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          OKAY. 
          GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE JUNE 16TH. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING OUR 2020 SIXTH SUMMER RETREAT, 2026. 
          SOMEBODY SKIPPED AHEAD A YEAR ON ME. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, WELCOME EVERYBODY. 
          UH, IF YOU WOULD BOW WITH PEOPLE. 
          QUIT WORKING FOR HEAVEN. 
          FOLLOW. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER DAY. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEAD. 
          WE ASK THAT YOU READ GOD IN THE RIGHT. 
          OUR ACTIONS TODAY. 
          NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. 
          AMEN. 
          YOU TO STAND. 
          WE DO SO. 
          PGI PLEDGE, STATES OF AMERICA, AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          MADAM CLERK DERMAN FERGUSON. 
          HERE. 
          ERMAN BRYANT. 
          HERE. 
          DERMAN ASTOR. 
          HERE. 
          MAYOR ODOM. 
          HERE. 
          ERMAN WHITE. 
          HERE. 
          DERMAN BEST GRE DERMAN OUTLAW. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO CONSIDER ADOPTING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS AS FOLLOWS. 
          AND I'LL PASS THIS ALONG TO, OKAY, I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT HARMS TO, TO, TO REVIEW THESE ITEMS. ALRIGHT, FOR THE FIRST ITEM IS CONSIDERING ADOPTING THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS AS FOLLOWS. 
          AND THERE ARE SIX MULTI-YEAR FUNDS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS. 
          UM, WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU IS HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN THE CITY'S PRACTICE AND IT'S A COMMON PRACTICE AMONG NORTH CAROLINA MUNICIPALITIES TO RECORD SALES TAX EXPENSE AND REVENUE IN THE BALANCE SHEET ACCOUNTS. 
          UM, IT'S BEEN, UH, BROUGHT UP RECENTLY IN THE RECOMMENDATION BY THE UNC SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT AND THE CITY'S AUDITORS THAT, UH, THE CITY SHOULD START RECORDING THESE AS TRUE AN EXPENSE ACCOUNT IN REVENUE ACCOUNTS. 
          SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY INCREASING, YOU KNOW, OR ADDING ANY EXPENSE, THEY'LL WASH OUT. 
          SO WE PAY THE TAXES AND WE SUBMIT FOR REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE STATE AND GET THAT BACK AS REVENUE. 
          SO IT'LL JUST BE RECORDED IN REVENUE AND EXPENSE ACCOUNTS INSTEAD OF JUST WASHING OUT. 
          SO, UH, THE FUNDS INCLUDE THE MULTI-YEAR GRANTS FUND, THE ELECTRIC IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT FUND TWO 12 K ROAD PROJECT FUND, UH, THE ENTITLEMENT CITY CDDG FUND, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FUND AND HURRICANE LAWRENCE FUND. 
          SO AS A MULTI-YEAR, UH, WE DID TRY AND INCLUDE MAYBE SOME EXTRA, THIS WOULDN'T BE JUST THE TAX FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, WE'RE TRYING TO PROJECT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU AS OFTEN ON THE PLAYER TO BRING THE BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THIS PURPOSE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS, UM, KIND OF A HATE TO USE THE TERM RUBBER STAMP FORMALITY, BUT IT SORT OF IS. 
          UM, AND SINCE THIS, UM, WAS NOT, I GUESS PROPERLY NOTICED FOR TODAY'S AGENDA, WE NEED TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TO ADOPT THIS BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH. 
          AND I BELIEVE THE CLERK HAS, UM, CIRCULATED A DATE AND TIME WITH THE BOARD AND IT LOOKED LIKE FRIDAY, JUNE 19TH AT EIGHT O'CLOCK WOULD WORK FOR ENOUGH OF US TO HAVE A QUORUM TOGETHER TO APPROVE THAT. 
          UH, SO WHAT I WOULD LOOK FOR IS A MOTION FROM THE BOARD TO CALL FOR A SPECIAL MEETING ON JUNE THE 19TH, 2026 8:00 AM AT CITY HALL TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          SECOND MOVED SECOND. 
          I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, SO THE COURT WILL GET THAT, UH, PUT ON OUR CALENDARS AND NOTICE AND, UH, WE'LL SEE YOU ALL FRIDAY MORNING AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT SEA HALL. 
          IS THAT ALL ON ITEM NUMBER ONE? THAT'S IT ON ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          THE ITEM NUMBER TWO IS ALSO ADAPTING THE FINAL BUDGET ORDINANCE, AND WE'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER CONDUCTING THAT ON FRIDAY MORNING AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ITEM ONE AND TWO WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR FRIDAY MORNING. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? MAYOR, I'M NOT SURE IF ITEM NUMBER TWO WAS REFERENCING THE MOTION THAT JUST PASSED. 
          UH, THE MOTION WAS TO CALL FOR THE MEETING, UM, BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT INCLUDES ITEM NUMBER ONE AND TWO WHEN IT'S WHEN IT'S NOTICED. 
          IS THAT OKAY? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          SO 
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JUST, UH, WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU HERE TODAY FOR THE CIVIL RETREAT, AND THIS IS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT A VARIETY OF, OF CY PROJECTS, ACTIVITIES THAT, UH, NOT ONLY HAVE, HAVE WE BEEN WORKING ON OR ABOUT TO COMPLETE, BUT ALSO GONNA APPROACH A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE FY 27. 
          SO THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED. 
          UH, IT'LL BE ON, UM, ON THE CITY'S, UH, UH, WEBSITE AND ON CITY THREE TV I BELIEVE AT SOME POINT TOMORROW, JUST FOR THOSE WHO MAY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT. 
          UH, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO CALL CHIEF LOCK UP TO, TO GIVE, UH, AN UPDATE ON FIRE RESCUE. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          SO, UH, I KNOW WE'LL BE SPEAKING ABOUT PROJECTS LATER ON IN THE MEETING, BUT, UH, FOR RIGHT NOW JUST SOME DATA, SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT AND WHERE WE'RE, SO, UM, TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME GRAPHS AND NUMBERS. 
          UM, WE DIDN'T DO SIX MONTHS. 
          WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED FROM JUNE ONE OF 20, 25 TILL THE END OF THIS PAST MONTH, WHICH IS MAY 31ST. 
          AND TOTAL COST OF SERVICE, WE WERE LOOK AT 2,229 CALLS. 
          WE BREAK THOSE DOWN FOR EACH DISTRICT, AND YOU'RE ALMOST AT A TIE BETWEEN, UH, HQ AND ELIZABETH STATION AT 10, UH, 1021, UH, FOR HEADQUARTERS, 968 FOR ELIZABETH, AND THEN 240. 
          SOME OF THE THINGS WE LIKE TO TRACK IS, UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PEAK TIMES, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SPECIFIC, UH, TIMES OF THE DAY OR WEEK, UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HIGHER CALL VOLUMES. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE GRAPH THAT IT'S NOT, NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE THIS AROUND FIVE O'CLOCK DURING THE WEEK IS WHEN WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF OUR, OUR HIGHER CALL VOLUME, UM, DURING THE WEEK IS ALSO THE WEEKEND, THE LITTLE SLOWER, BUT DURING THE WEEK IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE CALL VOLUME AS WELL. 
          UM, JUST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM A MUTUAL AID STANDPOINT. 
          UM, WE DO PROVIDE SERVICE, YOU KNOW, OUT INTO OUR MUTUAL AID AREAS AND WE RECEIVE SERVICE WHEN NEEDED AND CALLED UPON, UH, DEPENDING ON THE AREA FOR THE CALLS. 
          SO WE HAD DURING THAT TIME, 46 CALLS TO SERVICE TO ASSIST FOR MUTUAL AID AND WE RECEIVE CLEAN TIMES. 
          UM, YOU CAN ALSO SEE A BREAKDOWN IN THE PERCENTAGE OF TYPES OF CALLS. 
          UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AS FAR AS ANNUAL CALL TYPES, YOU'LL SEE FIRE PUBLIC SERVICE, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON THE FIRE SIDE, THAT CAN BE APPLIANCE SPACE, COOKING FIRES, APPLIANCE FIRES, STRUCTURAL, UH, VEGETATION OR GRASS FIRE. 
          UM, HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT CARBON MONOXIDE RELEASED, UH, ELECTRICAL HAZARDS, UH, FUEL SPILLS, GAS LEAK, MOTOR VEHICLE COLLISIONS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE MEDICAL WOULD BE ANYTHING IN THE EMS WORLD. 
          CARDIAC ARREST, UH, OVERDOSE, UNCONSCIOUS VICTIMS. THE NON-EMERGENT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE RESPONDING EMERGENT, WE SHOW IT AS NON-EMERGENT. 
          SO I WOULDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE CONFUSED ON THAT. 
          UH, WE HAVE TO TREAT IT AS SUCH WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALARM ACTIVATIONS. 
          WE CAN'T SAY WHAT THAT SITUATION WILL BE UNTIL WE GET THERE TO CONFIRM. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD FIND THOSE HIGHER NUMBERS. 
          AS FAR AS ACCESS TO ALARMS, NOT FUNCTIONAL ALARMS, PUBLIC SERVICE WOULD BE THAT OF A CITIZEN ASSIST CALL OF SERVICE, UH, INSTALLING ON FIRE ALARMS, UH, CHECKING IN ON SMOKE DETECTORS. 
          AND, UH, WE ALSO HAD TIME FROM THE PD MAY CALL TO FORCE ENTRY, UH, RESPONSE BY MONTH. 
          DURING THIS TIME, UM, OCTOBER WAS THE LEADING MONTH FOR COST OF SERVICE. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SUPER PROUD OF IS OUR FIRE PREVENTION PROGRAM. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK ON THAT PARTICULAR DRAFT, WE'RE TRACKING, UH, FRIDAYS FOR SCHEDULED DAYS AS WE DO CAR SEAT INSTALLS, INSPECTION INSPECTIONS. 
          UM, SO WE DO GET THOSE SCHEDULED AND WE DO HAVE, UM, THOSE THAT JUST WALK UP OR DRIVE UP AND NEED THE SYSTEM. 
          SO WE TRACK THAT NUMBER AS WELL. 
          SO 51 CAR SEAT CHECKS DURING THIS TIME, UH, ALARM BATTERY REPLACEMENTS IS, IS 333. 
          UH, SMOKE ALARMS THAT WERE INSTALLED DURING THE TIME WAS 524. 
          WE ALSO TRACK EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. 
          ALL OF OUR ACTIVITY REQUESTS WERE GO OUT. 
          WE PROVIDE SAFETY INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC AND WE BREAK THAT DOWN BETWEEN THE ADULTS AND CHILDREN. 
          SO WE HAD 9,979 CHILDREN THAT WERE REACHED DURING THIS TIME AND WE HAD 3060 ADULTS, UH, PERMITS ISSUED WAS 128 AND WE HAD, UH, 20 FIRE INVESTIGATIONS. 
          NOW WITH THE FIRE INVESTIGATIONS, I WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO BE CONFUSED. 
          THOSE WERE THE ONES WHERE WE ACTUALLY BRING OUT, UM, MOST TIMES OUR FIRE INVESTIGATORS ARE OUR FIRE CANINE, WHICH IS BOBBY, BUT EVERY FIRE GETS INVESTIGATED AND MOST OF THOSE MIGHT BE JUST AT THE COMPANY 11. 
          THESE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT I HAVE DOCUMENTED THAT THE FIRE INVESTIGATOR HAS DONE. 
          SO WHAT YOU DON'T SEE ON THIS PARTICULAR GRAPH IS WHAT WE CALL RAPERS, WHICH IS A RISK ASSESSMENT. 
          UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S ON THAT, THAT, THAT CYCLE SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR ACCREDITATION. 
          SO IT'S A RISK ASSESSMENT OF ALL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. 
          SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY TAKEN CARE OF. 
          THAT'S OVER 2000 
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OFFICER FACILITIES THAT WE'VE HAD A RAPIST DONE BY OUR STAFF. 
          TRAINING IS A BIG THING THAT WE'RE DO BY THE STATE, BUT ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE TAKE PRIDE IN, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THE BEST SERVICE. 
          SO FROM A TRAINING ASPECT, UH, ON AVERAGE ANY FIREFIGHTER SHIFT PERSONNEL PUTS ON THE GROUND LEVEL IS GONNA GET AROUND 240 TO 250 HOURS A YEAR. 
          BUT WE DO EXCEED THAT. 
          AND THAT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, WHICH, UH, WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO, WHICH IS THE COMPANY LEVEL TRAINING DRIVER, TRAINING OFFICER TRAINING, MEDICAL TRAINING, UH, HAZMAT TRAINING, NEW DRIVER, RECRUIT AND HONOR THE DRIVER PROGRAM. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT FOR THE DEPARTMENT DURING THAT TIME, UM, JUNE 1ST, 2025 THROUGH MAY 31ST, 2026, WE HAD A TOTAL OF 28,712 HOURS OF TOTAL TRAINING. 
          ALONG WITH THAT, WE BREAK IT DOWN, UH, EVEN FURTHER TO, UH, HAVING TO DO THE TRAINING FACILITY. 
          SO ANYTHING OUT AT THE TRAINING FACILITY'S REPORTED TO. 
          SO WE HAVE 3,640 HOURS OF TRAINING, UM, AND THAT JUST, UH, KIND OF TAKES CARE OF SOME DATA FOR YOU AS FAR AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ACT. 
          YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? CHIEF, WHEN ARE YOU EXPECT ME YOUR NEW TRUCK? SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, ONE THAT WAS PURCHASED, UH, , AND I'LL SPEAK ON THAT FOR ONE, THE PROJECTS, BUT IT'S EXPECTED TO BE DELIVERED BY AUGUST. 
          SO IT'LL, I THINK IN JULY THEY'RE ACTUALLY LEAVING OUT PART OF THE APPARATUS COMMITTEE NEXT WEEK TO DO A FINAL INSPECTION. 
          AND THEN IT'LL BE DELIVERED TO, UH, VENDOR HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA AND THEN ON TO THE DEPARTMENT AROUND AUGUST IN SERVICE TIME. 
          AND I'LL KIND OF TOUCH ON THIS AGAIN, SO IF ALREADY REVIEWED, I'M SORRY. 
          BUT, UM, ONCE THE EQUIPMENT WOULD BE PURCHASED AND THEN YOU KNOW THAT, THAT POINT IT'LL BE PLACE SERVICE. 
          SO SOMETIME AFTER ALL IS WHEN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE PLEASE? THANK, JUDGE. 
          LOOKING AT MUTUAL AID, IT SAYS 46 A, IS THAT, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN? SO THE MUTUAL AID WAS BROKEN DOWN AND GIVEN AND RECEIVED. 
          SO 46 TIMES WAS ACTUALLY GIVEN TO OUR MUTUAL AID PARTNERS EIGHT TIMES THAT WE RECEIVED IT. 
          AND THAT WAS OVER WHAT TIME PERIOD LAST YEAR? UH, JUNE 1ST, 2025 THROUGH MAY 31ST, 2026. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF, HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, BURN PERMITS. 
          UM, I HAVE RECEIVED QUITE A FEW, UH, EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS IN THE PAST WEEK OR SO, UH, FROM FOLKS IN THE CAROLINA BROTHER, THE BURNHAM COMMUNITY. 
          UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT AUTHORITY THE BOARD OF MENT HAS OVER THE SO BURN PERMITS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LAND CLEARING, UM, TWO PROJECTS THAT COME, COME TO MIND WOULD BEING THE CRAVEN, UM, WITH 43 CONNECTOR PROJECT, AND THEN ALSO WHAT WE REFERRING TO OUT NEAR RIDE, WHICH IS OFF COUNTY LINE ROAD. 
          THERE'S DEVELOPMENT GOING IN, WHICH WOULD BE IN BETWEEN BOTH, UH, CAROLINA COLORS AND D WATERSCAPE. 
          UH, THAT ONE IS APPROXIMATELY 311 ACRES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          UM, SO YOU'LL HAVE THE DEVELOPER OR THE CONTRACTOR THAT COMES IN AND THEY'RE REQUESTING, SO THEY HAVE TO GET THE PERMIT FROM BOTH, UH, NORTH CAROLINA FORESTER, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE TO GET A BURN PERMIT, UH, FOR THE DECISION. 
          SO WHEN THEY SUBMIT TO THAT, WE BREAK DOWN EVERYTHING BASED ON THE ORDINANCE, BUT WE ACTUALLY, FOR THE LAST FEW PROJECTS HAVE EXCEEDED WHAT THOSE RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE, WHICH NORMALLY WOULD BE WITHIN THAT 500 KEY TO A THOUSAND FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINES. 
          BUT WE'VE EXCEEDED THAT BY RESTRICTING INTO THESE 1500 FEET. 
          THEY ALSO CAN ONLY BURN GOING CERTAIN TIMES. 
          AND THERE'S ACTUALLY AN APP THAT'S USED, UH, NORTH CAROLINA FORESTRY USES IT AS WELL. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO MONITOR THAT, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE WITHIN THOSE, THOSE LIMITS. 
          UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CONDITIONS AS FAR AS WIND, UM, AND, AND THE SMOKE SETTLING, YOU CAN SEE THAT MORE TO HUMAN TIMES, BUT SPECIFICALLY THAT CAN'T ADD ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, TO THE BURN PILES AFTER I THINK IT'S THREE O'CLOCK I WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT, UH, OUR SPECIFICS. 
          BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED SOME OF THAT IN RECENT. 
          UM, SOME, SOME CONCERNS AND COMPLAINTS FROM THAT AREA. 
          AND THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY TO FULLY ALLEVIATE, UH, NOT HAVING, UH, SMOKE CONDITIONS, I THINK IT'S MORE WE JUST WOULDN'T ISSUE THE EARNED PERMITS. 
          UM, AND THEN, THEN THE CONTRACTORS WOULD'VE TO HAVE TO CLEAR THAT LAND AND THEN REMOVE IT FROM THE PROPERTY SET OF. 
          SO WE, WE DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT INCONVENIENCING THE RESIDENTS. 
          UM, UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT WE LOOKED AT SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS PARTICULAR ONE. 
          I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK. 
          UM, THEY, THEY CAN, THEY CAN START WITH CONDITIONS BEING A CERTAIN WAY AND THEN SOME TIME DURING THE DAY IF THE WIND SHIFTS, THEN YOU MAY GET BETTER EFFECTS. 
          BUT TO THEY ALLEVIATE IT WOULD NEED TO BE THAT WE JUST DON'T ISSUE BURN PERMITS. 
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DO YOU HAVE A CLUE? UM, CONSIDERING OUR, UH, UH, THE OTHER CITIES OUT SIZE, HOW MANY ARE ALLOWING FOR DEBRIS BURN VERSUS THE ONES THAT ARE NOT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS? SO RECENTLY WE WENT AND REACHED OUT TO SOME, UH, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHICH ONE THAT WAS UNDER FARM, BUT I DID REQUEST THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME, AND IT'S KIND OF A MIXED, MIXED FRUIT. 
          SOME DO AND SOME DO NOT AS FAR AS STILL ISSUE . 
          BUT AGAIN, I I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT WE, WE DID TRY TO TAKE MORE PRECAUTIONS SPECIFICALLY ON THE, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING ON WITH 43 CREDIT CONNECTOR AND GEARED BY EXCEEDING THAT TO 1500 FEET, UM, WHICH YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          AND THAT'S MORE CAUTIONARY. 
          'CAUSE I, I SOME MAY BE AWARE THAT THERE WAS A CONDITION WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED OVER NEAR RABURN THAT THERE WAS SOME DEBRIS THAT WAS IN PEOPLE'S YARDS. 
          I WOULD BE UPSET AS A RESIDENT THAT THAT WOULD, SO THAT REALLY TOOK IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL, EXCEED IT BY ADDITIONAL THOUSAND FEET. 
          BUT WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING, I THINK MORE SO WITH THE NEW PROJECT, AND IT'S ONLY IN FINISHING UP THE FIRST PHASE OF THREE PHASES OF THE THREE 11 ACRES IS THE SMOKE CONDITIONS TO TRAVEL. 
          YEAH, THE PROBLEM IS THEY CAN CANNOT PUT ANYTHING ON THE BURN PILE AFTER THREE O'CLOCK. 
          BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, THESE BURN PILES ARE EXTREMELY LARGE AND WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN THE HUMIDITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT JUST HOLDS THAT SMOKE TO THE GROUND, WIND SHIFTS. 
          AND THE OTHER DAY WHEN I THINK I ENDED UP CALLING THE CITY MANAGER, I WAS RECEIVING COMPLAINTS FROM CAROLINA COLORS, LIKE IT'S LIKE YOU READ ABOUT, I MEAN, SO, UM, MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE, NOT, NOT ALLOWING IN BURNING AND DEBRIS BURNING INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. 
          I THINK IT'D BE REAL NICE IF WE HAD SOMETHING IN WRITING WHICH CITIES ARE ALLOWING, WHICH CITIES ARE NOT ALLOWING IT SO WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO ABOUT ARE ARE YOU SUGGESTING COMPLETELY ELIMINATING BURNING DEBRIS BURNING WITHIN THE CITY? WELL, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT I JUST SAID IT'S, IT IS AN OPTION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND IT IS. 
          I MEAN, WHEN YOU LIVE OVER IN THE AREA, LIKE WHERE I LIVE WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF RETIREES, IT IS QUITE ANNOYING. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT'S SMOKE TERRIBLE OVER THERE. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT NIGHT IT WAS, UH, ABOUT A LESS THAN A WEEK AGO. 
          UM, SMOKE WAS ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. 
          I MEAN, IT WAS LAYING ON THE GROUND, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS JUST, YOU COULDN'T EVEN STAND HARDLY WALKING OUTSIDE. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE ASTHMA OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF ISSUES, IT CAN CERTAINLY BE A PROBLEM. 
          UH, I'D BE WILLING TO BET THAT A LOT OF THE CITIES ARE, ARE CHANGING THE ORDINANCES NO LONGER ALLOWED AND IT'S GONNA BE A BURDEN ON THE CONTRACTOR, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. 
          CHIEF, IF, IF WE WERE TO SAY NOT ALLOWED THAT THE CITY LIMITS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, LIKE RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD IS NOT THE CITY LIMITS, COULD THEY THEORETICALLY, IF WE DENIED IT, IF THEY GO GET APPROVAL ACROSS THE STREET AND GET A BURN PERMIT, THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE CITY APPROVAL AND STILL DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING? CORRECT. 
          UM, ARE YOU ASKING FOR AN ACTION DEVELOP THEN REMOVING SO THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO REMOVE ANYTHING FROM WELL, I, I WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND JUST CONFIRM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CONTROL AND WHEN WE DO SEE, SEE MISS AS WELL IS SOME OF THE TIME, SOME OF THE, SOMETIMES THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE, THERE ARE PRO TANS, THEY ARE PRESCRIBED BURNERS, UH, IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY AND WE STILL GET CONCERNS AND COMPLAINTS ABOUT THOSE WHEN IT'S NOT EVEN BURNING IN THE CITY. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, ON ASHER YOU HAD SOME CONCERNS FAR OUT AS, UM, HAIR TEETER. 
          SO WE FOLLOWED UP THE MANAGERS THERE, UM, AND TO VERNON AREA AND THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE TRAVELED, UM, TO HAVE THOSE CONDITIONS. 
          SO IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T FULLY ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM AS LONG AS THEY'RE BURNED. 
          UH, IF THE CONDITIONS CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE DAY, AND I, AND I KNOW SPECIFICALLY THAT DAY AROUND EIGHT, EIGHT O'CLOCK, EIGHT 30 THAT NIGHT WHEN SHIFT CHANGED AND THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU STARTED HAVING SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS. WAS I ASPER YOUR SITUATION, FOLKS BURNING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? NO, THIS WAS A BURN PILE FROM, UH, OFF OF COUNTY LINE ROAD WHERE THEY WERE GETTING READY TO DEVELOP THE LAND AND THEY HAD A MOUNTAIN OF DEBRIS PILE UP THERE AND THEY, THEY BURNED, THEY SET IT ON FIRE AND IT'LL BURN A 
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WEEK SOMETIMES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND JUST, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT BEING 311 ACRES, THAT WAS THE FIRST PHASE AND THE FIRST PHASE OR SO NOW THAT IT HAD SOME RAIN, PROBABLY LOOKING AT ANOTHER TWO, THREE WEEKS. 
          SO THEN YOU HAVE TWO PHASES FOLLOWING THAT. 
          WELL, SHE COULD, YOU PUT SOME RESTRICTION ON TO AS HOW BIG OF A BURN PILE THEY CAN HAVE THAT WOULD PROBABLY ELIMINATE SOME OF THE SMOKE. 
          WE COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT, UM, IF, IF THAT WOULD CHANGE THE EFFECTS AS FAR AS THE SIZE OF THE BURN POWER FORTH, YOU SAID HOW BIG THAT BURN THAT POWER WAS, IF THEY COULD JUST MINIMIZE IT TO CERTAIN AMOUNT, CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, NOT ALL AT ONE BIG KEEP AT ONE TIME. 
          CHIEF, I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT, I MEAN, THE EFFECTS OF, IF WE WERE TO JUST BAN BURNS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO BURNING IN THE CITY AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, REGULAR PRESIDENTS AS FAR AS BURNING. 
          I THINK WHAT YOU WOULD END UP HAVING, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY AFFECT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT THE CITY AS A WHOLE IS THAT THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE TO DEVELOP. 
          MAYBE THAT WOULD DISCOURAGE SOME, UH, PROJECTS NOT ALLOWING THAT COST SAVING CONTRACTORS, THOSE AREAS. 
          I DON'T THINK IT WOULD FULLY, FULLY DISCOURAGED EVERYONE THAT I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN IN THE PAST AND I THINK I I'VE HAD IT, WE'VE HAD AT LEAST ONCE WHERE THEY ACTUALLY DIG UP PIT AND THEN AND PUT FANS ON THE POWER BURN. 
          UH, ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT TYPE OF YEAH, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OF THE PROJECTS NEEDED IN THAT. 
          I WOULD'VE TO RESEARCH THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S, BECAUSE ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN, UM, YOU CAN SET A A PILE, UM, AND THEY'RE NOT USING FUEL, THAT NATURAL, NATURAL BURN. 
          UM, BUT IT, IT COULD BURN, YOU KNOW, MOST TIMES IT BURNED FOR SEVERAL DAYS. 
          IT WAS COMPLETELY BURN. 
          UH, CHIEF, HOW MANY BURN PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED IN THE LAST 24 MONTHS? UM, I, I WANT TO SAY THE TWO, WHICH WOULD BE THE 40 THROUGH CONNECTOR PROJECT AND THEN THIS ONE. 
          BUT AGAIN, THIS ONE WILL BE AGAIN THROUGH PHASE, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT COME TO MIND. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT BURN OR JUST AS FAR, FAR AS THE BURN STUFF? YEAH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM US LOOKING INTO IT OR EVEN, I MEAN, BANNING IT OUTRIGHT. 
          I I JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY, SO IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND LOOK AT THAT OR SOME CHANGES, I'M, I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. 
          UM, AS FAR AS FOR THIS PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE, I'M LOOKING AT THE RESPONSE BY STATION AND PREVIOUS BOARDS HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT A FIRE STATION IN THE WESTERN AREA PART OF NEW BERN. 
          AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT I THINK AT OUR LAST RETREAT RATED AT FAIRLY HIGH ON PRIORITIES. 
          UM, BUT I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE RESPONSE BY STATION, AND THIS MIGHT BE A, I'M, MAYBE, I'M NOT LOOKING AT THIS THE RIGHT WAY, BUT IF WEST THURMAN ROAD, OR SORRY, ELIZABETH AVENUE AND HEADQUARTERS ARE ABOUT SPLIT, YOU HAVE QUITE A FEW CALLS FOR SERVICE IN THAT AREA THAT ELIZABETH AVENUE WAS COVERING AND WE HAVE OF LAST YEAR ON THE MUTUAL AID. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE RESPONDING TO. 
          ARE YOU SEEING AND BASED ON COST FOR SERVICE, A NEED FOR ANOTHER STATION OUT THERE? I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE DATA CONTINUES TO TREND THAT THERE IS THAT NEED, UM, THAT THAT NEED WAS, UM, BEING LOOKED AT PRIOR TO I, UM, APPOINTMENT OF FIRE CHIEF HERE FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, SO WHEN, UH, I PRESENTED TO THE BOARD, IT WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT I WAS IN PLACE, UH, WE WERE SHOWING THE TREND FROM THE 2019 TIMEFRAME UP HERE, 2025 TIMEFRAME. 
          SO THE NUMBERS ARE CONTINUING TO INCREASE IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR AND WE BREAK DOWN THE MONTHLY REPORTS, THERE ARE A COUPLE MONTHS THAT IS, IS EXCEEDING ON THAT SAME LINE. 
          UM, SEVERAL OF THE WORKFORCE CITIZENS, UM, ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT FIRM. 
          HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE AND YOU KNOW WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT AT THE END OF ELIZABETH AVENUE, UM, AND ONE OF THE CITIZENS ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY TYPE OF, UM, REASON WE COULD INVOKE ENT DOMAIN 
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FOR, FOR BEING ABLE TO CLEAR THAT BURN SO THAT FIRE AND POLICE COULD GET THROUGH TO THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS FROM ELIZABETH AVENUE NEW. 
          IS THERE THAT, I KNOW I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THAT TOPIC. 
          SO THERE IS CURRENTLY A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH AUER THAT CERTAIN CRITERIA HAVE TO BE MET BEFORE THAT WOULD BE OPENED UP. 
          UM, AND, AND IT PROBABLY WILL BE OPENED UP AT SOME POINT, BUT, BUT WE HAVEN'T MET THOSE, THOSE METRICS IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT YET. 
          WELL, I I HAVE TO UM, ECHO OFF OF, UM, OLIVER FERGUSON BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR, UM, IS AN ADDITIONAL FIRE STATION ON THE WEST END. 
          AND I KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, CHIEF LOCKMAN BEFORE YOU CAME HERE, UM, CHIEF, THE CHIEF, THE PREVIOUS CHIEF HAD ALWAYS COME TO US AND PRESENTED THAT HE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE RESPONSE TIME. 
          SO A CITIZEN'S HOME IS ON FIRE BECAUSE THEY WERE COMING FROM THE ELIZABETH AVENUE AND HE WAS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESPONSE TIME. 
          SO THAT'S HOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAME INTO, HE COME INTO THE, THE, THE DISCUSSION AND WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE NOW, THERE IS WHAT, THERE IS A DIRE NEED TO PUT A FIRE STATION OUT THERE. 
          AND, AND, AND I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED IT MEMBERS TIMES HERE AND, AND, AND, AND I KNOW THAT HOPEFULLY THAT WITH THE PURCHASE OF A NEW FIRE TRUCK AND YOU KNOW, THE NEED OF THE CITIZENS WITH ALL DEVELOPMENT, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE TOP PRIORITY FOR US AS A BOARD, UM, MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IN YOUR, IN YOUR PROJECT REPORT COMING FORTH TO US TODAY OR NOT, OR SO DER GONNA ASK THAT. 
          IT MAY NOT BE IN HIS REPORT, BUT WHEN WE GET TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PORTION OF IT AND START TALKING ABOUT WEST NEW THAT THIS IS GONNA COME BACK UP TODAY. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT EVERYBODY REALIZES THAT. 
          CHIEF, IF YOU HAVE, IF WE WERE TO HAVE A REPORTED STRUCTURE FIRE ON, THAT'S HIGHWAY 55 MOUNT PLEASANT AREA, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH. 
          ALLEN ON HIGHWAY 55 AND MOUNT PLEASANT AREA, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE STATION OF YOUR FIRST DUDE? SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE THE LAKE TYLER 55 EITHER FURTHER OUT, I MEAN TO BE END OF THE CITY LIMITS, ELIZABETH STATION. 
          THIS IS AVENUE'S FIRST DUDE. 
          AND WHAT WOULD BE SECOND DUE H AND WHAT WOULD BE THE RESPONSE TIME FOR HEADQUARTERS TO TRAVEL ALL THE WAY OUT TO THAT AREA? UM, YEAH, I'M LISTENING, UH, BECAUSE THE FIRST 28 10 THAT MOST LIKELY HOW MUCH D FIRST DO FOR SOME OF THE  DISTRICT FOR AREA YOU'RE SPEAKING OF CAN NEED UPWARD EIGHT TO 10 MINUTES. 
          SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT H HPV EXCEEDING THAT AROUND 15. 
          SO THIS REVERSE THAT A LITTLE BIT JUST TO SHOW THE D BLUE WATER RISE. 
          I MEAN THAT'S IT'S WAY OUT THERE. 
          WHAT'S THE FIRST TWO, FIRST TWO WE DID AROUND THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME? WHAT'S THE FIRST TWO STATION? MOND STATION. 
          MOND STATION. 
          WHAT'S THE SECOND TWO? STATION HEADQUARTERS. 
          SO A FIRETRUCK FROM THE HEADQUARTERS FIRE STATION HAS TO TRAVEL ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE END. 
          THE BLUE ARCHE OF BLUE WATER RIGHTS? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THAT'S GOTTA BE MAYBE MILEAGE WISE NOT SO BAD, BUT IT IS A 15 MINUTE RESPONSE TIME. 
          IF IT'S SUBMITTED AS FAR AS SENIOR RESPONSE, YOU WILL HAVE, UM, A MUTUAL AID RESPONSE FOR THE DER SIGN. 
          UM, BUT WE CAN'T SAY EXACTLY HOW MANY PERSONNEL, HOW MANY, HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU ON A WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AT TWO O'CLOCK? IT'S, UH, IT'S LIMITED. 
          SOMETIMES IT DOES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN JUST ONE LAST QUESTION ABOUT ELIZABETH STATION COMPARED TO HQ. 
          UM, CAN YOU ILLUSTRATE FOR THE CITIZENS WATCHING THE DIFFERENCE IN THE EQUIPMENT AND MANPOWER THAT YOU HAVE COMPARED TO HQ AND ELIZABETH STATION? SO ELIZABETH STATION IS COVERED IN AROUND FOUR WHATEVER, 14 SQUARE MILES, AND WE RUN, UH, FOUR PERSONNEL ON A COMPANY. 
          SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE COMING, UM, IF THE PRIMARY UNIT CURRENTLY THAT'S IN PLACE IS LADDER TWO, WHICH IS AQUIN, SO YOU WILL HAVE, UM, ENGINE SLASH SUM TRUCK CAPABILITY. 
          UM, SO IT'S, IT'S GOING BE THEIR INITIAL ARRIVING, UH, ASSIGNMENTS OR ESTABLISHING, TRYING TO ESTABLISH A WATER SUPPLY AND JUST THE INITIAL TAP. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO GONNA BE WAITING FOR THE ADDITIONAL COMPANIES BECAUSE DEPENDING ON IT'S CONSIDERED A RESCUE 
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OR IF IT'S, UH, NOT FIRM RESCUE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL ADDITIONAL PERSONNELS IN PLACE INSTEAD OF WHAT'S CALLED  AND THEN HQ THAT WOULD BE, HAS ALL OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WOULD BE ARRIVING UNTIL THE HAPPENS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT'S THE, THE SAME SITUATION ON THURMAN ROAD? ARE YOU ALWAYS STAFFED WITH FOUR PEOPLE ON THURMAN ROAD FIRE STATION? SO THURMAN ROAD STATION MAINTAINS THE MINIMUM OF SIX. 
          UM, YOU HAVE FOUR ON ENGINE COMPANY AND TWO ON THE OTHER LADDER SLASH PLANT. 
          UM, IF, IF THEY'RE ALL IN THE HOUSE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SIX ON THE INITIAL. 
          SO SIMILAR TO THE LITTLE RISE, UM, STRUCTURE CAR THAT WE HAD SOME MONTHS BACK WOULD'VE BEEN FOUR HOUSES DOWN FROM THE VERY END OF THAT PARTICULAR CULDESAC. 
          I THINK THEY HAD BEEN SOMETIME BACK, BUT THE INITIAL RESPONSE WAS OVER SIX MINUTES FOR THE FIRST . 
          AND WHAT'S YOUR MINIMUM STA LEVEL? MOND ROAD? SIX. 
          GREAT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF. 
          THANK STEVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, NEXT UP ORDER RESOURCES, ORDER QUALITY COURT. 
          EXCUSE A SECOND, SIR. 
          UM, MAYOR, BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD, I THOUGHT, UM, WITH PUBLIC SAFETY THAT THE POLICE WOULD, CHIEF GALLER, HE HAD A, UH, SOME PRESCHEDULED, SO HE'S GONNA GET HIS REPORT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE DAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE DEPARTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WATER RESOURCE ORDER QUALITY REPORT. 
          MR. HUGHES, I'LL FLIP A POINT ON WHICH HUGHES WANTS TO REPORT HUGHES COMING UP THIS REPORT. 
          THAT'S THE GOOD THING. 
          IF YOU SAY MR. HUGHES, SOMEBODY'S GONNA JUMP UP HERE AND TALK, SO IT WORKS OUT REALLY WELL. 
          JEROME, IF YOU DO ME A FAVOR, YOU, YOU ADVANCED TO SLIDE 22 AND SAVE US SOME TIME THIS MORNING. 
          UM, THE FRONT END OF THIS PRESENTATION IS LARGELY ABOUT OUR WATER SUPPLY SOURCE WATER TREATMENT PROCESS. 
          UH, I I THINK I'VE HAD ENOUGH CONVERSATION WITH ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS IN THE PAST THAT Y'ALL HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE OR WHERE IT COMES FROM AND WHAT WE DO TO IT. 
          THERE'S SOME INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          BUT I WANNA GIVE YOU TODAY BECAUSE WE HAVE A, A REALLY A PACKAGE AGENDA, SO IT WOULD BE, UH, PRETTY OF EVERYBODY'S TIME. 
          WE CAN GIVE YOU A CONDENSED SUMMARY ON QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP RECENTLY ABOUT NEWBURG WATER QUALITY, WHAT WE DO TO MONITOR WATER QUALITY. 
          AND, UH, BRENDA'S PASSED ALONG OUR MOST RECENT WATER QUALITY REPORT. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, FRESH OFF THE PRINTER THAT CAME TO US LAST WEEK. 
          AND THIS WILL BE DISTRIBUTED THROUGH A, A NOTE ON THE BILL FOR CUSTOMERS TO FIND THIS ONLINE, UH, STARTING, UH, AT THE END OF THE MONTH. 
          AND THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE SOME PRINTED COPIES DISTRIBUTED THROUGH ALL THE CITY FACILITIES. 
          SO WHAT WE DO FOR WATER QUALITY MONITORING IS, IS KIND OF A MULTI-PHASE APPROACH. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT STUFF COMING INTO THE PLANT. 
          WE'RE MONITORING OUR RAW WATER COMING IN. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR PROCESSES THROUGH OUR TREATMENT PLANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SENDING THE GOOD PRODUCT OUT THE DOOR. 
          WE'RE ALSO TAKING WATER QUALITY SAMPLES THROUGHOUT THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THAT HIGH QUALITY PRODUCT THAT LEAVES THE PLANT TRAVELS THROUGH ALL THE PIPES IN THE CITY AND ULTIMATE ARRIVES AT THE CUSTOMERS, UH, THE SAME QUALITY THAT LEAVES THE PLANT. 
          SO WE DO HAVE A STATE CERTIFIED LAB THAT'S EMBEDDED INTO OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          UH, MS. KENDRA MAY IS OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANT LAB MANAGER. 
          SHE HEADS UP OUR WATER QUALITY TEAM. 
          IF THERE'S EVER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WATER QUALITY FROM OUR CITIZENS, UH, MS. KENDRA'S THE ONE THAT KIND OF GOES OUT AND FILLS THOSE. 
          ALSO, SHE'S DAY TO DAY TAKING OUR PROCESS SAMPLES, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING'S GOING THROUGH THE PLANT AS IT IS TAKING OUR, OUR REGULATORY SAMPLES, MAKING SURE WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF OUR STATE AND FEDERAL PERMITS. 
          SHE DOES A VERY GOOD JOB OF WHAT SHE DOES IN 2025. 
          SHE WAS THE, UH, NORTH CAROLINA'S WATER OPERATOR LAB ANALYST. 
          SO WE HAVE SOME VARIOUS COUNTIES STAFF HERE IN RIN THAT ARE KEEPING IT OUT OF WATER QUALITY FOR US. 
          NEXT SLIDE, YOUR HONOR. 
          ALRIGHT, SO YOU'LL SEE SOME THINGS THROUGH OUR WATER QUALITY REPORT. 
          YOU'LL SEE SOME, UH, SOME VERBIAGE THAT'S TALKING ABOUT IN REGARDS TO WATER QUALITY. 
          UM, SOME OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DETERMINES STONE AROUND THE MOST IS MCL OR MAXIMUM CONTAINMENT LIMIT. 
          UH, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANY TYPE OF CONTAMINANT AND WATER SYSTEM, YOU SEE THE MCL REFERENCE. 
          NORMALLY THAT'S A RANGE OF NUMBERS DEPENDING ON THE CONTAMINANT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, FOR NEWIN, WE'RE TESTING OVER 150 CONTAMINANTS, AND WE ARE UNDER THE MCL FOR ALL OF EM. 
          SO WE HAVE NO MCL EXCEEDANCE. 
          YOU WILL SEE SOME NUMBERS THAT WE DO HAVE SOME THINGS IN THE WATER IF YOU LOOK AT US TO DAMAGE, YOU'LL FIND NUMBERS IN THERE THAT'S NOT NO DETECTOR FOR EVERYTHING. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU SEE A, A NUMBER THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THERE'S AN ISSUE, IT JUST MEANS THERE'S A PRESENT. 
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UM, AND I, I'LL GIVE YOU KIND OF THE, THE EPAS DEFINITION OF MCL. 
          THE INSIDE COVER THAT WATER BAR REPORT ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN ON PAGE TWO, YOU'VE GOT THE MCL DEFINITION. 
          AND JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, THE MC AT THE MCL PERSON WOULD HAVE TO DRINK TWO LITERS OF WATER EVERY DAY AT THE MC LEVEL FOR A LIFETIME TO HAVE A ONE IN A MILLION CHANCE OF HAVING TO DESCRIBE HEALTH IMPACT. 
          SO EVEN IF YOU GET NEAR THE MCL LEVEL, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE A DIRE IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY OR YOUR CUSTOMER BASE. 
          IT MEANS THERE'S A SLIGHT CHANCE OF A, AN ELEVATED HEALTH RISK. 
          EVEN THEN YOU HAVE TO BRING TWO LITERS OF WATER EVERY DAY FOR YOUR ENTIRE LIFETIME AT THAT LEVEL TO HAVE A ONE IN A MILLION CHANCE OF HAVING TO DESCRIBE HEALTH EFFECT. 
          SO IN THE WATER QUALITY WORLD, I SAY THE RE THE REGULATIONS ARE ARE REALLY CONSERVATIVE. 
          THEY REALLY ARE. 
          UM, EVEN IF YOU'RE AT THE NEAR THE UPPER END OF SOME OF THESE LEVELS, THE THE LIKELIHOOD OR CHANCE OF HAVING SOME TYPE OF HEALTH IMPACT FROM THE CONTAMINANT IS VERY, VERY, VERY SLIM. 
          THEY TAKE WATER QUALITY VERY SERIOUSLY AND THESE LEVELS ARE, ARE VERY TIGHT. 
          UH, AND THE WAY WE MEASURE THOSE THINGS ARE VERY TIGHT TOO. 
          WE'RE MEASURING THINGS IN PARTS PER BILLION AND PARTS PER TRILLION. 
          UM, WE'RE REALLY AT THE, THE, THE OUTER REALM OF WHAT TECHNOLOGY CAN DETECT. 
          WE LOOKING FOR SOME OF THESE. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO OUR, OUR CONSUMER CONFERENCE REPORT OR OUR ANNUAL WATER, WATER QUALITY REPORT IS WHAT WE PASSED OUT THIS MORNING. 
          THIS GOES OUT ANNUALLY TO OUR CUSTOMER BASE, REQUIRED OUR PERMIT VIEW OVER YEAR. 
          IT'S A FAIRLY CONCISE DOCUMENT. 
          GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHAT WE'RE DOING IN REGARDS TO WATER TREATMENT. 
          UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WHO TO CALL? AND THE VERY BACK PAGE OF THAT, THERE IS JUST A LIST OF A, A FEW THINGS THAT, UH, ARE NOTE FROM THE CONTAMINANT LIST. 
          THIS IS THE 24 LIST. 
          AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE MOST OF THE NUMBERS DON'T CHANGE FROM YEAR TO YEAR. 
          WE HAVE A VERY STABLE WATER SUPPLY SOURCE FROM EVERYTHING VERY CONTINUALLY YEAR TO YEAR OUT. 
          SO THE 25 DATA'S WHEN MATCHING 24 DATA ALMOST PERFECTLY ON SOME OF THOSE. 
          THE OTHER THING YOU'LL NOTICE IN SOME OF THOSE TEST DATES, YOU'LL SEE SOME 2020 TEST DATES, YOU'LL SEE SOME 23 TEST DATES BECAUSE WE HAVE SO, UH, SUCH LOW LEVELS OF CONTAMINANTS IN OUR WATER SUPPLY. 
          UH, ER IS QUALIFIED FOR REDUCED MONITORING FOR A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS, WHICH MEANS WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO TEST ANNUALLY. 
          WE CAN TEST SOMETIMES ON A, A TWO YEAR CYCLE, THREE YEAR OR FOUR YEAR CYCLE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CONTEMPT IS. 
          UM, OVER, OVER TIME, IF YOU GET THE SAME RESULTS OVER A 20 YEAR PERIOD, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT'S LIKELY NOT GONNA CHANGE. 
          THEY'RE NOT MAKING YOU LOOK AT THOSE THINGS YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. 
          ALRIGHT, TWO THINGS THAT REALLY, UH, THEY'RE NOT TALKED ABOUT A LOT IN THE WATER QUALITY REPORT. 
          THEY ALL MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY DO GET SOME HEADLINES AND GIVE YOU JUST A, A REAL QUICK SNAPSHOT OF WHERE NEWIN IS IN REGARDS TO LEAD, LEAD COPPER MONITORING AND ALSO, UH, PFOS MONITORING. 
          SO LEAD COPPER, UM, IT'S NOT, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S NEW. 
          IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A WHILE. 
          DPAS HAD LEAD COPPER MONITORING RULES. 
          IT'S LARGELY JUST BEEN IN TESTING FOR THE LAST 20 OR 30 YEARS. 
          WE TAKE REQUIRED SAMPLES, MAKE SURE WE WITHIN, UH, THOSE MCLS FOR ACLS FOR LAND COPPER STARTING IN 2024. 
          THAT CHANGED QUITE A BIT. 
          IT WENT FROM JUST A, A WATER QUALITY TESTING TO, THEY REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE IN REGARDS TO LEAD PIPING. 
          SO IN 2024, WE STARTED OUR LEAD LINE SERVICE IN INVENTORY WHERE WE BASICALLY HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHAT EVERY WATER CUSTOMER HAS IN REGARDS TO SERVICE LINE MATERIAL, NOT ONLY FROM THE MAIN TO THE METER, BUT FROM THE METER TO YOUR HOUSE. 
          FOR SOME OF THAT, THAT'S VERY EASY. 
