Feb 18, 2026 Historic Preservation Commission

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OKAY.

[1. OPENING OF MEETING WITH ROLL CALL]

MATT, WOULD YOU DO THE ROLL CALL PLEASE? CERTAINLY.

AND BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE NAME TAGS TONIGHT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, I'M GONNA GO AROUND THE ROOM FROM LEFT TO RIGHT TO MAKE A MENTAL MOVE OF THE, I GUESS SO.

UH, FIRST, UH, ABSENT SO FAR, TONIGHT IS MOLLY BALES.

UH, ROSS BEBE? HERE.

GREGORY RUSH.

HERE.

ELENA HUBER? HERE.

MIKE IKA? HERE.

JIM MORRISON.

HERE.

TIM THOMPSON.

HERE.

JOHN SCHAD.

HERE.

AND RICHARD PARSONS HERE.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? HEARING NONE THE

[3. CONSENT AGENDA]

COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF JANUARY 21ST, I BELIEVE JANUARY 21ST.

YES.

SO MOVED.

AND, AND ALSO THE WRITTEN DECISION FOR THE WRITTEN DECISION.

EXCUSE ME.

2 0 6 CRAVEN STREET.

DO YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR MOTION? UH, YES.

INCLUDE, UH, 2 0 6 CRAVEN STREET IN THE, UH, IN THE MINUTES.

MOTION.

MOTION.

MOTION? YEP.

I'LL SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

OKAY.

FOR THE INTRODUCTION

[4.A. HEARINGS: INTRODUCTION, SWEARING-IN, SUMMARY OF PROCESS 1. Introduction of Hearings and Rules of Procedure 2. Swearing-In of Speakers 3. Summary of the Hearing Process]

BOARD OF ALDERMAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BOTH DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE, BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTE, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.

TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HBC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES DUE TO NEGLECT.

THE HPC HOLDS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

THE COMMISSION HERE SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.

THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONER SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINION, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, OR HEARSAY DURING A HEARING.

THE COMMISSION'S DECISION ON AN APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT A HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

IF YOU PLAN TO SPEAK TONIGHT, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO BE SWORN IN.

SO I DON'T SEE PEOPLE FROM THE FIRST, IS ANYONE HERE FOR THE REPRESENT THE SECOND APPLICATION? OKAY.

JUST, JUST, WE'RE NOT READY FOR YOU CAN JUST RAISE YOUR HAND, STAY BACK THERE.

UH, JUST RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE? YES.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

NOW, PLEASE, UH, PRINT YOUR NAME HERE AND YOUR ADDRESS.

OKAY.

WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, I'LL SUMMARIZE THE HEARING PROCESS FOR APPLICATIONS.

OH.

THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION THEN THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE PRESENTS THE APPLICATION PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.

REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE.

OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.

THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR PRESENTS THE STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

THEN THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS ON THEIR APPLICATION.

COMMISSIONERS DISCUSS THE EVIDENCE AND THEY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR PRESENTERS.

THE CHAIRMAN THEN CALLS FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION WITH STATED FINDINGS OF FACT.

THE MOTION IS DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSION CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR VOTE ON THE MOTION BY THE COMMISSION, AND A COA CAN BE APPROVED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED.

WITH THAT,

[4.B. 403 E. Front St. (Shriners’) – to include, as an amendment to the approved CoA, updated information for the parking lot and retained features.]

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OKAY.

WE WILL, UH, SCROLL FORWARD TO THAT.

THOSE ARE ALL THE MINUTES AND SUCH.

OKAY.

UM, I CAN SEE THIS IS THE FIRST PAGE OF THE APPLICATION THAT THEY ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED FOR THEIR ORIGINAL COA APPROVAL.

UM, AND, UH, THE APPLICANT'S CRAVEN COUNTY.

AND THE, UH, UH, AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE IS DAVID GRIFFIN AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COUNTY AND DAVID GRIFFIN ARE HERE THIS EVENING.

SO THAT'S THE, UH, SIGNED DOCUMENT FOR HIS AUTHORIZATION AND FOR, UH, THESE, THIS AMENDMENT, UH, WE, UH, RAN ANOTHER, UH, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW FOR THIS.

AND FOR THE PROPOSED, UH, PROJECT, UH, THERE IS, UH, A ZONING PERMIT IS NOT REQUIRED.

UH, BUT ACCORDING TO THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, BUT A FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IS REQUIRED.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL PROCEED WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT'S INFORMATION PROVIDED, UH, IN THIS PACKET THIS TIME.

UH, AND SO THEY STARTED WITH, UH, SOME IMAGES OF THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDING.

UH, AND TO NOTE IN THIS PARTICULAR PHOTO IS THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER IS THIS, UH, THE, UH, EXISTING ENTRYWAY, UM, KIND OF MONUMENTAL ENTRYWAY, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, UH, IN THE BUILDING THAT WILL BE PRESERVED WHILE THE REST OF THE BUILDING WILL BE DEMOLISHED.

SO HERE'S AN CLOSER UP VIEW OF THAT.

AND THEN ON THE SIDE, THERE ACTUALLY IS ONE OTHER PIECE THAT WILL BE PRESERVED.

AND THAT IS THIS, UH, THIS CAP ACROSS THE TOP OF THIS MONUMENTAL ENTRANCE.

THE REST OF THE ENTRANCE WILL NOT BE PRESERVED EXCEPT FOR POSSIBLY THE, UM, THE KEYSTONE, THE DECORATIVE KEYSTONE HERE.

UM, BUT THOSE TWO PIECES WILL, UH, BE USED, UH, IN THE, UH, FRONT ENTRY MONUMENTAL ENTRYWAY, I GUESS.

AND THIS IS A, UH, SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT, UH, DOWN HERE IN THE LOWER CORNER HERE, OR LOWER EDGE HERE.

THIS YELLOW BOX REPRESENTS THE LOCATION OF WHAT WILL REMAIN OF THE, UH, SHRINERS TEMPLE BUILDING.

AND THAT IS THAT MONUMENTAL ENTRANCE.

UH, AND THE REST OF THE PRO THE PROJECT IS SHOWING, UH, THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW PARKING LOT, ALL THE PARKING, UH, ISLANDS AND ROWS.

UM, UH, SOME GREEN AROUND THE PERIMETER, UH, SOME AND SOME BROWN THROUGHOUT, UH, AS WELL.

ALSO, THE EXISTING, UH, STATUE AND, UH, FLAGPOLES AT THE CORNER ARE TO REMAIN, UH, AS IS.

AND A NEW, UH, MASONRY WALL, LOW MASONRY WALL WILL BE, UH, CONSTRUCTED USING, UH, BRICKS FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING IF POSSIBLE, OR AT LEAST ONES THAT MATCH IT.

AND THEN, UH, UH, SURROUND THE BACK BEHIND THE, UH, BEHIND THE STATUTE.

WE'LL SEE THAT IN A SECOND TOO.

THE LAST THING HERE, WELL, UM, I GUESS ANOTHER THING IS THERE WILL BE A NEW DRIVEWAY COMING OFF OF BROAD STREET AND THE OTHERS WILL BE CLOSED.

