* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] READY? GOOD EVENING. I'D LIKE TO [1. Call to Order and Welcome. ] WELCOME EVERYONE TO, UH, REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FOR MARCH 11TH, 2026. UH, WE'LL ASK, UH, ASSISTANT CMS IF YOU WOULD, TO GIVE A TROLL CALL, PLEASE. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. GIVE US A ROLL CALL. THANK YOU. GOOD. ARE YOU COMMISSIONER DOVE PRESENT. COMMISSIONER DILLON. COMMISSIONER PROCTOR. HERE. COMMISSIONER MORGAN. COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND. HERE. COMMISSIONER SI. SIMMONS. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER STEWART? CHAIR PARHAM. HERE. CO-CHAIR WALLACE CHAIR OF PERFORMANCE. OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU. AND, UH, JUST FOR THE BOARD AND OTHER MEMBERS, UH, WANT TO CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR BOARD MEMBER TOBAR WALLACE UP IN PRAYER. HE'S JUST STILL RECOVERING FROM SOME SURGERY HE HAD LAST WEEK. UM, HE SAYS HE'S, HE'S GETTING BETTER, BUT HE'S, HE'S NOT WALKING YET, BUT, UH, HE'S DOING OKAY. THE SURGERY WENT WELL. MISSION STATEMENT GUIDELINES, THE NEW BERN REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. LEADING THE WAY FOR COMMUNITY TRANSFORMATION AND IMPROVEMENT BY DIRECTLY ADDRESSING COMMUNITY NEEDS IN A VITAL AREAS OF PUBLIC HEALTH, INFRASTRUCTURE, HOUSING, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THE COMMISSION IS COMMITTED TO AN ACCOUNTABLE, TRANSPARENT, AND PUBLICITY DRIVEN PROCESS. WE'LL START WITH YOU. PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE, EQUAL TIME, RESPECT TO OTHERS' OPINIONS. LISTEN TO, LISTEN TO BILL CONSENSUS, SHARE ACCURATE INFORMATION, PUBLIC PERCEPTION. STAY FOCUSED. BE ACTION ORIENTED. BELIEVE. THANK YOU. ITEM FOUR. [4. Consider Approving the Agenda. ] UH, CONSIDER APPROVING THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. IF THERE'S, UH, ANYTHING THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED. UM, WE ASK FOR A MOTION SUBJECT EXCEPT FOR ONE ITEM. ITEM SEVEN IS BEING PULLED. OKAY. ITEM SEVEN IS BEING PULLED. OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REMAINING AGENDA? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND, YES. MOVED PROBABLY SECOND TO, UH, GO FORTH WITH THE AGENDA THAT'S PROPOSED, EXCLUDING THE ITEM SEVEN CHAIR, CHAIR OF THAT INTER INTERSECT. UM, UNDER NEW BUSINESS, UNDER THE WORK GROUPS, UH, WE WERE ASKED TO, UM, ALSO, UH, PULL THE, UM, THE HOUSING SECTION, UH, DUE TO THE, UH, CHAIR AND, OKAY. ALSO, THE OTHER PERSON IS NOT, WILL NOT BE PRESENT FOR THAT. OKAY. SO ACTUALLY, UM, HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD, THOSE TWO ITEMS BE PULLED FOR TONIGHT. ALSO. NEIGHBORHOOD? YES. NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. SO, MR. STRICKLAND, IS THAT YOUR MOTION? YES, IT IS. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. NEW BUSINESS, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? I THINK WE HAVE FIRST MINUTES. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I NEED [5. Consider Approval of Minutes] TO APPROVE MY MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. , UM, CONSIDER APPROVING MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 11TH, 2026. HOPEFULLY EVERYONE HAD THE CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE OR ANY CORRECTIONS. IF NOT, ANYONE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 11TH TO MOVE? SECOND. SECOND, IS IT MOVE TO PROBABLY SECOND THAT WE, UH, CONSIDER APPROVING THE MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 11TH, 2026? ANY QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A. ALL OPPOSED, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ITEM [6. Public Comment ] SIX, PUBLIC COMMENT. YES, MS. ADAMS? OKAY. UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS TIME. UM, I JUST HAVE TWO CONCERNS OR WHATEVER TO BRING ME FOR YOU TODAY. THE FIRST IS, LAST TIME YOU GUYS HAD DISCUSSED A, THE GENTLEMAN WHO WANTED TO PURCHASE 1213, PUTTING A PARKING LOT THERE, UM, AND AS A FUTURE RESIDENT OF 1214, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT PROPERTY THAT HE WISHED TO BUY WITH THE INTENT TO PUT A PARKING LOT. I JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY OPPOSE THAT. UM, FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, PEOPLE THAT ARE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY AT THE MOMENT HAVE A TENDENCY TO LOITER. THEY ALREADY HANG AROUND IN THAT PARKING LOT FROM TIME TO [00:05:01] TIME AS IT IS. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE A PARKING LOT IS GOING TO RATHER INCREASE THE TEMPTATION TO LOITER AROUND THERE. AND AS A FUTURE RESIDENT, I DO NOT. I'D RATHER NOT HAVE THAT. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO PUBLICLY OPPOSE THE PARKING LOT GOING THERE FOR THAT REASON. NUMBER TWO REASON FOR OPPOSING IS IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A MISFIT TO YOU ALL'S PURPOSE AND MISSION TO HAVE A PARKING LOT THERE. UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS BODY ADHERE MORE TO THE REASONS WHY YOU GUYS WERE PUT IN PLACE. UM, AND THAT GOES INTO MY SECOND CONCERN. YOU GUYS LAST WEEK ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UM, PUTTING TOGETHER SOME STIPULATIONS OR CREATING SOME STIPULATIONS TO GO ALONG WITH THESE, THE SALE OF THESE LOTS. UM, AND I JUST WANT TO, WELL, I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T GOING TO DEVIATE FROM YOUR ORIGINAL INTENTS, UM, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ON THE WEBSITE AND OTHER, OTHER PLACES. UM, SO I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE THIS BODY TO, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT STIPULATIONS IN PLACE, THAT THEY, UM, CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN YOUR PURPOSE. UH, AND I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD ALSO BE WILLING TO CONSIDER, UM, HAVING A BIDDER'S INTENTIONS FOR THE PROPERTY MAYBE COME BEFORE YOU BEFORE THEY PLACE A BID. UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN HAPPEN, BUT I JUST, I'M JUST, BUT NOW WHEN YOU SAY COME BEFORE US BEFORE THEY MAKE A BID. YES. MOST, MOST OF THE TIMES I THINK IN THE PAST, HELP ME IF, IF YOU CAN REMEMBER, IF SOMEONE COMES TO HERE AND WANTS TO PUT SOME, WANTS TO PUT, TO PUT A BID ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY, MOST TIME THEY'RE COMING TO US AND SHOW US THAT WHAT THEY WANT TO PUT ON THAT PROPERTY. SO WE GET TO SEE WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WANT TO PUT ON THERE. UH, AND THEN OF COURSE ONCE IT GETS TO THAT POINT, THEN ONCE THEY COME HERE, THEN THEY HAVE STATUTES AND EVERYTHING THAT'S RESPONSIBLE THAT GOES WITH THAT, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY PUT PUT, THEY, THEY SEE EVERYTHING AND WHAT'S REQUIRED BEFORE THEY SAY, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND BUY IT. SO YOU'RE SAYING THEY MEET WITH YOU GUYS BEFORE THEY GO TO THE CITY CLERK AND PLACE A BID? YES, BECAUSE THEY COME HERE AND SHOW US THE PLANS THAT LIKE THEY WANT TO DO AND WE AGREE THAT HEY, IT FITS WHAT WE GOT. AND THEN ONCE THEY DO THAT, THEY GO TO CITY CLERK, AM I CORRECT? UH, NO. THEY ACTUALLY COME AND PLACE A BID AND PUT A, PUT A BID DOWN FOR THE PROPERTY AND THEN IT COMES TO THE BOARD FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO SELL IT FOR WHATEVER PURPOSES THEY GIVE YOU ALL. AND ONCE, ONCE I, YEAH. ONCE YOU ALL AGREE UPON, UM, SELLING THAT PROPERTY, THEN THE PROCESS, THAT'S WHEN THE UPSET BID. OKAY. THAT'S WHEN IT YEAH, WE DO, WE WE DO GET TO SEE IT BEFORE THE UPSET BID STARTS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WE HAD, GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, IT WAS FEBRUARY 11TH, WE HAD THE KIND OF UPDATED PROTOCOLS FOR PURCHASING PROPERTY. I KNOW MARVIN, YOU'VE WORKED ON THIS, UM, OR YOUR OFFICE WORKED ON THAT. UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THE THINGS WERE GETTING CONFUSED WITH THE CLERK WHERE WE ALWAYS PUT THE RESTRICTIONS ON OUR PROPERTIES. AND I GUESS THERE WAS A COUPLE TIMES WHERE FOLKS DIDN'T KNOW THAT THROUGH THE CLERK. SO WE ACTUALLY HAD LOOKED AT NEW PROTOCOLS TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW OF THE RESTRICTIONS AND MAKE SURE THE PROCESS SORT OF GOES IN THAT ORDER. BUT IN ALL EVENTS WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE, LIKE BEFORE WE'LL SAY YES, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE PROPER PLANNING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY AND, AND WE SHARE SOME MORE INFORMATION WHEN WE GET TO WORK GROUPS, PROPERTY SALES FOR A MEETING WE HAD WITH OUR ATTORNEYS ALSO. SO YOU HAVE NOTHING. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR. UH, I'M JUST HERE KIND OF AS AN OBSERVER, BUT I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH SERGIO AT A AND S AND REALLY WOULD JUST LET, I WAS GONNA LET HIM KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME TONIGHT WAS OF POSSIBILITY OF BUYING HIS PROPERTY BACK ON 8 21 WESTLEY. COULD THAT, THAT'S ON THE NEW BUSINESS, WHICH WE COMING UP SHORTLY. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. LIKE I SAID, ITEM, NO ONE ELSE. OKAY. ITEM SEVEN WAS, WAS, UH, REMOVED AND NOW WENT DOWN TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, [8.a. Discuss 821 West Street purchase ] NEW BUSINESS 8 21 WEST STREET, . YES. BOARD WITH, UH, AND CHAIR WITH, WITH THIS, UH, WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION ON 8 21 WEST STREET AND BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE MISUNDERSTANDINGS WITH SOME OF THE PAPERWORK THAT WAS, UH, DELIVERED TO, UH, THE PARTICULAR, UH, PERSON, THE PURCHASER WE HAD, UM, IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE ATTORNEY AND ALSO, UH, REQUESTED BY THE BUYER, [00:10:01] UH, TO RESCIND HIS, UH, PURCHASE AND LET THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, UH, BUY BACK THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. UH, SINCE THIS PROCESS HAS OCCURRED, UH, THERE HAS BEEN SOME UPDATES TO SOME OF THE PAPERWORK SO THAT THIS IS AVOIDED IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT? UH, TYPICALLY, UM, UH, THE PROCESS IS NOT DONE LONG DISTANCE AND I THINK PART OF THE LONG DISTANCE, UH, PROCESSING AND EVERYTHING IS WHERE SOME OF THE, UH, PAPERWORK GOT LOST IN TRANSLATION. SO, UH, IT WAS JUST A, A, A MISCOMMUNICATION SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINES. AND, UH, THE EASIEST PROCESS ACCORDING TO THE ATTORNEY WAS TO JUST GO AHEAD AND BUY IT BACK AND PUT IT BACK ON THE CELL. UH, LOT. THE CELL WAS A LOT. OH, YOU NEEDED A MOTION FROM US TO PROCEED WITH THAT? YEAH. YES SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, THAT'S WASN'T SOMEBODY ELSE INVOLVED IN ONE THIS PROPERTY? WHAT'S THE WHOLE SCOOP OF THIS PROPERTY? IT, A CHURCH WANTS IT, RIGHT? YEAH. HE WANTS TO SELL IT AND THE CHURCH WANTED IT. MM-HMM . BUT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT'S ON IT, YOU KNOW, SO IF IT CAME BACK TO US AND THE CHURCH WANTED TO BUY IT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO STICK TO THE STIPULATIONS. NOW LET, LET RIGHT WITH STIPULATIONS. RIGHT. BUT IF YOU GIMME A MINUTE AND LET US TAKE CARE OF THIS, THEN IN OUR NEXT PART WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ON A MEETING THAT, UH, SARAH AND, UH, STRICKLAND MYSELF HAD WITH THE LAWYERS. AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CLARIFY SOME OF THIS AS WE FORWARD. I THOUGHT WE WAS ABOUT TO VOTE. HUH? I THOUGHT SOMEBODY WAS ABOUT TO MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE OR SOMETHING. I'M SORRY. RIGHT, RIGHT. TO, FOR US TO GIVE HIM, GIVE HIM HIS MONEY BACK, WE GET THE PROPERTY. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET TO THAT. OH, OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING BECAUSE WAS HE TRYING TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO THE CHURCH? YEAH. YES, SIR. WHAT HAPPENED WAS, UH, WHAT WHAT BROUGHT THIS TO LIGHT WAS THERE WAS ANOTHER, UH, INTERESTED PURCHASER FOR THE PROPERTY THAT WANTED TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND HE INDICATED THAT HE WOULD SELL IT TO THAT INDIVIDUAL MM-HMM . WHEN IT WAS EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT IF HE CHOSE TO DO THAT, THE STIPULATIONS OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF BUILDING ON A STRUCTURE ON THAT PROPERTY, UH, WITH THE SAME TIMEFRAMES WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT PURCHASE, WHICH IS NOT THE INTENT OF THE OTHER PURCHASES. SO, UH, BASICALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING IS IF HE WANTS TO SELL IT BACK, WE'LL JUST GET IT BACK AND THEN IT WOULD GO BACK ON THE SELLABLE PROPERTIES LIST. AND IF THE, A NEW BUYER WANTED TO COME FORWARD, THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT HE WAS GONE THROUGH, UM, TO, TO GET WHATEVER, UM, APPROVAL THAT YOU ALL ARE. RIGHT. HOW, HOW MUCH DID WE PAY FOR THE PROPERTY? WHAT WAS HIS PRICE? I BELIEVE 6,000 THERE. 6,000 A YEAR. SIX 6,375 AND NO. $100. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER DOVE GOT NO ONE. YEAH, I'M THINKING. OKAY. YOU'RE THINKING. OKAY. BUT THAT WAS THE DESIRE OF THE, WHAT'S HIS NAME? MR. REOS. THAT'S HIS DESIRES TO SELL BACK TO US. NOT TO THE CHURCH? CORRECT. OKAY. BECAUSE THE WAY IT IS, THE CHURCH DON'T WANT TO BUY IT AND BE FORCED TO PUT A HOUSE ON IT SO THE CHURCH NO LONGER WANTS 'CAUSE OF THE STIPULATIONS OF IT REDEVELOP. THAT'S RIGHT. NOW. BUT ONCE WE TAKE CARE OF THIS OUT, APPRECIATE SOME OTHER INFORMATION. OKAY. YEAH. SO, MR. CHAIR? YES. UM, MR. WILLIAMS, JUST TO CONFIRM, THIS IS BASICALLY THE SAME SCENARIO THAT WE WALKED INTO AT THE, UH, RETREAT WHERE THERE WAS A, A MISUNDERSTANDING OF SORTS OF WHAT THE RULES OF THE TRANSACTION WERE AND THE STIPULATIONS ATTACHED TO IT. THE, UH, OUTCOME'S THE SAME, BUT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. THE OTHER PROPERTY WAS, UH, WAS PURCHASED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT THE INTENDED BUYER WAS GONNA PLACE ON THE PROPERTY. AND, AND BECAUSE OF THE SETBACKS, THERE WAS A, IT WAS AN ISSUE WITH THAT. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY WE PURCHASED THAT BACK BECAUSE HE COULDN'T UTILIZE IT AS HE HAD PURCHASED IT FOR. OKAY. SO, BUT AT ITS CORE IT'S A MISUNDERSTANDING OF SORTS THAT WASN'T CLARIFIED. UM, IT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING ON SOMEONE'S PART, BUT IT WAS, IT, UH, I DON'T IT IT COULD HAVE GONE EITHER WAY, BUT IN, IN THE SENSE OF, UH, WHO WAS RIGHT AND WHO WAS WRONG. I MEAN, SOMETIMES IT, IT'S JUST BASICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE FACTS AND WHA 'EM, YOU GOT A FIGURE, UH, OUR PURPOSES TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, THEN IT'S BASICALLY NOT DUE TO, UH, ANYONE'S PARTICULAR, [00:15:01] UM, INTENT TO DECEIVE SOMEONE. MM-HMM . IT, IT WAS JUST, UH, BOTH OF THOSE SITUATIONS SEEMED TO BE BETTER, BETTER FIT FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD AND, AND SELL THE LOTS, UH, TO ANOTHER BUYER. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. HAVE A MOTION TO PROCEED WITH THE, UH, PURCHASE BACK OF, UH, EIGHT 20 ON WEST STREET. AND MR. CHAIR, IF SOMEONE IS INCLINED TO MAKE A MOTION, THAT MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE WHAT THE PURCHASE PRICE IS. OKAY. AND THE, THE COMMISSION SOLD THE PROPERTY ACCORDING TO THE OFFER TO PURCHASE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY EXECUTED FOR 63 75. OKAY. 6 3 5 63 75. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION TO BE MADE FOR THIS, SIR? NOBODY WANTS TO, BUT IF THERE'S A MOTION, THEN IT DIES. SO WHERE DO WE, YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE THERE ATTORNEY NO ONE WANTS TO MAKE, MAKE A MOTION. IF NO ONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER WHAT YOU, WHAT THE STATUS OF THE PROPERTY IS. SO IF THIS GENTLEMAN CHOOSES NOT TO BUILD ANYTHING ON THIS LOT AND HE CAN'T SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO BUILD IT AND IT SITS DEAD, IS THAT SOMETHING, IS THAT AN OUTCOME THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH? YOU MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT A PLAN MAY BE FOR THIS PARCEL SINCE IT FALLS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW. MM-HMM. YEAH. BUT THERE IS CAN I ASK I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. I WAS SAY, BUT THERE ARE STIPULATIONS IN THE AGREEMENT THAT ALSO SAY IT REVERTS BACK TO US AT A CERTAIN POINT IF ACTION DID NOT MOVE FORWARD THOUGH. CORRECT. UM, LOOKING AT THE DEED NOW AND YES, IF CONSTRUCTION IS NOT COMMENCED WITHIN 24 MONTHS, THERE IS A REVERSION BACK TO THE COMMISSION UNLESS THERE'S A FURTHER AGREEMENT BETWEEN YOU AND WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY. SO YOU GOT TWO YEAR, GOT TWO YEARS TO DO SOMETHING. CORRECT. BUT THAT DEED, THAT DEED, UM, AFTER THE CONTRACT NOTE, UM, DID NOT HAVE A BLOCK CHECK WITH CONDITIONS. CORRECT. WASN'T THAT THE MAIN PROBLEM WITH THE CONTRACT? I'M LOOKING AT IT NOW. OH, THAT'S THE LOOPHOLE, SO TO SPEAK. AND, AND IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO ME THAT THERE IS AN EXPRESS WARRANTY OR PROVISION IN THE CONTRACT THAT TALKS ABOUT THE CONDITIONS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT HAS BEEN REMEDIED WITH THE, THE REVISIONS TO THE PAPERWORK. AND THE DEED WASN'T KNOWN TO THE BUYER UNTIL AFTER IT WAS CREATED AFTER THE PURCHASE. I CAN'T SAY WHAT THE PURCHASER KNEW OR DID NOT KNOW AS IT RELATES TO THE DEED. AND I I DON'T REMEMBER THE DETAILS OF THIS PARTICULAR TRANSACTION. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN THIS BODY'S CUSTOM TO HAVE PEOPLE MAKE PRESENTATIONS, UM, IN ASSOCIATION WITH MAKING OFFERS TO THE, TO PURCHASE. I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, CERTIFY IN THIS MOMENT WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE HISTORY WHETHER THIS GENTLEMAN MADE SUCH A PRESENTATION SUCH THAT HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN AWARE. I CAN'T, AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M PERPLEXED AT THE TIME. 'CAUSE IF ON BEHALF OF US THERE WAS AN ERROR MADE OR OVERSIGHT AND IT SAYS NO STIPULATIONS, NO CONDITIONS AND HE WASN'T AWARE OF THE CONDITIONS UNTIL AFTER DEE, WHICH IS WHAT I KIND OF UNDERSTOOD AFTER DEE WAS MADE, IF THAT WAS ME, I WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH MY PROPERTY BECAUSE OF HOW IT WAS SOLD TO ME. NOT THE END OF THE DAY. IF THE DEED SAYS THAT IT REVERTS BACK TO THE BOARD IN TWO YEARS OF NOTHING, IF CONSTRUCTION HASN'T BEGAN, BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT UNTIL AFTER THE FACT, THAT'S NOT HIS FAULT. BUT NOW YOU HAVE A SITUATION, IF HE SELLS IT, THEN THE NEXT PERSON HAS TO FOLLOW THE STIPULATIONS. BUT IF HIS CONTRACT SAYS NO CONDITIONS, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK I'M JUST ONE VOICE. BUT I WOULD THINK THAT FOR SOME REASON THIS PARTICULAR LAND, WE CHOP IT UP AS A LOSS, THROW IT ASIDE AND LET THEM LET IT BE, LET 'EM DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO MOVING FORWARD. WE HAVE EVERYTHING IRONCLAD AND WE STICK TO THE PROTOCOLS OF THIS COMMISSION. AND MR. DOVE, YOU RAISED SOME VERY GOOD POINTS. ONE THING THAT I WOULD ADD, JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S EDIFICATION, IS A GRAND TOUR HAS THE ABILITY TO RE RELEASE CONDITIONS. SO IF THE PROPERTY WERE TO COME BACK TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, EITHER BY ACQUIRING IT OR BY USING YOUR POWER AS A REVERSION, YOU COULD IN THEORY RELEASE THOSE COVENANTS FROM THE PLAN. MM-HMM . AND THAT'S JUST AN IDEA OF ALL THE PROPERTIES WE OWN. [00:20:01] SO LEMME JUST SHARE THIS WITH YOU 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A MOTION TABLE. NOTHING HAPPENED, BUT LET ME SEE. LAST WEEK MM-HMM . THE THREE OF US MET WITH, WITH BOTH THE LAWYERS FOR THE CITY. WE IN A PROCESS AND HELPED ME OUT HERE TO, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENTS OF BUYING PROPERTIES. AND IN THE DISCUSSION WE REALIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT MAY NOT BE CONDUCIVE TO A HOUSE OR MAY BE SO SMALL THAT IT GOES TO SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY IT COULD BE ATTACHED TO. AND SO NOW WE ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH AND HELP ME, WE'RE TRYING TO TRY TO WRITE UP SOMETHING NEW TO GO IN IT BECAUSE WE ARE COMING UP WITH SOME ISSUES NOW THAT WE NEVER FACED BEFORE. SO NOW WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADAPT OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS AND STATUTES, EVERYTHING TO WHERE THIS BOARD CAN SAY, OKAY, PROPERTY A, IT'S NOT GONNA DO FOR A HOUSE, SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT UNDER THIS RESTRICTION. YOU CAN ADD TO YOUR PROPERTY. YOU CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW. YES, SIR. SO, TO, TO EXPOUND ON THAT POINT JUST A BIT, YOU'RE AT A PLACE NOW IN THE COMMISSION WHERE YOU'VE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND THE LANDSCAPE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA HAS CHANGED SINCE YOU FIRST WERE CONSTITUTED. CORRECT. SO AT THIS MOMENT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR OFFICE IS DOING AND FORECASTED TO THE CHAIR WAS WORKING WITH STAFF TO EVALUATE THE CURRENT VACANT LAND IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA THAT YOU OWN. AND THOSE LOTS THAT ARE OWNED BY OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY OR THE COUNTY. AND ASSESSING THOSE LOTS IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. MM-HMM . ONE ARE, ONE CATEGORY IS LOTS THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHT OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE OR SUCH THAT THEY CAN BE ELEVATED AT SOMETHING THAT LOOKS REASONABLE AND LOTS WITH DIMENSIONS AND SIZES THAT ARE CONDUCIVE TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THAT'S SINGLE FAMILY OR SOME TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THE NEXT BUCKET IS AT THE OPPOSITE END OF THE EXTREMES, WHERE YOU HAVE LOTS THAT ARE EITHER VERY SMALL OR IN THE FLOODPLAIN OR JUST NOT OTHERWISE CONDUCIVE TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN YOU HAVE LOTS THAT ARE IN BETWEEN THAT CAN GO KIND OF EITHER WAY. MAYBE THEY'RE CONDUCIVE IF THEY'RE PUT TOGETHER WITH OTHER LOTS, BUT STANDING ALONE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO SCRATCH OUR HEAD AND THINK ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE BEST FOR THAT IN-BETWEEN BUCKET. SO AS WE'RE CONDUCTING THAT ANALYSIS, THERE MAY BE LOTS THAT WE KNOW FOR SURE NEED TO BE DE DEVELOPED WITH RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION. RIGHT. AND WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CREATE A POLICY WHERE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN BIDDING ON THESE LOTS, YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA COME WITH THIS SET OF RESTRICTIONS. IF YOU'RE GONNA BID ON A LOT THAT IS IN THAT SECOND BUCKET THAT I DESCRIBED WHERE WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT SUITABLE FOR, FOR DEVELOPMENT, WE MAY SAY, NO JUNK CARS, YOU GOTTA MOW IT. THOSE TYPES OF NUISANCE ABATEMENT RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SIGNING UP FOR. AND THEN THE ONES IN THE MIDDLE, IF WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT A HOUSE CAN GO THERE, YOU MAY SAY, WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE PRESUMPTION THAT WE WANT SOMEBODY TO BUILD HOUSING, BUT YOU CAN COME TO US AND, AND PITCH US SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT EXERCISE AND THAT PROCESS IS ONGOING, IT MAY BE THAT IF YOU BUY BACK THIS LOT, THAT THAT LOT WOULD THEN BECOME A PART OF THIS ANALYSIS. ALRIGHT. WHICH ONE OF THE THREE BUCKETS SHOULD THIS LOT FALL IN? SHOULD IT BE A RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION LOT CONSIDERING WHERE WE ARE TODAY? RIGHT. SHOULD IT BE A, NOT, NOT BUILDABLE, JUST MOW IT AND KEEP IT CLEAN LOT? OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD THINK MORE CRITICALLY ABOUT, BUT START WITH THE PRESUMPTION OF HOUSING. ALRIGHT. AND, AND WITH THAT, THAT LOT, LIKE I SAID, RIGHT NOW IT IS UNDER, PUT A HOUSE ON IT AND, AND LIKE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, YOU KNOW, IF IF WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY BACK THEN ONCE IT FALLS UNDER THERE, IT'S STILL PART OF REDEVELOPMENT. IF THE CHURCH WANTED TO BUY AND THEN IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTY. JUST A THOUGHT. JUST A THOUGHT. BECAUSE THE OTHER THING WE GOTTA REMEMBER TOO, AND I THING CAME UP IN OUR CONVERSATION WAS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE PUSHING TO TRY TO REDEVELOP PROPERTIES AND WE'RE PUSHING TO DO, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING MM-HMM . BUT THE BIG PICTURE IS WE WANT PEOPLE TO JUST WANT PEOPLE TO, WHOEVER WANTS TO, TO BUILD A HOUSE AND TO REDEVELOP A AREA. SO WE, WE, WE CAN'T JUST SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S JUST ANYONE THAT WANTS TO BUILD A NICE HOUSE IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANNA BUILD. SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T JUST WANNA SAY AFFORDABLE BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SAY, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF WE PROMOTED LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH YOUR PROGRAM, WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR COMMITTEE, UH, PUSH THAT AND EVERYONE SEE THAT, SAY, MAN, YOU KNOW, I WANNA BUY A PIECE. I WANNA BUILD A HOUSE FOR MYSELF. RIGHT. AND [00:25:01] NOT RENT IT. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. SO, AND SO WE'RE BACK TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SO IF WE ARE BACK TO 8 21 WEST STREET, AFTER ALL THE INFORMATION, DO YOU HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART OR CHANGE OF MIND OR, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? CHARITY, YOU DON'T MIND COULD, THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE GENTLEMAN TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER. UH, DID, DID, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK OR ARE YOU JUST HERE TO GET THE RESULTS? , I'M HERE TO GET THE RESULTS, BUT IF I CAN SPEAK SIR, YOU CAN COME TO THE MICROPHONE. YEAH. COULDN'T MIND. SO MY NAME'S STEVE TOO. I SHOULD HAVE SAID IN THE BEGINNING, I AM, I'M A REALTOR WITH COLDWELL BANKER. OKAY. SEACOAST ADVANTAGE IN TOWN. I'M NOT REPRESENTING, UH, MR. ARENAS. HE CALLED, UH, TOLD HIM I'D LOOK INTO IT. I TOLD HIM THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT I COULD DO. I HAD A CONVERSATION, UH, CALLED, HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A FEW DIFFERENT PEOPLE. UH, I DO THINK, UH, MR. DOS IS ACCURATE. SOME OF THE CHURCHES HAD REACHED, REACHED OUT AND EXPRESSED INTEREST IN SELLING IT. MM-HMM . OF COURSE, MR. ESS WOULD BE WILLING, YOU'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT, BUT I BELIEVE YOU CANNOT DO THAT UNDER THE STIPULATIONS OF THE CONTRACT. RIGHT. RIGHT NOW. SO, YEAH. SO HIS BEST, BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR HIM IS IF YOU GUYS, IF THE COMMISSION, UH, BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY BACK OF COURSE. UH, BUT I UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT HE TOLD ME, HE WASN'T REALLY AWARE AND THE TIMEFRAMES HE GAVE ME AND THEN THE TIMEFRAMES AND THE COVENANTS WERE DIFFERENT. SO HE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE, FROM MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM, A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, OF THOSE TIMEFRAMES AND THOSE, THOSE, THOSE RESTRICTIONS. UH, HE SIGNED, I THINK THE ORIGINAL PURCHASE, THE CONTRACT IN APRIL MM-HMM . AND THEN I SAW, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF WAS SIGNED IN SEPTEMBER. SO I, I, I DON'T KNOW. AND I'M, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY OR ANYTHING AND I TOLD HIM THAT MIGHT BE THE ROUTE HE, HE NEEDS TO GO. UH, BUT AFTER HAVING THE CONVERSATION WITH FOLKS HERE, I THOUGHT MAYBE AN OUTCOME WOULD, A MORE AMICABLE OUTCOME WOULD FOR HIM WOULD, UH, WOULD BE THE OUTCOME TONIGHT. SO. OKAY. BUT I THINK FROM WHAT I HEARD, UH, MR. DOVE, I WHAT YOU SAID IS KIND OF WHAT I GATHERED FROM HIM AND FROM TALKING TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT CALLED FROM THE CHURCHES ABOUT EXPRESSING AN INTEREST IN IT. YEAH. SO, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CHURCHES WERE PLAYING ON DOING WITH IT AND THEN, UH, WHAT KIND OF STRUCTURE OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I DIDN'T KNOW. THE FACT THAT THE CHURCH AND THERE'S MY YEAH. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CHURCH WANTED TO IMPROVE THEIR PARKING LOT. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I KNOW . OKAY. ALRIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME SPEAK. YEAH, THANK YOU. OKAY. AND, AND MR. CHAIR, JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THIS, UH, THE ORIGINAL BAR INDICATED THAT HE WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF THE RESTRICTIONS, UH, BASED ON, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. HE WAS, ACCORDING TO WHAT HE SAID, HE WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITY SALE LOTS FOR. AND HE POINTED TO ITEM NUMBER 12 ON THE OFFER OF THE PURCHASE, WHICH READS OTHER PROVISIONS AND CONDITIONS. IT SAYS ITEMIZED ALL ADDENDUM TO THIS CONTRACT AND ATTACHED HERE, HERE TO, AND THAT'S UNDER THE CONDITIONS PART IT SAYS NONE. SO THAT'S WHAT HE WAS INDICATING THAT HE DID NOT REALIZE. AND THE OFFER, THE PURCHASE THAT HE WAS ORIGINALLY, UH, SIGNED ON INDICATED THAT THERE WERE NO RESTRICTIONS. OKAY. DID HE SIGN A, SO THE CONTRACT IN HERE ALSO DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE IT. UM, AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE HE DOESN'T SIGN THE QUICK CLAIM DEED. DID HE SIGN A DOCUMENT AGREEING TO IT AT ALL? HE, HE DID NOT SIGN ANYTHING ABOUT THE RESTRICTIONS? NO, HE DID NOT. AND I DON'T THINK HE WAS PRESENT AT THE MEETING WHEN HIS HOUSE PLAN WAS PRESENTED SUCH THAT HE HEARD HIMSELF, I THINK HIS AGENT PRESENTED ON HIS BEHALF. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THOSE RESTRICTIONS WERE MENTIONED AT THAT MEETING, HE JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN TO BE THERE. Y YES, SIR. SO THE COMMISSION'S CUSTOM AT THAT TIME WHEN THEY INITIATED THE UPSET BID PROCESS WAS TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION THAT ACTUALLY SET OUT WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE. MM-HMM . UM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN ALSO HAS TO APPROVE THE TRANSACTION AND THAT RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED BY THIS BOARD AND THEN ALSO GOES TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN. SO THERE WERE DOCUMENTS THAT EXIST IN THE PUBLIC ABOUT THOSE RESTRICTIONS. HOWEVER, 'CAUSE HE WAS AT A DISTANCE, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL FOR THIS BODY. HE WAS NOT PRESENT TO HEAR THEM IN REAL TIME OR TO SEE THAT DOCUMENT IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE AS IT GOES ONTO THE SCREEN, WHICH IS CUSTOMARY DURING SUCH PRESENTATIONS. OKAY. AND THE ONLY REASON I HAVE ALL THESE QUESTIONS IS BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I DON'T SIT HERE SO THAT MY WILL BE DONE. WE ALL SIT HERE SO THAT THE WILL OF THE COMMUNITY BE DONE. AND JUST LIKE SOMEONE SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT STICKING TO THE GUIDELINES OF THIS BOARD, BUT, BUT YET IF, IF AN ERROR AND NOT AN I SAID ERROR WAS MADE, WHICH [00:30:01] MISTAKES I MADE, WE ALL MAKE 'EM. UM, I JUST FEEL THIS PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT THAN THE BULK LOAD OF PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE OF THE ERROR. YOU KNOW, THIS SEEMS LIKE THIS PROPERTY, PARTICULAR PROPERTY WOULD BE DIFFERENT AND THAT I WOULD LIKE MORE DISCUSSION MYSELF. I DON'T WANNA PROLONG IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO FOR, I DON'T WANT TO VOTE ON SOMETHING WHEN I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO, ALRIGHT. SO HERE, HERE'S, HERE'S, HERE'S, LEMME JUST LEMME THROW THIS OUT HERE. SO I HAVE A MEMO FROM ZEV THAT SAYS HE SPOKE TO HIM AND IT, SO THIS IS AT THE MEETING, IT WAS PRESENTED LAST MAY, UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES WITHIN A FLOODPLAIN AT THE TIME, MR. ARENAS DOES NOT HAVE FLOOR PLANS TO SUBMIT TO THE COMMISSION. HOWEVER, HE HAS AFFIRMED HIS WILLINGNESS TO ADHERE TO ALL DEED RESTRICTIONS AND DEVELOPMENT COVENANTS, INCLUDING THOSE THAT WOULD REQUIRE HIM TO UTILIZE THE PARTIAL EXCLUSIVELY FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 12 MONTHS RESTRICTION OF JUNK VEHICLES AND RESTRIC RESTRICTION ON MULTIPLE OUTBUILDINGS. SO THAT'S ZBS LIKE TYPING OUT HIS NOTES FROM A CONVERSATION MM-HMM . UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE POTENTIAL BUYER AND THAT, SO THAT'S THE MEETING WE, UM, I ASSUME SAID, OKAY, WE'LL UPSET THE INITIATE BID, WE'LL INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESS BASED ON THIS. WELL THAT CAN, THAT CAN'T ANSWER NOW. AND NOW MY AND MY OTHER, MY OTHER QUESTION IS IF, IF SOMEONE'S GONNA BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND GONNA PUT A HOUSE ON IT MM-HMM . THE STIPULATION PUT ON IT, I MEAN, IS IS HE BACK, IS HE BACKING OUT BECAUSE HE CAN'T DO IT IN TWO YEARS? OR ARE THE RESTRICTIONS TOO HEAVY FOR HIM BUT HE HAD PLANNED TO BUILD A HOUSE ON IT? YOU JUST, I DON'T THINK HE WOULD JUST BUY A 50 BY A HUNDRED LOT JUST BUY IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT MAKES SENSE. I MEAN YEAH, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT HE WAS HITTING THE MARK AND HE DIDN'T MAKE THE MARK, SO THAT'S WHY HE WANTED TO SELL IT BACK. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. 