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SOMETHING ABOUT THIRD DIMENSION.I CALLED AN ORDER THE MAY, JUNE, SORRY.
JUNE, WORKSHOP FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION NORTH CAROLINA NEWBURN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
THE CHAIRMAN'S IN INTRODUCTION TO THE WORK SESSION IS THAT WE WELCOME YOU.
AND THE WORK SESSION IS USED FOR COA DESIGN REVIEWS FOR TRAINING, AND FOR INFORMAL DISCUSSION OF MATTERS THAT DO NOT REQUIRE FORMAL ACTION BY THE HBC BUSINESS REQUIRED.
A VOTE MAY NOT BE CONDUCTED AT A WORK SESSION.
PUBLIC COMMENT IS NORMALLY NOT ALLOWED AT A WORK SESSION, AND NO QUORUM IS REQUIRED AT A WORK SESSION OF ATTENDANCE BY HPC COMMISSIONERS.
COUNT, WHILE NOT MANDATORY IS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED.
FOR TONIGHT, THE PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO COA APPLICANTS ON NEW'S, HISTORIC PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, CITY ORDINANCES AND STATE STATUTE STATUTES RELATED TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, CHANCE TO BOTH THE APPLICANT AND HPC TO EXCHANGE INFORMATION AND ASK QUESTIONS.
IN ADDITION, WE WILL CONDUCT SOME TRAINING AND DISCUSSION OF OTHER ACTIVITIES, AND I WILL ASK FOR AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE AGENDA AFTER YOU DO THE ROLL CALL.
AND MOLLY BALES AND TIM THOMPSON ARE CURRENTLY ABSENT.
[1. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA]
THANK YOU.AND THE ADJUSTMENTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS WE'VE GOT SOME FOLKS HERE WITH SOME MARVIN WINDOWS, AND WHAT MATT TELLS ME IS YOU HAVE A WOOD INSULATED WINDOW.
IS THAT RIGHT? WITH, UH, WOODEN MOANS AND YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD OPTION FOR PEOPLE IN NEWBURGH.
SO I'LL JUST ASK YOU TO COME UP, SHOW IT TO US.
TELL US WHATEVER YOU NEED TO TELL US ABOUT, MAYBE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FIRST AT, AT THE BIKE.
UM, YOU'RE NOT BEING SWORN IN.
NO, UH, I'M, MY NAME IS PHIL CARBONI WITH WINDOWS AND MORE, UM, ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO WE OPENED UP A SHOWROOM THERE AND, UH, ON MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD.
UH, IN THE LAST 23 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN IN ATLANTIC BEACH, UM, SELLING NEW CONSTRUCTION AND REMODELING PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR.
UM, IN THOSE 23 YEARS WE'VE BEEN WITH MARVIN, UM, 115 YEAR OLDS COMPANY BASED OUT OF RAILROAD MINNESOTA.
UM, THAT STARTED OUT MAKING SASH JUST REGULAR WOOD SASHES.
THAT'S ALL THEY DID, UM, AS A CEDAR SHOP.
FROM THERE, IT EXPANDED INTO WHAT WE KNOW AS MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY THAT DOES WOOD, FIBERGLASS AND ALUMINUM.
UM, I DO HAVE A SAMPLE IN THE TRUCK IF YOU WANTED TO SEE, UM, THE ACTUAL WOOD WINDOW ITSELF.
UM, BUT THE MAIN THING WE DO IS, IS MARVIN HAS THE ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO ON A HISTORIC FRONT WITH WOOD WINDOWS, WE CAN MATCH STYLE RAILS, WE CAN MATCH GLASS, WE CAN MATCH MUL BARS.
UM, EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE THERE COULD BE IN A SINGLE GLAZE UNIT.
UM, WE DO HAVE THE RESTORATION GLASS FOR, WE CAN ALSO UPGRADE INTO DOUBLE PANE INSULATED LOW E IF WE GO THAT ROUTE.
BUT EVERYTHING IS DONE WITHIN THAT WOOD WINDOW.
UM, I DO HAVE WILL GRIFFIN HERE.
HE'S MAR MY MARVIN ARCHITECTURAL REP.
UM, SO I'M SORRY, DID YOU SAY IT'S ALL WOOD? THE, THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH? IT'S NOT A COMPOSITE.
WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO A, AT SOME POINT IN TIME IF IT'S APPROVED TO DO ALUMINUM CLAD EXTERIOR WOOD INTERIOR.
BUT DIRT, BREAD AND BUTTER IS AN ALL WOOD WINDOW.
UM, AND REALISTICALLY IT COULD BE PINE.
NOW THAT YOU'RE STARTING TO HEAR A LOT OF, A LOT OF WAVE IN A KOYA.
MARVIN PRODUCES A 50 YEAR WARRANTY ON ROT ON THAT WINDOW.
UM, IT'S A NEW KIND OF NORWEGIAN WOOD WHERE THEY ACTUALLY TAKE WHERE PINE WOOD, UM, THEY TAKE THE WATER OUT OF IT AND INJECT VINEGAR INTO IT AND IT BECOMES STRONGER, SUSTAINABLE AND PAINTABLE.
UM, WE MOSTLY GO PAINTABLE ON IT, UM, VERSION, BUT IT IS 50 YEAR ROT RESISTANCE FROM MARVIN AS THE WARRANTY PROGRAM.
AND YOU INSTALL AS WELL? WE IN CORRECT.
UH, THE BIGGEST THING ABOUT US ON OUR INSTALL PROGRAM IS WE OFFER, NOBODY IN THIS MARKET AROUND HERE IS GONNA OFFER FIVE YEARS AS A WARRANTY ON THE INSTALL OF OUR WINDOWS FOR FIVE YEARS.
IF A LATCH DOESN'T WORK, A DOOR DOESN'T OPERATE CORRECTLY.
IF IT MOVES A LITTLE BIT FOR FIVE YEARS, WE WARRANTY THAT OUR SERVICE ON THAT INSTALL AND
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ALL OF OUR INSTALLERS ARE OUR OWN EMPLOYEES.WE DO NOT SUBCONTRACT OUR OUT.
WELL, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT'S AN OPTION FOR US.
TYPICALLY, MATT WOULD BE THE FIRST CONTACT THAT PEOPLE GET AND WE LIST WHAT ARE YOUR OPTIONS? AND THAT CAN BE AMONG THE LIST OF OPTIONS.
THE QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE A COMPOSITE WINDOW? UM, AS FAR FIBERGLASS, I WAS GONNA SAY IF YES, IF YOU CONSIDER FIBERGLASS AS A COMPOSITE, WE DO A FIBERGLASS EXTERIOR PROTRUDED WITH A PINE BASE INTERIOR.
UM, FROM THERE IT COULD BE NATURAL PINE.
UH, WE CAN DO SOME PRE-FINISHED WHITE CLEAR COAT, BUT IT WOULD BE PROTRUDED, FIBERGLASS, EXTERIOR WOOD, INTERIOR.