          SO EVERYTHING IN WARD THREE ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SHRIMP RIVER, THAT'S NEW ENOUGH CONSTRUCTION. 
          WE CAN JUST SAY ALL OF THAT IS NON LET, THERE'S NO WAY BASED ON THE AGE OF CONSTRUCTION FEED LET OVER THERE, WE CAN WIPE THAT COMPLETELY OFF INVENTORY. 
          WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS. 
          IT GETS A LOT HARDER AS WE GET INTO WARD ONE AND WARD TWO, AS WE GET INTO OUR OLDER AREAS OF TOWN. 
          THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOMES AND BUSINESSES IN THOSE AREAS WAS AT THE TIME WHERE LEAD WAS A, A, YOU KNOW, A USABLE MATERIAL. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEAD IN. 
          WE HAD FOUND SOMETHING OVER THE YEARS, WE BOUNCED SOME LEAD SERVICE LINES, BUT FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS, NEWBURG HAS HAD A FINE AND REPLACE POLICY FOR LEAD SERVICE LINES. 
          SO ANY TYPE, THEY ENCOUNTER A LEAD OR SERVICE LINE AS PART OF DOING ANY TYPE OF STREET WORK OR ANY OTHER CONSTRUCTION, FIND A LEAK, A LEAD SERVICE LINE, THERE'S A SERVICE ORDER GENERATED. 
          HE GETS COMPLETELY REPLACED WITH, WITH NEW, UH, NEW PE TWO AT THAT POINT. 
          WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR QUITE A WHILE. 
          UM, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THERE'S NOT ANY LEAD LINES LEFT IN NEWIN, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE ARE AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THIS INVENTORY PROCESS. 
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WE'VE COMPLETED THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL TO EPA WHERE WE THOUGHT THE, UH, THE NON-LEAD WERE AND WHERE THE UNKNOWNS WERE. 
          AND WE HAD QUITE A FEW OF UNKNOWNS. 
          NOT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS FROM THE MAIN TO THE METER, BUT WE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS FROM THE METER TO YOUR HOUSE THAT'S PART OF THIS INVENTORY. 
          WE HAD TO KNOW BOTH SIDES OF THAT. 
          SO OUR INITIAL INVENTORY WE HAD, WE HAD ABOUT 6,000 UNKNOWNS. 
          WE DEVELOPED A STATISTICAL ANALYSIS MODEL, SUBMITTED THAT TO THE STATE FOR REVIEW. 
          UH, THEY'VE APPROVED THAT. 
          WHAT THAT'S ALLOWED US TO DO IS TAKE THAT SAMPLE SIZE OF 6,000 AND INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY FIELD VERIFY 6,000 SERVICES, WE NOW HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND FIELD VERIFY A FEW HUNDRED SERVICES. 
          WE'LL TAKE THAT DATA, WE GET BACK FROM THOSE VERIFICATIONS, PLUG IT BACK IN THE MODEL. 
          AT END OF THE DAY WE'LL COME UP WITH A VERY HIGH CONFIDENCE LEVEL OF WHAT THE REST OF THEM ARE IN THOSE, THOSE AREAS WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          NOW THEY'VE ACTUALLY COMPLETED THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT, WHICH IS THE STUFF. 
          AND MAJORITY WE GOING TO COURT OF DOWNTOWN. 
          THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THAT IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS. 
          AND LATER IN THE SUMMER, WE'LL START THE REST OF IT, WHICH ARE SOME AREAS FROM DOWNTOWN OUT TO ABOUT SIMMONS STREET AND BACK INTO DUNVILLE. 
          SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHY WE DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T LIKE FINDING A LOT OF LAND IN NEW BERN, JUST IN GENERAL. 
          IN GENERAL, THE LEAD SERVICE LINE ISSUE IS MORE OF AN UPPER MIDWEST AND, AND NEW ENGLAND TYPE ISSUE. 
          YOU KIND OF SEE THE PREVALENCE OF LEAD AS YOU GET INTO THE SOUTHEAST IS A LOT SMALLER. 
          IN NORTH CAROLINA IT'S EIGHT, AN AVERAGE OF EIGHT, UH, LEAD LINES PER THOUSAND CUSTOMERS NEW. 
          I WOULD ANTICIPATE IT'S ACTUALLY LESS THAN THAT. 
          UM, YOU REALLY JUST PURE DUMB LUCK THAT AT THE TIME LEAD WAS HIGHLY USED. 
          THEY JUST USED OTHER MATERIALS IN THIS AREA. 
          THE, YOU SEE A LOT MORE GALVANIZED PA LOT MORE FAST IRON P JUST DIDN'T USE A LOT OF RED GOOD. 
          NOW, FROM ALSO, AGAIN, OUR, OUR OUR LEAD, OUR OUR LEAD SERVICE LINE INVENTORY. 
          WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW HAVING TO DETERMINE BOTH SIDES OF THAT, THE THE CITY OWNED SIDE AND THE CUSTOMER OWNED SIDE AS WELL. 
          AND ALL THAT DATA GETS PUT BACK INTO, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DASHBOARD THAT KEEPS UP WITH ALL THIS. 
          IT'S PART OF THE WEB, IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          THERE'S INFORMATION IN THE WATER QUALITY REPORT WHERE I FIND THIS ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          IT'S ALSO LETTERS THAT HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO ANY CUSTOMER WITH AN UNKNOWN SERVICE LINE. 
          UM, THERE'S INFORMATION HOW TO GET TO THIS, BUT WE'RE TRACKING EVERY TIME WE FIGURE OUT WHAT ONE OF THESE IS, WE, WE WILL UPDATE THIS MAP. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE, UH, IN THESE, IF IT'S, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'VE GOT AN UNKNOWN SERVICE, IF YOU'VE GOT ONE THAT'S NON-LEAD, WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, UH, YOU CAN PUT YOUR ADDRESS AND TAKE YOU RIGHT TO HOME AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT YOUR SERVICE ON THIS. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO RIGHT NOW IT, IT IS KIND OF AN EVOLVING THING AS WE'RE CONTINUING TO, TO WRAP UP THE INVENTORY. 
          THE NEXT PHASE OF THIS, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO WRAP UP IN 27, HAVE ALL THE INVENTORY INVENTORY DONE BY THE FALL OF 27. 
          AND THE NEXT STEP WILL BE A REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. 
          SO THE EPA IS GONNA REQUIRE TO COME UP WITH A LEAD LINE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM FOR ALL THE NEW SERVICE LINES THAT WE'VE GOT. 
          OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE ZERO KNOWN SERVICE LINES. 
          UM, SO WE GET TO THE REPLACEMENT PART. 
          I'M HOPING WE HAVE NONE THAT WE FOUND. 
          IF WE FIND ANY IN THE SUMMER AND GOING THROUGH THE INVENTORY PROCESS, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND FIX THOSE. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA WAIT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO FIX 'EM IN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND JUMP OUT THERE AND KNOCK THOSE OUT. 
          SO BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE 2027 WITH THE NEXT PHASE IN THE EPA A REQUIREMENTS, I, I'M REALLY CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, ZERO LINES THAT ARE NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. 
          SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH NEED OF A PLAN FOR REPLACEMENT. 
          SO THE NEXT STEP FOR WHERE IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY. 
          OKAY, THE LAST THING I WANT TO TOUCH ON, 'CAUSE THIS GETS A LOT OF NATIONAL HEADLINES AND I ACTUALLY SEE IT ON A LOCAL LEVEL, UH, ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS NOW ON THE NEWSFEED IS PFOS OR PO CONTAMINANTS. 
          UM, AND WHAT THESE ARE, THESE ARE BASICALLY MANMADE COMPOUNDS THAT ARE SHOWING UP IN WATER AND WASTEWATER. 
          UH, STREAMS HAVE BEEN FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          UH, UP UNTIL RECENTLY THEY WERE UNREGULATED. 
          SO THERE WAS NO REAL REGULATION ABOUT WHAT WAS COMING OUT OF FACTORIES GOING INTO WATER BODIES. 
          UM, THE, THE REALLY, THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT, UH, POPPED UP FROM THIS WAS SOMEWHAT OF A LOCAL ISSUE WITH THE GEN X ISSUE IN WILMINGTON AND THE  RIVER STARTED ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO THAT MADE NATIONAL HEADLINES KIND OF REALLY PUT A SPOTLIGHT ON THE INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTION OF THESE PFOS CHEMICALS AND HOW THEY COULD IMPACT WATER SUPPLIES. 
          UM, SO PFOS, IT REALLY, IT JUST MANMADE COMPOUND. 
          IT'S IN LITERALLY EVERYTHING. 
          UM, I CAN, THERE'S STUFF ON THIS TABLE THAT'S GOT PFOS COMPOUNDS, CANDY WRAPPERS, WATER BOTTLES, ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL PACKAGING, NONSTICK FOOTWEAR SHA UM, FAST FOOD CONTAINERS, YOU REALLY NAME IT. 
          THERE'S PFOS KIND EVERYTHING. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN EXPOSED TO PFO S FOR A LONG PERIOD 
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OF TIME. 
          THIS ISN'T ANYTHING THAT'S REALLY JUST EMERGING. 
          WHAT IS EMERGING IS THE, THE PREVALENCE OF IT IN IN WATER SYSTEMS. UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT AS A BIGGER PROBLEM IN SURFACE WATER SYSTEMS. I'LL USE THE CAPE FEAR SYSTEM AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          HAD A FACTORY UPSTREAM OF THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, THEY'RE DISCHARGING INTO THE CAPE FAIR RIVER. 
          ALL THAT FLOWS DOWNSTREAM TO THE INTAKE, THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          AND NOW THAT, THAT BECOMES IN THE WATER SUPPLY, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING A GROUNDWATER SYSTEM LIKE  HAS, WE HAVE A LOT LESS, UH, SUSCEPTIBILITY TO THOSE TYPE OF CONTAMINANTS GETTING INTO OUR WATER SUPPLY SOURCE. 
          OUR WATER SUPPLY IS FROM VERY DEEP AQUIFERS WEIGHT UNDER GROUND. 
          UM, WHAT SOMEBODY PUTS IN THE NOOSE RIVER IS NOT GONNA IMPACT OUR WATER SOURCE. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S HUGE BENEFIT OF HAVING A GROUNDWATER SYSTEM. 
          WHILE THESE ARE STILL AN ISSUE AND WE, WE STILL TEST FOR 'EM AND WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE JUST DISCREDITING, WE HAVE A LOT LESS OF, UH, CONCERN THAN SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE A FROM A SURFACE WATER. 
          THAT'S, SO THERE ARE SOME CURRENT PAS RULES. 
          UH, THIS IS KIND OF EVOLVING AT, AT A VERY FAST PACE AS THEY'RE GETTING SOME GOOD DATA IN WHAT'S OUT THERE IN PFAS. 
          WHERE IS IT COMING FROM? WHERE IS IT AT? THERE'S EPA IN THE STATE ARE STARTING TO DEVELOP RULES. 
          THERE ARE SOME RULES NOW. 
          IN 2024, WE DID OUR, WE SAMPLED 24, WE SAMPLED ALL OF OUR WELLS FOR THE 20, UH, 27 PFOS CONTAMINANTS AT THE TIME THAT THEY WANTED TO GET SOME INFORMATION ON. 
          WE HAD NO DETECTS ON ANY OF THOSE, WHICH I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE HAVING BASED ON BEING A GROUNDWATER SYSTEM, HAVING THE AQUIFERS THAT WE'RE PULLING FROM AND WHERE OUR, AND WHERE OUR WELL FIELD IS LOCATED. 
          UM, THERE ARE SOME MORE RULES THAT ARE COMING OUT IN THE SPRING OF 27, SO THEY'RE KIND OF TAKING THESE PRELIMINARY DATA AND YOU'LL HAVE A NEW ROUND OF RULES COMING OUT IN 27. 
          I'D IMAGINE WE'LL HAVE TO START MONITORING FOR THOSE ANNUALLY FOR A COUPLE YEARS. 
          AND MUCH LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER CONTAMINANTS, THE PROP, THERE'S PROBABLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE REDUCED MONITOR BECAUSE I, I I, IT'S UNLIKELY WE'LL FIND, SO YEAH, AGAIN, THE, THE GROUNDWATER AQUIFERS THIS KIND OF A, A SAFEGUARD AGAINST SURFACE WATER ISSUES IN REGARDS TO POS. 
          THERE ARE GROUNDWATER SYSTEMS THAT HAVE PFOS CONTAMINATION. 
          THAT IS BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD CONTAMINATION RIGHT AT THE WELLHEAD, THEY LITERALLY HAVE TO HAVE A PROBLEM RIGHT AT THE WELL HEAD. 
          I THINK THERE WAS A SMALLER WATER SYSTEM STAYED SOMEWHERE THAT HAD A, A VERY SMALL ONE, WELL, ONE WATER TANK AND THEY KEPT THEIR, THEY WERE EMPTYING THEIR FIREFIGHTING FOAM, KIND OF JUST CLEANING THE FIRE TRUCK OUT ON THE SAME SITE. 
          SO THAT WAS KIND OF LEACHING DOWN, RUNNING RIGHT DOWN THE SIDE OF THE WELL THAT ACTUALLY CONTAMINATED, YOU KNOW, RIGHT. 
          WE GOT A CONTAMINATION RIGHT THERE AT THE WELL. 
          UM, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT OTHER THAN HAVING THAT TYPE OF CONTAMINATION, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE ANYTHING HAPPEN FOR A GROUNDWATER SOURCE. 
          WE DO HAVE A WELLHEAD PROTECTION PLAN. 
          WE'VE GONE OUT WITH STATE REGULATORS AND MEMBERS OF THE KEL WATER RURAL ASSOCIATION LAST FEW YEARS, SURVEYED ALL OF OUR WELL SITES, LOOKED AT POTENTIAL CONTAMINATION SOURCES AROUND THERE, KIND OF DEVELOPED AN ACTION PLAN OF HOW TO MITIGATE THOSE IF YOU ARE AWARE OF WHAT, WHAT'S OUT THERE AND WHAT COULD CREATE PROBLEMS FOR US. 
          UM, IT'S A VERY DETAILED DOCUMENT, THREE OR 400 PAGES. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE POTENTIAL ISSUE AND MAKING SURE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP NEWBORNS OF WATER SUPPLY SAFE. 
          ALRIGHT, SO JUST KIND OF IN SUMMARY, YOU KNOW, HOW SAFE IS OUR WATER? BECAUSE I GET THIS QUESTION FROM TIME TO TIME AND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF ENTERTAINING THROUGH SOME OF OUR ONE-ON-ONE CLASSES THAT COME THROUGH. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT SAY THEY DON'T DRINK THE WATER 'CAUSE IT'S NOT SAFE. 
          AND WE HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. 
          THE NCE WATER IS, IS EXTREMELY SAFE. 
          WE, WE DO A LOT ON THE FRONT END FROM MONITORING EVERYTHING'S GOING THROUGH THE TREATMENT PLANT. 
          WE'RE MONITORING EVERYTHING OUT IN THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. 
          WE'VE GOT A HIGHLY, UH, QUALIFIED, VERY PROFESSIONAL STAFF THAT'S TAKING CARE OF WATER QUALITY MONITORING, WATER QUALITY PRODUCTION. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO STAYING ON, ON TOP OF ANY EMERGING ISSUES OR REGULATIONS THAT ARE COMING THAT ARE COMING OUT, MAKE SURE WE GETTING A HIGH QUALITY PRODUCT ACROSS OUR ENTIRE CASE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? JORDAN? I I GET A QUESTION OFTEN ABOUT HARD ORDER. 
          IT USED TO BE SOFTER, BUT WE USED TO GET IT FROM THE BLACK CREEK AQUIFER AND PEOPLE WANNA KNOW WHY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE STAIN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, CAN YOU JUST TOUCH BRIEFLY ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT? SURE. 
          WELL IT, IT, IT'S A COST IN CHEMISTRY. 
          SO WE DO GET OUR WATER FROM TWO SEPARATE WELL FIELDS, TWO SEPARATE AQUIFERS. 
          THE OLD WATER CAME FROM THE BLACK CREEK AQUI, VERY GOOD WATER, VERY HIGH QUALITY, EXTREMELY DEEP AQUIFER. 
          THAT WATER HAD A CHANCE TO COOK IT THROUGH MANY LAYERS BY THE TIME YOU PULL IT BACK OUT, IT'S 
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VERY CLEAN WATER, VERY LOW . 
          UH, IT WAS GREAT. 
          IT WAS GREAT WATER TO THE POINT THAT EVERYBODY WAS USING, THE AQUIFER WAS BEING COMPLETED. 
          UH, AND IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS WE HAD TO DEVELOP A NEW SUPPLY SOURCE TO REPLACE SOME REDUCTIONS WE WERE HAVING TO MAKE FROM THAT. 
          WELL, WE DRILL NEW WELLS IN A, FROM THE CASTLE HAY, THAT'S THE NUDE WATER. 
          AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AS DEEP, THE QUALITY'S NOT AS GREAT IT CALCIUM IRON MAN. 
          WE'RE TRYING OUT, THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS WE DOING IN OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          THAT WATER IS ACTUALLY RUNNING THROUGH THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, BUT WE'RE REMOVING IRON, MANGANESE, UH, AND CALCIUM, WHICH IS WHERE THE HARDNESS IS. 
          ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE PARTS OF THAT IS THE SOFT, THE SOFTNESS REQUIRED. 
          AND SALT IS ONE OF OUR HIGHER TREATMENT CHEMICAL CAUSE. 
          SO MAKE EXTREMELY SOFT WATER ACTUALLY IS VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          IT'S ALSO NOT GOOD FOR WATER CHEMISTRY. 
          YOU DON'T WANT EMPTY WATER. 
          EMPTY WATER IS NOT A GOOD THING OR IT MAY BE GREAT COMING OF THE PLANT, BUT AS A TRAVEL THROUGH DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM TRAVELS YOU THAT THE HARDEST IN THAT WATER ACTUALLY HELPS AND, AND THE CHEMISTRY OF THAT HELPS PREVENT LEACHING OF OTHER THINGS IN WATER SYSTEM. 
          UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THAT WITH A LOT GOING ON. 
          UM, TRYING TO BALANCE GOOD WATER CHEMISTRY, UM, YOU KNOW, A A HIGH WATER QUALITY. 
          A WE'RE ALWAYS COST CONSCIOUS ON WHAT THIS COSTS EVERYBODY TO KEEP THE RATES LOW. 
          AND WE DO THIS. 
          WE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THE BEST WE CAN BY BLENDING THE GOOD WATER AND THE, THE NEW WATER AND THE OLD WATER, BOTH GOOD WATER. 
          UM, WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY IS WE PULL AS MUCH OF THE, THE OLD WATER AS WE CAN EVERY DAY AND WE MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE, WHATEVER ELSE WE NEED EVERY DAY. 
          WE MAKE UP THAT WITH, UH, THE NEWER WATER THAT HAS TO. 
          SO IT'S A BALANCE OF CHEMISTRY, COST AND QUALITY. 
          AND JORDAN, PART OF THAT SHIFT TO DRILLING WELLS IN THE CASTLE OF PAIN WAS BASED ON, I THINK IT WAS A MORATORIUM ABOUT 1.4 OF THE, UH, WAS BLACK CREEK. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YES SIR. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO IT, IT IS, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD A REDUCTION. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A MORATORIUM PLUS REDUCTION. 
          THERE'S NO MORE PERMITING WITHDRAWALS IN FLAT CREEK FOR OFFICERS AND, AND EVERYBODY THAT WAS PULLING OUT OF THAT, THERE WAS A, A TIERED SYSTEM OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD, 25% REDUCTION, 50% REDUCTION, 75. 
          THE, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT AS EVERYBODY STARTED TO FIND ALTERNATIVE SUPPLY SOURCES AND STARTED TO WITH REDUCE THEIR WITHDRAWALS IN THE BLACK CREEK OFFER, THERE'S LEVELS CAME BACK UP ACTUALLY QUICKER THAN, THAN ALL THE MODELING PREDICTED. 
          AND WE'RE CURRENTLY AT THE 50% LEVEL AND IT'S VERY, IT APPEARS TO BE VERY SUSTAINABLE, BUT THOSE LEVELS HAVE COME BACK UP TO, UM, HIGHER THAN WHERE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE 50%. 
          SO THIS POINT WE'RE ACTUALLY RUNNING ON A, WE CALL IT TEMPORARY PERMIT, BUT EVERYBODY'S GOT KIND OF HOLDING IT AT 50% LEVEL. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD TO GO TO THE 75% PRODUCTION LEVEL, WHICH IS GOOD FOR US. 
          IT GIVES US MORE OF THAT HIGH QUALITY LOW COST RATE USE EVERY DAY. 
          UH, AT THIS POINT WE THOUGHT WE HAD, WELL WE DON'T HAVE 25% OF THAT NOW. 
          WE'VE GOT 50%. 
          AND THE MORATORIUM, THE REDUCTIONS ARE FROM STATE MANDATED, ABSOLUTELY UNFUNDED, STATE MANDATED. 
          HOW MANY, HOW MANY WELLS DO WE HAVE? WE'VE GOT 20 IN TOTAL. 
          SO WE'VE GOT FIVE OF THE BLACK CREEK WELLS, THE OLD SYSTEM, AND WE'VE GOT 15 OF THE NEW ONES THERE BECAUSE THE, THE AQUIFER, IT'S A SHALLOW AQUIFER. 
          YOU DON'T GET QUITE THROUGH THAT AS YOU, AS YOU WOULD THE OPEN AS WELL. 
          SO WE'VE GOT 15 KIND OF REPLACE PROVIDE AND ALL OF THEM ARE INCLUDED UNDER THE WELLHEAD PROTECTION PROGRAM. 
          THEY'RE TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE LEAD PIPE SERVE THAT YOU HAD SAID THAT FIRST PHASE YOU HAD KIND OF DOWNTOWN AREA AND NEXT GOING DOWN TO SIMMONS FIELD WILL, AND YOU SAID ALL OF IT NEEDS TO BE KIND OF TURNED IN FALL OF 27TH. 
          SO WE, WE GET THE SURVEY RESULTS BACK IN PHASES OR ALL AT ONCE AND WE WILL HAVE ALL OF OUR, SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW IS ACTUALLY WE TOOK OUR, WE TOOK OUR STATISTICAL ANALYSIS, PUT ALL OF OUR TEAM NEWS IN THERE AND IT SPITS OUT A RANDOM DATA SET. 
          IT SAYS GO SAMPLE THESE. 
          AND FOR THE ONES WE'RE SAMPLING, WE ARE LITERALLY DIGGING HOLES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE METER TO GET DOWN TO THE SERVICE LINE, IDENTIFY WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS ON, ON THE CITY SIDE OF THE METER AND THE CUSTOMER SIDE. 
          ALL THAT DATA GOING BACK INTO MODEL SO FAR WE NOT DOWN THE LEAD LINE. 
          UM, DON'T ANTICIPATE. 
          SO WE BROKE IT UP JUST FOR EASE OF, UH, GOING THROUGH THE, UH, THE MODEL. 
          WE HAD ONE, ONE DATA SET THAT WAS PRIMARILY DOWNTOWN ISH. 
          ONE, ONE THAT GOT BACK TOWARDS SYM STREET, UM, KIND OF CENTER STREET BACK TO TRENT ROAD AREA. 
          T AREA. 
          AND THEN A THIRD ONE THAT'S 
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DOWN IN KIND OF DUCK WORKS ITS WAY BACK UP. 
          UM,  IN THAT AREA. 
          UH, WE, WE, THEY FINISHED THE INITIAL INVENTORY FOR THAT FIRST PHASE LAST WEEK AND I THINK THEY GOT TAKE A BREAK, BE BACK IN EARLY JULY TO START WORKING ON THE, THOSE TWO SECTIONS. 
          SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE BY SEPTEMBER, UM, WE'LL BE DONE WITH THOSE  AS WELL. 
          WE'LL HAVE ALL THAT DATA IN THE STATISTICAL, UH, RUN BACK THROUGH THE MODEL AND SPIT OUT OUR, OUR CONFIDENCE LEVELS. 
          UM, THE GOAL WITH IT IS WE SHOULD HAVE ZERO UNKNOWNS, UM, BEFORE NOVEMBER THIS YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE OUR NEXT TRIGGER POINT, HAVING TO SEND ANOTHER ROUND OF OUT. 
          WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT ALL HAVE A HIGH, WHAT ALL SERVICE LINES ARE BY THIS FALL. 
          SO BY AROUND NOVEMBER. 
          CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. 
          ALRIGHT, THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, NEXT UP IS NUMBER FIVE, FINANCIAL REPORT. 
          ALL IN YOUR TACTIC ON THE LEFT, YOU GUESS THE MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT, UM, CHECK THE BLUE COVER. 
          THIS REPORT INCLUDES, UM, IT'S INCLUDED YOUR MONTHLY DEPARTMENTAL REPORT EVERY MONTH. 
          AND IT CONSISTS OF THE BUDGET TO ACTUAL REPORT FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND PROPRIETARY FUNDS. 
          IT ALSO HAS SEVERAL FINANCIAL DASHBOARDS CONSISTING WITH CASH AND FUND BALANCE BASE, CASH ON HAND, A PROJECT, UM, PROJECT BUDGET TO ACTUAL REPORT AND THE HURRICANE REPORT. 
          SO MOVING INTO, UM, THE BUDGET TO ACTION REPORT FOR THE GENERAL FUND, THE, I JUST WANNA GO OVER THE SETUP OF THIS. 
          UM, THE FIRST COLUMN ARE THE REPORTING PANEL CATEGORIES. 
          THE TOP SECTION REPORTS THE REVENUES BY SOURCE AND THE BOTTOM SECTION REPORTS THE EXPENSES BY FUNCTION. 
          THE SECOND COLUMN CONSISTS OF THE REVISED BUDGET, WHICH INCLUDES THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR ALL WORKERS. 
          UM, AMENDMENT THAT ALSO THOSE AMENDMENTS INCLUDE THE, FROM THE PRIOR YEAR. 
          AND THIRD COLUMN IS THE FISCAL YEAR TO DATE ACTUAL EXPENDITURES THAT BEEN POSTED. 
          THE FOURTH COLUMN IS THE ENCUMBRANCES, WHICH IN THIS PICTURE HERE, YOU DON'T SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S FOR EXPENSES ONLY, BUT THOSE ARE PURCHASE ORDERS THAT NOT YET BEEN, UH, LIQUIDATED. 
          THOSE ARE OUR COMMITMENTS THAT, UM, WE STILL HAVE. 
          THE FIFTH COLUMN IS THE TOTAL OF BOTH THE YEAR TO DATE, FISCAL, YEAR TO DATE ACTUAL EXPENSES AND CONFERENCES TOGETHER. 
          AND THIS SIX COLUMN TAKES THE REMAINING BUDGET AND SUBTRACTS OUT THE, THE TOTAL, THAT SEVENTH COLUMN IS THE PERCENTAGE OF BUDGET USED. 
          SO THAT TAKES, UM, THE REMAINING BUDGET DIVIDE, I'M SORRY, THE TOTAL DIVIDE INTO THE REMAINING BUDGET. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, SOMETIMES WE'RE LOOKING, WHEN WE REVIEW THESE REPORTS TO SEE IF WE'RE IN THE 11TH MONTH OF 12, WE MAY EXPECT 92% I THINK IS THE AVERAGE. 
          AND THEN WE ADDRESS SOME THAT SEEM OFF. 
          UM, WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE REVENUES, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, SOMETIMES THOSE ARE OFF JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE, UM, DELAY, THE THREE MONTH DELAY IN COLLECTIONS OF TAXES, SALES TAXES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR, THERE'LL BE A MUCH LARGER GAP DUE TO BOTH THE, UM, SALES TAX REVENUE AND THE AVALOR TAX REVENUES. 
          ADDITIONALLY, IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ACTUAL, UM, CASH COLLECTED AS IT'S REFLECTED, BILLS REVENUES ONLY. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES. 
          AND THEN AS FOR THE EXPENSES, IT INCLUDES THE ENCUMBRANCES IN THAT TOTAL, WHICH SOMETIMES INCLUDE A FULL YEAR FOR THAT SERVICE AGREEMENT. 
          SO WE MAY SEE, OH GOSH, WE'RE ALREADY IN THE THIRD OR FOURTH MONTH, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S 90%. 
          THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S ALSO THE FULL YEARS IN CONFERENCE FOR AGREEMENTS. 
          SO IF, UM, WE HAVE ANY RED FLAGS, THEN WE GO AHEAD AND INVESTIGATE IT. 
          WE'LL SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THEN TRY TO NOTE THAT. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          I GUESS GOING THROUGH, UM, THIS SECTION, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE? UM, I KNOW THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT THE TAXES FOR THE REVENUES FALLING BELOW, AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAD A DELAY THOSE, UM, UM, RECEIVING THOSE REVENUES, THE INTER GOVERNMENTAL REVENUE IS THE POWER BILL. 
          THAT ONE'S PAID TWICE A YEAR, SO 
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THAT'S A DELAY AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THE, UM, PROCEEDS FROM BORROWING AND WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON THAT AND THE REVENUES. 
          AND THAT'S, UM, TWO THINGS IMPACT THAT NUMBER AND BOTH ARE PRETTY MUCH DUE TO TIMING. 
          UM, IF THE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE CAPITAL ITEM, UM, WE SUBMIT THAT THERE'S, IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE, THE BANK TREATS IT. 
          AND IF WE'RE RECEIVING THE MONEY UP FRONT AND WE HOLD IT, OR IF, UM, WE SUBMIT FOR REIMBURSEMENT AND ASK FOR IT, EITHER WAY, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT A REPORT, WHETHER IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT OR REPORT OF WHAT WE'RE DRAWING DOWN AND WHAT YOU SEE FROM LAST YEAR. 
          THIS YEAR, I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THEY GAVE IT, OR THE LAST BORROWING THEY GAVE IT TO US UPFRONT. 
          AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU DON'T GET THAT REVENUE THAT COMES THROUGH AS A REIMBURSEMENT. 
          THAT WAS WHEN YOU GET THE MONEY, WE HAVE TO REPORT THAT AS REVENUE IMMEDIATELY FOR THAT YEAR. 
          SO THEN THE UNSPENT THAT PROCEED SITS IN THE RESTRICTED FUND BALANCE. 
          SO YOU WON'T ACTUALLY SEE THAT TIE RIGHT OUT IF YOU WERE TO ADD THE REVENUES AND THE EXPENSES FOR CAPITAL. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY SOME REP, SOME LOAN PROCEEDS CAME IN LAST FISCAL YEAR OF WHAT SPENT LAST FISCAL YEAR THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SPENT THIS YEAR. 
          AND SO IT'S A CARRYOVER, BUT IT DOESN'T CARRY OVER THE REVENUE COLUMN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT IS NOT THAT IT WAS, IT'S ONCE WE COULD PAY STUFF THAT JUST DIDN'T GET RECEIVED YET. 
          AND OURS WAS $920,000 FROM, UM, LAST YEAR, THIS YEAR THAT WAS BROUGHT OVER THAT WAY. 
          SO THEN WE'LL HAVE THE REIMBURSEMENT, UM, FROM IF, IF THE BANK HOLDS THE FUNDS, THEN WE'LL GET ACTION, SIGNIFICANT REIMBURSEMENT. 
          AND THEN, SO AS THIS REPORT'S JUNE 11TH, 2026 MM-HMM . 
          ALMOST THE END OF OUR FISCAL YEAR WITH REVENUE UNDER EXPENSES. 
          BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S FROM SALES TAX MM-HMM . 
          REVENUE AND PAL BILL, WHICH WILL COME IN AFTER THIS FISCAL YEAR CLOSES OUT? YEAH. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE REVENUE, UM, FOR THE SALES TAX THAT WE HAVE REPORTED INTO RIGHT NOW IS FEBRUARY SALES. 
          SO THAT'S HOW FAR BEHIND IT IS. 
          WE WILL NOT HAVE JUNE UNTIL SEPTEMBER. 
          SO THEN AS THAT MONEY COMES IN, THEN WE POST BACK TO THAT FISCAL YEAR TO MAKE SURE WE RECORD THE TRUTH, UM, REVENUES AND EXPENSES FOR THAT FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO YOU SEE THIS, RIGHT NOW, THIS REPORT, YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING STRUCTURALLY WRONG OTHER THAN YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING STRUCTURALLY WRONG WITH REVENUE VERSUS EXPENSES. 
          IT IS SOLELY A LAG IN GETTING SALES TAX AND FUNDS THAT. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, WE WILL PROBABLY TAKE FROM FUND BEYOND AS WE HAD PLANNED TO BECAUSE WITH WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED IN THE, UM, FOR THE PROCEEDS BORROWING ARPA FUNDS THAT WAS ALREADY RECEIVED AND RECOGNIZED YEARS AGO. 
          AND SO THAT ROLLS INTO RESTRICTED FUND BALANCE. 
          SO WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN WE GET TO THE FUND BALANCE CHARTS LATER, YOU'LL SEE WHERE THAT REALLY CONSISTS OF, THAT CONSISTS OF OUR BUTTON. 
          SO WHEN WE'RE SHORT IN A SENSE AND WE'RE ABLE TO DRAW, WE'RE DRAWING FROM OUR RESTRICTED FUNDS THAT WE HAVE SET ASIDE FOR THAT FUNDING SOURCE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHERE, WHERE DOES OUR SALES TAX AND HOW BILL FUNDING COME FROM? THERE'S SEVERAL. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          WELL, POWELL, BILL IS THE STATE AID. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, THE SALES TAXES ARE PERCENTAGE OF SALES TAX RECEIVED FROM THE CITY. 
          SO THE STATE ESSENTIALLY CUTS US A CHECK FOR THE POWER BILL. 
          OKAY. 
          WHO CUTS US A CHECK FOR THE SALES TAX? THE, IT'S THE, COMES FROM THE STATE AS WELL, THE STATE AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE STATE REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO PASS THE BALANCE PLEDGE BY JUNE 30TH, BUT SOME OF THEIR FUNDING THAT IS DUE TO US WE DON'T RECEIVE IN TIME, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, WE DON'T, IT, IT, IT'S THEIR COLLECTION AND THEIR PAYMENT, UM, SCHEDULED. 
          SO NO, WE DO, WE DO HAVE DELAYS AND IT'S VERY NORMAL. 
          UM, AND DEALING WITH THE FUNDS FROM THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO TAKE AND LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY LOOK AT OUR, THE SALES, THEN THEY PROCESS THAT. 
          THEY HAVE TO THEN DISTRIBUTE IT, AND IT'S ALWAYS JUST SEVERAL. 
          WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT MONTH TO CLOSE. 
          SO THEN BY THE TIME WE GET THAT, THAT'S THREE MONTHS BEHIND. 
          BUT WE HAVE A REGULATION OF MAINTAINING AN 8% FUND BALANCE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO NOT HERE, BUT THERE COULD BE A SITUATION WHERE A CITY IS WAITING TO RECEIVE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN DELAYED. 
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SO THEY HAVE TO DIP INTO THEIR FUND BALANCE, WHICH THEY COULD GO BELOW THE 8% REQUIREMENT. 
          AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE DELAY IN GETTING THE FUNDING FROM THE STATE? WELL, THEY COULD IN THE, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UM, FUND BALANCE, TECHNICALLY AT THE END, END OF THE YEAR, THOSE REVENUES WILL BE REPORTED, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE RECEIVING 'EM IN JULY, AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, YOU STILL HAVE TO REPORT THEM IN A PRIOR FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO IF THEY DIP BELOW EIGHT, 8% AFTER REPORTING ALL OF THAT, THEY WERE TROUBLE TO BEGIN WITH. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THOSE REVENUES ARE NOT, WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS THOSE REVENUES ARE RECORDED IN FISCAL YEAR TO AVOID TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, TO AVOID LOOKING AT SOME KIND OF SHORTFALL. 
          BUT AS THE REPORT BEFORE US NOW, IT DOES NOT SHOW COLLECTION OF REPORT. 
          IT DOES NOT SHOW THOSE REVENUES IN HERE. 
          IT DOESN'T SHOW UP FOR MAY. 
          IT SHOWS IT THROUGH THE SALES MONTH OF FEBRUARY THAT WE JUST RECEIVED. 
          SO, AND THIS IS GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING. 
          SO IT'S BASICALLY LIKE THAT EACH YEAR. 
          YOU'RE LIKE THREE MONTHS BEHIND. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL CONSISTENCY CONSISTENTLY SEE THAT LINE SHORT THROUGHOUT THE THERE EVERY TIME REPORTS AT THE YEAR END THAT'LL, I'LL BE THERE ON CALL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN, UM, THE FUND BALANCE APPROPRIATED, JUST TO REMIND YOU, THAT LINE CONSISTS OF, UM, $825,314 TO NEW ORIGINAL ADOPTIVE BUDGET. 
          IT IS 2.7, JUST OVER 2.7 MILLION IN ASSIGNED, UM, BOARD PROJECTS FOR THE ARPA FUNDS OR FUNDS. 
          1.872 MILLION ENROLLED PURCHASE ORDERS FROM THE PRIOR YEAR, 2 MILLION IN ADDED  PROJECTS AND 118,077 FISCAL. 
          WHEN YOU SEE THAT NUMBER, YES, THAT'S LEFT BLANK, BUT THAT'S NOT DONE UNTIL THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          WAS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE GENERAL FUND? OKAY. 
          IF WE MOVE TO THE, UM, ENTERPRISE FUND, THE WATER FUND IS ZERO FUND BUDGET. 
          ECHO REPORTS ARE LOCATED AND EACH STUDENT, THE WATER FUND REVENUES ARE 2 55 7 22 OVER EXPENSES FOR THIS PERIOD, YOU'LL SEE THAT SOME OF THE BUDGETS FOR MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE IS 50%, WHICH IS LOWER THAN BUDGETED, AND THAT WILL BE ADJUSTED IN THE FINAL BUDGET. 
          UM, ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, UM, THAT'S JUST CONSISTED OF PRETTY MUCH SALES AND FIXED ASSETS, SALES THAT KIND GET THE REVENUES THAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED COMPARED TO PRIOR USE AND THE REIMBURSEMENTS AND TRANSFERS, THOSE ARE ALSO ADJUSTED A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, FOR FUND BAILS APPROPRIATED WITH $40,604 AND ROW PURCHASE ORDERS. 
          AND THEN BOARD APPROPRIATIONS IS THE, UM, AMENDMENTS. 
          THE SEWER FUND REVENUES ARE OVER, UM, OVER EXPENSES BY $333,444. 
          AND AGAIN, THE SAME THING WITH REVENUES. 
          THOSE ARE SHORTAGE OF, UM, SALES FIXED ASSETS AND SCRATCH REVENUE RENTALS. 
          UM, THE FUNDINGS INCORPORATED AND THAT IS CONSISTS OF $220,603 IN PURCHASE ORDERS AND CORPORATIONS THAT THE ELECTRIC FUNDS. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE TWO? WATER SEWER? CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE SHORTFALL IN REVENUES? I YOU SAID UNEXPECTEDLY THE WATER AND SEWER DID NOT GET AS MUCH AS PREVIOUS YEARS. 
          OH, FOR THIS MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES FOR THE SALE. 
          SO WE BUDGETED LOOKING AT HISTORICAL INFORMATION AND THEN THE, WE JUST HAD NOT RECEIVED THAT SAME AMOUNT 
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YET THIS YEAR. 
          SO THAT BUDGET WILL BE ADJUSTED WITH THE FILE BUDGET ORDINANCE MATTER. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT CONCERNED. 
          NO. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT DOES VARY ON WHAT ACTUAL, ACTUAL EQUIPMENT GOES OUT FOR SALE AND STUFF. 
          AND SO IT DOES VARY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE AT ELECTRIC FUND. 
          THE ELECTRIC FUND AND SOLID BASE IS AT PAGE THREE. 
          THE ELECTRIC FUND REVENUES ARE OVER EXPENSES BY 9,000,970 1009 $72. 
          THE, UM, SAME THING WITH THE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE. 
          THAT ONES 29%, SAME, SAME REASON AS THE OTHERS. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE FUND BALANCE APPROPRIATED THAT WITH THE TRANSFER, UM, TO FUND BALANCE REVENUE SETTLE TOGETHER IN THE FINAL BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. 
          UM, THAT'S NOTED IN NOTE THREE ON THERE. 
          AND THE CORPORATION CONSISTS BOTH POS AND APPROVED CORPORATIONS AND THEN ADOPTED AMENDED . 
          I THINK IT HAPPENED BECAUSE ONE EVENT WAS PUTTING IT BACK INTO GUN BALANCE AND WE HAD ALREADY HAD IT TAKEN FROM BALANCE. 
          SO THOSE TWO WILL GET MEED TOGETHER. 
          KIM, DOES THE, THE, THE BILLING DAY OR THE DAYS WITHIN A CYCLE, DOES THAT AFFECT THE DAYS CASH ON HAND? SO THE BILLING IS RECORDED IN THE REVENUES AND THE DAYS CASH ON HAND HAS NOTHING TO DO NECESSARILY WITH THE BILLING. 
          IT'S JUST WHAT'S GONNA PAY IN. 
          SO, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LIKE IF THERE'S A MONTH WHERE THERE'S 34 BILLING DAYS AND WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB AT COLLECTING THAT, WE COULD THEORETICALLY HAVE MORE CASH YES. 
          ON HAND AND WE WOULD IN A BILLING CYCLE OF 28 DAYS AND MAYBE THERE'S CHRISTMAS AND PEOPLE HAVE FELL OFF AND HAVE A PAID BILL. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE SOLID WASTE FUND REVENUES ARE OVER EXPENSES BY 258,499. 
          AND, UH, SAME INTERGOVERNMENT REVENUE IS AT 83.8% I THINK. 
          AND IT'S THE STATE DISTRIBUTION. 
          UM, THE LAST QUARTER'S OUTSTANDING. 
          WE ARE A LITTLE BIT BELOW THE TARGET RANGE FOR CHARGES FOR SALES AND SERVICE ADJUSTED IN THE FINAL BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT AS WELL. 
          AND THE SAME THING WITH THE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES. 
          JUST, UM, SALE OF SCRAP MULTI SERVICES SALE FIXED ASSETS, UM, ARE JUST LOWER THAN WHAT WE EXPECTED. 
          THE FUND BALANCE APPROPRIATING CONSISTS OF $13,028 ENROLLED PURCHASE ORDERS AND APPROPRIATIONS IN THE ADAPTED AND AMENDED BUDGETS. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, KIM? LOOKING AT, I COMPARE THE ELECTRIC SOLID WASTE AND THE WATERFRONT SEWER, LIKE WATER AND SEWER HAS A EXAMPLE. 
          WATER FUND HAS A FUND BALANCE APPROPRIATED OF 664,000, AND THEN THE REVENUE OVER THE EXPENSES IS 2 55. 
          IF YOU BACK OUT THAT FUND BALANCE APPROPRIATION, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THE REVENUES COLLECTED THE WATER FUND THIS YEAR, REVENUES COLLECTED THIS YEAR DON'T MATCH UP WITH THE EXPENSE AMOUNT FOR THE YEAR WITHOUT THAT FUND BALANCE APPROPRIATION, LIKE THE REVENUES ARE NOT SUSTAINING THE EXPENSE WITHOUT THAT FUND BALANCE APPROPRIATION? AM I READING THAT RIGHT? SO THE FUND BALANCE APPROPRIATE IS ONLY THE BUDGET. 
          THERE'S NO THAT, THAT TRANSACTION WILL NOT HAPPEN TILL THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. 
          SO I WOULD INCLUDE THE FUND BALANCE I WAS TRYING TO FOLLOW TO THE FUND BALANCE APPROPRIATED. 
          THOSE ARE ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT TO THE BOARD FROM THE ORIGINAL ADOPTED. 
          SO ANYTIME IT IS MOSTLY THE ROLLED POS, IT'S JUST WE HAVE TO, WHEN WE ROLL THE EXPENSE, WE HAVE TO ROLL THE REVENUE AS WELL, WHICH WOULD BE THE FUND BALANCE. 
          IT'S FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WHAT WILL ACTUALLY BE TAKEN OUT WILL DEPEND ON THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          BUT THIS INCLUDES EVERY BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD AND REMEMBER THAT SOME OF THAT IS SITTING IN RESTRICTED SURVEILLANCE TOO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THOSE REVENUES WERE RECEIVED IN PRIOR YEARS. 
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PAGE FOUR. 
          UM, THIS IS THE REVENUE AND EXPENSE CONTAIN CHART SO THAT YOU CAN JUST SEE THEM SIDE BY SIDE. 
          THE CHART GIVES YOU A QUICK VIEW OF THE REVENUES AND EXPENSES FOR EACH FUND. 
          THE GREEN BAR REPRESENTS REVENUES AND THE BLUE BAR REPRESENTS THE EXPENSES. 
          THE RED LINE REPRESENTS A NET AMOUNT, SO REVENUE MINUS, UM, EXPENSE FOR THIS REPORTING PERIOD. 
          AND THE YELLOW LINE REPRESENTS THE PRIOR MONTH'S RED LINE. 
          UM, SO LOOKING AT THE RED YELLOW LINE, YOU CAN SEE EACH FUND IS TREND ABOUT THIS TIME, UH, THE SAME AS THE PRIOR MONTH. 
          AND YOU CAN START TO SEE THEIR ELECTRIC REVENUES ARE STARTING TO CREEP UP AND ARE NOW ABOVE THEIR EXPENSES. 
          OKAY. 
          THE NEXT, UM, REPORT AND THESE FIVE PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE FOLLOWING CHARTS THAT YOU'LL SEE, UM, IN THE NEXT PAGE. 
          THE, ALONG WITH THE PERTINENT INFORMATION REGARDING COMPLIANCE AND REPORTING. 
          SO, UM, THE GENERAL FUND CASH AND FUND BALANCE CHART IS LOCATED AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE. 
          THE CASH REFLECTS FUNDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE, WHEREAS THE FUND BALANCE INCLUDES ASSETS AND LIABILITIES THAT MAY NOT HAVE YET BEEN CONVERTED CASH. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, FEMA REIMBURSEMENTS ARE RECOGNIZED AS REVENUE WHEN IT'S BILLED OUT AND INCLUDED IN THE FUND BALANCE, BUT THE RELATED CASH IS NOT AVAILABLE. 
          SUBPOENA IS RECEIVED. 
          THIS SHOWS HOW THE HURRICANE FUNDS IMPACT THE GENERAL FUND CASH AND INCOME BALANCE OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS. 
          UM, IN 2019, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THAT CASH WAS IN A NEGATIVE BY 7 MILLION THROUGH THE YEARS. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE REIMBURSEMENTS COMING IN. 
          AND THEN IN 2025, CURRENTLY WE HAVE $65 IN UNREIMBURSED EXPENSES FROM FEMA. 
          AND THIS SHOULD EXPLAIN WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, FOR THE CITY TO HAVE A REALLY HEALTHY CASH BALANCE BECAUSE WE LOOK AT EVEN PRIOR TO 2019 IS EVEN LOWER. 
          THE BLUE BAR SHOWS THE GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE AND THE GRAY BAR SHOWS THE GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE MET THE HURRICANE FUNDS ON PAGE SIX, THIS SHOWS THE DATA FOR THE CASH BALANCES AND THE FUND BALANCES FOR BOTH APRIL AND MAY. 
