May 05, 2026 Board of Aldermen Work Session

THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR POSITION.

IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THE PAY PLAN, WE'LL GO TO THE STAFFING POSITION HISTORY.

JUST WANNA WALK YOU THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT.

ALRIGHT, SO IN THE GENERAL FUND, AND I'M JUST GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE ACTUAL CHANGES IF THERE ARE INCREASES IN POSITIONS OR DECREASES IN PROPOSED POSITION.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, THE GENERAL FUND IT PARKS AND RECREATION, YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM FISCAL YEAR 26 TO FISCAL YEAR 27, THERE'S A DECREASE BY ONE POSITION.

THAT SHOULD BE THE SPECIAL PROJECTS COORDINATOR POSITION.

ALSO PROPOSING, UM, A DECREASE BY ONE IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FROM 19 POSITIONS TO 18, WHICH WOULD BE

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UH, LET'S SEE, EVERYTHING ELSE REMAINS THE SAME UNTIL WE GET DOWN TO THE SEWER FUND.

PROPOSING AN INCREASE IN SEWER TREATMENT FROM 19 PHYSICIANS TO 20.

AND THAT IS THAT TREATMENT PLANT MAINTENANCE MECHANIC POSITION, AND THE ELECTRIC FUND.

UNDER ELECTRIC ADMINISTRATION, WE'RE PROPOSING A DECREASE BY TWO PHYSICIANS THERE FROM 11 DOWN TO NINE.

AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, REMOVAL OF THE ELECTRIC ENGINEERING MANAGER POSITION AND THE IT SYSTEM ANALYST.

WHEN WE GO TO COMMUNICATIONS CONTROL, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, INCREASING FROM SEVEN TO EIGHT.

THAT WOULD BE ONE UTILITY CONTROL SYSTEM OPERATOR AND THE UTILITY BUSINESS OFFICE FROM 15 TO 16, THAT WILL BE ONE BILLING SERVICES REPRESENTATIVE CUSTOMER PAYMENT SERVICES FROM 11 TO 13, THAT WILL BE AN INCREASE OF TWO POSITIONS.

ONE IS A CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE AND ONE IS A PAYMENT SERVICES REPRESENTATIVE.

AND THEN IN THE MPO FUND, UH, DECREASED BY TWO POSITIONS FOR THE TWO POSITIONS THAT ARE IN THAT PARTICULAR BOOK.

ANY QUESTIONS THERE? ALRIGHT, SO I WANT TO TALK REAL QUICK ABOUT, UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL POSITIONS THAT WERE REQUESTED, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM WERE RECOMMENDED AND I WANNA WALK THROUGH THAT JUST A BIT AS WELL.

ALRIGHT, SO IN THE GENERAL FUND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY REQUESTED ONE IT NETWORK SUPPORT ANALYST AND THAT POSITION WAS NOT RECOMMENDED.

AND THE BUDGET, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT REQUESTED ONE ACCOUNTING AND ADMINISTRATIVE COORDINATOR POSITION, AND THAT ONE WAS NOT RECOMMENDED.

THE POLICE RE REQUESTED A REAL TIME CRIME CENTER ANALYST, THAT ONE WAS NOT RECOMMENDED.

AND GIS REQUESTED THE GIS TECH POSITION AND THAT ONE WAS NOT RECOMMENDED.

SEWER FUND, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS POSITION, THE TREATMENT PLANT MAINTENANCE MECHANIC POSITION WAS REQUESTED AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED IN THE ELECTRIC FUND.

THE DIRECTOR REQUESTED TWO UTILITY CONTROL SYSTEM OPERATORS AND THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO FUND ONE POSITION.

AND UTILITY BILLING, THERE'S A BILLING SERVICES REPRESENTATIVE POSITION.

ONE WAS REQUESTED, ONE WAS RECOMMENDED CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE, ONE WAS REQUESTED, ONE RECOMMENDED AND THE SAME FOR PAYMENT SERVICES REPRESENTATIVE.

ONE WAS REQUESTED AND ONE WAS RECOMMENDED.

ALRIGHT, SO IN ADDITION, THERE WERE SOME RECLASSIFICATIONS THAT WERE REQUESTED.

AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RECLASSIFICATIONS, WE'RE SAYING THAT THE FUNCTIONS AND THE SCOPE OF OF THE FUNCTIONS IN THOSE PARTICULAR POSITIONS HAVE EVOLVED SUCH THAT THEY REALLY NEED TO BE CHANGED IN ONE GRADE TO ANOTHER.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE RECLASSIFICATIONS ARE.

SO IN PARKS AND RECREATION, THE REQUEST WAS TO RECLASSIFY ONE POSITION AND OFFICE ASSISTANT THREE TO AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT THAT IS RECOMMENDED IN PUBLIC WORKS WE'RE REQUESTING TO RECLASSIFY ONE OFFICE ASSISTANT THREE TO AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT THAT IS RECOMMENDED AS WELL.

THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS STREETS DIVISION RECOMMENDED THE RECLASSIFICATION OF ONE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR, ONE TO A LEAD EQUIPMENT OPERATOR, TWO THAT'S RECOMMENDED ALSO THE, UM, RECLASSIFICATION OF ONE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR TWO TO A LEAD EQUIPMENT OPERATOR, TWO THAT WAS RECOMMENDED.

AND THIS, WELL, THIS IS ACTUALLY A MOVE FROM ONE POSITION, UH, ONE DIVISION TO ANOTHER.

THEY WANT TO MOVE THE LEAD EQUIPMENT OPERATOR ONE POSITION, ONE OF THOSE OVER TO STORMWATER FROM STREETS.

AND THEN IN STORMWATER, UH, THEY WANT TO MOVE A MAINTENANCE CONSTRUCTION WORKER FROM, UH, MOVE IT TWO STREETS FROM STORMWATER AND THEN THE ELECTRIC FUND COMMUNICATIONS CONTROL.

THERE ARE FIVE, UM, RECLASSIFICATIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED.

FIVE PEOPLE FEEL THAT ONE PARTICULAR JOB CLASS THEY RECOMMENDED TO RECLASSIFY FROM A GRADE 11 TO A 13 AND THAT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED.

ALRIGHT, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, MS. HUGHES IS, IS A LOT OF THIS HAD TO DO WITH THE BOND AND, AND THE WORK OF BECOMING ON THAT, YOU'RE RESTRUCTURING FOR JUST AN INTERIM PERIOD OF, OF ALL THIS REPAVING ALL THINGS GOING ON.

DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING? NO, NO SIR.

IT DOES NOT.

UM, WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH THE MAJORITY OF PHYSICIANS REQUEST ELECTRIC UTILITY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT SHORTLY, BUT, BUT THE BOND DOES NOT HAVE UTILITY.

UM, AND, AND, UM, WATER SEWER, THAT ONE, ONE VISIT REQUEST.

AND SO THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND THAT DOES NOT IMPACT, UM, THE, THE REQUEST FOR,

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FOR THE SEWER, THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE, UM, BASICALLY THEY'RE QUITE BUSY AND, AND THEY NEED THE, THEY NEED THE HELP OVER THERE.

UM, AND, AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TALK NOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ELECTRIC UTILITY.

SO THEY HAD TWO POSITIONS THAT HAD NOT BEEN, UM, THAT HAD BEEN VACANT FOR, FOR A FEW YEARS.

UM, AND I THINK THERE WERE, FOR A FEW REASONS WHY THEY, THEY WERE VACANT.

UM, STAFF FEELS THAT THEY WERE, UM, THEY WERE NOT MARKED STANDARDS FOR THOSE POSITIONS AND THEY COULD NOT FIND ADEQUATE STAFF TO, TO, UH, OR ADEQUATE APPLICANTS TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS.

BUT NONETHELESS, THEY'VE BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE.

SO WE LOOKED AT REDUCING THOSE TWO POSITIONS IN ORDER TO FUND FOUR POSITIONS THAT THEY REQUESTED.

THE, UH, UTILITY AND PAYMENTS, UM, SEVERAL CUSTOMER SERVICE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND, AND WE HAVE SEEN A NEED, THEY'RE QUITE BUSY AT THE, UH, AT THE ELECTRIC UTILITY, UH, ON THE CUSTOMER SERVICE SIDE.

UH, SUPPORT THAT 100%.

CHARLIE AND I HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT UTILITY CONTROL.

UM, I DID PROPOSE ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS WE HAD, WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS INTERNALLY AND WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT A 24 HOUR SCHEDULE FOR TWO PEOPLE.

THE THE BIG CONCERN THAT THAT STAFF HAS IS, IS, IS BASICALLY FOR THE SAFETY PORTION OF IT.

WHEN YOU'RE AT A FACILITY BY YOURSELF AT NIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE A, A BACKUP RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.

UH, I DO SUPPORT AND THIS, I DO SUPPORT TWO UTILITY CONTROL, UH, POSITIONS TO BE ADDED TO THAT.

UM, BUT I CANNOT JUSTIFY, UH, THE OTHER, THE OTHER POSITIONS AT THIS TIME.

UM, I SENT YOU SOMETHING FROM BAKER TILLY AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT SHORTLY, BUT THEY DID EVALUATE OUR CLASSIFICATION PLAN AND, AND IN THEIR COMMUNISTS, OUR CLASS CLASSIFICATION PLAN THAT WAS DONE IN 2022 IS STILL AHEAD OF THE OTHER CLASSIFICATION PLANS WE SEE.

SO IT'S HARD TO JUSTIFY CHANGING THAT.

THE ELECTRIC UTILITY DIRECTOR DOES HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON, ON ADJUSTING, UM, RATES FOR SEVERAL POSITIONS.

I CAN'T RECOMMEND THAT AT THIS TIME, ESPECIALLY BASED ON WHAT BAKER TILLY HAS TOLD ME.

HOWEVER, THIS BOARD WANTS TO GIVE DIRECTION TO, TO LOOK AT THE ELECTRIC UTILITY AND DO A CLASSIFICATION STUDY FOR THAT DEPARTMENT.

WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

SO THAT'S JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION ON THAT.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON POSITIONS? YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING WITH THE ACCOUNTING ADMINISTRATIVE COORDINATOR, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR NOT FILLING THAT POSITION? RIGHT, SO THIS PERSON WAS LIKE, UM, KIM'S DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN USING THE TEMP SERVICE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND SO IT, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO DOLLARS, ESPECIALLY IN GENERAL FUND.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE, THE FUNDS WITHOUT DOING A TAX INCREASE.

WE'RE SUBSTANTIALLY CUTTING SOMETHING, UH, FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.

SO I HAD CONVERSATIONS ON THIS POSITION AS WELL.

THEY HAVE BUDGETED AND KIM'S GONNA BE ABLE TO HELP ME WITH THIS IN TEMPORARY, UM, SERVICES ENOUGH TO JUST ABOUT FUND A FULL-TIME POSITION.

SO I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH FUNDING A FULL-TIME POSITION FOR THIS.

UM, AND I BELIEVE SHE'S, SHE'S THE ADDITIONAL $5,000 THAT THEY'D HAVE TO COME UP WITH IN THE EXISTING BUDGET WITHOUT HAVING TO DO AN AMENDMENT ON THAT.

SO I DO SUPPORT THAT POSITION.

WOULD BE OUR CRIME ANALYST THAT WOULD ALSO ASSIST IN THAT REAL TIME CRIME CENTER MASTER.

AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANNA HIGHLIGHT, I THINK, UH, THE MANAGER PROVIDED YOU WITH A VACANCY REPORT.

IT WAS AS OF 4 22 OF 2026.

I DO JUST WANT TO MENTION, WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THIS IS A MOVING TARGET.

SO WHAT YOU MAY HAVE BEFORE YOU, UM, HAS CHANGED, MOST LIKELY HAS CHANGED.

FOR INSTANCE, ON THE FIRE SPECIALIST POSITIONS THAT WE INDICATED WERE VACANT, WE HAVE EXTENDED CONDITIONAL OFFERS OF EMPLOYMENT AND THOSE THREE INDIVIDUALS ARE GOING THROUGH THE BACKGROUND PHASE AS WE SPEAK.

OF COURSE, POLICE OFFICERS, IT IT IS, IT IS A MOVING TARGET.

SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN FIVE VACANCIES, NOW IT MAY BE SIX.

SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT JUST STANDING STILL.

THESE, THESE ARE POSITIONS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING STILL AND SOME OF THEM, AGAIN, OFFERS HAVE BEEN EXTENDED.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE TO REPORT.

UM, SIMON, WHO IS THIS REAL TIME CRIME CENTER ANALYSIS WHO IS CURRENTLY DOING THAT JOB AND OR IS THIS A NEW, IT IS A DULY REQUESTED POSITION AND I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYONE WHO'S PERFORMING INSTRUCTIONS CURRENTLY.

WE DO NOT.

AND WHAT WOULD THIS POSITION, WHAT WOULD THIS PERSON DO? WELL, IF WE WERE TO, UM, ACTIVATE AND ONBOARD A REAL TIME CRIME CENTER, THEN WE WOULD NEED A PERSON TO, UH, FACILITATE THE NEEDS OF THAT ROLE.

WE WOULD ALSO HAVE A BACKUP PERSON WHO

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AND WE'RE GONNA COVER THIS ON CAPITAL.

UM, IF WE CAN HOLD OFF ON THAT, THEN WE CAN DIVE INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SO YOU CAN FIND OUT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT CENTER WOULD BE LIKE.

ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS ON STAFFING IN POSITIONS AT THIS TIME? JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND IT.

THE, THE MPO OBVIOUSLY IS GOING AWAY.

UM, THE, THE FINANCIAL IMPACT WAS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, ABOUT $300,000.

WAS THERE A, A NET LOSS IN THAT GAIN FOR US IN, SO THE MAJORITY OF THAT WAS FUNDED BY, BY GRANT STATE FEDERAL GRANTS.

AND SO, UM, STEP WOULD BE ABLE TO PULL UP EXACTLY HOW MUCH THAT IMPACTED US.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE I I THINK THAT THERE WAS SOME OUT OF POCKET EXPENSE TO THE CITY FOR THAT, BUT I'M CURIOUS OF HOW MUCH WAS THAT AMOUNT AND WHERE DID IT FALL? BUT I KNOW IT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THAT DOLLAR IS AND IT'S NO RUSH WHENEVER YOU, OKAY.

SO IT IS ALLOCATED CURRENTLY THE CITY SHARE UNDER SPECIAL APPROPRIATIONS.

WE ADDED A SEPARATE ACCOUNT.

IT'S METROPOLITAN PLANNING OREGON, IT'S 16,500, AND I KNOW IT WAS, THE CITY'S SHERIFF IS GREATER THAN THAT IN PREVIOUS YEARS.

SO WE'RE SAVING, WE, WE ARE SAVING MONEY RIGHT NOW WITH THE COUNTY PROTECTION OVER THE LEAD PLANNING AGENCY ALSO, UH, THAT ALSO MEANS OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT HAVE TO MANAGE THOSE GRANTS, UH, OR, OR DO THE PAYROLL OR, OR ANY OF THAT, THAT STUFF.

SO IT, IT'S GONNA BE A DEADLY SAVINGS ACROSS THE BOARD.

ARE THERE ANY ALLOCATIONS THAT GOT DIVVIED UP TO THAT DIVISION, LIKE HR OR FINANCE? DID THEY PAY ANY PORTION? THEY WERE NOT, THEY WERE EXCLUDED FROM THAT.

UH, PFIZER ON THIS, UM, ACCOUNTING AND ADMINISTRATIVE COORDINATOR, WOULD YOU SAY THAT WAS BEING CURRENTLY FILLED WITH TEMPORARY SERVICES NOW? WE, WE CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY THERE'S A TEMPORARY PERSON DOING THAT, SO I'M RECOMMENDING WE FILL THAT AS A FULLTIME POSITION AND JUST A ZERO OUT THE TEMPORARY.

SO SERVICES LINE ITEM.

ALRIGHT, I I MIGHT BE A LITTLE OFF POSITION, NOT RECOMMENDED AT THIS TIME.

HAS THAT CHANGED NOW? IT HAS CHANGED, YES.

BASED ON, SO YOU ARE RECOMMENDING, I AM RECOMMENDING JUST, JUST AS I'M RECOMMENDING THE, UH, UH, ONE ADDITIONAL UTILITY CONTROL OPERATOR.

YOU SAID YOU NEEDED $5,000 TO DO THAT? YEAH, I'M GOING TO PUT OUR OVERTIME BUDGET OUT, OUR OVERTIME BUDGET BECAUSE IT SHOULD HELP REDUCE THE OVERTIME COSTS FOR THE DEPARTMENT.

NO, THIS WE HAVE NOT FUNDED ANYTHING IN, IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE IMPACT.

IF YOU NEED SOME MORE, LEMME KNOW, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME SUGGESTIONS.

, NOT MONEY, JUST SUGGESTIONS? NO, I SOME, NO.

YEAH, NOT, NOT MONEY, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU SUGGESTIONS ON WHERE YOU CAN FIND THAT ONE.

WHAT WOULD YOUR SUGGESTION BE? UM, ONE WOULD BE THE, UM, THE FACADE GRANT FOR $10,000.

I'M TRYING TO FIND THE PAGE THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

I THINK IT'S OTHER FUNDS, IT'S OTHER IN, I DON'T THINK WE'VE SPENT ANY MONEY IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.

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I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU.

I'M NOT SURE WHEN THE LAST TIME WE DID PROVIDE THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

AND THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THAT IS, IS BEING ABLE TO, UM, PUT A RESTRICTION ON, ON A PROPERTY, IF WE'RE PROVIDING FIVE, $10,000 FOR A FACADE IMPROVEMENT, HAVING SOMETHING TO SAY THAT WITHIN THREE YEARS OR FIVE YEARS, WHATEVER THE PAYBACK WAS ON THAT, THAT WE'RE GUARANTEED THAT THAT IMPROVEMENT'S GONNA BE THERE.

AND SO WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH, WITH THE ATTORNEY ON THE TEST WAY TO, TO, TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF PROTECTION THAT FUNDS HAVE NOT BEEN SPENT IN TWO YEARS BECAUSE OF THAT.

SO, SO CAN I MAKE THE SUGGESTION, INSTEAD OF WASTING RESOURCES ON FIGURING OUT A PROGRAM TO JUST ELIMINATE THE PROGRAM PERIOD, IF IT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, YOU CAN ELIMINATE THE WHOLE LINE ITEM.

HOW DOES THE BOARD FEEL ABOUT THAT ITEM 4 2 94 2 94? WHAT CONSEQUENCES WOULD BE ELIMINATED?

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UM, ALSO SWISS DOES OFFER A FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IN, IN THE GENERAL AREA THAT, THAT THIS PROGRAM, UM, AFFECTS.

AND WE COULD CERTAINLY TAKE THIS UP WHEN WE GET TO THAT PART OF THE BUDGET AS WELL.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT? IF, IF NOT, WE CAN GO TO PAGE 39.

DUES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS.

SO DUES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS.

EACH DEPARTMENT, UH, HAS MEMBERSHIP AND, AND THEY USE TOOLS OUT THESE, THESE SUBSCRIPTIONS AND DUES TO, UH, OPERATE EFFICIENTLY, STAY COMPLIANT WITH STATE FEDERAL GUIDELINES AND TEXAS CITY OPERATIONS AND, UM, GREAT TRAINING, UH, AND RESOURCES.

AND SO WE'LL KIND OF GO DOWN THE LIST OF GENERAL FUND AND THEN HIT THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS ON, ON WHERE THOSE MEMBERSHIPS ARE.

UH, UNDER THE GENERAL FUND, YOU'LL SEE THE MEMBERSHIPS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

THE FY 27 BUDGET RECOMMENDATION FOR THE GENERAL FUND IS $86,288 AND THE FY 26 BUDGET, UH, THAT IS, THAT, THAT IS A REDUCTION OF ABOUT $12,000.

THE MAIN THING WE'RE SEEING OFF THAT IS, IS OUR WITHDRAWAL FROM THE COUNCIL DEBT MEMBERSHIP IS EFFECTIVE WITH THAT.

THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE WATER FUND RECOMMENDATION OR THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE MEMBERSHIP, $8,990.

THIS IS A 13% REDUCTION FROM THE CURRENT BUDGET YEAR FOR THE SEWER FUND AND NOW IT'S $32,481, WHICH WILL REFLECTS OF 2.3% REDUCTION OVER THE CURRENT YEAR.

AND THE ELECTRIC FUND, WHICH IS $108,916, WHICH REFLECTS A 13.9% INCREASE, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE ELECTRICITY'S ANNUAL DUES INCREASE.

I HOLD MY COMMENTS.

SO ALL TOTAL DUES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS, THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AMOUNT IS $238,645, WHICH REFLECTS AN OVERALL 1.2% DECREASE OVER THE CURRENT BUDGET HERE.

ANY QUESTIONS ON DUES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS? ALRIGHT, THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO TRAVEL TRAINING.

SO YOU CAN LOOK ON PAGE THREE THREE IN YOUR BUDGET ON THAT.

AND SO WE'RE GONNA BREAK IT DOWN AGAIN.

GENERAL FUND, GENERAL FUNDS PREDICTED BUDGET FOR TRAVEL AND TRAINING IS $209,939.

THAT'S A 0.9% DECREASE OVER THE CURRENT BUDGET YEAR.

AND WE GET TO THE WATER FUND, THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET'S $32,985.

THAT IS A 20% INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT BUDGET YEAR WITH THE SEWER FUND.

THAT'S $27,002.

THAT IS A 22% DECREASE OF THE CURRENT BUDGET YEAR WITH THE ELECTRIC FUND.

$216,369.

THAT'S AN 11.9% INCREASE OF THE CURRENT BUDGET YEAR.

AND THEN SOLID WASTE THAT FLATLY PREVIOUS YEAR, WHICH IS 2008 $80.

SO OVERALL BUDGETED FOR TRAVEL AND TRAIN, $532,833 FROM ALL FUNDS.

THIS REFLECTS A 2.5% INCREASE OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

SO JUST, JUST SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

THIS BUDGET HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN CUT DOWN OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

WE HAVE SEEN INSTANCES WHERE WITH TRAVEL AND TRAINING, UH, A LOT OF THE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE INCREASED THEIR, THEIR AMOUNTS FOR, FOR THOSE SCHOOLS AND THINGS.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT IS REFLECTED IN THIS BUDGET.

UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT ON WHY THEY NEED THESE, WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS UP HERE TO EXPLAIN THOSE.

ANY QUESTIONS, DON'T BE SHY.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY.

THAT'S ALMOST HALF, THAT'S A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

IT, IT IS A

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TRAINING.

IT IS A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

AND THINK ABOUT THIS, OR A $181 MILLION ORGANIZATION.

CAN YOU GIMME A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THAT IS OF THIS BUDGET? AND SO IF YOU COMPARE US TO A SIMILAR SIZE OF MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT THIS STATE, WE ARE, WE ARE, UM, ALL ABOUT THE SAME AREA OR LOWER THAN WHAT OTHER CITIES OUR SIZE ARE DOING.

UM, WE'RE IN SPECIALTY BUSINESS AND WE REQUIRE SPECIALIZED TRAINING, NOT ONLY WITH ELECTRIC UTILITY, WATER, RESOURCES, FIRE, POLICE, EVERY DISCIPLINE WE HAVE, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE THAT TRAINING TO STAY ON TOP OF OUR GAME.

0.2% OF THE ENTIRE BUDGET IS, IS DEDICATED TO THE TRAINING.

MR. HUG, IF YOU GOOD FOR A FEW MINUTES, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT OUR CEMETERY PROS AND, UM, VISION AS FOR FUTURE WITH MAINTENANCE AND REVENUE RESOURCE AND ET CETERA? SO THE FUTURE WITH OUR CEMETERIES AND, AND I'LL SAY OVER AT, UM, GREENWOOD CEMETERY, UH, THAT IS WHERE WE'RE SELLING PLOTS CURRENTLY OUT OF, OF THE FUTURE IN CEMETERY BUSINESS ARE COLUMN VARIS.

UM, THOSE WERE SEEN CREMATIONS ON THE RISE THROUGHOUT.

AND WHAT WE'LL BE RECOMMENDING AT SOME POINT, IT'S NOT IN THIS BUDGET AS I'M TALKING ABOUT IT WHEN IT COMES TO PARK AND RECREATION, IS THE GULF OF COLUMN VARIS, UH, OVER AT, UH, CEDAR GROVE CEMETERY ON THE, ON THE ANNEX.

THERE'S SPACE FOR THAT.

AND OVER AT GREENWOOD CEMETERY AS WELL AS EVERGREEN CEMETERY, THERE IS AVAILABLE SPACE OVER THERE FOR THAT.

UM, WE'RE NOT PERPETUAL CARE CEMETERY BY STATE STATUTE DEFINITIONS.

HOWEVER, UH, THE CITY OWNS FIVE CEMETERIES.

WE DO MAINTAIN THOSE.

THAT IS A CONSIDERABLE EXPENSE TO MOW, UM, AND MAINTAIN, UH, THOSE, BUT THAT'S THE COST OF OWNING A CEMETERY.

UM, WE, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT FEES AND CHARGES SHORTLY.

WE ARE IN LINE WITH WHAT OTHER, UH, CEMETERIES CHARGE FOR FOR BURIALS AND THINGS AS WELL.

THIS ISN'T REALLY A QUESTION, IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT ON TRAVEL TRAINING.

UM, AND I HAD ASKED THIS EARLIER, I WASN'T GONNA SAY ANYTHING UNTIL I GOT THE EMAIL YESTERDAY FROM BAKER TILL ABOUT MY QUESTION DIFFERENTIATING COLA FOR CERTAIN, UH, CLASSIFICATIONS OF EMPLOYEE.

AND I GOT AN ENTIRE MEMO ON MORALE.

AND SO MY QUESTION BECOMES, WHEN YOU LOOK AT TRAINING, AND WE HAVE FOLKS GOING OUT OF STATE FOR VARIOUS TRAININGS, I MEAN, I, I PRACTICE ACROSS THE STATE AND NORTH CAROLINA LOCAL GOVERNANCE AND YOU KNOW, THE TRAINING I GO TO IS IN CHAPEL HILL, UM, TO STAY UP TO DATE ON THOSE CHANGES.

WHEN I LOOK AT SOME OF THE OUT-OF-STATE TRAINING, THAT LEADS ME TO WONDER WHAT IS THAT DOING FROM AROUND? THIS IS A VERY LARGE BUDGET FOR TRAINING.

NOW I DO IT RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S, WHAT DID YOU SAY, 0.2% OF IT.

UM, DO YOU SEE, AS FAR AS FOR THE SEALING YEAR, ANY POSSIBILITIES OF, UH, GRANT ASSISTANCE OR, UM, GRANT WRITING, UH, BE IT IN-HOUSE OR THROUGH, UM, INDIVIDUAL FREELANCE THAT THE CITY ITSELF THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND ARE THROUGH ABILITY TO PROCURE GRANTS FUNDING FOR ASSISTANCE AND SUPPORT OF THE MANY VOLUNTEER GROUPS THAT ARE HELPING, PARTICULARLY IN THE INNER CITY TO RESTORE, UM, MINIMUM PROPERTY STANDARDS AND, AND SAFETY SANITARY CONDITIONS FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

AND SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, BUT TO THE EXTENT WE CAN PRIORITIZE IN-STATE TRAINING, I THINK THAT NOT ONLY WILL THAT CUT DOWN ON COST, BUT THAT MAKES MORE SENSE AND CAN BE EXPLAINED TO NOT JUST OO OTHER STAFF MEMBERS, BUT ALSO THE CITIZENS WHEN THEY LOOK AT THIS BUDGET AND START TO ASK THESE KIND OF QUESTIONS.

I, I THINK THAT I ASKED ANY DEPARTMENT HEAD TO COME UP HERE AS WELL.

I, AND I BELIEVE IN THIS, THE MAJORITY OF TRAINING THAT YOU SEE IS HELD IN NORTH CAROLINA OR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

WHEN YOU SEE TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S FOR SPECIALIZED TRAINING THAT IS NOT OFFERED IN OUR AREA OR OR TRAINING THAT STAFF NEEDED TO GO TO.

IT'S NOT OFFERED AT THE TIME THAT'S CONDUCIVE FOR THEM.

FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL PICK ON MINE, THE ANNUAL CAROLINAS PAYROLL CONFERENCE IN MYRTLE BEACH.

THAT'S NOT OFFERED HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA, BUT NORTH CAROLINA, SOUTH CAROLINA AT, AT THAT, UH, DESTINATION.

WE WANT THAT WE WANT YEAH.

CHANGES THAT ARE COMING.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS? AND PLEASE, I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY.

THIS IS A WORKSHOP, SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU HAVE COMMENTS.

IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THINGS, THAT THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR.

UM, I ALWAYS IN CITY GOVERNMENT, UH, WHEN GRANT OPPORTUNITIES ARE AVAILABLE, PARTICULARLY, UH, GOLDEN LEAF AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN OUR CITY THAT ACTUALLY, UM, HAVE A POSITIVE EFFECT ON THE VALOR TAX BASE OF $4.5 BILLION IN VALOR VIOLENTLY.

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UH, SO WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS RIGHT NOW WE'RE MANAGING 24 GRANTS IN THE CITY.

WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR GRANTS TO APPLY FOR THAT, THAT FIT WITHIN OUR MODEL.

AND THERE ARE GRANTS SUCH AS THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO APPLY FOR THOSE.

AND AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY PARTNERS WITH A VARIETY OF, OF GROUPS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.

SO IF YES, IF THERE ARE THINGS AVAILABLE LIKE THAT AND IT WORKS OUT, WE'RE WE'RE HAPPY TO PARTNER.

I I DIDN'T KNOW IF, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IF UNDER ONE UMBRELLA OF THE CITY COULD, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE GOLDEN LEAVE FOR SOMETHING, UM, A SIMILAR MANY VOLUNTEER GROUPS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN OUR CITY AND, AND MORE EFFECTIVELY PROCURE GRANT FUNDING, PARTICULARLY THROUGH LIKE GOLDEN LEAF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT GOLDEN LEAF HAS, HAS GRANTS AVAILABLE OR WHAT CRITERIA.

AND WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT FOSTER OR KIM IN THE FUTURE.

I DON'T WANNA BE TOO BURDENSOME, BUT HOW, HOW DIFFICULT WOULD IT BE TO NOTATE WHICH ONE OF THESE ARE REQUIRED? WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH, WITH FIRE, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED, BUT I KNOW THAT LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE, I'M GONNA GUESS THAT THERE'S NOT REQUIREMENTS ON THESE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THE FUTURE FOR FUTURE BOARDS, UM, AND FOR US NEXT YEAR, LET YOU PROCESS TO SEE WHAT YOU REQUIRE, UM, VERSUS WHAT YES, SIR.

YOUR HONOR, I WOULD REFINE THAT TO WHAT ITEMS, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST BUILDING ON THAT, UM, OUR STATE MANDATE, FEDERAL MANDATE, OR IF THEY ARE TRADE ASSOCIATION MANDATES, ET CETERA, UM, TO JUST SAY SOMETHING'S REQUIRED.

THERE'S YEAH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PUT A FERGUSON WORK.

I'M JUST SHAKING MY HEAD.

NO, I AGREE.

I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE REQUIRED, IT'S NOT, IT'S THE, IF YOU NEED IT FOR YOUR LICENSE OR CERTIFICATION OR IF IT'S FEDERAL AND, AND STATE MANDATE IS WHAT I, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BY REQUIRED.

YEP.

WE DO HOST TRAININGS QUITE OFTEN, ESPECIALLY MOST RECENTLY WE HOST STUDENT FORUM WITH A SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT MUNICIPALITIES WE HOST.

SO I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S QUITE A BIT, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IN LAW ENFORCEMENT YOU GO THROUGH MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TRAININGS AND WHILE, WHILE IT MIGHT NOT BE REQUIRED FOR EVERYONE TO BE CIT TRAINED, YOU KNOW, A, A STATE REQUIREMENT, I KNOW THAT THAT IS REQUIRED FOR OTHER ACCREDITATIONS AND IS A GOOD IDEA FOR CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING FOR CERTAIN OFFICERS.

SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF TRAININGS REQUIRED STRONGLY RECOMMENDED BECAUSE IT'S DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, THE OUTWARD FACING LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES TO SEE THOSE TYPES WHILE NOT REQUIRED ARE, THAT'S TO ME THE, THE PIECE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

DO YOU FUND THOSE? DO YOU NOT FUND THOSE? IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT, I'LL, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT NOW.

I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR I'M LOOKING AT FOR REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S REQUIRED.

I, I JUST, I LOOK AT THIS AND IF THERE'S WAYS TO CUT COST ON THE OUT OF STATE TRAVEL TO, YOU KNOW, NEW ORLEANS, LAS VEGAS, FORT MYERS, IF THERE'S WAYS TO CUT THAT OUT SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE IN-STATE TRAINING FOR, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEES WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, FIRST LEVEL SUPERVISORS OR SOME OTHER LEVEL OF TRAINING, UM, FOCUSING ON ORGANIZATION DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THAT'S MONEY BETTER SPENT THAN GOING TO THOSE TYPES OF CONFERENCES, FRANKLY, OR A COMMENT THAT NOTHING FOR THIS BUDGET, BUT I DO THINK JUST MOVING FORWARD, THAT TO ME BE A PRIORITY.

AND THEN JUST RELATED, HOW MUCH EFFORT CAN WE MAKE AS A CITY TO HOST TRAININGS? AND

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SO YES, WHENEVER WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY, WE TOUT, AND THIS IS A, A GOOD AREA FOR, FOR TRAINING, MATTER FACT, NATIONAL, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE.

OFFICER, WHERE'S THE, UM, NC LM CITY VISION CONFERENCE THAT IS IN RALEIGH? I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY.

I KNOW WE'VE GOT, LOOKS LIKE YOU, MARVIN AND BRENDA .

WHY IS THAT SO EXPENSIVE? 6,000.

WHERE YOU LOOKING AT? UH, PAGE 43 AT THE TIME WE BUDGET, WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHERE THE LOCATION, WHAT CHANGE THIS YEAR IT'S IN RALEIGH, SO IT'LL BE MUCH LESS THAN THAT.

BUT NEXT YEAR WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S NEXT YEAR.

DO THEY HOLD THAT OUTSIDE OF NORTH CAROLINA? NO.

SO, AND THEN, YEAH, YEAH.

UM, I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY REALLY LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN, BUT THE $10,000 FOR THE LINE WORKERS RODEO, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO OUR PAYING ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE HAD MULTIPLE RATE INCREASES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS? FOR OUR LINEMEN TO GO TO A RODEO, I HAVE THE DIRECTOR JOB, AND IT'S CALLED A, A RODEO, BUT IT'S A TRAINING EVENT, UM, WHERE THEY PRACTICE THEIR SKILLS.

THERE'S A COUPLE DAYS OF CLASSROOM TRAINING, AND THEN THEY GO TO THE FIELD AND THEY COMPETE FOR TIME WITH CAMARADERIE AND THEY SHARING, UH, SKILLS AND, UM, LESSONS LEARNED AND BEST PRACTICES.

SO IT'S NOT JUST A PURE, UM, RODEO FOR SAKE OF A RODEO YEAR.

WHO'S IT LOCATED? VARIES FROM YOUR YEAR? UM, THIS YEAR, I THINK IT WAS IN HUNTERSVILLE, IN WHERE? I THINK THIS YEAR IT'S IN HUNTERSVILLE.

NEXT YEAR, I, AND ON THIS BASIC LINEMAN SCHOOL, THIRD CLASS ELECTRIC GROUND WORKERS FOR $14,000, HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD YOU, WOULD THAT TRAINING? HOW MANY PEOPLE BETTER THAT TRAINING? JUST DEPENDS HOW MANY, HOW MUCH TURNOVER I HAVE.

I, I DON'T HOW MANY GROUND MEN DID I LOSE AND HAVE TO START RETRAINING.

SO THIS IS A LIKE A REQUIRED TRAINING FOR A NEW EMPLOYEE? CORRECT.

IF YOU YEAH.

TO GET THE GROUNDING CREDENTIALS AND IT'S A BUDGET, I DON'T KNOW, AM I GONNA HAVE TO TRAIN ONE GROUNDMAN THIS YEAR OR IF I GONNA TO TRAIN THREE GROUND MEN? ALL DEPENDS ON, THAT'S WHY YOU WILL SEE, AND ESPECIALLY THE ELECTRIC UTILITY, THEY HAVE A LARGE BUDGET, JUST LIKE CHARLIE SAID, DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE TURNOVER, BUT THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT, THOSE FUNDS IN PLACE JUST IN CASE.

IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY DON'T NEED IT, THEY DON'T USE IT.

, UM, OR THEY WANT TEACH AN INTRODUCTORY SIX MONTHS COURSE.

AND THOSE DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

AND THOSE TRAININGS FOR THE LINE IS DIFFERENT, I MEAN LEVELS FOR REQUIRED FOR CERTAIN CERTIFICATIONS.

CAN YOU TALK LITTLE ABOUT THAT? CORRECT.

YOU, YOU START OFF WITH, UH, UM, UNSKILLED ENTITLED GROUND, AND THEN YOU HAVE GROUND QUALIFICATION TRAINING.

