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AN ORDER IN THE, THE MARCH MEETING OF THE NEWBURN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.MR. SHELLEY, IF YOU CALL THE ROLE RIGHT? CERTAINLY ROSS.
UH, RICHARD PARSONS AND MOLLY BALES ARE NOT YET HERE.
[2. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA ]
THERE ANY OTHER ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? I DO HAVE ONE.MR. SHELLEY HAS CLARIFIED ITEM B UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, WE DO NOT NEED TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE THE GARAGE DOORS ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THE CURRENT COA IS JUST EXPIRING SO HE CAN DEAL WITH IT AS A ONE YEAR EXTENSION AND IT IS A MINOR WORK.
AND ALSO WE HAVE NO MINUTES, SO YOU COULD ELIMINATE THAT.
SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE NO CONSENT AGENDA HEARINGS ON CERTIFICATE.
SO IS THAT YOUR, UH, ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? YES.
CAN WE HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? WE HAVE A MOTION.
MAKE THE MOTION TO DISPENSE WITH THE CONSENT.
LET'S DISPENSE WITH THE, UH, MINUTES SINCE THEY'RE NOT READY.
JUST TO CLARIFY, MR. CHAIR, I THINK, UM, MR. RUSH'S MOTION IS TO DISPENSE WITH THE ENTIRE CONSENT AGENDA SINCE THERE ARE NO MINUTES.
AND, UM, ITEM THREE B DOES NOT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND WAS THAT THE SECOND ALSO? I'LL SECOND.
[4.A. HEARINGS: INTRODUCTION, SWEARING-IN, SUMMARY OF PROCESS 1. Introduction of Hearings and Rules of Procedure 2. Swearing-In of Speakers 3. Summary of the Hearing Process]
WE MOVE TO HEARINGS ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE HEARING, I'LL SUMMARIZE THE HEARING PROCESS.THE HBC ADMINISTRATOR PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE PRESENTS THE APPLICATION.
PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.
REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE.
OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.
THE HBC ADMINISTRATOR PRESENTS THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS THEN THE APPLICANT, OR REPRESENTED AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS ON THEIR APPLICATION.
COMMERS DISCUSS THE EVIDENCE AND MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR PRESENTERS.
THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A MOTION TO PRO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION WITH STATED FINDINGS OF FACT.
THE MOTION IS THEN DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSION.
CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A VOTE ON THE MOTION BY THE COMMISSION, AND A COA CAN BE APPROVED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED.
YOU MAY WANNA SWEAR ON PRESENTER.
MR. SHELLEY, IF YOU'D SWEAR IN ANYONE WHO CHOOSES TO SPEAK TONIGHT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO SWEAR US IN.
ALRIGHT, SO YOU'RE GONNA RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S, BORD OF ALDERMAN.
IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BOTH DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE, BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NANCE, HISTORIC DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HPC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC DRUG STRUCTURES.
DUE TO NEGLECT, THE HBC HOLDS A QUA QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE COMMISSIONER THE COMMISSION HEARS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.
THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION.
IT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONERS ARE REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINION, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES OR HEARSAY DURING A HEARING.
THE COMMISSION'S DECISION ON AN APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT A HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO THE HISTORIC
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DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.[Items 4.B & 4.C]
TO DEAL WITH SEVEN 15 AND 7 17 7 19 NEW STREET.ALRIGHT, UM, SINCE THESE ARE TWO APPLICATIONS THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY IDENTICAL OR ALMOST IDENTICAL, I'M ACTUALLY STARTING WITH SEVEN 19 NEW STREET AND YOU'LL SEE WHY.
UH, SO THAT REVERSES THE ORDER OF THE TWO ADDRESSES ON THE AGENDA.
UM, SO THE FIRST 1, 7 19 NEW STREET.
THIS IS THE APPLICATION, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS ALL SQUARE, ENTERPRISE, LLC.
UH, AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF THE APPLICATION HERE, UH, FILLED OUT, CHECKED OFF, AND SIGNED BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, THEN, UH, THIS NOW TO READJUST THE SIZE, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN PROVIDED, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS ON THE CORNER OF NEW STREET AND BURN STREET, UH, AND THE HOUSE WOULD BE FACING NEW STREET.
THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY IS ALSO NEW STREET.
UH, THIS DIAGRAM SHOWS THE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE, THE RECTANGLE IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, I'VE ADDED A FEW, UH, DIMENSIONS, UH, THAT, UH, TO SHOW THAT THE HOUSE IS 27 FOOT SIX INCHES WIDE AS DESIGNED IN THE PLANS WE'LL SEE IN A MINUTE.
AND WHEN YOU ADD THOSE ALL UP, IT'S 59 FOOT SIX INCHES ACROSS, WHICH COMPORTS WITH THE 60 FOOT, UH, UH, DIMENSION ACROSS THE BACK AND 61 ACROSS THE FRONT.
UH, AND SO ON THIS PLAN, UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UH, FOR THE BUILDING SETBACKS, THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS ARE DETERMINED BY OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE SAME BLOCK AS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND SO THEY'VE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION ON THE RIGHT HERE WITH THE ASTERISKS.
UM, FOR THE NEW STREET FRONTAGE, UH, THEY HAVE MEASURED THAT THE CLOSEST, UH, OTHER BU THE OTHER BUILDING ON THAT BLOCK IS FIVE FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK.
AND THE FARTHEST IS 18 FOOT SIX INCHES FROM THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK.
SO THE 15 FOOT THAT'S PROPOSED, UH, IS, UH, APPROPRIATE.
THEN ON THE BURN STREET SIDE, SAME THING HAPPENS AGAIN.
AND IN THIS CASE, THE CLOSEST, UH, BUILDING IS EIGHT FOOT FOUR INCHES, AND THE FARTHEST ONE IS 13 FOOT FOUR INCHES.
AND SO THEIR 13, THEIR PROPOSAL FOR 13 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK, UH, IS APPROPRIATE.
UM, TO NOTE HERE ALSO IS THAT THE, UH, SPACE TO THE RIGHT OR EAST OF OF THE HOUSE IS TO BE USED FOR PARKING 55 FOOT LONG DRIVEWAY FOR PARKING.
UH, WITH THE 15 FEET OUT IN FRONT, THAT LEAVES 40 FEET, WHICH IS APPROPRIATE FOR TWO PARKING SPACES.
UH, LET'S SEE, OTHER THAN THAT, THE, UH, OFF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, 19 FEET IS, UH, MORE THAN THE SIX FOOT MINIMUM FOR THE BACKYARD.
AND THE 19 FEET IS MORE THAN THE FIVE FEET MINIMUM FOR THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
UH, THE PLAN DOES SHOW A SIDEWALK COMING OUT OF THE CENTER OF THE, OF THE, UH, PLAN OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THE ACTUAL STEPS DOWN FROM THE FRONT PORCH COME OFF OF ONE CORNER OR THE OTHER.
SO, UH, THAT'S, UH, SLIGHTLY INACCURATE THERE.
UH, WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE, THAT SIDEWALK AS WE PROCEED HERE.
ALRIGHT, SO I PROVIDED THE, UH, AERIAL VIEW FOR THIS.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, THESE ARE E THIS ONE IS AN EMPTY LOT AT THE CORNER OF BERN AND NEW STREET.
AND YOU CAN SEE SOME THE, BASICALLY THE CONTEXT OF, UH, WHERE THESE, THIS HOUSE WILL BE LOCATED, UH, AND THE KINDS OF, UH, HOUSES THAT ARE AROUND THERE AND OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE AROUND THERE, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
SO THESE ARE THE ALL ALONG NEW STREET.
THESE ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE USED TO COME UP WITH THOSE, UH, WITH THAT FRONT SETBACK RANGE.
AND THEN SAME THING ALONG BURN STREET, ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS.
ALRIGHT, SO I PROVIDED A SOMEWHAT MORE CLOSER VIEW OF THE LOT.
UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE, UH, IT'S BASICALLY VERY EMPTY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE SOUTHWEST CORNER HAS MAYBE A TREE ON IT, MAYBE IT'S ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
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UH, THERE ARE SOME STREET TREES ALONG THE BURN STREET SIDE.AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT.
AGAIN, THESE ARE SOME, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SITE BACK IN WHEN WE HAD OUR SNOWSTORM
UH, AND, UH, TO GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE OF WHY DID THAT DO THAT, UH, OKAY, SORRY, OF THE CONTEXT FOR THIS PROPERTY, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, THIS IS THE UPPER PHOTO REPRESENTS BOTH OF THE PROPERTIES TOGETHER.
UH, WHEREAS THE, THIS MIDDLE ONE IS, UH, THE PROPERTY ON THE CORNER.
THEN, UH, FROM 2015 WE HAVE A GOOGLE STREET VIEW IMAGE, UH, SHOWING THE ENTIRE PROPERTY VACANT EVEN BACK THEN.
AND, UH, THE, SOME OF THE OTHER FACTORS AROUND THIS PROPERTY, UH, THE SIDEWALKS, THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES ON THE LEFT, UH, THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES ON THE RIGHT, AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME OF THOSE MORE UP CLOSE.
AND THE ONE IN THE BACKGROUND IS THE, UH, SMALL FUNERAL HOME THAT'S BACK THERE.
THERE IS AN INTERVENING PROPERTY IN BETWEEN THE FUNERAL HOME AND THESE PROPERTIES SIGNED CHECKS GONNA MAKE THIS BIGGER.
SO THE, UH, FIRST HOUSE TO THE LEFT IS THIS ONE STORY ONE.
THEN THE NEXT ONE OVER IS TWO WITH AN ATTIC.
THE FOLLOWING ONE AFTER THAT IS TWO WITH AN ATTIC.
BOTH OF THOSE HAVE A PORCH ON THE FRONT, PLUS THE ONE STORY ALSO HAS A PORCH ON THE FRONT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM.
THIS IS LOOKING BACK AT THEM FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION AND, UH, FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO YOU HAVE A CLOSER VIEW OF SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THOSE.
THEN ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM, UH, BEGIN THESE OTHER HOUSES ON THAT SAME BLOCK OF NEW STREET.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A NEWER CONSTRUCTION, UH, TWO STORIES WITH AN ATTIC AND A SMALL ADDITION ON THE LEFT.
AND THE ONE IN THE BACKGROUND IS TWO STORY WITH NO ATTIC.
AND THEN LOOKING DOWN THE REST OF NEW STREET, UH, OUT TO GEORGE STREET, UH, THERE'S TWO MORE HOUSES THERE AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT IS PROBABLY THE ONE THAT HAS LIKE THE, UH, WHAT WAS IT? TWO FOOT SETBACK FROM THE SIDEWALK.
UM, WHEREAS FOR BURN STREET, UM, THIS IS NOW A SOMEWHAT WIDER VIEW OF BURN STREET, THE VIEW DOWN THERE.
AND THE HOUSE WILL BE SITTING HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS PHOTOGRAPH.
SO IF YOU CAN KIND OF, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE PLANS, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE IT SITTING THERE, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, WITH IT'S, UH, ESSENTIALLY ONE AND A HALF STORIES, UH, THERE, UH, THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE RIGHT, WELL, ON THE CORNER, THERE'S A SMALL VACANT PIECE.
UM, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO THAT IS THIS WHITE HOUSE THAT'S THERE ON THE PHOTO ON THE BOTTOM.
SO YOU HAVE SOME IDEA OF THE CHARACTER OF THAT.
UM, AND THAT SAME HOUSE FROM THE LEFT SIDE, THERE'S CHIMNEY ON THERE, FRONT PORCH, TWO STORIES, FAN ATTIC.
THEN THE NEXT THREE IN LINE, UH, ALL THREE OF 'EM FRONT PORCH AND TWO STORIES AND AN ATTIC.
UM, POSSIBLY A HALF STORY, UM, WITH THOSE DORMERS ON THERE.
NOW, UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THIS PROPERTY FROM QUEEN STREET, UM, BECAUSE OF THE VACANT AREA, UH, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, AND ALSO THE FACT THAT THAT IS A TRIANGULAR, UH, FIVE-WAY INTERSECTION, WHOOPS.
AND, UH, THE LARGE SIDEWALK AND SUCH HERE.
SO, UM, YOU WOULD SEE THIS HOUSE ESSENTIALLY RIGHT BEHIND THE WHITE VEHICLE HERE, JUST AND TO A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT OF THAT VEHICLE.
AND EVEN AS YOU'RE APPROACHING DOWN QUEEN STREET, THIS, UH, HOUSE WILL NOW BE, UM, SITTING ON THIS CORNER THERE.
THIS IS SO FRUSTRATING HOW EVERYTHING'S
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JUMPING AROUND.THIS IS THE, UH, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW, UH, FOR THE APPLICATION.
AND THE, UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS INDICATED THAT A ZONING PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THIS.
