAS A STANDING SEAM TIN HIGH HIP ROOF, A ONE STORY HIP ROOF PORCH HAS WROUGHT IRON SUPPORTS RISING FROM A CONCRETE DECK ON A NEW BRICK FOUNDATION. THE TWO BAY FACADE HAS A LARGE ONE OVER ONE WINDOW TO THE LEFT SOUTH OF THE TRANSOM ENTRANCE. OTHER WINDOWS ARE TWO OVER TWO. SASH A ONE STORY L EXTENDS TO THE REAR WITH A PORCH ON THE INNER ELEVATION. A SMALL SHED ROOF ADDITION PROJECTS FROM THIS PORCH. THE INTERIOR CHIMNEY IS ON THE SOUTHEAST ROOF SLOPE, UH, AND SAND. BECK HAD NO DESCRIPTION OF THE STRUCTURE. UH, SO FOR 1409 NORTH PASTORE, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A NEW PARTIALLY SCREENED REAR PORCH EDITION IN THE TERTIARY A, B, C. AND STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION ARE DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR ADDITIONS, 3.31, TWO, AND THREE FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.1 AND FOUR WINDOWS DOOR AND OPENINGS, 4.3 0.1 FOR ENTRANCES, 4.44 AND FIVE FOR ROOFS, 4.5 0.1, AND THREE FOR PAINT. 5.4, 2, 3, 4, AND SIX. AND THE STATEMENTS ARE REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE APPLICATIONS FOR A NEW PARTIALLY SCREENED REAR PORCH EDITION IN THE TERTIARY A VC OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. TWO, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS. THREE, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY. AND FOUR, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS AND THE HBC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. UH, ANY REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION ACCORDING [00:20:01] TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL BY STAFF OR THE HPC ACCORDING TO THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION. THAT'S THE END OF OUR REPORT. OKAY. HAVING HEARD THE GUIDELINES, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO RECEIVED NOTICE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS A PROPONENT OF THE APPLICATION? HOW ABOUT ANYONE WHO RECEIVED NOTICE, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS AN OPPONENT OF THE APPLICATION, AND ANYONE ELSE WHO FEELS THAT THEY ARE PARTICULARLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION AND WHICH WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT WITH THAT? COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, THE, THE PORCH, UH, THAT'S PROPOSED IS IN A TERTIARY AREA. UH, MASKELL PROPORTION SEEMS TO BE, UH, APPROPRIATE TO OTHER, UH, BACK PORCHES THAT WE'VE APPROVED. UH, THE, UH, THERE'S A PICTURE IN THE PACKET OF WHERE YOU CAN SEE A BACK PORCH ON THE SISTER HOUSE. SO THE PROPOSED DESIGN SEEMS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH, UH, WITH OTHER HOUSES THAT YOU WOULD SEE, UM, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. MR. CHAIR, I WOULD AGREE. I THINK THAT THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES ARE, ARE MET. UM, I THINK THAT ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ADDITIONS SEEM TO BE MET AS WELL. SO IIII THINK THAT THIS, UM, THIS PROJECT MEETS, IF ANY, NO FURTHER COMMENTS. UH, CALL FOR A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. APPROPRIATENESS FOR 1409 NORTH PASTURE STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BERN'S CODE OF E OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH FOUR 11 TO 15 DASH 4 29. AND NUMEROUS NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT GUIDELINES UNDER DESIGN PRINCIPLES. 3.1, 0.1 MODIFICATIONS, 3.1. THREE POINT ADDITION IS 3.31, 3.32, 3.33 WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.4 0.4 WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 0.1 ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.4 4.4 0.5. ROOFS 4.4 POINT PAINT, FIVE POINT 0.5 0.43. 5.4. UH, FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, THE APPLICATION IS FOR A SCREENED IN REAR PORCH AND A TERTIARY AREA, UH, AND A TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. THE PROPOSED DESIGN, UH, COMPONENTS, MATERIALS MEET THE GUIDELINES. THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, HAVE, UH, REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND COMMENTED, UH, THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, AND IT DOES NOT DIMINISH THE SPECIAL CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS A CONDITION. ANY, UH, ANY CHANGES, UH, BEYOND WHAT ARE APPROVED IN THIS HEARING, UH, WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR, UH, FOR REVIEW AND, UH, POSSIBLY TAKEN TO THE HPC AS NEEDED, UH, AS, UH, ADDENDUM YOU SECOND. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. IS THERE A MOTION FOR A COA? SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A AYE. MOTION CARRIES ISSUE. A COA. THANK YOU. YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE RECORD. YOU KNOW, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS PROJECT. YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT A DESIGN REVIEW IN AUGUST, AND I JUST WANT EVERYBODY WATCHING TO KNOW THIS ONE WASN'T BECAUSE OF OUR, UM, DELAY HERE. THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE THE LAST TWO MEETINGS, WE COULDN'T GET YOU OR YOUR REPRESENTATIVE AT THE, AT THE HEARING. I, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS TIME IT WASN'T US. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [5.C. 509 Queen St. – to include a new 2-unit infill building, driveway, parking area, and landscaping.] OKAY, THE SECOND HEARING IS 5 0 9 QUEEN STREET. WE HAVE A VISITOR FROM CALIFORNIA BACK. WELCOME BACK. WELCOME BACK. ALRIGHT, I WILL START, [00:25:01] UH, NOW THIS IS OUR NEW APPLICATION FORM. UH, SO IT LOOKS A BIT DIFFERENT. UH, SO THIS IS FOR, UH, 5 0 9 QUEEN STREET. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS CLAYTON ROGERS. UH, AND THE APPLICANT'S IS, UH, GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, PLLC. UH, AND WE HAVE, UH, THE, UM, AUTHORIZATION FORM FOR THAT COMING UP SHORTLY. UH, THE PROPOSED WORK IS TWO NEW, TWO STORY DUPLEX ON THE EXISTING EMPTY LOT. UH, THE APPLICABLE HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS ARE LISTED HERE, AND THE MATERIALS TO BE USED ARE ALSO LISTED HERE AS WELL. AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY CONTINUE ON IN THE FORM, BUT THE FORM DOES NOT, UM, SHOW US THOSE. BUT, UH, THE PLANS ARE QUITE COMPLETE. UH, AND I DON'T, THIS HAPPENED BEFORE. UM, I THINK OUR COMPUTERS AUTOMATICALLY WIPE OUT THE SIGNATURE AND, AND, AND AUTO DATING OF, YOU KNOW, AUTOMATIC SIGNATURES AND DATES ON THESE WHEN I COMBINE THEM WITH ALL THE OTHERS. SO WE DO HAVE A SIGNATURE AND DATE ON THIS AND IT, BECAUSE IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE IT WIPED THEM OUT HERE FOR THE CHECK MARKS AS WELL. SO GO FIGURE. ALRIGHT. UM, IF, IF WE NEED TO SEE THAT, I CAN SHOW YOU THAT, UH, SEPARATELY. UM, BUT IT WILL BE IN THE FINAL YES. PAPERWORK. EXACTLY. SO, AND THIS IS THAT, UH, UH, AUTHORIZATION FORM THAT AUTHORIZES SARAH LERACH TO REPRESENT, UM, MR. ROGERS. AND IT IS SIGNED AND NOTARIZED. OKAY. AND SO THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS ITEM, UM, COMES UP AND, UM, LET'S SEE. WE HAVE, THIS IS IN THE, UM, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY, BUT ALSO IN THE C FOUR DISTRICT. UM, AND WE HAVE THIS FORM FILLED OUT FOR RESIDENTIAL USES ONLY. UH, AND SO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION HERE WITH THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATORS INDICATED THAT THE ZONING APPROVAL IS STRICTLY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USE, NO ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS NEEDED BASED ON RECENT CHANGES. AND I THINK OUR APPLICANT'S, UH, REPRESENTATIVE WILL, OR THE APPLICANT WILL SHOW, TALK TO US ABOUT THAT SHORTLY. UH, AND THEN, UH, ALSO HE COMMENTS THAT IT WOULD THEN MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING PERMIT WILL BE ISSUED FOR THE DUPLEX. UM, A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEW NO LONGER IS NEEDED WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE COMMERCIAL USE. SO THERE WE GO. AND THEN ALSO THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR YEP. WOULD NOT NEED COMMERCIAL, CORRECT? OH, RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. YEP. UH, SO IT WOULD JUST BE A STANDARD, UM, BUILDING PERMIT. ALRIGHT, SO, UH, 5 0 9 QUEEN STREET. THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW OF THAT EMPTY LOT, AND WE CAN SEE, UH, WE'LL ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE THAT, UM, UH, THIS IS AN UNUSUALLY, UM, SITUATED LOT, UH, BEING WITH QUEEN STREET AT AN ANGLE TO RAIL RAILROAD STREET. NO, UM, UH, C**K STREET, UH, THIS LOT, UH, SEEMS TO BE TAKING UP THE, THE ANGLE, UM, OF, UH, HANCOCK STREET. AND THAT'S DUE TO ITS HISTORY AS A FORMER SIDING TO THE RAIL RAIL LINE INTO THE FORMER, UM, PEPSI FACTORY DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN. BUT, UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE, UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 PROPERTIES, UH, BOUNDING THE, THE PROPERTY ON THE EAST, UH, ONE ON THE SOUTH, AND ONE ON THE WEST. UM, SO THAT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION THERE. UM, I'VE ALSO PROVIDED, UH, SOME STREET VIEW SHOTS, UH, TO PROVIDE SOME MORE, UM, EYEBALL LEVEL, UH, CONTEXT. AND HERE WE SEE, UH, THE ACTUAL SUBJECT PROPERTIES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN HERE, UH, BEHIND THIS BUSH. AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THAT EMPTY, UM, LOT SPACE. THE, UH, HOUSE ON THE RIGHT IS ITS NEIGHBOR ALONG QUEEN STREET, AND THE GREEN LAWN AREA IS PART OF THAT PROPERTY FOR THAT HOUSE. UH, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, WHAT'S CALLED THE R HOTEL HERE, THIS TWO STORY BRICK BUILDING. UH, AND IN THE BACKGROUND BEHIND THE PROPERTY IS THE BACK OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON THE CORNER OF HANCOCK AND QUEEN. UH, THE NEXT ONE DOWN, UM, JUST MOVES SLIGHTLY CLOSER TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY, UM, IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO [00:30:01] THE RIGHT. AND SO JUST TO PROVIDE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT SOMEONE MAY WANT TO SEE. THEN AS YOU PASS THE PROPERTY, UH, AND LOOK BACK. UH, NOW THE ROME HOTEL IS ON THE RIGHT, THE, UH, CORNER OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THE LEFT, AND THEY HAVE A BACKYARD AS WELL. UH, AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS THE, UH, PAVED, UH, LOT HERE BEHIND THAT, UH, CAR, OUR COLORED CAR. SO LOOKING STRAIGHT INTO THE PROPERTY, UM, WE CAN NOW SEE, UH, QUITE CLEARLY THAT THE, UH, THREE SIDES OF THE PROPERTY ARE SURROUNDED BY THIS, UH, UH, BRICK WALL. UH, IT'S A, IT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED IN A LATTICE PATTERN, WHAT'S CALLED A LATTICE PATTERN WITH THE OPENINGS BETWEEN ALL THE BRICKS, UH, AND HAS THESE BRICK, UM, PIERS, UH, ALL THE WAY ALONG, UH, FOR, UM, STRUCTURAL STABILITY. THE FRONT IS OPEN, UM, AND THERE ARE NO, UH, TREES OR ANY OTHER VEGETATION ON THE SITE OTHER THAN THE, UH, THE BIT OF GRASS AND WEEDS AND SUCH. ALRIGHT, SO NOW THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, UM, START WITH THAT, PRETTY MUCH THAT SAME VIEW AND INCLUDES SOME, SOME, UH, OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST. UH, ONE IS A CLOSEUP STARTING FROM THE, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING IN. UH, THE NEXT IS THE STRAIGHT END VIEW FROM ACROSS THE STREET. THE NEXT ONE IS FROM THE, UH, NORTHWEST CORNER. UM, AND THIS IS AN OLDER PHOTOGRAPH, UH, AND THIS, UH, PORTION OF THE WALL HAS BEEN SUBSEQUENTLY BEEN REBUILT. UM, SO THAT IS, UH, LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT NOW. UH, THE OTHER PHOTOS ARE ALSO ALONG QUEEN STREET, TOWARDS THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS NOW THEN ON THE RIGHT BEHIND THIS, UH, LIGHT COLORED, UH, TREE. UH, AND WE CAN ALSO NOW WITH THESE, SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE CHARACTER OF THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE AS WELL AS THE HOUSE NEXT TO THAT. AND THEN, UH, SEVERAL MORE HOUSES UP TO UP THE REST OF THE BLOCK. UH, UM, IN THIS PHOTO, YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW HOUSE VERY SMALL ON THE LEFT SIDE. UH, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT RESEMBLES THAT. AND THEN, SO YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE ALL THE REST OF THE HOUSES UP TO THE CORNER OF METCALF STREET. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN HERE AND, AND REPRESENTATION OF THE, UH, OF THE LIGHT, EXTERIOR LIGHT THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. UM, AND SO WITH THIS, THE ENTIRE SITE, WE CAN SEE, UH, THE DUPLEX IS SITUATED ON, UH, THE, UM, WESTERN SIDE, UH, SEVEN AND SEVEN FOOT FIVE INCHES AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. UH, AND THEN LEAVING, THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS 15 FOOT THREE INCHES TO THE PROPERTY LINE THERE. AND THAT ALLOWS 'EM TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY ALONG THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING SO THAT THE PARKING CAN BE FACILITATED IN THE BACK. WHOOPS. UH, THEY'VE ALSO, THEY ALSO SHOW HERE, UH, SIDEWALKS OUT THE FRONT. THERE ARE TWO FRONT STAIRWAYS, UM, AND THEY, UH, HAVE ONE COMMON WALKWAY ACROSS THE FRONT AND THEN OUT TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK. UM, WE'LL ALSO SEE THIS IN THE FLOOR PLANS, BUT PRIMARILY THIS IS A FRONT PORCH AREA. THIS IS GRAY SHADED AREA, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A BACK PORCH AREA. AND THE BACK PORCH AREA HAS NOT ONLY A SET OF STAIRS FOR IT, UH, SHOWN HERE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THAT PORCH, BUT ALSO A CHAIR LIFT. UM, ARE WE GOING TO BE HAVING ANY HANDICAPPED? NOTHING'S CHANGING RIGHT NOW. OKAY. UM, AND SO, UH, THEN WE HAVE SIX PARKING SPACES SHOWN HERE. EVEN, UH, ONE WHICH IS HANDICAPPED IN ONE, STRIKED OUT, UM, HANDICAPPED, UH, ACCESS SPACE. UM, I WILL NOTE THAT, UM, I DID CALCULATE THE, UM, IT, IT'S SHOWN HERE AS PARKING IS 1,913 SQUARE FEET. UM, WE, UM, UH, CONSIDER NOT JUST PARKING, BUT VEHICULAR, UM, MOTION AREA, AREA FOR VEHICULAR MOTION. UM, AND THAT ENDS UP, UH, COMING OUT AT 2,300, UH, SQUARE FEET, UH, WHICH IS MORE THAN THE 50% THAT IS REQUIRED. SO, UM, THAT IS PERHAPS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED HERE IN A MINUTE AS WELL. [00:35:02] UM, LET'S SEE. OKAY. AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THE, UM, SETBACK MEASUREMENTS TO DETERMINE THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, WHICH ARE DETERMINED BY THE, UH, MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM SETBACKS OF THE OTHER HOUSES OR OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE SAME BLOCK. SO, UH, AND THEY SHOW THESE HERE, AND THEIR, UH, BUILDING IS SETBACK. THIS CORNER HERE IS SET BACK, UM, THE, UH, REQUIRED DISTANCE THAT'S WITHIN THAT RANGE ALRIGHT. OF THE MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM. OKAY. SO THE FLOOR PLANS, YOU'RE SAYING THE FLOOR PLANS AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE? OH, YES. SO YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE AN OFFICE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. WELL, SO, OKAY. GO AHEAD AND COME ON UP AND, AND GO AHEAD AND DESCRIBE YOUR FLOOR PLAN NOW. HELLO, NICE TO SEE YOU ALL. SARAH ABA, GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. UM, RIGHT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE HPC DOES NOT LOOK AT THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE FOR THE EXTERIOR DUPLEX. ANYTHING THAT IS CHANGING ON THE INSIDE, WE WILL CHANGE AND SUBMIT TO THE BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT AS PART OF THE PERMIT SET. SO NONE OF THE WINDOWS ARE CHANGING. NONE OF THE WINDOWS ARE CHANGING. OKAY. AND NONE OF THE DOORS ARE CHANGING. NONE OF THE DOORS ARE CHANGING. THEY MAY, THAT'S EXTERIOR DOORS, EXTERIOR. NO. RIGHT. EVERYTHING WILL REMAIN THE SAME AS IT IS RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE PARKING. SO THAT, THAT REAR LOT, UM, IS THE ENTIRE LOT IS ASPHALT THE ENTIRE LOT AND . SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PARKING AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OVER THE NUMBER, UH, BY, I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT HOW YOU CALCULATED IT AND HOW I CALCULATED IT, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT HOW THAT'S DONE. BUT YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THE ENTIRE BACK LOT IS COMPLETELY ASPHALT. SO IF THEY WERE TO DO NOTHING AT ALL AND JUST LEAVE IT LIKE THAT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. SO CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING IS REQUIRED. YES. AND SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA PLANT THAT IN THE ASPHALT? NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA PLANT THAT IN THE ASPHALT. AND WE'RE GOING TO, THE OWNER WANTS TO TAKE OUT ALL THE ASPHALT IN THE FRONT AND DO LANDSCAPING AND COME BACK WITH AN ACTUAL LANDSCAPING PLAN AT A LATER TIME. BUT, UM, YES. YES. SO WE WILL TAKE OUT, WE WILL TAKE OUT SOME OF THE ASPHALT FOR LANDSCAPING IN THE REAR. YES. NOW, IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL, YOU WOULDN'T NEED A HANDICAPPED SPOT, RIGHT? I, I MEAN, THE, THE OWNER WOULD LIKE A LOT OF PARKING BACK THERE. THIS IS FOR, PART OF THE ONE SIDE IS GONNA BE FOR THE OWNER'S USE. AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OWNER HAS, UM, A DAUGHTER WHO'S GOT FIVE KIDS. AND , THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOT OF PARKING. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE ORDINARY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT ENTIRE BACK LOT IS ALREADY JUST ALL ASPHALT RIGHT NOW. UM, SO THEY WANNA TAKE OUT WHAT THEY NEED TO FOR, FOR THE LANDSCAPING AND THEN LEAVE WHAT'S BACK THERE RIGHT NOW. OKAY. I, WHY DON'T YOU JUST KEEP GOING, MATT? WE'LL, JUST SURE. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO ITEM BY ITEM AND RESOLVE EVERYTHING RIGHT. ONE AT A TIME. OKAY. I, I HAD ANTICIPATED THERE WOULD BE SOME CHANGES TO THE PLANS TODAY. SO THAT'S ALL. OKAY. UM, SO, UM, UM, ON THE PLANS I ALREADY MENTIONED ON THE FLOOR PLANS I ALREADY MENTIONED THE FRONT PORCH AND THE REAR PORCH HERE NOW SWITCHED THE OTHER WAY AROUND. SO THE FRONT PORCH IS AT THE BOTTOM. UM, AND, UH, THE PLAN'S ALSO ON SITE PLAN, BUT WHAT I DIDN'T MENTION, UM, THERE IS A-H-V-A-C AND TRASH CAN CORRAL, BASICALLY FENCED IN AREA WITH GATES, UM, ALONG THE BACK OF THE BACK PORCH. AND SO, UH, FROM THE, THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION ON THE LEFT, UH, HERE. OKAY. THE FRONT ELEVATION [00:40:01] ON THE LEFT, UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE, A FRONT DOOR FOR EACH UNIT ON, ON THE PORCH ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT, UH, THAT BASICALLY MIRROR IMAGE HERE DOWN THE MIDDLE FOR EACH HALF, UM, POSTS, UH, AND THE ROOFING. SO ON THE PORCH, THE ROOF IS METAL ROOF, UM, AND FLAT PAN WITH WIDTH NO GREATER THAN 24 INCHES. THE POSTS THEMSELVES ARE, UH, COMPOSITE POSTS. THE HANDRAILS AND BALLISTERS ARE ALSO, UH, COMPOSITE, UH, MATERIAL. UH, LET'S SEE. AT THE BOTTOM HERE, THE, UH, THE SCREENING BETWEEN THE PIERS IS, UH, PRESSURE TREATED STAINED LATTICE AND THE PIERS THEMSELVES ARE BRICK MASONRY. THEN, UH, THE SIDING IS, UM, SMOOTH HARDY BOARD, LAP SIDED SIDING THAT'S BEEN PAINTED. AND WE HAVE, UH, SOME OF THE COMPOSITE TRIM BOARDS SHOWN HERE, FIVE AND A HALF ON THE CORNER. UH, THE WINDOWS ARE