Apr 01, 2026 Historic Preservation Commission Design Review

RIGHT INTO THE FIRST APPLICATION, WHICH IS FIVE 15 QUEEN STREET.

UH, THEN WE'LL MOVE

[2.A. 515 Queen St. – remove existing rear porch, replace with new sunroom, screened porch, and patio in the Tertiary AVC]

UH, AND TAKE THIS RIGHT BELOW HERE.

SO THIS IS THE, UH, APPLICATION FOR THAT ONE.

UH, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS MICHAEL ANGENETTE RAY, AND THEY ARE ALSO REPRESENTED BY GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.

THEY'VE, UH, FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION, ALL THE NECESSARY INFORMATION, AND THE, UH, GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN REPRESENTATIVE SARAH ABA HAS SIGNED THIS, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE AUTHORIZATION FORM FOR HER TO REPRESENT THEM, AND WE DO HAVE AT LEAST ONE PERSON IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY TO SPEAK TO THIS, UH, APPLICATION.

SO, UM, SO AS WE WENT OVER THIS A MONTH AGO, APPROXIMATELY, AND, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, THE SITE ON QUEEN STREET.

UM, IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A RECENT PROJECT THAT, UM, IS NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION WHERE THIS, UH, PARKING LOT WAS.

UH, AND YOU SEE IT'S AN ODD SHAPED LOT.

THIS IS A ZOOM IN.

WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE BACK HERE.

SO IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA A LITTLE BIT FROM AERIAL PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HOW, HOW CLOSE IT IS TO, OR FAR FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

THIS IS A STREET VIEW IMAGE FROM 2019, UM, WHICH IS A LITTLE HELPFUL IN SHOWING THE OVERALL FORM OF THE HOUSE.

AND THEN ALSO TOWARDS THE BACK HERE, THERE'S A, AN EXISTING, UH, STAIRWAY, UH, ON THE BACK, COMING OUT THE BACK.

SO, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDED SOME PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, ONE OF WHICH, UH, I'VE MET PUT HERE ON THIS PAGE.

UM, THE FRONT, UH, UNIQUELY SHOWS, UH, PORCH, BUT THE UNIQUE PART IS, UH, TWO FRONT DOORS, AND WE'LL SEE WHY THAT IS IN A MINUTE.

BUT, UH, IT'S NOT EXACTLY RELEVANT TO OUR PROJECT, UH, BUT TO THE OVERALL HISTORY OF THE BUILDING, IT IS THE CHRISTENSEN HOUSE, UH, AND IT'S CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

UH, AND IT WAS DESCRIBED HERE AS A DUPLEX, UH, ALREADY BACK IN, UH, 1988.

BUT, UM, IT IS NOW A, A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.

UH, AND THEN THAT DESCRIPTION INCLUDED THE WORD WEATHERBOARD, WHICH IS HERE, UH, DEFINED THEN TO GET AN IDEA AS TO WHY A DUPLEX BACK IN 1913.

THE SANBORN MAP SHOWS IT WAS INDEED

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A DUPLEX.

IT'S THIS, THIS, UH, ONE HERE AT THIR 43 A AND B.

UH, AND THIS SHOWS, IT WAS TWO STORIES ON THE FRONT AND ONE STORY ON THE BACK.

UH, BUT EACH DWELLING HAD ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL LITTLE STOOP OR PORCH.

THEN, HOWEVER, BY 1924, IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING WITH A FULL WIDTH PORCH IN 1924.

AND SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE SEE TODAY.

THE, UH, OTHER, UH, MAPS, UH, AFTER THAT ALSO SHOWED THAT AS WELL.

SO NOW WE'LL LOOK AT THE, UH, THE DRAWINGS FOR THAT PROJECT.

OOPS, SORRY.

UM, THIS IS THE FIRST SHEET WITH THE FRONT, UH, PHOTO OF THE FRONT.

AND THEN THEY'VE PROVIDED THESE SIX PHOTOGRAPHS.

UH, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE ONE I STOLE FOR THE OTHER, UH, PAGE.

THEN WE WILL PROCEED AROUND TO THE LEFT AROUND THE BUILDING.

AND THESE PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, YOU'LL SEE MORE OF THE SIDE HERE.

UP TO NOTE HERE IS, UH, THIS, UH, THE TWO STORY PORTION HAS ONE WINDOW, UH, ON THE FIRST AND ONE WINDOW ON THE SECOND, AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER WINDOW ON THE FIRST FLOOR ON THIS SIDE IS IN THE ONE STORY PORTION, WHICH IS, UH, NOW A BATHROOM OR KITCHEN AREA THERE.

THEN AS WE GO AROUND TOWARDS THE BACK, THIS IS THE STAIRWAY I POINTED TO BEFORE, AND IT LEADS INTO A, OR FROM A SCREENED IN REAR PORCH.

THAT IS THE REAR PORCH THAT IS TO BE REMOVED.

THEN, UH, DOWN BELOW HERE, UH, LOOKING DIRECTLY FROM THE BACK TOWARDS THE SCREENED IN PORCH.

AND THEN AS WE ROUND THE CORNER, UM, WE CAN SEE, UH, THAT THE PORCH IS, UM, SEPARATED FROM THE OTHER HOUSE BY AT LEAST A FOUR FOOT OR FROM THE REST OF THE HOUSE, SORRY, UH, BY A, SAY, FOUR FOOT SETBACK FROM THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE.

AND THAT HAPPENED ALSO ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.

WE GO BACK TO PHOTO THREE.

WE CAN SEE THAT'S THE SAME CASE OVER HERE, UH, THAT IS RELEVANT.

AND SO THEN AS WE CONTINUE AROUND THE HOUSE, UH, STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK ON QUEEN STREET, YOU CAN SEE THE WESTERN ELEVATION.

SAME THING, ONE WINDOW ON EACH FLOOR, AND THE TWO STORY, AND ONE ON THE ONE STORY.

ALRIGHT, COME ON.

SO THIS IS A SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED, UH, CHANGE TO THE HOUSE.

UM, AND JUST THE CHANGE IS ENTIRELY THIS BACK SECTION HERE, REMOVING THE SCREENED IN PORCH AND DOING THESE CHANGES HERE.

WE'LL LOOK AT THOSE IN MORE DETAIL, BUT HERE YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE NEW ADDITION MEETS THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT.

UH, AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE OVERALL CONFIGURATION ON THE SITE.

SO NOW WE'RE GONNA TURN THE BUILDING AROUND WITH THE STREET AT THE BOTTOM INSTEAD OF THE TOP.

SO THE FRONT PORCH IS DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM, UH, THE TWO FRONT ROOMS, AND YOU CAN SEE DEFINITELY HOW IT USED TO BE A, A DUPLEX WITH A PARTY WALL DOWN THE MIDDLE AND THE DOUBLE BACK CHIMNEY, UH, FIREPLACES.

UH, AND THEN IN THE ONE STORY PORTION, THAT'S WHERE THE KITCHEN AND THE LITTLE BATHROOM IS, UH, BACK THERE.

RIGHT NOW, THIS HAPPENS TO BE THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN AND SHOWING WHAT'S TO BE REMOVED.

SO THE SCREENED IN PORCH IS ALL DASHED IN TO SHOW IT'S TO BE REMOVED ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

THE ROOF OF THE FIRST FLOOR SECTION IS TO BE REMOVED.

AND THEN AGAIN, THE SCREENED IN PORCH IN ITS ENTIRETY BELOW.

THERE ARE SOME GENERAL NOTES OVER HERE IN THE VERY LOWER RIGHT CORNER, UM, THAT TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT.

UH, WE'LL, WE'LL ZOOM IN ON THOSE IF WE NEED TO.

UH, BUT OTHERWISE WE'LL CONTINUE.

THIS IS NOW THE PROPOSAL.

AND SO, UM, THE, UH, THE SCREENED IN PORCH HAS BEEN REMOVED, AND IT WILL BECOME A LARGER SUNROOM HERE.

AND THEN ON THE BACK OF THAT WILL BE A NEW SCREENED IN PORCH AND A SQUARE, 12 FOOT, UH, SQUARE FORM HERE WITH, UH, THE, THE, UH, ENTRANCEWAY OUT THE BACK INSTEAD OF THE SIDE, AND THEN DOWN TO A PATIO UP TO THE, UM, EASTERN SIDE OF THAT.

UM, THE OLD PORCH FOR THE SCREENED IN PORCH, I'M SORRY, THE OLD STAIRWAY FOR THE SCREEN DENS, UH, PORCH, UM, HAS BEEN REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A NEW, UH, SET OF STAIRS OUT THAT SIDE TO ENTER

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THE SUNROOM.

UH, THE OTHER CHANGE IS THE, UH, ONE STORY PORTION OF THE HOUSE, UH, ENDS AT THIS WALL ALONG HERE, AND THEY WILL BE REMOVING A SECTION OF THAT WALL IN ORDER TO CREATE, UH, A PASS THROUGH OR A, UM, AN ENLARGEMENT OF THE KITCHEN INTO THIS, INTO THE SUNROOM.

ALL OF THAT ROOFING, UM, IS BEING REPLACED BY THIS CONFIGURATION OF ROOFING HERE, WHICH WE'LL SEE THEN IN ELEVATION, UNDERSTAND IT BETTER THERE.

SO THE FRONT, UH, THIS, THESE ARE THE EXISTING ELEVATIONS FOR THE FRONT, THE LEFT DOOR, UH, LET'S SEE, EAST SIDE OVER HERE.

THIS IS THE EXISTING, UM, SCREENED IN PORCH ON THE LEFT.

THE BOTTOM ONE HERE IS THE REAR WITH THE SCREENED IN PORCH IN THE MIDDLE.

AND THEN ON THE OTHER ONE IS THE WEST ELEVATION, WITH THE SCREENED IN PORCH ON THE RIGHT.

SO NOW THE NEW, UH, ELEVATIONS ARE SHOWN HERE.

THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FRONT ELEVATION AT ALL.

ALL THE CHANGES ARE ON THE REAR.

SO THEY SHOW UP ON THE TWO SIDES IN THE REAR ELEVATIONS.

AND YOU CAN SEE THIS, UH, THE SEGMENT FROM THE EXISTING, UM, UH, ONE STORY PORTION, UH, TO THE LEFT OF THAT.

THAT'S THE SUNROOM AREA WITH THAT NEW STAIRWAY I MENTIONED INTO THE SUNROOM.

AND THEN THIS BEYOND THAT, FARTHER TO THE LEFT IS THE SCREENED IN AREA.

ALL OF THIS IS ALL AT THE SAME FLOOR LEVEL, ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FOUNDATION.

UH, TREATMENT IS CONTINUED ALL THE WAY ACROSS WITH BRICK PIERS UNDERNEATH THE, UH, THE NEW PORCH AND, UH, LATTICE WORK THERE.

WHEREAS UNDER THE SUNROOM, IT WILL BE A BRICK INFILL BETWEEN THE, UH, THE APPARENT PEER CONFIGURATIONS THERE.

WHAT WE ALSO SEE THERE, I GO AHEAD AND ZOOM IN ON THAT A LITTLE BETTER FRONT ELEVATION.

SO OVER HERE WE GO.

SO, UM, THIS, OF COURSE, ARE A NEW DOOR AND NEW WINDOWS.

UM, THE, UH, SIDING HERE WILL BE PAINTED CEDAR LAP SIDING.

UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING METAL ROOFING ACROSS ALL OF THE NEW ADDITION.

UM, IT'S AT A TWO AND 12 SLOPE.

UH, SO, UH, SHINGLES DON'T WORK ON THAT.

UH, THAT THOUGH, HOWEVER, ALSO MATCHES THE ROOFING ON THE EXISTING HOUSE OR ON THE REST OF THE HOUSE.

I GUESS YOU CAN SEE MOST OF ALL THE REST OF THE DETAILS HERE.

UH, AND WE CAN SEE THAT THE DOOR IS A STAINED WOOD DOOR.

THE STEPS ARE PAINTED, PRESSURE TREATED WOOD STEPS.

THE BRICK MASONRY, AS I MENTIONED, THE INFILL IS, UH, SHOWN WITH A ONE INCH SETBACK FROM THE PIER.

UH, AND THE, UH, LATTICE, UH, BETWEEN THE PIERS UNDER THE PORCH ARE CALLED OUT HERE.

UH, THE PICKETS AND THE, UH, HANDRAIL ARE SHOWN EXPOSED HERE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE SCREENING.

THE SCREENING GOES BACK BEHIND THOSE.

UM, AND THAT'S ENOUGH FOR THAT ONE.

WE'LL GO DOWN ONE, GO DOWN TO THE OTHER SIDE.

FROM THE OTHER SIDE.

IT PRETTY MUCH SAYS ALL THE SAME THINGS.

AND IT ALSO INCLUDES A THREE INCH SPACING FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, LANDING AND HANDRAILS ON THE OUTSIDE HERE.

THREE INCH GAP, SORRY, BETWEEN THE, UH, SPINDLES.

THEN AS WE LOOK AT THE BACK, UH, THE SCREENED IN PORCH, LIKE I SAID, IS 12 FOOT SQUARE.

SO THIS IS ONLY 12 FEET ACROSS THE BACK.

AND THEN, SO THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SUNROOM TO HAVE, UH, SOME WINDOWS FACING THE BACK AS WELL.

UM, THESE ARE ACTUALLY A 12 INCH SQUARE COLUMNS, AND SO THEY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL TRIM ON HERE.

UM, THIS WAS CALLED OUT IN THOSE LITTLE NOTES THAT I MENTIONED ABOVE.

UH, AND, UH, THERE ARE FOUR OF THOSE, I BELIEVE.

IF WE GO TO THE SIDE, OOPS, THERE WE GO.

THERE'S, UH, ANOTHER 12 INCH SHEAR ON AT AGAINST THE WALL OF THE HOUSE.

SO, UM, AND SO FORTH, ONE.

THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, UM, WHEREAS THE PORCH OVER HERE, A LITTLE, UH, OVERHANG OVER THE DOORWAY TO THE SUNROOM, UM, THOSE SMALLER, UH, POSTS THERE.

AND, UM,

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THE, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW, HOW LOW THE SLOPE IS FOR THE ROOFING ON THESE.

ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THE FOUNDATION PLAN.

AND HERE YOU CAN SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, THESE, UH, THIS SHOWS HOW THE, THE FOUNDATION'S ACTUALLY MADE OF CONCRETE BLOCK, BUT IS THEN, UH, WRAPPED WITH A BRICK.

AND THIS HAPPENS TO BE UNDER THE, THE, UM, THE PORCH, THE SCREEN PORCH.

AND THEN THIS IS THE NEW SUNROOM ADDITION.

AND HERE YOU CAN SEE THE, IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER, THERE'S A LITTLE, UH, BUMP HERE, AND THIS CORNER THAT REPRESENTS THAT ONE INCH SETBACK.

AND SAME THING ON THE, UH, WEST SIDE.

LET'S SEE.

UH, AND THIS IS THE DETAIL OF THAT SHOWING THE CONCRETE BLOCK IN THE BRICK FACING.

THIS IS ALSO FOR THE, UM, THIS, THE, UH, THE SCREEN PORCH.

HERE'S THAT VERY LARGE, UH, COLUMN ON EACH CORNER.

AND THE RAILING IS SHOWN HERE WITH THE PICKETS, UH, CENTERED ON THE HANDRAIL AND THE BOTTOM RAIL.

AND THEN THE SCREEN, THIS LITTLE ARROW POINTS TO THE SCREEN, WHICH IS THEN ON THE INSIDE SURFACE OF ALL OF THAT.

THAT'S IT FOR THAT ONE.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FIRST OF MATT OR THE APPLICANT? NOT EVER.

I, NO, NO ASSISTANT TODAY.

WELL, YOU ON YOUR HONOR, CAN YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? , CAN YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? EVER? CAN YOU COME UP, CAN YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE AND JUST TELL US WHO YOU ARE? HOW YOU DOING? YOU HAVE TO SAY WHO YOU ARE.

YOUR NAME? EDWARD AL.

HI.

AND, AND YOU WORK FOR GO ARCHITECTURAL? YEAH.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE MADE ALL THOSE CHANGES.

YOU MUST HAVE TAKEN SOME PRETTY GOOD NOTES.

AND, AND THE SETBACK.

SO THAT MEETS, YOU CHECKED THAT MAP.

THE SIDE SETBACK.

I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN LAST TIME.

UM, SO THE, THE SCREENED PORCH, YOU'RE GONNA DEMO THAT.

SO THAT GOES AND YOU'RE CREATING THE NEW SUNROOM.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE REUSING THE, THE EXISTING? YEAH, NO.

THAT WE GONNA TAKE THE, TAKE IT ALL OUT AND, AND EVERYTHING.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ANY MATERIALS? WE HAVE BRICKS.

WE HAVE THE ONE INCH SETBACK ON THE COLUMNS OR THE BRICK INSET.

YEAH, IT'S WOOD.

FOR THE, THE 12 INCH COLUMNS THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT IS WOOD ON THE DIAGRAM.

THE, THE SIGHTINGS, ALL CEDAR, EVERYTHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING SEEMS, SOUNDS GOOD.

SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING WAS, UH, ALL THAT.

YOU AND SARAH DID A NICE JOB, UH, PUTTING IT ALL BACK TOGETHER.

SO WITH THAT, ANY CONCERNS ABOUT BRINGING IT TO THE NEXT HEARING? OKAY, SO IN TWO WEEKS WE'LL BE BACK HERE YEAH.

AT FIVE 30.

AND THEY, UH, THERE'S NOTHING THEY WOULD NEED TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT ANYONE WANTS TO SEE.

DID WE SEE A LIGHTING? NO.

SO, UM, ARE YOU ANTICIPATING ANY EXTERIOR LIGHTING ON THIS? YES.

SO WE'LL JUST WANNA SEE THAT THEN.

ANY EXTERIOR LIGHTING? EXTERIOR LIGHTING? OKAY.

AND AT LEAST ONE NOTE THAT SAYS IT'LL BE WHITE LIGHT.

NOT THE FIXTURE, BUT THAT BULB AND KNITTING.

SO YOU ANTICIPATE SOME LIGHTING OUT ON THE, ON THE BACK PORCH IN OUTSIDE, NOT INSIDE, BUT ON THE OUTSIDE, YEAH.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA, OKAY.

YEAH, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT.

WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT,

[2.B. 524 E. Front St. – rehab of historic carriage house and addition of upper-level outdoor deck and stairs in the Tertiary AVC.]

AND IT'S BEEN SIGNED AND DATED BY ONE OF THE OWNERS.

AND THEN MATT 5 24 EAST FRONT, RIGHT? THAT'S THE NEXT ONE.

MORE FORMAL.

YEAH, IT'S ALRIGHT.

SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR 5 24 EAST FRONT STREET.

UM, MIKE AND ALICIA ALFORD, THEY ARE HERE TONIGHT.

THEY'RE THE OWNERS.

UH, THEY'VE PROVIDED THIS APPLICATION THAT'S BEEN FILLED IN WITH C ATTACHED SHEET AND THE MATERIALS TO BE USED.

LEMME GO LIKE THIS.

ALRIGHT, THERE WE GO.

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THEY ALSO PROVIDED THEM THE ATTACHED SHEET, WHICH THE DE WITH THE DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPOSED WORK.

I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THE LITTLE FIRST COUPLE PARAGRAPHS HERE.

IT INVOLVES REHABILITATION OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, 90 TO 95% OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

IN FACT, ALL OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE LIES WITHIN THE TERTIARY A VC.

UH, AND THEN, UH, THE PRIMARY GOAL IS TO REHABILITATE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND RETURN IT TO ITS ORIGINAL USE AS A STORAGE STRUCTURE IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION, THE BUILDING IS NOT SUITABLE FOR STORAGE WITH BRICK DUST AND MILDEW ACCUMULATING ON ITEMS PLACED INSIDE AND WILDLIFE RATHER GENEROUS TERM FOR THAT, UH, REGULARLY ENTERING THE STRUCTURE AND DAMAGING STORED MATERIALS.

SO, UM, THE PROPOSAL ITSELF PARTICULARLY IS, UM, THIS PART HERE, UH, REMOVING THE ASPHALT AND CEMENT FLOORING AND THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, LEVELING THE FLOOR AND PROVIDING PROPER DRAINAGE REPOINTING THE EXTERIOR BRICK MASONRY REPOINTING, AND PURGING INTERIOR RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ORIGINAL SECOND FLOOR.

SO, JUST A REMINDER, NONE OF THE INTERIOR WORK IS OF OUR CONCERN.

UM, HOWEVER IT'S RELEVANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE DOING THE, UM, THE DECK ON THE BACK, UH, AND WHERE IT IS REOPENING THE ORIGINAL SIDE AND REAR WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS THAT WERE INFILLED WITH BRICK OVER THE YEARS.

INSTALLATION OF GLASS WINDOWS AND THE RESTORED OPENINGS AND CEILING GAPS IN THE STRUCTURE TO PREVENT MOISTURE, DEBRIS AND WILDLIFE INTRUSION.

HEY, MATT, MATT, GOOD POINT ABOUT THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT IF THE STAIRCASE IS ON THE OUTSIDE, THAT IS A CONCERN.

WELL, THERE, THEY'RE WITH THE DECK.

I GET IT.

ARE YOU PUTTING ONE ON THE INSIDE TOO? A STAIRWAY ON THE INSIDE TOO? NO, NO, NO.

SO THAT, THAT ONE.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I BRING IT UP.

IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ONE INSIDE.

UM, AND THEN, UH, ALL THE STANDARDS WERE LISTED.

SO THIS IS A SITE PLAN, UH, SHOWING THE, UH, LOCATION OF THE, THE, UH, CARRIAGE HOUSE LABELED HERE AS A BRICK GARAGE.

UM, BUT, UM, I HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE IS ACTION ENLARGEMENT.

UH, HERE WE GO SO THAT WE CAN SEE SOME RELEVANT INFORMATION.

AND THIS IS, UH, PRIMARILY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE DRIVEWAY COMING DOWN ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND COMING UP TO THIS, UH, STRUCTURE HERE.

BUT, UH, THIS DASH LINE HERE IS THE LIMIT OF THE, UM, UH, MODERATE WAVE ACTION IN THE FLOOD ZONE.

SO, UH, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES ABOUT CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPOSAL WAS, UH, OKAY WITH THE FLOOD PLAIN REGULATIONS.

SO WE DID THAT, UH, AND, UH, UH, UM, IT'S, I THINK THERE WERE NO ISSUES.

UM, I HAVE TO, AS WE GO THROUGH IT, MAYBE I'LL REMEMBER IF THERE WAS ANY SMALL THING, BUT NOTHING SERIOUS.

UH, THIS IS NOW AN AERIAL OF THE ENTIRE SITE AND THE NEIGHBORING HOMES, UM, PROPERTIES AROUND IT.

UH, YOU CAN SEE IT BACKS RIGHT UP TO THE RIVER, HENCE THE FLOODING ISSUE.

UH, AND THEN, UH, ZOOM IN, CLOSER IN ON THE ACTUAL PROP, THE PROJECT AREA.

UH, AND, UH, WHAT YOU WON'T SEE LATER IS THIS, UH, WELL, YOU WILL, I GUESS SO IS THE LITTLE FISH POND THERE ON THE SIDE.

THIS IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE, UM, NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT INVENTORY FOR, UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND, UH, THIS SHOWS THAT, UH, 5 24 EAST FRONT STREET IS A CONTRIBUTING, HENCE THE SEA, UH, STRUCTURE.

IT WAS BUILT APPROXIMATELY IT 1810 TO 1812, AND IT'S CALLED THE ELI SMALLWOOD HOUSE AND, UH, FEDERAL STYLE.

AND THEN IT DESCRIBES THE HOUSE ITSELF.

IT'S A GORGEOUS HOUSE, BUT IT ALSO LISTS THEN SECONDARILY ALSO AT 5 24 IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

UH, ALSO 1810 TO 12 CALLED THE QUARTERS, WHICH IS ONE STORY BRICK, TWO BAYS BY TWO BAYS, WHICH THE BAYS INDICATES HOW MANY, UH, UM, SECTIONS OF WINDOWS THERE ARE.

UH, AND, UH, IT HAS SIX OVER SIX SASH AND A HIP ROOF.

SO THAT, AND MATT, ARE, ARE YOU SURE THAT'S THE SAME STRUCTURE? WELL, WE'LL SHOW IN A SECOND.

UM, RE REQUESTED SHIPPO FILE.

UM, I DID, UH, FIND THAT FILE.

GET THAT FILE IN.

I THINK IT'S ATTACHED BELOW HERE.

SO I FIRST LOOKED THROUGH THE SANBORN MAPS, AND IN 1898 THERE WAS A STRUCTURE RIGHT THERE, MADE OUTTA BRICK TWO STORIES.

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UM, I'LL ZOOM IN HERE.

HERE'S THE HOUSE OUT FRONT.

UM, A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN IT IS TODAY, UM, BECAUSE OF ADDITIONS, I SUPPOSE.

AND THEN, UH, THIS IS NOW A ZOOM IN ON THAT.

AND THE REASON WE ZOOM IN HERE IS 'CAUSE THE, UH, NOTATIONS ON HERE ARE IMPORTANT TO VERIFY, UH, THAT THIS IS THE SAME STRUCTURE, A TWO STORY STRUCTURE.

THAT'S WHAT THE TWO STANDS FOR.

THE ZERO MEANS EITHER METAL OR SLATE ROOF.

AND AT THE TIME IT WAS VACANT.

UH, AND THE SLASHES MEAN THERE'S, UM, WINDOWS ON THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOORS.

UM, THE DASHES OUT FRONT MEANS A WOOD CORNICE OF SOME SORT.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S STILL THERE.

BUT, UH, IN THE NEXT, UH, IN THE NEXT ONE, UH, SHOWS, THIS IS NOW WHAT I, WHAT DOES THAT SAY? THAT IS 1904.

JUST A FEW YEARS LATER.

IT WAS, UH, NO LONGER VACANT.

THE X MEANS IT WAS BEING USED AS A STABLE.

AND NOW THAT CORNICE SEEMS TO BE ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.

SO MAYBE THEY DIDN'T NOTATE IT THE LAST TIME ALL THE WAY AROUND.

MAYBE THEY ADDED IT.

WHO KNOWS? UM, 95 AND A HALF WAS THE ADDRESS FOR THAT BUILDING.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY HAD AN ADDRESS FOR THE STABLE.

BUT, UH, THEN IN 19 0 8, 19 13 AND 1924 MAPS, UH, IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING.

AND THEN 1931 TO 1958, UM, THERE WAS ONE MAP THAT COVERS ALL THOSE YEARS.

UH, AND IT SHOWS IT AS A TWO STORY ACCESSORY BUILDING, AGAIN, WITH THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDES AND THE METAL OR SLATE ROOFING.

SO, UM, ALL THE WAY UP TO 1958.

SO THAT MUST BE, YOU COULD SAY, THE SAME BUILDING THAT WE HAVE THERE TODAY.

UH, THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE IS OBVIOUSLY OLDER THAN, UH, MODERN CONSTRUCTION.

UH, SO, AND THAT EXPLAINS ALL THAT THERE.

SO I WOULD SAY, MIKE, YES.

SO THE, THE, WHEN WAS THAT SURVEY DONE? THAT, THAT THE SHIPPO SURVEY? THE ONE THAT, THAT, UH, 2003.

WHAT'S THAT? 2003.

SO AT THAT POINT, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CALLED A ONE STORY BECAUSE THE SECOND FLOOR HAD BEEN REMOVED, RIGHT? SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN A TALL ONE STORY, RIGHT? POSSIBLY.

YOU CAN AGAIN SEE JUST A GLIMPSE OF IT THROUGH THE BUSHES AND TREES.