AND WE, WE ONLY ARE CONCERNED WITH OUTSIDE ON THE HPC, SO MM-HMM
BUT THAT FOR THE CUSTOMER, AN ADDITIONAL CUSTOMER OPTION BECAUSE THEY AREN'T ALL HISTORIC HOMES.
AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME TOO, AS YOU WANT TO GO, IF YOU WANTED TO, WE'LL BE IN MY ARCHITECTURE WORK.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME, SOME FORUMS IN HERE THAT ARE ABOUT 45 MINUTES LONG.
IF YOU HAD IT OR SOMEONE NEEDED IT, WE COULD SIT DOWN WITH THEM.
WE JUST DID AN ARCHITECTURAL, WE'RE DOING MBF TOMORROW JUST TO START EDUCATION.
THE EDUCATION PROCESS OF THE MARVIN WINDOW.
UM, WE GOT AN MBF SHIRT UP HERE, SO THERE YOU GO.
WE'LL KNOW MORE THAN WE NEED TO KNOW, BUT OH, THERE YOU GO.
BUT, SO YEAH, WE'RE DOING M TOMORROW.
SO IT, IT, IT'S A LEARNING CURVE HERE.
UH, THE WOOD BUSINESS IS, IS SOMETHING, LIKE I SAID, 114 YEARS.
THEY, THEY KIND OF KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO WOOD.
DID YOU BRING ANY, UM, FLYERS OR INFORMATION OR CARDS WITH YOU? UH, I DID BRING SOME, CORRECT.
AND, AND IF WE, IF SOME OF US WANTED TO GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE UNIT OUT AT YOUR PLACE, WE COULD DO THAT AT SOME POINT.
WE ARE, UH, UM, WE'RE CLOSED ON MONDAYS.
UM, MOST OF THE TIME IN THE AFTERNOON I'M UP HERE 'CAUSE I HATE MISSING THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A WALK-IN
UM, BUT WE'RE OPEN, UH, TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
UM, IF WE NEEDED A SATURDAY, I'D DO A SATURDAY.
BUT I, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR DISPLAYS, UM, OUR MARVIN DISPLAYS AND I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO FIND SOME DISPLAYS THAT ANYONE'S DISPLAYING ANY KIND OF LIKE BLACK WALNUT WINDOWS, UM, WINDOWS, WHITE OAK.
AND DO THEY COME PRIMED? WE IN OUR ULTIMATE SERIES, PRIMED IS AN OPTION.
I KIND OF LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU START WORK WITH, WITH DESIGNERS THAT KNOW ALL THOSE DIFFERENT SHADES OF WHITE JUST
WHAT IS YOUR ADDRESS? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE ADDRESS? THE ADDRESS? WELL, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US YOUR LITERATURE, RIGHT? UH, WE'RE AT 39 60 MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD.
WHERE? KITTY CORNER FROM PAULA'S ITALIAN RESTAURANT.
AND THE NAME OF THE, THE NAME OF THE COMPANY.
AND HAS, HAS MATT APPROVED OF THE WINDOWS? HAS MATT SEEN THE WINDOWS? HAS MATT SEEN THE WINDOWS? YEAH, MATT HAD OUR SAMPLE.
THE SAMPLE I HAVE IN MY TRUCK, UH, HE, THEY HAD FOR ABOUT A WEEK.
AND THAT SAMPLE WAS NICE BECAUSE OUR TOP SASH WAS AN AUTHENTIC DIVIDED LIGHT, SINGLE GLAZED VERSUS THE BOTTOM SASH, WHICH WAS A DOUBLE PANE INSULATED.
SO YOU COULD SEE THE LITTLE VARIANCE IN WHAT THEY CAN DO.
AND WHAT DID, DO YOU HAVE PRODUCTS THAT FIT MOST BUDGETS OR, UM, SURE.
UM, DEPENDS WHETHER YOU WANT GLASS OR NOT.
REALLY, THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION.
UM, YEAH, OUR ULTIMATE SERIES IS OUR HIGHER END SERIES.
UM, THE COURT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE WHERE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY, NO ANSWERS THERE.
ELEVATE, WHICH IS OUR FIBERGLASS SERIES.
UM, INSTEAD OF 18 COLORS, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA GET SIX, UM, INTERIOR ONLY GONNA GET PINE.
AND THEN FROM THERE WE'LL DO A PRE-FINISHED WHITE OR A CLEAR COAT.
SO OUR BUDGET'S GONNA COME DOWN, OUR YES ANSWERS ARE GONNA SHRINK.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR YOU'RE WELCOME.
JUST STAY WITH MATT AND HE'LL KEEP YOU INVOLVED.
WE HAVE NO, WE HAVE NO, UH, WE HAVE NO INDIVIDUALS COMING.
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A, A SUMMARY OF ANYTHING, IF YOU WANNA START WITH THE DISCUSSION ON STANDARDS AND POLICIES, UPDATES, I CAN START THAT OFF.WE HAD OUR MEETING, OUR SPECIAL MEETING MONDAY MORNING OR AFTERNOON, AND I THINK IT WAS VERY GOOD.
UM, AND WENT THROUGH ALL THE QUESTIONS WE HAD ABOUT UPDATES TO THE GUIDELINES TO BECOME STANDARDS, UH, DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND
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STANDARDS.JIM, JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING THAT WE HAD ON MONDAY.
AND SO, DID ANYONE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OVERNIGHT THAT THEY SAID, OH, I, I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT, OR I NEED CLARIFICATION OF THAT.
I THINK WE, WE REALLY COVERED A WHOLE LOT AND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT IS COMMISSIONER THOMPSON WEEK AND MYSELF, I I, I DID WANT THE QUESTION.
I THINK TIM BROUGHT UP COMPOSITE WINDOWS.
DID, DID WE SAY WE WERE GONNA CONSIDER THEM OR NOT? CONSIDER THEM CONSIDER COMPOSITE WINDOWS ON ADDITIONS TO HISTORIC CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
JUST ON ADDITIONS, BECAUSE THAT WOULD CONSIDER, THAT WOULD CONTINUE THE EMULATION OF THE APPEARANCE FROM THE OLD STRUCTURE TO THE ADDITION, BUT NOT ON NON-CONTRIBUTING.
BUT REMEMBER, UH, MAIN STRUCTURE, WE MAY NEED TO CLARIFY WHAT WE THINK COMPOSITE IS.
'CAUSE I THINK SOME PEOPLE WERE SURPRISED TO THINK THAT, UM, FIBERGLASS WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT.
SO WELL JUST IF MAY REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION.
BUT, UM, WELL, HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE COMPOSITE? UM, I, I WAS THINKING IT WAS, UM, UH, A, A WOOD MIXTURE, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VISUALLY EMULATE, YOU DON'T KNOW THE COMPOSITE CONSTRUCTION.
SO, I MEAN, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT LATER.
AND I THINK SOME PEOPLE WERE, AND AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE GONNA CONCLUDE HERE IS STILL A DRAFT.