AND, UH, THE EXISTING, I BELIEVE IT'S EXISTING DRIVEWAY OFF OF THIS END, OR AT LEAST MODIFIED DRIVEWAY OFF OF EAST FRONT AVENUE, UH, WILL BE THERE.

THERE'S ALSO A CONNECTION ACROSS FROM THIS PARKING LOT INTO THE EXISTING PARKING LOT JUST TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.

UH, AND THEN THE LAST THING IS THE, UH, UH, ORNAMENTAL IRON FENCING THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY WILL BE RETAINED, PROBABLY RE UH, JUST MOVED IN ORDER TO, UM, ALIGN WITH THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, BUT WILL BE RETAINED AS PART, UH, FEATURE OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL.

LET'S SEE.

SO HERE'S A RENDERING OF WHAT THAT REMNANT WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE END.

SO WE HAVE, UH, UM, YOU SEE THE, UH, THE YELLOW BRICK WORK AND, UH, ACTUALLY THE EXISTING, UH, STAIRWAY PLATFORM, UH, UP TO THE, UH, ENTRY DOORS WILL BE RETAINED AS WELL IN SITU IN PLACE.

AND THEN ON THE TOP OF THAT, UH, MONUMENTAL CONSTRUCTION IS WHERE THAT, UH,

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UM, LET'S SEE.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE MAIN THING FOR THAT ONE, FOR THAT IMAGE.

HERE'S A, A BROADER ANGLED VIEW SHOWING THE PARKING LOT BEHIND IT, UH, WITH MORE INFORMATION THERE THAT WE SAW WHEN PROJECT WAS, UM, APPROVED.

AND SAME THING WITH THIS ONE.

THESE WERE ALL THINGS THAT WERE APPROVED AT THE TIME.

UM, JUST A FEW DETAILS WERE LEFT OVER, UM, FOR THIS, UH, PARTICULAR AMENDMENT.

UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE STATUES RETAINED, THE FLAG POLES ARE RETAINED.

UM, THIS NEW WALL IS IN HERE.

AND, UH, THE, UM, KEYTONES, UH, IF THERE IS ONLY ONE, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO, UH, PRECAST, UH, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO IT, UH, FOR THE OTHER SIDE.

UH, AND CONSTRUCTING THESE LITTLE, UH, REPLICA, UH, ONION DOMES ON THESE TWO ENDS HERE.

UM, THEY'RE ALSO ADDING SOME UPLIGHTING FOR THIS.

UH, AND THESE, UH, THREE BENCHES, SORRY.

AND THERE'S A RENDERING OF THE ENTIRE SITE, ACTUALLY.

SO, UM, THIS WAS AN EMAIL THAT WAS PROVIDED TO FILL IN SOME OF THE BLANKS, UH, THE LAST TIME.

UH, BUT WE'RE GOING TO FINISH THAT THIS TIME.

AND THIS IS NOW THE, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION SET FOR THE PROJECT AT THE MOMENT.

PAGE TWO SHOWS NOTHING HELPFUL FOR US, UH, HERE.

ALRIGHT.

THEY DID ALSO PROVIDE, IN THIS CONSTRUCTION, SET A SET OF, UM, UM, PHOTOS FROM THE EXISTING PROPERTY, UH, SO THAT THE CONTRACTORS HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THEY'RE, UH, DEMOLISHING AND WHAT THEY, WHAT IS TO REMAIN.

UH, AND SO THAT'S WHAT THESE LITTLE BLACK CIRCLES REPRESENT, OR SOME OF THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT ARE DOWN HERE IN THE LOWER RIGHT.

UM, OBVIOUSLY NOBODY CAN READ THAT, NOT EVEN ME AT THIS POINT.

UH, BUT, UH, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ THOSE, UH, ON YOUR COMPUTER AT HOME.

ALRIGHT, UH, THE NEXT SHEET IS THE, UM, SURVEY, THE PROPERTY LINE SURVEY, UH, FOR NOT ONLY THIS PROPERTY, BUT ALSO THE ADMINISTRATION, UH, PROPERTY AS WELL.

UM, THAT DOES COME IN HELPFUL, UH, LATER ON.

UH, AND THIS IS THE SAME, UM, THAT'S HIGHLIGHTING THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THE EXISTING PARKING LOTS.

AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A DEMOLITION PLAN.

AND IT DOES, UH, SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT THE, UH, RETENTION OF THE, THE, UH, ENTRYWAY DOWN HERE, AND THE NOTES DO THAT AS WELL.

AND THIS IS AN ARCHITECTURAL, UH, DEMOLITION PLAN, WHICH IS A LITTLE CLEARER TO UNDERSTAND, UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT ALSO OVERLAYS THE, UH, THE, UM, PROPOSED, UH, REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.

SO THIS, UH, LIGHT GRAY AREA WITH THIS X THROUGH IT IS THE EXISTING BUILDING.

AND YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM, THIS IS THE, UH, EXISTING ENTRANCE.

UM, AND CAN SEE HOW THAT WORKS TOGETHER WITH THE PLAN.

SO, UM, THE RENDERING IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, A PRETTY GOOD REPRESENTATION OF ALL THAT.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS IT POINTS OUT SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT PIECES WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER ALONG THE, THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY.

UM, THERE IS A PROPOSAL FOR SOME FENCING ALONG THERE.

WELL, AGAIN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE MORE IN DETAIL LATER.

SO THIS IS THEN THE, UH, THE OFFICIALS, UH, SO THE ENGINEERING SITE PLAN, UM, AND, UH, SHOWS THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF PAVING, UH, AND OTHER CONSTRUCTION RELATED DETAILS FOR THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKING LOT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE SPECIFICALLY ASKING FOR, FOR THIS TIME AROUND, UH, FOR THIS AMENDMENT.

AND, UH, SO THEY'VE PROVIDED A PLANTING PLAN THAT INCLUDES, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF TREES, WHICH ARE REPRESENTED EACH BY THESE DIFFERENT SYMBOLS.

THE FIRST ONE IS A LIVE OAK CATHEDRAL, LIVE OAK.

IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A YOUR TYPICAL LIVE OAK.

UH, AND I'LL DESCRIBE THAT IN MINUTE.

UH, TRIDENT MAPLE, A RED BUD, AND THEY HAVE

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AND THE LITTLE GYM, MAGNOLIA, WHICH IS A SMALL MAGNOLIA SMALL IN MAGNOLIA TERMS. UH, AND THEN THERE'S A LIST OF ALL VARIOUS OTHER BUSHES, SHRUBS, AND, UH, GROUND COVERS.

SO HERE THEY PROVIDED SOME IMAGES OF WHAT, UH, THOSE PLANTS LOOK LIKE, AT LEAST AT THE NURSERY.

UM, I'M GONNA ENLARGE THIS SOMEWHAT.

THERE WE GO.