WE'VE JUST DISCUSSED THE, UH, SETBACKS FOR THE PROPERTY, AND THIS CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS INDICATED THAT THE PROJECT, OF COURSE, WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO NOW WE CAN GET TO THE PLANS.
AND THIS IS THE COVER SHEET FOR THE SET.
UM, IT SHOWS A VERY NICE, UH, SKETCH OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
I CAN GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS THIS REAL QUICK SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN LATER.
SO THIS, UH, SHOWS, UM, THE FRONT PORCH, UH, ONE AND A HALF STORIES.
UH, THE SECOND FLOOR IS, UM, A SIGNIFICANT OCCUPANCY UP THERE, UH, AND, UM, HAS FRONT STEPS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE HERE.
UH, THE FRONT WINDOWS HAVE, UH, SETS OF SHUTTERS.
SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF FOUR INDIVIDUAL SHUTTERS.
UH, THE WINDOWS ALSO HAVE, UH, PANELS UNDERNEATH THE WINDOWS, THE FRONT DOOR, UH, OR DOORS, UH, UH, SHOWN HERE AS WELL WITH THEIR PANELS AND WINDOWS.
YOU CAN SEE ALL THE TRIM WORK AROUND THE DOORS AND WINDOWS.
THE, UH, COLUMNS ON THE PORCH ARE, UH, TURNED POSTS.
UH, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE SOME DECORATIVE, UH, BRACKETS AT THE TOPS.
UH, AND THE OTHER IMPORTANT FEATURE HERE IS THIS, UH, KIND OF PEDIMENT, UH, PORTION RIGHT OVER THE PORTION OF THE PORCH WHERE YOU ENTER.
UH, THAT WILL COME UP A LITTLE BIT LATER.
AND, UH, THE OTHER THINGS ARE ALL AROUND THE SIDES, SO WE'LL SEE THEM IN A MINUTE, BUT THAT'S JUST THE FRONT OF IT.
SO THE NEXT SHEET IS ACTUALLY THE FLOOR PLANS.
LOOKS LIKE I HAVE TO MAKE THEM A LITTLE SMALLER SO YOU CAN SEE THEM IN THEIR ENTIRETY.
SO THE, UM, THE MIDDLE ONE IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN.
THE RIGHT HAND ONE IS THE FOUNDATION, AND THE LEFT HAND ONE IS THE UPPER FLOOR.
SO THE, THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, UH, THE BOTTOM IS ALONG NEW STREET.
SO LOOKING AT THE FRONT, AT THE, FROM THE BOTTOM, THAT'S THE FRONT PORCH, AND THIS FRONT PORCH STEPS AND THE FRONT DOOR AND THE TWO WINDOWS, UH, THAT WE JUST SAW.
UH, BUT WHAT WE ALSO SEE IN THE PLAN IS, UH, AS WE GO AROUND THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THERE'S A, A BAY WINDOW, UH, FOR THE DINING ROOM, AND THEN ANOTHER WINDOW, UH, ON THE SIDE FOR THE KITCHEN.
UH, A SMALL, UM, UH, SETBACK FOR, UH, THE UTILITY ROOM ON THE BACK HERE, WHICH THEN CARRIES OUT AND BECOMES A SCREENED IN REAR PORCH, UH, WHICH ALSO HAS A SET OF STAIRS INSET INTO ITS CORNER THERE.
THEN, UH, COMING BACK ALONG THE OTHER SIDE, UH, A WINDOW FOR THE MASTER BEDROOM, A WINDOW FOR BATHROOM, UH, AND THEN THE WALL ALSO, UH, INSETS IN QUITE A BIT, UH, TO COME BACK TO THE FRONT.
UM, THAT LITTLE CORNER THERE IS USED FOR THE UTILITIES, UH, WITH A SMALL FENCE AND GATE AROUND THAT AREA.
AND THEN, UH, LASTLY THERE'S A BUMP OUT FOR THE, UH, UH, GAS NON-VET, UM, FIREPLACE.
CAN I JUST ASK A QUICK QUESTION BECAUSE THIS IS REVERSED FROM THE OTHER ONE.
BURN STREET IS ON THE LEFT OR RIGHT.
SO BURN STREET WOULD BE ON THE RIGHT.
WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN ON YOUR YES.
SO, UH, IN THIS PLAN, BURN STREET'S ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
SO THE, UH, THE BAY WINDOW FOR THE DINING ROOM IS FACING BURN STREET.
AND THE UTILITIES THEN WOULD BE FACING THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, WE'LL SAY.
UH, THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, HAS TWO BEDROOMS AND A STAIRWAY UP IN BETWEEN THEM.
UH, BUT, UH, PRIMARILY FOR US, WE SEE THERE ARE THREE WINDOWS OUT THE FRONT.
THAT WAS THE KIND OF PALLADIAN MOTIF, UM, THE LARGE CENTER AND TWO SMALLER SIDE WINDOWS.
UH, AND THEN ON THE BACK THERE'S A SINGLE WINDOW.
UH, THEY HAVE ADDED WITH SOME HANDWRITTEN NOTES HERE THAT SOME OF THE WINDOWS ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE PLANS SHOW.
UM, SO, UH, WE MAY NEED TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS ONE, BUT THE OTHERS, UM, SEEM TO BE RATHER STRAIGHTFORWARD IN MY OPINION.
SO, AND THIS ONE, SO I MIGHT AS WELL HIT THAT ONE WHILE WE'RE AT IT.
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UH, IT'S TWO FOOT EIGHT, UH, WIDE BY SIX FOOT HIGH.AND, UM, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY DESIGNED TO BE SLIGHTLY SMALLER, SLIGHTLY SHORTER.
UH, AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE ELEVATION, WE'LL NEED TO ASK THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW IT, HOW IT'S CHANGED THE ELEVATION FROM WHAT WE SEE ON THE ELEVATION.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT PAGE IS THE, UH, ELEVATIONS.
AND THIS INCLUDES A LOT OF THE HAND, THE, THE NOTATIONS THAT WE REQUESTED FROM OUR DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAWINGS REFLECT, UH, THEIR, UH, PROPOSAL.
UH, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE THIS TALL.
FIRST OF ALL, THE REAR ELEVATIONS, THE UPPER LEFT, THE FRONT ELEVATION'S, THE LOWER RIGHT.
UH, AND SO THE, AND THE RIGHT HAND ELEVATION, WHICH IN THIS CASE WOULD BE FACING BURN STREET IS UPPER RIGHT.
AND THEN LOWER LEFT IS FACING THE DRIVEWAY.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE THIS LARGER SO WE CAN SEE BETTER EACH ONE OF THESE.
SO THE REAR ELEVATION, AND AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THAT WINDOW AT THE TOP, UM, IS GOING TO BE SLIGHTLY LARGER.
UH, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT SIX INCHES TALLER.
UM, AND SO MAYBE AT THIS POINT BE GOOD FOR OUR APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD.
SO WE CAN GET A, UH, AN, A REVISION TO THE DRAWING HERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, JOHN ROSENBAUM, 1 75 SALTY SHOR, POINT DRIVE, NEWPORT, NORTH CAROLINA.
SO, UM, THE DRAWINGS ON THE PLANS SHOW THAT THIS WOULD BE ABOUT SIX INCHES TALLER THAN IS SHOWN ON, ON HERE.
UH, ARE YOU PLANNING ON LOWERING THE SILL OR RAISING THE HEADER OR SOME COMBINATION THEREOF? RAISING THE HEADER.
UM, WHAT WE CAN ALSO SEE ON HERE SOME NOTES THAT STAND OUT THE MOST HERE.
UH, ALMOST ALL OF THE SIDING AND TRIM IS, UH, ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE MADE OUT OF HARDY BOARD OR, UM, FIBER CEMENT BOARD.
UH, AND HERE THEY'VE CALLED OUT FIVE QUARTER BY FIVE AND A HALF FOR THE HEADER AND FIVE QUARTER BY THREE AND A HALF FOR THE SIDES.
EXCUSE ME, MATT, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SURE.
WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
ALRIGHT, IS THAT, ARE THOSE SHINGLES INDIVIDUAL OR ARE THOSE JUST KIND OF SHAPED BOARDS THAT HAVE A, THE, THE SHINGLE SHAPED ON THE, ON THE BOTTOM OF THEM? UM, JUST SHAPE ON THE BOTTOM.
SO THEY'RE NOT INDIVIDUAL SHINGLES, THEY'RE JUST BOARDS RIGHT, THAT ARE CUT TO RESEMBLE THE BOTTOM OF OF SHINGLES, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, SO OTHER THINGS TO NOTE HERE, IT'S A 12 AND 12 PITCH ON THE, ON THE MAIN ROOF.
UM, THE, UH, ENTIRE GABLE IS FRAMED WITH SOME TRIM, AND THERE'S ALSO A RETURN AT WHAT THEY CALL A RETURN AT THE BOTTOM CORNERS HERE.
UM, UH, WHICH MEANS IT'LL STAND OUT MORE THAN THE REST OF THE TRIM THAT'S, UH, COMING HORIZONTAL ACROSS THE REST OF THIS, UH, TRIANGULAR SHAPE.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S CUT OUT, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THE WINDOW TO COME THROUGH AND WITH ITS WINDOW SILL, UH, THAT THEN HAS ANOTHER, UH, PIECE OF TRIM UNDERNEATH IT, WHICH IS, UM, I THINK IT'S CALLED OUT IN THE DETAILS THE SIZE OF THAT.
UH, AND THEN THE, UH, THE, UH, THE PORCH, THE SCREEN IN PORCH, UM, HAS A, UM, GABLE ROOF HERE.
AND BECAUSE OF THE, UH, THE REAR DOOR IS PUNCHED IN, UH, THE ROOF HAS DIFFERENT SHAPE, UH, OFF TO THE RIGHT, UH, WHERE THE, UH, IT'S ESSENTIALLY POPPING OUT FARTHER THAN THE DOORWAY.
UM, AND SO ALL THE TRIM AROUND ALL OF THAT IS, UM, FOLLOWING ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT ENTIRE ROOF.
THE SCREENED AREA, UM, HAS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 COLUMNS.
UH, AND, UH, BETWEEN THE COLUMNS, UH, THE SCREEN MATERIAL IS FASTENED TO THE BACK SIDE OF THESE COLUMNS SO THAT THE COLUMNS, UM, STAND OUT FROM THE SCREEN.
AND LET'S SEE, WE ALSO SEE, UM, ON THE DETAIL UP HERE FOR THIS CORNER, UH, THAT THEY ARE CALLING OUT A HARDY SOFFIT AND A HARDY FREEZE BOARD.
THAT'S THIS WHITE BOARD COMING ACROSS ALL THE WAY ACROSS HERE.
UH, AND THEN THE SHINGLES, UH, SORRY, THE, UH, SIDING, UH, DOWN BELOW THAT, UM, THE, UH,
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UH, THERE IS NO, UM, GUTTER AND NO DOWNSPOUT, UH, BUT THERE IS AT THE EDGE HERE A, UM, UH, COVE SHAPED TRIM, YOU KNOW, COVE, UH, LIKE YOU MIGHT SEE INSIDE A DINING ROOM OR A LIVING ROOM.UH, COVING THAT SAME KIND OF SHAPE WITH, UH, ALONG THAT.
AND THEN, UH, UH, COMING DOWN TO THE, UH, SOFFIT ITSELF.
AND THE CALLING OUT SHOWING HERE, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLE FOR THE ROOFING.
NOW THAT, UH, THAT ROOF IS THE SLOPE.
OH, IS THREE AND 12 SHOWN OVER HERE, UH, ON THIS SIDE HERE.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO WELL, OH NO, NOT YET.
UH, THE SCREEN DOORS, DOUBLE DOORS, UM, THEY'VE PROVIDED SOME DETAIL ABOUT THAT.
UM, IT'S CALLED OUT AS A 3 0 6 8 WOOD SCREEN DOOR.
UH, AND THEN THE, THE STEPS ARE ALSO CALLED OUT AS PRESSURE TREATED WOOD AND THE ENTIRE BACK PORCH IS SUPPORTED ON BRICK PIERS, UH, WITH NO INFILL BETWEEN, UH, THE BRICK PIERS.
SO OPEN UNDERNEATH THIS, UH, SCREEN PORCH.
UH, THAT SHOULD PROBABLY DO IT FOR NOW, OTHER THAN THE ONLY OTHER THING IS THE, UH, CORNER BOARD HERE ON THE SIDES.
UM, THOSE ARE CALLED OUT AS A SIX INCH, UH, CORNER BOARD.
GOOD THO THOSE, THOSE BRICK PIERS ARE, ARE THEY ACTUALLY, UM, LIKE BRICK FACED? THEY'RE NOT REAL BRICK, THEY'RE JUST A BRICK ON THE OUTSIDE WITH CEMENT BLOCK ON THE INSIDE? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THE NEXT ELEVATION, UH, THIS IS THE SIDE FACING, UH, BURN STREET.