AFTER WE FINISH THAT, WE SHOULD BE FAIRLY SOON.
UH, WE'LL SHARE IT WITH YOU AND AT THE SAME TIME MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN WE'LL START FROM THERE.
AND, UH, MS. RU IS GOING TO SEND OUT ACTUALLY POSTCARDS TO EVERYBODY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS TO TELL THEM WE'RE SEEKING INPUT.
AND THAT'S FOR CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES, WHICH, WHICH THE, UM, UM, MODIFIED THE, THE FACT THE, UH, WELL, THE COMPOSITE COMPOSITE, THE COMPOSITE LOOKS MORE LIKE A WOOD WINDOW.
AT LEAST THE ONES I'M FAMILIAR WITH.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT THAT IS.
BUT WHAT I'VE GOT, WHAT I'VE WRITTEN FOR MY DRAFT IS VISUALLY EMULATE.
SO, AND THAT COMES FROM PRESERVATION BRIEF 16.
AND ACTUALLY VISUALLY EMULATE IS IN OUR OWN CURRENT GUIDELINES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
SO IT'S NOT A UNIQUE TERM TO US.
SO, SO, SO I'M HOPING THAT MOST OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE WENT THROUGH, UH, WE CAN GET TO THE POINT WHERE EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THOSE AND WE CAN FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, THE CHANGES THAT WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT WITH SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS.
'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD, WHERE THE DETAILS COME IN.
UH, AS I SAID, AS I SAID ON MONDAY, IT'S NOT SO MUCH GETTING THE DETAILS RIGHT FOR THE HBC FOR THE NEXT YEAR, BUT IT'S FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, CAN THINGS STILL BE INTERPRETED IN A CONSISTENT WAY SO THAT WHAT WE DO TODAY, YOU KNOW, IS, IS CONSISTENT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW MM-HMM
I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU GUYS ARE HITTING ON THE EXACTLY THE DETAILS THAT WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS ON AS FAR AS CHANGES ARE CONCERNED.
AND IT'S POSSIBLE WE'LL GET SOME COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT HELP US IDENTIFY THAT.
SO WITH, WITH THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW.
WE WILL USE HASTE TO GET THAT DONE.
AND, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THAT TIM HAS DONE ON THIS, UH, TAKING THINGS, FORMATTING THEM, EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING THAT GOES OUT.
I WILL CAUTION YOU, IT IS NOT THE END PRODUCT APPEARANCE, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE EXPECT TO HAVE THE TEXT DONE, AND THEN THAT WILL GET TURNED OVER TO A GROUP THROUGH DEVELOPING SERVICES TO TURN IT INTO A MORE VISUALLY APPEALING PRODUCT WITH MORE LINKS, MORE PICTURES, ET CETERA.
ANYTHING ELSE ON DESIGN STAND ON, ON STANDARDS AND POLICIES, UPDATES? NOTHING.
UM, CHAIRMAN, CAN YOU MAKE, HE HAS A, CAN CAN THE AUDIENCE MAKE A QUESTION? DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION POSSIBLE? MIKE? YES, PLEASE.
YEAH, THESE DO GET RECORDED AND, AND YEAH.
I, I APPRECIATE, UM, YOU ALL FOR HAVING US HERE.
UH, JUST THROUGH YOUR CONVERSATION, I WANTED TO JUST SAY I WORK FOR MARVIN MANUFACTURER, UH, AS AN ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT PRIMARILY.
SO I HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THOSE, UH, IN
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THE HISTORIC, UM, OFFICE AT GEORGETOWN AND CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, AS THEY BOTH WERE REWRITING THEIR CODES.CURRENTLY A DELINEATION THAT THEY MADE, SPECIFICALLY WHEN IT COMES TO COMPOSITE WINDOWS, I WOULD URGE US TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE USE OF THE TERM COMPOSITE, BECAUSE THAT IS A VAST ARRAY.
BUT LIKE WE MENTIONED, UH, A, A VINYL WINDOW IS COMPOSITE, A FIBERGLASS WINDOWS COMPOSITE.
WE WANT TO, THERE ARE DIFFERENT DELINEATIONS SPECIFICALLY TO LIKE THE CSA MASTER SPEC CATEGORIES THAT MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT IN TERMS OF WHAT TYPE OF, AND WHAT QUALITY OF A COMPOSITE DO WE WANT TO SEE IN THE TOWN VERSUS MAYBE NOT.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, I DID GIVE, UH, MS. MOLLY MY CARDS AND IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT, UH, I CAN DO TO BE OF HELP TO YOU GUYS, UM, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME BECAUSE I'M ON.
COULD YOU SEND MATT WHAT THOSE GRADATIONS ARE OR WHAT THE SURE.
WE DON'T GET MANY EXPERTS, SO THANK YOU.
BUT WE HAVE LOTS OF EXPERTS, SOMETIMES
NEXT IS REPORT ON DISCUSSIONS OF, ON THE PRE PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT CASES.
AND THAT HAS A GOOD SUMMARY THAT HE'S PUT TOGETHER IN HERE.
MATT, DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT, PLEASE? UM, I GUESS JUST BRIEFLY AND, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PUT ON THE SCREEN TOO? YOU CAN, YEAH.
I'LL HAVE TO LOOK UP REAL QUICK.
AND I'M ASSUMING COLORS MEAN SOMETHING, WHICH YOU'RE GONNA EXPLAIN TO.
YOU DON'T HAVE A KEY, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT.
NO KEY
SO, UM, ON THE SCREEN, UH, LET'S SEE.
LET'S GET RID OF THAT AND THEN BRING IT UP TO THE TOP.
SO STARTING AT THE TOP, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, THE HIGHEST PRIORITY, UH, UH, PROPERTIES OF CONCERN.
THIS WHOLE TABLE IS JUST PROPERTIES OF CONCERN TO THE PREVENTION, DEMOLITION, NEGLECT DISCUSSION GROUP.
UH, AND, UH, YOU'LL NOTICE MAYBE NOT SO CLEARLY ON THE PRINTOUT, BUT MORE SO ON THE SCREEN, I BELIEVE.
UM, THERE IS ALSO TOP HIGHEST PRIORITY, UH, ONES WHICH ARE NUMBERS 1, 2, 3, AND EIGHT.
UM, THOSE WERE IDENTIFIED AS THE ONES THAT WE WOULD FOCUS ON, UM, MORE IMMEDIATELY.
UH, WHEREAS ALL THE REST IN THE RED ARE HIGHEST PRIORITY.
THEN AS YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, YOU'LL SEE IT, THEY BECOME YELLOW AND THOSE ARE HIGHER PRIORITY.
UH, AND THEN THE NEXT SECTION IS WHITE PAGE DOWN HERE.
SO, SO THESE ARE AN ORDER OF PRIORITY? YES.
RED, YELLOW, WHITE, AND THEN TAN AND GREEN.