SO THEN THE, UH, APPLICANT ALSO PROVIDED SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF, UH, HOW VISIBLE THE STRUCTURE IS FROM THE STREET OR SIDEWALK.

AND SO, UM, BASICALLY WALKING FROM, UH, THERE'S ALONG THE SIDEWALK, YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT, UH, FRONT FENCE, UH, PIER BRICK, FENCE PIER HERE ON THE LEFT.

UH, AND THIS IS THEIR SIDE YARD.

AND SO LOOKING FROM THAT SIDEWALK ACROSS THE SIDE YARD, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE BUILDING HERE BE BEHIND EVERYTHING, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT.

UH, NEXT IS, OKAY, WE'LL COME BACK TO THEM IN A MINUTE.

THAT'S FOR OUR LATER, UM, PEOPLE TO JOIN US LATER.

THE NEXT ONE IS WALKING A LITTLE FARTHER.

OH, THIS IS ACTUALLY ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT SAME PHOTO.

UH, SO YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE DETAIL.

IF YOU HAPPEN TO STAND THERE AND LOOK AT IT.

UH, CAN SEE THE TWO SIDE WINDOWS, FOR EXAMPLE.

AND IT'S HARD TO SEE THE REST OF THE REST OF THE DETAILS OF THE BUILDING.

THEN YOU WALK A LITTLE FARTHER AND EVERYTHING STARTS TO BE OBSCURED BY THE BUSHES, UM, A LITTLE FARTHER.

AND THE ENTIRE BUILDING IS OBSCURED BY THE HOUSE.

THEN ON THE LEFT SIDE, AS YOU LOOK DOWN THE DRIVEWAY, YOU CAN OF COURSE SEE THE, UH, SEE THE BUILDING IN, IN THE BACKYARD THERE.

BUT, UH, A SECTION OF IT, HALF OF IT SAY THEN, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD TO THE LEFT, YOU CAN BARELY SEE ANYTHING THROUGH THEIR BUSHES THERE, OR THERE'S SMALL TREES, I GUESS.

OH, WHAT HAPPENED? AND THEN WALK A LITTLE FARTHER, THEY HAVE, UM, AN OPENING IN THEIR, UH, WALL WHERE AGAIN, JUST BARELY POKING THROUGH THE BUSHES AND TREES.

AND LASTLY, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE 'CAUSE THERE WAS AN OPENING IN THEIR BUSHES.

UM, AND FINALLY EVEN FROM, UH, THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE,

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ALRIGHT, UM, THEN, UH, THEY PROVIDED SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE ITSELF.

SO THE, THE FRONT PORTION OR THE, UH, WEST FACING PORTION HAS THE TWO, UH, GARAGE DOORS, UM, WOODEN GARAGE DOORS WITH THESE WOODEN HEADERS.

AND THEN THE TWO, UM, SECOND FLOOR ACCESS DOORS OR WINDOWS, UM, CENTERED ON THOSE DOORS.

IT'S ALSO TWO EXTERIOR LIGHTS THERE.

UM, AND THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE STILL SOME PLANTINGS THERE.

UH, BECAUSE, UH, HERE'S ANOTHER PHOTO.

IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE PLANTINGS ON THE RIGHT HAVE BEEN, UH, BEEN, UH, CUT BACK OR REMOVED, UH, THEN FROM THE FISH POND SIDE OR THE, THE, UH, SOUTHERN SIDE, UH, YOU CAN SEE OBVIOUSLY THESE TWO WINDOWS OR DOORS ON THIS SIDE.

AND THEN THERE WAS BRICKTON AREA AS WELL OVER HERE AS EVIDENCED BY THIS, UH, BRICK HEADER, UH, ANOTHER VIEW OF THE FRONT.

SO NOW ON THE INSIDE, UM, THIS HELPS JUST TO, UH, HELP US UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY THERE'S A SECOND FLOOR AND WHERE IT'S GOING AND ALL OF THAT ON THE INSIDE.

UM, THIS IS NOW LOOKING OUT OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THE, THE, AT THE FRONT GARAGE DOOR SIDE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOWS CARRY THROUGH THE BRICK.

THEY HAVEN'T BEEN RIPPED IN, UH, ON THE, THIS IS NOW THE BACKSIDE, UH, IT HAS ACTUALLY A DOOR ON THE UPPER FLOOR, WHEREAS THESE TWO ARE WINDOWS DOWN BELOW FACING THE RIVER TO THE EAST.

THEN, UH, THAT IS THE INSIDE OF THAT WALL.

SO THERE'S THAT DOOR.

AND NOW YOU CAN SEE HERE THERE'S A ROW OF A COUPLE ROWS OF BRICK UP HERE.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY CORDING, UM, FROM A THICKER LOWER WALL UP TO A THINNER UPPER WALL.

AND IT'S IN THAT LOCATION THAT THE FLOOR MUST HAVE BEEN, UH, CONSTRUCTED BECAUSE THIS BEING A DOOR, UM, THE DOOR, THE BOTTOM OF THE DOOR WOULD BE AT THE LEVEL OF THE FLOOR.

AND THEN THIS IS THE, UM, NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

SO THE DRIVEWAY IS ON THE RIGHT AND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS ON THE RIGHT.

UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THREE MORE OPENINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BRICKED BRICKED TO CLOSE.

BUT ON THE INSIDE, UH, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN BRICK BRICKED IN FULL THICKNESS, IT SEEMS. SO, UM, AT LEAST ON THE UPPER ONE, THE LOWER ONES ARE HARD TO SEE WITH THE OTHER THINGS IN FRONT OF THEM IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH.

SO, UM, ANOTHER VIEW OF THE, UM, SOUTH SIDE AND THEN THE INSIDE OF THE SOUTH SIDE.

SO HERE IT'S THE GARAGE DOOR ON THE RIGHT.

SO THAT'S THAT UPPER, UPPER DOOR WINDOW.

IT MAY EVEN STILL HAVE SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE, WOODEN STRUCTURE IN THE WINDOW OPENING, WHICH YOU CAN'T SEE THE LOWER ONES.

SO, UH, THEY ALSO PROVIDED AN ENGINEERING, UM, ASSESSMENT BY MR. COCHRAN.

UM, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER SOME OF THESE, UH, ITEMS HERE.

UH, HIS OBSERVATIONS WERE THAT, UM, THE INTERIOR BRICK WAS, UH, HAVING SOME ISSUES, UM, OF THE ROOF, UM, HAD SOME MINOR DISCOLORATION AND RUST, SO NOT TOO BAD.

AND THEN THE WOOD TIMBER ROOFING, UH, FRAMING HAD SOME PEST DAMAGE AND SOME SPLITTING AND CRACKING OF SOME OF THE MEMBERS.

SO THAT WAS A, THOSE WERE STRUCTURAL ISSUES.

AND ON THE EXTERIOR THERE'S SOME EXTENSIVE BRICK AND MORTAR EROSION AND DEGRADATION AND PREVIOUS REPAIRS, AND OF COURSE, UH, UH, WINDOW INFILLS.

AND THERE WERE HIS ESTIMATES FOR REPAIRING SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING WASN'T MENTIONED EARLIER, AT LEAST, UH, IN MY, JUST IN MY BRIEF SUMMARY, THAT THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING TO, UH, UH, LIFT THE ROOF

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UP, UH, A COUPLE COURSES OF BRICK IN ORDER TO, UM, I GUESS GET SOME MORE, UH, CEILING SPACE OR CLEARANCE UNDERNEATH THE ROOFING, UH, THE ROOF STRUCTURE FOR THE SECOND FLOOR.

AND SO, UH, THAT IS SHOWN HERE IN NUMBER SEVEN TO LIFT APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET IN HIS ESTIMATE, BUT I THINK IT'S MUCH LESS IN THE PROPOSAL .

AND, UM, SO HE HAD PROVIDED SOME PHOTOS.

UM, OF COURSE THIS IS ON THE INTERIOR, BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE BRICKS HAVE ACTUALLY, UM, WORN AWAY OR FALLEN OUT IN SOME CASES.

SO, UH, AND THERE'S A, UH, DECAYED, UM, PEST DAMAGE ON ONE OF THE CROSS MEMBERS, STRUCTURAL CROSS MEMBERS.

UH, HERE HE CIRCLED A SPLIT, UH, CROSS MEMBER AS WELL.

SO THOSE ARE SOME STRUCTURAL THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH.

BUT, UH, THEN, UH, THIS IS A, UH, PROBABLY A MORE CLEAR VIEW OF THE CONDITION OF THE BRICK ON THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

UM, SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO REPOINT ALL OF THIS.

THEY PROVIDED SOME SKETCH ELEVATIONS.

UH, A FEW OF THE ELEVATIONS, TWO OF THE FOUR ELEVATIONS ARE SHOWN HERE.

THIS IS EXISTING AND SHOWS THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN, WHICH IS ONLY ONE FLOOR.

AND THE SECTION THROUGH IT, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, THE WALL STEPS BACK, UM, AS IT GETS HIGHER FOR THE SECOND FLOOR.

UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED OR SKETCHED PROPOSAL THAT MAY HAVE MODIFIED SLIGHTLY SINCE THEN.

BUT, UH, ESSENTIALLY THEY'D LIKE TO, UM, PUT A DECK ON THE BACK OF THE GARAGE OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, SORRY, WITH, UH, STAIRS DOWN THIS, UH, THE SOUTH, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, WHERE THE FISH POND IS RIGHT NOW.

UH, AND UNDERNEATH THEY WOULD USE IT AS MAYBE A CARPORT.

UM, AND, UM, LET'S SEE.

AND THEN THEY'RE SHOWING SOME, UH, NEW, UH, OPERATING WINDOWS OR DOORS, UH, IN THE CURRENT OPENINGS, UH, BOTH THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR.

SECOND FLOOR BEING OBVIOUSLY A DOOR OUT TO THE DECK.

AND THAT'S THEN THE STAIRWAY WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE.

UM, AND I BELIEVE THE GARAGE DOORS ARE TO BE UNCHANGED, CORRECT? OR, OR LOOK LIKE, YEAH, I THINK THEY SAID THAT THEY REPLICAS PUT NEW DOORS THAT KIND OF LOOK LIKE THESE, YEAH.

SO, UH, THEY PROVIDED TWO OF THE FOUR ELEVATIONS HERE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT LOOKS THE SAME, THE BACK ALSO LOOKS THE SAME.

WAIT, THESE LOOK LIKE THE EXISTING ONES, BUT HERE'S A NEW SECTION WITH THE NEW FLOOR IN IT.

SO, BECAUSE THE, UH, BACK, THE BACK ONE DOESN'T SHOW THE, UH, DOESN'T SHOW THE, UH, DECK AT ALL.

AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY SKETCHES OF THE DECK.

MAYBE IT WASN'T PART OF THE PROJECT AT THE TIME THE SKETCHES WERE CREATED.

SO THEN THEIR VISION, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A VISION DOCUMENT FOR THEM.

THEY'D LIKE THE FRONT TO LOOK LIKE THIS AND BE ABLE TO OPEN THE WINDOWS AND HAVE, UH, ACTUAL WINDOWS IN THERE.

UM, THEN ON THE, UH, SO WOULD BE ALMOST LIKE SHUTTERS? YES, YES, SURE.

IF YOU CAN, YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE, UNFORTUNATELY.

AND YOU HAVE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

I'M SORRY, I'M ALYSSA ALFORD, MY HUSBAND MIKE IS SITTING OVER HERE.

AND THEN JONATHAN WILKINS, WHO IS ALSO HERE WITH US.

SO THE, THESE PHOTOGRAPHS, THEY'RE AI GENERATED, AND AI DID NOT ALWAYS COOPERATE.

SO SOMETIMES THE WINDOWS AREN'T EXACTLY WHAT, BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD AT LEAST HELP ALL OF US OURSELVES INCLUDED WITH AN IDEA OF WHAT MIGHT THIS LOOK LIKE WHEN WE FINISH.

SO THEY'RE NOT PERFECT.

THEY'RE, THIS WHOLE THING IS A WORK IN PROGRESS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE.

SO THANK YOU, .

THE BRICK IS IN SUCH BAD SHAPE ON THE INSIDE.

SO, AND HERE THEY'RE, UH, SHOWING, THEY'RE PROPOSING THREE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WERE MEANING TO PUT THIS OTHER WINDOW WHERE THE BRICKED IN ONE WAS OR NOT, BUT, UM, SO, SO, SO YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT REPLACING ALL THE PLACEMENT OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.

IS THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S SORT WHERE WE'RE YEAH, YOU CAN IF, YEAH, AGAIN, JUST, JUST YES, THANK YOU.

THANKS.

THAT'S OUR THOUGHT IS TO OPEN IT UP AND PROVIDE SOME LIGHT AND SOME AIR IN THERE.

UM, BUT SOME OF IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON STRUCTURALLY BECAUSE THE,

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SOME, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT CAN SUPPORT.

UM, SO, SO THE ONES THAT HAVE THE, THE SHUTTER DOORS NOW WOULD STILL HAVE SHUTTER DOORS.

THE ONES ON THAT NORTH SIDE MAY OR MAY NOT, DEPENDING ON THE STRUCTURAL BRICK.

IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

WHAT I'M HEARING THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEN, UH, THE REAR IS, UH, SHOWN HERE.

NOW WE SEE THE, UH, THE DECK, UH, ON THE BACK HERE.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN I THINK THE DRAWING WAS SHOWING.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THE, UM, THE STAIRWAY ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE.

UM, IT DOES SHOW A BROAD SWATH OF LARGE OPENING WITH SOME GLASS DOORS.

UM, NOT SURE IF THAT'S STILL IN THE PLAN OR NOT.

UM, THEN ON THE SOUTH, I MEAN, YES, THE SOUTH SIDE NOW IT SHOWS THE, UH, THE STAIRWAY.

UM, THE DECK IS, UH, NOT AS WIDE AS IT PROBABLY WOULD BE, BUT YOU GET AN IDEA ANYWAY.

UM, THIS, UH, THE STAIRWAY DOES COME IN FRONT OF THE ONE WINDOW THERE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT THE WINDOWS THERE WHERE THE OLD WINDOWS USED TO BE, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.

HOW'S THAT GONNA WORK IF YOU HAVE SHUTTER WINDOWS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STAIRCASE? YEAH.

THOSE ARE NO SHUTTER ON THAT ONE.

YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, .

WELL, AND, AND I ACTUALLY THOUGHT MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IF YOU ARE, UH, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET RID OF THE FISH POND OR NOT, BUT THAT THE STAIRWAY COULD ACTUALLY WRAP AROUND BEHIND THE FISH POND AND AVOID IT ENTIRELY.

AND YOU CAN KEEP THE FISH POND.

BUT, UH, THAT WAS JUST MY IDEA ANYWAY.

I HAD A BUNCH OF, UH, DISCUSSION ITEMS IF YOU WANTED TO GO OVER ANY OF THESE.

UM, OVERALL THE CONCEPT SEEMS TO BE AN ACCEPTABLE TYPE OF PROJECT, BUT NEED SOME CLARIFICATIONS, UH, PLAN, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE WERE, UH, THESE ARE REALLY PRELIMINARY PLANS AND IDEAS, UM, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AN IDEA FROM US.

YOU KNOW WHAT? SURE.

ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE OLD SPAGHETTI ON THE WALL THING, SEE WHAT STICKS.

SO , YES.

SO, UM, UH, AND THEN JUST IF, IF THIS WERE TO COME A LITTLE FARTHER ALONG, WE WOULD NEED, YOU KNOW, SITE PLAN TO SHOW THE NEW DECK.

THE STRUCTURE, UH, WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PASS THE, THE, UH, FLOODPLAIN STRUCTURAL REQUIREMENTS.

UM, UH, THAT STRUCTURE THAT THEY'VE SHOWN IS NOT TOO UNUSUAL.

SO IT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT THAT BIG A DEAL.

UM, UH, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UM, UM, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THERE MAY BE AN EXEMPTION FOR THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

UH, AND SAME THING ABOUT NUMBER SIX.

THERE'S, UH, DOESN'T APPLY BECAUSE, UM, WE FOUND THAT, UH, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE DOESN'T NEED TO COMPLY WITH THAT.

UH, AND, UH, WE DO REQUIRE THAT THE DECK IS TO BE STRUCTURALLY SEPARATED FROM THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, WHICH, UM, IT LOOKED LIKE THE ONE PLAN SHOWED, YOU KNOW, SET A SERIES OF COLUMNS ALONG THE FACE OF THE, OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

SO THAT SEEMED TO BE THEIR PLAN ANYWAY.

UM, THAT WAS 18 INCHES IS HOW MUCH THEY WERE LOOKING TO FILL IN THE ONE PLAN, MAYBE MORE, MAYBE LESS BY NOW.

UM, AGAIN, UM, I GUESS MAYBE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR YOU GUYS FOR SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.

UM, I MENTIONED SIX BY SIX WINDOW, SIX OVER SIX WINDOWS, SORRY, IN THE, UH, HISTORIC DESCRIPTION.

UM, UH, MAYBE THE NEW ONES SHOULD BE THE SAME, UH, NEW WINDOWS AND DOORS, UM, COULD BE SET BACK FARTHER INTO THEIR OPENINGS.

YOU KNOW, AI DOESN'T KNOW TO DO THAT.

SO, UM, AGAIN, UH, UH, PRELIMINARY, UH, AND THEN WE'LL NEED TO KNOW THE MATERIALS FOR ALL THE VARIOUS PARTS, UM, AND THE DECK, UH, TO THE APPROPRIATE SIZE.

UH, SOME OF THE DETAILS WE'LL NEED AND FINISHES FOR THE DECK AND STRUCTURAL RAILING AND THE STEPS AND THE RENDERINGS WOULD THEN ALL BE REVISED OR, OR REMOVED.

UM, SO THAT'S IT.

QUESTION.

HAVE THE, UM, THE WHITE SHUT, THE SOLID WHITE SHUTTERS.

SO IS IT FAIR TO CHARACTERIZE THIS? WE YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S SHOWSTOPPERS OR PROBLEMS? YES.

SO WE, WE'VE BEEN SPINNING ABOUT THIS.

YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY COOL OLD BUILDING.

IT IS A COOL THAT IF SOMETHING DOESN'T HAPPEN TO IT ONE DAY, IT'S GONNA FALL APART.

NO AG ADMIRABLE GOAL.

GOSH, ABSOLUTELY.

WELL, YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE DAUNTING.

SO DO ARE, DO ANY OF THE, ARE ANY OF THE WINDOWS EXISTING? I KNOW THERE'S SOME STILL SHUTTERS THERE.

THERE'S NO GLASS WINDOWS AT NO GLASS AT IN ANY OF THEM.

CAN I? AND THEY'RE NOT THE ONES THAT

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UM, I I'M ASSUMING THEY WOULD OPEN, THEY'RE HINGED.

BUT THERE'S NO GLASS AT ALL.

SO COMING FROM A FAMILY OF BARN BUILDERS, THAT'S SOMETHING I'M REALLY FAMILIAR WITH.

Y'ALL DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT, BEEN AROUND A LOT OF BARNS AND, AND CARRIAGE HOUSES, WHAT THOSE WERE PROBABLY USED FOR AT ONE POINT IN TIME, THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD STORE HAY STORAGE IF THAT'S WHAT FIGURED TOO.

AND THEN YOU WOULD WANNA BE ABLE TO OPEN THEM SO ON BOTH SIDES TO GET THAT CROSSWIND TO COM, YOU KNOW, TO, UM, PERMIT MOLD AND MILLING AND ALL THAT FROM BUILDING UP IN IT.

SO I LOVE THE IDEA THAT IF YOU'RE ABLE TO KEEP THAT, THAT CHARACTER OF THAT WITH THE, UM, WITH THE, THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS USED.

IT WAS NOT REALLY A WINDOW.

IT WAS LIKE MORE LIKE DOUBLE DOORS THAT WOULD DO TO, TO PUT THE, THE, THEY PROBABLY HAD THIS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

THERE WAS PROBABLY AN EXTERIOR LADDER THAT WENT UP TO BE ABLE TO HAUL THE, THE HAY UP THERE AT ONE TIME.

AND THAT WAY THEY COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD STORE IT.

'CAUSE IT WAS THE BEST PLACE TO STORE IT TOO, TO PREVENT FIRES AND THAT SORT OF THING.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED THAT FROM READING ABOUT THE HOUSE AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED, THAT THEY PROBABLY BROUGHT THINGS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE WHARF MM-HMM .

AND STORED 'EM UP FROM THE BACK AND THEN THEY PUT 'EM ON WHATEVER WAGONS FROM THE FRONT AND TOOK 'EM OUT TO TRADE OR WHATEVER.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

AND YEAH, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T SEE THOSE VERY OFTEN, SO BEING ABLE TO KEEP THAT WOULD BE JUST GREAT.

ABSOLUTELY GREAT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SO YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT, ABOUT PUTTING LIKE TRUE WINDOWS INSIDE SO THAT YOU COULD OPEN 'EM AND, AND HAVE A, HAVE GLASS INSIDE NOT TO HAVE.

SO YOU'D HAVE SOME LIGHT COMING IN.

AND WERE YOU THINKING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, I'M SORRY, THE, THE, UM, UM, THE, THE 2003, UM, SURVEY SHOWED SIX OVER SIX WINDOWS.

ARE YOU, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT PUTTING THE SAME TYPE OF WINDOWS IN THAT THAT WAS THERE? WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S INTERESTING.

I HADN'T SEEN THAT SURVEY UNTIL I READ THE INFORMATION THAT MAP PUT IN THERE.

SO I THINK SO.

I MEAN, THAT'D BE COOL.

WE SORT OF DIDN'T REALLY KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO DO.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

I THINK THAT THAT'D BE A NICE TOUCH.

SO THIS IMAGE HERE HAS SIX OVER SIX IN IT, SO YOU SOMEHOW STUMBLED ON IT ANYWAY.

WELL, YEAH.

ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH, UH, PETERSON BECK'S BOOK, HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE OF NEWBURGH? I'M SORRY, REPEAT WHAT? YOU JUST, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH PETER BECK'S BOOK, HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE? YES.

SO THERE IS A BLURB IN HERE ABOUT THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

OH, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT.

IT WOULD BE WORTH READING IF YOU HAVEN'T.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU SAY? I DIDN'T DO.

SEND IT BACK ON, UH, LET'S SEE.

TODAY ONLY ONE OF THE BUILDING OUT, UH, ONE OF THESE OUTBUILDINGS SURVIVES SECURITY SQUARE BRICK TWO STORY STRUCTURE COVERED BY A LOW HIP ROOF.

IT'S BRICK WORK DISPLAYS A COMBINATION OF FLEMISH BOND AND LANAR COMMON COMBINE.

THERE'S SURVIVAL OF SOME EARLY SINGLE LEAF BOARD AND BAT AND SHUTTERS WITH RAW HARDWARE SUGGEST THIS BUILDING DATES FROM THE FIRST HALF OF THE 19TH CENTURY, IT WAS MOST LIKELY A WAREHOUSE OR STABLE, POSSIBLY WITH QUARTERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

AND THERE IS A REFERENCE IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THIS THAT, UH, THERE WERE WHARFS OUT ALONG THE RIVER AT ONE TIME.

SO WHAT THE USE OF THE STRUCTURE IS, IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF THINGS AND IT MAY HAVE EVOLVED LIKE MOST.

SO, UM, UM, WE'RE ALL COOL WITH THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE FOR THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, RIGHT? OH, ABSOLUTELY.

THERE ARE SO FEW OF THESE LEFT.

SO I THINK, I THINK THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT WHERE'S YOUR BIGGEST MAKER, SO FORGE FORWARD OKAY, BY, WE JUST DIDN'T WANNA GET OUR HOOKS UP AND DIVE IN A PLANT AND THEN BE LIKE, WHICH I THINK IN, IN SOME WAY HELPS BECAUSE IT IS THEN A LOT OF THE, OF THE, UH, FLOOD REQUIREMENTS THAT NORMALLY WOULD APPLY MAY NOT BECAUSE IT'S A CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE, CORRECT? MM-HMM .

SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THOUGHT FOR A SECOND YOU'RE GONNA GET DOUBLE WHAMMY, HISTORIC AND FLOOD.

I KNOW, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE HISTORIC MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP YOU OUT TO IT HERE.

NOW I, I NOTICED IN HERE ON THE ONE RENDERING, YOU HAVE LIKE A FULL SET OF GLASS DOORS ON THE BOTTOM.

UM, AND THEY'RE THE, I KNOW Y'ALL ARE LAUGHING THAT I SAID WILDLIFE, BUT I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN THE RACCOON AND EVERYTHING, THE OTTERS.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE CONSIDERING OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT'S WELL, WE SORT OF TOSSED THAT AROUND 'CAUSE OUR IDEA WAS, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD LIKE A WORKOUT SPACE DOWNSTAIRS, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, HAVE STORAGE, HAVE WORKOUT, IT'D BE COOL TO BE ABLE TO SORT OF, SORRY, OPEN LIKE ACCORDION DOORS AND HAVE THE BREEZE COMING OFF THE RIVER.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK SOME OF IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON WHAT WE COME UP WITH ARCHITECTURALLY, I THINK STRUCTURALLY TOO.

AND STRUCTURALLY, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME, YES.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE POND.

YOUR INTENTION TO KEEP THE POND OR WHAT YOU INCORPORATE THAT WITH? WELL, WE, WE HAVE A LOVE HATE RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR FOY POND WITH ALL POND.

UM, AS RECENTLY AS LAST WEEK, MIKE WATCHED A BALD EAGLE SWOOP DOWN AND TAKE ONE OF OUR COY.

THE WEEK BEFORE WE HAD HAD SEVEN FOY, AND NOW WE CAN FIND ONE.

SO WE, SO SO YOU'RE KIND OF LIKE FEEDING THE LOCAL WILDLIFE, RIGHT? WE HAVE A SUSHI BAR IN OUR BACKYARD.

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UM, SO WE, WE DON'T KNOW.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP THINKING THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DO WITH THIS AND WILL AFFECT WHAT WE DO WITH THE LAWN AND THE GARDENS AND WE JUST HAVE TO DO, WE KNOW HOW EAT THE ELEPHANT ONE BITE AT A TIME.

DO WE KNOW HOW THAT POND IS JUST AS A, I THINK THE POND WAS PUT IN, WAS IN PLACE BY 1972.

I THINK MORLEY WILLIAMS WHEN HE WAS DOING THE PALACE GARDENS ALSO DID THE GARDENS AT THIS HOUSE.

BUT A LOT.

BUT SOME OF IT HAS BEEN REMOVED.

SOME OF THE PATIOS AND THE HEDGES AND THINGS, AND I THINK IT WAS PUT IN, FROM WHAT I'VE READ, AT THE SAME TIME, NEWBORN COULD USE A ZOO.

WE, WE GOT ONE, WE GOT ONE .

IN WHAT WAYS THAN WHY ELEVATING THE ROOF IS SOLELY TO MAKE IT MORE USABLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR FLOOR TO, TO MAKE THE FLOOR THE, THE, I HAD MIKE STAND ON A WORKOUT BOX AND RAISE HIS HANDS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF HE WAS WORKING OUT HOW TIGHT.

AND SO WE'VE EITHER HAD TO RAISE THE, THE, THE FIRST FLOOR OR THE SECOND FLOOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST BECAUSE I TO DO YOU SAY PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME ELENA OR ALANA? ELENA.

ELENA'S POINT.

I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY USED FOR HAY AND OR BARRELS OF SOME SORT.

SO, SO IF HUMANS WERE LIVING UP THERE, I HAVE A FEELING THEY WERE NOT GETTING PAID.

UM, SO, SO, SO THAT WHEN YOU LIFT THE ROOF STRUCTURE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BRICK IN THE REST.