          THESE NUMBERS DRIVE THE TARS IN THE NEXT TWO SLIDES, YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR REPORT, IT SUPPORTS THE CORE CHARTS BELOW THIS ONE. 
          THE CHART TO THE LEFT SHOWS THE CASH BY FUND FOR THE MONTHS OF AUGUST, NOVEMBER, FEBRUARY, MAY FROM 2024 TO PRESENT, REFLECTING THE HIGH AND LOW PERIODS WITH THE GENERAL FUND. 
          THE TOP DARKER BLUE LINE, YOU CAN SEE THE DIPS DUE TO LAGGING REVENUES, MOST OF BRAD ALARM AND SALES TAXES. 
          THE CHART ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE GENTLE PHONE DAYS CASH ON HAND FROM JULY TO PRESENT. 
          THIS ALSO REFLECTS THAT DIP IN THE FALL MONTHS. 
          THIS CHART SHOWS THE THE BOTTOM. 
          UM, THIS CHART SHOWS THE BREAKDOWN OF FUND BALANCE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. 
          AND THIS IS, UM, AN IMPORTANT ONE THAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO SPEND SOME TIME ON OVER. 
          UM, FIRST IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE CALCULATION FOR THE CURRENT YEAR IS AN ESTIMATE AND IT WILL FLUCTUATE THROUGHOUT THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          THE TRUE PICTURE OF FUND BALANCE IS AFTER CLOSING THE BOOKS AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          THE GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE SHOWS 35 MILLION, BUT OF THE 35000017.4 MILLION, WHICH IS THE YELLOW IS RESTRICTED. 
          THAT ONE IS CONSISTING OF FUNDS RESTRICTED BY STATE STATUTE LIKE THE POWER BILL, MSB, CASH UNSPENT DEBT PROCEEDS AND NONS SPENDABLE LIKE INVENTORY AND PREPAID EXPENSES. 
          THE PURPLE, WHICH IS THE 2.1 MILLION, IS ASSIGNED AND THAT'S CONSISTING OF THE ARC ENABLE FUNDS AND SUB WITH YEAR FUND BALANCE ALLOCATIONS, WHICH FOR THIS IS $500,000 THAT WAS ADOPTED IN THE BUDGET THE NEXT YEAR. 
          THOSE TWO CATEGORIES CAN ONLY BE SPENT ACCORDING TO THOSE RESTRICTIONS. 
          HOWEVER, THE ASSIGNED FUNDS CAN BE REALLOCATED BY THE BOARD. 
          THE GRADE IS THE 12.9 
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UM MILLION, AND THAT'S COMMITTED FUNDS. 
          THIS MAINTAINS THE MINIMUM 25% FUND BALANCE POLICY. 
          THE CALCULATION FOR COMMITTED FUND BALANCE EXCLUDES. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THAT EXCLUDES NON FIRM CAPITAL NSC AND ART. 
          SO THAT LEAVES THE 2.6 MILLION, WHICH IS IN BROAD. 
          AND THAT'S THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE THAT IS AVAILABLE TO PROCREATE. 
          THE TOTAL AVAILABLE FROM BALANCE WITH PERMITTED PLUS THE UNASSIGNED IS 15.5 MILLION THAT IS AVAILABLE. 
          BUT KNOW THAT ONCE YOU USE THE 2.6, YOU'RE NOW DEBATING TO, UM, GOING UNDER THE 25% FOR POLICY, THE CHART ON THE WELL, LEMME BEFORE MOVE FORWARD. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          IS THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? DID YOU SAY THE 2.6, ONCE THAT'S USED, THAT WOULD BE BELOW THE 25 BENCHMARK OR THE 35 25 BECAUSE THAT, UM, COMMITTED ONLY SETS ASIDE THE 25% BECAUSE THAT WAS THE MINIMUM. 
          THE CHART ON THE RIGHT COMPARES THE FUND BALANCE AS A PERCENTAGE OF GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES, INCLUDING HURRICANE FUNDS, WHICH IS THE BLUE BAR. 
          AND EXCLUDING HURRICANE FUNDS, WHICH IS THE GRAY BAR. 
          THE TWO RED BARS INDICATE THE FUND BALANCE BENCHMARKS OF 25% AND 35%. 
          LOOKING AT 2022, YOU COULD SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO BARS. 
          IT WAS MUCH LARGER. 
          THERE'S A MUCH LARGER GAP IN THE PRIOR YEARS. 
          UM, THE HURRICANE, CURRENTLY THE ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE IS APPROXIMATELY 38% OF GENERAL FUND BUDGETED OPERATING EXPENDITURES. 
          HOWEVER, REVENUES AND EXPENSES ARE STILL BEING REPORTED IN THIS MENTIONED. 
          AND, UM, ANY QUESTIONS, KIM? YES. 
          HOW MANY DAYS ON HAND ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KEEP FOR OUR, UM, FUND BALANCE FUND? SO DAYS, CASH ON HAND OF THE FUND BALANCE. 
          SO THE FUND BALANCE, OUR POLICY, OUR TARGETS ARE 20, MINIMUM 25% TO 35%. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE DO NOT HAVE A POLICY FOR DAYS CASH ON HAND. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE DO REPORT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, PAGE SEVEN PROVIDES INFORMATION ON THE, THE FOLLOWING CHARTS REGARDING HOW TO READ THE CHARTS, THE POLICY BENCHMARKS, METHODOLOGY AND COMPLIANCE REPORTING INFORMATION AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE SEVEN. 
          THIS CHART COMPARES THE CURRENT DATE, CASH ON HAND WITH THE PRIOR TWO MONTHS FOR UTILITY FUNDS. 
          MAY EXHIBIT BLUE WATERS AT 320 DAYS CASH ON HAND SEWER 245, ELECTRIC 92 AND SOLID WASTE 1 64. 
          WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE REASONING FOR SUCH A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WATER AND SEWER FOR TODAY? CASH ON HAND AS FAR AS THE BENCHMARK, JORDAN, I SAY ANSWER , UH, ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO WE MADE A BUDGET, IF YOU LOSE SOME MONEY FROM WATER FUND BALANCE INTO THE OPERATING FUND TO COVER THAT WATER PLANADA PROJECT PUT IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          BUT WHEN GOT A JUMP ON THIS YEAR, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S WHERE THAT VEHICLE THE LAST, THAT'S FOUR $50,000 TO GET THAT ADA UPGRADE PROJECT. 
          SORRY, I MEANT THE, THE POLICY BENCHMARKS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'VE GOT, I, I KNOW THE 90 DAYS FOR ELECTRIC, I GET THAT MM-HMM . 
          BUT THE WATER BEING TWO 40 AND THE SEWER BEING 1 75, HOW DID WE CALCULATE THOSE? SO THAT POLICY, I HATE SAYING THIS, BUT IT WAS DEVELOPED BEFORE I GOT HERE, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW IT GOT TO THAT. 
          THAT'S BEEN THE, DO YOU KNOW JORDAN? IT WAS DEVELOPED WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE CITY'S FIRST REVENUE BOND PROCESS. 
          UM, THE CONSULTANT WE WERE WORKING THROUGH AT THE TIME, AT THE TIME, THEY CAME UP WITH LOOKING AT ALL OUR OPERATIONAL NEEDS, LOOKING AT WHAT, WHAT WE NEEDED FOR REVENUE. 
          BONDS CAME UP WITH POLICY FOR WATER SEW ELECTRIC. 
          YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, THEY, THEY SEEM OKAY. 
          I MEAN THAT, THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO RESERVE EMERGENCY THAT WOULD COME, UM, KNOW WHAT GOING THROUGH HURRICANE. 
          I THINK I'VE DONE SOME COMPARISONS ON THAT TOO. 
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AND I BELIEVE IT'S RIGHT AROUND WHAT THE REST OF THE MUNICIPALITIES SAID TOO. 
          I GUESS THIS IS KIM AND JORDAN TO THE MARY POINT. 
          I MEAN, IS THERE ANY, DO YOU ALL SEE AN ISSUE WITH, KEEP HAVING THAT DISCREPANCY WITH THE MINIMUM CASH ON HAND BETWEEN THOSE TWO FUNDS? SHOULD THEY BE EQUAL FOR THE POLICY? I MEAN, IS THAT, SO I WILL HAVE TO SAY I AM, WE HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING COMBINING WATER AND SEWER TOGETHER AND JUST HAVING WATER RESOURCES AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE DOING HERE IN THIS NEXT YEAR. 
          JUST WANNA WORK THROUGH THE, THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE AUDITORS. 
          UM, SO IT WON'T MATTER AT THAT POINT. 
          . 
          PERFECT. 
          WHAT WAS, EXPLAIN THE DIP AND CASH ON HAND FOR SOLID WASTE FROM THE PRIOR MONEY. 
          I KNOW THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, THAT. 
          I'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK TO SEE, UM, JUST BEING GREATER EXPENSE. 
          UH, YEAH, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK DEEPER INTO IT, BUT RECEIVABLE RECEIVABLE, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I, BEFORE YOU VOTE, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, AND I'M SORRY TO GO TO BACKTRACK ON PAGE SIX, THE FUND BALANCE EXCLUDED FUND CHART FROM 23. 
          I MEAN, DO YOU KNOW, COULD YOU LOOK INTO THAT NOW LOOK AT THE, THE FUND BALANCE, INCLUDING HURRICANE FUND 23 IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL AND THEN THE DIP TO 24 AND THEN FURTHER IN 25. 
          WHAT, I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE EXPENDITURES THAT IS CAUSING THAT DECLINE? UM, SO I HAVE LOOKED INTO THIS AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN 23, THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE DEALING WITH A LOT OF, UM, UM, DELAYS IN OUR, UH, RECEIVING OUR CAPITAL. 
          THAT WAS ALSO THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE WERE, I THINK THE FIRST FULL YEAR THAT THE TIME STUDY WAS FULLY IMPLEMENTED. 
          SALARY STUDY, SORRY, THE SALARY STUDY WAS FULLY IMPLEMENTED. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE INFLATION RIGHT AROUND THERE HAD GONE UP QUITE A BIT TO, I THINK IT WAS AVERAGE OF 8% I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT JUST WHAT HADN'T BEEN BUDGETED FOR THE, THE IN INCRE THE INFLATION COSTS NOT BEING BUDGETED FOR CAUSE ADDITIONAL BUDGETING DIFFERENCE. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? UM, WELL THERE'S A DELAY FOR THE 23, RIGHT. 
          SO 23 IS UP BECAUSE WE HADN'T RECEIVED QUITE A BIT OF CAPITAL. 
          WE STARTED RECEIVING, I THINK IT WAS A LOT OF STUFF WAS A YEAR, 18 MONTHS, TWO YEARS BEFORE WE RECEIVED IT. 
          SO WE DID RECEIVE QUITE A BIT IN THOSE FOLLOWING YEARS, WHICH DROPPED THAT. 
          AND THEN YES, WE HAD TO TIE THE SALARIES STUDY WAS FULLY IMPLEMENTED, SO ONE FULL YEAR. 
          'CAUSE WE HAD DONE THAT IN PHASES. 
          SO ONE FULL YEAR I THINK WAS THE FY 24 IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. 
          AND, UM, YOU JUST ASKED ME, I'M SORRY, YOU HAD ALSO SAID INFLATION. 
          I THINK WE WERE DEALING WITH INFLATION, SO YEAH, THE EXPENSES WERE MUCH HIGHER, MUCH HIGHER THAN ANTICIPATED THE BUDGET. 
          AND I THINK, YEAH, WE HAD, WE HAD TO DO A OF MONEY THAT YEAR AND KIM WOULDN'T ALSO, THE, THE REIMBURSEMENT OF FEMA COME INTO PLAY WITH THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, LIKE WHEN WE CLOSED OUT STANLEY WHITE, BUT MEAN WE PAID FOR THAT AS CONSTRUCTION WENT ON AND THEN WE WOULD GET REIMBURSED. 
          SO THEORETICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN SOME EXPENSES INTO ONE PHYSICAL YEAR AND NOT BEING REIMBURSED UNTIL THE NEXT PHYSICAL YEAR. 
          UM, THAT, I'M TRYING TO THINK BACK. 
          THAT COULD AFFECT MAYBE CASH ON HAND MORE THAN, UM, FUND BALANCE. 
          WE DID SEEK FUNDING FOR STANLEY WHITE ROCK, AND WE DID DO TWO, IF YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY. 
          WE DID ONE, OR IF YOU REMEMBER, UM, WE DID ONE FOR THAT SHORT TERM CASH KIND OF THING BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO DELAYS BEFORE WE RECEIVED REIMBURSEMENT FROM, UM, FEMA. 
          BUT THOSE WOULD ALL BE REPORTED 
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IN THIS SITUATION AS A THUMB DOWN. 
          SO THEY WOULD BE RECORDED IN THAT BECAUSE THE REVENUES WOULD BE THERE. 
          IT'S THE CASH THAT YOU WOULD SEE, UM, THE DRIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU HAVE FURTHER QUE I SAW, I SAW YOUR, I I PROBABLY WILL, BUT I'M, I'LL PROCESS IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS PAGE EIGHT. 
          THE DATE  SHOWS THE CASH BALANCE SPECIFIC COMPARISON AND CHANGE FROM THE PRIOR MONTH. 
          IT ALSO SHOWS THAT CALCULATION FOR DAYS CASH ON HAND, LOOKING AT THE WATER FUND, THE CHART ON THE TOP LEFT OPERATING FUNDS CASH BALANCE OF 12.674 MILLION, DROPPED ONE JUST UNDER 1.8 MILLION FROM THE PRIOR MONTH OF APRIL. 
          THE ANNUAL BUDGET OF $14,438,087. 
          THE BUDGET EXPENSE PER DAYS, YOU TAKE THAT AND DIVIDE IT BY 365 DAYS AND YOU GET 39,556 A DAY, DIVIDE THE CASH OF THE 12 6 5 39 5, YOU GET THE THREE 20 DAYS CASH ON HAND. 
          SO THAT'S HOW THAT'S CALCULATED. 
          THIS IS AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY DAYS YOU CAN MAKE IT, BUT THE CASH YOU HAVE IN THE BANK. 
          UM, AND THEN DUE TO TIMING, SOMETIMES THIS BUDGET AMOUNT DOES, UH, FLUCTUATE, MAY NOT NECESSARILY TIE RIGHT BACK TO THE REPORTS WE WENT THROUGH BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE PULLING THEM AT DIFFERENT TIMES DEPENDING ON WHAT DAY. 
          SO THE CHART TO THE RIGHT, UM, REFLECTS THE CASH FOR THE PERIODS OF MAY, AUGUST, NOVEMBER, AND FEBRUARY. 
          LIKE WE WENT THROUGH IN THE GENERAL FUND. 
          UM, THE RED LINE, IT REFLECTS THE POLICY BENCHMARK AND THE WATER FUND BENCHMARK IS TWO 40 DAYS. 
          THE SEWER FUND SHOWS 240 DAYS CASH ON HAND, AND THE BENCHMARK FOR THE SEWER FUND IS 1 75 DAYS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? UM, ALSO ON PAGE EIGHT, THE ELECTRIC FUND SHOWS 92 DAYS CASH ON HAND. 
          UM, THE CURRENT BENCHMARK FOR ELECTRIC IS 90 DAYS. 
          AND WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, THAT'S PRETTY LOW. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO AT LEAST INCREASE THAT TO 120 DAYS WHEN WE GET THERE. 
          UM, THE SOLID WASTE FUND IS AT 164 DAYS CASH ON HAND. 
          AND THERE'S NO CURRENT BENCHMARK RIGHT NOW FOR THE SOLID WASTE FUND. 
          SO IF THE DAY'S CASH ON HAND IS A INDICATOR, UH, WHY, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST GO AHEAD AND ESTABLISH ONE FOR SOLID WASTE? IS THERE A REASON WHY WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT? IT JUST WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, CASH ON HAND POLICY. 
          SO WHO WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT, BUT MM-HMM . 
          WHO, WHO DO WE NEED TO SEEK THE RECOMMENDATION FROM AND WHAT THAT SHOULD BE SET AT? WE CAN DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT. 
          DOES THE BOARD AGREE TO DISAGREE? NO, SORRY. 
          NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          OH, NO, WE'VE HAD SOME GENERAL DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, BUT CURRENTLY THERE'S NO STATEMENT REQUIREMENT FOR A CASH ON THE, SO I BELIEVE UNLESS KIM FINDS SOMETHING, UM, DIFFERENT WOULD BE JUST A CITY, CITY STANDARD. 
          SO NEXT, UM, WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND, BUT NEXT, UM, IS YOU'VE GOT THE AUDIT OR I MEAN THE, UH, ARPA ENABLED FUNDS REPORT IN YOUR PACKET. 
          SO ON THIS I JUST WANNA POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, AND I'D LIKE TO MOVE THOSE TO THE NON ALLOCATED. 
          THE UM, NUMBER TWO IS PROJECT NUMBER 2 9 0 3 5, THE EVERBRIDGE CEMETERY FENCE SCREENING LANDSCAPING, THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED. 
          AND WE HAVE A MEETING 6 2 20 3 CENTS THE FOLLOWING PROJECT. 
          THE 2 9 0 3 6 FOR TRENT STREET COMPLETE, HAVE A BALANCE, ARE NOT ALLOCATED IN WARD FREE. 
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WE HAVE A LITTLE BALANCE OF 913TH DOLLARS. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT TO NON ALLOCATED. 
          AND THEN IN WARD FOUR THERE'S $128 AND 48 CENTS. 
          YOU, I GUESS IF YOU WANNA MOVE IT TO ANOTHER AWARD OR OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN WORK BY, WE HAVE THE DOWNFIELD STREET IMPROVEMENT, UM, PROJECT. 
          BOTH HAVE BEEN COMPLETE AND IT HAS 82,000 4, 28 AND 90 ALLOCATED. 
          AND THEN FOR WARD SIX, WE HAVE THE COLLEGE PARK DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT IS IN, WITHIN THE BOND PROJECT, SO THAT'S 55,000. 
          AND THEN THE PINE STRIP PUMP STATION UPGRADE, THAT'S BEEN COMPLETE AND THAT HAS A BALANCE OF $15,070 AND 13 CENTS. 
          I'D LIKE TO BOTH OF THOSE, SO NOT ALLOCATED. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE YOU GOING TO BRING THAT BACK? I MEAN, DO YOU NEED DIRECTION OR ANYTHING FROM US IN, IN THE PAST? UM, WE JUST MAKE IT PUBLICLY AND PUT IT IN THE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT BECAUSE THIS IS ALL ONE DEPARTMENT, ESSENTIALLY I DON'T NEED ANY AND IT'S NOT FEDERAL DOLLARS. 
          I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION. 
          YOU JUST ALL AGREE. 
          AND, AND THEN I'VE BEEN MOVING THAT, SO YOU CAN JUST, ONCE THAT'S DONE, YOU CAN UPDATE. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE WARD TWO AND WARD FIVE, THEY DON'T HAVE A NON ALLOCATED LINE FOR ALL THEIR MONEY WE ESSENTIALLY SPENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'LL ADD THAT. 
          SO YOU'LL ADD THAT LINE AND THEN THOSE ALDERMAN WILL KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THAT FUNDING AVAILABLE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THE FLORENCE PROJECT. 
          UM, THESE ARE ON PAGE 10 AND 11 OF YOUR REPORT, THE PAGE 10, THAT IS PRETTY MUCH ALL GRAY. 
          THOSE PROJECTS ARE COMPLETED. 
          THE DARK GRAY ARE CLOSED, THE LIGHT GRAY ARE PENDING, CLOSED OUT. 
          THEY ARE CONSIDERED SMALL PROJECTS AND WILL BE CLOSED OUT AT ALL AT ONCE. 
          ON PAGE 11, YOU'VE GOT THE GREEN, WHICH REPRESENTS CLOSEOUTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED WAITING ON FEMA REIMBURSEMENT. 
          SO IF WE REQUEST THE REIMBURSEMENT AND WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR FEMA, THE BLUE REPRESENTS CLOSEOUTS THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THOSE, UM, THE TAN ARE OPEN PROJECTS THAT ARE, THAT STILL HAVE ACTIVITY. 
          THE TOTAL SPENT TO DATE IS 34,187,026. 
          THE REIMBURSEMENT TO DATE IS 26 MILLION 21 9 16. 
          OUR TOTAL OUTSTANDING IS 7,000,007 65,001 10. 
          WE HAVE SUBMITTED FIVE JUST OVER 5.9 MILLION, WHICH IS PENDING A P LOAN APPROVAL. 
          AND WE ARE CURRENTLY, UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 1.8 MILLION TO BE SUBMITTED FOR CLOSEOUT. 
          SO THIS IS YOUR, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, WHAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT FROM FEMA THAT ONCE EVERYTHING'S DONE, WE SHOULD BE EXPECTING TO RECEIVE RECEIVED? UM, THAT THE LAST THREE COLUMNS? YES. 
          I DON'T, UM, IT WOULD BE YOUR, THE 7.7 MILLION OUTSTANDING PLUS, UM, WHATEVER, WE STILL HAVE AN ACTIVITY, UM, THAT WE STILL NEED TO CLOSE OUT AND WE'VE ALREADY ABSORBED ALL THOSE EXPENSES. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SORRY, I KNOW THIS IS REALLY HARD FOR YOU TO PROJECT, BUT 1% OF FUND BALANCE IS ROUGHLY HOW MUCH   YOU CAN GET BACK TO US AFTER LUNCH IF YOU NEED TO. 
          I JUST THINK IT'S, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE BOARD TO KNOW THAT IF WE'RE CURRENTLY SITTING AT 38% FUND BALANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, ONCE WE RECEIVE THIS RE REIMBURSEMENT BACK FROM FEMA, WE'LL THEN BE AT 50%. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE SOME GUIDELINES ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I THINK IT'LL BE A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE, AT LEAST 4% MAYBE. 
          SO, SO HOLD ON, LEMME GO BACK TO THIS ONE CHART. 
          I THINK WE HAVE THAT PICTURE. 
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SO IF YOU WERE TO GO BACK TO THE FUND BALANCE ONE, IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          SO WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE FUND BALANCE, INCLUDING HURRICANE FUNDS, WHICH IS THE BLUE BAR, AND THEN THE FUND BALANCE EXCLUDING HURRICANE FUNDS IS THE GRAY BAR. 
          SO AS I TALKED THROUGH THIS OUT LOUD, THE EXCLUDING THE HURRICANE FUNDS IS WHERE WE WOULD BE IF WE GOT REIMBURSED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SOMEWHAT, BUT I THINK THAT OKAY. 
          THAT PROBABLY INCLUDES WHAT YOU'VE CLOSED OUT, RIGHT? THERE'S GONNA BE SOME IN HERE THAT HASN'T BEEN CLOSED OUT YET THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE IN THOSE NUMBERS. 
          YES. 
          A LITTLE BIT. 
          YES. 
          THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE, UM, YES, I GET, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE 1.8 MILLION I JUST REFLECTED. 
          OFTENTIMES WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROJECT THAT MAY COME UP THROUGH THE YEAR, THE QUESTIONS ALWAYS ASK HOW ARE YOU GONNA PAY FOR IT? AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUND BALANCE, WE ALWAYS SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S LIKE FUND BALANCE SITTING AT, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE 25 MINIMUM, WE HAVE THE 35 BENCHMARK IF WE'RE SITTING AT 45 AND WE KIND OF KNOW WE HAVE 10% OF FUND BALANCE, RIGHT. 
          THAT WE CAN SPEND AND STILL BE WITHIN THAT . 
          SO BECAUSE I THINK THAT SEVEN OR $8 MILLION ONCE IT GETS REIMBURSED, WE'RE ALREADY ABOVE 35% BENCHMARK. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IF WE GET 8 MILLION BACK FROM FEMA, THAT'S $8 MILLION MORE. 
          THAT IS UNALLOCATED, IT CAN'T BE SPENT. 
          BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT ARE YOU SAYING KIM, THAT THE GRAY BAR MM-HMM . 
          REPRESENTS THE AMOUNT, ASSUMING REIMBURSED OR IS THE GRAY BAR NOT INCLUDING THE 8 MILLION THAT THE MAYOR IS TALKING ABOUT? SO THE GRAY BAR DOES NOT INCLUDE THE HURRICANE FUNDS AT ALL. 
          SAY THAT AGAIN? IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE HURRICANE FUNDS AT ALL. 
          SO CONSIDERING THAT WOULD BE LIKE A WATCH THAT YOU GOT IT REIMBURSED. 
          SO THE GRAY BAR AND THE BLUE BAR IS THE COMPARISON OF WITH AND WITHOUT HURRICANE FUNDS. 
          THE BLUE BAR BEING HOW IT IS IMPACTING US. 
          AND THIS IS FUND BALANCE. 
          THIS ISN'T CASH. 
          SO THE, THE STUFF THAT WE'RE WAITING ON FOR REIMBURSEMENT IS RECORDED IN THE REVENUE SINCE WE'VE BEEN, AND IT'S SITTING ON THE BALANCE SHEET WAITING FOR THAT. 
          THAT MAKE SENSE? WHAT MAKES SENSE? THIS IS AN UPDATE ON THE RECOVERY OF THOSE OF THOSE FUNDS. 
          WE HAD A CONSULTANT AND OUR CONSULTANT YEARS AGO ON EARLIER HURRICANES, WAS WAS CHIEF BOBBY ASTOR. 
          AND THOSE FUNDS, BECAUSE THEY WERE LEAKING LIMB SEEMED TO COME IN PRETTY QUICK. 
          NOW WE'RE INTO MORE CAPITAL TYPE CAP FUNDS. 
          AND, UM, WHAT IS OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CONSULTANT AND IS THERE ANY NAMES BY WHICH COULD COLLECTION, COULD BE, COULD BE EXPEDITED MORE? HOW CAN WE LET THAT FUNDING QUICKER? SO, UM, ARE THIS, I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH FEMA. 
          CAN WE ANTICIPATE THESE FUNDS COMING BACK WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS, THE NEXT 90 DAYS? UH, ARE WE GONNA GET 'EM AT ALL? IS THERE AN ALLOWANCE FOR DOUBTFUL ACCOUNT ACCOUNT ACCOUNTING OF HOW MUCH DEBT WE WILL RECEIVE? SO, UM, UH, CONSULTANT CHANGES ALL THE TIME. 
          UM, WE HAD JUST RECEIVED, I THINK YESTERDAY 280, 86,000 I BELIEVE IS WHAT WE RECEIVED. 
          UM, AND I DO KNOW THAT THAT IS A RESULT OF US CON WE, WE ALWAYS MAKE CONTACT WITH THEM. 
          BUT TWO WEEKS AGO, I BELIEVE MAYBE THREE WEEKS AGO, UM, KIM ROSE, OUR ACCOUNT MANAGER, HAD REACHED OUT AND ASKED FOR AN UPDATE AND ASKED THEM TO JUST, JUST KIND OF GET STARTED AND LOOKING AT THESE CLOSE OUTS. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT IT HAS HAPPENED BECAUSE WE RECEIVED ONE CHECK. 
          SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL START COMING. 
          HOW OFTEN ARE WE RECEIVING REIMBURSEMENTS? SO YOU, YOU SAID WE JUST RECEIVED THAT 200 SOME THOUSAND, SO WE RECEIVED ADDITIONAL IN THIS BUDGET YEAR SO FAR, NO, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE. 
          I THINK THE LAST, I MEAN WE'VE GOT SOME SITTING OUT THERE SINCE 2025. 
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SO WE CAN REACH OUT TO THE CONSULTANT AND SEE IF THEY PUSH THIS ALONG A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE JUST YEAH, I MEAN ALL OF THAT WAS REIMBURSABLE TO BEGIN WITH, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO WHY WOULD WE NOT TO WHAT TIME OF THE ESSENCE BE, UH, WORKING THROUGH THE CONSULTANT TO EXPEDITE THE WE HAVE BEEN MM-HMM . 
          BUT I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, VERY BUSY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STATE. 
          I WAS IN WASHINGTON DC LAST WEEK AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SUPPOSED TO BE SOME FEMA FUNDS BEING RELEASED, I THINK JULY 2ND OR THIRD. 
          SO IF WE HAVE REQUESTS IN THAT'S BEEN APPROVED AND WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THAT TO BE SPENT OR REIMBURSED, IT COULD BE AS EARLY AS THE FIRST WEEK, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          AND THEN JUST FOR, UM, A RELEVANT EXAMPLE TO SEE IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY MM-HMM . 
          LET'S SAY ON EARLY JULY, WE GET A HUGE CHUNK OF THAT. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A FIRE STATION THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT THAT WE COULD USE THAT MONEY TO BUILD A FIRE STATION IN THEORY, IF WE VOTED FOR IT. 
          IS THAT, I MEAN, IS THAT THE KIND OF MONEY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE SEEING? THE REVENUES ARE ALREADY THERE, SO NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A BIG JUMP WITH WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT. 
          NOT, BUT IN OVER TIME AS WE GET REIMBURSED IN THEORY, SO RIGHT. 
          LIKE THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE MONEY TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO ALLOCATE TOWARD, FOR EXAMPLE, A FIRE STATION. 
          SO I THINK IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THE FIRE STATION, THAT'S GONNA BE A FINANCING MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT WOULD NOT BE A CASH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND HOW MUCH OF THIS MONEY IS BASICALLY STATE HOLD BACK? UM, IN WHAT SECTION? WELL, YOU TALKING AND MAYBE LIKE CAT D STUFF. 
          SO THE, BECAUSE THE ONES THAT ARE CLOSED OUT, THOSE ONES ARE CLOSED AND DONE. 
          THE, IT'S THE MANAGEMENT COST THAT THEY'RE, THEY HOLD 25% AND THEN THE, I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, THE AMOUNT SPENT TO DATE ON THOSE AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT REIMBURSED BY FEMA, THOSE, UM, AND THEN, I'M SORRY, HERE WE GO. 
           REIMBURSEMENT AND, UM, PROCESS PENDING FEMA APPROVAL. 
          THAT RIGHT THERE COULD CONSIST OF SOME OF THOSE, THAT 25% AS WELL. 
          BUT THOSE, ONCE IT'S CLOSED OUT, THAT'S WHAT IT, ONCE THEY CLOSE OUT, THEN THAT WILL GET PAID OUT AND THAT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF THE 25%. 
          AND THEN ANY ADDITIONAL EXPENSES WE STILL HAD TO, UH, REQUEST FOR REIMBURSEMENT. 
          SO IS THIS MONEY IN THE STATE'S HANDS NOW? UH, INSTEAD OF THE FED? NO, I THINK IT'S STILL IN THE FENCE, BUT STATE DOESN'T PAY FOR THE FED. 
          RIGHT? THE STATE HAS, UM, IT, IT'S WHAT, 25? 25%. 
          25 THE STATE MM-HMM . 
          BUT THEY, THEY DO THEY WAIT TILL THE FEDS WRITE A CHECK BEFORE THEY MM-HMM . 
          DIDN'T MATCH, RIGHT? I THINK SO. 
          HAVE YOU, YOU LOOK AT YEAH, I KNOW. 
          I FEEL LIKE IT ALL COMES TOGETHER IN ONE PAYMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I DUNNO HOW THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL LEVEL WORKED IT OUT, BUT WE RECEIVE IT AS ONE AND THEN DIVIDE IT UP BETWEEN SEVEN. 
          I THINK THE FED SEND ITS RALEIGH, IN RALEIGH AS THEIR 25% AND THEN RALEIGH PAYS US. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WAS WONDERING IF, IF THIS MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN SENT TO THE STATE, THE STATE'S, WHAT'S HOLDING OUT? BECAUSE I MEAN, A SIMPLE PHONE CALL WITH CHARLES EDWARDS MIGHT NO. 
          THAT YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. 
          WE'RE, WAIT, WE'RE, WE ARE WAITING ON THE, THE FEDERAL LEVEL. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS YOUR MONTHLY REPORT AGAIN INCLUDED YOUR MONTHLY DEPARTMENTAL REPORTS THAT YOU RECEIVED, THE QUARTERLY REPORT. 
          SO A REPORTER, YOU'LL ALSO GET WITH THIS, THE INVESTMENT REPORT AND THE DEBT CIVIL SUMMARY REPORT. 
          UM, IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WE PLANNING TO HAVE THE MULTI-YEAR FUNDS IN THERE AS WELL. 
          IT'S JUST VERY MESSY, DIFFICULT REPORT TO WORK WITH. 
          UM, BUT YOU ONLY SEE THOSE FUNDS EITHER. 
          SO I'D LIKE YOU TO SEE THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE OFTEN. 
          SOME DON'T HAVE MUCH 
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ACTIVITY, BUT IT'S GOOD FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THOSE. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, THERE'S TWO ARTICLES. 
          ONE IS WHY A BALANCE BUDGET IS NOT ENOUGH, EXPLAINS THE CASH FLOW AND THE FUND BALANCE. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE MYTH OF 8% FUND BALANCE. 
          THAT'S THE THANK YOU. 
          OH. 
          SO, UM, I THINK ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS, WE'LL ALSO TAKE A BREAK. 
          SO WE ESTABLISHED AN AUDIT COMMITTEE THREE YEARS AGO, THE OVERSIGHT OF THE CITY'S ANNUAL, UM, FINANCIAL AUDIT. 
          WE DISCUSSED THIS IN JANUARY AT THE BOARD RETREAT AND PROVIDED THE AUDIT COMMITTEE WORK PLAN. 
          I HAVE ALSO INCLUDED THAT IN YOUR PACKET TODAY. 
          THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMITTEE IS TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT OF MANAGEMENT AND BOARD ENGAGEMENT. 
          THE COMMITTEE CONSISTS OF THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, THE ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR, THE ACCOUNTING MANAGER, CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, THE MAYOR, AND TWO BOARD MEMBERS. 
          THE MAYOR AND THE BOARD MEMBERS PROVIDE GOVERNANCE OVERSIGHT. 
          THE COMMITTEE TYPICALLY MEETS THREE TIMES AT THE BEGINNING, MIDWAY THROUGH AND AT THE END OF THE AUDIT. 
          THESE MEETINGS ARE GEN ARE USUALLY VIRTUAL THROUGH TEAMS OR ZOOM, UM, WITH THE AUDITOR, THE FIRST MEETING IS APPROXIMATELY 30 MINUTES LONG, AND THE AUDITOR COVERS THE AUDIT PROCESS AND ANSWERS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          THE SECOND MEETING IS USUALLY AROUND THE LATE SEPTEMBER AND IS APPROXIMATELY 30 MINUTES AS WELL. 
          THE AUDITOR PROVIDES AN UPDATE OF THE WORK THEY HAVE DONE SO FAR, DISCUSSING ISSUES OR CONCERNS AND THE NEXT STEPS. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD AND FINAL MEETING IS HELD WHEN FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE AVAILABLE. 
          AND THIS IS EXPECTED IN LATE OCTOBER, THE SHERIFF. 
          AND THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 30 TO 45 MINUTES, DEPENDING ON THE AUDIT RESULTS AND QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE MAY HAVE, COULD GO SHORTER, COULD GO LONGER. 
          I'M ASKING FOR TWO BOARD MEMBERS TO VOLUNTEER TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE FOR THE FIRST MEETING. 
          THE AUDITOR HAS THE FOLLOWING DAYS AVAILABLE JUNE 30TH, JULY 16TH AND JULY 17TH. 
          THEY DO NEED ME TO RESPOND TOMORROW WITH THE SELECT THE DATE. 
          UM, SO IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD COMMIT TO ONE OF THESE DATES AT THE END, THE MEETING. 
          SO HE'S INTERESTED IN THIS EXCITING OPPORTUNITY, PARTICIPATING IN THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. 
          , WHO WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE? I'LL BRING, I, I'LL DO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE ONE. 
          REY SAID YOU WOULD DO IT. 
          SO YOU NEED ONE TO TWO MORE. 
          SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE DURATION FOR THIS COMMITTEE? IS THIS JUST TO FINALIZE THIS, UH, 26TH? YEAH, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE, WHEN WE, WE'LL DO THE INTRODUCTORY MEETING WITH THE AUDITOR. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU CAN ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU WANT AT THAT TIME. 
          AND THEN THE, UM, WE'LL GO MIDWAY THROUGH, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AND THAT'LL BE ANOTHER 20 TO 30 MINUTES AND THEY'LL DISCUSS WHERE THEY'RE AT ABOUT IT. 
          IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THEY FOUND, ANY CONCERNS THAT THEY MAY HAVE, UM, THEY'LL ANSWER QUESTIONS AGAIN AT THAT TIME. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD MEETING WOULD BE, UM, TO GO OVER THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT. 
          SO THREE TO FIVE MONTHS TIMEFRAME, APPROXIMATELY AN HOUR FOR ME. 
          SHARON AND TREY HAVE BOTH COMMITTED. 
          UM, IT'S TWO TO THREE. 
          SO IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO PARTICIPATE, THEY CAN AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND, AND SHOULD WE CALL THIS AN AUDIT WORKING GROUP TO THE AUDIT COMMITTEE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE REGARDING THE FINANCES? NO. 
          UM, THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. 
          I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO DO SO. 
          I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE IN 10 MINUTE RECESS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE ARE RECONVENING AFTER OUR BREAK. 
          I KNOW WE'RE WAITING FOR A COUPLE OF ALDERMANS TO STEP BACK IN. 
          UH, BUT, UH, THE CHIEF OF POLICE 
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WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE FOR THE EARLIER SECTION OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATES. 
          I BELIEVE HE'S HERE NOW, SO HE'S GONNA DO THIS PORTION NOW. 
          SO, CHIEF, SO, UH, THANK YOU AND I APOLOGIZE. 
          I WAS, UH, AT A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT. 
          SO I HAVE A FEW THINGS I DO WANT TO COVER WITH RESPECT TO PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          AND BEFORE I END, I, I, I WILL MAKE SOME BRIEF COMMENTS ABOUT FERAL CATS AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE, ARE TRYING TO WRESTLE WITH. 
          BUT THE FIRST THING IS, IF EVERYBODY COULD UTILIZE THE HANDOUTS THAT WAS PRODUCED. 
          UM, THE VERY FIRST THING I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS, UM, THE WORKLOAD THAT THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT SERVE, UH, THIS COMMUNITY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO PATROL, UH, DUTIES. 
          AND IN 2025, UM, WE RESPONDED TO, UH, SLIGHTLY MORE CALLS TO SERVICE THAN WE DID IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR. 
          NOW, OUR CALL FOR SERVICE IS ANY ACTIVITY THAT IS, UH, CHATTED, WHICH CAD STANDS FOR. 
          UH, COMPUTER, UH, AUTOMATED DISPATCHING. 
          ANYTHING THAT IS OFFICIALLY CADED CONSTITUTES A CALL FOR SERVICE. 
          NONE OF THESE STATS THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PROACTIVE PATROLLING. 
          SO A PATROL OFFICER FOR 12 HOURS IS DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT IS NOT A CALL FOR SERVICE. 
          SO ROUGHLY 46,000 TIMES LAST YEAR, A PATROL OFFICER WAS ENGAGED IN SOME KIND OF OFFICIAL ACTIVITY. 
          UM, AND IF YOU CAN SEE, BY BREAKING THESE DOWN BY PERCENTAGES, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF WHAT WE DO IS WHAT IS CALLED PROACTIVE POLICING. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGES, THE TWO OF THE TOP THREE HAPPENS TO BE SECURITY CHECKS AT RESIDENTIAL HOMES OR BUSINESSES. 
          SO OFTENTIMES PEOPLE WONDER, WELL, WHAT ARE THOSE POLICE OFFICERS DOING AS THEY'RE DRIVING AROUND, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT? OFTENTIMES THEY'RE OUT OF THEIR VEHICLES AND THEY'RE CHECKING ON RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE, UM, SECURE. 
          AND THE OTHER BULK OF ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN IS TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AND, UM, ADDRESSING THE INVESTIGATIVE DUTIES AT TRAFFIC CRASH, UM, THAT OCCUR HERE. 
          UM, AND AMONGST MANY OF THE THINGS THAT I OFTEN TALK ABOUT, UM, NOT JUST TO THIS BODY, BUT TO THE, UH, COMMUNITY, IS THE NEED FOR MORE, UM, ENFORCEMENT AND MORE EDUCATION IN TERMS OF TRYING TO CONVINCE OUR POPULATION TO SLOW DOWN AND DRIVE SAFER. 
          UM, WHAT I ALSO WANT TO SHARE IN THIS IS THAT, UM, 96.9% OF ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GENERATED ARE CARRIED BY ROUGHLY 65 POLICE OFFICERS. 
          SO 65 OFFICERS ADDRESSING 96.9% IS, UH, A LITTLE EASIER OF A SHARE. 
          3.1% OF THAT 46,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE ADDRESSED BY ONE AND A HALF EMPLOYEES. 
          THAT'S ONE FULL-TIME AND ONE PART-TIME ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER THAT ARE ADDRESSING 3.1% OF ALL CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT YOU DEAL WITH. 
          NOW, YOU MIGHT SAY 3.1% IS A SMALL NUMBER. 
          COMPARE THAT OR JUXTAPOSE THAT AGAINST THE THIRD 46,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE VERY BUSY, AND I'LL SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE OF FERAL CATS. 
          'CAUSE FERAL CATS IS AN ANIMAL CONTROL RELATED, UM, DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY. 
          IF YOU FLIP OVER THE, THE FORM, I'LL TALK MORE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE CRIME RATE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. 
          THE TOP, UH, CHART IS THREE FULL YEARS OF PART ONE FBI REPORTABLE CRIMES. 
          SO THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM HOMICIDE DOWN TO RC. 
          THESE ARE THE STATS THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO PRODUCE TO THE FBI. 
          AND THESE ARE REPLICATED THROUGH THE, UM, 18,000 OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN THE COUNTRY. 
          THEY ARE, UH, CORRELATED AND YOU CAN COMPARE THE CRIME RATES BETWEEN DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S THREE YEARS OF 2023 THROUGH 2025. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ONLY IN JUNE OF 2026, SO WE ONLY HAVE YEAR TO DATE DATA. 
          AND IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO GIVE SOME A COMPARISON WHEN I DEAL WITH YEAR TO DATE DATA. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THE SECOND 
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AND THE BOTTOM CHART IS FOR. 
          WHAT THIS IS, IS YEAR TO DATE DATA COMPARED TO THE SAME EXACT TIMEFRAME FOR THE THREE PREVIOUS YEARS. 
          SO WE ARE COMPARING THE SAME APPLES TO APPLES ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          SO FROM JANUARY, 2023 TO THE END OF MAY OF 2023, YOU'LL SEE ALL OF THE YEAR TO DATE DATA FOR THOSE EXACT SAME, UM, CRIME CATEGORIES. 
          THE FOURTH COLUMN THERE IS AN AVERAGE OF THE THREE. 
          IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT NOT TO FOCUS TOO HEAVILY ON ONE PARTICULAR YEAR BECAUSE THINGS CAN INFLUENCE, UH, PRIME AVERAGE. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE AVERAGES OF THE THREE PREVIOUS YEARS FROM 23, 24 AND 25 IS THE EXACT THEN COMPARE THAT TO THE CRIME STATUTE FOR JANUARY ONE THROUGH THE END OF MAY IN 2025. 
          AND IT'S A REMARKABLE STATISTICS TO, TO COMPARE IT AGAINST IN EVERY CATEGORY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ARSON, THERE HAS BEEN A DECREASE. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST A LITTLE DECREASE, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN THE NUMBER OF REPORTED CRIMES. 
          50% LESS HOMICIDES, UM, 76% LESS REPORTED RAPES, 78% LESS REPORTED ROBBERIES, AND 41% LESS REPORTED AGGRAVATED RESULTS. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE AGGRAVATED, UH, UH, AGGREGATED DATA ALL THE WAY DOWN THIS LINE. 
          THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN CRIMINALITY. 
          I'VE OFTEN SAID THAT THE POLICE CHIEF SHOULD NEVER TAKE CREDIT FOR THE DECREASING CRIME, NOR SHOULD, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF BE, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INCREASING CRIME. 
          HOWEVER, THERE'S ALWAYS A CORRELATION SOMEWHERE IN THERE. 
          ARE WE DOING THINGS CORRECTLY? ARE WE TRYING TO, UM, BE AS EVIDENCE BASED AND INTELLIGENCE LED IN TERMS OF HOW WE LOOK AT OUR DATA AND HOW WE DEPLOY OUR RESOURCES IN A WAY TO INFLUENCE, UM, THE OUTCOME OF THESE CRIME STATS? AND CERTAINLY, I, I AM AS A POLICE CHIEF, PLEASE, TO BE ABLE TO STAND HERE AND TELL YOU THAT CRIME IS INCREASING AND THAT IF YOU LIVE IN NEW BERN, YOU LIVE IN A SAFE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THAT IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO THOSE THAT WERE VICTIMS OF CRIME. 
          IT JUST GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT. 
          UM, AND I'LL END WITH THIS BEFORE ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE FERAL CAT POPULATION IS SOMETHING THAT I INHERITED WHEN I CAME HERE FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          THERE ARE, UM, TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT. 
          WELL, THERE'S MULTIPLE SCHOOLS, BUT I ONLY SPEAK OF THE TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT THAT IN INVOLVED FERAL CATS. 
          AND THOSE ARE, UH, VERY WELL INTENDED, VERY, UM, HARD, UH, UH, UM, INSPIRED MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO ENGAGE IN, UH, HUMANITARIAN RELIEF FOR CATS THAT DO NOT HAVE HOMES. 
          WE CALL THEM FERAL CATS. 
          A CAT IS A DOMESTICATED ANIMAL, WHETHER THEY'RE FERAL OR NOT. 
          A CAT IS NOT BUILT FOR, UM, UH, LIFE OUTDOORS. 
          THEY'RE JUST NOT, THEY'RE NOT BOBCATS. 
          THEY'RE DOMESTICATED CATS THAT HAPPEN TO LIVE OUTSIDE. 
          THEY LIVE A VERY, UH, UH, DANGEROUS AND, UM, VERY UNHEALTHY LIFESTYLE. 
          THOSE THAT FEED AND TAKE CARE OF FERAL CATS, UM, MY HEART GOES OUT TO THEM. 
          I THINK THEY HAVE, UM, ALL THE GREAT INTENTIONS IN THE WORLD, BUT THERE ARE HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERNS THAT FOLLOW THAT. 
          UM, THEIR ACTIVITIES. 
          THERE IS CURRENTLY SOME LANGUAGE IN OUR CITY ORDINANCE THAT DIRECTLY RELATE TO THIS. 
          HOWEVER, OVER THE FIVE YEARS WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FERAL CATS, ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH TRAP NEW TO RELEASE, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS TNR. 
          UM, AND SOME OF THE AGREEMENTS WE HAVE MADE WITH CERTAIN PARTIES TO ALLOW SOME OF THESE ACTIVITIES TO OCCUR HAS PLACED US IN A TENTATIVE, UH, SITUATION IN WHICH WE, UH, EITHER HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION THAT WE ARE ALL IN OR ALL OUT OF THE, UM, FERAL CAT ISSUE. 
          MEANING THIS, THAT OUR ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THINGS LIKE IF YOU FEED AN ANIMAL, YOU BECOME THE CUSTODIAN OF THAT ANIMAL AND YOU OWN CERTAIN, UM, UH, UH, OUTCOMES OF WHAT THOSE 
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ANIMALS DO. 