YOU GO TO CLASS AND THERE'S, THERE'S SCHOOL BOOK TRAINING AND THEN THERE'S, UM, FIELD TRAINING, NUMBER OF HOURS PERFORMING TRAINING SUPERVISOR HAS TO SIGN UP ON IT.

AND THAT SAME PROGRESS GOES THEN FOR THIRD CLASS, SAME TYPE SITUATION, SECOND CLASS AND FIRST CLASS.

IF, IF THE, IF WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A PROGRAM WITH THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE TO TRAIN TO, TO PROVIDE THESE KIND OF CLASSES, IS THAT LOOKING AT JUST AS LIKE AN UNSKILLED AND FILL THAT NEED OR WOULD IT ALSO INCLUDE SOME UPPER LEVEL? WELL, THE SCHOOL WOULD'VE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT THEY WANNA DO.

THERE'S SOME CLASSES OUT THERE THAT WILL, YOU'LL HIRE SOMEBODY THAT HASN'T BEEN GROUND IN TRAINING BUT HAS GONE THROUGH A SIX MONTH ORIENTATION TOOL, UM, OF COURSE IN JACKSONVILLE.

SO THEY KNOW SOME BASIC HAND TOOLS.

THEY'VE GOTTEN UP ON A POLE.

UM, THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO.

UM, WE'RE STARTING OFF COMING TO US WITH SOME, UM, BASIC, UH, FAMILIARITY.

AND THEN THE LEVEL OF EDUCATION GOES BEYOND THAT.

SO IF COMMUNITY COLLEGE WERE TO TEACH THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT PROGRAM THEY WANT TO TEACH.

THEY WANNA TEACH IT FROM TRAVELING THROUGH

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DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH.

WHAT IS, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING AS THE BIGGEST NEED FOR THESE, THE TRAININGS YOU HAVE BUDGETED FOR THE BIGGEST NEED? UM, IT'S ALL IMPORTANT THAT OSHA, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S GOTTA DO THAT.

THAT SAFETY IS NUMBER ONE ALWAYS.

UM, AND SKILL LEVEL QUALIFICATIONS ARE THROUGH GROUND, THROUGH JOURNEY AND ALSO, UM, VARIOUS SKILL LEVEL TRAININGS THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION FOR DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT POSITIONS, BOTH AS LEADERSHIP TRAINING, SUPERVISORY TRAINING.

WE, WE, PEOPLE FIND THEMSELVES IN SUPERVISORY POSITION AND GIVE, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO TRY TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT BEING SUPERVISOR MEANS AND GIVE THEM SOME OF THOSE SKILL SETS.

SO JUST CONTINUING PROFESSIONAL EDUCATION, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT.

UM, YES, IT NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT.

LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, CHARLIE, ON, ON THINGS LIKE THAT, ON LEADERSHIP, EMPLOYEE DEVELOPMENT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU AS THE DEPARTMENT HEAD DETERMINE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HR FIGURES THE DEPARTMENT HEAD AMONG STAFF? CORRECT.

WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS FREQUENTLY, WHAT SOMEBODY MAY NEED FOR PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S EVEN AVAILABLE.

WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS GO AHEAD AND TURN OVER TO PAGE 55 AND GO THROUGH THE DEPARTMENTS AND WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED AND THEN YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

BUT WHAT, AND THIS IS MORE TO THE GROUP, I MEAN, ISN'T THAT JEFF, TO YOUR POINT, ISN'T THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DEPARTMENT, I MEAN, CITYWIDE WITH VARIOUS DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, THE NEED FOR, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SUPERVISOR THAT SUPERVISORY TRAINING, IT'S ALSO VERY INDIVIDUAL TOO.

UM, I MIGHT HAVE SOMEBODY THAT, UM, NEEDS MORE OR LESS, UM, AND THAT TRAINING PLAN THAT THAT ASSESSMENT SHOULD BE PERSONALIZED TO, TO THEIR SKILL AND THEIR POSITION PRESSURE.

AND THE CITY DOES OFFER STANDARDIZED TRAINING FOR, FOR ENTRY LEVEL SUPERVISORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE HAVE A, A ROBUST, I BELIEVE IT WAS WITH THE, IT MAY BE WITH THE LEAGUE THAT WE HAVE A VIDEO SERIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE, WE WORK THROUGH ON A VARIETY OF TRAININGS, BUT EACH DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE ITS OWN NEEDS AND EACH DEPARTMENT IS UNIQUE AND, AND, AND, AND IN CERTAIN INSTANCES YOU CAN'T COMPARE 'EM ALL TO THE SAME, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SUPERVISION ASPECT BECAUSE SOME ARE CITIZEN FACING DEPARTMENTS, SOME ARE NOT VARIETY OF FACTORS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT? IF NOT, IF YOU'RE READY TO GO TO CAPITAL, YOU CAN TURN TO PAGE 51 FOR THAT.

SO IT MAY BE THROUGH THAT NEXT SLIDE.

SO WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THE CAPITAL EXPENSE SUMMARY ON THIS.

SO FINANCING CONSISTS OF VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT, AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS WITH A USEFUL LIFE OF FIVE YEARS OR GREATER.

THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION BEST PRACTICE IS TO PAY CASH FOR ALL OPERATING CAPITAL AND TO ONLY FINANCE LONGER REUSABLE LIFE EQUIPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIS ENSURES THE ASSET IS STILL IN SERVICE DURING THE REPAYMENT PERIOD, RATHER THAN LEAVING FUTURE TAXPAYERS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEV AND ASSET NO LONGER IN USE WHEN IT'S FEASIBLE, THE CITY DOES PAY CASH FOR THESE ITEMS. UM, TRADITIONALLY EVERY YEAR WE DO FINANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, WHICH WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN IN A MOMENT.

POLICE CAR, IF WE FINANCE THOSE FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, THOSE POLICE CARS HAVE BETWEEN A FIVE AND SIX YEAR, UH, LIFESPAN DEPENDING.

BUT OVERALL, WHAT THIS YEAR WE RECEIVED, UH, REQUEST $13 MILLION IN CAPITAL.

UM, AND I'VE RECOMMENDED $7.1 MILLION IN CAPITAL.

4 MILLION OF THAT IS BEING PAID FOR IN CASH.

OUR GOAL, ESPECIALLY WITH ENTERPRISE FUNDS, ARE TO PAY FOR ALL CAPITAL SUCH AS THIS WITH CASH.

THE EXCEPTION THIS YEAR WAS SOLID WASTE.

THEY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS, UM, IN, IN THEIR FUND BALANCE AND CASH ON HAND TO BE ABLE TO COVER THAT EXPENDITURE.

SO A LOAN FOR THAT AND THE GENERAL FUND, FIVE $50,000 IN CASH AND THE REMAINDER IS THROUGH LOANS.

AND SO ON PAGE 51, YOU'RE GONNA SEE ALL THE CAPITAL REQUESTS.

UM, THE DEPARTMENTS ALSO DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS FILL OUT A FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN THAT SHOULD BE IN FRONT OF YOUR BOOK AND I'M SURE YOU THAT SINCE BUDGET PRESENTATION ON, ON THE 14TH.

SO YOU'LL SEE SOME INFORMATION WITH THAT.

AND

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OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE HAVE SEEN TECHNOLOGY, UH, THE EXPENSES INCREASE CONSISTENTLY.

AND IT'S BECAUSE OUR, OUR WORLD IS, IS REVOLVING TOWARD TECHNOLOGY AS OPPOSED TO PENCIL AND PAPER.

AND WITH TECHNOLOGY, THAT EQUIPMENT IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.

AND SO OTHER REQUESTS TO REPLACE THREE THINGS, THE, UH, ONE RENEW THE EXISTING TELEPHONE SYSTEM, REPLACE FIREWALLS AND TO MIGRATE SECURITY SERVERS TO THE CLOUD, WHICH IS WHERE THAT TECHNOLOGY IS GOING.

SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING ALL THOSE TAKE PLACE.

SO WE DO NOT HAVE A DISRUPTION TO SERVICES REAL, REAL QUICK ON THE IT, SO WE HAVE THIS EXPANDED CAPITAL OUTLAY FOR IT, BUT ONLY ONE PERSON THAT'S MANAGING THE NETWORK FOR RIGHT NOW, SO RIGHT.

PROBABLY SO OUT OF, OUT OF HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE IN THAT PART.

YES, YES.

AND THERE'S, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE, THAT WAS A REQUEST TO HAVE THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

AS AN ADDITIONAL POSITION THAT'S CORRECT.

TO GET A 24 7 SERVICE.

UM, WELL I THINK I'LL DEPEND ON WHAT THE EVENT IS.

AND THAT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THEM UNLESS WE INCREASE OUR, OUR AVALOR TAX RATE OR WE CUT ANOTHER DEPARTMENT IN GENERAL FUND, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT BASED ON THE REVENUES THAT WE HAVE.

WHEN WE LOOK AT, ESPECIALLY THE GENERAL FUND, WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT PIE, UH, AVALOR TAXES, SALES TAXES, FEES AND CHARGES THAT WE, THAT WE RECEIVE, WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE NEEDS FROM EVERY ONE OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS.

AND WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY TO GO AROUND.

AND AT THIS TIME IT'S A RECOMMENDATION WAS SOLELY BASED ON COST, NOT NEED.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

FOSTER, ARE THERE, I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST ABOUT POTENTIALLY RELOCATING IT, UM, BECAUSE IT BEING ON THE THIRD FLOOR FROM CITY HALL SINCE WE ADDED THE ELEVATOR, I THINK THAT HELPED WITH THAT.

BUT IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT ASPECT OR ARE WE GOING TO PLAN ON LEAVING IT WHERE IT IS OR NOT? UH, I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS.

WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS, UM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, TALKING WITH THE ASSISTANT MANAGER, UM, AFTER WE BROUGHT THIS UP TO, TO DURING THE, UM, BUDGET WORKSHOPS, STAFF DID NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES AND THEN THEY CAME BACK TO THE ASSISTANT MANAGER AND, AND TALKED ABOUT ISSUES THAT THEY HAD WITH THAT BASED ON THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY HOUSED ON THE, UH, THIRD FLOOR UP THERE.

SO WE'VE JUST GOT TO ANALYZE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON TECHNOLOGY? OKAY, SO IN PD WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE REPLACEMENT OF NINE LEASE VEHICLES, ONE MOTORCYCLE, A LIVE SCAN SYSTEM, WHICH CAPTURES FINGERPRINTS.

WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING A REAL TIME CRIME CENTER.

THE COST FOR THE CRIME CENTER IS $62,200.

I THINK THAT THIS, THIS IS CUTTING THE EDGE AND WHERE THINGS ARE GOING.

HOWEVER, WHAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IS ONE, IT WAS GONNA TAKE ANOTHER POSITION AND WE DIDN'T RECEIVE INFORMATION ON WHEN THAT POSITION WOULD BE MANNING THOSE CAMERAS TO, TO MAKE AN IMPACT.

AND SO WE NEEDED IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLESHED OUT.

AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FUNDING, PUBLIC SAFETY CURRENTLY TAKES UP 49% OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET.

AND SO WE JUST DIDN'T SEE THIS BEING A TOP PRIORITY.

WE DID RECOMMEND THE A ST MOBILE VEHICLE BARRIERS.

UM, WE KIND OF GOT SPOILED THIS PAST YEAR, BORROWING THESE THINGS FROM MOREHEAD CITY.

THEY'RE EASY TO SET UP.

IT'S A ONE PERSON OPERATION.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE A PICTURE OF THAT WHERE THE STAFF CAN PUT THOSE OUT AT, AT, UM, ENTRANCES TO HELP PREVENT VEHICLES FROM CRASHING THROUGH THERE.

WE DID NOT RECOMMEND THE $229,000 SWAT VAN.

WE DID NOT RECOMMEND THE PEDESTRIAN BARRIERS IN THE AMOUNT OF $18,623.

THE MAIN REASON WE DID NOT RECOMMEND THAT IS BECAUSE THAT REQUIRES, UH, WORK ON PART OF THE PUBLIC WORKS HAVING COME OUT AS WELL TO FILL THOSE, BRING THOSE BARRIERS OUT, FILL THEM UP WITH WATER, DRAIN THOSE THINGS AND RESTORE THEM AT THE END.

SO IT'S IT'S NOT JUST A, HEY, LET'S PUT IT OUT, IT IT, IT TAKES A LOT MORE AND WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE A NEED IN THAT.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE THINGS SET UP WITH, UM, WE'VE HAD CONCRETE BARRIERS.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME WATER BARRIERS THAT WE USE FROM TIME TO TIME AS WELL BASED ON THE NEED.

HOW MANY, HOW MANY OF THOSE WOULD BE UTILIZED DOWNTOWN, THE PEDESTRIAN BARRIERS?

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UM, THE RE THE REASON I'VE ASKED, I THINK I SHARED WITH YOU IN THE PAST FEW YEARS AGO, UM, GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, THEIR DOWNTOWN, THEY CLOSE THE STREETS OFF FREQUENTLY AND THEY HAVE THESE BASES THAT ARE AT GROUND LEVEL AND THEN YOU GO, YOU SCREW THE BARRIER ON, YOU'RE GONNA CLOSE THE STREET AND IT'S, IT'S VERY EASY TO INSTALL AND IT FALLS WENT INTO THE MSD BOUNDARIES.

SO THAT'S THE REASON I'M ASKING IF THERE'S A TRUE NEED FOR THAT, THAT'S A TANGIBLE ITEM THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, BENEFICIAL FOR, FOR SAFETY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW IT COMPARES TO THIS PRICING, BUT, WELL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE'VE TALKED WITH THE FEDERAL COURTS QUITE A BIT ON, ON THE, ON, ON THE THAT BASICALLY YEAH.

IN THE GROUND, UH, THAT YOU PRESS A BUTTON AND THEY POP UP, WHICH WE LIKE THOSE MORE.

UM, AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT COMES TO THE MSD AT SOME POINT.

YEAH, I'M, I'M BEING A LITTLE MORE FRUGAL THOUGH BECAUSE YOU CAN GO SCREW 'EM IN 'EM VERSUS A BUTTON THAT RAISE THEM UP AND DOWN.

SO MOVING ON POLICE, UH, THEY REQUEST A PHASE TWO OF THEIR, THEIR SHELVING PROJECT.

AND SO I DID NOT RECOMMEND THAT AT THIS TIME.

ANY QUESTIONS ON POLICE? THIS IS A, NOT FOR POLICE, BUT A GENERAL REQUEST MOVING FORWARD FROM THE BUDGET, JUST LIKE THE TRAINING SHOWING THE REQUIRED, IF WE CAN SH IF WE CAN SEE HOW DEPARTMENT HEADS RANKED THE CAPITAL REQUEST.

I KNOW WE HAVE YOU HAD THAT.

I KNOW WE HAVE IT IN THE, IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO FIGURE OUT.

WE HAVE IT IN THE SEPARATE SPREADSHEET, BUT IF WHEN YOU'RE PUT COMPILING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, IT COULD BE ADDED TO IT.

IT'S AN ORDER OF RAMP.

IT'S AN ORDER, RIGHT.

CAN I BACK UP ON THE QUESTION REAL QUICK ON THESE, UM, MOBILE VEHICLE BARRIERS? I, I'M TRYING TO READ IT REAL QUICK FROM HERE.

DO THESE, ARE THESE JUST BARRICADES OR DO THEY, THEY STOP A VEHICLE? I'M GONNA ASK THE CHIEF TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT, UH, PLEASE.

SO YES, THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY, UH, DESIGNED TO STOP VEHICLES, UM, AT HIGH RATES OF SPEED.

UM, THEY ARE DESIGNED TO BE MORE MOBILE.

THE PROBLEM WITH USING OLD SCHOOL TECHNOLOGY LIKE A CONCRETE BARRIER, A CONCRETE BARRIER IS NOT DESIGNED FOR THAT PURPOSE.

IN FACT, IF YOU HAVE A LARGE ENOUGH VEHICLE, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS JUST DRIVE UP TO THE BAR GATE AND JUST PUSH IT ASIDE.

ONE MIGHT THINK, WELL, THAT THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT, IT'S POSSIBLE.

SO THESE ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR THAT PURPOSE.

SO IF IF SOMEONE, IF WE PUT 'EM UP ACROSS THE STREET AND A CAR DECIDES THEY WANTED TO RUN THROUGH 'EM, IT WILL PHYSICALLY STOP THE VEHICLE.

WE DID RECOMMEND SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS.

IN FACT, I CAN SEND YOU YOUTUBE VIDEOS, UH, BUT MULTIPLE VEHICLES THAT HAVE ATTEMPTED THAT, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T JUST TO DETOUR TRAFFIC.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD STOP A VEHICLE FROM TRYING TO RUN THROUGH THE LINE.

AND I, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DON'T MAKE THIS POINT, UM, PUBLIC WORKS DOES A GREAT JOB OF PUTTING OUT WHAT WE DO HAVE THE ASSETS, THE CONCRETE BARRIERS, BUT THEY TAKE A GREAT DEAL OF EFFORT TO GET THEM TO THE LOCATION TAKES FORKLIFTS AND EVERYTHING TO PLACE THEM INTO PLACE.

BUT AT THE POINT IN WHICH WE NEED THOSE MOVED FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE, AN AMBULANCE, A FIRE TRUCK, THEN GEORGE HAS TO GET STAFF OUT THERE WITH YET THE FORKLIFT TO MOVE IT OUT OF THE WAY.

THESE BARRICADES ARE SET UP TO, TO ALLOW ONE PERSON TO BE ABLE TO MOVE IT OUT OF THE WAY, UM, VERY QUICKLY TO FACILITATE THE MOVING OF UH, UH, ADDITIONAL PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES.

THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON POLICE? ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO FIRE.

WE DID NOT RECOMMEND THE FIRE TRUCK IN THIS BUDGET.

WE RECENTLY JUST PURCHASED ONE, WHICH SHOULD BE HERE, UM, WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE ONE ON ORDER, WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL BE HERE IN THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS.

WE DID RECOMMEND FUNDING OF THE ADDITIONAL TAKEN OUT WALL COVERING FOR THE FIRE TOWER.

WE RECOMMEND THE REPLACEMENT OF A, UH, 18 SERVICE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT OF A BOAT MOTOR.

WE DID NOT RECOMMEND A MINI

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FIRE TRUCK.

WE DID NOT RECOMMEND THE MICE TRUCK STABILIZATION EQUIPMENT.

BASICALLY BECAUSE OF THE, UM, PRIORITY OF THE BUDGET, WE DID RECOMMEND CONCRETE REAR APRON TO BE REPLACED AT THE, UH, FIRE STATION AND $150,000 THAT OVER THE LAST, THIS REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS AND WE'VE SEEN THE CONCRETE CONSISTENTLY DEGRADE OVER THOSE YEARS.

WE DID RECOMMEND, UM, ADDING CONCRETE TO THE DRIVEWAY, UH, ON ELIZABETH AVENUE BECAUSE THAT ASPHALT IS CONSISTENTLY, UM, UH, DEGRADING AS WELL.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR ? I CAN'T BELIEVE HE DIDN'T FUND THE MAYBERRY CLA BRI DATA TRAIL.

I, I WOULD LOVE TO.

MATTER OF FACT, WHEN I SAW I'M, WHEN I SAW THIS AT, AT AN EVENT, I THOUGHT, HEY, THIS LOOKS GREAT.

I DID ASK CHIEF, CHIEF GET A PRICE ON IT AND THEN WHEN HE BROUGHT IT BACK AND UH, 'CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ENGAGEMENT WITH KIDS, BUT IT IS, IT IS A GREAT, THEY HAVE A GREAT FIRE PREVENTION PROGRAM.

ABSOLUTELY.

BUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DOLLARS AND CENTS, WE'VE GOTTA MAKE OUR, I WOULD FIND GRANT FOR OR FUNDRAISER THE MAYOR PUT INTO THAT.

I'LL PASS ON THAT ONE, BUT, UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

HOW OFTEN IS THE VOTE USED? UH, IF I COULD ANSWER THE FIRE CHIEF COME UP, WHICH THE, SO THE BOATS ARE USED PRETTY FREQUENTLY, ESPECIALLY AS WE START GETTING INTO THE SUMMER MONTHS.

UH, RIGHT ISLANDS WARMED UP, SO WE GET WATER RESCUES QUITE OFTEN.

THAT PARTICULAR BOAT IS ALSO ONE THAT'S USED WHEN WE USE THE ROAD PROGRAM, WHICH IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH PV.

SO ANYTIME WE'RE LOOKING, UH, TO PUT THAT INTO WATER AS FAR AS EVIDENCE OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD CONSISTENT WITH, SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY PURPOSE USE FOR THAT .

BUT ACROSS THE BOARD, UM, FROM THE TIME WE START SEEING THIS PART OF THE YEAR ALL THE WAY THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE SUMMER MONTHS, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY FREQUENT THAT WE GET CAUGHT OUT FOR A FEW TYPE INCIDENTS.

AND IS THAT LIKE A, IS THAT A JOINT CALL WHEN SOMEBODY'S DISTRESSED ON THE WATER THAT WE RESPOND ALONG WITH ANOTHER AGENCY? WILDLIFE? MOST TIMES IT'S US, UH, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION.

SO THERE ARE TIMES FROM EACH WAY ASSIST THAT WE MIGHT GET CALLED IN STUFF, YOU KNOW, COAST GUARD WHARF OR WILDLIFE.

UH, IT JUST DEPENDS.

UM, SO, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE UNION POINT AREA BACK TO AROUND LOGAN STREET, MOST OF THE TIME THAT'S PRIMARILY US.

SO IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE JURISDICTION IN THE WATER.

'CAUSE THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH BOATS THAT WOULD BE LEFT THERE AND WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S GONNA CLEAN 'EM UP.

BUT WE RESPOND.

IS IT HALFWAY TO THE RIVER OR IS IT JUST ANYWHERE WITHIN OUR WATERFRONT? IT, IT IS KIND OF A DISTANCE.

UH, I, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT LINES FOR YOU.

BUT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A MUTUAL AID ASSIST.

UM, ONCE WE GET TO A CERTAIN POINT, THEN OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE WHATEVER SD CAPABILITY, BUT IF IT'S RIGHT OFF THE WATERFRONT BRIDGES, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE IN A PRIMARY LOCATION AS FAR AS A QUICKER RESPONSE, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE INSPECT.

AND THE LAST QUESTION IS, THE MOTOR THAT'S ON THERE IS GONNA BE PUT ON GOV DEALS, IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS? CORRECT.

LEMME KNOW WHEN THAT GETS LISTED.

PLEASE.

WHAT ARE WE DOING THIS YEAR? IT SEEMED LIKE WE GOT THREE OR FOUR BOATS LIKE USUAL OUT IN THE WATER THERE, YOU KNOW, WE WIND UP HAVING THE REMOVAL.

UM, DO YOU GOT ANYTHING TO BUDGET OR HOW, HOW DO YOU FOUND, HAVE, IT SEEMED LIKE THERE'S QUITE FEW OUT THERE RIGHT NOW? WE DO NOT, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVEN'T HAD TO REMOVE A BOAT IN A FEW YEARS.

UH, THE LAST ONE WE REMOVED WAS BASICALLY RIGHT OFF CREEK PARK.

UM, TRADITIONALLY WHEN WE HAD TO DO THAT, THE COST THAT WE HAVE INCUR, OBVIOUSLY IT'S LABOR, BUT IT'S OF THE TIPPING FEES OF THE LANDFILL.

I THINK THAT LAST ONE WE DID DOWN THERE AT THE TIME, WE CRUNCHED IT AND HAD TO GET AN EXCAVATOR, WHATEVER, AND TIPPING FEES LIKE ABOUT 2,500 BUCKS.

BY BEING COMPLAINT DRIVEN.

AND DURING HURRICANE FLORENCE, THERE WERE A FEW BOATS THAT WE HAD TO CONTRACT WITH FOLKS TO, TO PULL OUT.

SO THAT GOTTA BE A LITTLE BIT EXPENSIVE.

UM, AND OF COURSE THERE'S A PROCESS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH THE STATE.

WE'VE GOTTA NOTIFY WILDLIFE RESOURCES, WE'VE GOTTA NOTIFY, UM, THE COAST GUARD.

AND THEN THERE'S A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD BEFORE WE CAN DO ANYTHING BECAUSE, UH, THOSE BOAT ARE OWNED BY SOMEONE.

AND SO YOU HAVE IT, IT'S ALMOST, IT'S LIKE PULLING TEETH TO, TO GET ANY INFORMATION FROM THE BOAT OWNER.

AND, AND SO IT'S, UM, IT'S ALWAYS A PROCESS AND, AND WHEN WE PULL THOSE OUT, IT USUALLY IS GENERATED BY,

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WELL, TOO, THE, AS FAR AS HAVING THAT BOAT.

AND I JUST, I JUST WONDER IF, UH, THERE'S ENOUGH OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

I JUST KINDA WONDER ABOUT GOING AND GETTING THEM.

NOT THAT IT'S OUR PROBLEM, AND WILDLIFE AND STATE AND ASSEMBLY HAD NOT HELPED WITH IT, EXCEPT WHEN I THINK THEY HAD THAT ONE, THEY HAD A GRANT THAT THEY WENT OUT AND DID IT ALL.

UM, IF THERE'S NOT OF THAT A PLAY, I I JUST WONDER ABOUT POURING THEM OVER AND ANCHORING 'EM SOMEWHERE FOR INTERIM PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU TOUCH IT MORE TIME, HUH? ONCE YOU TOUCH IT, IT'S YOURS.

WELL, THERE'S ONE RIGHT OFF OF JACK'S ISLAND RIGHT NOW THAT'S GETTING READY TO BECOME A PROBLEM.

I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE MARINAS THAT WHEN PEOPLE DO NOT PAY THEIR RENT, THEY JUST GO OUT THERE RUN TIME AND WHO KNOWS WHERE THEY WIND UP.

AND THE ONLY THING THAT WILL DO IS GET 'EM OUT OF THEIR CHANNEL.

OTHER THAN THAT, THEY DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

THAT'S ALL THEY'LL DO.

THEY WON'T MESS WITH IT UNLESS, AND THEY MIGHT PUMP, HOWEVER, THEY MIGHT PUMP GAS OUTTA THEM DIESEL FUEL.

HOWEVER, I WAS READING AN ARTICLE, AND I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS, AS THE REASON WHY WHEN SOMEONE LEAVES THE BOAT, AN EXAMPLE OF THE ONE RIGHT BEHIND THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT, THAT THAT LITTLE CABIN BOAT WE HAD TO PULL UP WHY WE DON'T CHARGE 'EM.

WE'RE LITERALLY, AND FINALLY THE CITY OF WILMINGTON AND I SENT YOU THE ARTICLE, I SENT IT TO SCOTT, THE CITY OF WILMINGTON, FINALLY STARTED CHARGING THESE ABANDONED BOAT OWNERS FOR A, I THINK IT MIGHT BE A, AS A FELONY LITTERING CHARGE.

UM, I, I, WE OUGHT TO DO IT.

AND WE, WE HAVE A FEW OCCASIONS.

WE, WE ACTUALLY HAD ONE BOAT WHERE, UM, A SALVAGER PULLED ONE UP ON, ON, ON THE, UH, PARKING LOT OF LAWSON'S CREEK PARK AND PROCEEDED TO DISMANTLE THAT TO GET THE LEAD OUT.

AND OF COURSE THEY, THEY WERE CHARGED.

WELL, AND I THINK IF SOMEONE ABANDONS THE BOAT, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY FIND OUT WHO OWNS IT BY THE, UNLESS THEY SCRAP THE NUMBERS OFF OF IT OR SOMETHING, UH, UM, I, I THINK WE OFTEN START CHARGING 'EM AND THEN MAKING THEM PAY THE EXPENSE THAT WE'VE GOT INVOLVED IN PULLING IT OUT AND DISPOSING OF IT.

WELL, IT'S, IT'S, UH, TO ME AS MANY ABANDONED BOATS AS I'VE EVER SEEN OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR 'EM TO GO.

SO WE CAN CERTAINLY, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THE BOATS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND SEE IF WILDLIFE RESOURCES IS TAGGED IN WITH ANY NOTIFICATIONS.

WE CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT.

OFFICER ON THE, UM, THE REAR APRON AT HEADQUARTERS, THE REQUESTING AMOUNT WAS THREE 12 RECOMMENDED WAS ONE 50.

HOW, HOW ARE YOU GETTING THE PROJECT COMPLETED FOR THAT PROJECT? IT WILL MOST LIKELY BE IN TWO PHASES ON THE .

ARE WE PLANNING ON FINANCING THAT? BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE WERE.

NO.

ON THAT.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU QUALIFIED OR, YEAH, IT'S JUST THE, UM, , SO WE WERE PAYING CASH FOR THE CONCRETE UP PUBLIC LOCATIONS.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TALK ABOUT ELECTRIC AND SOME THINGS THERE.

IS THERE OTHER QUESTIONS ON FIRE? WE'LL MOVE TO PARK AND RECREATION.

THE PARK RECREATION DID, DID PUT, UH, FOR COLIN BEARING IN THEIR BUDGET WHEN WE PRESSED FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT THE DESIGN AND ACTUAL COSTS.

THIS IS JUST A PLACEHOLDER.

SO WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING THIS.

WE DO SEE THIS COMING UP THOUGH.

AND, UM, ONCE WE GET ACCURATE CALLS, IT MAY BE IN THE FORM OF A BUDGET AMENDMENT AT SOME POINT.

UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD, UH, IT WILL PAY FOR ITSELF OVER TIME.

SO A LITTLE PRESSURE AND EXPEDITE THAT.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS, I THINK AT LEAST THREE YEARS.

ALDERMAN WAS THE MAYOR WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

SO WHEN, WHEN CAN WE PUT A DEADLINE TO SAY, BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE EXPENSES THAT ACTUALLY GENERATES REVENUE UNLIKE ALMOST EVERYTHING ELSE HERE.

SO CAN WE TRY TO GET A PRIORITY TO GET THAT IN? WE, WE CAN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PLANNING ON HAVING A, UM, UH, A SUMMER RETREAT SO WE CAN HAVE SOME INFORMATION FOR THAT RETREAT AND THAT THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE ITEMS. OKAY.

MAYOR, YOUR POINT.

UM, THAT AND SEVERAL OTHER THINGS THAT ARE REVENUE PRODUCING.

UM, I, I JUST WONDER ABOUT BUNDLING THEM GET, IF WE HAD TO GET LG SEAFOOD OR NOT, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY

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UM, AND BUNDLING SAYING IN, IN PAY FOR FIVE OR 10 YEARS, WHATEVER, AND KNOWING THAT THE REVENUE STREAM IS GOING TO BE THERE, UM, FOR THESE ITEMS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS DOING, IS THERE A THRESHOLD ON WHAT YOU HAVE TO GO TO LGC FOR? IF WE'RE NOT SURE, WE COULD ASK ROCKY MOUNT.

I THINK THEY FINANCED EVERYTHING LIKE $5 LESS THAN THAT.

SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO LGC, BUT I REMEMBER IT WAS FIVE MONTHS, LESS THAN FIVE MONTHS TIME.

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE PURCHASING.

HOW LONG ARE YOU PURCHASING IT FOR? YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO.

NEXT ITEM IS GROUNDS MAINTENANCE FACILITY.

SO THEY REQUESTED $1.5 MILLION FOR THIS.

WE, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING ONE $50,000 FOR THEM TO BUILD A FEW MORE METAL BUILDINGS AT OVER ON CYPRESS STREET, WHICH IS WHERE, UM, WE RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED THE 40 BY 50 BUILDINGS TO START FROM THAT COMPLEX OVER IN THAT AREA.

CYPRESS STREET IS ADJACENT TO CEDAR GROVE CEMETERY AND IS BESIDE WHERE THE, UM, UH, COMMUNITY GARDEN IS LOCATED AND ALSO 41,000 MOWER REPLACEMENTS.

AND THEY LOOK AT REPLACING MOWERS EVERY FOUR TO FIVE YEARS BASED ON WEAR AND TEAR.

CAN WE, I I KNOW SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE, WE GOT A LIST OF ALL THE CITY VEHICLES, IT WAS LIKE AN INVENTORY.

DO WE HAVE THAT FOR MOWERS? OH YEAH.

THE REASON I'M ASKING IS THAT MAYBE I'VE JUST BEEN DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH, IT RUNS TOGETHER, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY YEAR WE'RE REPLACING MOWERS.

AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? ARE WE NOW ALMOST CYCLE LIKE WE ARE WITH POLICE CRUISERS WHERE WE'RE REPLACING WHEN WE NEED TO BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THREE MOWERS A YEAR.

I, I MEAN, I MEAN, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? I GUESS THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

HOW MANY DO WE HAVE IN THE CITY? UH, UH, MOWERS? I DON'T SEE CARRIE IN HERE.

I THINK PARKS AND RECREATION MAY HAVE ABOUT 12 MOWERS.

UM, WATER RESOURCES HAS MOWERS, PUBLIC WORKS HAS MOWERS.

THERE MAY BE, THERE MAY BE 25 MOWERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

EACH, EACH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS HAVE CERTAIN AREAS THAT THEY, THEY DO MOW.

UM, AND OF COURSE THE REPLACEMENT ON DEFINITELY MOWERS IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH WORN OUT UNITS WHEN, WHEN DEPARTMENTS REQUEST IT.

WHY DOES EVERY DEPARTMENT HAVE ITS OWN MOWING STAFF? WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT'S A, A SEASONAL DEPARTMENT OR WHATEVER TO MOW FOR THE WHOLE CITY ? WELL, YOU KNOW THAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF MOWING THAT GOES ON.

UM, AND I MENTIONED THE THREE DEPARTMENTS THAT DO THAT.

WE DID, WE'D HAVE STUDY IT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

GOTTA BE CAREFUL WHO CUTS THE CEMETERIES.

WE KNOW THAT.

YEAH, WE, WE, WE CONTRACTED CEMETERIES A FEW YEARS AGO AND THEN, SO THAT IS DONE IN HOUSE? YES.

AND IT'S, UH, UM, THEY ALWAYS HATE IT DURING THE SUMMER BECAUSE IT'S VERY DETAILED AND THE GRASS GROWS PRETTY QUICK IN THE SUMMER.

AND, UM, OFF IES ARE ON A TWO WEEK SCHEDULE.

LET'S SEE HERE.

THEY ALSO MADE A RECOMMENDATION FOR, FOR PARK PAVING, UH, FOR THE, UM, WALL CREEK BOAT LAUNCH, UH, AND LOOP AROUND JACK ISLAND.

WE, WE DID NOT PROVE THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY GETTING READY TO, UM, DO SOME UPGRADES TO THE BOAT LAUNCH BESIDES SOCCER FIELD THAT LOST AND IMPROVED.

I DO THAT IN THIS BUDGET YEAR.

WHEN ARE THEY DOING THAT? WHEN I, IT, IT'S EITHER SCHEDULED BEFORE OR AFTER MEMORIAL DAY, SO THEY'RE TRYING TO, THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID ANY OF ANY FISHING TOURNAMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE, THE LAWS WILL MOST LIKELY BE CLOSED FOR ABOUT FIVE DAYS.

SO I THINK IT WON'T BE BOTH LAUNCHES.

IT WOULD JUST BE THAT ONE.

THIS USE OVER AT LAWSON CREEK, YOU REMEMBER SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE YOU WERE PARKS REC DIRECTOR, UH, WHEN WE BUILT THAT SEVEN BLOCK, SPLIT BLOCK BUILDING? OR WAS THAT BEFORE YOUR TIME? THAT WAS BEFORE ME.

THE RESTROOMS. YES, SIR.

WE, WE JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'VE EVER UTILIZED THAT BUILDING, LIKE MAYBE WE COULD AND SHOULD, UH, I KNOW WHEN WE ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT BUILDING, WE, WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT, UM, LEASING IT OUT AND THEN SOMEBODY PROVIDE SOME HOT DOGS AND HAMBURGERS FOR, UM, DAILY OR EVENTS, WHATEVER.

HAVE YOU THOUGHT ANY MORE ABOUT BETTER UTILIZATION OF THAT BUILDING SO THAT THAT BUILDING IS USED? UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF SOCCER

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GAMES THAT GO ON THERE.

WHEN THE SOCCER GROUPS USE THAT.

THEY, THEY REQUEST TO USE THE CONCESSION STAND AS WELL.

SO IT'S USED FOR THAT.

WHEN PARKS AND RECREATION HAS EVENTS OVER THERE, THEY USE IT AS WELL FOR THAT.

SO, WELL, HERE AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A GUY YEARS AGO, UH, HAD A HOT DOG STAND OUT THERE BY WHERE PARKS AND RECS OFFICE IS, AND IT WAS VERY POPULAR.

A LOT OF PEOPLE STOPPED BY THERE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME OF US ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME GOT THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY TRYING TO GET COMPETE AGAINST PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, BUT YOU KNOW, TO GET MORE USE OF THE PARK AND FOLKS ENJOYING THE AMBIANCE AND AMENITIES OF THAT PARK.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE WERE GOING WHEN WE BUILT THAT BUILDING.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAY IT'S, IF YOU'RE SATISFIED, YOU YEAH, AND THEN OF COURSE THE, THE DIRECTOR HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTRACT WITH, WITH, UM, FOOD TRUCKS OR VENDORS TO, TO OPERATE, UH, FOR CERTAIN, CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIME IN, IN ANY OF OUR PARKS.

