* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] HEY, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE [1.Call to Order and Welcome.] ORDER, UH, THE DATE JUNE 10TH, 2026. THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, AGAIN, IS NOT CALLED THE ORDER. UH, CAN WE BEGIN WITH A ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER DOVE PRESIDENT. COMMISSIONER PROCTOR. COMMISSIONER MORGAN HERE. COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND. HERE. COMMISSIONER SIMMONS. COMMISSIONER STEWART. HERE. CHAIR WA CO-CHAIR WALLACE. HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. WE HAVE A QUORUM. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE'RE GOING [3.Mission Statement and Guiding Principles] TO BEGIN BY. NEXT STEP IS WE'RE GONNA REVIEW OUR MISSION STATEMENT AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF EACH COMMISSIONER WOULD TAKE ONE. JUST GO DOWN TO DESCENDING ORDER. PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE EQUALITY, TIME, RESPECT OTHERS OPINIONS. LISTEN TO BILL CONSENSUS, SHARE ACCURATE INFORMATION, PUBLIC PERCEPTION. STAY FOCUSED. BE ACTION ORIENTED. COURTESY IN OATH. BELIEVE. ALRIGHT. OKAY. NEXT ITEM. UH, [4.Consider Approving the Agenda. ] DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVING THE AGENDA HAS, HAS ALL REVIEWED IT PRIOR TO IT WAS SENT TO YOU IF YOU HAVE REVIEWED IT. UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? TO MOTION? YEAH. I MOVE A MOTION THAT WE, OH, WE DO HAVE TO HOLD. BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE HAVE TO, UH, THERE'S AN ITEM WE NEED TO ADDRESS AND THAT IS GOING TO BE NUMBER SEVEN. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. UM, A MB. UH, I ASK THAT WE REMOVE THAT FROM THE AGENDA. UH, TABLE THAT, UM, UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, COUNSEL TO THE REQUEST IS TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THE DISCUSSION REGARDING 1213 MECHANIC STREET TO THE JULY REGULAR MEETING. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. MR. CHAIR, YOU CAN, UM, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. CONTINUING ITEM NUMBER SEVEN TO THE JULY MEETING. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TABLE ITEM SEVEN A AND B INTO THE JULY MEETING AND MOVE FORWARD A MOTION. MOVE FORWARD WITH A MEETING. EXCUSE ME, I SECOND YOU A VOICE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WAS DID YOU GET THE AGENDA APPROVAL IN THERE THAT YOU NEEDED? NO, WE, YOU GO A SEPARATE MOTION. OKAY. OKAY. SO, UM, MR. STEWART HAS MOVED TO CONTINUE. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, UH, MR. CHAIR OR CO-CHAIR, YOU MIGHT NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED. OH, OKAY. OKAY. KEN, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED AGENDA? I THINK THAT'S PROPERLY QUOTED. SO MOVED. ALRIGHT, NOW WE SECOND. ALRIGHT, IT'S BEEN PROBABLY SECOND. ALL THE FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. SO HAVE IT. THEY WILL MOVE THROUGH THE RECORD. ALRIGHT. DO I [5.Consider Approval of Minutes] HAVE, UH, UH, THE, UH, MINUTES WERE SENT TO YOU? UM, EARLIER, I THINK WE'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO PERUSE. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MAY 13TH. 20, 26 MINUTES SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED TO PROPERLY. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. SO HAVE IT. WE MOVE TO THE RECORD. WE MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ALRIGHT, THAT'S IT. LOOK LIKE WE DO. SO WE'RE MOVING ON [8.Discussion regarding request for property purchases by Mr. Ed McGovern] TO NUMBER EIGHT. ALRIGHT. AND THIS IS THE DISCUSSION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR PROPERTY PURCHASED BY MR. ED MCGOVERN. AND YOUR PACKET AND PHOTOS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED FOR YOU. CHAIR. THE, UH, PHOTOS THAT YOU HAVE ARE PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY OF THE, UM, MR. MCGOVERN'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND GIVE YOU ALL, UH, UM, PHOTOS OF WEDDING PLANS ON THAT PROPERTY. SO HE HAS, HE HAS PHOTOS TO SUBMIT. MR. MCGOVERN? YES. OKAY. PLEASE. AND SIR, IF YOU WOULD JUST PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. ED EDMOND MCGOVERN III. AND I GO BY TREY. [00:05:38] SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE UNITS THAT, UH, MY FATHER IS SEEKING TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTIES THAT HE IS INTENDING TO PURCHASE FROM THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. AND WE ALSO HAVE THE INTERIOR FLOOR PLAN, I THINK IS THE OTHER ONE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR YOU GUYS. AND THESE ARE GONNA BE ONE BEDROOM UNITS. UH, I, I THINK THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE IS A HOLE IN THE MARKET FOR AFFORDABLE ONE, ONE BEDROOM HOUSES TO BE AVAILABLE FOR RENT. AND SO THE INTENT IS TO BUILD THESE UNITS ON PROPERTY THAT HE ALREADY OWNS AND WHAT HE INTENDS TO PURCHASE FROM THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. OKAY. AND, AND YOU SAID THESE ARE ONE BEDROOMS? THAT'S CORRECT. WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THEM? UH, THERE'S, HERE IT IS, HERE, IT'S RIGHT APPROXIMATELY 336 SQUARE FEET. AND THAT, THAT DIAGRAM GIVES A BETTER INDICATION OF THE LAYOUT. AND TO BE CLEAR, WHAT WAS THE PROPERTY? IS IT THE, THE 6 0 6 OR IS IT THE, WAS IT ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT THEY WERE GONNA BUILD? THIS ONE, I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO, TWO PROPERTIES. IS THAT IT'S 6 0 6. IT, THERE ACTUALLY WAS TWO OF 'EM. ONE THAT THE CITY COUNTY OWNED THAT WAS ON THE BACKSIDE, BUT THAT ONE IS ALREADY SOLD. THIS IS THE ONE THAT YOU ALL OWN, THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION OWNS THIS, THIS THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS THAT I SHOWED, AND WE CAN GO BACK TO THOSE THAT I TAKE THAT ON. OKAY. OKAY. SO MR. STEWART, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, GIS MAP THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET, THE LOT THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS REQUEST IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON WHITE STREET. THE PARCEL THAT I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERENCING THAT MR. WILLIAMS HAS INDICATED WITH CITY COUNTY OWNED IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE YELLOW SQUARE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE. SO, UM, I THINK STATEWAY REALTY ALREADY HAS OWNERSHIP OF THE PARCEL IMMEDIATELY BEHIND IT, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING THE, THE PARCEL PRINTING ON THE STREET FROM THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. OH, OKAY. AND THE DIMENSIONS OF THE PARCEL THAT'S AT THE SUBJECT OF THIS REQUEST IS APPROXIMATELY 43 FEET BY 52 FEET. ALRIGHT. AND ARE, ARE YOU GUYS AWARE OF THE RESTRICTIONS AND TIMELINES THAT ARE, ARE, ARE BEING ASKED IN, INTO BUILDING THOSE PROPERTIES? I BELIEVE SO, YES. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT? NO. AND FORESEE ANY? NOPE. I THINK THESE, AS SOON AS HE ACQUIRES THE PROPERTIES, HE IS INTENDING TO BUILD THEM OUT AS FAST AS HE CAN GET THEM UP. OKAY. AND I THINK YOUR DIAGRAM ALREADY SAYS THIS, BUT I WANNA VERBALLY SAY AGAIN, THE FRONT DOOR IS FACING THE ROAD, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. YEP. THERE WILL BE A FRONT PORCH, UH, ON THAT, THAT FRONT SIDE THERE. AND IT WILL, ON THE OTHER DIAGRAM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'LL, IT'LL BE STREET FACING. YEAH. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COVENANTS THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED ON THIS PROPERTY? NO. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE USUALLY DO. THE NORMAL THAT WE AND THE NORMAL AND THE USUAL TIME TIMELINE START BUILDING IN ONE YEAR BY, BY YEAR ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT. I'M SORRY. YES. YES, YES, YES. OKAY. IF YOU ALL LOOK AT THE OFFICE OF PURCHASE AND CONTRACT DOCUMENT THAT'S BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE, UM, THERE IS, ON THE FRONT PAGE YOU'LL SEE A, SOME LANGUAGE AT THE BOTTOM SUBJECT TO A COVENANTS AND REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN EXHIBIT A. THERE'S SOME INITIALS THERE. UM, EM YEAH. AND THEN THE ATTACHED EXHIBIT A INDICATES THAT CONSTRUCTION OF A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING SHALL BEGIN WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF CLOSING. HERE IT IS. OKAY. UM, IN THE EVENT THE 12 MONTHS IS NOT SATISFIED, TITLE AUTOMATICALLY RESPECT TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION UNLESS WE AGREE TO A LATER DATE IN WRITING. ANY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT NOT OCCUPIED BY THE OWNER MUST BE RENTED OR SOLD TO PERSONS OF LOW TO MODERATE INCOME. AND THERE ARE NO JUNK VEHICLES THAT ARE ALLOWED TO BE, [00:10:01] UM, HOUSED OR STORED ON THAT PROPERTY. SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, THE HOTEL WALKER, THE GENTLEMAN, THE, UH, ALREADY HAVE, SO ONE THING YOU MAY WANT MR. UM, PRESIDING OFFICER TO CLARIFY FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, UM, IS WHETHER THESE TWO LOTS THAT ARE STACKED TO TOGETHER, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE COMBINED INTO ONE RESIDENTIAL UNIT OR FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR ONE RESIDENTIAL UNIT, OR THEY'RE GONNA BE TWO HOUSES THAT BECOME THAT BUFFER, YOU MIGHT WANNA CLARIFY THAT THERE WILL BE TWO, WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP THEM SEPARATE AND BUILD TWO UNITS FOR SURE. OKAY. FACING WOULD IT BE BACK DOOR TO BACK DOOR? YES. OKAY. THERE'S TWO HOUSES ON TWO HOUSES AND THAT'S, THAT'S JULIA CLAY STREET WOULD BE THE FRONT DOOR OF ONE HOUSE AND WHITE STREET WILL BE THE FRONT DOOR OF THE OTHER. CORRECT. GOOD QUESTIONS. UH, ANY FROM MY COMMISSIONERS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU MEAN THE ONLY POINT I'LL MENTION IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IS WE KIND OF PAUSED ON OTHERS SIMPLY TO INVENTORY AND GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER AND GET OUR PROCESSES IN ORDER. I MEAN, THIS APPEARS TO BE IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE HISTORICALLY, BUT I KNOW WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT PAUSING WHILE WE GOT OUR DUCKS IN THE ROAD. BUT IF EVERYONE'S COMFORTABLE WITH IT, OUR DUCKS ARE IN THE ROAD, THEN YEAH. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, MR. MCGOVERN'S WORK AS IT RELATES TO CON CONSTRUCTION AND TIMELINESS. AND, UM, HE'S NOT A STRANGER OKAY. TO NEW BERN, NOR IS HE A STRANGER TO, UH, NOT ONLY REHABBING BUILDINGS, BUT CON CONSTRUCTION NEW, UH, BUILDINGS. SO I FEEL VERY, UH, COMFORTABLE AND JUST GLAD TO HAVE, UH, GLAD TO KNOW THAT HE'S STILL INTERESTED IN HELPING US IN OUR, UM, EFFORTS TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SOME OF THESE AREAS. MM-HMM. MR. STEWART? NO, I, I, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WHAT STEVE'S SAYING, BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS IN LINE WITH WHERE, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO. I THINK, UH, PERHAPS WE CONTINUE TO WORK, UH, THROUGH, UH, IDENTIFYING THE PARCELS, UM, THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO SELL AND, AND WHAT THE, THE USAGES OF THOSE LOOK LIKE. BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE IN ORDER WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. AND, UH, I'LL BE EXCITED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE HOMES GO UP. SO I I I THINK IT SHOULD BE FINE. IT'S RIGHT IN LINE WITH OUR, UH, OUR CHARGE, RIGHT. AND OUR MISSION, WHAT WE WERE CREATED FOR. UM, AND THEN THEY GET TWO, CORRECT, TWO SHOVELS IN THE GROUND. HE ALREADY OWNS A FEW OF HIS, OF HIS PROPERTIES THAT HE IDENTIFIED THAT HE CAN SUBDIVIDE OFF TO CONTINUE TO USE THIS TEMPLATE ON THOSE PROPERTIES AS WELL. SO NOT ONLY IS HE WORKING THROUGH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AND THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE OWNED BY BY THAT ENTITY, HE'S ALSO PUTTING THESE ON HIS OWN PERSONAL LOTS THAT HE ALREADY HAS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO WORK WITHIN THE SETBACKS THAT THE, THE ZONING REQUIRES. OKAY. AND THIS FALLS RIGHT IN LINE WITH OUR ORIGINAL CHARGE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT STEVE'S SAYING, UH, UH, REGARDING POTENTIAL CHANGES IN WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING LAST MEETING. BUT THIS IS RIGHT IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS. SURE. UM, MR. CHAIR, JUST, JUST IN THE SPIRIT OF MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE COVERING ALL YOUR BASES, YOUR REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION OVERLAY IN THE LAND USE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR SOME SMALLER DIMENSIONAL, UM, REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS REDUCED, UM, ONSITE PARKING FOR RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA. I DID NOT SEE, UM, ANY PARKING OUTLINED ON THE, THE SKETCHES THAT WE RECEIVED TODAY. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO INQUIRE ABOUT THAT. OKAY. I, TO BE TRUTHFUL, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION RIGHT THIS SECOND. UM, I'M SURE HE'S HAS A PLAN SUFFICIENT TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. UH, I'M JUST, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT UNFORTUNATELY AT THIS TIME. OKAY. BUT YOU WOULD, BUT ISN'T THAT COVERED ON THE ZONING AND OH, THAT, ISN'T THERE STIPULATIONS IN REGARDS TO THAT? THE PARKING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH PARKING FOR THE SIZE DOOR. CORRECT. GOTTA HAVE ONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ONE OFF STREET PARKING. THERE IT IS. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH, HE WILL HAVE, HE WILL HAVE THAT IN PLACE FOR SURE. OKAY. YEAH, WHAT I WAS SEE, WHAT I WAS KIND OF SQUINTING AT WAS WHERE I'D TAKEN PICTURES WHENEVER THE, THE, THE HANDOUTS WERE UP THERE, JUST MAKING SURE I WAS DOING THE MAP. I MEAN, IT, IT, IF THIS IS TO SCALE, I MEAN IT WAS LIKE HE'S TRYING TO GO 14, 15 FEET WIDE ON THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE AND THEN THE LOT ITSELF IS 43. YEP. WHY? IT'S SO, I MEAN, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME KIND OF ROOM ON EITHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD WORK, BUT GLAD TO KNOW IT WAS GOING DOWN THE RIGHT PATH THERE. MS SIDE STEP BACK IS FIVE FEET. CORRECT. AND THE HOUSE WIDTH IS BETWEEN 12 AND 14 FEET AND 24 FEET DEEP. OKAY. OKAY. AND THE REQUIREMENT SAYS IT'S A SINGLE BEDROOM HOME IS ONE CAR. RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE TWO CAR ONE. JUST ONE. ONE. OKAY. SO NOW BEST KNOWLEDGE, WOULD THAT FIT STEVE, KURT THEN? I MEAN, IF YOU USE [00:15:01] THE WHOLE ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, YOU COULD PROBABLY PUT TWO CARS. OKAY. SO SPACE TO DO THAT. ALRIGHT. SO HAVE COVERED OUR BASES. YEAH, I THINK SO. COUNSEL, AS LONG AS YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING THE SETBACK AS YOU'RE WELL, HE AGREED TO ABIDE BY ALL OF THAT. I MEAN HE, IT'S, IT'S A LAW, SO YEAH, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S WHY I'M JUST MAKING SURE HE KNOWS THAT'S COMING. SO I KNOW THIS DOESN'T MATTER. I WHAT, CAN YOU PUT THAT PICTURE BACK UP? WHAT'S THE CLOSET SPACE IN THE HOUSE? WHAT'S THE, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CLOSET SPACE? THEIR CLOTH IS GONNA BE RIGHT HERE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S 36, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU SAY. 36. 36. AND THERE'S A LAUNDRY CLOTH ON THE YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ONE, MR. STEWART? COMMISSIONER STEWART? NO, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER ADOPTING, UH, THE CELL FOR 6 0 6, UH, WHITE STREET, UH, TO MR. ED MCGOVERN VIA, OH, EXCUSE ME. YEAH. TO INITIATE THE UPSET BID. I'M SORRY, EXCUSE ME. INITIATE THE UPSET BID, EXCUSE ME. OKAY. FOR 6 0 6, UH, WHITE STREET. UH, I'LL SECOND. ALRIGHT, JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY WITH ALL OF OUR STANDARD AND USUAL CUSTOMARY RESTRICTIONS THAT WE PUT ON IT AS FAR AS THE TIMEFRAME, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. IT'S IN THE, HE ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I JUST WANTED, I WANTED TO HAVE THAT CLEAR FOR THE RECORD. JUST ME, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. CONSTRUCTION. WE'LL START WITHIN THE ONE YEAR AND COMPLETION WILL HAPPEN. WELL PRIOR TO THE TWO YEAR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS HAS BEEN MOVING PROPERLY? SECOND, UH, TO APPROVE, TO INITIATE THE UPSET BID, UH, RESOLUTION. UH, WE'LL BEGIN WITH A ROLL CALL. MR. WILLIAMS. COMMISSIONER DOVE? YES. COMMISSIONER MORGAN? YES. COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND? YES. COMMISSIONER STEWART? YES. CO-CHAIR WALLACE? YES. WELL, IT'S UNANIMOUS . IT'S UNANIMOUS. WELL, MY ONLY STATEMENT TRAY WOULD JUST BE HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE CONTINUE TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS BOARD, UH, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY THAT, UH, AS YOU GUYS ARE WELL AWARE OF, UH, AND WE'RE HOPING WITH YOU GUYS DOING THIS, THAT POTENTIALLY THERE CAN BE SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. WE HAVE OUR SITE SET ON A FEW PROPERTIES AT THIS POINT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OVERLAY INTO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, HE'S ON A TRACK TO, HE HAS A GOAL IN MIND THAT HE WANTS TO HIT. SO, UM, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GONNA BE JUST A ONE AND DONE DEAL. COOL. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL BE IN TOUCH. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD EVENING. ALRIGHT, TAKE YOU. ALL RIGHT ON ITEM NINE, WHICH, SORRY, THANK FOR YOUR, OKAY. ON THE NUMBER NINE [9.a. Nominate a New Board Chair ] IS NEW BUSINESS. UM, A IT'S TIME TO NOMINATE A NEW BOARD CHAIR. WE CAN START THOSE WITH A, A VOICE VOTE WHERE WE NEED NOMINATION. WILL THERE BE ANY NOMINATION? I MEAN, I, I'LL ASK THE QUESTION THOUGH. WE, WE MENTIONED PAUSING BEFORE WITH MS. PROCTOR NOT BEING HERE, AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THAT DECLINED WHENEVER THE, THE CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE THEN. UM, IS ANYONE WHOSE NAME CAME UP DURING THAT, CHANGING THEIR ANSWER NOW THAT THEY'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO, TO PONDER THE, THE OFFER OR WE KIND OF STILL AT A STANDSTILL ON THINGS? MY, MY POSITION IS STILL THE SAME FOR THE OFFER THAT WAS MADE TO ME, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYONE ELSE THAT WAS THAT WAS MENTIONED MAY BE. WELL, I'LL SAY THAT BASED ON THE MEETING ON YESTERDAY AND HAVING SOME CLARIFICATION, UH, I DON'T MIND TAKING THAT ROLE IF NOMINATED. LIKEWISE. LIKE, LIKEWISE FOR LIKEWISE, UH, FOR EITHER ONE. THE ROLES CHAIR POSITION OR, UH, WELL, VICE VICE CHAIR, PREFERABLY . ALRIGHT. AMM ALLOWING FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, BUT I'VE GOT A THOUGHT BASED ON WHAT I YOU CAN, YOU CAN, THIS IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED, RIGHT? YEAH. UH, COUNSEL. OKAY. YEAH, I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANNA BE THE ONLY ONE WOULD TO ASK A QUESTION AND MAKE, MAKE A MOTION, BUT I'VE GOT A THOUGHT IN MIND BASED ON WHAT I JUST HEARD. SO I'LL, I'LL LET EVERYONE ELSE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY BEFORE I MAKE THAT MOTION. COMMISSION. MOORE, I HAVE NO COMMENT AT THIS TIME, COMMISSIONER. WELL, I, LAST WEEK I, LAST TIME I WAS NOMINATING YOU. I WAS GOING TO, BUT YOU JUST SAID IT CHANGES NOW. I MEAN, I'VE SEEN YOU WORK BEFORE. MY CONFIDENCE IS IN YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY? I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE [00:20:01] A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT I WAS CURTIS UH, DURING OUR MEETING YESTERDAY, A LOT OF Y'ALL WEREN'T THERE DURING OUR MEETING YESTERDAY, BUT I YEAH, Y'ALL WERE, EVERYBODY WAS HERE. , UH, YEAH, I WASN'T HERE. UM, BUT UH, DURING THAT MEETING A LOT WAS SET FORTH. UM, AND I THINK EITHER WHETHER THE CHAIR, THE GO CHAIR VICE SURE DOESN'T MATTER. UM, BUT, UH, I KNOW THERE'S ONE INDIVIDUAL HERE. MR. STEWART IS ACTUALLY IN NEW BERN. I WORK IN WAYNE COUNTY. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, EITHER OR IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE'LL WORK AS A TEAM IF WE'RE THE TWO. NO MAN, MR. STEWART. UM, NO. AGAIN, I, I'VE KIND OF BEEN PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. I THINK THE LAST MEETING, NOT HAVING CLARIFICATION ON WHERE WE WERE GOING AND, AND HAVING SOME CLEAR DIRECTION, UH, AND KIND OF BEING PING PONG AROUND, I WASN'T NECESSARILY, UH, INTERESTED AT THE MOMENT. HOWEVER, JUST THROUGH DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS, UNDERSTANDING AND HAVING A CLEAR, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE'RE KIND OF GOING. UM, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY HAVING SOME CONVERSATION WITH YOU GUYS THEN, UH, I I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT NOMINATED, SO IF NOT, I'LL CONTINUE TO, TO TRY TO. SO MR. VICE CHAIR, BEFORE YOU ALL PROCEED, I JUST WANT TO BE MENTION AGAIN THAT THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IN ANY OTHER PUBLIC BODY IS TO RUN THE MEETING. OKAY? OKAY. BEING ABLE TO FACILITATE THE MEETING, MAKE SURE ALL THE VOICES ARE HEARD, UM, REPEAT MOTIONS, CALL FOR VOTES, THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE CHAIR. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY IN YOUR MIND, I WANT YOU TO THINK THAT YOU ARE THE AMBASSADOR FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO THE WORLD. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT YOU CAN ATTEND MEETINGS REGULARLY AND FACILITATE THE DIALOGUES OF THE PUBLIC BODY. OKAY, I CAN DO THAT. SO, JUST ONE QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL. DO YOU ENVISION A NOMINATION OF A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR, OR DO YOU WANT NAMES THROWN OUT AND THEN VOTES, OR HOW DOES, WHAT DO YOU WANT PROCESS-WISE? SO THE ON YOUR AGENDA IS TO NOMINATE A NEW BOARD CHAIR. OKAY. THERE IS NO CONTEMPLATION OF NEEDING TO NOMINATE A NEW VICE CHAIR AT THIS POINT. ALRIGHT. UNLESS YOU ALL FEEL THE NEED TO DO SO. ALRIGHT. SO HEARING THAT, IF, IF NOTHING CHANGES WITH MR. WALLACE, HE JUST CONTINUED ON AS THE CO-CHAIR AS PREVIOUSLY ELECTED, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WHAT I HAVE SEEN SINCE OUR PAST MEETING IS MR. STEWART, WITHOUT HAVING A TITLE TAKE ON MORE OF A LEADERSHIP ROLE, I'VE HEARD FROM HIM, I'VE HEARD OTHERS. AND THEN IN OUR MEETING YESTERDAY, I SAW HIM WITHOUT, AGAIN, WITHOUT A TITLE, STEP UP AND TAKE THAT ROLE. MM-HMM . SO I SEE SOMEONE WILLING AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE ABLE. SO MY MOTION WILL BE FOR MR. STEWART TO BE OUR NEW CHAIR. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION, IT HAS BEEN PROPERLY SECONDED. A VOICE VOTE SO WE CAN DO A VOICE VOTE. SO ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE THEN OPPOSED? AYE. SO HAVE IT. THERE IS A NEW BOARD CHAIR AND IT'S COMMISSIONER CURTIS STEWART AND MR. UM, WALLACE, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF EASE AND TRANSITION, IF A MAJORITY OF ALL ARE, ARE COMFORTABLE TO ALLOW YOU TO CONTINUE TO PRESIDE THROUGH THE CONCLUSION OF THIS MEETING, THEN MR. STEWART CAN BEGIN PRESIDING OVER MEETINGS BEGINNING IN JULY. OKAY. IS THAT OKAY? ABSOLUTELY. ALRIGHT. ON TO B WORK, UH, WORK GROUP REPORTS. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA START, [9.b.Workgroup Reports ] UH, COMMISSIONER PROCTOR IS NOT HERE. SO WE CAN WE, UH, ARE WE GONNA DELAY TABLE? PERHAPS WE CAN. I, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO REPORT ON HER BEHALF, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA MATERIALS AND I, I THINK IT IS WORTHWHILE TO TAKE SOME TIME TO REVIEW THEM. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THEM IN THE PAST 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN INCLUDED IN PREVIOUS AGENDA PACKAGE. UM, BUT JUST SO THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC GOING FORWARD HAS SOME CLARITY. UM, IN YOUR PACKET IS A DOCUMENT THAT HAS A CAPTION CALLED QUICK CLAIM DEED. THIS IS A SAMPLE DEED THAT WILL BE USED GOING FORWARD, CONVEYING PROPERTY FROM THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO ANYBODY WHO WINS THE UPSET BID PROCESS. AND OF NOTE, I JUST WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, UM, PAGE THREE OF FOUR. THAT'S WHERE THE LEGAL DE DESCRIPTION WILL BE. UM, AND PAGE FOUR OF FOUR ARE THE PROPOSED RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS. SO ANY PROPERTY THAT YOU ALL DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO SELL BY THE UPSET BID PROCESS THAT YOU FIND SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT, THESE ARE THE PROPOSED RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS. UM, BASED ON SOME INPUT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM, UM, MS. PROCTOR AND SOME OF HER COLLEAGUES. AND YOU JUST THINKING ABOUT BEST PRACTICES AND THINGS THAT YOU ALL DONE IN THE PAST. NUMBER ONE, YOU'VE GET BUILT A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF RECORDING YOUR DEED. OKAY? YOU HAVE TO OBTAIN YOUR BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF RECORDING THE DEED, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST. SO ONCE YOU GET THE PROPERTY, YOU RECORD YOUR DEED WITHIN SIX MONTHS, YOU HAVE TO OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT, [00:25:01] YOU HAVE TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTING A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF RECORDING YOUR D AND THEN YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 24 MONTHS OF CLOSING. SO THOSE ARE THE MILESTONES THAT WE HAVE, UM, BUILT IN. I HEARD A QUESTION ABOUT ORIENTATION OF THE FRONT DOOR TOWARDS THE STREET. I KNOW THAT THAT HAS BEEN A CONCERN OF THE COMMISSIONS AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST. SO IF YOU LOOK AT PARAGRAPH NUMBER FOUR, THE RESIDENCE SHALL HAVE ITS PRINCIPAL ENTRANCE FACING THE STREET AND SHALL HAVE A FRONT PORCH OR STOOP ELEMENT CONSISTENT WITH OTHER HOMES FOUND ON THE STREET. 