          NOW, FROM THE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, IF I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I HAVE TWO IN THE ROOM HERE, THEY WILL ALWAYS TELL YOU THAT THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE ON THE SIDE OF GOVERNMENT. 
          GOVERNMENT HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF TO PROVE THAT IF A PERSON HAS VIOLATED THE LAW THAT THEY HAVE, IN FACT, BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, UH, UM, VIOLATED THE LANGUAGE OF AN ORDINANCE. 
          AND WITH RESPECT TO FERAL CAST IS NOT AN EASY OUTCOME. 
          IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR, UM, GOVERNMENT TO SAY THAT THE FERAL CAT THAT HAPPENED TO HAVE CREATED THE BAD OUTCOME, UH, AT A RESIDENTIAL HOME IS THE SAME IN FACT FERAL CAT THAT IS BEING FED DOWN THE STREET. 
          NOW WE CAN DRAW SOME REASONABLE CONCLUSIONS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, HOW DO YOU PROVE THAT THAT PARTICULAR CAT CREATED THIS PROBLEM? YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A, UH, GREAT DEAL OF ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, THE CITY MANAGER, OUR, UM, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL. 
          WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND WE ARE CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW BEST TO ADDRESS THIS. 
          I THINK THAT, UH, IT'S A, UM, IT'S, IT'S A FAIR STATEMENT TO SAY THERE IS SOME POLITICAL, UH, UH, CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN HOW GOVERNMENT ENFORCEMENT SHOULD OCCUR IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT IS THE WILL OF, OF THE ELECTED BODY DO WE NEED TO READJUST OUR ORDINANCES TO TIGHTEN THOSE UP. 
          THESE ARE ALL PARTS OF MUCH FURTHER CONVERSATION. 
          AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU, I DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU TODAY, BUT, UM, I I WANTED TO PROVIDE AS MUCH TRANSPARENCY AS I COULD BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE DEALING WITH THIS, UM, IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, MUCH THE SAME WAY WE DEAL WITH THIS IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, UM, AND ALSO IN OUR PARKS AND RECREATIONS, UM, SPACES. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN. 
          BOARD CHIEF, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          IS THERE, IF A CITIZEN IS EXPERIENCING A  ISSUE THAT, UM, THE, THEIR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS ACTUALLY FEEDING AND GIVING HIS CAT, WERE, IF THAT CITIZEN CAN TAKE PICTURES OF THE, OF THIS PERSON FEEDING THESE CATS AND WATERING THESE CATS, WOULD THAT BE EVIDENCE ENOUGH TO TRY TO, UH, I MIGHT SAY, DETER THIS INDIVIDUAL FROM FEEDING AND THESE CATS OR WHATEVER? 'CAUSE IT BECOMES A PROBLEM. 
          LIKE I SAID, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO MAKE MY ANSWER A LITTLE BIT EASIER. 
          UM, IN, IN MANY CASES, THE THE PERSONS WE DEAL WITH ARE, ARE, I'M NOT TRYING TO DECEIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          THEY WILL TELL US, AND THEY'RE VERY TRANSPARENT. 
          I DO THIS, I DO THIS EVERY DAY. 
          THIS IS WHY I DO THIS. 
          I DO THIS IN THE OPEN, EVERYBODY SEES WHAT I'M DOING. 
          SO THE THE BURDEN OF PROOF THAT THE, THAT THE, UH, THE CITIZEN IN QUESTION IS IN FACT FEEDING CATS IS, IS NOT IN QUESTION. 
          IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO FEED CATS. 
          I WANNA MAKE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR. 
          YOU ARE ALLOWED TO FEED CATS JUST LIKE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO FEED THE DUCKS. 
          YOU'RE ALLOWED TO FEED THE, UH, OTHER ANIMALS. 
          UM, I I FEED HERDS ALL THE TIME WITH A BIRD FEEDER. 
          YOU GO TO UNION POINT PARK, YOU SEE THEM FEEDING THE DUCKS THERE TOO. 
          THE ISSUE COMES ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO WHAT RESPONSIBILITY DOES THE PERSON WHO'S FEEDING THESE CATS, WHAT RESPONSIBILITY DO THEY HAVE WITH RESPECT TO THE, UM, WHAT THOSE CATS DO IN A PRIVATE SETTING TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S HOME? AND THEN HOW DO WE PROVE THAT THE DAMAGE IN FACT THAT HAS OCCURRED WAS A RESULT OF THE SPECIFIC CATS THAT WERE FED BY THE NEIGHBOR. 
          THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WAS TRYING TO SAY IT'S NOT AS EASY AS THE FORM MINE ADDITIONALLY ALL INVESTED. 
          I MIGHT HELP TH WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE ON THE CLOS THAT MAKES IT ILLEGAL TO ABANDONED ANIMALS OR ENABLE THEM TO BE A ANCE. 
          UM, AND I THINK IN THE PAST, PREVIOUS BOARDS HAVE DESIGNATED AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE THAT PREVIOUS BOARD FELT THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR PEOPLE TO FEED FERAL CATS, UM, AND TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THEM IN CONNECTION WITH TNR PROGRAMS. WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEARS, AND I THINK CHIEF WOULD AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT, IS THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES WHERE PEOPLE ARE FEEDING THE FERAL CATS HAVE EVOLVED AND SPILLED OUT OF THOSE DESIGNATED AREAS. 
          I THINK ALSO THERE 
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MIGHT BE SOME ARGUMENT THAT THE TNR PROGRAMS, UM, HAVE ENABLED THE CAT POPULATIONS TO BE CURTAILED TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY BALANCING EXTERNALITIES SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, IMPACTS TO WILDLIFE SUCH AS BIRDS AND THOSE TYPES OF ENVIRONMENTS AND IMPACT TO NEIGHBORING PEOPLE WHO OWN PROPERTIES. 
          SO THE TENSION THAT THE CHIEF IS STRUGGLING WITH IS HOW DO WE, UM, ENFORCE THIS ORDINANCE WHEN WE HAVE DIRECTION FROM PREVIOUS BOARDS SAYING, LET PEOPLE FEED FERAL CATS AND, UM, COOPERATE OR ACCOMMODATE THESE TR PROGRAMS. AND ONE OF THE OTHER POINTS THAT I WANT TO MAKE IS EVEN IF WE CATCH A PERAL CAT AND THERE IS NOT SPACE AT THE ANIMAL CARE FACILITY THAT THE COUNTY RUNS, AND MORE TIMES THAN NOT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE AT FULL CAPACITY. 
          THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. 
          WE, WE HAVE TO RELEASE THE CAT EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS CAUGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE NO PLACE TO TAKE IT AND YOU CAN'T RELOCATE. 
          SO FOR INSTANCE, THE THE SUGGESTION IS WE'LL JUST TAKE IT OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTY AND DROP IT OFF THERE. 
          WELL, THAT'S A CRIME. 
          YOU CANNOT ABANDON A DOMESTICATED ANIMAL THAT'S IN A TNR SENSE. 
          IT'S THE RELEASE PART, THE TRAPPING, THE NEUTERING IS LEGAL RELEASING A DOMESTICATED ANIMAL'S CRIME ON UNDER THE GENERAL STATUE OF NORTH CAROLINA. 
          WELL, SOMEONE BROKE THE LAW SIX TIMES. 
          YES. 
          OR LAST WEEK BECAUSE THERE WAS 6, 6, 6 WEEK OLD KITTENS ABANDONED AT ONE OF THE SITES. 
          AND I DON'T WANT TO MENTION THE NAME 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO THINK THEY CAN TAKE THEIR CATS OUT THERE OR WHATEVER. 
          UH, I KNOW YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THAT EMAIL AS WELL, RIGHT? THERE WAS SIX KITTENS FOUND IN A BOX. 
          YEAH. 
          WHERE THEY WERE ABANDONED. 
          UM, THE, THE PROBLEM IS, IF IT WASN'T FOR SOME OF THESE VOLUNTEERS DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WE WOULD BE OVERRUN WITH CATS. 
          THEY STAYED AND NEUTERED A LOT OF TIMES OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS. 
          2,800 CATS. 
          UH, AND THERE'S 600 MORE ON THE WAITING LIST. 
          UH, THERE'S NO, THIS PROBLEM'S NEVER GOING GO AWAY. 
          AS LONG AS PEOPLE CONTINUE RELEASING THEIR CATS, IT'S NEVER GOING TO GO AWAY. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MAJOR EDUCATION, AND I KNOW YOUR POLICE OFFICERS DON'T HAVE TIME TO SIT AROUND AND WATCH SOMEBODY THROW A CAT OUT OF, YOU KNOW, AT A, AT AN AREA WHERE THEY'VE BEEN THROWING 'EM OUT AT. 
          I KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. 
          THERE'S OTHER THINGS THEY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE INTO SOME SECURITY CAMERAS OR SOMETHING MIGHT HELP. 
          UH, BUT IF IT WASN'T FOR THESE VOLUNTEERS CAPTURING AND SPAY NEUTERING THESE TASKS, WE WOULD BE OVERRUN WITH 'EM. 
          I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO MISUNDERSTAND MY LAST STATEMENT. 
          MY LAST STATEMENT WAS ONLY WHY OUR ANIMAL CONTROL CANNOT RELEASE CATS IN ANY OTHER LOCATION. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND TOO, IF YOUR ANIMAL CONTROL, EXCEPT A CAT AND HIS EAR HAS BEEN TIPPED, WHICH MEANS IT'S BEEN INS SPADE AND NEU OR NEUTERED, THE HUMANE SOCIETY OR, OR, OR YOUR ANIMAL CONTROL OR SHELTER, THEY WON'T TAKE IT. 
          WON'T TAKE IT. 
          WE RELEASE. 
          AND NOW WHAT DO YOU HAVE? THERE'S NOTHING YOU DO. 
          AND JUST ABOUT EVERY CAT THAT IS IN ONE OF THE LOCATIONS THAT STARTED OUT, I THINK SHE, WELL, YOU INCLUDED IN THIS LANEY, I THINK SHE SAID SHE STARTED OUT WHEN THEY, UM, STARTED DOING THIS PROGRAM, THERE WAS 80 CATS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          NOW THEY'RE DOWN TO 26. 
          SOME, I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE HUNDREDS, AND NOW THEY'RE DOWN TO ABOUT 80. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS, BUT IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THEY, ONCE THERE'S PAID AND NEUTERED AND RELEASE THEIR, THEIR LIFESPAN OUTSIDE IS NOT VERY LONG. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY JUST, THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, SO I, I'M, I'M NOT A CAT PERSON, BUT I CERTAINLY HATE TO SEE ANYBODY TAKE AN ANIMAL AND JUST DRIVE IT OUT SOMEWHERE AND THROW IT OUT. 
          ESPECIALLY A BOX OF KITTENS. 
          UH, AND IF AGAIN, IF IT WASN'T FOR THESE VOLUNTEERS OUT THERE PICKING THESE CATS UP AND HAVING 'EM FIXED, WE WOULD BE, INSTEAD OF A HUNDRED OR 80 CATS, IT'D BE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF CATS OUT IN SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS. 
          EXPONENTIAL. 
          SO CHIEF, ARE YOU, 
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IS THIS, I KNOW THEY CAME BEFORE THE BOARD, BEFORE THIS GROUP THAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO, UH, TAKE ON THAT PROJECT OF, OF SPADE AND NEUTER AND THE CATS ARE, ARE THEY, DO YOU KEEP IN TOUCH WITH THEM OR DO THEY KEEP IN TOUCH WITH YOU, GIVE YOU REPORTS OR ANYTHING? OR IT'S JUST THAT THEIR ORGANIZATION IS OUT THERE ALONE AND THEY'RE STILL DOING, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL DOING THIS? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OUR AGREEMENT WITH THIS GROUP IS THAT WE COULD BE A REFERRAL ONLY. 
          SO IF A CITIZEN COMES TO US AND SAYS WE HAVE A FEDERAL CAT PROBLEM, WE WOULD SAY, THERE IS THIS ORGANIZATION. 
          THEY ARE INDEPENDENT OF THE CITY. 
          YOU CAN CONTACT THEM IF YOU WANT, BUT IT COMES WITH SOME STIPULATION. 
          STIPULATION NUMBER ONE, IF THEY COME OUT AND CATCH AND NEUTERED, THEY BRING THE CAT BACK TO THE SAME EXACT LOCATION. 
          SO A LOT OF CITIZENS ARE LIKELY REALLY NOT HELPING ME BECAUSE YOU, YOU'VE TAKEN THE CAT, BUT YOU, I'M GONNA SEE THE CAT BACK AFTER IT'S BEEN NEUTERED. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SUCCESS RATE IS FOR THAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, THE CITY OF NEW BERN IS NOT IN A TNR PROGRAM. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE AN OFFICIAL TNR PROGRAM. 
          WELL, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO UPDATE OUT, TO, UH, IMPLEMENT SOME SOMETHING IN OUR ORDINANCE FOR HIS REFERENCE TO, UH, I'M GOING TO SAY, UH, THESE CATS BEING, BECOMING A NUISANCE TO CITIZENS. 
          IS THERE SOMETHING IN OUR ORDINANCE? CAN WE, WELL, WHAT WOULD YOU DO REALLY? I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE PLACE. 
          I MEAN, OKAY. 
          JUST SAY FOR INSTANCE, I'M GONNA USE YOU AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          IF YOU HAD A NEIGHBOR BESIDE YOU AND THEY FEEDING 10 TO 12 CATS, IT WOULD BECOME A NUISANCE TO YOU. 
          SURE. 
          SO WOULDN'T YOU LIKE FOR THERE TO BE SOME KIND OF CLAUSE IN OUR ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING PUT IN OUR ORDINANCE TO SAY, WELL, YOU GONNA GET FINED YOU SOME KIND OF FINE, I I'M NOT GONNA SAY A NUMBER OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE YOUR CATS IS BECOMING A NUISANCE TO ME. 
          THEY'RE JUMPING ON MY CAR, THEY'RE SCRATCHING MY CAR, THEY'RE GOING UP INTO MY CAR CAUSING MEAN MECHANICAL PROBLEMS. IT'S COSTING ME MONEY. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES GOING ON. 
          IT'S, IT'S UNHEALTHY AND SAFE BECAUSE OF THEIR, UH, THEIR, THEIR DAILY FEED AND AND DISPOSAL ISSUE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. 
          SO I DON'T, I THINK THAT, AND I KNOW THIS IS, UH, OPEN SUBJECT THAT'S GOT A LOT INVOLVED WITH TRYING TO GET, COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR THESE CATS. 
          SO, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU, I WOULD DEFER BOARD WOULD BE AMENABLE TO DOING? I MEAN, I, I WOULD DEFER PART OF THE ANSWER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY, BUT THIS, YOU'RE THE BOARD OF ALMOND. 
          YOU SET THE CONDITIONS BY WHICH, UH, ORDINANCES ARE PASSED OR NOT PASSED. 
          SO, SO CHIEF IN THAT EXAMPLE THAT ALDER INVEST GAVE, DOES THE PERSON FEEDING THOSE FERAL CATS BECOME TECHNICALLY THE CAREGIVER AND THE OWNER OF THOSE CATS? THEY BECOME THE CAREGIVER. 
          THEY ARE NOT TECHNICALLY THE OWNER. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST SEMANTICS. 
          ONLY WHEN YOU BECOME THE, IN FACT, IF YOU'RE THE CAREGIVER, YOU HAVE CERTAIN RESPONSIBILITIES LIKE PROVIDING SHELTER, MEDICAL CARE AND THESE TYPES OF THINGS AS DEFINED BY THE ORDINANCE. 
          BUT I'D LET THE CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDE A LITTLE, SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT OUR ANIMAL CONTROL ORDINANCE SAYS YOU CAN HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PETS, YOU CAN HAVE IT NO MORE THAN SEVEN CATS OR DOGS PROVIDED THEY ARE OVER THE AGE OF FOUR MONTHS OLD. 
          SO WE, WE CAN CHANGE THAT. 
          WE CAN SAY YOU CAN HAVE NO MORE THAN THREE. 
          YOU CAN CHANGE IT. 
          AND TO ALDERMAN BEST'S POINT, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS THAT MAKES IT ILLEGAL FOR A PERSON TO ENGAGE WITH ANIMALS SUCH THAT IT CREATES A NUISANCE. 
          SO THE QUESTION I THINK FROM THE CHIEF'S PERSPECTIVE IS WE HAVE THE CIRCUMSTANCE IN SOME CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AREAS IN OUR CITY WHERE ARGUABLY PEOPLE ARE PERMITTED TO FEED CATS, UM, AND ALLOW THEM TO ENGAGE IN NUISANCE LIKE ACTIVITIES LIKE THAT, NAME BIRDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO IF WE ARE, IF, IF THE ATTITUDE OF THIS BOARD IS THAT WE DO NOT WANT CATS OR DOMESTIC DOMESTICATED ANIMALS CREATING NUISANCES IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN, THEN WHAT'S GOOD FOR ONE IS WHAT'S GOOD FOR ALL. 
          AND IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE BOARD, THE CHIEF NEEDS SPECULATION. 
          WE HAD YEARS AGO TRIED TO, WELL, AT THE BOARD OF HARLEM, WERE TALKING ABOUT LIMITING THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS A PERSON CAN HAVE AND IT BROUGHT PEOPLE OUT OF THE WOODWORK. 
          AND I CAN, I KNOW IT, FOR EXAMPLE, I SAT THERE AND LISTENED TO ONE GUY THAT LIVED OUT IN, UM, OUT NEAR BOSCH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE ROAD, DON'T HAVE, BUT HE DEER HUNTED AND ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, RABBIT HUNTER AND STUFF. 
          AND THEY HAD THESE GUYS IN 
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10 NEAR A HOUSE. 
          UM, AND THAT BECAME AN ISSUE. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU LIVING A GUY OF THREE RABBIT DOGS AND HE'S A BIG RABBIT HUNTER. 
          YOU GO UP, PROBABLY SHOULD, LEMME SEE YOU PROBABLY MIGHT BE RIGHT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? HE WASN'T LIVING IN THE CITY WHEN HE GOT THOSE, THE CITY WENT OUT AND TOOK HIM AND PUT HIM IN THE CITY. 
          UH, AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO ISSUES. 
          ONE IS WHEN PEOPLE OWN ANIMALS AND EXERCISE CUSTODY DOMAIN AND CONTROL OVER THOSE ANIMALS AT THEIR HOME, THAT'S ONE SET OF REGULATIONS. 
          THEN THERE'S A SEPARATE SET OF ISSUES WHERE THERE ARE FERAL CATS OR DOGS WHERE THESE ARE CATS THAT JUST ROAM. 
          THEY DON'T LIVE IN ANY PARTICULAR PLACE, BUT WE HAVE CITIZENS IN OUR COMMUNITY, ALBEIT WELL-MEANING WHO ARE PROVIDING CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CARE TO THOSE ANIMALS WHO THEN WREAK HA IT ARGUABLY, UM, ELSEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO THERE TWO ISSUES. 
          IS THERE ALSO IN THAT SECOND CATEGORY, IS THERE A CAVEAT THAT IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD SETTING? NO. 
          THERE, THERE WE DON'T THAT I, I CHECKED THAT IT, IT'S NOT CONTINGENT ON WHETHER IT IS A, YOU KNOW, ZONE FOR ONE THING AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER. 
          FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE CAT POPULATIONS OVER BEHIND, UH, SOME OF THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN, BEHIND TARGET, BEHIND WALMART. 
          THOSE ARE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. 
          THEN WE HAVE RIGHT DOWN NEAR BOSTON CREEK PARK, WE HAVE A HUGE CAT POPULATION OUT THERE WITH PEOPLE TO COME EVERY DAY TO FEED THOSE CATS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE ON MONROE AVENUE,  STREET, WHERE THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          AND THAT COULD BE REPLICATED IN, IN SEVERAL OTHER COMMUNITIES. 
          UM, SO BUT THE, THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T DIFFERENTIATE COMMERCIAL DIFFERENTIATE RESIDENTIAL. 
          THE, SO, SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 
          IF, IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE BOARD HAS GIVEN MIXED DIRECTION IN THE PAST, IT'S OKAY TO DO IT HERE BECAUSE THIS GROUP IS MANAGING IT, BUT IT'S NOT OKAY TO DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          IF THE BOARD TAKES A STANCE AND SAYS, OKAY, FINE, WE'LL BE CONSISTENT. 
          WE CAN'T DO IT ANYWHERE. 
          SO THE CHIEF GOES AND STARTS PICKING UP ALL THESE CATS, WHAT DO YOU DO? THERE'S NOWHERE TO TAKE THEM, RIGHT? NO. 
          THE ONLY THING COULD POSSIBLY DO IS CHARGE AND FIND THOSE FEEDING CATS. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT CHARGE BUYING WHAT? THOSE THAT FEED THE CATS. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO FIX THE PROBLEM. 
          THAT'S NOT, NO, THAT'S NOT GONNA FIX THE PROBLEM. 
          IT'S GONNA MAKE IT WORSE BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE GOING TO START, STOP PAYING FOR THE PROGRAM OR PAYING TO HAVE A SPADE NEUTER. 
          AND WHAT WAS THAT DIAGRAM THEY SENT THE OTHER DAY ABOUT HOW MANY CATS EXPONENTIAL A FEMALE CAT, CAT CAN HAVE? HOW MANY KITTENS A YEAR OR SOMETHING? WAS IT? I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT IT WAS SO A BUNCH. 
          THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAVE A T AND R PROGRAM THAT THEY DO OUT IN THE COUNTY. 
          YES. 
          IT'S THE SAME PROGRAM. 
          IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL T AND R PROGRAM. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PROGRAM THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS A T AND R PROGRAM. 
          THEY TALKING ABOUT A GOVERNMENT. 
          OH NO, NONE OF THEM ARE, NONE OF ARE GOVERNMENT. 
          THE, THE, THE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE DOING THIS TNR PROGRAM WILL WORK IN COUNTY AS WELL AS IN THE CITY. 
          THE CITY. 
          UM, AND LIKE A LOT OF CITIES HAS BEEN A BIT PASSIVE ABOUT THIS ISSUE. 
          THERE ARE ABOUT 40 TO 50 FEMALE CATS IN THE COUNTY TO THE ONE MALE. 
          AND, AND THE WAY TO GET THE PROBLEM UNDER CONTROL IS TO HAVE SOME MEANS OF COLLECTING THE, THE MALE CALS AND HAVE THE, IF THEY WERE PAID, WOULD NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM. 
          THAT THE PROLIFERATION OF EXAMPLES ARE FROM THE FACT THAT THE, THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE CAUGHT IN SPAYED IS NOT GETTING CAUGHT. 
          THAT'S THE MALE CAT THERE. 
          THERE'S BUT ALL FEMALES ARE GETTING SPAYED AND, BUT THEN YOU, BUT YOU, IF YOU MISS ONE MALE, THERE'S, NOW YOU'VE GOT A FEMALE, WELL YOU, YOU'VE GOT, YOU, YOU PUT A HERIN ON THE, ON THE PROCREATION FORMULA THERE. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU FOLD EIGHT OUTTA 10 ON TO THE SIDE. 
          BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DEAL WITH IT ON A KIND OF A PASSIVE BASIS. 
          WE DON'T REALLY GET INTO IT. 
          SERIOUSLY. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT I MEAN. 
          THIS IS NOT AER ISSUE. 
          THIS IS AN ISSUE ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. 
          YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE THEY STOCK TO THE TNR PROGRAMS? ARE THEY, ARE, ARE THEY PUTTING MONEY INTO THE TNR PROGRAMS? I MEAN, WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING? I MEAN THIS IS JUST DID NOT READ NOT TOO 
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LONG AGO OR A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN BRIDGETON WAS HAVING A PROBLEM AND THEY HAD A, ACTUALLY A ERY DEVELOPED OVER THERE. 
          SO BRIDGETON GOT A REAL PROBLEM. 
          THERE ARE VERY FEW CITIES IN NORTH CAROLINA THAT ACTUALLY HAVE A GOVERNMENT SPONSORED TR PROGRAM. 
          FEW BECAUSE THINK OF IT THIS WAY, THE TAXPAYERS PAYING FOR ALL THESE PAID CATS AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VETERINARIAN WHO'S WILLING TO DO THAT LOCATION IN PLACES TO DROP THEM OFF. 
          UM, NOW THE THE PRIVATE CITIZENS THAT DO THAT, THEY FUND ALL OF THESE THINGS TO YOUR EARLIER POINT. 
          UM, BUT VERY FEW CITIES IN NORTH CAROLINA DO THIS, BUT EVERY CITY IN NORTH CAROLINA HAS THIS PROBLEM. 
          SO WHAT ARE THEY DOING? ARE THEY DEPENDENT ON THE VOLUNTEER GROUPS TO DO THIS, PICK 'EM UP AND HAVE 'EM FAITH DO AND RELEASE? ARE THEY JUST NOT DOING ANYTHING AND BECOMING OVERRUN WITH CATS? DID YOU GET THAT INFORMATION? I WOULD PUT THAT UP THE NUMBER OF, BUT UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY, IT'S DEFINITELY A PROBLEM. 
          I MEAN, AND, AND WE ALL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. 
          I MEAN EVERY CITY IS HAVING THIS ISSUE. 
          UM, UM, BUT WHAT WOULD THE ISSUE IS IS HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT RESOLVING IT HERE SINCE THIS INFORMATION THEY SENT THE OTHER DAY. 
          ONE UNSPAYED CAT HAS FOUR KITTENS AND AN EIGHT, EIGHT MONTH LATER THEY HAVE FOUR MORE KITTENS. 
          16 MONTHS LATER THEY HAVE FOUR 16 AND THEN 16 MONTHS LATER THEY HAVE, THERE'S BEEN 32 CATS OUT OF ONE ONE CAT. 
          WOW. 
          SO YOU CAN TAKE, YOU CAN TAKE ONE FEMALE CAT AND THEY WILL PRODUCE IS 16 MONTHS, 32 KIT. 
          DOES THAT SOUND THAT'S A LOT OF CATS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WELL, MY ONLY CONCERN HERE IS THAT WITH THE AL PETS IS IF A NEIGHBOR IS FEEDING THAT CAT, THEN THEY SHOULD TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF STATING OR NEUTERED THAT CAT OR CAT. 
          SO HOWEVER MANY THEY HAVE, AND IT SHOULDN'T OVERFLOW CAUSE CREATE PROBLEMS FOR THE NEIGHBORS. 
          I AGREE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'M, I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF LESS AS A BOARD. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL OF YOU FEEL ABOUT IT. 
          LET'S PUT SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE SAYING WE'RE GONNA FIND THESE PEOPLE, THESE FEEDING THESE FACTS IF THEY DON'T TAKE OWNERSHIP OF IT. 
          AND, AND THAT'S NOT GONNA ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM. 
          'CAUSE THEY WOULD STILL BE A NUISANCE OF GETTING ON PEOPLE, CARS, GETTING INTO CARS, WHATEVER. 
          ALL OF THAT IS GONNA COME INTO PLAY. 
          BUT AT LEAST THIS PERSON THAT'S FEEDING THESE CATS WILL BE FINE AND KNOW THEY GOT A RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP YOUR CAT CONFINED TO YOUR YARD OR WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA DO. 
          IF NOT, YOU'RE GONNA BE HEAVILY FINE. 
          I'M SHOWING HERE CHARLOTTE, YOU GASTONIA AT CONCORD, PINEVILLE, RALEIGH GREENSBORO AND MORRISVILLE NEUTER MALE CATS. 
          AND AND YOU WERE RIGHT. 
          THOSE MALE EXACTLY. 
          YOUR COLONIES WILL DECLINE. 
          BUT I I, I REALLY HATE TO THROW ANY FUEL ON THAT, ON THE FIRE. 
          BUT Y'ALL PROBABLY MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THAT THERE ARE PLACES IN NEWBURN WHERE THIS IS GOING TO THE NEXT STEP. 
          AND THAT IS THERE, THERE ARE, ARE MINIATURE HOUSING AVAILABLE FOR KIT KATS IN NEW AND I, IF ANYBODY'S BEEN IN LAWS CREEK, YOU'VE SEEN THEM. 
          AND IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN 'EM, YOU NEED TO GO SEE 'EM. 
          BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ADDING FUEL TO THE FIRE OF THIS PROBLEM BY PROVIDING THAT HOUSING. 
          AT THE SAME TIME. 
          I HAVE MANY FRIENDS THAT ARE DOING A VERY BENEVOLENT JOB OF N OF TRYING TO HELP FERAL CATS OUT. 
          BUT I THINK YOU'RE GOING ABOUT IT THE WRONG WAY. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPADING FEMALE CATS AND YOU NEED TO BE NEUTERING S THAT WILL MAKE THE FELONIES TO DECLINE ALL OUT. 
          THEY, UM, ACTUALLY ARE DOING BOTH. 
          I MEAN THEY'RE NOT GOOD SINGLING OUT EITHER ONE, WHICHEVER THEY CATCH. 
          THAT'S WHY IT'S A LET'S YES SIR. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE NCAS. 
          OH YEAH, YEAH. 
          THEY'RE DOING WHAT WHATEVER THEY CATCH, THEY HAVE, THEY WELL, BUT THEY, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT. 
          THE PROCESS THOUGH OF CAT CAPTURING THESE MALE CATS IS WHAT? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AS FAR AS CAGING. 
          WELL, EVERY CAT, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA MENTION THE LOCATION BECAUSE THEY ASKED NOT TO PUBLICIZE WHERE THESE COLONIES ARE AT. 
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BUT EVERY CAT IN ONE OF THE COLONIES THAT'S HERE INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF NEWBURN HAS BEEN CAPTURED SPADE AND NEW. 
          THE PROBLEM IS, EVERY WEEK SOMEBODY ELSE IS BRINGING MORE IN AND DUMPING 'EM OUT. 
          THAT'S THE PROBLEM. 
          IF WE KNOW WHERE SOME OF THESE COLONIES ARE, WHERE PEOPLE ARE RELEASING AND IT'S AGAINST THE LAW TO RELEASE DOMESTICATED. 
          ANYONE, I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, IS THERE A WAY MECHANISM FOR US TO ADD SOME SORT OF SURVEILLANCE TO, TO SOME OF THE COLONIES TO CATCH THESE PEOPLE RELEASING DOMESTICATED ANIMALS AT THAT? I'M, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. 
          AUSTIN CREEK PARK HAS ABOUT, THEY MAY HAVE QUIN CAMERAS IN THAT PARK. 
          WE CANNOT PUT A CAMERA EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THAT AREA. 
          AND WE HAVE CAMERAS STRATEGICALLY LOCATED WHERE YOU'RE COMING DOWN THE ROAD, WE SEE WHAT'S COMING IN, WE SEE WHAT'S GOING OUT. 
          BUT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PULL IN A PARKING LOT, STOP YOUR CAR AT A BOAT LAUNCH AND DROP SOMETHING OFF. 
          AND THERE'S NO WAY, SO FOR THE, FOR THE LAWSON CREEK EXAMPLE, I MEAN IF, IF YOU'RE SAYING THERE IS HOUSES OR SOME STR SOME, YOU KNOW, FERAL CAT COLONY HOUSING THAT IS BEING PUT ON CITY PROPERTY, I, TO ME FIRST THING IS IF IT'S ON CITY PROPERTY, WE CAN REMOVE IT AND WE SHOULD REMOVE IT. 
          UH, WE SHOULD NOT ENCOURAGE, I MEAN I THINK THAT JUST ENCOURAGES THEM AS FAR AS THIS CONVERSATION. 
          I THINK WHAT THE CHIEF IS LOOKING FOR IS THE DIRECTION OF THIS BOARD. 
          I I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT IS. 
          I I CAN SAY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IF WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS, WE ENFORCE IT UNIFORMLY. 
          AND IF THERE'S AREAS THAT WE'VE NOT BEEN ENFORCING IT, WE NEED TO SAY THIS IS NOT AN OKAY, THIS IS NOT OKAY PRACTICE. 
          WE'RE GONNA ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE THERE, WE'RE GONNA FIND THE FOLKS FEEDING THE CATS. 
          UM, AND IF YOU ARE FEEDING IT, YOU'RE GONNA BE SUBJECT TO THE CAREGIVER AND HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE TO TRY TO PREVENT THAT. 
          THAT'S WHERE I, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. 
          WELL THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AS WELL. 
          I I THINK THAT IT IS A COMPLEX PROBLEM THAT NEEDS MULTIPLE APPROACHES. 
          UM, I THINK THAT IS OVERSIMPLIFIED TO THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA ORDINANCE OUR WAY OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT GONNA CREATE AN UPROAR, THAT'S NOT GONNA REQUIRE EXTERMINATION OF CATS. 
          UM, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          LIKE I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT WE COULD DO THIS AND, AND MAKE ANY REAL PROGRESS UNLESS WE WERE WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY. 
          LIKE THIS IS, THERE'S NOTHING SIMPLE ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GONNA GET SOLVED IN THIS CONVERSATION TODAY. 
          SO, UM, CAN WE, AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY DO NOTHING. 
          I MEAN I THINK, I THINK IT'S UP TO YOUR POINT. 
          I THINK IT'S TOO, I THINK IT'S TOO A GROUP TOGETHER TO YEAH, I AGREE. 
          I THINK IT'S A TWO PART. 
          THE CHIEF IS ASKING WHAT DOES THE BOARD WANT TO DO? AND I SAY, WE SAY ENFORCE OUR ORDINANCE. 
          THAT'S NOT GONNA FIX THE PROBLEM, BUT IT SHOULD, I MEAN AN ATTEMPT TO HELP. 
          AND THEN ON THE SECOND FRONT, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S GONNA MAKE IT WORSE. 
          YES. 
          THEY GET WITH THE COUNTY AND FORM A CA TASK FORCE THAT THE CITY OF NEWBURG AND THE COUNTY ARE GONNA START FIGURING OUT A WAY TO AMELIORATE THESE ISSUES. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE SHOULD DO BECAUSE THIS IS, WE AT THIS TABLE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DO THIS. 
          I MEAN, BECAUSE IF THIS IS THIS BAD A PROBLEM, THEN THE COUNTY AND CITY WE HAVE TO GET TOGETHER AND FORM OUR OWN GOVERNMENT TNR PROGRAM AND SAY, AND VOLUNTEERS, THEY'VE BEEN DOING US A GREAT SERVICE. 
          BUT IF WE'RE GONNA GET SERIOUS ABOUT THIS PROBLEM, THEN WE ARE GOING TO DO FUND A JOINT ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER WHOSE JOB IS GONNA BE TO PARTNER WITH A VETERINARIAN AND GO AND CATCH THESE AND, AND START ADDRESSING THEM. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON TRYING TO GET ADDITIONAL CATS SPA AND NEUTERED AS FAST AS THEY CAN. 
          THERE'S A GROUP THAT HAS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH NC STATE. 
          NC STATE VETERINARIANS ARE NOW OUT OF SCHOOL. 
          THEY'RE TRYING TO BRING THEM DOWN HERE AND PARTNER WITH A LOCAL VET THAT ALLOWED 'EM TO USE THEIR FACILITY AND FOR THE TNR PROGRAM, SPADE NEUTER THESE, THESE CATS. 
          UM, THERE'S AN ESTIMATE, THE EMAIL I GOT SAID THERE WAS 600. 
          THEY'RE WAITING ON THESE FAITH NEUTERED RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO THIS. 
          AND THEY DON'T GET A BREAK IN IN UNLESS THEY TAKE THESE CATS. 
          THEY, THE LOCAL VETS HAVE BEEN GREAT, BUT THEY CAN'T DO ALL SO THEY HAVE TO TAKE 'EM TO WILMINGTON AND GREENVILLE. 
          SO YOU, YOU TAKE A, A GROUP OF CATS TO GREENVILLE, SOMEBODY VOLUNTEERS TO SIT UP THERE ALL DAY LONG, WAIT UNTIL THEY GET SPAYED NEUTERED AND 
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THEN THEY PUT 'EM BACK IN THE BAND, THEY BRING THEM BACK HERE AND THEN THEY STAY AT SOMEBODY'S HOUSE FOR A DAY UNTIL THEY CAN BE RELEASED BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE PICKED UP AT. 
          UH, SO THERE, THERE IS SOME, THERE IS SOME PROGRESS BEING MADE IN TRYING TO GET ONE OF THESE VETERINARIANS OUT OF NC STATE OR A COUPLE OF 'EM, EVEN SOME STUDENTS, YOU KNOW, TO COME DOWN AND USE, SHARE A FACILITY. 
          AND IN FACT THAT'S, I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN CONFIRMED TOO. 
          SO THERE, THERE, THERE'S SOME WORK TRYING TO GET AS MANY OF THESE CATS THEY NEUTERED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          I I HEY CHIEF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF WE WERE TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCES ON BROOKS, THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE PICKING THE CAT UP, GET 'EM SPAY A NEW AND BRINGING THEM BACK, THEY'RE VIOLATING THE ORDINANCE WHEN THEY BRING THEM BACK, CORRECT? YES. 
          THE OTHER PART, AND, AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO FORGET THE FACT THAT I HAD SAID IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO FEED CATS. 
          THAT'S WHAT CAUSES THE BIG PROBLEM. 
          THERE IS A LOT OF CASE MANAGING AND INVESTIGATIVE WORK THAT HAS TO OCCUR TO MAKE THE LINK BETWEEN YOU FED THIS CAT AND THIS CAT DID THIS BAD ACT. 
          THAT, AND, AND REMEMBER WE HAVE ONE FULL-TIME ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER AND A PART-TIME ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER THAT ARE GAINFULLY ENGAGED IN MANY OTHER ACTIVITIES. 
          SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, YOU'LL NEED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC TO SAY JUST THE BEATING IN AND OF ITSELF IS THE ILLEGAL ACT. 
          NOT THAT YOU HAVE BECOME THE CUSTODIAN AND NOW WE HAVE TO PROVE THAT THAT NEXUS BETWEEN CUSTODIAN AND A BAD, BAD ACT AND FERAL COUNTY, CAN WE DO THAT? I'M, CAN WE MAKE, CAN WE DO THAT? CAN WE MAKE CATS? WE CAN'T. 
          FEEDING CATS AND NOT PROVIDING THE REQUISITE CARE THAT'S REQUIRED BY A CUSTODIAN UNDER OUR ORDINANCE IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN INVESTIGATE AND BRING BACK TO YOU TO WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW ARE RESPONSIBILITIES OF CUSTODIANS. 
          THAT IF YOU HAVE A CAT ON YOUR PREMISES AND YOU ARE PROVIDING FOOD AND SHELTER TO IT, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT CAT. 
          AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS PEOPLE ARE NEGLECTING THAT RESPONSIBILITY. 
          SO CERTAINLY WE CAN CLARIFY THAT. 
          UM, BUT THOSE BREADS ARE ALREADY IN OUR ANIMAL CONTROL ROOM AND IT'S GONNA MAKE IT WORSE IF YOU GO OUT, IF YOU GO OUT HERE AND TELL THESE PEOPLE THAT FEET GO OUT AND FEED THESE CATS TWICE A DAY. 
          THEY ALSO CAPTURE THESE CATS. 
          THEY ALSO PAY FOR MOST, A LOT OF TIMES OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET THAT'S FA AND NEUTER TO THESE CATS. 
          PLUS THEY PAY FOR OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET TO BUY THE FOOD FOR THESE CATS. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO STOP DOING IT 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GET ARRESTED. 
          THEY'RE GONNA STOP DOING IT. 
          SO NOW YOU STOPPED THE TNR PROGRAM AND NOW YOU HAVE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF CATS FOURFOLD. 
          WE'RE NOT TRYING TO STOP THE TNR PROGRAM. 
          WELL YOU THINK THAT ONE MINUTE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND SPEND, WELL, I MEAN THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF CLAUSE IN THERE OR SOMETHING IN OUR ORDINANCE TO EXCLUDE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING US A SERVICE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AGREE. 
          SO, I MEAN THAT'S THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT. 
          WELL, SO THERE COULD BE ESSENTIALLY AN EXCEPTION YES. 
          UNDER THAT OR, OR MAYBE THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY COULD INVESTIGATE A EXACTLY EXCEPTION FOR A T AND R. 
          I THINK THE ISSUE BECOMES, WE'RE SAYING IF YOU'RE FEEDING THESE CATS, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW WHAT ALL MASTERS'S TALKING ABOUT IS THERE'S A A, A GREAT GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS FEEDING CATS AS PART OF THEIR TR PROGRAM TO TRY TO MANAGE THIS PROBLEM. 
          THEN THERE ARE OTHER IRRESPONSIBLE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE JUST FEEDING CATS 'CAUSE THEY FEEL SORRY FOR THE CATS AND THEN AREN'T TAKING CARE OF 'EM ANY OTHER WAY. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST FEEDING THE CATS, ALLOWING 10 TO 20 CATS TO COME IN THAT VICINITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND CAUSE A NUISANCE. 
          THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT WE'RE TRYING, THERE'S NO WAY, I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? I'M, I, IF I HAVE, IF I'VE BEEN FEEDING CATS AND YOU TELL ME I CAN'T FEED CATS ANYMORE, OKAY, I CAN FEED MY CAT. 
          SO I'M GONNA OPEN UP MY BACK DOOR AND I'M PUT A PAN OF FOOD OUT THERE. 
          I CAN'T HELP IT IF A WILD CAT COMES UP AND EAT IT. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S, I'M NOT, AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'VE NEVER FED A CAT  AND SINCE MY CAT DIED 15 YEARS AGO, I'VE NEVER FED A CAT. 
          I'VE NEVER WATERED A CAT, I'VE NEVER TRACKED A CAT. 
          I JUST, I'M JUST, THEY, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO ME ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND I'M TRYING TO LEARN 
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THE PROBLEMS WITH DOING AWAY WITH TNR AND IT'S ALL RELATED TO, IT'S ALL RELATED. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY FEED THE CATS, THEY CAPTURE THE CATS, THEY PUT THE CATS. 
          THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY TAKE THESE CATS. 
          AND IF YOU GO OUT TO SOME OF THESE PLACES AND THERE IS SOME BOXES OUT THERE THAT THESE CATS LIVE IN AND THE REASON WHY THEY LIVE IN THOSE BOXES, BECAUSE I SAID YOU CREATE A PROBLEM BY DOING THESE BOXES. 
          WELL YOU CREATE MORE PROBLEM BY NOT HAVING 'EM BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE SOMEWHERE THEY CAN STAY IN THE DAYTIME, THEY'RE OUTTA SIGHT, THEY'RE OUT OF MIND AND THEY'RE NOT UP HERE IN THE PICNIC TABLE TRYING TO DIG FOOD OFF SOMEBODY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT IS DAMNED IF YOU DO, AND DANG THAT YOU DON AND I RECOMMEND BEFORE THIS BOARD DOES ANYTHING, THEN MAYBE THEY SHOULD BRING IN ONE OF THE EXPERTS IN THE TNR PROGRAM AND LISTEN TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE OPPOSED AT ALL TO GIVING DIRECTION TO THE CHIEF TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE UNIFORMLY CORRECT. 
          I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA CREATE MORE OF A PROBLEM BECAUSE AGAIN, THEN THEY'RE GONNA STOP DOING THE T AND R AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE FOUR TIMES THE CATS. 
          WELL, I'M NOT WANTING TO STOP THE T AND RI UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M UNDERSTAND IF YOU'RE GOING WRITE, ENFORCE IN A BLANKET WAY, CALL THESE PEOPLE AND THEY'LL COME TO YOUR NEIGHBOR GAS AND HAVE THEM STAY, YOU HAVE TO BRING THEM BACK TO THAT AREA. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S STILL THE PROBLEM BECAUSE, BUT AT LEAST THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE KIDS. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE, I MEAN IF THAT'S, I MEAN, SEEING HOW RASTER HAS STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THIS AND IS ED IS EDUCATING HIMSELF ON IT. 
          I I THINK HIS PROPOSAL'S A GOOD IDEA WHERE IF ALDER NAAR AND ALDERMAN WHITE WANTED TO GET WITH THIS GROUP AND IDEALLY GET WITH THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM AND DO SOME KIND OF JOINT SUBGROUP TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE DO? AND IF IT MEANS LET'S LOOK AT FUNDING A JOINT OFFICER FOR THIS OR A GOVERNMENT TNRI MEAN, LOOK AT THE OPTIONS FOR IT. 
          IF WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE HIM, YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF DIRECTION. 
          I MEAN, I, MY PERSONAL THOUGHT IS GIVE HIM DIRECTION TO START ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE AND IF IT INCREASES THE PROBLEM, THEN WE'LL ADDRESS IT. 
          UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. 
          I WOULD TELL YOU IF, IF YOU DO HAVE, IF YOU DO HAVE A PROBLEM AT YOUR HOUSE, THIS GROUP WILL COME OUT AND THEY WILL CAPTURE THESE CATS. 
          THEY WILL STAY IN NEW ROOM, BUT THEY ARE GOING BRING THEM BACK. 
          SOME SMART CATS, PARDON ME? THEY'RE SMART CATS. 
          THEY, THEY GONNA BE GOOD TO CATCH THEM. 
          SO, UM, ARE WE ABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOOD ENFORCEMENT AND NOT NEIGHBORHOOD ENFORCEMENT? THAT'S A CHALLENGE. 
          SO THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, IF YOU ARE ENGAGING IN NUISANCE LIKE ACTIVITIES WITH THESE CATS, ALLOWING THEM TO RUN, VI AND, AND BE ON OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, THAT IS ILLEGAL. 
          SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENTIATING THAT ENFORCEMENT TO CARVE OUT, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS THAT MAY HAVE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, IF YOU'RE, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS IN RESIDENTIAL SETTINGS PERHAPS, OR AGRICULTURAL SETTINGS FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO RELEASE CATS, FEED CATS. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPES OF ACTIVITIES YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING AS PART OF THIS ACCOMMODATION FOR TRYING TO HELP THE CAT POPULATION. 
          I THINK IT'S TOO COMPLICATED TO PROVIDE DIRECTION TODAY. 
          OH. 
          AND MAKE A BIG CHANGE MEAN, I I AGREE WITH ALL MASTER. 
          I, THIS IS NOT A PROMISE. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE A PROBLEM ELSEWHERE. 
          THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME THINGS THAT'S BEEN DONE IN OTHER PLACES. 
          I, WE PROBABLY DON'T HEAR ABOUT OTHER CITIES BEING OVERRUN WITH CATS BECAUSE WE DON'T LIVE IN THOSE OTHER CITIES. 
          IF WE LIVE THERE, THEY MAY HAVE THE VERY SAME PROBLEM, BUT I MEAN, I THINK STAFF NEEDS TO FIGURES OUT SOME OPTIONS AND BRING IT TO THE BOARD. 
          THEN POLITICALLY THE BOARD GONNA MAKE A DECISION. 
          YOU'RE GOING, YOU'RE GOING TO TICK OFF ONE SIDE OF THIS ARGUMENT OR THE OTHER ONE YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE, THERE'S NO SOLUTION THAT WE'RE GONNA FIND THAT'S GOING TO FIX THIS PROBLEM THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE HAVING. 
          SO JUST BE PREPARED. 
          THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES WHERE SOME OF YOU THAT YOU'RE GOING UPSET HAVE TO CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, BUT I THINK STAFF NEEDS TO BRING BACK SOME OPTIONS TO US BECAUSE CERTAINLY WE'RE NOT EXPERTS ON IT SOUNDS LIKE . 