UM, SO THIS CATHEDRAL LIVE OAK IS UP HERE ON THE LEFT, AND THE TRIDENT MAPLE, THE PURPLE HEART RED BUD, AND THE LITTLE GEM MAGNOLIA.

THOSE GIVE YOU SOME IDEA OF THESE.

UM, MAGNOLIAS ARE AN EVERGREEN, AND THEY ARE NOTED FOR THEIR LARGE WHITE FLOWERS.

UM, SO, AND THIS, UH, PURPLE HEART RED BUD IS EXPECTED TO HAVE, UM, BLOOMS LIKE THAT.

AND HERE'S SOME REPRESENTATIONS OF THE OTHER PLANTS.

UH, THEY'VE CALLED OUT FOR THE GROUND COVERS AND SUCH.

THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF ROSES IN THERE.

UM, SO I, UM, WENT AHEAD AND RESEARCHED WHAT THESE ACTUALLY ARE LIKE.

UM, SO PROVIDED, SO FOR THE, UH, CATHEDRAL CATHEDRAL LIVE OAK, UM, UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA HAD THIS INFORMATION, UM, IT'S GOOD FOR WET URBAN LANDSCAPES.

IT, IT GROWS IN SAND AND ADAPTED TO DROUGHT, AND IT'S A TOUGH TREE.

IT IS RELATIVELY NEW, UM, RELATIVELY NEW, UH, CULTIVAR OR VARIETY.

AND, UH, THIS OTHER, UH, SOURCE BREA FARMS ALSO HAD SOME IN INFORMATION ABOUT IT.

UH, HAS A STUDY STURDY STRUCTURE AND IS WELL SUITED AS A STREET TREE, WHICH PROBABLY MAKES IT GOOD FOR A PARKING LOT.

AND THEN, UM, AS FAR AS WATER, IT WILL TOLERATE OCCASIONAL FLOODING IN PERIODS OF DROUGHT, WHICH IS GOOD TO HAVE WHEN YOU'RE IN A FLOODPLAIN.

AND WE HAVE DROUGHTS AROUND HERE.

THEN COLD TOLERANCE, UM, IT, UH, IT MAY IS SUITABLE FOR PARKING LOTS AND WILD WILDLIFE HABITATS.

THE TRIDENT MAPLE, UH, INFORMATION FROM NC STATE EXTENSION GARDENER PLANT TOOLBOX, UM, SAYS THAT, UH, THIS TREE GROWS 25 TO 35 FEET TALL AND 20 TO 30 FEET WIDE.

IT PREFERS FULL SUN, WHICH IS GOOD IN A PARKING LOT AND AVERAGE WELL DRAINED ACIDIC SOILS.

AND IT'S TOLERANT OF WIND, SALT, DROUGHT, AIR POLLUTION, AND SOIL COMPACTION, AND CAN BE PRUNED TO A SINGLE STEM.

UH, AND IT CAN BE USED AS A STREET TREE OR A SHADE TREE.

THEN THE RED BUD IS ACTUALLY WHAT THEY CALL A PURPLE HEART.

RED BUD.

UM, ACTUALLY COULDN'T FIND THIS SPECIFIC PURPLE HEART ONE ON THE INTERNET.

UH, BUT AI WAS, UH, HELPFUL.

SO MAY NEED TO TAKE THIS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, BUT, UH, WE DID FIND THIS ANYWAY, UM, UH, IT HAS HEART-SHAPED LEAVES AND BEAUTIFUL BLOOMS. UH, THE PURPLE HEART CULTIVAR IS LIMITED.

IT'S CLOSELY RELATED VARIETIES LIKE FOREST PANSY AND BURGUNDY HEARTS PROVIDE HELPFUL INSIGHTS.

AND SO THEN, UM, THEY ALSO GO ON TO SAY IT'S PURPLE FOLIAGE AND BEAUTIFUL SPRING BLOOMS, UH, PRESENT FOR THIS, UH, TREE.

AND, UH, CHARACTERISTICS ALSO INCLUDE A HEIGHT OF EIGHT TO 12 FEET WITH A SIMILAR SPREAD.

AND THE GROWTH HABIT IS A ROUNDED FORM, AND THE LIGHT REQUIREMENTS ARE SUN TO PARTIAL SHADE AND PREFERS WELL-TRAINED SOIL, OR THRIVES BEST IN WELL-TRAINED SOIL.

AND SO, SINCE THEY MENTIONED THE FOREST PANSY, OH, ALSO IT'S, UH, PERFECT FOR ADDING VIBRANT COLOR.

UH, SO WHAT I COULD FIND ON THE INTERNET THOUGH WAS THE FOREST PANSY, UH, WHICH THEY, UH, REFERENCED.

AND IT LOOKS KIND OF LIKE THIS.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE IN THIS CASE IT'S IN A PARKING LOT, BUT THEY DO, UH, MENTION THAT AS NATIVE TO CENTRAL AND EASTERN NORTH AMERICA HAS THESE, UH, PURPLE-ISH, UM, HEART SHAPED, UH, LEAVES.

AND THEN BURGUNDY HEARTS, UM, GROWS 15 TO 20 FEET TALL AND 20 TO 25 FEET WIDE.

IT'S DROUGHT TOLERANT AND IS, UH, USEFUL AS A STREET TREE.

AND IN THIS CASE, THE, UH, IT SHOWS, UH, DARKER PURPLE, UH, LEAVES FOR THIS ONE.

SO, UM, COULD BE SIMILAR TO THAT.

WHEREAS THE MAGNOLIA LITTLE GEM, UH, IT'S

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THE BEAUTIFUL SOUTHERN MAGNOLIA, IT'S, UH, GROWS COMPACT, UPRIGHT, MULTI STEM SHRUB, OR AS A SMALL TREE TO 20 FEET TALL OVER THE FIRST 20 YEARS.

AND GROWS WELL IN FULL SUN TO PARTIAL SHADE.

IT, UH, GROWS IN WELL DRAINED SOILS AND IS GENERALLY INTOLERANT OF SOIL EXTREMES, DRY OR WET.

AND THEN, UH, UH, THEY MENTION IT CAN BE USED EFFECTIVELY USED AS A SMALL TREE IN SELECTED URBAN SETTINGS.

SO, UH, THAT GIVES AN IDEA OF THOSE PLANTS, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PLANTS IN THE LANDSCAPING PLANT.

UH, THOSE WERE DETAILS ABOUT HOW TO PLANT THEM.

OKAY, SO NOW THIS, UH, THIS PAGE, UM, IS THE, WHAT DO WE, IT'S CALLED THE ARCHITECTURAL SITE PLAN.

AND SO THIS PROVIDES NOW INFORMATION ABOUT THE FENCE AND, UH, ALONG THE, UH, NORTHERN BOUNDARY.

UM, A COUPLE THINGS I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT HERE.

UM, SO I'M GONNA LOOK AT NOT ONLY THESE IMAGES HERE, UM, AND SEE THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT THIS KIND OF WHITE FENCE, UH, PVC WHITE FENCE, UH, BUT THEY ARE RESPECTING THE EXISTING, UM, IRON FENCE AND, UH, RETAINING WALL, UH, ALONG WHERE THAT EXISTS ALONG THE, UM, THE EASTERN END OF THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY.

