May 06, 2026 Historic Preservation Commission Design Review

WHICH WAS 5 0 9 QUEEN STREET? CORRECT.

ANYTHING ELSE? MEMBERS? NO.

START WITH 2 21 CRAVEN STREET, WHICH IS MINOR WORK, ROOFTOP GARDEN, AND DECKING EXCEPTION.

WITH THAT, WE'LL

[2.A. 221 Craven St. – Minor work rooftop garden – decking exception ]

THAT'S FINE.

SO, UM, WE, UH, DO HAVE THE APPLICATION IN HAND HERE.

OOPS.

AND IT IS GIGANTIC .

UM, SO LET'S SEE.

MOVE, MAKE IT SMALLER SO THAT THIS APPLICATION HERE, UH, FOR, UH, JOSEPH AND ELENA SMITH.

AND TESSA O'REGAN IS THE, UH, APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, AND SHE IS HERE TONIGHT.

UM, AND PRIMARILY THIS, UH, APPLICATION IS ENTIRELY MINOR WORK.

UM, EXCEPT FOR, UH, THEY ARE REQUESTING AN EXCEPTION FOR THE MATERIAL, UH, FOR THE ACTUAL DECK ITSELF, UM, TO NOT BE A MATERIAL THAT WAS AVAILABLE AT THE TIME THAT THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED.

SO, UM, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SO NOW WHO WOULD, WHO IS PRESENTING FOR THAT? SO TESSA, I JUST HAVE THE PHOTOS HERE OF THE EXISTING CONDITION.

ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD.

HEY, MATT, BEFORE WE START, BEFORE TESSA OR SO, IS, IS ROOFTOP, IS THAT CONSIDERED TERTIARY? IS THAT A TERTIARY A VC? GENERALLY, YES.

I DIDN'T, I LOOKED, I DIDN'T SEE IT ANYWHERE IN OUR, BUT IT, IT'S NOT REALLY CLEAR.

AND SO IT'S ALWAYS, I GUESS I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE INTERPRETED.

THAT'S, EXCEPT FOR, UM, ROOFTOPS THAT KIND OF FACE THE STREET.

SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THE SLOPING ROOF THAT'S ACTUALLY FACING THE STREET, THAT'S A VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT.

TIM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, ANYTHING TO ADD TO? NO, I, LOOKING AT THE PICTURE, I WOULD SAY THIS IS TERTIARY.

YEAH, RIGHT.

AND IN, IN OUR NEW, IN OUR NEW DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, WE MAY WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

SO IF WHOEVER'S PRE PRESENTING, PLEASE JUST COME UP HERE BECAUSE WE ALSO NOW DO RECORD THESE MEETINGS AND EVERYTHING IS TRANSMITTED AND YOU'RE ON CAMERA SO THE PUBLIC CAN VIEW THEM.

SO IF YOU JUST WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, THEY SHOULD PROBABLY INTRODUCE, INTRODUCE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF FIRST.

SURE.

I'M TESSA REAGAN, AND, UM, I'M THE DESIGNER AND ALEXIS IS THE CARD IS THE CONTRACTOR.

UM, AND WE HAVE BEEN, UM, ENGAGED BY ALINA AND JOSEPH SMITH.

THEY'RE A LOVELY COUPLE AND THEY MOVED IN, I THINK LAST JUNE.

UM, UM, THE ROOF, I'M GONNA, UH, DEFER TO ALEXIS.

THERE'VE BEEN LEAKS AND ISSUES WITH THE, THE ROOF, SO THEY HAD TO REPAIR THAT BEFORE THEY DID ANYTHING.

ANYWAY, UM, THE ROOFTOP HAS AN EAST WEST EXPOSURE AND GETS A TON OF AFTERNOON SUN.

IT'S EXTRAORDINARY HOT IN THE SUMMER.

SO, UM, THE MAIN DESIGN ELEMENTS HAVE BEEN TO INCORPORATE MORE SHADE INTO THE SPACE.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT A PAVILION AND WE ARE LOOKING AT A PERGOLA.

AND THEN THEY ALSO REQUESTED AN AREA

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FOR A FIRE PIT.

SO THOSE ARE THE THREE SORT OF SPACES ON THE ROOFTOP.

UM, I'M GONNA DEFER TO ALEXIS.

ALL OF THAT WAS THERE BEFORE.

UH, AND THEY DID HAVE A COMPOSITE DECK IN THERE, BUT ALL OF THAT CAME OFF NATURALLY.

PUT THE ROOF ON IT.

SO WE'VE GOT SEAN ON BOARD FOR THIS TOO.

UH, WE'D LIKE TO GO BACK, WE DID THE MATH AND THE AZAC IS LIKE 3.2 PER POUND, AND THE EPAY IS LIKE 5.26 PER POUND.

SO IT'S LIKE OVER A TON OF JUST DEAD LOAD THERE, PLUS ALL THE PEOPLE UP THERE.

SO TO DO THIS, IT MAKES SENSE TO GO BACK WITH THE COMPOSITE AND YOU'RE REALLY NOT GONNA SEE THAT.

SO, UM, OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GUIDELINES? NO, BECAUSE YOU, I KNOW YOU'RE BOTH FAMILIAR WITH FROM WORKING.

MATT, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS THEN? UM, JUST SO PRIMARILY, UH, THE, THE, UH, DIFFERENCE IN THE WEIGHT OF THE MATERIAL, UM, WOULD BE POTENTIALLY A DETERMINING FACTOR.

YOU MIGHT ASK THEM IF THE ENGINEER SAYS THAT THERE'LL HAVE TO BE A CHANGE IN SOME STRUCTURAL, UH, ELEMENTS, UH, IF IT WERE TO BE CONSTRUCTED OUT OF WOOD.

UM, UH, AND UH, THE OTHER THING WAS THAT WHILE, UH, NOBODY CAN SEE THIS FROM THE GROUND NECESSARILY, THEY MIGHT SEE THE EDGES IF THERE ARE, UM, UH, SAY BENCHES AND SUCH ALONG THE PERIMETER CONSTRUCTED OUT OF THIS MATERIAL THAT MAY BE VISIBLE.

AND THEN SECONDLY IS, UM, WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT'S, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF THE DECK, UH, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE NEIGHBOR WANTED TO CONSTRUCT, ALSO CONSTRUCT THE DECK OUT OF, UM, PLASTIC MATERIAL COMPOSITE MATERIAL.

UH, ALSO, SO, UM, UH, THIS, UH, YOUR DECISION, UH, MAY BE A PRECEDENT THEN FOR OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL, WHICH MAY NOT BE A PROBLEM IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ABOUT WHAT YOU SAW IN, IN THE, UH, PROPOSAL? WHAT WAS THAT, THAT WEIGHT DIFFERENCE? UH, 3.2 VERSUS 5.26 OR TWO FOURS WITHIN THAT.

AND YOU WON'T SEE THE, 'CAUSE THE DECK DOESN'T GO ALL THE BACK TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE EDGE OF THE ROOF.

IT'S SET BACK ABOUT 16 FEET.

SO YOU WON'T SEE ANY OF THAT.

AND THERE, IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, ACCESSORIES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED? EVERYTHING ELSE IS GONNA BE REAL WOOD.

SO IT'S REALLY JUST THE DECK MATERIAL THAT IT WON'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.

EXACTLY.

WHAT YOU SEE IS GONNA BE HISTORIC.

IT'S, AND YOU SAID IT'S ABOUT 2000 POUNDS DIFFERENCE ON, ON THE ROOF, CORRECT? YEAH, IT'S ABOUT, YEAH, ONE, YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S A BIT OVER A TON.

UM, YEAH.

OF, OF THE DIFFERENTIAL JUST IN THE, JUST IN THE FINISH, JUST IN THE DECK FOR THE SIGNIFICANT, LOOKING THROUGH THE GUIDELINES, SOME THINGS THAT I FOUND.

NOW, THIS IS A 14 FOOT STRUCTURE.

YOU'RE, UM, GAZEBO, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, 14 FEET.

SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S AT LEAST SIX FEET BACK OR FROM THE, CAN YOU FROM FRONT OF THE BUILDING, IS THAT RIGHT? YES, IT'S COMPLETELY HIDDEN BECAUSE THIS, THAT FIRST PHOTOGRAPH THAT YOU SEE IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THAT'S FACING CRAVEN STREET.

THIS IS THE BACK, THOSE WINDOWS IN THE DOOR ARE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING THAT FACES CRAVEN STREET.

SO IT'S COMPLETELY HIDDEN.

SO IT'S NOT UNLIKELY TO BE SEEN AT ALL BECAUSE AT THAT POINTED OUT THE, AND IT'S SEVERAL COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES TOO.