VINYL, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS WITH 3D GRILLS INSIDE AND OUT. THAT'S TYPICAL. AND, UM, NOT SURE WE GOT, UM, WHAT THE DOORS ARE MADE OF. MAYBE IT'S ON THE BACK. LEMME CHECK. ALRIGHT, SO THEN, UH, THIS IS THE BACK. NO, SO WHAT DO YOU, WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR THE DOORS? UH, I BELIEVE WE'RE DOING A WOOD DOOR. CAN YOU, CAN YOU, I'M SORRY, SARAH, CAN YOU COME UP , UM, A WOOD DOOR WITH GLASS LIGHTS. OKAY. SORRY. THAT WOULD, SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THERE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. UM, SO, UH, THE REST OF THE MATERIALS THAT I DID NOT ALREADY MENTION, THE, UH, FENCING AROUND THE HVAC AND THE TRASH CANS IS A VINYL PICKET FENCE. UH, WE'LL NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE SPACING OF THOSE. UH, AND THEN SAME WITH THE RAILINGS. I THINK IT'S, MAYBE YOU HAVE THAT ON YOUR DETAIL. UH, AND THEN, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE HERE? NOPE, ONLY OTHER, THE ONLY NEW THING ON THIS ONE IS THE ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES AND THE DARKER COLOR PALETTE, WHICH IS, UH, SAME AS OUR REQUIREMENT. SO NOW THE NEXT PAGE. OKAY. WE GOT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER TO GET THE FULL SIDE EFFECT. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS NOW THE ELEVATION FACING THE DRIVEWAY. SO TO THE EAST, UH, SO THE, ON THE RIGHT WE SEE THE FRONT PORCH, UH, THE FRONT PORCH ON THE RIGHT. AND WE CAN SEE UNDERNEATH THE STAIRS IS ALSO, UM, UM, CLOSED OFF WITH THIS, THE LATTICE WORK. UM, ON THE SIDE WALL WE HAVE, UH, FOUR WINDOWS, FOUR TALL WINDOWS ON THE TOP AND ONE SQUARE ONE. AND ON THE BOTTOM WE HAVE TWO DOUBLE WINDOWS AND A SMALL, UH, VERTICAL WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE. THE FOUNDATION HERE ALONG THIS SIDE IS ALL BRICK MASONRY AND, UH, FOR AIR VENTING THE CRAWLSPACE, UH, THERE'S A SOLDIER COURSE, UM, UH, VENT, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, UH, BRICK STOOD ON, ED, STOOD UPRIGHT WITH EVERY OTHER ONE MISSING. UM, THEN TOWARDS THE BACK WE SEE THE STAIRS GOING UP TO THE BACK PORCH AND THE HANDICAP LIFT AND THE FENCING, THE GATES FOR THE, UM, TRASH CANS THERE. UH, THE BACK PORCH ALSO IS A METAL ROOF AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SAME. SO, OOPS, I'M SORRY. IT GOES THIS WAY, I GUESS. OH, WE'RE DOING ONE PER PAGE. THERE'S NOW THE, UH, THE OPPOSITE SIDE, THE WEST SIDE, UH, FACING THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND ACTUALLY, QUITE FRANKLY, FACING THE STREET QUITE A BIT. UM, SO THIS ONE HAS, AGAIN, FOUR VERTICAL WINDOWS ON THE UPPER FLOOR, ONE SQUARE, ONE OFF CENTER, AND THEN THE, UH, FOUR WINDOWS DOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM. AND ALL THE REST OF THE DETAILS I PRETTY MUCH ALREADY MENTIONED. SO THEN, UH, THE NEXT PAGE, THAT'S THE DETAILS. SO MOST OF THOSE ARE NOT US OTHER THAN THE, UH, THE PORCH IS, UH, FIVE QUARTER [00:45:01] BY SIX DECKING. UH, AND WE CAN SEE THAT THE STAIRS ARE ALSO, UM, LET'S SEE. ARE YOU INTENDING THE STAIRS TO BE WOOD OR IT'S, UH, ON THE PLANS IT CALLS OUT TREKS. TREKS, YEAH. OKAY. FOR THE DECKING AND FOR THE DECKING FOR THE STAIRS. YEAH. AND THERE'S ALSO THE SPACING OF THE PICKETS OF THE FENCE ON THE OTHER. YEAH, I SEE THAT. YEAH. . SO, UM, WHAT ELSE WAS THERE ON THIS? NOTHING. OKAY, SO HERE WE HAVE AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT THE, UM, HAND RAILING WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND HERE WE SEE THE, UH, UM, THE DETAIL FOR THE HANDRAILS SO THAT IT'S THE, UH, SPINDLES OR BALLISTERS ARE, UH, CENTERED WITH THE TOP AND BOTTOM RAILS. UM, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SPACING YEAH. ON HERE. THREE INCH MAXIMUM BETWEEN THEM. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, I THINK THAT'S IT. YES. THEN, UM, WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT READY. AND YOU'RE READY. OKAY. LET, LET'S JUMP AHEAD SINCE THERE ARE SOME FOLKS HERE. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO RECEIVED NOTICE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS A, CAN I SAY A FEW MORE THINGS? SURE. UM, SORRY, I KIND OF JUST JUMPED INTO IT IN THE BEGINNING THERE. UM, THEIR, THEIR NEIGHBOR, UH, UM, JOHN BRIGGS COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT AND WANTED HIS LETTER, UM, OF RECOMMENDATION HANDED IN, UM, FOR THE RECORD. AND I PRINTED ONE OUT AND, UH, HE JUST COULDN'T BE HERE TO SPEAK. SO I'D LIKE TO HAND THIS IN IF, IF YOU WOULD ACCEPT IT INTO THE RECORD. SURE. I THINK MR. SHELLEY HAD RECEIVED ONE AS WELL. YES. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. THANK YOU. AND JUST, THE ONLY OTHER POINT I WANNA MAKE IS THAT THE HOUSES ALONG THIS STREET ARE VERY SIMPLE, TWO STORY LOW, UH, ROOFS. AND, YOU KNOW, THE OWNER WANTED TO DO SOMETHING THAT WASN'T GOING TO, UH, REALLY BE THAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ON THE STREET RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE DONE. THANK YOU. HEY, UH, MATT, MR. MAYOR. I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR. UM, MATT, WHAT'S THE NATURE OF THAT LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE, UH, UM, NEIGHBOR? I'M NOT SURE WE'RE, UM, AT LIBERTY TO DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE, UM, THE AUTHOR IS NOT HERE TO EITHER DEFEND OR QUE OR ANSWER QUESTIONS ON, AND THAT, THAT'S TYPICAL. YOU HAVE TO BE HERE TO GIVE TESTIMONY AND, AND THEN BE ABLE TO BE QUEST, CROSS-EXAMINED, ET CETERA. UH, FAIR. YOU CAN. AND, UH, TO NOTE, I ALSO RECEIVED ANOTHER ONE FROM ANOTHER NEIGHBOR. UM, AND SO AGAIN, UNDERSTOOD. SO WITH THAT, IS THERE ANYONE WHO RECEIVED NOTICE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS A PROPONENT OF THE PROPERTY APPLICATION? HOW ABOUT ANYONE WHO RECEIVED NOTICE? WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS SIR, IF YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF WHEN YOU COME UP? NAME AND ADDRESS. UH, DION KING. IT'S GONNA BE 2115 HIDDEN HARBOR. AND HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN? I DON'T THINK SO. NO, I DON'T THINK I HAVE. IF YOU'LL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU. UM, I'M ACTUALLY A GENTLEMAN WHO BOUGHT THE, UH, PENNIX BUILDING FROM MR. ROGERS NOT TOO LONG AGO. AND I ALSO OWNED 500 QUEEN STREET, SO RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM 5 0 9. I DO BELIEVE, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING HERE, EVERYTHING THAT MR. ROGERS HAVE, I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL ACTUALLY BE VERY POSITIVE FOR MY BUSINESS STANDPOINT AND ALSO FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S THAT'S THERE. HONESTLY, THAT LOT HAS SAT THERE FOR NUMEROUS AMOUNTS OF YEARS WITHOUT A BEEN TOUCH. SO I DO BELIEVE WHAT MR. ROGERS HAS, UH, PROPOSED WITH THE DUPLEX. I BELIEVE THAT IT ALSO PIGGYBACKS OFF OF WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE APPROVED ON 500 QUEEN STREET AT, UH, KING A LASSO. SO, SO I BELIEVE THIS IS VERY COHESIVE AND I BELIEVE THAT IS, IT ACTUALLY JUST KIND OF PLAYS ALONG WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE PUTTING ALREADY THERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF HIM. UH, IF HE NEEDS ANYTHING FROM ME OR MY COMPANY, THEN I, I AM DEFINITELY AT HIS DISPOSAL. UM, THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH PARKING THEN? WE HAVE AMPLE [00:50:01] AMOUNT ACROSS THE STREET. SO JUST AN FYI THANK YOU GUYS. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. AND I SEE YOU STARTED ON THE, THE CIGAR BAR. I'M EXCITED. I HOPE YOU GUYS JOINED. THANK YOU, . IS THERE ANYONE YOU RECEIVED NOTICE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS AN OPPONENT OF THE PROPERTY APPLICATION? AN OPPONENT? YES. IF YOU COME UP AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF, NAME, NAME, OPPONENT, OR A PROPONENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT THERE. I UNDERSTAND IT. UH, MY NAME IS MATTHEW O'BRIEN. I'M WITH MY WIFE ANDREA O'BRIEN. WE NEED TO SWEAR IN. HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN? NO. NO. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU. CAN YOU ALSO SIGN THE LIST OF TRUTH? SIGN THE LIST. BE HAPPY TO, UM, PRINT, PRINT, PRINT THE LIST. YEAH. NAME IT. PRINT THE LIST. THANK YOU. NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU START TO, OKAY. YEAH, WE LIVE AT, UH, 6 1 3 HANCOCK. OUR BACKYARD ABUTS UP TO THE LATTICE, BRICKWORK WALL THAT WAS SPOKEN BY. WHAT'S THE FATE OF THE WALL ITSELF? THERE'S NO CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE WALL. I WAS TOLD LAST OWNER, UM, HEARSAY ON THE STREET, IF YOU WILL. MM-HMM . THAT IT WAS HISTORICALLY PROTECTED. WELL, WE DON'T KNOW THE AGE OF THE WALL, BUT IT'S NOT BEING CHANGED. CORRECT? IT IT, THE WALL'S PROBABLY 10 TO 15 YEARS OLD. YEAH. AND IT'S NOT BEING CHANGED. YEAH, I THINK IT WAS PUT IN WHEN I ARRIVED. SO IT'S LESS THAN 22 YEARS. SO I JUST HAD A QUESTION FROM THE, FOR THE DESIRE . ABSOLUTELY. I LOVE THIS . UM, DID YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME IN THE MICROPHONE THERE? YEAH, HE DID. OKAY. HE DID. MATTHEW O'BRIEN. OH YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO AN OPPONENT THAT CAN DEMONSTRATE THEY HAVE STANDING 'CAUSE THEY WOULD SUFFER SPECIAL DAMAGES UNIQUE TO THEM, DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? SEEING NONE, MATT, IF YOU'LL DO NOW IF YOU'LL DO YOUR, ALRIGHT. SO, UH, OUR STAFF REPORT, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT FOR, UH, CLAYTON ROGERS, UH, AT 5 0 9 QUEEN STREET. UM, THERE IS NO HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME 'CAUSE IT'S A VACANT LOT AND NO DESCRIPTIONS FROM THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY OR SAND BACK. UM, BUT THE PROJECT AT 5 0 9 QUEEN STREET IS TO INCLUDE A NEW TWO UNIT INFILL BUILDING, DRIVEWAY, PARKING AREA, AND LANDSCAPING. SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION ARE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN 2.3, UTILITIES, 2.3 0.1, TWO, THREE AND SIX, LANDSCAPING 2.3 AND FOUR FOR PARKING, 2.7 0.12 AND FIVE FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.24 AND FIVE FOR INFILL. 3.4 0.23 AND FOUR FOR FOUNDATIONS. 4.3 AND FOUR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.4, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 0.2 AND THREE FOR ENTRANCES. 4.44 FOR ROOFS. 4.54 FOR ACCESSIBILITY AND LIFE SAFETY. 4.72 AND THREE FOR MASONRY. 5.34 AND FIVE FOR PAINT. 5.4, 2, 3, 4 AND SIX FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS. 5.1, 2, 3, 5, AND SIX. SO THE STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT. R ONE, THE APPLICATION IS FOR A NEW TWO UNIT INFILL BUILDING, DRIVEWAY, PARKING AREA, AND LANDSCAPING IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. TWO, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS. THREE, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY. AND FOUR, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS AND THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL BY STAFF OR THE HPC ACCORDING TO THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION. THAT'S THE END OF OUR REPORT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE EVALUATION WORKSHEET BRIEFLY. YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT? THE GREEN, THE GREEN PAGE, [00:55:01] UH, I'LL SKIP TO SITE AND SETTING. AND THE ONLY ONE I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS WE, WE'VE COVERED, UH, UTILITIES, LANDSCAPING. LANDSCAPING APPEARS ON THE MAP, FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS. THERE'S A FENCE THERE ALREADY. THERE'S NOT TO BE TAMPERED WITH, UM, PARKING. SO ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH PARKING? YEAH, LET'S TALK ABOUT PARKING. UM, THE, THE 50% RULE FOR THE TERTIARY. SO MATT, WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE CALCULATIONS, I SEE TWO DIFFERENT CALCULATIONS. I SAW ONE THAT WAS ON THE APPLICATION, ONE THAT YOU DID MM-HMM . UM, CAN, CAN YOU JUST KIND OF SHOW ME ON, ON THE DRAWING WHAT AREAS YOU INCLUDED AS THE, UH, PARKING AREA? YES. I ESSENTIALLY USED THE LINES THAT WERE DRAWN ON THE SITE PLAN. OKAY. AND, UH, THE CUTOFF FOR THE REAR YARD WAS, UH, THE BACK EDGE OF THE DECK. SO ACROSS THERE. AND SO I ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH THE PRACTICALLY THE SAME REAR YARD SQUARE FOOTAGE. UM, I THINK I CAME UP WITH 40 60. UM, SO I MEAN IT COULD EASILY, 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE, UH, COMPUTER TO CALCULATE THAT I'M USING, UH, MY RULER AND MY CALCULATOR. UM, BUT, UM, FOR THE, UM, UH, TRAVEL, UM, I FORGET WHAT THE TERM IS, BUT THE, UH, AREA WHERE, UM, VEHICLES TRAVEL, UH, FOR VEHICULAR MOVEMENT, I THINK THE WORD IS, I USED THE OUTLINE OF THE, UH, OF WHAT WAS DRAWN HERE ON THE PLAN. UH, AND UH, INCLUDED THIS LITTLE, UH, GRAY AREA HERE AS WELL. UM, THAT WAS BEHIND THE LINE OF THE BACK OF THE PORCH. UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY QUITE SMALL AND UH, I CAME OUT WITH 300 SQUARE FEET MORE THAN WE ALLOW. BUT I THINK, UH, THE APPLICANT'S POINT IS, UM, ALSO TO BE CONSIDERED. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. ALL THE LINES WHERE SURE, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT'S POINT, BUT I, I JUST WONDERED WHY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF, UM, 250 OR 300 SQUARE FEET IF YOU'RE BOTH MEASURING THE, THE SAME POLYGON. I, I DON'T KNOW. AND THAT'S, SHE SUGGESTED THAT WE COMPARE OUR NUMBERS, BUT I, I, I SUSPECT I CAN SEE SOME OF THE DIMENSION LINES DON'T ACTUALLY HIT THE LINES THAT THEY'RE MEASURING TO. AND SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME, THERE WAS SOME SHIFTING AND, AND MOVING AROUND OF SOME OF THE ITEMS, UM, AFTER THE CALCULATION WAS MADE. SO THAT COULD BE PART OF IT AS WELL. AND I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT WHAT I DREW OUT 'CAUSE I JUST DREW POLYLINES AND COMPARE THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WITHIN THE 50%. I MEAN THAT'S, I DON'T, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER OFFHAND, BUT I KNOW THAT I, I DREW THEM OUT AND DREW THEM AGAIN AND THEN WE MOVED IT OVER A LITTLE BIT. MM-HMM . UM, SO WITH, UH, THE ZONING, UM, UM, FORM INDICATED, UH, ONLY FIVE SPACES WOULD BE, WOULD BE REQUIRED NOW. UM, AND SO, UH, THERE'S ESSENTIALLY SEVEN SHOWN HERE, SIX PLUS THE, THE DIAGONAL, UM, SPACE. UH, SO THOSE TWO SPACES, THE HANDICAP SPACE AND THE DIAGONAL SPACE WOULD LEAD FIVE. UM, AND SO THEN, UH, THAT WOULD ELIMINATE 320 SQUARE FEET. I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO KEEP AS, AS MUCH OF, OF THE PARKING SPACE AVAILABLE MM-HMM . UM, AND, AND, AND I'M, I'M GUESSING THAT YOU CAN COMPARE NUMBERS AND IF THE REAR YARD IS A, IS 4,040 SQUARE FEET THAT YOU COULD COME UP WITH ONE THAT MAXIMIZES THE SPACE BUT STILL STAYS WITHIN THAT, THAT 50% MAX. YES, ABSOLUTELY WE CAN. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, UH, I WISH WE HAD DISCUSSED EARLIER, , SO YEAH, WE DIDN'T HAVE MORE THAN TWO HOURS. RIGHT. SO, UM, WE ABSOLUTELY WANNA COMPLY WITH THE 50% AND WE'LL, UH, TAKE AWAY AS MUCH ASPHALT AS NECESSARY TO DO THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING YOU TALKED ABOUT ALONG THE SAME LINES, IF I, I'M SORRY, IS, IS THE LANDSCAPING NOW YOU DID, YOU SAID, UH, I THINK AT ONE POINT, I THINK YOU SAID, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THERE'LL BE A LANDSCAPING PLAN AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. YES, ABSOLUTELY. AND I SPOKE WITH THE OWNER ABOUT THIS. THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO WORK. I SEE. AND SO THEY FULLY INTEND TO BRING BACK A FULL LANDSCAPING PLAN [01:00:01] AT THAT POINT IN TIME, YOU KNOW, AS IT GETS DEVELOPED. SO THAT WILL ABSOLUTELY COME BACK TO, TO MATT AND IF NECESSARY, BACK TO THE HPC. AWESOME. WELL FOR YOUR INFORMATION LANDSCAPING'S NOW A MINOR? YEAH, A MINOR. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME TO HBC. OKAY. OKAY. RIGHT. UM, AND THEN LIGHTING WOULD ALSO BE PART OF THAT. I INCLUDED ONE, UH, LAMPPOST IN THE, IN THE REAR YARD. UM, ANY OTHER EXTERNAL LIGHTING AT THIS POINT HAS NOT BEEN FIGURED OUT. SO ANYTHING THAT WOULD, I WOULD PROPOSE IS NOT, UH, NOT FINAL. SO, UM, ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE FRONT, WE CAN BRING THAT BACK AS WELL. YEAH, I'M GUESSING YOU PROBABLY HAVE SOME LIGHTING ATTACHED TO THE REAR OF THE, OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE THERE. THERE WILL BE SOME LIGHTING THAT THAT WILL BE VISIBLE. AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S JUST SO EARLY IN THE PROCESS THAT THAT HAS NOT BEEN CHOSEN. SO DOES ANYONE YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING WILL EVENTUALLY BE 50% OR LESS? ALRIGHT, MOVING ON STALE MASS PROPORTION FORM AND RHYTHM TEXTURE DETAILS ON THE PROPERTY? ANY QUESTION ON THE BUILDING? NO, I THINK I, MR. CHAIR, I THINK IT, UH, I THINK IT, IT REALLY DOES MEET THE FOOTPRINT SCALE PROPORTION THAT THAT'S OUTLINED IN, IN BOTH THE DESIGNS AND IN THE INFILL IN SECTION 3.4 0.1, I THINK IT REALLY DOES MATCH THE SCALE AND, AND, AND PROPORTION OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS ALONG QUEEN. YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. AND THE FORM AND RHYTHM, I MEAN IT'S LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO, UH, OTHER, OTHER STRUCTURES OF THAT. UM, HIP DESIGN. YES. UH, DESIGN COMPONENTS, ANYTHING ON WALLS OR TRIM ORNAMENTATION, DOORS, WINDOWS, OPENINGS, ENTRANCES, THE ROOF, UH, ANYTHING THERE? NO, IT APPEARS A SMOOTH, HARDY BOARD, UH, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. AND, UH, I THINK THE WINDOWS LAYOUT NICELY, THEY'RE ALL IN THE VERTICAL, UH, LAYOUT, CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS. MM-HMM . AND SO IT IS PRETTY MUCH EXCLUSIVELY CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS. MM-HMM . FOR NEW INFILL CONSTRUCTION. SO ANY, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS BY THE BOARD? IF NOT, WE'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION. I ALSO WANNA NOTE TOO, I, I, THE, IT IT APPRECIATE THAT, THAT THE CORNER BOARD SIZE IS CALLED OUT ON THE, ON THAT AS WELL. THAT'S GOOD. AND ONE MORE NOTE BEFORE WE GET TO THE MOTION IS I REALLY THINK THAT THE CHANGE IN THE SIDEWALK FROM THE TWO TO THE ONE, I THINK THAT LOOKS, THAT LOOKS REALLY GOOD. NOT THAT IT'S A DESIGN STANDARD, BUT JUST AS A NOTE AND REMEMBER, WE DO NEED, UM, SOME NOTATION OF THE DOOR MATERIALS AND THE, UH, RAIL RAILING SPACING. YEP. I GOT THIS. OKAY. THREE INCH ON RAILING SPACING AND THE DOOR MATERIALS ARE TO BE COMPOSITE. NO, SHE SAID WOOD, WOOD, WOOD DOORS. OKAY. MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR 5 0 9 QUEEN STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE NEW BERN'S CODE OF ORDINANCES. SECTIONS 15.411 THROUGH 15.429 AND NEW BERN'S, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS 2.13, UTILITIES 2.3, 2.32, 2.3 0.3 2.3 0.6. LANDSCAPING 2.4 0.3, 2.4. PARKING, 2.7 0.2 0.7 0.2 2.7 0.5. DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 3.1 0.2 3.1 0.4, AND 3.1. INFILL, 3.4, 0.4 0.2, 3.43 AND 3.44 FOUNDATIONS, 4.13, 4.4 WALLS, TRIM ORNAMENTATION, 4.4 WINDOWS DOORS OPENINGS 4.3 4.33. ENTRANCES, FOUR POINT 0.4. ROOFS 4.5 0.4. ACCESSIBILITY, LIFE SAFETY, 4.7 0.2 4.7 0.3. MASONRY 5.13. 5.14, 5.1, PAINT. 