UH, BUT THE, UH, THERE IS A TRANSITION PERIOD IN HERE.

AND, UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO JUST REMOVE THE, UH, CHAIN LINK FENCE AND LEAVING THE, UH, THE METAL, UM, THE IRON FENCE HERE, UH, AND, UH, CONSTRUCTING THEIR FENCE UP TO THAT.

UM, SO, UM, THE, THE DRAWINGS, UH, SINCE WE'RE HERE, JUST GO THIS WAY, UM, INDICATE THAT THE FENCE WILL CONTINUE NOT ONLY, UH, ON UH, WHAT WAS THE, UM, SHRINER'S PROPERTY, BUT CONTINUE ON, UH, THE EDGE, UH, ALONG THE EDGE OF THE COUNTY'S ADMINISTRATION BUILDING PROPERTY, UH, OVER TO THIS LEFT EDGE, WHICH IS, UH, NOT CLEAR WHERE THAT ACTUALLY IS.

SO, UM, , YEAH.

SO THAT IS GOING TO BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.

UM, THIS PLAN ALSO INCLUDES, UH, REFERENCE TO SOME DETAILS FOR THE RETAINED, UH, MONUMENTAL ENTRY AND THEN DETAILS ABOUT THE, UM, THE SHRINERS, UH, STATUE AREA OF THE CORNER AND THE, UM, THE IRON FENCING TO BE RETAINED NEXT.

SO THIS WAS A, UM, AN EXCERPT FROM, UH, DRAWING THIS, UH, SENT TO US ABOUT THE SIZE AND, UM, UH, DESIGN OF THE FENCING.

AND HERE YOU CAN SEE IT'S, UM, WHAT, SIX FOOT TWO INCHES.

UM, SO ESSENTIALLY SIX FEET, UH, TO THE BOTTOM RAIL.

AND THEY WERE SHOWING IN THE PHOTO ANYWAY, UM, INSTALLING IT.

THE GROUND IS RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM HERE, LIKE TWO INCHES IT LOOKS LIKE ABOVE THE GROUND.

SO THAT COULD BE THE TWO INCHES.

UH, AND THEY ALSO PROVIDED THIS IMAGE AS A REPRESENTATION OF ANOTHER REPRESENTATION OF THAT FENCING.

OH NO, THAT'S DIFFERENT.

AND IT ALL GOT VERY TINY.

EVERYTHING IS VERY TOUCHY HERE.

NOW LET'S JUST DO THIS.

ALRIGHT, KEEP DOING LIKE THAT.

I HAVE ANOTHER IMAGE HERE.

UM, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS TO REPRESENT MAYBE A, SOME AREA WHERE IT'S ON TOP OF A WALL, THAT THEY'LL BE INSTALLING IT ON A WALL.

THIS IS, UM, SO WITH ENOUGH QUESTIONS IN MY MIND, I WENT OUT AND, UH, TOOK SOME PHOTOGRAPHS FOR YOU GUYS.

UM, SO THIS IS THE, THE PORTION OF THE FENCING, THE FENCED AREA THAT WOULD REMAIN UNCHANGED, UM, OTHER THAN AS FAR AS THE FENCE GOES.

UM, AND, UM, I THINK THEY'VE DETERMINED THAT THIS, WHAT IS CALLED OUT AS A SIDEWALK IN THE, UH, IN THE DEMOLITION PLANS IS ACTUALLY THE FOOT OF THE RETAINING WALL.

IS THAT CORRECT? THE APP PORTION OF THE WALL? YEAH, THAT PLACE.

SO THEY'RE DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO BE REMOVING ANY PORTIONS OF THE FOOT OF THE

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ALRIGHT, SO, UH, THIS IS THE NEXT SECTION UP, UH, WHERE THAT FENCING, WE JUST SAW TRANSITIONS FROM A SHORTER FENCE WITH THIS ROUND CIRCLE IN IT TO A TALLER FENCE, UM, THAT HAS SOME SPEARHEADS ON THE TOP OF THE, OF THE PIECES, WHEREAS BEFORE THEY WERE JUST SQUARE TOPPED.

AND THE, UH, THE POST IS OF COURSE TALLER.

AND THEN THAT CONTINUES, UM, ALL THE WAY TO THE END WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CHAIN LINK FENCE AT THE END OF THE, UH, THE METAL FENCING.

UM, AND PASSES IN FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORS, UM, WHAT WE CALL LATTICE, UH, BRICKWORK WALL HERE, UH, WHICH ALSO EXTENDS TO PASS BEHIND THE, UH, CHAIN FENCE.

SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TO USE THEIR NEW FENCE TO COVER THE, UM, LATTICE, UH, BRICK FENCE THERE.

UH, MATT, WE'LL START TO THE LEFT.

WE'RE LEAVING ALL THAT STUFF.

SO YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE, YOU'LL SAY END THE FENCE AT THIS LIKE SECOND CORRECT.

UM, POLE HERE.

EXCELLENT.

BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO THE FENCE STARTING AT THAT POINT.

I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT HOWEVER, UM, WE DO NEED TO CONSIDER, I MEAN, EVEN, UH, THIS IS THE, THE FENCE THAT THE BRICK FENCING BEHIND THE METAL HERE A LITTLE FARTHER.

AND HERE'S THE AREA WHERE IT IS, UM, BEHIND THE CHAIN LINK.

UH, THIS WAS THE POST, WHICH IS WOULD BE YOUR TRANSITION PLACE OR WOULD'VE BEEN YOUR TRANSITION PLACE.

SO WE WON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT SO MUCH AT THE MOMENT.

SO WE'LL GO DOWN.

SO WHAT I DID WANT TO SHOW WAS THE, UM, ACTUAL CONDITION OF THAT, UH, LATTICE BRICK FENCE.

SO NOBODY'S SURPRISED, UM, WHEN IT'S EXPOSED THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT.

UH, AND THEN, UH, SO THIS IS THEN WHERE YOU WOULD, UH, BRING YOUR UH, UH, PVC FENCE UP TO SAY THIS LOCATION APPROXIMATELY.

AND, AND YOU'RE GOING TO DIVE IT IN OR JUST TERMINATE IT THERE.

IT'LL BUMP, IT'S REALLY REPLACING THE WOOD FENCE, YOU SEE.

SO IT JUST BUMPS NEXT TO IT.

OH, SO THE WOOD FENCE IS YOURS? UH, THAT'S A TOUGH ZONE TO, TO TURN.

OH, OKAY.

.

ALRIGHT.

UM, WELL IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE REMOVING SOMEONE ELSE'S FENCE, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY GET THEIR PERMISSION .

UH, IF FOR SOME REASON IT IS REQUESTED TO THE MAIN GOOGLE STEEL, YES.

OKAY.

AND, AND I KNOW YOU'RE PROVIDING INFORMATION, BUT YOU REALLY NEED TO TALK IN THE MICROPHONE IF YOU'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING OH, RIGHT.

YEAH, SORRY.