AND SO, WELL, I MEAN, AT THAT TIME THAT WAS REALLY ACTUALLY BEFORE THE PROLIFERATION OF FOOD TRUCKS AS TO WHERE, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF GOT OFF OF THAT IDEA IS BECAUSE FOOD TRUCKS CAME IN.

SO REALLY ALL JUST DEPENDS.

I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ALLOWED FOOD TRUCKS TO OPERATE AT PARK AND, AND WHILE THEY'RE GOING, THEY DO IT FOR IN THE ENTIRE SUMMER.

USUALLY FIZZLES OUT AFTER LITERALLY A WEEK OR TWO WHEN THEY'RE NOT SEEING CONSTANT CROWDS ALL DAY LONG EVERY DAY.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, YOU KNOW, OF INTERACTIVITY.

AND SLIP LINE REPAIR AND FORTIFICATION STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND TWO $50,000.

THERE WAS ALSO A REQUEST TO PARK SHELTER UPGRADES.

WE HAVE, UH, WE DID NOT RECOMMEND THAT PUSHING THAT OFF FOR A YEAR.

THAT STANAWAY RECREATION CENTER, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR, UM, FITNESS CYCLES.

UM, WE DID NOT RECOMMEND THAT.

THAT'S ACTUALLY, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE SOME FUNDS, UM, IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

SO THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE THE PURCHASE OF THIS YEAR.

WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY? PARDON ME? THE MAINTENANCE? YES MA'AM.

STORAGE.

SO THAT IS, THAT WILL BE OVER AT ON CYPRESS STREET, UM, NEAR CEDAR ROAD CEMETERY.

AND WE RECENTLY BILL A 45 50, UM, FOOT BUILDING 2,400 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND THAT THESE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS FOR 150,000 IS GONNA GO IN THAT SAME GENERAL AREA, UH, TO BE IN HOUSING THE PARKS AND GROUNDS MAINTENANCE STAFF.

SO THEY'RE GONNA ACTUALLY BE MOVING FROM GLENBURN.

THOSE BUILDINGS WILL STILL BE THERE FOR THEM TO HAVE STORAGE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE MOVING NEXT YEAR.

IT'LL BE A PHASE IN PROJECT.

LET'S SEE HERE.

PUBLIC WORKS COURT REQUEST FOR, UM, FOR A LARGE SERVICE SHOP.

WE DID NOT RECOMMEND THAT IN THIS BUDGET.

UM, WE DID, WE DID APPROVE, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, UH, UPGRADING ELEVATOR DOOR POLICE HEADQUARTERS FOR $50,000, UH, TO REPLACE FIREARM PANELS AT POLICE AND FIRE HEADQUARTERS FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO REPLACE, UH, THE MAIN BUILDING IN CLOCK TOWER ROOFS AT CITY HALL FOR $325,000 TO UM, EITHER REPAIR OR REPLACE OR IMPROVE GENERATORS THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN THE AMOUNT OF $300,000.

UM, TO REPLACE HVAC UNITS THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN THE AMOUNT OF $210,000 TO REPLACE A SERVICE VEHICLE FOR $75,000 TO REPLACE A SERVICE LIFT FOR $20,000 TO INCLUDE $400,000 IN ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS IS TRANSFERRED FROM THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS FUND AND $175,000 FOR A BACKHOE FOR THE STREETS DEPARTMENT TO FUND ANOTHER SERVICE VEHICLE FOR 75,000.

ANOTHER UH, DUMP TRUCK FOR $80,000 AND SOME TRAFFIC CONTROL BOXES IN THE AMOUNT OF HUNDRED $20,000.

SIDEWALK AND CURL IMPROVEMENTS IN ABOUT HUNDRED $50,000.

WE DID NOT RECOMMEND A TRAILER FOR A SECOND BACKHOE FOR THAT DEPARTMENT.

WE DO RECOMMEND, UH, EMERGENCY BACKUP PUMP FOR $15,000

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ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PUBLIC WORKS? CASHFLOW REQUESTS STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.

YOU SAID THE REQUEST IS TWO 50 AND THE PROPOSED IS A HUNDRED.

THAT DIFFERENTIAL IS THAT LESS LINE IS THAT IT CAN BE DONE CHEAPER? WHAT IS DO DO SMALLER SECTIONS THAT YEAH, MOST LIKELY BECAUSE OF FUNDING, UH, IN, IN THAT STORM WATER BUDGET WE HAVE THAT USED TO OPERATE AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND AND IN STORM WATER AND I BELIEVE THE 2020 OR 21, THE BOARD, UH, ALLOCATED AN ADDITIONAL 2 CENT TAX INCREASE TO COVER STORMWATER PROJECTS.

AND SO OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP THAT STORMWATER BUDGET TO WHATEVER THE EQUIVALENT OF 2 CENTS IS AND, UH, WORKING WITHIN THAT, THAT AMOUNT.

YOU SAID THE GOAL IS TO KEEP THE STORM WATER BUDGET WITHIN THE 2 CENTS? WITHIN 2 CENTS AT THE BOARD AT THAT TIME.

CURRENTLY MILLION.

IT'S 11 MILLION.

AND THE FIRST, IF THESE ARE IN ORDER OF PRIORITY FROM THE DEPARTMENT, THE GARAGE ADDITION, IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE HEAVY TRUCKS, FIRE ENGINES, REPAIRS.

SO THAT WAS THEIR NUMBER ONE? YES.

WELL, I'M SORRY, IT'S IN ORDER BY DIVISION.

SO THE GARAGE, THAT WAS THEIR ONLY REQUEST.

SO IT IS THE GARAGE'S NUMBER ONE, BUT STREETS MAY HAVE RANKED, YOU KNOW, HIGHER, BUT IT WAS THE ONLY REQUEST FROM THE GARAGE.

WE HAD TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL, WHAT THE OVERALL CAPITAL WAS.

THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR, I BELIEVE, UH, ON THE CAPITAL PLAN THAT THEY REQUESTED OUTSIDE BUILDING LIKE THIS.

SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO FUND THAT IN THE FUTURE YEAR.

FOSTER'S OBVIOUSLY A BIG EXPENSE FOR THE CITY HALL ROOF.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT WAS REPLACED? DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION? I BELIEVE THERE WERE REPAIRS OF SOME ASPHALT SHINGLES DONE TO IT AFTER ONE OF THE PRIOR HURRICANES.

UM, I KNOW THERE WERE REPAIRS DONE AFTER FLORENCE, BUT THE ASPHALT SHINGLES, UM, THE WEATHER HUNG OFF SOME, THE, THE PITCH OF THOSE RURAL INSUFFICIENT FOR WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

AND SO WHAT IS RECOMMENDED IS THE SIMULATED SLATE THAT IS ON THE ANNEX, UH, MATCHES WINDLOW.

IT'S ACTUALLY LIGHTER THAN THE ASPHALT SHINGLE ITSELF.

SO WE'LL GET A LONGER LIFE OUT OF THESE AND HOPEFULLY NOT HAVE TO REPLACE IT FOR LEAST 57, 5 YEARS.

SEALER YES, THEN WE CAN FIX THAT PROBLEM.

GEORGE.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS BECAUSE OF THE INTEGRITY OF THE LATERAL STRIPS OR WHAT, BUT YOU KNOW, AFTER THAT ROOF GOT REPLACED, IT WAS NO TIME.

THERE WERE FOUR OR FIVE SHINGLES FLEW OFF.

AND I DUNNO, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT NEW PRODUCT, IF THEY COULD GO IN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE THE INTEGRITY OF, OF WHAT THOSE SHINGLES ARE BEING TO, ARE.

YOU, YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CALLED, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL WOULD BE PUTTING FIVE ACKS TO A SHINGLE AND THEY WOULD PUT THREE, I DON'T KNOW, LOT OF IT GET ON AN ASPHALT SHINGLE.

UM, IT, IT ACTUALLY EXCEEDS WHAT THE MANUFACTURER SPECIFIES AND THE WEIGHT OF IT WILL ACTUALLY PULL, PULL THROUGH THE, UH, NAILS ON SIDE DEPENDING ON THE APPLICATION.

UM, THERE ARE ALWAYS TO DO ASPHALT.

IT'S A DIFFERENT APPLICATION PROCESS.

THE LONGER TERM INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING, I BELIEVE THE BUILDING WOULD HAVE A HIGHER LONG TERM VALUE INTERIOR WISE.

ESPECIALLY SINCE WE CONTINUE TO DO UPGRADES INSIDE TO HAVE A BETTER PROOF SYSTEM ON WHAT IN THE WORLD'S THE PITCH OF THAT ROOF.

DO YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME SECTIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE OVER 12, 12 I THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME STEEP SECTIONS ON IT.

BIGGEST PROBLEM YOU GOT, I KNOW AT CITY Y AND MAY KNOWS ABOUT IT IS THAT ONE WALL THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE WHERE PORTRAITS ARE ON.

ARE WE GONNA TALK ABOUT HPC TODAY OR WE'LL STICK TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE THAT COULD BE, WELL WE JUST GET THAT NONPERMEABLE TRANSPARENT CODING APPROVED.

THAT'S, YEAH, WHEN HPC UPDATES THE GUIDELINES THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, WHEN THEY ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT CLEAR

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UM, THAT'S ANOTHER VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON PUBLIC WORKS? PAGE SEVEN TWO WATER FUND REQUESTS.

SO WE HAVE RECOMMENDED 55,000 FOR REHABILITATION WELLS AND WATER CREEK PLANT EQUIPMENT.

55,000 FOR VEHICLE REPLACEMENT, 20,000 FOR MOWER REPLACEMENT, 350,000 FOR WATER SYSTEM, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.

$140,000 FOR UH, DUMP TRUCK REPLACEMENT, $136,000 FOR UM, ADDITIONAL FLEET REPLACEMENT, TWO TRUCKS, HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR SEWER TREATMENT, UH, REPAIRS AND UPGRADES.

$20,000 FOR, UM, AGING UTILITY VEHICLE, $450,000 FOR, UM, VARIOUS SEWER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS.

$250,000 FOR SEWER PUMP STATION REHABILITATION AND HUNDRED $36,000 FOR SEWER SYSTEM MAINTENANCE.

SO THE THING ABOUT JORDAN AND HIS DEPARTMENT, UH, WHEN HE HAS A VEHICLE, HE WILL WEAR IT OUT WHERE THE WHEELS FALL OFF ON PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.

AND, AND AS YOU SEE, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE THINGS, UH, UH, HAVE 12 YEARS OR, OR 200,000 MILES ON THOSE.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE RAGGED WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE FINISHED THE WATER AND SEWER FUNDS BOTH HAVE ROBUST, UM, DAYS OF CASH ON HAND.

AND SO FUNDING THOSE PROJECTS IN CASH IS NOT AN ISSUE.

THAT 1 36 FOR ONE VEHICLE, I BELIEVE IT'S TWO VEHICLES.

TWO VEHICLES, YES MA'AM.

ALSO, I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF LAWNMOWERS, UM, BUT THE ONE FOR PARKS AND GROUND, THEY REQUESTED, UH, THREE FOR 41,000 AND THEN ONE FOR WATER TREATMENT IS ONE AT 20.

I'M SURE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE TYPE OF 'EM, BUT I, I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR THAT IS, ARE WE BUYING 'EM OFF STATE CONTRACT AND ARE WE GETTING LIKE THE SAME BRAND AND THE SAME DEALER SO WE CAN GET THE BEST DEAL THAT WE'RE BUYING? I JUST DON'T WANT US TO BUY ONE MOWER FOR ONE PLACE, TWO FROM ANOTHER.

SO, SO I THINK MOWERS GONNA DEPEND ON THE NEED FOR THE DEPARTMENT.

THEY ARE PURCHASED ON STATE CONTRACT.

YES THEY ARE.

UM, AND FINANCE WORKS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS ON THAT.

UM, I DON'T SEE CARRIE HERE, SHE COULD, SHE COULD TALK MORE ABOUT THEIR REQUIREMENTS ON, ON WHY THEY LIKE, I BELIEVE THE JOHN DEERE MOWERS.

JORDAN, IF YOU WANNA MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT MAYOR, WE'LL JUST QUICK COMMENT.

UH, THAT ONE IS A VERY LARGE ONE USED FOR SOME OF OUR BIGGER SPACES IN THE ACREAGE WATER TREATMENT PLANTS AND ACREAGE TREATMENT PLANT.

UM, GET DEMOTED SOME STUFF THAT DOES RIGHT OF WAYS ISLAND LIKE THAT.

A SMALLER, MORE COMPACT ORDER IS PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO.

SO YOU DO PERSON SMALL STATE CONTRACT.

THERE ARE SOME SOMEWHAT UNIFORM, BUT THE SIZE IS VARIED BASED NEED.

OR THE, OR THE FOLLOW UP ON THE COMMUNICATIONS CONTROL.

AND IF YOU CAN GET BETTER PRICING THAN THE STATE CONTRACT, THEY CAN'T CHARGE YOU MORE THAN THAT, BUT THEY CAN CHARGE YOU LESS.

SO OBVIOUSLY I THINK IF YOU BUY MORE, IT'S PROBABLY A BETTER.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON WATER SEW? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE TO ELECTRIC FUND.

YEAH, SO WE DID RECOMMEND, UM, FLEET REPLACEMENT ON THE FIRST ITEM.

ONE REPLACEMENT OF $60,000 ON FLEET REPLACEMENT FOR REPLACING THE POWER LINE MOTORIZED VEHICLES, THE BUCKET TRUCK AND PICKUP $802,000, $750,000 TO REPLACE OVERHEAD AND UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE AND OLD TOWN RIVER CROSSING AND GREEN BRIAR.

$90,000 FOR UTILITY TRACTOR WITH ATTACHMENTS, FISH MOWER FORK TO BUCKET MARE 36,000 TO REPLACE SUBSTATION BATTERIES.

70,000 TO REPLACE SUBSTATION SECURITY SYSTEM.

WE DID NOT RECOMMEND THE, THE FLEET VEHICLE AND THE POWER SUPPLY WHEN WE TALK INTO THE GARAGE.

THAT FELT WE COULD GET ANOTHER YEAR.

AND ONCE YOU'RE GONNA SEE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE VEHICLES, THEY REQUESTED GARAGE FELT COMFORTABLE BASED ON THE SERVICE RECORDS THAT WE CAN GET AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR OUT OF THOSE.

THAT'S WHY WE DID NOT RECOMMEND THAT WE DID NOT RECOMMEND THE COMMUNICATIONS CONTROL ROOM IN THE AMOUNT OF $752,000

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A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND $90,000 FOR, FOR UM, UH, THE REPLACE CONTROL SYSTEM SERVERS AND THE RESPONSE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

WE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

UM, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT YET.

I ANTICIPATE THAT DURING THE BUDGET YEAR WHEN CHARLIE HAS A MORE DEFINED PLAN ON WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, THIS WILL COME UP AT A WORKSHOP AND THEN THE BOARD CAN MAKE A DECISION ON, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO FUND THAT, THAT TIME UTILITY BUSINESS OFFICE.

THEY HAD A VEHICLE REPLACEMENT, WE RECOMMENDED THAT CUSTOMER PAYMENT SERVICES.

I INITIALLY, UM, DID NOT RECOMMEND THE CUSTOMER SELF SERVICE PORTAL AND CONVERSATION WITH FINANCE STAFF.

THEY GAVE ME AN UPDATE THE OTHER DAY, I BELIEVE IT.

AND UM, AND SOMEONE ELSE BROUGHT UP, AND WE NEED TO HAVE THIS BECAUSE PCI COMPLIANCE, UM, AND I BELIEVE CHARLIE GOES INTO MONITORING MORE MODERNIZATION.

SO WE ARE GONNA RECOMMEND THIS, UM, CUSTOMER SELF SERVICE ASSISTANCE AI WITH, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT AT THIS TIME $250,000 IN UPGRADES FOR CUSTOMER PAYMENT SERVICES.

WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT AT THIS TIME.

WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, CONSOLIDATION OF SEVERAL CITY DEPARTMENTS AND SO THAT IS ONE OF THE AREAS WE'RE POTENTIAL CONSOLIDATION.

SO WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO THE BOARD IN THE FUTURE DATE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON ELECTRIC REQUESTS? WELL ONLY, UM, A STATEMENT I HAVE ON THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT AND I THINK AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA NEED, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT AND ITS CAPITAL NEEDS AND ITS FUTURE.

AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN KICK THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

WE, WE, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, GET IT BEFORE THE BOARD, THE BOARD GIVE THE DIRECTION TO THE STAFF AS TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

NOW I DID HAVE OPINIONS ON THAT AND I'LL BE GLAD TO EXPRESS EM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE TIME.

IT, IT COULD BELABOR YOUR BUDGET PRESENTATION.

IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO IT AT A DIFFERENT TIME, BUT I THINK WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL KIND OF LIKE DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS HERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY IS AND IT RIGHT HERE IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE DETERMINED AND, AND SO, AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT WOULD BE, UM, THAT SUBGROUP WE HAVE A FINAL MEETING WITH, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S ON MAY 11TH.

ONCE WE HAVE THAT MEETING, UM, WE'LL DEFINITELY CONVENE AGAIN AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT THE, WHAT THE SUBGROUP WANTS TO DO.

AND WHEN WE HAVE OUR SUMMER RETREAT, THAT IS WHEN THIS WILL COME BACK UP TO THE FULL BOARD TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED OVER THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF.

UM, AND I'M WONDERING, OH, GO AHEAD.

NO, GO AHEAD.

I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE, UH, INCLUDING THE DEPRECIATION IN THE BUDGET MM-HMM .

SO WE ARE ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO SAVE MONEY IN A WAY SO THAT WE CAN PURCHASE THINGS LIKE THIS OUTRIGHT.

LIKE ARE, IS THIS DEPRECIATION INCLUDED GONNA BE PUT INTO A SEPARATE ACCOUNT? WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT DEPRECIATION SEPARATELY AND JUST A FEW MORE MINUTES.

SO BEAR WITH US.

YES MA'AM.

JUST TO ADD ON TO ALL MOUNTAIN'S COMMENTS, I THINK, AND I ASKED THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT REQUEST FOR ELECTRIC.

YOU KNOW, WE, IN OUR MEETINGS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE FIVE AND 10 YEAR CAPITAL PLANS, NOT JUST FOR ELECTRIC, BUT WE'VE BROUGHT IN UH, WATER RESOURCE BECAUSE THE FUNDING FOR THOSE ARE FROM REVENUE BOND, WHICH WILL GO TO AFFECT ALL OF THOSE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

SO WE ARE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.

IT'S NOT AN ANNUAL BUDGET ITEM.

THAT WOULD BE A, UM, A CAPITAL, ESSENTIALLY A CAPITAL PROJECT ORDINANCE IS A SEPARATE KIND OF FUND.

IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM SO JUST AS AN UPDATE FOR EVERYONE, WE WILL COME IN OUR SUMMER RETREAT TO TALK THROUGH THAT AS SEPARATE FROM THE BUDGET FOR THE END OF THE BUDGET RATHER.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE ELECTRIC AT THIS TIME? ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO SOLID WASTE.

SOLID WASTE.

DID RECOMMEND WE REPLACEMENT VEHICLE $75,000 REPLACING METAL SWING GATE COMPOST JAR, $25,000 REPLACING A 2007 LEAD COLLECTION TRAILER, UH, FOR $130,000 AND A JOHN DEERE TRACTOR, UM,

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50,000.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? SOLID WASTE IS GONNA TAKE THAT TRACTOR TO THE NEXT PARADE, RIGHT? MAYBE.

ALRIGHT, THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.

WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO UH, FEES AND CHARGES.

SO WE'VE HAD, UH, SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS BY DEPARTMENTS AND I BELIEVE TANYA'S GONNA COVER THIS.

ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH IT, UM, SECTION BY SECTION AND IT'S ON PAGE 81 IN YOUR BOOK, THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO ADMINISTRATIVE CEMETERIES OR FIRE, UM, NOTHING IN PARKING AS WELL.

SO THE FIRST CHANGES, UM, RECOMMENDED ARE IN SECTION FIVE PARKS AND RECREATION UNDER ADULT SPORTS LEAGUES FOR CO-ED SOFTBALL.

UM, JUST CHANGING, UM, ADDING $475 FOR NON-RESIDENT, UH, UNDER ADULT SPORT LEAGUES FOR INDIVIDUAL PARTICIPATION.

A CHANGING RESIDENT FROM 20 TO UP TO 50 AND NON-RESIDENT FROM 30 TO UP TO 100.

UH, JUST REMOVING THE ADULT SPORTS LEAGUES CO-ED VOLLEYBALL, IT WOULD FALL IN WITHIN THOSE OTHER CHARGES UP ABOVE.

SO UNDER PARK FEES, UM, ADDING, UH, FIRST OF ALL, INCREASING THE GAZEBO RENTAL AT UNION POINT PARK FROM 50 TO RESIDENT, 100 NON-RESIDENT ADDING, UH, THE FEE FOR THE HORSESHOE RENTAL SECTION OF UNION POINT PARK.

AGAIN, THAT SAME RATE OF 50 PER RESIDENT, 100 FOR NON-RESIDENT AND THEN JAMES REED LANE ADDING THAT AS WELL FOR THE SAME OF 50 FOR RESIDENT, 100 FOR NON-RESIDENT.

THEN HERE AT STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER, THEY'D LIKE TO START OFFERING A PERSONAL FITNESS TRAINING AND YOU COULD GET A PACKAGE PER HOUR OR A PACKAGE FOR EVERY FOUR HOURS.

THE PER HOUR IS $40 AN HOUR FOR A RESIDENT, $50 AN HOUR FOR A NON-RESIDENT AND THEN THE FOUR HOUR PACKAGE WOULD BE $140 FOR A RESIDENT OR $180 FOR A NON-RESIDENT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON PARKS AND RECREATION? WHERE DOES THE VENDOR FEE FOR WHERE THERE'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN THERE'S LIKE A FESTIVAL MM-HMM THEY DO VENDOR FEE.

UM, THAT, THAT MIGHT, IF IT'S NOT UNDER HERE, WE'VE GOT A SECTION UNDER PUBLIC ASSEMBLY AND THAT'S WHERE IT IS.

THAT'S SECTION EIGHT.

PJ SIX.

DEFINITELY UPDATE THAT LANGUAGE.

CHARGE AN HOUR.

A HORSESHOE RENTAL THAT WAY.

I'M READING THAT.

OH, NOT THE HORSESHOE RENTAL, I'M THINKING.

AND CARRIE IS HERE.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HORSESHOE SECTION OF UNION POINT PART.

WE'RE GOING OVER THE FEES AND SCHEDULES.

SO WE ADDED HORSESHOE RENTAL UNION POINT PARK $50 AN HOUR FOR RESIDENT 100.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE HORSES SHOES? THE ACTUAL PAVEMENT? NO, THE HORSESHOE SHAPE OF UNION POINT PARK.

WE'VE HAD FEES IDENTIFIED FOR ALL OTHER SECTIONS, BUT AS PEOPLE CONTINUE TO RENT UNION POINT SO FREQUENTLY AND THEY'RE WANTING THE WHOLE PARK OR THEY WANTING TO CLOSE THE HORSESHOE TO DO A 5K, WE FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO ACTUALLY HAVE A FEE IN THERE.

OH, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

I JUST THOUGHT WE WERE PAYING, SOMEBODY WAS PAYING 50 B******T.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE EVERYTHING I DO.

WHAT SHOULD WE, THAT HORSESHOE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SHAPE HORSESHOE SECTION.

HORSES SECTION.

UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION,

WE'LL UPDATE THAT LANGUAGE.

ALL RIGHT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON PARKS AND RECREATION? OKAY, SO MOVE ON TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

ADDING A FEW FEES HERE.

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BASIC FEE OF $25.

INITIAL ZONING FOR ANNEX PROPERTIES, $750 AND A REPLACEMENT SUBDIVISION SIGNED FEE OF $75.

WHAT IS THE HISTORIC INFORMATION? BASIC, UH, UH, JESSICA'S NOT HERE, BUT ROBERT'S HERE.

MAYBE HE CAN ANSWER US TO THAT.

THE BASIC FEE IS ESSENTIALLY A MINOR WORKS, COA.

SO WE HAVE A BASIC FEE OF PROPOSED 25 AND THEN MINOR WORKS 75.

OH THE, THE BASIC FEE, I'M SORRY, THE BASIC FEE WOULD BE FOR ANYTHING SUCH AS REPLACEMENT AND KIND.

I'M, I'M NOT HONESTLY SURE WHY.

WE HAVE BASICALLY WHEN PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IS COVERED WITH THE MINOR WORK, COA AND MAJOR WORK, COA AND TREE REMOVAL PERMITS.

SO I'D HAVE TO DO MORE RESEARCH ON WHAT UH, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADMINISTRATOR ACTUALLY CHARGES THAT FOR FEE.

SO VERY SMALL PROJECTS LIKE REPLACING A, A LIGHT FIXTURE ON, OH GOODNESS, YOU GOTTA GET A PERMIT FOR THAT IF YOU LIGHT FIXTURE AND THAT THAT'S NOT INCLUDED UNDER A MINOR COA WELL IT COULD BE PUT UNDER A MINOR WORKS COA BUT THE PROCESS FOR A MINOR WORKS IS MORE INTENSIVE THAN JUST DOING SOMETHING LIKE A BASIC.

SO THE IDEA IS YOU HAVE THESE SMALL PROJECTS THAT ARE, THAT, THAT REALLY DON'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF MINOR WORK, BUT THEN THE PROCESS CORRECT.

THE APPROVAL TO GIVE A SMALLER FEE TO DO THAT.

YOU GOOD WITH THAT? THEY'RE ADDING THAT, THAT'S NO, I, I'M, NO, I'M, I'M, NO, I ASSUME JUST CUT THAT.

THAT WOULD BE MY, THAT'S YOUR MOTION.

I WANT TO VERIFY THAT.

'CAUSE MY QUESTION BECOMES, IF YOU'RE DOING A LIGHT FIXTURE ON THE FRONT PORCH, ARE THEY CHARGING YOU $75 FOR A MINOR WORK OR ARE THEY JUST GOING THROUGH APPROVAL WITHOUT THAT FEE? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I'M TRYING TO LOWER FEE.

I I I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT CHARGING, WE'RE NOT JUST CHARGING MORE FOR THAT.

MAKES SENSE.

FOSTER? YES, SIR.

I MEAN I'M FINE TO, I'M I'M FINE TO REMOVE THAT.

SO, WELL WHAT'S THE, AFTER THE FACT FEE, THE AFTER THE FACT FEE WOULD BE FOR ANY PERSON WHO DOES WORK ON THEIR HOUSE WITHOUT GETTING A PERMIT.

AND THAT, THAT FALLS IN LINE WITH THE, WITH BASIC BUILDING ENTRY PERMITS DO AS WELL FOR INSPECTIONS.

BECAUSE ALL THIS IS INVOLVING ELECTRICIANS, CORRECT? WITH THAT? NO, WHEN YOU SAID, WHEN YOU WAS TALKING ABOUT REPLACING THE LIGHT FIXTURE, THAT'S INVOLVING ELECTRICIAN, CORRECT? CORRECT.

THAT, THAT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE AN ELECTRICAL PERMIT.

IN THE PROJECT IS, IS DISCUSSED WITH THEM.

I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT AND FLAG THAT, BUT JUST KNOW THAT I'M, I MAY MAKE A MOTION HERE TO ELIMINATE THAT FROM THE FEE STRUCTURE.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THAT? UH, I THINK YOU MAY JUST WANT FIND OUT THE, AFTER THE FACT MINOR FEE, WHICH IS ALREADY THERE.

UM, NO, NEVERMIND THE BASIC FEE IF YOU, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS UNDER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? OKAY, THE NEXT SECTION WITH THE, UM, PROPOSED CHANGE IS NINE, WHICH IS PUBLIC WORKS.

UM, CHANGING THE PERMIT FOR AWAY REINSPECTION FROM $20 TO $45.

I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA GO BACK IN PUBLIC.

I'M SO SORRY.

THE CLEANING FEE, AND THIS IS MORE JUST IF, IF MAYBE THE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT WE'VE, I'VE SEEN AT LEAST THREE INSTANCES WHERE YOU HAVE A NEW BUSINESS COME IN TO A PLACE THAT'S ALREADY OPERATED AND THEY'RE OPERATING AN OUTDOOR AND THEY, WHERE THEY HAVE GOT TO GO BACK AND GET ANOTHER SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

IF THERE'S A WAY TO DIFFERENTIATE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BECAUSE THAT SEVEN $50 IS, I MEAN THAT'S A LOT FOR A NEW BUSINESS TO COME IN AND NOW SAY, OKAY, NOW I'VE GOTTA GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE OF OUTDOOR SEATING.

IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO AN EXISTING BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE COMING INTO A BUSINESS THAT HAS SPECIALTIES PERMIT AND IF I, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND APPLY FOR IT, I HAVE SOME KIND OF DISCOUNTED FEE.

'CAUSE THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE COST PROHIBITIVE FOR THESE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO THAT'S JUST A, SO DURING THE PLANNING PHASE, EVERYTHING THAT A PROPERTY OWNER MIGHT WANT TO PLAN FOR

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AND GENERAL STATUTES DO LIMIT WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SO IF, IF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT'S REQUIRED FOR A PARTICULAR USE AND THEY ADD SOMETHING ONTO IT THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE SPECIAL USE, THEY WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT AFTER THIS.

ALRIGHT, SO WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON PUBLIC WORKS? SO WE'LL MOVE TO REFUSE SECTION 10.

UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY A PROPOSED CHANGE FROM WHAT IS IN THE BOOK.

UM, AT THE POINT WHEN, UH, WE WERE PROPOSING THIS BUDGET, THE TIPPING FEES, UH, WE BUDGETED FOR AT A DOLLAR INCREASE.

UH, HOWEVER, THE COUNTY HAS VOTED TO INCREASE THE TIPPING FEES BY $2 PER TREND.

SO IN THAT INSTANCE, WE'VE HAD TO ADJUST OUR FEES SOMEWHAT AND YOU'LL SEE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THEIR OVERALL BUDGET AND SOLID WASTE AS WELL.

SO INITIALLY WE WERE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THE 65 GALLON CART FOR A ONE TIME A WEEK SERVICE FROM TO $20.

AND YOU'LL SEE BELOW WE ARE NOW ASKING FOR AN INCREASE OF, UH, TO 2025 OF $20 AND 25 CENTS.

THEN YOU'LL SEE, UH, THE DUMPSTER SERVICES AS WELL.

THEY'LL HAVE SLIGHT INCREASES FROM THE INITIAL PROPOSED AMOUNT.

YOU'LL ALSO SEE NARROW RESIDENTIAL.

SO IF WE HAVE A, WE'VE THAT LOT OF REQUESTS FOR, FOR RESIDENCE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TRASH CARDS.

SO THIS ALSO REFLECTS, IF YOU'D LIKE MORE THAN ONE, YOU CAN PAY THAT FEE FOR THAT.

PAUL, I GET ASKED ABOUT THIS FREQUENTLY.

THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION WITH PEOPLE WHEN THEY GET A CITY OF UTILITY BILL THAT HAS REFUSE PICKUP AND THEN THEY GET A GFL BILL.

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME THE TWO DIFFERENT BILLS? YES, SIR.

WE'LL LET GEORGE COME UP.

SO MAYOR, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS ALL THE DUMPSTER CONTAINERS.

SO THE DUMP THE, THE BUSINESS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY, THEY CAN EITHER LEASE A DUMPSTER CONTAINER FROM GFL DIRECTLY OR THEY CAN GO TO A SECONDARY PROVIDER OR PURCHASE THEIR OWN.

IF THEY SAY THE SERVICE, THE ACTUAL PICKUP SERVICE WILL STILL BE THROUGH GFL, BUT THE DUMPSTER RENTAL.

SO WHAT THEY'RE LIKELY SEEING ON THEIR BILL IS FOR THE RENTAL OF THE DUMPSTER.

AND SO I WAS TOLD A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT WE DIDN'T ALLOW OTHER RENTAL COMPANIES TO RENT DUMPSTERS IN THE CITY LIMITS.

IT WAS IN OUR CONTRACT WITH GFO.

I BELIEVE THE PROCUREMENT OF THE DUMPSTER IS UP TO THE BUSINESS.

SOME, UH, INDIVIDUALLY, I'LL CHECK TO VERIFY THAT.

OR RESTRAINED FROM OPERATING.

BUT THEY'RE LIKELY SEEING WHAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT, UH, PURCHASING IS A BAD THING.

UH, YOU DO GET MAINTENANCE AND SWAP OUT IF YOU DO HAVE IT THROUGH GFL, HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CONTAINER, WHICH WOULD BE A PLUS FOR MAYOR.

UH, YEARS AGO, UM, THERE WAS A VENDOR, UM, THAT MADE A SWEETHEART OPPORTUNITY TO THE CITY.

I BELIEVE DANNY MEADOWS WAS THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AT THE TIME.

THAT, AND IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS A REALLY GREAT RATE IF WE WOULD AGREE TO PRECLUDE IN ANY OTHER VENDORS FROM OPERATING IN THE CITY THAT THEY WOULD GIVE US THIS REALLY GREAT RATE.

AND I JUST REALLY THOUGHT THAT WAS A TREMENDOUS RESTRAINT OF TRADE.

AND THERE WERE A LOT OF SMALL COMPANIES THAT WERE DOING THAT AND THERE WERE PARTICULARLY HOMEOWNERS OR BUSINESSES THAT LIKE THE PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, CONTAINER PEOPLE THAT, THAT WERE NOT MM-HMM.

UNDER CONTRACT WITH US.

SO BEST I KNOW IN CITY UNTIL I'M CORRECTED, I THOUGHT THAT OTHER PRIVATE CARRIERS ONCE DOWN AND THERE'S ONE OUT TOWARD RIVER COULD, YOU KNOW, COME INTO THE CITY AND NOT BE PRECLUDED

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I I JUST KNOW THAT A COUPLE YEARS AGO, A LOCAL BUSINESS HAD GFL, THEY HAD A NEW RENTAL COMPANY COME IN AND DROP THE NEW, UM, JUST THE, THE CAR, NOT THE CAR, BUT THE ACTUAL DUMPSTER ITSELF AND GFL CALLED AND SAID YOU COULDN'T DO THAT AND THAT COMPANY HAD TO SWITCH BACK TO GFL.

WELL I KNOW THAT LIKE FIRSTHAND.

SO NOW THE, THE OTHER, THE OTHER TYPES WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, FRONT LOAD, YES, FRONT LOAD DUMPSTERS ON.

SO ROLL OFFS, THERE IS NO LIMITATION.

YOU CAN FLY THE ROLL OFF.

SO ANY VENDOR OF ANY COUNTY, IF YOU HAVE SAFE CONSTRUCTIONS LIKE ROLL OFFS THAT ARE PICKED UP WITH A ROLL OFF TRUCK, THEY CAN BE, YOU CAN UTILIZE IT, YOU WANT, WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMPANIES WORKING WITHIN THE CITY THAT PROVIDE THOSE TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS, UM, FOR CONSTRUCTION.

WELL, THIS PARTICULAR OUTFIT WANTS TO FORBID THAT TYPE OF, UH, TRADE WITHIN THE CITY.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, BUT MAYOR, IS THAT WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE FRONT BOAT KIND OF.

OKAY, THANK YOU BOTH.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO SECTION 11.

UTILITIES, UH, ADDITIONAL FEES OR UPDATING THE FEES FOR THE CITY PERSONNEL AT, UH, POLE DUE TO EITHER METER SERVICE TAMPERING, TAMPERING, OR DELINQUENCY FROM ONE 90 TO 1 95, A METER DIVISION FEE FROM 180 5 TO 1 95.

UH, THE METER DIVI, OR SORRY, THAT'S METER CHANGE OUT FEE.

THE METER DIVISION FEE FOR METER TAMPERING INVESTIGATION FROM FOUR 80 TO 4 95 METER TEST FOR METERS LESS THAN FIVE YEARS OLD.

UH, FROM 90 TO 95, I AM CHANGING THE EXTRA FACILITIES CHARGE TO SEE CUSTOMER SERVICE POLICY.

100% OF THE EXTRA FACILITY CHARGE OR 2% OF THE EXTRA FACILITY CHARGE PER MONTH.

THE FIVE YEAR MINIMUM OR UNTIL FACILITIES ARE REMOVED, AN ADDITIONAL POLE FROM FOUR 20 TO FOUR 30.

UH, THE OH, EXTENSION BEYOND TWO POLE SPANS FROM ONE 30 PER FOOT TO 1 35 PER FOOT.

THE UG LINE EXTENSION BE BEYOND 300 FEET FROM $909 AND 20 CENTS PER PER FOOT TO $9 AND 50 CENTS PER FOOT.

THE CONVERSION OF SERVICE FROM 8 75 TO 900, UH, UNDERGROUND SERVICE LENGTH FROM $10 TO $11 COST PER LINEAR FOOT, $10 TO $11 AND SECOND TRIP TO PSYCH FROM 3 75 TO $390.

QUESTION WHAT, WHAT, WHAT REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL HOLD? CHARLIE.

CHARLIE, CAN YOU ANSWER, IS THAT YOUR SERVICE POLE IN YOUR LOT IN ON YOUR PROPERTY, CORRECT.