SO THERE IS A REFERENCE TO DECKS IN PAGE 2.2 DASH TWO TALKING ABOUT THE NARROW STITCH, WHICH IS THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, AND SAYING THAT BUILDING MIS MIS MASSING AND ROOFS TYPICALLY CONSIST OF SIMPLE FORMS IN SIDE YARD FACADES ARE LARGELY BOARD OF FENESTRATION EXCEPT FOR THE OCCASIONAL BALCONY.

BUT THEN IT ALSO DOES SAY IT OFTEN LEADS TO DOUBLE PORCH AND ROOFTOP DECKS THAT CREATE PRIVATE OUTDOOR SPACES AND CAPTURE VIEWS.

SO OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS ANTICIPATION IN HERE AND RECOGNITION THAT WE DO HAVE THEM.

AND IT TALKS ABOUT INCORPORATING MATERIALS AND DETAILS PR DERIVED FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

ARCHITECTURAL EMBELLISHMENTS IN DETAILING ARE OFTEN SIMPLIFIED OR LESS IN LESS VISIBLE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ELEVATIONS.

SO THE QUESTION THERE IS, IS THERE AN ARGUMENT FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIAL DECKING? WELL, IS THIS, IS THIS REALLY A, A DECK OR IS IT JUST A SURFACE OVER THE ROOF? WELL, THERE WAS A, IT IS A, A DECK, THERE'S A SPACE BETWEEN

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THE ACTUAL DECK.

AND I, I'VE BEEN UP HERE BEFORE, UH, THERE WAS LIKE, LIKE A LITTLE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA HERE AT ONE TIME, RIGHT? YEAH.

THEY, YEAH, IT'S BEEN YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN OUT THERE.

MINE WAS UP THERE.

IT WAS A HANGOUT PLACE.

WITH, WITH COMPOSITE.

I, I MEAN, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS.

I JUST WENT OUT ON THE, ON THE OUTDOOR.

DO YOU HAVE THE DRAWINGS OF WHAT THE GAZEBO YES.

GA NOT RELEVANT.

WOULDN'T BE RELEVANT.

WHAT WAS, WHAT USED TO BE IS THAT WAS THE QUESTION? NO, NO.

WHAT THE NEW GAZEBO WILL BE LIKE.

I MEAN, YES, WE HAVE IT HERE IF YOU WANT, BUT WE'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FLOORING.

THE REST IS ALL MINOR WORK.

YOU KNOW, IF, IF, UH, IF IT ENDS UP, UH, BECOMING A, UH, AN EXCEPTION, UM, THEN IT BECOMES A MAJOR WORK.

AND SO I GUESS THEN AT THAT POINT YOU'RE DECIDING THE WHOLE THING, BUT WE CAN'T VOTE TONIGHT.

YOU UNDERSTAND? RIGHT.

BUT YOU CAN'T DECIDE.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRING IT TO A MEETING AND, AND CONSIDER IT AS AN EXCEPTION? I, I WOULD MM-HMM .

ANY OBJECTION.

OBJECTION.

SO WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS.

ONE IS SIX 13 P*****K STREET, WHICH PINE TRIUNE PALACE.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

[2.C. 613 Pollock St. (Tryon Palace) – Replacement wall and fencing along the northern end of Eden St. in the Primary AVC. ]

EXCUSE ME.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH, HERE AGAIN, WE HAVE THE APPLICATION, UM, FOR SIX 13, PAUL, SORRY TO REPEAT.

UM, AND THIS IS FOR, UH, TRIUM PALACE, BUT WE HAVE, UH, CHRIS BACH HERE TO REPRESENT, UH, THE TRIUM PALACE.

AND, UH, HE HAS BEEN NAMED ON THEIR, UM, AUTHOR, UH, OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION FORM HERE, GEORGE HEMINGWAY AND CHRIS BACH.

HE COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT.

HEMINGWAY, I FELT LIKE WE WERE SUPPOSED, YOU KNOW, SUPPOSED TO WEAR SPECIAL, UM, COSTUMES TONIGHT FOR HEMINGWAY AND BACH, BUT , I DO NOT PLAY THE PIANO.

UH, SO ANYWAY, UM, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE APPLICATION TWICE ALREADY.

UM, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME EXCEPT THEY'VE NOW, UH, INCLUDED MUCH MORE DETAIL IN THE, UH, IN THE DRAWINGS, UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOW A BID SET BY NOW.

UM, AND, UM, UH, SO THE FEW THINGS THAT YOU ASKED FOR, UH, WERE THE, UH, SIZES, THE HEIGHTS OF THE NEARBY WALLS.

UM, I THINK GREGORY ASKED FOR THAT ONE.

UH, AND UH, I ALSO CHECKED TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER CHANGES.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE ONLY OTHER THINGS THAT CHANGED WERE, UM, UH, THEY DID, OH, THEY ALSO DID PROVIDE A COUPLE OF, UH, SAMPLES, PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE OTHER LIGHTING THAT WOULD BE, UH, ON SITE.

UM, AND, UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT THEY, THAT I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT.

UM, BECAUSE, UH, LET'S SEE, THEY ENDED UP ADDING, UH, THESE SKETCHES HERE, THESE DETAILS FOR THE ELECTRICAL WORK.

UH, AND UM, THE LIGHTS FOR THE, UH, WASHING, UH, FOR WASHING UP ON THE, UH, THE WALLS.

THAT WAS THE, THIS ONE HERE.

OH, RIGHT.

THESE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE, UH, EMBEDDED IN THE WALLS, UH, FOR PEDESTRIAN, UH, UH, LIGHTING.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS THE NEXT PAGE, UH, THE LIGHTING FOR THE, UM, WASHING ONTO THE, THE BUILDINGS IN ADDITION TO THE, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE FENCING.

SO, UH, NORMALLY THAT WOULD ALSO BE A MINOR, BUT SINCE THIS IS NOW A MAJOR, UM, WE MIGHT AS WELL APPROVE BOTH.

UM, SO ANYTHING YOU THINK YOU'VE CHANGED THAT MIGHT DIDN'T COVER, OR, UH, NO, I THINK HE'S GOT EVERYTHING COVERED.

I DO HAVE A, EVERYTHING IS ALL EXISTING HEIGHTS OF FENCES WE HAVE AROUND, IF I CAN HAND THESE OUT TO Y'ALL.

OH YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT.

AND DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION ON ANY OF THE GUIDELINES ABOUT FENCING OR NOT CURRENTLY? NO, SIR.

SO YOU, YOU ARE GONNA GO WITH THE LIGHTING THE WHOLE WAY AROUND.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE, THE EMBEDDED ONES, SIR, THE WASH ONES THAT YOU, THAT ARE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE IN THE GROUND IN

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THE GRASS.

SO IN THE GROUND.

AND WE ALREADY HAVE LIGHTING THERE.

IT'S JUST A BIG FLOODLIGHT.

AND IT DOESN'T EVENLY COVER AND CAST A LOT OF SHADOWS AMONGST THE BUILDINGS.

AND THIS WILL JUST GET EVEN LIGHTING AROUND THE WHOLE, ALL THE BUILDINGS.

BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE INSTALLED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT? YES, SIR.

DEPENDING ON WHAT THE BID COSTS COME IN AT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WALLS NUMBER ONE, AND THEN LIGHTING IS, BUT THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, THE PERIMETER, THE, THE, THE PROJECT OUTLINE IS STILL THE SAME.

YOU HAVEN'T INCREASED THE AREA.

FROM DAVE HOUSE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO EDEN STREET, TO THE VEHICLE ENTRY THERE NEAR THE, UH, GIFT SHOP.

ALRIGHT.

THEN IN THIS LITTLE PACKET, THE LAST PAGE INCLUDES A, A NEW LIGHT THAT I DON'T THINK WAS IN BEFORE.

YEAH, IT WASN'T, BUT UM, THEN THAT EXPLAINS WHERE IT'S LOCATED AND RIGHT.

UM, THE LITTLE BLUE CIRCLE THERE.

IT'LL BE LIKE, YOU CAN SEE IN THE UPPER DIAGRAM, THE RECTANGLE WHERE IT SAYS TYPE L FOUR FIXTURE FIELD, VERIFY EXACT LOCATION AND AIMING.

SO THOSE ARE GOING INSIDE THOSE LITTLE LIKE, UH, GUARD YES.

GUARD THINGS THAT THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE GOOD DETAIL.

'CAUSE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING OUT, YOU'LL JUST SEE THE, THE LIGHT FROM WHERE THEY HAVE IT ACTUALLY AIM THE RIFLES OUT AND STUFF.

WOULD IT BE ATTACHED TO THE SURFACE THERE? IT WILL BE.

UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A GUIDELINE ON PAGE, THERE'S TWO TWO DASH SIX OF REFERENCE ON PAGE SIX.

FENCES AND WALLS ARE CONNECTED.

ARCHITECTURALLY RELATE TO A PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, REPETITION OF FENCES AND WALLS, PROVIDES DEFINITION AND CONTINUITY OF THE STREETSCAPE.