THANK YOU.

I'LL STAND YOU WHILE YOU LEAVE.

YEP.

AND GO AHEAD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF WHILE YOU'RE AT IT.

UH, UH, DAVID GRIFFIN WOULD, OAKLEY COLLIER, UM, TO MATT'S POINT, IF FOR SOME REASON THE EXISTING FENCE IS REQUESTED TO REMAIN, WE'RE GONNA PUT OURS AND JUST LEAVE IT IN PLACE AND KEEP GOING.

THE PROPERTY LINE IS REALLY GRAY THROUGH THAT ZONE ON REALLY WHO OWNS THE FENCE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE EVERYTHING WE CAN WHILE WE'RE BACK THERE.

I DUNNO WHY THIS IS HERE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING AWAY.

SO, BUT WHILE YOU'RE THERE, SO THERE WON'T BE ANY FENCING WHERE THE CHAIN LINK IS NOW.

CORRECT.

THE SAME BRICK WALL YOU SEE NOW, YOU'LL SEE THAT WILL BE THE WALL.

THEY'RE ALL CHAIN FENCE JUST MOVING THE CHAIN LINK 'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN GOOD SHAPE.

SO, OKAY.

AND THEN HOPEFULLY REPLACING THE WOOD FENCE, OR AT LEAST RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT SO THE, THE PVC FENCE WOULD COME UP TO THAT SPOT EITHER WAY.

RIGHT.

ALRIGHT, SO NEXT, OH, AND THERE'S A TREE RIGHT THERE THAT'S KIND OF DESTROYING THAT FENCE TREE IS SUBJECTIVE.

YES.

I THINK IT'S A LARGE BUSH THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME.

SO ONCE YOU GO PAST THE BUILDING ON THE BACK, WHICH YOU CAN'T SEE FROM, UH, THE PARKING LOT, UM, I TOOK A PHOTO LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE, UH, UM, SHRINERS BUILDING.

AND IT'S ALL THIS WOOD FENCE THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON REPLACING WITH THE PVC FENCE.

UM, IT'S A STRAIGHTFORWARD, UH, WOOD FENCE WITH A, A WOOD CAP ON THE TOP.

UM, THEN THAT TURNS LEFT, YOU SEE UP THERE AND BECOMES, THERE WE GO.

AND BECOMES, UH, THIS CORNER LITTLE CORNER THING THAT FOLLOWS YOUR PROPERTY LINE.

YOUR PROPERTY LINE ACTUALLY GOES LIKE THIS, UH, COMES OUT ON THE LEFT SIDE, DOES ANOTHER, UH, TURN, UH, PARALLEL TO THE, UH,

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COMES OUT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PHOTO.

UM, WHICH THEN DOES ANOTHER TURN BACK IN.

UM, AND THERE'S A, UH, ANOTHER LITTLE NOTCH OUT AT THERE.

AND THEN THERE'S SOME FENCING WITH SOME SHADOW, UM, TYPE FENCING, SHADOW BOX FENCING.

THEN IT COMES OUT HERE AGAIN, BACKED OUT TO THE PARKING LOT AND GOES ALONG THE PARKING LOT.

OOPS.

AND NEXT PHOTO, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT PAST THIS, UH, WHITE TRUCK HERE WITH THE BLACK RACK ROOF RACK ON IT.

OKAY.

WHICH IS THEN BACK HERE ON ALL THE WAY BACK HERE IN THE BACKGROUND.

SO THAT THEN DOES ANOTHER TURN, UM, AWAY FROM THE PARKING LOT AND FOLLOWS ALONG THE PARKING LOT, UH, OUT TO THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE.

AND I BELIEVE, UH, YOUR PROPERTY LINE CONTINUES FROM THERE FORWARD.

UM, AT LEAST THAT'S THE WAY YOUR SURVEY SHOWS.

THAT IS CORRECT.

SO THIS FENCING, UM, FROM THAT, UH, FIRST SIGN RIGHT HAND SIGN HERE TO THE LEFT, THAT'S ALL ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.

MM-HMM .

UH, SO YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON REPLACING THAT OR MAYBE YOU'RE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT THAT? OUR, WE WOULD, OUR INTENT IS TO REPLACE ALL OF IT.

TO REPLACE IT ALL, YES.

OKAY.

ALL THE WAY UP TO CRAVEN STREET.

UH, OKAY.

SO, UM, THIS IS THEN THE REST OF THE WAY, ESSENTIALLY TO CRAVEN STREET.

THERE IS NO FENCE THERE NOW.

UM, THE, UH, YOU CAN NO LONGER HAVE A SIX FOOT FENCE.

ONCE YOU PASS THIS CORNER HERE.

IT HAS TO BE A FOUR FOOT FENCE OR LESS FROM THERE.

BACK FROM THERE TOWARDS THE STREET.

OH, TOWARDS THE STREET.

NOT TO THE BACK.

GOTCHA.

I'M FOLLOWING YOU NOW.

UM, SO WE'LL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT GETS CLARIFIED EITHER TONIGHT OR WITH A CONDITION AND THE MOTION.

HOW, HOW FAR IS THAT PROPERTY LINE OFF THAT, OFF THAT HOUSE, OFF THAT STRUCTURE? PROBABLY FIVE FEET OR SO.

UM, WELL, FIVE FEET TO THE PORCH MAYBE.

YEAH.

THAT, THAT'S OUR BUILDING.

YEAH.

OKAY.

YES, ABOUT FIVE FEET PROPERTY LINE TO THE HOUSE.

AND WE WERE PLANNING TO PUT THE FENCE WHEREVER IT STARTS NOW, IN CONTINUATION, I GUESS PICKING UP THAT POINT.

OKAY.

AND MAINTAINING SIX FEET FROM THEIR BACK TO SCREEN.

SO, I'M SORRY, SO ABOUT WHERE THAT LIKE WHITE SIGN IS, IS THAT THE DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE STRUCTURE? UM, IT'S KIND OF THE JOG.

THE PREVIOUS JOG IN THE FENCE WOULD BE, THE PROPERTY LINE IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE BLACK ASPHALT AND THE HOUSE.

YES.

IT'S, UH, ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY, IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE FRONT POINT OF THIS MM-HMM .

OKAY.

OF THESE TWO PARKING SPACES.

BUT YES, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

AND WE HAVE THOSE TO THE TWO PARKING.

CORRECT.

THERE'S A SHARED PARKING ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.

YES.

YES.

SO THESE TWO SIGNS REPRESENT TWO PARKING SPACES THAT, UM, ARE AT THE SERVICE OF, OF THIS NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.

SO, UM, OKAY.

SO THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING TOGETHER.

SO, UM, AGAIN, UH, THIS IS THE RENDERING FOR THE, FOR THE MONUMENTAL ENTRANCEWAY.

UH, OH, I, UH, INCLUDED THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE, UM, ALSO THEY'RE PROPOSING TO INCLUDE, UM, DECORATIVE LIGHTS THAT WERE THERE BEFORE, OR SIMILAR TO THE ONES THAT WERE THERE BEFORE.