GONNA GET A LITTLE BIT SMALLER SO THAT, THAT HAS SCREENING ON THE FOUNDATION, SO YES.
SO THE, THE HOUSE ITSELF, UM, DOES HAVE A FOUNDATION, TWO PORCHES WITH THE PIERS, AND THEN THE, UH, INFILL WITH BRICK.
SO ALL THAT IS BRICK ACROSS THERE, BUT THE INFILL IS RECESSED IN, UH, SLIGHTLY.
AND THEN WE CAN SEE WHEN WE GET TO THE BACK PORCH, UH, THE BACK PORCH IS OPEN.
DOES IT SAY THAT THE, THE INFILL BETWEEN THE PIERS IS RECESSED A BIT? UM, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT DESIGN REVIEW.
MAYBE IT'S ON ANOTHER VIEW OR NEEDS TO BE ADDED.
UH, THEN, OH, I SHOULD LET YOU GUYS KNOW, I PUT SOME WRITING PADS AT EACH ONE OF YOUR PLACES SO YOU CAN USE THE WRITING PADS TO MAKE ANY NOTES AS WE GO ALONG.
ALRIGHT, SO ON THIS SIDE, UM, LET'S START AT THE TOP AND WORK OUR WAY DOWN.
UM, ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES THAT ARE BLACK COLOR.
UM, THIS, UH, HAS A, UH, RIDGE VENT, UH, ACROSS THE TOP OF THE RIDGE.
THEN AS WE GET DOWN TO THE SOFFIT, UH, WE HAVE THE SOFFIT DETAIL WE SAW, UM, UP HERE AS WELL.
UM, BUT WITH A DIFFERENT ANGLED ROOF.
AND THEN, UH, WE ALSO HAVE THAT FREEZE BOARD ACROSS THE TOP.
UM, I'LL START WITH THE REAR SINCE WE DID THAT FIRST.
THEN THIS IS, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE PROFILE OF THE ROOFING ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE A PORTION OF THE HOUSE IS ONE STORY, UH, BEFORE IT GOES TO THE, UH, OUTDOOR SCREENED AREA.
THAT'S LIKE THE UTILITY ROOM I BELIEVE HERE.
AND REMEMBER THIS IS, UH, PUSHED BACK A COUPLE OF INCHES AT THE CORNER, REMEMBER FROM THE PLAN VIEW.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE THAT, UH, ALL THAT PROFILE GOING ON THERE.
YOU ALSO GET HERE A PROFILE VIEW OF THE HANDRAILS, UH, WITH THE NEW POST ON THE, UH, STEP THERE AND, UH, THE VIEW OF THIS, UH, SIDE VIEW OF THIS, UH, SHORT AMOUNT OF STEPS HERE.
SO, UM, WHAT ELSE? AND I THINK YOU SAID AT THAT THE MEETING, THIS WAS ABOUT A 30 INCH ELEVATION ABOVE GROUND? YEAH.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT IT'D BE? 30 OR LESS? YEAH.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE NO, UH, RAILING ON THE PORCH, UH, OUT FRONT.
UM, SO BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED AND CAN REMAIN OPEN, UH, WE CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE DETAILS OF THE COLUMNS AND THE BRACKETS, UH, FOR THE PORCH.
UM, AND THE SAME KIND OF DETAIL WORK FOR THE, UH, EDGES OF THE, THE SOFFITS AND EDGES OF THE, OF THE ROOF, UH, OF THE FRONT PORCH ROOF.
OH, DID I MAKE THAT MISTAKE OVER HERE?
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NO.I REFERRED TO THE REAR PORCH SLOPE WITH THE FRONT PORCH SLOPE, BUT THEY ARE INDEED THE SAME.
SO ON, ON THAT DRAWING, MAYBE SHOW SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TOO.
WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS? UM, YOU SAID, SAID THAT THE SAME, THAT'S UP THERE.
FIVE QUARTER AND FIVE AND A HALF QUARTER.
SO ON THE SIDE WE HAVE, UH, THESE TWO WINDOWS IN THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
ONE IS OUT FRONT IN THE FRONT ROOM.
UH, THEN WE, UH, TOWARDS THE BACK, THIS IS THE KITCHEN AREA.
THAT'S A KITCHEN WINDOW AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S A BIT SMALLER, BUT SAME PROPORTIONS, RIGHT? YOU CAN SEE IT'S NARROWER.
AND THEN, UH, THE BAY WINDOW HERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE SQUARE BAY.
IT'S NOT ONE OF WHAT WITH THE 45 DEGREE ANGLES, UH, BUT IT DOES STICK OUT, SO IT NEEDS A SPECIAL ROOF FOR IT.
AND SO THAT'S A THREE AND 12 ROOF.
UM, NOW, UH, I SUPPOSE THAT'S WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES, RIGHT? YES.
UH, THEN, UM, WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE REST THAT WE HAVE A SKIRT BOARD AT THE BOTTOM.
MISSED THE, UH, THE PANEL WORK UNDERNEATH THE BAY WINDOWS HERE, UM, IS TO BE A HARDY BOARD.
UM, HOWEVER, I'M NOT SURE HOW, AND, AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN EXPLAIN OR, UM, PROVIDE, UH, UH, SOME INFORMATION ABOUT HOW A HARDY BOARD PANEL ENDS UP WITH THE KIND OF BEV USUALLY BEVELING OR SOME KIND OF, UM, DETAIL WORK THAT PANELS GENERALLY HAVE, OR IT WON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF DETAIL.
IS THAT, I'M NOT SURE HOW, UM, OR IF HARDY BOARD CAN DO THAT.
UM, IT'D BE A HARDY BOARD PANEL WITH A TRIM DETAIL TO MAKE THAT FRAME JUST LIKE A LITTLE, A LITTLE PIECE OF TRIM INSIDE TO KIND OF GIVE IT THAT LOOK CORRECT, TO GIVE IT THE DETAIL.
SO THIS, UH, MIDDLE PANEL IS PROBABLY FLUSH WITH THE AREA AROUND THE EDGE, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU'RE BASICALLY ATTACHING A PIECE OF TRIM ON TOP OF IT, ON TOP OF THE WHOLE THING AND IT VOILA, MAGICALLY CREATES THE PANEL.
I THINK, OH, AND HERE THEY INDICATE THAT ALL WINDOWS ARE VINYL WHITE WINDOWS.
UH, THE SPACING ON THE UH, UH, STAIRWAY HANDRAILS IS THREE INCH, UM, BETWEEN THE PICKETS AND THEY ARE TWO BY TWO BALLISTERS OR PICKETS.
UM, AND, AND, AND ARE THOSE PRESSURE TREATED? YEAH.
SO WE, I'M SORRY, WHAT, WHAT'S THE MATERIAL ON THOSE? IS THAT A PRESSURE TREATED? PRESSURE TREATED? YEAH, SO THAT'S ALL WOOD.
AND UM, HOW ABOUT THE COLUMNS? I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT THE MATERIALS ON THE TURNED COLUMNS AND THEN THE, WELL ON THE REAR COLUMNS, THOSE ARE FOUR BY FOURS, SIX BY SIXES.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY'RE CALLED OUT AT SIX BY SIXES AND THEY'LL BE PRESSURE TREATED RIGHT IN THE DETAIL.
SO THOSE ARE WOOD NOW, HOW ABOUT THE TURNED COLUMNS? THEY WILL BE WOOD TOO.
I BELIEVE I GOT EVERYTHING ON THERE.
UH, EXCEPT THAT NOW WE KNOW THAT THE, UH, PANELS UNDER THE WINDOWS HERE ARE ALSO HARDY WITH THE WAY THAT HE DESCRIBED.
UM, THEN AS WE MOVE TO THE DRIVEWAY SIDE, WE'LL CALL IT RIGHT, THE LEFT ELEVATION, UH, HERE WITH THE ROOF, TYPICAL, SAME AS THE OTHER SIDE, SAME TRIM WORK, WE HAVE A STAIRWAY WINDOW, UH, HERE IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THEN WHERE WE USED, WHERE PREVIOUSLY, ORIGINALLY THERE WAS THE, UH, CHIMNEY.
THAT'S BEEN, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A NON, LIKE, WHAT'S IT CALLED IT, NON VENTLESS, NON VENTED, RIGHT? UM, FIREPLACE.
AND IT DOESN'T NEED THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE, UH, CHIMNEY.
SO, UH, THAT PUMP OUT IS SHOWN HERE.
NOW, UM, THIS WHITE RECTANGLE IS TO REPRESENT THE ROOF AT AN ANGLE.
SO I'M GONNA SLIDE THIS OVER SLIGHTLY AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
UH, ON FROM THE FRONT, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S BASICALLY A SHED ROOF ATTACHED TO OR ON TOP OF THAT BUMP OUT THERE.
UM, SO AS FAR AS DETAILING THERE, UH, PROBABLY SHOULD BE A, UH, FREEZE BOARD UNDERNEATH THERE.
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A LITTLE SOFFIT AND THEN A FREEZE BOARD UNDER THERE.UH, AND SAME THING ON THE SIDE, WHICH YOU SEE FROM THE FRONT.
PROBABLY WOULD HAVE ANOTHER, UH, FREEZE BOARD OR SOME KIND OF TRIM ANYWAY, UH, FOR BOTH THE SIDES.
AND THIS FRONT OF THAT, UM, FIREPLACE BUMP OUT.
UH, HERE THE CALLING OUT FOR THE CORNER IS THREE AND A HALF INCH HARDY TRIM, AND THEY SHOW IT ALSO ON THE SIDE AS WELL.
THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE ANOTHER ONE, UM, ON THE FRONT WHERE IT BUTTS INTO THE EXISTING, CORRECT? YEAH.
IT'D BE TRIMMED OUT TO MATCH THE HOUSE, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, AND THEN FOR THE BOTTOM, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SEE BELOW HERE THE, UM, THE SKIRT BOARD IS COMING ACROSS AND MEETING THERE.
WILL THAT SKIRT BOARD ESSENTIALLY WRAP AROUND THIS BUMP OUT? YES.
AND THEN BELOW THAT, ARE YOU EXPECT YOU'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF BRICK WORK THAT YOU HAVE ON THE REST OF THE HOUSE? CORRECT.
AND THAT WHERE WE SEE WHITE RIGHT NOW, BELOW THIS SIX FOOT DIMENSION AND OVER HERE TO THE CORNER, THAT WOULD ALSO BE BRICK UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE? IT'S NOT, CORRECT? YES.
UH, LET'S SEE THE WOOD SCREEN FENCE, UH, WHICH, UH, SURROUNDS THE, UH, UH, UTILITIES HERE.
SO THAT, SO THAT BUMP OUT FOR THE, THE VENTLESS.
SO WHEN THAT SHED ROOF COMES OUT AND IT BUMPS OUT, DOES THAT GO TIE BACK INTO THE FOUNDATION OR DOES IT GO THE WHOLE WAY TO THE GROUND? IT'LL TIE INTO THE FOUNDATION SO IT'LL COME BACK IN.
SO THERE'LL BE A, A SPACE UNDER THE BUMP OUT IF, YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
WHAT SUPPORTS THAT? IS THERE A SUPPORT UNDER, IS THERE LIKE A, OR IS IT JUST CANTILEVERED OUT FROM THE HOUSE? NO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING A BRICK FOUNDATION WITH THE PI BRICK.
JUST LIKE, SO THE BRICK COME OUT AND AROUND? YES.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU SAID.
I JUST WAS TRYING TO PICTURE THINGS.
BUT THAT REMINDS ME, UM, ON THE, UH, OTHER SIDE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE BAY WINDOW THOUGH, THAT IS, UH, SUSPENDED IN AIR.
CANTILEVER THE TWO FEET OR WHATEVER.
SO GOT THAT GUYS SIDE, IT LOOKS LIKE A, ALRIGHT, SO, UH, COMING AROUND, UH, THE HOUSE TO THE WOOD SCREEN FENCE HERE, UM, UM, WE JUST WOULD NEED TO HAVE THE, THE THREE INCH SPACE BETWEEN THE PICKETS THING OR SOME KIND OF REPRESENTATION OF THE DESIGN AS SOLID PANELS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE'LL NEED A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT YOU CAN JUST MAKE IT TO MATCH THE FRONT, THE THREE INCH IN BETWEEN ONE.
ALRIGHT, THEN ON THIS SIDE HERE, UM, UH, THE, UM, WHAT IS THAT? THAT IS, OH, I THINK THAT'S A BATHROOM, UH, ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE KITCHEN.