          I THINK WE OUGHT TO HEAR FROM THE EXPERTS. 
          WELL IF, IF YOU DO, IF YOU DO, YOU'VE GOTTA HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES OF IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE EXPERTS THAT SAY YOU GOTTA DO THIS T AND R PROGRAM AND WE'VE 
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SUPPORTED THAT AND WE STILL HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          NOW WE'RE HEARING FROM SOME OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE STILL EXPERIENCING THE PROBLEM. 
          SO THERE'S OTHER FOLKS THAT SAY IT'S TR PROGRAM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SUSTAINING THESE POPULATIONS, IS THAT CORRECT MR. MANNING? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALDERMAN WHITE, GO AHEAD. 
          UM, CHIEF AND ALDERMAN FERGUSON, UM, WE HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION, ALDERMAN FERGUSON, AND I HOPE I'M NOT STEALING YOUR THUNDER, SIR. 
          UM, ABOUT HOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES SUCH A GREAT JOB AT EDUCATING, LIKE WE WERE BOTH KIDS AND WE KNOW DR. 
          ON ROLE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          AND, UM, TREY BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF LIKE, WHAT, WHAT COULD THE POLICE OFFICERS DO TO HAVE A SIMILAR EDUCATION PROGRAM IN SCHOOLS? MAYBE WE COULD ADDRESS, UM, RELEASING CATS AND SPEEDING AND MAKE THAT SOMEHOW A FUN EDUCATION TOPIC FOR YOUNG CHILDREN. 
          UM, JUST TYING TOGETHER TWO DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I, I DON'T THINK I SUGGESTED POLICE OFFICERS GOING TO SCHOOLS TO EDUCATE ABOUT CATS. 
          HE DID NOT WANNA BE CLEAR ON THAT POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT SINCE THIS IS THE TOPIC TODAY, AGAIN, I THINK TO TO, I THINK TO AUBURN WHITE'S POINT, AND I LIKE HER EARLIER SUGGESTION OF, HEY, A GROUP TALKED THROUGH THIS. 
          I THINK IT'LL, I MEAN, I THINK ALL ASKED HER AND YOURSELF AND AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER WANTED TO GET WITH STAFF TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT ALTERNATIVES LIKE MAYOR SAID, AND BRING IT. 
          AND THEN WE WILL HEAR FROM THE T AND R FOLKS AND MAKE A DECISION AT THAT POINT. 
          I MEAN, I'M, I I THINK BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING, WE DON'T HAVE UNANIMOUS CONSENT OR DIRECTION FOR THE CHIEF. 
          I DON'T NECESSARILY, I LOOK AT THE CITY ATTORNEY, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK A MOTION IS NECESSARY FOR THAT DIRECTION. 
          AND IF IT'S NOT UNANIMOUS, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE WORTHLESS TO, TO MAKE. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE'RE JUST CHASING OUR TAIL, PUN INTENDED. 
          UM, AND WE SHOULD LET YOU GUYS WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH SOME OPTIONS HERE. 
          I DO THINK THE BOARD IS PRETTY STRONG IN FEELING WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, CORRECT? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO STAFF? YES SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYBODY POSSIBLE WE COULD SAY SOMETHING JUST IF THE, THE BOARD WANTS TO, THE BOARD WON'T TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK A MOTION HAVE TO BE MADE, SECONDED, AND VOTED ON. 
          BUT WE TYPICALLY DON'T ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT DURING A WORK SESSION OR RETREAT. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I, I MAKE A MOTION. 
          IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THE BOARD THAT, UM, THIS YOUNG LADY, UM, HAVE A COUPLE MINUTES TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND. 
          I SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          ALL IS IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          NONE A ROLL CALL BOOK. 
          SORRY. 
          WITH DERMAN FERGUSON. 
          ALDERMAN FERGUSON. 
          YES. 
          ALDERMAN BRYANT. 
          NO. 
          DERMAN ASTRO NO. 
          DERMAN WHITE. 
          YES. 
          DERMAN VEST? YES. 
          DERMAN AL? NO. 
          MAYOR O NO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE POLICE CHIEF? UH, I HAVE A, I HAD A QUESTION BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT THE FUNERAL CATS. 
          UH, HOW ARE YOU DOING ON RECRUITMENT AND WHAT'S YOUR CURRENT OPEN POSITIONS RIGHT NOW? UH, UM, WE ARE DOING WELL ON RECRUITMENT. 
          THE, THE ISSUE IS, AND I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, IS THE, THE PROCESS BETWEEN THE HIRING AND THE OFFICER ACTUALLY GOING ON THE STREET IS SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. 
          UM, I HAVE TWO RESIGNATIONS, ONE OF WHICH A ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES IS GETTING MARRIED. 
          AND MARY, THE MARINES BEING RELOCATED, WE HOPE TO GET HER BACK IN THREE YEARS. 
          SO WE'VE LOST THAT ONE. 
          WE HAVE ANOTHER EMPLOYEE THAT IS LEAVING FOR OTHER REASONS. 
          THIS HAPPENS IN EVERY PROFESSION. 
          UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY NOW AS IT STANDS ON THE BOOKS, UM, FOR SHORT, BUT THOSE ARE GONNA FLUCTUATE, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND JULY ONE. 
          SO WE ARE DOING, WE'RE DOING PRETTY WELL. 
          I WOULD REALLY WISH THAT WE COULD ACCELERATE THE TRAINING, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS NOT THE JOB THAT YOU WANT TO PUT A BRAND NEW STAFF MEMBER IN PLACE WITHOUT HAVING EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF ON JOB TRAINING. 
          ARE THOSE FOR SHORT OF THOSE, ARE SOME OF THEM FOLKS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN TRAINING OR IS THAT JUST SIMPLY YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE LINED UP YET? THE FOR SHORT IS WE HAVE NO, THEY ARE, WE ARE IN THE, UH, HIRING PROCESS, WHICH MEANS IT GOES THROUGH BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS, ORAL OR PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO A POINT 
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WHERE WE COULD OFFER CONDITIONAL HIRE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE CHIEF? UH, CHIEF DID HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          IN, IN TODAY'S WORLD WITH UH, MENTAL AWARE MENTAL ILLNESS AWARENESS, UH, DOES THAT CHANGE YOUR STATISTICAL MODELING OF CRIME? SOMETIMES CRIME, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO WOULD'VE BEEN CRIME, WHICH IS NOW THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. 
          I THINK ALL OF YOUR LTS ARE PRETTY FLUENT IN RECOGNIZING MENTAL ILLNESS SITUATIONS. 
          HAS THAT, IS THAT CHANGING THE C CORRELATION OF INFORMATION? UM, I THINK THE ANSWER, IF I'M TRACKING CORRECTLY, MY RESPONSES IS YES. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE, A BULK OF OUR PATROL OFFICERS OF CIT, WHICH IS CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING, UM, THEY ARE CERTIFIED 40 HOURS OF, UH, OF TRAINING WITH A CERTIFICATION TEST. 
          AT THE END, WE ARE ABLE TO DIVERT 90% OF ALL OF OUR MENTAL HEALTH PURCHASING CRISIS CALLS AWAY FROM THE COUNTY JAIL INTO SERVICES. 
          WE CURRENTLY HAVE A, UH, CORRESPONDER PROGRAM, WHICH BY THE WAY, THE GRANT IS RUNNING OUT AND WE'RE WORKING WITH, UM, UM, OUR LOCAL PROVIDER TO CONTINUE THAT PROGRAM. 
          UH, TRILLIUM RUNS THE PROGRAM. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT, THAT SPONSORED. 
          BUT OUR GRANT ENDS IN THE END. 
          THAT GRANT WILL END AT THE END OF OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR. 
          SO WE'RE WORKING TO CONTINUE WITH THAT CORRESPONDENCE PROGRAM. 
          IS THERE, UM, MEANS FOR ACQUIRING ADDITIONAL GRANTS FOR THAT? WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL GRANTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHIEF, I HAVE STATEMENT TO MAKE TO YOU IN YOUR, WHEN YOU GAVE US YOUR REPORT ON THE, UM, CRIME DATA, YOUR CRIME DATA REPORT, HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT HAS THE SHOP SPOTTER BEEN TO HELP AID IN, UH, IN DECREASE IN THIS CRIME? I'LL, MY BEST DISCUSSING THAT. 
          THAT THAT WAS COMING UP. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO EXPLAIN, UM, ABOUT FERAL KAZ. 
          I KNOW THERE'S SOME CITIZENS HERE THAT NEEDED TO HEAR THE INFORMATION SIDE. 
          I THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MR. HUGHES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BREAK FOR LUNCH IF IT'D GO AHEAD AND BREAK, BREAK LUNCH, HAVE MOTION FOR LUNCH. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION APPEAR, NOT ALL SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          YOU VOTE. 
          WE ARE NOW BROKE FOR LUNCH. 
          OKAY, WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AFTER LUNCH. 
          UH, SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER SIX, GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND UPDATE. 
          MR. YES, SIR, AT THIS TIME MOTION TALK ABOUT THE UPDATE AND THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT, UH, HAD THE VARIOUS PROJECTS GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THOSE WHEN THOSE PROJECTS WILL START ALL. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE GEO BOND PROCESS. 
          STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANTS TO PREPARE FOR THE BOND RATING CALLS AND PROVIDE THE INFORMATION FOR THE LT C, WHICH IS DUE ON THE, ON JUNE 25TH. 
          THE DUE DILIGENCE CONFERENCE CALLS BE HELD ON JULY 8TH. 
          ALSO ON JULY 8TH, WE HAVE OUR BOND RATING CALL WITH STANDARD REPORT IN JULY 9TH OF MEETINGS AT THE JULY 14TH BOARD BOARD OF ALDERMAN MEETING STAFF WILL INTRODUCED THE ISSUANCE RESOLUTION AND ASKED FOR APPROVAL AT THE AUGUST 11TH BOARD OF ALDERMAN MEETING. 
          BOND RATINGS WILL BE PUBLISHED AUGUST 12TH AND OUR BOND SALE IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 25TH WITH PLANS TO CLOSE ON SEPTEMBER 16TH ON OUR FIRST BOND ISSUANCE PROJECTS WILL BEGIN SHORTLY THEREAFTER. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THE FIRST ISSUANCE OF 13 MILLION WITH STREETS AND SIDEWALKS. 
          UM, 5 MILLION CORRECTION RECREATION, 5 MILLION IN STORM WATER, 3 MILLION, THAT'S 12 13 MILLION OF THE 24. 
          SO THIS TIME GEORGE CHILD SET UP FARM PROJECT. 
          UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH, UH, THE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS WITH THE $10 MILLION PORTION OF THE BOND AND IT IS BROKEN OUT INTO THE FIRST JOB MEETING THAT WE'RE GONNA GET IN THE SCHEDULING. 
          WE HAVE DECIDED TO MORE LOCALIZED LARGER PROJECTS TO ECONOMIZE THE MONEY FOR 
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REDUCING, UH, MOBILIZATION FEES. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT BASED OFF THE PCRS IS GONNA BE ONE THREE. 
          SO 10, WE'RE SOMEWHERE AROUND JUST OVER A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THAT FIRST PROJECT AND WE'LL HAVE SIMILAR ONE COME OUT TO THE REST OF IN THAT KIND OF, SO IF IT, THERE MAY BE AREAS INWARD THAT DO NOT GET ADDRESSED WITH A BIG PROJECT, BUT THEN THERE'LL BE SUBSEQUENT SMALLER AREAS THAT WE'LL WORK. 
          SO THAT IS OUR FIRST, FIRST ONE WE'RE GONNA DO. 
          WE'LL SEE SUCCESS PROJECT FOR THAT AFTERWARDS. 
          UM, WE'LL ALSO BE DOING SOME CONCRETE WORK ON THOSE. 
          SO AS WE GO THROUGH THE PAV, UH, URBAN GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE RESET A DA RAMPS THAT MAY NEED TO BE INSTALLED AND CASTING ADJUSTMENTS. 
          A LOT OF OUR PAVING, AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED IN THE PCR, BUT ON A LOT OF OUR ROADS WE MAY HAVE, UH, MAN HOLES THAT ARE SET HIGH OR LOW FOR THE SURROUNDING PAVING. 
          REMEMBER, TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE TWO AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, THESE PING. 
          UM, THE SECOND SET FOR THE STORMWATER, SO THE $6 MILLION TOTAL BEFORE YOU GO ONTO THAT, SO WE HAVE ONE P PROJECT ASSOCIATED WITH THE BOND THIS YEAR. 
          IS THAT WHAT I'M, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PUSH 'EM OUT. 
          SUCCESS. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST THING WE'VE GOT READY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE'VE GOT SEVEN YEARS TO SPEND THIS BOND. 
          WE'RE GONNA SPEND $7 MILLION EVERY YEAR UNTIL WE GET DONE. 
          WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET LIKE THREE OR 4 MILLION DONE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO. 
          WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GO AS FAST AS WE CAN TRY TO GET OUT. 
          YES, BECAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY WAS WHAT I THINK WE HAD IN MIND WHEN WE, SO, AND OF COURSE SEVEN YEARS WITH AN OPTIONAL THREE YEAR EXTENSION, BUT WE'RE FRONTLOAD 5 MILLION PING. 
          AND SO THE GOAL IS REALLY WITHIN A COUPLE YEARS TO GET THOSE THINGS STORED EVERY WAY. 
          WE, WE WOULD HOPE TO BE SOMEWHERE THAT YEAR THREE THAT WE GO AT LEAST HALF THE STORM WATER. 
          SO, SO THERE ARE 11 PROJECTS Y'ALL JUST REAL QUICK ON STREETS AND SIDEWALKS. 
          I DUNNO HOW MUCH IN THIS AREA IS GONNA MATTER. 
          BUT WHEN WE START LOOKING AT OTHER PLACES WITH MORE CONNECTIVITY, ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES OR ARE Y'ALL LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES WITH EXISTING STREETS, ADDING BIKE WIND OR IF YOU'RE REDOING GUTTER STUFF TO DO ANY KIND OF BIKE WHERE WE NOT NOT REALLY ADDING WIDTH TO THAT GETS INTO THE WHOLE SET OF WHATEVER MAY BE IN THE RIGHT WAY. 
          UM, WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT IF YOU HAVE E SIDEWALKS, THEY MAY NOT HAVE A GRANTS WHICH ARE AS WE DID THE PAVING FISH REQUIRED IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE STORM WATER, WHEN WE GET THE STORM WATER, THAT'S WHERE WE TALK ABOUT WHERE WE CAN CREATE ACCOMMODATING RIGHT AVAILABILITY OR SHOULDER AVAILABILITY FOR FUTURE SIDEWALKS. 
          WE'VE GOT A LOT OF AREAS. 
          UH, THE STORM WATER, WE WE'RE BROKEN DOWN INTO, UM, 11 PROJECTS, SO $6 MILLION TOTAL. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO USE THE FIRST 3 MILLION IN THIS FIRST PERIOD. 
          AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WE WENT AHEAD AND SENT OUT RQS FOR THE DESIGN WORK AND WE RECEIVED BACK, UH, RECEIVED BACK RESPONSES FROM, UH, HAD EIGHT RESPONDING CONSULTING FIRMS. AND WE HAVE GRADED THOSE AND SELECTED TWO UM, FIRMS AND EACH ONE HAS BEEN SELECTED SEPARATELY FOR EACH PROJECT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GO UP TO, WE HAD SIX OF THOSE 11 THAT ARE NOT AS HEAVILY BURDENED BY NEEDING, UM, MORE IN DEPTH ENGINEERING OR, OR PERMITTING. 
          SO THOSE FIRST SIX ARE MORE OF AN EXISTING COVER REQUIRING A LARGE CAPACITY. 
          SO YOU HAVE AN RCP PIPE JUST AROUND LARGE CULVER, BUT A LOT OF THESE CROSSING ALSO DO NOT HAVE WHERE THE HEAD WALLS ARE ON THE CROSSINGS. 
          THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WIDTH BETWEEN THE HEAD WALL AND THE DITCH TO ACCOMMODATE A SIDE WALL. 
          SO WHEN WE TRY TO DO THESE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ACCOMMODATE A WIDER WIDTH BETWEEN THE HEAD WALLS. 
          SO WE'LL STILL HAVE THE ROADWAY, BUT WE'LL HAVE SHOULDER AVAILABILITY THEN TO PUT IN SIDEWALK AS WELL. 
          SO THERE'LL BE A LOT OF ACCOMMODATION IN THOSE STORMWATER PROJECTS FOR FUTURE SIDEWALKS. 
          SO IS THAT TWO, WILL YOU MOVE ON? SO WOULD THAT BE INCLUDED? OAKS ROAD RIVER EXAMPLE? THERE'S SEVERAL AREAS THERE THAT ACTUALLY HAVE NO DRAINAGE AT ALL. 
          RIGHT. 
          ON THE ROAD SIDE AND, AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THAT 
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AND WHERE YOU MAY HAVE DITCHES THAT IF WE CAN PIPE CERTAIN SECTIONS, THEN WE'VE GOT RIGHT AWAY WITH SIDEWALKS. 
          WE'RE TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THE FUTURE INSTALLATION OF THE SIDEWALK WITHIN, WITHIN THESE PROJECTS. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO THOSE SIX. 
          SO, SO OUR PLAN IS THE FIRST SIX, THE CONSTRUCTION AND ENGINEERING COST ESTIMATES WE INITIALLY REVIEWED THESE WAS JUST OVER, UH, 2 MILLION. 
          AND SO WE'RE PLANNING TO TRY TO GET THOSE OUT. 
          WE BE AS FAST AS WE CAN GET THEM DESIGNED AND IF ANY PERMIT IS NEEDED FOR THEM. 
          SO WE GET THIS OUT THERE, START THE FALL ON, ON SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS, THE BALANCE OF BETWEEN THE TWO AND THREE, THE EXTRA MILLION, UM, IN THAT FIRST ALLOCATION WE'RE GONNA USE AGAIN, START THE DESIGN ON THE OTHER FIVE. 
          SO WE'RE NOT JUST A SIDE FIVE, WE'RE JUST GONNA TRY TO PUSH THESE FIRST SIX AND THE DESIGN WARRANT IN THE NEXT FIVE. 
          THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH. 
          UM, THESES MAY HAVE JURISDICTIONAL, UH, DITCHES THAT ARE TIED TO THEM OR THEY MAY BE CLOSE TO A RIVER. 
          SO THERE'S MORE PERMITTING ALSO THAT NEEDS. 
          WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? I MEAN, I'M JUST NOT, I'M MISSING, UM, TIMELINE FOR THE, THE SIX THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          THE SIX, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET SOME OF THESE OUT, I'M SORRY, BY THE FALL. 
          WE'RE GONNA TRY GET SOME AS SOON AS WE CAN GET 'EM READY AND HAVE, SO THOSE FOUR SIX ARE GONNA BE OUR PRIORITY TO, TO GO AHEAD AFTER BID IN THE FALL, YES. 
          IT BID THE FALL FOR CONSTRUCTION AND CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE FROM THAT POINT IS WHAT, 18 MONTHS? USUALLY WE'LL PUT THEM OUT FROM UH, A AND BID AND ONCE WE SELECT BID, OR IT'S GONNA BE AVAILABILITY AND SCHEDULING. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TURN THOSE AROUND AS FAST AS WE GET THEM. 
          DESIGN PERMITTED OUT THE BID AND WE CAN GET READY. 
          AND THEN EM WORKING ON DESIGN. 
          DESIGN AND THE OTHER ONES, THOSE COME TO FRUITION ON THE ALL OF THE COMPLETED DESIGN PERMITTING BID, ARE THEY BEING BID SEPARATELY? YES, WE'RE BID UPSET. 
          AS SOON AS WE HAVE ONE READY, WE'LL GO AND PUSH OUT BID. 
          GEORGE, ARE ALL THOSE CULVERT IMPROVEMENTS THERE? ARE THEY MORE BECAUSE THE INTEGRITY OF CULVERT OR BECAUSE OF THE CULVERT CENTER IN PLACE ARE UNDERSIZED? MOST OF THEM ARE UNDERSIZED. 
          UM, YOU, YOU MAY HAVE, WHEN YOU HAVE A SAND PIPE, WE CAN GO BACK TO THE LARGER, LARGE CULVERT. 
          IT'S GONNA PROVIDE MORE CAPACITY. 
          AND ALSO LARGE CULVER SEEMS TO DELIVER A BETTER MAINTENANCE ISSUE. 
          WHEN YOU'RE NOT GETTING BLOCKAGES IN THE PIPE, IT FLOWS A LITTLE BETTER. 
          AND WE HAVE, I KNOW PROBABLY AT THE TIME ALL THEM WERE DONE  SERVICES WERE THAN THEY'RE NOW. 
          BUT ARE YOU GOING WITH ELECTRICAL OR WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GO WITH ? SOME, SOME OF THE ONES CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, EXISTING JUST AROUND RCP, UH, REINFORC CONCRETE PIPE. 
          AND WE MAY IN THOSE CASES BE PUT IN ONE BESIDE IT SO WE CAN GO THE SIZE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE GREAT CLEAR TO ACCOMMODATE A A LARGER PIPE. 
          UM, BRUNSWICK AVENUE COULD GET A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT BRUNSWICK AVENUE. 
          THE BRUNSWICK AVENUE THAT THAT PIPE ACTUALLY COMES DOWN. 
          THE, THERE'S A AUTO PARTS STORE AND A GAS STATION ON EITHER SIDE AND THEN IT GOES INTO THE BACKSIDE OF FOX CHASE VILLAGE. 
          BUT THIS WATER THAT IS CARRIED ON THAT COMES OFF OF SOME COMES FROM ROANOKE ACROSS UNDERNEATH , SOME OF IT COMES OFF OF GLEN AND IT GOES TO A REAR DITCH ON THOSE PROPERTIES THAT FACE GLEN BURN AND THEN COME DOWN TO BRUNSWICK. 
          SO WHEN YOU SEE STANDING, IT COULD BE ON WOODBURN OR THOSE AREAS OR EVEN THE HEAD IS, IS LIKELY COULD BE A CAUSED BY THAT PIPE BECAUSE WE UNDERSIZED. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I CAN ANSWER? THANK YOU GEORGE. 
          ALRIGHT, CARRIE, IF YOU COME UP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS FAR AS THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOND PROJECTS, UM, THE MAJOR ONES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT STARTING WITH THIS FIRST IMPLEMENTATION IS THE AQUATIC AQUATIC CENTER IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WE ARE WORKING ON AND GONNA BE IN DESIGNED IN THE FALL OF THIS YEAR. 
          ONCE THOSE DESIGNS ARE FINALIZED, WE WILL LOOK AT STARTING CONSTRUCTION IN SPRING OF NEXT YEAR, 2027, AND THEN HOPEFULLY OPENING WITH THE NEW RENOVATIONS AND UPGRADES IN SUMMER OF 2028. 
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UM, AT SOUTHWEST PARROT PARK WE'LL BE LOOKING AT DESIGN, UM, FOR THE STATE PARK AND PICKLEBALL COURTS AND THEN BEND CONSTRUCTION ON THEM IN SUMMER OF 2027. 
          AND THEN MARK MARIETTA PARK, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT DESIGNS FOR, UM, THE AMPHITHEATER IN FALL OF THIS YEAR, CONSTRUCTION IN SPRING OF 2027, AND THEN HOPEFULLY OPENING THE AMPHITHEATER IN SUMMER 2028. 
          UM, THE ADULT COURSE AND BACK COURSE WOULD BE DESIGNED IN SPRING OF 2027. 
          WE HAVE PLANS FOR CONSTRUCTION IN FALL OF 2027 AND THEN THE MEETING SPACE AND TRAILS WOULD BE DESIGNED SPRING 2027 AND CONSTRUCTION FALL OF 2027. 
          ALSO. 
          CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE PLEASE? WHO'S DOING THE DESIGN FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER? WE HAVE TALKED TO A COUPLE. 
          SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A DESIGN BUILD. 
          SO THAT WOULD GO AFTER TO BE A, IT WOULD BE DESIGN BUILD DESIGN BUILD ON THE AQUATIC CENTER. 
          THE SKATE PARK. 
          GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, THE ADVENTURE COURSE, BIKE PUMP COURSE. 
          THOSE WOULD ALL BE DESIGNED BID PROJECTS. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE AMPHITHEATER? AMPHITHEATER? THE MAJORITY OF THAT WOULD BE, UH, SELF PERFORMED IN-HOUSE FOR THE, I GET THE IN THEATER, BUT FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER, HAVE WE LOOKED AT EXPLORING KNOW, PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TRYING TO WORK WITH SOME DEGREE EITHER NAMING RIGHTS OR WE'RE TRYING TO EXPAND MORE THAN JUST THE LADY WE WERE ADDING UP. 
          I MEAN MORE WATER PLAY, WATER SLIDE TYPE OF COMPONENT TO IT WITH ALL OF THE LAND THAT'S OUT THERE, IS THERE A, A POSSIBILITY TO LOOK INTO THAT? SURE. 
          I MEAN WE CAN, IF YOU GOT TAKE INTO MIND, WE'RE GOING HAVE TO EXPAND PARKING OUT THERE, SO THAT'S GOING TO TAKE UP SOME ROOM AND BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, WE MAY HAVE TO INCREASE RESTROOMS. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE FACT THAT WE WOULD BE EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE POOL, BUT WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARK AND RESTROOM FACILITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I JUST, I I THINK THAT THERE'S QUITE AN OPPORTUNITY AND WE, WE ALL KNOW AND HAVE HEARD, WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE THINGS FOR FAMILIES TO DO. 
          THAT POOL IS, I MEAN, SUPER SUCCESSFUL, SUPER WELL UTILIZED AND WE'RE ABOUT TO EXPAND IT. 
          I, I FEAR THAT THE WAY WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT EXPANDING IT IS GOING TO REACH CAPACITY AND IF THERE'S A OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GO EVEN BIGGER WITH USING THE BOND MONEY AS LEVERAGE, WE, WE BROUGHT TO LOOK AT THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, AN AMENITY THAT IS WIDELY USED. 
          AND, UM, SO I JUST, THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT'S A THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION SO THAT YOU THINK ABOUT FUTURE OPERATIONS TO, THAT'S GONNA EXPAND AS WELL AND I'M GONNA NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. 
          SO I I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SO A A LAZY RIVER, I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE TIMING THAT IT TAKES TO DESIGN OF THE BILL, BUT, BUT WE'RE PROJECTING THAT THE LALEY RIVER CONSTRUCTION WOULD START IN SPRING OF 2027, BUT THE PICKLE BALL COURSE ARE GONNA TAKE LONGER. 
          TO ME, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE EASIEST THINGS TO DO. 
          YOU FIND OUT WHERE IT'S GONNA BE BUILT, YOU POUR YOUR FOUNDATION, YOU PUT YOUR NETS AND YOU STRIPE IT AND YOU OPEN IT UP. 
          SO WHAT'S TAKEN SO WRONG ON SOME OF THESE SKATE PARK? I MEAN, MY GOODNESS, THAT WAS THE FIRST MEETING I WENT TO WHEN I GOT ELECTED IN 2013 WAS WITH THURMAN ARTISAN TALK ABOUT THE SKATE PARK. 
          SO I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, WHAT WE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, WE DON'T HAVE A DESIGN GOING OUT FOR A DESIGN BUILD THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY EASY. 
          I MEAN, AND, AND WE SAY FALL OF 2026, WHICH IS LITERALLY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AWAY, UH, CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATED START IN SPRING FOR A LOT OF THESE, I MEAN, THAT'S BASICALLY WHEN CONTRACTORS ARE AVAILABLE. 
          THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE SKATE PARK PROJECT IS THAT THE COUNTY IN THERE, IN THEIR BUDGET THAT THEY JUST PASSED IS, IS BASICALLY CONTRIBUTED $150,000 TOWARDS THAT PROJECT. 
          SO THE $300,000 SKATE PARK THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE. 
          SO MR. UM, CITY MANAGER, DO YOU KNOW THAT, UH, I AM IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH THE PEERS THAT THE SKATE PARK IS, IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO YOU? MM-HMM . 
          UM, ARE WE BETTING THE DESIGN WITH PEOPLE THAT REALLY KNOW SKATE PARKS? SO WITH THE DESIGN BUILD PROJECT, LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THERE'S GONNA BE A TROUBLE COMPONENT IN IT. 
          OKAY. 
          PEOPLE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND MAKE THEIR COMMENTS. 
          THANK 
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YOU. 
          WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT, UH, BUILD SKATE PARK. 
          SO, UM, KAREN, UM, I KNOW FOSTER SAYS THAT FOR THE AMPHITHEATER, A LOT OF IT BE DONE IN HOUSE. 
          SO WHEN YOU SAY IN HOUSE, ARE YOU SPEAKING OF, I KNOW SOME OF THIS BOND MONIES WILL GO TOWARDS THE AMPHITHEATER, BUT ARE YOU ALSO INCLUDED GRANTS AND NAMING RIGHTS, OR IS, SO YOU MAY REMEMBER WE DID APPLY FOR A HALF MILLION DOLLAR PARKS AND RECREATION TRUST FUND GRANT FOR PHASE TWO OF MARK MARIETTA PARK, AND THAT INCLUDES SEVERAL OF THE AMENITIES OUT THERE. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER GRANT THAT'S COMING UP FOR A LAND WATER CONSERVATION FUND, AND WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION NOW ON WHETHER THAT SHOULD, SHOULD GO TOWARD SOMETHING WITH AQUATICS BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT DOES QUALIFY OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE IN ANOTHER, UH, PARK. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT OVER THE SUMMER. 
          I THINK THE DEADLINE FOR THAT'S THIS FALL. 
          SO THE BOARD WILL BE HITTING, GETTING THAT INFORMATION SOON, BUT LOOKING FOR ANY TYPE OF GRANTS THAT WE CAN FIND, AND WE'RE ALWAYS ALSO HAVE TO LOOK FOR, FOR, FOR PARTNERSHIP WITH NAMING RIGHTS. 
          FOR ANY OF THESE. 
          WE'LL FIND OUT ABOUT  AT THE END OF AUGUST, AND I THINK LWC IS DUE OCTOBER 1ST. 
          WHAT, WHAT DO YOU VISUALIZE AS FAR AS THE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE , WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE FOR A MILLION DOLLARS? I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT YOU CAN BUILD. 
          WELL, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE WILMINGTON AMPHITHEATER HERE, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET. 
          UM, AS PART OF THE DESIGN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          SO THAT'LL BE COMING UP, UH, VERY SOON. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A LARGE STAGE. 
          AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE DESIGN OF THIS. 
          I, I THINK, I MEAN TO TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS ABOUT THIS AMPHITHEATER. 
          I AGREE. 
          AND I MEAN, THEY'RE THINKING WILMINGTON, RED HAT COVID BOOTH, UM, AND FOR A MILLION DOLLARS, THAT'S NOT GONNA, THAT'S NOT GONNA GET IT. 
          AND IF THE GOAL IS TO BUILD AN AMPHITHEATER THAT YOU ARE GONNA GET MUSICAL ACTS TO COME TO, TO ACTUALLY CREATE A MUSIC VENUE, UM, I, I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SERIOUS PUSH WORKING ON TRYING TO FIND A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WORKING WITH NAMING RIGHTS TO, TO BRING IN SOME INFLUX OF CASH TO EXPAND THAT, UM, AT A MINIMUM TO PROVIDE SEATING. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW THE SEATING ADDS TO IT, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A PUSH FOR THAT IF THAT'S THE GOAL. 
          AND THE GOAL IS TO, TO DO A MILLION DOLLAR AMPHITHEATER THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, A GLORIFIED PICNIC SHELTER FOR ACOUSTICAL TYPE CONCERTS, THEN THAT'S, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS ARE. 
          AND SO I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A GROUP THAT REALLY WORKS ON THAT DESIGN AND RECRUITING FOR THOSE FUNDS. 
          FAIR COMMENT. 
          AND IF YOU, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A $15 MILLION AMPHITHEATER OR A $30 MILLION AMPHITHEATER, IT'S GONNA COST THAT. 
          RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS ALLOCATED TOWARD THAT. 
          AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT EVEN OVER THE, THE BOND PROCESS ABOUT THAT. 
          SO THE BOARD'S GOT OTHER IDEAS ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY WITH, I MEAN WE, WE SHOWED PICTURES OF WHAT A MILLION DOLLAR AMPHITHEATER WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN WE DID THE, ALL THE CHARETTES IN THE, WE DID. 
          UH, IN TERMS OF, UM, OUR PLANNED AMPHITHEATER AND THE COCA BOOTHS, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE ROUGHLY, UM, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF DIFFERENCE? TENS OF MILLIONS OR, UH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          YEAH, MAYOR, I WONDER ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO YOU WERE LOOKING AT, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE BASEBALL DEAL, IT WAS 21 MILLION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU LOOK AT 30 MILLION BUCKS, BUT TO ME, THIS WHOLE, WHAT YOU GOT GOING ON HERE IS TO CARRY ON END, STICK TO THE LURE AND FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, WITH PRODUCT ENTITY THAT WANTS TO GET THE NAMING AND RIGHTS TO THIS. 
          AND, UH, I THINK IT'S MONEY WELL SPENT TO, TO GET THAT RIGHT COMPONENT, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T WANT TO, DON'T SELL LIKE I BEAT ANYBODY UP, BUT THE, THE MEETING SPACE AND TRAIL. 
          GO TO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE MEETING SPACE, I MEAN, DIDN'T WE KIND OF TALK ABOUT ALMOST LIKE THE LOG CABINS GONNA SIT OUT ON THE POINT AT MARTIN MARIET, RUSTY TYPE THING. 
          YES. 
          SO I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE TRAILS, BUT FOR THAT MEETING SPACE, 
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KNOWING HOW THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY IS, UM, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR IDEA OF THAT? I MEAN, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, MY THOUGHT WAS WE WILL BE HAVING OUR 2027 JANUARY RETREAT AT THAT FACILITY, BUT WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GONNA START DESIGNING IT NEXT YEAR. 
          SO I GUESS I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS FOR PARKS AND RECREATION AND EVERY OTHER PROJECT. 
          IT, ESPECIALLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT SHORTLY, WE'VE GOT PROBABLY MORE PROJECTS THAT THE CITY HAS SEEN IN DECADES. 
          ALL, YOU KNOW, VERY SHORT TIMEFRAME THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE, OUR GOAL IS TO, UM, IMPLEMENT AND THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PART OF THAT, OF THAT, A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO BE BID OUT WITH CONSULTANTS AND WE CAN CERTAINLY ONCE, WHEN, WHEN WAS THE GO DATE FOR THE BONDS, SEPTEMBER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA BE DOING RFPS BEFORE THAT. 
          AND ANYTHING WE CAN GET STARTED ON, UH, AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, WE'LL CERTAINLY DO IT FROM A FINANCE STANDPOINT IF WE, LIKE WE DO WITH FEMA FROM A REIMBURSABLE ASPECT, IF WE DECIDE, HEY, LOOK, WE KNOW WHERE THAT MEETING FACILITY IS GOING TO GO INSTEAD WAITING UNTIL WE GET THE BOTTOM MONEY, CAN WE NOT SPEND $20,000 OR WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THAT STARTED AND THEN JUST REIMBURSE THAT 20,000 WHEN WE GET THE BOTTOM. 
          OKAY. 
          WAS MEETING SPACE, WAS THAT A DESIGN BUILD OR A, OR WAS THAT A DESIGN BUILD? NO, THAT'LL PROBABLY BE SELF PERFORM. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO MOVE IT UP LIKE THE MAYOR'S TIME. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE ADULT ADVENTURE COURSE AND BIKE UPON THE COURSE. 
          AND I THINK IN THE MARTIN STRATEGIC PLAN AND WHAT WAS KIND OF PUT, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ON THAT ADULT ADVENTURE COURSE. 
          IT WAS AT ONE POINT IT WAS A ZIP LINE, BUT WE REALLY DON'T NEED, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S GOING OUR STYLE. 
          ORIGINALLY IT WAS ZIP LINE ADVENTURE ROADS, COURSE CLIMBING WALLS. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THAT INDUSTRY IS ZIP LINES AND ROPES COURSES ARE GOING BY THE WAYSIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WITH THE ROPES COURSE IN MARK MARIETTA PARK IS WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE AND YOU LOOK AROUND, THERE ARE NO TREES, THERE ARE NO SHADE, AND THAT'S AN ISSUE. 
          AND SO WE'VE SEEN A TREND WITH ZIP LINES, ROPES COURSES TRANSITIONING TO MORE ADULT ADVENTURE ALMOST, FOR A LACK OF A BETTER WORD, PLAYGROUND TYPE THING, TO WHERE IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT, MAN, THERE'S A LOT OF NETTING AROUND IT, THE HEALTH FALL PROTECTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND SO BASED ON THAT TREND, THAT'S WHERE WE, WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, UM, OBVIOUSLY JUST MY OPINION, THE ADULT ADVENTURE COURSE, AND AGAIN, WHAT WE HEAR IS A NEED FOR THINGS FOR FAMILIES TO DO IF THIS IS GONNA BE TAILORED TO YOUNG ADULTS, MID, MID WITHOUT FAMILY. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TIED WE ARE TO THAT PROJECT IF IT'S NOT FAMILY FRIENDLY, YOU KNOW, KIDS OF ALL AGES TYPE. 
          IF IT WAS A, A LARGER, I GUESS, PLACE STRUCTURE THAT INCLUDED, I I, I JUST, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS SPENDING MONEY ON THAT TYPE OF PROJECT AND IT'S GONNA BE THERE AND NO ONE USES IT. 
          IF WHAT WAS SHARED BACK WHEN THEY DID THE PLAN WAS THE ZIP LINE, THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, COALESCED AROUND AND THEN WE KIND OF CHANGED IT TO THIS. 
          IS THERE A REAL DESIRE TO DO THIS? WELL, WE'RE HERE TO TAKE DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD, SO THIS BOARD WANTS TO HAVE US GO IN ANOTHER DIRECTION. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          WHAT ARE Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS ON THAT? WELL, IT'S ON WHICH ONE? THE ZIP LINE, THE ADULT, WELL, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A LINE ADULT PLAYGROUND. 
          WELL, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THE FACT THAT THE AREA DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF TREES AND THAT WHEN THESE DISCUSSIONS WERE ORIGINALLY HAD, PEOPLE WERE PROBABLY ENVISIONING TREES. 
          AND THAT WE REALLY NEED TO ENSURE THAT WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING THERE IS OKAY TO BE OUT IN THE SUN, OR AT LEAST THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME KIND OF SHADE. 
          I BET IF YOU DID A COMMUNITY SURVEY ON THAT OR A MORE PICKLEBALL COURTS. 
          MORE PICKLEBALL COURTS. 
          I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING HOW, IF, IF, I MEAN YOU'RE SAYING MORE PICKLEBALL COURTS, YOU'RE SAYING THERE SHOULD BE TREES TO HAVE NO, NO, THERE'S NO TREES. 
          WELL, RIGHT, SO I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA, I GUESS MY QUESTION BECOMES OF THESE THREE FOR MARTIN MARIETTA, CAN WE REALLY, I MEAN, CAN WE EXPLORE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE ADULT ADVENTURE COURSE? TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE AND, AND LOOK AT SOME OTHER 
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PARKS PROJECT. 
          I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT AN ADULT ADVENTURE COURSE IS IT JUST A LITTLE BRUTAL WITHOUT SHAPE? I MEAN, SO IS THERE A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT WE CAN, I MEAN, CARRIE, HOW, HOW MUCH OF A WRENCH ARE WE GONNA THROW IN YOUR PLANS? I MEAN, WE MAKE, WE CHANGE WHENEVER Y'ALL SAY. 
          SO SORRY, THERE'S NO WRENCH. 
          WHAT, WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WAS PUT ON THAT, DO YOU KNOW? TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          AND THEN DO YOU ALREADY HAVE MANY GIFTS? I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SOME COMPANIES AND, UH, THE CONSULTANT THAT WE WORK WITH HAS BEEN FILTERING OUT SOME POSSIBLE GROUPS THAT DO THESE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          I THINK WE BEANSTALK THE NAME OF IT. 
          UM, SO WE'VE BEEN PUT OUT SOME PILLARS THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE A ZIP LINE, DOES IT? UNDER FOLLOWING THE DISC. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, WE'RE KIND OF, LIKE YOU SAID, MOVING AWAY BECAUSE ZIP LINES ARE KIND OF NO LONGER THE TREND AND PEOPLE AREN'T REALLY ISSUE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THAT'S HOW, I MEAN, Y'ALL FEEL, I DON'T WANNA HEAR ANY STRONG OPPOSITION. 
          I'D REALLY LIKE TO REMOVE THE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE BIKE PUMP CORDS. 
          I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT IS OR WHAT THE, WHAT IS THAT? IT'S A TRACK AND IT CAN BE DIRT OR IT CAN BE PAVED AND IT'S FOR BICYCLES. 
          IT'LL HAVE HEELS AND JUMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT GEARED MORE TOWARDS YOUR YOUNGER POPULATION. 
          UM, VERY MUCH LIKE A SKATE PARK, BUT FOR BICYCLES LIKE MOUNTAIN BIKE, NOT YEAH, YEAH. 
          BICYCLES, NOT MOTORBIKES. 
          SO I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ELEMENTS THAT GEAR TOWARDS THE KIDS, UM, AND WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING THE SKATE PARK EVEN THOUGH IT'S AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION. 
          I MEAN, SO WE'RE ADDING A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING FOR KIDS. 
          I, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED SOMETHING FOR TEENS AND ADULTS AS WELL, BUT WELL, ARE LAY ON THIS LOCATION. 
          ARE YOU GONNA HAVE WHAT AN ADULT COURSE IS OR CAN YOU MAYBE EXPLAIN TO WHAT IT DID? I, I DON'T HAVE A CLUE. 
          AND NEITHER DOES SHARON, BY THE WAY. 
          , I MEAN, IT CAN BE AN OBSTACLE, THE OBSTACLE FORCE THAT'S IN CASE THAT ADULTS CAN DO LIKE WARRIOR AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          GIVE US ONE SECOND. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL PULL AN EXAMPLE SOMETHING WHILE WE'RE, I MEAN DOING THAT, I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, AND I, WE KNOW THE BOND REVENUE IS GOING TO COME IN IF WE HAVE THE MEANS, AND I THINK WE'RE DOING THE GENERAL FUND THAT WE CAN START SOME OF THE PLANNING PROCESS AND START SPENDING, START SPENDING THE MONEY KNOWING IT CAN BE REIMBURSEMENT BOND REVENUE. 
          I THINK THE SOONER WE CAN GET TO SOME OF THAT, THE PLANNING ACTIVITIES, THE BETTER. 
          I THINK I SPEAK FOR ALL OF US WHEN WE SAY WE'RE READY TO SEE SHOVELS IN THE GROUND FROM A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS. 
          AND I REALIZE THAT WE'RE CONFINED BY, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PROJECTS AND, AND STAFF CONSTRAINTS. 
          BUT, WELL, IT'S HELPFUL TO ME IF WE HAVE A CONSENSUS BEFORE I'M APPLYING FOR GRANTS BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY APPLIED FOR A GRANT WITH THESE CERTAIN PROJECTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, I'M GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE IF WE GET PART OF GRANT, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A CHANGE BECAUSE I ALREADY APPLIED WITH THIS. 
          WELL, I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT. 
          WHAT A WRENCH. 
          IF YOU'VE ALREADY HAD GRANTS FOR IT, THEN I, I, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY DON'T THINK WE, WELL WE CAN'T BEEN AWARDED YET, BUT WE WERE AWARDED. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU WOULD HAVE TO USE IT FOR THAT GRANT PURPOSE. 
          WELL, WE, WE'VE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY, IF THIS BOARD WENT TO TO BE INTO ANOTHER DIRECTION AND WE DID RECEIVE THIS GRANT, WE, WE BASICALLY REQUEST A CHANGE IN THE SCOPE OF THE GRANT. 
          THE CONTRACT. 
          YES. 
          WHAT AGE BRACKET DOES AN ADULT ADMINISTRATIVE COURSE IN NO TRACK? I WOULD SAY, UM, 16 UP. 
          I MEAN, PROBABLY EVEN A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER TEENS. 
          BUT IT'D BE BASED ON WHAT, TO OPEN IT UP. 
          YOU WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF SUPERVISION. 
          SO GOOD. 
          THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF AN OVERARCHING TYPE THING, BUT 
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I DON'T THINK, YEAH, ANOTHER ONE YOU'D LITERALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT A VARIETY OF THOSE EXAMPLES TO TRY TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE. 
          SCORE DIFFERENT. 
          I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD ACCOMMODATE, I MEAN, AS ADULTS AND KIDS WITH THE PROPER SUPERVISION, THERE'S SOME SHAD ELEMENTS THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'LL JUST SAY THIS. 
          I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA SLOW DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          THE PROCESS. 
          SO IF THIS IS WHAT IS BEING PLANNED THIS S BEEN APPLIED FOR, THEN I WOULD SAY FORWARD THIS. 
          AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE, OF THE ADVENTURE. 
          I'M AND YOU'RE PLANNING ON IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, WE WOULD WORK WITH 'EM TO DO THE DESIGN LIKE MR. HUGHES TALKED ABOUT. 
          SO THIS ONE WOULD BE A DESIGN BUILDING. 
          IT WOULD, I, I'M GOING BEFUDDLE HERE. 
          WHAT'S THE PURPOSE? JUST WALKING THROUGH THESE THINGS AND CLIMBING SOME ROADS. 
          THEY LIKE TO DO RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY OUT IN THE WILDERNESS OR PARK. 
          I MEAN, YOU HAVE YOUR ADVENTURE THROUGH LIST THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. 
          TREY WOULD GET ON IT, RIGHT? I I WOULD, I'D GET ON IT. 
          SO, UM, I, I JUST WANTED, I DID NOT KNOW WHAT AN ADULT ADVENTURE COURSE WAS AND I KNOW WE HAD TALKED, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK BACK IN THE, WHEN WE DID THE PRESENTATIONS ON THE BOND, IT WAS ALL ABOUT ZIPLINE. 
          AND SO MAKING IT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC THAT IT'S KIND OF A SHIFT. 
          I, I THINK IT'S A SHIFT WHERE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO HAVE STAFF OUT THERE. 
          I MEAN, WHATEVER WE DO, WE SHOULD NOT PLAN ON HAVING IT STAFFED AT THAT EXPENSE. 
          SO IF WE'VE ALREADY GOT A GRANT IN FOR STUFF LIKE THIS, I'M KIND OF WITH THE MAYOR, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SLOW IT DOWN LOOKING AT IT AS LONG AS WHEN WE'RE IN THE DESIGN PHASE, MAKING IT CLEAR THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FAMILY. 
          IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, UPPER TEEN, YOUNG ADULT TYPE. 
          IT'S, IT SHOULD BE AN INCLUSIVE, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE TO TRY TO, I MEAN, IF, IF WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE MARTIN MARIET A REGIONAL DESTINATION FOR RECREATION, THIS COULD BE A NICE COMPONENT, BUT JUST KEEPING THAT IN MIND. 
          SO, UM, BUT I'M, I'M WITH THE MAYOR ON, WE NEED TO, THERE'S PLANNING EXPENSE COSTS THAT WE CAN INCUR NOW AND GET REIMBURSED. 