ORANGE OR TAN IS, UH, POTENTIAL NEW LISTINGS AND GREEN ARE THE SUCCESSFUL REHABS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
AND THOSE HAVE A SEPARATE NUMBERING SYSTEM.
SO, UM, THE FIRST, UH, FIRST THREE CATEGORIES, UM, ARE 16 PROPERTIES.
AND THEN THE POTENTIAL NEW LISTINGS WOULD TAKE US TO, UH, 21 TOTAL.
UH, WHEREAS THEN ON THE SUCCESS SIDE, WE HAVE, UM, 17 LISTED THERE.
ACTUALLY BELOW THAT SECTION WE HAVE A SECTION ON, UH, TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE TO BE DEMOLISHED.
UM, SO, UH, THOSE ARE OUR, OUR, I GUESS WE LOST THOSE CASES.
UM, SO, UM, SO WHAT MAKES RED PRIORITY? IS IT, IS IT, IS IT CALENDAR PRIORITY OR IS IT NO.
SO THE, IT'S MOSTLY, UH, THE, UM, JUDGMENT OF THE PREVENTION DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT DISCUSSION GROUP.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE, UM, OVER THE COURSE OF TIME NOW, UH, UH, IDENTIFIED THESE AS HAVING PARTICULARLY DRASTIC OR MOST SERIOUS, UH, PROBLEMS ON THEM.
AND SO, UH, THEY WERE FELT TO BE ONES THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED, UM, WITH MORE VIGOR AND MAYBE MORE URGENCY.
UM, WHEREAS THEN THE YELLOW ONES MAYBE LESS, SO THERE'S ONLY FOUR THERE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE HIGH PRIORITY ONES, UH, THERE'S TWO THERE.
SO, UH, THIS PAST MEETING, WHICH WAS JUST YESTERDAY, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO REMOVE FROM THIS,
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UH, TABLE, UH, FOUR PROPERTIES THERE, YOU CAN SEE WITH THE RED LINE STRIKE THROUGH.UH, AND WE ALSO, OR ACTUALLY FIVE, BECAUSE THERE'S ONE ON THE FRONT PAGE AS WELL.
UH, THAT'S THE DEMOLITION ONE THAT, UH, HAS BEEN NOW MOVED TO THE VERY BOTTOM SEVEN 10 NEWS THREE.
SO, UM, THE OTHER THING, UM, TO THE, ALL THE BOXES WITH THE RED LINES AROUND THEM, UH, SUCH AS ON THE SCREEN HERE, WE HAVE, UH, ONE THAT'S SHOWING WITH THE RED LINE ON THIS, UH, WHITE BOX HERE.
UH, THE RED LINES ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE, THAT WE, UH, UH, UH, MADE SOME DECISIONS ON AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO I THINK MOLLY WAS GOING TO MAKE A, A SUMMARY OF THAT, OF THOSE THINGS.
BUT, UM, SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE YELLOW BOX? IT'S JUST RED.
SO THAT YELLOW BOX ON THE RED, THAT'S WHAT THAT YELLOW OR RED OUTLINE YEP.
SO, SO THESE ARE NOT ANY KIND OF CHRONOLOGICAL, I MEAN, IT'S NOT FIRST IN, FIRST OUT.
THERE IS SOME PRIORITIZATION BY, BY THE, BY THE GROUP.
AND, AND WHAT YOU SEE ON THE PAPER IS JUST AN EXCERPT OF, UH, FIVE COLUMNS OUT OF A 70, 70 COLUMN SPREADSHEET, UM, WHICH I'M SURE YOU DON'T WANNA SEE.
IN FACT, THE, THE ONE WITH THE PHOTOS IS COLUMN BK, WHICH IS DEFINITELY O GETTING INTO THE FIFTIES ON THAT ONE.
SO, UM, AND THEN THERE'S A WHOLE ON THE LEFT OF OUR SPREADSHEET IS, UH, BASICALLY A, A RECORD OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS, UH, AND WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT IS, UH, THE ENTIRE PROCESS, UH, THE 17 STEP PROCESS OR SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE, I HAVE, UH, WE HAVE ONE, TWO, A, B, C, THREE, A, B, AND THESE ARE ALL BASED ON THE ACTUAL PROCEDURES IN OUR, UM, IN OUR PROCEDURE MANUAL, 17 STEPS PLUS A BUNCH OF SUB STEPS.
SO, SO THAT'S HOW WE'RE, UM, TRACKING THESE.
AND I, UM, I ACTUALLY CALL THIS A TRACKING, UH, UH, SPREADSHEET.
BUT, UM, FOR, FOR THE PURPOSES OF, UH, IDENTIFYING, YOU KNOW, THE PRIORITIES, UM, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THESE, UH, FIVE COLUMNS FOR YOU.
JUST A QUESTION ON, UM, AND I KNOW IT WILL VARY FROM WEEK TO WEEK.
WHAT PERCENTAGE, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU SPEND ON DBN VERSUS, UH, APP COAS OR, OR INFORMATION GIVING OR EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU DO? HOW MUCH OF THIS PART OF YOUR TIME? UM, AND I KNOW IT VARIES WEEK TO WEEK.
IT VARIES MONTH TO MONTH, UH, ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE, UH, SOME MONTHS I HAVE NO TIME TO DO THAT, AND OTHER MONTHS I HAVE MORE TIME, UH, DUE TO SOME MONTHS.
I HAVE FIVE WEDNESDAYS, AND THAT GIVES ME AN EXTRA WEEK IN THAT MONTH THAT I CAN CATCH UP ON SOME THINGS LIKE THIS.
UH, AND, UH, MAYBE THIS MONTH, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROJECTS COMING UP, I CAN CATCH UP ON A FEW AS WELL.
UH, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS TO CATCH UP ON TOO.
BUT, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, JUST FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE, OF COURSE, IT ALSO VARIES.
AND MANY OF THESE HAVE, UM, HAD CONTACT FROM US AT SOME POINT.
BUT, UH, WE START WITH, UM, TRYING TO CONTACT THEM PERSONALLY ONE-ON-ONE AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE, THEIR, THE ISSUES WITH THEIR, UH, BUILDING AND TRY AND WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH A, UM, A RELATIVELY, UM, INFORMAL TIMELINE.
UM, I HAVE ONE ON NEW STREET THAT'S IN THAT CA IN THAT CATEGORY AT THE MOMENT.
UM, BUT, UH, AFTER GIVING THEM A BIT OF LEEWAY, UM, IF THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING AS IN THAT CASE, UM, I HAVE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL WITH THEM.
AND SO WE GRADUALLY, UM, BECOME MORE AND MORE FORMAL, UH, THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE FIRST SAY, UH, FIVE, FIVE TO SEVEN STEPS IN THE PROCESS ARE REALLY TRYING TO, FIRST OF ALL, HELP 'EM REALIZE FIRST THEY'RE REALIZE THE ISSUES, AND SECOND IS MAYBE WAYS IN WHICH TO HELP THEM GET THROUGH IT, GIVE THEM SOME TIME TO GET THROUGH IT.