WELL, THESE TWO ROOMS ON THE SIDE HERE ACTUALLY EXTEND UP FARTHER THAN THE REST OF THE HOUSE, BUT ONLY ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND SO THAT CREATES THIS KIND OF ONE STORY, UM, WRAPAROUND, UH, LOOK HERE WITH THE, UH, THE ROOFING CONTINUING ALL THE WAY AROUND ON TOP OF THAT, UM, THE TWO SMALLER, UH, LARGER AND SMALLER WINDOWS.
UH, AND THEN THE SAME, THE REST OF THE SAME DETAILS HERE TOWARDS THE BACK FOR THE SCREEN SCREENED, UH, UH, PORCH.
ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE? GREGORY? UM, THE WINDOW TRIM VERTICAL THREE AND A HALF.
IS, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE OR HAVE WE DONE WIDER BEFORE? THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS, BUT, UM, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT, BUT, UH, YEAH, YOU CAN DISCUSS THAT LATER.
I GUESS IT'S SIX INCHES ON THE CORNER BOARDS ON HIS DRAWING.
RIGHT? SO, SO THE NEXT SHEET HAS SOME DETAILS, SO MAYBE THAT MIGHT CLEAR UP ANYTHING YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY STILL HAVE IN YOUR MIND THERE.
UM, SO I'LL JUST START WITH THE UPPER LEFT HERE.
UH, THIS IS OVER THE DOORS AND WINDOWS THAT, UM, THE TRIM IS ACTUALLY A HOOD OF SORTS OVER THAT.
THERE'S SOME FLASHING THAT'S AT AN ANGLE.
AND THEN THAT, UM, PROTECTS THE, UM, THE CROWN MOLDING.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS THE WORD I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF EARLIER.
THERE'S, UM, THEN THIS TRIM PIECE THAT'S, UH, LABELED AS HARDY BOARD, UH, FIVE QUARTER BY SIX AND THEN A FIVE QUARTER FIBER CEMENT TRIM, UH, BELOW THAT, UH, FOR THE ACTUAL, I GUESS, TRIM,
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UH, AROUND THE DOORS AND WINDOWS.UM, THEN, UH, TYPICAL WINDOW AND DOOR HEAD.
UM, OH, THE, I'M SORRY, THOSE, THIS FIRST ONE UP HERE WAS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION FOR THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
UH, THE WINDOWS HAVE THIS, UH, SMALLER HOOD OR OVER, UM, HOOD, UH, WITH SOME FLASHING ON IT, UH, WITH THESE VARIOUS PIECES.
THE TOP ONE IS, UM, LABELED AS WOOD AND THE BOTTOM ONE IS FIBER CEMENT.
AND THEN THE NEXT TYPICAL WINDOW AND DOOR JAM.
SO DOWN THE SIDES HERE, IT'S SHOWN AS FIVE QUARTER, UH, TRIM, UH, CEMENT FIBER, CEMENT TRIM, UH, AND THE WOOD SILL IS SHOWN BELOW THIS LINE HERE.
SO, UM, THE, SO THE, THE, THE WIDTH OF THEM IS PROVIDED IN THE ELEVATION, WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD THEN DISCUSS LATER.
UM, THE TYPICAL WINDOW SILL IS, UH, A BLOCK OF WOOD THAT'S BEEN CUT TO SLOPE AND WITH THE SLOT ACROSS THE BOTTOM, UM, FOR DRAINAGE.
AND THEN WE HAVE OVER HERE FOR THE, UH, FRONT WINDOWS, THERE'S THE PANELED, UH, WINDOWS SURROUND.
UH, SO HERE WE'RE SHOWING THE HARDY BOARD AGAIN FOR THE PANEL AND THE VARIOUS, UH, DIMENSIONS OF SOME OF THE PIECES.
THREE QUARTER INCH PANEL MOLD, THAT TRIM THAT RUNS AROUND THERE.
UM, LEAVING A ONE BY SIX RAIL, A FOUR BY FOUR SILL, AND A ONE BY, OH, SORRY, LEAVING A ONE BY SIX RAIL AT THE BOTTOM.
UH, THEN THIS IS THE ACTUAL WINDOW SILL, THE FOUR BY FOUR WINDOW SILL, AND THEN A LITTLE APRON UNTIL IT HITS THE FLOOR.
UH, THIS ALSO SHOWS, UH, THEY'RE INTENDING TO INCLUDE SOME, UH, SHUTTERS, WHICH AS WE KNOW WILL BE ACTUAL OPERATING SHUTTERS.
AND THEY'VE PROVIDED IN SEPARATE DOCUMENT, WE'LL SEE IN A MINUTE.
UH, THE, UH, DETAILS ABOUT THE HARDWARE.
UM, LET'S SEE, THAT'S IT ON THAT ONE.
UM, UH, THIS IS BE, BESIDES BEING CONSTRUCTION DETAIL SHOWS US SOME OF THE DETAILS AROUND THE FRONT EDGE OF THE PORCH, HOW IT, UM, EXTENDS OVER THE TRIM THAT'S ON THE FRONT, UH, WHICH IS THE LITTLE PIECE IS A ONE BY FOUR, UH, PRESSURE TREATED ONE BY FOUR.
AND THE ONE BELOW THAT IS PRESSURE TREATED TWO BY 12.
THEN, UM, AFTER THAT, OH, AND THEY ALSO CALL OUT THE FLOORING IS PRESSURE TREATED FIVE QUARTER BY FOUR DECK BOARD.
UM, WE MAY NEED TO, UM, DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT, UH, UH, THAT FLOORING NEEDS TO BE, BUT, OR T AND G.
UH, THEN THE NEXT ONE IS A TYPICAL WALL SECTION.
SO AROUND THE REST OF THE HOUSE, THE SKIRT BOARD HERE IS THE TALLER PIECE.
UM, I THINK THEY WHITE IT OUT THE SIZE OF IT, BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HARDY.
AND WE HAVE THAT ANGLED PIECE, WHICH IS A DRIP, A DRIP CAP, UM, OFF OF THE, FOR WHEN THE RAIN RUNS DOWN THE WALL, IT DRIPS OFF OF THIS DRIP CAP.
UM, AND IT AGAIN, DOESN'T PARTICULARLY SAY WHAT THE MATERIAL IS OR IF IT HAS FLASHING OR MAYBE THAT GOT WHITED OUT.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON THERE, WHAT, AND I, I KIND OF LOST IT THERE.
THE, UH, THE DECK BOARDS THEMSELVES? YEAH.
WHAT, WHAT ARE, ARE YOU, IS THAT WE'LL DO THE TONGUE AND GROOVE.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT SO WHAT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE LISTED IN THE APPLICATION IS, UH, AS A, JUST A, UM, SIDE BY SIDE DECK BOARD.
THAT'S PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW IF I DETAILED THAT.
SO, UM, YEAH, YOU CAN NAIL THAT DOWN LATER.
UH, SO I MAKE THIS BIGGER NOW.
UH, SO NOW THIS IS JUST A WALL SECTION WITH THE HARDY BOARD SIDING AND AT THE TOP OF THE WALLS, UM, IT SHOWS A HARDY FREEZE BOARD, UH, TWO BY IN SECTION, UH, AND THEN THE SOFFIT AND THE CROWN MOLDING AND THE ROOF, UH, DETAIL AT ITS END THERE, UM, WITH NO GUTTERS OR ANY OF THAT.
SO TWO AND 12 BY 12 PITCH, I THINK THAT WAS EVERYTHING ON THAT PAGE.
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UM, AS YOU HAVE THE GABLES ON THE END, THAT OVERHANG THE WALL, THAT'S CALLED THE RAKE ALONG THAT, THOSE TWO DIAGONALS.AND SO ALONG THERE THERE'S A METAL DRIP EDGE, THERE'S A TWO BY THREE WOOD TRIM TO HOLD THAT UP, AND THEN A ONE BY 10 WOOD TRIM, UH, ALONG THE FACE THAT'S STRUCTURAL ON THE INSIDE.
LASTLY, IN PLANS, UM, THEY'RE SHOWING US THE, UH, UM, ELECTRICAL PLAN.
AND OF ANY PARTICULAR NOTE HERE IS THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING.
UH, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING SOME PLUS TWO, UH, FANS ON THE FRONT PORCH.
UH, SO WE HAVE TWO LIGHTS ON, UH, ONE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE FRONT DOORS, THEN ON THE BACK, UM, THERE'S NONE SHOWN AROUND ON THE OUTSIDE, ON THE BACK.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S JUST THE OVERALL ROOF PLAN.
SO, SO THERE'S NOT ANY EXTERIOR LIGHTING ON, ON THE OUTSIDE, ON THE DRIVEWAY SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE? JUST ON THE FRONT DOOR, YES.
ON EACH SIDE OF THE FRONT DOOR? CORRECT.
SO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'VE, UH, PROVIDED FOR US SINCE THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, UH, IS THAT THE WINDOWS WILL HAVE THE 3D WINDOW GRID.
UM, THE EXTERIOR DOORS ARE FIBERGLASS AND SMOOTH.
UH, THE EXTERIOR IS SMOOTH, HEARTY.
UM, THE SHINGLES ARE BLACK IN COLOR AND THE, UH, LIGHTS, THE EXTERIOR LIGHTS WILL HAVE WHITE LIGHT BULBS.
UH, THOSE WERE JUST THE EASILY ENUMERATED ONES OR LISTED.
UH, THIS IS, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT THE EXTERIOR SINGLE DOORS.
UM, MY QUESTION WAS, UM, IS THIS FOR THE E EACH PANEL THAT WE, WE SEE TWO DOORS HERE.
IS THIS FOR EACH PANEL ON THE FRONT? NO, IT'S, IS IT A TWO PANEL DOOR? NO, IT'S ONE FRONT DOOR AND ONE REAR DOOR.
IT LOOKS LIKE TWO, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST ONE DOOR.
I REMEMBER SEEING THAT NOW ON THE PLAN.
SO YES, ONE'S THE FRONT AND ONE'S THE REAR.
SO, AND WE, WHAT WE CAN SEE HERE IS, LIKE YOU SAID, UM, IT'S A FIBERGLASS, UH, FOR BOTH OF THOSE.
UM, AND, UM, LET'S SEE, I SHOULD MAYBE MAKE THIS BIGGER IN CASE ANYONE WANTS TO ACTUALLY SEE THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, PIXELATED.
BUT, UH, YOU CAN MAKE OUT MOST OF WHAT IT SAYS.
THE NEXT PAGE IS NOW ABOUT THE SHUTTERS.
AND THE ISSUE HERE WOULD BE PRIMARILY THAT THEY'RE THE RIGHT SIZE.
UM, HERE THEY'RE CALLING OUT 15 INCHES, UH, FOR THE WIDTH OF THEM AND, UH, 84 INCHES IN HEIGHT.
SO IF YOU RE, LET'S LOOK UP AT THE, UM, THE FLOOR PLAN.
AND UM, THESE ARE TWO FOOT EIGHT BY SIX FOOT SIX.
AND SO TWO FOOT EIGHT AND A 15 INCH SHUTTER IS, UH, ALMOST EXACTLY AT LEAST.
SO YOU ALSO HAVE SOME ROOM, UH, SOME PLAY WITH THE, THE FRAMING AND ALL OF THAT.
UH, AND 66, I MEAN, SORRY, SIX FOOT SIX IS, UM, SEVEN FEET.
SEVEN FEET, WHAT? 84 OR SEVEN FEET IF YOU'RE GOING FOR THIS.
SO THERE ARE A LITTLE BIT LONG, BUT ISN'T THERE LIKE A PANEL UNDERNEATH THEM OR SOMETHING? YES, THERE IS, BUT THE PANEL'S MUCH LARGER THAN A FOOT.
SO, UM, WE'LL NEED TO VERIFY THAT THAT'S GOING TO WORK, UH, APPROPRIATELY.
CAN YOU GO TO THAT FRONT ELEVATION AGAIN? YEP.
YEAH, TAKE DID ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND.
SO YEAH, THEY NEED TO BE AS TALL AS THAT, WHICH IS AS TALL AS ONE.
IT SAYS EIGHT FOOT FOUR OVER HERE.
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THE SHUTTERS DON'T GO, HAVE TO GO THE WHOLE WAY TO THE GROUND.THEY CAN JUST COVER THE WINDOW SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COVER THE PANELS.
SO I CAN JUST, AS LONG AS GO BACK TO 78 INCHES INSTEAD OF WHATEVER THE WINDOW IS.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CREATED A NEW ORLEANS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND.
I LIKE, SO IT'S A DESIGN PREFERENCE AND SO YOU CAN KEEP 'EM LONGER.
AND THAT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A LITTLE RIGHT.
WE JUST, THAT WAS THE TALLEST SHUTTER THAT WE COULD FIND.
BUT, BUT IT DOESN'T GO, IT'S NOT THAT 84 IS NOT GONNA DO IT.