          LET'S JUST MOVE THIS BALL. 
          YEAH, IT'S BIG. 
          THANK YOU GARY. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          SO IS, IS ANYBODY ON THE BOARD INTERESTED IN NOT EXPEDITING ANYTHING THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN? IT'S NOT A LEADING QUESTION IF IT'S ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ATION PROJECT? IF NOT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO IT TO DISCUSSION. 
          SO IN YOUR INFORMATION, WE'VE JUST GOT SOME INFORMATION ON ALL THE BOARDS COMMISSIONS, UM, MOST RECENTLY WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION 
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ABOUT REDUCING THAT BOARD THERE IS LET US KNOW AND WE'LL HAVE TO START WORKING ON THAT. 
          IF NOT, WE'LL WE'LL CERTAINLY MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TIME. 
          CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WHAT THE STATUS AND MEETING SCHEDULE AND FRANKLY PROJECTS INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE? SO THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS TO BASICALLY, UH, TAKE PUBLIC INPUT, UH, REGARDING C PRODUCT PLAN. 
          THEY'LL HAVE THREE MEETINGS A YEAR. 
          THEY DEFINITELY HAVE ONE FIRST OF EACH YEAR. 
          AND, AND THEY LISTEN TO INPUT FROM, FROM CITIZENS WHO POSSIBLY HAVE A PROJECT, UH, THAT THEY WOULD LIKELY BE CONSIDERED FOR FUNDS. 
          IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT FROM HUD TO HAVE A STANDALONE COMMITTEE TO THIS. 
          SO IF THE BOARD WAS INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING ELSE WITH THIS COMMITTEE, BASICALLY NOT THREE MEETINGS NOT REQUIRED TO TAKE STAFF TIME. 
          AND WE HAVE A BUILDING COMMISSION THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL THE CDBG AREA. 
          SO THEY COULD, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION DOES COVER ALL CDBG AREA, WELL ALL OF THE CDBG AREA FALLS WITHIN THE BUILDING COMMISSION, THEIR CDBG AREA OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING COMMISSION AREA. 
          BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OKAY. 
          IS WITHIN THAT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WHAT WOULD BE THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE DOWNSIDE IN ESSENTIALLY USING REONE COMMISSION AS A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHEN IT COMES TO CTP TWO FUNDS AND CUTTING BACK COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MINOR? THE ONLY THING TO BEAR IN MIND IS THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS KIND OF GEOGRAPHICALLY LIMITED TO ITS DOMAIN, THE BUILDING DISTRICT TO, SO TO THE EXTENT THAT ANY CBG ACTIVITIES WOULD BE AFFECTED OR FALL OUTSIDE THAT GEOGRAPHICAL AREA, THAT A CHALLENGE? WELL, I MEAN, WE HAD THAT JOINT MEETING WITH DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AND THEY SAID THEY WANTED DIRECTION FROM US AND THEY WANT SUPPORT FROM US. 
          IT SEEMED TO ME THAT IF WE COMBINE THESE, NOT COMBINE THE BOARD, BUT ESSENTIALLY GAVE THEM ADDITIONAL RESOURCE IN THE FORM OF YOU'RE GONNA ADVISE US ON HOW TO SPEND THE CDPG FUNDS, THAT GIVES THEM AN EXTRA TOOL ON THEIR TOOLBOX FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA AND WOULD SHOW OUR SUPPORT TO THAT BOARD. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ALSO THERE'S AT LEAST ONE PERSON ON THAT BOARD WHO IS VERY INTERESTED IN THINGS OTHER THAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE, I MEAN, AND, AND WE COULD IN OUR DISCRETION TO SPEND, I MEAN, TO SPEND CDBG FUNDS WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ANYWAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO I MEAN, DOES THIS BOARD, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH ELIMINATING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS A SEPARATE COMMITTEE AND ASKING REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO WORK WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON THE CDBG PLAN AS NEEDED? AS LONG AS THERE WEREN'T EVER A CONFLICT, AND I'M NOT SURE WOULD IT, BUT COULD THERE BE ONE AND IF THERE WAS, HOW WOULD THE, THE REBUT COMMISSION BOARD RECUSE ITSELF FROM DISCUSSION OR APPRO THE BLOCK GRANT IF THERE WAS SOME INFIELD DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS IN CONFLICT WITH A BLOCK GRANT? I, I'VE SEEN NOT, I, THAT'S A GOOD REASON THAT THEY'RE SEPARATE IF THEY'RE JUST ACTING AS ADVISORY NATURE. 
          I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THIS BOARD IS THE ONE THAT DECIDES THAT PLAN. 
          AND SO I CAN'T, I MEAN, I CAN'T THINK OF A SITUATION WHERE THERE WOULD BE A CONFLICT AND I THINK IT WOULD, I THINK IT WOULD LIKELY TAKE SOME, ALLEVIATE SOME STRU, SOME STAFF ISSUES WITH HAVING THESE TWO DIFFERENT BOARDS. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S A BOARD THAT WAS ESTABLISHED AT ONE TIME, I BELIEVE, AND HAD A PURPOSE AND REALLY DOESN'T RIGHT NOW, AND KNOW THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED BY HUD TO ASSIST. 
          UH, TYPICALLY THE ONLY MEETING THEY'VE HAD, I THINK SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IS THEY COME IN JANUARY WHEN WE HAVE OUR NEEDS HEARING FOR, FOR CBBG. 
          BUT, UM, JAMIE, I KNOW WE'VE PULLED THIS UP RECENTLY. 
          I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS, I DON'T EVEN THINK WE HAVE TO ASK ANOTHER BOARD TO DO WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING. 
          IT'S JUST NOT SOME, IT'S A LITTLE BIT ANTIQUATED AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED IT AND I, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH ELIMINATING IT. 
          THAT'S THE WILL OF THE BOARD. 
          I, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION WOULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT FROM IF THEY TOOK ON THAT ROLE AND THEY DID A JANUARY NEEDS HEARING OR WHATEVER, THAT THOSE COMMISSIONERS WOULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE PEOPLE COME AND TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS. 
          SO I'M IN FAVOR. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE IF Y'ALL BE, I'D LIKE TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO GET A RESOLUTION IN PLACE TO DISSOLVE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AND THEN ASK FOR DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE TO RE REBUILD THE COMMISSION TO 
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ESSENTIALLY TAKE ON SOME OF THEIR ADVISORY GOALS. 
          SO JESS, YOU SAID THEY ONLY MET LIKE ONCE AND I THINK WE WERE ACTUALLY ASKED AT ONE TIME, MS. CLERK TO NOT APPOINT ANYBODY BEFORE WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE DIRECTIONS. 
          I CERTAINLY THINK THAT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT GOING? OKAY, SO STAFF WILL BRING THAT BACK. 
          FUTURE. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSION BOARD? UM, I HAVE TALKED TO MULTIPLE, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE TALKED TO EVERYBODY, BUT I TALKED MULTIPLE PEOPLE ON THE MSD ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THEN THE LAST MEETING THEY HAD, THEY HAVE QUORUM. 
          UM, AND, AND BOBBY, TELL ME YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. 
          I'M SORRY TO SPRING IT ON YOU, BUT THAT GROUP WAS INTENDED TO COME UP WITH IDEAS FOR MSD UH, PROJECTS. 
          THEY HAVE DONE THAT, AND WE HAVE A TON OF PROJECTS, MSD PROJECTS THAT ARE, UM, IN THE PIPELINE. 
          THEY GET REALLY BOGGED DOWN IN THE WEEDS OF SOME TECHNICAL ASPECTS THAT I DON'T THINK THEY ARE EQUIPPED TO DO MORE AS OUR BOARD ASKED THEM TO DO. 
          I WOULD BE, I THINK, AND FRANKLY I WOULD BE RESPECTFUL OF THOSE VOLUNTEERS' TIME THAT I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT ELIMINATING THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND HAVE THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA, AND THEN WE'LL GIVE EVERYONE OF THAT COMMITTEE NOTICE AND IF THEY FEEL STRONGLY, I CAN REMOVE IT FROM, BUT, BUT THE FOLKS I'VE TALKED TO, NO ONE HAS STRONG FEELINGS. 
          UH, IT TAKES AWAY STAFF TIME, FRANKLY. 
          AND THEY JUST, I, I FEEL LIKE THEY SPIN THEIR WHEELS ON THINGS THAT, UM, THEY GET FRUSTRATED AT BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T TAKE SOME OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO I WOULD BE OPEN TOO. 
          SO IF THEY NEED FUNDING IS A SEPARATE, WHAT, 13% RANGE? UM, ARE YOU SAYING THAT STAFF OF  WOULD TAKE OVER THAT ROLE? WHO, WHO WOULD DO WHAT THEY WERE DOING? WELL, I'M SAYING WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND MSD HAS A LOT OF CROSSOVER WITH SWISS BEAR AND YOU HAVE BETWEEN SWISS BAY, HYDRA AND THE CHAMBER, YOU HAVE A LOT OF ENTITIES OPERATING IN THAT MSD FOOTPRINT THAT CAN COME UP WITH IDEAS AND I THINK A COMBINATION OF THOSE ENTITIES COMING UP WITH IDEAS AND PROJECTS IN THE MSD AND THEN IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT ON YOUR, ON ME OR WARD ALDERMAN TO TAKE THOSE PROJECTS AND BRING IT BEFORE THOSE GROUPS AS WELL AS THIS BOARD FOR FUNDING. 
          BECAUSE THE MSD ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THEY DON'T AUTHORIZE, THEY JUST RECOMMEND PROJECTS. 
          I'VE ALWAYS, UM, FELT THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I REMEMBER WHEN THIS HAPPENED, IT WAS WHEN, WHENEVER THE EXODUS IS DOWNTOWN BERT TO THE MALL, UM, I, I REMEMBER WHEN MSD WAS FORMED AND I'VE ALWAYS FELT FOR THE MANY, MANY PROJECTS AND THE GON OF DOWNTOWN NEWBURG DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO MSD THAT ANYTHING THAT MSD RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY, I KIND ALWAYS FELT LIKE IT WAS THEIR LIFE. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO JUST, AND, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THOSE HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD LONGER, BUT MSD AT THE TIME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WASN'T A SEPARATE ADVISORY FORMAL COMMITTEE. 
          IT WAS MADE UP OF BUSINESS OWNERS RESIDENCE AND, UH, UM, SWISS BEAR DRIVE. 
          A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS, THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          WELL, I, I MEAN, LET'S DON'T THROW SWISS BEAR OR ANYTHING ELSE INTO THE MSS D POT OF MONEY. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S MS. D MONEY. 
          I MEAN, I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ITSELF, WHICH WAS MADE UP I THINK MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO AS A FORMAL CITY BOARD, THAT THAT COMMITTEE OF FOLKS, THERE'S A LOT OF CROSSOVER AND ALL THOSE OTHER ENTITIES, AND I FEEL LIKE IT IS A WASTE OF THEIR TIME TO MEET EVERY QUARTER. 
          YOUR YOUR PREDECESSOR WAS A BIG PROPONENT OF CREATING THIS, AND I THINK AFTER THEY HAD TWO MEETINGS, HE WAS ASKING HOW TO GET RID OF IT. 
          SO IF THAT SPEAKS TO ANYTHING. 
          SO IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO ASKING STAFF FOR A RESOLUTION? I MEAN, BOBBY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I MEAN, YOU GO TO THOSE MEETINGS. 
          I I'VE BEEN TO TWO OF THEM. 
          I MEAN, I'VE RECENTLY BEEN PUT ON MAYBE THREE, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I KIND OF WAS THINKING THAT IF I'M PAYING THE THE TAX DOWN THERE, THEN I WOULD WANT TO SAY SO IS WHAT THE MONEY WAS USED FOR, AND I DO TOO. 
          IS THIS AN ADDITIONAL TAX? SO LET'S KEEP IN MIND, WHEN WAS THE MSD CREATED? IT WAS CREATED BY THE SD TAX ITSELF, 78 OR SO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO 78 BEFORE I WAS BORN 
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WAS CREATED. 
          AND WE CREATED THIS MSD ADVISORY COMMITTEE A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          SO IT OPERATED FOR DECADES IN A PSEUDO PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK AND INPUT AND THE PROJECT GOT DONE SO, RIGHT. 
          AND THEN  SAID THAT THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS ALREADY COME UP WITH PLENTY OF PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE. 
          SO IN ESSENCE, THEY'VE COMPLETED THEIR TASK AND ARE KIND OF, THEY HANGING OUT. 
          I I THINK THEY HAVE COMPLETED THEIR TASK AS OF RIGHT NOW. 
          OBVIOUSLY MSD TAX IS BRINGS IN REVENUE EVERY YEAR. 
          AND SO YOU'LL SEE MORE REVENUE COME IN AND PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE ADVANCED. 
          SO, AND WHO WOULD DO THAT? WHO WOULD, WHO WOULD MEET AND MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHAT? I MEAN WE JUST, WE, THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, WE, WE HAD MET WITH A, A VENDOR ABOUT THE COMMUNICATIONS DOWNTOWN. 
          UH, IF IT WASN'T FOR THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHO WOULD DO THAT, MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT OPERATED PRIOR TO HAVING THAT FORMAL STRUCTURE IS YOU HAD THE ALDERMAN MEET WITH RESIDENT GROUP BUSINESS GROUPS, SWISS BAY CHAMBER, HYDRO, THOSE ENTITIES ALREADY WORKING THERE. 
          PROJECT I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT IT WAS, UH, UM, A COMMITTEE BASICALLY FORMED BY ALDERMAN BINGLE BEFORE SHE WAS AN ALDERMAN BECAUSE I THINK WE WHAT SHE WANTS KIND OF HEADING IT UP AND, AND TRYING TO GET, I THINK WHAT SHE WAS ON. 
          I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF, IF IT MAKES, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST MY THOUGHT AFTER GOING TO SOME OF THESE, AND I WENT TO 'EM PRIOR TO BEING ELECTED AND WATCHED IT AND THEN AS WE, SINCE THE ELECTION HAD GONE TO 'EM, AND I THINK IF THERE'S SOME CONSTERNATION THERE, IF IT WOULD MAKE Y'ALL FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT, I DON'T MIND TABLING THIS IDEA AND ASKING THAT COMMITTEE OUTRIGHT. 
          DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE? I'VE ASKED MOST OF THEM, SO I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT WE'LL DO IT. 
          WHAT'S THE ANSWER? MOST OF THEM SAY, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT I'M, I'M FINE AT A FORMAL MEETING TO ASK THEM AND HAVE THEM PUT SOMETHING ON THE RECORD THAT SAYS WE DON'T NEED TO BE ANYMORE. 
          MOST OF THEM DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YES, SPANNING, BUT AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT IN A, I I'M STILL NOT, I'M STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THESE, THIS MAPPED AREA THAT'S 13 CENTS PER HUNDRED VALUATION, UM, 22, THANK YOU FOR  ON THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THIS MONEY IS THERE AND THEN HYPOTHETICALLY IT COULD EVOLVE TO WHERE A CITY OF STAFF IS SPENDING THE MONEY AS THEY SEE FIT FOR THESE RESIDENT. 
          NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I THINK ANY MONEY THAT IS SPENT FROM MSD PROJECTS HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THIS BOARD, JUST LIKE GENERAL FUND PROJECTS, ANNUAL BUDGET. 
          BUT IT'S ALWAYS, IN MY OPINION, BEEN AT THE PLEASURE OF WHATEVER MSD UH, REQUESTED THAT THE MONEY BE SPENT ON THE MSDS ONLY BEEN AROUND FOR TWO YEARS. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I MEAN THE M MS D ADVISORY COMMITTEE ITSELF, BUT AGAIN, I I, SO BACK WHEN THE SD WAS CREATED SEVENTIES, EIGHTIES, THERE WAS A COMMITTEE ESTABLISHED AT THAT TIME. 
          I DON'T THINK IT WAS RECONSTITUTED AFTER, AFTER THE TERMS EXPIRED. 
          SO IT'S JUST BEEN AN IMPROMPTU GROUP THAT I BELIEVE THE WAR I ALDERMAN AT, AT THAT TIME PULLED TOGETHER. 
          I MEAN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE, THE AWARD WON ARMY COULD HOLD A TOWN HALL AT CITY HALL EARLY IN THE BUDGET PROCESS AND INVITE ANYBODY THAT HAS MSD OWNERSHIP TO COME TO CITY HALL AND GIVE US YOUR OPINIONS. 
          AND THEN THE AWARD WAR ARMY CAN SHARE THAT WITH THE BUDGET STAFF AND BUILD THAT IN THE BUDGET. 
          AND THAT COULD BE DONE. 
          I THINK WHAT WHAT TREY'S GETTING AT IS, I MEAN, I, I WATCHED ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO RECOMMEND, THEY WANT AN UPGRADE TO THE PARKING LOT AT BEAR PLAZA. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY, YES, WE WANT TO SPEND OUR MONEY TO DO THAT PROJECT. 
          NEXT THING WE KNOW, WE'VE GOT ENGINEERS IN THERE, WE'VE GOT ARCHITECTS TRYING TO DESIGN IT AND SAYING, THIS IS WHERE TREES AND PARK MENTIONS NEED TO GO. 
          AND THAT'S NOT WITHIN THEIR PURVIEW. 
          THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY, WE WANNA SPEND THE MONEY ON THIS PROJECT, THEN IT'S UP TO STAFF AND THE BOARD TO MAKE THAT DECISION IS THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY HOW I SEE IT. 
          AND YOU HAVE QUARTERLY MEETINGS WHERE OUR CITY MANAGER, OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, A A CAMERA, OUR FINANCE OFFICER ARE ALL SITTING THERE WHILE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A DESIGN PROCESS THAT THIS BOARD MAY OR MAY NOT FOLLOW. 
          SO AGAIN, I'M FINE TO TAKE THIS MATTER AND BRING IT UP AT THAT COMMITTEE AND HAVE THEM ALL VOTE. 
          AND IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CHANGE THEIR MINDS OR MAJORITY OF 'EM SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT, I'LL DROP IT. 
          BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THE CASE, BUT I'LL ASK THEM AT THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? ANY OTHER SUBMITTED BOARDS? THE ONLY OTHER THING FOR REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, I BELIEVE THIS, JUST AS A FOLLOW UP, I BELIEVE THAT OUR JOINT MEETING, THOSE COMMISSIONERS SAID 
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THEY WERE FINE WITH SEVEN MEMBERS AND WE HAD ASKED STAFF FOR A RESOLUTION. 
          AND SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, WE'RE BRINGING THAT BACK UP. 
          THAT WILL BE UP THE JULY. 
          IT'S GONNA BE AN ORDINANCE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DECREASE TO SEVEN COUPLED WITH WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY TYPE FUNCTIONS, CORRECT? LIKE WE JUST THAT'S WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK. 
          YES. 
          HAVE ALMOND FERGUSON ARE, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THE COMPOSITION OF THE HBC? UH, THERE, THERE AT TIME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DISCUSSION OF WHETHER OR NOT INDIVIDUALS THAT DON'T, THAT DO NOT LIVE AT HBC SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT SERVE ON HC. 
          I MEAN, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHEN IT COMES TO THE HPC THAT WE APPOINT FOLKS THAT HAVE SOME SPECIAL, SOME SOME SPECIALTY. 
          I MEAN THE STATUTE REQUIRES RDC, WELL I THINK HE SAID H-P-C-H-P-C-H-P-C, HE SWITCHED UP. 
          I, YEAH, THE, THE STATUTE FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS, I THINK REQUIRE OR, OR EITHER REQUIRE OR STRONGLY SUGGEST HAVING CERTAIN, UH, PROFESSIONALS, UM, LIKE ARCHITECTS, CONTRACTORS AND THOSE TYPES OF PEOPLE WITH THAT KIND OF BACKGROUND. 
          AND I THINK WE HAVE GOTTEN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER HAD THAT, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY. 
          WE HAVE SOME WHO HAVE THAT BACKGROUND AND OTHERS THAT DON'T. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BETTER MAKEUP, BUT, UM, THAT BOARD'S FULLY, I I THINK THAT'S MORE OF AN APPOINTMENT ISSUE, NOT A CHANGING OF THE STATUTE ITSELF. 
          I MEAN, I, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY LET'S ONLY HAVE FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          BUT LOOKING AT THE, THE ROSTER, THERE'S, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF 'EM NOW DO. 
          SO CHIEF, CHIEF, UM, THE POLICE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THEY HAD MEETING? I'VE BEEN HERE FIVE YEARS SINCE, NEVER HAD MEETING IN FIVE APPOINTED, PARDON ME? YES. 
          SOMEBODY APPOINTED. 
          TWO APPOINTED. 
          WE STILL APPOINT PEOPLE. 
          THEY YES, BUT WHEN THEY'RE REPORTED, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A SERVE AS NEEDED AND THAT THEY COULD BUILD FULL TERM AND NEVER HAVE NEED TO BE CALLED. 
          AND I THINK NEWBURN STATE, CHARLOTTE CCS IN NORTH CAROLINA THAT STILL HAVE ONE. 
          AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OUR OFFICERS LIKE, I MEAN GRANTED FIVE YEARS DIDN'T HAVE TO USE IT, BUT THE OFFICERS LIKE HAVING THAT AS AN OPTION. 
          YES, THEY DID. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I SAW THAT THE P AND Z BOARD HAD TO CANCEL THEIR LAST MEETING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THERE'S 10 MEMBERS OF THAT BOARD, BUT THERE EIGHT ON THAT BOARD. 
          OKAY, SO THERE'S EIGHT. 
          SO DOES, IS THAT THE RIGHT HOW THERE EIGHT GONNA BE ODD NUMBER. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE ONE IN THE E TJ I THINK AT ONE POINT IN TIME AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT NUMBER EIGHT. 
          THAT'S HOW MOST PLACES ENDED UP WITH ODD NUMBER OF Z NUMBER. 
          SO ARE WE, I MEAN, A STAFF OKAY, WITH THE NUMBER, I THINK THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS THE RIGHT SIZE AND FUNCTIONING. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT NOW. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. 
          UH, NUMBER EIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION ON STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          SO WE, WE GOT YOUR INFORMATION, UM, AND YOUR DIRECTION ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          WE HAVE NOT STARTED WORKING WITH STAFF ON THIS YET. 
          THE PLAN IS DURING THE MONTH OF JULY, WE'LL GET A PLAN AND, AND ROLL OUT, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED AND THEN COME BACK TO THE BOARD PROBABLY TOWARD THE END OF THE SUMMER WITH SOME UPDATES ON THAT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? IS THERE A PLAN OR DISCUSSION? BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WHAT WE HAVE, LOOKING AT THE SEPTEMBER OCTOBER TIMELINE FOR SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I I DIDN'T GO BACK TO LAST YEAR'S BOND PROJECT. 
          THERE WAS SUCH, I MEAN, IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE I OUTREACH FROM THE CITY ON HOW YOU ENGAGED THE PUBLIC IN DIFFERENT SETTINGS. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT CHANGING PRIORITIES, IS THERE GOING TO BE A PLAN FOR THAT TYPE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND IS OUR TIMELINE REALISTIC? DO WE NEED TO ADJUST THE TIMELINE? UH, AS WE SIT DOWN WITH STAFF AND TALK THROUGH IT, WE CAN LET YOU KNOW. 
          UPDATE ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          NUMBER NINE. 
          UPDATE ON DEPARTMENT PROJECTS. 
          ALRIGHT, SO LEMME GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON A VARIETY OF PROJECTS THAT ARE EITHER GOING ON NOW AND THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IN THE BACKGROUND OR COMING UP IN 2027. 
          SO WITH ADMINISTRATION, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON WEBSITE UPDATES FOR THE ER.GOV. 
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WE ANTICIPATE ROLLING THE NEW WEBSITE OUT, UM, SOMETIME BY THE END OF THE SUMMER. 
          WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT SOME AREAS ALONG THE ER, RIVER WALK WHERE WE BASICALLY HAVE GAPS. 
          AND SO WHEN WE HAVE THOSE GAPS, WE'RE HAVING TO GO BACK ON SIDEWALK. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN BASICALLY WORK WITH PARTNERS ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO, TO TIE IN AND, AND CREATE A SEAMLESS RIVER WALK ACROSS THE ENTIRE AREA. 
          SO WE'RE, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT, UH, WE'RE TALKING TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS DOING SOME PRELIMINARY PLANNING AND COST ESTIMATING WHEN WE HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION AND THAT POSSIBLY REVENUE SOURCE WILL BRING THAT BACK TO THE DOOR. 
          I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL FOR SPECIALTY SHOPS ON THE CORNER, LOT OF HANCOCK AND SOUTH FRONT STREET. 
          CURRENTLY WE HAVE NOT GONE TO THE MSD ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO TALK ABOUT ANY FUNDING, BUT I'LL TELL YOU, WE ARE GONNA BE TAKING THAT TO THE HPC ON, ON THE DESIGN. 
          WE HAVE TO GET THEIR INPUT AND THEN WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO THE BOARD AT SOME POINT IN, IN THE, UH, OR, OR THIS FALL, TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          SO JUST GIVING YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT. 
          UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE THREE THINGS? IF NOT, I'M GONNA ASK CHIEF LER TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT SOME GOOD MORNING. 
          THE FIRST TIME. 
          I'LL SAY GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. UM, SO JUST A COUPLE PROJECTS TO DISCUSS REAL BRIEFLY. 
          UM, EVERYONE'S AWARE THAT WE JUST WENT, WE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF OUR ACCREDITATION, SOMETIMES I CATCH MYSELF SAYING THE ACCREDITATION, BUT, UM, COMMISSION LACKS FOR THE STATE ACCREDITATION BECAUSE IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIRD PARTY VALIDATION TO COME THROUGH, LOOK UNDER THE HOOD, AND REALLY GO THAT WE DO APPRECIATE THOSE WHO ARE, UM, PRESENT WITH US AS FAR AS THE OPEN. 
          AND THEN THE CLOSING BRIEFING. 
          SO WHAT WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS, UM, THE TEAM THAT COME IN, COME IN 1ST OF JUNE, UM, WAS WITH US FOR SEVERAL DAYS. 
          AND, UH, AT THE END OF THAT, THE ONE THING WE WANTED TO HEAR IS THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSION FOR OUR ACCREDITATION. 
          SO THAT'S A GREAT THING. 
          UM, NEXT STEPS FOR THAT IS WE'RE LOOKING AT AUGUST 18TH THAT WE'LL BE, UM, GOING OUT TO CHICAGO, ILLINOIS. 
          HAVE TO DO A Q AND A SESSION IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION, ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS AND HOPEFULLY BE LEAVING BACK WITH, UH, ACCREDITATION. 
          UM, WITH THAT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S ON THE FIVE YEAR CYCLE, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE OUR COMPLIANCE REPORTS, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING IN LINE NOW WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND OUR STANDARD COVER. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE NEXT STEPS FOR US. 
          WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO WORK IN THAT DIRECTION OF REWRITES FOR BOTH OF THOSE. 
          UM, STANDARD OF COVER, UM, IS, UH, SEVERAL PAGES AS FAR AS THAT DOCUMENT'S CONCERNED, BUT DURING THE TIME THAT I'M IN PLACE, WITHIN THIS COUPLE OF OPERATIONAL CHANGES THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE HAVE IN BLACK AND WHITE REFLECT THE MATTER IN WHICH WE OPERATE. 
          UM, THE STRATEGIC PLAN, UH, DOES HAVE A COUPLE OF STEPS. 
          UM, THERE WILL BE INTERNAL, UH, STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS. 
          THERE'LL BE, UH, EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS. 
          WE'LL ACTUALLY BE DOING A SURVEY TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE BOTH OF THOSE COMPLETED AND THE REWRITE DONE AND BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD, UM, AROUND FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME OF NEXT YEAR. 
          UH, ALONG WITH THAT, I KIND OF BRIEFLY SPOKE ON THIS EARLIER, UM, THE NEW FIRE TRUCK, UM, ON THE NATIONAL ASKING ABOUT, IT'S STILL IN THAT PROCESS NEXT WEEK A COUPLE OF THE, UH, COMMITTEE THAT SITS ON THE APPARATUS COMMITTEE IS GONNA BE FLYING OUT DOING THE INSPECTION FOR THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, LIKE I STATED EARLIER, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT TAKE SOME DELIVERY SOMETIME IN AUGUST AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EQUIPMENT JUDGE ON IT BEFORE IT'S PLACE IN SERVICE. 
          SO PLACING IN SERVICE IS TO BE DETERMINED. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY EXACT DATES FOR THAT THIS YEAR. 
          LAST THING I'M ABOUT TO KIND OF BRIEFLY TALK ON IS THE QRD PROGRAM. 
          I WAS CALLED UP TO THE MANAGER OFFICE A FEW MONTHS BACK. 
          UM, HAD A MEETING WITH A FEW THAT ARE PRESENT THAT WAS ASKING ABOUT THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM. 
          IT WAS SOMETHING I PRESENTED ON THE FIRST YEAR WHEN I WAS HERE, UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL EQUIPMENT MEETING. 
          BUT JUST IN THAT PARTICULAR MEETING, WAS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD TRY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AS A PILOT PROGRAM BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE? SO THAT'S A CRAWL, BULK RUN KIND OF PROGRAM WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST IMPLEMENTING INTO YOUR CURRENT OPERATIONS. 
          SO WHAT I DID WAS, UH, MET WITH EACH ONE OF THE OFFICERS. 
          I SAT DOWN AND TALKED ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BASED ON THE CURRENT STAFFING THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND WE ACTUALLY, UH, LOOKED TO GO LIVE AND WE DID THAT BACK IN MAY. 
          THE REASON WHY I HAVEN'T REALLY BROUGHT ANYTHING TO THE TABLE IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DATA TO GO WITH IT. 
          IT'S BASED ON WHERE WE ARE EACH DAY WITH OUR STAFF. 
          WE RUN 18 TO 22, YOU CAN HAVE SOMEONE NOW WHETHER THAT'S VACATION OR WHETHER THAT'S SICK. 
          SO THE WAY WE IMPLEMENTED IT WAS, UH, I WAS LOOKING AT HOW DO WE LEAST AFFECT OUR CURRENT OPERATIONS WHEN ASSIGNMENTS ARE NEEDED ON SCENE. 
          SO ANYTIME WE'RE AT 20, 21 OR 22 
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IS WHEN THAT UNIT IS IN SERVICE. 
          WE'RE TRYING DIFFERENT THINGS TO SEE HOW WELL IT WORKS. 
          UH, FIRST OFF, IT'S AT, UH, ELIZABETH, WE'RE USING ONE OF THE BRUSH UNITS. 
          UH, WE HAD TO SIT DOWN AND IDENTIFY THE STAFF THAT WOULD BE APPLIED TO THIS CONCEPT WHEN IT'S IN SERVICE. 
          UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO TAKE THE TIME TO GO THROUGH EACH TYPE OF DISPATCH DETERMINANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WOULD BE IN LINE. 
          SO WE'RE NOT AFFECTING CAD, IT'S NOT BEING DISPATCHED THAT WAY. 
          THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF WHEN A CERTAIN CALL COMES OUT WILL BE A TYPE OF CALL. 
          THEY BASICALLY COUNSEL THE FIRST LEAD OUR ENGINE COMPANY AND THE RESPONSE INTO THAT. 
          SO WE'RE TRACKING DATA AS WE GO ALONG. 
          IT'S ONLY BEEN SERVICE A COUPLE TIMES, UH, BEING THAT THIS IS A HIGH TIME THAT PEOPLE ARE USING VACATION AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SIX MONTH TIMEFRAME, THREE MONTHS OF THE LUC STATION AND THREE MONTHS AT HQ STATION. 
          WE'RE GONNA REEVALUATE, REASSESS AT THAT TIME. 
          WE'RE MAKING NOTE EACH TIME IT'S IN SERVICE, WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND HOW WELL IT'S GOING WORK. 
          UM, SO, UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL ALL I HAVE ON THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL ANSWER. 
          MS. CHIEF CAN EXPLAIN TO ME. 
          UM, WHICH, WHAT IS YOUR STANDARD OF COVER AND STRATEGIC PLAN REVIEW AND DIVISION? SO THOSE ARE STAKEHOLDERS AND YEAH, SO THOSE ARE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY, YOU CAN GO TO OUR WEBPAGE FOR THE FIRE AND YOU CAN SEE IT. 
          SO IT'S ACTUALLY A STRATEGIC PLAN SPECIFIC TO THE DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, AND THE STANDARD COVER GOES THROUGH FAR AS THE DEPARTMENT'S CONCERNED. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER MANY. 
          UM, EACH ONE OF THOSE ARE SPECIFIC TO THE DEPARTMENT. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN IN PLACE. 
          THEY WERE INITIALLY IN PLACE, UH, RIGHT AROUND THE TIME OF THE FIRST, UH, FIVE YEARS CYCLE THAT ACCREDITATION TOOK PLACE. 
          AND IT'S JUST A REWRITE TO WHAT'S ALREADY DONE. 
          SO THAT'S WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE EXTERNAL INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS ON A STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          THERE'LL BE A PROCESS WE'LL BRING IN, UH, ASSISTANCE FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          WE, AND WE ALSO ASSIST OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEIRS. 
          ONE OF THOSE BEING GREENVILLE, ONE OF THOSE BEING JACKSONVILLE. 
          SO IT'S DONE FAIRLY CONSISTENTLY AND WE'LL, WE'LL BE PUTTING OUT INFORMATION AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL SO YOU'LL BE AWARE OF IT. 
          OKAY, BECAUSE I WAS JUST, I WAS THINKING WHEN YOU SAID UM, STATE GUARD WAS LIKE CITIZENS, BUT YOU ARE DOING IT WITH OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS. 
          EXTERNAL WILL INCLUDE INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY MORE SO INTERNAL AS FAR AS, OKAY, SO THE QUICK RESPONSE VEHICLES, UM, YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY STARTED DOING THAT AND IN SIX MONTHS YOU GUYS WILL HAVE A GOOD CONS LIST. 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, LIKE I SAID WE WERE GONNA DO, WHEN WE HAD THAT MEETING, UM, WE HAD TO TAKE THE TIME TO MEET WITH OFFICER BUSINESS, A CHANGE IN HOW WE OPERATE, UH, PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE LIKE THAT. 
          SO IT TOOK A FEW WEEKS TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          MAY 1ST WAS THE FIRST DAY THAT WE WERE SHOOTING FOR A GO LIVE DAY. 
          IT'S ONLY BEEN IN SERVICE A COUPLE TIMES. 
          I THINK TODAY IS ACTUALLY A DAY BETWEEN, SO, SO IT'S IN SERVICE TODAY AND WE'RE DOING THREE MONTHS AT ELIZABETH STATION AND THREE MONTHS OF EXECUTE TO SEE WHICH WAY IT WORKS BEST. 
          IT'S NOT A UNIT THAT WOULD BE RESPONDENT AS THE FIRST DUES DISTRICTLY BECAUSE OF TIME CONSTRAINTS. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL PROS AND CONS AS WE FORWARD IT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I WOULD BASICALLY SAY THAT THE FOCUS OF OUR DEPARTMENT IS ON THREE MAIN THINGS, WHICH IS FIRST OF ALL MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT TECHNOLOGY, UH, WORKING ON INVESTMENTS IN NEW TECHNOLOGY AND MAINTAINING OUR NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          I'VE LISTED A FEW, JUST A FEW OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE HERE. 
          IT DOES NOT INCLUDE PROJECTS THAT WE, WE PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          UH, JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT JUST A FEW AND I'LL GET OUT YOU THE FIRST ONE ON THE SECURE NC PROJECT. 
          THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE, THE ONES WHERE I THINK THE STATE HAS GOTTEN IT RIGHT, IF YOU ARE, SOME OF YOU WHO ARE AWARE FOR TECHNOLOGY NEEDS. 
          WE'VE GOT THE NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AND AS A STATE THEY'RE LOOKING AT STATEWIDE INITIATIVES TO HELP PROVIDE TECHNOLOGY RESOURCES TO LOCAL AND STATE ENTITIES AND ALSO TO DEAL WITH THE CYBERSECURITY ISSUES THAT ALL OF US ARE FACING ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          SO THANKFULLY WITH OUR INVOLVEMENT WITH THOSE ENTITIES AT BOTH THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL, WE WERE UH, GRANTED TO BE A PART OF A PILOT PROJECT FOR THIS THING CALLED SECURE NC FOR THE STATE. 
          IT ACTUALLY PROVIDES US RESOURCES TO HELP US MANAGE ALL OF THE DEVICES WE HAVE LOCALLY. 
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NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IT GIVES US ACCESS TO SOFTWARE AND RESOURCES AND THE STATE PAYS FOR IT. 
          SO THIS IS TO BE A, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ACTUALLY, UM, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A STATE SPONSORED PROJECT QUITE A FEW TIMES WHEN WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN THE STATE ACTUALLY FUND A MANDATE. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. 
          UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY A PART OF THE PILOT PROJECT, UM, FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING BEFORE THE STATE BOARDS AND, AND DOING ALL THAT THINGS AT THE STATE LEVEL TO GET THIS THING, UH, RENEWED AND APPROVED GOING FORWARD. 
          SO WE'RE HAPPY TO KNOW THAT, BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE A PART OF THAT, TO BE IN, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A STATEWIDE RESOURCE OF NOT ONLY THE SYSTEM BUT ACTUALLY UM, ACCESS TO THE TECHNICAL EXPERTS TO HELP US GET ALL THIS STUFF IMPLEMENTED. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. 
          UH, THE MU ENHANCEMENTS, AGAIN, PART OF THE THING THAT WE DO ON A CONTINUAL BASIS IS TO TRY TO GET THE MOST OUT OF THE TECHNOLOGY WE'VE ALREADY INVESTED IN. 
          SO THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          AND THEN THE OTHERS HAVE TO DO WITH MAINTAINING THE INVESTMENTS WE ARE ALREADY MAKING. 
          UH, ONE OF THE BIG ONES AGAIN IS OUR TELEPHONE SYSTEM. 
          WE JUST FINISHED A MULTI-YEAR PROJECT OF MOVING OUR TELEPHONE LINES FROM THE OLD AM ANALOG TECHNOLOGY TO THE NEW DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO FOR THE COMING YEARS IS TO WORK ON UPGRADING THE TELEPHONE SYSTEM ITSELF. 
          SO UNLESS THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS, HOPEFULLY WE'VE KIND OF OUTLINED THOSE HERE FOR YOU. 
          AND UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UM, THAT'S MY REPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PROJECTS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON AND FINISHING UP, UM, THE RIVER WALK FISHING PIER, WORKING ON THE RESTROOM STRUCTURE THAT'S GONNA BE GOING DOWN THERE. 
          WE HAVE RECEIVED OUR COA FROM THE HPC. 
          WE'RE IN THE 30 DAY APPEAL POSTING PERIOD FOR THAT. 
          UM, I HAVE RECENTLY CONTRACTED WITH ORIGINAL ENGINEERS TO DO OUR DESIGN PLAN, UM, THAT WOULD MEET FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED THE RESTROOM TRAILER, IT'S IN STORAGE AND HOPEFULLY ONCE WE GET THOSE PLANS BACK, WE PLAN TO HAVE THAT, UM, STRUCTURED COMPLETED WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. 
          CONSTRUCTION WISE. 
          UM, AUSTIN CREEK PARK, THE BOAT RAMP AND FISHING PIER. 
          UH, WE RECENTLY REDID THE, UM, THE RAMP THERE, THE PLATFORM. 
          WE REMOVED ASPHALT REFORM, FORWARD, REMOVE CONCRETE, UM, WE ADDED ADDITIONAL ROCKS DOWN TO THE END OF THE RAMP TO HELP WITH ANY WASH OUT. 
          UM, JUST THIS PAST WEEK AND UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WEEK, UM, BOBBY  HAS BEEN OUT THERE REMOVING OLD, UM, BOARDS ON THE PIER AND PUTTING IN NEW PILOTS. 
          UM, I THINK THEY'RE CLOSE AT BEING DONE WITH THAT AND STAFF GONNA GO BACK IN AND DO THE DECK AND I, ALRIGHT. 
          IT'S MUCH BE MUCH STURDIER THAN WHAT IT WAS. 
          UM, THE RAMP LOOKS GREAT, HUH? THE RAMP LOOKS GREAT. 
          THINK IT DOES LOOK GREAT. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT DONE IN JULY. 
          UM, HENDERSON PARK PROJECT, WE HAVE COMPLETED THE RESTROOM, THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELD LIGHTING IS BEING COMPLETED. 
          WE ARE IN THE WORKS OF FIELD CONSTRUCTION. 
          WE, UM, BROUGHT IN 120 LOADS OF DIRT AND SAND. 
          IT HAS BEEN MOVED AROUND AND WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THAT GRADED AND SET UP. 
          UM, WE'VE RECEIVED QUOTES FOR IRRIGATION AND LOOKING AT PLACING AN ORDER FOR DOSE SUPPLY SO THE GUYS CAN START ON THAT NEXT WEEK. 
          UM, AND ALSO RECEIVED QUOTES FOR AADE. 
          AND, UM, ONCE WE GET DONE WITH IRRIGATION, WE'LL BE WORKING TOWARDS ADE AND THE FORWARD CONSTELLATION, UM, PARKS AND GROUNDS MAINTENANCE SHOP. 
          THIS IS OUR FUTURE UPCOMING PROJECT. 
          UM, HOPE WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THE SEXTON, WE CALL IT THE SEXTON HOUSE. 
          IT'S PROPERTY OVER THERE BY CEDAR GROVE CEMETERY THAT WE'VE USED FOR STORAGE AND TRASH. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE PUT THE NEW STORAGE BUILDING THAT WE BUILT FOR THE CHRISTMAS DECOR. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT CONSTRUCTING ANOTHER FIELD, NO BEAR, 40 BY 60 UP FITTING INSIDE TO HAVE STAFF, SOME OFFICE RESTROOM, UM, SHOWER, UM, BREAK ROOM AREA OVER . 
          CURRENTLY THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A GRADE SET UP FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE COMPLETED BY JUNE 30TH OF NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, STANLEY, WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING SOME PERMANENT BLEACHERS PUT IN HERE, AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE DONE BY DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR. 
          UM, AND THEN THE SEXTON HOUSE, WHICH IS OVER AT CEDAR GROVE CEMETERY, 
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UM, IS NEED OF SOME PRESERVATION AND UPDATE TO THE EXTERIOR. 
          UM, THAT'S A PRETTY OLD BUILDING AND WOODS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GET EAT UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO WE'VE PURCHASED, UH, SUPPLIES AND STAFF, WE'RE GONNA START REDOING THE SIDE ON THAT AND HOPE TO HAVE THAT DONE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR. 
          AND THAT'S ALL OUR CURRENT PROJECTS. 
          GARY, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY OF THE BLEACHERS HERE? OH GOSH. 
          LIKE 400 TOTAL. 
          200 ON EACH SIDE? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT YOUR, YOU GOT EVERGREEN. 
          THAT WAS A TYPO. 
          SORRY. 
          THAT WASHOE BLEACHERS YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT IS THAT PROJECT THAT INSTALL FROM THE CLICKTHROUGH IN HERE IN THE AREA? WOULD IT BE BLEACHER OUT AT THE TIME? THERE'S BEEN, AT LEAST I, I KNOW OF THREE ARE GONNA, OKAY. 
          I'M MOVING ON TO CEMETERY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, JUST WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CEMETERIES OR LOOK AT, AND I'VE ASKED THIS A COUPLE TIMES, THE PAST TWO BUDGETS ABOUT ADDING COLUMN BARIUMS. UM, IF YOU CAN MOVE IT FORWARD. 
          SO OF COURSE THESE ARE OUR MAIN, OUR CEMETERIES WE DON'T BURY AND BRIAN FOR AND WE JUST MAINTAIN IT. 
          BUT THE OTHER ONES WE DO CONTINUE TO HAVE SERVICES IN TOTAL ACREAGE ON CEMETERIES, 50 ACRES. 
          UM, BURIALS IN 2025, WE HAD A TOTAL OF 120. 
          I GOT IT BROKEN DOWN BY CEMETERY. 
          UM, AND THEN TRADITIONAL VERSUS CREMATIONS. 
          UM, AND THEN EACH CEMETERY THAT HAD CREMATIONS, THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT WAS, UM, PART OF THE BURIALS IN THAT CEMETERY. 
          UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF POLY. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT COMPANIES. 
          THEY'VE MADE 'EM, UH, EASIER TO INSTALL. 
          THEY'RE NOT AS HEAVY. 
          THEY'RE MAKING OUT MATERIAL THAT'S NOT AS THICK AND HEAVY AS CONCRETE, BUT STILL SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE. 
          UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THESE ARE SOME OF THE COST AND HAVING NICHES ARE IN EACH ONE OF THESE. 
          UM, IT'S KIND OF SMALL ON THERE, BUT THE SMALLEST ONE I HAVE UP THERE IS THE FOUR SIDED COLUMN. 
          BARIUM, 240 MINUTES, A LITTLE OVER $7,000 AND THEN IT GOES UP. 
          THE BIGGEST ONE BEING A A COLUMN, UM, ONCE YOU ORDER THESE IS ANYWHERE FROM UM, SIX TO 10 WEEK TURNAROUND TIME BASED ON THE SIZE. 
          UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I HAVE SOME INFORMATION. 
          THESE ARE CURRENT NORTH CAROLINA CITIES THAT HAVE CO BARIUMS, UM, AND WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING, RESIDENT VERSUS NON-RESIDENT. 
          MOST OF THEM THESE FEE IS FOR ONE NICHE THAT HOLDS TWO, UM, EARN IN. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, TOWN OF OXVILLE, THERE'S RANGE IN TIER. 
          THEY HAVE ONE TO FOUR TIER HAS AROUND 700 TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE FEE FOR RE NON-RESIDENTS. 
          AND THEN WAKE FOREST, THEY HAVE ONE NICHE FOR 900 AND NON-RESIDENTS, TWO OH OH FOR THAT. 
          UM, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          I'VE GOT, UM, JUST IN SOME OF THE CEMETERIES LOCATIONS, THE, I MEAN THESE COULD BASICALLY BE PUT IN A VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT. 
          WE WOULD JUST NEED TO POUR CONCRETE PAD WHATEVER DESIGN WE WANTED TO DO. 
          UM, SO THAT'S CEDAR GROVE AND THE EXTENSION. 
          AND THESE ARE JUST IDEAS OF LOCATIONS, NOTHING PERMANENT. 
          GO. 
          NEXT ONE EVERGREEN. 
          UM, COUPLE PLACES THERE IN EVERGREEN CEMETERY. 
          AND THEN I THINK NEXT ONE THERE'S A MEMORIAL, A COUPLE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THERE AS WELL. 
          UM, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FEW TRADITIONAL SPACES LEFT, NEW MEMORIAL, QUITE A FEW THERE. 
          WE DO GET QUESTIONS OFTEN ABOUT CREMATION SPACES. 
          WE USED TO HAVE SOME SMALLER CREMATION SPACES. 
          THOSE HAVE ALL SOLD OUT NOW, SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY MORE OF THOSE TO SELL. 
          UM, SO I JUST THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO CAPITALIZE 
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ON WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE ALREADY. 