AND, UH, MANY, MANY OF THESE CASES HAPPENED THAT WAY.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THREE OF 'EM CAME OFF OF THE LIST, UM, THROUGH THAT KIND OF ACTION.
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DID IT ON THEM BY THEMSELVES.UM, AND SO, UH, NOW WE, UH, STILL HAVE THE REST OF THESE TO WORK ON.
SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN ON THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
CONCEIVABLY THERE COULD BE MONTHS OH YES.
ON IN WHICH THERE'S NO ACTIVITY ON SOME OF THESE.
UM, AND SO THE OTHER THING IS THE ACT, THANK YOU.
IF, IF IT WERE PURSUED, UM, UM, VIGILANTLY BY OUR STAFF TO MOVE THROUGH THE, MOVE THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS, IT WOULD TAKE A MINIMUM OF A YEAR TO YEAR AND A HALF.
IF THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING TO ACTUALLY TAKE THEM ALL THE WAY TO THE END WHERE THEY GET FINES AND POTENTIALLY, UH, AFTER SEVERAL YEARS OF FINES, THEN, UM, WE HAVE HAD ONE CASE WHERE, UH, THEY WERE ABOUT TO GO TO SHERIFF'S SALE.
UM, SO, UM, UH, BUT EVEN THAT ONE DIDN'T GO AT THE LAST MINUTE, THEY SOLD IT TO SOMEONE ELSE.
AND THEN, UH, SO THEY GET THE START OF THE PROCESS ALL OVER THE, THE NEW OWNER, UH, SIGNS, UH, AN AGREEMENT WITH US THAT THEY'RE, UH, GOING TO BE WORKING ON IT AND THE TIMELINE AND ALL THAT.
SO THEN, UH, UH, THAT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN PROCEEDING.
UM, AND SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A, A ONE OF OUR WORKS IN PROGRESS.
SO OUT OF ALL THESE, I WOULD SAY WE HAVE, UM, OH, LET'S SEE, WELL, ONE SOON TO BE IN, IN PROGRESS, ONE'S UNDER PROGRESS.
UH, ANOTHER ONE UNDER PROGRESS IN PROGRESS ONE WAS, UH, NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH WAS ONE OF OUR TOP PRIORITY ONES THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY SOLD.
AND NOW THE NEW OWNER IS ALREADY PROCEEDING WITH, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, TAKING CARE OF SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. SO THAT'S ALREADY A, UH, A SUCCESSFUL WORK IN PROGRESS.
UM, NUMBER NINE HAS BEEN, UH, IN PROGRESS.
SO THOSE ARE THE, THE HIGHEST PRIORITY ONES.
UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THERE AS BEING IN PROGRESS.
UH, THEN WHEN WE GO TO THE SECOND PAGE, UM, I THINK NUMBER 12 WAS JUST RECENTLY PURCHASED OR CHANGED OWNERSHIP, I THINK.
UM, UH, NUMBER FOUR, THERE'S NO NUMBERS AREN'T OURS.
CAN I JUST ASK ABOUT NUMBER TWO? BECAUSE WHEN I WAS WRONG LAST TIME, HOWEVER MANY YEARS AGO, WE PUT UP A WHOLE LIST OF PROBABLY THE SAME ISSUES THAT IT HAS RIGHT NOW.
AND SO CAN YOU GO BACK AND USE THE SAME LIST? YEAH.
SO, UM, OUR, SO WHEN I FIRST STARTED, I BUILT THIS, UH, UM, SPREADSHEET, SO SIX AND A HALF YEARS AGO, UH, AND HAD TO DIG THROUGH ALL OF THE FILES THAT WERE THE HARD COPY FILES THAT WERE AVAILABLE, UM, BOTH, UH, BY THE PREDECESSOR AND ALSO BY, UH, OR MY PREDECESSOR AS WELL AS IN THE, UM, BUILDING INSPECTIONS OFFICE.
UM, SO, UH, SOME OF THESE, UH, ENTRIES ARE RATHER OLD.
SO LIKE ON NUMBER TWO, THERE'S TWO ROWS, UM, ACTUALLY BUILT IN THERE.
AND IF YOU LOOK, WHOOPS, I DUNNO WHY THIS IS GOING SO FAST.
SO IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCREEN NUMBER TWO, UM, ACTUALLY HAS TWO ROWS.
UH, ONE THAT WAS, UH, UM, FROM 2027 AND ALSO, UH, 20 22, 20 27, 20 17 IS THE FIRST ROW.
AND THEN 2022 IS THE SECOND ROW.
SO, SO THIS ONE'S BEEN ON THE LIST FOR 10 YEARS OR NINE YEARS.
IT'S BEEN ON THERE SINCE 2011.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN RICHARD AND I WHEN STARTED THIS.
WHEN WAS IT BUILT?
SO, BUT THESE ARE THE RECORDS THAT WE HAVE ONLY GOES APPARENTLY BACK TO 2017 ON THAT ONCE OBJECT.
AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A HUGE LONG PROCESS, THE 16, 18 STEPS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, WHATEVER.
BUT I THINK THIS IS ALSO WHAT KIND OF FRUSTRATES THE PUBLIC WHEN THEY SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT, AND EVERYBODY SAYS, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS HOUSE? AND SURE.
YEARS GO BY AND IT DOESN'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY BACKBONE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BALANCE.
IT'S A BALANCE, IT'S A BALANCE BETWEEN, UM, I THINK, UH, TREATING THESE, UH, HOME PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, APPROPRIATELY, UH, AND RAKING THEM OVER THE COAL.
SO, UH, IF WE'RE WATCHING THIS, THIS BEAUTIFUL HOUSE COMPLETELY DETERIORATE YEAR BY YEAR, AND IT'S, NOTHING'S NOTHING TIME, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A, IT ON BROAD STREET.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE RESPECT OF THE
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PROPERTY OWNER AND ALL, BUT YOU GOT, THERE'S GOTTA BE A POINT WHERE YOU SAY, OKAY, IT'S BEEN SEVEN YEARS OR NINE YEARS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER, WE DON'T HAVE THE BACKBONE, WE DON'T HAVE THE, WELL, WE CAN CERTAINLY, WE DON'T HAVE THE FINDING PUT MORE PRESSURE ON THAN, THAN LET'S CONTINUE THE NEXT MONTH, OR LET'S SEND A LETTER OR SOMETHING.IT'D BE NICE IF YOU COULD SEND THE SAME LETTER TO EVERYBODY THAT WAS WOULD GET SAME ATTENTION.
BUT WE DON'T GONNA DO ANYTHING.
BUT HE, HE'S DOING THE PROCEDURES THAT HE HAS IN FRONT OF HIM TO DO.
WE, WE CAN'T KEEP UNLESS WE CHANGE THE RULES OR PROCEDURES.