FOR THE ADDITIONAL, CORRECT.

SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY ADDITIONAL POLES? LIKE IF THAT ONE ROCKS OUT OR SOMETHING? NO, IT'S BEYOND 300 FEET.

300 FEET.

THEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL POLE REQUIRED.

THE, THE COST UP TO 300 FEET IS INCLUDED, IS RECOVERED IN THE RATE.

SO THE ADDITIONAL FEE IS TO RECOVER THE ADDITIONAL DISTANCE THAT WE HAVE TO TRAVEL BASED ON WHERE THEY WANNA SET SERVICE.

I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY.

BRIAN HAS A QUESTION.

NOW YOU HAVE QUESTION THE LINE EXTENSION BEYOND 300 FOOT.

WHY DO WE GIVE THE FIRST 300 FOOT FOR THREE? WE MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT'S RECOVERED IN A RATE.

IS THAT AN ACCURATE ASSUMPTION? IT'S FAIR, YES.

FROM $115 PER HOUR FOR TWO HOURS MINIMUM TO 120 PER HOUR.

IS THIS THE NEW SERVICE? IS THAT LIKE FOR A NEW SERVICE? YES.

SO ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE SCHEDULE A SURFACE DROP AFTER NORMAL WORKING HOURS

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AND THEN THEY HAVE A CONVENIENCE FEE FOR ONLINE PAYMENT SET AT $5, BUT THEY'VE BEEN CHANGING SOME OF THE PROVIDERS, SO IT MAY VARY.

UM, SO WE ARE JUST CHANGING THAT SCHEDULE TO FEE SET BY ONLINE PAYMENT PROVIDER AND MAY VARY.

SO ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON SECTION 11? JUST SINCE WE'RE NOT CHARGING THE FEE, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE PUT THAT ON OUR SCHEDULE OF FEE FOR THE ONLINE PAYMENT? UM, MAYBE I WOULD THINK JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY.

YEAH, IT IS NOT CHARGED BY US.

IT IS THE PROVIDER THAT IS CHARGING THAT, THAT THAT IS, THAT'S AN ANNUAL ADMINISTRATION FEE WENT FROM $300 TO 1600.

SO THAT'S PURSUER PRETREATMENT INFLATION.

HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE .

SO NOTHING ELSE ON 11.

GO TO 12.

SEE , I KNEW THAT WAS NEXT.

SO THE PRE-TREATMENT, ANNUAL ADMINISTRATIVE FEE? YES.

GOING FROM 300 TO 1600, ELIMINATING THE, UM, PRE-TREATMENT ANNUAL INSPECTION FEE AND THEN ALSO ELIMINATING THE, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE FEE FOR MONTHLY SERVICE OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER MONTH.

AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, JORDAN IS HERE.

LOVE TO ANSWER THEM.

JUST ADMINISTRATIVE EFFICIENCY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTALS OF THOSE, WE HAD BASICALLY ALL THOSE TOGETHER ADDED UP TO $1,600 PER YEAR FOR INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMER.

YOU HAVE TO INVOICE SOME THOSE MONTHLY, THEY'RE HAVE TO PAY MONTHLY.

BASICALLY INDUSTRY'S REQUEST, STREAMLINE THE ADMINISTRATION OF THAT NOW BE ONE SINGLE BILL THAT GOES OUT ONCE A YEAR, SAVES US SOME EFFORT IN AND SENDING OUT INVOICES AND BILLING, SAVE HIM SOME MONEY AND PROCESSING HIS PAYMENT.

SO JUST TO CLEAN UP SOME ADMIN WORK.

MAKES SENSE.

AND THEN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON SECTION 12? ALL RIGHT, SO THE, THE LAST CHANGE IS, UH, CREDIT CARD PROCESSING SURCHARGE, IF YOU NOTICE IN OUR BUDGET SPECIFICALLY ELECTRICS AND, UH, IS THE GREATEST EXPENSE.

AND THEN, UH, WE DO HAVE A, A PRETTY HIGH EXPENSE IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THEY ARE THE ONES WHO RECEIVE THE MOST CREDIT CARDS FOR PAYMENTS.

UH, THAT, UM, IS UP TO $300,000 A YEAR FOR ELECTRIC.

SO, UH, WE ARE MAKING THE DECISION TO PASS ON THAT FEE TO THE CUSTOMERS SO THAT THE FEE WOULD NOT BE CHARGED, UH, FOR SOMEBODY USING A DEBIT CARD OR A PREPAID, UM, CHARGE CARD OR A CH PAYMENTS.

THAT IS STRICTLY THE A 3% CHARGE FOR TO COVER THE PROCESSING CARDS FOR CREDIT CARDS.

SO THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTED ANYWHERE WITHIN THE CITY THAT IS USING THAT SPECIFIC TYPE OF CREDIT CARD TERMINAL, WHICH IS A MATTER CAPS OFFICE.

UH, WE'VE GOT ONE UNIT WHICH WE RARELY USE UPSTAIRS IN THE FINANCE OFFICE.

OUR FIRE STATION DOES, BUT THERE'S A SMALL AMOUNTS AS WELL.

SO IT WOULD BE, UH, OFFSET SOME OF THOSE COSTS AND BE A CONSIDERABLE SAVINGS.

SO IS THAT GONNA SAVE 300,000? YEAH, ALMOST.

BUT WE WILL STILL HAVE A SMALL PROCESSING FEE, BUT IT'LL, IT'LL BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, MAYBE NOT EVEN A FOUR FOR THAT.

MAYBE 50,004 ELECTRIC.

SO IT WOULDN'T ELIMINATE IT, BUT IT WOULD GREATLY REDUCE.

MM-HMM .

HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE WAS IT GOING UTILIZING THE AMERICAN EXPRESS AND NOT THE OTHER THREE? BECAUSE I KNOW ONCE THEY CHANGED THE SYSTEM, COULDN'T USE AMERICAN EXPRESS.

I, I DON'T KNOW, NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE RIGHT NOW CONSIDERATION AMERICA EXPRESS 4%.

I KNOW IT COSTS MORE TO USE.

THAT'S TRYING TO GET THOSE POINTS RIGHT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHY BUSINESSES HAVE GONE TO USING THE CARDS MORE INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO RACK UP THE POINTS THAT THEY GET FOR USING THE CARD.

AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE EATING THAT COST.

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TONY, CAN I, CAN I, YEAH.

A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THOSE FEES THAT ARE BEING CHARGED ARE NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THE ELECTRIC.

THEY'RE SPLIT UP, UM, AMONGST ALL THE ENTERPRISE SERVICE FUNDS THAT, UM, BILL THAT THE CUSTOMER'S PAID.

SO IT IS IN, YES IT IS IN THE CAPS BUDGET, BUT THE OTHER ENTERPRISE FUNDS, UM, ELECTRIC IS BEING REIMBURSED FOR THAT.

ELECTRIC IS BEING CHARGED, BUT THE WATERS WHO ARE ON SOLID WASTE ARE CHARGED A PORTION OF CAPS BUDGET.

SO THEY ARE PAYING A, A POOR A PART OF THAT.

SO A SHARED FOR SHARED SERVICES.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALRIGHT, SO THAT CONCLUDES BEFORE WE MOVE ON, THE FEES, I DID GET CONFIRMATION ABOUT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

BASIC FEE WILL BE MY, IF I NEED IT FOR AION TODAY, I CAN HAPPEN TO DO IT.

OR IF I CAN JUST GIVE, WE CAN GIVE GENERAL CONSENT.

ALL WE NEED IS GENERAL, GENERAL DIRECTION.

I, I'D LIKE, I WOULD ASK THIS BOARD TO REMOVE THAT ADDITIONAL FEE, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BASIC FEE OF $25.

DO EVERYBODY AGREE WITH THAT? I AGREE.

SAME AGAIN, TO REMOVE THE $25 FEE THAT, UM, ALDERMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER FOR H-P-C-H-P-C.

AND THE BASIC FEE THAT $25 IS AN ADDITIONAL FEE.

IT'S NOT TO LESS THAN A FEE THAT WE'RE CHARGING FOLKS.

MM-HMM .

SO IT'S AN ADDITIONAL, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S AN ADDITIONAL FEE FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING SLIGHTLY BELOW MINOR WORKS.

AND SO WE HAVE THESE PROPERTY OWNERS TRYING TO COMPLY WITH OUR GUIDELINES AND NOW WE'RE GONNA SAY WE NEED PAY 25 ON TOP OF DOING THIS.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? I CAN'T THINK OF A REASON WHY TO OBJECT.

I MEAN, WERE THEY, THAT'S PERFECT.

EXCELLENT.

OFF OF THIS OR NO, I THINK WE'RE GONNA MAKE VERY LITTLE AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE A HEADACHE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

I THINK REGARDING THE BOARD, ARE ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS? YES SIR.

WE'VE GOT THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

ANY, ANY OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT FEES AND CHARGES BEFORE WE MOVE ON? I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

ALDERMAN FERGUSON, YOU WERE MENTIONING SOMETHING ABOUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

DID YOU WANNA COME BACK TO THAT OR? I, I, I'M GONNA GO EXPLORE THAT A LITTLE FURTHER.

THEN I CAN BRING IT UP TO THE BOARD, BUT ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON THEN.

KIM, ARE YOU READY? YEAH.

SO WE'RE HEADING INTO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

UM, CAN YOU, THAT'S OKAY.

SO THIS SUMMARY GIVES YOU A COMPARISON OF THE FY 26 ADAPTED IN THE FY 27 PROPOSED WITH THE CHANGE.

THE PERCENT, UM, OF CHANGE IS QUITE HIGH, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE IT ALSO INCLUDES DEPRECIATION IN THERE, UM, WHERE IT HAD NOT THE ADOPTED BUDGETS IN PRIOR YEAR.

SO THAT IS, UH, DEFINITELY IMPACTING IT.

THE UM, DEPRECIATION FOR FUND WAS 1.8 MILLION.

SEWER WAS 2.4 MILLION.

ELECTRIC WAS 2.7 MILLION IN SOUTH WASTE IS 155,000.

SO REALLY IF YOU WANNA COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES, THE INCREASE FROM FY 26 TO FY 27 WOULD BE WATER AT 3.8%.

SEWER AT 2.8%, ELECTRIC AT 6.1% AND SOLID WASTE AT 3.5%.

UM, THERE ARE SUMMARY BUDGETS IN, UM, PAGES 15 THROUGH 18, ADDITIONAL BUDGET, UM, SORRY, OF ADDITIONAL SUMMARY REPORTS AND 15 PAGES, 15 THROUGH 18, THEY HAS HISTORICAL DATA FOR THE LAST PRIOR THREE YEARS AS WELL.

SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE COMPARISON.

LEMME UM, LEMME ADMIRE MYSELF INTO, UH, ABYSS AS I ASKED YOU THIS QUESTION.

UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT DEPRECIATION MM-HMM .

UM, ALWAYS LOOK AT DEPRECIATION MAYBE IN A BALANCE SHEET AS BEING APPLICABLE TO THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE NET WORTH OR THE, UM, WELL LET

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ME JUST EXPAND ON THAT.

IF YOU WERE, UM, OVERZEALOUS IN YOUR DEPRECIATION, YOU WOULD, UM, TEND TO POTENTIALLY, POSSIBLY PUT HARDSHIP ON RATE USERS AND, BUT YOU WOULD IMPROVE THE POTENTIAL OF, UM, BOND PERFORMANCE AS FAR AS BOND RATING, UM, THAT YOU ARE SHOWING THE TRUE VALUE OF THE ASSETS.

IS THAT FAIR? BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE DEPRECIATION FROM A, UH, AN ROI INCOME REPORT REVENUES MINUS FIXED, BEARABLE RESERVES, ET CETERA, UM, YOU DON'T PARTICULARLY USE A DEPRECIATION FACTOR ON THE BUDGETS, DO YOU? SO, UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO GRASP WHERE THE CITY OF NEWBURN, UM, METHODOLOGY IS AS FAR AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THIS CHANGING THE METHOD OF DEPRECIATION.

I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

UM, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE METHOD OF DEPRECIATION.

WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE CHANGING IS ADDING IT TO THE ADOPTED BUDGET.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AT YEAR END.

IT'S GOT, IT HAS BEEN POSTED.

IT'S NOTHING THAT WE COME UP WITH.

IT'S ALL CALCULATED BASED ON WHAT THE USEFUL LIVES ARE OF THE, UM, EQUIPMENT OR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE.

THAT'S ALL WITHIN THE, UM, STATE, UM, MANUAL FOR THIS.

AND THEN, UM, THAT CALCULATION IS DONE BASED ON THE PURCHASE PRICE AND IT TELLS US WHAT OUR ANNUAL DEPRECIATION IS FOR THAT STRAIGHT LINE.

SO WE END UP GETTING THAT AND POSTING IT AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN WE CLOSE OUT THE FISCAL YEAR.

AND IN THE PAST, WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD ENOUGH TO BUDGET FOR IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN UNDER BUDGET AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

AND IF NOT, THEN WE WOULD ADJUST IT IN THAT FINAL BUDGET AMENDMENT.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN THE CASE NECESSARILY.

I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS ENOUGH AT THE END OF THE YEAR, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, TO COVER THAT AS A WHOLE.

WE ARE NOW GETTING TIGHTER WITH OUR BUDGET, SO WE'VE TIGHTENED THE BUDGET.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT WIGGLE ROOM, SO WE NEED TO ONE BUDGET FOR IT NOW.

AND, UM, TWO, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE, LET'S SKIP A COUPLE BECAUSE, SO FOR FUN, THIS HAS BEEN A BIG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE DEPRE DEPRECIATION AND, AND WHY.

SO IT IS THE COST OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND OUR CAPITAL ASSETS BASED ON THE USEFUL LIGHTS.

LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A NON-CASH EXPENSE, SO IT DOES NOT IMPACT THE CASH ON HAND, BUT IT IS CRITICAL TO SHOW THE TRUE COST OF THE UTILITY OPERATIONS.

IT'S JUST, SO YOUR BUDGETS YOU JUST PUT UP THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH DEPRECIATION.

I'M SORRY.

I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS THAT THOSE BUDGETS YOU JUST PUT UP THERE WERE REVENUES MINUS EXPENSES.

IT IS AN EXPENSE LINE.

IT'S AN EXPENSE LINE YOU HAVE TO EXPENSE OUT IN UTILITY AND THE PRICE FUNDS, YOU HAVE TO EXPENSE OUT THE DEPRECIATION FOR THAT FOR THAT YEAR.

I THOUGHT WE, THAT'S NOT WHAT, OKAY, I I'M SORRY.

AM I MISUNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION? NO, GO AHEAD.

REITERATE, IT DOESN'T AFFECT CASH.

YEAH, IT DOESN'T AFFECT CASH.

NO.

BUT YOUR NET POSITION, IT DOES FOR YOUR UTILITIES, YOUR ASSETS.

IS, WAS 9 CENTS, NOW THIS DEPRECIATION CHANGE IS NINE AND HALF PERCENT.

SO, UM, IT IS REQUIRED THOUGH FOR RATE SETTING, UM, SO THAT WE CAN, OUR RATES CAN COVER OUR FULL OPERATING COSTS, OUR DEBT OBLIGATIONS AND THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, IT IS REQUIRED BY GENERALLY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES, UM, FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND IT'S REQUIRED, UM, ALSO THROUGH THE GFOA, WHICH IS THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICE ASSOCIATION AND THE LGC GUIDANCE THAT HAS INDICATED THAT, WELL, WHAT I'M KIND OF GOING WITH THIS IS LIKE NEXT YEAR OR THE SUMMER MEETING, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE CHANGING DEPRECIATIONS SCHEDULE WAS WHAT I'D CALL IT, UM, ISN'T THAT IN EFFECT ON RAISE RATES? I'M NOT CHANGING THE DEPRECIATION SCHEDULE AND HOW WE DEPRECIATE.

WHAT I'M DOING IS INCLUDING IT IN THE BUDGET.

IT WAS NEVER INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET.

WELL, BUT TO INCLUDE IT IN THE BUDGET TO ME WOULD MEAN THAT IF CHARLIE'S DEPARTMENT IS SAYING THAT THE COST OF A KILOWATTS

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NINE AND HALF PERCENT.

AND THAT TO ME MEANS SOMEBODY'S GONNA GET A HALF PERCENT RATE, UH, RATE INCREASE.

SO WE HAVE, UM, WE PULL RIGHT FROM THE SYSTEM, WE CAN SET A FUTURE DATE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR, UM, DEPRECIATION WILL BE.

SO WE CAN CAPTURE THAT.

IT'S AN ESTIMATE, BUT IT'S VERY CLOSE.

WELL, I MEAN THE, WHAT THE IMPRESSION THAT I'M UNDER IS THAT BY INCLUDING THIS AS AN EXPENSE, WE CAN PLAN FOR FUTURE NEED TO SPEND ON INFRASTRUCTURE CARE, MAINTENANCE IMPROVEMENT, ALL OF THE ABOVE.

IT IS, IT IS ALWAYS BEEN AN EXPENSE.

ALWAYS.

SO THIS IS NOT NEW.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN EXPENSE.

YOU SEE IT AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE ADOPTED BUDGET.

SO WHEN WE SIT BEFORE YOU AT THE WORKSHOP, IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THOSE BUDGETS FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS.

HOWEVER, WE GOT TO THE END OF THE YEAR, THAT TRANSACTION GOT POSTED AND IT WAS IN THE EXPENSE ACCOUNT.

AND THEN, UM, BUDGETS WERE, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY WHETHER INFLATED OR, UM, THERE WAS ENOUGH TO ROLL OVER THAT FROM THE, UM, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR IT.

SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO REALLY COME BACK, GO SIGN A BUDGET AMENDMENT.

SHE DID AN AMENDMENT, YOU DIDN'T AMENDMENT.

YES, WE DID ONE, BUT I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT IT WAS ALWAYS INCLUDING THAT BE.

SO YOU'RE NOT ANTICIPATE DOING THIS MANY BUDGET AMENDMENTS UNDER, YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON HAVING AS MANY BUDGET AMENDMENTS THIS WAY? IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THIS REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS NECESSARILY.

UM, IT WOULD REDUCE THE BUDGET AMENDMENT AT THE END OF FY 27 BECAUSE OUR BUDGETS ARE TIGHTER.

MM-HMM .

WE DON'T, IF I DIDN'T INCLUDE THIS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THAT.

SO I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT.

BUT ALSO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING THESE, UM, FEASIBILITY STUDIES DONE AND WE NEED TO DO, UH, THE RATE STUDY, THEY NEED TO INCLUDE THIS WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR FY 27.

SO BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE COST TO DO, UM, SERVICE IS TO CAPTURE YOUR, SO THAT YOUR RATES WILL CAPTURE THE FULL EXPENSE.

AND WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT HISTORICAL DATA, THEY'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN IT BECAUSE IT'S, AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE YEAR IT GETS POSTED.

BUT MOVING FORWARD WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING IN INTO THE LOOKING AHEAD AND TRYING TO ESTIMATE OUR RATES, IT WASN'T PART OF THAT ORIGINAL BUDGET.

WELL, IS EVERYTHING IN THE CITY STRAIGHT LINE? YES.

IT'S NOT ACCELERATED.

I MEAN, BECAUSE SOME ASSETS ARE GOING TO THE AGED LIFE OVER ARE DIFFERENT MM-HMM .

BUT STRAIGHT LINE, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

SO YES AND NO.

UM, OLIVER AND WHITE, JUST KIND, IF YOU HAVE YOUR RATE SET RIGHT TO COVER THAT MM-HMM.

THEN IT IS ANTICIPATED YOU WOULD BE, WELL, BUDGETING APPROPRIATELY FOR YOUR FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL.

WHAT I DON'T, WHAT I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IS WE HAVE TRANSFORMERS AND THINGS THAT OUR WEIGHT PATHS ARE USEFUL LIFE AND I, AND WE'LL STILL USE 'EM.

SO, UM, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES, UM, IS DEPRECIATED OUT 10 OR 20 YEARS AGO, BUT WE'RE STILL USING IT THEN.

IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION OF THE DEPRECIATION.

IF IT'S BEEN FULLY DEPRECIATED, IT'S NOT PART OF THAT EXPENSE NUMBER.

SO YOU WANT TO GO BACK ONE.

SO THIS IS THE, UM, ENTERPRISE FUNDS BASED ON THE EXPENSE CATEGORIES WITH SALARIES AND BENEFITS, OPERATING DEPRECIATION, CAPITAL DEBT, UM, INSURED SERVICE TRANSFERS, AND TRANSFER TO FUND BALANCE.

COMPARING AGAIN, THE FY 26 ADOPTED WITH THE FY 27.

UM, ALTHOUGH CAPITAL HAS 29.6% INCREASE, IT'S ONLY CONSISTING OF A $881,750 CHANGE.

THE BIGGEST TWO AGAIN, ARE THE OPERATING COST WITH THE 4.9, ALMOST 5 MILLION, AND THEN DEPRECIATION WITH 7 MILLION.

AND THIS IS A TOTAL FOR ALL ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

SO HOW DOES THAT AFFECT RATES? HOW DOES THAT AFFECT RATES, WALKS THEIR WAY? WELL, WHEN, WHEN THEY DO THE RATE STUDIES, THEY INCLUDE THAT AS AN ANTICIPATED EXPENSE, AND THEY DID DO THAT WITH THIS LAST RATE STUDY, AND I THINK THEY DID WITH THE ONE BEFORE AS WELL, BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY HAVE HISTORICAL DATA, SO THEN THEY JUST ESTIMATE THE FUTURE DATE, YOU KNOW, FOR FUTURE YEARS.

BELIEVE THAT TAKES US RIGHT TO PAGE THIS ONE YOU, AND THEN WE'LL BE HEADING INTO PAGE 1 99.

AND THEN I

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ALRIGHT, SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND TURN TO PAGE 1 99.

WE'RE, WE'RE ONTO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS NOW WITH WATER.

SO, SO AS WE STATED EARLIER, WE ARE 2% FOR ALL EMPLOYEES.

THAT'S BASED ON THE 1.8% SOUTH REGION CPI CONSUMER PRICE INDEX AS OF FEBRUARY, 2026.

AND SO WE'VE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT POSITIONS WE RECOMMENDED AND SO, UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO BACK INTO THAT, BUT WE'LL GO INTO WATER FUND ON PAGE 1 99.

SO OUR WATER FUND DELIVERS HIGH QUALITY WATER OVER 19,500 CUSTOMERS IN NEWIN AND SURROUNDING AREAS.

THIS BUDGET EMPHASIZES CONTINUED INVESTMENT IN THE CITY'S WATER PRODUCTION AND DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS TO MAINTAIN RELIABLE SERVICE FOR EXISTING CUSTOMERS AND TO ADDRESS CAPACITY DEMANDS ASSOCIATED WITH REGIONAL GROWTH.

PROPOSED BUDGET IS 15,000,900, UH, THOUSAND 820, WHICH REPRESENTS A 16.6 INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT FY BUDGET.

WE'RE HAPPY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THE WATER FUND BUDGET.

AND OUR POLICY FOR TODAY'S CASH ON HAND FOR WATER IS, UH, CURRENTLY IS IT 240 DAYS? SO WHAT TODAY? A CASH ON HAND FOR THE WATER FUND? IT'S $37,370.

SO CURRENTLY, UH, AS OF THE MARCH UH, REPORT, WE HAVE 377 DAYS OF CASH ON HAND AND YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE THE, UH, DAYS OF CASH ON HAND CHART AND SEE THAT WE, WE DO HAVE A ROBUST AMOUNT THERE.

SO THE BENCHMARKS TWO 40, BUT WHAT'S OUR, DO WE HAVE A POLICY? WE HAVE A POLICY.

THE POLICY WAS ESTABLISHED I BELIEVE IN 2014 ON THE DAYS OF CASH ON END WATER FUND IS TWO 40 DAYS.

SO THAT IS THE BENCHMARK.

THAT'S DONE.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE WATER FUND? IF NOT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE SEWER FUND.

THIS IS ON PAGE TWO 19.

SEWER PROVIDES SERVICE TO OVER 20,950 CUSTOMERS IN NEW SURROUNDING AREAS.

THE BUDGET PRIORITIZES CONTINUED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SEWER TREATMENT AND COLLECTION SYSTEMS TO ENHANCE SERVICE RELIABILITY FOR EXISTING CUSTOMERS AND TO MEET CAPACITY DEMAND ASSOCIATED WITH REGIONAL GROWTH.

THIS BUDGET REFLECTS ONE NEW POSITION, TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET IS $17,093,950, WHICH SHOWS A 17.7% INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

DOES THAT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THE SEWER FUND? THE ONLY THING I SAY ABOUT THE SEWER FUND, I KNOW JORDAN, JORDAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, YOU KNOW, JUDGMENT DAY'S NOT HERE THIS YEAR, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT'S COMING UP THE ROAD.

UM, I WANT US TO BE AHEAD OF THE GAME THAT WE DON'T JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE A, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE TO MAKE A CERTAIN INCREASE IN FOR SC PURPOSES.

THE, THE 6.5 MILLION YES SIR.

UM, YOU PROBABLY LOOK 4.8 RIGHT NOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO, SO OUR MAIN TREATMENT PLAN, WE'VE GOT A PERMANENT CAPACITY OF SIX AND A HALF MILLION GALLON A DAY.

I'M TALKING ABOUT USING, ABOUT, YOU'RE USING ABOUT CURRENTLY RUNNING JUST OVER 4 MILLION GALLONS.

SO WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT AN AMPLE AMOUNT OF CAPACITY LOOKING AT CURRENT PROJECTIONS, WE'RE LOOKING SOMEWHERE TO THE END OF THIS DECADE AND GET INTO THE 2030 WINDOW.

PROBABLY WANTING TO BE WELL IN THE DESIGN PHASE OF THAT WITH CONSTRUCTION PROBABLY ANTICIPATED DEPENDING ON GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, DEPENDING ON DEMAND OF THAT TREATMENT SYSTEM.

CONSTRUCTION SOMEWHERE IN THE EARLY 2030S.

AND AND HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT CONSTRUCTION PERIOD WOULD TAKE? YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A THREE TO FOUR YEAR WINDOW FROM DESIGN TO PERMITTING TO CONSTRUCTION.

AND UM, AND WHAT WOULD KIND OF UP THE ROAD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER IT BE A BOND OR, UH, JUST LIKE WC APPROVED BANK FINANCING? THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT SOME INTERNAL MEETINGS IN THE, IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO TALK ABOUT FUTURE BOND PROJECTS.

EVEN LOOKING OUTSIDE OF THE FIVE YEAR WINDOW, THIS PROJECT WE LIKELY TO FALL IN AND WHAT SOME OF THE IMPACTS MAY HAVE AND TRYING TO KIND OF PULL THOSE OF OUR INTERNAL STRATEGIES THAT LARGER UTILITY TYPE PROJECTS.

SO TO ME, YOU KNOW, TO ME THE SILVER FUND IS, IS IS, UH, THE GO LAID GOVERNMENT AS FAR AS OUR, OUR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH CONTROL GROWTH.

UM, SO YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF YOU GET TOO FAR AHEAD OF THE GAME AND ENGINEER TOO EARLY, YOU MIGHT BE OBSOLETE WITH BECAUSE OF A NEW, SOME MANDATE

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STATE FEDERAL.

SO AGAIN, SYSTEMATICALLY FROM KNOWING THAT'S COMING, UM, ENGINEERING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN KIND OF ABSORB, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK FORWARD, UNFORTUNATELY TO THAT TIME PERIOD THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME EXPANSION.

BUT WE'RE GOOD THIS YEAR AND PROBABLY NEXT YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO NO CONCERN THIS YEAR, PROBABLY NEXT YEAR, BUT IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME DURING THE CURRENT TERM OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HERE IF WE DON'T ESTABLISH A, UH, TREATMENT PLAN, EXPANSION PROJECT FUND TO START LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING ANALYSIS THAT REQUIRED FOR THAT PROJECT, THAT THAT'S PROBABLY COME IN IN THREE TO FOUR YEARS AS WE START RAMPING UP AND PREPARE FOR THAT DESIGN PERMIT NEW CONSTRUCTION.

SO AS YOU'LL SEE ON THE SLIDE HERE, UM, ONE DAY OF CASH ON HANDS SEWER IS $39,792.

OUR BENCHMARK IS 1 75 DAYS.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE 246 DAYS OF CASH ON HAND AS OF MARCH OF THIS YEAR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE SEWER FUND? I THINK I MEANT THE ANSWER.

THIS IS FOR WATER AND SEWER, BUT I JUST WANT TO VERIFY WE'VE GOT A LITTLE OVER 2 MILLION FOR FUND BALANCE PREPARATION AND BETTER.

YES, SIR.

DO YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? I MIGHT.

WE'RE GONNA DO A FIGURE EIGHT WITH THIS QUESTION AND ROLL BACK TO THE DERE DEPRECIATION INSPECTION.

WELL, THAT WAS GONNA BE, MOST OF THAT IS TO COVER THE NEW EXPENSE WAS ADDED THIS YEAR FOR THE DEPRECIATION.

IT'S NOT AN OPERATIONAL INCREASE AT ALL.

THE OPERATIONAL INCREASES ARE VERY MILD.

THEY'RE THAT TWO OR 3% INCREASE.

UM, BUT THE LARGE, LARGE CHUNK OF THE INCREASE RECEIVED FROM LAST FISCAL, BOTH OF THOSE FUNDS GONNA BE THAT NEW DEPRECIATION THAT NOT NEW, NEW EXPENSE, BUT NOW ARE ING INCLOSURE AT THIS POINT IN THE MOTION.

SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A $2.4 MILLION CASH TRANSFER FROM GENERAL, FROM, FROM YOUR GENERAL FLYNN TO OPERATING.

THIS IS JUST A BALANCE OUT IS THE DEPRECIATION AMOUNT WE'VE ESTIMATED AND THIS IS WHERE THE REVENUE COMES FROM ABOUT CORRECT.

WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON SPENDING TWO OVER 2 MILLION MORE DOLLARS IF IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNT MECHANISM IN THE BACK TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING BALANCES UP.

I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON ALRIGHT, IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE TO THE ELECTRIC PHONE ON PAGE TWO THIRTY NINE NINE ELECTRIC PROVIDES SERVICE TO APPROXIMATELY 26,000 RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS.

THIS DEPARTMENT HOLDS A RELIABLE PUBLIC POWER PROVIDER CERTIFICATION AND THEY'RE DESIGNATED AS A SMART ENERGY PROVIDER.

THIS BUDGET REFLECTS AN ADDITIONAL FOUR NEW, ACTUALLY FIVE NEW.

THIS BUDGET DOES NOT REFLECT FIVE NEW, FOUR NEW POSITIONS.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING FIVE TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET AS OF RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT IS $75,630,980.

THAT REFLECTS AN 8.5% INCREASE.

AS YOU'LL SEE ON THE SLIDE.

ONE DAY OF CASH ON HAND IS EQUAL TO 183,600.

OUR BENCHMARK IS 90 DAYS.

AND OF COURSE YOU SEE HISTORICALLY ON THE CHART HOW LOW THAT'S BEEN.

SO AS OF MARCH, WE ARE CURRENTLY AT 81 DAYS CASH ON HAND.

NOW, UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL LINE ITEMS THAT WHEN WE HAD TO LOOK AT BALANCING THIS BUDGET, WE LOOKED HISTORICALLY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS OF HOW MUCH, UM, HAD BEEN USED ON THOSE LINE ITEMS AND SOME OF THEM WERE VERY FEW.

SO WE DID MAKE ADJUSTMENTS ON SEVERAL LINE ITEMS. UM, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT AT SOME POINT DURING THE SEPTEMBER BUDGET YEAR THAT CHARLIE WON'T COME BACK AND ASK FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT IF HE NEEDS THOSE FUNDS.

BUT WE COULD NOT JUSTIFY JUST AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF FUNDS EACH LINE ITEM BASED ON HISTORIC ASPECT OF THE BUDGET.

SO AGAIN, YOU MAY SEE SOME BUDGET MINUTES IN THE FUTURE ON THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ELECTRIC? ONLY THING I I WOULD SAY ON THE ELECTRIC IS WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY, LIKE WE'VE ALREADY SAID, EXAMINE THAT A LITTLE MORE FURTHER ABSOLUTELY.

IN SOME KIND.

YES, SIR.

I BELIEVE WE GOT SOME, WE GOT AN EMAIL WITH SOME CONCERNS ABOUT OPERATIONAL NEEDS BASED ON THE CURRENT BUDGET.

CAN CHARLIE SPEAK TO THAT? SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

IF HE PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT.

CHARLIE HAD SOME CONCERNS A, ABOUT THIS BUDGET, SO I'LL SHARE THAT WITH THE BOARD IF YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS, SIR.

UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S UH, IT'S REALLY KEY TO ATTRITION AND SUCCESSION PLANNING WITH THE ORGANIZATION.

UM, REGARDING PERSONNEL, UM, I, I STRONGLY WANT TO KEEP THE ENGINEERING MANAGER POSITION.

UM, I KNOW I'VE HAD DIFFICULTY FUNDING IT OR TO STAFFING IT IN THE PAST.

IT'S CONSTRAINED BY, BY UH, OUR PAY GRADES.

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SO I'D LIKE TO LEAVE IT FUNDED.

MAYBE I'LL GET LUCKY, UM, TO LOCK HIS OPPORTUNITY IN PREPARATION, UM, AND FIND THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THAT TO FILL THAT POSITION AND START, UH, HAVING THEM BRING BENEFIT TO THE UTILITY.

I DO HAVE A PERSON IN MIND, UM, BUT, UH, I, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT FUNDED IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN BEEN? UH, PROBABLY THREE YEARS-ISH.

SOMEWHERE IN THAT LONG, UM, SINCE JANUARY.

UM, AND THE PERSON THAT HAD THAT POSITION WAS PROMOTED, UM, OUT INTO A, INTO A LARGER ROLE.

SO EFFECTIVELY DOING TO JOBS AND THAT'S LARGELY NOT SUSTAIN.

I COMMEND FOR DOING THAT.

IS THERE ANY OVERLAP WITH THAT POSITION IN THE ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES GL? I UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION.

I'M SORRY.

IS THERE AN OVERLAP BETWEEN, LIKE YOU HAVE ELECTRICAL ENGINEER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES BUDGETED, IT WAS BUDGETED IN 95 THIS YEAR, THE RECOMMENDED IS THAT 50 IS, ARE THOSE SEPARATE, SEPARATE SERVICES OR IS THERE A OVERLAP BETWEEN THE TWO POSITIONS? SEPARATE SERVICES, THE ENGINEERING MANAGER STAFF POSITION, UM, I NEED SOMEBODY RESIDENT, UM, TO REALLY, UM, ASSIST WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE LIAISONS BETWEEN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE LINE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS LIAISONS COORDINATING WHAT HAPPENS, DISPATCHING AND CONTROL GROUP.

UM, THE ENGINEERING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IS FOR, UM, KIND OF EXTENSIONS OF OUR ENGINEERING AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES NEEDS AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT FOSTER WAS RECRUITING TO.

UM, WHAT HE PROPOSED IS A LITTLE LIGHTER ACROSS THE BOARD THAN WHAT I RECOMMENDED.

UM, AND, AND I MIGHT BE A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE IN MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT UM, I'M ANTICIPATING ADDITIONAL PROFESSIONAL NEEDS, UM, SERVICES FOR, UM, CONTINUING OUR RATE STUDY, UH, CONTINUING TO FORECAST A, A RATE PATH FORWARD.

I RATE PATH, UM, RATE DESIGN MODERNIZATION I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UM, WHICH INCLUDES THE TIME OF USE, RATE DESIGN AND COINCIDENT POWER RATE DESIGN.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ELECTRIC SYSTEM, COST BENEFIT STUDY, WHOLESALE MARKET POWER SUPPLY STUDY, PLAN, LOAD MANAGEMENT OPTIMIZATION, UM, PUTTING TOGETHER, UM, ENGINEERED ESTIMATES FOR THE CAPITAL PLAN.

UM, INTEGRATION WITH THE NEW MDM BETWEEN OUR CUSTOMER INFORMATION SYSTEM, OUR MI SYSTEM, OUR OMS AND ALL OF OUR METERING DEVICES.

UM, THROUGH OUR CAPACITY ISSUES, I HAVE SOME COORDINATION ISSUES, UM, THAT NEED TO BE REVISITED IN SYSTEM OF PROTECTION AND CONTROL AND, UM, DAY-TO-DAY CUSTOMIZATION OF, UM, OUR HANSEN, UM, CUSTOMER INFORMATION SYSTEM AS, UH, CUSTOMER NEEDS RISE AND, AND CUSTOMIZING OUR DOCS AND BILLING, UM, SERVICES, SERVICES.

SO JUST A HANDFUL OF, OF, OF PRESSURES ON THE UTILITY THAT I COULD USE HELP WITH OCCASIONALLY, UM, MY NUMBER MIGHT BE A BIT CONSERVATIVE, BUT, UH, THAT'S WHY I RECOMMEND ANTICIPATION OF POSSIBLY TO DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS AS A POLICY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO BE ABLE TO FUND THAT POSITION? UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE TRANSFERRING MONEY.

I BELIEVE OUR, OUR REVENUES EXCEED OUR BUDGET.