ARE YOU GONNA USE THE SAME, THE SAME TIMBERS OR ARE, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT TIMBERING? I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL IF WE COULD SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD USE ALL THE SAME TIMBERS, BUT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE TIMBERS, EITHER AS ACCENTS OR BECAUSE THEY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, JOHN, YOU MIGHT WEAR THEIR, LIKE PEG AND MORTIS.

THEY'RE JOINED, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? MORTIS.

MORTIS MORTIS 10.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME LOOK AT IT.

NO, IT'S, IT'S GOOD.

IT'S VERY COOL.

I THINK WE'VE ALL, ALL ADMITS A COOL BUILDING.

AND, AND I THINK YOU'RE MAKING GOOD USE OF THE STRUCTURE TO HAVE A VIEW OF THE WATER, WHICH MIGHT BE LACKING IN SOME OF YOUR FIRST FLOOR.

IT IS BECAUSE THE BUILDING BLOCKS IT, IT, THE BUILDING BLOCKS IT, SO YOU ONLY GET THE VIEW FROM THE SECOND STORY.

AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT SPACE FOR YOU TO ENTERTAIN OR EXERCISE OR WHATEVER YOU USE.

UH, AND PLUS THE SECOND FLOOR BACK ALREADY HAS THE DOOR TO THE SECOND.

SO OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE AT ONE POINT.

MM-HMM.

PROBABLY NOT A DECK, RIGHT? NO.

RICHARD OR JOHN, ANY CONCERNS OR COMMENTS? NO, I MATT, THE, THE DECK WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET WHAT ALL OF THE, THE LIMB.

LIMB YES.

RULES, CORRECT? YES.

BECAUSE THAT'S A NEW STRUCTURE.

AND AS YOU POINT OUT, THAT SHOULDN'T BE ATTACHED TO THE, TO THE OLD STRUCTURE.

THAT SHOULD BE, SO WHEN YOU SAY NOT ATTACHED, YOU JUST MEAN IT NEEDS TO BE ON PILINGS AND IT'S ON A, A SET OF FIXED, IT COULD BE REAL CLOSE, BUT YOU CAN'T USE THE BUILDING FOR SUPPORT.

IT HAS TO HAVE A, UH, AND IT PRIMARILY IS GONNA AFFECT THE, THE COLUMNS NOT THE DECK ITSELF BECAUSE THE, THE WAVES AREN'T THAT TALL.

RIGHT? YEAH.

BUT WHAT THAT MEANS THOUGH THEN IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE COLUMNS ON, ON THE BOTTOM OF THE DECK IN FRONT OF THAT.

SO YOU MAY HAVE TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF WINDOWS DOORS YOU HAVE.

YOU PROBABLY, I WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT FULL YEAH.

ACCORDION THING AND, AND I'M NOT SURE YOU, YOU REALLY WANT THAT ANYWAY.

YEAH, WE HAVE A LOT TO THINK ABOUT , BUT THANK YOU.

SO, UM, IT'S EXCITING.

UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT USING THE FIRST FLOOR IS A WORKOUT AREA.

I THINK THE, THE FLOOD, UM, ORDINANCE WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT.

UM, YOU PROBABLY WANT, IF YOU DID THAT, YOU'D PROBABLY WANT TO AIR CONDITION IT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THAT STARTS TO GETTING INTO, UM, YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO USE THAT FOR STORAGE WAS WORKING.

SO WE FLIP FLOP BUT OR SOMETHING.

SO, UM, ONCE YOU START THINKING ABOUT, UH, AIR CONDITIONING OR HEATING OR HOW ABOUT THE SECOND FLOOR, MATT, THEN THAT STARTS TO, IF THAT WAS ABOVE FLOOD, COULD THEY HEAT OR, OR COOL THE SECOND FLOOR.

SO THEY COULD DO THE SECOND FLOOR.

NO PROBLEM.

SO YEAH, SO I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IS, AND I THINK MATT'S POINT'S A GOOD ONE ISN'T IF YOU CAN'T DO IT ON THE FIRST FLOOR, MAYBE YOU COULD DO SOMETHING ON THE SECOND AND THAT MIGHT, AND MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T NEED THOSE BIG DOORS THEN ON MM-HMM .

ON THE, AND THAT WOULD BE GOOD TOO FROM A HISTORIC STANDPOINT TO KEEP THAT, THAT FACADE IN THE BACK IS YES.

AGREED.

SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? 'CAUSE IT'S, THIS IS GONNA BE A JOURNEY.

MAY GET SOME QUESTIONS FROM PEOPLE, UH, ABOUT IT.

IT IS GOING TO BE A JOURNEY.

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MATT? FIVE 12 MEDCALF.

OKAY, SO THAT ONE'S COMING TO ANOTHER DR MEETING, RIGHT? ALRIGHT.

FIVE 12 METCALF.

SO THIS ONE IS, UH, A MINOR WORK THAT I JUST WANTED YOU TO GET AN FYI ON BECAUSE, UM, UH, YOU

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IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL.

IT'S A PLACE STRUCTURE THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE BACKYARD OF THIS HOUSE.

UM, AND IT WAS CONSTRUCTED TO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO NOW IT'S BEEN MOVED.

UH, AND UM, IT'S ALSO, UH, APPROXIMATELY 12 FEET HIGH IN ALL EIGHT FEET WIDE.

UH, ESSENTIALLY.

UM, LET'S SEE, AND THEN THIS IS, I'M GONNA MAKE IT A LITTLE SMALLER SO YOU CAN SEE THE CONTEXT.

UH, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.

UH, SO, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S THE, UH, IT'S NEAR THE, THE BACK, UH, PROPERTY LINE.

UH, BUT THAT'S, UH, WITHIN THE SETBACK AREA.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT WITHIN IT, IT MEETS THE SETBACK FOR THE RACK BACK PROPERTY LINE.

IT HAS NO PROBLEMS WITH THE SIDE, SIDE YARDS OBVIOUSLY.

UM, AND SO ALSO THIS GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY IF YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, OUR APPROVAL OR COA, UH, ANY CONDITIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

OR IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO COME BACK AS A MAJOR WORK, UM, YOU CAN DO THAT AT THIS POINT TOO.

SO THAT'S ALMOST LIKE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

WELL, EXCEPT IT'S A PLACE STRUCTURE AND, BUT IT, IT'S STILL, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A ROOF, IT HAS NO WINDOWS.

IT'S NOT CONDITIONED IN ANY WAY OR ANY OF THAT.

OH, SO THAT'S FINISHED.

THERE'S NO ROOF ASSOCIATED WITH YES, CORRECT.

AND THERE'S NOTHING BUT PILINGS.

THERE'S NO FOUNDATION THERE OR IS THERE, CORRECT.

WELL THE, THEY OBVIOUSLY GO IN THE GROUND.

SAY THERE'S PROBABLY CONCRETE AROUND THE, YEAH.

SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.

SO NO, UH, THE COME ON UP.

ARE THE OWNERS HERE? YEAH.

SO ZACH ORMAN, FIVE 12 METCALF STREET.

AND WE HAD INITIALLY CONSTRUCTED THIS.

I SPOKE TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND WAS ESSENTIALLY TOLD, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T EXCEED 12 FEET IN ANY DIRECTION, IT'S FINE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

UM, I DID HAVE IT IN THE GROUND INITIALLY, BUT I HAD TO, UM, REMOVE THAT.

BUT NOW THAT IT'S IN ITS ENTIRE IN BUILDING ITS ENTIRETY, IT'S, IT'S, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED THE, THE POST TO BE IN THE GROUND AT THIS POINT.

SO SAY THAT AGAIN.

SO IT IT USED TO BE CONCRETED IN WHEN I, WHEN I FIRST BUILT IT.

BUT NOW IT IS JUST, BUT NOW IT'S NOT SITTING ON OR JUST BURIED UP TO CORRECT.

AND THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A ROOF ON IT.

SO THIS IS, I HAVE A, I HAVE A TARP, LIKE A, LIKE A POLY, UM, NYLON TYPE OF MATERIAL TO PUT OVER IT IF THEY'RE OUT THERE IN THE SUN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL, UM, WOOD NO STRUCTURE WOOD, YEAH.

NO ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE BEYOND THAT.

THE GUIDELINES FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TALK ABOUT MINIMAL OR, UH, NONS SUBSTANTIAL, WELL SUBSTANTIAL FOUNDATIONS.

SO, SO WOULD THIS BE TREATED LIKE A GAZEBO THEN? I MEAN, PAC YARD, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK MATT? WELL, I, IT, I TREAT IT LIKE A PLAY STRUCTURE.

PLAY PLAY EQUIPMENT IS IN THE GUIDE.

IF YOU WENT TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WENT TO WHATEVER PLAY WORLD OR WHATEVER, WHEREVER YOU BUY THOSE THINGS, AND A LOT OF 'EM HAVE THE PLASTIC, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PLASTIC SLIDES AND ALL THAT STUFF.

WHAT IS THE BOARD STANCE ON PURCHASING, PLAY MATERIAL AND PUTTING IT IN YOUR YARD? THAT'S RIGHT.

SO, SO THE UM, IS, IS THE 12 FOOT LIMIT, UM, THAT HE MENTIONED, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES FOR PLAY STRUCTURES? IT'S BUILDING CODE BUILDING.

IF THE BUILDING PERMIT DOESN'T KICK IN UNTIL YOU'RE AT 12, 12 FEET.

SO ANY PLAY SET PLAY THING WOULD BE FINE AS LONG AS IT, IT HAS A, A MAXIMUM 12 FOOT.

SO YOU SLIDE NOT FOOT TALL.

SO THAT'S FROM THE GROUND TO THE, IT'S A HEIGHT, 12 FOOT.

WELL I THINK THE QUESTION HERE IS SHOULD IT REMAIN A MATTER OF WORK OR DO WE NEED TO SEE IT? AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE A MATTER OF WORK AND IT LOOKS GREAT AND ROCK ON.

AND SO WE HAVEN'T TOLD IT'S EASILY REMOVABLE.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE THERE IF SOMEBODY BUYS YOUR HOUSE AND DOESN'T WANT COR.

THE INTENTION WAS TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT LASTED THE LIFE OF THE MATERIALS OR INTO OUR CHILDREN AGED OUT.

LIKE THEY'RE OLD ENOUGH THAT THEY USE IT.

YOU GUYS DON'T HANG IN THERE.

I SAID YOU GUYS DON'T HANG IN THERE

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NOT US TOO MUCH.

UH, I TRY TO STAY OUT OF IT.

UM, THEY USE IT A BIT, BUT, AND SO, UH, RICHARD, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I THINK THAT THE QUESTION IS, UM, SHOULD THIS BE ONLINE OR LIKE I WOULD, I WOULD SAY YEAH, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU RICHARD.

MY INTENTION WAS TO BUILD IT, TO MIMIC THE HOUSE SO THAT IT, IN MY OPINION, LOOKED BETTER THAN SOMETHING YOU WOULD GO AND SPEND, YOU KNOW, $3,000 ON AT ONE OF THESE PLACES.

HAVE IT COME IN WITH, UM, SYNTHETIC MATERIALS THAT, THAT DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, LOOK LIKE THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO MY INTENT WAS A, I DIDN'T REALIZE IS THAT WOOD OR IS THAT PLASTIC SITES? IS THAT ALL WOOD? THAT'S ALL WOOD AND THE SIDING AND, AND EVERYTHING.

I HAD BRENT CUT AT SUPERIOR AT, UM, PRECISION MOLDING TO UM, BE THE EXACT SAME SIZE AS THE SIDING OF OUR HOUSE IS PAINTED THE SAME COLOR OF OUR HOUSE.

SO THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS NICE AS POSSIBLE.

APPARENTLY I GOT IT TOO CLOSE TO THE BACK LINE.

I DID NOT REALIZE IT NEEDED TO BE THREE FOOT OFF.

SO, UM, THAT'S HOW WE GOT INVOLVED.

AT THAT POINT, I REALIZED I NEEDED TO, UH, GET APPROVAL FROM HPC, WHICH I DIDN'T REALIZE I NEEDED FOR A PLAY STRUCTURE, WHICH IS RIGHT.

MINOR.

I JUST HAD A QUESTION IS, SO THERE'S NO WINDOW IN THE BACK THAT OVERLOOKS THE, THE NEIGHBORS? NO.

SO MATT SAYS WE CAN'T VOTE.

ARE YOU COMFORTABLE DOING IT AS A MINOR? OH YEAH, THE SIGN.

SO MATT WILL BE YOUR CONTACT.

SO NOW I THINK WE HAVE, UM,

[2.D. 100 Middle St. (Doubletree) - replacement deck, new sunscreens, and new outdoor bar in the Tertiary AVC. ]

100.

YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.

SO NOW WE HAVE TO GO INTO THE, UH, UH, TEAMS MEETING HERE OR AKA ZOOM.

SO, UM, I'M GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN.

YOU BETTER TELL HER SHE'S ON CAMERA NOW.

OKAY, BRANDY.

UH, HI.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? ALRIGHT.

CAN YOU SAY SOMETHING SO WE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

YES, WE ALL CAN.

PERFECT.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN SO YOU CAN, UH, UH, WE WON'T SEE YOU EITHER.

DON'T DO ANYTHING CRAZY THERE, RIGHT? ? YEAH.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

WE'LL BEHAVE OURSELVES.

SOUNDS GREAT.

ALRIGHT, SO, UM, NOW GO DOWN THE NEXT PROJECT.

ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR 100, UH, AND LET'S SEE HOW THAT LOOKS UP THERE.

GETTING WITH THAT OVER THERE.

ALRIGHT, UH, FOR 100, UH, MIDDLE STREET, THE DOUBLETREE HOTEL.

AND THIS IS THE APPLICATION THAT WE ACTUALLY SAW BACK IN, UH, DECEMBER.

UH, AND IT ACTUALLY IS SIGNED RIGHT THERE.

CAN YOU SEE THAT? KIND OF MAYBE , BUT, UH, YEAH.

SO, UH, CAMERON LASSETER OF, UH, CLEAR SCAPES, UH, THE COMPANY, THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM THAT'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS.

UH, UH, SIGNED IT THERE.

AND HERE WE HAVE, UH, UH, MR. HARRELSON'S, UH, AUTHORIZATION THAT CLEAR SCAPES MAY REPRESENT HIM IN THIS, UH, PROJECT.

UH, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH NOW THEIR SLIDESHOW.

UM, THIS IS THE AREA OF WORK BEHIND THE HOTEL IS THE, THE BACK PATIO, THE WHOLE ENTIRE BACK PATIO AREA THAT'S BACK THERE.

UM, WE'LL SEE SOME, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS IN A MINUTE.

THEY EVEN WENT AND DID THE, UH, THE SANDBORNE MAPS BY THEMSELVES.

I DIDN'T EVEN ASK 'EM TO DO THAT.

UH, BUT, UH, AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, THE LOCATION OF THE HOTEL USED TO BE A COMBINATION OF PIER AND WATER, UH, WAY BACK WHEN.

THIS IS FROM 1913.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF THAT, UH, ENTIRE, UH, MARINA AREA.

WHAT WE HAVE NOW TODAY WAS A WHOLE SERIES LIKE THAT BACK THEN.

ALRIGHT, SO YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT RETURNING THIS TO BE A CANAL AND AGAIN YEAH.

NO, NO CANAL ANYMORE.

AND UM, UM, I THINK A WOOD DECK AREA OVER IN THIS AREA.

TOO BAD AS MUCH AS THAT.

OOPS.

AS MUCH AS THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING.

UM, OKAY, SO, UH, THIS IS, UH, JUST A SITE PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE AREA DOWN THERE.

THE LEFT ONE HERE IS THE DOUBLE TREE HOTEL.

THE, UH, RIGHT ONE IS THE OTHER, UH, HOTEL THERE.

UH, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AREA WHERE IT SAYS POOL IN THAT SOMEBODY'S FRAME.

ALRIGHT, SO, UH, THIS IS A ZOOM IN ON THAT AREA.

CURRENT, UH, CONDITIONS.

UH, HERE'S THE POOL HERE, AND THEN THERE'S A PATIO OFF TO THE LEFT SIDE HERE, AND THEN THERE'S A GAZEBO

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UM, WHAT WE ALSO SEE HERE IS THAT THE DECK, UM, EXTENDS OUT INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, SO THERE'S AN ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT, UH, FOR THAT AREA, UM, GRANTED BY THE CITY.

AND WHAT WE'LL ALSO SEE HERE IS, UM, THIS LITTLE ANGLE, DOUBLE LINE HERE IS, THERE'S ACTUALLY UNDERNEATH THE DECK, THERE'S A RETAINING WALL THAT WAS ACTUALLY THERE BEFORE THE DECK.

UM, AND THAT WILL, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'VE HAD TO PAY ATTENTION TO AS WELL.

UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE WALKWAY ALONG HERE.

THAT'S WHERE THE WALKWAY IS TODAY.

AND THEN THE VERY LAST LINE HERE IS THE BULKHEAD AND BEYOND THAT IS THE MAR THE WATER IN THE MARINA.

ALRIGHT, CAN EVERYBODY SEE THAT OKAY? I MEAN, THE LINES ARE A LITTLE BIT THIN.

UM, I CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE, I SUPPOSE THAT WOULD BE BETTER.

UH, SO, UM, NOW THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, IN THAT SAME AREA TO BASICALLY, UM, I GUESS, UH, CUT THE, UH, TOP OF THE POOL DOWN AND FILL IN THE REST, I GUESS.

UH, THEY'RE GONNA LOWER THE ENTIRE DECK, UH, ALL THE ENTIRE AREA OF THE DECK.

THEY'RE GONNA LOWER IT, UH, FOOT OR TWO OR THREE AND THEN, UM, REDO THE ENTIRE SURFACE.

THEY'LL ADD OVER HERE ON THE LEFT, SOME OF THOSE, UM, SUN, UH, SAILS, UH, TO PROVIDE SOME SHADE DOWN IN THIS CORNER.

THE REST WILL BE LEFT OPEN.

UH, THEY'LL BE REBUILDING WITH THE, THE, UH, BAR IN A NEW LOCATION WITH THE NEW STRUCTURE.

WE'LL SEE IN A MINUTE.

UH, AND THEN, UM, OFF, UH, AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE EXTENDING THE, UH, THE DECK NOT ONLY IN THE FORMER ENCROACHMENT AREA, BUT INTO A NEW EXTENSION OF THE ENCROACHMENT AREAS.

IS THAT RIGHT, BRANDI? YOU DID GET THE EXTENSION OF THAT AREA.

WE DID.

ALRIGHT, SO CONTINUING ON, SO SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE WAY IT IS TODAY.

UM, THIS OBVIOUSLY THE POOL ON THE LEFT, AND THEN THIS IS THE WOOD DECK AREA THAT'S THERE.

THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POOL TO MOVE THIS OVER, UM, IS, UM, FLAGSTONE KIND OF, UH, PAVING.

UH, TO NOTE HERE IS THERE IS A, LIKE A TWO FOOT HIGH LITTLE BRICK WALL ALONG THE EDGE, UH, ALONG THE POOL AREA.

UH, OOPS, WHAT HAPPENED? COME ON.

WANTS TO DRAW A LINE.

ALRIGHT, THERE WE GO.

SO THEN, UH, THE VIEW MOST, MOST OF US ARE MOST FAMILIAR WITH IS THE VIEW FROM THE SIDEWALK AND, UM, THE UNDERSIDE OF THE DECK.

UH, SO, UH, UH, THE OWNERS ARE NOT REALLY TOO HAPPY ABOUT THAT VIEW, SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO FIX THAT, UH, BY LOWERING THIS DECK, UH, AND, AND CLOSING THE FRONT FACE.

BUT WHAT WE SEE HERE IS THE DECK WAS, UH, OR IS, UH, AT THE HEIGHT WHERE THIS, WHERE MY POINTER IS HERE, AND THEN THERE'S A BENCH ALONG THAT EDGE, RIGHT? YOU RAISED, UM, SEATING, SEATING AREA THERE, UH, WHICH YOU ALSO SEE IS A TREE ON THE LEFT.

AND THE TREE IS TO REMAIN.

AND WE HAVE SOME MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT UNDER HERE, WHICH ALSO HAS TO REMAIN.

AND THEN IN THE BACKGROUND IN THE DARK IS THAT RETAINING WALL THAT WAS, UH, THERE EVEN BEFORE THE DECK OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT, UM, IS A LONGER VIEW OF THAT WHOLE THING, RIGHT? THEN, UH, WE GO DOWN TO THE NEXT SET OF PHOTOS.

THAT'S THE CORNER WHERE THERE WILL NOW BE THE, UM, SUN SAILS.

AND THEN FROM THE OUTSIDE, LOOKING BACK IN TOWARDS WHERE THE SUN SALES WILL BE, THIS BRICK WALL APPARENTLY WILL BE CUT DOWN A FEW FEET, UM, IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE DECK TO ACTUALLY BE AT, AT A LOWER, UH, DECK ELEVATION.

AND WE'LL, I THINK WE'LL SEE IN A SECOND SOME DETAILS OF THE EDGE OF THE DECK.

UH, OKAY, SO THIS IS THE CURRENT STILL, AND THAT'S THE CURRENT, UM, GAZEBO BAR.

STAIRS DOWN FROM THE DECK DOWN TO, UH, THE SIDEWALK.

SO, OKAY.

SO NOW THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A FLOOR PLAN OF THAT, UH, OF THE PROPOSAL.

STOP IT.

UH, AND SO WE CAN SEE NOW IT'S EXTENDED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CORNER.

THEY'RE PROPOSING, I'M GONNA ZOOM IN.

THIS IS WAY TOO SMALL TO BE OF MUCH USE IN THE MIDDLE HERE NEXT TO THE TREE.

THEY'RE PROPOSING TO, UH, PUT SOME

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UH, AND THAT'S TO, UH, HOPEFULLY INVITE THE PUBLIC UP TO THIS AREA NOW.

AND THEY'VE ALSO INCLUDED A DESIGN WHERE THE, THERE'S LIKE SOME, UH, DOUBLE SIZE STEPS OFF HERE ON THE LEFT, OR TRIPLE SIZE STEPS ON THE LEFT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SIT THERE KIND OF LIKE, UH, STADIUM SEATING, UH, WITH THEIR DRINKS IN THEIR HAND AND LOOKING OUT AT THE, AT THE, AT THE MARINA, UH, OFF TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE TREE BECAUSE OF THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A, A SLIGHTLY ELEVATED PORTION OF THE NEW DECK THAT WILL, UM, PROBABLY BE A LITTLE STAGE OF SORTS OR SOME PERFORMING, PERFORMING ARTISTS.

UH, AND THEN JUST THE REST OF THE DECK IS HERE TOO.

AND SO YOU CAN AGAIN, SEE UNDERNEATH THE DECK OR MAYBE AT DECK LEVEL, UM, IS THE OLD RETAINING WALL.

SO, AND THEY'RE SAYING THIS WILL ALL BE ABOUT THREE FOOT SIX INCHES ABOVE THE SIDEWALK INSTEAD OF, NOW IT'S ABOUT FIVE OR SIX FEET.

RIGHT? OR MAYBE EVEN SEVEN FEET.

SO NEXT IS, UH, THE RENDERING, SORRY, OF THE PROJECT.

SO I'M GONNA FOCUS HERE ON THE AREA AROUND THE TREE WHERE YOU SEE THE STADIUM SEATING, THE STEPS, THE TREE, THE RAISED AREA, AND THEN AROUND THE ENTIRE EDGE IS, UM, SOME CLEAR, UM, OR, UM, CABLE, UH, RAILING.

UH, AND THE EDGE OF THE, THE, THE EDGE OF THE DECK, UM, COMES RIGHT OUT AT THIS HEIGHT.

IS THERE A CABLE UP ON, UP ON THE STAGE TOO? UM, LOOKS LIKE BEHIND THE STAGE? YEAH.

AND THAT'S THE SAME ALL THE WAY AROUND FOR THAT.

UM, SO LET'S SEE.

NO, YEAH, ON THE, ON THE, UH, MARINA SIDE OF THE STAGE IS, IS THERE A RAILING THERE? YES.

IT LOOKS LIKE A RIGHT THERE.

AROUND THE BACK.

SO ON THE MARINA SIDE? YES.

SO THE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN ON THE BACK? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT, AND MAYBE THE ON THE WALKWAY SIDE.

OH, HOLD ONTO IT TILL THE END.

UM, SO I DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY JUMPING OFF STAGE.

HERE'S A BETTER RENDERING ACTUALLY.

UM, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE MATERIALS SHOWN.

UM, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES.

AND THEN SAME THING OVER HERE.

AND NOW THEY'VE, UM, ADDED THE, UH, THE FULL RENDERING OF THE NEW BAR.

UH, THE LAST TIME WE SAW IT, THEY HAD TWO POSSIBLE OPTIONS, BUT THEY ARE, UM, BUT THEY'VE NOW DECIDED FOR THAT ONE.

I'M, GO DOWN A PAGE IF I CAN GET THERE.

HELLO? THEY WON'T LET ME.

OH, I KNOW.

IT'S VIEW RAIL.

SO THIS IS KIND OF WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE, RIGHT? SO IT DOESN'T BLOCK THE VIEW OF THE MARINA.

AND WHAT'S THAT? ABOUT A FOUR SIX INCH SEPARATION BETWEEN THE, THE CABLES.

UH, BRANDI, DID YOU HEAR THAT QUESTION? NO, I COULDN'T HEAR IT.

I'M SORRY.

BRANDI, IS THE, THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE CABLES, IS THAT LIKE FOUR SIX INCHES CODE MAXIMUM FOR THAT IS FOUR INCHES.

THEY WANT, UM, SPHERES OF FOUR INCHES OR LESS CAN PASS THROUGH IT, BUT NOT LARGER.

IT'S BASICALLY TRYING TO KEEP CHILDREN'S HEADS FIRST.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING.

CHILDREN'S HEADS, DOGS HEADS OR SOMETHING.

YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THEN ALONG THIS, THE EDGE OF THE ENTIRE DECK ALL THE WAY AROUND AS I'M TRACING IT HERE, UP TO THESE STEPS.

ALRIGHT, SO NEXT PAGE.

UH, THIS IS THE MATERIAL FOR THE, UH, SURFACE.

IT'S A CONCRETE PAVER TO MATCH EXISTING.

UM, AND THEN FOR THE, UH, LET'S SEE, THE DECKING, THE, AND THE, UH, SHADE SAILS.

THERE'S SOME IMAGES OF THAT.

NOW I'M GONNA HAVE TO ZOOM IN AGAIN.

SO THIS, UH, DRAWING SHOWS, SOME LIGHTING IT, UH, SOME CONCEALED I GUESS, OR, UH, STRING LIGHTING OR, UM, ROPE LIGHTING, I GUESS LED.

SO THERE'S, UH, UNDER THE SAILS THERE IS, UM, STRING LIGHTING, I GUESS UNDER THERE.

UH,

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AND THEN ALONG THE FACE OF THE STEPS AND THEN BACK AGAIN ALONG THE, THE DECK, THOSE ARE, IT'S ALL, UH, RECESSED, UH, LED LIGHTING AT THE CABLE RAIL OR RECESSED LINEAR LED LIGHTING AT THE STAIR TREADS AND BENCH SEATING.

ALSO, THE TREE WILL GET SOME STRING LIGHTING, STRING LIGHTS, UH, AND ALSO THE BAR ITSELF WILL HAVE UNDER COUNTER LED TAPE LIGHT ON THREE SIDES AT LEAST.

SO I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE AN IMAGE OF THAT HERE COMING UP.

SO THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN OR THE PLAN FOR THE BAR.

AND THEN, UM, HERE'S A RENDERING OF IT.

I, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, I, I SEE ALL THE RECESS LIGHTING THAT'S, UM, UNDER THE RAIL AND WHICH IS COOL AND ALL.