AND I STREETSCAPE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE, IS PROVIDING CONTINUITY OF THE ENTIRE.

YES, SIR.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER OVER THERE.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A CHAIN LINK FENCE AND UM, AND ACTUALLY PART OF IT HAS, SO YOU'RE REPLICATING WHAT WENT WITH THE STRUCTURE ORIGINALLY.

AND WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE REMOVAL OF CHAIN LINK FENCES.

MATT, WE ARE READY FOR 400 EAST FRONT.

IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME, I THINK.

LOOKS REALLY GOOD.

ANY QUESTIONS? OTHER? I THINK IT NEEDS THE, THE STANDARDS VERY WELL.

SO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS.

IS THAT GOOD? THUMBS UP? YEAH, SO FAR.

WELL I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME.

YEAH, THANKS VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU TOO.

OKAY,

[2.D. 400 E. Front St. – New restroom accessory structure and parking lot ]

NO PARKING ON THE CIRCLE.

SO OUR THIRD AND FINAL ONE FOR TODAY, 400 EAST FRONT STREET.

THIS ONE YOU HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE.

UH, SO THIS IS THEIR FIRST TIME, HOPEFULLY FINAL TIME TO UH, UH, GO THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW.

UH, IT'S AN APPLICATION BY THE CITY AND, UH, THE, UH, UH, APPLICANT IS CARRIE WARREN.

SHE IS HERE AS WELL AS GEORGE CHILES, UH, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PARKING AREA.

UH, BUT, UH, UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING A PARKING LOT AREA IN FOR THE, UH, NEW PIER FISHING PIER THAT'S BEEN INSTALLED DOWN AT THE END OF BROAD STREET.

AND THEN, UH, ALSO A, UM, THREE-SIDED OPEN, UH, PAVILION ACCESSORY BUILDING, UH, IN ORDER TO, UH, PROVIDE SOME SPACE AND SCREENING FOR SOME TOILET FACILITIES THAT WILL BE PROVIDED INSIDE THERE.

ALRIGHT, SO GO AHEAD.

YEAH, JUST LET US KNOW WHAT YOU PROPOSED.

WE DID SEE YOUR DRAWINGS, SO, OKAY.

LIKE HE SAID, I'M GARY WARREN.

I'M THE DIRECTOR FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.

UH, WE ARE REQUESTING TO ADD THIS, UM, AMENITY STRUCTURE SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE SERVICES FOR PEOPLE USING THE PIER IN THE FORM OF RESTROOM, UH, RESPITE ORDER FOUNTAIN, WHATEVER MAY GO THERE.

UM, AND BASICALLY THAT'S MY PORTION.

AND THEN WE'LL BE ADDING THE PARKING LOT, WHICH GEORGE'S WORKING ON, UM, TO ALLOW FOR PARKING DOWN THERE.

I'M, I'M, I'M GUESSING THE PARKING, UH, CONFIGURATION IS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FIT WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT THAT'S EXISTING.

YEAH, WE HAVE A VERY NARROW, IT PRETTY LOOKS PRETTY TIGHT PIECE OF LAND THERE.

AS YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY, UH, IS ADJACENT THERE.

AND THEN WE HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

UM, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO STAY WITHIN, WHAT DOES THAT PREVIOUS GIVE EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND ENOUGH, YES.

OUR CONSULTANTS, WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL MODELS TO TRY TO PROVIDE FOR A RADIUS JUST FOR THAT APPLICATION.

UM, THAT IS, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE DRAWING, YOU GO FROM A SINGLE LANE, SINGLE TRAVEL LANE TO SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU'VE GOT 24 FOOT OF WIDTH BETWEEN THE CURBS FOR A, AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE TO, AND, AND THERE'S NO PARKING ON THAT CIRCLE, THEN THERE'S

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THERE'S ONLY 10 SPACES.

THAT'S ALL WE COULD ACCOMMODATE WITH WITHIN WHAT WAS LEFT OF THE OLD DOT BRIDGE LANDING FROM THE NOOSE RIVER BRIDGE.

SO IT WAS THE OLD 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY FROM THE BRIDGE.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK IN THAT CIRCLE.

WE, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE, UH, REMOVING THEM TOO.

, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING? I THINK SOME'S A GOOD IDEA.

'CAUSE IF THE PORTA POTTIES ARE OUT THERE NOW, SO, SO THE, THE APPEARS WHERE THE PEER LOCATION, I'M JUST TRYING TO, CAN WE GO BACK LITTLE WATER? YEP.

IS, UH, IS IT, IS THE PIER BEHIND THE POND? SO IT'S, UH, YOU CAN SEE MY LITTLE CURSOR.

THIS IS THE PIER UP HERE WHERE IT SAYS 18 SOME WATER FOR SOME REASON.

BUT, UH, OKAY.

THAT'S GONNA JUST COME DIRECTLY OFF.

THIS IS, THAT'S THE CIRCLE RIGHT THERE FRONT.

THAT'S EAST FRONT STREET RIGHT THERE.

AND THERE'S THREE BATHROOMS? OR IS IT SIX BATHROOMS? YOU KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL IS? I THINK IT'S, I SAW THREE DOORS.

I DIDN'T, WELL, IT'S AVAILABLE AND HANDICAP.

OH, GOTCHA.

A FEW PEOPLE WERE CLEANING THERE.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS DOUBLE SIDED OR ANYTHING.

AND, AND, AND THE MATERIAL, I, I SEE THAT IT'S LOUVERS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.

IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? YES, SIR.

AND THEN THAT, THAT WEST ELEVATION, WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE THE DOORS ARE.

I, I, I'M THE, THE WEST ELEVATION WOULD BE LOU, THE EAST ELEVATION WOULD BE OPEN.

I DIDN'T WANNA PUT MOVERS IN THE BACKGROUND OF EAST ELEVATION TOO.

SO THE WHOLE EAST ELEVATION WOULD BE OPEN, OPEN BUILDING THE CAUSE.

SO ARE THEY REAL LOUVERS MEAN THIS, IS THIS GONNA BE OPEN, OPEN AIR KIND OF STUFF? BE OPEN BREEDS THROUGH.

WOOD.

WHAT WAS YOUR INSPIRATION? WAS IT A BOATHOUSE? UM, FOR THE ARCHITECTURE KIND OF, YEAH, KIND SOMETHING SIMILAR TO ISLAND HAS HAD THE BREAKAWAY WALLS IN THE OPEN STUFF LONG TIME AGO.

I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF THAT.

SO, SO HOW ABOUT WEATHER TIGHTNESS? IS THERE, THERE IS NO NEED FOR WEATHER TIGHTNESS.

'CAUSE THEY'RE CONCRETE BLOCK.

IT HAS TO, IT HAS TO HAVE RIGHT AWAY WALLS FOR STORM SURGE.

THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION FOR, SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT OF THE, OF THE ELEVATION.

WE'LL HAVE TO GET A PERMIT FOR THAT.

YOU SAID THERE WAS NO SUBSTANTIAL FOUNDATION, BUT IS THERE ANY KIND OF A FOUNDATION OR A SLAB OF WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THIS? THERE'LL BE FOUR FOOT BY FOUR FOOT CONCRETE PADS UP UNDER WHERE THE COLUMN MA'AM? UNDER THE COLUMN? YEAH.

BUT NOT, NOT A LARGE SLAB.

NOT, AND JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOU, YOU CAN USE HARDY BOARD AND ONE PLACE IN HERE.

YOU SAID WOOD OR HARDY BOARD? YOU CAN USE HARDY BOARD.

IN FACT, YOU CAN USE CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS THROUGHOUT.

IT, IT'D JUST BE DEPENDENT ON US WHETHER WE USE HARD BOARD OR, OR STAND.

I MEAN, IF YOU, WHEN YOU COME TO THE HEARING, IF YOU ACTUALLY DECIDE, WHICH MAYBE FIGURE IT OUT AND YOU CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IT LATER, BUT GIVE US ONE CHOICE.

UM, I THINK I SAW YOU'RE, YOU'RE USING STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

HOW ABOUT, UH, LIGHTING? OR IS THERE GONNA BE ANY LIGHTING? I HAVE NOT DISCUSSED LIGHTING.

IF WE DO, IT'LL BE VERY MINIMAL.

UM, OKAY.

AND MATT CAN HANDLE THAT LATER, BUT JUST GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO THAT.

ANYTHING ELSE? BASICALLY THE BULBS HAVE TO BE WHITE.

IS THERE ANY, WELL, ANYTHING, ALMOST ANYTHING YOU WANT.

THE BULBS JUST HAVE TO BE WHITE.

TIED TO THE, TIED TO THE PIER.

THAT MIGHT BE KIND OF A NICE CONNECTION.

IS THERE ANY LANDSCAPING GOING ON IN THIS PLANT? YEAH, WE HAVE SOME MINIMAL LANDSCAPING IN THE PARKING LOT.