WE'VE ACTUALLY IN, IN THIS BUDGET, WE'VE ACTUALLY BUDGETED FUNDS TO GO INTO FUND BALANCE.

I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT $1.1 MILLION TO FUND BALANCE.

SO IF THE BOARD WANTED TO APPROVE THIS POSITION, WE WOULD JUST BASICALLY FILL THAT.

BUT DOES THAT NOT AFFECT THE CASH ON HAND? IT DOES NOT.

IT AFFECTS THE NET POSITION.

IT WILL NOT AFFECT THE CASH ON HAND.

WELL, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S VERIFY THAT BECAUSE THERE WERE TWO VERY DIFFERENT REACTIONS OVER THERE POSITION.

SO IT'S OPPOSED TO PULLING IT FROM .

YEAH, BECAUSE PUTTING,

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ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN IT.

YOU OKAY? WHAT POSITION ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? HOW MUCH? THE, HIS ELECTRIC ENGINEERING ENGINEERING, OKAY.

CURRENTLY FUNDED.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE BUDGET, YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE EXPENSES, SO IT WILL IMPACT YOUR CASH ON HAND.

IT'S CURRENTLY FUNDED NOW, BUT THIS YEAR, JUNE 26, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEXT YEAR.

SO, SO TO REMOVE PRODUCING, SO WE BUT IN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET, WE, THE REMOVAL OF THOSE TWO POSITIONS ACTUALLY PAID FOR THE FOUR POSITIONS THAT WERE ADDED.

THE REALLY, THOSE TWO SALARIES WERE EQUIVALENT TO THE FOUR THAT WERE ADDED? CORRECT.

THE ONLY ADDITIONAL EXPENSE REALLY WAS THE ADDITIONAL INSURANCE FOR THE ADDITIONAL TWO EMPLOYEES VERSUS, YOU KNOW, FOUR NEW INSTEAD OF THE TWO THAT WERE REMOVED.

SO THOSE SALARIES KIND OF OFFSET EACH OTHER, SO IT'S NO LONGER IN THERE.

AND WHAT WAS THE RECOMMENDED SALARY FOR THE, FOR ENGINEERING MANAGEMENT VERSUS A DIFFERENT ENGINEERING MANAGEMENT OR SOMETHING ELSE? THE CLASSIFICATION PLAN, IF YOU WANNA PULL IT UP AND SHOW WHAT THAT GRADE IS, DO YOU HAVE FOR THAT POSITION? YES.

THE ELECTRIC ENGINEERING MANAGER IS CURRENTLY AT A GRADE 26, UM, MIDPOINTS A HUNDRED, 2000 PLUS 40 GRAND IN MEMPHIS.

ROUGHLY 40,000 BENEFITS.

SO CLOSE TO A DATE.

FACT THAT MOST LIKELY THIS BOARD IS GOING TO, WELL YOU'RE DEFINITELY GONNA BE DISCUSSING A REVENUE BOND FOR SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ELECTRIC UTILITY.

SO YOU CAN GO FROM THEORETICALLY 81 DAYS CASH ON HAND TO 80 IF YOU WANTED THIS WITHOUT INCREASING YOUR RATES.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S STAG DOESN'T, NOT PROJECTIONS.

SHE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHY TO ASK THE QUESTION, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO MAKE THAT UP? AND I THINK THAT DEPENDS ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT WE COULDN'T BUDGET FOR IT MAKE UP THE, TO MAKE UP FOR THE DAY THAT YOU WOULD LOSE IF YOU FUNDED THE POSITION WITHOUT INCREASING YOUR REVENUE.

I, I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA BE OVER 90 DAYS BY, BY AUGUST WE WERE AT, UM, WE WERE IN THE FORTIES AND AUGUST I THINK, AND WE'RE WITH, AND AT THAT TIME THE RATE FORECAST, THE RATE PLAN WAS TO BE 90 DAYS JULY OF 2026.

WHEN THAT LATE PLAN WAS PUT TOGETHER, THAT WAS IN MAY OF 25.

THE ADJUSTMENTS DIDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL AUGUST.

SO IF THAT PLAN HOLDS TRUE, WE WOULD BE PLUS 90 DAYS CASH ON HAND IN AUGUST.

THE INDICATION FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT THAT WE'RE AT 81 RIGHT NOW HAS TO BEEN HOPEFUL THAT WE'RE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.

I KNOW, I KNOW.

IT'S WE TELLING ABOUT FUND BALANCE AND DAYS ON HAND THAT THAT CAN VARY SEASONALLY, JUST DEPEND ON ASSUMPTION, RIGHT? CORRECT.

DEPENDING ON WHEN YOU CAN, WHEN YOU CALCULATE IT.

WELL, WE'RE CALCULATING BASED ON THE BUDGET, RIGHT? WHAT'S BUDGET AND NOT ACTUALLY WHAT'S AN EXPENSE.

OTHERWISE YOU'D SEE THIS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

SO I MEAN, I WOULD THINK IT'D BE NINE DAYS SOMETIME IN SUMMER.

I, I BELIEVE IT WILL BE, HAS STAFF NOT ASKED US TO CHANGE THAT TO 120 DAYS OR AFTER REACHING THE, WE, WE WANT TO MEET OUR, OUR POLICY 90 DAYS CASH ON HAND AND THE GOAL IS TO START GROWING THAT WE DON'T WANNA SET A NEW POLICY UNTIL WE'RE ACTUALLY AT ONE 20.

THAT'S THE GOAL OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS TO, TO GET TO THAT POINT, REALIZING THE

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UM, THAT THIS ANSWER IS GONNA COME UP THIS SUMMER AND THOSE PROJECTS COULD BE OCCURRING IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO.

SO A LOT OF EXPENSES COMING AND SO THOSE, THOSE COSTS WILL BE PASSED ALONG TO THE CONSUMER.

THAT'S BESIDES THE OTHER END FORCE.

ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE ELECTRIC UTILITY? NO, I MEAN, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE ALL JUST, UH, COMING AT THIS FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES, BUT I, YOU KNOW, UH, IF I DON'T LIKE THE GAS DOWN IN WESTERN END OF TOWN, I JUST GO TO THE EASTERN END OF TOWN, GET MY GAS, AND THIS WHOLE MODEL IS JUST WHAT IT IS THERE.

YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, COME TO A CONCLUSION FROM 60 DAYS AGO THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ONE OF THESE NTE UH, PRIVATE SOURCE GENERATION THINGS LIKE KING'S MOUNTAIN, THAT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS, IT'S ONE-ON-ONE WITH DUKE IT, UH, CONTINUATION AND THE KEA, UM, OR GET OUT OF IT AND THERE'S, I I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF THIS.

SO I'M, I'M BOILING MYSELF DOWN TO A ONE-ON-ONE WOULD DO MYSELF, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS WHOLE IDEA OF SELLING THE ASSET WOULD I ASSUME HAVE TO BE LEGALLY, UH, APPROVED BY A REFERENDUM, BY THE, BY THE CITIZENS OF ER, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T KNOW THE, THE AMOUNT, I'D SAY 30% OF OUR ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT, UH, OUR CUSTOMERS DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY, SO THEY WOULD NOT BE VOTING ON THAT.

SO THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS OUT HERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET ALL THE DISTORTION OF THE DISSONANCE OUTTA MY WAY AS TO WHERE WE GOTTA GO AND WE'VE GOT, UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, AN ENTERPRISE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO RESPECT AND, UH, PROVIDE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FROM THAT, THE, THE SOONER WE CAN ALL SIT DOWN AND DECIDE THIS FIVE YEAR PLAN, I THINK THE FIRST YEAR IS A PRETTY GOOD SAFE HARBOR AT 13 MILLION AT THE 20.

SOMEBODY ELSE IS PAYING.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GONNA PAY ABOUT SEVEN.

BUT TO THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UM, I, I WANT TO, I WANT FROM, IF YOU TALK ABOUT STUDIES, I WANT, I WANT SOMEBODY TO HELP US DECIDE WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO WITH, WITH THE A HUNDRED MILLION BUCKS AND IS IT SMARTER WITH, AS WE ALL HAVE SEEN IN INFLATION.

AND IF YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, A MILLION DOLLAR TRANSFORMER, ANY OF YOUR FIVES GONNA BE A MILLION DOLLARS.

I THINK WE ALL KNOW IT'S GONNA BE 1.2 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SUMMER TO FINALLY RESOLVE THIS ISSUE, PUT OUR FEET FIRM IN THE GROUND AND VINCE GO FORWARD WITH THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION OF THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT.

I THINK FOR THE MATTER AT HAND, WITH THE BUDGETING, I MEAN, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE POSITION AND I WANT, THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BUT I THINK THE GOAL IS ALL HAS ARTICULATED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN SOME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

THERE'S A FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT THE WORKING GROUP IS TALKING WITH FOLKS ON THAT AGAIN, WE ALL DISCUSS AT OUR SUMMER RETREAT.

UM, IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, IT'S GONNA BE A REVENUE BOND, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE, WE HAVE TO MEET OUR POLICY AND REALLY OUR POLICY NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED.

SO IN ORDER FOR US TO CONTINUE ON THAT PATH FOR CASH ON HAND, AND YOU GOT A VACANT POSITION FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE NEED TO KEEP FUNDING AND PUTTING IT BACK INTO FUND BALANCE AND BUILD THAT NUMBER.

UM, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FEASIBLE THIS YEAR FOR THAT.

AND, AND KEEPING IN MIND NOW FOR THE NEXT, WHAT, HOW MANY YEARS? 10 YEARS? 20, 37, WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO AS A, AS A CITY, WE'RE LOCKED FOR KEMP FOR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOCKED INTO THAT, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT UNLESS, UM, ONE END OF THE VERTICAL MODEL, DUKE WANTS TO,

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THAT'S A 40 MILLION OR 1 0 1 PAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHICH AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

WHAT WAS THAT JOHN? IT'S A $40 MILLION BILL THAT WE HAVE TO PAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ANNUALLY, ROUGHLY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ELECTRIC? ALRIGHT.

NO, ONE MORE.

IF WE COULD, UH, WAIT AND THEN TAKE A BREAK FOR LUNCH.

YOU ALL ARE FINE WITH THAT.

SOLID WASTE.

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EXCUSE ME.

CAN WE, CAN WE, DO WE COMPLETE THIS PROCESS OF THIS POSITION OF HOW THE BOARD, SO POSITION, IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET, SO IT BOARD WANTS TO ADD SOME MONEY TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THAT WELL POSITION.

WHY CAN'T WE DO THIS? IT'S BEEN TWO AND A HALF YEARS SINCE HE'S HAD SOME, BEEN ABLE TO FIND SOMEBODY.

WHY DON'T, IF HE FINDS SOMEBODY, WHY DON'T HE COME BACK TO THIS BOARD AND THEN WE WILL, WE'LL FUND IT.

DIDN'T HE JUST SAY THAT HE HAS A PERSON IN MIND OR DID NOT MISUNDERSTAND? I THOUGHT YOU SAID HE HAD A PERSON IN MIND FOR HIS POSITION.

I DO HAVE SOMEBODY IN MIND.

UM, IT'S NO PROMISES, NO GUARANTEES.

I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO TALK TO A CANDIDATE AND SAY, I NEED BOARD APPROVAL.

UM, WHILE I'M GOING BACK AND FORTH.

SO, UM, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, THE POSITION IN MY MIND IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO SUCCESSION PLANNING, ATTRITION IN THIS ORGANIZATION.

UM, STAFF HAS BEEN MAKING IT WORK WITHOUT IT, UM, A BLESSING FOR IT, BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO GET UP, GET SOMEBODY IN THAT POSITION IF I, IF I DON'T, IF I DON'T FIND THE RIGHT PERSON.

WE DON'T SPEND THE MONEY JUST SO, SO CHARLIE, HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU FEEL THAT THIS POSITION IS NEEDED FOR THE PROCESS THAT'S COMING UP WITH ALL THE ENGAGEMENTS AND COMMUNICATION AND THE WORK STUDY? I MEAN, THE STUDIES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE MEETINGS WITH YOU, HOW IMPORTANT IS THIS PERSON GONNA PLAY IN THAT ROLE? RIGHT, EXACTLY.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE, WHY YOU WERE REQUESTING THIS POSITION.

SONYA, HOW LONG, UH, HAS IT BEEN SINCE THIS POSITION WAS ADVERTISED? IT'S BEEN VACANT.

IT'S BEEN VACANT.

UM, 23.

HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE BEEN ADVERTISED? WE ADVERTISED IT IN NOVEMBER OF 2022 AND WE STOPPED THE ADVERTISING IN NOVEMBER OF 2025.

SO JUST FOR CONTEXT, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO FUND THIS.

UM, IF THE BOARD WANTS TO FUND THIS AT SOME POINT, YOU ARE WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO DO THAT.

IF WE DECIDE TO FUND THIS POSITION AND NOBODY FILLS THE POSITION FOR SIX MONTHS, THEN WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR HALF OF THAT SALARY.

NO, YOU, IT WOULD BE BUDGETED FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR.

BUT IF WE DON'T ACTUALLY SPEND IT OR ONLY SPEND HALF OF IT, THIS IS EQUIVALENT TO ONE DAY OF FUNDING THAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE BEEN ON AN UPWARD TRAJECTORY.

LIKE I JUST, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN PART OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT DIDN'T HAVE GOOD SUCCESSION PLANNING AND IT WAS PRETTY BAD.

SO I THINK MORE DECISIONS.

MIKE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THE POSITION BACK.

I'LL MAKE THE, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION ADD.

SO, OKAY.

HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ADD THE POSITION BACK AS A FURTHER DISCUSSION.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL FOR ALDERMAN FERGUSON.

ALDERMAN FERGUSON? YES.

OKAY, WE'VE GOT ONE MORE.

UH, THEN TAKE A BREAK.

SOLID WASTE.

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SO SOLID WASTE OVERSEES THE LOOSE, UH, LOOSE LEAF AND SANITATION COLLECTION SERVICES FOR BOTH RESIDENTS AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES.

THEY PLAY A LARGE ROLE IN THE LITTER PROGRAM.

THE TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET IS 5 MILLION 4 29 40.

THIS REFLECTS 6.3% INCREASE OF THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON SOLID WASTE? ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS DEPRECIATION.

END OF, I GUESS THAT'S JUST YOU GOT IN RIGHT? THE DEPRECIATION.

MORE OF AMENDMENT, THEN PROBABLY .

AND I KNOW SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MORE HISTORIC,

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STRAIGHTFORWARD, SOLID PLACE.

WHERE DO WE FIND WHERE, HOW MUCH WE REVENUE FROM SELLING THE LOOP CHIPS? IS THAT GEORGE? UM, GEORGE HERE? YEAH.

GIVE A, GIVE US AN UPDATE ON HOW SUCCESSFUL WE'VE BEEN WITH SELLING.

UM, WOOD CHIPS.

THIS IS A, UH, UH, A VARIABLE SEASONAL THING ON ONE, HOW MUCH WOOD CHIPS WILL PRODUCE.

AND TWO, THE MAJORITY OF IT HAS TO DO WITH WIND.

WOOD ENERGY IS ACTUALLY ACCEPTING MATERIAL.

SO IF THEY'RE PLANTS DOWN OR IT'S A LOW ENERGY CONSUMPTION TIME AND THEY WE'RE VERY LIMITED BY WHEN WE'RE LIMITED, WHEN THEY CAN INTAKE MATERIAL, THE RETURN ON WHAT WE GET IS REALLY JUST A, IT'S ABOUT 10 A TON.

SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF REVENUE FOR SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT, BUT WHAT IT DOES ALLOW US TO DO IS LOT OF BULK MATERIAL.

SO IF WE SAW THE 25 TO 10,000 REVENUE A YEAR, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE WHERE WE WOULD AVERAGE UNLESS WE SEE THEM KIND UPGRADE, WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPLY SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I KNOW WHEN YOU WERE ACTING PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND FIRE CHIEF, WE GOT THAT GRINDER REPAIRED.

REMEMBER THAT? YES SIR.

AND I THOUGHT WE SPENT ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AT THAT TIME, BUT UM, WE, WE SPENT ALL THAT MONEY AND THEN THE GUY OUT THERE PLANT WAS COMPLAINING THAT OUR BTUS ON OUR WASTE WERE NOT WHAT HE WAS LOOKING FOR.

THAT THE SOUTHERN PINE IS SUCH A HIGHER YIELD THAT HE WASN'T THAT INTERESTED IN A PRODUCT.

IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? AND AND THAT IS TRUE IN THE, WHAT MATERIAL WE HAVE ON SITE.

IF WE HAVE A LOT OF TREE REMOVAL GOING ON AND WE SUPPORT, UH, ELECTRIC UTILITIES WHEN THEY'RE DOING VEGETATIVE, TURING, THEY'RE TAKING TREES DOWN, THEY BRING THOSE TO OUR YARDS.

SO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPLY SOME HIGHER MATERIAL.

PUT WE'RE BURNING STRAIGHT TREES THAT FIRST IT'S JUST FINDING LIMBS OR UM, VEGETATED DEBRIS WE PICK UP AT OUR TRUCKS AND WE HAD ALL THAT STUFF.

REMEMBER THAT HURRICANE OUT THERE AT BOSTON CREEK NOT FILED AND WE WERE HAVING A HARD TIME, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT JUST WASN'T THE BTU CORRECT? THAT HE WAS LIVABLE.

YEAH, THEY FOR, BUT WE STILL DO, WE STILL DO HAVE A TUB DRIVER.

WE STILL GRIND AND WE STILL ALL WHERE WHERE ARE Y'ALL GETTING RID OF MOST OF THAT NOWADAYS? WHO'S IT? YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE BREAKS DOWN.

WE, WE WE'RE NOT SET UP MORE PERMITTED TO, UH, SUPPLY TO THE PUBLIC, BUT WITH NEW STATE STANDARDS, SO STATE, UM, IT JUST BREAKS DOWN BACKWARDS.

GOTCHA.

JUST TURN IT.

DO YOU STILL TRUCK ANY GAS NOW? SO BAD.

BUT YOU, YOU DON'T TRUCK ANY PLUMBING ANYMORE? UH, NO.

IT, IT JUST GOES OUT TO INDUSTRIAL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON SOLID WASTE? ALRIGHT, FAIR.

NOT IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE A BREAK.

I THINK WE'VE GOT LUNCH HERE, SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO TAKE A RECESS FOR LUNCH.

I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OKAY, RECESS.

OKAY, WE ARE BACK FROM LUNCH AND UH, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU.

SO AFTER AN EXCITING MORNING, WE'RE NOW GONNA FOCUS OUR KIDS ON GENERAL FUND.

THAT TRUE OR TO BE FUNNY.

ALRIGHT, SO KIM, IF YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND START US OFF.

SO THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET INCLUDES 2% COLA FOR ALL EMPLOYEES.

UM, THE NEW, THERE'S NO NEW, UH, GENERAL FUND FULL-TIME POSITIONS EXCEPT FOR ADDING THAT YOU GUYS.

THE ESTIMATED VALUATION IS 5 BILLION, QUARTER 70 MILLION.

UM, A REDUCTION OF TWO POSITIONS, WHICH IS A SPECIAL PROJECT COORDINATOR WITH PARKS AND REC THAT HAS BEEN VACANT SINCE FEBRUARY, 2025.

AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, UM, FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, WHICH WAS VACANT SINCE NOVEMBER, 2025.

AND OUR FUND BALANCE ALLOCATION, UM, REQUEST IS FOR $500,000.

SO, UM, THE, A TAX REVENUE IS 36% OF THE BUDGET.

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AND UM, AT THE 39 CENT, UM, TAX RATE, OUR REVENUES WOULD BE 21 MILLION, THREE 33,000.

UM, ASSESSED PROPERTY VALUES INCREASED BY 145,000 OR MILLION, SORRY, WHICH IS 565,500 IN ADDITIONAL REVENUES OVER LAST YEAR SUMMIT 30 X.

AND THEN JUST AS A NOTE, FOR EVERY PENNY IS $547,000 IN REVENUE, THE EVER ALARM TAX RATE IS PROPOSED TO BE 42 CENTS IN THIS BUDGET.

3 CENTS IS THE, OR 2.75 IS THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE, UM, DEDICATED THE DEBT PAYMENTS TO THE GEO BOND.

AND THEN A QUARTER OF A PENNY IS THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE TO SUPPORT GENERAL FUND OPERATIONS AND BALANCE THE FY 27 BUDGET.

AND THAT, THAT GIVES US $136,750 AT THE BY 27 BUDGET.

UM, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE IMPACT OF THE TAX RATE, UM, FOR EVERY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF PROPERTY VALUE IS AN INCREASE OF $30.

UM, SO IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED THOU LOOKING AT THAT FIRST COLUMN, UM, IF THE CURRENT TAX RATE IS THREE $190 ANNUALLY, AND THEN ONCE YOU ADD THE BOND REFERENDUM AND THE ROUND OUT OF THE 3 CENTS TOTAL, THEN THE COST IS AN ADDITIONAL $30 WITH A PRO PROPOSED TAX RATE OF 42 CENTS.

AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TWO, UM, PROPERTY VALUE OF $200,000 TOTAL, THE ADDITIONAL COST WOULD BE $60.

AND FOR $300,000, UM, PROPERTY VALUE, IT'S $90.

SO THE, THE BOND REFERENDUM AMOUNT, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT ALL OF THE BOND REFERENDUM.

SO HOW MUCH LEFT FAR TO THE, LIKE IF WE WERE TO JUST IMPLEMENT ALL OF THE BOND REFERENDUM THAT WAS APPROVED, HOW MUCH WAS THAT? WE DID EVERY BIT OF THAT.

THAT'S ALL OF IT.

YEAH, THAT'S ALL OF IT.

SO YOU'RE GONNA, IT'S BASICALLY FRONT LOAD.

THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF, OF BOND COUNCIL.

UM, BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS, UH, AND, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BONDS, I BELIEVE THE GENERAL FUND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ON WHERE THINGS ARE.

BUT YES, THAT'S IT.

SO THAT WASN'T THE ORIGINAL PLAN THOUGH, RIGHT? BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, WE, WE LOOKED AT INCREMENTAL THINGS, BUT IT WAS REALLY GONNA BE MORE DIFFICULT.

WE NOT DO THAT.

IT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO IT THAT WAY IN A SENSE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THIS, IT WAS WELL OVER 3 CENTS, I WANT TO SAY ALMOST HIT LIKE A 4% AND THEN IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, GO DOWN AND VALUE UP AND GO UM, ADJUST LATER.

BUT THIS WAY IT WAS CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD AND WE, WE CONSISTENTLY GET MOST REVENUE DONE.

OKAY, SO, UM, BASED ON THE BUDGET, THIS IS HOW THE TAX DOLLARS ARE SUPPORTING, UM, YOUR COMMUNITY AND UH, WE HAVE 38% IN PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL, 24% IN THE OTHER GENERAL FUND PERSONNEL.

UM, IT'S HARD TO SEE THAT ACTUALLY.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE 8%, 6% CAPITAL, 5% SUPPLIES, MATERIALS, AND 2% PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

WE JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS A A FUND SLIDE, 2% STORM WATER, 2% TRANSFERS TO OTHER FUNDS.

SO ALL STORM WATER EXPENSES HERE, UM, INCLUDING PERSONNEL WITHIN THAT STORM WATER CATEGORY.

SO THAT'S THE FULL AMOUNT FOR STORM STORMWATER.

AND THEN THIS IS OUR COMPARISON CHART AND THIS, UH, LOOKS AT THE VALUE.

WHEN LOOKING AT THE CHART, I LOOK AT THE VALUE OF THE PENNY AND THE TOTAL AVALOR REVENUES, NOT JUST THE TAX RATE.

SO WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING NEW BURDEN, THE 10 OTHER MUNICIPALITIES NEW VERN IS CURRENTLY THE LOWEST RATE AT 39 CENTS WITH REVENUES OF $547,000 FOR EVERY PENNY TOTALING 21.2 MILLION IN EOR TAX REVENUE COMPARED TO, LET'S SAY STATES BILL WITH THE RATE OF 51.76 CENTS, THEIR REVENUES ARE 537,259 PER PENNY AND THEIR ESTIMATED AVALOR IS 27.5 IN REVENUES, JACKSONVILLE AT 60 CENTS WITH A VALUE OF $427,550 AND TOTAL REVENUES OF 25.3 MILLION.

OUR COLLECTION RATE IS AMONG THE HIGHEST AT 99.43%.

WE ARE NOT LOSING REVENUES

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DUE TO COLLECTIONS.

SO NEW BERN'S TAX BASE IS IN THE MID HIGH RANGE COMPARED TO OTHERS, BUT OUR RATE IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN COMPARABLE CITIES.

MOST ARE RANGING FROM THE 50 TO 60 CENT RANGE.

SO THESE ARE SIMILAR.

SO THESE WITH SIMILAR OR SMALLER VALUATIONS ARE GENERATING MORE REVENUE.

STANFORD AT 26.3 MILLION STATES BILL 27.5 MILLION AND ECONOMIC 26.9 THAT IS UM, 5 MILLION OR MORE GAP.

THE UM, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE PAYGO OPERATING, UM, CAPITAL PURCHASES, SO PAYING FOR THAT ON CASH BASIS, UM, FOR VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE ON A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE.

FUNDING VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS AND SMALL CAPITAL PURCHASE ON A CASH BASIS SAVES INTEREST IN ISSUANCE COSTS, FUNDING THE TRUE COST OF NASA ONLY VEHICLES HAVE A USEFUL LIFE OF FIVE YEARS FINANCIALLY.

TYPICAL.

UM, I'M SORRY, WHERE WAS I? YOU POST TO HAVE A USEFUL LIFE OF FIVE YEARS, FINANCING IS TYPICALLY OVER FIVE YEARS.

IN SOME CASES WE ARE PAYING FOR SOMETHING THAT WE MAY HAVE ALREADY PLACED.

SO LOOKING AHEAD I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACT ON FINANCING, OPERATING, UM, RECURRING CAPITAL, THE IMPACT FROM RATING AGENCIES AND THEN, UM, JUST BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SAVE THAT INTEREST COST BUT THAT SHOULD BE USED FOR LARGE LONG LIFE ASSETS SUCH AS INFRASTRUCTURE, FIRE, TRUCTURE AND BUILDINGS.

SO WE'RE TALKING, LOOKING AT THE COMPARISON OF THE TAX RATES AND, AND OUR DEBT INCREASING AND LOOKING AT COMPARING WITH THE OTHER, UH, MUNICIPALITIES.

IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO START PLANNING IN THE FUTURE OF A PENNY OR TWO OR JUST KIND OF WORKING TOWARDS THAT, PAYING FOR SOME OF THAT CAPITAL THAT FIVE YEAR AND UNDER CAPITAL WITH CASH AND SETTING THAT MONEY ASIDE.

JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

SO, UM, OUR SALES TAX ESTIMATED IN THIS BUDGET IS AT A 5% INCREASE, UM, OVER FY 26 ACTUAL, I'M SORRY, ANTICIPATED ACTUAL RESULTING IN 805,000 INCREASE PER TOTAL OF FY 27 BUDGET OF 12.9 MILLION.

SO THE LARGEST COST OF THE GENERAL FUND IS ITS PEOPLE WITH PERSONNEL COSTS CONSISTING OF 69% OPERATING COSTS, 22% CAPITAL AT 7% AND DEBT TRANSFERS AT 2%.

TRANSFERS INCLUDE $400,000, UM, FROM STREETS TO THE ROADWAY.

PROJECT IMPROVEMENTS, PROJECT FUND AND ROADWAY ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT ACCOUNTS IN STREETS WAS REDUCED FROM $800,000 OR TO ZERO FIVE.

THE GENERAL FUND EXISTING DEBT PAYMENTS OF 3,336,648 REMOVED FROM GENERAL FUND TO THE UM, DEBT FUND.

SO THIS IS THE GENERAL FUND EXPENSES BY CATEGORY AND AS A REMINDER, THE UM, DECREASE IS DUE TO THE DEBT SERVICE.

SO, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT REFLECTED IN THAT LAST TIME THE DEBT TRANSFERRED DEBT AND TRANSFERS.

UM, BUT OVERALL SALARIES ARE INCREASED 2% AND OPERATING COSTS 5.2% IN CAPITAL 43.2%.

SO THE INCREASES, UM, CONSIST OF THE SALARIES WITH $465,000 WITH 2% BENEFITS AT 3%, UM, $290,000.

THAT INCLUDES THE LONGEVITY AND THE, UM, RETIREMENT RATE INCREASE CONTRACTED SERVICES.

WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL AVALOR COLLECTION FEE, UM, FROM THE COUNTY AND THEN THE PROPERTY VEHICLE INSURANCE LEASE CONTRACTS INCLUDING THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS AT THREE $24,000 TOTAL SUPPLIES INCREASED BY 200,000 AND THEN CAPITAL INCREASES OF 1,006,000 AND THAT IS 118,000 OF IT IN IT.

167,000 IN LEASE.

268,000 FIRE, 77,000

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PARTS AND RACKS, 420,000 WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND A DECREASE OF 44,000 WITH SERVICES.

SO OUR TOTAL IS 2.6 UM, MILLION INCREASE IN.

OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND SO YOU NINE.

SO THIS BUDGET DOES INCLUDE AN ALLOCATION OF SUPPORT ALLIES OF CHERRY POINTS TOMORROW IN THE AMOUNT OF 14,200.

THAT ALSO INCLUDES FOREIGN SALARIES AND TRAVEL.

SO DURING THE BUDGET RETREAT, THE MAJORITY DID NOT WANT TO INCLUDE COLA FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

UM, AND THAT 2% COLA WAS INCLUDED IN THIS NUMBER IN ERROR.

THE TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET IS $286,842, WHICH REPRESENTS 3.3% DECREASE OVER RECURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

SO UNLESS I HEAR OTHERWISE FROM THE BOARD, THIS BUDGET WILL BE REDUCED BY $1,900 TO REMOVE THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE GOVERNING BOARD? ? I HAVE A QUESTION.

I KNOW THAT, UM, CHERRYPOINT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF NEWBURN.

UH, HOWEVER, I THINK THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT OF CHANGE WITH ACT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS AND DID WE ACTUALLY GET A REQUEST FROM THEM THIS YEAR? WE DID NOT.

DID.

NO, BUT SOME YEARS THEY HAVE NOT SENT US A FORMAL REQUEST.

THEY WOULD SEND US AN INVOICE AFTER WE'VE APPROVED THE BUDGET.

JUST, JUST BRINGING IT UP.

THAT'S A 14,200, 14,200 EXPENSE.

I THINK WITH THE CHANGES IN BRACK THAT THAT'S THE REASON ON AND OUTLAW YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER.

I MEAN THAT WAS THE REASON THAT WAS CREATED, RIGHT? OH, FROM BRACK AND I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT PROCESS HAS CHANGED NOW.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORTHY CALLS IN OUR CITY, IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I JUST THINK IT'S ONE THAT WARRANTS SOME DISCUSSION, BUT THAT MAY JUST BE ME.

ARE THEY STILL ACTIVE? YEAH.

MARVIN, ARE YOU? YEAH, THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE.

I MEAN, I THINK IF THE BE, I GUESS THE BIG PROMISE THAT WE GET FROM IT IS THE AMOUNT OF, UH, PERSONNEL THAT, THAT LIVE PATRON, CITY, CITY, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PART OF A BASE THAT ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

SO I GUESS THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONNECTION IS, IS HAVING THAT, THAT I GUESS THAT CONNECTION AND THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT WE ALL WORK TOGETHER, I GUESS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON GOVERNING POOL? NO, WE'LL GO TO PAGE 1 0 1 AND THIS IS ADMINISTRATION.

ADMINISTRATION INCLUDES THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, WHICH INCLUDES THE ASSISTANT MANAGER OF THE CITY CLERK COMPANY INFORMATION OFFICER.

PROPOSED BUDGET IS $1,045,248 REFLECTS A 0.1% INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT BUDGET.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? UM, ONLY QUESTION ABOUT THAT WOULD BE, UH, WHERE, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CITY HALL ITSELF AND IS THE BUILDING BEING FULLY UTILIZED? CITY HALL'S A IT IS AN INTERESTING BUILDING.

UM, IT IS A BIG BUILDING, BUT IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO A LOT OF OFFICES THAT THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING.

I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO PULL ANOTHER DEPARTMENT OR SOMETHING IN THERE, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A LOT OF REMODELING IF WE DO.

AND OF COURSE AT CITY HALL WAS ORIGINALLY A POST OFFICE AND, AND SEVERAL OTHER THINGS OVER THE YEARS, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT TO DO CONSTRUCTION ON THAT.

CURRENTLY.

ADV ADMIN AND IT ARE IN THERE, IT IS ON THE THIRD FLOOR.

SECOND FLOOR IS PRETTY MUCH USED UP WITH, WITH THE COURTROOM, UH, THE BOARD MEETING ROOM.

WE'VE GOT, WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT TWO MEETING ROOMS UP THERE NOW, UH, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THEN DOWNSTAIRS WHERE OUR, WE'RE GETTING READY TO MOVE THE CLERK TO ANOTHER OFFICE CLOSE TO THE BACK WHERE EVERYONE ELSE IS BIGGER OFFICER.

ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH, I I I STILL, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE REGRETS THAT I HAVE OF DECISIONS I'VE MADE THE PAST AND THAT WAS SUPPORTING THE ELEVATOR WHEN WE DIDN'T FULLY DO IT THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.

ARE WE,

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YOU, YOU CURRENTLY WALK IN TO THE NEW ELEVATOR ANNEX AND YOU'RE GREETED BY ELEVATOR DOOR AND A WALL AND SOME EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11 SIGNS THAT HAVE ARROWS POINTING YOU TO THIS MAZE.

AND I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S TWO THINGS I I THINK THAT THE BOARD NEEDS TO ADDRESS IS, IS THAT GONNA BE THE NEW MAIN ENTRANCE OF CITY HALL? AND IF IT IS, THEN WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW PEOPLE ARE GREETED, WHETHER IT'S A TV, WHETHER IT'S A COMPUTER, WHETHER IT'S A PERSON FOR A SERIES OF HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS PUT ON THE WALL.

WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THERE TO GREET SOMEBODY WHEN THEY WALK IN VERSUS A SIGN THAT POINTS THEM IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND NOW BRENDA KEEPS THAT DOOR SHUT BECAUSE IF NOT, PEOPLE WOULD JUST PERUSE RIGHT THROUGH HER OFFICE.

IT, IT'S, IT'S VERY CLUNKY IN HOW YOU WALK THROUGH THERE AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

THAT'S ONE ISSUE.

THE SECOND ISSUE, I KNOW WE PUT SOME SECURITY UPGRADES, BUT THE ONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR DOESN'T WORK.

LIKE IT'S ALWAYS UNLOCKED UNLESS YOU TELL ME THAT THERE'S SPATIAL RECOGNITION AND WHEN IT SEES ME, IT AUTOMATICALLY UNLOCKS 'CAUSE IT'S ALWAYS UNLOCKED.

AT LEAST BEFORE THERE WAS A KEY THAT IT, IT STAYED LOCKED.

BUT I THINK SOME OF THOSE UPGRADES PROBABLY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.

WE WILL, BASICALLY THE UPGRADES WE MADE, THOSE DOORS SHOULD BE LOCKED BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO PRESS A BUTTON, THE CLERK, THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, AND THE ADMIN ALL CAN SEE BASICALLY WHO, WHO'S AT THAT.

IF ANY OF THOSE DOORS, IT CAN BUS PEOPLE IN.

SO SECOND FLOOR IS ALWAYS UNLOCKED, ALWAYS LOCKED.

JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME, BUT WE GOT OTHER STAFF THERE THAT, I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SECURITY.

BUT YOU DID BRING UP A GOOD POINT ON IS THAT THE NEW ENTRANCE OF CITY HALL.

I MEAN, I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT BIG GLASS DOOR, THE REASON WE BLOCKED THAT ENTRANCE IS BECAUSE IT'S BROKEN AND THEN THE REPAIR IF IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

BUT I, I MEAN HISTORICALLY THAT HAS BEEN THE ENTRANCE TO CITY HALL AND MANY PEOPLE HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE AND THAT'S A NICE ENTRYWAY INTO THE KIND OF OFFICE SUITE.

IF BRENDA'S OFFICE IS GONNA BE MOVED, THAT AREA CAN BE MORE SEATING OR SOMETHING AND YOU KIND OF PUSH DOWN INTO THE OTHER BUILDING.

IF YOU HAD SOME OF THE ARTIFACTS THAT BRENDA'S GOT IN STORAGE PUT BACK UP, I MEAN I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT OPENING, LIKE THAT ENTRANCE TO BE UTILIZED BECAUSE THAT IS THE HISTORIC GRAND ENTRANCE OF CITY HALL.

SO I KNOW WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

THAT GLASS DOOR ONE CAN, I THINK IT WAS ON THE BOTTOM.

GEORGE HAS THAT BEEN PREPARED YET? THEY HAVE GOT THE HAND PIN BASE PLATE REPLACED WHERE THEY'VE GOT WORK ON THE ACTUAL CRASH MECHANISM.

NOW SWING BACK, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HAVING A REPAIR AND OF COURSE ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH A, A DOOR LIKE THAT IS AN EXTREMELY ILL DOOR.

YOU CAN'T GET PARTS READILY AVAILABLE.