84 IS GONNA GO ONLY ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THAT PANEL NOW.
I'LL JUST LOOK OUT OUT OF, YEAH, OUT OF WHAT? SO I GUESS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING SHOULD BE ONE OR THE OTHER.
WE CAN GO BACK TO THE 78 INCH MARK.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE SAYING FROM THE STYLE WISE THAT LONGER ONE'S COOL.
BUT IF YOU CAN'T GET THE PANEL THEN DON'T, DON'T GO HALFWAY DOWN THE RIGHT.
THERE'S ALWAYS CUSTOM, CUSTOM COST
UH, SO, SO MATT, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT MR. APPLICANT, WHAT SIZE SHUTTER, WHAT DIMENSIONS ARE YOU GOING WITH FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS APPLICATION? UM, WINDOWS, THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS IS 78 INCHES.
SO THEN WE WOULD SCALE BACK TO 78 INCHES.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ABOUT, BUT STILL 15 INCHES WIDE.
THE ANSWER WE WERE LOOKING FOR THERE,
ALRIGHT, UH, THEN, UH, THIS IS THE HARDWARE.
WE HAVE THE, UM, THE, THE L HINGE AND THE PINS AND THE, UH, SHUTTER DOGS HERE.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THESE MIDDLE PIECES ARE IN HERE.
WHAT IS THAT FOR? IS THAT THE, UH, THAT'S AN ENFORCEMENT CLEAT? YEAH, A FRENCH BRACKET.
IT SAYS, UM, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT YOU HAND ON THE HOUSE TO REINFORCE IT, TO HOLD THEM IN PLACE PERHAPS.
UM, ALRIGHT THEN, UH, THIS IS THE SECTION FOR THE BACK PORCH.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO THE BACK PORCH, THE SCREEN PORCH.
UM, THIS SHOWS A SIX BY SIX POST, THE TWO BY SIX, UM, MIDRAIL HERE.
UH, AND THEN THE SCREEN IS ATTACHED TO THE INSIDE.
WE'LL HAVE A DETAIL ACTUALLY OF THIS ON THE NEXT SHEET.
SO THE, UH, SNAP TRACK SCREEN, UM, THEY HAVE TWO OPTIONS.
ONE IS ON THE OUTSIDE AND ONE IS ON THE INSIDE.
AND HE CIRCLED THE ONES FOR THE INSIDE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE DETAIL HERE FOR THAT.
UM, THEY ADD A, UM, TWO BY TWO TRIM, UH, ON THE CORNERS, UH, SO THEY CAN ATTACH IT ON THE INSIDE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE, UH, SCREEN DOOR, WOOD SCREEN DOOR.
UM, THESE ARE S THE MORE THE DETAILS FOR THAT.
IS IT, UH, ON THE BACK, IS THAT A, A SINGLE SCREEN OR IS THAT A DOUBLE SCREEN DOOR? JUST A SINGLE SCREEN DOOR.
I THOUGHT FOR SOME LOOKS DOUBLE IN THE PLANS.
YEAH, THE PLAN SHOWS A DOUBLE, BUT WE WERE GONNA DO A SINGLE.
SO THAT'LL NEED TO BE CHANGED TOO.
THEN WE HAVE, UM, JUST SOME MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT WOOD DOOR, THREE AND A HALF INCH STYLES AND RAILS.
UM, MECHANICAL FASTENER AND DELL CONSTRUCTION.
ANYTHING ELSE WE CARE ABOUT YOUR, NOPE.
AND SOME MORE OF THE ACTUAL SPECIFIC DETAILS.
HOW BIG IT IS, HOW LONG IT IS, HOW WIDE IT IS, HOW THICK IT IS.
AND THEN THAT'S IT FOR THE INFORMATION.
UM, WHEN YOU GUYS ARE READY, UM, I HAVE THE STAFF REPORT READY TO GO.
ANYTHING, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? NO.
UM, I THINK I MADE A NOTE ON THE REAR ELEVATION OF A SINGLE REAR DOOR FOR THE SCREEN.
ON THE POINT I DIDN'T SEE THAT, BUT THAT, UM, AND SHUTTERS ARE ONLY GONNA BE ON THE FRONT FACE OF THE YES, JUST THOSE TWO WINDOWS.
YEAH, JUST THOSE TWO ON THE FRONT.
YEAH, TWO WINDOWS ON THE FRONT.
SO WE HAVE NO AUDIENCE SO WE CAN DISPENSE WITH ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FROM.
OH, SO SEE ON THE PLAN HERE, HE'S ERASED THE DOUBLE DOORS AND AT MADE THIS LOOK LIKE A SINGLE DOOR HERE AND THEN I GUESS ON THE ELEVATION.
THE ELEVATION LOOKS LIKE TWO DOORS WITH IT ACTUALLY SHOWS TWO SWINGS, SO THAT WOULD NEED TO REVISED AS WELL.
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UH, OH.AND HERE HE SAYS SINGLE 3 0 6 8 WOOD SCREEN DOOR.
SO MR. CHAIR, JUST SO THE RECORD IS CLEAR, UM, IF WE CAN NOTE THAT THE APPLICATION FOR THE COA PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT, THE SITE PLANS, FLOOR PLANS, PHOTOGRAPHS, ELEVATIONS, AND ALL THE SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN REVIEWED ON THE SCREEN TONIGHT ARE A PART OF THE RECORD, INCLUDING, UM, STAFF'S REPORT THAT HE'S GETTING READY TO PRESENT.
AND I'VE GOT SOME NOTES AS WELL TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING I THOUGHT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT AGREED.
ONE OBJECTION THAT HE, UH, AGREES THAT THE PRESENTATION IS, IS PRESENT OR DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
WITH THAT, MR. SHELLEY, IF YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OH, OKAY.
UH, THE, UH, THIS STAFF REPORT IS, UH, QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN PREVIOUS ONES.
UH, AND IT LOOKS VERY EXTENSIVE, BUT, UM, I WON'T BE READING ALL OF IT.
IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU GUYS? I, I'VE INCLUDED NOT ONLY THE USUAL ENUMERATED STANDARDS, BUT ALSO THE EXPLANATORY PRINCIPLES FOR THOSE STANDARDS.
AND AS USUAL, I HAVE LEFT OUT PORTIONS OF THE PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS THAT ARE NOT SO RELEVANT TO THIS APPLICATION.
AS I REVIEWED THE APPLICATION, A FEW ITEMS SEEMED TO NEED SOME EXTRA ATTENTION.
THE LARGEST ONES ARE THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING TO BURN STREET AND THE CHIMNEY REVISION, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS AND I POINTED THEM OUT AS WE WENT THROUGH.
UH, SO IN, I INTEND TO READ ONLY THE PORTIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST TO YOU AS YOU CONSIDER AND DELIBERATE ON THIS PROJECT, AND THOSE PORTIONS ARE HIGHLIGHTED.
SO THANK GOODNESS I WILL NOT BE READING EVERYTHING.
SOME OF THESE HIGHLIGHTED PORTIONS WILL BE ACCOMPANIED BY SHORT COMMENTARY.
HOWEVER, UH, AND REALIZING YOU HAD LIMITED TIME TO LOOK IT OVER BEFORE THE MEETING, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU WILL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO READ THE ENTIRETY OF THE STAFF REPORT FOR YOURSELVES PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
UH, AS USUAL, YOU CAN USE ANY OF THE REPORT FOR YOUR MOTION.
SO WITH NO FURTHER ADO, UM, THIS IS THE STAFF REPORT FOR ALL SQUARE ENTERPRISE LLC, UM, AND JOHN ROSENBAUM, UH, WHOSE ADDRESS IS 1 75 SALTY SHORE POINT DRIVE, NEWPORT, NORTH CAROLINA.
THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS SEVEN 19 NEW STREET, UH, AND IT IS ON A VACANT LOT.
UH, SO THEREFORE THERE'S NOTHING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY OR THE SAND BACK DESCRIPTION FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE ONE NEW, ONE AND A HALF STORY NEW INFILL HOUSE ON A VACANT LOT, AND STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, FORMALLY KNOWN AS THE GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION.
SO, UM, IN SECTION SITE AND SETTING, AND WE'LL SKIP DOWN THROUGH ALL OF THAT TO UTILITIES.
UM, JUST TO REITERATE THAT, UH, THE, UM, LOCATING EQUIPMENT IN SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS IS REQUIRED AND SCREEN THE ITEMS FROM PUBLIC VIEW WITH VEGETATION FENCING AND SIMILAR SITE CONSTRUCTIONS WITH THE ORIENTATION THAT THEY'VE, UH, CHOSEN FOR THIS, UM, PARTICULAR LOT.
UH, THAT SEEMS TO BE OKAY OR SEEMS TO BE THE CASE HERE.
THEN, UH, WHEN WE GET INTO SOME OF THE PRINCIPLES, WE HAVE PROPORTION WITH REGARD TO FACADE PROPORTIONS HAVE A STRONG VERTICAL ORIENTATION, INFILL CONSTRUCTION SHOULD RESPECT THESE CHARACTERISTICS.
SO FOR ANYONE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UM, LACK OF THE CHIMNEY, UH, WE HAVE ROOF EXPRESSION.
UM, WE TALK ABOUT CORNICES, PARAPETS TOWERS, CUPOLAS, AND OTHER ROOFTOP PCES THAT UNIQUELY IDENTIFIES EACH BUILDING AND DERIVING, UH, THEIR CHARACTER FROM ARTICULATED FRONT PORCHES, ENTRY DOORS AND WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS FOR TEXTURE.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT ROOFS, PORCHES, BAYS, CHIMNEYS, DECORATIVE EXTERIOR TRIM, SIDING AND WINDOWS ARTICULATE BUILDING FACADES AND CREATE VISUAL INTEREST FOR THE DETAILS.
UH, INFILL CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS THIS CASE IN PARTICULAR, SHOULD ALLOW ARCHITECTURAL STYLES TO EVOLVE WHILE INCORPORATING ESTABLISHED DETAILS THAT CHARACTERIZE NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
CONTEMPORARY AND COMPATIBLE DESIGN IS ENCOURAGED, HOWEVER, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT ADDITIONS AND INFILL CONSTRUCTION REFLECT AND REINTERPRET TRADITIONAL BUILDING DETAILING THEN
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IN THE STA IN THE STANDARDS PORTION 3.1 0.5.UH, WE SAY TO AVOID CREATING A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORICAL DEVELOPMENT, IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO APPLY HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL STYLES TO INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
UH, CREATIVE INTERPRETATION OF TRADITIONAL DETAILING AND ORNAMENTATION IS ENCOURAGED.
SO THIS MAY BE, UM, WHERE YOU MAY BE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, MODIFICATIONS TO THE OTHERWISE, UM, VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD VICTORIAN PLAN THAT WAS, UH, THAT THEY HAVE MODIFIED OR DESI AND DESIGN PLAN AND DESIGN.
SO FOR INFILL CONSTRUCTION, UH, INFILL CONSTRUCTION CONTRIBUTES TO THE ARCHITECTURAL EVOLUTION OF THE STREETSCAPE AND INFILL STRUCTURE SHOULD REFLECT ITS TIME OF DESIGN.
THE INTENT IS TO GUIDE CHANGE THAT PROTECTS OF THE, OKAY.
THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINES IS TO GUIDE CHANGE THAT PROTECTS AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
UH, UH, THE APPLICANTS AND YOU ARE TO EVALUATE THE CONTEXT AND SENSITIVITY OF THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND SHAPE INFILL CONSTRUCTION TO POSITIVELY IMPACT THE OVERALL DISTRICT.
CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS MAY BE USED ON INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
THEY ARE TO BE APPROPRIATELY PROPORTIONED USED IN TRADITIONAL WAYS AND INSTALLED IN A TRADITIONAL MANNER.
UM, I NOTED THAT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY VENTS ON THIS AND I WASN'T QUITE SURE.
UM, DID, DID YOU SAY, UH, YOU'RE PLANNING ON A SEALED CRAWL? WHAT? A SEALED CRAWL? THE FOUND A SEALED CRAWL SPACE.
SO, UH, SO HE DOESN'T WANT VINCE BECAUSE HE'S TRYING TO, UM MM-HMM
CONTROL THE ATMOSPHERE IN THE CRAWL SPACE AND IT'S NOT IN THE FLOOD ZONE.
WE WENT OVER THAT AT DESIGN, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, UM, UNDER WALSTROM AND ORNAMENTATION, UM, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE CLAPBOARD SIDING SHOWN HERE, AND THE VARIOUS CORNICE TYPES ARE ALSO SHOWN, UM, BUT ALSO TALKS ABOUT HISTORIC STRUCTURES DISPLAY A VARIETY OF DECORATIVE ELEMENTS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE VISUAL WRITTEN RICHNESS OF THE ARCHITECTURE COLUMNS.