UH, AND THEN MOST LIKELY WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING AROUND THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.

SOMETHING MINIMAL.

WE'LL WANT TO SEE THAT WHEN YOU COME BACK.

FOR L OR, OR LATER.

MATT CAN DO OR LATER EITHER WAY.

UM, AND THE COLUMNS ARE WOOD COLUMNS, I BELIEVE.

ARE THEY GONNA BE WRAPPED AT ALL OR NOT JUST YES, SIR.

IT, IT BE WHATEVER YOU GET STEPPED DOWN BY ENGINEERING, THEN BE WRAPPED WITH HOPEFULLY HARD BUILD.

ANY QUESTIONS BACK IN TWO WEEKS? AND MAKE SURE YOU PAY YOUR FEE TO THAT .

DO WHAT? MAKE SURE YOU PAY YOUR FEES TO THAT.

OH, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I THINK THE CREDIT'S GOOD.

THEY, THEY HAVE AN ONGOING CREDIT.

ALRIGHT.

AND NO ONE CAME FOR AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION? NO, IT APPEARS NOT.

AND NO ONE HAS CONTACTED ME AS FAR AS I KNOW.

SO I'LL ASK YOU.

DOES THAT, IS THAT A BETTER WAY TO GO THROUGH THESE? YEAH, I LIKE THAT IT'S MORE EFFICIENT, I THINK.

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I THINK IT IS.

BUT IT DOES PUT THE ONUS ON EVERYBODY TO, TO ACTUALLY READ AND LOOK AT THE MATERIALS BEFOREHAND BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE FED.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TIM, TIM AND I CAN GO BACK AND THAT WAS BASICALLY ALL YOU HAD.

WHAT, WHAT YOU LOOKED AT.

ALTHOUGH I HAVE TO SAY FOR THE FIRST ONE WAS I HAD TO SPECIFICALLY MAKE SURE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, AND YOU NEED TO STEP UP AND MAKE SURE WE KNOW THAT.

AND SO THAT SIMPLIFIED THEIR PRESENTATION TOO.

UH, SECOND THING IS THAT FOR THE FENCE ONE, WE'VE SEEN IT TWICE BEFORE, OTHERWISE WE WOULD'VE HAD TO LOOK AT COURSE A LOT MORE.

SO AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SITUATION OF COURSE, UH, THIS TIME.

NOW THIS THIRD ONE THOUGH, WOULD BE MORE TYPICAL EXCEPT THAT IT'S ONLY AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.

SO, YEAH.

YOU KNOW, AND YEAH, IF THIS HAD BEEN A DEMOLITION OR A BRAND NEW BUILDING, UM, BUT AT THE, UM, AT THE REGULAR MEETING, YOU'LL STILL HAVE YOUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

OH, YES.

SO, BUT, UH, I'M JUST SAYING FOR FUTURE DESIGN REVIEW MEETINGS.

BUT THAT'S, UM, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE HARD TO BE A, YOU KNOW, AN EXAMPLE FOR THE NEXT ONE MIGHT BE AN HOUR AND A HALF MEETING.

MIKE, TIM WOULD LOVE IF OTHER PEOPLE DID MOTIONS.

SO THE MORE YOU COULD DO IT IN ADVANCE, UH, PLUS WE HAVEN'T YET FINISHED THE AGENDA.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

I KNOW, I KNOW.

WELL PLUS THAT THESE, ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE ON TONIGHT, RIGHT? THESE THREE WILL BE ON THE AGENDA IN TWO WEEKS.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT YOU NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY THAT WERE CONTINUED.

STANDARDS AND POLICIES UPDATES, UH, THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO HAVING A DRAFT.

UM, SO

[4.A. Discussion on Standards and Policies Updates ]

TALKING TO COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.

UH, WE'LL GET THAT AS SOON AS WE CAN TO YOU, AND THAT'LL BE AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY.

UM,

[4.B. Report on discussions on the Prevention of Demolition by Neglect cases ]

ANY DISCUSSIONS ON PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT? THAT COULD BE TIM, TIM AND GREGORY ARE ON THAT, BUT, UH, WE, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ONE SINCE THE LAST DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.

I THINK IT'S COMING UP NEXT WEEK.

BECAUSE I MEAN, IS THERE ANY WAY TO LOOK, FOR INSTANCE, THE TWO TH TWO 15 P*****K STREET GOES BACK TO 2019.

IS THERE ANY POINT IN PUTTING THIS ON EVERY, EVERY MONTH? UM, WELL, I THINK THAT'S AN ONGOING LAWSUIT.

THAT'S WHY IT'S AT THE VERY TOP THERE.

AND SO THE MORE WE CAN DO THERE, PLEASE, THE BETTER.

UM, I GET COMMENTS ABOUT THAT VERY FREQUENTLY.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE FOR SALE? THAT CORRECT? IT'S FOR SALE.

BUT IT IS ENCOURAGING THE ONE AT 7 0 9 BROAD HAS RECENTLY BEEN SOLD AND THERE'S BEEN SOME EXCHANGES WITH MATT, SO, WHICH IS GOOD.

SO WE DO HAVE SOME GOOD UPDATES FOR THAT MEETING COMING UP.

DRY BOROUGH OWNER SUPPORT.

UM, THERE'S ALSO, UH, TWO OR THREE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT, UM, HAVE SOME UPDATES AND ANYTHING WITH

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SO, UH, WE DID HAVE A MEETING LAST WEEK AND, UM, UM, WE WERE ANTICIPATING HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH THE CHAIR OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

HOWEVER, UH, YOU MAY KNOW THAT THE CHAIR OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION RESIGNED, UH, LAST MONTH, I THINK.

UM, AND SO, UH, THAT WASN'T POSSIBLE.

THEY DON'T HAVE A REPLACEMENT YET.

UH, AND, UM, UH, THE OTHER THING WE DID HAVE, UH, MATT HALTON THERE TO TALK TO US ABOUT HIS EFFORTS WITH REGARD TO, UH, TRAINING.

AND, UH, TIM, ADD ANYTHING IF I, I MISS SOMETHING TRAINING FOR, UH, IN THE CITY, NOT BY THE CITY, BUT IN THE CITY MOSTLY BY THE, UH, BY THE COUNTY.

UM, UH, VOLT CENTER.

UH, HE'S TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM TO DO TRAININGS FOR HISTORIC TRADE.

HIS, UH, TRADES FOR HISTORIC BUILDINGS.

SO, UM, DIFFERENT THAN CONVENTIONAL, UH, ALMOST AS LIKE A 2 0 1 CLASS TO THEIR CONVENTIONAL STARTUP OR, YOU KNOW, 1 0 1 CLASS OR 1 0 2 CLASS.

UM, TO ACTUALLY, UM, GET MORE PEOPLE TRAINED IN NEW BERN, UH, FOR BEING ABLE TO WORK FOR, UH, CONTRACTORS LIKE, UH, ALEXIS WHO IS HERE EARLIER, UM, TO, UH, KNOW HOW TO WORK ON AND WHAT TO DO WITH HISTORIC HOMES AND, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.

AND TO, TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT, I MET WITH MATT AND WITH, UH, WITH, UH, DR. HOLMES, UH, JOHN BARR, THE PRESIDENT OF THE NEW, OF THE NEWBURN PRESERVATION FOUNDATION.

AND WE DISCUSSED THIS WHOLE IDEA OF A, UM, SKILLS TRAINING PROGRAM

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FOR HISTORIC STRUCTURES.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MATT BROUGHT UP IS HE, THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO, TO, UH, BEING ABLE TO LAUNCH THIS PROGRAM.

WHAT THEY NEED ARE A COUPLE PROJECTS, I MEAN, PHYSICAL HANDS-ON PROJECTS.

SO, IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT TO BE CLEAR.

TO BE CLEAR, YOU MEAN TO BE CLEAR, YOU MEAN MATT HALTON? YES.

NOT MATT HALTON.

I'M LIKE, I DID WHAT? YEAH.

SO, SO, SO, SO WE, I IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT OF, UH, EIGHT 11 P*****K STREET.

, UM, AS A, AS A POTENTIAL CANDIDATE, AS WELL AS THE, UH, SIX STRUCTURES THAT THE PRESERVATION FOUNDATION MM-HMM .

UH, OWNS ON, IS IT PASTOR PE STREET? PASTOR NORTH PEAL.

SO, UH, I THINK, UH, I THINK THIS IS SO, SO WHAT KIND OF SKILLS ARE WE, ARE WE TALKING, UM, UH, BRICK, CARPENTRY, UH, FINISH ALL THE ABOVE.

ALL OF ALL OF IT.

PLUS THERE'S ANOTHER LAYER TO THIS, UH, WHICH IS, OKAY, HERE'S, HERE'S THE BASICS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND THE DESIGN STANDARDS SO THAT THE CRAFTSMEN ARE AWARE OF THAT AT A FAIRLY HIGH LEVEL.