THAT'S WHY THAT HAS BEEN CLOSED.

BUT YEAH, AND ONCE THEY FINISH THEIR REPAIRS, I'M HAPPY TO IT AGAIN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON A MA'AM? ALRIGHT, IF NOT, WE'LL GO TO LEGAL.

PAGE 1 0 6.

SO WE CONTRACT WITH STATE HARTMAN, RIGHT RIGHTS FOR CITYWIDE LEGAL SERVICES.

THIS BUDGET IS SUGGESTED EVERY OTHER YEAR BASED ON CHANGES ON THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX.

THIS BUDGET REFLECTS AN INCREASE THIS YEAR OF $19,072.

WE'VE GOT A HANDOUT FOR YOU THAT, UH, THE ATTORNEY HAS PROVIDED FOR YOU TO REVIEW.

AND THIS IS SISTER CITY LEGAL SERVICE COMPARISON ON THE, ON THE FIRST PAGE ON WHAT OUR SISTER CITIES ARE PAYING AND THE SERVICES THAT ARE BEING OFFERED BY THAT LEGAL COUNSEL.

AND THEN YOU'LL ALSO SEE A CHART OF, UM, THE LEGAL FEES AND HOW THEY ALL COMPARE AS WELL.

AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT MAY ARISE, UH, DURING THE YEAR BOARD MAY CONSIDER $3,500 FOR DISCRETIONARY FUNDING AND THAT'S $500 FOR THE MAYOR AND THE ALDERMAN EACH.

THERE ARE NONE.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO PAGE 1 0 7.

THIS IS SPECIAL APPROPRIATIONS FUNDING FOR VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, INITIATIVES AND EXPENDITURES THAT BENEFIT THE CITY ARE INCLUDED IN THIS.

AND THIS INCLUDES A $75,000 ALLOCATION TO THE NEW CRAVEN COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY.

$15,158 TO THE CR ALLIANCE.

75,000 FOR

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AND THEN $3,000 FOR, UH, CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS AT CITY HALL.

I BELIEVE SOME OF THE ARCHES AND THINGS HAVE TO BE REWORKED THIS YEAR.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT INCREASE.

SO THAT TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET IS $188,694, WHICH REPRESENTS A 55.7% INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT YEAR.

DO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE LIBRARY? THERE IS A CONTRACT WITH THE LIBRARY, YES.

AND HOW LONG IS IT GOOD FOR? I DON'T THINK IT HAD AN ENDING DATE.

AND I BELIEVE BRENDA, WHAT, WHAT DATE WAS THAT CONTRACT EXECUTED? IT IT IS BEEN, IT WAS IN THE 1980, LATE 1980S AND THERE'S NO TERMINATION.

IT INCLUDED SOME THINGS ABOUT ORDER AND SEWER RATES IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK.

SO IT WAS A MULTIPART AGREEMENT THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE REVISITED SOME POINT.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THE INDUSTRIAL, AND THEY ALSO SENT A REQUEST REQUEST FOR MORE MONEY, RIGHT? MORE MONEY.

THEY DID SEND A REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING THE, THE WORK SESSION AND, AND I DID NOT GET IN, TAKE DIRECTIONS TO THE BOARD TO INCLUDE ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS BUDGET.

DID THEY EVER SUPPLY US WITH THEIR FINANCIAL RESOURCES, LIKE THEIR FUNDING SOURCES? THEY'VE NEVER OFFERED ANY OF THAT INSPECTION TO US.

YEAH, CAN GET IT.

WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE THAT WE GIVE THEM? HIGH BUDGET.

I CAN GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.

YEAH, THAT'S, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

I KNOW IT WAS VERY SMALL COMPARED TO THEIR OVERALL BUDGET.

EFFECTIVE WOULD BE CHANNEL THREE IS.

IN NEW BERN REGIONAL BECAUSE MOST OF THAT FUNDED IN THE COUNTY.

SO WHAT ARE WE, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S THE ONLY SERVICE THAT WE REALLY GET FROM IS OUR CITIZENS THAT UTILIZE THE LIBRARY, THAT SPACE FOR IT, THE SERVICE THAT WE, I MEAN THE BENEFIT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THIS 75,000 I BELIEVE THAT WE USED TO PAY FOR PERIODICALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, ON THAT? IF THERE ARE, WE TURN TO PAGE 1 0 9 FOR THE PAGE CHANNEL P CHANNEL THAT, THAT IS PROGRAM THREE TV TO PROPOSED BUDGET THIS YEAR IS $51,437, WHICH IS A DECREASE OF 53.2% OVER THE CURRENT BUDGET YEAR DUE TO FLOODING WE HAD IN CITY HALL A YEAR AGO.

WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE ALL BRAND NEW EQUIPMENT IN THERE NOW, SO WE DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE KNOCK ON ANYTIME SOON WITH ANY QUESTIONS ON THE, UM, ORIGINAL IDEA THAT WAS PRIOR TO FACEBOOK AND WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UH, SOME CITIES ACTUALLY, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY GET NOW, BUT BACK THEN, BASED ON THE CABLE BILL, THERE WAS A TAX THAT, UM, MUNICIPALITIES LIKE WILMINGTON, WASHINGTON AND OTHERS, UH, GREENVILLE, UM, WE, WE WENT AFTER IT.

I THINK ONE CITY JUST TO MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SECOND CHANNEL WAS PUTTING EIGHT HOURS OF, UH, STATIONARY PROGRAMMING, IE UNION POINT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WITH CHANNEL THREE, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF SYSTEMS DON'T GET, DON'T GET SUDDENLY.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO THEY, THEY DON'T SEE IT.

UM, MY THOUGHT FOR 20 26, 27 IS TO MAXIMIZE THE USE OF, UM, FACEBOOK OR OTHER MEANS OF, UH, CONNECTING WITH OUR, OUR CITIZENS THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW

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UH, ALSO AT, AT THAT TIME, UM, THE OWNERS, CURTIS TUT OF KINSTON AND OT, HIS SON, I DON'T THINK THEY PARTICULARLY WANTED TO GIVE UP CHANNEL, UH, AND DEFINITELY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE UP TWO.

UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THAT WHOLE SITUATION IS.

I I DO THINK THAT THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE PEG AND, AND WHATEVER WE'RE DOING FOR CO RELATIONS, MARKETING, ET CETERA, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD IS GIVING YOU, YOU AND THAT DEPARTMENT PROPER DIRECTION AS YOU AS YOU NEED IT.

WHAT, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US FROM A DIRECTION STANDPOINT TO MAXIMALLY, UM, PRESENT POSITIVE PUBLIC RELATIONS AND SAME TIME CITIZEN INPUT AND, AND YOU KNOW, A, A VAST KNOWLEDGE OF WHEN A STREET CLOSURE, ET CETERA.

WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER? DO WE NEED TO SPEND MORE MONEY? DO WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE OUR RESOURCES IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION? SO WE, WE CURRENTLY RECEIVE HOW MUCH AN ALLOCATION, $26,000 FOR, FOR OPERATION CHANNEL.

THAT'S THROUGH THE CABLE CABLE FEES.

NOW OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST REALLY 10 YEARS, UH, CABLE SUBSCRIBERS GOING DOWN.

AND SO WHEN THAT OCCURRED, THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED REALLY PROMOTING THINGS ON, ON FACEBOOK.

WE HAVE A YOUTUBE CHANNEL THAT WE PUSH THINGS OUT ON AND WE HAVE A ROKU CHANNEL.

UH, FOR THOSE THAT HAVE KEPT THE CORD AND THEY HAVE ROKU, THEY'RE ABLE TO WATCH 24 7 PROGRAMMING ON ROKU.

AND THEN, SO WE DO PUSH THOSE THINGS QUITE A BIT.

UM, ALSO ON WEB TELL ANY TIME THAT YOU LIKE TO ALSO ON THE WEBSITE YEP, CAN TUNE IN ANYTIME 24 HOUR STREAMING.

SO WE'RE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THAT PEG CHANNEL AND ITS STREAMING CAPABILITIES TO PUSH IT OUT TO MORE MODERN MEANS OF WATCHING.

UM, SO WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE WHAT WE'RE STREAMING ON CABLE AND FEED THAT TO THE WEBSITE AND ALSO FEED THAT TO ROKU WITHOUT HAVING TO PURCHASE MUCH ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT, IF ANY.

SO THERE IS THAT BENEFIT OF KEEPING THE PEG CHANNEL.

WE DO HAVE MORE MODERN MEANS WHERE PEOPLE CAN WATCH AND, AND FOR COMMUNICATIONS WITH OUR CITIZENS AS WELL.

WE'VE GOT NEW BRUN ALERTS WHERE WE, WHERE WE SEND NOTIFICATIONS OUT ON A REGULAR BASIS FOR WHATEVER THE INCIDENT MAY, MAY INCLUDE IT.

AND, AND WE USE THAT QUITE A BIT.

NEW BRUN ALERTS.

UM, I KNOW I REMEMBER, UH, INITIALLY WITH , WE, WE WERE PROVIDING PROGRAMMING AND WE HAD CERTAIN HISTORY PROGRAMS, ET CETERA.

ARE WE DOING ANY OF THAT NOW? A LOT OF THOSE BECAME UPDATED, UM, OUTDATED AS WE UPGRADED THE CHANNEL.

THEY WERE PRODUCED IN STANDARD DEFINITION, SO THEY REALLY LOOKED BLURRY AND UM, IT WOULD DO US SOME GOOD TO PROBABLY PRODUCE MORE OF THOSE.

AND THAT'S THAT $6,000 IN MY PEG BUDGET IS TO HIRE, UH, CONTRACTORS WHO CAN GO OUT AND, AND SHOOT THOSE SEGMENTS FOR US AND TURN THEM AROUND, PUT THEM ON THE AIR.

IF WE DO PRODUCE SOMETHING IN HOUSE, THE, THE, THIS WEEK FROM CITY HALL INTERVIEWS THAT YOU ALL DO ABOUT DIFFERENT COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT ARE GOING ON, THEY AUTOMATICALLY GO ON THE PEG CHANNEL AS WELL AS YOUTUBE, UM, FACEBOOK.

SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO SPREAD THE LOVE WHENEVER WE RECEIVE FRESH CONTENT TO MAKE SURE IT GETS OUT AMONGST ALL THOSE CHANNELS.

AND SO DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE CITY IS DOING, UH, AN ACCURATE JOB OF LIKE IN A WEATHER EVENT OR POWER INTERRUPTION, ET CETERA, OR OTHER THINGS WE COULD BE DOING? WE'RE NOT DOING TO ADVISE OUR PRIZE OF CITIZENS? I THINK WE'RE GETTING MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK OUT FACEBOOK THAN ANY OTHER MEDIUM THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE IT'S READILY AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE.

MAJORITY OF FOLKS DO HAVE THAT.

UM, YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER APPS WE MAY HAVE.

I WOULD SAY NEW BERN ALERTS IS GROWING VERY FAST.

UM, ROUGHLY 10% OR MORE OF OUR POPULATION IS SUBSCRIBED.

NOW I SAY THAT PURELY BASED ON NUMBERS.

CAN YOU SUBSCRIBE IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF NEW BERN? YES, YOU CAN.

UM, BUT NEW BERN ALERTS IS GROWING VERY QUICKLY.

UM, THOSE SUBSCRIPTIONS, YOU HAVE 14 DIFFERENT CATEGORIES YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR.

SO YOU CAN RECEIVE AS LITTLE OR AS MUCH INFORMATION FROM THE CITY OF NEW BERN AS YOU WANT.

WE HAVE, GOSH, PROBABLY A DOZEN OR MORE ADMINISTRATORS OF THAT SOFTWARE ACROSS THE CITY.

SO PARKS AND RECREATION IS PROBABLY THE SECOND HEAVIEST USER OF IT NEXT TO ME.

SO A LOT OF THEIR SUMMER CAMPS AND DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES, CITY EVENTS THAT THEY HAVE GOING ON, THEY'LL USE VERN ALERTS AS WELL.

UM, AND, AND I GET GOOD FEEDBACK ON THAT TOO.

UM, PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T BOTHER ME A LOT AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE.

I HEAR 14 CATEGORIES

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AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE SENDING ME EIGHT TO 10 TEXTS EVERY DAY.

THEY SAID THEY'VE BEEN PLEASED WITH WHAT THEY'VE SUBSCRIBED FOR AND THE AMOUNT OF MESSAGES THEY GET FROM US.

I, I KNOW THIS SAYS WAVES IN SOMETHING YOU PROBABLY COVER LATER, BUT OUR WEBSITE, I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S THE EASIEST N I'VE SEEN WORSE AND I'VE SEEN BETTER, UH, BEING ABLE TO NAVIGATE OUR WEBSITE, SOME THINGS, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND ALL THAT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY AND JUST GO RIGHT INTO, UM, I, OTHER FOLKS ON THE BOARD MIGHT HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT THAT WEBSITE.

WE, WE ARE WORKING ON A WEBSITE REFRESH WITH OUR, UM, WEBSITE PROVIDER.

UH, FOSTER AND I ARE ON THAT COMMITTEE.

WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THE SITE MAP FOR THE NEW WEBSITE.

UM, SO WE HAVE UPDATES AND A COMMUNICATIONS PORTAL SET UP WITH REVIS.

WE'RE THINKING JUNE JULY THE NEW WEBSITE WILL BE READY.

UM, BUT WE'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF OTHER CITIES AND KIND OF HOW THEY PUT TOGETHER THEIR WEBSITES TO, TO LOOK FOR THINGS THAT WE LIKE, THINGS WE THINK THAT ARE MORE USER FRIENDLY AND CUSTOMER FRIENDLY THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.

UM, AND THE COMPANY WE'RE WITH EVERY FOUR YEARS, YOU GET A FREE WEBSITE REFRESH.

NOW THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY NEW TECHNOLOGY YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE SITE.

SO WE DID PAY FOR, UM, UH, SOUND SEARCH AND WE ALSO PAID FOR, UM, THE CHAT BOT THAT WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED.

UM, AND I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE MORE OFFICER, DO YOU REMEMBER? CAN'T THINK WHAT IT IS.

SO WE DID PAY FOR THOSE TWO, UH, NEW TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES, BUT THE REST IS A FREE TECH REFRESH OR WEBSITE REFRESH.

ONE THING.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE REVIEWING RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY FACEBOOK PAGES DO, DO WE HAVE CITYWIDE? WE HAVE 10 SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS.

I WOULD SAY PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX ARE FACEBOOK PAGES.

SO, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT CONSOLIDATING SEVERAL OF THOSE.

UM, THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, PARKS AND RECREATION, THEY, THEY PROMOTE A LOT OF SPECIAL EVENTS.

THEY HAVE A A, A HUGE FOLLOWING THE, THE CITY'S PAGE, IT HAS A HUGE FOLLOWING AS WELL.

AND SO WE'RE EVALUATING WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH THAT MANY.

UM, IT'S EASIER TO CONTROL THE MESSAGE AND WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF THINGS FROM, FROM DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE GONE OUT RECENTLY THAT, UM, WE WEREN'T AWARE OF.

AND SO THAT KIND OF CREATED A DIALOGUE ON SOCIAL MEDIA WE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE.

UM, SO WE ARE REVIEWING THAT RIGHT NOW.

SO WITH THE AI, UM, VERSION OF IT, I MEAN ATE A LOT OF THAT, THOSE DIFFERENT FACEBOOK CHANNELS.

I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.

THE, THE DIFFERENCE, THE WEBSITES, I MEAN THE DIFFERENT FACEBOOK.

SO IT WOULDN'T HELP, AI WOULDN'T HELP DO THAT.

BUT WITH THE AI THAT WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED CURRENTLY ON OUR, OUR WEBSITE, RIGHT, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS YOU CAN TYPE IN EXACTLY ANYTHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN LEARNING.

AND, AND OF COURSE COLLEEN ON THE BACK END, SHE GETS TO MAKE CORRECTIONS ON ANY TO COME IN AND PROVIDE CORRECT ANSWERS.

BUT IT'S, WE'VE WORKED WITH THIS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW AND IT'S GOTTEN TO BE PRETTY ACCURATE.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING YOU CAN FIND IT.

THAT DOES NOT HAVE, OR EVEN WANT TO LEARN THE THE CAPABILITIES OF GOING INTO FACEBOOK OR INSTAGRAM OR, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT'S THE PLUS FOR THEM TO JUST TURN ON THEIR TV OR CD THREE OR RUKU AND THEN HERE YOU GO, YOU GOTT THREE AND THEY CAN GET ALL THE INFORMATION.

WHEN WE UNVEIL THE NEW SITE, UM, CURRENTLY OUR, OUR, OUR SITE HAS SO MUCH INFORMATION ON IT, IT'S GONNA BE A HECK OF A LOT EASIER TO NAVIGATE TO FIND WHAT FOLKS REALLY NEED, WHAT THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR.

I UTILIZE THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW, UM, PAYMENT PORTAL FOR PUBLIC UTILITIES.

UH, WHEN WE FIRST LAUNCHED IT, THOSE WERE A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO I CREATE A NEW LOGIN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, I WAS DOING A FAIR AMOUNT OF CORRECTIONS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS BACK IN THE BEGINNING, BUT AS FOSTER SAID, WE HAVE SO MANY DOCUMENTS ON OUR WEBSITE.

FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE GOT PICKING ON GEORGE WAS WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND IT NAMED A PREVIOUS EMPLOYEE, SO I HAD TO GO IN AND CHANGE IT TO NOW GEORGE GILES.

BUT LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, PHONE NUMBERS, WEBSITES, EMAILS, THINGS LIKE THAT WERE ALL CORRECT.

I JUST HAD LITTLE TWEAKS HERE AND THERE.

UM, ANY TYPE OF PARTNERSHIP UP WITH AI, ARE WE BEING CAREFUL THAT SOME INFORMATION IS LESS THAN ACCURATE? AND, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SHE'S REFERRING TO BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE ABILITY WHEN SOMEONE ASKS A QUESTION, WE CAN REVIEW THAT QUESTION, WE CAN REVIEW THAT ANSWER, AND IF IT'S INCORRECT, WE CAN CORRECT IT.

AND THEN ON THE BACK END, IT'LL REMEMBER THE ANSWER THAT WE PROVIDED AND WE'VE CONFINED IT TO OUR WEBSITE.

SO IF IT'S NOT IN A PDF OR SOMETHING WE'VE HAD ON OUR SITE, IT'S GONNA TELL YOU IT DOESN'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

AND IT HAS COME QUITE A LONG WAY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

AND SO IT'S ONLY GONNA GET BETTER OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE TV THREE, UM, I LIKE THE NEW CHANGES AND THE UPDATES OR WHATEVER, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK T THREE REACHES A LOT OF OUR SENIOR POPULATION

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SO I, I THINK AT ONE TIME, EARLY ONLY, WE HAD LOOKED AT TRYING TO GET SPECTRUM TO, TO USE PEG THE PEG CHANNEL.

UM, I MEAN, OTHER WORDS, THERE WAS THAT WHOLE SOUTH OF THE TRENT RIVER, UH, MARKET THAT WAS NOT ABLE TO GET IT THROUGH A CABLE SOURCE THAT WE NEVER, THAT'S STILL A CASE, ISN'T IT? MM-HMM .

WE'RE A NON-REVENUE GENERATING CHANNEL, SO WE ARE LIKE THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL OF THEIR PRIORITIES IN THEIR CHANNEL LINEUPS.

I KNOW WE HAD TELL ONE, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IDEA WAS AS FAR AS GETTING, GETTING ON WITH THEM OR NOT, BECAUSE SOME FOLKS DO STILL WATCH THE CABLE, BUT MOST ARE GOING TO THE FACEBOOK.

THAT YOU ARE YOUNGER OUR AGE AND YOUNGER.

71-YEAR-OLD ONES OUR YOUNGER US AND YOUNGER, BUT YOU HAVE A LOT OF SENIOR PEOPLE THAT'S NOT INTO A LOT OF THIS TECHNOLOGY.

SO THAT'S JUST THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT.

THEY GOTTA LOOK OUT FOR OUR SENIOR CITIZENS.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE P EXAM? ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO TECHNOLOGY 11.

SO THIS DEPARTMENT PROVIDES A CENTRALIZED RESOURCE FOR COMPUTING, NETWORKING, TELEPHONE, CYBERSECURITY, VIDEO, AND RELATED SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THE TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET THIS YEAR IS 2,311,000 4 95, WHICH REPRESENT 5.1% INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT.

AFTER THEY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THEM WHAT? THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO GIVE THAT PROBLEM WHAT THEY NEED.

KEEP OUR INFORMATION SAFE.

ALRIGHT, THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE ONE 17 IN FINANCE.

THIS DEPARTMENT DELIVERS HIGH QUALITY FINANCIAL SERVICES TO SOUND FISCAL MANAGEMENT, ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY.

THE DEPARTMENT INCLUDES ACCOUNTING AND PURCHASING AND WAREHOUSE DIVISIONS AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSIGHT OF $227 MILLION.

THAT INCLUDES $181 MILLION ANNUAL OPERATING FUNDS, $15 MILLION THROUGH 24 DIFFERENT GRANTS, AND OVER 31,000,020 DIFFERENT PROJECT FUNDS.

THIS DEPARTMENT IS A MULTI-YEAR TRIPLE CROWN WINNER THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION.

THE TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET THIS YEAR IS $2,504,772, WHICH INCLUDES A 7.9% INCREASE.

ANY QUESTION WE GIVE KIM A NEW PERSON.

ARE WE SEEING IT UP TO CLEAR? I'M GONNA ASK CHIEF AND SONYA COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE'LL GO TO PAGE 1 27 FOR HUMAN RESOURCES.

THIS DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CITY OF WORKPLACE THROUGH FAIR AND CONSISTENT PRACTICE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND PROGRAMS THAT PROMOTE WORKPLACE SAFETY AND ORGANIZATIONAL EFFECTIVENESS.

THE TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET IS $1,000,350.

THIS REPRESENTS A 2% INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

QUESTIONS ON POLICE.

IF THERE ARE NONE, THEN WE'LL GO TO POLICE, WHICH IS ALL THIS.

PAGE 1 33.

SO GUIDED BY THE VALUES OF INTEGRITY, MOTIVATION, PROFESSIONALISM, ACCOUNTABILITY, COMMITMENT AND TRUST.

THIS DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENFORCEMENT OF LAWS AND ENSURING THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS AND VISITORS.

THIS DEPARTMENT IS ALSO NATIONALLY ACCREDITED BY KALIA.

THE TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET IS $16,594,057.

THIS REPRESENTS 4.3% INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET.

THIS IS THE LARGEST GENERAL FUND BUDGET.

HOW RECRUITMENT AT THIS POINT, I KNOW AT ONE POINT WE HAD QUITE A VACANCIES BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE SOME BE LEFT, BUT ON THE RECRUITMENT SIDE,

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SO WITH RESPECT TO RECRUITMENT, UH, WE ARE DOING VERY WELL.

THE ISSUE IS LET'S DO ABOUT WHETHER WE CAN BRING TALENT INTO YOUR ORGANIZATION SOMETIMES AND SOMETIMES CLOSE.

CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW I COULD HIRE FOUR, FOUR ADDITIONAL OFFICERS, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT WAY ON MY, UM, ORGANIZATIONAL CHART BECAUSE SEVEN OF WHICH ARE SITTING IN A CLASSROOM THAT WOULD BE LEFT.

UH, TOMORROW I WILL INTERVIEW TWO MORE BE LIT STUDENTS, WHICH WOULD BE A PROBLEM OF MINE, WHICH IS GREAT.

THAT WILL BRING ME DOWN TO, UM, UH, MINUS TWO, WHICH WE'VE NEVER BEEN TO THAT POINT, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE PREPARED TO ACTUALLY DO THE BUSINESS THAT WE WANT THEM TO DO FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS BASED ON, UH, FIELD TRAINING.

AND IT PUTS A STRAIN ON OUR FIELD TRAINERS, BUT WE LOST QUITE A NUMBER OF, OF STAFF MEMBERS, BUT WE ARE REPLACING THEM.

IT JUST TAKES A LOT MORE TIME TO ONBOARD A PATROL OFFICER THAN IT MIGHT BE FOR ANOTHER, UM, DEPARTMENT, ANOTHER EMPLOYEE AND ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.

ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE AT? UM, NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

LIKE CHIEF SAID, IT JUST TAKES A WHILE AND IT'S A MOVING TARGET.

SO WE HAVE POSITIONS FILLED AND THEN YOU HAVE VACANCIES.

SO I THINK AT ANY GIVEN TIME WE'VE BEEN HAVING MAYBE ABOUT FIVE VACANCIES.

SOMETIMES IT'S LESS, SOMETIMES THERE'S MORE.

SO JUST DEPENDS.

WE'VE HAD SEVERAL RETIREMENTS.

WE DO HAVE A FEW OFFICERS WHO HAVE LEFT TO GO TO, UM, STATE AGENCIES, IF YOU WILL.

SO IT, IT IS A MOVING TARGET.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A, A VERY COGENT, UM, CERTIFIED OFFICER PROGRAM.

WE ARE TRYING TO RECRUIT TALENT THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE, THAT ALREADY KNOWS THE JOB IS ALREADY DOING THE JOB.

UM, AND SO WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THAT.

WE HIRED A YOUNG LADY WHO WAS AN LAPD OFFICER.

UM, SHE CAME BACK, UM, UM, INCREDIBLY, UH, UH, UH, WITH A, WITH A LOT OF WEALTH AND KNOWLEDGE IN OUR PROFESSION.

YOU JUST HAVE TO GET SPUN UP INTO, UH, HOW WE DO BUSINESS HERE.

WE HIRE THE PERSONS FROM HOUSTON, TEXAS.

WE'VE HIRED QUITE A NUMBER OF CERTIFIED OFFICERS AND THE WAY WE APPROACH THAT IS WE WANT TO OFFER A PERPETUATE SALARY THAT MERIT MERITS THEIR SKILLSET.

SO WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE DONE A, A, UH, GREAT SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR, UM, OUR PROFESSION BY BRINGING THOSE TALENTS IN SO THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T START AT GROUND ZERO.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED TIME TOO ABOUT THE SIMULATE SIMULATORS.

WE'LL JUST STAY FORCE ON THAT.

THE, THE SIMULATOR AT THE TIME WAS TOP END TECHNOLOGY.

UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO USE IT.

IN FACT, PART OF THEIR, UH, VALUE TO US IS THEY'RE PRODUCING NEWBURN SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHICAL SCENARIO BASE, MEANING THEY'RE BRINGING THEIR CAMERAS OUT.

THEY CREATE THE 3D ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH OUR OFFICES ARE GOING TO, WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO ACTUALLY SEE BURN, UM, AREAS SO THAT THEY CAN INTEGRATE, UH, WITH, WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE, I GUESS, VISUAL STIMULI.

WHAT IS BEING, WHAT IS MORE, UM, UPFRONT TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE ALSO USING IS, UM, META VIRTUAL REALITY GOGGLES.

WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE THAT GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO TRAIN IN THE VIRTUAL WORLD.

IT'S AMAZING WHAT, UM, WHAT THAT TECHNOLOGY CAN DO AND WE'RE HARNESSING THAT RIGHT NOW.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR POLICE? I'M A LITTLE CURIOUS ABOUT THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER.

UM, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE, WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON A FIVE YEAR PLAN TYPE OF THING? UM, LIKE HOW, HOW ESSENTIAL IS IT TO YOUR OPERATIONS TO HAVE THAT? IN OUR INDUSTRY, THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER MODEL IS THE FUTURE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, REAL TIME CRIME CENTER OPERATIONS.

AND IT REALLY IS RUN THROUGH AXON FUSS, WHICH IS THE PARENT COMPANY THAT ALSO, UM, WE HAVE OUR BODY-WORN CAMERAS, OUR

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IN-CAR CAMERAS, OUR, OUR TASERS.

THEY'RE ALL INTEGRATED INTO THE SAME SYSTEM.

WHAT THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER THROUGH FUSS IT ALLOWS US IS AN INTEGRATIVE PLATFORM IN WHICH WE CAN HARNESS IN A ONE MAP SYSTEM, ALL OF OUR, AS MANY AS WE CAN GET ALL OF OUR SURVEILLANCE VIDEOS, ALL PRIVATE SURVEILLANCE VIDEOS.

AND ALL OF THIS IS, UH, VOLUNTARY BASED.

UM, IT ALSO INTEGRATES WITH OUR BODY-WORN CAMERAS, OUR SHOT SPOTTER PROGRAM, OTHER TECHNOLOGIES, DRONE TECHNOLOGY IS ANOTHER, UH, FUTURE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

IN FACT, MANY LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES NOW BEFORE PATROL OFFICERS EVEN DISPATCH DRONES ARE BEING, UM, UM, IN FLIGHT GOING TO THOSE LOCATIONS.

SO ALL OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES NEED TO BE INTEGRATED INTO ONE SYSTEM.

THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO BRING REAL TIME CRIME CENTER IS WE WANT TO WORK SMARTER, NOT HARDER, BE ON THE FRONT END OF THE TECHNOLOGICAL, UH, WAVE, SO TO SPEAK.

UM, AND ONE OF THE AREAS OF IMPORTANCE IS WE CAN BRING THE TECHNOLOGY ON BOARD, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT IT, WE'RE NOT GETTING THE BEST BANG INTO THE BUCK.

SO TO, TO VISUALIZE WHAT, WHAT THIS WOULD BE IS WE WOULD HAVE STAFF THAT ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT ALL OF THE CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

THOSE CAMERAS ARE IN OUR COMM SYSTEM.

THE DISPATCHERS DO NOT HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO, TO FOCUS ON THEIR CURRENT JOBS WHILE LOOKING UP AND STUDYING ALL OF THESE SURVEILLANCE VIDEOS.

WELL, TO THAT END THOUGH CHIEF, IF THE IDEA OF ALL THAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE TO SAVE OTHER RESOURCES THAT DRONES AND OTHER TYPE OF INTEL CAN DO, WOULDN'T YOU KIND OF SAVE SOME RESOURCES ELSEWHERE THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE BUDGET TO, TO GO TO THAT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY? THE LARGEST PART OF MY BUDGET IS, UM, OBVIOUSLY PERSONNEL.

SO THE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS THAT I HAVE AVAILABLE IN WHICH TO PARSE OUT, MUCH OF THAT GOES INTO TRAINING AND EQUIPMENT.

AND SO WE, WE CANNOT DIVORCE OUR NEED TO, UH, HAVE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE, TRAINING AND SKILL SETS NEEDED TO DO THE VARIETY OF JOBS.

THE PATROL OFFICER YOU SEE IN A PATROL CAR, THEY'RE JACK OF ALL TRADES.

THEIR, THEIR TRAINING IS TO TRIAGE INCIDENTS IN, IN REAL TIME AND THEN PASS THOSE ON TO THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE WITHIN FORENSICS AND DETECTIVES AND, AND INVESTIGATIONS IN ALL VARIETY OF OTHER AREAS.

SO, UM, I REALLY DON'T SEE THE SAVINGS IN REDUCING TRAINING FOR REALTIME CRIME CENTER.

IT IT, THEY REALLY ARE AN APPLE AND AND ORANGE AND THEY'RE NOT AS COMPATIBLE IN TERMS OF, WELL IF YOU ELIMINATE FIVE OFFICERS FOR INSTANCE, AND YOU HAVE ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY, YOU STILL NEED THE HUMAN ASSET OUT ON THE STREET TO, UH, TO RESPOND TO THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

BEST WAY FOR ME TO PUT IT CHIEF, WE USED TO BUDGET, WE USED TO BUDGET FINANCIALLY LESS FOR THE ACTUAL POSITIONS THAT YOU HAD APPROVED BECAUSE WE WOULD NEVER ALWAYS BE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT.

I THINK WE CHANGED THAT.

NOW, UM, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY A MINUTE AGO, YOU SAID IF YOU HIRED ALL THE PEOPLE THAT'S SORT OF IN THE PIPELINE, YOU'D BE AT NEGATIVE TWO, WHICH MEANS YOU WOULD STILL BE TWO PEOPLE DOWN.

IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT? YES, BUT THAT ALSO COMES WITH SOME, ALSO SOME SACRIFICES.

UM, OUR OVERTIME BUDGET IS NEVER SUFFICIENT TO COVER THE NEEDS THAT WE, WE HAVE IN TERMS OF MEETING OUR MISSION.

AND OFTENTIMES THAT OVERTIME MONIES COME FROM THE VACANT OFFICER POSITIONS.

SO ON ONE END IT'S A CURSE BECAUSE I NEED THAT STAFF ON THE STREET, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE IS ABILITY, UM, TO UTILIZE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS WHEN WE GO OVER, UH, OUR OVERTIME BUDGET.

I, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT THAT I WANT TO CREATE ANOTHER AD HOC OR ANOTHER GROUP, BUT I WOULD PERSONALLY VOLUNTEER IF SOMEBODY ELSE, ANOTHER MEMBER OR TWO OF THIS BOARD WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH YOU AND YOUR COMMAND STAFF BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE FUTURE OF POLICING.

I THINK SHOCK SPOTTER IS ONE ELEMENT OF THAT, BUT THERE'S OTHER ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS AND IF THIS IS THE ROAD WE'RE GOING DOWN, WE HAVE TO GET PREPARED FOR THIS.

JUST LIKE WE HAVE TO GET PREPARED FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT BIG PIECE OF

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THE PIE IS ALREADY YOUR DEPARTMENT AND TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND THAT PIE SLICE I THINK IS GONNA BE EXTREMELY CHALLENGING.

SO I'D LIKE MAYBE SOMETIME A FEW HOURS WE COULD JUST SIT DOWN AND KIND OF GO OVER A LITANY OF THINGS.

'CAUSE I DO BELIEVE, UH, ALDERMAN OUTLAW WILL PROBABLY REMEMBER BACK WHEN THE CITY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO GO WITH A MI METERS.

I THINK THAT ONE OF THE REASONS IT WAS SOLD TO THE BOARD AND THE BOARD APPROVED IT AT THAT TIME, WHICH WAS BEFORE MY TIME, WAS THAT YOU WOULD NO LONGER NEED METER READERS.

SO THEN WE GO INVEST $1.7 MILLION IN A MI METERS AND GUESS WHAT? ALL THE METER READERS NOW HAVE TO BE REPROGRAMMED AND RETRAINED TO DO SOMETHING NEW.

SO THERE WAS ADDITIONALLY, THERE WAS NO SAVINGS THAT WAS PRESENTED WITH THAT.

SO I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO IMPROVE OUR POLICING, INCORPORATE TECHNOLOGY, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX WITH HOW WE TRADITIONALLY DO IT.

SO THAT, THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTS REGARDING THAT AS IF RELATES TO THE CURRENT BUDGET PRESENTED, IF CHIEF JUST SAID IF HE HIRES EVERYONE IN THE PIPELINE, HE'S STILL ATED TOO.

DOES HE HAVE THE AUTHORITY FLEXIBILITY? IF WE'RE GONNA BUDGET FOR ALL THESE POSITIONS AND THE BUDGET FOR TWO POSITIONS AREN'T GONNA GET FILLED FILLED, IF THERE IS A NEED TO DO THIS REALTIME CRIME ANALYST JOB THAT THAT VACANT SALARY IS REPACKAGED TO THAT POSITION, UH, THE FIRST THING THAT WOULD NO, TECHNICALLY HE DOESN'T HAVE AUTHORITY BECAUSE IN THE CLASSIFICATION PLAN WE WOULD'VE TO CREATE THAT POSITION IN THAT IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN I COULD AUTHORIZE FOLKS TO BE SPENDING THAT.

CURRENTLY WE CAN'T DO THAT.

SO IF THE POSITION WERE CREATED, THE CLASSIFICATION PLAN AND WE DON'T ADD IT TO HIS BUDGET, WHICH IS ADD TO THE PLAN THAT HE FINDS A REAL TIME CRIME ANALYST, HE, HE COULD ASK FOR ONE OF THOSE VACANCIES TO BE REPACKAGED TO THIS POSITION THAT WE'VE ALREADY CREATED.

HE COULD, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL, HOW MANY POSITIONS DOES THE POLICE HAVE? SONYA? UM, 1 21 AND A HALF.

SO 1 21 AND A HALF IS 1 20, 1 AND A HALF.

SO HE WOULD LOSE WHATEVER THAT VACANCY WAS.

HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FILL ONE OF THOSE VACANCIES.

WHICH HE CAN'T FILL NOW BEGIN WITH.

DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? IF WE, IF THERE WAS AN APPETITE TO CREATE THAT POSITION TO HAVE.

SO YOU AND FOSTER HAD THE FLEXIBILITY KNOWING IT WOULD LOSE A POSITION IF, IF YOU FOUND SOMEONE.

WE USED THAT SAME MENTALITY WHEN WE CONVERTED A SWORN POSITION TO A CRIME ANALYST POSITION.

OUR CRIME ANALYST WAS ALREADY A SWORN OFFICER.

UH, WITHIN OUR INDUSTRY, CRIME ANALYSIS IS A VERY, UH, A UNIQUE POSITION.

YOU GET A DEGREE IN COLLEGE IN CRIMINAL CRIME ANALYSIS.

AND SO WE UNDERSTOOD THAT IN OUR MARKET WE NEEDED VERY SPECIFIC SKILLSET.