'CAUSE I, WE'VE HEARD IN THE PAST, UM, A CONCERN ABOUT WANTING TO MAINTAIN THE STREETSCAPE OF, OF VARIOUS DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, OCCUPANCY OR LOW INCOME QUALIFIED TRANSFER. WE HAVE A PROPERTY HERE THAT SAYS THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHALL EITHER BE OWNER OCCUPIED FOR FIVE YEARS, UM, OR BE OCCUPIED OR SOLD TO A PER OR RENTED TO A PERSON OF LOW TO MODERATE INCOME BASED ON THE STANDARDS OF NEWBURN. UM, THERE'S SOME NOTICE PROVISIONS HERE, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS PARAGRAPH NUMBER 10, THAT THESE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS HAVE A SPECIFIC DURATION. SO THEY EXPIRE AT A DATE THAT YOU ALL DETERMINE. SO IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE THE PROPERTY TO BE, UM, INCOME CONTROLLED FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS, YOU CAN DO THAT 10 YEARS OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU DECIDE UNLESS YOU WANT THESE COVENANTS TO RUN WITH THE LAND FOREVER. SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THOSE THINGS TO YOUR ATTENTION. UM, IF YOU WANT TO OFFER ANY DIRECTION TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS, HAPPY TO ACCEPT THAT DIRECTION AT THIS TIME. SO WE WILL MAKE THOSE DECISIONS PER PER DEED. I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN CONTEMPLATING IS DOING AN AUDIT OF ALL OF THE AVAILABLE PROPERTIES THAT YOU OWN AND DETERMINING WHICH OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR HOUSING. AND THEN OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR HOUSING, MAKING, ANY OFFERS TO PURCHASE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT I HAVE JUST ESPOUSED IS EXHIBIT B, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH. SO IN THE, IN THE PAST, WAS THERE NOT A QUICK CLAIM DEED THAT WAS BEING DONE? THERE WAS A QUICK CLAIM DEED AT THAT POINT. THE RESTRICTIONS KIND OF VARIED BASED ON THE PROJECT THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED. MM-HMM . I UNDERSTAND FROM THE CURRENT BOARD THAT YOU ALL WANT TO STANDARDIZE THINGS SO THAT EVERY PROPERTY THAT'S UP THAT YOU DECIDE IS SURPLUS AND AVAILABLE FOR SALE WILL COME WITH A STANDARD SET OF CONDITIONS, IS WHAT I THINK THE CONSENSUS HAS BEEN UP UNTIL THIS POINT. AND THAT'S WHY THIS LANGUAGE HAS BEEN DRAFTED THE WAY IT'S, SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR, SIX MONTHS THEY HAVE TO, TO PULL THE PERMIT, 12 MONTHS TO BREAK CONSTRUCTION AND THEN 24 TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. CORRECT. WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT FOUR ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS, UM, DO I FACE, OKAY, JAMIE, GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID IN REGARDS TO THE COVENANTS OR THE RESTRICTION AND THE TIMEFRAME ON THAT, THAT IS A NEW REQUIREMENT THAT THAT WAS SUGGESTED. WE HAVE, AS YOU INDICATED, AS YOU SAW WITH MR. MCGOVERN, UM, WE GENERALLY REQUIRED 12 MONTHS TO START CONSTRUCTION. WE DID NOT HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE BY WHICH YOU HAD TO BE FINISHED. WELL, THAT, AND, AND GREAT POINT ON THAT. THAT'S, YOU'VE GOT 24 MONTHS NOW. I THINK WHAT MY QUESTION IS, THE USE OF THE LAND, YOU MENTIONED WE COULD PUT A RESTRICTION UP THERE FOR THE , YOU KNOW, THE LIFE OF THE, THE, THE, THE LOT OR YOU CAN PUT A RESTRICTION UP THERE FOR A TIMEFRAME BASED ON, UM, BASED ON THE QUALIFICATION. SO OCCUPANCY OR INCOME QUALIFIED TRANSFER FIVE. CAN YOU BREAK THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR ME JUST TO MAKE SURE? SURE. SO LOOKING AT PARAGRAPH NUMBER FIVE, UM, ANY RESIDENCE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE SOLD SHALL EITHER BE OWNER OCCUPIED FOR FIVE YEARS. SO I CAN MAKE WHATEVER AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT I WANT, I CAN, I HAVE TO LIVE THERE FOR FIVE YEARS. AFTER FIVE YEARS, I CAN CONVEY THE PROPERTY OUT. IF IT'S NOT ON OR OCCUPIED FOR FIVE YEARS, UM, OR SOLD OR RENT IT TO SOMEBODY OF LOW TO MODERATE INCOME, THEN THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE COVENANT. SO YOU EITHER GOTTA STAY IN THE HOUSE AS THE OWNER FOR FIVE YEARS, UM, FOLLOWING THE ISSUANCE OF A CO, UM, A CO OR SELL OR RENT TO A PERSON OF LOW TO MODERATE INCOME. UM, AND THEIR QUALIFICATION FOR LOW TO MODERATE INCOME IS AT THE TIME OF THE LEASE OR THE PURCHASE. SO IF THEIR INCOME GROWS OVER TIME, THEY ARE NOT DISQUALIFIED FROM CONTINUING TO STAY IN THAT HOUSE. AND SO, AND THEN HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD ONE GOVERN THAT IF I PURCHASED, YOU KNOW, HYPOTHETICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER PURCHASED A HOME, HOW, HOW IS THAT GOVERNED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE NOT SOLD OR LEASE THAT PROPERTY OUT WITHIN THAT FI WHATEVER THAT TIMEFRAME IS? DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION TO PARAGRAPH NUMBER SIX, NOTICE [00:30:01] PRIOR TO SALE OR INITIAL LEASE, IT INDICATES THAT PRIOR TO CONVEYING THE PROPERTY OR ENTERING INTO A LEASE, UM, THE GRANTEE, THE PERSON WHO GETS THE PROPERTY HAS TO PROVIDE WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE. EXCUSE ME, I, IF I'M, I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT IN SIX, I DON'T SEE WHERE IT SAYS IT HAS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. AM I MISSING THAT? THE GRANTOR IS THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION? IT'S THE GRANTOR. THE GRANTOR IS THE PERSON THAT OWNS THAT PROPERTY THOUGH. IS IS THE, WHICH IS THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. SO IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE, NO, I'M SAYING IF IT, SO IF IT'S DEEDED OVER TO THE BUYER, LOOK AT PAGE ONE OF FOUR, ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE WAY DOWN THE PAGE, YOU'LL SEE GRANTOR IS INDICATED AT RE AS REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NEW BERN. SO THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT ON ALL FOUR PAGES, WHENEVER WE REFERENCE GRANTOR, THAT IS REFERRING TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. AND I ALSO WANT TO JUST BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT IF FOR SOME REASON, UM, THE PURCHASER FORGETS OR MISSES ONE OF THOSE MILESTONES, UM, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO CURE SHORT OF AUTOMATIC REVERSION SO THEY CAN COME TO YOU ALL AND EXPLAIN THEIR CIRCUMSTANCE AND YOU ALL CAN, UM, EXTEND THESE MILESTONES, UM, AS LONG AS THE PERSON IS OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH TOWARDS COMPLIANCE. YOU KNOW, MY, MY ONLY CONCERN OR MY ONLY QUESTION, I, I, I DEFINITELY LIKE THE, THE TIMELINE. I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. THE SIX MONTHS TO PULL A PERMIT, UH, 12 MONTHS TO BEGIN THE CONSTRUCTION AND 24 MONTHS TO, TO FINISH, I, I GUESS THE CONVEYANCE OF THE LAND, I GUESS IT, IT, IT HELPS WITH HOME OWNERSHIP THERE IN DUFFY FIELD. BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT FOLKS THAT NEED, YOU KNOW, IT HELPS WITH THE HOME OWNERSHIP AND YOU'RE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING A WHOLE BUNCH OF RENTAL PROPERTY. BUT THEN HOW ABOUT FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY NEED A PLACE TO STAY? YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S, I I DON'T, I'M A LITTLE INDIFFERENT ON THAT TIME, THAT TIMEFRAME. I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF RESTRICTION AROUND IT. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT FIVE YEARS LOOKS LIKE AND I'M, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS, WHAT YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS IS ON THAT. SO IF SOMEONE BUYS THAT PROPERTY, THEY HAVE TO STAY, IT HAS TO BE AN OWNER OCCUPIED FOR FIVE YEARS BEFORE THEY CAN DO ANYTHING. NO SIR. SO AM I MISSING, YEAH, THIS HAS TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED OR IT HAS TO BE RENTED TO SOMEBODY OF LOW INCOME AND WHEN THEY RENT IT TO SOMEBODY LOW INCOME, THEY HAVE TO LET US KNOW IN WRITING THAT THEY'RE RENT IT TO SOMEBODY IN LOW INCOME. IS THAT RIGHT? AND PROVIDE, PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION AND PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT THE DETERMINATION THAT THEY ARE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME. NOW PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT HE'S SAYING, WHAT ABOUT IF THEY RENT IT TO A, UM, A TENANT AND THAT TENANT LEAVES IN A YEAR? ARE THEY STIPULATED TO DO THIS EVERY TIME? THEY HAVE TO SEND US THAT EVERY TIME. AND WHAT KURT WAS SAYING, WHAT IF THE TENANT STAYS FOR A YEAR, MOVES OUT, WHO'S GOING TO BE GUARDING THAT PROPERTY TO KNOW THAT SECOND TENANT FALLS BELOW THAT 80% OR IS THAT AT 80%? SO FOR THE FIRST TENANT, THEY'VE GOTTA PROVIDE NOTICE FOR ANY SUBSEQUENT TENANTS. THE WAY I'M INTERPRETING PARAGRAPH NUMBER SIX, PRIOR TO CONVEYING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OR ENTERING INTO A LEASE, INTO A LEASE, WHETHER IT'S THE FIRST LEASE OR THE 57TH LEASE, WE ARE ENTITLED TO THAT NOTICE. UM, AND WE WOULD VET THROUGH CITY STAFF WHETHER THE PERSON MEETS THE INCOME QUALIFICATIONS FOR LOW TO MODERATE INCOME PERSONS, UM, IN THE NEW BERN AREA AND BLESS IT GOING FORWARD WITH THAT LEASE. UM, IF THERE'S TURNOVER, WE WOULD STILL EXPECT FOR NOTIFICATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS. NOW IF WE FIND OUT THAT SOMEBODY HAS VIOLATED THE COVENANTS, WE SEND THEM NOTICE THAT THEY'RE IN VIOLATION AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO CURE. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE PARAGRAPH 10 AS FAR AS DURATION IS HOW LONG DO YOU WANT POTENTIALLY A PROPERTY TO BE INCOME RESTRICTED? I KNOW IN THE PAST THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATION WITH MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD ABOUT WHETHER IT'S IMPORTANT OR PRIORITY TO HAVE MIXED INCOMES WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY. SO IF EVERY HOME OR THE MAJORITY OF HOMES ARE INCOME RESTRICTED, THEN THAT CAN NOT NECESSARILY ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL OF HAVING A MIXED INCOME COMMUNITY. AND I DO JUST WANT TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORIES AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA. IT'S NOT JUST UPY FIELD. REMEMBER YOUR BOUNDARY GOES FROM EAST ROW [00:35:01] STREET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WALT BELLAMY. UM, AND YOU MAY OWN PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THAT, THAT JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARY. SO WHAT YOU MIGHT DO, UM, IS GO THROUGH THESE COVENANTS WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME SO THAT, UM, WE CAN GET THE BENEFIT OF YOUR INSIGHT AND FEEDBACK. THIS WILL BE ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA, HOPEFULLY WHEN MS. PROCTOR IS HERE. UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC DIRECTION FOR STAFF AT THAT POINT, WE CAN ACCEPT THAT DIRECTION AND TRY TO GET THESE, THESE COVENANTS FIRMED UP SO THAT THEY CAN BE, UM, PUBLICLY ADVERTISED. SO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE OFFICE TO PURCHASE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY MAY BE GETTING THEMSELVES INTO AS IT RELATES TO HOW THE BOARD IS GOING TO PROGRESS MOVING FORWARD. UM, TURNING YOUR ATTENTION NOW TO THE OFFICE OFFER TO PURCHASE AND CONTRACT DOCUMENT THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. UM, IT IS REALLY A STANDARD REAL ESTATE CONTRACT, BUT IT DOES SPECIFICALLY, UM, INCORPORATE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME AMBIGUITY IN QUESTION IN THE PAST FROM ONE PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE. AND WE WANT TO USE THE BENEFIT OF THAT WISDOM GOING FORWARD. UH, COUNSELOR, UM, I REMEMBER SEEING THE RANGE FOR LOW TO MODERATE, BUT I DON'T WANNA MISQUOTE. CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN US ON THE DOLLAR RANGE FROM LOW TO MODERATE? YOU DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT IS. OKAY. BUT, UM, BASELINE, MS. TMORE WHO IS OUR CDBG YEAH. GURU FOR THE CITY. SHE TRACKS THAT INFORMATION ON A REGULAR BASIS AND SHE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION IF YOU'D LIKE, SIR. OKAY. IT'S FROM, JUST FROM PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE ALL IT'S A WIDE RANGE. YOU, YOU'RE GONNA BE SHOCKED WHEN YOU SEE THE MODERATE INCOME, THE TOP PART OF THE MODERATE INCOME, YOU'RE GONNA BE SHOCKED WHEN YOU SEE IT BEING THAT THEY CALL IT LOW . ALRIGHT? SO, AND THAT JUST BRINGS UP, YOU SAID THAT WAL, WAL BELLAMY, I MEAN WHEN YOU, THAT'S MODERATE WHEN YOU GO TO WALT BELLAMY LOW IS OVER HERE WHERE WE AT. GO AHEAD MR. UH, JUST TWO QUICK QUESTIONS WHILE WE'RE, AND I'M GONNA JUMP BACK TO THE QUICK CLAIM DEED. UM, I NOTICED YOU MADE MENTION OF MULTIPLE LEASE ARRANGEMENTS, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS ONLY SPEAKING TO THE FIRST SALE. YES. IF PERSON A WERE TO BUY IT