'CAUSE WE CAN GIVE HIM SOME LENIENCY AND TIME IF THAT'S I DON'T, BUT WHAT WAS HIS REASON? HE, HE, HE DID INDICATE THAT HE WAS NOT AWARE OF THE TIME RESTRICTIONS. BUT, UM, THAT, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT HE INDICATED TO ME THAT HE DIDN'T REALIZE. 'CAUSE BECAUSE OF HE'S, HE IS TRANSITIONING TO THE AREA AND HE INDICATED THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME CON CONCERNS THAT HE HAD HAD TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE TIME RESTRICTIONS. AND, AND I, I, AT THAT TIME, I ALSO INDICATED TO HIM THAT THAT WOULD BE ALSO SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULD BE ABLE TO CONSIDER FOR THE EXTENSIONS. OKAY. AND, AND I, TIME RESTRICTIONS I CAN SEE WAITING FOR A FILE JUST TO SEE IF HE STILL WANT TO PROCEED WITH IT. UM, BUT I'M STILL, YOU KNOW, I'M STILL LEANING TOWARDS PER SE JUST TO GET THE PROPERTY BACK AND JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMEONE ELSE THAT MIGHT WANT TO DEVELOP. AND LIKE I SAID, ALL DEVELOPMENT IN THE REDEVELOPMENT COULD AREA IS JUST NOT ABOUT HOUSES. MM-HMM . IT'S ABOUT IMPROVING AREAS, YOU KNOW, GETTING IT CLEAN, IMPROVING THE PARKING LOT FOR A CHURCH. UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. I AGREE. YEAH. YEAH. ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE? SOMEONE ELSE? HOW DON'T YOU HAVE HIM TO COME BACK? HUH? DON'T YOU HAVE HIM TO COME BACK THAT YOU KNOW, HIS SPECIFIC INTENT AND THEN MOVE FORWARD? UM, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE IT, WE CAN TABLE IT FOR WHATEVER, HOW MANY MONTHS YOU WANT TO DO IT NEXT MEETING. LET HIM COME BACK AND KNOW HIS SPECIFIC INTENT AND THEN YOU CAN OPEN IT UP AND MOVE FROM THERE. OKAY. YOU CERTAINLY CAN CAN DO THAT. YOU CAN TABLE IT AND YOU CAN REQUEST FOR HIM TO COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN. YES. WE CAN'T REQUIRE HIM AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE A HARDSHIP SINCE HE'S AT A DISTANCE TO BE HERE FOR THE NEXT MEETING. LET'S, LET'S GIVE HIM TWO, TWO MEETINGS. REGGIE. TWO, TWO MONTHS, WHATEVER. LET'S, LET'S, LET'S DO TWO MONTHS. I BELIEVE HE LIVES IN MIAMI. YEAH. THAT, THAT GIVES HIM, THAT GIVES HIM TWO MONTHS TO GET IT, GET IN CONTACT WITH HIM AND, AND SEE IF HE CAN BE HERE. OKAY. THE BOARD AGREE WITH THAT? I THINK WE OKAY, SIR. SO YOU NEED TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. HUH? WE NEED A MOTION. OKAY. WE NEED A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS, UH, FOR, FOR OUR SECOND MEETING. SECOND FIRST MEETING IN APRIL, MAY. SO YOUR MAY REGULAR MEETING. MAY REGULAR MEETING. I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS ISSUE FOR TWO MEETINGS. I SECOND THAT MOTION, MOTION BEEN MADE THAT WE TABLE THIS, THIS ITEM FOR OUR MEETING IN MAY. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED A THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. AND [00:35:01] LIKE I SAID, WE, WE'VE PROBABLY COVERED IN, IN THE CITY ATTORNEY COVERED THE ITEMS THAT, THAT WILL COME UP HERE WHERE WE LOOKING AT SOME CHANGES MM-HMM . BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT. SOME THINGS WON'T WORK SOME THINGS. YEAH. AND SO, SO WE GOT, WE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADJUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE, THE PEOPLE THAT WANNA BUY IT, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THEM, BUT WE STILL GOTTA HAVE SOME RESTRICTIONS. JUST CAN'T GO BY IT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, GO OFF THE PANEL. OKAY. UH, MR. DOVE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO YOURS? UH, I KNOW YOU DID A BEAUTIFUL PRESENTATION AND, AND ALL OF US US HAVE THAT AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, LIKE WE SAID BEFORE, THE MARKETING PIECE AND ANYTHING ELSE, ANY OTHER COMMITTEES, WE PUT IT ALL THAT AS THE PACKET. SO WHEN WE GET THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND THE, I'M WAITING ON OKAY. ALRIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, CAN I [8.b. Workgroup Reports] JUST ASK A QUESTION ON WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN? UH, IT HAD TO DO WITH OUR GROUP. YEAH. OKAY. BUT, UM, SO THOSE PURCHASING CONDITIONS THAT WE SAW IN FEBRUARY, I DON'T THINK WE OFFICIALLY LIKE ADOPTED THEM OR ANYTHING. SO ARE THEY, IS THAT STILL ON THE TABLE? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HELP CLEAN THE STUFF UP GOING FORWARD YES. AND MAKE OUR PROCESS BETTER. YES. SO WHERE ARE WE WITH THOSE? WE ARE, OUR OFFICE IS IN THE FINAL PHASES OF, UM, FINALIZING A DOCUMENT THAT WE THINK WILL ADDRESS THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROPERTIES THAT YOU MIGHT SEE. YEAH. WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH SIG STAFF TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A VISUAL FOR YOU ALL SO YOU CAN SEE THE INVENTORY THAT YOU HAVE THAT MIGHT BE BUILDABLE MM-HMM . SO THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE LOTS, COMPARE 'EM TO THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE PROPOSE, AND THEN IF YOU WANNA MAKE ANY TWEAKS, YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU MIGHT NEED IN ORDER TO DO SO. OKAY. OKAY. AND I'M ACTUALLY, SORRY I WASN'T CLEAR. I'M ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT OUR, LIKE IT'S PUBLIC ON THE WEBSITE, OUR LIKE CONDITION, LIKE THE PROCESS FOR PURCHASING PROPERTY WHERE THAT'S WHERE WE GOT MESSED UP THAT PEOPLE CAN PUT IN AN OFFER AND SAY NONE AND SAY NO CONDITIONS, BUT THAT THE CLERK REALLY SHOULDN'T ACCEPT IT THAT WAY. THOSE PROCEDURES. YES. I I THINK THAT WAS THE 11TH, BUT I SO YOU ALL LOOKING AT IT ALSO, RIGHT? YEP. SO I KNOW MARVIN HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT AND WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING ALL OF THAT KIND OF BUTTONED UP SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS VERY CLEARLY WHAT THE PROCESS IS AND NO MATTER WHAT LOT THEY CHOOSE, THEY KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE GONNA BE. OKAY. OKAY. SO THOSE ARE STILL FLOATING OUT THERE AS WELL FOR US TO LIKE YEP. THAT SHOULD BE COMING TO YOU, BUT AT YOUR NEXT REGULAR. NEXT. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. LEMME TELL YOU SOMETHING. THIS, OH, THERE IT, YEAH. THIS IS, UH, LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF THINGS ARE HAPPENING NOW THAT WE NEVER HAD TO DEAL WITH MM-HMM . AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TIME WHERE YOU JUST STOP, REEVALUATE, ADJUST SOME THINGS AND COME TO SOME OTHER WAY TO, TO APPROACH. SO I'M JUST GLAD WE GOT CITY'S ATTORNEY JUST WORKING ON IT FOR US. AND, AND COMMISSIONER PROCTOR, THE UH, OFFER TO PURCHASE, UH, PAPERWORK HAS BEEN ALTERED AND CHANGED FOR THE, UH, CITY CLERK. SO SHE HAS NEW FORMS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE THREE OR FOUR, THREE OR FOUR PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY PENDING, WHICH ARE GOING THROUGH THE UPSET BID RIGHT NOW, THEY CAME BACK IN AND SIGNED A NEW, UH, CONTRACTS INDICATING THAT THOSE CONDITIONS WERE PRESENT. OKAY. GOOD. OKAY. GOOD DEAL. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. STAFF REPORT. UH, COULD WE GO BACK JUST A MOMENT TO MARKINGS? UH OH GOOD. I BELIEVE AT ONE MEETING YOU ALL INDICATED WE HAD A SHORT DISCUSSION ON SIGNAGE. YEAH. 