CORNICES DOORS, WINDOWS, SAW WORK, SHINGLES, BASTS, CLAPBOARDS FLOORS AND BRACKETING ARE ELEMENTS THAT COLLECTIVELY DEFINE THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE HARDY PANELS UNDER THE WINDOWS, UH, AND THEN THE LOCATION OF THE SHUTTER HARDWARE ATTACHMENT, UM, WAS NOT SPECIFICALLY DETAILED.
UM, SO, UM, WE SHOULD PROBABLY, UH, ASK THE APPLICANT TO CLARIFY WHERE THEY'RE PLANNING ON ATTACHING THE HARDWARE.
THEN FOR THE ENTRANCES, EXTRA ENTRANCES AND PORCHES ARE DEFINING FEATURES OF HISTORIC CHARACTER.
DOORS, WINDOWS, TRIMS, COLUMNS, TURN POSTS, RAILINGS AND BALLISTERS CORNICES AND STEPS WERE FREQUENTLY DETAILED IN A COORDINATED WAY TO CONVEY THE STYLE OF A STRUCTURE.
SO TRADITIONAL PORCH, UH, WOOD FLOORBOARDS ARE MILLED WITH THE TONGUE AND GROOVE GROOVE, JOINT FLOORBOARD ENDS ARE LAID PERPENDICULAR TO THE HOUSE AND PROJECTED APPROXIMATELY ONE TO TWO INCHES BEYOND THE SKIRT BOARD.
WE SAW THAT IN THE DETAILS AND SLOPED FOR DRAINAGE.
THAT WAS ALSO NOTED ON THE PLANS.
UM, TURN POSTS GAINED WIDESPREAD USE DURING THE QUEEN ANNE PERIOD OF THE VICTORIAN STYLE IN THE LATE 19TH AND EARLY 20TH CENTURIES, CEILINGS OF PORCHES.
NOW, UH, YES, I DID SEE THERE WAS A NOTE THAT THE PORCH CEILINGS WERE, UM, BEAD BEADED BOARDS THAT WERE BUTTED, UH, BUTTED TOGETHER, RIGHT? NOT, NOT TONGUE AND GROOVE.
UM, I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT, AND I GUESS MAYBE THAT WAS JUST NOT, YES, IT WAS NOTED AT ONE PLACE, UH, LATER IN THE 19TH CENTURY, TONGUE AND GROOVE BEADED BOARD CAME, BECAME POPULAR AND REMAINED SO THROUGHOUT THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY, UH, ROOFS.
SO WE DO HAVE, WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE AN EXISTING, UH, HISTORIC, UH, BUILDING, UH, WE REQUIRE THAT, UH, UH, ROOFTOP ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, UH, SUCH AS CHIMNEYS ARE TO BE RETAINED.
SO THIS IS DIFFERENT IN THIS CASE, THIS IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION.
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YOU CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A RELEVANT, UM, UH, STANDARD.SO UNDER THE METAL SECTION, THE ONLY, THE ONLY AREA I SAW, UM, THE USE OF METALS WAS ACTUALLY THE HOLD BACK, THE HINGES AND HOLD, HOLD BACKS FOR THE SHUTTERS.
UM, AND SO WE DO SAY THAT WHEN YOU'RE USING IRON AND STEEL, THAT IT'D BE FULL WELD, UH, FABRICATION TECHNIQUE AND THAT THE WELDS BE PROPERLY DRESSED OR GROUND SMOOTH, OR IF THEY'RE ALUMINUM, UM, THEY SHOULD HAVE WELDED JOINTS OR BLIND MECHANICAL CONNECTIONS.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE PARTICULAR PIECES, UM, ARE JUST SIMPLY CAST, UH, IN THAT FORM OR IF THEY ARE WELDED TOGETHER, UM, TO DO THAT.
AND IF SO, THEN WHETHER THEY'RE DRESSED OR GROUND SMOOTH, UM, WE CAN MAYBE ASK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN GETTING CLOSE TO THE END HERE FOR PAINT 5.4, 0.3 AND FOUR, UH, FOR TO APPLY PRIMER COATINGS TO THE FRONT AND BACK WOOD SURFACES PRIOR TO CUTTING AND FITTING AND PRIME ENDS, END CUTS BEFORE INSTALLATION, FLY FINISHED PAINT COATS, COATINGS TO EXPOSED PRIMED SURFACES.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS TO CONSIDER USING OPAQUE STAIN IN LIEU OF PAINT ON FLOORING, FENCING, AND SIMILAR WOOD SURFACES EXPOSED TO FOOT TRAFFIC OR WEATHER.
AND SO WE SHOULD GET A NOTE ON THE PLANS THAT EXPLAIN, UM, ONE OR THE OTHER OR BOTH, AND WHERE THOSE WOULD BE A APPLICABLE.
CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS SHALL BE SIMILAR TO THEIR COUNTERPARTS TRADITIONALLY FOUND ON HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
USE OF CONTEMPORARY AND NON-TRADITIONAL MATERIALS FOR INFILL CONSTRUCTION IS AN ACCEPTABLE MEANS OF CONTINUING THE EVOLUTION OF ARCHITECTURE THROUGH TIME, PROVIDED THEY CONVEY APPROPRIATE HISTORIC CHARACTERISTICS.
SO IN, UH, CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, WE HAVE THESE FIVE, BUT THREE OF WHICH TO HIGHLIGHT.
UH, ONE IS IN GENERAL, CONTEMPORARY MATERIAL SHALL MATCH THE DIMENSION, SHAPE AND TEXTURE OF THE COUNTERPARTS COMMONLY FOUND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
UH, THIS IS WHY WE ASK FOR SMOOTH HARDY BOARD SIDING, UH, AMONG OTHER THINGS.
SO SECONDLY, USE CONTEMPORARY AND NON-TRADITIONAL MATERIALS IN TRADITIONAL WAYS.
APPLY MATERIALS IN A TRADITIONAL MANNER THAT CONVEYS THE SAME VISUAL APPEARANCE AS HISTORIC MATERIALS.
AS I WAS LOOKING TODAY THROUGH, UH, UM, SOME INFORMATION I SAW THAT, UM, UH, HOME DEPOT WAS SELLING HARDY BOARD, UH, AND THEY WERE, UH, SUGGESTING AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD FOR TRIM WHERE HARDY BOARD AND TRIM MEET, UM, WHEREBY THE TRIM JUST OVERLAPS ON TOP OF THE HARDY BOARD.
UH, AND SO THAT WOULD NOT BE THE SAME, UH, SAME WAY THAT TRADITIONAL MATERIALS WHERE THE PARTY BOARD, WHERE THE SIDING BUTTS INTO THE TRIM.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING MAYBE TO ALSO, UM, CHECK ON.
THEN, UH, CONTEMPORARY AND NON-TRADITIONAL MATERIALS SHOULD CONVEY APPROPRIATE HISTORIC MATERIAL CHARACTERISTICS AND WILL BE EVALUATED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS FOR APPEARANCE, DIMENSION, TEXTURE, COLOR, SHEEN, VISUAL WEIGHT, AND SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS FOR THIS ONE.
UM, IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT, UH, THERE ARE, UH, OR TO I RESEARCHED, UH, TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WERE, UH, THICKER VERSIONS OF HARDY BOARD SIDING, UH, THAN WE HAVE SEEN IN PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, OF WHAT NOT TO DO, UH, WITH HARDY BOARD.
SO, UM, UH, I DID FIND THAT THERE ARE, AND SO, UM, YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK AND SEE WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE THICKNESS OF YOUR, OF THE HARDY BOARDS PRESENTED HERE MIGHT BE.
UM, ALSO CHECKING, I THINK, UM, WHAT THESE, UH, CHECK WITH, UH, TRIP, UH,
AND HE SAID THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH.
UM, AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE HAD MENTIONED THAT, UH, SOMETIMES THE OLDEST WOOD IS MORE LIKE HALF AN INCH.
UH, TURNS OUT THE STANDARD PARTY BOARD THAT YOU BUY AT HOME DEPOT AND LOWE'S, ALL OF IT IS A THIRD OF AN INCH.
SO 0.3 INCHES INSTEAD OF 0.5 OR 0.75.
UM, AND SO ACTUALLY ANOTHER WEBSITE HAD INDICATED THAT, UH, ANYTHING LESS THAN HALF AN INCH WAS BASICALLY INTERIOR MATERIAL, WHICH MIGHT EXPLAIN A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS PEOPLE HAVE HAD WITH IT.
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UM, THESE NORMAL SUGGESTED FINDINGS OF FACT AND, UH, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO, UH, ALTER THAT SECTION THERE IN NUMBER TWO.AND THEN I ALSO HAVE, UH, THE FIRST, UH, SUGGESTED CONDITION, UM, WITH THE EMPHASIS ON INCLUDING PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION SO THAT THEY CAN PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT, UM, WITHOUT, UH, BEING HELD UP BY SOME OF THESE, UH, LITTLE DETAILS.
UM, AND THEN I'VE ADDED A BRAND NEW, UH, CONDITION, SUGGESTED CONDITION FOR SITUATIONS THAT ARISE AFTER, UH, AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING.
AND, UM, THE APPROVAL, IF THERE IS ONE, UM, THAT ANYTHING, ANY CHANGES BE SUBMITTED, UH, TO US, UH, BEFORE THEY DO THEM.
AND THAT'S THE END OF OUR REPORT.
UH, DISCUSSION BY THE MEMBERS.
ANY COMMENTS? I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE, BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THE GREEN MATRIX.
WE'VE TALKED A GOOD DEAL ABOUT, UH, PLACEMENT.
SO NOW THE, THE BAY WINDOW FACES BARB STREET, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS FACING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION ON THE OTHER, UH, PROPERTY LINE LANDSCAPING.
WE PROBABLY WILL NEED A LANDSCAPING PLAN AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
UH, WE'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU, BUT YOU WILL NEED TO GET BACK TO MATT WITH THAT.
THERE'S NO FENCES OR GARDEN WALLS, THERE'S NO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
YOUR PARKING, UH, WAS DETAILED ON THE PLAN.
SO NOW WE GET TO DESIGN ATTRIBUTES.
ANY COMMENTS ON SCALE, MASS OR PROPORTION BY ANY MEMBERS? I THINK, UH, I THINK THIS FITS WELL WITH, UM, WITH OTHER, UM, STRUCTURES, UH, WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
UH, THIS IS, UH, WANNA SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE.
UH, THIS IS, UH, YEAH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, UH, STYLE OF, UH, STRUCTURE FOR THAT BLOCK, BUT THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL IN, IN NEW BERN.
IN FACT, ON, UH, THE 600 BLOCK, THE ADJACENT BLOCK, UH, THERE IS A COLONIAL REVIVAL HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT ACROSS FROM SOME FAIRLY SIMPLE SIDE HALL HOUSES.
UH, I MEAN, IT IS JUST A DEVELOPMENT STYLE OF, OF NEWBURN.
AND I THINK THIS FITS IN WITH THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT STYLE.
I I THINK THAT THIS IS A, A PROJECT THAT REALLY FITS WELL INTO THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND I COMMEND YOU FOR PUTTING SOME OF THESE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS INTO THIS, UM, APPLICATION.
WELL, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, THE WIDTH OF THE, THE WIDTH OF THE WINDOW.
IS THAT FOUR STANDARD OR WE'RE USING FIVE AND THREE QUARTER? I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYTHING IN THE GUIDELINE THAT REQUIRES THREE STANDARDS, NOTHING STANDARD VERSUS FOUR.
AND THEN, UM, WELL, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFICS, BUT YOU HAVE THE CORRECT THING ABOUT BEING CONSISTENT WITH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE TYPICAL OR APPROPRIATE FOR THE STYLE OF THE DESIGN OR THE, YES.
SO I KNOW GOT THE HEADBOARD, THE HORIZONTAL, THICKER AND THE SIDES ARE THINNER.
TYPICALLY WE, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S CONSISTENTLY, UH, THE SAME, WELL, IT THE SAME OR TYPICALLY WE MAYBE A FOUR INCH ON THE SIDE.
THE HEADER IS VERY OFTEN LARGER AS AS WELL AS THE BOTTOM.
SO WITH FOUR, FOUR INCH, THE, THE CORNERS ARE SIX, THE CORNERS ARE SIX.
BUT THE VERTICAL WAS A LITTLE THIN.
ANYBODY ELSE THINK IT NEEDS TO BE BROADER THAN THREE AND A HALF? HAVE A NO.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SAY JOHN? ABOUT, ABOUT THE THREE AND A HALF VERSUS A FOUR? THE, THE DETAILING ON THERE IS APPROPRIATE IN SCALE.
UM, IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL DETAILING WHERE YOU'VE GOT A, WHERE YOU'VE GOT A LARGER HEAD.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY INCONSISTENCIES THERE.