IS THERE, UM, LIGHT POLES THROUGHOUT THE DECK AT ALL, OR IS IT ALL THE, ALL THE LIGHTING JUST THROUGH THE, THE, UM, RECESSED LEDS? DID YOU HEAR THAT ONE, BRENT? ALL OF THE, I I THINK I DID.

I'M GONNA TRY TO ANSWER IT.

IF I MISSED A PART OF IT, JUST ASK IT AGAIN AND I'LL MAKE SURE I PICK IT UP.

IF THERE WERE ANY, UH, IF THERE'S ANY LIKE POLE LIGHT, ANY POLES RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO POLE LIGHTING PROPOSED.

THERE ARE, UM, BATTERY OPERATED, UM, LITTLE TABLE LIGHTS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR AREAS THAT HAVE DINING TABLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, THERE, UH, WILL BE LIGHTING AROUND THE BAR ITSELF.

IT, IT WILL HAVE LIGHTING.

UM, AND THEN I, I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE IS GONNA BE HANDLED THROUGH KIND OF MORE MOBILE THINGS OR BUILDING MOUNTED LIGHTING.

SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE, AND THERE'S EXISTING LIGHTING, SO NO TOWERS AND NO LIGHTING ON THE BUILDING ITSELF.

CAN YOU ASK THAT AGAIN? SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

SO NO LIGHT TOWERS AND NO LIGHTING ON THE BUILDING THAT, UM, THAT WILL LIGHT THE, THE SPACE.

SO THERE'S, THE LIGHTING THAT'S ON THE BUILDING CURRENTLY IS INTENDED TO REMAIN.

DOES THE, UH, BAR AREA ENC CLOSE ITSELF WHEN NOT IN USE? SO TO STAY OPEN LIKE THAT? NO, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

SO WHAT WE HAVE DESIGNED, AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON DETAILS FOR IT, IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, HURRICANE SHUTTERS THAT CONCEAL UP IN THAT CANOPY POCKET THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE.

THERE'S ENOUGH DEPTH AND SPACE FOR IT TO COIL UP IN THERE.

UM, AND BASICALLY THE COLUMNS THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE CORNERS, UM, RECEIVE A CONCEALED TRACK COMPONENT.

SO THEY'LL HAVE HURRICANE SHUTTERS THAT ARE DEPLOYABLE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE BAR'S CLOSED.

UM, AND THEN ALSO FOR STORMS, IT HAS TWO, TWO PURPOSES.

COOL.

I'M SORRY.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, YOU'RE DONE.

YOU'RE DONE.

I'M DONE.

YES, BECAUSE THAT'S, OH, WELL, I GUESS I COULD SHOW FOR, I'M SORRY.

I GUESS, UH, THIS, THEY ALSO DESCRIBED THAT THIS MATERIAL HERE IS A PORCELAIN TILE THAT'S A WOOD LOOK ON IT HAS THIS, UH, KIND OF, UH, RIBBED LOOK TO IT.

AND THEN, UH, UH, THE CANOPY IS A POWDER COATED METAL.

UM, AND THE UNDERNEATH THE COUNTER HERE IS A FLUTED TILE, AND THE COUNTERTOP IS QUARTZ.

NICE.

AND THAT'S IT.

SO THIS, AND THERE'LL BE ASSORTMENT OF TABLES AND CHAIRS ACROSS THE DECK.

I'M GUESSING THAT THAT'S RIGHT.

RIGHT NOW THE, UM, INTENT IS THAT THINGS, UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS IMAGE TO THE LEFT OF THE BAR ARE MORE TABLES AND CHAIRS.

THERE CAN BE SOME SOFT SEATING KIND OF MIXED IN WITH THAT.

SO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NICE HOTEL PATIOS THAT YOU'VE SEEN, UM, OUT AND ABOUT.

SO IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEN ON THE PROPOSED DECK AREA TO THE, UH, RIGHT OF THE PHOTO, IT'S A LITTLE MORE CASUAL SEATING.

SO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CHARACTER OVER THERE.

ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE BAR? I, I DO THINK WE'LL WANNA SEE THE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CLOSE MICRO MIC THE MIC.

I, I DO THINK WE'LL WANNA SEE THE HURRICANE SHUTTERS, UM, IN YOUR FINAL SUBMITTAL, JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ARE.

WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS.

'CAUSE WHAT ARE PRIMARILY GONNA BE SHUT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR, FOR THE OVERALL DESIGN.

YOU HEARD THAT? THAT'S IT.

I DIDN'T HEAR ALL OF IT.

I HEARD MOST OF IT.

SO LEMME LET ME POINT OUT THAT SHE CAN ONLY HEAR WHAT'S COMING OVER THE SPEAKERS, NOT WHAT'S GOING INTO YOUR MICROPHONE.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO SPEAK LOUD ENOUGH THAT WE HEAR IT.

'CAUSE IT'S GOING INTO MY LAPTOP.

THE, THE CONCERN WAS WHAT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN IT'S CLOSED UP.

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WHAT IT, WHAT THE BAR LOOKS LIKE WHEN CLOSED WITH THE SHUTTERS.

WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE BRING THAT FOR THE HEARING FOR SURE.

WE CAN BRING THE PRODUCT MATERIALS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS WELL AS WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

UM, CLOSE.

DO YOU NEED A RENDERING OF IT CLOSED OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE PRODUCT INFORMATION? CUT SHEET IS GOOD ENOUGH.

IS IT? OKAY? I THINK JUST A CUT SHEET.

ANYTHING ELSE? AND WE GET TO PICK WHAT BEERS ARE ON TAP.

WHAT? JUST SAID NOTHING.

A JOKE.

WE'RE FINE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS A JOKE AND I MISSED IT.

I WAS SO SAD.

WE, WE IGNORE HIM TOO.

NOT ON PURPOSE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER ZOOM.

YEAH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

WE HAVE SEVEN 10 AND HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

ALRIGHT, PERFECT.

OKAY, SO, UH, THIS GOES TO THE APRIL 15TH MEETING THEN? YES, YES.

ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS THEN.

UH, SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO BE IN PERSON.

I'LL, I'LL BE IN PERSON FOR NOW, SO I'LL SEE YOU IN PERSON.

SO NO SHOUTING THROUGH MICROPHONES.

IT'LL BE MUCH EASIER.

ALRIGHT, PERFECT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

[2.E. 710 New St. – demolition and redevelopment with new 2-story infill house. ]

YOU TOO.

I'LL MENTION WE ALSO HAVE EIGHT 11 P*****K, WHICH ARE BOTH REQUESTING A DEMOLITION AND REDEVELOPMENT AS A RESULT, I'VE ASKED TIM TO JUST BRIEFLY REVIEW THE, THE STANDARDS WE HAVE FOR DEMOLITION AND HOW WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS TWO SEPARATE HEARINGS.

AND MAN, I THINK YOU HANDED OUT THE, YOU HANDED OUT THE RULES.

EVERYONE HAS A COPY OF THE, OF THE RULES ON THEIR DESK AND THE PROCEDURES.

SO JUST SINCE WE'VE GOT SOME NEW MEMBERS, JUST QUICKLY A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS.

UH, UH, TIM, CAN YOU SPEAK CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? YEAH, THANK YOU.

UH, A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS, UH, THE STATE STATUTES, UH, AND WHAT WE CALL THE PRESERVATION STATUTES SAY THAT, UH, DEMOLITION OF A CONTRA OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UH, CANNOT BE DELAYED FROM MORE THAN 365 DAYS.

BUT, UH, IN 2009, UH, NEW BERN, UH, WENT TO THE LEGISLATURE AND THE LEGISLATURE APPROVED WHAT WE CALL HOUSE BILL THREE OH THREE, WHICH ACTUALLY ALLOWS NEW BERN TO DENY DEMOLITION OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

THERE'S ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN OTHER, UH, MUNICIPALITIES IN NORTH CAROLINA THAT HAVE, HAVE FOLLOWED OUR LEAD AND ALSO HAVE, UH, THE ABILITY TO DENY DEMOLITION OF A, OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

THE, THE, THE RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT WE PUT TOGETHER FOR THIS, IT, THERE REALLY WAS NOTHING BEFORE PROBABLY 2011 ON HOW WE DO THIS.

UH, SO THE PER OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, WE GOT STANDARDIZED, CONSIST, REPEATABLE, COMPLIANT WAY TO DO THINGS, IN THIS CASE, DEMOLITION AND REDEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THE NEXT HPC THAT COMES ALONG HAS SOME GUIDANCE AND HOPEFULLY SOME CONSISTENT PROCEDURES FOR HOW TO DO THIS.

SO THE, THE INTENT OF WHAT, OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS, A DEMOLITION AND REDEVELOPMENT SITUATION IS TWO DIFFERENT HEARINGS.

FIRST, WE HAVE A HEARING ON DEMOLITION, AND THE IDEA IS THAT THE DEMOLITION HAS TO STAND ON ITS OWN MERITS.

DON'T CONSIDER WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AS FAR AS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA PUT BACK.

THE DEMOLITION NEEDS TO STAND ON ITS OWN MERITS.

AND ONCE WE DECIDED THE DEMOLITION, IF WE DECIDE THAT YES, WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE DEMOLITION, THEN WE START DEALING WITH REDEVELOPMENT, WHICH WE LOOK AT AS INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

SO ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO DO HERE? OKAY.

SO WITH THAT, OKAY.

AND SO, AND BEFORE YOU START, I, I THOUGHT WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN THE, UH, THE STANDARDS IS, UM, AN EXCELLENT SUMMARY.

UM, AND, AND FOR THOSE, I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN IT BEFORE, BUT THE SUCCESS OF PRESERVATION DEPENDS ON ADAPTIVE REUSE OF HISTORIC RESOURCES TO MEET CURRENT NEEDS.

IF ADAPTIVE REUSE AND SENT MATTER IS NOT FEASIBLE, OWNERS SHOULD CONSIDER SEEKING AN ALTERNATIVE PROPERTY FOR THEIR PURPOSES.

AND THIS IS THE PART THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT.

DEMOLITION.

MIKE, MIKE, MIKE? I, I CAN, I CAN'T EVEN HEAR YOU.

THE INTEGRITY AND CHARACTER OF HISTORIC RESOURCES.

THE PART THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT IS, THANK YOU.

YOU BET.

DEMOLITION IS AN IRREVERSIBLE ACTION RESULTING IN A PERMANENT LOSS OF

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I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CERTAINLY KEEP IN MIND AS WE TALK ABOUT POSSIBLE DEMOLITION.

AND THERE'S SOME EVALUATION STEPS WE HAVE.

AND JUST JUST TO HELP ME, I BEL WE DID VISIT THIS HOUSE A YEAR OR SO AGO.

TWO YEARS AGO.

TWO YEARS AGO, WHO ACTUALLY VIEWED THE HOUSE AT THAT TIME.

RICHARD AND TIM AND I, AND YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE, THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS DID NOT SEE THAT HOUSE UPSIDE UP CLOSE OR INSIDE.

SO ANYWAY, UM, THAT'LL COME INTO PLAY LATER.

SO WITH THAT, MATT, DO YOU WANNA MAKE A PRESENTATION? OKAY.

UM, ALRIGHT.

HIS PHOTO FROM OCTOBER OR SOMETHING, UH, WHERE HE WAS DOING THAT.

SO THAT, BOOM, SORRY.

THAT'S THE APPLICATION, UH, FOR SEVEN 10 NEW STREET.

UH, THE, UH, OWNER IS THERE, THERESA BARRETT.

AND, UH, THE APPLICANT IS RUSTY CREEDY.

RUSTY IS HERE TODAY STANDING AT THE PODIUM READY TO SPEAK.

UM, AND THE APPLICATION IS SIGNED AND DATED BY HIM.

UM, I WANTED TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT.

SO, UM, IT STARTED IN SOMEHOW IN THE RECORDS ANYWAY, UH, BACK IN, UH, 2023 AND IN FEBRUARY, AND WHERE THEY, UH, UM, TURNED IN AN APPLICATION FOR DEMOLITION AT THE TIME.

UH, AND THAT'S WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

AND THAT WAS EVEN THREE YEARS AGO.

UH, AND SEVEN 10.

SO THESE WERE SOME OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM BACK THEN.

UM, AND THE BIG ISSUE WAS THIS, UH, UPPER RIGHT PIC OR THIS PICTURE ON THE RIGHT WHERE THE EXTERIOR WALL IS SEPARATING AT THE BOTTOM FROM THE FLOOR AND CREATING ACTUAL, UH, DAYLIGHT GAP HERE.

UH, RELATIVELY SIGNIFICANT, UH, SPACE, UH, AND, UH, SEPARATING ALL ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL.

UH, AND THERE WERE OTHER ISSUES THERE AS WELL, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE FLOOR AND FLOOR FLOORING, SOME CRACKS IN THE WALLS, ET CETERA.

UM, UH, SOME MORE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THAT.

UM, THIS WAS A LETTER BY, UH, OUR, UM, UH, HOUSING, UM, MINIMUM HOUSING, UH, OFFICER AT THE TIME.

UH, UH, SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WERE HIGHLIGHTED THERE.

UH, PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, AND REPORTS BY SOME, UH, PROPERTY INSPECTORS, PRIVATE.

UH, THERE WAS A LETTER, UH, GENERATED BY THE O.

UM, AND SO, I'M SORRY, BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, UM, THE HPC TOWARD THE BUILDING, AND, UH, I THINK BEFORE ANY ACTION WAS, UH, OR BEFORE IT WAS BROUGHT TO A HEARING, THE APPLICANTS DECIDED TO DROP THE, UH, APPLICATION, UH, AND, UH, WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION, I SHOULD SAY.

AND THEY, UH, UM, AT LEAST RUMOR HAD IT THAT THEY HAD FOUND OUT ABOUT THE, UH, REBUILD NC PROGRAM AND WE'RE LOOKING INTO THAT.

AND SO, UH, LO AND BEHOLD, UM, THEY DID END UP IN THE REBUILD NC PROGRAM.

THEY, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE PROPOSING, UH, IN 2024, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, WAS THE, UM, UH, TO REPLACE THE METAL ROOFING ON THE PROJECT ON THE HOUSE.

UH, AND THE SHIPPO PRODUCED THIS LETTER, UM, SAYING THAT IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A CAUSE FOR THAT, BUT IT COULD BE REPAIRED INSTEAD.

UM, UH, I WAS CC'D ON THAT LETTER.

IT WASN'T TO ME.

THEN.

UH, NOW WE HAVE, UH, THE NEXT, UH, APPLICATION WAS TO ACTUALLY REHAB THE HOUSE.

AND MR. CREEDY WAS THE APPLICANT FOR THAT ONE, UM, FOR THE OWNER.

AND THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR THAT.

THAT WAS JUST LAST YEAR, ONE YEAR AGO ALMOST.

AND WENT, THAT, WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

UH, AND, UH, THEY WERE GRANTED A COA TO REHAB THE HOUSE ACCORDING TO THE, THAT THE SHEET OF, UM, THIS WAS THE SCOPE OF WORK HERE, ESSENTIALLY ON THAT PAGE.

UH, SO HE WENT ABOUT TO DO THAT REHAB,

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AND THEN, UM, WE ARE HERE TODAY WITH A NEW APPLICATION TO ACTUALLY, UH, NOW DEMOLISH THE HOUSE, UH, ANOTHER, ONCE AGAIN AN APPLICATION TO DEMOLISH THE HOUSE.

UH, AND, UH, HE SIGNED IT AND DATED IT, UM, JUST THIS PAST WEEK.

UH, AND THESE ARE NOW PHOTOGRAPHS OF WHAT THEY DISCOVERED DURING THEIR REHAB PROCESS.

WE OKAY SO FAR, RUSTY? NO.

SUBSTANTIAL, QUITE SUBSTANTIAL, UM, TERMITE DAMAGE.

BETTER BEEN RIDE.

YEAH, .

SO, UM, WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS, UH, ONCE THEY WERE REMOVING SOME OF THE FLOORING, UH, AND, AND FLOOR STRUCTURE, UH, THEY DISCOVERED THAT, UH, EVEN THE RIM JOISTS, UH, WELL JUST LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY.

UM, THIS RIM JOIST HERE, WHICH IS THE, UM, STRUCTURE OF RIM JOIST IS THE BEAM, SORRY, IT'S NOT A RIM JOIST, IT'S A RIM BEAM.

IT'S A BEAM THAT SPANS FROM PIER TO PEER AND HOLDS UP, UH, THE WALL BETWEEN THE PIERS.

SO ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THE STUDS AND THE, THE BOTTOM PLATE, ALL BEAR ON THAT BEAM, ESSENTIALLY LIKE A, A DOOR OPENING OR A, OR A, UM, A BEAM OPENING ACROSS THE DINING ROOM OR SOMETHING.

SO THESE BEAMS ARE IMPORTANT STRUCTURAL PIECES.

AND THIS ONE IS, UH, ABOUT A THIRD OF IT IS GONE ON THE BOTTOM, AND THE BOTTOM IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE BEAM.

BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE EVEN THE STUDS HAVE BEEN, UH, RIDDLED WITH, UM, TERMITE DAMAGE.

THIS IS THEN THE CRAWL SPACE, UM, HERE.

UM, AND SO IF YOU LOOK ALSO FARTHER DOWN ON THAT, THIS IS NOW THE SIDE OF THE WALL THAT WAS, UM, UM, HAD THAT GAP IN THE, UH, AND SEPARATION FROM THE FLOOR.

UH, THE FLOOR HAS BEEN REMOVED, AND HERE YOU CAN SEE SOME MASSIVE, UM, TERMITE DAMAGE OVER THERE.

I THINK WE HAVE A CLOSER UP PICTURE IN THE NEXT ONE.

UH, WAS INVESTIGATING HOW TO, UM, REPLACE THE FOUNDATION.

THERE YOU GO.

AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS IS NOW, THAT GAP HAS WIDENED CONSIDERABLY SINCE, UH, JUST A YEAR AGO.

AND IT, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS, UH, PIER IS, HAS TIPPED OVER EVEN FARTHER THAN IT WAS BEFORE.

UH, I DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING TIPPED THAT FAR OVER.

SO IT'S GOTTEN WORSE.

UH, AND, UM, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL ISSUE.

UM, THEY WERE LOOKING INTO.

UM, HERE'S ANOTHER ANGLE ON THAT, AND SOME MORE, UH, PICTURES, PHOTOS OF SOME OF THE OTHER STUDS, UH, WITH, UH, TERMITE DAMAGE.

OOPS, LET'S DO THIS.

AND ANOTHER AREA WHERE THERE'S THIS ONE, THIS BEAM IS ALMOST GONE NOW, EFFECTIVELY, THE WALL'S NOW, UH, BEARING ON THE, THE BRICK INFILL STUFF, WHICH HAS NO FOOTING.

UM, NO, NONE OF THE PIERS HAVE FOOTINGS EITHER, SO, YEAH.

AND IT'S, IT'S A RIB JOIST ALL THE WAY AROUND THE ENTIRE, AND THEN MORE ALL OF THIS, UH, DISCOLORATION ALONG IN HERE.

AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, THESE RIDGES THROUGH THE STUDS.

THOSE ARE ALL, UM, TERMITE DAMAGE.

UH, THERE'S TERMITE DAMAGE AS WELL.

AND THE CEILING JOISTS, UM, THIS IS NOT TERMITE DAMAGE.

THIS IS STRUCTURAL SPLIT AND, UH, SPLITTING OF ONE OF THE, UM, BEAMS IN THE FLOOR.

SO THE JOISTS WOULD SIT ON THIS.

UM, AND THAT'S THE CENTER BEAM OF THE HOUSE THAT GOES FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE YEP.

TO HOLD UP THE FLOOR.

SO THAT'S SPLIT.

UM, AND WHAT, UH, WHAT THEY'VE AC SO SOME OF THESE POSTS ARE ACTUALLY NEW, JUST THAT, UM, MR. REY'S PUT IN JUST TO KEEP THE SECOND FLOOR FROM COLLAPSING ONTO THE FIRST FLOOR.

SO THEY'VE PUT, OR TO SUPPORT WHATEVER THEY COULD, UM, KIND OF JERRY RIGGED IT IN HERE SO THAT, UM, THEY CAN WORK.

UM, UH, LET'S SEE.

AND UH, THIS, UM, APPARENTLY BEHIND THIS, UH, UH, RIM BEAM IS ALSO, UM, SOME TERMITE DAMAGE BACK BEHIND THERE.

THIS IS, UH, A CEILING JOIST WITH, UH, MITE DAMAGE.

AND YOU NOW YOU CAN SEE EVEN BETTER SOME OF THE DAMAGE ON THE STUDS AS WELL.

UM, AND THIS TOP PLATE.

SO, UM, MR. CREEDY,

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UH, AND IN ORDER TO DO SO, HE, UH, ASKED SOME, UH, COMPANIES THAT LIFT HOMES, UH, UH, FOR SOME ESTIMATES.

AND THERE'S ONE, UM, CALLED ELITE CONSTRUCTION, UM, WHICH ACTUALLY WAS RECOMMENDED TO JUST, JUST TOLAR CLARIFY ONE POINT.

'CAUSE WE HAD THE SURE NEW BURN INSPECTORS COME LOOK AT THE HOUSES, IT'S GOT ABOUT 44 PIER FOOTINGS AND THAT, OR PEERS, I'M SORRY, NONE OF 'EM HAVE FOOTINGS.

AND BASICALLY THE CITY SAID, YOU NEED TO HAVE FOOTINGS UNDERNEATH ALL THOSE PIERS, OR YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER SIGN OFF SAYING, SAYING IT SAFE AS IS.

AND WE DID ENGAGE AN ENGINEER, BASICALLY, AND TO KEEP THEIR LIGHT.

I MEAN, THEY BASICALLY SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA SIGN OFF ON THAT.

SO THAT TRIGGERED THE, TRIGGERED THE NEED, UH, FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, JUST TO LIFT THE HOUSE.

IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY UNDERNEATH WORKING ON THAT, UH, PUT A NEW FOUNDATION.

SO, SO, UH, THIS IS A REPORT FROM ONE OF THOSE HOUSE LIFTING COMPANIES.

UH, AND IT SAYS IT HAS BECOME CLEAR THAT THE EXTENT OF THE TERMITE DAMAGE IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SEVERE THAN ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED.

THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE HOME HAS BEEN COMPROMISED TO A LEVEL THAT RAISES SERIOUS SAFETY CONCERNS.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE DAMAGE EXTENDS FURTHER INTO THE SECOND FLOOR THAN INITIALLY OBSERVED, AND THE HOME IS ALREADY SHOWING SIGNS OF INSTABILITY, INCLUDING EVEN FURTHER NOTICEABLE LEANING.

GIVEN THESE CONDITIONS, WE DO NOT FEEL IT AS SAFE TO PROCEED WITH CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES INVOLVING HEAVY EQUIPMENT, STEEL BEAMS, OR ANY STRUCTURAL WORK AROUND THE PROPERTY OR HOME, THE RISK TO BOTH THE PROPERTY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE SAFETY TO OUR CREW MEMBERS IS TOO GREAT.

ADDITIONALLY, DUE TO THE EXTENT OF THE DAMAGE, THERE'S NO RELIABLE WAY TO PREDICT HOW THE STRUCTURE MAY RESPOND DURING THE COURSE OF THE PROJECT.

AND SO THEY SAY THEY JUST CAN'T DO THE WORK.

UM, THEY DECLINE.

UH, AND SO THAT OPTION IS ALSO OFF THE TABLE.

SO, UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH, UM, THE BUILDING.

UH, SO I THINK AS, AS TIM SAID, BEFORE WE GO ANY FARTHER WITH ANY PROPOSAL, WE, WE SHOULD DISCUSS THIS PART FIRST.

UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS TONIGHT, , AND YOU CAN'T, UM, SO, UH, BUT YOU MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS OR YOU MAY WANT TO DISCUSS, UM, HOW TO PROCEED FARTHER.

UM, AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE, UM, FOR US TO ARRANGE, UH, FOR A TOUR OF THE HOUSE OR AN, A VIEWING OF THE HOUSE, MAYBE MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE WORD FOR IT.

IF, IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S STILL NECESSARY OR IF YOU FEEL LIKE THE PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, AND THE EXPLANATIONS HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION.

WELL, THE RULES OF PROCEDURES SAY EACH COMMISSIONER SHALL VISIT THE SITE OF THE STRUCTURE PROPOSED FOR DEMOLITION.

I DON'T FEEL GOOD THAT IT'D BE SAFE TO GO IN THEIR PERSONAL OPINION.

DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH I AGREE WITH YOU.

I DON'T THINK IT'S SAFE TO GO WITH AS WELL, AND I THINK THE PICTURES ARE GIVEN.

PICTURES I'VE BEEN BY, I WOULDN'T, WELL, CAN YOU MICROPHONE PLEASE? YEAH.

YES, GO AHEAD.

OH, MICROPHONE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY REQUIRE YOU TO GO BY.

NOT ENCOURAGE, BUT REQUIRE YOU TO GO BY AT LEAST WALK AS BEST YOU CAN AROUND THE HOUSE.

IT IS SAFE TO WALK AROUND IT, UH, BE CAREFUL STILL SOME CONSTRUCTION.

BUT, UH, PLEASE LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF IT RIGHT NOW, AND YOU'LL SEE MANY OF THE THINGS FROM THE OUTSIDE THAT WERE PHOTOGRAPHED FROM THE INSIDE.

AND IT DOES GO BACK.

WE HAVE PICTURES FROM THE FIRST VISIT, UH, WHERE ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR MEMBERS CALLED UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE.

SO, UH, THAT'S RIGHT.

A GOOD DEAL OF PICTURES THERE.

SO PLEASE DO THAT IN ANTICIPATION OF THE HEARING.

UH, SO ANY QUESTIONS NOW, GIVEN THAT, SO, UM, SHIPPO HAS NOT COME BACK OUT.

I MEAN, HA HAVE YOU SENT THEM THE FO THESE RECENT SET OF PHOTOS? BECAUSE I THINK THEY CAME OUT A YEAR AGO AND SAID IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S RE RESTORABLE.

YEAH, NO, I HAVEN'T YET.

AND, AND I'M ASSUMING IN THAT EMAIL YOU WOULD SEND SOME OF THE PHOTOS THAT YOU'VE SUPPLIED EVIDENCE? YES, I'VE ALREADY ATTACHED THIS ENTIRE PACKAGE.

SO, UH, I REQUIRE, UM, SOME KIND OF DIRECTION FROM THE HPC IN ORDER TO, UM, REQUEST THAT THEY DO THAT.

UM, I'VE ALREADY DRAFTED THAT EMAIL FOR TOMORROW TO BE SENT TOMORROW MORNING BECAUSE THEY WILL TAKE UP TO 30 DAYS TO RESPOND, WHICH, UH, WOULD BE, UM, ESSENTIALLY, UH, THIS, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING THE NIGHT THAT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, UH, NEXT MONTH.

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UM, BECAUSE IT'S UNLIKELY THEY WOULD COME HERE.

RIGHT? THEY WOULD DO THEIR REVIEW BASED ON PHOTOGRAPHS, PROBABLY.

UM, GENERALLY THEY LIKE TO COME TO THE SITE.

UM, I KNOW WHEN WE, IN BOTH OF THE PREVIOUS CASES FOR TRENT COURT AND FOR, UH, SHRINERS, UH, THIS WAS DURING THE PANDEMIC THAT THEY DID NOT COME.

UH, AND ALSO, UM, THEY HAD STAFF SHORTAGES WHERE THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT, SO IT WAS NOT ACTUALLY POSSIBLE IN THOSE CASES.

SO THEY DID RELY ON A LOT OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE PROVIDING MORE OF A HISTORIC, UH, BACKGROUND.

SO THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF WHAT THEY CALL, UM, TIP DESK WORK, UH, DESKTOP WORK, UM, TO CREATE THE REPORT.