SO WE DID IN FACT CONVERT A FOREIGN POSITION TO A CIVILIAN POSITION TO DO THE EXACT SAME JOB FOREIGN OFFICER WAS DOING ANYWAY.

WHAT I FEAR IN THIS ANALYSIS THAT YOU'RE ASKING ME TO GET TO LOOK IN IS I WOULD REMOVE A SWORN OFFICER THAT IS POTENTIALLY PLACED AS A VACANCY IN A BILLET IN OUR ORGANIZATION TO DO THIS JOB.

AND THAT WOULD TAKE A LOT MORE THOUGHT PROCESS FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THAT ANSWER.

ACCREDITATION FROM THE COUNCIL FOR ACCREDITATION PARKLAND RECREATION AGENCIES.

I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR POLICE? I DID NOT.

YOU CAN TURN TO PAGE 1 45, THE FIRE RESCUE.

SO THIS DEPARTMENT IS COMMITTED TO PROTECTING THE COMMUNITY FROM FIRE AND LIFE THREATENING EMERGENCIES WHILE PROVIDING HIGH QUALITY EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

THIS DEPARTMENT LOADS A CLASS TWO NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE RATING AND IS NATIONALLY ACCREDITED TO THE CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY EXCELLENCE.

AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH RE-ACCREDITATION RIGHT NOW.

THE TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR IS $9,176,390, WHICH REPRESENTS A 4.6% DECREASE IN CURRENT FYI BUDGET IF TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.

TURN PAGE 1 53 FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.

THIS DEPARTMENT OVERSEES 26 PARKS.

THEY ALSO PROVIDE A WIDE VARIETY OF SPECIAL EVENTS.

THEY OPERATE TWO RECREATION CENTERS, A COMMUNITY CENTER, AN AQUATIC CENTER, AND FIVE CITY CEMETERIES.

LAST YEAR THEY RECEIVED THEIR THIRD NATIONAL

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THEY HAVE FOUR, FOUR DIVISIONS WITHIN THOSE THAT BUDGET ADMIN $918,389, WHICH 6.8% DECREASE OVER THE CURRENT YEAR.

STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER IS TWO $56,443 15% INCREASE OVER THE FIRST YEAR PARKS AND GROUNDS, $2,153,338, WHICH IS A 6.3% INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT YEAR.

AND FACILITIES, WHICH REPRESENTS A 1.1 MILLION 179,003 $22 FOR THAT BUDGET, WHICH IS A 1.2% INCREASE.

THEIR TOTAL BUDGET IS $4,507,492.

OVERALL A 2.5% INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT YEAR AND THEY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANY POTENTIAL, UH, ADDITIONAL USES OF THE AQUATIC CENTER YEAR ROUND OR UM, ANY TYPE OF FEE STRUCTURE THAT COULD JUSTIFY CONTAINMENT, ET CETERA? SO THE, THE BIG ISSUE WITH YEAR ROUND AT OUR AQUATIC CENTER IS A FOOTPRINT OF THE ACTUAL POOL IS SO SMALL IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE FOR, IT'S NOT EVEN A 25 YARD LAP LANE.

AND SO WHEN THAT THING WAS WAS BUILT IN 2010, IT WAS CONSTRUCTED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A BUBBLE AT SOME POINT IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT.

BUT I THINK WITH THE, THE EXORBITANT COST PROVIDING GAS TO CONSTANTLY HEAT THAT, THAT FACILITY HEATING THE POOL, IT WOULD NOT BE COST PROHIBITIVE FOR THE SIZE FACILITY THAT IT'S, SO WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO WHEN THE BOND PROJECTS COME INTO PLAY, WE'RE ABLE TO EXPAND THE OUTSIDE BY REALLY GONNA BE HUNDRED PERCENT FAN OF THAT FACILITY.

BUT A YEAR ROUND OPERATION WITH CURRENT FOOTPRINT IS GONNA BE, THAT WOULD BE QUITE DIFFICULT AND WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GENERATE ADEQUATE REVENUE TO SUPPORT IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PARKS AND RECREATION? NO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES NEXT ON PAGE 1 67? NOPE, I'M SORRY.

NOW IS 15 AND THAT'S USUALLY FOUR CEO DRIVERS, UH, THAT WORK THERE IN OUR SUMMER CAMPS.

BACK AT PARKS AND RECREATION, THE, YOU AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION AND I DON'T SEE A REFLECTION, THE BUDGET, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT POTENTIALLY CUTTING BACK ON SOME TRANSPORTATION NEEDS FOR THE AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS THAT WE, FOR THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT IS, THAT INCLUDES THIS BUDGET.

I'M GONNA ASK CARRIE COME UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, I THINK THEY HAVE STOPPED TRANSPORTATION, STOPPED IT FOR AFTER SCHOOL.

YES, WE HAVE A FEW THAT WE, FOR OUR PARTICIPATION IN AFTER SCHOOL HAS DIMINISHED DRASTICALLY.

AND I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT GOING AWAY WITH THAT PROGRAM NEXT YEAR.

AT THIS TIME WE ONLY HAVE FOUR KIDS ENROLLED IN, SO IT IS REALLY NOT BEING US.

AND I THINK WITH OTHER, UM, BUSINESSES LIKE THE VILLAGE THAT ARE CLOSE BY, THEY'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE AFTER SCHOOL, I THINK AT A CHEAPER RATE OR MAYBE A SUBSIDIZED RATE.

AND SO THEY'VE TAKEN A LOT OF THAT BUSINESS THAT WE WERE SEEING AND WITH US BEING IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THEM NOW, I DON'T, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO THINK OF.

UM, AND WITH US ONLY HAVING FOUR KIDS ENROLLED RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST NOT COST PROHIBIT FOR.

SO DO YOU THINK THAT DECREASES IS BECAUSE OF THE, THE COST TELLING US? UM, MAYBE SOME, WE'VE HAD SOME FEEDBACK THAT THE COST WAS TOO MUCH FOR PEOPLE.

NOW WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED OUR SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM THAT PEOPLE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TO DATE, I'VE ONLY HAD SEVEN FAMILIES THAT HAVE APPLIED FOR IT AND RECEIVED IT.

MOST OF THEM HAVE USED IT FOR SUMMER CAMP.

UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT MAYBE HAS A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.

AND ALSO THE FACT WE DON'T PICK UP FROM EVERY SCHOOL.

WE DON'T GO TO SCHOOLS THAT AREN'T WITHIN.

WHAT'S THE COST ON THE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM? IT IS 60 A WEEK FOR RESIDENT, ONE 20 FOR NON-RESIDENT.

BUT YOUR SUMMER CAMPS ARE PRETTY FULL.

OH YEAH.

UM, THE ONLY ONE I THINK'S NOT FULL AT THIS POINT IS THE, UM, SPORTS CAMP.

DO YOU HAVE ANY, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLAN ON EXPANDING THE FULL DAY SUMMER DAY CAMP NEXT YEAR? UM, I MEAN CURRENTLY IT'S GONNA BE BASED ON US BEING ABLE TO STAFF.

WE'VE SEEN ISSUES WITH SUMMER CAMP COUNSELORS OVER THE YEARS.

UH, SPECIFICALLY WITH, UM, WHAT WE'RE PAYING, WE INCREASED IT LAST YEAR.

UM, I DID HAVE SOME COUNSELORS THAT WE OFFERED POSITIONS TO THIS YEAR THAT SAID I CAN MAKE $16 ELSEWHERE AND I DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE USING MY C DEALS.

WHEREAS THE MOST WE'RE PAYING RIGHT

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SO TRANSPORTATION, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE COULD SECURE THAT.

UH, BASED ON THE AMERICAN CAMP COUNSELOR ASSOCIATION OR CAMP ASSOCIATION RATIOS, WE WOULD'VE TO INCREASE OUR RATIOS IF WE GO UP RIGHT NOW FOR OUR CAMPS, LIKE SAY AT UM, WEST NEWBURN WHERE YOU ARE HAVING 30 KIDS PER SESSION RATIOS FOR THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT AT LEAST UH, FOUR COUNSELORS FOR THAT GROUP.

AND THAT'S THE MINIMUM FOR, IT COULD BE A, UM, HIGHLY QUALIFIED CAMP.

THE WAY THEY CONSIDER IT.

IT NEEDS TO GO BEYOND THE MINIMUM MINIMUM RATIOS.

SO WE WOULD HAVE INCREASE COUNSELORS, UM, WHICH LIKE I SAID, HAS BEEN HARD TO SECURE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE STATE IS MANDATED THAT ALL MUNICIPAL PARK AND RECREATIONS DO FINGERPRINTS.

UH, WE HAD TO START LOOKING AND PRUDENT FOR THOSE POSITIONS IN JANUARY THIS YEAR TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE STAFFING IN PLACE BY THE TIME CAMPS START IN JUNE BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING THE DELAY BECAUSE OF THAT FINGERPRINT.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS ALONG WITH RESOURCES THAT WE WOULD NEED TO PUT IN PLACE.

TRANSPORTATION BEING A MAJOR.

COULD YOU TELL US WHAT CAMP YOU'RE CURRENTLY OFFERING AND WHERE THERE'S BEING HELP? UM, WE HAVE OUR BEAR LUNCH CAMP.

WE'RE OFFERING AT WEST NEW.

WE'RE ALSO OFFERING AT PLEASANT HILL COMMUNITY CENTER.

THEN OVER HERE AT STANLEY WHITE, WE HAVE OUR SPORTS CAMP, WHICH IS EIGHT WEEKS.

AND THEN WE HAVE COOKING CAMP.

THAT'S THREE SESSIONS THAT ARE THREE WEEKS EACH.

WHERE WE CHARGE IN FOR OUR CAMP, UM, TWO WEEKS SESSION FOR OUR, UM, TRADITIONAL CAMP IS $75 A WEEK FOR RESIDENT, ONE 50 FOR NON-RESIDENT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR PARKS IN YOUR CREATION? TURN PAGE 1 67 FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THIS DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING THE SAFE DEVELOPMENT AND ORDERLY GROWTH THROUGHOUT THE CITY BY PROVIDING LAND USE, PLANNING, ZONING, PERMITTING, INSPECTIONS, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, HISTORICAL PRESERVATION MAPPING, FLOOD PLAIN MANAGEMENT AND CODE ENFORCEMENT SERVICES.

THE TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THIS DEPARTMENT IS $2,679,012, WHICH REPRESENTS A 3.2% DECREASE OVER CURRENT BUDGET YEAR.

ANY QUESTIONS ON DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT DIDN'T GET FUNDED FROM THEIR REQUEST? UM, I DON'T, I THINK ANY, THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY CAPITAL.

THEY USUALLY DON'T ASK FOR CAPITAL UNLESS A IT'S A VEHICLE.

BUT IT WAS SUBMITTED VERY LEAN AS THE, THE MERCHANT'S CREDIT CARD FEES, LINE ITEM BUDGET.

WITH THE NEW POLICY WE ADOPTED THAT 3% PASSED TO THE CONSUMER.

AND SO WE, IS THAT JUST GONNA BE A, IT'LL BE OFFSET WITH THAT REVENUE.

WE'RE NOT SURE HOW THE BANK'S GOING TO DO IT, WHETHER IT'LL BUT ILLEGAL WILL BE OFFSET WITH THE REVENUE, WHICH IS BUDGETED AS WELL IN THE REVENUE SIDE AT THE BEGINNING OF GENERAL FUND.

A FEW OF YOU REGARDING YOUR INTEREST IN THIS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON DEVELOPMENT SERVICES NOW? ON PAGE 1 75, THERE'S A TAB FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

THIS TAB WAS FOR THE, UM, PERSONNEL AND BENEFITS FOR THE POSITION THAT HAS BEEN ZEROED OUT.

THEY'LL BALANCE THE BUDGET.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR THAT.

WE CAN UTILIZE THE FUNDING IN THIS, IN THIS BUDGET.

UM, IF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION WERE TO DECIDE TO HIRE AN AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, COULD THE, COULD THE SALARY COME OUT OF THEIR FUND? SO THEY DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO HIRE THEIR OWN STAFF SINCE, UM, THAT IS CONSIDERED A BRANCH OF THE CITY OF NEW, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER OUR HUMAN REGIONAL POLICY.

HOWEVER, UM, IF, IF YOU WANTED TO ALLOCATE FUNDS TOWARD, UM, CONTRACTING, I HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH

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THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION COULD, UH, ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH SOMEONE TO PROVIDE, UM, SERVICES FOR THAT, FOR THAT.

WELL, I'VE ALREADY SHARED MY THOUGHTS WITH DEVELOP COMMISSION AND I'M A MINORITY AND THAT'S FINE.

UM, I DO THINK THAT IF WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT COMMISSION, UM, AND HAVE A JOINT MEETING TO DO COMPLAINING TO GIVE SOME DIRECTION TO THAT, THEY NEED SOME STAFF PERSON.

I MEAN THEY DO NEED, YOU KNOW, IF MAR'S GONNA BE THE INTERIM DIRECTOR, IF WE COULD FIND A PERSON WHO COULD CONTRACT WHO'S GOT DEVELOPMENT SKILLS THAT WOULD CONTRACT ON A PART-TIME BASIS, I THINK THE 200,000 WE HAVE ALLOCATED FOR THEIR LAND ACQUISITION SHOULD BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO REPACKAGE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED AUTHORITY FROM THIS BOARD TO, TO SAY THAT IT CAN BE USED FOR THAT, BUT, UM, SO, SO DURING THE, DURING THE BUDGET PRESENTATION, MY COMMENT TO THE BOARD WAS THAT, UM, WHAT I RECOMMENDED WAS, UM, HAVING MARVIN TO WORK WITH THAT COMMITTEE AND HAVING A STAFF MEMBER FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO HELP WITH THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS SO THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION WOULD NOT LOSE ANY OF ANY OF THEIR FOCUS OR ANY OF THEIR STING.

THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.

IF THE BOARD, UH, WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

WE'RE HAPPY TO GET YOU ANY INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE ON THAT.

AND MARTIN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ANY COMMENTS YOU WANT TO, UH, YEAH, NO, ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WITH THE, UM, THE FUNDING THAT YOU WERE SAYING, THE 200,000, THAT BOARD SPECIFICALLY SET THEIR OWN BUDGET AND THEY DID NOT WANT TO MOVE THAT MONEY OUT OF THAT FOR ANY PURPOSE EXCEPT FOR LAND PURPOSES OR WHATEVER WE HAD DISCUSSION.

SO THEY DON'T GIVE US A BUDGET THAT, THAT, THAT WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.

AND OBVIOUSLY THE BOARD HAS FULL CONTROL OVER THAT BUDGET, BUT THAT WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.

HOW MUCH, KIM HOW MUCH DOES REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION HAVE IN THEIR FUND BALANCE FOR THEIR ACTIVITIES? ABSENT THIS 200 ANNUAL , THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY $917,000 IN THEIR ACCOUNT.

I, I DON'T, I I PERSONALLY DO NOT LIKE THE ADDITIONAL 200 A YEAR FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COMMISSION THAT IT IS.

IT'S NOT FULLY STAFFED, IT'S NOT FULLY APPOINTED.

UM, I'M ALL FOR IT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I KNOW THIS BOARD WANTS TO GIVE THEM MORE OPPORTUNITY AND WORK WITH THEM AND THAT'S FINE, BUT THEY HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO THAT.

I, I MEAN, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR THAT THAT IS, THAT $200,000 DOES NOT COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND AT ALL.

THAT COMES FROM THEIR NINE 17,000.

SO IT'S AUTHORIZING THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO 200 FOR LAND ACQUISITION? THAT, THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THAT COMES FROM FUNDS THAT MAJORITY OF THOSE FUNDS HAVE COME FROM ALLOCATIONS THAT THE GOVERNING, PREVIOUS GOVERNING BOARDS HAD, HAD PUT IN THAT SPECIAL ACCOUNT.

IT ALSO COMES FROM SOME SALES AND PROPERTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THERE'S NO FUNDS COMING FROM GENERAL FUND.

THE ONLY THING THAT WAS COMING FROM GENERAL FUND WAS TO FUND THE POSITION ITSELF IN WHICH WE BASICALLY WEED THAT OUT.

OTHER, OTHER THAN THE, UM, THE PROPERTY THAT THEY ACQUIRED ON WALT BELLAMY FOR THE THREE HOUSES, WHAT PROPERTY HAS THE RE REBUILD COMMISSION PURCHASED SINCE THEY'VE BEEN IN EXISTENCE? MARTIN, YOU HAVE THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING I CAN, I THINK WERE WERE PROPERTIES OR THE ONE BEHIND THE, UM, BLOOMFIELD, ALONG BLOOMFIELD, THOSE TWO LOTS THAT WERE, WAS A MIXTURE WHERE WE HAD THE HOUSE SITTING, RIGHT HOUSE I BEHIND THERE.

I THINK WE PURCHASED TWO LOTS ONLY, ONLY TWO I, SO THEN $200,000 WAS A LOT OF FUNDING WENT OVER THE PAST LAST SEVEN YEARS, THEY'VE PURCHASED JUST A SMALL AMOUNT OF PROPERTY.

THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN QUITE A FEW PARCELS.

AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE COUNTY, WE WENT TO THE COUNTY AND ASKED THE COUNTY TO GIVE UP SOME OF THEIR PROPERTY, 10 OR 10 PROPERTIES AND WE ASKED FOR MORE.

YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

THE COUNTY SAID WE'RE ONLY GONNA GIVE YOU THIS AND LET'S SEE WHAT YOU DO WITH IT FIRST.

EXACTLY WHERE WE STAND ON THOSE PROPERTIES.

THEY GAVE, THEY GAVE A TIMELINE, I BELIEVE IT WAS FIVE YEARS FOR, FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO, TO BASICALLY DO SOMETHING WITH THOSE PROPERTIES.

AND THEN THEY WERE WELCOME TO ENTERTAIN THE ADDITIONAL REQUEST.

WHERE ARE WE IN THAT TIMELINE NOW? ARE WE PAST THAT FIVE YEARS OR ARE WE STILL LIEUTENANT IT? NO, I THINK WE, I THINK WE MAY HAVE ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO LEFT.

UM, AND I I NOT SURE

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I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A FEW PROPERTIES THAT COULD NOT BE DEVELOPED 'CAUSE THEY WERE IN FLOOD ZONE.

UM, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MADE THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE STAFF DID REGARDING THOSE PROPERTIES.

BUT I DON'T THINK THEY FULLY VETTED THOSE, THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.

JUST ONCE THEY STARTED LOOKING AT 'EM, A COUPLE THINGS COULD NOT BE DEVELOPED ON THERE.

I THINK ORIGINALLY THEY UM, THEY PUT THAT 200 REQUEST, THAT 200,000 FOR LAND ACQUISITION BECAUSE THEY HAD THIS AVENUES PROJECT PROGRAM WHERE THE INTENT WAS TO PURCHASE PROFIT.

THEY NEVER CAME TO .

SO I GUESS OUT OF THE, THE $917,000 THAT THEY HAVE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS 200,000 OF THAT 917 IS AVAILABLE TO THEM AT THEIR DISCRETION TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE OTHER 17? WHERE DOES IT SIT? THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING NOW, I'M ASSUMING, CORRECT.

IF I'M WRONG, THEY CANNOT SPIN THAT WITHOUT THIS BOARD APPROPRIATING THAT.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A RECORD OF THAT BOARD WOULD'VE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

IT WOULD COME, UH, IN THE FORM OF A BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT THE BOARD WOULD APPROVE.

SO IF THEY WANTED TO, IF THEY REALLY GOT ON THE BALL AND BOUGHT A CITY BLOCK AND SAID, LINING ADDITIONAL MONEY TO DEMO THESE HOUSES AND THEN BILL TOWN HALLS WITH THE MONEY THAT WOULD'VE TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD TO APPROPRIATE.

SO WHAT, WHAT CAN THEY DO WITH THE 717,000 BUCKS? UM, THEY CAN PURCHASE PROPERTY.

CAN THEY NOT BUILD A HOUSE? THEY, THEY COULD BUILD A HOUSE AND I I THINK WE FOUND OUT THAT THEY'RE MOST LIKELY TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PARTNER WITH SOMEONE TO GET THAT HOUSE SOLD.

BUT, BUT YES, THEY COULD BUILD A HOUSE.

S SO I, I'M CONFUSED.

SO THEY'VE GOT $917,000, 200,000 OF THAT IS ALLOCATED FOR PROPERTY ACQUISITION.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE REST OF THE 717,000 THEY CAN DO WITH WHATEVER THEY WANT TO NOT WITHOUT PERMISSION BOARD PROOF.

IT'S GOTTA BE, IT'S GOTTA BE FUNDED INTO THE BUDGET CURRENTLY IT'S IN, IN FUND BALANCE, SO TO SPEAK.

AND SO FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT IN A BUDGET WHERE THEY CAN SPEND IT, THERE'S GOTTA BE A BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT THIS BOARD HAS TO APPROVE.

SO THE ONLY THING THAT THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO RIGHT NOW IS ACQUIRE PROPERTY UP TO 200,000.

ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THAT? IF IT REQUIRES SPENDING MONEY WHATSOEVER, IT HAS TO COME BEFORE THIS ORDER.

AND THEN FINALLY GETTING TORN DOWN ET CETERA, ARE THINGS THAT ARE HELD UP BY, UH, ATTORNEY IN TRENTON WHO CHERRY PICK A BUNCH OF, UH, CONDENSATED PIECES OF PROPERTY.

UNLESS IT WAS SPECIFICALLY BUDGETED IN ALL CAN, I MEAN, AGAIN, IF WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE ON WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THIS DO, THEN I THINK THAT 200 PREPARATION NEEDS TO BE OPENED UP FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY.

THEY CAN HIRE A PART, I MEAN, YOU FIND A PART-TIME CONSULTANT TO ACT AS DIRECTOR THAT HAS SOME DEVELOPMENT BACKGROUND.

IF THEY DECIDE, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA GO BUILD A HOUSE, WE'RE GONNA PARTNER WITH HABITAT TO BUILD THIS HOUSE, GIVE THEM THAT FLEXIBILITY.

SO IT'S NOT JUST LAND ACQUISITION.

I MEAN, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I'VE HEARD MORE DISCUSSION BY THIS BOARD ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IN THE LAST 60 DAYS THAN I'VE HEARD PREVIOUS THREE YEARS.

I THINK THAT THE, THE SCOPE AND THE IDEA OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION WAS TO BE ONE MORE ARM OF A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN CITY AND NEW BERN, LOCAL PRIVATE, UM, CONTRACTORS, UH, OF GRANTS, WHATEVER, UM, AND TRY TO FACILITATE SOME TYPE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE C AND I, UH, PLAN ET CETERA.

AND, AND, AND BOTTOM LINE DO SOME INFILL, UM, OBVIOUSLY RAN INTO ZONE AE BLOOD CONDITIONS, ET CETERA.

BUT I THINK THAT, UM, THE WHOLE REPURPOSING OF, OF WHAT THE CITY BOARD ALL WERE TRYING TO DO YEARS AGO IS SIMILAR TO THIS.

BILL RAN AT 16 FEET ELEVATION VERSUS WHERE IT WAS AT SIX FEET ELEVATION.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER ALONG THE WAY.

MAYBE SOME GREENWAYS ALONG THE WAY, MAYBE SOME ART, MAYBE A BUTTERFLY PARK, MAYBE LIKE BLOOMFIELD, THAT AREA WHERE, UM, THERE, BACK THERE IMPROVING RIGHT NOW.

IT, IT WAS FOR ALL OF US TO WORK TOGETHER AND MAYBE, MAYBE COLLECTIVELY EVERYBODY THAT'S NAMES HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS HAVE A MONTHLY MEETING IS WHERE ARE ALL, WHERE IS EVERYBODY? HOW CAN THIS GROUP HELP THAT GROUP? WE'RE A LITTLE SLOW HERE ON THIS.

WHAT CAN WE DO? CAN WE GO TO COUNTY? AND BUT THE BOTTOM LINE, THE BIGGEST THING BESIDES THE FACT NONE OF US HAVE TALKED TO THE LAST 60 DAYS, IS THE FACT THAT LEGALLY A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IMPLODING AND,

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AND HE, HE, HE PROCESSED AND GOT PAID TO CLEAN CLEAR THE TITLE TO GET RID OF A CERTAIN NUMBER OF 'EM.

AND THE, AND THE TOUGH ONES ARE SITTING BACK THERE WITH 27 ERRORS THAT ARE YET TO BE CLEARED AND CLEANED UP TO WHERE IT CAN BE, UH, CONVEYED.

SO AGAIN, UH, I'M, I'M JUST GLAD TO HEAR ALL THIS DISCUSSION.

I HOPE IT WILL CONTINUE FOR ANOTHER 60 DAYS AND MAYBE ALL OF US WILL GET TOGETHER, WHICH BRINGS ME BACK TO THE AD HOC GROUP ASSOCIATED WITH THIS BOARD INVOLVEMENT TO WORK WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AND TRY TO GET THE THING BACK ON TRACK.

I THINK EVERYBODY, FOR THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO, WERE JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GET THE BUGS OUT OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

AND, AND THEN I THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY WE GOT A LOT ON OUR PLATE TO DO THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

WE KIND OF SAID, WELL HERE YOU ARE.

YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB.

LET'S GO TAKE CARE OF OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AND WE GOTTA JUST ALL REGROUP WORK THROUGH THIS.

I I DO WANT REMIND YOU THAT IN 2020, THE GOVERNING BOARD AT THAT TIME ADOPTED THIS REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE PLAN STILL STANDS THE TEST OF TIME IF IT'S IMPLEMENTED MY LAW, I THINK IN OUR LAST MEETING WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS, WE HAD ALL DECIDED THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE A JOINT MEETING REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IN THE BOARD OF ALL ROOM.

UM, THIS IS JUST ME.

I BELIEVE THAT FOR THIS BUDGET, I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED TO ALLOCATE ANY SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR ANY PROPERTY ACQUISITION OR ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL WE HAVE THAT MEETING.

AND, AND I THINK THAT WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID TODAY, I THINK THAT THE MEETING IS GONNA BE FRUITLESS WITHOUT PROPER PLANNING AS TO WHO'S GOING TO DISCUSS WHAT AND WHAT GROUPS ARE GONNA BE THERE.

BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE I THINK IS GONNA BE, THERE IS THIS BOARD AND THE REBELLING COMMISSION, THAT'S ALL WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

BECAUSE UNTIL THIS BOARD, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION GETS ON THE SAME PAGE, THERE'S NO POINT IN BRINGING IN HABITAT OR ANYBODY ELSE.

WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS BOARD WANTS TO SEE AND HOW WE EXPECT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO EXECUTE ON THAT.

AND IT WOULD BE POINTLESS TO BRING IN ANYBODY ELSE AT THAT POINT.

AND JUST LIKE, I THINK IT'S POINTLESS FOR US TO ALLOCATE $200,000 FOR PROPERTY ACQUISITION BEFORE WE HAVE THIS MEETING, THIS CONVERSATION WITH 'EM.

BECAUSE WHAT IF THEY GO OUT AND WE HAVE THIS MEETING IN AUGUST AND THEY GO OUT JULY 15TH AND THEY BUY SOME PROPERTY AND THEY USE ALL THE $200,000 AND IT'S NOT WHAT THIS BOARD WANTED TO SEE.

BUT I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE COMMUNICATION.

THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO HAVE THE MEETING.

BUT WELL, UM, ALDERMAN OUTLAW, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO WORK TOGETHER ON PUTTING TOGETHER THE AGENDA, UM, I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT.

WELL, I MEAN MY MAYORS PRETTY MUCH SAID HOW LEE WAS DOING THAT.

IT'S GONNA BE BETWEEN COMMISSION AND THE BOARD.

WELL, I'D BE HAPPY TO HELP SET THE AGENDA.

I MEAN, I I THOUGHT THAT THIS BOARD DECIDED LAST TUESDAY NIGHT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE I UNKNOWN CURRENTLY IS WHETHER IT'LL BE IN JUNE OR JULY.

AND THEN I THINK THE GOAL WAS HOPEFULLY AT THE NEXT REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING, THEY WOULD, UH, APPOINT CHAIR TO, TO THAT BOARD AS WELL.

SO WE'LL SEE WHAT, WE'LL WHAT HAPPENS, MR. WILLIAMS, FOR CLARIFICATION, IN THE LAST, LET'S SAY 120 DAYS, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE MEETINGS THAT DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FORUM, ET CETERA, BUT COULD YOU GO OVER WHY IS ONE MEETING I THINK WAS POSTPONED FOR A PARTICULAR REASON? I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS, BUT I, I I, I CAN ONLY REMEMBER OFFHAND THIS, THIS LAST MEETING WE JUST HAD WAS, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE A FORUM FOR THAT ONE AND THAT'S, IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS, UH, A COMBINATION OF BEING THAT CLOSE TO HOLIDAY, PEOPLE WERE TRAVELING AND THEN WE HAD, I KNOW AT LEAST TWO, TWO MEMBERS THAT HAD FOUND A MEDICAL SITUATION.

SO, UM, AND I, I CAN PULL TOGETHER AND ASK THEM WHEN THE AVAILABILITY IS GET TOGETHER, AVAILABILITY IS, AND TRY TO COORDINATE, UH, TIME.

EVERYONE CAN MAKE IT MAYOR ORDER.

WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THE BUDGET WORKABILITY.

SO I GUESS THE, THE QUESTION HERE IS, IS DOES THE BOARD WANNA MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION BUDGET BEFORE? SO I WILL SAY WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT IN JUST A FEW MINUTES IN OTHER FUNDS, I BELIEVE.

TO ALLOCATE $75,000 TO HIRE A TEMPORARY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THIS IS THE TIME WHEN WE DISCUSS THAT.

SO WE'RE NOT RIGHT THERE YET.

THIS IS JUST, THIS REDEVELOPMENT IS JUST FOR THE PERSONNEL ASPECT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

I, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD KNOWS.

LIKE IF THE BOARD HYPOTHETICALLY SAID, WE WANT

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SO DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY APPETITE FOR DOING THAT AT THIS POINT? BASED ON EMPIRICAL INFORMATION OF, OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN IN THE PAST, I, I, I WOULD NOT FULFILL THAT POSITION AT THIS POINT.

MAYBE AFTER WE HAD A MEETING WITH, WITH THE COMMISSION AND RESTRUCTURE AND DEFINE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ALL THESE OTHER GROUPS AND THE REDEVELOP COMMISSION AND BOARD LAWMAN.

AGAIN, WE COULD DO IT AT A LATER DAY, BUT NOT, NOT RIGHT AS AND IF WE WANTED TO DO IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT FROM OUR GENERAL FUND, WE COULD DO IT FROM THE DEVELOP COMMISSION FUNDS.

SO YEAH, I'M FUNDING THIS AND AGAIN, SOME OF THAT, UH, MAYOR AS I RECALL, WE, THEY HAD HAD SOME, SOME FUNDING SOURCE FROM THE INCEPTION AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT 900 WE, WE SOLD TO CAROLINA AVENUE PROPERTY TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND SEATED THAT INTO BUILDING.

ALRIGHT, SO IF THERE ARE NO MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON REDEVELOPMENT, WE'D LIKE TO GO TO PUBLIC WORKS ON PAGE 1 77, PUBLIC WORKS CONSIST OF SEVEN DIFFERENT DIVISIONS.

ADMINISTRATION, INSURANCE, FLEET MAINTENANCE, PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND MAINTENANCE STREETS, STORM WATER AND SOLID WASTE.

THE TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET, THIS DEPARTMENT IS $10,945,993.

THIS REPRESENTS A 7.6% INCREASE OF THE CURRENT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON PUBLIC COURT? I LIKE AND THEN YEP.

AND UTILITIES.

AND THEN THE FINANCE POSITION, UM, WE'RE JUST MOVING IT FROM OVER OVERTIME AND PURCHASE SERVICES, PURCHASE SERVICES TO SALARIES AND BENEFITS.

AND THEN WE NEED TO UPDATE THE, JUST THE CLASSIFICATION PLAN FOR THAT.

WE HAVE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BASIC FEE, $25, REMOVE THAT FROM THE SCHEDULE FEES IN CHARGES.

WE HAVE UPDATE LANGUAGE ON THE HORSESHOE AT UPP RENTAL.

PAGE 84, ADD THE ELECTRIC ENGINEERING MANAGER POSITION AT CURRENT PAY GRADE OF 26, UM, FOR ELECTRIC UTILITIES AND REMOVE THE COLA FROM GOVERNING BOARD IN THE AMOUNT OF TOTALING 1909.

YOU MISSING ANYTHING? NOPE.

WHEN THEY WERE IN THE OLD FIELD.

FOR PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC WORKS.

PUBLIC BUILDINGS.

I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE FILING MUSEUM UTILITIES.

THAT'S THE BUILDING ITSELF IS THE CITY BUILDING.

RIGHT? AND THEN THAT PREPARATION IS, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THE LEASE TO PAY FOR UTILITIES, WE'RE JUST APPROPRIATING THE UTILITY PAYMENT TO THEM.

SO BY CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE, THE FIRING MUSEUM ORGANIZATION, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING FOR THE UTILITIES.

THERE'S ALSO LANGUAGE IN THAT AGREEMENT THAT SAYS THAT THE BOARD OF ENVIRONMENTAL RESERVE THE SOLE RIGHT TO BASICALLY REIMBURSE OF THE PARENTS MUSEUM FOR ELECTRIC UTILITY COSTS.

AND SO THIS HAS COME UP FOR REFUSE.

MATTER OF FACT, THE OTHER DAY, UH, A MEDIA OR SO AGO, UM, COURT BROUGHT THIS UP.

SO IT'S SOLELY AT THE BOARD'S DISCRETION.

IF YOU WANT TO REIMBURSE THEM FOR THEIR UTILITY EXPENSES, YOU, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE, EVERY BIT, EVERY ONE OF THE ARTIFACTS IN THAT BUILDING WAS BELONG TO THE CITY.

AND IF YOU WALK AWAY, IF THE FRIENDS OF THE FOUND MUSEUM WALKED AWAY AND ANOTHER ONE IT, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE DESTROYED IN THERE WITHOUT ANYBODY FIND CONTROL.

THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE CITY OF NEW BERN, UM, HAS ALWAYS ASSISTED IN THE UTILITY BILL.

IN FACT, THEY USED TO GIVE US, THEY USED TO GIVE A FIRE MUSEUM, MUSEUM MONEY OPERATING MONEY AS WELL.

THEY STOPPED THAT, BUT CONTINUED YOU THE, UH, THE PAYING OF THE UTILITIES OR HELPING WITH UTILITIES.

UH, JUST FOR THAT REASON BECAUSE THE ART PACK BELONG TO THE CITY NEEDS QUESTION.

WHAT'S THE WELL WE USED, WE USED TO PAY 'EM A LOT OF MONEY

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AND WHEN WE STOPPED FUNDING THEM, IT EXPEDITED THEIR MOVE TO THE OLD FIRE MUSEUM OR THE OLD FIRE HOUSE, WHICH IS NOW THE MUSEUM.

AND WHEN WE DID THAT, THEY ESSENTIALLY WERE GETTING NO MORE FUNDING FROM THE CITY.

SO THEY CAME BEFORE THE BOARD AT THE TIME AND SAID, WE NEED SOME HELP FINANCIALLY.

AND WE SAID, OKAY, WELL SINCE YOU'VE MADE PROGRESS AND YOU'RE MOVING IN THE BUILDING THAT WE ULTIMATELY WANTED EVERYBODY TO MOVE INTO, WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY, I THINK IT WAS $15,000, IS WHAT WE ESTIMATED WOULD COST US IF WE PUT ALL THOSE ARTIFACTS IN THE CLIMATE CONTROL STORAGE.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE NUMBER CAME FROM.

IT WASN'T JUST AN ARBITRARY NUMBER WE PICKED, WE FIGURED THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD COST IF WE HAD TO PUT THOSE IN CLIMATE CONTROL STORAGE.

SO WE WERE REIMBURSING THEM FOR THAT.

THAT WHAT YOU RECALL.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER THE GENERAL FUND OTHER TAB.

UM, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THAT, THAT SERVICE THAT WE PAGE 1 93.

YEP.

PAGE ONE THREE.

SORRY, THAT WE ESTABLISHED.

SORRY, CAN YEP.

UM, I'LL GO WITH THIS ONE.

SO THIS IS THE WHERE THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS WERE ORIGINALLY BUDGETED.

UH, WE'VE ONLY LEFT $15,000 IN THIS, UM, AREA FOR THE COST OF ISSUANCE.

SO WE'LL STILL HAVE COSTS RELATED TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE DEBT.

SO WE'VE KEPT THAT PART IN THIS BUDGET.

UM, PAGE 1 94, AND THIS IS THE INTER FUND TRANSFERS, UH, 520,000.

I KNOW THOSE ARE TRANSFERS OUT TO, UM, LIKE THE PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP, UM, THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FUND.

UM, MORE FORGETTING ONE, BUT JUST TO, UH, TRANSFERS OUT FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO OTHER FUNDS ON PAGE 1 95.

UH, BAD DEBTS.

UM, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH MORE OF AND RECENTLY WROTE OFF SOME REALLY OLD DEBTS THAT WAS CONSIDERED UNCOLLECTIBLE.