IT'S, IT'S A BUSY FRONT, BUT NOT IN A BAD WAY.
I THINK IT FITS TO HAVE A SMALL, I NORMALLY WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.
I, I THINK THE THREE AND A HALF FITS OKAY.
WITH, WITH THE DESIGN IN THIS.
UM, I COULD GO EITHER WAY ON, ON A WIDER OR, OR STAY WITH THREE AND A HALF YOUR THOUGHTS THAT IT AT A ANOTHER
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INCH OR HALF INCH WOULD, WOULD, UH, BE BETTER OR YOU WANT TO GO SOMETHING EVEN BROADER.BUT THREE AND A HALF IS MORE LIKE INTERIOR, UM, NEW CONSTRUCTION.
BUT ANYWAYS, AND THEN, UH, THE, UH, FLOORING ON THE FRONT PORCH, TONGUE AND GROOVE OR BUTT TOGETHER, UH, THINK DOES IT MATTER WHICH ONE YOU WANT TO DO? SO I JUST BROUGHT THAT UP.
YOU MENTIONED TONGUE AND GROOVE.
YEAH, I THINK I WOULD RATHER PUT THE TONGUE AND GROOVE.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA LAST A LOT LONGER AND BE A LOT CLEANER AND HISTORICAL LOOK LOOKS GREAT AND WE COMMEND YOU, BUT YEAH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
AND THEN THE, UM, FANS ON THE FRONT PORCH, THEY HAVE LIGHTS WITH THEM NO.
SO ANYTHING WITH THE FOUNDATION, THE ENTRANCES, WINDOWS, DOORS, OPENINGS, HAVE A WOOD DOOR ON THE BACK.
WE HAVE A FIBERGLASS DOORS ON THE DOOR ON THE FRONT.
UH, NO, I KNOW THAT, UH, WE DISCUSSED THE SKIRT BEING SET BACK FROM THE YEAH.
FOUNDATION PEERS AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN NOTED.
AND YOU MEAN THE INFILL BETWEEN THE PIERS, CORRECT? YES.
SO THAT'LL, AND IT IS SMOOTH HARDY BOARD, CORRECT? YES.
SO, SO HERE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT WE, WE'VE SAID AND AGREED TO.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THESE ARE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE, THE RE A BIT OF A RECESS IN THAT INFILL BRICK WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU'VE AGREED OR HAVE SAID THAT THE WOOD ON THE BALLISTERS, THE COLUMNS, UM, ON BOTH THE FRONT AND BACK, THAT'S ALL GONNA BE WOOD.
UM, THAT THERE'S GONNA BE, HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF TRIM ON THAT SHED ROOF OR THE, THE ONE THAT GOES OVER THE, UH, VENTLESS.
THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOMETHING, RIGHT? I KNOW THE PLANTS DON'T SHOW, BUT THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ON THERE.
THE, THE SCREENING, UM, AROUND THE UTILITIES, YOU HAVE TO SHOW KIND OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
THAT THREE INCH, YOU COULD HAVE IT MATCH THE FRONT IF, IF THAT, IF THAT WORKS.
UM, UM, I THINK AS, AS GREG SAID, THAT THE DECK COULD BE JUST THE, THE BUTT EDGE OR IT COULD BE TONGUE AND GROOVE, UM, WHICHEVER, UM, I, I THINK WE'RE GOOD EITHER WAY, BUT, UH, NEEDS TO BE, IS IT GONNA BE PAINTED OR, OR, OR STAINED? IT'D PROBABLY BE STAINED JUST BECAUSE OF THE WEAR AND TEAR.
I MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE RIGHT.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE SAID THAT, OR AT LEAST MOST OF US HAVE SAID THAT THE WINDOW TRIM SIZE IS OKAY AT THREE AND A HALF.
UM, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE SHUTTERS.
THAT'S GONNA BE WINDOW SIZE UNLESS YOU CAN FIND THE ONES THAT GO THE WHOLE WAY, THE WHOLE WAY DOWN AND, AND THERE'S GONNA BE A SINGLE SCREEN BACK DOOR.
AND I THINK THAT'S REFLECTED ON THE DRAWINGS.
UM, AND FOR, FOR ME, MATT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ANY MORE DETAILS ON HOW THAT SHUTTER HARDWARE IS, IS ATTACHED.
I MEAN, I THINK HE SHOWED WHAT HARDWARE IS GONNA BE THERE, THE SHUTTER DOGS AND THE, AND THE HINGES.
SO I, I'M COMFORTABLE THAT HOWEVER THOSE GO ON THESE PEOPLE, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
AND I DO AGREE THAT IF THERE IS GONNA BE LANDSCAPING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO SEE, YOU'LL HAVE TO SEE SOME KIND OF PLAN, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
AND IT COULD BE MINIMAL LANDSCAPING, WHATEVER IT IS, AT LEAST ON OUR CURRENT RIGS.
WE'LL NEED TO SHOW WHAT THE LANDSCAPING LOOKS LIKE.
IT'D BE VERY MINIMUM JUST TO YEAH.
AND THE ADMINISTRATOR CAN APPROVE THAT HIMSELF.
SO ALL THE THINGS I JUST SAID, THOSE I THINK IS WHAT YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT, BUT THOSE ARE GONNA NEED TO BE SOMEHOW NOTED OR ON THE PLANS OR, OR JUST WRITTEN AND GIVE IT TO, TO THE ADMINISTRATOR SO THAT EVERYBODY'S CLEAR.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK THE BEADBOARD CEILING I MENTIONED TOO ON THE PORCH.
A BETA WOOD CEILING ON THE FRONT PORCH.
IS IT, IS IT GONNA BE HATE BLUE LIGHT, BLUE COLOR? NO.
REFLECTIVE STORAGE CONFUSES THE MOSQUITOES.
ANY FINAL COMMENTS, SIR? APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH US ON THIS AND THAT'S NO PROBLEM.
UH, ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UM, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR SEVEN 19 NEW STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRUOUS WITH THE NEW BURNS CODE OF ORDINANCES.
SECTIONS 15.411 THROUGH 15.429 AND NEW BURN'S, HISTORIC
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DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT.UM, SAYS DEVELOPMENTAL PATTERN 2.11 2.1 0.3, UTILITIES 2.3, UH, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1, 3.12, 3.13.
AND INFILL CONSTRUCTION, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4 FOUNDATIONS, 4.4 AND FOUR WALLS, TRE ORNAMENTATION 4.4 WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.32, 4.33 AND 4.3 0.4 ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.4 AND 4.4 0.5.
UM, PAINT 5.42 CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.5 0.3 5.4 AND 5.56.
AND THE FINDINGS OF FACT, UM, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND OUR DISCUSSION TODAY, UM, IS THAT THE APPLICATION IS FOR A NEW ONE AND A HALF STORY NEW INFILL HOUSE ON A VACANT LOT IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT DOES THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS AND DOES NOT DIMINISH THE SPECIAL CHARACTER OF THE, OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH, UH, TWO CONDITIONS THAT, UM, THE REVISIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, UM, NEED TO BE SOMEHOW NOTED AND PROVIDED TO THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE PROJECT.
ANYTHING THAT, UM, CHANGES IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE ADMINISTRATOR AS WELL, UM, PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE, UH, BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE ANY CHANGES THAT YOU MAKE, UM, IN, IN THE PROCESS SHOULD BE, UM, SUBMITTED TO THE ADMINISTRATOR AS WELL.
ANY DISCUSSION OF MOTIONS? SO I, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY SEVEN 19 VERSUS SEVEN.
BUT THIS IS SEVEN 17, IS THAT CORRECT? NO.
SO, UH, CAN I CLARIFY A COUPLE OF, OF COURSE THINGS? I THINK YOU SKIPPED ALL OF THE ONES FOR CONTEMPORARY CONSTRUCT MATERIALS.
I THINK I SAID ALL THE CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS.
AND THEN, UH, YOU ADDED 5.4 0.5.
SO 5.4 0.2, THREE, FOUR AND SIX? NO, JUST 5.4 0.2.
SO MAYBE THAT'S WHERE I ENDED UP MISSING THE 5.5 PARTS.
UH, THERE WAS ONE MORE QUESTION.
UH, UP WITH THE BRICK, THE MASONRY, WHERE IS THAT MASONRY? 5 1, 3 AND FIVE.
THAT GETS AT THE, UH, DID YOU WANT TO LEAVE THOSE OUT? I DID.
UH, I THINK YOU GOT THE FOUNDATION ONES THOUGH.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION? SO MOVED.
I MAY NO MORE COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? OKAY.
OPPOSED? SEEING NONE, THE MOTION PASSES.
AND THE CALL FOR A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA FOR SEVEN 19.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, MR. CHAIR, THE MOTION AND THE SECOND ISSUES, THE COA WITH THE STATED CONDITIONS? YES.
AND I FORGOT TO WELCOME MS. BULLOCK BACK, SO APPRECIATE YOU HERE.
UM, SO I, I THINK IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND.
ALL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE A SO YOU'RE READY TO GO ON THAT ONE? SO THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, NOW CAN I ASK YES, THE SECOND ONE IS A IS A MIRROR IMAGE.
CAN WE ONLY CONCENTRATE ON ANYTHING THAT IS? YES.
IN FACT, THIS SAYS THIS HAS LESS A WHOLE LOT, A WHOLE LOT LESS WHAT
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SHOULD ONLY BE ANY DIFFERENT, ANYTHING DIFFERENT, RIGHT.BECAUSE THIS ONE DOES NOT FACE ANOTHER STREET, SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE.
ALRIGHT, SO THERE'S NO SETBACK REQUIREMENT ON THE SIDES? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WHERE IS TO CHARACTERIZE IT? IT'S, IT'S THE BAY, THE BAY WINDOW WILL NOW BE LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORS.
BUT THE UTILITIES WILL STILL BE ON THE, THE PARKING LOT.
WE SHARE A PARKING LOT OR WE'RE GONNA DETERMINE THAT IN A MINUTE.
OKAY, SO SEVEN 17 NEW STREET IS, UH, THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER IS HIGH DESIGN PROPERTIES.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT IS MR. ROSENBAUM.
UH, HE HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED TO SPEAK FOR THEM, UH, WITH, LET'S GO PAST THIS, UH, APP SIGNATURE OF THE APPLICANT OR THE, UH, ACTUALLY MR. ROSENBAUM, HE'S BEEN AUTHORIZED TO, UH, UH, SPEAK FOR THEM ON THIS PROJECT WITH THIS FORM HERE.
UH, SO THIS IS THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN, SORRY.
UH, AND UM, AS WAS MENTIONED, UH, JUST PREVIOUS, PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS
SO THE SAME CONDITIONS, UH, THE SETBACKS ON THE SIDE IS A FIVE FOOT MINIMUM.
UM, SO BECAUSE THIS IS A SLIGHTLY ANGLED, UM, SHAPED PARCEL, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE PLANS, UH, ACTUALLY STATE, UH, FIVE FOOT MINIMUM AND AT EACH END OF THE BUILDING, THAT WAY THEY CAN BE SIX FEET AT ONE END, SIX FEET AT THE OTHER, WHATEVER.
BUT, UH, THAT WAY WE CAN BE SURE THAT IT WILL MEET THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
THAT MAY MEAN THAT THE OTHER SIDE, UM, WILL BE ADJUSTED.
AND I ALSO NOTED THAT, UM, WHEN YOU ADD THE DIMENSIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED TOGETHER, UM, YOU END UP WITH A DIMENSION LARGER THAN THE BACK AND EVEN LARGER THAN THE FRONT.
SO THE, I THINK THE 13 FOOT HAS TO BE MODIFIED ANYWAY, UH, MAYBE TO ABOUT 11 FOOT, UM, OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE.
UM, SO THAT, UH, MODIFICATION SHOULD AT LEAST BE DOUBLE CHECKED, UM, BY YOURSELF AND YOUR, UM, TEAM.
UH, AND SO, AND THEN THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTATION OF THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.
SO THAT WAS PRETTY QUICK, RIGHT? WE HAVE THE AERIAL VIEW OF THAT.
NOW THIS, UH, LOT ACTUALLY IS, IS VACANT, BUT IT DOES HAVE MORE TREES ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE.
UM, NOW THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK WILL PROBABLY OBLITERATE ONE OF THOSE TREES OUT FRONT, OUT TOWARDS THE FRONT.
YOU CAN SEE HERE IT'S, UH, FARTHER THAN FIVE FEET AWAY AND CERTAINLY SO ARE THE ROOTS.
BUT THE ONE IN THE BACK, THIS MAY BE OVERHANGING MORE, UH, OR NOT EVEN AFFECTED BY THE CONSTRUCTION.
ANYWAY, THERE'S OUR, UH, OUR, UM, PHOTOGRAPHIC VIEW OF THE SITE.