ALSO, UH, BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY HISTORIC FABRIC AND WHAT TO PRESERVE, WHAT TO BE CAREFUL OF, WHAT CAN BE REPLACED AND HOW EVEN HOW TO FIND, UH, REPLACEMENT MATERIALS.

SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A NUMBER OF THINGS BEYOND JUST HOW TO SOLVE A BOARD AND HAMMER MAIL.

I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS ON THAT, MATT HELTON HAS A VERY EXTENSIVE BOOK, WHICH IS THE SYLLABUS FROM ANOTHER, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT STATE IT WAS, BUT HE WENT TO A MEETING.

AND SO, RHODE ISLAND.

RHODE ISLAND.

IT'S GOT ALL THE TRADES AND IT, IT'S VERY, VERY EXTENSIVELY.

WHAT, WHAT ABOUT AN INTERNSHIP WITH SOME OF THE, THE LOCAL BUILDERS, ALEXA OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT, THAT WORKS REALLY EXTENSIVELY WITH THE RE AND THAT WOULD HELP THEIR BUSINESS TO HAVE INTERNS AND THEY LEARN ON SITE VERSUS US TEACHING THEM MORE.

THE KEY IS THAT, AND, AND THEN IS THEIR MONEY TO PAY THEM.

THEY SAY THE CASH.

WHO'S GONNA PAY 'EM? BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT TO PAY 'EM THE CONTRACTORS.

'CAUSE THEY NEED SKILLED FOR IT.

THEY HAVE TO WORK.

WELL, THEY MIGHT BE, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY MIGHT BE DISCOUNTED PAY, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY STILL NEED HANDS ON.

IT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED, BUT BOTH OPTIONS ARE, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN LEARNED A LOT.

THEY REALLY HAVE COPY LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S GOOD PRESERVATION

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AWARDS.

AT SOME POINT, IF YOU GOT, WHENEVER YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT IT, WE CAN CERTAINLY, DO WE HAVE IT FLESHED OUT? I DON'T THINK SOME OF THE NEWER MEMBERS HAVE SEEN IT YET, BUT WE COULD, WHENEVER YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN TALK.

IT'S ALL WRITTEN UP.

LET, JUST SEND IT OUT AGAIN MM-HMM .

AT THE MEETING, WE CAN MAYBE AGREE AND MOVE ON.

SURE.

BOARD AND STAFF TRAINING.

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MR. SHELLEY? YES.

SO, UM, UH, NONE EXCEPT FOR THE ONE I JUST COMPLETED REGARDING FLOODPLAINS, WHICH IS OF COURSE, UH, AN ISSUE WITH, UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

UM, JUST I DID, UM, LEARN SOME NEW THINGS ABOUT HOW THEY, UM, ESTABLISH THE, UM, THE FLOOD LEVELS THROUGH THE MAPPING PROCESS, HOW THE ENGINEERS ACTUALLY CALCULATE THEM.

ALSO, UH, NEXT YEAR THEY ARE, UH, CHANGING, UH, WHAT'S CALLED THE DATUM FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, BOTH VERTICALLY AND HORIZONTALLY.

UH, WHAT WE CARE ABOUT IS THE VERTICAL DATUM.

REMEMBER WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT ABOVE C LEVEL.

THAT'S THE, THE SHORTHAND FOR THE NAVD 88 DATU.

AND THEY'RE NOW CHANGING THAT TO A EVEN LONGER NUMBER FOR OUT OF, FOR 1922 OR NOT 19 20, 22, SORRY, UH, CALCULATION.

AND SO, UM, UH, THAT ONE WE'LL STILL TALK ABOUT C LEVEL, BUT I ALSO WAS ABLE TO QUESTION SOMEONE THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT, HOW C LEVEL IS FIGURED OUT AND HOW I WOULD BE ABLE TO, BUT THAT SAME DATA, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A DIFFERENT DATA THAT'S STILL ESSENTIALLY THE SAME ELEVATION MM-HMM .

SO THE FLOOD MAPPING THAT'S THERE NOW SURE.

WOULD REMAIN PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.

THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT NUMBERS, DIFFERENT BASES, BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME OUTLINES I WOULD THINK.

SO.

UM, THEY'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT, UH, HOW, UH, ACROSS THE STATE THEY PROGRESS BASICALLY EAST TO WEST, UH, WITH UPDATES, UH, BASICALLY EVERY FOUR TO OR EIGHT YEARS, I BELIEVE.

UM, SO WE MAY BE DUE FOR ANOTHER UPDATE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.

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UM, AND WHEN WAS THE LAST ONE DONE IN 2019? 2020.

I BELIEVE 2019.

IT WAS SHORTLY AFTER I GOT, IT MUST HAVE BEEN 2020 THEN, BECAUSE I WAS JUST GOT HERE IN, AT THE END OF 2019.

AND WE STARTED RIGHT UP ON THAT.

UM, MATT BOSWELL AND I WORKED ON ANOTHER MATT BOSWELL AND I WORKED ON THAT.

SO, UM, UH, AND ANOTHER PER ANOTHER, UH, DOCTOR DID A PRESENTATION.

I ASKED HIM ABOUT HOW, UM, THEY CALCULATE OR HOW WHAT THE BFE ACTUALLY MEANS, THE, UH, BASE FLOOD ELEVATION BECAUSE HE WAS SHOWING A, A SLOPING LINE THAT WENT DOWNWARDS FROM OUT IN THE RIVER IN OUR CASE, DOWN TO THE EDGE OF THE FLOODPLAIN.

AND I WAS WONDERING HOW WATER DID THAT, BUT HE WAS SAYING THAT IT'S THE TOP OF THE WAVES IS THE BFE.

UH, AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE LARGER WAVES, THAT THEN OBVIOUSLY GETS SMALLER AND SMALLER IS IF YOU'RE AT THE BEACH.

THE SMALL WAVES THAT AT RIGHT.

IS IT, UH, HITS YOUR TOES.

UM, SO THAT'S BASICALLY HOW IT'S, UM, DOWN SLOPING.

SO THAT WAS ALWAYS A QUESTION MINE.

UM, AT THE SAME TIME, OF COURSE, THE GROUND IS COMING UP WHILE THAT THE WATER'S COMING DOWN.

SO IT ACTUALLY, UH, UM, SHORTENS THE AREA.

UM, THERE'S ALSO QUITE A FEW CO UM, PRESENTATIONS ABOUT, UM, UH, UH, INCREASED, UM, FREQUENCY OF THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM NOW HAPPENS ABOUT EVERY EIGHT YEARS.

SO, UM, THAT WAS, FLORENCE, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS A HUNDRED YEAR, ACTUALLY I THINK MIGHT'VE EVEN BEEN, BEEN BIGGER THAN THAT.

I THINK IT WAS 500, WASN'T IT? YEAH.

PA, I IT'S THAT THAN 500.

UM, AND SO, UM, MANY, MANY PEOPLE ARE CAUGHT, UM, WITHOUT INSURANCE, FLOOD INSURANCE, UH, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T REQUIRED TO HAVE IT.

UH, SO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

SO ANYWAY, THAT WAS HELPFUL.

AND, UH, ANY COMMENTS ABOUT BUILDING MATERIALS, BUILDING STYLES, METHODS? YEAH.

NO.

SO THIS, UH, CONFERENCE WAS STRICTLY FLOODPLAIN.

CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

ARE, ARE THERE ANY MORE TRAININGS COMING UP, UM, FOR, UH, HPC MEMBERS THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT? UM, SPECIFICALLY LIKE, UH, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME COMING UP THE WEBINARS THAT ARE COMING UP WITH THE, UM, UM, STATE, WHAT IS IT? THE ASSOCIATION OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS, THE, THE ONE THAT I ALWAYS SEND YOU GUYS AROUND.

UH, I THINK THERE IS ONE COMING UP IN TWO WEEKS.

IF I HADN'T ALREADY SENT THAT ONE TO YOU, UM, UM, I'LL SEND IT, SEND IT IN AGAIN.

ANYWAY, UH, JUST AS A REMINDER, UH, THOSE ARE FREE TO YOU GUYS.

UM, AND EVEN IF YOU CAN'T GET TO THE PARTICULAR WEBINAR AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, THEY TEND TO BE AROUND LUNCHTIME.

SO PEOPLE WHO WORK DURING THAT TIME PERIOD CAN'T DO THAT.

BUT IF YOU, UH, SIGN UP FOR IT, UH, THEY WILL SEND YOU AN EMAIL WITH THE RECORDING SO YOU CAN WATCH IT IN YOUR SPARE TIME.

AND ALL THOSE HOURS COUNT TOWARDS OUR YES.

AND JUST BRIEFLY, BECAUSE SOME OF THE NEWER PEOPLE, THE CLG CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM ALLOWS FOR, UM, RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY TO GET FREE ADVICE FROM THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE EXPERT FOR THEIR HISTORIC BUILDINGS.