THESE ARE FROM, UH, 20, I THINK 19, UH, 20 12, 20 19, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

AND THEN, UH, FLORENCE, UH, DID A NUMBER ON IT, I GUESS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOW GONE AND THEY'VE BEEN GONE SINCE 2021 OR SOMETHING.

SO THESE ARE NOW THE, UH, THE DETAILED DRAWINGS FOR THE, UH, FOR THAT RETENTION OF THAT STRUCTURE OR PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE CAN SEE, UH, THEY CLEARLY SHOW THAT THIS IS TO RE BE RETAINED AND THE REST CAN BE REMOVED.

UM, AND TO RETAIN THE, UM, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THAT? A TABLATURE? THE TABLETURE, YEP.

FOR THE, UH, OVER THIS, UH, SIDE ENTRANCE PLUS THE KEYSTONE.

UH, AND THEN THE END TABLATURE IS TO BE PLACED OVER TOP OF THE, UH, EXISTING ONE.

SO IT, IS IT THE SAME WIDTH? IT'S A LITTLE WIDER, BUT WE ARE PUTTING A NEW MASONRY WALL AROUND PIECE 'CAUSE IT WILL NOT BE PRETTY ON THE BACKSIDE.

YES.

SO WE'RE DRESSING IT UP AND THE NEW WRAPAROUND MASONRY IS WHAT WILL BALANCE WITH THE NEW TURE.

YEAH.

OKAY.

PERFECT.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE PLAN VIEW.

BUT LET'S FIRST GO TO THE, UM, THE SECTION HERE, WHICH SHOWS THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON ESSENTIALLY BUILDING A CONCRETE BLOCK WALL FROM THE GROUND WITH A NEW FOUNDATION, UM, UH, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP.

AND THEN, UH, WRAPPING THAT

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UH, AND THIS IS TO HELP STABILIZE AND ENSURE, UM, UM, STRUCTURAL, UM, INTEGRITY FOR THAT, UH, MONUMENTAL ENTRANCE.

UH, AND ON THE TOP HERE YOU CAN SEE HERE'S THE END TABLATURE BEING SHOWN ON THE FRONT, AND THEN A NEW CAP ON THE TOP.

UH, AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY IT FOR THAT SECTION.

UM, SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES.

THAT, THAT WRAPAROUND.

SO IT'S, IT'S THE SAME BRICK, IT JUST, IT JUST, SO THE, THE, IT'S IT'S RELATIVELY THIN STRUCTURE.

YES.

SO THERE'S A FRONT FACE, THERE'S A SIDEWALL, AND THEN THAT SAME BRICK JUST WRAPS AROUND THE BACK AS A SOLID FACE.

YEAH.

KIND OF LIKE A U SHAPE AROUND IT AND TIES BACK TO THE KIND OF THE SLOPE MASONRY THAT'S THERE NOW.

OKAY.

AND ALL USING SALVAGE BRICKS.

SO HOPEFULLY IT BLENDS FAIRLY WELL.

OKAY.

BUT IT WILL BE KIND OF A, JUST A, A BLANK WALL.

IT'S NOT, THE DOORWAY WON'T BE EITHER.

YEAH.

JUST TO MAKE STRAIGHT UP.

YEP.

OKAY.

JUST THE BACK OF IT.

AND, UM, UH, BECAUSE THAT DOORWAY IS, I'M SORRY THAT DOORWAY IS NOT FUNCTIONING.

IT IS NOT.

THERE'LL BE NOWHERE TO GO.

.

SO, UH, VICE CHAIR WE COULD, THE, UM, PLAN FOR THE SHOWING THE WRAPAROUND HERE IS ON THE SCREEN AT THE MOMENT FOR YOU.

I JUST, YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO PICTURE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THE BACK.

YES.

HOPEFULLY WELL LAID MASONRY.

THAT LOOKS GOOD.

SO I'M SO SORRY.

IT'S HARD TO MOVE THIS ALL AROUND.

THERE WE GO.

ALRIGHT.

SO THE OTHER, UM, PIECES ON HERE THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR US ARE THE, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF THE LOW WALL, THE LOW WALL AROUND THE BACK OF THE, UH, SHRINERS, UM, STATUE, UH, DETAILS FOR THAT.

AND THEN ALSO SHOWING THE, UM, THE, UH, LITTLE ONION DOME, UH, PIECE ON EACH END.

AND IT ALSO SHOWS THE, OH, NOT ON THERE.

OKAY.

SORRY.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S IT FOR THAT ONE.

MM-HMM .

MOVE TO THE NEXT PAGE.

YES.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS COULD BE A PRECAST STU KEYSTONE, MAYBE SALVAGED, MAYBE, UH, NEW, UH, HOPEFULLY AT LEAST ONE OF THEM WILL, UH, WILL SURVIVE.

SO THEN, UH, WE CAN MOVE TO THE LIGHTING FOR THE SITE.

UH, AND SO, UM, HERE THIS SHOWS THAT THERE WILL BE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF LIGHTS.

UH, ONE, ONE KIND FOR THE PERIMETER.

YOU CAN SEE THIS LINE GOING ACROSS HERE.

THIS CURTAIN, YOU KNOW, LOOPING LINE REPRESENTS THE, THE WIRING BETWEEN EACH OF THE LIGHTS.

UH, AND THEY'RE ALSO ON THE BACKSIDE AS WELL.

THERE'S, UH, ANOTHER LOOP AROUND THAT SIDE.

AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE, I DIDN'T TELL IT TO DO THAT.

UH, IN THE MIDDLE THERE'S, UH, TWO SERIES RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE, UH, FOR THE PARKING LOT AREA IN THE MIDDLE.

UM, THIS IS BECAUSE THE ONES ON THE PERIMETER ARE GOING TO BE, UH, SHINING INWARD IN ONE DIRECTION AND THE OTHER LIGHTS WILL BE SHINING 180 DEGREES, ESSENTIALLY DOWNWARD.

ALRIGHT.

AND WE'LL SEE THOSE IN A MINUTE.

UH, BUT THIS ALSO DOES SHOW THAT, UH, THE, THE LIGHTS ON THE MONUMENTAL, UH, ENTRANCE WILL BE, UH, ILLUMINATED OR AT LEAST ELECTRIFIED.

AND THERE ARE ALSO THREE LIGHTS UPLIGHTS SHOWN FOR THE, UH, STATUE AREA.

SO THAT'S THE ONE, UH, THAT WILL BE ON THE PERIMETER.

SO IT'LL BE, UH, UH, DIRECTED TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT AND NOT TOWARDS, UM, THE STREET OR THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

AND THEN, UH, THIS IS THE ONE FOR THE MIDDLE WHERE IT'S ALSO, UM, SHINING DOWNWARD, BUT IN A 180 DEGREES.

GOOD.

LIKE THAT.

ME TOO.

AND THEN THIS IS THE, UM, ONE TO BE USED FOR THE, UH, THE MONUMENTAL ENTRANCE.

JUST A LITTLE BIT.

THERE YOU GO.