UM, SO WE'RE JUST BUDGETING A SMALL AMOUNT IN THERE FOR ANY OF THE FUTURE DEBTS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO WRITE OFF.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT NOW, BUT COULD YOU SEND US THE DETAILS BEHIND THAT? UM, PAGE 104? YES.

I THINK IT WAS IN THE .

I WAS LOOKING IT RIGHT NOW.

YEAH, I, I KNOW I HAD IT SOMEWHERE.

I JUST COULDN'T RECALL IT FROM THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

AND THEN ON PAGE 1 96, UM, THE CONTINGENCY OF $50,000, WE'VE BUDGETED THAT, UM, THE LAST FEW YEARS JUST FOR THOSE UNEXPECTED THINGS THAT MAY COME UP.

PAGE ONE 90, THAT THOUSAND, WHERE, WHERE IS IT A CONTINGENCY FOR BOTH THAT CONTINGENCY JUST FOR THE GENERAL FUND FOR, FOR A GENERAL FUND PROPERTY, ANY UNEXPECTED EXPENSE SET.

AND IT IS, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER, IT'S UM, IS THAT THE DISCRETION OF THE DISCRETION OF THE, UH, FINANCE DIRECTOR AND CITY MANAGER? OH, CONTINGENCY.

SO WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY USED IT THE LAST FEW YEARS, BUT WE JUST KEEP THAT IN THERE FOR, SO ON PAGE 1 97 IS THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN A FUNDS.

SO WE DON'T BUDGET THAT FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

THAT ALL WAS BUDGETED AT THE BEGINNING AND WE JUST CARRY OVER WHATEVER REMAINING FUNDS ARE UNEXTENDED.

SO THERE'S NO ANNUAL NEW BUDGET, BUT WHATEVER'S UNSPENT AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE WILL ROLL INTO NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

SO THAT'S THE LAST TWO PAGES OF THE, OF THE GENERAL FUNDS.

SORRY, WHAT? THE, THE NUMBERS.

SO THE ACTUAL SPENT WERE AS OF APRIL 4TH.

GOING ON AT HENDERSON PARK.

SO, UM, MORE MAYBE UPDATED WOULD BE, UM, YEAH, YOU, YOU GET THE MONTHLY RIGHT REPORT ON THAT.

SO THAT WOULD BE A PAGE.

SHE'S A NOTES ON ONE PAGE, 1 9 7 ARTICLE AND NOT GERMA ONE PAGE 1, 9 7.

BUT ALL OF YOUR THINGS

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WHAT'S, UM, I KNOW YOU GOT SOME GRANT FUNDING FOR SOME OF THAT.

WE RECEIVED A LITTLE BIT OF GRANT FUNDING.

UH, SEVERAL THINGS WERE A CHANGE IN SCOPE OF WORK FROM FEMALE PROJECTS WHERE THERE WAS EXTRA FUNDS AVAILABLE IN OTHER LOCATIONS UNDER CITY PARK.

AND SO A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THINGS WE'VE DONE OVER THERE, A PORTION OF THE NEW RESTROOM SCOPE WORK, UH, THE, UM, PLAYGROUND EDITION.

EDITION AND THEN OF LIGHTS.

UM, AND SO, UM, OFF LIGHTS WERE THE MOST RECENT THING THAT WAS INSTALLED ALONG THE RESTROOM.

AND I BELIEVE THIS SUMMER WE'LL HAVE THE FIELD CROWN IRRIGATION SAW PUT ON THERE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PLAY THIS FALL OUT.

IF WE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO, UM, OTHER FUNDS.

UM, 2 85, PAGE 2 85.

THIS IS THE, UM, DESCRIPTION FOR EACH OF THE OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ANGLE PROJECT FUNDS, UM, OR CAPITAL FUNDS I SHOULD SAY.

WE HAVE, UM, FOR MSD, OUR PROPERTY VALUATION REMAINS AT 200 MILLION.

UM, THE NEXT ONE, I KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT WERE ASSIGNED FOR FROM THE COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD APPROVED AND O OTHER THAN THAT, UM, THAT BALANCE AS OF RIGHT NOW IS, YEAH, THAT'S, UM, UM, ANYWAYS, THIS BUDGET INCLUDES THE PARKING CONTROL PERSONNEL, ANNUAL MAINTENANCE PROJECTS AND THERE'S NO CHANGE TO MSC AT THE ALARM TAX RATE OF, UM, 11.22 CENTS.

THE, UM, ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE IS OF SIX 30 2026 IS $544,160.

WE HAVE BUDGETED REVENUES OF FOUR 93,400 IF THAT TAX RATE STAYED, BUDGETED EXPENSES IS $215,184.

AND THEN THE TRANSFER TO FUND BALANCE WOULD BE 278,002 16.

IF, UM, THE MSS D TAX IS NOT LEVIED, THEN THE TRANSFER FUND BALANCE WOULD BE $55,816, WHICH MEANS WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH TO COVER THE BASIC OPERATIONS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ANY ADDITIONAL PROJECTS IN THAT YEAR UNLESS PULL UP BALANCE.

KIM, WHAT IS THE 2 78 TRANSFER TO FUND BALANCE? IF WE WERE TO LOBBY THE TAX RATE TAX, THEN WE WOULD TRANSFER THAT.

IT'S AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE WOULD TRANSFER TO FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF FY 27 AFTER JUST PAYING BASIC OPERATING COSTS.

WHO'S FUND BALANCE REVENUE COLLECTED MORE THAN THE BUDGET? BASICALLY THE SAME.

WHY? I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD YOU SAY IF NO MSS D IS TAX IS LEVY? 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN ASKED.

OH, OKAY.

IT'S THAT IF NO M MS D TAX IS LEVY, MY QUESTION WAS IF, BECAUSE I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT IF WE DID NOT, IF WE REMOVED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES FROM M MSST TAX VOTING, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE RESIDENTIAL TAX, THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES WERE ADDED FAIRLY, FAIRLY RECENTLY WITHIN THE LAST DECADE.

UM, BUT SO, AND IN PROCESS, IF THE BOARD WANTED TO ENTERTAIN THAT, BASICALLY YOU'D HAVE TO DRAW NEW MAP, NEW NEW LINES FOR YOU BASICALLY DO AWAY WITH THE CURRENT ONE AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT ENTIRE STATUTE PROCESS.

THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS I DIDN'T ASK THAT BOTTOM BULLET QUESTION, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHO ASKED THAT.

YEAH, AND I, I KNOW I'M GETTING OVER, BUT I DON'T RECALL US ADDING RESIDENTIAL TO MSD SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD.

THAT'S BEEN SINCE

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THOUSAND 13.

SO IT MUST HAVE BEEN BEFORE THAT.

IT HAS TO BE ALL, I THINK WHEN WE COMMERCIAL DRAFTED IT, WHEN WE CREATED THE MSD, THE MAP WAS SET AND THEN YOU DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO ASK TO BE REMOVED FROM THE MSB FROM THE DISTRICT.

SO I WOULD THINK JUST IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE DUN, FOR EXAMPLE, THREE FOURS OF THAT'S RESIDENTIAL AND ONE'S COMMERCIAL.

SO HOW WOULD YOU GO AHEAD? YEAH.

UM, SO TAKE A LOOK AT THE OTHER FUNDS THAT ARE IN HERE.

WE'VE GOT, IF YOU WERE TO CONTINUE ON TO PAGE 2 88, THERE'S DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S NO BUDGET FOR FY 27 BECAUSE WE WAIT UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT THE AWARD'S GONNA BE.

THEN ON PAGE 2 89 WE HAVE THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

THAT ONE'S GOT, UH, BUDGETED $233,900 FROM FUND BALANCE AND THAT'S ONE WHERE WE'LL LEARN, UM, UM, ANY AWARD LATER ON.

SO THEN THAT COULD BE AMENDED AT THE TIME THAT WE'RE, OUR AWARD IS CONFIRMED REDEVELOPMENT.

OH NO, I, SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE ON E 9 1 1 COMMISSION, BUT YOU'LL 89, UH, THERE ARE FUNDS ALLOCATED FOR OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, $26,000 UTILITIES AT $4,500.

UM, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN FOR THE, FOR THE EUBANKS HOUSE.

I I BELIEVE MARVIN DOES IT PAYING ANY OF THE UTILITIES.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT WAS FOR THE, UH, WALK BELLAMY HOME BEFORE THEY SOLD FOOD AND PROVISIONS $1,200, OTHER SUPPLIES OF MATERIAL BETWEEN 200 AND THEN CAPITAL OUTLAY FOR LAND STRUCTURE, $200,000.

SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR ANY DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GIVE US ON, ON, ON REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, BUT, BUT THIS IS WHAT I THINK THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THEIR RECENT MEETINGS.

SO WHY WOULD WE BUDGET 4,500 FOR UTILITIES IF THAT'S NOT REQUIRED ANYMORE? WE'LL, OKAY, SO 4,500 PROBABLY BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THEY PAID UTILITIES ON SO MOVED.

WELL, I, I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION.

I WOULD JUST, I SO MOVED SECOND.

UH, MOTION TO SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

UM, FOOD AND PROVISIONS $1,200.

IT WAS JUST CARRIED OVER FROM THE PRIOR YEAR BUDGET.

FROM WHAT I CAN TELL THROUGH THE LIAISONS OF THIS COURT TO THE REBEL COMMISSION, KNOW WHAT THE $1,200 WOULD BE FOR PART, PART OF IT WAS BOARD THE FUTURE RETREATS.

WE, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION OF ALL THESE, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE LONG MEETINGS AND THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO RECONSIDER THESE.

BUT OBVIOUSLY THE DECISION HERE WOULD CARE BECAUSE THE ONE DURING THE MEETING AND THEY, THEY WANTED TO STICK WITH WHAT THE PAST, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR DIDN'T WANNA MAKE A CHANGE UNTIL THEY GOT A NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BREAK THE BANK, BUT I THINK MOST EVERYTHING ELSE ALONE UNTIL WE HAVE THIS MEETING MIGHT BE PAST THE BUDGET APPROVAL DATE, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS AMEND IT LATER.

BUT I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS TO THINK WE'RE TRYING TO KNOCK TWO, THREE LEGS OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THE STOOL, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE MEET AND SEE WHERE WE'RE ALL GOING TO GO OR NOT.

GOOD.

I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT $1,200 FOR FOOD IS, IT'S ONLY HUNDRED A MONTH.

IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S ONLY HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.

WHAT DO THEY NEED FOOD FOR ANYWAY, BUT IT TAKE MORE THAN THAT FOR RETREAT.

WHAT, WHAT'S TO YOUR CONCERN MAY MOST WE WE ELIMINATE THE 1202ND.

MOTION AND SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSIONS.

ANY OF OPPOSED?

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OPPOSED? SO NOTED.

ALRIGHT, ON PAGE TWO 90, MR. FOR REDEVELOPMENT, CAN WE PUT A RESTRICTION THAT THIS 200 FOR LAND AND STRUCTURE CAPITAL OUTLAY IS NOT TO BE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GONNA BUDGET FOR IT, IT'S NOT TO BE SPENT UNTIL AFTER THIS MEETING.

SO SOME FORM OF BOARD APPROVAL, THE MANAGER APPROVAL REQUIREMENT, YOU, YOU, YOU GIVE DIRECTION, LET'S JUST GIVE DIRECTION TO THAT DIRECTION TO THAT FACT.

I, I AGREE WITH YOU PERSON.

ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT? AND OBVIOUSLY IF SOMETHING UNIQUE COMES UP BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, THEY CAN ALWAYS BRING IT BEFORE THE BOARD AND SAY, HEY LOOK, WE'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO ABSOLUTELY.

SORRY, I JUMPED AHEAD ON, UM, THE EMERGENCY 9 1 1 REVENUE.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE BUDGETED AT $72,010.

WE WILL GET A FINAL CONFIRMATION FROM PSAP ON THE GRANT AWARD AND THEN AT THAT TIME WE MAY OR MAY NOT NEED TO ADJUST THE BUDGET.

SO IN POLICE SPECIAL REVENUE ON PAGE 2 91, UH, $40,000 IS BUDGETED FOR SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS.

SO A SLIGHT INCREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, PAGE 2 92, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EQUITABLE SHARING OF $27,180 BUDGETED.

THAT'S MOSTLY FOR EMPLOYEE TRAVEL AND TRAINING, MAINTENANCE CONTRACT AND SOME SUPPLIES.

UH, THERE'S NO BUDGET FOR THE, UM, DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY EQUITABLE SHARING.

THERE'S JUST NOT AS MUCH ACTIVITY IN THAT FUND AT ALL.

AND THE PRIVATE, UM, PAGE 2 94, THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT'S $10,000, SO WOULD BE DOWNTOWN OR THE FACADE.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO IS, UM, GET SOME DIRECTION ON THE DOOR ON WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO, WITH THIS CLOSURE ON THE $10,000 FACADE GRANT.

TELL ME AGAIN, WHAT IS THAT USED FOR AGAIN? I MEAN, IT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS IS A FACADE GRANT, BUT WHO'S PICKED? DO THEY APPLY FOR IT OR WHAT IT IT'S APPLIED FOR? YES.

SO WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE.

IT'S APPLIED FOR, AND WE, WE GOT AWAY FROM DOING IT A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH FOLKS THAT RECEIVED THE FUNDS AND, AND EITHER THE BUILDING WAS RENTED AGAIN IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS.

AND SO BASICALLY THE, THE COST OF WHAT, WHAT WAS DONE, IT HAD NO IMPACT.

THE, THE GOAL IS TO IMPROVE A FACADE, BUT IT DIDN'T WORK.

AND SO, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S A LOT MORE DIFFICULT TO DO ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE ABLE TO TIE IT IN TO A CERTAIN LENGTH OF TIME, MAKE SURE THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE IN PLACE TO SAY FIVE YEARS OR WHATNOT.

UM, SO YEAH, IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT.

I THINK ITS A GOOD TIME.

I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THE LITMUS TEST FOR WHAT QUALIFIED AND DIDN'T.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD TIME TO ELIMINATE THAT AND REVISIT IT LATER IF WE SO WANT TO.

IS THAT A SECOND ALDERMAN ASKED MOTION? IT'S OKAY.

SO MOTION TO SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING ALL THOSE IN FAVOR A AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

SO ON PAGE 2 95, THAT'S OUR NEW, UH, GENERAL FUND DEBT SERVICE FUND.

UH, IT'S A BUDGET AS YOU IS THE $4.8 MILLION THAT, UM, INCLUDES ON THE REVENUE SIDE, SOME OF THAT AVALOR TAX OF THAT, UM, 0.275 PLUS, UM, WHATEVER ELSE WE NEED TO COVER THE CURRENT DEBT THAT WE'VE ALSO MOVED UP TO THIS.

SO ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, THAT'S THE CURRENT DEBT AND, UH, STARTING FOR THE FUTURE DEBT PAYMENTS.

ON PAGE 2 96 IS THE WATER CAPITAL RESERVE.

UH, TWO TH $10,000 BUDGET.

UM, ALL THAT REVENUE IS, UH, INTEREST EARNINGS AND THAT'S JUST SET ASIDE FOR FUTURE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES.

S THERE'S NUMBER $10,000 SET SIGN, 10,000 BUCKS.

RIGHT? THERE'S MORE IN THAT FUND, BUT THAT'S THE REVENUE THAT'S COMING INTO THAT FUND, JUST ON

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THE INTEREST.

THE MONEY THAT'S IN THAT FUND.

SO AT THIS POINT THAT'S, WELL, I I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, UH, HOPEFULLY THERE WAS, OH YEAH, NO, THAT'S JUST THE ANNUAL, THAT'S THE ANNUAL INTEREST EARNED ON THE MONEY THAT'S IN THAT FUND ALREADY.

IF IT PERFORMED 18 AND 18,000, 20,000, 12 AND 26 WIRE, Y'ALL THINKING, IS IT BECAUSE THE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY INVESTED HAS DECLINED OR SOMETHING? LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE AT LEAST 12, 12,000 WE'RE, UM, JUST BEING CONSERVATIVE.

ALL YES, WE ARE ON THE INTEREST EARNINGS.

WHERE WE ARE BEING CONSERVATIVE.

FOR ALL OF THE FUNDS, YEAH, WE'RE HOPING FOR MORE AND THAT'D BE GREAT.

AND IT WOULD JUST BE THAT MUCH MORE SET ASIDE.

IT'S NOT BEING SPENT ANYWHERE ELSE OR DONE ANYTHING.

IT'LL JUST KEEP GROWING IN THAT FUND.

ON PAGE 2 97 IS THE SEWER CAPITAL RESERVE REVENUE AND EXPENSES AND NO BUDGET FOR THAT FUND.

THEY ARE.

UM, THEY DO ALSO EARN A LITTLE BIT OF INTEREST, BUT NOT TO THE POINT TO ACTUALLY BE BUDGETING THAT AT THIS POINT.

PAGE 2 98 IS THE SEWER DEBT SERVICE FUND.

AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER ONE.

THERE'S NO, UH, BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR AND WE DON'T TYPICALLY BUDGET FOR THAT ONE EITHER.

IT'S ALSO EARNING A LITTLE BIT MORE INTEREST, BUT NOTHING OF GREAT, UM, AMOUNTS RIGHT NOW.

PAGE 2 99 IS THE, UH, ELECTRIC RATE STABILIZATION FUND AGAIN.

UM, THERE, THERE'S NO MONEY IN THAT FUND RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S JUST NO BUDGET.

LAST TIME WAS ANY MONEY IN THAT? UH, I, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? OH, I'M SORRY.

22 MAYBE.

I MEAN, IT WAS, I THINK THERE WAS SOMEONE WE GOT HERE IN 21, 22 AND IT WAS USED FOR THAT PURPOSE TO TRY AND KEEP THE RATES.

SO, UH, 50 AT THAT ONE.

SO ON PAGE 300 IS THE EMPLOYEE'S BENEFIT REVENUE FUND.

THIS IS THE, UM, HEALTH, THE DENTAL LIFE INSURANCES, WORKERS' COMPENSATION AND UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCES AND CLAIM COSTS.

SO, UM, WE'RE BUDGETING, UH, $9.6 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 27.

I, I REMEMBER BACK IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS WHEN IT WAS TWO OR 3 MILLION.

COULD BE WORSE.

THERE'S SOME CITIES IN NORTH CAROLINA, WHICH WAY? HUNDRED MILLION.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE FUNDS? I'M SORRY.

THE LAST ONE, UM, ON PAGE 3 0 2 IS THE OTHER POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS FUND.

UM, WE ARE JUST, UM, HAVE TO SET ASIDE, UM, TO FUND THE LIABILITY OF POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFIT COSTS.

SO WE'RE TRANSFERRING, UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS EACH YEAR FROM THE INSURANCE EMPLOYEES INSURANCE FUND INTO THE OP E FUND.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY GAINING, YOU KNOW, GETTING WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY EARNING A LITTLE BIT OF INTEREST ON IT'S, IT'S NOT GETTING WORSE.

UM, ANY QUESTION ON ANY OF THE OTHER FUNDS? SO, OKAY, SO YOU SEE THE TOTAL BUDGET SUMMARY.

WE DO HAVE A FEW TWEAK TO MAKE ON THAT, BUT ANY OTHER FEEDBACK BOARD WOULD LIKE TO AT THIS TIME? UM, UNLESS, I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS BUDGET, UH, DISCUSSION, BUT THINGS LIKE, WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT GREENWAY SOMEWHERE IN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CONNECTIVITY, UH, SIDEWALKS, POSSIBLY ALL THE WAY OUT.

THE DEPART AREA, UH, COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM, KEEPING IT UP, MAKING SURE ANY AND ALL HOMES THAT DON'T QUALIFY DO QUALIFY.

DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY IDEA IN DEVELOPMENT SEARCHES? HOW MANY HOMES ARE ON THAT LIST THAT DON'T MEET ANY RATING STANDARDS? THAT USED TO BE 20 OR 30? AND IS IT ZERO NOW? I I GET INFORMATION.

I'LL GET THAT BACK TO YOU.

THERE IS STILL A LIST, BUT IT'S PRETTY SMALL.

UM, SO I, I KNOW ALL THESE THINGS YOU'VE ALREADY, THEY WERE IN YOUR BUDGET OR, OR, OR WARNING YOUR BUDGET, BUT THOSE THINGS ALWAYS BE CONSIDERED, PARTICULARLY, YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN SO GOOD AT GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND RECREATION.

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SO, UH, I JUST WOULD ALSO SAY ANYTHING THAT WE AS A CITY CAN DO TO INCENTIVIZE OR MOTIVATE OUR CITY TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR GRANT FUNDING THAT IS POSITIVE FOR OUR CITY, PARTICULARLY GOLDEN RELIEF.

UH, THERE'S, THOSE ARE MONIES THAT ARE WELL WORTH SPENDING TO BRING, BRING HOME THOSE TYPE OF RESOURCES, FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO, TO THAT POINT AUBURN OUT LONG.

YOU KNOW, I, WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND, I MEAN WHEN IT COMES TO GRANT WRITERS, WE DON'T HAVE A GRANT WRITER HERE.

AND I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED ONE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT EACH DEPARTMENT GETS PUT KIND OF IN THEIR OWN SPOT OF TRYING TO APPLY FOR GRANTS AND BE ON THE LOOKOUT.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT KEEPS A RUNNING TRACK.

'CAUSE I KNOW AS I'VE GOTTEN SOME STUFF, I'VE PUSHED IT OFF AND ASKED, HEY, CAN WE FUND, YOU KNOW, GREENWAYS WITH THIS KIND OF GRANT? AND THE QUESTION AND THE RESPONSE WAS, MAYBE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE'RE NOT PLANNING FOR THIS GRANT.

AND SO IF THERE CAN BE AN EMPHASIS ON LOOKING FOR PLANNING FOR GRANTS EIGHT MONTHS OUT, BUT WE'RE GONNA APPLY.

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THAT THE, UH, GRANT WRITING FOR THE MOST PART IS MOST SUCCESSFUL WHEN YOU, YOU HIRE OUT.

UH, 'CAUSE THOSE TYPE FOLKS ALREADY HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT BENEFACTORS.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND A GRANT WRITING STAFF PERSON, I CAN JUSTIFY THAT MORE SO THAN LIKE A FOR ALL GENERAL TYPE GRANT WRITER.

UM, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FROM POLICE AND FIRE SOMETIMES THAT YOU CAN JUSTIFY THAT AS BEING A STAFF POSITION.

WHEREAS I THINK, UM, ALL THE THINGS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, HIRING AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS THAT TRACK RECORD OF PULLING THAT MONEY IN IS IS THE BETTER ROUTE WE GO.

SO I THINK IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE GRANT ITSELF.

BUT WE DO CONTRACT, UM, ESPECIALLY IN PUBLIC WORKS, PUBLIC UTILITIES, UH, WHEN THEIR GRANTS ARE THERE, WE CONTRACT OUT WITH FOLKS THAT SPECIALIZE IN THAT TRADITIONALLY IN PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF DOES THOSE THINGS.

AND WE'VE HAD A VERY GOOD SUCCESS RATE.

POLICE HAS HAD A VERY GOOD SUCCESS RATE IN SOME OF THE GRAND STATE APPLIED FOR, UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD A CONTRACT GRANT WRITER, IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT, UM, BECAUSE STAFF SPENT SO MUCH TIME HAVING TO FEED THE GRANT WRITER THE INFORMATION.

IT WAS, WHY DON'T WE JUST DO IT OURSELVES? AND IT, WHILE WE WERE SUCCESSFUL WITH CERTAIN GRANTS, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET OUT FROM UNDER SOME OF THOSE.

AND SOME OF THOSE GRANTS THAT WERE APPLIED FOR WERE GRANTS TO GET, GRANTS TO GET GRANTS.

AND SO WE'VE STRUGGLED, UM, TO BASICALLY CLOSE SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN, WE, WE ARE JOKING 24 GRANTS RIGHT NOW FOR CITY OUR SIDE THAT THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

AND, AND I CAN GET EMAILS FROM QUITE A FEW OF YOU ON A REGULAR BASIS WHEN YOU SEE GRANTS, WE ALREADY GET THOSE ON THE LISTSERV AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU SENDING THOSE.

AND SO WHEN WE GET THOSE, WE ALWAYS SEND THOSE TO THE, UH, AFFECTED DEPARTMENTS AS WELL, UH, TO SEE IF THERE'S INTEREST IN IT.

IF THERE'S NOT INTEREST, WE STILL LOOK AT THOSE AND SAY, HEY, MAYBE WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT DOING THIS.

SO CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT GRANTS.

UM, THE OTHER THING, AGAIN, BACK CUT WORKS, IT WAS MORE FOR GENERAL DISCUSSION.

THERE ARE AREAS OF NEWBURN THAT ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN 12 FEET THAT FLOOD SOMETIMES, AND THEY'RE NOT 500 YEAR FLOODS.

IT MIGHT BE A 40 YEAR, UH, EVENT.

UH, A WHITE BASS.

I KNOW FOR SURE A COUPLE SITUATIONS THEY HAVE.

AND UM, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF CLEAN WORK TRUST FUND MONIES ARE STILL AVAILABLE, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN ANOMALY ISSUES WITHIN THIS CITY THAT, UM, THERE ARE SOME MEANS OF, UH, REMEDIATION THAT I, I I WOULD GO FOR A FUNDING SOURCE OTHER THAN THE GENERAL FUND TO CHINA TO TRY TO RECTIFY THE, THE PROBLEM.

MR. HUGHES, I THINK THE GEO BONDS ARE NEXT, SO A STORM ORDER'S PART OF THAT.

SO IS THAT A SEGUE INTO IT? IT SURE IS.

ON THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND.

WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE WHERE THINGS ARE

[2. General Obligation Bond Update and Discussion]

ABOUT 11 MILLION, UM, FOR THE FIRST FIRM.

SO WITH THE $24 MILLION, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT, GO AHEAD.

GO.

LOOKING AT, UM, ISSUING

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AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE TIMELINE, UM, THE REFERENDUMS WERE APPROVED BACK IN OCTOBER.

THE, UM, APPROVAL FROM THE LDC WAS GIVEN IN DECEMBER.

THE BOARD RE RETREAT WOULD BE PROJECT UPDATES IN JANUARY.

AND THEN, UM, WE, WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH SOME CLEANING MEETINGS WITH BOND COUNCIL AND THE LDC.

SO WE DO NOW HAVE A, UM, BOND SALE DATE FOR AUGUST 25TH.

WE BACK THAT UP AND, UM, WE'VE GOT THE INFORMATION DUE THE LGC, WHICH WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP, JUNE 25TH, AND THEN JULY 8TH IS THE DUE DILIGENCE CONFERENCE CALL.

AND THEN AUGUST 12TH THE BOUNDARIES ARE PUBLISHED.

SO WE, UM, HAD FINAL SALE ON THE 25TH, AUGUST 25TH, AND THEN BY CLOSING AROUND SEPTEMBER 16TH AND THEN IN THE FALL START THE, UM, THE PROJECT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT WORK AHEAD BUT EXCITING? SO, LA RIVER IN SUMMER OF 2027, BRING 2028, BUT YOU'LL SEE IN STREETS STORM WATER, PARKS AND RECREATION PROJECTS BEING STARTED THIS FALL.

AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE GOING IN PLACE.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO HOW MUCH MONEY WAS, UM, THE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS WE'RE GETTING READY.

$10 MILLION IN STREETS AND SIDEWALKS.

FIRST, FIRST, FIRST PLACE IS 5 MILLION.

SO THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA PAY BASED ON THE PCR WE GET AT THE WORST STREETS.

IS THAT RESTRICTED JUST TO NEW SIDEWALKS OR CAN IT BE REPAIRED ALL SIDEWALKS? GEORGE, THE WAY I, IN REFERENCE TO THE $10 MILLION AND THE WAY I DEPARTMENT EVALUATED, UM, OF PCR WITH THE STREET RATING SURVEY THAT WE HAD DONE IN 24.

NOW THOSE ASPHALT, THE WAY WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS IS DOLLAR VALUES THAT IN THOSE RATINGS WERE BASED ON JUST THE ASPHALT.

THERE ARE OTHER STREET REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE DONE IN THE STREET ROADWAY, SUCH AS THERE'S SOME CURBING GUNTER WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

WE'VE GOT LOTS OF STREETS THAT IF WE'RE WORKING IN THE STREET, WE'RE GONNA DO CASTING ADJUSTMENTS.

SO MANHOLES THAT SIT TOO HOT, MANHOLE THAT SIT TOO LOW, WE'RE GONNA RECTIFY THOSE AS WE WALK THROUGH THE STREETS WE'RE WORKING ON, IF WE HAVE CONCRETE WORK IN THE AREA AND WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH EITHER DEGRADED SIDEWALKS OR INCLUDING A SIDEWALK SECTION, A DA RAMPS MAY NOT BE THE INTERSECTIONS.

WHEN WE COME TO THOSE, WHEN CAME THROUGH THAT AREA AND THERE'S VE WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THAT STREET, WE'LL ADDRESS THOSE IN THAT AREA.

WELL MY ONLY QUESTION IS WE GOT WE $10 MILLION TO DO STREET SIDEWALK WORK.

WHY DID WE BUDGET A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF SIDEWALK WORK? IN ADDITION, WE ALREADY SPEND 10 MILLION.

SO, SO ONE THING YOU ALSO NEED TO REMEMBER IS ON AVERAGE WE'RE GETTING ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS IN POWELL BILL FUND ANNUALLY.

SO SOME OF THAT HAS BEEN BUDGETED STORE TOWARDS SIDEWALKS AS WELL AS STREET.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE RISK FOR MAINTENANCE TYPE OF THING.

NOT NECESSARILY DEER PROJECTS THAT WE'RE BE SAVING BOND.

SO WE GET, WE BUDGET A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PLUS POWELL BILL MONEY OR SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE OR SIDEWALK.

THAT HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS SHOULD COME FROM POWELL BILL FUND AND THAT DOESN INCLUDE POWELL BILL MONEY.

BUT UM, JUST, JUST THIS PAST YEAR SINCE SOME OF THAT MONEY THAT WAS ALLOCATED, WE HAVE WORKED AT DOING INTERCONNECTION.

WE'VE DONE SOME CROSSING, WE DID ONE IN BELLS.

WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO ONE ON ON ROAD TO EXTEND THAT ACROSS THE TRIANGLE PARK AREA.

THAT SHOULD BE STARTING NEXT WEEK.

SO THOSE TYPES OF INTER WE'RE WORKING ON FILLING THE GAPS.

UM, THERE'S SOME SECTION SECTIONS FROM DOWN ROAD, SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT MONEY, THAT THAT LINE ITEM BUDGET FROM YOU INTERCONNECTION WE HAVE OR IF WE HAVE LONG SECTIONS THAT ARE IN NEED OF FULL CARE PREPARED.

WE DID ALSO A SECTION PREVIOUSLY AT THE INTERSECTION OF WATSON

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AND NATIONAL WHERE WE PUT IN ADA A RAMPS PUT IN CURB AND GUNNER AND ADDED SIDEWALK WHERE THERE WAS.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO FILL THESE SPOTS WHERE WE MAY HAVE SIDEWALK AND THERE'S EITHER NO CONNECTIVITY OR WE HAVE A LONGER RUN, WE GO THE SIDEWALK.

AND AS WE, AS WE START TO MOVE THROUGH THE STREETS AND SIDEWALK PROJECTS, ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT LOOKING AT THE PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN AND TRYING TO INCORPORATE SOME ELEMENTS IF YOU'RE GONNA THE STREET, BEING ABLE TO ADD A BIKE LANE OR IS THERE AN INTENT TO DO THAT? THE, THE, THE REALITY OF TRYING TO DO THAT IN AN EXISTING ROADWAY IS EITHER HAVE ROADSIDE DITCHES OR YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH EXISTING.

YOU GET INTO TRYING TO EXPAND THAT USABLE LIFT YOU'RE GETTING INTO RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY I THINK $10 MILLION WOULD BE CONSUMED QUICKLY WITH SURVEYS, LAWYERS, AND TRYING TO GET, AND IT WOULD NOT ACHIEVE THE GOAL.

AND SOME THE STREETS THAT, THAT ARE IN NEED OF IT AS WE'RE IDENTIFIED IN THE PCR.

CONSIDER A RESOLUTION, OPPOSING LANGUAGE AND LOCAL BILL REGARDING FILLING BOARD VACANCIES.

AND AND DO REALIZE ALSO THOSE PCR RATINGS WERE DONE IN 2024.

THERE'S BEEN SOME DEGRADING OF THE ROADWAY SINCE THEN, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS LAST ICE STORM IN JANUARY.

WE'VE SEEN AREAS THAT NOT RATED AS POORLY ON THE DCR, WHICH HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY COME APART MORE SINCE WE HAD THE DEVICE.

SO DID WE AS A BOARD LIKE ON THAT $16 WORTH OF STORM LOOK AT BETWEEN PUBLIC WORKS AND GEORGE HUGHES WHO'S VERY GOOD AT HYDRAULIC MODELS, IT'D BE LIKE A 14 FOOT AMENDMENT THAT, THAT NO AREA IN NEW BERN OVER 14 FEET ELEVATION UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE WOULD FLOOD BECAUSE THERE ARE AREAS THAT FLOOD THAT HAVE NO RATIONALE AS WHY THEY FLOOD.

THEY LET THAT BE A PRIORITY.

IN OTHER WORDS, LIKE YOU GOT $6 MILLION TO FOR STORMWATER, IDENTIFY THESE, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IT'S ALL WHITE MIGHT BE ALL THE BEST.

I MEAN BRUNSWICK AND NEW BOULEVARD NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THAT WATER UNDER THAT ROAD BECAUSE OF THE RAILROAD TRESTLE OUT TO MARK, MARIETTA LAKE, THAT AREA, ALL THAT AREA.

BETTER FLOODS.

I MEAN COULD, IT COULD THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE, HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RATIONALE JUSTIFICATION FOR FLOODING BE ON THE PRIORITY AND NOT JUST GENERALLY GOING TO SPEND $6 MILLION OVER 33 SQUARE MILES IN .

SO IN SOME OF THE AREAS YOU JUST MENTIONED, SOME OF THOSE AREAS WILL BE ADDRESSED WITH SOME OF THE ITEMS IDENTIFIED ALL THESE STORMWATER BOND ISSUES.

SO WHEN WE GET BACK TO HOW THOSE WERE SELECTED, UM, WE ALSO HAD A $400,000 ASSET INVENTORY ASSESSMENT DONE.

THAT WAS GRANT FUNDING THAT DID THAT WHERE THEY DID CAMERAING OF PIPES.

THEY ANALYZED AREAS FOR CAPACITY.

SO IT IDENTIFIED AREAS THAT NEEDED SOME IMPROVEMENT AND THAT'S HOW SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS WERE SELECTED.

SOME WERE SELECTED, THEY WERE EVALUATED DURING ACTUALLY HURRICANE FLORENCE.

THEY WERE NOT DAMAGED FROM FLORENCE, BUT NEEDED UPGRADES AND PIPE AND PIPE SIZE INCREASES, HEAD LOSS, SOME PIPE FAILURES.

UM, SOME PLACES WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A PIPE, WE MAY NEED TO, UH, INSTALL ONE THE SECTION, UM, RIGHT THERE ALONG MISS BOULEVARD IN FRONT OF, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE FEEDS INTO DE BOULEVARD.

UH, GLEN BURN, I'M SORRY.

THERE IS ACTUALLY A PIPE FURTHER DOWN THAT WILL BE, UH, UPGRADED IN SIZE.

SO A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS WERE IDENTIFIED THROUGH PRIOR EITHER GRANT FUNDING OR FEMA FUNDING WHEN WE WERE EVALUATING THOSE ITEMS. SO WE'VE GOT SOME PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF THESE AND KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY DO NEED UPGRADES AND THAT'S HOW THEY WERE SELECTED.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THE BONDS THERE? NOT, UH, IT'S NOW TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE BUDGET.

ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE STEP FORWARD.

I SEE NONE.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

[4. Consider Adopting a Resolution Opposing Language in Local Bill Regarding Filling of Board Vacancies. ]

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WE GOT A DRAFT A TODAY OF AN UPDATED BILL THAT DO WE HAVE THAT DRAFT RESOLUTION? I'M, OH, I'M SORRY.

I DO HAVE THAT, I HAVE THAT.

I MEAN I GOT THE DRAFT.

I THINK WE ALL GOT THE DRAFT OF THE BILL THAT WAS FILED, A NEW DRAFT THAT INCLUDES LANGUAGE ON THE SPECIAL ELECTION ADDED TO IT.

AND FOR ME, MY POSITION HAS BEEN CHANGED, BUT WE JUST ASKED FOR THE ELECTION TO BE MOVED TO AN EVEN YEAR NOT TO HAVE A SHOCK DOCUMENT ON BILL OF VACANCIES FOR A SITUATION THAT I DON'T THINK'S GONNA OCCUR.

SO I'LL SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION, MOVE THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION AND SEND IT TO OUR DELEGATE, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

I HAVE A MOTION.

A SECOND IS INTO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

HEARING NUN HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN BRYANT.

ALDERMAN BRYANT? YES.

ALDERMAN FERGUSON? YES.

MAYOR O? YES.

MOTION CARRIES.

UH, ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

A MOTION TO SECOND.

FURTHER DISCUSSION.

HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.