SO, UM, OTHERWISE, UM, IF WE WEREN'T PART OF THAT PROGRAM, WE WOULDN'T GET THAT.

AND PLUS WE ALSO HAVE THE CLG GRANT COMING UP.

UM, IT WAS JUST APPROVED BY THE ALDERMAN, UM, TO BE ADDED.

I ESSENTIALLY ADDED, THEY APPROVED FOR US TO APPLY FOR IT.

SAY THE APPLICATION WAS APPROVED, NOT THE YES.

UH, SO WOULD ALSO IMPLY THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDING THAT THEN IF WE GET IT TO THE, UH, TO THE BUDGET.

UM, SO THAT IS FOR AN UPDATE TO THE RIVERSIDE, UM, HISTORIC, UH, NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT DOCUMENTATION, WHICH WE USE, UM, PARTICULARLY FOR, UH, KNOWING WHETHER OR NOT A PARTICULAR STRUCTURE IS CONTRIBUTING OR NOT.

AND THEN THAT AFFECTS HOW WE TREAT IT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.

NOW IN DOING THE DRIVER OF STUDY, WILL WE HAVE ANY WORK TO DO WITH THAT OR NOT? UM, RIVERSIDE STUDY.

WHEN YOU SAY WE, WHO'S THE WE HPC COMMISSION.

UM, UH, YOU WILL BE APPRISED OF IT, UM, PROBABLY AT THE BEGINNING AND, AND IT MAY BE A PRESENTATION TO THE ALDERMAN, JUST, AND THEN YOU GUYS, IF, IF GRANTED YEAH.

SO, UH, NOT, UH, NOT THAT I CAN FORESEE IT.

YOU MEAN WITH REGARD TO MATT HALTON'S WORK? NO, NO, I, I SAID I MEANT RIVERSIDE.

OH.

THE EXTENSION RIVERSIDE.

UM, THE EXTENSION OF, SO MOSTLY NO,

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AND THEN TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON AND YOU GUYS CAN COME TO THAT MEETING AND, UM, THAT, UH, AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF AN INVENTORY, KIND OF AN UPDATE TO, TO THE INVENTORY THAT YES.

THAT WE HAVE.

RIGHT? YES.

UM, SO, AND THEY WOULD GO THROUGH KIND OF PROPERTY BY PROPERTY BLOCK BY BLOCK.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, ALREADY WE HAVE, UM, I'M JUST GONNA ROUND IT TO 200.

AND I THINK WE FOUND THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY 300 PROPERTY, UH, BUILDINGS IN THAT, UH, AREA.

SO WE'RE MISSING ABOUT A HUNDRED.

UM, AND IT, THE, IT'S BEEN QUITE A WHILE SINCE THEY DID THAT INVENTORY BACK IN 1987.

SO THERE'S, UH, BEEN, UH, QUITE A FEW NEW BUILT STRUCTURES BUILT.

MOST OF THOSE WOULD, THE NEW ONES SINCE 1987 WOULDN'T NECESSARILY QUALIFY, BUT THERE ARE THEN ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT BETWEEN 1937 AND 1987, THE 50 AT 50 YEAR TIME PERIOD, THERE WERE QUITE A FEW IN THERE THAT WERE, UH, PREVIOUSLY INVENTORIED, BUT IDENTIFIED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING JUST BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T OLD ENOUGH THAT ARE NOW OLD ENOUGH.

NOW, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO, UM, CHANGE THE BOUNDARIES OF NO.

WITH ONE EXCEPTION.

UM, UH, TIM AND JIM MIGHT KNOW, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT MAMIE SADLER STORE? YES.

MAMIE SADLER'S GROCERY STORE.

WAS ACTUALLY ON THE EAST SIDE OF CRAVEN STREET.

AND SO THE DISTRICT DID A ONE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, ZIGZAG TO INCLUDE IT BACK WHEN IT WAS STILL STANDING.

UM, IT'S BEEN GONE FOR 10 YEARS NOW.

RIGHT? YEAH.

SO, UM, NO POINT IN HAVING THAT IN ANYMORE.

UM, IF THAT TRIGGERS SOME BIG ISSUE WITH COST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE MIGHT JUST SAY, FORGET, JUST LEAVE.

I, I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING WE, WE CAN DO RECOMMEND TO THE ALDERMAN.

WELL, WE CAN CER CERTAINLY DO IT IN THE LOCAL DISTRICT.

UM, BUT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE , I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE INVENTORY, IF THEY FOUND SOME PROP, SOME STRUCTURES THAT WERE OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BOUNDARIES.

BUT THEY WERE DEEMED TO BE SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURES IF THERE WAS A, A RECOURSE TO CHANGE THE BOUNDARIES.

SO, UM, AND I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT'S THAT EXISTS OR NOT.

YES, IT DOES.

SO WE AREN'T INTENDING THAT AT ALL.

SO, OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD, MATT, TO, UM, ENFORCEMENTS OR, NO, THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING.

OF COURSE, I'LL, I'LL REMEMBER AFTER YOU'RE RE I SEE YOU GETTING A FLURRY OF, OF MURAL APPLICATIONS, OR I'M SORRY, I, I SEE YOU'RE GETTING A FLURRY OF NEW MURALS.

YES, YES.

SO, UH, PRIOR TO ABOUT SIX OR NINE MONTHS AGO WHEN WE ADDED MURALS TO THE, UH, MINE'S LIST, PRIOR TO THAT, I CONSIDERED THAT TO BE PAINTING.

SO WE DON'T NORMALLY REVIEW PAINTING PROJECTS, BUT NOW SINCE WE HAVE IT ON THE MINE'S LIST, NOW WE HAVE TO GET A COA FOR IT.

UM, SO, UM, WE COULD CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE, UH, MAYBE ELIMINATING THAT PARTICULAR ITEM FROM THE .

THE ONLY THING IS WE DO WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE HOUSE OF THE BUILDING WAS ALREADY PAINTED IF IT'S MASONRY.

BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO PAINT NEWLY PAINTED MASONRY.

WHAT'S ON THE, ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT EVEN ASKING, YOU KNOW, DON'T YOU CARE WHAT'S ON THERE? AGAIN, SUPREME COURT SAYS NO.

SO, BUT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT CONTENT AT ALL.

YOU'RE JUST, JUST LOOKING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE STRUCTURE WAS, WAS PREVIOUSLY PAINTED.

THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT HAS, UH, UH, BANNED OUR A REVIEW OF CONTENT.

SO WHEN, WHEN WE DO THAT, 'CAUSE, UM, IS THERE'S SOME POINT IN TIME THOUGH, DOES IT SHIFT THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE TOWN? NOT, NOT THE CONTENT ITSELF, BUT THE FACT THAT EVEN IF WE'RE PAINTING FLOWERS OR YOU KNOW ANYTHING, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PAINTED BRICK IN THIS, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

AND SO THAT, WITH THAT SAID, THEN ANY OF THOSE BUILDINGS COULD HAVE A MURAL ON IT.

SO DO WE CUT, IS THERE A POINT WHERE IT IS LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GETTING AWAY FROM THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS TOWN BECAUSE WE ARE PAINTING, UM, REGARDLESS OF THE CONTENT, EVERY SERVICE, YEAH.

EVERY SERVICE THAT'S BEEN PAINTED WITH A MURAL, AND IT'S STARTING TO LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A GRAFFITI TYPE OR, YOU KNOW, I GET IT, IT'S URBAN.

IT'S VERY MUCH ART OF PEOPLE.

AND, AND THAT'S FINE.

AND, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE'S THE STOPPING POINT WITH THAT? BECAUSE I MEAN, IF WE'VE PAINTED EVERY BUILDING THAT'S BEEN PAINTED IN HERE, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF MURALS.

AND SO WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY SO IN THAT IT, AT SOME POINT IT IS GONNA IMPACT THE HISTORIC, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, MIL OF THIS AREA.

SO, UM, IN THE PAST WHEN PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ABOUT, WELL, DON'T YOU GUYS CARE

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UH, BUT, UM, IF SUPPOSE SOMEONE, UH, PROPOSED SOMETHING OBSCENE AND PAINTED SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON A, ON A MURAL, I'M SURE THAT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, UH, MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT, LIKE I SAID, THE CONTENT.

IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S SEEMS TO BE GROWING HERE AND, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

ARE, ARE WE THERE, IS THERE A LIMIT? LIKE, IS THERE A LIMIT WE CAN SAY, OKAY, NOW IT'S, IT'S THIS DISRUPTING THE HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, MILIEU NO MORE THAN HERE.

NO.

AND, AND I'M NOT SURE YOU, YOU GUYS WANT TO BE THE JUDGE SAY THAT.