AND YOU FEEL THE PHOTOGRAPHS YOU'RE SENDING THEM ARE, ARE THERE'S ENOUGH PHOTOGRAPHS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET A, A FAIR ASSESSMENT OF THE CONDITION OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY? YEAH, SO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE THEY WILL ACTUALLY SAY WHETHER OR NOT IT, UM, IS APPROPRIATE TO DEMOLISH OR NOT, BUT I THINK THEY WILL JUST BE PROVIDING, UH, UM, UH, KIND OF HISTORIC BACKGROUND SO YOU CAN JUDGE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO, UM, EXPECT, UM, UH, AN, YOU KNOW, UM, AN OWNER TO TAKE ON A RESTORATION OR REPAIRS, UM, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE OR NOT.

SO, SO, BUT AM I CORRECT, OUR ONLY REAL CONCERN IS WHETHER IT HAS STATE SI STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANCE? NOT WELL, WE KNOW OPINION, WE KNOW THAT.

WE KNOW THAT THERE IS NO PROPERTY IN NEW BERN THAT HAS MADE THE STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANCE LIST, SO THEIR OPINION DOES NOT OVERRIDE WHAT WE DO.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND JUST KIND OF AS A BENCHMARK, UH, KEEP IN MIND THAT WE LOOK AT TWO THINGS VERY EARLY ON.

IS IT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AS PART OF THE INVENTORY, WHICH THIS HOUSE IS? AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, UM, DOES PETER SANDBERG REFERENCE IT IN HIS BOOK? THIS HOUSE IS NOT IN THAT BOOK.

RIGHT? AND SO, SO WHAT WOULD DIFFER, UM, IF YOU SENT IT TO SHIPPO MM-HMM .

WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THE OPINION THEY PROVIDED A YEAR AGO? UM, SO THE ONE THAT THEY PROVIDED A YEAR AGO WAS FOCUSED ON THE CONDITION OF THE ROOFING, OR TWO YEARS AGO, I THINK IT WAS ON THE CONDITION OF THE ROOFING, OR MAYBE IT WAS, OH, IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO.

THAT WAS THE CONTRACT THAT THE ONE FROM MARCH ASSIGNED BEFORE WE WERE MARCH, MARCH 4TH, 2025.

SO A YEAR AGO.

SO, UH, YEAH, THEY WERE FOCUSED ON THE ROOFING.

THEY DIDN'T, UM, SEEM TO COVER MUCH OF THE REST OF THE, OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.

I THINK THE, THE ORIGINAL GENERAL CONTRACTOR BASICALLY WAS, HAD A PLAN TO RESHINGLE THE ROOF.

AND I DON'T THINK THEY HAD, I DON'T THINK THEY HAD ACTUALLY COME IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE AT ALL.

AND I HAD SOME ROOFING CONTRACTORS LOOK AT IT AND SAID THE ROOF WAS REPAIRABLE.

SO IN OUR MEETING WE HAD LAST YEAR, WE BASICALLY SAID WE COULD RECOAT THAT ROOF MO MOST OF THE ISSUES AROUND THE, UH, CHIMNEY FLASHINGS AND, AND ROOFING REPLACEMENT IS A MINOR WORK, SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE COME BEFORE YOU ANYWAY.

SO IN ORDER TO, TO DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, DO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING IN PLACE, UH, FOR NEW BUILD OR, WELL, AS TIM MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, FIRST YOU DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THE STRUCTURE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE DEMOLISHED OR NOT, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT'S TO REPLACE IT.

AND THEN, AND THEN AS I UNDERSTAND, THEN WE HAVE TO APPROVE WHAT'S GOING IN BE, AND THEN WE ISSUE BOTH OF THOSE AT THE SAME TIME.

YES, CORRECT.

DEADLINE, THAT WILL HELP US.

BUT OF COURSE, YOU DON'T NEED TO DELIBERATE ON A REPLACEMENT IF YOU DECIDE IT SHOULD NOT BE DEMOLISHED.

SO THAT'S WHY WE DO IT IN THAT SPECIFIC, IF ONE THEN THE OTHER, IF NOT ONE, THEN YOU'RE DONE.

SO LOOK AT THE EVALUATION CRITERIA THAT MATT PROVIDED.

IT'S IN THE STANDARDS.

UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING AT THE HEARING.

UM, IT IS UNLIKELY WE'LL HEAR BACK FROM SHIPPO BEFORE OUR HEARING.

WELL, UM, IT IS, UH, POSSIBLE.

UM, WERE THEY BUT NOT REQUIRED.

THEY USUALLY, THEY USUALLY DON'T.

BUT, UM, I TRY TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD DO IT TWO DAYS EARLIER THAN YOUR

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UM, AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, UM, CONSIDERATIONS ON PAGE SIX DASH FIVE OF THE, UM, OF THE STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES, UH, ALSO LOOK AT, UH, THE GUIDELINES FOR DEMOLITION IN PARTICULAR, 6.4 0.2.

THIS WAS, UH, THIS ONE WAS PUT IN HERE SPECIFICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE US, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE US A, A BROADER RANGE OF THOUGHT ABOUT, ABOUT DEMOLISHING A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, 0.2.

SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED BEFORE THE HEARING OR BEFORE THE HEARING? JUST SHIPPO, I THINK AND, AND THE CHANCE FOR PEOPLE TO GO BY YEAH.

MEMBERS TO GO BY IS BEST WE, WE CAN JUST GO BY ON OUR OWN WITH THAT, OR DOES IT NEED TO BE A COORDINATED FAIR TO, I WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR SHIPPO.

I MEAN, YOU'RE, I MEAN, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOUR PROCEDURES SAY YOU SHOULD, WELL, IT SAYS TO ASK ABOUT STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANCE.

UM, THERE, FOLLOWING ITEMS MUST BE VERIFIED.

YOU HAVE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE OF THE HANDOUT, UH, I'M LOOKING AT, I WAS LOOKING AT PROCEDURES, NOT, NOT THE STANDARDS.

AND THE PROCEDURES BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE.

UM, SHIPPO HAS EVALUATED THE INTERIOR EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE AND PROVIDED A WRITTEN EVALUATION AND OPINION ON THE ARCHITECTURAL HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE STRUCTURE WAS ANY OBJECTION TO SCHEDULING THE HEARING.

AND THEN IF SHIPPO SAYS WE'RE WORKING ON IT, UM, AND IT'S LIKELY TO BE HERE, WE COULD ALWAYS DELAY.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S ANOTHER MONTH EACH TIME WE HAVE TO DELAY.

AND IT, IT MAY BE, IT MAY BE WORTHWHILE, UH, TO GO IN AND SCHEDULE IT YEP.

IN HOPES THAT WE GET FEEDBACK FROM SHIPPO AND AT LEAST HAVE A, A, A PARTIAL DISCUSSION TO GET WELL, PERHAPS TO GET THE, THE DATA AND THE EVIDENCE ON THE TABLE THAT WE HAVE.

WELL, IT SAYS ACTUALLY INSPECT IT.

SO IT IS IF THEY SAY THEY CAN'T INSPECT IT.

MY, MY QUESTION THERE, I GUESS IS, HAS TOP OF THE SECOND PAGE, HAS THE LOCAL, UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR EVALUATED ITS CURRENT CONDITION? YEAH.

AND WE CAN GET THAT WRITTEN.

'CAUSE I THINK, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT.

I GUESS A QUESTION I DO HAVE IS, IS THE SECOND FLOOR DIAPHRAGM GONE? IS THE SECOND FLOOR STILL IN PLACE? YES.

SECOND FLOOR STILL IN PLACE.

ALL FLOOR, FLOOR.

I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, UH, I MEAN, IS BALLOON IS BALLOON CONSTRUCTION? SO THERE IS ROTTEN YEAH.

MEMBERS THERE AND THERE'S SOME OF THE FLOORBOARDS THAT ARE BAD, BUT THE, YEAH.

DOING WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING , I LOOK AT THIS AND I THINK THAT THE BALLOON STRUCTURE IS LIKELY A GOOD PORTION OF WHAT'S HOLDING THAT UP RIGHT NOW.

I, I THINK YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE RELYING ON, AND THIS IS ALL, ALL GUESS WORK, BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW LOOKING AT THAT, THAT ONE WALL IN THAT CORRUM IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE, AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT FAMILIAR, IS EVERYBODY FAMILIAR WITH BALLOON FRAMING AT ALL? MM-HMM .

FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT BE, BALLOON FRAMING IS AN OLD SCHOOL TECHNIQUE OF CONSTRUCTION WHERE THE, WHERE THE STUD WALLS WOULD GO, ESSENTIALLY FROM THE FIRST FLOOR FLOOR LEVEL UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR ROOF, IT WOULD GO RIGHT PAST THAT SECOND FLOOR DIAPHRAGM.

NOW WHAT THEY DO IS THEY BUILD FROM FIRST TO THE SECOND, PUT THE FLOOR ON SECOND, AND THEN BUILD AGAIN FROM SECOND UP.

UM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT CONTINUOUS STUD HERE, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING TO SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE STABILITY, IF YOU WILL, OF WHAT'S THERE.

UM, I THINK THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SHOULD LOOK AT THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THE WHO THE, OH YEAH.

THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S BEEN OUT THERE MULTIPLE TIMES, BCA HAS.

OH YEAH.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY, I MEAN, THEY, THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, YEAH.

IT BEING DEMOED.

AND I MEAN, I MEAN, I MEAN, BACK BACKING UP A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN THE, AGAIN, EVERYTHING'S COMPLICATED WITH THIS BEING THROUGH THE REBUILD NC PROGRAM, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WRAPPING UP.

UM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE PUSHED HARD, THEY PUSHED ME HARD, EVEN THOUGH I'VE HAD SOME GENERAL COMMENTS THAT THIS PRICE IS GETTING TOO HIGH TO REBUILD THIS HOUSE AND THERE'S SAFETY ISSUES WITH IT.

BUT THEY KEPT PUSHING, KEPT PUSHING.

AND I'VE HAD FOUR, I HAD FOUR DIFFERENT, UH, FOUNDATION CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT THIS

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JOB.

AND LEAD CONSTRUCTION WAS, I THINK IT WAS, I HAD HIM BACK CLICK IN DECEMBER, I THINK.

AND THEY HAVE A HUGE BACKLOG.

AND THEY BASICALLY, THE ONLY ONES THAT REALLY BID ON THE JOB, AND THEY HAD A DETAILED PLAN AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT WHEN THEY MOBILIZED CAME OUT HERE, THEY SAID, I THINK MOST OF THEIR WORKERS SAYS, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T LIFT THIS HOUSE.

SO, UM, SO AGAIN, I MEAN, THE COMPLICATED ISSUE WITH THIS WHOLE THING IS, IS THE REBUILD NC.

'CAUSE I MEAN, THEY, THEY WRAP IT UP AND HATE, HATE, HATE ALL THESE DELAYS HAPPENING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

BUT WHEN THEY WERE PUSHING DOWN THE PATH TO GET THIS HOUSE REBUILT, AND, UM, THEY ARE WRAPPING UP BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.

SO THE, I MEAN, I I, I'M JUST, I'M JUST A LOW GUY TO TOTEM POLE AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE RULES TO FOLLOW AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THERE'S A, UM, SO THERE'S A STRONG DESIRE FOR THE STATE TO GET THIS THING DONE FOR THIS HOMEOWNER.

SO, SO MATT, CAN WE SCHEDULE IT FOR THE NEXT HEARING DATE, WHICH WILL BE THE 15TH, AND THEN IF, IF YOU COULD MAYBE CALL AFTER YOU SEND THE PICTURES AND SAY, IS THIS WORTH YOUR TRIP? RIGHT.

UM, AND SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

AND JOHN, I HOPE, I HOPE YOU CAN MAKE AN EFFORT TO, UH, TO GET OUT THERE BEING THE PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECT AND PERSON WHO'S REALLY FAMILIAR WITH BUILDING AND BEING ON THE HPC AND YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

I THINK YOUR, YOUR FEEDBACK, UH, AT THE, AT THE HEARING WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO THE REST OF US.

BUT I, I THINK YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT, JOHN.

I THINK THAT ONE WALL'S PROBABLY BEING HUNG FROM, FROM THE OTHERS.

IT'S, YEAH, YOU'LL, RIGHT NOW IT'S BEING, RIGHT NOW IT'S BEING SUPPORTED BY THOSE TEMPORARY BEAMS THAT ARE IN THE HOUSE.

'CAUSE YOU HAVE NO CENTER, YOU HAVE NO CENTER SUPPORT IN THAT HOUSE.

'CAUSE THE WHOLE CENTER BEAM IS, IS GONE.

SO, SO WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE, YOU'LL SEE THE EVIDENCE.

HAS ANYONE BEEN OUT THERE YET? NO.

OTHER THAN JIM, THEY DROVE BY.

I, I'VE WALKED BY GREGORY DURING THE PROCESS, BUT I HAVE NOT GONE INSIDE OR LOOK OUTSIDE.

SO THEN, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE OF THE STEPS IN THE PROCEDURE IS, WELL, I GUESS, UM, IF YOU'RE, UM, SINCE WE'RE NOT GOING INSIDE, I GUESS WE DON'T NEED TO ARRANGE FOR TOURS.

UM, JUST IF THERE'S FIVE OF YOU PLEASE ONE LEAVE.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

YOU CAN'T ALL BE, CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN FOUR PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME.

FOUR MAXIMUM.

BUT, UH, ALSO YOU'RE NOT TO DISCUSS, UH, WHAT YOUR, UM, YOUR OBSERVATIONS ARE OR ANY OF THAT WITH ANY OF ANYONE ELSE ON THE HPC OR ANYBODY FOR THAT MATTER.

JUST, YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM TO YOURSELVES AND THEN YOU CAN BRING THEM UP AT YOUR, AT THE, UH, AT THE HEARING.

SO, OKAY.

WITH THAT, ANY CONCERNS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

WELL, CAN I, SORRY, CAN I, CAN I TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE FOR, UH, THERE'S A MEETING IN TWO WEEKS, RIGHT? YES.

ON APRIL 15TH.

AND WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ON, IN THAT MEETING IF, AGAIN, IF PEOPLE GET BY AND LOOK AT THE HOUSE, WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ON THAT MEETING? ANYTHING, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE, UH, DEMOLITION COULD BE APPROVED AT THAT MEETING, BUT, BUT NOT A PERMIT TO BEGIN DEMOLITION.

SO WE, WE, WE THEN HAVE A DESIGN REVIEW TO SEE THE NEW STRUCTURE.

SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO NEXT THEN STILL ON THIS PROJECT IS LOOK AT WHAT THE PROPOSED, UM, REDEVELOPMENT COULD BE, UM, IF THE DEMOLITION IS APPROVED, TO SEE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR THEM TO PREPARE FOR THAT SAME MEETING, BECAUSE YOU CAN GET AN APPROVAL FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT AT THE SAME MEETING AS THE DEMOLITION.

OR AFTER THE DEMOLITION IS APPROVED.

IF IT'S APPROVED.

UH, AND THEN AT THAT SAME MEETING, UH, THE COA CAN BE ISSUED FOR BOTH DEMOLITION AND REDEVELOPMENT.

SO WE'RE GONNA GO NOW TO THE, UH, UNLESS EVER ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DEMOLITION? ALRIGHT.

SO WE'LL NOT MOVE TO THAT.

HE'S GOT A QUESTION, AUDIENCE.

OH, SO THAT'S NOW UP TO THE CHAIR.

DECIDE PART OF THAT PROJECT.

IS HE, HE'S THE, IS HE IN THE OWNER? YEP.

ARE YOU? THAT'S MY SISTER.

SO YOU'RE REPRESENTING THEM.

OH, HI.

ABSOLUTELY.

HOW ARE YOU ALL? SO

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YES, SHE CAN SPEAK.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME A MOMENT.

I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT, UM, STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE.

JOHN BARETT IS MY NAME.

AND IT WASN'T MENTIONED AT ALL THAT TALKED ABOUT THE WATERLINE THAT WAS FOUND WHEN THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WENT UP UNDER THE HOUSE.

THAT STREET FLOODS.

MOST OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE ON THAT WITHIN MY MOM'S HOUSE VICINITY HAS BEEN RAISED.

NOW I KNOW THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT PART OF THE HISTORICAL THING, BUT HOUSES HAVE BEEN RAISED AND THAT STREET FLOODS EVERY TIME IT RAINS, YOU KNOW, TO THE POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO ALMOST TAKE YOUR SHOES OFF TO GET INTO THE FRONT DOOR.

I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM, BUT THE CITY REALLY NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

I KNOW THE STREETS ARE OLD.

I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I'M IN THE WRONG MEETING TO EVEN MENTION THAT, BUT IT'S A REAL PROBLEM ON THAT END OF THE STREET.

AND WE ACTUALLY GOT PHOTOS OF HOW HIGH THE WATER GETS.

SO, UM, THIS IS THE, UM, THE PLAN THAT THE, UH, REBUILD NC PEOPLE ARE PROPOSING TO REPLACE THIS HOUSE.

UM, UM, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD A TWO STORY, UM, PLAN.

UH, THEY, UH, BUT UH, WHEN I MENTIONED THAT ALL THE HOUSES IN THE WHOLE BLOCK, THERE ARE ALL TWO STORIES.

SO ANYWAY, SO THIS IS, UH, THE ONE THAT THEY, UH, CHOSE BASED ON LOOKING AROUND WHAT WAS THERE.

UH, AND UH, THIS, THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY SMALLER, UH, NARROWER THAN THIS ONE.

UH, SO THIS IS THE ONE THEY HAVE, UH, YOU CAN SEE A PORCH.

UM, THE, THE LEFT SIDE IS PUNCHED OUT FARTHER THAN, OR THE RIGHT SIDE IS PUSHED BACK.

WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT.

UM, THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN.

UM, AND, UH, THE TOTAL, UH, DEPTH OF THE PROP OF THE, THE CONSTRUCTION IS 37 FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE PORCH TO THE BACK OF THE WALL, BACK WALL OF THE HOUSE.

IT'S 21 FOOT FOUR INCHES WIDE.

AND SO THEY'RE WORKING ON, UH, A SITE PLAN FOR THIS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, IT WILL FIT THE SETBACKS AND IT MAY INVOLVE ACTUALLY, UH, COMBINING THE TWO LOTS TOGETHER SINCE THEY'RE CURRENTLY SEPARATE.

LOTS.

AND MS. BARRETT, THE HOMEOWNER'S WORKING ON GETTING THAT DONE.

YEAH, I HEARD ABOUT THAT TODAY.

UH, AND SO, UM, THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS, I'M GUESSING IT'S THE PORCH IS LOWER THAN 30 INCHES FROM THE GROUND.

WELL, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING WILL BE AT THE SAME ELEVATION OF WHAT'S EXISTING HOUSES IS MY, MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO, BUT IS THERE GONNA BE A RAILING ON THE FRONT PORCH? THOSE ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO GET, YEAH.

SO ANSWERS FOR, SO, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, IF, UH, IF IT'S ABOVE 30 INCHES, IT WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE, UH, RAILING.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE RAILING.

UH, AND SO THE DESIGN DOESN'T SHOW THAT YET.

UM, SO IS IT ABOVE 30 INCHES? PROBABLY IS, I THINK THE CURRENT ONE IS, YEAH.

BUT, UM, UH, THE OTHER THING IS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE, UH, OWNERS JUST MENTIONED THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME FLOODING, IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER, UH, SLIGHTLY HIGHER.

UH, AND WE DO HAVE, UH, IN, IN OUR STANDARDS, WE DO HAVE A SPECIFIC LIMIT, UH, FOR THAT WHEN IT'S NOT IN THE, UH, FLOODPLAIN DISTRICT.

UM, SO, UM, IT'S ABOUT A FOOT OR TWO HIGHER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH COULD BE HELPFUL AT LEAST.

UM, SO THE RIGHT SIDE HAS THESE WINDOWS, UM, AS YOU SEE HERE, ALL THE SIDING.

SO THIS WOULD ALL BE NEW CONSTRUCTION, SO IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE WOOD SIDING, UM, BUT IT COULD NOT BE VINYL SIDING.

UH, THEN ON THE LEFT SIDE, OR THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL IT, LEFT SIDE, UM, UH, FOUR WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE.

THEN THERE'S THE BACK DOOR FOR THE BACK PORCH.

GO THIS WAY.

UH, AND THEN THIS IS NOW THE REAR ELEVATION.

UM, HERE THEY'RE SHOWING A DOUBLE LIKE FRENCH DOOR ONTO THIS BACK PORCH.

I THINK I SAW SOMEWHERE THERE MIGHT BE AN OPTION FOR A SINGLE FRENCH DOOR, WHICH IS IT THEN A FRENCH DOOR.

BUT YEAH, TWO WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND ONE SMALLER ONE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

UM, AND, AND, AND I'M GUESSING THOSE AREN'T REAL SHINGLES UP THERE.

THEY'RE JUST CUT.

AKA HARDY BOARD, WHICH, UM, UH, THIS KIND OF SHINGLING IS MADE, UM, WITH CEMENT FIBER.

AND SO THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE, UM, CEMENT FIBER,

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UH, AND THEN THE REST OF THE PLANS ARE ALL HERE AS WELL, UM, IN FULL DETAIL DIMENSION, UH, READY FOR CONSTRUCTION ESSENTIALLY.

UH, AND SO YOU GUYS CAN LOOK AT ALL THOSE IF YOU WANT, BUT THOSE, FOR THE MOST PART, UM, FOR THE MOMENT, I THINK THE MOST RELEVANT THING IS THE DESIGNS.

AND MAYBE THINGS LIKE WHAT ARE THE, WHAT'S THE, UH, PORCH RAILING GONNA LOOK LIKE? UM, UH, THEY'RE ALREADY SHOWING LIKE A TAPERED UH, COLUMN ON THE FRONT PORCH, EVEN ON THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.

UH, AND MAYBE I SHOULD MAKE THAT BIGGER.

SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE A LITTLE BETTER.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE.

RIGHT? DOES IT SHOW HOW WIDE THE, THE CORNER BOARDS ARE? FIVE QUARTER BY FOUR, SO FOUR INCHES WIDE.

SO, AND THOSE ARE DETAILS THAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST ASKED, UM, THEM TO CHANGE, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER THE ONE IN RIVERSIDE.

UM, AND MAYBE ALSO THE TRIMMER ON THE WINDOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY'VE BEEN, UH, ACCOMMODATING TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS OR STANDARDS FOR THAT.

AND SO, ALRIGHT.

UM, AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS ONE.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE ACTUAL, UM, THE POTENTIAL? DON'T WE JUST ASK, I ASSUME YOU'D BE USING SMOOTH HARDY BOARD VINYL WINDOWS.

I THINK THE STATE WILL DO WHATEVER IS NEEDED TO.

UH, OKAY.

SO ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS, ANY OF THOSE DETAILS WE NEED HOPEFULLY FOR THE TWO WEEK MEETING IF WE CAN GET ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM.

UM, BUT AT LEAST MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY ARE MOTIVATED TO GET THIS HOUSE DONE ASSUMING YOU GUYS APPROVE THE DEMOS.

SO I UNDERSTAND.

AND THE HOMEOWNERS TOO, MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? I THINK WE, WE WILL STUDY THE DETAIL.

AND I THINK ASIDE FROM SOME OF THE GENERAL ONES I JUST MENTIONED, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IF IT DOES NEED A RAILING, UM, WHAT THAT WORKS LIKE.

SO I, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

FIRST OF ALL, YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE THE SITE PLAN, UM, BOUGHT IN A WEEK, UH, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE IT TO THEM FOR THE HEARING A WEEK LATER.

UH, AND THEN, UM, IF YOU HAVE THE SITE PLAN, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW, UH, IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA WHAT YOUR FLOOR HEIGHT IS GOING TO BE.

SO THAT, UM, THAT CAN BE REFLECTED IN THE PLANS AS WELL SOMEHOW.

UM, DID YOU GUYS HAVE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, SAY THE FOUNDATION DETAILS OR ANY OF THAT? UM, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO HAVE, UH, AT LEAST SOME KIND OF VENTS IN THE, IN THOSE, SO THEY'D WANNA SEE THAT AS WELL OR AT LEAST, UH, UM, AGREEMENT TO SHOW THEM AT SOME POINT.

SO THIS FOUNDATION IS, IS BLOCKED WITH A BRICK FACE? IS THAT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE? UM, THAT'S MY SENSE.

DID YOU, DID YOU SAY THERE WAS A BOROUGH HOUSE LIKE THIS BUILT IN NEWBURN BY REBUILD? UH, NO, IT WAS THE, IT WAS A DIFFERENT ONE.

DIFFERENT ONE.

IT WAS A ONE STORY WITH A OKAY.

WITH A SHED DORMER ON IT.

UH, SO THIS IS SHOWN AS A, THAT SHOWS IT AS A SLAB, BUT HERE WE HAVE THE FOUNDATION HERE.

UH HMM.

SO CONCRETE.

DO, DO YOU THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE, UH, POURING A SLAB ON LIKE A ELEVATED PAD? NO, NO.

I THINK, I THINK, UH, JONATHAN AND THAT, OKAY, SO MEETING WE HAD IS NOT GONNA BE A SLAB OF BE CRAWL SPACE.

COMPLETELY BINDING COMMITMENTS.

SO WE'LL NEED, WE'LL NEED TO SET A PLANS THAT SHOW CRAWL SPACE BASE AND THEN, UH, IT'S OKAY TO HAVE, UH, CMU FOOTING, UM, FOUNDATIONS, WHATEVER THEY ARE.

UM, BUT THEN, UH, WRAPPED WITH BRICK, WHICH THEY WERE PLANNING ON DOING ANYWAY FOR THIS.

AND MY ASSUMPTIONS, SINCE IT'S A STATE PROGRAM, I GUESS HEARING FROM THE PREVIOUS THINGS THAT SOMEONE WOULD NEED TO BE HERE TO ANSWER ALL THOSE QUESTIONS.

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AND, AND MAKE THOSE COMMITMENTS BECAUSE IT WILL BE RIGHT.

WE'LL, I, I, I GUESS I, I WASN'T SURE THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE REVIEWING THIS.

I THOUGHT WE'D BE TALKING MORE DEMOS.

SO I GUESS EVERYBODY WILL JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE AND IF WE SCHEDULE FOR TWO WEEKS AND WELL, YEAH.

AND THAT'S WHY, WHY IT'LL BE ALMOST LIKE A DESIGN REVIEW HEARING, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT SIZE OF BOARD, SIZE OF TRIM RAILINGS, YOU KNOW, THE SAME SORTS OF THINGS WE LOOK AT FOR ALL INFILL, UM, PLACES.

WELL, MATT, COULD YOU BRING UP THE FRONT OF YOUR, SEE HERE'S A, HERE'S A WALL SECTION WHERE IT SHOWS, UM, A CRAWL SPACE.

CRAWL SPACE.

MATT, COULD YOU BRING UP THE, THE FRONT OF THE EXISTING HOUSE BECAUSE THE NARROWER HOUSE AND THE WIDE CORNER BOARDS, HOW DOES THAT COME OUT? YOU KNOW? YEAH, IT'S A FAIRLY NARROW HOUSE AND I'M WONDERING WHAT'S ON THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW.

ALTHOUGH THIS ONE'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S WIDER, LIKE THEY'RE TAKING TWO LOTS PERHAPS.

NO, BUT I IT'S STILL IN THEIR HOUSE.

IT IS THEIR HOUSE, YEAH.

IT DOESN'T MAKE IT EXISTING.

APPEARS TO BE VINYL.

YEAH, THAT'S, YES, THAT'S A REPLACEMENT.

YEAH, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT, WELL ACTUALLY WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WOOD, THE REMEMBER THEY TOOK THE VINYL OFF.

OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

THIS IS NOT, I SAY THIS, IT LOOKS WOOD.

SO THAT LOOKS CLOSER TO FOUR INCHES THAN SIX.