          UM, PAST COUPLE YEARS WE HAVE EXCEEDED OUR PROJECTION AND REVENUE FOR S SO WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, BE ABLE TO PUT SOME OF THAT MONEY BACK INTO OFFERING THESE COLLAR BEARINGS. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, KAREN, SO WITH THE UH, COLLAR BEARINGS, THE STRUCTURES, WHAT, WHAT IS THERE LIKE A, A WEIGHT LIMIT TO THESE THINGS SO THAT IF WE HAVE STORMS OR WHATEVER, THAT THEY WON'T BLOW OVER? ARE THEY ATTACHED TO THE GROUND? HOW ARE THEY CONSTRUCTED? THERE'S A STATEMENT PAD THAT'S POURED AND THEN IT WOULD BE ATTACHED TO THAT STRUCTURE. 
          I MEAN, NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER STRUCTURE. 
          THAT'S HOW THAT, SO IT'D BE LIKE FOLDED INTO THE CONCRETE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO I GUESS THE, THE WHAT I WAS REALLY FOCUSING HANGING ON ABOUT STORMS AND IT BLOWING OVER AND YOU HAVE NO . 
          I MEAN THEY'RE ENGINEERED FOR THIS REASON. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I MEAN PEOPLE HAVE 'EM ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          IF YOU GO, SOME OF THE WEBSITES, THERE'S JUST, I MEAN IT'S AMAZING WHAT WE DO WITH THEM. 
          TERRY, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT LISTED THE SIZES AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS RIGHT THERE? YEAH, SO IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE MIDDLE ONE, IT'S 10,000. 
          I'M, I'M SURE IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE PROBABLY 15 TO GET IT INSTALLED. 
          SO 15,000 COSTS, 360 NICHES. 
          AND YOU SAID THERE'S TWO THAT GO IN EACH NICHE, BUT A NICHE WOULD BE SOLD FOR AROUND A THOUSAND DOLLARS BASED WHATEVER Y'ALL, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? THE APPROVAL TO MOVE THE FUNDS? I ASKED JUST, JUST GIVE US DIRECTION AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THE BOARD. 
          ANYBODY OPPOSED TO THIS? OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CARRIE? HAVE SEAT. 
          HELLO AGAIN. 
          HELLO. 
          HIT THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO SHOTS BOTTOM, UM, WE IMPLEMENTED OUR PROGRAM IN MARCH OF 2024 AND DURING THAT TIMEFRAME WE'VE SEEN A DECREASE IN THE NUMBER OF ACTUAL SHOT SPOTTER, UH, ACTIVATIONS YEAR TO YEAR LAST YEAR WE'VE SEEN A DECREASE OF 7.8% OF THE NUMBER OF VIOLENT CRIMES THAT HAVE OCCURRED WITHIN THE SHOT SPOTTER FOOTPRINT. 
          UM, EVEN MORE, UH, HELPFUL AND PRODUCTIVE IS WE'VE SEEN A 28.5% DECREASE IN THE NUMBER OF DEATHS AND INJURIES AS A RESULT OF GUNFIRE INCIDENCES WITHIN THE, UM, FOOTPRINT. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THESE TWO SLIDES MAY LOOK SIMILAR, UM, BUT THEY ARE IN FACT DIFFERENT. 
          SO THE, THE SLIDE ON THE FAR SIDE IS 24 25. 
          UM, THERE'S QUITE A NUMBER OF ACTIVATIONS IN THE UM, IN THE FIRST YEAR. 
          THE SECOND YEAR. 
          UM, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SAID SHOT SPOTTER HAS ELIMINATED OUR PROBLEMS. IT HAS NOT, VIOLENCE IS STILL PART OF THE GANG CULTURE. 
          HOWEVER, WHAT WE CAN SAY IS BECAUSE WE HAVE SHOTS FIRED BECAUSE IT HAS A 99.98% LIABILITY, UH, I MEAN RELIABILITY, UM, AND ALSO OUR NOTIFICATION OF SHOTS FIRED IN THIS FOOTPRINT ARE RETRIEVED BY OUR OFFICERS AND JUST SLIGHTLY LESS THAN 47 SECONDS AFTER THE SHOT IS FIRED, WE ARE ABLE TO BE ON SCENE MUCH QUICKER. 
          AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE HAVE MADE 11 ARRESTS AND RECOVERED, UH, 11 FIREARMS. UM, IN SOME OF THESE CASES, IF YOU LOOK VERY CL CLOSELY, EACH ONE OF THESE IS AN ACTIVATION AND IN ONE CASE THERE WERE 33 SHOTS FIRED IN THAT ONE INCIDENT. 
          SO THE, THE NEED FOR THIS PROGRAM IS I BELIEVE SELF EVIDENT JUST SIMPLY BY LOOKING AT THAT. 
          UM, SLIDE LAST YEAR AND WE TRACKED THESE MARCH TO MARCH BECAUSE WE STARTED OUR PROGRAM IN MARCH OF 24. 
          LAST YEAR WE HAD 60 ACTIVATIONS. 
          UM, WE TRACKED 297 ROUNDS THAT WERE FIRED DOWN RANGE AND IN EACH UM, INCIDENT WE ARE AVERAGING RIGHT ABOUT 
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FIVE SHOTS FIRED PER INCIDENT. 
          UM, IT IS UM, EVERY BIT AS EVIDENT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THAT WE CONTINUE THE SHOTSPOTTER PROGRAM MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, JUST LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE IMPLEMENTED IN 2024. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARD. 
          AND CHIEF, I KNOW IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY OUT OF THE 11 ARREST HOW MANY YOU WOULD'VE MADE WITHOUT SHOT SPOTTER, BUT IT'S PROBABLY SAFE TO SAY THAT SHOT SPOTTER CERTAINLY HELPED MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT THOSE 11. 
          IS THAT FAIR? YES. 
          AND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TRACK, AND I CAN SAY UH, THAT IN 75% OF ALL THE SHOTS FIRED DURING THE 2025 TO 26 TIMEFRAME, WE DID NOT RECEIVE A CORRESPONDING CALL OF SERVICE FROM THE CITIZENS. 
          SO HAD WE NOT HAD SHOTS SPOTTER, THOSE 75% WE WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT WOULD NOT HAVE RESPONDED TO HER AND LIKELY WOULD NOT HAVE RESULTED IN A POSITIVE, UH, ARREST SEIZURE OUTCOME. 
          OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS? CODE WORKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AFTERNOON. 
          UM, WE GO THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY ACTIVE IN OUR PROJECTS. 
          UM, FIRST ONE, UM, THERE'S A MOTION OF THE  ENABLED ONE, THIS IS ON HANCOCK STREET, SO THERE'S TWO THERE THAT WE'VE WORKING ON. 
          WE FINISHED UP TO SECTION PLACEMENT AND SOME NEW. 
          SO THE IS AN EFFECTIVE METHOD WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO TEAR EXISTING PIPE BY THE GROUND AND TEAR STREET STRUCTURES PERFECT AND IT'S COST EFFECTIVE, UM, TO, TO UTILIZE THAT ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN WHERE WE HAVE PIPE. 
          AND SO WE ARE WORKING FOR SCHEDULING THE SECOND BLOCK OF COURSE ON HANCOCK, OTHER PEOPLE'S INTEREST. 
          SO TRY TO WORK OUT OUR SCHEDULING WITH REQUIREMENTS TO FINISH THAT UP. 
          THE NEXT PROJECT, THIS IS THE EACH ROOM'S BACK BACK PROGRAM. 
          THIS IS ALSO AN A ANGLE PROJECT, WARD FIVE. 
          AND WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS IS FOR THE EAST ROSES LIFT STATION IS LOCATED AND THE OUTFALL CULVER THAT GO TO THE HEADQUARTERS . 
          WHAT THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO DO WITH THE GATES ESPECIALLY IS WHEN WE HAVE HIGH WIND, HIGH WIND WHICH PUSHES WATER IN FROM THE RIVER UP CREEK, JACKSON CREEK AND, AND TRIES TO COME BACK INTO TOWN. 
          WE'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO A POINT HAVE THOSE GATE SHUT AND KEEP FROM COMING BACK INTO TOWN. 
          ALSO PROJECT ROAD GOING INTO THE CEMETERY, YOU KNOW, ALONG THESE ROAD THAT WE'RE GONNA TO RAISE THAT WHICH WILL ALSO GIVE US A LITTLE MORE, UH, ELEVATION ABOVE THAT WATER ROAD. 
          AND SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE, THEY'RE IN THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN PART GATES ITSELF AND WE'RE EXPECTING TO SEE THOSE UPCOMING WEEKS. 
          SO WE WOULD HOPE TO HAVE THIS OUT TO BE FALL WINTER. 
          ALRIGHT, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, WORKING ON A, THE DUFFY FIELD CANAL RESTORATION MASTER PLAN. 
          SO THIS IS A GRANT RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITIES PROGRAM, WHICH IS ADMINISTERED BY, THEY HAVE STARTED PUBLIC. 
          WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING ON THE 18TH ON THE 26TH LAST MONTH. 
          WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER ONE WOULD LIKE CALLED THE 18TH OF AUGUST AND IT'S FROM ONE 4:00 PM ALSO, IF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE CITY WEBSITE, THERE IS A LINK TO THE RESTORATION PLAN, INPUT OR FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THE PUBLIC CAN GO IN AND DO A SURVEY. 
          IT LETS THEM GO IN AND GIVE IDEAS OF WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE, WHAT THEY'VE SEEN IN THEIR COMMUNITY, AND IT'LL BE INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN. 
          SO THE PLAN WILL BE TO LOOK AT THE DUCK FIELD NOW, WHICH BASICALLY RUNS FROM HENDERSON PARK TO EAST ROADS TO  ROAD DRIVE THAT SECTION 
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ABOUT 4,000 PEOPLE AND THEY'LL LOOK AT HOW WE CAN, UM, REPAIR DAY, DAY EROSION BANK, BANK STABILITY AND IMPROVE WORK QUALITY. 
          THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION. 
          THIS FIRST PART, THE GRANT, THIS IS JUST THE . 
          NEXT ITEM FIRST, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THAT? UM, ALL THAT WATER HAS GOT THROUGH ASSEMBLY STREET PUMP SYSTEM PRETTY MUCH, RIGHT? NO. 
          UM, PICKING CAN CROSS RIGHT OVER THERE, EAST ROAD CULVER AND GO OUT TO . 
          WELL, BUT THAT PART WAS ALL DELINEATED OUT WITH A RAILROAD TO SEGREGATE OUT THAT PARTICULAR BASIN WATER THAT WAS GOING BE THE EXTENSION COMPANY SYSTEM. 
          SO IS THE PART YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING BUT THAT IT'S THE WATER COMES FROM EAST ROSE STATION IS WHEN WE CAN ACTIVATE THOSE PUMPS AND IT CAN GO AROUND TO THE UM, JACKSON CREEK WEAPONS. 
          SO THAT'S IN THAT WATER DOES GO THAT DIRECTION, BUT, WELL THIS IS JUST THE, THE, THE SECTION OF CANAL FROM HENDERSON PARK TO THE EAST ROAD POND. 
          SO THAT AS I PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD A HURRICANE AND WE HAD TO GET, WE DID SOME EMERGENCY PUMPING WHERE WE WENT AND GOT PUMPS FROM STEWART MILLERS, UM, I THINK, UH, TRAILER CONSTRUCTION ACTUALLY. 
          UH, WE HAD TO GET PERMIT GO ACROSS THE RAILROAD AND YOU, WE WE TRAVERSE THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY TO GET THAT WORD PUMPED OUT THROUGH THAT, THAT SYSTEM. 
          YES, SIR. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, BECAUSE ANYBODY ASK A QUESTION OVER THERE IS, IS HOLISTICALLY OUT A QUESTION ABOUT THE WHOLE AREA BACK THERE, BARBARA, YOU, YOU AND I WALKED IT. 
          UM, SO IF THE WATER HAD EVERGREEN ON THAT PUMPING SYSTEM IS PUMPING DOWN THAT DITCH TO THE TRESTLE, TO THE SIMMONS STREET PUMP, UM, IF IT'S NOT TURNED ON AND CONCERTED EFFORT WITH THE OTHER PUMPING COMING FROM THE REST, LIKE HAZEL AVENUE, THAT AREA, THAT WATER, UM, AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF I, I I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A CIRCLING EFFECT OF IT. 
          IT, ARE WE ON TOP ALL THAT? WE, WE'VE ACTUALLY, WHEN WE DID THE, UM, THE DUFFY FIELD COMMUNITY RESTORATION WITH THE NEW, THE NEW POND AND THE NEW FOREST MAIN SYSTEM, THAT ROAD ALONG EAST ROADS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME TELEMETRY BUILT INTO THAT. 
          AND WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHEN THE PUMP'S ACTIVATED AND WE HAVE FLOOD, WELL NOW THAT ARE LIVE TO US, SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE WE ARE WHEN THE PUMPS ARE ON AND WE'RE HOPING TO INPUT SOME, SOME TYPE OF VACCINATION IN THE GATES TOO. 
          SO WE CAN LOOK AT, CAN WE REMOTELY SHUT THE GATES? CAN WE OPEN THE GATES REMOTELY OR POSSIBLY EVEN HAVE 'EM HOOKED TO A FLOODGATES THAT THEY SELF OPERATE AT SOMETHING. 
          YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE CHECK VALVE GATES THAT SIR? NO SIR. 
          YEAH, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING THAT DIRECTION. 
          WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T CHECKED THEM LATELY, BUT LAST TIME I CHECKED INGS ON WERE PERMITTING ORDER BACK INTO THE DUFF FIELD AREA. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A VERY DIFFICULT, AND THAT'S ONE REASON WE, THIS PROJECT IS TO PUT IT GATE SYSTEM. 
          I MEAN, I DUNNO WHY YOU DON'T JUST PERMANENTLY PUT SOME TYPE OF A BARRIER THERE, BUT IF I WERE LIVING IN THE AREA, MY QUESTION WOULD BE THE FLOATS THEMSELVES ON THE PUMPS AND TO THE DEPTH OF INVERT OF HOW MUCH PUMPING IS THERE. 
          IT HAPPEN AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LIMIT TO WHAT LEGALLY, ENVIRONMENTALLY WE COULD, SHOULD BE PUMPING, BUT I'M STILL NOT SURE THAT WE MIGHT BE PUMPING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WE ARE. 
          UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TIMES A YEAR WHEN, PARTICULARLY THIS TIME OF THE YEAR WHEN YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE STANDING WATER IN DITCHES, THERE IS SOME, AND THAT COULD BE THE GRADE OF THE DITCHES THEMSELVES AND THE NEED TO GO BACK IN AND REFINE THAT. 
          OR IT COULD BE THE FACT THAT PUMPS COULD BE PUMPED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN NOT. 
          AND, AND WE LOOKED AT EXACTLY TO YOUR POINT THAT, UM, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THESE PROJECTS, BUT, BUT WAYS THAT WE ACTUALLY DO SUPPLEMENTAL PUMPING. 
          WE'RE IN A SITUATION DRAW DOWN OR DECREASE THE BODY WATER THAT'S AREA. 
          SO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, IF THAT'S A VIABLE OPTION FOR US AND WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT. 
          SO WE'VE GOT TWO PROJECTS, GOLDEN LEAF, 
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UM, THIS IS A $250,000 PROJECT FOR THE ELIZABETH AVENUE  REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, WE RECEIVED A GOLDEN LEAF GRANT FOR THIS ONE AND THE ROAD LIFT STATION IMPROVEMENTS TO ACTUALLY LOWER THAT LIFT STATION DOWN THE FLOOR. 
          WE HAD THOSE DESIGNED PUT ABOUT BID, BOTH OF THEM CAME IN WELL EXCESS, THE UM, E WAS ABOUT TWO TIMES WHAT THE GRAND WAS AND THE EAST ROSE WAS THREE TIMES. 
          WOULDN'T YOU WANT ALL THE THINGS TO BE PUMP AT THE SAME ELEVATION? I MEAN THE CONTRARY RECEIVING HOW HIGH THE WATER IS IN THE RECEIVING AREA. 
          SO I MEAN, BECAUSE WATER'S GOING FIND THE SLOWEST LEVEL AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULDN'T HAVE 'EM OFF WATER TABLE WISE COMING AT THE SAME LEVEL. 
          BUT, UH, I DO UNDERSTAND YOU. 
          UM, BUT, SO THESE TWO PROJECTS BOTH WILL BID. 
          THEY CAME IN OVER THE GRANT FUNDING. 
          SO WE HAVE GONE BACK TO GOLDEN LEAF AND REQUESTED COMBINING THESE TWO PROJECTS. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA REQUESTED TAKING THESE ROADS, UH, GOLDEN GRANT AND MOVING IT TO THE, UM, TO THE ELIZABETH AVENUE BECAUSE THE, AS AS WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE CULVERS AT THE EAST ROSE ROAD STATION, THAT IS STEP ONE OF THAT PROJECT STATION ITSELF. 
          THAT NOT MEAN WE DO NOT HAVE THESE PLANS AVAILABLE NOW FOR FIRST DESTINATION. 
          SHE DID AGAIN, UM, WE SECURE FUNDING. 
          SO OUR REQUEST IS INTO, UM,  AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS AND THEY HAVE, UM, THIS, THIS MOVE. 
          AND SO WE PREPAR TO AVENUE AND THAT IS A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE AN UNDERSIZED CAPACITY ISSUE ON ELIZABETH AVENUE AND WE'LL TAKE THAT STREET KITCHEN HERE. 
          THIS IS A MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT, UH, FUNDING PROJECT. 
          SO BID ARE ACTUALLY DUE TODAY. 
          AND THERE'S A SKETCH ON THE NEXT SHEET RIGHT HERE OF WHAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED. 
          UM, WE'LL EVALUATE THE ON TODAY AND SELECT THE, THE APPROPRIATE, UH, QUALIFIED BID AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AS FAST WE CAN IN THAT INSTRUCTION INSTRUCTION ONCE YOU'RE ON SITE, NOT THE, SO WE'RE A FOUR WEEK PERIOD START FINISH, BUT WE'LL SEE, UM, SEE HOW BIDS COME IN THIS AFTERNOON. 
          THE INNER CORE PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS, AND THIS IS ANOTHER MT PROJECT. 
          SO WE HAVE, UH, OUR CONSULTANTS, UH, WORKING ON CONCEPTS RIGHT NOW AND, UH, THEY HAVE INTEGRATED OR WORKING TO PROVIDE US WITH A CONCEPT UTILIZING A LARGER STORAGE AREA FOR THE, UH, DUMPSTER CONTAINERS, ACTUALLY USING A COMPACTOR STYLE. 
          SO IT'LL FACILITATE, UM, CORE VOLUME, LESS  TO PICK IT UP. 
          UM, IT WILL ALSO ALLOW US TO ALIGN A WALKWAY FROM CRAVEN AS YOU LOOK THROUGH THE PLAZA ON MIDDLE. 
          SO THAT'LL BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS. 
          IT'LL, UH, BE RESURFACING THE PARKING LOT AREA AND ADDING SOME BRICK WALKWAY FEATURES BETWEEN THE EXISTING PARKING THROUGH THE PLANNED AREA TO BEAR PLAZA. 
          WE'VE ALSO, UM, IN ADDITION TO THIS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THE STRUCTURAL REQUIREMENTS THAT TO REMOVE THE VEGETATED PLANTED CIRCLE THAT IS EXISTING IN BEAR PRODUCTS. 
          SO THIS IS CLOSER TO THE  SIDE. 
          SO LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE. 
          ON REFER TO HYPOTHETICALLY, WHAT WOULD YOU BE, YOUR HYPOTHETICAL HOW THAT SITUATION TWO YEARS FROM NOW WOULD BE HANDLED WITH YOUR CONCEPTUAL IDEA OF MANAGEMENT OF M MS D FUNDING? WELL, IT WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN 10 YEARS TO GET TO THE BOARD TO APPROVE THIS FOR ONE. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT, WHY THAT THIS, I MEAN, 10 YEARS AGO THEY SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, OR WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, RIGHT? THEN IT WOULD COME TO THIS BOARD AND SAY, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO DO THIS PROJECT. 
          LET'S ALLOCATE SOME FUNDS AND GO THROUGH THIS. 
          HOW WOULD THAT BE EXPEDITED FROM THE 10 YEARS TO EQUIPMENT COUNTY? FROM CITY RESOURCES OR WHAT? WELL, I I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. 
          WELL, I'M NOT, WELL THAT'S, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING YOUR, WHERE YOU WANT TO GO WITH MSD IS WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. 
          I MEAN, I'M SAYING INNER CORE, 
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I, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. MAYOR WAS A PROBLEM FOR, OR A DISCUSSION FOR AT LEAST A DECADE ABOUT WHAT TO DO IN THAT AREA. 
          AND IT WASN'T UNTIL EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT THE BOARD OF DERMAN FINALLY GOT A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE MSD ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO PUT TOGETHER TO ALLOCATE MONEY TOWARDS A PLAN FOR THE INNER CORE. 
          AND THAT'S A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THE TWO YEARS THAT THAT COMMITTEE MET. 
          THEY TALKED ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT DESIGN ASPECTS THAT, I MEAN, THEY WENT OVER THE, OVER THAT TWO YEAR TIME PERIOD, THAT ADVISORY GROUP WENT BACK AND STUDIED 10 YEARS OF DISCUSSION AND HAD PEOPLE, ARCHITECTS COME IN, ENGINEERS COME IN AND TALK ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLANS. 
          AND THEN THEY STARTED CRITIQUING ALL THESE PLANS FOR, I MEAN, THEY HAD A TRASH COMMITTEE, TRASH COMPACTOR, ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE NOT INCORPORATED IN THIS PLAN BECAUSE THAT WAS OUTSIDE THEIR SCOPE. 
          SO THEY REALLY SPUN THEIR WHEELS ON THE DESIGN ELEMENT. 
          I MEAN, GEORGE WAS AT ALMOST ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS. 
          I MEAN, TO, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK PART OF THE TRIAGE OF THAT WAS THAT, UM, AT ANY GIVEN SEASON OF M MSS D THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF MONEY AND THEY DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF MONEY. 
          AND SO WHAT OUR PROJECTS ARE, I THINK IN THE PAST, WELL THEIR PROJECTS, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ITSELF IS ONLY AN IDEA GENERATING GROUP. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE WANT THIS PROJECT. 
          AND SO THEN IT'S INCUMBENT ON CITY STAFF TO DESIGN THAT PROJECT LIKE WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, SO WOULD MSD REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR CITY SPUN RESOURCES OF DOING THE DESIGN? THE MSD IS A TAXING DISTRICT, RIGHT? THAT THE CITY LEVIES AND COLLECTS MONEY JUST LIKE WE DO WITH PROPERTY TAX, RIGHT? THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THEMSELVES HAVE NO AUTHORITY EVER SPENDING ANY MONEY. 
          IT'S THEIR MONEY THOUGH. 
          BUT ANYWAY, I WON'T BELABOR IT. 
          I JUST, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. 
          IT'S LIKE MSD ASKED US TO GO BY THE TABLET SLOT. 
          IS IS, WELL I'LL OUTLAW FOR THE, I MEAN FOR THE TWO TERMS, YOU WERE AWARD SIX ALDERMAN AND THE TWO TERMS YOU WERE MAYOR, THERE WAS NEVER AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          WELL, JUST BY THAT EXAMPLE THERE, THERE'S CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WERE, WERE, WERE RUNNING, RUNNING, WE'RE MAKING ALL THOSE DECISIONS THAT SEEM TO WORK FLOW PRETTY GOOD. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I JUST WANTED TO, GEORGE, YOU SAID THAT THE CONTAINER WOULD BE FOR THE TRASH WOULD BE LARGE ENOUGH LIKE COMPACTOR SIZE, WE'RE NOT, ARE WE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT PUTTING A COMPACTOR THERE OR IS IT LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMO OR SHOULD WE GET THE UTILITIES IN PLACE? WHAT WE'RE DOING IS LOOKING AT AN OPTION, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE LIMITED RIGHT NOW IN ROOM TO REALLY ADD EXISTING CONTAINERS. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT EXPANDING NEEDS DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, RESTAURANTS ARE CONSTANTLY UPGRADING THEIR FACILITIES, HAVING MORE SEATS. 
          THEY'RE GENERATING MORE TURNOVER ON THE TABLES OR, YOU KNOW, UTILIZING THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS OF BUILDING. 
          SO TO, TO GO THROUGH THIS, THIS EXERCISE AND EXPENSE, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL VOLUME WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY THE COMPACTOR SYSTEM IS, IS SOMETHING THAT I FULLY THINK THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT. 
          SO WE DON'T END UP THREE YEARS FROM NOW, THREE WE'RE AT A CAPACITY ISSUE. 
          WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT IT IN PACKET AND GFL, JUST LIKE WITH THE DUMPSTERS THAT ARE THERE NOW GFL IS BILLING PROPERTY OWNERS FOR PUTTING PORTION YES, THE ONE. 
          AND SO WE DID A COMPACT SAME SITUATION. 
          VERY, AND THIS IS NOT, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT THE DESIGN CONCEPTS THAT WE'VE SEEN BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS THE DISCUSSION BEFORE. 
          THIS IS WHAT'S THERE NOW, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME CONCEPTS IN  TO SHARE, UM, OF WHERE WE'RE WITH YOU. 
          WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON THAT? UH, WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO BID OUT FROM, FROM THE END OF THIS YEAR, THE END OF THIS YEAR. 
          THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD'VE WHAT ABOUT THE TIMELINE FOR THE ACTUAL, I MEAN FOR CONCEPTS FOR US TO LOOK AT OR, UH, WE SHOULD HAVE ONE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. 
          UM, FOR, FOR COMPACT LAYOUT, WE'RE HAVING TO DO VEHICLE TURNING MOTIONS TO SEE WHAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE, WHAT THAT DOES IMPACTING, UH, UTILIZATION OF PARKING IN THE, IN THE AREA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M SURE Y'ALL AWARE WE'RE WORKING ON THE CROSSWALKS DOWNTOWN. 
          WE HAVE ONE GOING ON IN FRONT OF CITY HALL RIGHT NOW. 
          THE PICTURES I SAW AT LUNCHTIME WAS THEY SHOULD HAVE THREE LEGS AT LEAST. 
          THEY WERE PLACED AT LUNCHTIME DONE WITH BRICK. 
          SO I'M IMAGINING FULL LEG WILL BE DONE. 
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RESOURCES REDO TWO OF THE CASTINGS MAN HOLES IN THE CENTER OF THE INTERSECTION TODAY. 
          SO THAT'LL MAKE IT A SMOOTHER TRANSITION. 
          THAT RESURFACE. 
          WE HAVE THE, UH, INTERSECTION MAKING BACK UP TRAFFIC AND AFTER THESE ARE DONE, AFTER THE, UM, ONE FRONT CITY HALL IS DONE, WE NOT BE DOING THE NEXT ONE FOR ANOTHER COUPLE OF MONTHS RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'RE GONNA AT LEAST DELAY UNTIL AFTER JULY 4TH. 
          AND WE'LL LOOK AT THAT WINDOW OF CAN WE ACCOMMODATE IN BETWEEN, UM, JULY 4TH, ANY ALREADY SCHEDULING EVENTS AND WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR? I MEAN, IDEALLY FOR COMPLETION OF ALL THE CROSSWALKS, WE HAD THREE CONTRACTORS FOR THIS YEAR AND WE'RE PLANNING TO DO THREE AT A TIME. 
          SOME ARE MORE, UM, COMPLEX AND DIFFICULT. 
          SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THREE'S ABOUT ALL WE CAN DO WITH CURRENT USE OF DOWNTOWN STREETS AND FESTIVALS AND EVENTS. 
          YOU KNOW, THE WINDOW'S VERY LIMITED. 
          IT'S REGARDLESS OF THE SEASON WE DO, IT'S IMPACTFUL AND SO WE TRY TO PICK TIMES THAT WE CAN GET IN THERE AND HAVE THE FEWEST PEOPLE COMPLAIN. 
          BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S STILL WORKING IN THE ROADWAY. 
          UM, THANK YOU AND I APPRECIATE WHOEVER ORDERED THE SIGNS AND GIANT BANNERS THAT SAY BUSINESSES ARE OPEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL PUT THAT ON. 
          UM, UH, THE NEXT PROJECT, SORRY. 
          WE CURRENTLY HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, THE KINGS GROVE CREEK AREA. 
          WE HAVE A CONTRACT PUT OUT FOR BIDDING AND WE'VE HAD RECEIVED S THE CONTRACT RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN RECEIVED BACK TO THE DOCUMENTS. 
          WE'LL SEND THE HANDS FOR FINE PROSECUTION. 
          WE HAVE HAD A CONSTRUCTION MEETING WITH THIS, UH, PAYMENT AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING STARTING JULY. 
          THAT IS PLAYED THROUGH THE FY 25 26 SERVICE, THE CITY HALL TOWER. 
          UM, WE HAVE GOT DALE  COMPANY WHO DID THE ORIGINAL REPAIRS ON THE, FROM . 
          THEY HAVE ORDERED THE PARTS TO REPAIR PLOT AND AS SOON AS THEY HAVE IT, THEY RESCHEDULE COME DOWN AND DO THE INSTALL OF THAT GEAR. 
          UM, AND THE SMALL PARTS, WE'RE LOOKING FOUR WEEKS WINDOW ANTICIPATING GRANTED THIS PART THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING OVERSEAS AS WELL AND HAS TO BE SO KIND OF RIGHT WITH THAT UNTIL DIFFERENT, EVEN THE BULK PART COST FOR THAT REPAIR WITH THEIR REPAIRS AND GOING DOWN AND ORDERING THE PARTS SOMEWHERE ABOUT THOUSAND, HOW MUCH? 9,000 AND THAT WAS AN ESTIMATE. 
          ALRIGHT, UM, ALSO COMING UP WE HAVE, UH, SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT INCLUDED THIS UPCOMING BUDGET. 
          UM, OUR SYSTEMATIC REPLACEMENT OF OUR HVC UNITS. 
          SO WE HAVE OVER 2 75 UNITS WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE MAINTAIN AND WE REPLACE A MINIMUM OF 13 A YEAR. 
          SOME ARE NORMAL SIZE UNITS, UM, SOME ARE LARGER THAT HAVE A MANUFACTURED, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY HIT THAT 20 YEAR WINDOW THEY USED, WE'VE HAD SOME TRANSITIONAL THINGS WITH THE EFFICIENCY AND REFRIGERATOR REQUIREMENTS. 
          THE, SO WE CAN'T TAKE SEPARATE PARTS FROM SEPARATE, YOU SEPARATE UNITS TRY TO MAKE ONE WORK NOW. 
          SO WE RUN INTO ADDITIONAL LEAD TIME TO GET THOSE DONE, BUT WE'RE STILL ON SCHEDULE TO CONTINUE THAT PROCESS. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THE CITY HALL, UM, PROOF REPLACEMENT AND SO THAT'LL BE SIMILAR, UH, ROOF REPLACEMENT TO WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON. 
          AND THAT IS A SIMULATED SLATE FIREARM PANEL, POLICE DEPARTMENT FIRE THAT ARE NOW OUTDATED AND THE UPGRADING AND ELEVATOR DOOR POLICE HEADQUARTERS FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          WE HAVE ANOTHER HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR SIDEWALK INSTALLATION FOR GAPS IN FIELDS. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE SOME ROADWAY, UH, FUNDING FOR THE CONTROL CABINETS HAVE STRUCTURAL SUPPORTS FOR OUR TRAFFIC SIGNALS. 
          UH, PUBLIC WORKS MAINTAINS 19 TRAFFIC SIGNALS FOR INTERSECTIONS IN THE CITY. 
          AND ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOKING AT IS THE 
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AND BROAD INTERSECTION TO UPGRADE THAT CABINET TO ACCOMMODATE CONTROLS. 
          HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE. 
           STORM WATER, SO WE'VE GOT SOME INFRASTRUCTURE REPAIRS ON THERE AND THAT IS FOR SOME ADDITIONAL SNOW LINING THAT WE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THROUGH OUR PRIOR YEAR. 
          A I A, UH, GRANT, WHICH IDENTIFIED THE BUNCH OUR PIPE SYSTEMS AND SO WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE LINING TO FACILITATE SOME. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSION? UH, YES. 
          UM, GOOD AFTERNOON NOW, UM,  IN, IN REGARDS TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. 
          MOST OF YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE GOT, WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW, UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO IN CONSIDERATION OF THAT, WE ARE GONNA HAVE BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE, UM, UH, WE'VE SCHEDULED SOME SMALL GROUP MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN GO OVER SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AS WELL AS RULES AND PROCEDURES, UH, BEST PRACTICES AND, UH, LOOK AT SOME OF THE CURRENT GOALS AND PRIORITIES. 
          AND WITH THAT IN CONSIDERATION SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY CONSIDERING. 
          UH, A LOT OF THE BOARD IS CONSIDERED THIS AVENUES PROJECT, WHICH IS SORT OF NEW TO SOME OF THE MEMBERS BECAUSE IT WAS JUST GETTING STARTED WITH THE PREVIOUS, UH, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, UH, BUT HAD NOT BEEN PRESENTED TO THE BOARD. 
          UH, THAT'S GOING TO INCORPORATE BASICALLY A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES THAT THE BOARD ALREADY OWNS OVER ON THE FIRST AVENUE. 
          AND ALSO, UH, THE CONSIDERATION OF PURCHASING SOME ADDITIONAL PROJECTS TO, TO BASICALLY DEVELOP AN AREA THAT'S GONNA BE JUST A, A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. 
          THEY CAN INCORPORATE A WHOLE, UH, HOUSING PLAN IN THAT, IN THAT ONE PARTICULAR AREA. 
          AND THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT OUR NEXT MEETING AS WELL AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE OVERLAY FOR THE, UM, THE OVERLAY FOR THE, UM, REDEVELOPMENT AREA THAT DOES NOT ALLOW RIGHT NOW FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES. 
          UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME CONSIDERATION OF MAYBE ALLOWING FOR THAT IN THAT AREA TO, TO TRY TO HELP WITH SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          AND THEY'RE GONNA, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING TO HAVE SOME DEMONSTRATIONS AND SOME, UH, DISCUSSIONS ON THAT COMING UP AS WELL AS, UH, INCREASING THE MARKET FOR PROPERTY SALES. 
          THEY, THEY, THE BOARD IS LOOKING AT, UH, PUTTING SOME BETTER SIGNAGE UP, UH, SO THAT, UH, THEY KNOW THAT THE AVAILABLE PROPERTIES ARE MORE VISIBLE, UH, VISIBLE UTILIZING SOME TYPE OF MARKETING, UH, FOR, FOR THAT, UH, COMING UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          AND THE LAST THING, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECTS TO ENHANCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AGAIN, UH, IN THE PAST THERE'S BEEN, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CLEAN UP WITH THE ASSISTANCE WITH THE CITY AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO, UH, REQUEST THAT TO TRY TO HELP ENHANCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. 
          GOING AFTER ANSWERING QUESTIONS. 
          CAN YOU, UH, YOU AND THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT ATTENDS THOSE COMMISSION MEETINGS AS WELL AS THE LIAISONS OR EX OFFICIATE, TO THE EXTENT THEY GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY SAID, WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MODULAR OR MANUFACTURE OR BOTH. 
          CAN, CAN WE, I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHORT CIRCUIT IT, THAT IF THE COMMISSION WANTS THAT, THAT WE GO AHEAD AND WORK ON A DRAFT ORDINANCE, GOES TO PLANNING AND THEN, AND IF UNLESS SOMEONE AT THIS BOARD HAD, IS DELY OPPOSED TO CHANGING THAT OVERLAY WITH MANUFACTURED MODULAR HOMES? WELL CURRENTLY THEY CAN, LEAH CAN HAVE MODULAR HOMES, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. 
          MODULAR HOMES ARE PERMITTED, UM, MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE THE QUESTION. 
          AND I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE WAIVING TO HAVE SOME CONSENSUS FROM THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE UNDERTAKE THAT PREPARATION PROCESS. 
          BUT CERTAINLY ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO EXPEDITE THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE WE'LL ACTIVATE AND, AND TO THE EXTENT THEY HAVE, I MEAN THEY'RE PART OF THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN INCLUDES THE NEIGHBORHOOD APPEARANCE AND SO IF THEY HAVE CERTAIN DESIGN STANDARDS, BRICK FOUNDATION, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT BOARD SHOULD PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT, NOT SAY, YEAH, WE WANT TO DO IT. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES US TWO, THREE MEETINGS TO GET THAT TOGETHER, HAVE THEM DO IT AND THEN COME BEFORE US. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND AS, AS FAR AS THE ENHANCEMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD APPEARANCE, UM, I'M ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSSED A STRATEGIC ENFORCEMENT OF OUR MINIMUM HOUSING ALONG THE CORRIDOR OF THE AVENUES AREA. 
          AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES NEEDS OR DIRECTION FOR THAT OR IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE STRATEGIC ENFORCEMENT TO HELP WITH THAT ADHERENCE. 
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IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IT CERTAINLY HELPS TO HAVE DIRECTION WHEN I SEND A STAFF PERSON OUT THERE AND THE FIRST THING SOMEBODY SAYS IS, WHY ARE YOU PICKING UP ME? I MEAN, IT'S THIS BOARD WHERE WE SAT WITH  COMMISSION, PART OF WHAT THEY SAID WAS WE, WE WANTED TO LOOK NICE. 
          AND PART OF THAT IS MINIMUM HOUSING. 
          AND SO USE, THAT'S A TOOL THE CITY CAN USE TO HELP TO THE APPEARANCE OF AT LEAST THE ENTRYWAYS OF THOSE AVENUES OF FIRST AND THIRD. 
          THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I HAVE IS THAT, UM, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER STEWART WAS TALKING ABOUT WE'RE GONNA ENFORCE THESE HOUSING STANDARDS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO, THEY'RE GONNA BE DISPLACED BECAUSE THE STANDARDS ARE SO POOR. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DO WE REALLY WANT TO WAIT FOR THEM TO BUILD POTENTIAL HOME? I MEAN, THE MARKET IS WHAT IT IS. 
          THEY CAN, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO BUILD TWO, THREE MODULAR HOMES. 
          DO WE WANT TO WEIGH ON THAT TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO STRATEGICALLY FOCUS ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS? I'M NOT SURE YOU SAID YES. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IF IT'S, THE MAJORITY ARE RENTAL PROPERTIES, SO THE ENFORCEMENT IS GOING COME FROM THE CITY TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE NECESSARILY TELLING PEOPLE YOU GOT 30 DAYS TO GET THIS FIXED OR GET KICKED OUT. 
          BUT IT'S GIVEN THE PROPERTY OWNER NOTICE THAT THEIR STANDARD, WHEN YOU'RE NOT MEETING THEM, I, I, I DUNNO WHAT THE HARM IN THAT COULD BE. 
          TO ME IT'S THE CITY CRACKING DOWN ON LUM BOARDS. 
          THAT WOULD BE, I MEAN, UNLESS ANYONE'S LY OPPOSED, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THAT DIRECTION TO STAFF. 
          WELL YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIND IT EVENLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND NOT JUST THAT ONE AREA. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL I THINK, I MEAN I THINK, WELL THIS GOES BACK TO OUR EARLIER CONVERSATION. 
          WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE GO AHEAD AND ENFORCE IT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE HAVE LIMITED STAFF RESOURCES AND SO WHAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF RIGHT NOW, IT'S ALL COMPLAINT DRIVEN. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM IS TO, HEY, STRATEGICALLY FOCUS ON THIS AREA WE'RE TRYING TO REDEVELOP THE ION SAYS WE WANT TO ENHANCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD APPEARANCE. 
          SO I THINK IT IS FINE TO GIVE THAT DIRECTION, BUT I'LL CERTAINLY DEFER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY. 
          THANK YOU MR. FERGUSON. 
          UM, I I WOULD JUST ELIMINATE THE MINIMUM HOUSING PROCESS JUST A BIT. 
          UM, THERE'S A LONG RUNWAY BETWEEN RECEIVING A COMPLAINT OR ENGAGE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND AN ORDER FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE PARTICULAR ACTION WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          IF I'M CORRECT, UM, AND MS. RUTH CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE FIRST EFFORTS BY OUR MINIMUM HOUSING OFFICERS ARE ALWAYS VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE. 
          SO THEY GO OUT, THEY ASSESS THE CIRCUMSTANCES, THEY ENGAGE THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          SOMETIMES IT TAKES TIME TO IDENTIFY AND CONTACT AN INDIVIDUAL. 
          UM, AND IF THOSE EFFORTS TO TRY TO GAIN VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE ARE FRUITFUL, THEN WE BEGIN A MORE ROBUST PROCESS OF FILING DOCUMENTS FROM THE COUNTY CLERK TO INITIATE YOUR FORMAL MENTAL COUNSELING CASE. 
          SO IF YOU ALL ARE INCLINED TO OFFER DIRECTIONS TO STAFF TO BE MORE STRATEGIC, UM, IN EMPLOYING THOSE RESOURCES, UM, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO LEAVE THIS CONVERSATION THINKING THAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE OUTSIDE. 
          WHAT, WHAT ABOUT PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AREA THAT ARE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE VACANT, THAT ARE ROOFS ARE CAVING IN, WINDOWS ARE BOARDED UP RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY UNITS THAT AREN'T HOUSES THAT ARE IN THAT CONDITION. 
          SO I KNOW AT ONE TIME THIS ATTORNEY, WE WERE, IT WAS A, IT WAS KIND OF HELD UP IN THIS WHOLE AIR AIR DISPUTE ON, NOBODY COULD FIND OUT WHO OWNS IT. 
          BUT I, I WAS TOLD, UNLESS I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT THE COUNTY HAS A NEW ATTORNEY THAT'S BEEN ON THIS AND THEY'VE EXPEDITED THEIR HALF OF IT. 
          UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES AT ALL ON THAT? YES SIR. 
          THERE IS A NEW ATTORNEY THAT'S DOING TAX FORECLOSURES FOR CRAVEN COUNTY NOW. 
          WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEM. 
          UM, THEIR DOCKET HAS BEEN PULLED, UM, AND THE DISTRICT COURT FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS WITH PROCEEDING WITH TAX FORECLOSURES. 
          AND ALSO THERE'S A PROCESS THAT WE CAN UTILIZE IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, DESPITE OUR DUE DILIGENCE, NOT ABLE TO FIND OWNERS. 
          IT'S A, A HEAVIER LEGAL PROCESS. 
          UM, BUT WE CAN GET A GUARDIAN LIT APPOINTED BY THE COURT AND BE ABLE TO SERVE YOU BY PUBLICATIONS. 
          BUT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH LITIGATION IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO IDENTIFY. 
          I WOULD LOVE HAVING DONE IT WITH THIS BOARD. 
          I DID IT WITH THE LAST BOARD. 
          I, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ALDERMAN THAT ENCOMPASSED THIS AREA FOR US TO RIDE AROUND ONE DAY WITH STAFF AND, AND PROPERTIES. 
          I THINK YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT HOW MANY ARE NOT ON OUR RADAR AND BE SURPRISED AT HOW MANY THAT ARE ON RADAR THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MOVEMENT FOR WHATEVER REASON 
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GETTING THEM RECOGNIZED. 
          I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE WAY THAT WE CAN HIGHLY IMPACT THE APPEARANCE WITHOUT AFFECTING PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO MAYOR. 
          I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT IT WAS A PLEASURE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD BALLMAN THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND THE COUNTY MANAGER AND MAYOR AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD COMMISSIONERS GET TOGETHER AND, AND LET BOTH PARTIES BODIES BE KNOWN THAT WE ARE, WE'RE VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN SPEND WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET ALL THIS STUFF. 
          UM, THE ERRORS FOUND AND WE'RE NOT ONLY A CLEAR TITLE TO 'EM, I, I DON'T ASSUME, BUT CLEAR UP A LOT OF THESE DILAPIDATED PROPERTIES, UM, AND, AND GET 'EM DEMOLISHED IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO. 
          OTHERWISE, YOU, YOU PLAN A AND PLAN B IS PLAN A A IS DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DONE. 
          NOTHING. 
          AND PLAN B IS TO MAKE A CHANGE AND GET THESE ABOR THESE PROPERTIES BACK ON THE BOOKS WITH IMPROVEMENTS ON THEM. 
          I, I WOULD LOVE FOR NOTHING MORE THAN STAFF TO COME TO THE BOARD AND SAY, WE'VE RUN OUT OF MONEY THAT WAS BUDGETED TO TEAR DOWN THEIR PROPERTIES. 
          WE NEED MORE MONEY. 
          SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MOVE FORWARD, IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY'S PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT. 
          SO YEAH. 
          AND WE DID THIS BEFORE WE WENT OUT AND ROLLED THE AREAS AND SAW ALL THESE LIGHTED HOUSES AND NOTHING GOT DONE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I, IF WE DONE TAKE UPON OURSELF THIS TIME NEEDED SEE SOME PROGRESS. 
          'CAUSE THIS HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OVER IN WARD FIVE. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THE TWO BOARDS NEED TO MEET, BUT I DO THINK MAYBE THE CHAIRMAN AND MAYOR AND THE TWO MANAGERS SHOULD MEET AND SEE IF WE CAN COORDINATE OUR EFFORTS. 
          WELL I THINK THE COUNTY'S VERY OPEN TO IT BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PROPERTIES FOR FORECLOSURE THAT THEY GAVE TO THE CITY TO GIVE THE REBUILD COMMISSION. 
          THOSE THINGS KIND OF, THOSE EFFORTS FELL FLAT. 
          SO I THINK IT WAS A WE PUSH LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THESE DEARLY PROPERTIES CONTINUE ON THAT PATH. 
          YEAH, I THINK THEY'D BE REALLY OPEN TO CONTINUE PARTNERSHIP. 
          BUT LIKE NA MAYOR SAID A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES, AIR PROPERTIES AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE UP TRYING TO GET THESE HEIRS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND OUR ATTORNEY, OUR ATTORNEY SAYS THERE'S A PROCESS. 
          SO I THINK WE GOT, I THINK WE'VE GOT TWO ISSUES. 
          WE'VE GOT PROPERTIES THAT, THAT ARE BEING CONDEMNED BECAUSE OF LIKE PAYING TAXES AND THEN THERE'S PROPERTIES THAT TAXES ARE BEING PAID ON THAT ARE IMPLODING AND WE, IN THE PAST THEY'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DEF FILE THE ERRORS AS WHERE OTHER THAN, UM, AT A CERTAIN POINT WHEN IT'S A UM, IT COULD BE A DANGER TO THE PUBLIC WELFARE, YOU CAN DEMOLISH THEM AT THAT POINT. 
          WE WOULD STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF WHETHER THE PROPERTY OWNERS DUE PROCESS BEFORE WE CAN DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE. 
          I I, I'VE SAID IT FOR YEARS. 
          YOU PUT THE VALUE OF WHATEVER THAT STRUCTURE IS IN A BOND, LEAVING THE MONEY THERE, YOU TEAR IT DOWN AND YOU FIND OUT WHO THE OWNER IS AFTER THE FACT AND THEN YOU GOT THE MONEY SITTING THERE. 
          THAT'S ONE WAY TO FIND OUT TEAR DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MOTION THE DIRECTION. 
          I THINK WE'RE GOOD. 