WELL, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ASKING TOO BE, BUT IS THERE, IS THERE A GOVERNING AUTHORITY THAT CASE SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE ATLANTA TO BE THE JUDGE? NO, NO, NO.

BUT, YOU KNOW, CAN THE, CAN THE CITY, CAN THE ALDERMAN OR WHATEVER SAY, ALL RIGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'VE PROBABLY GOT ENOUGH MURALS HERE IN NEW BERN NOW.

SO THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE LEGAL TEAM.

I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S MAYBE AN OPTION TO LIMIT WHERE THEY ARE OR SOMETHING.

RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S A STRETCH THING.

I'LL ASK THAT QUESTION.

I MEAN, BECOMING TOO POPULAR.

IT'S BECOMING VERY POPULAR NOW.

AND NOW IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, WELL, AND I WAS JUST WALKING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THE OTHER DAY AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, THAT'S PAINTED.

THAT'S PAINTED, BUT SO THEY COULD PUT A MURAL THERE, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM .

YEP, YEP, YEP.

AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE.

OH, THERE WA ACTUALLY I DID HAVE, I DID REMEMBER WHAT I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF.

AND THAT, UH, WAS RELATED TO THE MINOR'S LIST.

UM, BUT WE WILL BE A ADDING A REQUEST TO ADD, UM, THE KINDS OF AMENDMENTS THAT ARE NOT FOR, FOR WORK THAT'S NOT INCLUDED.

WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, AN ITEM THERE FOR WORK THAT'S, UH, AMENDMENTS FOR WORK.

SO AMENDMENTS TO A MAJOR COA, WHERE THE, UH, WHERE THE AMENDMENT IS FOR MINOR WORK IS NOW CURRENTLY AT A MINOR WORK ITEM.

UH, SO HOWEVER, WE'RE NOW FINDING, UH, SEVERAL CASES, UM, NOT JUST THE ONE THAT WAS ON OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT, BUT OTHERS ARE APPARENTLY COMING UP, UM, WHERE IT'S SIMILAR TO, IT'S NOT ON THE LIST, BUT IT IS INCREDIBLY MINOR IN SCOPE AND CONSIDERATION.

UM, AND SO, SO, SO JAMIE IS ALREADY, SHE'S SPOUTED OFF WHAT IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF HER HEAD.

AND IF, AND, UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO DRAFT THAT UP AND SEND THAT OUT TO YOU GUYS.

SO, SO, SO THAT WOULD BE THAT A MINOR ON A MAJOR IS SOMETHING THAT REMAINS A MINOR.

IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T PUSH THE MAJOR BACK.

IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT A REVISION TO A MAJOR.

SO, SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY, UM, SO YOU APPROVED A MAJOR WORK, UH, PROJECT, A NEW BUILDING.

AND SOMEONE WANTS TO DO A CHANGE THAT ISN'T ON THE MINOR'S MINOR WORK LIST, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE ANYWAY, BECAUSE WE ALLOW THAT IN MAJOR WORK MM-HMM .

UH, PROJECTS.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THE LANGUAGE IS GONNA GO.

I, I THINK THE WAY YOU EXPLAINED IT TO, OR SENT ME SOMETHING, TALKED ABOUT CHANGING A CONGRUOUS MATERIAL TO ANOTHER CONGRUOUS MATERIAL.

OH, OKAY.

BUT THEN GIVE SOME THOUGHT, 'CAUSE I HAVE STARTED, BUT I CAN'T GET A SOLUTION.

THAT GETS INTO THE SAME T TERRITORY AS REPLACEMENT AND KIND AND ALSO INCONGRUOUS REPLACED WITH CONGRUOUS.

AND SO BETWEEN ALL OF THE, RIGHT MM-HMM .

IS THERE A WAY TO EXPLAIN IT? RIGHT? YEAH.

SO BECAUSE CONGRESS TO CONGRESS IS FAIRLY SIMPLE MM-HMM .

YEP, YEP, YEP.

SO, UM, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE DRAFTED UP AND SENT TO YOU IN THE PACKET OR IN THE, NOW THE NEW FOLDER THAT WE'VE BEEN USING.

HAS IT BEEN WORKING FOR EVERYBODY? ANYBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT? SO DROPBOX.

DROPBOX IS OUT, WELL, NOT YET.

I'VE BEEN DOING BOTH JUST IN CASE.

BUT CASE, BUT THAT YOU'RE PHASING DROPBOX OUT AND WE'RE TRYING TO YES, WE'RE, AND WE'RE TESTING THIS, UH, ONEDRIVE FOLDER INSTEAD.

SO HAS ANYONE HAD A PROBLEM WITH ONEDRIVE? NO.

I USE IT ALL THE TIME.

TOO.

I DON'T WANT TO, I GUESS THE ONE DIFFERENCE I SEE IS AS TIME GOES ON, IF YOU WANT TO SAVE THEM ALL IN YOUR ONEDRIVE, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE COMING FROM THAT CUTTING THEM ALL.

AND, AND MEETING UP ALL OF OUR DROPBOX.

COPIED AND DRAG OR CLICKED AND DRAGGED IN THERE FROM MY ONEDRIVE ANYWAY.

I CURRENTLY DO THAT.

AND SO WITH DROPBOX, THAT'S A SEPARATE, THAT'S A, A COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL COMPANY.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

AND UH, IF THEY WERE TO GO BANKRUPT TOMORROW AND SUDDENLY SHUT DOWN ALL THEIR STUFF, THEN POTENTIALLY WE WOULD LOSE, LOSE THOSE DOCUMENTS.

HOWEVER, THAT SAID, ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE JUST DRAG

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SO, UM, THEY'RE COPIES, SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY LOSE ANYTHING THERE, BUT WE JUST LOSE, SUDDENLY LOSE.

UM, SO, SO FOR R ACCESS FOR YOU GUYS, DO WE HAVE ACCESS TO PREVIOUS IN OURS OR DO WE HAVE TO GO TO YOU TO GET TO YEAH, SO THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.

SO CURRENTLY IN DROPBOX, YOU YOURSELVES CAN GO BACK, UM, TWO YEARS I THINK WE HAVE IN THERE NOW, UM, TO ANYTHING WHICH IS KIND HELPFUL TO SEE TWO YEARS AGO.

UM, WITH THE ONEDRIVE, UM, UM, THE WAY WE'RE SETTING IT UP IT CURRENTLY IS I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO GIVE YOU, WELL YOU WILL HAVE THE LINK TO EACH INDIVIDUAL MONTH OR EACH INDIVIDUAL MEETING.

SORRY.

WELL, YOU COULD SHARE THE ENTIRE FOLDER.

WELL, SO, SO WE WOULD THEN REALLY WANT THAT, HAVE TO HAVE A FOLDER OF LINKS IF WE WANTED TO GO BACK AND, AND GRAB THOSE.

SO WE SHOULD NOT DELETE, WE SHOULD SAVE THE LINKS SOMEWHERE.

WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AND MAKE THAT, UM, SOMEHOW MAKE THAT WORK FOR YOU GUYS.

BUT, UM, WELL WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT AND HAVE LIKE A, ALMOST LIKE A DIRECTORY OF LENGTHS.

IT'S THE, I'M, I'M CREATING NEW FOLDERS JUST FOR THE ME JUST FOR THE INFORMATION THAT'S COMING TO THE MEETING BECAUSE THE FOLDER I HAVE FOR THE MEETING, WHICH IS THE FOLDER, SO WHAT I'M CREATING IS A SUB FOLDER.

LEMME PUT IT THAT WAY.

SO THE FOLDER I HAVE FOR THE MEETING HAS 35 FILES THAT ARE DIFFERENT DRAFTS AND ALL VARIOUS PIECES OF INFORMATION.

AND THEN YOUR SUB FOLDER IS EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN COMPILED TOGETHER FOR THAT ONE PROJECT.

BUT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA KEEP UP TO DATE, YOU'RE GONNA RETAIN THE SUB FOLDER.

SO THAT ONE'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY.

AND IF WE HAD A LINK TO IT, THEN WE COULD STILL GET TO IT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

IN, IN PERPETUITY OR FOR AS LONG AS THIS CITY EXISTS.

THAT'S FAIR.

THAT'S GOOD.

OUR DATABASE EXISTS, SO YES.

BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO.

YOU COULD JUST SLIDE IT INTO YOUR MEETING BY MEETING.

ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT.

UH, NO, THAT WAS THE MAIN THING.

MEMBERS, I HAVE ONE THING THAT THAT JUST 'CAUSE SOMEONE HAD APPROACHED ME ABOUT IT.

I DIDN'T, AND I WAS LOOKING FOR IT ON HERE.

THERE'S IN, IT'S IN THE 300 BLOCK OF MIDDLE STREET, UM, FOR BELLA'S CAFE COW CAFE.