UM, SCONCE ON AN ARM WITH A SIMILAR KIND OF DETAILING.

ALRIGHT, NEXT IS, IS ARE THE PLANS FOR THAT LIGHTING TO BE ON ALL NIGHT OR JUST TILL A CERTAIN TIME? UH, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE WITH THE SUN SENSORS.

THEY'RE PROBABLY ON ALL NIGHT, SO, SO THE SPILL OVER TO THE NEIGHBOR, THE BACK NEIGHBOR'S YARD, WITH THAT KIND OF LIGHTING, YOU, YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY KIND OF ABOUT THE DECORATIVE LIGHTING OR PARKING LOT LIGHTING.

THE PARKING LOT LIGHTING.

DO YOU CLOCK THOSE OR LEAVE

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YEAH.

AND MINIMAL SPILL.

I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH THE INCIDENT.

THEY'RE ON ALL THE, ALL NIGHT.

OKAY.

FROM, UH, SUNDOWN SUN UP TO SUNDOWN.

AND, AND AND YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE CONVINCED THAT THE, WITH THAT LIGHTING FIXTURE, THE SPILLOVER LIGHTING WILL NOT HIT THE BACKYARDS OF THOSE NEIGHBORS? UH, THE MINIMAL, THE LIGHT, THE SITE LIGHTING SHOWS THE, UH, FOOT CANDLES ON THE GROUND.

IT'S MINIMAL THAT THE PROPERTY LINE.

OKAY.

UH, AND THAT WAS DESIGNED, I MEAN, PER THAT LIGHT FIXTURE.

THANK YOU.

UH, AND THEN THE LAST PIECE OF THE LIGHTING THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST TO YOU IS HOW IT'S, UM, UH, HOW WHAT THE BASE OF THOSE LIGHT, LIGHT FIXTURES ARE LIKE.

AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY A 30 INCH HIGH, UM, CONCRETE FOUNDATION POKING OUT OF THE GROUND.

UH, AND THEN THE LIGHTS ARE ATTACHED TO THAT.

SO THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR, UM, STAFF REPORT.

WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.

MATT, I GOT ONE QUESTION.

MM-HMM .

YOU DOING A BLUE GRAIN FENCE? NOT WHITE.

UH, WE WERE GONNA REQUEST THE COLOR OF THE FENCE TO BE MORE WOOD GRAIN SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THERE NOW VERSUS THE WHITE.

SO LIKE TO THAT'S OUR, OUR WISH.

IF THAT COULD BE PART OF OUR RE I MEAN OUR CHOICE.

DO YOU HAVE AN IMAGE IMAGE OF THAT? UH, ACTUALLY YEAH, THE ONE MATT SHOWED THAT LOOKED LIKE A LITTLE SHORT FENCE ON TOP OF THE WALL.

THAT'S ONE OF THE WOODTONE COLORS.

DID YOU SAY WOOD TONE OR DARK WOOD TONE? IT'S UM, IT WAS ONE OF YOUR FIRST IMAGES, MATT, I SAW COMING UP THAT RIGHT THERE.

IT'D BE THAT OR A LITTLE DARKER, BUT IT'S, IT'S VINYL MATERIAL.

IT'S STILL VINYL.

SO WE'RE, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT BETTER.

WEATHER'S GOOD.

THAT'S, UH, OUR WISH IS TO, 'CAUSE IT'S MORE SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THERE NOW.

AND WE'LL HOPE DISAPPEAR A LITTLE BETTER THAN THE WHITE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE TRUE CONSTRUCTION.

THAT'S JUST A SHORT VERSION OF IT.

YEAH.

WE DON'T REGULATE COLOR ANYWAY, SO WE DON'T OH, WELL THEN GOOD.

WHICH DO REGULATE SLOW MATERIALS.

SO I, I'M, I I MISSED THE DESIGN REVIEW.

DID YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT THE USE OF THE, OF THIS MATERIAL? IT WAS WHITE.

IT WAS WHITE IN THE, BUT THIS, THIS THE PVC? YEAH, IT'S A OH PVC.

MORE OF A HEAVY DUTY PV.

THIS IS A MORE COMMERCIAL GRADE.

WAS THAT DISCUSSED DURING DESIGN REVIEW? I DON'T RECALL.

NOT.

I DON'T THINK SO.

NO, I DON'T REMEMBER.

SO CAN WE KEEP IT THE WOOD GRAIN COLORATION? YEAH.

I VOTE AS SAME PVC PRODUCT.

WE JUST WANT TO GO WITH A WOOD TONE VERSUS WHITE.

I THINK THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE.

EXCELLENT.

I I, I HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT, BUT I'LL WAIT UNTIL THE APPROPRIATE MM-HMM .

OKAY.

DO, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO YOUR COMMENTS? I DO NOT.

I THINK MATT HAS COVERED EVERYTHING.

OKAY.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT IS, HAS RECEIVED NOTICE AND WOULD LIKE TO SERVE AS AN OPPONENT OR A PROPONENT? OH, I, I HAVE A QUESTION.

I'M SORRY IF MY NAME IS MARIE PHILLIPS.

YEAH.

GO TO THE MICROPHONE.

YEAH.

DID YOU RECEIVE YES, I SEEN IT.

TWO 13 NEW STREET.

OKAY.

JUST SAY YOUR, WAIT, CAN YOU SAY IT AGAIN IN THE MICROPHONE? INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND ADDRESS.

THANKS.

HI, MY NAME IS MARIE PHILLIPS.

I LIVE AT TWO 13 NEW STREET.

HI ROSS.

HEY GREGORY.

CAN YOU ALSO PRINT YOUR NAME ON THAT PIECE OF PAPER IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOUR ADDRESS? YES, I WILL DO ALL OF THAT.

MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE FENCE THAT'S GONNA BUTT UP AGAINST THAT.

Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GRAIN AND ALL OF THAT.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE A GATE.

'CAUSE MY PROPERTY GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BACK PARKING LOT.

WILL THERE STILL BE A GATE WHEN Y'ALL REPLACE IT WITH WHATEVER COLOR FENCE YOU PUT? THERE'S, THEY'RE SITTING RIGHT THERE.

IS IS THE GATES OR YOU HAVE ACCESS? I DON'T KNOW WHO TO ASK.

SORRY.

AND, AND, AND WHAT DOES THAT NO, MS. PHILLIPS, THAT GATE, IT, IT, IT GOES BACK TO THE COUNTY PROPERTY OR TO THE FORMER SHRINE COUNTY PROPERTY? I THINK IT'S THE PARKING LOT FOR THE EXISTING IS WHERE MY PROPERTY GOES.

THERE'S THE CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT DOES THE SUDAN TEMPLE.

MM-HMM .

YES.

UHHUH.

.

I THINK I, I LOVE THE CONVERSATION.

CAN WE TALK IN THE MICROPHONE? YES.

NO.

OH, HIM.

OKAY.

YES.

SORRY.

YES.

YEAH, THEY'RE THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER, UH, WHERE THE CENTER BLOCK SECTION OF THE SHRINER PROPERTY IS, IS WHERE THEIR GATE IS LOCATED BACK IN THAT CORNER.