WE, UM, WE HAD A, UM, A FORMER HPC MEMBER WHO WAS ADAMANT ABOUT DOING THAT AND JOINED THE, UM, AT THAT TIME IT WAS A WORK GROUP OR COMMITTEE, UH, UH, TO, UH, LOOK INTO CHANGING ALL OF THAT.
AND, UH, IT JUST, IT WAS NOT, THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES, THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS.
UM, AND ALSO, UM, AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GONNA BE THE ONLY, UM, RECOURSE AT SOME POINT AFTER YOU'VE EXHAUSTED ALL THE OTHER METHODS, WHICH THAT EXHAUSTING THOSE METHODS TAKES A WHILE, UM, TO, UH, LEVY FINES ON PEOPLE IS A WHOLE NOTHER THING.
AND, UM, THEN THAT GOES ACTUALLY INTO THE, UM, INTO OUR LEGAL OFFICE, UM, BY THAT TIME.
SO, BUT PERHAPS THE, WHEN PEOPLE REVIEW OUR UPDATES AND THEY LOOK AT THE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT SECTION, THEY COULD LET US KNOW THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO DO MORE TO SUPPORT THAT.
WHAT DO OTHER HISTORIC COMMUNITIES DO WHEN THEY SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS? I MEAN, DO THEY LET IT GO ON FOR THAT MANY YEARS? I MEAN, YES.
SO, UM, WHAT IS THEIR BEST PRACTICE? THE DEMOLITION PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT IS AUTHORIZED BY STATE STATUTE.
SO, UM, ANY MUNICIPALITY THAT HAS A A HISTORIC DISTRICT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO INCLUDE THAT IN THEIR ORDINANCES.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY ACTUALLY DO THAT.
UM, UH, WHEN I WAS WORKING IN ELIZABETH CITY, WE HAD ONE, BUT WE HAD NO, NO STAFF TO, TO ACTUALLY, THIS IS A, A LOT OF WORK, UM, TO GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF EACH.
THEY JUST HAVE ONE REALLY BAD ONE, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO DO IT EITHER.
SO, UM, IT JUST DEPENDS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PRIORITIES OF THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THE FUNERAL HOME THAT WAS JUST TORN DOWN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, I'M SORRY, IN ELIZABETH CITY? WAS THAT THE FUNERAL HOME THAT WAS JUST TORN DOWN A COUPLE DAYS AGO? OH, I DIDN'T SEE THAT.
UM, IT WAS ONE THAT WENT UP, UH, FOR SET, WENT UP FOR, UH, UM, SHERIFF'S SALE IN THE END.
SO I GUESS THIS, IT'S GOOD WE'VE CLEARED 17, BUT I GUESS IT'S THE EASIER ONES GET CLEARED QUICK.
AND SO, WELL, AND, AND OF COURSE, ONCE, YOU KNOW, MANY, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY, ONE, UH, THAT THINGS HAD GOTTEN THAT BAD OR THAT, UH, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT IN OUR CODES TO TAKE CARE AND MAINTAIN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DID LOOK UP EVERYTHING ON YOUR LIST HERE, AND A LOT OF 'EM ARE OUT OF TOWN PEOPLE AND SOMETIMES SIGNIFICANTLY OUT OF TOWN.
UM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST FACTORS WITH THIS IS THE COOPERATION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS HAS BEEN A CHRONIC THING ON AND OFF SINCE 2011.
AND THE, THE WAY THIS HAS WORKED IS THAT IT IS GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THE CITY ATTORNEY IS ABOUT TO GET INVOLVED AND THE PROPERTY OWNER SAYS, OKAY, I'LL DO SOMETHING.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS LATER WHEN THE SAME SITUATION YEAH, THEY DID FIX SOMETHING A FEW YEARS AGO.
UH, BUT I BELIEVE THIS GENTLEMAN WHO DOES NOT LIVE IN STATE ACTUALLY REFUSED REGISTERED LETTERS.
AND SO, GOING BACK YEARS, WELL, AT THE, AT THIS POINT THOUGH, I THINK THE PICTURE IS BRIGHTENING FOR THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING.
UM, THE OWNER, WELL, WE, UM, UH, MINIMUM HOUSING AND US, UH, TOURED THE HOUSE BACK IN JANUARY WITH PERMISSION OF THE TENANTS.
UH, AND SO, UH, UM, I THINK THE MINIMUM HOUSING OFFICER CONTACTED THE OWNER VIA EMAIL, UH, AND MENTIONED THAT, UM, THE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT CONCERNS WERE THERE AS WELL.
AND SO HE RE THE OWNER REACHED OUT TO ME.
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UM, AND SO I'VE BEEN PREPARING, UM, A REPORT FOR THEM.I TOOK A HUNDRED, 150 PHOTOS OF THE HOUSE, AND I'M USING THOSE TO, UM, UH, PROVIDE THE OWNER WITH THE, UH, INFORMATION THAT, ABOUT THE VARIOUS PROBLEMS ON THE HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY'RE FROM MASSACHUSETTS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THEY GET DOWN HERE, UH, TO LOOK AT THE HOUSE, INSPECT THE HOUSE.
UM, SO IF, UH, I FEEL LIKE IF I CAN PROVIDE THAT FOR THEM WITH PHOTOGRAPHS THAT, UH, MAYBE A LOT OF THOSE THINGS WILL FINALLY GET RESOLVED MORE THAN JUST THE FIVE OR 10 THINGS THAT IT USED TO BE.
WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.
UH, HOW ABOUT REPORTS AND DISCUSSIONS ON HISTORIC BRI DRYBAR OWNER SUPPORT GROUP? BEFORE YOU GO THERE, UM, MR. CHAIR, SO YOU HAVE THIS, THIS ONE FOR THE DBN TRACKING, AND I'M ASSUMING YOU HAVE A SIMILAR TRACKING FOR VIOLATIONS OR, OR PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING WITHOUT A COA OR WHATEVER.
SO YOU HAVE A SECOND SPREADSHEET, WHICH YOU'RE WORKING ON TO TRY TO RESOLVE THOSE KIND OF VIOLATIONS.
NO, WE DON'T HAVE A SPREADSHEET YET FOR THAT.
WE BA BASICALLY JUST HAVE THE LIST THAT'S ON YOUR, UM, AGENDA.
BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU IN YOUR FILES, YOU HAVE, WHEN IT STARTED, WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON ALL ALONG.
AND, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE ARE A PROCESS STEPS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THAT AS WELL.
THERE'S 12 ON HERE AND 12 NOT YET LISTED.
'CAUSE THE, WITH A STAFF AGENDA GETS TOO LONG.
STAFF OF WHAT, WHAT'S THAT? A STAFF OF ONE? YES.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE NUT OF THE PROBLEM.
SO HISTORIC DRIVER OWNER SUPPORT GROUP.
UM, TIM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? WE, UH, LET'S, I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.