THIS FROM US AND SELL IT TO PERSON B, THEN PERSON B DECIDES TO SELL IT TO PERSON C, WE HAVE NO INVOLVEMENT IN THAT TRANSACTION PRIOR TO CONVEYING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OR ENTERING INTO A LEASE. MM-HMM . SO, SO PERSON A IS THE ONE THAT SIGNS THIS AGREEMENT WITH US. MM-HMM . THIS QUICK LANE B WITH US. DOES THIS ATTACH WHENEVER PERSON B DECIDES THEY WANT TO SELL IT TO PERSON C, RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS RUN WITH THE LAND FOR THE DURATION SET OUT THEREIN OR INDEFINITELY IF THERE'S NO DURATION. SO SINCE THEY RUN WITH THE LAND, THEY WOULD BE BINDING ON ANY SUBSEQUENT OWNERS OR SUCCESSORS IN INTEREST. OKAY. AND THEN, BUT WE CAN SPELL THAT OUT JUST SO THAT IT'S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. YEAH. SOME, SOMETHING ABOUT, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY I HAD THAT QUESTION, THAT MAY JUST BE MY IGNORANCE. UM, THEN I NOTICED THE DURATION, YOU HAVE TO BLANK ON THAT. MM-HMM . WOULD YOUR INTENTION BE FOR US TO FILL THAT IN AS A PART OF APPROVING THIS OR ON A CASE BY CASE BY CASE BASIS, DECIDE WHAT'S A HURT PERIOD? I, I THINK THE MOJO THAT I HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING WAS TO TRY TO STANDARDIZE THIS PROCESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT, DOING YOUR HOMEWORK BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, I WOULD HAVE YOU ALL CONTEMPLATE A, A NUMBER OF YEARS THAT YOU THINK THESE RESTRICTIONS SHOULD ATTACH TO THE PROPERTY. NOTICE I WANT TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO PARAGRAPH NUMBER 11. UM, THIS DOCUMENT, THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS CAN BE MODIFIED. SO IF THERE IS A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WARRANTS FOR VISITING, YOU HAVE THE LATITUDE TO DO THAT. BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO STANDARDIZE, STANDARDIZE THIS PROCESS, I WOULD ASK FOR A YEAR, UM, FOR, TO FILL IN FOR BLANK NUMBER TWO, JUST WANTED TO SET THAT EXPECTATION WITH EVERYONE AS THEY WERE REVIEWING. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OTHER QUESTIONS? SO, SO THE GOAL WOULD BE FOR US TO, AND, AND ASK HIM THROUGH THIS EARLIER AND, AND DIDN'T GET INTO THE FINE, FINE DETAILS. SO THE GOAL WOULD BE FOR US TO, TO PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK WE HAVE TO YOU PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING. SO HOPEFULLY BY NEXT MEETING WE CAN IMPLEMENT THIS, UH, IDEALLY. UM, SO IF YOU ARE ABLE TO, TO COMMUNICATE YOUR FEEDBACK BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN PROVIDE A RED LINE VERSION. SO IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES THAT WE ADD, YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGES BETWEEN THE TWO DOCUMENTS AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE BENEFIT OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL A FINAL VERSION FOR YOU ALL TO ADOPT, UM, SO THAT WE CAN GET THESE IN CIRCULATION. OKAY. AND WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT COVER, [00:40:01] UH, RESTRICTION BE NOW USED FOR SUCH AS THE MCGOVERN WE JUST CAME? CORRECT. ONCE YOU ALL APPROVE THESE, UM, THESE DOCUMENTS, UM, AFTER YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET FAMILIAR WITH THEM FROM THAT MOMENT OF ADOPTION FORWARD, ANYBODY WHO MAKES AN OFFER TO PURCHASE ON A PROPERTY OWNED BY THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION THAT YOU HAVE DECLARED SURPLUS WILL USE THESE FORMS AND THIS IS THE DEED THAT THEY'LL GET. NOW, CERTAINLY IF THERE'S A SPECIAL PROJECT, UM, WHERE YOU'RE DOING A A LARGER SCALE SCALE DEVELOPMENT, UM, IT MAY CHANGE. BUT FOR THE GARDEN VARIETY RUN OF THE MILL INFIELD CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE NORM GOING FORWARD FOR A LOT THAT WE FEEL THAT CAN BE BILLABLE. CORRECT. WELL THANK YOU SARAH FOR THAT. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN THAT'S A REALLY GOOD FRAMEWORK FOR US TO KIND OF HAVE SOMETHING TO GO FORWARD WITH. SO, OKAY. AND STEVE, IF YOU WORKED ON THAT AS WELL, , I MEAN IT'S, IT IT GIVES, IT IS PRETTY CLEAR TO FOLKS WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE, SO, OKAY. AND, AND WHAT WE CAN DO ALSO, UM, IN THE SPIRIT OF JUST MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO NAVIGATE THIS PROCESS, THIS MAY INCLUDE A COVER SHEET ON THE APPLICATION OR THE OFFER TO PURCHASE, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THE STEPS THAT ARE GONNA BE INVOLVED, KNOWING THAT YOUR EXPECTATION IS THAT THEY COME AND PRESENT, UM, AT ONE OF YOUR REGULAR MEETINGS TO SHOW WHAT THEIR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL LOOK LIKE. AND ALSO IT'S EMBEDDED IN THE DOCUMENTS. BUT JUST TO MAKE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT ULTIMATELY THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN HAS TO APPROVE ANY SALES OF REAL PROPERTY THAT YOU ALL UNDERTAKE. UM, AND THAT MAY BE A HELPFUL CUSTOMER SERVICE GUIDE, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO NAVIGATE THIS PROCESS CAN DO SOME MORE EASILY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNSEL. ALRIGHT, ITEM B TWO, MARKETING COMMISSIONER DUCK MARKETING MARKETING. WE'LL, FOR THE LAST TWO MEETINGS I'VE BEEN PUT MARKETING OFF. SO ALMOST THE SAME THING THIS TIME. 'CAUSE WHAT HAVE I HAD TO MARKET AFTER OUR DISCUSSION YESTERDAY? IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT TO FOCUS ON THE AVENUES PROJECT, PUT SOMETHING INTO PLACE AND MOVE FORWARD. HOWEVER, ONCE I FIND OUT WHAT WE ARE EXACTLY ARE DOING, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED IT IN A MEETING. AND ONCE I DO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT, WE CAN ALL COME TOGETHER. AND I WOULD LOVE TO START SPEAKING WITH YOU ALL AT THE, UM, CITY OFFICE, MS. , SO WE CAN GET SOME PLANS TOGETHER TO START MARKETING TO EITHER BUILDERS WHEN WE DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IT OURSELF UNTIL WE HAVE A CONCRETE DIRECTION. I MEAN, AS A SOMEONE THAT CAN DO MARKETING, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO MARKET UNTIL I'M INSTRUCTED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING . SO ONCE I KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, I CAN PUT AN ACTION PLAN IN PLACE. ALSO, UH, BOARD, UM, YOU, YOU ALL HAVE DISCUSSED ABOUT THE, I GUESS, VISIBILITY OF THE PROPERTIES THAT YOU ALL OWN AND, UH, WHAT'S UP FOR SALE. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A GROUP OF PROPERTIES THAT, UH, ARE, YOU ALL APPEAR TO BE LEANING TOWARDS THE AVENUES PROJECT THAT YOU WANT TO RETAIN THOSE, BUT YOU HAVE ANOTHER GROUP OF ALMOST 20 TO 25 PROPERTIES THAT YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND ADVERTISE THOSE THAT THEY ARE FOR SALE, IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD TO UM, PUT UP SIGNAGE TO, TO MAKE THOSE MORE VISIBLE. UM, THAT, THAT'S A DISCUSSION Y'ALL CAN HAVE IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT. AND WE GET, UM, PROVIDE THE STAFF WILL PROVIDE SOME ASSISTANCE WITH THAT. BUT, OR IF YOU JUST WANT TO RIGHT NOW JUST, UM, SIT BACK AND SEE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH THOSE PROBLEMS BEFORE WE DO ANY ADDITIONAL ADVERTISEMENT AT, AT A COST OF COURSE. I KNOW ONE THING I HAVE LOOKED INTO, THE NEW BERN MAGAZINE HAS VERY AFFORDABLE MARKETING. SO WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A PIECE WITH THESE PROPERTIES AND PUT IT IN THAT PERIODICAL, THE NEW BERN MAGAZINE THAT'S GIVEN AWAY FOR FREE THAT MIGHT EVEN ATTRACT PEOPLE THAT'S VISITING TO COME BACK AND INVEST IN NEW BERN. AND THOSE THAT ALREADY LIVE HERE CAN SEE THAT. BUT THAT'S ONE AFFORDABLE WAY OF MARKETING ONCE WE GET, UH, UM, SOME COPY PUT TOGETHER TO PLACE IN THAT AREA. COMMISSIONER DOUG, WOULD YOU BE IN FAVOR OF, UH, ASKING STAFF TO PROVIDE US WITH A, UH, A PRICE OF PUTTING NEW BIRDS ALREADY BEGAN ON THEIR LOTS? A BUDGET TO PUT IN? NO, JUST PUT A PRICE ON HOW MUCH AS SIGNAGE WOULD COST FOR EACH LOT. WOULD THAT BE GOOD VERSUS THE SPRINGBOARD AND BOROUGH TALKING ABOUT FOR SALE SIZE? MM-HMM . YEAH, THE NICE ONES LIKE THE CITY GOT, YOU KNOW, OVER THERE WITH THE SCAN MM-HMM . WELL, WHEN I RIDE THROUGH EVERY LOT, BUT I SEE THOSE SIGNS ALREADY OUT. YOU SEE THE, THE CITY IS NOT OUT. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING LIKE THERE'S ARE CERTAIN COLORS. MAYBE I COULD BE A DIFFERENT COLOR, BUT THE SAME [00:45:01] TYPE OF SIGNAGE. SO WHAT WE DO START MEETING WITH OUR PARTNERS AND THEY DRIVE THROUGH THE AREA, THEY KNOW THAT'S OUT. THEY CAN SEE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TARGETING. COMMISSIONER WALLACE, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD DO MR. WILLIAMS? I, I AND IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION Y'ALL WANT, YOU CAN DEFINITELY GET THAT TO Y'ALL. WELL I THINK YOU STILL GOT A POINT THAT STEVE MADE EARLIER, WHICH IS WE GOTTA IDENTIFY THE LOTS THAT WE'RE, UM, THAT WE, THAT WE FEEL ARE BILLABLE. SO, SO WHAT WHAT YOU MIGHT DO IS, UM, BOTH SO WE COULD, STAFF CAN GET YOU PRICING FOR WHAT, WHAT IT COSTS PER SIGN, UM, AND PROVIDE A MOCK-UP OF THE SIGNS SO THAT YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. I THINK THE SIGNS THAT THE CITY USES HAVE A QR CODE THAT LINK YOU TO THE WEBSITE SO YOU CAN EASILY, EASILY ASSESS A DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT INFORMATION ABOUT IT. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT YOU MIGHT DO BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING IS GO THROUGH THE RESOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU, UM, BY CITY STAFF SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE DETERMINATIONS OR AT LEAST BEGIN TO FORMULATE AN IDEA ABOUT WHAT LOTS YOU DETERMINE ARE BUILDABLE AND THOSE THAT PERHAPS ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO CAUTION YOU BEFORE YOU COMMIT TO THE, UM, SIGNS WITH THE QR CODES THAT WE SAW QUITE A FEW OF STARTING ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT THE SHELF LIFE OF THOSE SIGNS WERE. UH, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG FOR A LOT OF THEM TO, THEY, THEY FADED, THEY GOT KICKED OVER, THEY SOMEHOW THEY WORK. SO THEY HAVE TO BE STRATEGICALLY PLACED ALSO. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT INTO SOME SIGNS THAT WE'RE GETTING THE BEST SHELF LIFE OUTTA THEM. MM-HMM. BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LAST LONG AT ALL. ESPECIALLY RIGHT THERE IN THE REDEVELOP. WELL THE ONES I SAW IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA ALONG SOME OF THE STREETS, THEY WERE, UH, ON, ON WALKING STREETS ALONG WITH WELL TRAVELED STREETS. AND UH, ONCE THEY ARE NOT STANDING STRAIGHT, ONCE THEY ARE UH, OR HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED, THEY BECOME JUST AS MUCH OF AN EYESORE AS TRASH BEING IN THE YARD. 'CAUSE A LOT OF THEM ARE LYING FLAT. A LOT OF THEM ARE NOT READABLE. A LOT OF THEM JUST DON'T LOOK GOOD. SO WE DEFINITELY NEED TO EXPLORE, UH, PLACEMENT AND THE SHELF LIFE. WELL, SINCE WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT SIGNS, UH, MOVING ON WITH EVERYBODY'S IDEA, THAT'S HOW I THINK THINGS BECOME GREATER WHEN WE, SHE IRON SHARPENS IRON. WE CAN DO A HARD SIGN. WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT AT THE PROPERTIES. WE CAN PUT IT IN STRATEGIC PLACES WITH THE QR CODE AND A LARGER, A LARGER HARD SIGN CAN HAVE THE MESSAGE. A SMALL MESSAGE LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THE REDEVELOPMENT ZONE PROPERTIES ARE AND WHO WE'RE INVITING TO COME WORK WITH US. I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA. SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ON ANY OF THE PROPERTIES, BUT IF SOMEBODY'S DOWNTOWN THAT SIGNS STATIONARY THAT THEY SCAN AT QR CODE, WE HAVE A LANDING PAGE SAYING AND LET 'EM KNOW WHAT THE REDEVELOPMENT ZONE IS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND COME WORK WITH US AND WE'RE INTERESTED IN YOU IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN US. SO, YOU KNOW, SO MR. DOVE, I I THINK THAT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA. UM, I JUST WOULD LIKE FOR EVERYONE TO BEAR IN MIND, THE CITY OF NEWPORT DOES REGULATE SIGNS, UM, AND WE GENERALLY DON'T ALLOW OFF PREMISES, OFF PREMISES, UM, ADVERTISING SIGNS. SO IF YOU HAVE THE IDEA TO MARKET, UM, PROPERTIES MORE BROADLY, NOT PUTTING A SIGN ON EVERY SINGLE LOCATION, MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU WOULD BE TO PUT THAT HARD LARGER SIGN ON A PROPERTY THAT YOU OWN, RIGHT? SO THAT IT COMPLIES WITH OUR SIGN ORDER. SO COULD WE PUT UP TO SAY SEVEN OR EIGHT WITHIN A, WITHIN AN AREA IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA FOR THE CLOSEST PROXIMITY OF THOSE, AS LONG AS IT'S ON PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN? YES SIR. THANK YOU. SO YOU TALKING ABOUT IN THE ZONE THOUGH, IN THE, IN THE REDEVELOPMENT ZONE, SUCH AS, UH, ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN ON THE, UH, CORNER OF, UH, LET'S SAY MAIN AND UM, EUBANKS, ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER, HAVE THAT PARTICULAR SPOT WHERE YOU HAVE A LARGER SIGN BUT YOU'RE ONLY LISTING THE, UH, PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THAT SURROUNDING AREA ADJACENT TO IT. WELL, NOT JUST ADJACENT TO IT, BUT IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, EVEN IF IT'S ON SAMPSON STREET OR EVEN IF IT'S UP ON K OR J STREET. AND THEN I, I WOULD ADD TO THAT ROBIN, EVEN THOUGH THE SIGNS ARE NOT, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT WITH THE INDIVIDUAL SIGNS, BUT WE STILL NEED SOME TYPE OF MARKER SAYING THAT'S OURS. [00:50:01] WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP ON THE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP ON, UH, THE WEBSITE, THEN YOU GO ACTUALLY DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. IT, IT SHOULDN'T BE LIKE EASILY SPOTTED SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING TO BUY EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE BIG ONE THERE, RIGHT. IS WHAT I'M SAYING. AND I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD STILL, UM, RESEARCH THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF USING THE ONES THAT THEY DID HAVE, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE STRATEGICALLY PLACED AND THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST RIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE A KID COULD COME KICK IT OR WHERE, UH, IF A, IF A CAR VEERS OFF A LITTLE BIT. 