THE BELLA'S COFFEE SHOP AND COW CAFE, CAFE FA THE LADY THAT BOUGHT THE BUILDING THAT OWNS BELLA'S, SHE SAID SHE RECEIVED A STOP ORDER 'CAUSE THEY STARTED PAINTING THE BACK PART OF IT.

WOULD IT BE ON THE ORIGIN ENGINE OR NO, IF SHE'S RECEIVED THAT.

UH, WHAT WAS THE LAST SENTENCE YOU SAID? SO SHE SAID THEY STARTED TO PAINT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

YEAH, ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.

OH.

IT'S BEEN KIND OF RECENT.

AND SHE, THEY HAD TO STOP.

THEY, SHE SAID THEY RECEIVED A STOP ORDER AND IT'S THE, AND SHE, SHE'S DRUG ME OUT BACK.

SHE'S LIKE, LOOK AT IT.

AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, I DON'T MAKE THIS CALL, ESPECIALLY IN THE PARKING LOT HERE, BUT YEAH.

UM, IS IT BRICK? IT'S IT'S PARTIALLY BRICK AND THEN IT'S PARTIALLY CINDER BLOCK AND IT'S, THERE'S PATCHED UP.

IT'S A MESS.

AND ALL THE, THE, UM, THE BACK, IT'S IN THAT BACK PARKING LOT BEHIND THERE AND A LOT.

AND THEY STARTED PAINTING IT AND WHEN THEY WERE TOLD TO STOP AND NOW IT REALLY LOOKS TERRIBLE.

THAT REALLY WAS LIKE FIVE YEARS AGO.

OH, WAS IT? SIX YEARS AGO? OKAY.

SHE'S, YEAH.

UM, SHE'S MADE IT SOUND LIKE IT JUST HAPPENED.

SO, BUT THEY'RE WANTING TO KNOW WHAT YES.

WELL YOU NEED TO PIN FOR A COAD TO DO THAT BECAUSE AT, AT THE TIME, UM, WE WERE REQUESTING INFORMATION FROM THE, FROM THE PAINTER.

SLASH OR AT THE OWNER'S, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION.

I THINK IT'S A NEW OWNER NOW.

IS THE SO THE NEW OWNER.

SO DOESN'T KNOW, UM, THAT THE PREVIOUS, UH, PAINTER WAS REQUESTED TO DO CERTAIN, UM, PROVIDE US WITH CERTAIN INFORMATION.

SO THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING FOR US TO FOLLOW UP ON.

THAT'S WHY I TOLD CONTACT YOU.

UM, BUT SHE, YEAH, SHE'S CONCERNED.

'CAUSE I MEAN IT IS, IT IS PRETTY MUCH A, A EYESORE BACK THERE NOW.

'CAUSE ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE PAINTED.

I'M LIKE, WELL THAT DOESN'T, YEAH, THERE'S STILL THE, DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET TO PAINT YOURS TOO.

IT'S NOT NO, I THINK WE WERE ASKING, UH, THE PAINTER TO PROVIDE US WITH A TEST AREA OF, UM, REMOVING THE PAINT.

UH, AND UH, THEY, THEY NEVER DID.

NEVER DID.

I THINK SHE JUST WASN'T AWARE OF THE HISTORY OF IT.

I THINK SO WE HAVE HAD, UM, ANOTHER CASE WHERE WE'VE, UH, HAD ON THE CORNER HERE ON BROAD STREET WHERE WE, UM, HAD THEM REMOVE THE PAINT THAT THEY HAD PUT ON UNPAINTED BRICK.

SO DID IT WORK? THE PAINT REMOVAL? YEAH.

THIS'S IN BAD SHAPE BACK THERE.

YOU COULD SEE IT.

IT'S YEAH.

PIECE, THIS PIECE.

A WHOLE PIECE OF THE WHOLE BRICK'S FALLING OUT OF IT.

AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPOINT IT.

PAINT.

IS PAINTER'S NOT GONNA DO THAT? NO, THAT'S NOT GONNA, I THINK THEY THINK IT'S GONNA BE SHIELD FOR IT.

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SO I MEAN, BETTER TEMPORARILY EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT.

SURE.

AND AGREED.

THEY HAVE ALL ALL THOSE KIND OF DIFFERENT WONKY THINGS GOING YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S THE UTILITY SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, BUT IT'S A PART, IT'S A PUBLIC PARKING LOT BACK THERE, SO, AND THEY WANT IT TO LOOK NICE.

, ANYTHING ELSE? ONE LAST COMMENT.

I TOOK HOMES TOUR, HERITAGE HOMES TOUR TOUR AND OH YES.

THERE WERE AT LEAST FOUR PEOPLE COMMENTED IN DOING THE TOURS ABOUT HOW THEY HAD RESTORED THEIR ORIGINAL WINDOWS.

SO THAT WAS VERY ENCOURAGING TO HEAR THAT WAS OH, THAT'S COOL.

BECAUSE IT CAN BE DONE.

IT CAN BE DONE.

AND, AND UM, I HAVE TO SAY, WHEN I WAS AT THE TRAINING TOO, UM, I, BECAUSE I, I PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON THERE FROM HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS FLOODPLAIN THING, AND I WOULD EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE HOW IN, AND I WOULD TELL 'EM ABOUT THE HOME TOUR, UH, HISTORIC HOME TOUR AND THE, UH, HOUSE, THE DOCENTS WOULD DESCRIBE HOW, BECAUSE WHEN YOU WALK IN WOULD DESCRIBE FIRST THING WHEN YOU GET IN THE, IN THE BUILDING TO THE GROUP, THEY WOULD ALWAYS SAY, AND THE FLOOR IS THE ORIGINAL FLOOR FROM THE 17 HUNDREDS.

AND PEOPLE, AH, AND THEN THEY SAY, AND WHAT YOU, WHAT'S EVEN MORE IMPRESSIVE IS THAT THIS WAS UNDER TWO TO THREE FEET OF WATER AND UNDER FLORENCE.

AND, AND, AND THE CONTRACTORS, PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW THAT.

AND THE CONTRACTORS WANTED TO COME IN AND THEY WERE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP THEM AND GET RID OF ALL THAT WOOD FLOORING THAT'S ALL WARPED AND WET AND EVERYTHING AND COME IN AND REPLACE IT WITH BEAUTIFUL NEW FLOORING.

AND THANK GOODNESS ALL THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT PARTICULAR, IN THOSE CASES, UH, SAID NO, NO, NO.

AND ALL THEY HAD TO DO, THEY EXPLAINED, WAS PUT IN, UH, FANS AND MAYBE SOME DEHUMIDIFIERS AND LO AND BEHOLD ALL THAT WOOD WENT RIGHT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS.

THE ONE DOCENT EVEN MENTIONED, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE HOUSE, BUT WHERE THEY ACTUALLY REMOVED THE SIDING TO ALLOW THE AIR.

AND THAT'S ON THE STATE VIDEO.

THE PRINCE AND FOLSOM.

AND I EXPLAINED THAT STORY TOO.

AND THEN ALSO ABOUT, UM, SOMEONE IN MY PARTICULAR GROUP ASKED ABOUT, WELL IF THAT, WHAT ABOUT THE, WHAT ABOUT THE WALLS? AND THE DOCENT DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN THEIR PAPER.

SO I VOLUNTEERED TO SAY THAT FOR PLASTER WALLS, UM, IT'S THE SAME AS THE WOOD IS.

THE PLASTER GOES RIGHT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REMOVE IT.

YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PAINT IT IF THERE WAS SOME STAINING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE IT.

AND, AND SO SOMEONE SAID, WELL YOU MEAN, UH, AS OPPOSED TO LIKE DRYWALL, YOU KNOW, WALLBOARD, UH, WHAT ABOUT THAT? YOU KNOW, I SAID, YEP.

THAT YOU HAVE TO REPLACE, YOU KNOW, AS EVERYONE, I THINK IF, IF WE EVER HAVE ANOTHER BAD FLOOD, IT'S ON US THAT WE NEED TO GET A TEAM OUT THERE WITH PAPER AND EXPLAINING THEM THAT THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

AND ACTUALLY PUTTING SOME INFORMATION OUT PRIOR TO.

IT WOULD BE ALSO WONDERFUL.

SO TO WORK ON GETTING SOME KIND OF, UM, HISTORIC HOME OR HISTORIC EVEN THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.

UM, WELL THE STATE HAS SOME GOOD MATERIAL, THOSE VIDEOS.

YES, YES.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN BETTER WOULD BE JUST A CHECKLIST OF SOME KIND OR UM, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE KIND OF MATERIALS THAT WE'RE TALKING.

'CAUSE IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE WITH WHICH MATERIALS YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE.

SO, UM, BUT I THINK, UH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING IF, IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE, UH, TASK FORCE, WAIT, UH, DISCUSSION GROUP TO TALK ABOUT HOW, AND SOMEONE WANTS TO VOLUNTEER TO KIND OF TAKE A CRACK AT WE VOLUNTEERED YOU.