I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT, BUT I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK IT.

IF YOU NEED THAT INFORMATION.

YOU PUT TOO MUCH DESIGN ON THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE AND IT'S NARROW.

NOW WE HAVE EIGHT 11 P*****K STREET.

SO, UM, MIGHT BE GOOD TO GET SOME, UH, TAPE MEASURE OUT ON THESE AND UH, TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH SO THAT WE CAN KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL DIMENSIONS WERE ON ALL OF THESE ON THE EXISTING HOUSE.

IT MAY TURN OUT THAT IT'S LESS CLOSER TO WHAT, UH, THEY'RE SHOWING ON THE PLANS ALREADY THAN WHAT WE WOULD OTHERWISE EXPECT.

EXPECT FOUR, FIVE.

WHAT'S ALWAYS BEEN DECEPTIVE ABOUT THIS HOUSE AND WHEN WE FIRST WENT THERE IS YOU DIDN'T REALIZE SOME OF THE ISSUES BY LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

WELL, THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, ALL THAT TERMITE DAMAGE WAS INSIDE THE WALLS AND THE, THE SEPARATION AT THE BACK, I MEAN ALL THAT WAS MM-HMM .

JUST NOT THAT VISIBLE AND IT WAS HARD TO, WHOEVER CRAWLED UNDER IT, IT WAS HARD TO CRAWL UNDER BECAUSE SOME OF THE FLOORS HAD ALREADY COLLAPSED ON THE INSIDE.

SO, YEAH.

ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALRIGHT, SO

[2.F. 811 Pollock St. - demolition and redevelopment with new 2-story rebuilt house. ]

SO LET'S SEE.

PROBABLY A VERY SIMILAR DISCUSSION, HUH? YES.

SO, UM, IN THIS CASE, UM, THEY HAVEN'T, THEY'VE STARTED SOME, UH, UH, REHAB PROJECT WITH A PREVIOUS CONTRACTOR, SO I GUESS IT GOT WENT A LITTLE TOO FAR THERE.

CHURCH OUT THERE.

AND THEN AGAIN, UH, THE REBUILD OR THE STATE, I GUESS IT'S NOT REBUILD NC ANYMORE.

DID REBUILD NC WAS INVOLVED WITH THE PREVIOUS CONTRACTOR AND THEY BACKED OUT OF THIS? OR HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? OH, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS MARK PICKETT WITH BAPTIST ON MISSION.

UH, THIS PROJECT ORIGINALLY WAS AN NC REBUILD PROJECT.

UH, JUST IN THE RECENT PAST, UH, REBUILD APPROACHED US, UH, TO, TO LOOK AT TAKING ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THEY WERE GONNA EXIT THEM OUT OF THE PROGRAM WITH, WITH NO HELP.

UH, SO THEY, THEY'VE ASKED US TO STEP IN AND WE ARE STEPPING IN AT THE LAST MOMENT.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION I DO NOT HAVE.

I CAN TRY TO PROVIDE AS MUCH AS I CAN, BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION WITHIN THE TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US, UH, TO WORK WITH.

WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE END OF YOUR TIMELINE? THE GRANT MONIES THAT ARE BEING MADE AVAILABLE TO US WILL BE, UH, NO LONGER AVAILABLE AT THE END OF OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR.

THE END OF OCTOBER.

ON MISSION ARE THE APPLICANTS.

UM, SO, UH, THEY'RE ALSO ON A, UH, VERY CRITICAL PATH, UH, CRITICAL PATH, UM, FOR THIS AS WELL.

BUT, UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE APPLICATION HERE.

UH, THE OWNER IS JERRY TAYLOR AND, UH, BAPTIST

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AND THIS IS, UH, NOT JBO, BUT MARK, UH, PICKETT, WHICH KIND OF DROPS OFF THE PAGE HERE.

I THINK A BOARDING HOUSE.

MARK PICKETT.

UH, AND, UM, THEY ALSO DESCRIBE THE PROJECT AS DEMOLITION AND REBUILD.

SO, AND MR. PICKETT HAS SIGNED IT AND, UH, THEY HAVE BEEN NAMED AS, UH, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE OWNER BY THE OWNER.

SO HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE, UH, KIND OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY EVEN PROVIDED.

UM, SO I DIDN'T NEED TO DO THAT ONE, BUT I DID DO ONE THAT, UH, ZOOMED IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE PROPERTY, UH, HERE.

AND YOU CAN SEE IT ALSO BACKS UP TO THE TRENT COURT PROJECT BELOW THERE.

UH, AND THIS, UH, NEIGHBORING BUILDING IS THE, UH, IS THE WOOD CHAPEL THAT'S, UM, ALONG P*****K STREET.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S SET BACK FARTHER THAN ANYTHING ELSE ON THE BLOCK, UH, WITH THIS ONE BEING SECOND FARTHEST, AND THEN EVEN THE NEIGHBOR BEHIND THERE BEING PERHAPS THE THIRD FARTHEST, UM, FROM THE STREET.

UM, AND SO, UM, UH, WE SEE THAT MIGHT COME INTO PLAY A LITTLE BIT WITH REGARD TO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO THERE'S THE ZOOM IN ON THE ACTUAL HOUSE ITSELF.

UH, TO NOTE HERE IS, UM, WE HAVE FRONT PORCH OUT FRONT AND THEN A TWO STORY PORTION HERE.

UH, AND THERE'S ALSO A TWO STORY PORTION, UH, IN THIS LOWER LEFT CORNER, IN THIS CORNER HERE.

SO, UM, THE TWO STORY IS ALMOST AN L SHAPE OR A P SHAPE.

UH, AND THEN THIS IS A ONE STORY SEGMENT AND THEN YET ANOTHER ONE STORY ADDITION.

UH, ON THE VERY BACK WE'LL SEE ALL THOSE FROM THE GROUND.

BUT, UM, AND THERE ARE TWO CHIMNEYS.

THIS ONE'S MORE LIKE A FLUE, YOU CAN SEE THE SHADOW AND THE OTHER CHIMNEY IS OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

YOU CAN'T SEE IT SO WELL IN THIS PHOTO.

LET'S SEE.

KEEP GOING.

THIS IS THE ASSESSOR'S, UH, FLOOR PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY, UH, WITH THE STREET AT THE TOP, UH, THE PORCH.

AND THE REASON I HAVE THIS IN HERE IS THE SECOND FLOOR IS SHOWN HERE IN RED.

SO AGAIN, THAT P SHAPE FOR THE SECOND FLOOR.

AND THEN THE OTHER, UH, PORTIONS HERE ARE, UH, ONE, THE FIRST FLOOR ROOFS, UH, ESSENTIALLY ARE THE FIRST FLOOR AREAS, THE SINGLE STORY AREAS, UH, HERE.

UM, AND THIS HAD BEEN A PORCH AT ONE POINT, SO, UM, A STREET VIEW IMAGE FROM 2019, THESE TWO HERE.

AND THIS ONE ACTUALLY SHOWS, UH, AS MUCH AS ANY OF THE OTHERS.

THE TWO STORY PORTION HERE AND THE TWO STORY, UM, MORE OR LESS ADDITION OR SECTION, UM, ON THE BACK.

AND THEN THE ONE STORY ADDITION ON, ON THE BACK OF THAT AS WELL.

SO THIS IS A NATIONAL REGISTER, UM, ENTRY FOR THIS PROPERTY.

THE, UH, THE MAIN BUILDING IS THE PRENTICE HOUSE.

UH, IT'S FEDERAL STYLE, AND IT'S TWO STORIES, TWO BAYS WIDE.

THREE BAYS DEEP MODERN FOR WITH ROCK FACED CONCRETE BLOCK POSTS, EXTERIOR AND, AND CHIMNEY, AND A GABLE END ROOF.

UM, SO IT'S DESCRIBED AS HAVING BEEN BUILT IN 1830 TO 1840, AND THEN REMODELED SLASH REMODELED OR ALTERED IN 1920 TO 1930.

AND IT'S LISTED AS CONTRIBUTING.

UM, THE LITTLE SHED ON THE BACK IS NON-CONTRIBUTING.

IT WAS BUILT IN 1980, TIM.

UH, AND THEN THE SAND BACK HISTORY, I DIDN'T GET TO PUT THAT IN THERE.

UH, BUT, UH, THERE'S SOME, UH, INTERESTING, UH, BITS OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE, UM, UH, IT'S, UH, UH, PROVENANCE OVER THE YEARS.

UH, IT STARTED WITH APPRENTICE FAMILY, UH, BUT THEN IT ENDED UP IN THE HANDS OF THE, UM, IS IT, UH, EPISCOPAL OR, UM, PRESBYTERIAN, UM, DIOCESE, UH, BECAUSE THE CHAPEL WAS RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND THEY WERE USING IT FOR, UM,

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AND SO WE'LL SEE THAT IN A SECOND.

MAYBE I'LL JUST, I'LL LOOK THAT UP.

UH, CRAP.

SO, UM, WELL, I DID, UH, GET THE SHIPPO TO SEND ME THE FILE FOR THIS.

DANG IT.

AND ON THE FOURTH PAGE, THEY, THEY REFER TO THE DIOCESE OWNERSHIP.

THAT'S THE NORMAL, UM, SURVEY FORM.

THIS IS SOME OF THEIR, UM, RESEARCH, UH, MOSTLY OF THE SANBORN MAPS WE'LL SEE IN A MINUTE.

AND THE 1907 TAX LIST AT THE BOTTOM HERE SAYS THE DIOCESE OF EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA WAS THE OWNER AT THE TIME.

AND, UH, UM, SOME MORE REFERENCES TO, ITS, ITS OLDER HISTORY.

THE OLD, OLD DEEDS ARE SHOWN HERE IN THEIR FILE.

AND, UM, SOME OTHER, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT WHO SOME OF THE OWNERS HAVE BEEN AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES AND THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME.

UM, SO THESE PHOTOGRAPHS THEN ARE FROM, I THINK WAS, THE FILE WAS DATED 1981.

UM, SO THE HOUSE HASN'T CHANGED MUCH, UH, EVEN SINCE 1981.

YOU'LL SEE IN A MINUTE THAT THE BACK LOOKS PRETTY MUCH JUST LIKE THIS.

THE BACK PORCH HAS BEEN ALREADY, UM, ENCLOSED.

UM, CHIMNEYS ARE ALL THERE.

EVERYTHING'S PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SAME, EVEN SINCE 1981.

UH, THEY DID DOCUMENT SOME DAMAGE ON THE LEFT FRONT CORNER OF THE HOUSE AT THE TIME.

THAT'S ALL NOTATIONS ON THE BACKS OF ALL OF ALL THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS.

OKAY? SO THE SANBORN MAP FROM 1898 SHOWS THE, UH, STRUCTURE HERE IN RED, CIRCLED IN RED AS A TWO STORY DWELLING WITH A PORCH ON THE FRONT.

AND, UH, PRETTY MUCH, UH, WELL IN THE SAME LOCATION AS WE SAW IN THE AERIAL WITH THE CHAPEL HERE ON THE RIGHT SET ALL THE WAY BACK.

AND THEN THIS ONE SECOND MOST AND THIRD MOST, UH, SET BACK BOTH OF THOSE AT THAT WEIRD ANGLE.

IT'S WEIRD THAT THOSE TWO ARE RIGHT ANGLE.

I KNOW .

SO, AND THEN IN 1904, THE HOUSE IS STILL THERE.

THE SAME, HOWEVER, I'M GONNA ZOOM IN ON THIS ONE.

UM, IT HAPPENS TO SHOW THAT THE PORCH IS ACTUALLY A TWO STORY PORCH, SO A DOUBLE, THE DOUBLE DECKER, UH, REALLY IS IT SO CONCLUSIVE THERE.

200.

LET'S SEE.

YEAH, SO THAT'S A TWO, JUST LIKE THE TWO THERE FOR THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE.

UH, AND IT'S AN EPISCOPAL CHAPEL.

SO NOW IN, OOPS, WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? I PASSED IT, 1908.

UM, IT NOW HAS THIS ONE STORY OPEN, LIKE A PORCH EDITION ON THE SIDE.

UH, AND IT SEEMS TO BE ON THE SAME PROPERTY AS THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH.

UH, AND I THINK WE HAD JUST TALKED ABOUT, IT WAS ON THE TAX ROLLS IN 1907 FOR WITH THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH OR DIOCESE.

UH, AND SO THIS COULD BE, UH, COVERED OPEN SPACE FOR THE OCCUPANTS OF THE DWELLING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BE OUTSIDE.

UM, AND THE SAME THING.

IT'S STILL, UH, GOT THE TWO STORY PORCH.

THERE WE GO, IN 19 13, 19 24.

UM, NOW WE SEE THIS, UH, UH, THE KIND OF THIS, THE P SHAPE OF THE SECOND FLOOR SHOWS UP ON THIS, ON THIS PLAN.

UM, NOT SURE IF THAT MEANS THAT THEY CUT OUT OR WHAT THEY DID BACK HERE.

I THINK IT JUST MEANS IT WAS A TWO STORY ADDITION AND A ONE STORY ADDITION DONE PROBABLY AT THE SAME TIME.

AND HERE ON THE FRONT PORCH, IT DOESN'T SAY IF IT'S TWO STORY OR NOT.

AND IT DOESN'T SAY THAT FOR ANY OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND THERE, EITHER IF THEY'RE ONE OR TWO STORY.

SO THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE NOTATED THAT AT THE TIME, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS THAT MIGHT VERIFY SOME OF THIS.

THEN BY 1958, IT'S SHOWN AS A ONE STORY, UM, PORCH, AND OTHERWISE THE BUILDING

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LOOKS THE SAME.

UH, THE CHAPEL HAS HAD A NEW ADDITION ON THE SIDE HERE, UH, ENCROACHING IN THERE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY ON THE SAME PROPERTY AT THE TIME.

SO, UM, AND THIS ALSO HAPPENS TO BE, THIS IS THAT MAP THAT WAS 1931 MAP THAT, UM, WAS OVER LANE WITH, UH, CHANGES ALL THE WAY UP TO 1958.

BUT THIS SECTION HERE, I HAVE NOTATED 1931.

ALL THIS IS ON THE ORIGINAL LAYER.

SO THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS IN 1931 AND 1958.

SO SOME, AT LEAST WE KNOW THAT IT WAS ONE STORY IN 1931 THAT MAYBE THAT'S LIKELY WHEN THEY ADDED THOSE, UM, CONCRETE, UM, PORCH COLUMNS.

SO, UM, THESE ARE NOW, UH, SOME PHOTOGRAPHS.

I GUESS THIS IS BETTER THAN THE ONE I SHOWED EARLIER.

UM, THE OTHER THING TO NOTE HERE IS THE MECHANICAL UNIT IS HERE ON THE SIDE.

UM, THAT BECOMES, UH, A LANDMARK OR A MARKER, UH, FOR THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

UM, THE, UH, THE PREVIOUS, UM, CONTRACTOR, UH, THAT WAS DOING IT AS A REHAB DID A FULL, LIKE 27 PAGE ESTIMATE, UM, UH, GOING, UM, LINE BY LINE FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS TO THE, THE SCOPE OF WORK, UH, WITH A FINAL BOTTOM, BOTTOM LINE PAGE.

UM, WAS, UH, $91,000, UM, TO DO THE, THE REHAB, WHICH WOULD, DID NOTHING ON THE OUTSIDE EXCEPT, UH, REMOVE THE CHIMNEY, WHICH I TOLD THEM, UH, NO, UNLESS YOU GET APPROVAL FROM THE HPC.

UH, AND THEN, UH, THEY, THAT HAD NO, THAT HAD NO EXTERIOR WORK, NO, NO, OTHER THAN PAINTING.

AND, UH, I THINK, UH, EITHER REMOVING OR REPAIRING THE STORM WINDOWS.

I THINK THAT WAS IT.

AND, AND WHEN WAS THIS ESTIMATE? UM, ACTUALLY IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS PREPARED IN 2021.

2021, OKAY.

BUT IT WAS ONLY SENT TO ME IN 2024.

OKAY, SO 2021 UP HERE.

SO, SO IT WAS OBVIOUSLY WAS CONSIDERED VIABLE, VIABLE REHAB THEN.

UNTIL, UH, AGAIN, LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE UNTIL YOU GET IN THERE AND YOU FIND THERE'S MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE.

UH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS TO NOTE IS THIS IS, UH, OBVIOUSLY A STRUCTURAL PROBLEM HERE ON THIS, UH, PORCH COLUMN THAT THEY DIDN'T MENTION THAT IN THEIR, IN THEIR REHAB.

UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT COLUMN, UH, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT SHIFTED.

UM, THIS, UH, THE, UM, THE, THIS IS THE PORCH FLOOR.

I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU A REFERENCE HERE.

THE, THE PORCH FLOOR OF THE CORNER, UH, THE PORCH FLOOR HAS SHIFTED, UH, ON THE, ON THAT CONSTRUCTION THERE AS WELL.

AND THERE'S A GAP HERE THAT'S BEEN CREATED IN THE PROCESS.

SO THAT WHOLE THING IS SHIFTING.

UM, ARE THOSE CONCRETE STEPS MET? THAT IS JUST THE CONCRETE, UM, UH, EDGE OF THE PORCH.

SOMEHOW THEY, THEY BUILT IT ON IN THE LAYERS.

THAT'S JUST A PORTION OF THE FOUNDATION BUILD UP FOUNDATION FOR THE CONCRETE PORCH.

UM, THIS IS TRYING TO SHOW THE, THE GAP BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE CHIMNEY.

THAT'S, UH, STARTED TO HAPPEN.

UM, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE FROM THERE, AND IT'S QUITE A DISTANCE AWAY.

THERE'S ANOTHER PHOTO THAT HELPS WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, I BELIEVE THIS ONE WAS TO SHOW THAT POTENTIALLY THERE'S SOME TIPPING OF A, UH, PIER HERE.

UH, UH, WE HAVE SOME ROTTED STUFF, SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE, THAT COULD JUST BE REPAIRS, RIGHT? OR, UH, UM, REPLACEMENTS OF INDIVIDUAL PIECES.

BUT AS YOU ADD THEM ALL UP, UM, IT'S, UH, MAYBE, UH, UH, UH, BECOMES MORE SIGNIFICANT.

NOW, HERE WE HAVE A WALL.

YOU CAN SEE THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S BOWING OUT.

EVERYONE SEE THAT? YEAH.

THE, UH, STAIRWAY COMING OUT OF THE BACK DOOR.

UH, SO THIS IS, UH, WHAT ON THE BACKSIDE, UH, THE ACTUAL PORCH.

THIS IS THE,

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SO THAT WAS THAT ENCLOSED PORCH AREA.

UM, THEN WE HAVE, WHICH IS THERE, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN RIGHT DOWN HERE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER.

UM, NOW THIS IS AN IMAGE OF THE ENTIRE BACK OF THE HOUSE, SO YOU GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAT HAVE THE, THE MAIN TWO STORY PORTION HERE.

AND THEN THE OTHER TWO STORY, UH, PIECE ON THIS SIDE IS A ACTUAL, UH, BATHROOM, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN ADDED RIGHT AT SOME POINT IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS.

UH, AND THEN THE TWO OTHER, UH, ONE STORY ADDITIONS HERE.

UM, UH, AND, UM, YOU DO SEE THESE SIX OVER SIX SASH ON THIS THING.

SOME OF 'EM ARE STILL HERE.

UM, ON THIS SIDE, THIS IS NOW THE WEST SIDE.

ARE THESE CURRENT PICTURES, MATT? THESE ARE, YES.

THE APPLICANT SENT US ALL OF THESE.

UM, AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK END OF THE WEST SIDE, THIS IS NOW THE ONE, THIS COULD BE THE TWO STORY ADDITION IN HERE WITH THE ONE STORY ADDITION IN THE BACK.

LOOKS LIKE, UH, AND THERE'S SOME BOWING THERE.

UM, THIS IS THE AREA AT THE, UM, AIR CONDITIONER.

UM, I'M SURPRISED IT DOESN'T LOOK.

DO WE HAVE ANOTHER PICTURE OF THAT? THERE WE GO.

SO HERE WE ALSO HAVE, AGAIN, SOME BOWING OF THIS WALL.

UM, THIS, THIS IS ALL, UH, VINYL SIDING, SO IT'S BENDING ALONG WITH THE WALL WHEN THE WALL'S TIPPING AND, UH, BOWING OUT.

DOES THE PROPERTY HAVE VINYL THE WHOLE WAY AROUND? YES.

UH, THIS IS, UM, JUST A PIECE OF TRIM THAT'S, UH, FALLEN OFF OR, UH, SOMEHOW BEEN REMOVED.

AND THIS WOULD NORMALLY BE THE, UH, THE COUNTERWEIGHT, UM, SPACE, UH, FOR THESE WINDOWS.

THAT HAS THE WINDOW ON IT.

SO NOW AT THE FRONT DOOR, THIS IS, AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE LIKE SMALL LITTLE REPAIR THINGS, UM, THAT ADD UP THAT HOLE THERE.

UM, THIS, UH, THE HOLE IN THE CORNER, THE ROOM OF THE WALLS, BUT ALSO A HOLE DOWN TO THE, UM, CRAWL SPACE WHERE IT'S DAY LIGHTING.

UH, MORE SIGNIFICANT IS, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, THE WAY THE FLOORS ARE TIPPING AND TILTING.

WE HAVE SOME NEWER PHOTOS WITH SOME, UM, LEVELS ON THIS, BUT HERE YOU CAN SEE, UM, ALSO SOME MORE SLOPING OF THE FLOOR HERE.

THIS IS NOW, UM, AN OPENING THAT THE CONTRACTORS MADE IN THE FLOOR SO THAT THEY CAN GET INTO THE CRAWL SPACE AND LOOK AROUND THERE.

UM, IF WE TOUR THIS BUILDING, UH, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO OPEN THAT UP FOR US.

UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT COULD BE A, UM, A HAZARD IF IT STAYED OPEN.

UM, THE FLOOR, EVEN THE STAIRWAY IS TIPPING SLIGHTLY TO THE LEFT, ALTHOUGH THAT COULD HAVE BEEN JUST THE, THE CAMERA TIPPING.

UM, IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE, UH, PHOTO OF THE CEILING.

WE'RE GONNA SEE A LITTLE CLOSER UP, BUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THESE BEAMS, UH, OR FLOOR JOISTS HERE.

AND OF COURSE, THE, THE MOLD AND THE DETERIORATION IN THE CEILING.

SO HERE WE HAVE A FLOOR JOISTS THAT'S CRACKED.

UM, THERE'S THAT FAN WE JUST HAD IN THE PREVIOUS PHOTO.

UM, SO, UM, SOME OTHER STRUCTURAL ISSUES, INTERIOR TO THE BUILDING.

UH, THIS, NOW I'M GONNA ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THIS ONE.

THIS IS A, UM, SERIOUS AMOUNT OF DAMAGE, UM, RESULTING FROM WATER INFILTRATION, CORRECT? WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE, THE BIGGEST INFILTRATION OF WATER FROM THE REAR CHIMNEY AREA GOING DOWN THE, THE, THE TWO STORY WALL BETWEEN THE TWO STORY, ONE STORY STRUCTURE, UH, THAT HAS, UH, IS ROTTING OUT THAT, THAT TWO STORY BACK WALL AND THE INTERIOR WALL, UM, STRUCTURE PORTION OF THAT.

SO YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE THAT'S ON THE VERY BACK, THAT ONE STORY, THAT'S LOOKS ALMOST LIKE A, FOR THE, FOR THE SECOND, THE SECOND STORY WALL

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OH, I SEE.

NEXT TO THAT.

AND THE ONE STORY THAT, THAT WALL WITH THAT WINDOW ON IT, UH, GOT A, A LARGE AMOUNT OF WATER INFILTRATION.

UH, SO IS THIS INSIDE OF THE, THIS WALL IN THIS CORNER HERE? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? CAN YOU SEE UP THERE? OH, YEAH, YEAH.

NO, IT, IT IS ACTUALLY, IT IS ACTUALLY THE, THE WALL WHERE THE WINDOW IS.

OH, THAT ONE THAT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, THE FOUNDATION.

SO EVERYTHING ELSE IS KIND OF ATTACHED TO THAT.

SO THAT PICTURE LOOKING IN A CLOSET WAS FROM THE ONE THAT'S FROM THE DOWNSTAIRS, UH, FLOOR, FROM THE ONE STORY DOWN HERE, UM, CLOSET OR THE, ON THE TWO STORY SIDE, IT, THE PICTURE IS FROM THE TWO STORY SIDE, LOOKING TOWARDS THE ONE, TOWARD, TOWARDS THAT BACK WALL.

THANK YOU, .

AND SO THIS IS ALL EXTERIOR, OR YOU SAID THIS WAS INTERIOR, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERIOR WALL NEXT TO IT, THAT, THAT PORTION IS THE INTERIOR WALL TO A BATHROOM MM-HMM .

TO, TO, TO THE RIGHT.

IF YOU TAKE YOUR CURSOR PAST THAT CORNER, THAT IS THE EXTERIOR PORTION OF THE, OF THE HOUSE WALL.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE, AN INTERIOR WALL COMING INTO THE, TO THE CENTER OF THE HOME.

AND THE OTHER PORTION WOULD BE THE, THE BACK WALL OF THAT TWO STORY HOUSE.

UM, THEN, UH, THIS IS A CLOSEUP OF THAT AREA, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT AREA.

THIS MUST BE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST FLOOR IN THAT, UH, STORAGE ROOM AREA.

THE, THE TRANSITION FROM THE STORAGE ROOM TO THAT FIRST FLOOR ADDITION.

AND HERE IT LOOKS LIKE WE SEE THE, UH, BACKSIDE OF THE, UH, VINYL SIDING.

AND THEN, UH, I GUESS, UH, THE BLACK TAR PAPER OR WHATEVER WAS USED AT THE TIME IS KIND OF DIS DISINTEGRATING, AND THIS WAS CAUSED BY SOME KIND OF A WATER LEAK, I SUPPOSE.

RIGHT? THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE DAMAGE THAT WE, THAT WE WERE AWARE OF WAS ROOF, WIND, RAIN DAMAGE FROM HURRICANE FLORENCE.

SO NOW, UM, WE GOT THEM TO PUT SOME, UH, LEVELS ON THIS.

SO THIS IS A TWO INCH DIFFERENCE OVER THE LENGTH OF THAT, UM, THAT LEVEL.

AND THIS IS AT THE, YOU SEE THE STAIRWAY GOING UP THERE.

UH, THEN WE HAVE, UM, OVER HERE IT'S ALMOST THREE INCHES AT THIS ONE.

SO IN, IN THAT PICTURE FOR POINT OF REFERENCE, UH, IN THE CENTER IN THE BACK, YOU SEE THE GRAB RAIL OF THE BATHROOM.

THAT'S THAT CENTER WALL THAT I WAS REFERRING TO IN THE PREVIOUS PICTURES.

UH, INSIDE THE PANTRY, UH, THE PANTRY IS ON THE, ON THE BACK SIDE BACKSIDE OF THAT GRAB RAIL.

AND THEN THE EXTERIOR WALL IS DOWN THERE AT, AT THE VERY BACK, YEAH.

SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS GOING ON WITHIN THE STRUCTURE.

UM, HERE IS ALSO, UH, TWO AND A HALF INCHES AT LEAST.

UM, THIS, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, ACCESS WAY THERE.

UH, SO HAVE YOU LOOKED UNDERNEATH IS THE REASON, REASON FOR THE, THE, THESE, UH, DIFFERENCES IN ELEVATION DUE TO THE STRUCTURAL MEMBERS UNDERNEATH IS, IS WHAT'S CAUSING THE, THE SLOPING OF THOSE FLOORS? A COMBINATION OF MULTIPLE THINGS.