'CAUSE THERE IS NO CURB AND GUTTERING ON A LOT OF THOSE STREETS AND IF THEY VEER OFF JUST A LITTLE BIT OR IF THEY GO PARK, UH, THEY WILL TEAR THOSE SIGNS UP. AND I'VE SEEN THAT. WELL MY, WELL MY THOUGHTS NOT MY IDEA. MY THOUGHTS ARE MORE STRATEGIC PLACES SUCH AS CLOSE TO THE DOCK WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY FISH, UM, A CITY PROPERTY MAYBE LIKE, UM, OVER BY THE COURTHOUSE WHERE THEY WALK. AND THAT WOULD BE ALL WELL AND GOOD EXCEPT FOR WHAT MS FOR WHAT THE ATTORNEY HAS SAID, UH, IS THAT THEY DO HAVE DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS AND COVENANTS ON OFFSITE UM, ADVERTISING. I WOULD LIKE THAT SIGN THOUGH YOU ALL LOOK AT YOUR SCREEN. THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. I MEAN WE CAN TWIST THAT SIGN AND MAKE IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT THAT QR CODE WOULD LEAD TO A LANDING PAGE JUST FOR OUR ZONE WITH THE PROPER VERBIAGE INVITING AND ENTICING PEOPLE TO COME WORK WITH US, SHOWING A VISION THAT WE HAVE WITH PICTURES OF PROBABLY THE AVENUES PROJECT. WE WOULD TAKE SOME LOTS AND WE WOULD, UM, IMAGINE HOMES BUILT ON IT TO SHOW PEOPLE THE VISION. YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. YOU JUST, AGAIN, YOU GOTTA KEEP IN MIND WE'RE, WE'RE, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT THAT ON ALL INDIVIDUAL LOTS, WHERE ARE WE GONNA PUT THAT AT? AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKING SURE IT'S IN THE MOST VISIBLE PLACE, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA BE IN THE REDEVELOPMENT ZONE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PROPERTY'S ZONE AT AND MAYBE THE MOST ATTRACTIVE LOTS WE CAN PUT IT UP THERE, THE MOST ATTRACTIVE ONES OUT OF THE GROUP. BUT YOU KNOW, TO PUT IT ON, LIKE ROBBIE SAID, A HARD SIGN WOULD BE TOO EXPENSIVE TO PUT ON ALL THE LOTS THAT WE HAD ACCESS TO. SO, SO WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU ALL IS, UM, YOU LIKE THE CONCEPT THAT'S ON THE SCREEN AND WOULD LIKE STAFF TO GET YOU SOME PRICING FOR A SIGN THAT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN AND THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO IDENTIFY STRATEGIC LOCATIONS WHERE YOU THINK, UM, THESE SIGNS WILL HAVE THE HIGHEST VISIBILITY ON LOTS THAT ARE OWNED BY THE E DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. AND THEN I ALSO FEEL WE SHOULD MAKE SURE WHEN WE PICK THESE PLACES THAT THEY'RE NOT ONLY IN PLACES THAT MIGHT ENTICE INVESTORS BUT ALSO ENTICE MORE SO HOMEOWNERS AND PEOPLE WITH, WITH THAT STAFF. CAN I UNDERSTAND THE SIGNS THEY'RE BEING PLACED IN STRATEGIC AREAS, BUT AS A SECOND BULLET ON WHAT YOU GIVE US, CAN WE HAVE LIKE HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST FOR THE LITTLE SIGNS? ABSOLUTELY. SO STAFF IS GOING TO GIVE US SOME, UH, DETAILS ABOUT, UH, THE COST OF THE SIGNS. YES. AND THEN WHAT, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU ALL WANT TO DO AT THE NEXT MEETING IS HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT STRATEGIC LOCATIONS TO PLACE THESE SIGNS. SO BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ANALYSIS BY THE BOARD MEMBERS TO IDENTIFY THOSE LOCATIONS. COULD WE FIND OUT WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE IF WE DID WANT TO PUT UM, SIGNAGE AS A COMMISSIONER? DOVE SAID DOWN ON PROPERTIES THAT ARE OWNED BY THE CITY BUT JUST ARE NOT OWNED BY THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION OR IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA. I, I'LL GET WITH STAFF. I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S PROHIBITED BY OUR SIGNED ORDINANCE, BUT I'LL, I'LL GET WITH MR. WILLIAMS AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU. THANK YOU. AND ALSO, UM, THIS JUST POPPED IN MY MIND. UM, WE HAVE EVENTS COMING UP SUCH AS JUNETEENTH, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE REV VIABLE, BUT MAYBE HAVE A BOOTH IF WE HAD THE PARAPHERNALIA PROPERLY PUT TOGETHER TO SHARE THE VISION OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FOR SANEL FESTIVAL COMING UP, THAT'S PROBABLY MORE IDEAL ONE TO BE PREPARED FOR. 'CAUSE THE JUNETEENTH IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER WHERE THE CONSENT FROM OFFENSE IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW. SO IF, IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE THAT, UM, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO SO IF A MAJORITY OF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT. WELL, I'D LIKE TO HEAR Y'ALL THOUGHTS ON THAT. I JUST, I'M JUST SPEAKING OF IDEAS, WHICH MIGHT NOT BE GOOD ONES, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M GOING TO PUT 'EM OUT THERE TO HEAR WHAT YOU ALL THINK. WE AGREE AND I DEFINITELY THINK THEY NEED SOME MARKETING MATERIAL. UM, AND I DEFINITELY THINK A YARD SIGN, UM, IF SOMETHING COMPARABLE TO WHAT THE CITY PUTS OUT ALREADY FOR THE PROPERTY THEY OWN IS UH, APPROPRIATE. I THINK WE JUST GOTTA, UM, REALLY LOOK AT AND IDENTIFY WHERE WE WANT TO PUT 'EM AT AND UM, [00:55:01] UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT TO SELL. SO, BUT I, I DO AGREE THAT WE, WE SHOULD MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE GONNA, WE GIVEN YOU GUYS ARE GONNA GET STAFF DIRECTION TO COME BACK WITH SOME, SOME NUMBERS FOR US AND HOPEFULLY, UH, BY OUR NEXT MEETING WE WOULD'VE IDENTIFIED THE PLACES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT 'EM AT, SO, OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTION? YES. JUST FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST TO HAVE A, AN AREA TYPE SIGN AND YOU ALL WOULD DETERMINE HOW MANY OR THE LOCATION THAT YOU WANT, THE LARGER SIGNS. UH, DO YOU WANT JUST THAT UP? YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST TO HAVE A NORMAL, UM, SINGULAR PROPERTY SIGN THAT WILL GO ON INDIVIDUAL LINE AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE IN, IN AREA. SO JUST WANT CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. I THINK WE WOULD NEED ALL OF IT SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO COMPARE IT AGAINST WITH THE SMALLER QR CODE, SINGLE SIGNS ALONG WITH WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR THE LARGER SIGNS AND ALSO WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE AS IT RELATED TO THE, UH, CITY, UH, SAYING THAT WE COULD OR COULD NOT PUT 'EM ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY THAT WERE NOT IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA. WELL, A GOOD NUMBER WOULD BE IF THEY COULD GET A D, UH, AN EXACT QUOTE, SAY A QUOTE FOR FIVE LARGE SIGNS, 20 YARD SIGNS. THE LARGEST SIGNS WOULD BE, I WOULD ASSUME APPROXIMATELY THREE, THREE BY FIVE. AND THE YARD SIGNS ARE STANDARD SIZE. SO 20 YARD SIGNS, FIVE LARGE SIGNS. WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT THAT? NOT, NOT GET THEM, BUT GET THE QUOTE YEAH. COST. AND WHEN THEY GIVE THE QUOTES, IF THEY ALSO GIVE US THE PRICE PER EACH, THEN WE WOULD KNOW HOW MUCH WE WANT TO INCREASE OR DECREASE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD START. BUT THAT'LL BE A GOOD START AND UM, A GOOD NUMBER TO DEAL WITH IN MY OPINION. YEAH, I MEAN I THINK IT'S, I I I THINK WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, REPEATING OURSELVES IF WE GO AND, AND, AND GET A, A QUOTE ON A YARD SIGN, UH, IS ONE OPTION, THEN IF YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT A LARGER SIGN THEN GET THE QUOTE ON THAT. UM, THE NUMBER AND THOSE THINGS. I, IT'S HARD TO GET, IN MY OPINION, IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY LOTS WE'RE GONNA, HOW MANY LOTS ARE ACTUALLY SELLABLE TO BUILD UPON AT THE CURRENT MOMENT. AT LEAST I DON'T. SO I JUST THINK A YARD SIDE TO MARKET, WHAT WE HAVE, I THINK IS APPROPRIATE TO, TO GET SOME NUMBERS ON FOR SURE. SO, AND JUST TO QUANTIFY, PUT IT IN A STRUCTURE, I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE, THE, THE, THE FIVE BIG SIGNS THAT'S, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA PUT THOSE OUT, BUT THEN IF WE CAN GET THE COST OF THE LITTLE SIGNS AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM HOW MANY LOTS WE HAVE AND THEN WE REVERSE ENGINEER HOW MANY ARE SELLABLE AND THEN WE ALL CAN MULTIPLY, WE CAN COME UP WITH IT. I MEAN THAT'S ALL WE NEED. ARE THE SPECS JUST ALRIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, MR. WIND, THE, UH, SECOND PART WITH THE CDBG ELEMENT ACTIVITIES, UH, IN YOUR PACKAGE YOU ALSO GOT A, UH, COPY OF THE ITEMS THAT MAKES THAT, THAT ARE ELIGIBLE, UH, ACTIVITIES, UM, ASK YOU ALL TO, TO LOOK IT OVER AND IF SOMETHING ON THERE, UH, STANDS OUT THAT YOU ALL WANT TO, UH, STAFF TO LOOK FURTHER, I CAN GET IN CONTACT WITH THE, UH, OUR COORDINATOR FOR CDG AND, AND SEE HOW FEASIBLE IT IS. BUT, UM, WE ASK IF, IF YOU ALL, UM, LOOK IT OVER AND, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, SOME TYPE OF ACTIVITY THAT YOU ALL WANT US TO PURSUE IN, LOOK IT OVER, SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, WE WOULD'VE TO APPLY FOR THIS. OR IS THERE ALREADY CURRENT CBDG FUNDS AVAILABLE? IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. I MEAN, ALL THESE ACTIVITIES ARE ONES THAT, UH, THE CDBG UM, COORDINATOR THAT SAID THESE ARE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND IT JUST DEPEND ON WHAT YOU, WHICH ACTIVITY YOU'RE INTERESTED IN. BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, I MEAN THERE'S SEVERAL ITEMS ON LOOK THROUGH IT AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ARE INTERESTED IN, WE CAN HAVE IT, YOU ALL CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AND THEN, UM, NEXT TIME, UM, WE SHOULD HAVE THE CDBG COORDINATOR HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. UM, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, I'LL BE MORE HAPPY TO, TO TAKE ON THOSE QUESTIONS AND, AND HAVE THAT, UM, THE COORDINATOR ADDRESS 'EM AND I CAN EITHER GET IT BACK TO Y'ALL INDIVIDUALLY, BUT WE CAN HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. AND THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION I NEED TO AWAIT TO NEXT MEETING, BUT IF YOU KNOW THIS WILL THIS BE A, UM, A BLOCK OF MONEY [01:00:01] SUCH AS I SEE THAT HOME OWNERSHIP ASSISTANCE SUCH AS DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AND INTER SUBSIDIES. THEN YOU SEE CONSTRUCTION OF HOUSING ASSISTED UNDER SECTION 17. WILL WE HAVE TO APPLY PER CONTRACT OR PER DEAL THAT WE WANT TO DO? OR WILL WE GET A BLOCK OF MONEY WHERE WE WILL HAVE THE LEISURE TO FUND HOUSING, BUILDING A HOUSE OR HELPING SOMEONE WITH A DOWN PAYMENT ON A HOUSE, OR THAT'S SOMETHING I NEED TO WAIT TILL NEXT WEEK TO FIND OUT. I BELIEVE THAT'D BE BETTER FOR THEM TO ANSWER, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU ALL, YOU ALL COULD COORDINATE SOME OF THOSE ACTIVITIES AND THEY WILL BE COORDINATED THROUGH THE C-C-B-B-G PROGRAM, UM, FOR WHATEVER THEY HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR THE DIFFERENT, UM, ACTIVITIES THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO DO AND, AND THAT THEY, DIFFERENT MONIES ARE THAT THEY HAVE, ARE ALLOCATED EACH YEAR FOR DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES. SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THE REQUEST IS, WOULD DEPEND ON HOW MANY FUNDS ARE IN THAT PARTICULAR ACTIVITY. TELL YOU, AND I, AND I'LL JUST CAUTION THE BOARD AS AS WE READ DOWN THROUGH THIS, UH, JUST REMEMBER YOU MA EUBANK, UH, THAT'S WHAT I JUST TOLD HIM. WE DID IT WITH EUBANK. SO, AND WHAT DID YOU ALL DO WITH IT? SO THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS THAT COME, THAT ARE ATTACHED MM-HMM . FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME THAT CAN BE CUMBERSOME TO DEAL WITH AS YOU'RE UNWINDING BACK INTO A TRANSACTION. EXTREME TO CUMBERSOME, A YEAR'S WORTH OF CUMBERSOME. SO, AND, AND MONEY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. WORTH