THAT BIG TREE ON THE LEFT, THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF VIEW DOWN THE STREET AND WE'VE SEEN ALL THOSE HOUSES BEFORE.
THEY'RE NOW CLOSER TO THIS HOUSE THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE.
WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE ACROSS THE STREET, DOWN THE STREET, THE, UH, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS, UH, AS ZONING PERMIT IS REQUIRED AND A BUILDING PERMIT IS REQUIRED.
UH, WE'VE GONE OVER THIS ELEVATION, HOWEVER WE HAVE YET TO DETERMINE WHICH DIRECTION WILL THIS BE.
SO NOW WE CAN ASK, UM, SO THE DRIVEWAY WILL BE ON THE RIGHT OF THIS.
SO WHERE WOULD YOU, WHICH WAY WOULD YOU LIKE THIS TO FACE? I HAVE, I HAVE A MIRROR IMAGE ELEVATION OF EVERYTHING IN HERE.
AND UM, I CAN SHOW YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT AS THE PLAN IS DRAWN.
SO THIS IS A MIRROR IMAGE OF THE FRONT THERE LIKE THAT.
SO, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, THE APPLICATION WOULD BE FOR ALMOST IDENTICAL TO SEVEN 19, CORRECT? MM-HMM
SO WE CAN, WE CAN IGNORE MY MIRROR IMAGE VERSION OF THIS.
WHO'S THE GUY WHO WROTE BACKWARDS? YEAH.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HOUSE, THE HOUSES, THEY WILL BOTH HAVE THE FRONT DOOR ON THE RIGHT.
AND I, AND I DO HAVE A REGULAR THE STRAIGHT, THIS IS NOW THE STRAIGHTFORWARD ONE HERE.
SO, SO, SO THE BAY WINDOW, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT SIDE.
SO THERE'LL BE IDENTICAL TWINS, NOT FRATERNAL TWINS.
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GO BACK UP.SO ESSENTIALLY THIS IS THE SAME PLAN AS SEVEN 19.
SO ALL THE COMMENTS WE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE LAST HOUR WOULD CARRY OVER TO THIS ONE AS WELL.
SO, MR. CHAIR, WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD IS SINCE THIS INFORMATION IS ALREADY IN THE RECORD FOR A PREVIOUS HEARING, YOU ALL CAN TAKE JUDICIAL NOTICE OF THE PLANS, DOCUMENTS, AND COMMENTS THAT ARE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED IN THE RECORD FOR SEVEN 19.
THAT WAY YOU CAN CONSIDER THEM FOR SEVEN 17 WITHOUT HAVING TO DUPLICATE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION.
ALRIGHT? I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY OF DOING THAT BECAUSE WE, YOU NEED TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT, TWO DIFFERENT COAS.
'CAUSE THEY COULD GO AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND THEY'RE DIFFERENT OWNERS, RIGHT? SO ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO INCORPORATING ALL THE PRIOR COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS AS WELL AS ANSWERS FROM THE APPLICANT TO SEVEN 17 THAT APPLIED TO SEVEN 19? I I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE CONSIDERING THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME PLAN THAT THE, THE SAME CONDITIONS, THE SAME COMMENTS.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION THEN IF YOU COULD, WELL, CAN, CAN I AT LEAST MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, THAT THE SITE PLAN IS REVISED? OF COURSE.
I WAS GONNA MAKE THAT AS A OKAY, THANK YOU.
I MEAN, I THINK JUST A MOTION TO, TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THE, UH, DESCRIPTION COMMENTS, APPLICATION NOTES, UH, THAT WE MADE FOR SEVEN 19 WOULD BE JUDICI JUDICIALLY, JUDICIALLY NOTICED, NOTICED, UH, TO BE PART OF THE APPLICATION FOR SEVEN 17 WITHOUT HAVING TO REPEAT THEM ALL.
UM, AGAIN, THEY WOULD JUST CARRY OVER TO THIS APPLICATION AS WELL.
IS THAT YOUR MOTION? THAT IS MY MOTION.
AND ONE POINT DOES NEED CLARIFY, I GUESS IS THE, THE WIDTH OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AS YOU POINTED OUT, AND, AND THE SETBACKS AND MM-HMM
AND I THINK THE, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE FIVE FOOT MINIMUM IS GOOD, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT THAT ARE BECAUSE IT IS A SKEWED PROPERTY.
IT NEEDS STILL NEEDS TO GET THAT FIVE FOOT AT THE YEAH.
AT THE CLOSEST LOCATION, WHATEVER THAT IS.
AND I CAN GO BACK IN DETAIL THAT, BUT WHEN I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE PLAN, I WAS, UM, THE WINDOW BAY WINDOW OFFSET IS A FOOT AND A HALF.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE NUMBER'S COMING UP AT.
BECAUSE I TOOK THE NUMBER THAT'S THE ENTIRE THING.
SO, SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASSUME, ASSUME THERE'S NO NEED TO GO THROUGH THE SEAL A SHEET FOR THIS, UH, ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE POINT, UH, JUST SO THAT IT'S IN THE RECORD.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE HAD, UH, COA APPLICATIONS FOR SISTER HOUSES, BUT FROM A SIGHTING SETTING DESIGN ATTRIBUTE STANDPOINT, UH, THIS IS, THIS WAS VERY COMMON IN, UH, IN NEWBURN, PARTICULARLY IN THE RIVERSIDE AREA TO HAVE, UH, SISTER HOUSES BUILT LIKE THIS SIDE BY SIDE.
THE FER HOUSES, ESPECIALLY RIVERSIDE.
USUALLY THEY WERE RENTAL HOUSES.
WE STILL NEED A COA, RIGHT? WELL WE NEED A MOTION TO, WE NEED A MOTION.
NOW WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION.
SECTIONS 15.411 THROUGH 15 4 2 9, AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT SECTIONS 2.1, I'M SORRY, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN 2.1, 2.3, UTILITIES 2.3, UH, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 3.2, 3.1 3 3 4, 3 0.15.
INFILL CONSTRUCTION, 3.4, 3.4, 3.43.
FOUR FOUR AND ONE FOUR WALLS, TRIM ORNAMENTATION, FOUR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
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0.4 AND 4.4 0.5.AND THE FINDINGS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATIONS, THIS DISCUSSION AND THE DISCUSSION THAT WE INCORPORATED BY JUDICIAL REVIEW, JUDICIAL REVIEW, NOTICE.
UM, THAT, THAT, BASED ON ALL OF THAT, THE APPLICATION IS FOR A NEW ONE AND A HALF STORY NEW INFILL HOUSE ON A VACANT LOT IN THE TIGHT WEAVE OF OVEN PATTERN.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN PRINCIPLE AND STANDARDS.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, AND DOES NOT DIMINISH THE SPECIAL CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND SIMILAR TO THE LAST COA, THE CONDITIONS WOULD BE THAT, UM, ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND COMMENTS THAT WE MADE, UH, DURING THE LAST, UM, HEARING WOULD CARRY OVER TO THIS ONE AS WELL.
FOR ALL THOSE CHANGES IN, IN DESIGN, THAT ANY DESIGN CHANGES THAT YOU MAKE NEED TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE ADMINISTRATOR PRIOR TO THE FINAL, FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDINGS INSPECTION DIVISION.
AND ANY DESIGN CHANGES THAT YOU MAKE BEFORE YOU START CONSTRUCTION NEED TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE ADMINISTRATOR.
THAT WILL BE YOUR FRIEND HERE.
I, I I THINK THIS FITS IN VERY WELL.
GET STARTED BECAUSE HE CAN GET THE INFORMATION TO US SOMETIME ALONG THE WAY AS NEEDED BEFORE WE START THAT WORK.
AND THERE'S STILL FOUNDATION WORK STUFF FIRST.
BUT STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT ANYWAY, SO IT'LL TAKE SOME TIME.
SO I'LL GET WITH YOU MATT, AND SEND OVER THE INFORMATION YOU NEED.
I, I KNOW IT TOOK A LONG TIME, BUT IT WAS GOOD
[5.A. Information on Historic District Design Principles and Standards Update ]
OLD BUSINESS, UH, INFORMATION ON HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS UPDATE.WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION AT LAST DESIGN REVIEW.
APPRECIATE ALL YOUR INPUT THERE.
UH, WE'LL DO IT AGAIN, UH, AT THE NEXT DESIGN REVIEW ON APRIL 1ST, AND I'LL SEND YOU A EMAIL TOMORROW THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE HOMEWORK ABOUT WHAT THE TOPICS WILL BE.
IT'S THIS GONNA BE HERE, WHICH
UH, WE'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE TOPICS WILL BE FOR THAT.
LOOK AGAIN, IT'S, UH, FOCUSING MAINLY ON MATERIALS, BUT WE CAN BRING UP ANYTHING WE CHOOSE TO BRING UP AS WELL.
WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE A FEW EXTRA MEETINGS AS WE GET DEEPER INTO THIS TO CLARIFY IF THERE ARE POINTS OF CONTENTION BETWEEN US THAT WE'RE NOT ALL ONE VOICE ON, ON, UH, CHANGES ANY NEW BUSINESS.
AND BY THE WAY, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD ECHO, I THOUGHT THE DISCUSSION THE LAST DESIGN REVIEW WAS, WAS, WAS EXCELLENT.
UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE, THE NEXT DISCUSSION.
UM, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE HERE.
[8. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT ]
REMARK.REPORTS ON MAJOR COA IS DENIED.
MR. SHELLEY, I GUESS THERE WERE NONE.
AND THEN WE HAD THE, UH, THOSE FOUR, UH, MAJORS ISSUED AND THEN THE FIVE, UM, MINORS ISSUED WITH, UH, AT THE POINT WE ADVERTISED, UH, THERE WERE TWO COAS TO BE ISSUED SOON IN 20 WAITING FOR INFORMATION FROM APPLICANTS.
UM, ITEM D, UM, NO VIOLATIONS OF PREVENTION DEMOLITION MY NEGLECT CASES THAT HAVE BEEN RESOLVED, UH, AND FOR THE NORTH CAROLINA MAIN STREET CONFERENCE, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, THE HPC RECEIVED, UH, RECOGNITION IN ONE OF THE AWARDS.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER THE, UM, HARVEY MANCHIN, UH, IS NOW CALLED THE HARVEY.
UH, AND THAT PROJECT, UH, WAS SOMETHING THAT WENT THROUGH THE HPC
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OF COURSE.AND THE OWNER WAS, UH, UM, KIND ENOUGH TO INCLUDE US AS PART OF THE TEAM THAT LED TO THE SUCCESS OF THAT PROJECT.
HE INCLUDED, OF COURSE, HIS CONTRACTOR AND HIS ARCHITECT AND HIS FINANCE FINANCIER AND, UH, LANDSCAPER AND OTHER PARTIES.
UH, BUT WE WERE INCLUDED AS PART OF THAT GROUP.
UM, SO, UM, WE ARE, UH, PROUD RECIPIENTS OF A NEW, UM, UH, UH, AWARD.
UM, AND I DON'T BELIEVE I BROUGHT IT WITH ME TODAY, BUT, UH, WE'LL BE FRAMING THAT AND, UH, STICKING THAT IN THE OFFICE, AND THEN WE CAN SHOW THAT TO YOU NEXT PROBABLY AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.
SO DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO A PAY INCREASE FOR THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR? UH, WELL ALL OF YOU GET, YOU, YOU ALL GET A, A BONUS EQUAL TO DOUBLE YOUR SALARY, DOUBLE YOUR SALARY,
[9. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS ]
OKAY.ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? ANYTHING ELSE PART OF THE GROUP? I WAS CURIOUS WHAT, WHAT THESE, MATT, YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU HANDED OUT? OKAY.
SO I JUST HANDED OUT SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, FUN HANDOUTS MORE OR LESS.
UH, THEY, I PRINTED THEM OUT, SOME OF 'EM, UH, QUITE A WHILE AGO.
UH, ONE OF THEM IS A SE A SERIES OF BLOGS RELATED TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION THAT MAY OR MAY NOT INTEREST YOU.
UM, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IS, UH, SOMETHING I PRINTED OUT EVEN A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE, REGARDING, UM, THE ISSUES WITH, UM, MINI SPLITS.
UH, AND WITH LOTS OF PHOTOGRAPHS ABOUT GOOD AND BAD EXAMPLES.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE THINGS TO, YOU KNOW, UM, ONE TO ENTERTAIN YOU, MAYBE
BUT I THINK IT DOES POINT OUT ON THERE, THE INTENT OF THE PAINTING UTILITIES IS REALLY THOSE LIME THAT ARE YEAH.
NOT, NOT THE, NOT THE HEAT PUMP, BUT SIMPLY THE LINES, THE ACTUAL YEAH.
WHICH WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA CLARIFY.
ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT, MOTION TO ADJOURN.