UH, THE ROTTEN WOOD, UH, DEGRADATION OF AGED WOOD, A LOT OF CRACKED, UH, GIRDERS AND JOISTS UNDERNEATH.

BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME FOUNDATION AREAS THAT ARE TIPPING, UH, SETTLING OR TIPPING OR THE, FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THE BACK LEFT OF THE TWO STORY WHERE THE WINDOW IS THAT THAT CORNER APPEARS TO BE TIPPING BACKWARDS AND THE CENTER OF THE HOUSE APPEARS TO BE SINKING IN.

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UM, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE, TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT FALLING OFF.

SO, AND WHAT ARE WE SEEING WITH THESE? ANYTHING THAT, IS THIS A GAP BETWEEN THE BASEBOARD AND THE FLOOR? NO.

WHAT, THERE'S A SERIES OF PICTURES, UH, TWO PICTURES OF BASEBOARDS AND THEN ONE OF A WALL.

THIS WOULD BE THAT UPSTAIRS BACK, LEFT BEDROOM WHERE THAT WINDOW WAS ON THE EXTERIOR.

UM, THEY HAVE, THAT ROOM APPEARS TO BE, UH, SINKING BACKWARDS AND OUTWARDS, AND THEY HAVE BUILT THE FLOOR UP ALONG THE BACK.

SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE BASEBOARD HAS BEEN REDUCED ALONG THE BACK WALL OF THE HOUSE.

I ADD ADDITIONAL FLOORING.

OH, I SEE.

TRYING, TRYING TO ADD ADDITIONAL FLOORING TO MAKE IT LEVEL TO WALK ON.

I THINK, UH, I THINK WE SEE THAT YOU HAVE A HOLE WHEN YOU, UM, SHOW US THE HOLE ON THE FLOOR.

SO THERE YOU GOT THE, UM, THE STAIRWAY, UM, WHAT'S THAT? AN INCH OR SO AT LEAST JUST ACROSS THE WIDTH OF THE, ABOUT AN INCH.

ABOUT AN INCH AND A QUARTER OF THE TREAD.

SO HERE IS SOME OF THE, UH, FLOOR STRUCTURE.

AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS FLOOR JOIST OR BEAM CAN'T TELL IS BEING CRUSHED.

THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE THE BEAM THAT WOULD BE UNDERNEATH THAT BATHROOM WALL WHERE THAT HANDRAIL WOULD BE WHERE THEY'VE HAD MULTIPLE PREVIOUS REPAIRS.

NO, IT LOOKS LIKE SOME THE, THIS IS, UH, JUST A, LIKE A JERRY RIG, UM, YOU KNOW, JACK TO SUPPORT OTHERWISE FAILING FLOOR STRUCTURE, RIGHT? CORRECT.

WHOOPS.

THIS SHOWS, THIS WAS, UH, NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE.

HOW MANY LAYERS OF FLOORING WERE PUT IN HERE TO HELP? THIS WAS, THIS WAS PROBABLY DONE TO HELP LEVEL IT OUT.

THIS WAS IN THE BATHROOM.

THIS AREA WAS IN THE BATHROOM, UH, WHICH IS TOWARDS THAT BACK LEFT CORNER.

AND I BELIEVE AS, AS IT'S BEEN SAGGING AND SINKING OVER THE YEARS, THEY'VE JUST BEEN ADDING FLOORS TO LEVEL IT.

AND THIS LOOKS LIKE FOUR INCHES RIGHT THERE OVER THE ORIGINAL MM-HMM .

IF YOU CONSIDER THIS SECOND LAYER OF THE ORIGINAL POSSIBLE, YOU HAVE THE SUBFLOOR AND THE FINISHED FLOOR MAYBE? MM-HMM .

UH, AND HERE'S SOME STRUCTURAL FAILURE HERE.

WHAT DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE, UM, IS THAT A, IS THAT A BROKEN, IS THIS YEAH, THIS IS BROKEN OFF, RIGHT? YES.

THAT'S THE, THIS SHOULD BE UP THERE .

LIKE THAT, THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, RIGHT? WELL, THIS IS, THIS WAS A, AN OLD REPAIR.

THE PREVIOUS PICTURE WOULD BE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE HOUSE BY THE BATHROOM.

THIS WOULD, THIS WAS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE HOUSE CLOSER TO WHERE WE WERE SHOWING THE, THE LEVEL THROUGH THAT DOORWAY.

UH, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, SOMEONE HAD GONE IN AND MADE SOME PRE, UH, PREVIOUS REPAIRS AND CUT A LARGE NUMBER OF THE JOISTS TRYING TO PUT ADDITIONAL WOOD IN, AND NOW THEY'RE COMPROMISED AND THEY'RE STARTING TO BREAK.

THE WOOD DOESN'T LOOK BAD SHAPE.

HOW ABOUT THIS ONE? WHAT DO WE SEE HERE? UH, THIS IS THAT SAME AREA, BUT THE, THE PIER, IT A, A FEW OF THE PIERS ARE STARTING TO DETERIORATE AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A NUMBER OF BRICK THAT ARE LAYING ON THE, ON THE GROUND AROUND IT.

AND WHAT DO WE SEE HERE? THIS WAS UNDER THE KITCHEN AREA.

UM, STRUCTURALLY I'M NOT SO WORRIED ABOUT IT 'CAUSE IT'S A SINGLE STORY.

IT'S SAFER TO WORK WITH, BUT, UH, YOU CAN SEE WHERE PORTIONS OF THE SEAL PLATE ARE MISSING AND THAT'S, THAT'S DAYLIGHT THAT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH, UM, TO THE OUTSIDE.

SO THIS, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A WHITE PIECE OF WOOD OR SOMETHING THAT ENDS HERE AND THERE.

IT SHOULD, SOMETHING SHOULD CONTINUE ACROSS, RIGHT? CORRECT.

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THE, THE BACK PORTION, THE KITCHEN AREA DOES HAVE, UH, DIMENSIONAL LUMBER FRAMING IN IT.

HERE'S NOW NOT JUST THE FLOORS, BUT THE CEILINGS.

THEN THIS, THIS IS THAT BACK LEFT ROOM THAT WAS, UH, TRYING TO SAY WE'RE, WE FEEL LIKE THAT IT'S SHIFTING BACK AND OUT AS IT, OKAY.

IS THIS THAT CEILING FAN WE SAW EARLIER? THAT'S ACTUALLY A CEILING REGISTER FOR THE OH, REGISTER AIR CONDITIONER.

OH, GOTCHA.

YEAH, THOSE HANGING OUT THERE.

SO I TURNED, I THINK THE CAMERA WAS A LITTLE BIT TIPPED WHEN THIS WAS TAKEN, SO I SHIPPED THE PICTURE SO THAT THE, THE FLOORBOARDS WERE MORE FLAT ACROSS.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY THE, THE PHOTOS KIND OF COCKED LIKE THAT.

UH, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TELL US HERE? ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF, IN THAT, PRIMARILY IN THAT BACK LEFT CORNER OF THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE WHERE THE, THE PIERS ARE, ARE DEGRADING AND THE STRUCTURAL BEAMS ARE, ARE ROTTING AND COLLAPSING.

AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S ANY IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS PIECE THAT'S AT THIS ANGLE HERE? LIKE THIS? I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THEY HAD THE, THE CROSS GIRD NOTCHED INTO IT.

UH, AND IT, IT'S, THEY'RE KIND OF OVERLAP AND, BUT DON'T LINE UP ANY LONGER LIKE THEY, LIKE IT HAS SHIFTED WITH THE MOVEMENT.

GO BACK TO, OKAY, WHAT DO WE SEE HERE? THIS IS BACK IN THAT DOWNSTAIRS LIVING ROOM.

UH, JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE PREVIOUS REPAIRS, UH, THAT WERE DONE IN THAT CEILING.

UH, THE, THE LOWER BOARD, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE A GAP.

IT'S DIFFICULT TO MAKE OUT, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY, THERE'S PROBABLY A TWO, TWO AND A QUARTER INCHES OF GAP BETWEEN THE, THE CEILING JOIST AND THE FLOOR ABOVE IT.

UH, AND THEY, THEY'VE GONE IN AND, UH, SCABBED WOOD IN THERE WHERE THOSE BOARDS ARE, ARE CRACKING AND SPLITTING.

MATT, IF I CAN SEE WE'RE GETTING REPETITIVE HERE.

THESE PICTURES WILL BE ONLINE, BUT THE QUESTION YEAH.

CAN DO WE THINK WE NEED A, A VISIT? NO, IT PICTURE .

YEAH, BUT WE, WE NEED TO MAKE A VISIT.

UM, SO MATT, CAN YOU ARRANGE YES.

IS IT IT'S SAFE TO GO IN FIRST FLOOR? WE WALK GINGERLY WHEN WE WALK THROUGH THE HOUSE.

SO, UH, UP TO FOUR PEOPLE.

FINE.

UM, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE ON THIS ONE? THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE REST THAT IS OUTSIDE THAT, UH, UPSTAIRS BACK WINDOW.

UH, JUST SHOWING ANOTHER WATER ENTRY POINT.

UH, IS THAT IT HERE? THIS, THIS CORNER HERE? YEAH.

THE, THE, THIS, THIS IS SLOPING DOWN TOWARDS THIS CORRECT ROOF THAT'S GOING THE OTHER, OTHER DIRECTION.

AND THERE'S NO VALLEY OR ANYTHING THERE.

SO IT, IT'S, THE WINDOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING OUT OF IS THE PRIMARY DAMAGE IN THE, IN THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING, BUT THERE'S ALSO DAMAGE IN, IN THAT WALL AT THAT TRANSITION, UH, BETWEEN THE FIRST FLOOR STRUCTURES.

THAT PROBABLY EXPLAINS A LOT OF THAT RIGHT THERE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE, UH, LEVEL FOR THE CHIMNEY, UM, OVER THE, OVER THE LENGTH OF THAT LEVEL.

UM, IT'S OUT OF PLUM BY THAT MUCH.

OF THE FOOTING OF THAT PIER.

THIS IS A DETERIORATED PIECE OF WELL, CAN, CAN WE SKIP ONE THROUGH HERE? YEAH.

UH, YEAH, I, I, YEAH, BUT THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER ONES.

I THOUGHT.

WELL, BUT THEY'RE ALL ONLINE.

WE CAN LOOK AT THEM BEFORE WE GO.

YES, YES.

SOME OF THEM NEED EXPLANATION THOUGH.

LIKE WHAT? LIKE THE ONE WITH THE ROOFING THERE, WHAT THE ISSUE WAS, UM, IS THIS, UH, SAY LIKE A TIPPING PIER.

THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THIS PICTURE WAS THE PROBE THAT, THAT IS THE WIDTH

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OH, OKAY.

IT THERE, THERE'S NO SUBSTANTIAL FOOTINGS UNDERNEATH THE PIERS, UH, OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE.

AND THE OTHER ONES, I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT SOME OF THESE WERE OTHER THAN YOU'RE SHOWING SOME BROADED PIECES.

SO THE NEXT THING WAS, UH, THEY DID PROVIDE A REPORT FROM AN ENGINEER ABOUT THIS AND THEIR, UH, OBSERVATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

IF, IF YOU WANT TO SKIP THAT FOR NOW.

IS THAT THE ONE THAT SAYS IF IT'S, GO BACK A SECOND.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

THAT'S THE SECOND PARAGRAPH OF THE RECOMMENDATION.

GIVEN THAT THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT, HISTORIC DISTRICT, ADDITIONAL REGULATORY OVERSIGHT MAY LIMIT OR INCLUDE FULL DEMOLITION.

IF COMPLETE REMOVAL IS NOT PERMITTED, THEN A MORE EXTENSIVE INTERNAL DEMOLITION WILL BE REQUIRED TO ENABLE PROPER STRUCTURAL EVALUATION AND TO INFORM A SAFE REHABILITATION STRATEGY, WHICH COULD INCLUDE REMOVING THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR FRAMING SYSTEM LIKE THEY DID IN SEVEN 10 NEW STREET, INCLUDING SUBFLOORING AND FRAMING COMPONENTS, AND THEN SELECTIVE REMOVAL OF CEILING AREAS ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO OBSERVE THE INTERACTION OF LOAD BEARING WALLS AND FRAMING.

SO, UM, THAT'S JUST TO SAY, AND THEN WE MIGHT FIND EVEN MORE, UM, PROBLEMS. RIGHT.

SO, AND THAT COMMENT RIGHT THERE WAS THE EXPRESS REASON WHY WE CHOSE TO GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE LEVEL OF, OF REQUESTS THAT WE ARE, SO THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO EXPERIENCE WHAT YOU ALL ARE DEALING WITH WITH SEVEN 10 NEW STREET.

UM, SO, UM, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEMOLITION ISSUE? JUST IN LOOKING AT OUR, UH, STANDARDS, WOULD YOU PLEASE GIVE THIS, UH, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORT TO THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT'S IN, UH, THE RULES THAT HE USED TO BE? HE USED TO REVIEW IT.

UH, THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS ALREADY SEEN THAT REPORT.

HE, HE REQUIRED ME TO GET THAT REPORT WHEN I WAS GIVEN THIS PROJECT.

UH, I CALLED HIM FOR A COURTESY INSPECTION.

WE WALKED THROUGH THAT PROPERTY.

UH, ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH HE LOOKED AT ME, HE SAID, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I WILL NEVER CONSIDER A BUILDING PERMIT ON THIS STRUCTURE WITHOUT AN ENGINEER REPORT.

UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE ENGAGED THAT ENGINEER AND PROVIDED THAT LETTER.

UH, I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT HE IS VERY NERVOUS ABOUT THIS STRUCTURE, UH, AND WAS VERY ENCOURAGED WHEN I SUGGESTED THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO RECONSTRUCT A NEW HOUSE TO REPLACE IT, THE ENGINEER OR THE BUILDING AND FISH BOTH .

SO IF YOU COULD SCHEDULE OUR VISITS, GIVE US A COUPLE THREE DAYS.

SO, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE VISIT, UH, THE NEXT AVAILABLE DAYS WILL BE NEXT WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY.

SO, UM, I'LL BE CONTACTING YOU UNLESS YOU CAN TELL ME WHICH ONE OF YOU CAN AND CAN'T BE THERE.

ON WHICH DAYS RIGHT NOW I'LL BE CONTACTING YOU TO SCHEDULE THOSE MEETINGS FOR NEXT WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY.

IT'S NOT A MEETING, IT'S A, WHAT'S THAT? IT'S A VISIT.

IT'S A VISIT, NOT A MEETING.

OH, DID I SAY MEETING? SORRY.

IT'S JUST, IT'S IN OUR STANDARDS.

WE HAVE FOR THE, FOR THE VISITS, FOR THE TOURS.

AND WE CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN FOUR PEOPLE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THERE WILL BE AT LEAST TWO, IF NOT THREE SEPARATE, UH, TOURS.

BUT THEY CAN BE BACK TO BACK TOO.

THEY CAN BE BACK TO BACK, YES.

AND LIKE I SAID, AND WHEN YOU'RE IN A GROUP, YOU CAN'T EVEN TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING OR ANY OF THAT.

SO, BUT, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, ANYTHING ELSE? SO, UH, I ALSO HAVE, UH, AN EMAIL PREPARED FOR THIS ONE FOR SHIPPO, UM, TO DO THE SAME THING, UM, ON THIS ONE.

UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FULLY OUTLINED OUR NEED TO HAVE THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING? OH, THE OTHER ONE WE ALSO DID ON THE LAST ONE WAS, UM, UH, OH YEAH, THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR'S, UH, REPORT ON THE, UH, ON THE INTERIOR.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT THIS STRUCTURAL REPORT, HIS REVIEW OF THE STRUCTURAL REPORT MAY BE,

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BUT APPARENTLY HE'S ALREADY SEEN.

SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S DOCUMENTED.

YEP, YEP.

UM, SO AGAIN, LIKE THE LAST ONE, UM, IF, UH, WE GET AS FAR AS APPROVING A DEMOLITION OF THIS, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REPLACE, UH, THE HOUSE WITH THIS HOUSE ESSENTIALLY, UM, PERHAPS, UH, REVISING THE, UH, FRONT PORCH.

SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO JUST ESSENTIALLY USE THE DESIGN OF THE, OF THE EXISTING HOUSE AS THE DESIGN FOR THE NEW HOUSE.

UH, THOUGH OBVIOUSLY IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THIS ONE.

UM, THEN MAYBE USING MORE, UH, THE MODERN MATERIALS.

BUT THE DESIGN WOULD BE THE SAME WITH THE PORCH, THE DOOR, THE WINDOWS, UH, THE SLOPE OF THE ROOF, UM, UH, ALL OF THAT.

UM, NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT NOT INCLUDING THE, UH, ONE STORY ADDITIONS ON THE BACK.

UM, SO, UH, THESE WERE THE THINGS CONSIDERING RECONSTRUCTING A TWO STORY FRONT PORCH PERHAPS BECAUSE THE HISTORY OF THAT.

UM, UH, AND I SUPPOSE THEY'LL BE COMING TO US, UH, WITH THAT EITHER AT THE MEETING, UH, AT THE HEARING, UH, WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO SCHEDULE THAT, UH, OR NOT.

UH, AND THEN, UH, OTHERWISE RECONSTRUCT THE PORCH AS IS OR TO AN EARLY 1800 STYLE, WHICH WOULD BE A GUESS AS TO WHAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN AS A ONE, ONE STORY BEFORE IT BECAME A TWO STORY, UH, TALLER FOUNDATION WITH A CRAWL SPACE BRICK FACED PIERS, UM, INFILL TO BE DETERMINED.

SIX OVER SIX WINDOWS, UH, PERHAPS RETAINED, I DON'T KNOW IF I DISCUSSED THAT WITH YOU OR NOT.

UM, BUT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO RETAIN SOME OF THEM, RESTORE THEM AND USE THEM.

WE, WE ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE, WE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THERE'S A FEW OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS THAT ARE SALVAGEABLE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PULL OUT AND INCORPORATE INTO THE NEW STRUCTURE.

PERFECT.

EXCELLENT.

UM, SO NEW, UH, BUT THE REST OF THE WINDOWS BE NEW.

UM, AND THEN ALSO THEN SIX OVER SIX WINDOWS IN THE SAME OR CLOSE LOCATIONS AS THE EXISTING MODERN MATERIAL CEMENT, FIBER SIDING, AND A RAMP LOCATED TO THE REAR AND NOT THE FRONT.

UM, AND YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE DRIVEWAY AND WALKS, UM, INCLUDED.

UM, SO IN THE BACK WOULD BE LIKE THIS, BUT WITHOUT THE ONE STORY ADDITIONS, WOULD YOU PROBABLY STILL NEED TO HAVE THE TWO STORY ADDITION PART? LIKE, UH, ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE, THE, YOU KNOW HOW WE TALKED OR I TALKED ABOUT IT BEING A PSHA SECOND FLOOR, THAT'S WHERE THE BATHROOM IS.

WELL, CURRENTLY, YES.

WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, IS JUST EX EXTEND THE DEPTH OF THE HOUSE AND MAKE IT A, A STRAIGHT TWO STORY RECTANGLE BOX.

UH, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THE MULTIPLE LEVELS, UM, FOR CODE COMPLIANCE.

UH, UM, AND, UH, NO NEW CHIMNEYS.

UM, MAYBE, UH, YOU COULD DO A NEW REAR DECK OR PORCH AND, UH, THE HVAC UNIT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ON THE SIDE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOUR DRIVEWAY WOULD BE.

UH, AND SO YOU WOULD DO IT PROBABLY ON THE BACK, ON THE OTHER SIDE FOR THAT.

SO, UM, AND THIS SET SETBACK SIDELINES ARE VERY TIGHT ON THIS PROPERTY.

UH, SO IT CURRENTLY, SO RIGHT THERE AT 3.5 FEET.

UH, SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD NEED TO SHIFT THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT.

WE PLAYED WITH A COUPLE OF THE LAYOUTS.

UH, HERE'S ONE TO GIVE SOME OPTIONS BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT, UH, POSITIONING OF THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES.

WE'VE GOT SOME OPTIONS THAT WE COULD MAYBE BE, UH, A LITTLE MORE IN LINE WITH HOW YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO, LIKE, THAT ONE KIND OF SQUARED IT UP TO THE STREET A LITTLE BIT, DEPENDING ON IF YOU WANT THE STRUCTURE TO LINE UP WITH THE OTHER STRUCTURES OR WITH THE STREET, YOU KNOW, UH, WHICH WAY YOU ALL WANT TO GO.

WE'RE FLEXIBLE WITH WORKING WITH YOU, BUT THE SETTING IT BACK ON THE PROPERTY, UH, IS PROBABLY GONNA BE A REQUIREMENT TO BE ABLE TO GET THE FIVE FOOT WIDTH BECAUSE, UH, IT IS SO NARROW AT THE VERY FRONT.

SO I NOTICED, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE EXISTING SETBACK FOR THE EXISTING HOUSE, THE TOTAL SET, UH, COMES OUT TO 13.5 FEET WHERE IT'S AT THERE AT THE FRONT WALL.

SO YOU MIGHT HAVE A FOOT AND A HALF, UH, THAT YOU CAN SQUEEZE OUT OF THE HOUSE IN ORDER TO GET A DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, POP A PLACE THAT'S WIDE ENOUGH FOR THE A CAR TO GET PAST THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE.

UM, AND THEN DOWN HERE, UM, YOU HAVE 12 FEET.

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WE DID DRAW, DRAW, WE DID DRAW THAT WITH A 20 FOOT WIDE HOUSE, WHEREAS THE CURRENT HOUSE IS 19 FOOT WIDE.

THAT'S WHERE THE LOSS OF A FOOT COMES FROM.

SO, BECAUSE, UM, UH, ONCE YOU GET PAST THAT CORNER, THEN IT WIDENS UP IN THIS SCENARIO HERE, WIDENS UP, AND THEN IT BECOMES MORE PRACTICAL FOR A CAR TO EITHER STOPS TOWARDS THE BACK ACCESS THE STREET ON THE BACK.

WHY NOT JUST HAVE THE DRIVEWAY COME IN THE BACK, UM, OFF OF TRENT COURT.

THAT'S, THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY, BUT I THINK THERE'S A BIG GRID CHANGE THERE.

BUT THAT COULD, THAT MAY ALSO BE ANOTHER OPTION.

CURRENT DRIVEWAY STAYS IN THE FRONT YARD.

IT DOES NOT GO AROUND THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE.

BUT IT DOES BECAUSE YOU HAVE, BECAUSE BUT IT DOES ALLOW FOR OFF STREET PARKING YEAH.

MECHANICAL UNITS IN THE WAY.

AND DID YOU SAY YOU'RE MOVING THAT RAMP TO THE BACK SOMEWHERE AS WELL? IF YOU DO THIS? WELL, I SAID IT BECAUSE, DID YOU SAY THAT? YEAH, BECAUSE, UH, IT'S, UH, WE, WE TYPICALLY WOULD TRY TO MOVE THEM TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND LET IT WRAP THE BACK CORNER SO THE HOMEOWNER WOULD HAVE ACCESS GOING TOWARDS THE FRONT TO NOT BE IN THE FRONT.

SO, UM, BUT THAT WOULD'VE, THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE ELEVATION, FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION.

SO COULD YOU INVESTIGATE ACTUALLY HAVING THE DRIVEWAY COME IN OFF OF TRENT STREET? I CAN ASK ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, THERE IS A, THERE IS A, UH, BECAUSE THAT WILL BE MUCH STRUCTURE CURRENTLY BACK THERE THAT MIGHT IMPEDE THAT, BUT I CAN INVESTIGATE THAT NOW.

UH, TRENT STREET MIGHT ALSO BE A PRIVATE STREET, SO I'M NOT SURE, UM, IF THAT'S GONNA ACTUALLY BE FEASIBLE IN THE END.

'CAUSE WE HAVE, UM, TOO MUCH STUFF.

JUST TO MAKE ONE COMMENT TOWARDS ONE OF THE GUIDELINES THAT, UH, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UH, 6.2 0.4, UH, IN THE DEMOLITION, UH, GUIDELINES, UM, IN REFERENCE TO NOT, NOT TRYING TO CREATE INFIELD.

WE, WE HAVE NO DESIRE TO CREATE INFIELD.

WE, WE SEE AND VALUE, UH, THE STRUCTURE FOR THE HISTORY THAT IT WAS, UH, WE WOULD HATE TO SEE NEWBURN LOSE THIS STRUCTURE.

UH, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO BE A PART OF, UM, WRITING A NEW CHAPTER, UH, IN THE HISTORY OF THE, UH, PRENTICE HOUSE, UH, THAT FROM THE DAMAGES OF HURRICANES MATTHEW AND FLORENCE, UH, THAT IT WAS ABLE TO BE REBUILT, UH, FOR THE CURRENT HOMEOWNERS.

EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS A REBUILD NC HOUSE, UH, THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO US, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY OF BEING ABLE TO DO MODIFICATIONS, UH, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR HOUSE PLANS.

ANYTHING? NO.

UM, HOW MUCH COULD YOU HAVE FOR A MEETING IN TWO WEEKS ABOUT THE NEW STRUCTURE? WE NEED PRETTY GOOD DRAWINGS AND SO JUST FOREWARN YOU THERE, UNLESS IT'S A COMPLETE SET OF PRETTY MUCH READY TO GO DRAWINGS, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT THAT OFF.

WE COULD ADDRESS THE DEMOLITION.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL HEAR FROM SHIPPO.

UM, BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO GO AHEAD UNLESS WE APPROVE THE SECOND.

SO ANYWAY, I KNOW FOR A FACT THERE'S NO WAY THAT I CAN GET DRAWINGS PRODUCED IN, IN TWO WEEKS FOR YOU ALL.

UM, BUT I THINK THE CONCEPT IS AGREEABLE TO GENERALLY TO PEOPLE.

SO, AND A AS MENTIONED PRIOR, KNOWING THE FACT THAT IN THE HISTORY OF THE PRENTICE HOUSE, THERE'S TWO NOTES THAT WE HAVE FOUND THAT ADDRESS A TWO STORY FRONT PORCH.

WE ARE VERY AMENABLE TO TRY TO RECREATE THAT, UH, TO RESTORE THAT LOST HISTORY.

UH, BUT KNOWING THAT IT'S, IT HAS HAD THE ONE STORY ALL ALONG AND KNOWING THAT WE ARE WORKING ON LIMITED GRANT FUNDS, UH, TO DO IT, UM, WE CURRENTLY ARE NOT UNDER THE,

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UH, BUT WE JUST DID NOT FEEL IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO SUGGEST THOSE REBUILD NC HOUSE PLANS FOR A HOUSE LIKE THIS.

GOOD FOR YOU.

YOU KNOW, JUST TAKE THE GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS AND PUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL.

OUR, OUR GOAL, OUR MISSION IS TO HELP HOMEOWNERS GET BACK INTO SAFE, SANITARY, SECURE HOUSING.

IF WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION TO DO THAT AND HELP NEWBURN AND PRESERVE HISTORY, UM, WE WANT TO FIND A WAY TO DO ALL OF THAT AT THE SAME TIME.

BUT WE DO KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON LIMITED TIME AND LIMITED BUDGET.

SO, UM, WE WANT TO PRESENT THIS FOR AS MUCH GUIDANCE AS WE CAN.

WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING.

TRYING POWERS? THANK YOU.

SO, MATT, ARE WE READY FOR

[3.A. 613 Pollock St. (Tryon Palace) – remove chain link fencing, replace with new wrought-iron style fencing on a low, brick wall in the Primary AVC.]

SO THAT IS, UH, AND THIS IS A SIX 13 P*****K STREET, MY HOUSE.

UH, AND UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT, UM, THIS, UH, CANNOT, CANNOT GO ON THE AGENDA FOR APRIL 15TH.