UH, I THINK THE NEXT THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, AND THIS, THIS GOES, YOU KNOW, VERY SLOWLY, IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE GAME IS WE'RE TRYING TO MEET WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AND, UH, THE, UM, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION HAS GONE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL CHANGES IN PERSONNEL AND CHAIR AND SO FORTH.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME TRACTION ON THAT AND FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN GET SOME THINGS, UH, DONE THROUGH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT, MATT, ANYTHING TO ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? UM, YEAH, OTHER THAN THAT, THERE WE ARE, UH, CONSTANTLY WORKING, UH, TO PREPARE AND RESEARCH, RESEARCH AND PREPARE, I GUESS IN THAT ORDER.
UM, PLAQUES FOR SOME OF THE HOUSES AND, UH, STRUCTURES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, UH, WE'VE ALSO PASSED ON THE TEMPLATE TO THE, UH, HISTORIC DRIVER ROW ASSOCIATION, UH, IN CASE THEY DECIDE TO TAKE THAT BALL AND RUN WITH IT.
HAVE THEY DONE ANY MORE SHADOW BOXES? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO YET.
UM, THE RESEARCH CAN TAKE, UH, SOME TIME, UH, ESPECIALLY IF YOU WANT TO BE, UM, ACCURATE AND THOROUGH.
SO, UM, AND WHEN I WAS ON, THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF PUBLIC INTEREST, EVEN THOUGH THEY SAID LATER ON I MIGHT DO IT.
I THINK THERE'S ABOUT THREE LINED UP THAT ARE, UM, UH, PREPARING THAT THEY'RE PREPARING.
THEY, OR WE, WE WITH THEM WE'RE PARTNERS.
SO, UM, WE TOGETHER ARE WORKING ON, UM, 'CAUSE THEY DID GET A NICE GRANT FROM THE BAIT FOUNDATION.
AND THE IDEA BEHIND THOSE PLAQUES IS TO, UM, RAISE, UH, AWARENESS OF THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS A NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT OVER THERE.
IT'S JUST NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, JUST LIKE ENT AND, UH, DEGRA AND REED PARK ARE NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT OUR NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
NEXT ITEM IS REPORT ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION AWARDS PROGRAM.
COMMISSIONER WIKA PUT OUT, SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HIM.
UM, I HANDED OUT THE, THE LATEST DRAFT OF THE PRESERVATION AWARD PROGRAM.
IF YOU RECALL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ASKED DURING THE SURVEY LAST YEAR WAS IF PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT HAVING AN AWARD PROGRAM WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HPC.
AND AS YOU RECALL, THE, THE ANSWER WAS YES.
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I'M PUTTING OUT THIS GRAPH AGAIN, IF YOU GUYS CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY A, A NOMIN, AN ANNUAL AWARD.
NOMINATIONS WOULD BE IN THE FALL.
AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE ALL THE SUBMISSIONS AND DECIDE, UM, WINNERS, IF YOU WILL, AWARD WINNERS IN BOTH THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE NON-RESIDENTIAL CATEGORIES.
A LOT OF, A LOT OF COMMUNITIES HAVE A, HAVE A VERY SIMILAR PROGRAM.
UM, HENDERSONVILLE, FAYETTEVILLE, UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
THERE, THERE, THERE'S A BUNCH THAT HAVE A VERY SIMILAR HPC PRESERVATION AWARD.
SO IF YOU GUYS CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT, UM, AND, AND IF IT LOOKS GOOD THAT AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, WE'D HAVE TO VOTE ON IT AND, AND MAKE IT OFFICIAL AND, AND THEN WE COULD ROLL IT OUT THIS FALL, WHICH WOULD BE AWESOME.
AND IF, IF YOU TOOK THE HISTORIC HOMES TOUR, UH, HISTORICAL SOCIETY, THERE'S LOTS OF HOMES HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE NOMINATED.
SO IT'S, IT'S, AND WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, BUT, UM, WE'RE ALLOWING SELF NOMINATIONS.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SUBMIT ON BEHALF OF YOUR OWN PROJECT.
I HAVEN'T READ IT YET, BUT IT'S, HOW IS, WHAT'S THE, UM, MARKETING TO GET IT OUT TO, TO FOR THE ATIONS? WELL, WE, WE'LL, IT'S GONNA BE THROUGH THE CITY.
AND, AND, AND SO, UM, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND DIRECTOR WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE CITY CLERK AND GET IT OUT ON THE WEBSITE AND YEAH.
AND MAKE SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT IT.
AND MAYBE PUT IT ON, WHAT'S IT CALLED? THE WATCH TOWER CLOCK.
THAT'S WHAT THAT ON AS WELL, A CLOCK SHOP RIGHT NOW.
SO
AND THEN WHEN THE, THEN WHEN THE AWARD WINNERS COME OUT, THEN WE SHOULD MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT OUT THERE, WHO THE WINNERS ARE, PHOTOS STUFF, DID THEY GET SIGN IN THEIR YARD, LIKE YARD OF MONTH TYPE OF THING, MAYBE.
SO MATT, IF YOU CONSIDER PUTTING THAT ON THE NEXT TIME WE HAVE A REGULAR MEETING, PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S READY TO GO.
IF IT EVER TAKES A LOOK AT IT, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, JUST LET ME KNOW AND WE CAN, WE, WE CAN MAKE IT.
AND THEN MATT, IF YOU COVER ANY UPCOMING TRAINING, WE DID HAVE THE BUILDING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS LAST WEEK.
ANYTHING ELSE UPCOMING? OH, UM, YES.
DID YOU ATTEND? OH, THAT WAS THE ONE.
YEAH, NO, I, I'VE WATCHED THAT.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY PERTINENT TO US.
'CAUSE IT'S ABOUT CONTROLLING CARBON AND OTHER ENERGY USES AND REALLY TALKED ABOUT HISTORIC BUILDINGS NOT BEING, UM, EXEMPTED.
BECAUSE IF YOU EXEMPT THEM, THEN THEY FALL BEHIND THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
BUT THEY'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A REVENUE STREAM RELATED TO THE USE OF THAT BUILDING.
THEY HAVE A, AN EXCEPTION FOR FINANCIAL HARDSHIP, BUT WHAT THAT LITERALLY MEANS IS PROPERTIES IN FORECLOSURE.
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AND SO, UM, THIS WAS REALLY A, A SURVEY OF 15 OR SO DIFFERENT, UM, CITIES ESSENTIALLY THAT THERE'S ONLY LIKE 15 STATES THAT EVEN HAVE IT.BUT NOT ANYTHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.
BUT, UM, THEY ALSO PUSHED FOR SWITCHING FROM GAS TO HEAT PUMPS.
ANYTHING ELSE? MATT, DO YOU WANT TO GO DOWN YOUR LIST THERE? ANY REPORTS ON ANY OF THOSE? UM, LET'S SEE.
THE ONES, I THINK ON THE SECOND PAGE, I GUESS I COULD PROBABLY GO BACK TO THAT.
SO ON THE SECOND PAGE HERE, THEY'RE NOT ON THERE.
SO, UM, WE HAVE SOME, HAD SOME, UH, UH, NEW REPORTS FOR A COUPLE OF PROJECTS.