YEAH.

YEAH.

GREAT.

OKAY.

WELL, GREAT.

SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS LATER.

SO I, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE, WE WERE GONNA TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS OBVIOUSLY AFTER THIS CONVERSATION.

OKAY.

SO

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THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH TOO.

THANK YOU.

AND WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO RECEIVED NOTICE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OPPOSED? OH, I'M SORRY.

UM, YOU'LL NEED HER TO SWEAR IN TOO.

OH, YOU WEREN'T HERE IN THE BEGINNING.

YES.

NO.

WELL, SHE, OKAY.

IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, YOU CAN STAND UP THERE AND DO IT IF YOU'D RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR YOUR TESTIMONY WAS TRUE, TRUE TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, UHHUH.

AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO BELIEVES THEY WERE AFFECTED UNIQUELY BY THIS PROJECT AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? OKAY.

GIVEN THAT, IS THERE ANY, UH, I THINK THAT NO, MATT, IF YOU'D GO THROUGH YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

SURE.

WAS DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT I'LL WAIT.

TALKED, WAIT.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO THIS IS OUR STAFF REPORT HERE.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS CRAVEN COUNTY AND DAVID GRIFFIN OF OAKLEY COLLIER ARCHITECTS.

UH, THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS 4 0 3 EAST FRONT STREET, HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME AND DATE OF CONSTRUCTION IS, UH, THE E SMU CHEM SUDAN TEMPLE, UH, CIRCA 1951.

UH, IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

UM, SO THE, THIS IS FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE COA TO INCLUDE THE, UM, UPDATED INFORMATION FOR THE PARKING LOT AND RETAINED FEATURES.

UM, AND, UH, WE'LL SKIP DOWN TO THE STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT PRINCIPLES AND DESIGN STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION.

UH, 1.5 ARE KEY CONCEPTS, AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN.

EACH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS DIVIDED INTO AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN.

AND THIS, UH, DIAGRAM IS USED TO, UH, SHOW HOW THAT'S DETERMINED.

UM, THE, UH, DIAGRAM SHOWS THE PRIMARY A, B, C IS THE AREA ON THE PARCEL BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE BUILDING, AND EXTENDS ACROSS THE SIDE YARD FROM THE CORNER CLOSEST TO THE STREET IN A LINE PARALLEL TO THE STREET TO THE SIDE.

PARCEL LINE CORNER PROPERTIES HAVE TWO PRIMARY ABCS AND MAY HAVE LARGE, SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

THE INTENT OF DISTINGUISHING THESE AREAS IS DESCRIBED FURTHER IN THIS SECTION.

SO THE PRIMARY A VC IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AREA BECAUSE IT'S GENERALLY LOCATED DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE STREET, AND IT CONTINUES FROM THERE.

THE SECOND SECONDARY, A, B, C INCLUDES AREAS THAT ARE NOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE STREET, BUT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, CONTINUES FROM THERE.

AND THE TERTIARY A, B, C INCLUDES AREAS GENERALLY NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND AREAS CONCEALED FROM STREET VIEW, UH, FOR, UH, AND CONTINUES FROM THERE.

WE'LL SAY THAT PUBLIC AND OPEN SPACES.

2.2 0.1.

UM, THIS IS, UM, THIS WAS PUT IN HERE, UM, FOR REFERENCE IN CASE THEY WERE CONTINUING TO PROPOSE TO OBSCURE THE, UM, LATTICE BRICKWORK.

SO WE'LL SKIP THAT ONE.

UH, LANDSCAPING 2.4 0.3, UM, USED PLANT MATERIALS THAT ARE INDIGENOUS THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, AND IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO USE CONTEMPORARY EDGING MATERIALS SUCH AS LANDSCAPING TIMBERS OR PLASTIC BORDERS.

2.4 0.4, INCORPORATE TREES, SHRUBBERY AND OTHER LANDSCAPE FEATURES AROUND THE PERIPHERY OF A LOT.

AND WITHIN PARKING AREAS, 2.4 0.7 CREATE FOCAL POINTS THAT HIGHLIGHT PUBLIC ART, STATUARY FOUNTAINS AND STRUCTURES SUCH AS PEROS AND PLACEBOS.

UH, PLACE THESE ELEMENTS IN AREAS THAT DO NOT OBSCURE HISTORIC BUILDINGS FOR THEIR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.

UH, FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.1.

FENCES AND WALLS BASED ON HISTORIC DESIGNS ARE ENCOURAGED AND INCORPORATE MATERIALS AND CONFIGURATIONS THAT RELATE TO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE ON THE SITE.

USE FENCES AND WALLS TO DEMARCATE PROPERTY LINES AND SCREEN PRIVATE AREAS.

SO THIS IS, UH, WHERE WE GET TO THE SIX FOOT AND FOUR FOOT DISTINCTION HERE IS 2.5 0.2 IN A PRIMARY, UH, A, B, C.

UM, YOU ERECT LOW FENCES AND WALLS WITH A VERTICAL DIMENSION OF FOUR FEET OR LESS, UH, SPACE, RECTANGULAR WOOD PLANKS ABOUT ONE INCH APART AND SPACE SQUARE WOOD AND IRON PICKETS ABOUT THREE INCHES APART AND ORIENT PICKETS VERTICALLY.

2.5 0.3 IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABC'S ERECT TALL FENCES AND WALLS WITH A VERTICAL DIMENSION OF SIX FEET OR LESS.

TALL FENCES THAT ABUT A STRUCTURE SHALL TERMINATE AT AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE AND TRANSITION LOW FENCING TO TALLER FENCING AT AN ARCHITECTURAL

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2.7 0.5, SCREEN PARKING LOTS WITH FENCES, WALLS, AND HEDGE ROWS TO CREATE EDGES THAT SEPARATE VEHICULAR SPACE FROM PEDESTRIAN SPACE AND PARKING SCREENS SHOULD HAVE A VERTICAL DIMENSION OF FOUR FEET OR LESS.

DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1.

CONSIDER THE SCALE MASS AND PROPORTION INHERENT TO THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND DESIGN MODIFICATIONS THAT INCORPORATE THESE CHARACTERISTICS USE BASIC SHAPES AND FORMS THAT ARE COMMON TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR MODIFICATIONS.

3.2 0.2 MODIFICATIONS TO A STRUCTURE.

UH, THIS IS AGAIN, UH, RELATIVE TO THE, UM, UH, LATTICE, UH, BRICK LATTICE FENCE.

SO WE CAN SKIP THAT ONE.

AND MASONRY 5.1 0.1.

ADHERE TO GUIDELINES FOR RETENTION OF HISTORIC FABRIC WHEN ALTERING MASONRY MATERIALS.

UH, 5.1 0.2 MATCH THE MASONRY BOND OR PATTERN OF MASONRY MATERIALS FOUND IN ADJOINING WORK.

IN GENERAL, NEW MATERIALS SHOULD BE THE SAME SIZE, COLOR, AND TEXTURE OF THAT EXISTING.