UM, AND, UM, WHEN YOU SAY THIS, I'M SORRY, WHEN THE, THE, TO BE CLEAR, THIS CANNOT GO ON TO THE AGENDA FOR APRIL 15TH, BUT, UM, THEY STILL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME IDEAS TO, UH, THE, UH, POSSIBILITY OR LIMITS OF, OF THEIR PROPOSAL.

SO FAIR.

ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, AN AREA OF THE PALACE PROPERTY OUTLINED HERE IN WHITE.

IT'S ALONG EDEN STREET, AND THEN ALSO CONNECTS BACK OVER TO THE, UH, HOUSE, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE HOUSE THERE ON THE CORNER AT THE GATEWAY AT THE GATE, UH, TO THE PALACE.

SO THAT AREA THERE.

UH, AND THAT CURRENTLY HAS THIS, UH, CHAIN LINK FENCE AND SHRUBBERY, AND THEN ALSO ALONG HERE TO THE LEFT WHERE IT'S LAWN AND IT WILL BE, UH, THE NEW FENCE WILL BE CONNECTED TO THE SIDE OF THIS BUILDING, UH, THAT WE'LL SEE IN THE PLANS.

THAT FENCE CONTINUES DOWN TO THE, THE GATE ALONG EDEN STREET, ACROSS FROM THE PARKING GARAGE.

OR PARKING THERE, THERE ARE, THERE'S ONE OR TWO HOUSES ON THIS, ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET THOUGH.

UH, AND THERE IS A, UM, LIKE A PATHWAY ALONG THAT SIDE AND SOME LARGE TREES.

SO, UH, WITH ROOTS AND UH, UH, FLARED BASE TO THE TRUNK.

SO THAT'S, UH, NOTHING.

SO THE DRAWINGS NOW SHOW, UM, FIRST OF ALL WHOLE SITE, RIGHT.

AND NOW IT, UH, POINTS TO THIS AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT ATTACHES RIGHT TO THE, UH, FRONT LEFT CORNER OR THE, UM, UPPER LEFT CORNER IN THIS PLAN OF THAT LITTLE ADDITION, THE ONE STORY ADDITION ON THE HOUSE.

AND THEN COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GATE HERE AT EDEN STREET.

SO WE'LL SEE SOME MORE.

AND THIS IS ALSO SHOWING THE FLOOD PLAIN.

SO IT'S NOT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN AT ALL.

THE WHITE AREA DOWN HERE IS, UH, NOT THE WHITE IN THE MIDDLE, JUST THE WHITE.

OVER HERE ON THE LEFT, THE GRAY IS THE 500 YEAR FLIP PLANE, WHICH IS NOT REGULATED.

UH, SO HERE'S A, UM, LITTLE CLEARER PICTURE, BUT STILL, UH, QUITE SMALL.

UM, WE'LL SEE, UH, A BIGGER ONE IN A MINUTE.

IT GIVES YOU THE OVERALL IDEA AND THE CONTEXT.

A LITTLE BIT TO THE, UH, TO THE EAST? YEAH, SO, UM, NOT QUITE SURE EXACTLY, BUT WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE THAT MAY HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.

SO, UM, WE SHOULD, ON THE LEFT IS JUST A DEMOLITION, UH, AND A SCOPE OF WORK AREA.

SO ON THE RIGHT HERE IS THE, UH, MORE OF A BETTER RENDITION OF THE, UH, OF THE FENCING.

SO THEY WILL HAVE A SERIES OF BRICK PIERS.

THERE'S A GATE THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED AT THE END OF THIS SIDEWALK HERE, UH, FOR ACCESS TO THAT HOUSE THERE.

AND THEN THAT CONTINUES ALL THE WAY DOWN AS JUST A SOLID WALL UNTIL IT GETS TO THE, UM, DRIVEWAY GATE, UM, HERE.

AND THERE'LL BE ADDING A NEW, UM, PERSON SIZE GATE THERE.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN THE SAME LOCATION.

IS THAT TRUE? UH, CUTTING OR HAS IT MOVED

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WHO, WHO, WHO'S BEEN VERY PATIENT SITTING HERE.

OH, MY NAME'S CHRIS BACH, FACILITIES DIRECTOR OF TRIUM PALS.

WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? SO THE QUESTION IS, IS, IS THAT FENCE IN THE SAME LOCATION WHERE THE CHAIN LINK AND, AND EDGES YES, SIR.

OR IS IT FURTHER SO YOU CAN HAVE A, A BETTER WALKWAY? IT'S GONNA BE IN THE SAME LOCATION CHAIN LINK.

BECAUSE IT DOES ALIGN WITH THE REST OF THE FENCING ALONG THE STREET THERE AND THE FENCING, JUST LIKE THE CHAIN LINK DOES NOW TODAY.

AND THE VEGETATION WILL BE REMOVED AS WELL.

I THINK IT LOOKS JUST LIKE IT.

SO WE HAVE DETAIL HERE OF THE, UM, OF THE TWO SIDES OF THE, UM, PERSON GATES.

RIGHT? UH, THIS ONE'S AT THE, UH, AT THE DRIVEWAY GATE, RIGHT? YES.

THE ONE ON THE RIGHT.

UH, IT'S REPLACING CHAIN LINK GATES.

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? LET'S COUNT.

AND THEN WE HAVE SOME DETAILS HERE OF THE CONSTRUCTION.

WE CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY INSTALLING, UH, A, THIS, UH, PIECE OF WOOD ALONG THE SIDE OF THE, THIS IS A NEW PIER.

AND THIS IS THE OLD PIER ON THE LEFT, CORRECT? YES.

UH, AND SO THE NEW PIER WILL HAVE A, UH, CHUNK OF WOOD ON THE CHUNK, A PIECE OF WOOD ON THE SIDE OF IT TO, UM, ATTACH, UH, THE HARDWARE TO, UH, WHEREAS THE HINGES ARE ATTACHING INTO THE OLDER OR EXISTING, UH, PIER, RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO, UM, THAT'S A LITTLE TINY LITTLE PLAN, UH, SHOWING THE TWO GATES TOGETHER.

SO THIS IS THEIR, UH, SAMPLE, UH, FENCE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY OVER ON THE METCALF STREET SIDE.

SO IT CONSISTS OF A SHORT BRICK WALL, AND THEN THE, UM, IS IT ALUMINUM OR IS IT STEEL? WHAT IS THE THAT IS STEEL.

THAT WAS, UH, INSTALLED I BELIEVE IN 2011, RIGHT AFTER THE HISTORY CENTER WAS CONSTRUCTED.

SO SOME STEEL, UM, UH, FENCING.

AND SO THIS IS A DETAIL OF THAT, OF THAT WALL HERE.

THIS IS THE MATERIAL WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH MM-HMM .

AND YOU CAN SEE EVEN SOME OF THE DETAILS OF WHERE IT MEETS THE PIERS.

THE PIERS HAVE A THICKER BOTTOM WITH A TAPERED, UM, PIECE ON THE TOP OF THAT BASE.

THAT LOOKS GOOD.

UM, THAT'S SECTION LOOKS GOOD.

YOU ADD A QUESTION? NO, SAID IT LOOKS NO, I SAID THAT, THAT LOOKS GOOD.

THE, THE DETAIL.

UH, AND HERE'S A CLOSER UP VIEW.

SO YOU'RE ALSO PLANNING ON DOING THE SAME KIND OF PATTERN WITH THE, UH, THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THESE, UM, THE FANCY TOPS AND THE PLANE TOPS.

YES, SIR.

IS THAT A TECHNICAL TERM TOP, LIKE A SPHERE? THAT'S A TECHNICAL TERM, RIGHT? YEAH.

FANCY AND PLAIN.

, UH, THE CONNECTION TO THE BRICK WALL IS THIS, UM, PIECE, UH, UH, WE ALWAYS PREFER THAT THESE CONNECTIONS BE MADE INTO THE MORTAR IF POSSIBLE.

I KNOW YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE, UH, FLEXIBILITY TO ADJUST THAT, UH, BUT IF YOU CAN, THAT WOULD BE, IT MAKES IT FOR EASIER REPLACEMENT.

IF THE METAL FENCE IS DAMAGED OR SOMETHING GOES ON, WE CAN JUST DISCONNECT FROM THERE AND REPLACE THE ACTUAL METAL.

OH, YES.

BUT, UH, WE'RE, I'M TALKING ABOUT HOW THAT PIECE THAT STAYS IN THE, IN THE PIER, HOW IT'S CONNECTED TO THE PIER.

HOW IT'S EMBEDDED IN THE PIER.

UH, THAT'S OUR GENERAL RULE.

UH, AND, UH, SO NOW THIS IS AN ELEVATION, UH, ALONG EATON STREET OF THE ENTIRE THING.

WELL, PART OF IT, MOST OF IT, UH, TWO NOTATIONS, UH, ONE, OH, IT'S NOT ON HERE.

UH, THE PIERS IS SEVEN FOOT THREE AND A HALF PLUS EIGHT.

UM, OKAY.

AND THEN IT ENDS OVER HERE AT THE, SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE IN THIS ELEVATION THAT THE EXISTING PIERS THAT ON THE TWO SIDES OF THE EXISTING GATES, UH, IS QUITE A BIT TALLER THAN, UH, ANY OF THE REST OF THIS WALL, UH, THAT'S PROPOSED.

UH, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THE WALL OF THE, THE WALL CONNECTING TO THE BUILDING IS ALSO EVEN TALLER.

UM, IS THERE A POINT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE? YES.

THE NEXT THING IS THAT DOWN HERE IT SHOWS THAT THE ENTIRE HEIGHT OF THE,

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SO BASICALLY EIGHT FEET TO THE TOP OF THESE PIERS.

UH, AND THEN OF COURSE THE, UH, THE METAL, UH, FENCING IS BETWEEN THE TOP OF THE BRICK WALL, WHICH IS ABOUT THREE AND A THREE FOOT NINE INCHES, UH, TO THE TOP OF THE CAP OF THE BRICK WALL.

UM, AND THEN FROM THERE ON UP IS THE, THE METAL FENCING.

SO THAT'S QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN WE ALLOW IN THE, UH, PRIMARY, UH, A, B, C.

UH, AND SO WE WILL NEED TO CONSIDER, UH, WHETHER THIS WARRANTS AN EXCEPTION TO THE, TO THAT RULE, UM, AND HOW WE HANDLE THAT, UH, FORMALLY IN A HEARING.

DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT THAT MATCHES THE, THE ONES OVER ON METCALF? WELL, THEY WERE MATCHING THE BRICK AND THE ACTUAL METAL FENCE.

THE ONE ON METCALF DOES NOT HAVE ANY BRICK COLUMNS EVERY 16 FEET.

LIKE THIS NEW WALL IS.

BUT THE HEIGHT, THE HEIGHT OF THAT FENCE, IS IT SHORTER THAN THIS FENCE OR IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT SHOULD BE RELATIVELY THE SAME HEIGHT.

SO THIS, UH, SHOWS WHAT I SAY, THREE FOOT, SEVEN AND A HALF INCHES TO THE, FROM THE GROUND.

I'M ASSUMING THIS IS THE GROUND HERE AT THE BOTTOM AND NOT THE, IT'S NOT INSIDE THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, UM, FOUNDATION, UM, TO THE TOP CAP OF THE WALL.

IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? FOR THE PHOTOGRAPH WE SAW? YES.

THIS IS ABOUT THREE AND A HALF TO FOUR FEET.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

AND IF THE ROSE A BRICK, IF THE, IF THE LAND ON THE INSIDE OF THE FENCE IS HIGHER, WE MEASURE FROM THAT, CORRECT? YEAH.

IT'S FLAT ONE.

THERE IT IS.

BY THE WAY, IT'S GONNA BE WAY MORE THAN SIX FEET.

YES, IT'S FLAT.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S GOT THE CHAIN LINK WITH THE SAME SAME LAND ON BOTH SIDES.

WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE FENCE ON THIS? ON THE, UH, SOUTH SIDE OF THAT UM, BIG GATE.

NOW, UH, WHERE ARE WE AT NOW? UM, ON OVER ON EDEN STREET, ACROSS FROM THE PARKING LOT, THERE'S THE GATE WHERE YOU'RE STOPPING THIS WORK.

WHAT'S ON THE, WHAT'S ON THE OTHER, ON THE RIVER SIDE OF THAT? WELL, IT'S A BRICK BUILDING AND THEN IT GOES BACK INTO THE BRICK WALL AND THEN IT TURNS BACK INTO CHAIN LINK AND WRAPS AROUND TOWARDS THE HISTORY CENTER.

SO, SO RIGHT THERE YOU COULD, IT'S PART OF THE BRICK WALL OR OF THE BUILDING.

THAT'S WHERE IT TIES TO.

YES SIR.

I GUESS I CAN'T FIGURE THAT.

IS THERE ANY PLANS IN THE FUTURE TO UH, REMOVE THE OTHER CHAIN LINK FENCE? YES.

THIS IS GONNA BE, THIS WILL BE PHASE ONE.

WE ARE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO GET INSTALLED AND THEN THAT THIS ATTRACTION WILL HELP US HOPEFULLY GENERATE DONORS FOUNDATION.

YOU CAN GENERATE MONEY TO BUILD THE, THE NEXT HALF'S GONNA BE PRETTY EXPENSIVE AND IT'LL ACTUALLY TIE INTO THE ONE ON METCALF.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF MAINTAIN, MATCH THAT MATERIAL.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT WILL TERMINATE.

I NEED TO GO BY THAT.

SO IT WOULD EVENTUALLY BE ONE CONTINUOUS SAME MOTIF ALL THE WAY AROUND.

YES, SIR.

UH, TO NOTE THOUGH, THAT ON THE, THE ROUNDED END, THE BACK END, THAT'S ACTUALLY A, A, UM, RETAINING WALL.

A RETAINING WALL.

AND ALSO IT'S LIKE CUT UP STREETS AND DRIVEWAYS AND STUFF.

THEY JUST PILED ON TOP.

YOU'RE SAYING BULKHEAD? BULKHEAD.

BUT IT'S, AND IT'S ALSO A, A STORM WALL.

WHAT DO, UH, WATER, WHAT FLOOD WALL? LIKE WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? UM, A WALL THAT PROTECTING AGAINST STORM WAVES.

BULKHEAD.

BULKHEAD WALL.

I GUESS I MEAN IT, I GUESS IT'S NOT, BUT IT DOES FLOOD THERE A LOT.

SO I GUESS YOU COULD CONSIDER A BULKHEAD.

YEAH, IT'S REALLY A, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BULKHEAD, A FLOOD WALL WOULD BE A BETTER WORD.

MOST PEOPLE WOULD.

SO, SO WITH THE FENCE, THE FENCE IS ON TOP OF THAT WALL, IS IT NOT? YEAH, IT'S STEPPED BACK JUST A HAIR, BUT PRETTY MUCH ON TOP.

AND THE, ON THE NIP ON THE BIG WALL, THEY WILL BE REPLACING THE RETAINING WALL.

OH, THEY GET RID OF THE RUBBLE THAT YEAH, THAT'S THE PLAN.

HOW LONG THAT IS DOWN THE ROAD? I DIDN'T HAVE NO IDEA.

I THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE IT 'CAUSE IT'S SPECIAL USE IN A SPECIAL, IT'S A GOVERNMENT BUILDING AND IT'S ALSO FOR PROTECTION OF THE BUILDING.

UM, AND, AND IT DOESN'T HURT THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY.

IN FACT, IT'S BEAUTIFYING THE, UH, LOOK TOO AND IT, YEAH.

VOTE TONIGHT, RIGHT? ? I KNOW.

IT'S SECURING THE PROPERTY.

'CAUSE IT'S SPECIAL EMISSIONS TO GET IN AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T

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I'M JUST SAYING.

SO THEY'RE MOVING ALONG.

THEY NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

THEY DON'T NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

SO TWO OTHER, TWO OTHER BITS HERE.

UM, SOME OF THE COLUMNS HAVE THESE, UH, YEAH, I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE LIGHTING LIGHTS ATTACHED TO THE TOP AND SOME DON'T.

THEY'LL BE ABOUT EVERY THREE COLLARS WILL HAVE A LIGHT.

EVERY THIRD ONE.

THEY THOUGHT ABOUT DOING EVERY ONE.

BUT THAT'S TOO BRIGHT.

AND IF I KNOW Y'ALL DRIVE BY THERE AT NIGHT, THAT PLACE IS EXTREMELY DARK OF THE GARDEN.

NOW WOULD THE WIRING BE THEN EMBEDDED IN THE WALL? YES, SIR.

HAVE A CONDUIT.

CONDUIT WOULD BE RUNNING THROUGH THE WALL, CORRECT? RIGHT THERE.

JUST LIKE THAT THERE.

SO, UM, THERE WAS ONE OTHER BIT.

UH, THERE IS, AND THAT LIGHT FIXTURE IS KIND OF A, THEY TRIED TO MATCH, THEY'RE TRYING TO MATCH THE LIGHT POSTS THAT ARE GOING AROUND NEW BERN.

THE STREET LIGHTS AS CLOSE AS THEY CAN.

ALL COOL.

AND MAYBE IF WE GET THE HEIGHT OF THE TWO COLUMNS THAT ARE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BIG GATE ON NET CAL.

JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE STEPPING DOWN FROM THAT, WE THAT WALL.

OH.

UM, THERE ARE ALSO SOME LIGHTS EMBEDDED IN THE WALL THAT ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, STAIRWAY PLANT LIGHTS.

SO THIS IS THE ELECTRICAL PLAN, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW THERE.

UM, WHERE ARE THEY? AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO, THERE'S SOME DOWN LIGHTING AND THAT WAS OPTIONAL DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COST IS GONNA COME BACK BECAUSE WE ARE ALSO WORKING OFF OF RUNNING ON THE FENCE OR ON THE FENCE.

ON THE FENCE GOING DOWN TOWARDS WHERE THE SIDEWALK SHOULD BE.

WHERE IT'S JUST A IDEA.

IT'S JUST A DIRT PATH.

SO I WAS HOPING WE COULD GET A SIDEWALK IN THERE.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A DIRT PATH.

BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF, WITH A TON OF ROOTS AND SO OH YEAH.

THE LIGHTS WOULD DEFINITELY AT LEAST STROLLERS HELP MITIGATE THAT.

STROLLERS ARE TOUGH.

WE PUT SO OLD, I REMEMBER WHEN THEY CONSCIOUSLY TOOK THE SIDEWALK OUT, SO THEY WERE MORE HISTORIC.

BUT THAT'S HOW OLD I AM.

IT'S BEEN ABOUT 35 YEARS, SO I DON'T, HIS BRAIN ARE TERRIBLE.

SO THIS IS THE, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

UM, THE UH, LITTLE LIGHTS THAT ARE EMBEDDED IN THE, UM, IN THE WALL ARE EQUALLY SPACED BETWEEN THE OVERHEAD, THE UPPER LIGHTS.

UH, AND SO EVERY THIRD, UM, SECTION OF THE BRICK WALL, UM, HAVE THIS, HAVE ONE OF THESE IN THERE.

AND THEY'RE THE TYPE THAT, UM, UH, I LOOKED THEM UP.

I THINK THEY DON'T HAVE AN IMAGE HERE.

IF WE COULD HAVE AN IMAGE OF WHAT THEY'RE, UH, PROPOSING, THAT WOULD HELP.

UH, BUT I LOOKED THEM UP AND THEY'RE LIKE THE KINDS THAT YOU WOULD EMBED IN YOUR, IN YOUR STAIRWAY ON THE SIDES OF YOUR STAIRS OR SOMETHING TO SHINE ACROSS THE STAIRWAY.

AND SINCE YOU HAVE THE WIRING ALREADY GOING THROUGH WOULD BE A YEAH.

AND IT'S, YES, EXACTLY.

AND, AND IT'S ACTUALLY RECESSED IN, SO IT ISN'T, IT DOESN'T STICK OUT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S JUST A BLACK, MOST OF THEM LOOK LIKE THERE WERE A BLACK METAL BOX OR METAL FRAME WITH UH, UH, A, A CUTOUT IN THE MIDDLE THAT HAD THE LIGHT SET INSIDE IT AND THEN IT SHINES DOWN ON THE, ON THE WALK.

ARE WE, WE LET THE APPLICANT BRING US A CUT SHEET INSTEAD OF YOUR HYPOTHESIZING.

YEAH, BUT BUT YOU'RE NOT SURE.

YOU'RE NOT SURE THAT'S IN THERE.

IT'S AN, IT'S AN OPTION.

ARE WE THINKING THAT THE DOWN LIGHTING'S A PROBLEM? NO.

BUT WE NEED TO SEE WHAT IT IS TO APPROVE IT.

WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA DO IT OR NOT.

I I THINK IF THERE'S ANY, PUT IT IN, IT'S EASIER TO TAKE IT OUT AND PUT IT BACK IN.

I MEAN, AS FAR AS APPROVALS OR FOR THAT MATTER, JUST IGNORE IT IF ONCE IT'S APPROVED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD IT.

YEAH, I GUESS THAT WAS MY POINT.

SO JUST LEAVE IT IN LIKE WE'RE GONNA DO IT.

AND IF YOU DON'T DO IT, YOU DON'T DO IT.

TEN FOUR.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD.

SO OTHER THAN THE STUFF Y'ALL LISTED OUT THERE, I NEED TO GET Y'ALL THAT INFORMATION AND MOVE FORWARD THIS BE A MINOR.

YOU APPROVE THE I? NO, SO YEAH, NO.

WELL I CAN'T, I CAN'T APPROVE IT 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE STANDARDS.

AH.

SO IF IT WAS, THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

SO WORST CASE SCENARIO IS WE'LL SEE YOU THEN SAY ON, UH, THE FIRST DESIGN REVIEW MEETING IN MAY.

MAY 5TH OR SOMETHING.

MAY 6TH I THINK IT IS.

THE 20TH IS THE OTHER MEETING.

AND THEN MAY 20TH IS THE, WOULD BE THE APPROVAL.

COOL.

SO THAT WAY WE KIND OF RUN IT PAST US ON THE SIXTH.

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BUT, BUT YOU'LL BE FIRST.

THAT I EARNED THAT FIRST FIVE.

YEAH, RIGHT.

YOU'VE DONE YOUR PENANCE.

OH, IT WASN'T THAT BAD.

I'VE NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF THESE, SO IT WAS GOOD TO SIT HERE AND SOAK IT IN, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, HOW Y'ALL OPERATE.

THANKS FOR SAYING THAT.

I KNOW IT'S NOT TRUE, BUT THANKS FOR NO, I'M SERIOUS.

, I'M NOT OBJECT, BUT HE THINKS I AM.

NO, RIGHT.

HE THINKS YOU ARE.

OH, YOU THINK I AM? NO, Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

THANKS CHRIS.

GIVEN

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THE HOUR.

I HAD ASKED YOU TO CONSIDER SOME THINGS, BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY NOT NINE O'CLOCK.

WELL, HE WANTS TO, BUT I, I HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE IS EITHER ON THE SEVENTH OR THE 14TH AT TWO 30 WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT CHOSE TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.

AND ALSO I'D LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING TIM SUGGESTED IS JUST LOOK AT THE WHOLE PROCESS THERE.

ARE THERE THINGS WE CAN SHORTEN? ARE THERE THINGS WE COULD SPEED UP HERE? BUT THE TOPICS THAT WE HAD WERE, UM, INTENSE VINYL FENCES OR HIS SUB SUBSTITUTE MATERIAL, FENCES, VINYL WINDOWS.

A QUESTION ABOUT CHANGES ON THE BACK OF A BUILDING THAT MIGHT BE SOLVING A PROBLEM.

LET'S SAY A COMPOSITE DOOR THAT SOLVED AN ISSUE ON THE BACK OF A STRUCTURE.

UH, AND THEN ALSO OUR METAL ROOFS.

SHOULD WE CONSIDER OTHER TYPES OF METAL ROOFS? UH, SO THE SAME ONES THAT I HAD PLUS ADD, CAN WE SPEED UP THE PROCESS SOMEHOW? I HAVE SENT BACK TO YOU.

I HAD MY, MY, I I HAD ANSWERED YOU AND IT DID GET MAILED BACK TO YOU, SO, OKAY.

BUT ANYTHING, STILL HAVE IT.

IF YOU CAN'T COME, YOU CAN SUBMIT DATES.

I'M SORRY, WHAT? SEVEN OR 14TH, SEVENTH OR 14TH.

WHICH DAY WORK MIGHT WORK BETTER FOR YOU? SEVENTH DOESN'T WORK FOR ME.

I'M NOT IN TOWN.

YOU'RE NOT GOING HAVE ABOUT THE 14, THE PEOPLE THAT LEFT ME THEN .

THAT'S THE TIME WHEN THE CAT'S AWAY.

, UH, THE 14 THEN.

DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? SEVENTH WOULD WORK BETTER.

YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING EVEN IF MATT'S NOT THERE.

TRY TO DO ABOUT IT BEFORE.

YEAH, WELL WE CAN DO THE SEVENTH IF IT'S BETTER FOR PEOPLE.

I THINK I, I THINK SOONER OR BETTER.

LET'S DO THE SEVENTH.

DO WE NEED MEET HERE? NO, IT WOULD BE AT ONE.

IT WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN AT THE, AT 2 30, 30.

I CAN'T YOUR OFFICE THEN.

SO SEVENTH OR TWO 30.

I CAN'T MAKE THAT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, UH, I WILL TELL YOU ON VINYL FENCING, BOTH TIM AND I HAVE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF OTHER CITIES AND WE'RE NOT FINDING MANY IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

WELL, BUT

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BUT IN FACT, EVEN DETROIT HAD IT IN AT ONE TIME AND REMOVED IT.

SO THEY'RE EVEN ONES THAT HAVE THE WOOD LOOK TO IT.

IS THAT, IS THAT, THAT, WOULD THAT CONSIDER IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SO HARD TO START DEFINING THE LOOK.

AND THEN LITERALLY WHEN I FIRST JOINED THIS YEARS AGO, I REMEMBER PEOPLE WOULD BRING IN THEIR WINDOWS, THE ENTIRE WINDOWS.

THEY LOOK IT UPSTAIRS AND BRING IT UP HERE.

I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GET INTO THAT, BUT A CUT SHEET IS NO WAY THAT WE CAN REALLY SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE.

SOME OF 'EM, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE A GOOD APPEARANCE.

OTHERS DO NOT.

BUT JUST IF YOU'LL, IF YOU'LL JUST GOOGLE FENCES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS, I MEAN, YOU'LL GET A LOT OF THINGS.

AND I ONLY RAN INTO MAYBE ONE OR TWO THAT SAID THEY ALLOWED VINYL FENCES, BUT ONLY IN THE BACK WHERE IT'S COVERED UP BY BUSHES SO THAT NEIGHBOR CAN'T SOMETHING.

AND THAT'S THE BIG ISSUE IS THE FENCE ALWAYS HAS TWO SIDES.

THERE'S A NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE.

WELL, WHY DON'T, THAT'S A STEP TWO SIDE.

BUT I MEAN, THE NEIGHBOR MAY OBJECT MORE SO THAN RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND FOR VINYL AND DAVID, SAME THING.

DO, DO, DO THE RESEARCH ON, ITS UM, I WENT THROUGH, UH, THE GUIDELINES FOR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT AND VINYL WINDOWS ARE NOT, ARE NOT AN ALLOWABLE REPLACEMENT ONE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

CORRECT, CORRECT.

AND THAT'S EVEN IN THE BACK.

THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHEN DOES IT BECOME AN ADDITION AND WHEN DOES IT BECOME A REPLACEMENT? NO, AN ADDITION IS, IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, THE ACTUAL CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

BUT SUPPOSE YOU HAVE A SMALL ROOF OVER TOP OF THE DOOR.

YEAH, WE GET, ARE WE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT ON THE SEVENTH THERE? WE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT TO SEVENTH.

THE SEVENTH, OKAY.

AND THEN

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WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.