IT. JUST DEPENDS. I KNOW IT'S A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT, BUT, ALRIGHT. UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, UH, B THREE HOUSING. UH, WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE STEWART. YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, OBVIOUSLY I WAS CO-CHAIR WITH, UH, MR. DILLA HUNT AND HAVE, UH, OBVIOUSLY, UM, TAKEN ON THAT ROLE. MARVIN, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN PERHAPS PUT THIS UNDER THE, THE GLASS FOR EVERYONE TO SEE? IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE. UH, YEAH, THE FIRST ONE IS, I THINK IT'S GONNA WORK OUT TONIGHT. UM, SO CAN YOU SLIDE DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT? THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. SO GUYS, SO I, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT JUST BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION YESTERDAY AND THEN UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S OWNED IN THE, UH, BY THE REDEVELOPMENT, UM, ON SECOND AND THIRD AVENUE. I'M SORRY, FIRST AND SECOND AVENUE THAT WE KIND OF HAD A VISUAL OF WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE. UH, AND SO I WENT AND LOOKED TODAY AND WAS ABLE TO PULL UP SOME INFORMATION AND THIS IS WHAT, AND, AND, AND THEN DIVING INTO THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, THERE'S THREE BLOCKS ON EACH AVENUE. SO THERE'S A 500 BLOCK, THE 600 BLOCK AND THE 700 BLOCK, UH, WHERE WE OWN THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY AT IS ON THE 700 BLOCK AND THE 600 BLOCK. UM, KIND OF IN OUR CONVERSATION IN TALKING ABOUT THE AVENUES PROJECT AND GAINING SOME CONTROL, UH, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT 7 0 3, 7 0 3, 7 0 5 AND 7 0 9, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT THERE. THAT'S SEVEN 11. UH, I WAS ABLE TO LOOK UP TODAY, UH, OF WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY. UH, AND THEN IF YOU GO TO AT SEVEN 17, WE OWN THAT. AND THEN THERE'S THREE MORE PARCELS THERE. EXCUSE ME. UH, 1, 2, 3, 4 MORE PARCELS THERE. I GUESS KIND OF TWOFOLD. UM, A TWOFOLD SITUATION. ONE IS THE CONVERSATION OF, UH, ACQUIRING, UH, AND POTENTIALLY TRYING TO ACQUIRE THAT METAL LOT THERE FROM, SO, MR. STEWART, I'M GONNA PAUSE YOU RIGHT THERE. IF YOU ALL WANT TO DISCUSS THE ACQUISITION OF PARTICULAR PROPERTIES, WE CAN GO INTO CLO CLOSED SESSIONS, DO THAT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO NEGOTIATE IN PUBLIC. OKAY. UM, BUT IF YOU JUST WANNA PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION, UM, YOU CAN DO THAT IN OPEN SESSION. OKAY. GOT IT. BOTTOM LINE IS, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO SEE WHAT WE OWN VISUALLY. UH, AND I THINK THAT, UH, US HAVING THAT VISUAL CAN OBVIOUSLY, UH, TALK TO, WE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT, UH, ENC CLOSED SESSION OR ANOTHER TIME. WHAT STRATEGY, STRATEGY WOULD BE IN INQUIRING ANY PROPERTY THAT WE SEE FOR SEE FIT. UH, THE, THE SECOND PIECE TO THAT, UH, IS UNDERSTANDING THAT IN CONVERSATION AND THEN LISTENING TO THE BOARD YESTERDAY, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS MOST FEASIBLE FOR US TO TRY AND GO, WELL, TWOFOLDS TO IT. IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS FEASIBLE FOR US TO TRY TO GO IN, UH, BUILD OUT OF OUR DOLLARS AND THEN SELL. IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS MORE FEASIBLE FOR US TO PARTNER WITH A [01:05:01] DEVELOPER AND LET THEM BUY THAT LOT AND THEN THEM DEVELOP ON THE LOT. UM, UM, UH, JAMIE, COULD YOU PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT? I WAS READING SOMETHING IN THE DOCUMENT. I THINK I ALSO WAS TALKING TO, UM, UH, CHAIRMAN DOVE. IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE DOCUMENT THAT SAID IF IT WAS A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION, THAT WE DID NOT HAVE TO SEND THAT OUT FOR UPSET BID. THAT THAT'S CORRECT. SO IN THE STATUTE, THE PUBLIC POLICY IS WE HAVE TO GET FAIR MARKET VALUE WHEN WE USE, WHEN WE'RE GETTING RID OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. RIGHT. SO THE EXCEPTION TO THAT RULE IS WHEN THERE IS AN ENTITY THAT'S CARRYING OUT A PUBLIC PURPOSE, SUCH AS, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, PUBLIC BODIES SUCH AS REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSIONS, CAN DO DIRECT SALES TO ENTITIES CARRYING OUT A PUBLIC PURPOSE. OKAY. AN EXAMPLE OF THIS IS THE WALT BELLA PROJECT, WHERE THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION SOLD THOSE THREE HOUSES TO THE BERN HOUSING AUTHORITY. THE BERN HOUSING AUTHORITY IS AN ENTITY CARRYING OUT A PUBLIC PURPOSE, SPECIFICALLY PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE WERE ABLE TO SELL DIRECTLY TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WITHOUT HAVING TO USE COMPETITIVE BIDDING TECHNIQUES. GOT IT. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. SO BOTTOM LINE IS JUST GETTING A VISUAL ON THIS, UH, AND THEN PERHAPS US HAVING SOME DIALOGUE ON STRATEGY AND MOVING FORWARD. THE NEXT THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT IN LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE FORMER ED AND THEN JUST HAVING A KNOWLEDGE BASE OF, UH, A, A PRIOR MEETING WE HAD, WE REPURCHASED A PROPERTY BACK, WHICH WAS THE, UH, UH, I THINK IT'S BLOOMFIELD STREET, UH, JUST KIND OF TRYING TO PUT THAT BACK ON OUR RADAR, UH, SEEING IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF PRIVATE PART, PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP THAT WE CAN LOOK FOR, UH, OR JUST AT LEAST PUTTING THAT BACK ON OUR PERIPHERAL TO SAY, HEY, UM, HOW, HOW DO WE GET SOMETHING DEVELOPED THERE? SO, UM, AGAIN, JUST ONE OF YOU GUYS TO GET A VISUAL OF WHAT WE ACTUALLY OWN THERE. IT'S EASY TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE, THE, THE ADDRESSES, BUT TO KIND OF SEE HOW IT'S LAID OUT. OBVIOUSLY, UH, WE HAVE A, A REALLY BIG PIECE OF, OF PROPERTY ON, ON, UH, FIRST AVENUE. UH, AND SO AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO, TO GIVE A VISUAL, UH, OF THAT. UM, SO THAT'S THAT. YEAH, NO, UH, CURRENT MR. CHAIR, FUTURE MR. CHAIR. DO WE NEED TO HAVE ANY KIND OF SPECIAL GROUP THAT'S TARGETED THAT, SO EVERYTHING, ALL THE CONVERSATIONS DON'T NEED TO TAKE PLACE HERE. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN KIND OF TAKING A LEADERSHIP ROLE. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO PARTNER OR DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER YOU PARTNERING WITH SOMEONE ELSE TO MORE FORMALLY MOVE FORWARD? YEAH, I MEAN, WHO, WHOEVER'S WILLING, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO MAYBE GET A GROUP COMMUNICATION. UM, UM, UM, WHOEVER'S WILLING, I DON'T WANT TO VOTE YOU, YOU'RE SAYING ON THE BOARD. MM-HMM . YEAH. I MEAN, WHO, WHOEVER'S WILLING, I WOULD LOVE YOUR ASSISTANCE. I MEAN, UH, TAMARA VICTOR. YEAH. UM, UH, ROBBIE, WHO, WHOEVER WANTS TO STEP UP. I THINK THAT WE JUST, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND COMING IN HERE ONCE A MONTH, IT, YOU KNOW, IS NOT GOING TO GET IT DONE. UM, SO US COLLECTIVELY WORKING, UH, DAY IN AND DAY OUT AS WE HAVE TIME THROUGH COMMUNICATION, TELEPHONE, TEXT, EMAIL. UM, BUT YES, I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE SOME ASSISTANCE ON THAT AS WE KIND OF TRY TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING. SO, UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN, UH, GIVING SOME SUPPORT TO THAT HOURS, THEREFORE, IT'S INCEPTION AND WHEN WE CHASED THOSE PROPERTIES DOWN, CHASED DOWN THE OWNERS AND DID THE HOMEWORK ON 'EM, AND IT WAS A, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD, IT WAS A BIG VICTORY FORCE TO BE ABLE TO ACQUIRE THOSE WITH THE, UH, ROADBLOCKS THAT WE RAN INTO. SO I WOULD DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING THE EFFORTS AND BEING A, A PART OF AT LEAST, UH, GIVING MY HISTORY OF THE FIRST AVENUES, UH, PROJECT. THANK YOU. I'LL JOIN YOU AS WELL, CHAIRMAN STEWART, UH, UH, BOARD. I WOULD ALSO, UH, GO OUT FOR YOU ALL'S CONSIDERATION IF, IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE THE STAFF TO LOOK INTO GETTING POTENTIALLY A CONTRACTOR THAT WOULD KNOW ABOUT WHAT, UM, OPTIONS YOU ALL WOULD HAVE. UH, IF WE CAN LOOK INTO SEEING HOW FEASIBLE THAT IS AND, AND HOW AFFORDABLE THAT IS, BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY SOME EXPERTISE THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT COULD REALLY GIVE Y'ALL SOME GOOD DIRECTION. UM, STAFF WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET OPTIONS AND BRING OPTIONS BACK TO YOU ALL [01:10:01] BY TIME NEXT MEETING OR, OR SOONER IF I GET SOMETHING SOON, I COULD SEND THAT OUT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A MATTER DOUBT. YEAH. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. THANK YOU. THANK, THANK YOU. AND MR. STEWART, JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOU HEARD, I THINK YOU GOT TO, I'M HAPPY TO BE INVOLVED FROM THE, I GUESS FROM, FROM THE OUTSIDE, FROM THE FAR, JUST BEING AWARE OF THE QUORUM REQUIREMENT, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT NINE. THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY A DISCUSSION YESTERDAY ABOUT GOING TO SEVEN. WE GO TO SEVEN, THEN FOUR GIVES YOU A PROBLEM AND THAT MAKES IT A PUBLIC MEETING. SO I CAN'T BE INVOLVED IN ANY KIND OF FORMAL GROUP GATHERINGS LIKE THAT. BUT YOU'VE GOT YOUR TWO, BUT I'M, I'M MORE THAN WIL WILLING TO HELP IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN. OKAY. ALRIGHT. GUY NUMBER TWO. UH, MR. STEWART BROWNFIELD GRANT USAGE? NO. UH, THAT MAY BE ON, WHO'S, WHO WAS GONNA BE ON THIS HOUSING BOARD IS GONNA BE MYSELF, ROBBIE TABARI. I'M INTERESTED, AND THIS IS WHERE WE CAN'T HAVE SO MANY, THIS IS AN INFORMAL GROUP OF, OF I THINK THREE IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. MM-HMM . STOP. SO, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? PLEASE. WOULD IT, UM, DOES IT HAVE TO BE ON PAPER OR DOES IT SIR JUST HAVE TO BE THE NUMBERS? BECAUSE RATHER THAN PUTTING SOMETHING ON PAPER, IF I CAN'T BE THERE, I WOULD YIELD TO STEVE, UH, BECAUSE OF HIS EXPERTISE AS IT RELATES AND HE WAS HERE DURING THAT, UH, SITUATION. ALSO, I'M JUST WANT TO BE THERE FOR THE, FOR THE KNOWLEDGE AND TO SEE IT MANIFEST AND, AND TO SEE IT GROW. BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY YIELD TO STEVE IF HE NEEDED TO BE ON PAPER TO SAY THAT HE WOULD BE ONE OF THE ONES THAT WOULD BE ASSISTING, UH, OUR CHAIRMAN. SO JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS YOU WANT TO HAVE AN INFORMAL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT EXPERTISE AND PERSPECTIVES TO SHARE AS IT RELATES TO THIS AVENUES PROJECT THAT IS BURGEONING, UM, SUCH THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL A FORMAL MEETING EVERY TIME YOU WANNA DISCUSS IT. RIGHT. THAT IS ENTIRELY PERMISSIBLE FOR YOU. ANY OF YOU ALL, IF YOU WANT TO GO AND HAVE COFFEE AFTER THIS MEETING AND DISCUSS WHATEVER IT'S YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT. SO AS LONG AS IT'S LESS THAN A FORM. ALRIGHT? OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO, AND THE CURRENT FORM IS FIVE. FIVE. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A OFFICIAL TITLE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A NAME, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS TO SHARE IDEAS OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING PROVIDED IT'S LESS THAN A FOUR. SO JUST FOR COMPLETE CLARIFICATION, IF I COME UP ON A MEETING AND IF THE CHAIRMAN, MR. DOVE, UH, CHAIR, CO-CHAIR AND STEVE ARE THERE, AND IF I COME UP AND IF I SEE THOSE FOUR THERE, THEN I COULD JUST BACK OUT AND JUST GO AHEAD AND LEAVE. YOU ARE THERE CONDUCTING BUSINESS AS IT RELATES TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION DELIBERATING DOING WHATEVER, AND THERE ARE FOUR OF YOU. WHEN THE FIFTH PERSON SHOWS UP, IT'S A MEETING THAT BECOMES AN ILLEGAL MEETING THAT WE HAVEN'T NOTICED AND WE DON'T WANT TO GO TO. BUT IF I JUST RIDE BY AND I SEE THOSE AND THEN I DON'T GO, THEN, THEN EVERYBODY ELSE IS STILL SAFE. NOBODY GOES TO OPEN MEETINGS JAIL. CORRECT. ETHICS BOARD. THANK YOU. COMING DOWN BROWNFIELD BROWNFIELD GRANT, THE, UH, THE BROWNFIELD GRANT INFORMATION WAS JUST INFORMATION THAT PULLED TO JUST THE HIGHLIGHT WHAT, UH, ACTUALLY WHAT ACT ACTIVITIES ARE ALLOWABLE FOR THE PARTICULAR ASSESSMENT GRANT THAT WE HAVE. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION OR FOR ONE OF THAT QUESTIONS, AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE, UM, DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT YOU USE IT FOR AND WHAT PRODUCT YOU WOULD GET OUT OF, UH, YOUR EXP EXPECT EXPECTED PRODUCT THAT YOU WOULD GET OUT UTILIZING ON, UM, THAT, BECAUSE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO THE QUESTION THAT, THAT THAT'S ALL IT IS. AND, UM, THERE WAS NOTHING MORE TO THAT LIST. UH, COMMISSIONER STEWART HAS MORE FOR YEAH, I GUESS MY ONLY REQUEST WOULD BE IF, IF YOU GUYS ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE FINE WITH THIS, IS THAT BECAUSE I, IT IT SEEMS TO BE MAYBE SOME, I DON'T WANNA SAY CONFUSION, BUT WHAT THE BROWNSFIELD GRANT IS, RYAN IS WILLING TO COME AND PRESENT TO US. I I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR ALL OF US TO HEAR FROM HIM SO THAT WE CAN STRATEGICALLY KIND OF WORK AROUND AND UNDERSTAND. SO IF YOU GUYS ARE, ARE FINE WITH THAT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IF IF YOU KNOW, I HAVE HIS CONTACT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MAYBE PERHAPS GET HIM ON THE NEXT AGENDA IF HE'S AVAILABLE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US TO HEAR FROM HIM DIRECTLY IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND THAT. OKAY. SO MARVIN, DO YOU, DO YOU WANT TO REACH OUT TO HIM? DO YOU WANT ME TO SHOOT HIM AN EMAIL DE JUST SHOOT HIM AN EMAIL JUST TO SEE IF HE'S ABLE TO PERHAPS IN ATTEND OUR NEXT MEETING AND JUST KIND OF GO OVER THE NUTS AND BOLTS FOR THE, FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO BROWSE FOR, UH, GRANT [01:15:01] USAGE, UM, COM. COMMISSIONER STEWART, DO YOU HAVE CONTACT AND, AND WITH, I MEAN, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO REACH OUT AND JUST ADVISE ME, UM, OF A CONTACT AND, AND THAT IF HE'S AVAILABLE FOR OUR NEXT MEETING OR IF YOU WANT TO DIRECT STAFF TO, TO TRY TO SET THAT UP. EITHER WAY WORKS, SO JUST HOWEVER YOU WANT PROCEED ARE, ARE YOU GUYS FINE WITH ME SHOOTING HIM AN EMAIL AND ASK HIM IF HE'S AVAILABLE FOR THE NEXT MEETING? OKAY. SO I'LL, I'LL SHOOT HIM AN EMAIL. I'LL CC YOU ON THAT EMAIL MARVIN TO, TO SEE IF HE IS AVAILABLE FOR THE NEXT MEETING, PERHAPS TO COME AND JUST BREAK SOME THINGS DOWN FOR US. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING HOUSING? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STEWART. UH, ON TO NUMBER FOUR, UH, B FOUR, THAT IS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, SHERIFF MORGAN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WORKING GROUP. UM, DOES NOT HAVE A REPORT TO BE GIVEN TODAY OR AN UPDATE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE YOU, UH, AS THIS COMES PER OUR CONVERSATION YESTERDAY THAT I DIDN'T COME UP ON ANY OPPOSITION AS IT RELATED TO THE COMMISSION OR THE, OR THE CHAIR BEING DIRECTLY IN INVOLVED IN ALL CITY ACTIVITY THAT GOES ON WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA, WHETHER IT BE, UH, BY EMAIL, UM, OR BY WHATEVER MEANS. BUT I THINK THAT THE CHAIR, UH, OUR, OUR NEW CHAIR SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT HE IS INCLUDED, WHETHER IT BE BY EMAIL OR BY LETTER THAT WE SUBMIT OR THAT HE SUBMITS TO THE, UM, CITY AS IT RELATES TO, UH, PUBLIC WORKS, ESPECIALLY PARKS IN, IN RECS. JUST SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN IDEA OF THE ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA. UM, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE BENEFICIAL. IT'S GONNA BRING, UH, US CLOSER TO KNOWING WHAT'S, UH, GOING ON WHEN THERE ARE ROAD CLOSURES, WHEN THERE ARE, UH, TEMPORARY, PERMANENT OR ANY OTHER CHANGES TO PARKS AND RECS. WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE, UH, FIELDS, WHAT'S THE, UH, PLAN AND JUST WHAT IS, UH, GONNA BE UPDATED FROM HENCEFORTH. SO, UH, THAT IS BASICALLY AN UPDATE AND NOT NECESSARILY A REPORT. IT SEEMED LIKE IT DID GO WELL WITH THE, UH, STAFF AND ALSO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN YESTERDAY, AND IT SEEMED LIKE EVERYBODY WAS IN AGREEMENT. THANK YOU. BOARD. ALSO, WHAT I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT IS I KNOW I, I INDICATED THAT I WOULD TRY TO, UH, WHEN, WHEN I FIRST, UH, TOOK OVER THIS ROLE TEMPORARILY THAT I WOULD TRY TO PUSH OUT TO YOU ALL THE WEEKLY MANAGERS REPORTS, WHICH, UH, BUT I ALSO INDICATED THAT THOSE ARE PRESENT ON THE WEBPAGE EVERY, EVERY WEEK. A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S GOING ON OR UPCOMING IS ALWAYS IN THAT, THOSE REPORT. AND I'LL, I'LL GO BACK TO TRYING TO PUSH THOSE OUT WEEKLY. UH, YOU ALL, UH, GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT AND, AND IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR, IT'S BROKEN DOWN IN A LOT OF SECTIONS FOR BY THE WARD. SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THE WARD, UH, ONE, UH, TWO AND FIVE, WHICH WOULD MAINLY PERTAIN TO YOU ALL, UH, YOUR AREA. BUT A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION IS SEND THAT AND I'LL BE MORE, I TRY TO PUSH THAT OUT. IF YOU DON'T GET IT OR I BILL STICK UP, SEND THAT OUT. YOU CAN EITHER SEND ME AN EMAIL AS A REMINDER OR YOU CAN GO ON A WEBSITE AND, AND LOOK AT YOURSELF BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S POSTED WEEKLY. THANK YOU, MARVIN. THAT WOULD COVER A LOT OF MY CONCERN. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ON TO THE, ANY MORE QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY OF THE WORK GROUP REPORTS? ALRIGHT, IF NOT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE STAFF REPORTS, UH, [10. Staff Report] FINANCIAL UPDATES. OKAY. WITH THE, UH, OUR CURRENT, UM, THE NEWEST, UM, FINANCIAL REPORT IS STILL THE SAME AS LAST MONTH. UH, YOU ALL HAVE RIGHT AT $900,000, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, PRESENTED. BUT THERE ARE SOME, UH, FEES THAT HAVE BEEN OR WILL BE, UH, DRAWN OUT THAT ABOUT $1,500 OF ADVERTISING FEES THAT WE'VE DONE, UM, JUST NOW GETTING THE POS FOR THOSE SO THAT THAT AMOUNT WILL BE COMING UP, UH, UH, BEFORE THE NEXT FINANCIAL REPORT COMES OUT, AS WELL AS AROUND A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE MOWING THAT ALL THE, UM, THE LOTS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION GETS MOWED, UM, THAT, THAT FEE WILL BE COMING UP. SO YOU ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT $2,500 WILL BE COMING OFF OF THAT, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME FOR NOW. ANY QUESTION REGARDING BUDGET? THAT $1,000 CHARGE THAT'S FOR YEAR TO DATE OR CORRECT? WELL, IT [01:20:01] IS, UH, THE ANNUAL FEE THAT THEY CHARGE AND I BELIEVE IT'S 900 AND 900 SOMETHING DOLLARS. BUT THAT'S THE BILL THAT WE, WE'VE GOTTEN, UH, FOR THIS PAST, UM, THIS, THIS UPCOMING SEASON. WHEN OKAY. CAN YOU REFRESH US, I MEAN, NOT NOT ON THE SPOT, BUT JUST WHENEVER YOU GET A CHANCE ON WHAT, I GUESS THE, THE CADENCE BEHIND THAT IS OR HOW, HOW THEY EYEBALL IT? I MEAN, ARE THEY JUST WAITING, WAITING UNTIL THIS JUST SHORT OF BEING A PROBLEM AND THEN COMING THROUGH WITH A TRACTOR OR WHAT? I, I CAN ACTUALLY GET THE, THE SCHEDULE, BUT THEY DO HAVE A ROTATION THAT THAT, THAT THEY HAVE FOR, EVEN FOR THE CITY LOTS AS WELL. MM-HMM . THERE'S A CERTAIN ROTATION AND I WANT TO SAY IT IS AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH, BUT I'M NOT SURE DURING WHEN IT'S RAINING AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, PARTS OF THE SEASON, THEY, THEY DO MORE OR LESS JUST DEPEND ON AVAILABILITY AND, AND, UH, PERSONNEL GETTING AROUND. BUT I CAN SEE IF I CAN GET A A, A BETTER DATE AND TIMEFRAME OF WHEN THEY ARE IN THAT AREA, BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW OFTEN THEY GO BY THOSE LOTS. YEAH. BUT JUST FOR A GENERAL IDEA. 'CAUSE PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS ABOUT US KIND OF LEADING THE WAY AND I'VE HEARD COMMENTS HERE AND THERE ABOUT SOME OF OUR LOTS NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING THE BEST IN THE WORLD AT CERTAIN TIMES, ESPECIALLY AS YOU GET LATER INTO THE SUMMER AND THAT THAT RAIN COMES AND PRIORITIES START SHIFTING. YEAH, I I, I'D LIKE TO BE AWARE OF THAT JUST FOR PAYING FOR IT. WE GOT A RIGHT ASK FOR IT. TOTALLY AGREE. LESS, LESS MOWING THAN THE WINTER. MORE MORNING THAN THE SUNDAY. SO, OKAY. UH, UH, THE NEXT THING ON THERE, I WANTED TO MAKE A CORRECTION THAT WAS MADE FROM THE LAST MEETING, UH, WHEN I WAS, UH, TALKING ABOUT THAT HABITAT AND THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND, AND, UM, OUR FORMER CHAIR HAD HAD A DISCUSSION WITH, WITH THEM, UH, OVER THE ABILITY TO, UH, HABITAT WAS APPLIED FOR A PARTICULAR LOAN. I MEAN A PARTICULAR GRANT. WELL, THE GRANT FELL OUT. THEY DID NOT GET IT BECAUSE, UH, HABITAT WAS, UH, INDICATED THAT THE GRANT, UM, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR PROJECTS THAT WERE FIVE TO $10 MILLION AND HABITAT WAS NOT ABLE TO, UM, UH, MAINTAIN THE CAPACITY FOR THAT REQUEST. UH, AND LAST MEETING WAS MISSPOKEN. IT SAID IT WAS HOUSING AUTHORITY, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY HABITAT NOT HOUSE AUTHORITY. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE, MAKE THAT, THAT CORRECTION. SO, UH, THAT WAS THE HABITAT THAT COULDN'T, UH, THAT THAT OKAY. MADE THAT APPLICATION AND NOT GRANTED. OKAY. CORRECTIONS. THE LAST THING, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON MANUFACTURE HOMES, I THINK PRIOR TO THE MEETING THAT YOU ALL HAD. I THINK THAT THE OTHER OPTIONS SEEMED LIKE, UH, THE BOARD, UH, AND I COULD BE INCORRECT ON THIS, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE THE BOARD WANTS TO LEAN MORE TOWARDS THE AVENUES PROJECT. SO THE IDEA OF THE MANUFACTURE HOMES MAY BE PUT ON HOLD UNLESS YOU ALL WANT TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO CONTINUE FORWARD WITH THAT. ONE OF THE OPTIONS THOUGH, UH, DISCUSSION ON, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD WANTED TO CONTINUE WITH THE, UM, OVERLAY RESTRICTION OF NOT HAVING MANUFACTURED HOMES IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSIONS OF, UH, WITH THAT RESTRICTION, IT, IT, IT TAKES AWAY SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOMES WITH SOME PEOPLE IN THAT AREA WHO MAY WANNA CONSIDER PUTTING A MANUFACTURE HOME PROPERTY, EITHER BUY FROM A REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION OR PUT ON PROPERTY THAT THEY CURRENTLY OWN. WELL, WHEN WE SAY MANUFACTURE HOMES, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A, A DOUBLE WIDE OR A TRAILER. I MEAN, THINK IT'S NOT BROUGHT IN ON AN AXLE. HUH? WHAT WAS THAT ROB FOR? WHAT'S NOT BROUGHT IN ON AN AXLE? THOSE ARE RIGHT. THE DOUBLE WIDES ARE BROUGHT IN ON AN AXLE. RIGHT. SO, SO WE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, IF YOU SEE THE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, UM, FLOOR PLANS AND THE EXTERIOR OF THESE HOUSES, A LOT OF THESE, THEY JUST HOMES BUILT ON THE INSIDE PROTECTED FROM WEATHER. AND WHEN IT'S SET ON A FOUNDATION, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? AND IF IT'S A ORDINANCE, ANYTHING, WE AS A REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION CAN CHANGE THAT BY OUR OWN INTEREST. IT, IT, IT, UH, COMMISSIONER DOUGLAS IS REALLY JUST A, UH, IS A STYLE OF HOME AND THERE ARE A LOT OF NEW RESTRICTIONS THAT HAVE COME INTO PLAY SINCE THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FIRST CAME ON BOARD WHEN THEY DID NOT WANT THE APPEARANCE OF WHAT USED TO BE CLASSIFIED AS A MOBILE HOME. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THEY'RE DIFFERENT THAN THAT NOW YOU JUST GOTTA PICK THE RIGHT ONE. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. THERE'S, IT IS A BIGGER DIFFERENCE THAN THAT. I, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, BUT IF THE BOARD IS INTERESTED, WE CAN, WE CAN AGAIN, HAVE SOMEONE TO COME WHO CAN ANSWER THE MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS. UH, I I'VE SEEN 'EM, THERE'S, UM, THERE ARE EXAMPLES, UM, GOING TOWARDS, UM, RIVER, UM, IS IT RIVER BEND VILLE? YEAH. DOWN INTO VILLE [01:25:01] AREA. BUT, UH, WHICH I MEAN IF, IF YOU ALL ARE INTERESTED, UH, WE CAN, UM, I CAN GIVE YOU ALL A CONTACT AND YOU CAN GO LOOK AT 'EM OR YOU, WE CAN HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE COME AND TALK WITH, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN OPTION OF SOME POTENTIAL AFFORDABLE HOMES THAT CAN GO ON PROPERTIES THAT REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION CURRENTLY OWNS, OR PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY OTHER HOMEOWNERS THAT'S AFFORDABLE. JUST, JUST ANOTHER OPTION. AND CURRENTLY YOU ALL HAVE AN OVERLAY RESTRICTION THAT WILL NOT ALLOW THAT IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA. SO, SO THE LAST PART OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID, YOU SAID CURRENTLY THE RESTRICTION DOES NOT ALLOW US TO DO 'EM. THE OVERLAY IT SAYS MANUFACTURING, WHICH SUPERSEDES THE OVERLAY. I I MISSED THAT. WHICH SUPER. SO FOR MANUFACTURING, THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A, THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A, A, A PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO, I GUESS WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT OF THEM PRESENTING OR, OR TELLING US THIS INFORMATION IF CURRENTLY WE COULD NOT DO IT, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE COULD WORK WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO POTENTIALLY CHANGE THAT ZONING TO BE ABLE TO USE IT. SO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN SETS THE ORDINANCES. IF YOU ALL IN YOUR STUDY OF THIS ISSUE, THINK THAT THE LAW SHOULD BE CHANGED, UM, AS A BOARD OF THE CITY OF NEW BERN, YOU CAN ASK FOR THE, THE LANDYS ORDINANCE TO BE CHANGED TO REFLECT, UM, YOUR FINDINGS. AND THE ORDINANCE SAID, I THOUGHT THE ORDINANCE SAID TRAILERS. I KNOW I MANUFACTURER HOMES. I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS, I DISCUSSED THIS WITH SOME PEOPLE OF POWER AND INTELLIGENCE, BUT I STILL GET HUNG UP ON THIS NUMBER THREE PERSON ZONING ADJUSTMENTS WHERE IT SAYS THAT WE, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION HAVE THE POWER TO COMPLETELY PLAN REPLAN REZONE ZONE ANY PART OF OUR TARGETED REDEVELOPMENT TRACK. AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN CORRECTED BY BOTH OF YOU ALL, BUT IT JUST DOES NOT SAY THAT WE HAVE TO, IT SEEMS LIKE THE ALTMAN GAVE US THAT AUTHORITY TO DO THAT IN OUR AREA. NO, NO, SIR. UH, THE, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENACT LAWS. YOU COULD CERTAINLY REQUEST A MAP AMENDMENT TO INITIATE A REZONING, UM, TO INITIATE INITIAL ZONING IF A PROPERTY IS UPZONED TO INITIATE THE PROCESS TO CHANGE THE LAW. BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE UNILATERAL AUTHORITY THAT THE BOARD OF ALMAN HAS NOT SEATED THEIR LAWMAKING AUTHORITY TO THIS POINT. THAT'S WHAT, AND WHEN MAKE THAT REQUEST, IT BECOMES A SLIPPERY SLOPE. YEAH. SO MY QUESTION IS, BASED ON WHAT HE JUST READ, HOW, HOW ELSE WOULD THAT BE INTERPRETED? I'M SORRY, BASED ON WHAT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER DOVE JUST READ. THANK YOU. HOW, HOW ELSE COULD THAT BE INTERPRETED? SO HE'S REFERENCING SOME LANGUAGE IN ARTICLE 22 OF 1 68, I'M ASSUMING, 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENT IN FRONT. IS IS THAT ACCURATE, GUYS? IS THAT IS, ARE YOU REFERENCING THAT ARTICLE, VICTOR? YES, YES. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. UM, SO WE HAVE TO READ ARTICLE 22 IN CONCERT WITH THE REST OF CHAPTER ONE 60 A, WHICH SETS OUT ALL THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF MUNICIPAL DOCUMENTS. WHEN YOU READ THOSE STATUTES TOGETHER, OBVIOUSLY THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSIONS HAVE ROBUST POWERS IN THEIR, THEIR AREA OF JURISDICTION, BUT THEY DO NOT SU SUPERSEDE THE POWERS GIVEN BY THE LEGISLATURE TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. I I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND ANY AUTHORITY ANYWHERE. YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND A CASE IN NORTH CAROLINA THAT SAYS REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSIONS HAVE UNILATERAL AUTHORITY TO PASS LAWS. I YOU'RE NOT . YEAH, I MEAN, I, THE WAY I'VE KIND OF SURMISED WHAT WAS JUST READ IN MY HEAD, WE AS A BOARD HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE A REQUEST OF THE CITY TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE COLLECTIVELY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M GOING ON THE WRONG PATH HERE, BUT WE COLLECTIVELY CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST FOR SOMETHING IN OUR ZONE. I COULD NOT GO TO THE CITY. WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE THAT REQUEST. WE HAVE THE STANDING TO MAKE THAT REQUEST AS A COMMISSION. I I COULD NOT GO TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN ON BEHALF OR AS ME AND SAY, I WANT YOU TO REZONE ROBBIE'S PROPERTY. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO IN THE PAST YOU HAVE EXECUTED THAT AUTHORITY. YOU, THIS BOARD ASKED THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN TO REZONE THE PROPERTIES BLOOM LOCATED ON BLOOMFIELD STREET. IT WAS BLOOMFIELD STREET. SO YOU, YOU UTILIZE THIS PROCESS ALREADY. I SEE YOUR REDEVELOPMENT PLAN SETS OUT SOME POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY OF NEW BERN AS IT RELATED TO MINIMUM LOT SIZE SETBACKS OFF, UM, ONSITE PARKING, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BY PASSING THAT PLAN, Y'ALL DID NOT CREATE A LAW, RIGHT? YOU ALL PRESENTED THAT PLAN TO THE GOVERNING BOARD. IT WAS APPROVED BY THE GOVERNING BOARD AND THEREAFTER THE GOVERNING BOARD ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE CODIFYING THE REQUEST THAT YOU ALL MADE. SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE [01:30:01] PRECEDENT THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING WITH THIS PUBLIC BODY FOR THE LAST HOWEVER MANY YEARS IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE. SO I I I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S SOME CONFUSION AND TENSION IN THAT TEXT. UM, AND, AND I'M HAPPY TO BE WRONG. SO IF SOMEBODY FINDS A CASE IN NORTH CAROLINA THAT SAYS THAT REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSIONS CAN PASS LAWS, I'M HAPPY TO REFLECT ON THAT. UM, BUT THAT IS NOT THE ADVICE THAT I'M GIVING YOU ALL TODAY. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. WELCOME. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, . SO SHE'S RIGHT. SO I THINK THE, THE QUESTION AT THIS POINT, YOU'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT. COUNSEL, YOU RIGHT YOU RIGHT. DISC CLAIM RIGHT IN. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SHOUT OUT TO THE, I ALWAYS TRUST YOU THOUGH. GOOD JOB. GOOD. MAKING SURE I KNOW THE LAW. SO, UM, I THINK WHAT STAFF IS ASKING FOR AT THIS POINT IS SOME DIRECTION ON THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING CONVERSATION. IF THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE, WE CERTAINLY CAN FACILITATE THAT. BUT IF IT'S NOT A CONVERSATION THAT'S RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT, WE CAN PUT IT IN THE HOPPER FOR A LATER DAY. IS IT, I I, I KNOW HE'S NOT HERE TO SPEAK FOR THIS. I, I KNOW WE WERE YESTERDAY. WHAT WAS IT REFERENCING BY ALDERMAN TREY? WAS IT REFERENCING MANUFACTURER HOMES OR WAS IT A, A DIFFERENT, THE ALDERMAN WAS SPEAKING OF, UM, UH, MODULAR HOMES. I MEAN, AND THERE IS A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. AND AGAIN, THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT WOULD BE BETTER TAKEN UP BY SOMEONE WHO DEALS IN BOTH. AND, AND I'VE SEEN THE TWO DIFFERENCES INSIDE, INSIDE 'EM, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO KNOW. THE DIFFERENCE ONE THOUGH IS THE MANUFACTURING HOME HAS A TONGUE AND AXLE ON IT, BUT THE, THE TONGUE AND EVERYTHING IS REMOVED AND THEN, UH, THEY BOTH HAVE BRICK AROUND THE BASELINE, SO YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHICH ONE YOU WOULD HAVE. BUT THE MODULAR HOME IS ONE THAT'S BUILT A STICK BUILT OFF SITE AND IT'S ALMOST JUST LIKE A REGULAR HOUSE. AND THEY, AND THEY MOVE IT IN, IT HAS NO, UM, IT'S JUST BROUGHT IN ON A, ON BASICALLY A TRAILER JUST SAT DOWN ON THE FOUNDATION WHERE THE, UM, MANUFACTURER HOME IS ONE THAT COMES IN ON ITS OWN, UH, TRAILER BASE AND THEY JUST, UH, DETACHED THE, UH, THE AX, I MEAN THE AXLE DROP PART OFF OF IT. IT ITS ON IT, IT, THE TWO HAS A, LIKE A FOUNDATION THAT THEY BUILD AROUND. SO IF YOU WALKED INTO ONE OR THE OTHER, THE NEWER MODELS THAT HAVE THE NEW STANDARDS, YOU WOULDN'T REALLY NOTICE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, IN MY OPINION, WHAT IS, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S RULES THAT SUPPORT THE MODULAR HOMES. NOW. MODULAR HOMES ARE PERMITTED, MODULAR HOMES ARE STICK BUILT HOMES THAT COMPLY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CODE. SO, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, COULD, COULD WE NOT HAVE SOME, COULD WE NOT HAVE SOME DIRECTION TO GET INFORMATION ON MODULAR HOMES THAT ARE NOW PERMISSIBLE? WELL, THE, THE, THE PERSON THAT, THAT I KNOW OF THAT, THAT SELLS THE MANUFACTURER HOME ALSO SELLS ULAR HOMES. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING THEY GIVE YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT MODULAR HOMES ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN MANUFACTURER HOMES. MM-HMM . SO THAT, THAT IS A CONSIDERATION AS WELL. YEAH. AND THEY'RE PERMITTED. SO I MEAN THOSE ARE ALLOWED RIGHT NOW. CORRECT. UNTIL YOU CHANGE. CORRECT. THE MANUFACTURER HOMES ARE THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE TO PERHAPS ACTION RULES TO BE CHANGED ON. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS, IS ARE YOU GUYS OPPOSED TO THAT PERSON COMING TO PRESENT GETTING SOME INFORMATION IN REGARDS TO THAT AND WE, AND IT, IT'LL CLARIFY THOSE TWO DIFFERENT STYLE HOMES AS WELL. CORRECT. BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S THE SAME PERSON, IS THAT CORRECT? MARTIN, THE ONE THAT I KNOW, YES. OKAY. THEY, THEY SELL BOTH, BOTH STYLE. I I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL. AND I, I WAS MAKING A MISTAKE, I WAS REFERRING TO THE MODULAR HOME, NOT THE MANUFACTURER WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, THE WAY YOU WERE JUST EXPLAINING IT. BUT WHEN I WAS SPEAKING, THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. NOW AS FAR AS SOMEONE COMING TO EXPLAIN, I WANT TO KNOW IS THAT FOR THE PUBLIC TO HEAR, 'CAUSE WE ALL FAMILIAR WITH WHAT A MODULAR VERSUS A MANUFACTURER HOME IS. SO AS FAR AS WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT TYPE OF STYLE OF HOME, I SAY THAT WE CAN JUST CONTACT SOME MODULAR HOME BUILDERS. WELL, I THINK YOU, YOU GONNA WORK VERSUS HAVING, HAVING SOMEBODY COME IN ONE THING, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T SELL JUST ONE BRAND. I MEAN THEY, THEY HAVE MULTIPLE COMPANIES YEAH. MULTIPLE COMPANIES THROUGH THIS, UM, THROUGH, THROUGH THIS ONE PARTICULAR VENDOR. IT'S NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO UH, BASICALLY SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO DO SOME KIND OF BUSINESS WITH THIS ONE PARTICULAR VENDOR, BUT THIS IS ONE THAT I KNOW SELLS DIFFERENT [01:35:01] MODULAR HOME BY DIFFERENT COMPANIES. AND THERE'LL BE SOMEONE THAT CAN PROVIDE THE INFORMATION. NOT SAYING THAT WE WILL CONTRACT WITH THAT PARTICULAR, UH, COMPANY. SO, AND THAT'S WHAT I, AND THAT'S WHAT I, I THINK THAT ANY INFORMATION WILL BE GOOD INFORMATION. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I TOTALLY AGREE. WELL, I, I WON'T DISAGREE, BUT I WILL ALSO SAY I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR SOMEBODY TO COME TO A MEETING AND SPEAK TO US 30 MINUTES AND TELL US WHAT A MODULAR HOME IS. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CREATING COMMITTEES, WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND WE KNOW WHAT A MODULAR HOME IS. WE CAN CONTACT THE COMPANY THAT DOES 'EM GET PARAPHERNALIA AND PRESENT IT TO OURSELVES KNOWING THE STANDARDS THAT THE HOMES HAVE AND THAT THEY MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE CITY. WHAT'S THE USE OF HAVING SOMEBODY COME AND TALK TO US FOR 30 MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW? 'CAUSE YOU'RE IN HOUSING, I KNOW YOU KNOW ABOUT I MODULAR HOME AND MAYBE IT ONLY TAKES 'EM FIVE MINUTES. IT TAKES A GOOGLE SEARCH. I UNDERSTAND. FOR, FOR ME, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PERSON COME AND MAYBE PERHAPS PRESENT TO US AND GET THAT INFORMATION. WELL, I'LL LISTEN TO 'EM. I, I, Y'ALL DIDN'T SEE, YEAH, I THINK INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT AND I, AND I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE COMING TO GIVE US THAT INFORMATION. IF WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT, LET'S VOTE ON IT. BUT I I, I, I'LL READ IT. JUST GET HIM TO COME. COOL. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL. AND, AND I, IF, IF, IF YOU ALL WANT TO DO THAT AS FIVE OR ONE OR TWO OR THREE, FOUR OF YOU ALL WANT TO GET TOGETHER ONE EVENING, WE CAN JUST DRIVE AND, AND PUT EYEBALLS ON IT. I'M, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO, TO, UM, BASICALLY COORDINATE THAT. BUT, UH, OR, OR WE CAN JUST HAVE A PERSON COME SPEAK. BUT HOWEVER Y'ALL WANNA PROCEED, I, AGAIN, INFORMATION, INFORMATION, EDUCATING YOURSELF IS IMPORTANT. AND I THINK LISTENING YESTERDAY AND TO HAVE THAT AS AN OPTION OR AT LEAST KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO. SO WHATEVER WAY YOU GUYS WANNA DO IT, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE'S TIME IS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, TIGHT. SO TO ME, HAVING THAT PERSON COME HERE WHILE, WHILE WE HAVE A STANDING MEETING IS, IS THE WAY TO GO. BUT I, I'M MORE THAN FLEXIBLE TO TO, TO GO IF OTHER PEOPLE ARE. SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU GUYS. JUST LET ME KNOW. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE, I WOULD LOVE TO GET THE EDUCATION AND INFORMATION. OKAY. 'CAUSE WITH THE PRESENTATION YOU GET THE COST RANGE AND YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS, YOU GET EVERYTHING. YEAH. FROM THE SUBJECT MATTER SPECIALIST. I, I LIKE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, SO, OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. OUR NEXT MEETING IS, UH, [11 . Next Meeting: July 8, 2026] JULY 8TH, 2026. PLEASE SET YOUR CALENDAR. UH, THERE'S, IS, THERE'S NO NEED TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION IS NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. NO SIR. OKAY. UH, COUNSEL. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO AT THIS TIME, YOU, ANYONE WHO WANNA MAKE A MOTION, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE MEETING. MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE SECOND IT A, UH, IS BEEN MOTION AND SECONDED ALL THE SAY AYE. A A AYE. AND WE ARE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.