5.4 0.5 0.4 0.3 4.46. CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, FIVE POINT 0.2, 5.5 POINT [01:05:02] AND 5.6. AND THE FINDINGS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IS THAT THE APPLICATION IS FOR A NEW TWO UNIT INFILL BUILDING WITH DRIVEWAY PARKING AREA AND LANDSCAPING IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS. THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY. AND THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS WITH A FEW, UM, CONDITIONS AS WELL. A CONDITION THAT THE, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT MEET WITH THE, THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR TO VERIFY THAT THE PARKING, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF 50% OF THE TERTIARY, UM, BE, BE MET. THAT THERE IS LANDSCAPING PLANS TO BE, UH, SUBMITTED TO THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR. THAT THE SPACING OF THE SPINDLES, UM, ON THE, UM, BASTER AND RAILINGS ON, UM, ON THE BUILDING ARE NOTED AND THAT THE DOOR MATERIAL, UM, IS NOTED ON THE PLANS AS WELL. FURTHER, UM, CONDITION IN THAT, UM, ANY CHANGES TO THE DESIGN BEFORE OR DURING CONSTRUCTION BE SUBMITTED TO THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS AND PROCEDURES? IS THERE SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION TO ISSUE. A COA. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? COA ISSUED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU GONNA COME BACK AGAIN? NEXT IS [6.A. Recap of Special Meetings ] A RECAP OF OUR SPECIAL MEETINGS THAT WE HAD. WE HAD A MEETING ON OCTOBER 6TH, I'M SORRY, NOVEMBER 6TH AND NOVEMBER 10TH TO GET PUBLIC INPUT ON A PROJECT TO UPDATE THE DESIGN STANDARDS. CURRENTLY KNOWN AS THE GUIDELINES. UH, WE HAD I GUESS, 40 PEOPLE AT THE FIRST ONE AND PROBABLY 25, 20, 25 AT THE SECOND. SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE THAT CAME. WE HAD SCRIBES AT EACH TABLE, WHICH WE'VE GOT, UH, A LOT OF CHICKEN SCRATCH PAPER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND WE WILL TAKE THAT DATA AND ALSO THE DATA FROM THE ONLINE SURVEY, WHICH WE UNDERSTAND IS WELL OVER A HUNDRED, UH, INPUT PIECES AND WE'LL ASSEMBLE THOSE AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME CATEGORIES, NOT LOSING ANY COMMENTS, BUT COME UP WITH SOME CATEGORIES TO MAKE GENERAL ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL WAS CONCERNED ABOUT OR SUGGESTED OR TALKED ABOUT. UH, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE THROUGH DECEMBER TO COMPLETE THAT, AND ONCE WE DO, WE'LL PUBLISH SOMETHING THAT HAS THAT DATA. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? NO. MR. JR. I, I THOUGHT THE MEETINGS WENT VERY WELL AND I I'M HOPING EVERYBODY WHO ATTENDED THOUGHT THOUGHT THE SAME. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS, GOOD PARTICIPATION. AND I, I THOUGHT THE MEETINGS WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL. YEAH, I GOT VERY GOOD COMMENTS OF PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HBC HAD A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. YEP. UH, SOME VOICES WERE HEARD AND THAT WAS A POINT. AND, UM, IT WAS A VERY ORGANIZED MEETING. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. AND, UH, I THINK SOME PEOPLE HAVE REALLY ENJOYED COMING. YEAH. GOOD SNACKS, . GOOD SNACKS. SO WE THANK JESSE ROOF FOR HAVING ORCHESTRATED THAT, UH, AND SHE WILL BE A VITAL PART OF THIS GOING FORWARD. SO WE LOOK TO HER FOR SOME GUIDANCE ON PUTTING IT TOGETHER, BUT ALSO THEN HOW TO LAY IT OUT. SHE SUGGESTED THAT WE MAY HAVE SOME ASSISTANCE FROM THE COMPANY DOING THE LAND USE PLAN TO ACTUALLY PUT IT INTO A FORMAT. AND SO WE WILL FIND OUT HOW THAT MIGHT WORK. UH, BUT AGAIN, UH, WE WILL PUT OUT A REPORT ON WHAT WE DETERMINED PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE OTHER THING, UM, THAT'S FOR ANYBODY WHO HAPPENS TO BE LISTENING. THE, THE SURVEY I UNDERSTAND WILL RUN TILL THE END OF THIS MONTH, RIGHT? THE END OF NOVEMBER 30TH. THE SURVEY'S OUT THERE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE LINK IS ON THE WEBSITE, BUT IT CERTAINLY WAS ON FACEBOOK, ON THE CITY'S FACEBOOK. IT'S ON THE WEBSITE TOO. IT'S OKAY. NEW BUSINESS. [01:10:01] ANY NEW BUSINESS? ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? [8. GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS ] YES. YEP. COME UP PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF. OKAY. UP? YEP. MM-HMM . DO I NEED TO SIGN? NO. DID YOU HAVE TO SIGN? I'M GETTING S AND NO'S. NO. NO. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. BUT YOU DO IDENTIFY YOURSELF. I AM. GIVE ME A CHANCE AND CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? I CAN BARELY HEAR YOUR GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARGO FUSSMAN. I LIVE AT FIVE 16 CRAVEN STREET, AND I HAVE BEEN IN THE DISTRICT SINCE 2017. MY PURPOSE TONIGHT IS TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND MEMBERS OF THE HPC FOR TWO PUBLIC FORUM FORUMS RELATED TO THE MUCH NEEDED REVIEW, UPDATES AND REVISIONS TO THE DESIGN STANDARD STANDARDS, ENSURING THE PRESERVATION OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. THE MEETING FORMAT OF FIVE ROTATING, UH, ROUND TABLE DISCUSSIONS WAS WELL RECEIVED BY ALL OTHERS WITH WHOM I HAVE SPOKEN. AN EXTENSIVE ONLINE SURVEY WAS ISSUED IN PARALLEL TIME WITH THE MEETINGS. A SUMMARY BLENDING THE RESULTS FROM BOTH AVENUES OF COMMUNICATION IS EAGERLY ANTICIPATED. IF THERE IS A NEGATIVE ABOUT THESE MEETINGS, IT WAS THE MEANS OF ALERTING RESIDENTS ABOUT THE MEETINGS, TIMES AND PURPOSE. MANY PARTICIPANTS LEARNED ABOUT THE SESSIONS BY WORD OF MOUTH ONLY TECHNOLOGY AND THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE OFFER MANY OPTIONS FOR COMMUNICATION. FINALLY, RESEARCH OF OTHER COMMUNITIES AND HPC STRUCTURES IN NORTH CAROLINA CONFIRM THAT THIS PROCESS IS PERHAPS EVEN A YEAR IN LENGTH AND BEST CONDUCTED BY A THIRD PARTY FIRM THAT SPECIALIZES IN QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEDURES, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND THE NORTH CAROLINA GENERAL STATUTES. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR TAKING THIS STEP AND LISTENING. A FINAL COMMENT ABOUT TONIGHT, I THINK ASKING THE PUBLIC TO SIT THROUGH ALL OF THE PRESENTATIONS IN ORDER TO DO SOMETHING THIS A TIME TO MYSELF WAS A HUN, WAS ONE MINUTE AND 40 SECONDS IS A DETERRENT TO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION TO COME AND COMMUNICATE WITH YOU, TO HAVE TO SIT THROUGH ALL OF THIS IN ORDER TO SPEAK FIRST. THE ALDERMAN PUT IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THEIR MEETINGS. SO JUST A SUGGESTION, BUT THANK YOU AGAIN FOR LISTENING. OKAY. WE, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I GUESS THERE'S NO ONE ELSE TO SPEAK, NO ADMINISTRATOR'S [9. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT ] REPORT. UH, YES. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE ITEMS THAT, UH, WE'VE PROCESSED IN THE PAST MONTH. UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THESE GREEN HIGHLIGHTED ONES HERE. THESE ARE TWO, UM, ITEMS THAT HAVE, UH, WERE EITHER VIOLATION OR PRE PREVENTION DEMOLITION BY A NEGLECT CASE THAT'S BEEN RESOLVED AT 6 0 5 HANCOCK STREET. UM, THERE WAS A MECHANICAL UNIT THAT WAS INSTALLED WITHOUT A COA, ACTUALLY WAY BACK IN I THINK 2019 OR 2020. UH, AND, UH, THEY CAME IN AND THEY, UM, UM, DID THEIR APPLICATION AND THEY KEPT, IT WAS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD APPLICATION. SO, UH, THEIR, UH, PROPERTY, THAT ISSUE IS NOW RESOLVED ON THAT PROPERTY, UH, FOR SEVEN 20 EAST FRONT STREET. UM, THEY HAD, UH, NONCOMPLIANT METAL ROOFING AND THAT THEN THEY WERE ABLE TO REPLACE THAT. UH, AND IT WAS DETERMINED TO BE A REPLACEMENT IN KIND IN THE TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S IT. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. I, UM, AND THIS IS JUST A DUMB QUESTION. WHAT'S A BLADE SIGN? I SAW THAT TOO. . WHAT'S A WHAT? A BLADE SIGN. RIGHT. SO THAT'S A SIGN THAT, UM, THE, UH, OLD TIMEY STOREFRONT SIGN THAT KIND OF HANGS OFF OF A OH ONE THAT LIKE HANGS LIKE ON LIKE, LIKE ON A CHAIN OR SOMETHING? YES, YES. RIGHT. THAT'S ON A BRACKET. RIGHT? THERE'S A BRACKET THAT IT HANGS FROM OR SOMETHING. SO FOR SOME REASON THAT'S CALLED A BLEED. OKAY. LIKE IT'S A, OR SOMETHING. A NORMAL SIGN WOULD BE, WOULD BE PARALLEL WITH THE FRONT. THIS IS PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT. RIGHT? GOOD TO KNOW. NOT RELATED TO ANYTHING, BUT MY GRANDFATHER WAS A DENTIST. GREAT-GRANDFATHER WAS A DENTIST. OH, THEN YOU HUNG A BIG TOOTH NOT IN FRONT OF YOUR OFFICE. YES, THAT WOULD MEET CODE. NOW THAT WOULD BE NO TOOTH SIGN. OKAY. ANY COMMISSIONER [10. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS ] COMMENTS? MATT, CAN WE, CAN WE DISCUSS BRIEFLY ADDING 2 0 9 JOHNSON STREET TO THE, UH, LIST OF, UM, RESOLUTIONS TO PREVENTION [01:15:01] OF DEMOLITION AND NEGLECT? OH, YES. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH 'EM TODAY. THEY, WELL, YES. SO, UM, I ONLY GOT TO, UM, UM, FOLLOW UP ON THAT ONE THIS MORNING MM-HMM . AND SO IT DIDN'T MAKE THE AGENDA. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA. THEY REALLY WANT SOMETHING TOMORROW. AND I DIDN'T PROMISE THAT, BUT I SAID THAT I WOULD DO MY BEST. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT YES, UH, HAVING SEEN THAT, THAT HAS BEEN QUITE A, UH, FANTASTIC TRANSFORMATION, UH, HANDLING ALL THE VARIOUS ISSUES THAT, UH, THE, WE HAD EIGHT COMPLAINTS FILED FOR THAT AT ONE TIME. UH, AND ALL OF THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN RESOLVED. SO, UM, UH, I EVEN LEARNED A LITTLE BIT SOMETHING ABOUT A KIND OF AN INTERESTING LITTLE QUIRK THAT WAS, SEEMED TO BE NOT COMPLIANT, BUT IN THE END IT SEEMS LIKE IT WILL BE. SO, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? PROPERTY? 2 0 9. 2 0 9 JOHNSON STREET NEXT TO, UH, THE GIBBS SLASH BASKETBALL HOUSE. YEP. SLASH SLOVER. WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT? UM, SO, UH, THEY HAD TO REPAIR A SECTION OF THE FRONT PORCH HANDRAIL, UH, AND THE ENTIRE HANDRAIL HAS THE OLD, UM, TURNED BALLISTERS ON IT EXCEPT FOR THE VERY LAST SECTION BACK UP AGAINST, ON THE LEFT SIDE AGAINST THE HOUSE. UH, THEY HAD INSTALLED SQUARE SECTION FOR HALF OF THAT, SO HALF OF IT WAS TURNED AND THEN THERE WAS A SMALL POST, UH, AND THEN HALF WAS STRAIGHT SECTION. AND IT TURNS OUT THAT, UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY THAT WAY WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT AND BEFORE THE DETERIORATION HAPPENED. AND, UH, THAT WAS BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN PRIOR, UH, UH, MANY DECADES PRIOR. IT HAD BEEN A STAIRWAY THERE ONTO THE PORCH FROM THE SIDE, AND THERE WAS A DOOR ACTUALLY IN THE WALL OF THE HOUSE AT THAT SPOT AS WELL. AND SO THE DOOR IS GONE. IT HAD BEEN COVERED OVER BY THE CURRENT SIDING AND THE, UH, THE STEPS WERE REMOVED AND SOMEONE HAD PUT IN THE, UH, SQUARE SECTION, UM, RAILING. AND SO I FIND THAT TO BE, UM, UH, NOT ONLY APPROPRIATE, BUT UM, HISTORICALLY, UH, UM, IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT TELLS THAT PORTION OF THE STORY OF THE HOUSE. SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING THING TO POINT OUT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ASKING BECAUSE, UH, MOST TIMES, MOST HOMES IN BETWEEN WORLD WAR I AND THE END OF WORLD WAR II MM-HMM . BECAME BOARDING HOUSES OUT OF NEED. NECESS. THAT'S RIGHT. SO ANYONE THAT HAD A TWO LEVEL HOUSE WITHIN THE FIRST SIX BLOCKS MM-HMM . I WOULD SAY 60% HAD ROOMS FOR RENT. MM-HMM . SO THAT WAS THE REASON. YEP. SOME, SOME DURING THE WAR FOR SOLDIERS. CORRECT. AND SO SAILORS AND SUCH, BUT ALSO, UM, AFTER THE WAR, YOU KNOW, THAT STARTS TO GET INTO THE, UM, INDUSTRIAL BOOM OF THE, THAT THE COUNTRY HAD. BUT ALSO IN PARTICULAR, NEWBURN HAD AN INDUSTRIAL BOOM, A LOT OF MILLS DOWN ALONG THE RIVER. AND SO THERE WAS A BIG HOUSING SHORTAGE, A LOT OF THE, THE FIRST OF ALL, THE SOLDIERS COMING BACK FROM THE WAR NEEDING A JOB. AND ALSO A LOT OF THE FARM FOLK, UM, COMING OUT OF THE COUNTRYSIDE LOOKING FOR JOBS AS WELL. AGAIN, A BOARDING HOUSE OR, UM, APARTMENT BUILDING OR SOME MANY PEOPLE JUST HAD, UH, A ROOM UPSTAIRS IN THEIR HOUSE. AND, UM, IT HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE HAD ALSO BEEN, UM, A, UM, A FIRE ESCAPE STAIRWAY ON THAT WHOLE SIDE OF THAT HOUSE AS WELL, WHICH HAS BEEN LONG GONE. SO, UM, WE DIDN'T ASK THEM TO PUT THAT BACK THOUGH RIGHT NOW, SO THAT'S GOOD. UH, JUST ONE QUICK REMINDER. THERE IS THE NORMAL DESIGN REVIEW MEETING DECEMBER 3RD, BUT THERE WILL BE NO REGULAR MEETING IN DECEMBER WITHOUT ANY FURTHER BUSINESS. MOTION TO ADJOURN. OH, JAMIE, THE BABY. THE BABY'S NOT HERE YET. NO. ALL GOOD, ALL GOOD. WE JUST TRADED MEETINGS SO YOU'LL, I MEAN TONIGHT AND YOU'LL HAVE ME FOR A FEW MONTHS NEXT YEAR. ALRIGHT, SO I'VE GOT A STERLING SILVER CURVE HANDLES SPOON FOR THE BABY BOY YOU CAN PAY LATER. SO I'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT DUE DATE LATE DECEMBER. RIGHT. SO WHEN'S SHE DO? LATE DECEMBER. LATE DECEMBER. OKAY. CHRISTMAS. RIGHT. CHRISTMAS. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVE ALL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MEETING ADJOURNED. 6 52. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.