'CAUSE ON THE CITY OWNED PROPERTIES THERE ARE, THAT'S MR. DOUG MARK SIGN. MARK SIGNAGE. OKAY. GO. OH, YEAH. OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. NO, I JUST [9. Staff Report] WANTED TO, I I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE, THE CDBG FUNDS AND I WAS ASKING BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW, AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO TO TRY TO UTILIZE ON SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES TO HELP OUR COMMITTEE MOVE THINGS FORWARD AS FAR AS, UM, DEVELOPMENT, BASICALLY, I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD THE ABILITY TO ACCESS THOSE FUNDS AND THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION WAS AND I WANTED US TO DISCUSS IT AND GET INTO A, A RESOLUTION ON THAT. AND AGAIN, THE, UH, THE AGENDA PACKAGE WAS SENT OUT TODAY. RIGHT. SO I KNOW YOU ALL PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE HANDOUT THAT WAS IN THERE FOR THE, UH, ELIGIBLE AND INELIGIBLE Y ACTIVITIES FOR THE HUD OR THE CDBG FUNDS. AND THOSE ARE THE, UM, ACTIVITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. UH, BUT THERE IS A SEVERAL LOAN PROCESSES USUALLY TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS. BUT, UH, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU ALL WERE SO INCLINED TO DO SO TO REVIEW THOSE AND IF ANYTHING IN THERE, UH, IS BROUGHT UP THAT, THAT YOU, THAT YOU ALL WANT TO PURSUE WITH THAT, UH, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY [00:40:01] STAFF, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY, UH, PURSUE FOR THOSE, UH, PARTICULAR ITEMS THAT IF YOU, IF YOU ALL ARE SO INCLINED TO PROCEED AND TO GIVE A DIRECTION TO PROCEED WITH ANY OF THOSE. OKAY. SO, UM, MARVIN IS THERE, AND I DID NOT HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT THESE, BUT JUST, UM, REVIEWING 'EM, THEY SEEM GREAT. YOU CAN ACQUIRE PROPERTY, BUT WE HAD A, YOU KNOW, THE HORRIFIC EXPERIENCE OF TAKING ALMOST TWO YEARS TO BE ABLE TO GET, UM, SELL NINE 11 EUBANKS BECAUSE WHEN YOU USE CDBG FUNDS, THEY COME, SO, SO THERE'S LIKE THREE PAGE OF ACTIVITIES YOU CAN DO. MM-HMM . THERE'S 73,000 PAGES OF STIPULATIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY IN ORDER TO SELL THAT PROPERTY. SO WE ACTUALLY HAD TO PUT A 20 YEAR LIEN ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT CDBG GAVE US FOR IT MM-HMM . AND WHAT THE PERSON PAID FOR IT. UM, BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT COSTS MORE TO BUILD HOUSES AND IN ANYWHERE THAN, THAN YOU CAN NECESSARILY GET FROM THEM. SO WE ENDED UP TAKING A PURCHASE OFFER THAT WAS LOWER AND WE WERE LIKE, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF CDB FUNDS, LET'S DO IT. THAT'S GREAT. AND THEN IT, SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE THIS 20 YEAR LIEN AND IT TOOK LITERAL YEARS. LIKE I THINK JAMIE WORKED ON THAT , I MEAN LOOKING AT HAVING CALLS AND MM-HMM. YOU KNOW, WE, I WAS ON SEVERAL CALLS, TABARI WAS ON SEVERAL CALLS TO ASIA, WAS ON SEVERAL CALLS WITH OUR CDBG REP TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD LIKE, LIKE YOU GAVE US THE MONEY, YOU SAID GREAT, YOU CAN ACQUIRE AND FIX THAT PROPERTY, BUT NOW YOU DON'T WANNA LET US LET IT GO. SO IT WAS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. SO YEAH. SO THAT FEASIBLE AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING SINCE I WASN'T THERE THEN I WAS JUST WONDERING COULD WE TAKE SOME OF THESE OLDER HOUSES THAT NEEDED TO BE REPAIRED AND PUT THEM ON THE MARKET, NOT JUST HAVE EMPTY LOTS, SELL ACTUAL HOMES. RIGHT. BUT, UM, I MEAN, AND I DO THINK THERE'S A PROGRAM FOR THAT. I KNOW ZEB WAS LOOKING INTO THE LIKE $5,000 CITY OF NEW BERN THING. I KNOW HE WAS LOOKING INTO LIKE GRANT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR THAT, BUT WE HAVE JUST FOUND IT REALLY DIFFICULT TO, TO UTILIZE IT YEAH. BECAUSE OF THE STIPULATIONS. SO MAYBE THAT'S CHANGING. I DON'T KNOW. LITTLE, A LITTLE TAPE. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT HELPS YOU OUT, COMMISSIONER. OH YEAH. I MEAN I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK INTO IT, BUT I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHO, I MEAN IS THAT, IS THAT STILL LIKE DIA'S LIKE AREA AND WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH HER AND FIGURE OUT THE RESTRICTIONS. AND I THINK WE HAVE A CONSULTANT TOO THAT WE TALK TO. AND I, AND, AND, AND I THINK WITH US HOPEFULLY HAVING A, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WILL ASSUME AND UH, I THINK PRETTY KNOWLEDGEABLE OF A LOT OF THIS STUFF. I THINK THAT WILL GIVE US SOME AIRWAY, SOME THINGS BECAUSE SOME THINGS WE AS A BOARD, WE JUST LET THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR KNOW WHAT WE LIKE AND THEY GO WITH IT AND THEY DO ALL THEY DO THE WORK FOR. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER? OKAY, HONOR. ALRIGHT. OKAY. UH, STAFF REPORT WITH THE, UH, AGAIN, UH, YOU ALL WOULD'VE GOTTEN A, THE, UH, COPY OF THE BUDGET, UH, WHICH DIDN'T CHANGE FROM, UH, THE LAST ONE THAT YOU ALL HAD LAST MONTH. UH, THIS BUDGET, UH, THE ONLY THING THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS THE COST FOR THE MEALS THAT WE HAD AT THE, UH, AT THE RETREAT. BUT, UH, ONE THING DURING THE COURSE OF, DURING THE BUDGET FOR THE CITY, WE REVIEWED THE, UH, BUDGET THAT FOR THE RDC AND NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF FUNDS THAT WERE PLACED INTO PARTICULAR ITEMS. FOR INSTANCE, UM, UNDER OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WHICH INCLUDES THE, THE FUNDS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY AND THE LOTS THAT YOU ALL HAVE OVER THERE. UH, I THINK THERE'S $10,000 IN THAT FOR THAT. UH, AND THE REST OF THE MONEY WAS SPENT ON, UH, ADVERTISING AND A LOT OF ADVERTISING WAS FOR THE, THE, UM, HOMES THAT, THAT WERE EVENTUALLY SOLD BY OBAMA, WAL BELLA. OKAY. SO THOSE WERE FEES THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU ALL UTILIZE FOR, YOU HAVE 22, UH, CORRECTION, $26,000 IN THAT ACCOUNT. UM, THE THOUGHT IS IF YOU ALL WANT TO GIVE US DIRECTION WITH THIS, YOU MAY WANT TO DECIDE TO REDUCE THAT DOWN. 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA NEED THAT KIND OF MONEY GOING FORWARD. UH, FROM THE 26, UH, 26,000. I MEAN, YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER SOMETHING MORE IN LINE WITH MAYBE 15,000, WHICH WILL GIVE YOU $5,000 OVER WHAT YOU'LL BE PAYING FOR MAINTAINING THE LOTS. UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY LOOKING TO ADVERTISE FOR THAT TYPE OF ADVERTISEMENT FOR, UH, SELLING HOMES. UH, SAME THING WITH, UH, UTILITIES. YOU HAVE $4,500 IN THAT LINE ITEM. UH, THAT WAS BECAUSE YOU WERE PAYING FOR THE UTILITIES FOR THOSE HOMES PRIOR TO SELLING 'EM. AND SO CURRENTLY YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROPERTY THAT YOU, YOU ALLOW, UH, UTILITIES FOR. OKAY. SO, SO THAT'S A LINE ITEM YOU PROBABLY WILL, WILL NOT NEED GOING [00:45:01] FORWARD IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE. AND THE FOOD AND PROVISIONS, UH, $2,200, WHICH, UH, MEAN 12 $1,200, WHICH IS, WAS PRETTY CONSISTENTLY USED. I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT SHOULD PROBABLY REMAIN THE SAME. SAME WITH OTHER SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS. IN THE EVENT THAT WE, UH, HIRE A NEW, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO GET SUPPLIES TO GET, UH, TO GET STARTED AS SOON AS THEY COME INTO OFFICE AND YOU HAD, UH, $200,000 IN LAND AND STRUCTURES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T USE ANY OF THOSE FUNDS THIS, THIS PAST YEAR. UH, MAYBE SOMETHING MORE REASONABLE, LIKE $50,000 IN EVENT YOU WANT TO PURCHASE PROPERTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. GIVE DIRECTIONS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UH, THAT, THAT MAY BE A MORE ADVISABLE AMOUNT FOR, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND IF, UH, FOR SOME REASON DOWN, UH, DURING THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR YOU NEED MORE MONEY, YOU CAN ALWAYS DO A, UM, BUDGET AMENDMENT TO, TO BRING MORE MONEY INTO THOSE FUNDS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WHERE WOULD, WOULD YOU SUGGEST, LIKE WHERE WOULD WE MOVE IT TO IF WE MOVED IT OUT OF SOME OF THOSE BUCKETS? JUST, IS THERE JUST LIKE A GENERAL PUT IT BACK IN THE GENERAL THAT'S CORRECT. YOU ALL HAVE A LINE ITEM UNDER, UH, WITH THE CITY THAT IS JUST A GENERAL FUND FOR YOU FOR THE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. OKAY. BUT THESE ARE THE MORE ACCESSIBLE ONES AT THE TIME OF, UM, ACCEPTING THE BUDGET. WHAT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING CURRENTLY NOW, UH, WITH THE CITY'S BUDGET MM-HMM . AND WE PUT THAT AMOUNT THAT I JUST, UH, MENTIONED, UH, INTO THE, UH, INTO YOUR LINE ITEMS AND THE REST OF IT BE IN, IN, UH, IN YOUR RESERVE, UH, IF NEEDED. UH, DO A BUDGET. I MEET, I MAKE IT LATER ON. SO MARK, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THAT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT ADJUSTING OR REDUCING ANY KIND OF FUNDS COMING INTO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FROM THE CITY, YOU'RE JUST PUTTING IT ON A DIFFERENT LINE? THAT'S CORRECT. THE MONEY THAT YOU HAVE WOULD STILL BE IN, IN ACCESSIBLE FOR YOU ALL, BUT IT JUST WOULDN'T BE SITTING IN YOUR, UH, FISCAL YEAR LINE ITEMS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT IS JUST SITTING THERE NOT BEING UTILIZED. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. SO, UM, ARE YOU GONNA PRESENT US WITH THE NEW LINE ITEM OR, OR YOU WANT, SHOULD WE JUST, UM, WHAT ADVISE YOU TO MOVE FORWARD? WHAT I, WHAT I JUST MENTIONED, IF YOU ALL, UH, WOULD ARE UH, WILL AGREE TO IT OR IF YOU THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE MORE OR LESS. I, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THE O ON THE OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UH, 15,000 INSTEAD OF THE 26,000. UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, ZEROING OUT THE UTILITIES FOR NOW. YES. I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND, UH, THE FOOD AND PROVISIONS REMAIN THE SAME AT 1200. UH, THE OTHERS, UH, SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS REMAIN AT 2200 AND THE LAND AND STRUCTURES INSTEAD OF 250,005. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WOULD YOU, WE NEED A MOTION TO ALLOW YOU TO, TO MOVE THOSE. YES. OKAY. YOU HEARD OF RECOMMENDATIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO UH, ACCEPT THE, UH, CITY, CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION ON LINE ITEMS BEING CHANGED AND MOVED INTO GENERAL FUNDS? I MOVE THAT HE, UH, UH, BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT MOVE AND MOVE THOSE ITEMS FROM, UH, OUT OF THE LINEUP INTO THE, UH, GENERAL FUND. OKAY. IS IT SECOND GENERAL FUNDS? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. ALRIGHT. IT'S BEEN MOVED PROBABLY SECOND THAT UH, THE CITY MANAGER WILL REMOVE THE LINE ITEMS THAT, UH, HE WANTS TO, THAT WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE INTO THE GENERAL FUND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY I, I'M SORRY. GOT QUESTION DISCUSSION? YEAH, I, I THINK I WOULD JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND MORE AND LIKE TALK MORE LIKE VICTOR'S UM, COMMITTEE ABOUT LIKE, I THINK YOU GUYS WANT TO DO SOME ADVERTISING, WHICH WE'VE NEVER REALLY DONE. UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT MORE BEFORE WE JUST SAY OKAY. LIKE THOSE SOUND GREAT. WELL I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS AT THE LAST MEETING THEN WE SAID WE HAD MONEY ALREADY SET ASIDE FOR PUBLICATIONS, RIGHT? WELL THIS IS A FULL BUDGET THAT WE LOOKING AT IT, IT'S IN THAT LIKE IT WOULD BE IN THAT, BUT THAT'S HE REDUCED BUT HE'S NOT REDUCING THAT ONE. CORRECT. THAT I THINK IT'S THAT ONE. YEAH. HE WANTS 15 FOR THAT. SO YOU WANT, YOU'RE TAKING THE PUBLICATION FROM 25 OUTTA 15 OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT THAT WAS YEAH. FROM 26,000 TO 15,000, UH, LAST TIME THAT'S WHERE YOU ALL HAD YOUR ADVERTISING FUNDS WERE AND AND AGAIN, THE ONLY $10,000 OF IT, UH, UP TO $10,000 WAS BEING UTILIZED FOR UH, UH, PUBLIC WORKS, UH, SERVICING THE LOTS. AND SO YOU, YOU WOULD STILL BE LOOKING AT OVER $5,000, UH, AVAILABLE FOR ADVERTISEMENT. OKAY. [00:50:01] BUT I REMEMBER IF, IF FOR SOME REASON, UH, THE NEW ED THINKS THAT HE CAN DO IT FOR FIVE, IF NOT GO BACK TO THE BUDGET AGREEMENT. THAT THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF OKAY. BECAUSE CURRENTLY SPEAKING TODAY UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET A ACTUAL MARKETING PROGRAM TOGETHER, KNOWING WHAT'S NEEDED, I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO ASK TO PUT IN THERE. UHHUH. AND I FEEL LIKE RON WASN'T BUILT IN THE DAY WE GOT MEETINGS EVERY SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH AND WE CAN COME BACK TO IT MAR HE SAID THAT WE CAN MOVE IT LATER, RIGHT? YEAH, WE CAN WE CAN BE MOVED LATER. YEAH. RIGHT. AND AND LIKE I SAID, PLUS THIS IS, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING NEW WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE. RIGHT. AND, AND IF IT GOES GOOD, PUT SOME MORE MONEY IN. UH, BUT THIS GIVES US A START. IT GIVES US A START. OKAY. YOU OKAY NOW? YOU COMFORTABLE FOR 20? UH, I MEAN I JUST STILL, I, I GUESS I WANT TO, I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND LIKE THE EFFECT OF MOVING IT SO I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF IT BUT THAT GO ON WITH THE VOTE. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. WELL I WAS GONNA ASK, OH, SO YOU HAD A QUESTION REAL QUICK. I'M SORRY. PROCESS FOR REQUESTING AN ADJUSTMENT THAT'S US OFFICIALLY APPROVING IT THEN IT GOING BACK TO BOARD OF ALDERMAN FOR THEM TO APPROVE, FOR US TO MOVE IT FROM OUR GENERAL FUND OVER TO THIS PARTICULAR LINE ITEM, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR DOWNSIDE IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MONTH'S WORTH OF KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANNA CHANGE ANYTHING MM-HMM . BUT AS A BOARD, IF SOMETHING WAS SITTING IN OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WOULD IT TAKE US ONE MEETING FOR US TO VOTE TO MOVE IT TO ANOTHER LINE ITEM AND THEN BOARD OF OTTMAN AND THEN BOARD OF OTTMAN? WELL THAT'S A GOOD POINT YOU MADE. BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A RESOLUTION TO IT? ME AS I SIT HERE, I SAY WE HAD AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IN PLACE THAT HAD A THOUGHTFUL PLAN AND ARRIVED AT A BUDGET. I KNOW WE DIDN'T MEET THAT, BUT IN MY MIND THE BEST THING WE'VE GOT IS THE LAST RECOMMENDATION OF THE PERSON THAT WAS SITTING IN THAT CHAIR DOING THE JOB. THAT MAKES SENSE TOO. SO, ALRIGHT, SO HE'S SAYING LET'S LET IT SIT IF IT'S OUR MONEY MOTION TABLE, GOTTA EITHER VOTE AGAINST THE MOTION TO START IT OVER. SO ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY, SO THAT MOTION DYE NOW BACK TO WHAT STRICT SAID AND PUT YOU WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I MEAN THAT'S, I I LIKE A BOARD WHERE WE DISCUSS LIKE THIS BEFORE WE GET TO A VOTE. YES. BECAUSE WHEN STRICKLAND SAID THAT, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. MM-HMM . AND IT MAKES A WHOLE, UH, IT'S MORE CLEAR. LET IT SIT THERE. WE HAD A, LIKE YOU SAID, SOMEBODY THAT SITS IN THAT JOB AND CREATED IT. I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE TO CHALLENGE WHAT WAS ALREADY PUT THERE BECAUSE I'M NOT AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO SAY WHAT WE NEED. IT'S ONLY MY THIRD MEETING, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED NEXT YEAR OR THIS UPCOMING YEAR VERSUS LAST YEAR. AND WHAT ARE THE, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, CAN WE FREELY USE FUNDS OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND OR DO WE HAVE TO GET BOARD OF ALDERMAN APPROVAL TO USE THOSE FUNDS? YOU HAVE TO GET A BUD BUDGET ADJUST ADJUSTMENT TO GET THE FUNDS. AND IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE IT INTO THE LINE ITEMS THAT YOU ALL CURRENTLY HAVE. NO, I MEAN TO SPEND IT SO GEN LET'S SAY WE, WE DO PUT MORE STUFF IN OUR GENERAL FUND AND IT GETS BIGGER TO SPEND. SO LET'S, AND LET'S SAY WE DID WANT TO THEN DO ADVERTISING. CAN WE USE GENERAL FUNDS TO DO ADVERTISING OR NO, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD AND PUT IN A DIFFERENT BUCKET. IT WOULD, IF UH, THESE LINE ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE BUDGET IS WHERE YOU WOULD'VE TO PULL, YOU'D HAVE TO TELL US, HEY, PULL IT FROM THIS PARTICULAR LINE ITEM. THE, THE BOARD, UM, OF UH, OF ALTIMA WOULD NOT TELL YOU HOW TO USE THOSE PARTICULAR LINE ITEMS. THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO YOU ALL. BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE FUNDS IN THERE. SAY YOU WANNA SAY I'M GOING TO DO SOME ADVERTISEMENT AND I'M GONNA USE THE OTHER, UM, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR THAT. MM-HMM . YOU ALL ARE WELCOME TO DO THAT. IF, IF UH, BOARD OF ALMOND, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO USE MONEY FROM THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. 'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE YOU ALL'S DECISION. IS THAT THE SAME FOR THE GENERAL FUND? IF IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN THIS FUND, YOU HAVE TO ASK THE BOARD OF ALTMAN TO DO A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT TO GET MORE FUNDS INTO THOSE PARTICULAR, I MEAN IN LIKE IN OUR GENERAL FUND, SO THE 900 IN OUR GENERAL FUND, IF WE WANT TO SPEND THAT, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE PORTABLE APPROVAL THAT THAT IS YOUR BALANCE? THAT AMOUNT JUST HAS TO BE, THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENT HAS TO PULL ANY TIME THAT THAT MONEY THAT'S IN THERE IS CURRENTLY YOU ALL ARE DESIGNATED FOR THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS. OKAY. SO AND YOUR TOTAL AMOUNT IS THE, THE AMOUNT THAT YOU SEE THERE. BUT IF YOU WANT TO SPEND ALL OF 'EM, YOU CAN PUT IT ALL WHATEVER YOU CAN ASK FOR A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT TO PUT ALL YOUR MONEY DOWN INTO LAND [00:55:01] INSTRUCTIONS. IF YOU WERE GONNA BUY THAT AND, AND THAT WOULD ZERO OUT YOUR FEDERAL FUND WITH A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT AND THEN YOU COULD SPEND IT ALL OUT OF THAT LINE. SO THEY WOULD, SO THE FUND BALANCE UNASSIGNED OF BASICALLY EIGHT 50 TO SPEND THAT WE NEED TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN. CORRECT. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD GROW THAT. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IF IT'S IN A BUCKET, THEN CAN'T WE? SO WE CAN JUST GO DO ADVERTISING. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD NOT KEEP THE BUCKETS. I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WITHIN REASON THEY'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE THE BUDGET. IF IF WE SAY WE WANT TO ALL 8 49 FOR ADVERTISING, THEY'RE GONNA SAY NO, WHICH MAKES SENSE. BUT I THINK WE KEEP THE BUCKETS WHERE THEY ARE AND WHERE THEY MAKE SENSE WITH NO CHANGES. I MEAN, WE'RE STILL OBVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT I JUST, TO STEVE'S POINT AND YOU KNOW, SO ANYTHING IN THAT EIGHT 50 THAT WE USE, WE HAVE TO GET BOARD OF ALL RUN APPROVAL. SO, BUT IF IT'S IN A SUB BUCKET, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DO NOT, THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE EVERY, YOU KNOW, TIME WE REDO OUR INSURANCE. THEY'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE EVERY TIME WE SPEND $600 ON ADVERTISING BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY DONE ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S ON A LINE ITEM. RIGHT. BUT WAIT A MINUTE, IF WE GOT $800,000 IN OUR BUDGET, WE HAVE TO GET THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE US TO USE SOME OF THAT MONEY. IT'S NOT IN OUR BUDGET. IT'S IN OUR FUND AND OUR FUNDS. SO FUNDS ARE IN BUDGET. IT'S OKAY. ALRIGHT. THE FUND OPERATES LIKE A SAVINGS ACCOUNT. HUH? THE, THE FUND OPERATES LIKE A SAVINGS ACCOUNT IF YOU WANT TO DIP INTO THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT 'CAUSE YOU HAVEN'T OTHERWISE ALLOCATED THOSE FUNDS, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE GOVERNING BOARD. OKAY. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I GOT YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO TO THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, I THINK THE BOARD SUGGESTED LEAVE EVERYTHING AS IS. OKAY. IS THAT SINCE THE BOARD LEAVE THE BUDGET AS IT IS? MM-HMM . OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO YOU DON'T MOTION, WANT ENTERTAIN A MOTION? HUH? CHAIR? YOU WANT ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT MR. CHAIR, JUST SO WE HAVE ACTION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. IS THERE MOTION? YOU GOT IT STRAIGHT. I WAS GONNA SAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MAINTAIN OUR PRIOR FISCAL YEAR BUDGET REQUEST FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. OKAY. SECOND, THE MOVE TO PROBABLY SECOND THAT THE BUDGET REMAIN THE SAME, UH, BASED ON THE PREVIOUS YEAR. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE. THANK YOU. UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS, UH, MYSELF AND THE CHAIR HAD A MEETING WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND, AND HABITAT OVER A, UM, OPPORTUNITY THEY, THAT THEY WANT US TO CONSIDER PARTNERING WITH THEM. THERE WAS NOTHING OF, UH, OF ACTIONABLE, THEY WERE JUST BASICALLY LETTING US KNOW THAT THERE, THERE'S AN AVAILABLE GRANT THAT THEY COULD PURSUE MM-HMM . AND WITH THAT, UH, PARTICULAR GRANT THAT THEY COULD PURSUE, THEY WERE SAYING IF THEY WERE, UM, SUCCESSFUL IN, IN GETTING THAT OR I HAD A GOOD OPPORTUNITY OF, OF GETTING THAT GRANT, THEN THEY WOULD BRING IT BACK TO US SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY GIVE A BRIEFING TO YOU ALL, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING OF, OF, UM, OF REAL VALUE THAT WE, WE, THERE WAS NO DECISIONS OR ANYTHING MADE. IT WAS BASICALLY LIKE, HEY, BEFORE WE GO INTO THIS, WOULD YOU ALL BE, UH, WOULD YOU ALL BE OPEN TO ENTERTAINING A PARTNERSHIP IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET A, UH, IT WAS A, UH, NEW MARKET TAX CREDIT, BUT, UM, THERE, THERE'S NO GUARANTEES THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET. BUT THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE MEETING WAS ABOUT. SO, YEAH. AND IT WAS, IT WAS INTER IT WAS QUITE INTERESTING BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING, THIS IS NEW FOR HABITAT ESPECIALLY, UM, FOR, ESPECIALLY HERE IN NEW BERN, BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING ALL THIS MONEY AND IF HABITAT CAN REQUEST IT AND THEY THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO INVEST THEIR MONEY AND WITH THIS BE IN PARTNERSHIP, IT WAS, IT WOULD BE, I MEAN THIS, THIS WOULD REALLY BE A PLUS FOR, UH, FOR THE CITY. I'LL PUT THAT A PLUS FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT NEED SOME HOUSING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HABITAT IS ALREADY DOING HOUSING, SO OUR PARTNERSHIP IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY, UH, THEM BUYING SOME PROPERTY FROM US AND GOING FROM THERE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS. SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE NOT JUST, IT'S GONNA WORK. IT'S GONNA WORK. SO WE GOTTA WAIT FOR HABITAT TO GET BACK WITH TIME. I CORRECT. PALMER WAITING FOR HABITAT TO GET BACK WITH US? THAT'S CORRECT. CHAIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR. DO THEY HAVE ANY KIND OF A TIMELINE OF WHEN THEY'LL HAVE A THUMBS UP OR A THUMB DOWN ON THAT OR WE ACTUALLY JUST KNOW THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR HABITAT TO GIVE US A CALL. I DON'T KNOW. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW SHE, HOW, HOW, HOW SHE GO ABOUT GETTING THAT INFORMATION, WHO SHE HAS TO CALL OR WHATEVER. IT'S OKAY. BUT THEY WERE LOOKING AT, UH, $50 MILLION THAT HABITAT MIGHT BE 50 MILLION WILL COME TO US, BUT IT'S A 50 MILLION POCKET THAT THEY MIGHT GET. SO JUST THINKING ABOUT OUR PROCESSES AND TIMELINES ON THINGS. SO IT, IT, IT [01:00:01] TAKES A WHILE TO GET ANYTHING ELSE. IT TAKES A WHILE. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET FREE MONEY, YOU KNOW? YEAH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, UH, THE NEXT ITEM, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR POSITION. WE INITIALLY HAD ABOUT 30 APPLICANTS I WANT TO SAY. UH, AND THEN WE, THAT WAS NARROWED DOWN AFTER INITIAL SCREENING TO ABOUT NINE OR 10. AND, UH, RECENT, WE ENDED UP NARROWING THAT DOWN TO THREE IN-PERSON, UH, INTERVIEWS THAT OCCURRED. WE, UH, WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS. ONE GROUP DID AN EXERCISE THAT THEY, UH, THAT THE, UH, APPLICANTS HAD TO, THEY WERE ACTUALLY PRESENTED WITH TWO TO FOUR PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ALL ADJOINED AND THEY WERE, UH, A COMBINATION OF CITY AND COUNTY OWNED LOTS, UH, THAT UP TO A REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION LOT TO SEE, UM, WHAT KIND OF IDEALS THEY COULD PRESENT TO, UH, THE BOARD THAT WE HAD THERE. THE, UM, UM, THE, THE SAMPLE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION BOARD THAT WE WERE UTILIZING AND, AND GIVEN THEIR, UH, IDEA OF WHAT THEY COULD DO WITH THE RESOURCES THAT THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE THREE APPLICANTS DID THAT FOR THAT ONE GROUP. AND THEN AFTER THAT, OR REPORT IT, DEPENDING ON WHAT ORDER THEY WENT IN, THEY WOULD GO DOWN AND HAVE A SERIES ABOUT 12 QUESTIONS THAT THEY WERE INTERVIEW QUESTIONS THAT THEY DID WITH ANOTHER GROUP. UM, AND SINCE THAT, UM, PROCESS, THE CITY MANAGER WAS IN ON THE EXERCISE PORTION BUT HAS NOT, UH, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE INTERVIEWS YET. AND, UH, ONCE HE REVIEWS THE INTERVIEWS, UH, WE WILL CONVENE AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AND, UH, HOPEFULLY HE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION FROM THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT [10. Next Meeting: April 8, 2026] MEETING WILL BE APRIL THE EIGHTH, 2026. YES. SPRING BREAK. THAT'S JUST SPRING BREAK. I'M TALKING. OKAY. UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR CLOSED SESSION TONIGHT, CORRECT? NOT TONIGHT, SIR. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR TO ADJOURN? SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED, THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.