UH, THE FIVE 12 METCALF STREET PROJECT WAS, UH, A NEW PLACE, THAT NEW PLACE STRUCTURE, AND IT WAS APPROVED.
SO WE'LL PROBABLY WE'LL BE REMOVING THAT FROM THE LIST.
UH, SIX 14 NEW STREET, UM, IS ONE THAT, UH, IS ALSO ON THE DEMOLITION BY PREVENTION, DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, UH, CHART.
DOES, DOES THAT MEAN THE BEAM IS, IS YES.
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THAT IT'S FALLING APART? RIGHT.SO RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE, UH, POST WHERE THE BEAM IS BEARING ON THE POST, UM, IT'S APPARENTLY GOTTEN SOFT ENOUGH THAT THE WEIGHT FROM THE PORCH, IT'S JUST THE PORCH ROOF, BUT STILL, UM, IT'S NOW REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE BEAM TO ABOUT HALF
SO, UM, THAT'S, UH, ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE, UH, HANDLING NOW WITH THE OWNER.
UH, THEN ON 7 0 9 BROAD STREET, UH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT JUST GOT SOLD.
THE ONE THAT HAD THE AUCTION SIGN OUT THERE AND WAS JUST SOLD, UH, THE NEW OWNER, UM, WE ISSUED A REPLACEMENT IN KIND FOR THE SIDE PORCH FLOOR YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT'S, UH, ALREADY STARTED THAT, THAT, UH, REPAIR THERE.
AND THEN, UH, REROOFING APPLICATION JUST CAME IN, UM, YESTERDAY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN THE EXCHANGES BETWEEN MATT AND THE OWNER AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY INTENT ON, WHICH IS GREAT FIXING THAT UP.
DO WE KNOW THE INTENT OF USE YET, OR NO? UM, UH, LAST I HEARD WHEN HE HAD A MEETING WITH, UH, UH, THE BUIL CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR AND I, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
'CAUSE HE WAS PURSUING FOUR APARTMENTS, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS.
ANYTHING ALONG EIGHT 11 P*****K.
SO NO, NOTHING SPECIFICALLY YET.
HOWEVER, UM, UM, AT THE MEETING YESTERDAY, UM, THE PREVENTION DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, UH, DISCUSSION GROUP INCLUDED, UH, MR. BARNES FROM THE, UH, UH, NEWBURN PRESERVATION FOUNDATION.
UM, HE SAID THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN TRYING TO HELP THE OWNER GET THROUGH THIS, UM, SITUATION BY ALSO PERHAPS HELPING THE, UH, CONTRACTOR WHO IS THE, UH, UH, BAPTIST ON MISSION GROUP.
SO, UM, I GAVE THEM THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THEM OR FOR THAT PERSON THAT'S HANDLING THE PROJECT.
AND THEN, UH, I SUPPOSE THEY'LL BE TALKING TO THEM SOON.
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ANYTHING ELSE? ANYONE HAVE ANY NO, THAT SOUNDS, THAT'S, YEAH.THERE ARE NO, UH, APPLICATIONS PLANNED FOR THE MEETING JUNE 17TH.
THEREFORE, IN SHORT OF SOMEONE HAVING A REASON TO HAVE A MEETING, I, I SUGGEST WE CANCEL THE JUNE 17TH REGULAR MEETING.
WOULD, WOULD WE WANT TO HAVE, UH, IN, IN PLACE OF THAT A ANOTHER SPECIAL WORK SESSION TO GO OVER THE STANDARDS, THE DRAFT THAT WE'RE GONNA FINISH? YEAH.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE, THAT CAN BE RELEASED WHETHER OR NOT WITHOUT MEETING.
BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, WE NEED TO HASH OUT SOME OF THIS STUFF THAT, YOU KNOW, TO GET TO, TO GET TO THE RELEASABLE DRAFT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WHAT'S IN THERE, IT'S PERFECT, BUT COULD WE HAVE IT AT A MEETING INSTEAD OF A SORT OF THIS FORMAT? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
HAVE A HAVE A SPECIAL WORK SESSION.
I'D SUGGEST WE JUST KEEP THE MEETING AND DO ANYTHING LINGERING ON THAT BEFORE IT GETS RELEASED IN TWO WEEKS.
IF YOU COULD JUST, WE VERY RARELY HAVE THE LUXURY OF NOT HAVING CASES.
SO SINCE WE HAVE THE TIME AND PRETTY MUCH CLEAR SCHEDULES, I THINK, I THINK WE SHORTED UP THEN.
AND THEN, BUT THE INTENT IS NOT TO WAIT FOR THAT MEETING TO PUT OUT SOMETHING.
BUT, BUT WE'VE STILL GOT, WE'VE STILL GOT SOME LOOSE ENDS.
UH, IT'LL, IT'LL BE I THINK THAT LONG.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING THAT WE COULD DO IF, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TWO WEEKS, CERTAINLY GRIND ON THE, UH, STANDARDS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UH, ANOTHER THING THAT, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE US TRY TO DO IS GET SOME FOLKS, UM, A LITTLE MORE ENGAGED IN TRYING TO MAKE MOTIONS FOR THINGS.
UH, I THINK WE'VE, I THINK WE'VE SIMPLIFIED IT A LITTLE BIT IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT THE LIST OF APPLICABLE STANDARDS AS DOCUMENTED IN STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A FEW CHANGES TO THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM READING THE ENTIRE LIST.
BUT, UH, IT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE TO GO THROUGH SOME OF, SOME OF THAT TO GET EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH MAKING MOTIONS SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST TWO PEOPLE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE AFRAID.
IT, IT, IT CAN'T BE DAUNTING TO, TO MAKE A MOTION AND YOU TRY TO TRY TO WEAVE IN A FEW CHANGES HERE AND THERE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT
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EASIER AND MORE EFFICIENT AS FAR AS HOW WE DO IT.WELL LET'S LEAVE THE MEETING STAND AND IF SOMETHING OCCURS IN BETWEEN, I BELIEVE I CAN CANCEL RIGHT UP TO THE END.
SO PERHAPS, UH, IF WE DO IN THE MEETING, WE CAN APPROVE THE PRESERVATION AWARDS.
THAT'D BE A GOOD AGENDA TO DO THAT.
SO WE'LL STILL HAVE A MEETING JUNE 17TH AND, UH, CURRENTLY THE ONLY ITEM WOULD BE FOLLOW UP ON SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS AND SECONDLY, THE PRESERVATION AWARDS PROGRAM.
AND WHATEVER ELSE MIGHT COME OFF ASA.
ANY BUSINESS FROM THE COMMISSIONER AWARD FROM THE CITY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO PUBLIC COMMENT AND ALL THE USUAL VARIOUS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT PROJECT RELATED.
WE WOULD STILL LEAVE THOSE IN THE AGENDA.
WITH THAT, IS THERE MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO YES.
WHO DID IT SECOND OPPOSED IN FAVOR? A AYE.