          I'M READY. 
          WATER RESOURCES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO MOST OF OUR DAILY EFFORTS GO TOWARDS, UH, WATER PRODUCTION TREATMENT AND THE DAILY NEEDS OF THE OPERATIONS COLLECTION DISTRIBUTION. 
          BUT I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT A FEW PROJECTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE UNDERWAY AND A COUPLE THAT ARE COMING UP FISCAL YEAR. 
          OUR FFY 26 IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. 
          UH, THIS IS A COMPLETE REHABED SEW ASSISTANCE IN THE AREA THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. 
          CONTRACTOR HAS ALL INFRASTRUCTURE INSTALLED. 
          THE SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, WE HAVE THAT PROJECT WRAPPED UP THE NEXT 25 TO 60 DAYS. 
          UH, OUR FY 27 WATER AND SEWER GROUP. 
          THIS PROJECT, UH, IS ACTUALLY PROJECTS GONNA TAKE PLACE RIGHT BEHIND US HERE IN THE, ONE OF THE, UH, OLDEST SECTIONS OF THE GRASS CREEK PARK. 
          THIS IS QUEEN ANN LANE FOR COTTON DRIVE DE AVENUE AREA. 
          WE'RE CURRENTLY FINISHING UP THE DESIGN AND INSPECTS FOR THAT PROJECT. 
          HOPE HAVE IT OUT FOR BID IN THE JULY AUGUST WINDOW. 
          ANTICIPATED GETTING THE CONTRACTOR HERE AND START CONSTRUCTION EARLY FALL OF NEXT YEAR, I'M SORRY, THIS YEAR. 
          UH, THEN WE HAVE OUR DOT WORD RELOCATION PROJECTS FOR HIGHWAY 70, HIGHWAY 43. 
          UH, THE FIRST PHASE OF HIGHWAY SEVEN IS COMPLETE ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN SERVICE. 
          THEY'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS ON THE SECOND PHASE, ABOUT A THIRD THE 
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WAY THROUGH WITH NEW, UH, SEWER FORCE MAIN RELOCATION ON THE EXTREME EASTERN OF THE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN ON THE HIGHWAY 43 PROJECT, THEY'VE GOT, UH, THEY'VE STARTED BOTH THE WATER AND WASTEWATER RELOCATION THROUGH THAT. 
          ALL THE UH, DOT WORK IS SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETE IN EARLY 27. 
          I'LL WRAP UP THIS RELOCATION, UH, EFFORTS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF TECHNOLOGY PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. 
          ONE IS OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANT SCADA IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. 
          THIS IS A LARGE SCALE, UM, REHAB OF OUR SC APPLICATION THAT ESSENTIALLY RUNS THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT THROUGH REPLACEMENT OF HARDWARE COMPONENTS AS WELL AS DEVELOPMENT OF ROOF SOFTWARE APPLICATION. 
          AND THEN OUR SEWER PUMP STATION SCADA UPGRADE, UH, SIMILAR TO THE WATER PLANT WHILE WE'RE REPLACING SOME HARDWARE IN THE FIELD WITH PUMP STATION CONTROLLERS, UH, RADIOS, SOME ANTENNAS ON WATER TANKS AND WINDOWS TOWER, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT SOME UPGRADES AND APPLICATIONS THAT MAKE THAT SYSTEM COMMUNICATE BACK AND FORTH AND LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          HAPPY ANSWER. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY OF THOSE IN ISSUES? THANK GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE'RE DOING, BUT IN OUR WORLD, KIND OF, I THINK EVERYTHING IS A PROJECT, SO SOME OF IT, UH, SEEMS ROUTINE IN NATURE, BUT, UM, OVERALL WE'RE ALWAYS DOING FULL LINE MAINTENANCE, UNDERGROUND MAINTENANCE SET, NEW SERVICE, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, NEW LIGHTING SERVICES, AS WELL AS REPAIRING LIGHTING SERVICES. 
          N-C-D-O-T, UH, THAT'S AN ONGOING, PROB NOT A PROBLEM, BUT PROJECT, UM, JAMES CITY THAT'S SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL EVER BE COMPLETE. 
          THEY'LL ALWAYS BE MOVING STUFF, STUFF AROUND. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO BE READJUSTING OR MOVING A STREET LIGHT OR TRAFFIC LIGHT FORM HERE OR THERE. 
          JAMES CITY TO HAVELOCK. 
          UH, THAT'S WELL UNDERWAY. 
          I HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE FINISHED WITH THAT PROJECT. 
          SO THAT'LL BE ACTIVE FOR QUITE A WHILE. 
          HAVELOCK IN THE BOULEVARD IF THEY DON'T HAVE A COMPLETION DATE ON THAT. 
          UM, THEY'RE STILL IN A DESIGN PHASE AND HIGHWAY 43 THAT'S SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE AND WE'RE WAITING, UM, TO RESPOND TO NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS THAT THAT MAY OCCUR AS THEY GO THROUGH THEIR CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS. 
          I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT MAKE READY BROADBAND ATTACHMENTS AND ALL THE, UH, ACTIVITY WE'VE HAD WITH, UH, BROADBAND PROVIDERS COMING INTO THIS TOWN, STARTING WITH METRO NET AND THEN OTHER COMPETITION TO THEM FOLLOWING, UM, THEIR EFFORTS, UM, TO ESTABLISH, UH, FIBER BASED NETWORKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          UM, THAT TAKES A LOT OF WORK FROM US TO, TO MAKE RATING THOSE POLES FOR THEM TO ATTACH TO. 
          I I'D SAY THAT'S SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE FROM ALL THOSE PRESSURES FROM THOSE PROVIDERS AND JUST RESPONDING TO MISCELLANEOUS, UM, CHANGES AND, AND ADDITIONS THAT THEY HAVE. 
          AND MOST OF THEIR ACTIVITIES NOW ON EXTENDING DROPS FROM THEIR PRIMARY LINES TO, TO RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SERVICES. 
          SO, UM, SHELLEY DID, DID METRO THAT KIND OF GET THE, UM, THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING ONE FIRST AFTER SUDDENLY IN THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 17 FEET CLEARANCE AND IF THREE MORE PROVIDERS WANT TO COME, I NOTICED THAT BRIGHT SPEED PRETTY MUCH IS DOING UNDERGROUND. 
          ARE THEY DOING ANY OVERHEAD OR IS METRO THAT KIND OF GOT THE FRANCHISE ON THAT AS FAR AS INTERNET PROVIDER? OR CAN YOU LAYER MORE ON THE TOP? YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S FIRST COME FIRST SERVE ON, ON SPACE AND YOUR CLEARANCE IS ABOUT 17 AND A HALF FEET UNDERNEATH. 
          BUT THEN WE ALLOW ABOUT FOUR FEET BETWEEN, UM, THE BOTTOM CABLE CONNECTION AND OUR NEUTRAL CONDUCTOR. 
          AND IT DEPENDS ON HOW TALL THE POLE IS. 
          SO IN SOME AREAS WE HAVE A 35 FOOT POLE. 
          IN SOME AREAS WE HAVE 45 OR 55 FOOT POLE. 
          SO THERE NEW PROVIDERS ARE HAVING TO GO UNDERGROUND PRETTY MUCH. 
          NO, THEY'RE PICKING AND CHOOSING BASED ON THEIR COST TO CHANGE OUR POLE OUT. 
          OH YEAH. 
          WE HAVE TO MAKE, PUT IN A TALLER POLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR SPACE ON THERE. 
          THEY HAVE TO PAY US FOR THAT POLE AND THAT WORKS. 
          SO THEY'LL MAKE A DECISION ON, ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S CHANGED, IT'S ECONOMICALLY THEIR BENEFIT TO GO UNDERGROUND OR GET US TO RAISE OUR POLE OUT. 
          DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OH YEAH. 
          AND UH, I'VE HEARD FROM SOME STAFF THAT THIS UNDERGROUND IS STARTING TO GET, IT'S BECOMING A PROBLEM. 
          WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE UNDERGROUND 'CAUSE ALL THESE FIBER SUPPLIERS WANNA COME IN. 
          IS THERE A POINT IN TIME, I KNOW STATUTORILY WHERE WE HAVE TO LET THEM DO IT, BUT IS THERE A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO INCREASE OUR FEE OR WE HAVE TO CHARGE THEM FOR MORE BOARDS OR SOMETHING? BECAUSE I'M HEARING THERE'S PLACES, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE HITTING LINES THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WERE THERE, WHICH 
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IS CAUSING A PROBLEM. 
          BUT WHEN, WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH? I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I I THINK WE, I MEAN WE GOT, WE GOT SOME COMPETITION OUT, RIGHT? WHICH WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE AS WELL. 
          WE WERE KIND OF PUSHING THE METRONET, BUT UH, I I DO KNOW THAT IF A LATERAL IS BEING RUN OFF OF PRIMARY AND IT'S BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S QUIT USING METRONET, STARTED USING BRIGHT SPEED OR SOMETHING, OR VICE VERSA, THE THE ONE THAT'S GETTING IT AIN'T WORRIED ABOUT HITTING THE OTHER THEY NO THEY'RE NOT. 
          NO, THEY'RE NOT. 
          THEY'RE NOT. 
          NO, IT'S BECAUSE THEY THEY'RE NOT. 
          IT IS, IT'S A UTE POINT AT THAT. 
          NO, BUT IT'S WHEN THEY HIT IN THE PRIMARY RIGHT OF WAYS. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THEY HIT MINE AND JORDAN'S AND THENS OUR BRAND AND OR NATURAL GAS, NATURAL GAS. 
          UM, WELL IT, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST IN IN PUBLIC EASEMENTS TO DO THAT. 
          THE EASIEST AND MOST ECONOMICAL WAY FOR THEM TO DO THAT IS GET ON OUR POLES AND EVERYBODY CAN KIND OF PLAY. 
          HES THERE. 
          BUT AS WE, AS THE SYSTEM HAS GROWN OVER THE YEARS AND AS WE EVOLVED, WE'VE GONE TO MORE AND MORE UNDERGROUND AND, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE OUR PULSE TO ATTACH ON LOCATION. 
          SO WE'RE FORCED TO GO UNDERGROUND. 
          IN A PERFECT WORLD, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE HAD OPPORTUNITIES IN DOWNTOWN AND CONGESTED AREAS, WE'D PUT IN DUCK BANKS THAT WE COULD ALL SHARE AND WE COULD RENT SPACE, UM, AND ALLOCATE SPACE FOR DIFFERENT COMPANIES TO, TO, TO SHARE IN THAT DUCK SPACE. 
          BUT THAT IT'S A BIT OF A PIPE TRAIN. 
          UM, I'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF IT HAPPEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, BUT NOT REAL EFFECTIVELY. 
          AND YOU GOTTA GET WAY IN FRONT OF IT. 
          YOU GOTTA DO IT NOW SO THAT SOMEBODY COMES TOMORROW YOU HAVE IT. 
          I KNOW WE HAD LIMITED RESOURCES, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER SITUATIONS AND SOME OTHER 'EM, TRENT WOODS WERE, UM, PROVIDERS ARE GOING IN AND DAMAGING SIDEWALKS AND THEN THEY'RE BLAMING THE CITY IN NEW BERN. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND IT'S NOT THE STATE DOING IT AND YOU KNOW, WHO, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU I THINK PUBLIC FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE BREEDS THE, RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE A FULL-TIME PERSON THAT DOES THEIR BEST TO KEEP TRACK OF WHERE, UM, THOSE BROADBAND PROVIDERS ARE AND WHERE THEIR SUBCONTRACTORS ARE. 
          UM, AND GEORGE MIGHT BE ABLE SPEAK TO MORE THAN I CAN, BUT THEY, THEY'RE OUT THERE WITH THE RESIDENTS TRYING TO COORDINATE BETWEEN, FOR THE MOST PART AND THE SUBCONTRACTORS. 
          YOU, WE MENTIONED WE'VE GOT AN INSPECTOR OUT THAT THE FIBER INSTALLERS ARE PROVIDING US WITH THEIR WORKSHEET WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED HAS AN IDEA OF WHERE EVERY CREW SHOULD BE AT THAT POINT. 
          UM, HE DOES A GREAT JOB FACILITATING THE REPAIRS WHEN A RESIDENT, WHETHER IT'S JUST A DROP FOR A SERVICE OR IT'S THEIR MAIN LINE INSTALLATION WHERE THEY'RE DAMAGE TO IT, IT'S BASICALLY THE RIGHT WAY, UM, IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY'S RESIDENCE GETTING THAT IN  LANDSCAPE OR WHATEVER THEIR IS TO, BUT TO, TO GET BACK ALL OUTLAW, UH, POINT AND, AND IT'S GETTING VERY TIGHT IN SPACES. 
          I, THERE'S NO ABILITY ON OUR PART TO RESTRICT THEM ACCESS TO THAT AREA. 
          SO INSTALLATION JUST BECOMES SLOWER, WHICH IS MORE COSTLY TO THE NEXT PROVIDER. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE THE STOP POINT. 
          THEY KNOW YOU'VE GOT MORE PROVIDERS IN THE GROUND, YOU'VE GOT WATER STILL GAS, ELECTRIC IN THE GROUND. 
          HOW TIME CONSUMING IS IT TO TRY TO GET A VEHICLE  WHAT THE PROCESS WORKS, IF YOU CALL 8 1 1, HIT SOMETHING, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT IF YOU CALL 8 1 1, BUT EVERYBODY DOWN THE LINE'S GOT SOMETHING EXISTING. 
          THEY HAVE A TIME ELEMENT TO GET IN THERE AND GETTING THEIR STUFF IDENTIFIED. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T, 8 1 1 IS NOT PAYING ON IT. 
          SO. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY MAKE THE DECISION, THEY'LL TAKE THE CHANCE AND THEY'RE NOT LOCATED IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE COMING OUT FOR THREE DAYS AND UM, THEY'LL TAKE THE RISK WHAT'S ON THE, WHAT'S IN THAT LOCAL AREA. 
          IF IT'S A BIG TELECOMMUNICATION CABLE, IT GETS THEIR ATTENTION. 
          IF IT'S A COUPLE CUSTOMERS ON IT, CHANCES ARE THEY'RE NOT RESPOND. 
          DO WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE? AND I KNOW THIS WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO LIKELY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE WITHOUT SELF-REPORTING. 
          IS THERE A POLICY WHERE IF THEY UTILITY PROVIDER COMES IN AND DAMAGES ONE OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER IT'S ELECTRIC WATER, UH, I MEAN THEY, THAT THEY THEN PAY THE 
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BASIS BETWEEN TIMES 10. 
          THESE ARE CONTRACTORS YEAH. 
          FOR BRIGHT FOR THESE COMPANIES. 
          THEY'RE NOT THE COMPANY THAT'S TRUE. 
          IT'S THE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE HITTING EVERYTHING. 
          SO THEN TO GO BACK TO ME'S POINT, INCREASING THE FEE OF, I MEAN THE FEE OF ACCESS WOULD BE TO ME WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY TO, WE, WE DON'T CHARGE FOR BEING UNDERGROUND IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND TO BE ON, ON THE POLLS. 
          WE ARE BEST IF WE FOLLOWED FCC GUIDELINES ON HOW TO, UM, PARTI TO PARTITION THE COST, UM, OF THEM SHARING THAT SECTION OF THE BURDEN ON THAT FOLDER. 
          DON'T WE REQUIRE THE RIGHT AWAY ACCESS PERMIT? WE REQUIRE THEM TO GET AN APPROACH FROM CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM TO LET US KNOW. 
          IT IDENTIFIES WHERE ONE, WHERE THEY'RE WORKING, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, IT STIPULATES ALL OF OUR GUIDELINES OF WHEN THEY CAN WORK, HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED, HOW DEEP THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, AND WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND REQUIREMENTS LIKE HOW MUCH OF THAT ONE OF THOSE PERMIT. 
          PERMIT AND THE ENCROACHMENT IS A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER. 
          SO CAN WE CHARGE $10,000 FOR THAT PERMIT? WE CAN, EXCEPT FOR FIBER COMMUNICATION LINES ARE CONSIDERED A PUBLIC UTILITY SERVICE AND WE CANNOT COLLECT EVEN ENCROACHMENT. 
          YEAH, THEY WON THAT ARGUMENT. 
          WE TRY, OKAY, HAVE A RIGHT TO BE THERE. 
          AND MAYOR, ANOTHER ISSUE WITH THAT, PROBABLY HALF OR MORE THAN HALF OF THE PLACES WHERE WE HAVE ELECTRIC WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT, THAT, THAT RIDES IN DOT RIGHTS AWAY, NOT RIGHT AWAY. 
          SO EVEN IF WE HAD SOME GREAT PROBLEMS THAT WE COULD, WE COULD CONTROL WHAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN OUR CITY STREET LARGE PORTION OF OUR WATER SEW INFRASTRUCTURE BUMP. 
          ANYTHING IS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY JURISDICTION. 
          THE DOT, THEY HAVE SOME GENERAL GUIDELINES, THEY HAVE AN APPROACHMENT PROCESS, BUT THE DOT RIGHTS AWAY, THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANY HAS THE SAME RIGHT THERE AS WE IN FERGUSON, BACK TO YOUR, YOUR QUESTION A FEW MINUTES AGO. 
          WE DO THE INVOICE WHEN THERE'S DAMAGE, THERE GOES THAT DAMAGE THROUGH INVOICE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A WEEKLY AT THIS POINT TO VARIOUS CONTRACT. 
          AS MUCH AS I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH BROADBAND PROVIDERS, THEIR APPROACH TO SERVING, EXTENDING THEIR SYSTEMS AND US MAKING READY OUR FACILITIES, UM, IT, IT'S A LOT OF WORK ON STAFF. 
          AND SINCE METRONET CAME IN AND THE REST OF THEM FOLLOWED, UM, STAFF, NOT JUST IN THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT, BUT IN WATER AND PUBLIC WORKS AS WELL, WE JUST MADE THE APPROACH THAT WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE DOOR AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO HELP THEM MANAGE THESE PROJECTS AND BE COOPERATIVE, PARK AS POSSIBLE AND OPEN THE FRONT DOOR, COOPERATE AND GET THEM OUT THE BACK DOOR AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID. 
          AND THEY BUILT THEIR STUFF AND THEY GOT OUTTA HERE. 
          I THINK IT'S, IT'S A SUCCESS STORY. 
          UM, THINGS THAT THEY'VE HIT, UM, WE'VE GOTTEN PAID FOR. 
          UM, WE'VE HELPED OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR CUSTOMERS THAT, THAT HAVE HAD PERSONAL PROPERTY DAMAGE. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE PUSHED FROM OUR END, WE'VE GIVEN THEM CONTACT INFORMATION WHERE THEY CAN CONTACT THE COMPANIES DIRECTLY. 
          I, I THINK WE DID A REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB WITH IT. 
          UM, AS MUCH AS I DON'T LIKE IT , IT'S A BURDEN ON US, WELL, I THINK THEY'RE A LITTLE SCISSOR HAPPY MYSELF OF GOING OUT AND JUST CAR BLOCK CUTTING, YOU KNOW, TWO FOOT BY TWO FOOT CUTOUTS IN A ROW, SCIS. 
          AND THEN I GO THROUGH PUTTING THEIR PACKS BACK. 
          YOU KNOW, I CAN GO THROUGH SECTIONS OF TOWN AND SEE WHERE, WHERE THEY'VE STRUNG. 
          THEY'VE TIED THEIR CABLE TO TREATMENTS, RIGHT? I MEAN, GEORGE FARTHER THAN YOU, THEY'RE BORING AND, OR THEY'RE PUSHING AND THEY, THEY JUST MILL THE ROAD, SAY, WELL YOU, IT'S GONNA BE TOO LONG TO BO OR PUSH. 
          AND THEY, THEY SCARED AND CUT A PLACE OUT RIGHT THERE IN THE DANG ON ROAD. 
          DID THEY EVEN LET YOU KNOW THEY'D DONE THAT? THEY DID IT AT JIMMY'S CREEK THE OTHER DAY. 
          THEY'VE DONE IT ON, ON MOST OF THE STREETS THAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO DO CROSSINGS WITH. 
          SO THERE'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIFFERENT METHODS UP GOING UNDER THE ROAD. 
          ONE WHICH WE RESTRICT PUM. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN ALLOW 'EM TO DO THAT UNDERNEATH OUR STREETS. 
          BUT WHEN THEY DO THE LOCATES, WHEN THEY CALL IN THEIR EIGHT ONE ONE AND THEY COME PAINT, WELL UTILITIES ARE, IF THERE'S A UTILITY IN THAT ROAD, THEY HAVE GOTTA BE ABLE TO EVENLY PUT THEIR AISLE ON BEFORE THEY CROSS UNDERNEATH IT. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO DO A SPOT DIG AND CHECK DOWN TO SEE WHERE IT IS BEFORE THEY GO UNDERNEATH IT. 
          SO IF IT'S IN THE ROADWAY, THEY HAVE TO CUT OUT A, A PATCH TO, TO IDENTIFY THE UTILITY AND THAT'S 
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WHERE YOU SEE THESE SMALL PATCH PATCH MOVING ON. 
          UM, WE'RE USING UP A LOT OF OUR OLD, UH, UH, FIBER THAT WE'VE HAD TO STOP. 
          UM, WE GO TO EXTEND FIBER TO OUR, OUR LINE CLOSURES AND UH, ONCE WE GET THAT FINISHED UP, EXPECTING THAT TO BE THE FOURTH QUARTER OF THIS YEAR, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET OFF OF THE RADIO SYSTEM THAT WE USE RIGHT NOW AND ELIMINATE THE EXPENSE AND THE AGGRAVATION OF MAINTAINING RADIO SYSTEM TO BREAK THOSE CLOSURES. 
          WE'VE GOT ABOUT 21 LINE EXTENSIONS. 
          I DO HAVE 21 LINE EXTENSIONS FORECASTED, UM, AT THE BASE OF DEVELOPERS. 
          IT'S ABOUT 2000 HOMES. 
          UM, JUST UH, GOT REQUEST FOR AN AGREEMENT ON BLUE WATER RISE, UH, OLYMPIC HARBOR PHASE ONE, THAT'S 50 HOMES. 
          SO THEY'RE COMING, UM, BUILDING STARTS, HOME STARTS ARE STILL ON THE UPWARD. 
          UM, SO WE'RE RESPONDING TO THOSE, UM, HUNTER'S BRIDGE I THINK WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER. 
          UM, SUBSTATION SECURITY, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER CAMERA SYSTEM BEING REPLACED. 
          UH, HOPEFULLY THAT'S DONE IN THE FOURTH QUARTER THIS YEAR. 
          UM, NEW WATER RISE, WE'RE EXTENDING AN EMERGENCY FEE HERE TO SERVE, UH, THAT PART OF THE SYSTEM. 
          UM, WE'RE STUCK RIGHT NOW WAITING ON A, A, A PERMIT FROM THE US FOREST SERVICE. 
          UM, WE STILL HAVE SOME MORE WORK TO DO WITH UH, TWO 10 ROAD. 
          SO I HAVE THAT ON HOLD, UM, UNTIL I GET SOME MORE FUNDING FOR THAT SOUTHEAST SUBSTATION CONSTRUCTION, GLEN SUBSTATION PART OF THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN. 
          UM, I'M TRYING TO PROCURE, UH, ENGINEERING AGREEMENTS THAT ARE EXECUTABLE SO WE CAN GET STARTED ON THE ENGINEERING AND BIDDING PROCESS FOR THOSE PROJECTS. 
          I'M SURE I'LL BE BACK LATER WITH YOU ON, UM, TRENT ROAD SUBSTATION TRANSFORMER REPLACEMENT LEWIS FARM TRANSFORMER INSTALLATION. 
          UH, NEW SUBSTATION ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE SYSTEM. 
          THOSE ARE ALL LATER IN THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN. 
          UM, POWER UP GRANT THAT I'M WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, UM, INVOLVES CONTROL ROOM MODERNIZATION, WHICH IS PART OF THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN AND RIGHT SIZING UNDERGROUND, UM, FEEDERS, UM, CRITICAL PARTS OF FEEDERS. 
          AND GREENBRIER SUBDIVISION DIVISION IS OUR OLDEST UNDERGROUND SYSTEM, PART OF THE SYSTEM. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT THE LAST YEAR, UH, CONTINUE FOR ANOTHER COUPLE YEARS TO UH, TO IMPROVE THAT, UH, THE UNDERGROUND FOR THAT, FOR THAT COMMUNITY TO MAKE IT RELIABLE. 
          UM, 70 EAST, UH, FEEDER RIVER CROSSING, WE JUST RECEIVED BIDS ON THAT THIS WEEK. 
          UM, AND IT'S BIDS CAME IN MORE THAN WE GET ANTICIPATED. 
          SO WE'LL BE SELECTING A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CONTRACTOR THERE. 
          MOST LIKELY BE COMING BACK TO FOR A BUCKET AMENDMENT ON THAT. 
          THAT'S THAT RIVER CROSSING TO GET AERIAL UNDER THE RIVER BETWEEN OLD TOWN AND MADAM MOORE'S LANE THAT CARRIES WHAT WE CALL THE SEVEN EAST. 
          THAT CARRIES MOST ALL OF JAMES CITY. 
          WE CAN'T GO ON THE BRIDGE. 
          INSTEAD OF GOING UNDER THE SPAN, IT GOES TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION. 
          TALKING ABOUT PEST TOWN SUPPORT THERE. 
          OLD TOWN. 
          OLD TOWN ACROSS THE ROAD, OLD TOWN TO  LAND, RIGHT? UH, OLD TOWN TOO. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'D CALL IT  PEST TOWN. 
          BUT UM, THAT USED TO ACTUALLY THE OVERHEAD AND TRYING TRYING REALLY GOT IT PUT UNDER GROUND. 
          WELL THAT IS OVERHEAD RIGHT NOW THAT THAT'S OVERHEAD. 
          WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW WITH THIS BID IS PUT IN A 26 INCH CASING UNDER THE RIVER. 
          UM, AND THEN AFTER WE GET THAT CASING INSTALLED AND, AND WE CAN COME BACK AND WE CAN INSTALL CONDUITS AND WIRE INSIDE THAT CASE IF WE CAN PULL THOSE OURSELVES. 
          VEGETATION MANAGEMENT'S ALWAYS ONGOING. 
          UM, UPDATING OUR NETWORK MAPPING PARTICULARLY UNDERGROUND IS ALWAYS ONGOING. 
          FALL INSPECTIONS AND TESTING ALWAYS ONGOING. 
          UM, TRYING TO INCORPORATE MORE AND MORE, UM, RETIREMENT AND BACK LOT POLES AND GET THEM OUT FRONT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, WHERE IT'S FEASIBLE AND THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. 
          UM, EXPECTING A THIRD QUARTER OF THIS YEAR, OUR CUSTOMER INFORMATION, UM, 
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SYSTEM WILL HAVE SOME MORE ENHANCED REPORTING TOOLS THAT HAVE FORTHCOMING, UM, EXPECT OUR CUSTOMER INFORMATION AND USE USAGE PORTAL TO BE UP AND RUNNING BY THE FOURTH QUARTER OF THIS YEAR. 
          SOME ADDITIONAL POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON, ON CUSTOMER INFORMATION TYPE STUFF. 
          UM, SINCE WE WENT WITH OUR NEW, UM, DOCS AND PROVIDER, OUR BILL PAY, OUR BILL PRINTER, OUR BILL PRESENTER, UM, BACK IN FEBRUARY WE HAD 3000 CUSTOMERS, UH, IN BILLING. 
          UM, AS OF MAY WE HAVE 10,000. 
          SO THAT'S 7,000 BILL CUSTOMERS THAT ARE, UM, SELFER, UH, THROUGH AN ONLINE PORTAL. 
          AND UM, THAT REDUCES CALL VOLUME AND CUSTOMER SERVICE, UM, THAT REDUCES POSTAGE. 
          UM, AND THAT REDUCES BILL PRINTING COSTS. 
          WELL. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE STORY RIGHT THERE. 
          AND UM, IMMEDIATE DATA MANAGEMENT SYSTEM EXPECT THAT TO COME ONLINE IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2027. 
          THAT'LL GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE MORE AGGRESSIVE STEPS TOWARDS GREAT MODERNIZATION. 
          AND, UM, THE WESTBURN UH, SOUTH SUBSTATION, UM, THAT'S PART OF THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN. 
          SUBSTATION MAINTENANCE, ALWAYS ONGOING. 
          SAME, SAME WITH BATTERY CHANGE OUT PLANNING. 
          ANOTHER FINANCIAL STUDY FOR, UH, LATER THIS YEAR ALWAYS AT WORKING ON RATE MODERNIZATION. 
          UM, CAP CUSTOMER, UM, PAYMENT SERVICES HAD PLANS TO DO SOME REMODELING IN THAT BUILDING, BUT THAT'S ON HOLD RIGHT NOW. 
          AND, UH, THE CUSTOMER SERVICE AI SYSTEM, YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR LINE EXTENSION REQUESTS, UM, THERE WAS ANNOUNCED TIME WE TALKED ABOUT LATER, A LITTLE LATER, BUT CAN WE DISCUSS AS A BOARD ON THE CURRENT LINE EXTENSION POLICY HAS AN EIGHT YEAR RECRUITMENT ON INVESTMENT ASSUMING THAT THERE IS A PAYING CUSTOMER AT THE END OF THAT LINE, RIGHT? YES. 
          AND IN IN VERY GENERAL TERMS, YES. 
          AND SO I MEAN THERE ARE QUITE A FEW DEVELOPMENTS IN WHICH YOU DO DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE DEVELOPER WHO CREATES THE DIFFERENT BUILDABLE LOTS GETS THE ADVANTAGE OF THE LINE EXTENSION POLICY WHERE IT'S SOME, YOU KNOW, FREE EXTENSION TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO THEIR PROPERTY. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T BILL THOSE EIGHT YEARS, THAT'S JUST PROLONGING ANY KIND OF FOOD. 
          YES AND NO. 
          THEY'LL PAY THE LINE EXTENSION COST SO THAT THEY CAN DEVELOP THEIR BUILDABLE LOSS, THAT AMOUNT OF CREDIT THEY GIVE BASED ON HOW MUCH LOAD THEY SET. 
          BUT THEY DON'T SET ANY LOAD IN THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP. 
          THEY'RE SELLING A LOT TO SOMEBODY THAT WILL BUILD A HOUSE THAT WILL ACTUALLY DEVELOP THE ACTUAL REAL LOAD CONNECT TO THE SYSTEM. 
          SO IT GETS A LITTLE WEIRD THERE. 
          SOME, SOME OF IT'S BASED ON CONCEPTS THAT THEY'RE GONNA SELL. 
          THEY'RE GONNA DEVELOP ALL THOSE LOT, THEY'RE GONNA SELL, THERE'S GONNA BE A HOUSE. 
          IS THERE A WAY MODIFY THE EXTENSION POLICY TO RECOUP THOSE COSTS FROM THE CITY QUICKER? PAUL FERGUSON, WE, WE DISCUSSED THIS, THE CITY MANAGER AND THE ATTORNEY, WE DISCUSSED THIS THAT WORKED ON THIS A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          CITY OF NEW BURN'S CURRENT LINE EXTENSION POLICY IS STILL MORE COST PROHIBITED TO DEVELOPERS THAN DUKE AND JOAN TOLO, ENCI CAN'T REMEMBER THE OTHER ONE. 
          UM, WE MADE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          UM, THE DEVELOPERS OBVIOUSLY, THEY DON'T WANNA PAY ANYTHING OR PAY AS LITTLE AS THEY CAN. 
          STAFF WANTS TO RECOUP ALL OF THE COSTS IF WE CAN. 
          AND WE SETTLED ON WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH THE LINE EXTENSION POLICY, WHICH WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT ONCE THE CUSTOMER GETS ONLINE, THEY'RE ONLINE FOREVER. 
          UM, YES THERE MAY BE A SLOWER PAYBACK, BUT MR. MANAGER, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? I THINK YOU WERE PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS. 
          I WAS AND IT WAS VERY PRET CONTENTIOUS DISCUSSIONS AS WELL. 
          AND THEN AND UM, OUT BOARD, LIKE LOOK AT IT. 
          WE WILL, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THAT AGAIN. 
          WE, WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT, BOTH OF US WERE EQUALLY UNHAPPY AND WE KIND OF MOVED ON. 
          SO I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE ANYTHING TO GAIN. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING, YOU'RE GONNA STIFLE DEVELOPMENT IF YOU CHARGE MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE CHARGING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY MORE THAN WHAT I GUESS I, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE PRIOR CONVERSATIONS, UM, FROM PREVIOUS YEARS, BUT MY THOUGHT PROCESS WOULD BE THAT ONE, I I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK WE'D STIFLE DEVELOPMENT SO MUCH. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE SO MANY BUILDING RIGHT NOW, AND THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, YOU HAVE NEW BURN 
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CUSTOMERS SUBSIDIZING THESE NEW LINES, WHEREAS THE DEVELOPER, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT TO PAY. 
          SO WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL PAY IT UP FRONT AND THEN INCREASE THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE LOT AND SO THE ACTUAL END BUYER IS GONNA HAVE THE INCREASE INSTEAD OF THE CUSTOMER BASE SUBSIDIZING THE EXTENSIONS. 
          THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST WHAT I WAS KIND OF THINKING THROUGH. 
          I THINK, I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT LIKE 70 OR 80% OF THE BUILDING PERMITS ARE BEING TOTALED BY TWO OR $3 AND THEY CERTAINLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY NO, WE'RE GONNA PAUSE ON THIS AND GO ELSEWHERE. 
          SO, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SHARE A YOU MORE DETAILS IF YOU WANT. 
          YEAH, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. 
          I'M SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO, AS YOU BROUGHT IT UP, WANTED TO, WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS IN OUR GROUP, OUR, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING, UM, AND SO WANTED TO BRING IT UP, BUT I THINK FROM WHAT THE MAYOR'S SAYING TO NEW INFORMATION THAT APPARENT THE CITY MANAGER HAS, WE'LL GET INTO IT AND LOOK AT THAT. 
          THANK YOU CHARLIE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR, CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? HAVE A MOTION, HAVE A SECOND. 
          ALL, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? WE ARE IN FIVE MINUTE RECESS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE ARE BACK AND WE ARE AT ITEM NUMBER 10, MR. OKAY, SO THIS NEXT ITEM DISCUSS PROPOSED ORDINANCE UPDATE. 
          AND SO THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE ON HERE FOR HIRE, GOOD AFTERNOON, IN YOUR PACKET TODAY IS A DRAFT VERSION OF CHAPTER 82 VEHICLES FOR, AND I KNOW YOU HAD THIS, YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO RUMINATE OVER THE FIT, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU THE HIGHLIGHTS, UM, THE PROPOSED REVISIONS TO CHAPTER 82 VEHICLE VEHICLES WERE HIGHER ONLY APPLIED TO CERTAIN TYPES OF VEHICLES NOT APPLY TO TAXIS. 
          LENO RIDE SHARE ON, UM, UP NOTE, WE HAVE THE DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL METAL VEHICLES. 
          UM, THOSE VEHICLES AS PROPOSED ARE ONLY ALLOWED AS THE LOCALLY DESIGNATED DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. 
          AND THIS ORDINANCE ALSO CONTEMPLATES, UH, LICENSES, INSPECTIONS AND INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, VEHICLES THAT MIGHT FALL UNDER THIS ORDINANCE. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS, UM, I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THEM. 
          UM, BUT THE, THE SENTENCES OR PHRASES THAT ARE UNDERLINED IN THE VERSION THAT YOU HAVE ARE THE CHANGES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DISCUSSED OR PROPOSED SINCE YOUR LAST DISCUSSION. 
          UM, BUT OTHERWISE, I THINK YOU ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND THIS, THIS INCLUDE THE, UM, I DUNNO WHAT YOU WANNA CALL THAT THING. 
          THE PEDAL CLUB? YES SIR. 
          THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL PEDAL PEDAL VEHICLE. 
          THIS PRIMARILY AFFECTS ALMOND, SO I'LL LET YOU KNOW. 
          CHIME IN. 
          THIS IS A, I THINK Y'ALL HAVE A DRAFT TO LOOK AT AND PROBABLY DISCUSS, I THINK IN THE, I HOPE WE DISCUSS IT IN JULY. 
          I'VE GOTTEN, FRANKLY, I'VE GOTTEN MIXED REVIEWS, UM, FROM FOLKS. 
          SO I'VE JUST TALKED, I'M, I'M TALKING WITH THEM. 
          I HAVE, UH, SOME, SOME MEETINGS SET UP WITH HYDRA AND SOME OTHER DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS JUST ABOUT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. 
          I THINK THAT THE PRIMARY CONCERN IS NOISE. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IN THIS DRAFT IS TO LIMIT WHERE, AND SPECIFICALLY I THINK IT'S A, YOU KNOW, THE BIKE TROLLEY COMPONENT IS WHERE I GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK. 
          AND SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IN THIS DRAFT WAS LIMIT THE LOCATION OF WHERE THAT BICYCLE VEHICLE, THAT COMMERCIAL PEDAL VEHICLE COULD GO. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE HAVE IN HERE IS THEY COULD GO IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          AND SO YOU CAN ONLY ESSENTIALLY FOLLOWS THE ZONING MAP. 
          YOU CAN ONLY GO IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT IS AN HISTORIC, I THINK IT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE, BUT THAT'S, SO ANYWAY, ALL HAS TO SAY IS I'LL HAVE A FEW MORE CONVERSATIONS AND THEN WHAT'S THAT ALL ONE, I WAS JUST COMMENTING TO THE MAYOR ABOUT THE VIDEO THAT I SENT YOU WHEN I WAS IN THE RALEIGH AREA OF THAT. 
          UM, AND IT WAS DEFINITELY LOUD AND UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A DESIGNATED AREA FOR SURE. 
          I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          WELL, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHY, I MEAN THE INTERRUPT, I MEAN THE, THE FOLKS THAT WANT TO DO IT OBVIOUSLY WANT A MUCH BROADER MAP AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE, THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE BROADER MAP HAVE SOME CONCERNS RIGHTLY SO. 
          AND SO I THINK A GOOD COMPROMISE WAS, WELL, IF YOU LIVE IN A 
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COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, YOU EXPECT SOME LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND THIS IS A COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, SO THIS IS A COMPROMISE. 
          THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS OFFSET, I THINK ARE A COMPROMISE TO, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT NOISE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE UNTIL MIDNIGHT. 
          SO, UM, STILL WORKING THROUGH IT. 
          JUST WANT TO GIVE Y'ALL UPDATE AND SEE IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY FEEDBACK YOURSELVES BEFORE I GO AND TALK TO SOME HYDRO FOLKS AND OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS BEFORE WE BRING IT UP IN JULY. 
          I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM A LOT, BUT THE ONES I HAVE HEARD FROM, WE'RE NOT VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT POTENTIAL. 
          THAT'S ALL I CAN SHARE WITH. 
          I, I'VE GOTTEN, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE NOT GOTTEN A TON OF FEEDBACK, PROBABLY SEVEN OR EIGHT FOLKS THAT I'VE DIRECTLY KIND OF SOLICITED FEEDBACK FROM A, A WIDER GROUP. 
          IT'S ABOUT SPLIT. 
          THE ONES THAT AGAIN SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT ARE REFERRING TO THE COMMERCIAL PEDAL VEHICLE. 
          UH, I HAVE ONE RESPONSE THAT SAYS WE SHOULD BAN THE HORSE CARRIAGES ALTOGETHER. 
          SO I MEAN PEOPLE, UM, FROM ALL OVER, I ALSO HAVE FOLKS THAT SAY, YEAH, WE SUPPORT IT AND WE LIKE THIS. 
          SO, UM, ANYWAY, DARK LEAFBLOWER TOO, RIGHT? OH, AND LEAF . 
          YEAH. 
          UH, SO DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL HAD A KIND OF UPDATED DRAFT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY SUGGESTIONS BEFORE I TAKE IT OUT FURTHER GROUPS. 
          ALRIGHT, YOU GOOD ON THAT ONE? IF NOT, WE'LL PROCEED TO THE NEXT ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY. 
          UM, IT IS CHAPTER 47, TITLE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. 
          THIS, UM, THIS DRAFT AS MR. DAVIS HAS FORECASTED, DRAWS OUT OUR ALCOHOL REGULATIONS FROM A PREVIOUS, UM, SUBSECTION OF OUR ORDINANCE AND ALSO CODIFIES A, WHAT I'M GONNA CALL A TEMPORARY SOCIAL DISTRICT. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT THE BOYS HAD A GREAT MANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE SOCIAL DISTRICT CONCEPT AND COUNCIL ADAPTED FOR NEW BIRTH, IF AT ALL. 
          SO THERE ARE A COUPLE, IF YOU PAGE DOWN TO, I THINK IT'S PAGE 1, 2, 3, 4, UM, YOU'LL SEE SOME BLANKS THERE AND SOME, UM, IN TEXT COMMENTS ABOUT THINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DETERMINED. 
          SO AS IT'S BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW, UM, PARKING LOTS, STREETS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, WE WILL NEED SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL ABOUT WHETHER, UM, THOSE VENUES SHOULD BE INCLUDED. 
          UM, CROSSWALKS WE THINK ARE INCLUDED BY NECESSITY. 
          WE'LL ALSO NEED SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD ABOUT, UM, POSSIBLE DATES AND TIMES WHEN THE SOCIAL DISTRICT MAY BE ACTIVATED. 
          OUR BEST THINKING IS TO HAVE SOME DEFAULTS IN THE ORDINANCE SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE SOME PARAMETERS ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE, AND THEN CERTAINLY ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK WE HAVE THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE, UM, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A FINAL DRAFT PREPARED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AT A FUTURE DATE. 
          THIS IS ANOTHER ONE I'VE TALKED TO QUITE A FEW FOLKS ON. 
          UM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I'VE GOTTEN LESS NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ON THIS THAN I HAVE THE VEHICLE FOR HIRE. 
          UM, PRIMARILY BIG PIECES HERE ON THE MAP WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          UM, MOST FOLKS I TALK TO, ESPECIALLY IN THE UM, CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT DOWNTOWN ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ARE AMENABLE TO THE PERMIT BASE. 
          THE ABILITY TO IS, IS A OFF, WE DO NOT HAVE THIS AND IN FOR AN EVENT IT'S ACTIVATED SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT, UM, MAKING IT EVENT BASED. 
          THE ONLY KIND OF KIND, AND I HAVEN'T GIVEN MY FEEDBACK YET, BUT YOU KNOW, MY FEEDBACK ON IT IS, IS REALLY THE PROCESS FOR EITHER OBTAINING THE PERMIT OR THE APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD INVOLVEMENT, ACTUALLY HAVING A, JUST LIKE WE DO IN THE STREET CLOSURE WHERE I, I DON'T SEE THAT BAKED IN HERE. 
          SO A LITTLE MORE CLEAR ABOUT THE PROCESS BY WHICH YOU OBTAINED THIS APPROVAL, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DO WITH THE STREET CLOSURE. 
          UM, AND I THINK AS FAR AS THE AREAS, WE KEEP A VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT DOWNTOWN WITHIN THOSE, YOU KNOW, FOUR BLOCKS AND THEN THE ONE BLOCK ON P*****K BETWEEN FRESHWATER FIREFLY CAFE AND BREWERY NINE NINE, AND KEEP IT BETWEEN THOSE, JUST, JUST THAT PORTION OF P*****K STREET. 
          SO VERY NARROW FOOTPRINT. 
          IF, IF WE COULD GET A, A DRAFT MAP OF THAT. 
          SO I CAN SHARE WITH THE RESIDENT GROUPS I'M TALKING TO, BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT'S BEEN MY FEEDBACK IS, WELL, WHAT'S THE MAP LOOK LIKE? THE TWO COMMENTS, WELL, I'VE HAD MORE FEEDBACK ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT THAN ANYTHING I, THAT I KNOW OF. 
          AND, 
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AND SO FAR EVERYONE THAT'S CONTACTED ME, WHICH HASN'T BEEN ABOUT MAYBE NOW FOUR OR FIVE, ASKED ME NOT TO VOTE FOR IT. 
          HE SAID THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO BE WALKING DOWNTOWN WITH THEIR GRANDCHILDREN OR SOMETHING AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SOMEBODY BEING WALKING UP DOWN THE STREET DRINKING. 
          AND THIS IS, BUT I THINK IF THEY TAKE THEIR THREE KIDS TO A FESTIVAL DOWNTOWN, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW. 
          UM, WE'RE JUST OPENING IT UP SO THAT YOU ESSENTIALLY HAVE INCREASED COMPETITION WITH BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA. 
          YOU'RE NOT LIMITING THEIR ABILITY DURING THIS EVENT. 
          THAT'S WHY I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR, WHAT IS THE PERMIT APPROVAL PROCESS TYING TO MAKING IT A YES OR NO VOTE FROM THE ALDERMAN? HAS IT COMES UP AND, AND THIS IS JUST FOR ALREADY EVENTS GOING ON? WELL, MY, THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS IS, IT'S JUST LIKE WE DO WITH STREET CLOSURES. 
          YOU REQUEST A STREET CLOSURE AND YOU GET APPROVAL, WHETHER IT'S FOR MEN FOR A PARADE HERE IT'S, WE'RE GONNA PETITION TO HAVE THIS SOCIAL, YOU KNOW, THIS PERMITTED BASIC CONTROL, THIS PERMITTED SOCIAL DISTRICT. 
          AND IT'S GONNA BE THE FIRST FRIDAY DURING ART WALKS AND IT'S GONNA, AND, AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, YOU KNOW, IN THAT PETITION IT SAYS WHAT THE TIME, WHAT TIME IS, I'M NOT, I DON'T LOVE THE IDEA OF A DEFAULT TIME, FRANKLY. 
          I LIKE HAVING THE DEFAULT MAPS THAT WE'RE GONNA ALLOW IT IN THESE TWO AREAS AND THEN HAVE THE PETITIONER OR APPLICANT SAY, WE WANT THIS DURING, YOU KNOW, ON THIS DAY FROM THESE TIMES. 
          JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, SO FEST, FOR EXAMPLE, MON FEST HAS THE BEER GARDEN MM-HMM . 
          IT'S SORT OF BEEN ON THE TALT SLIDE AT TIMES. 
          I THINK IT'S BEEN IN THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET FROM CITY HALL. 
          SO WHAT THIS ORDINANCE WOULD DO IS ALLOW MUM FEST TO ESSENTIALLY HAVE THE SOCIAL DISTRICT WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT DURING FEST, CORRECT. 
          THAT ALLOW, THAT THEN ALLOWS TO EVERY RESTAURANT OR BAR OWNER IN THAT AREA TO SELL DURING FEST ON A TOGO CUT THAT THEY CAN WALK OUT RATHER THAN LIMITING TO, YOU HAVE THE BEER GARDEN, THIS SMALL AREA WITH THIS VENDOR THAT TYPICALLY IS AN OUTSIDE VENDOR. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT EVEN, YOU'RE SUPPORTING LOCAL WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. 
          IT OPENS IT UP TO THOSE DOWNTOWN RESTAURANT AND GARDENERS. 
          BUT AS IT SITS NOW, REGARDLESS OF KIND OF YOU'RE SELLING IT, YOU HAVE TO STAY IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. 
          CORRECT. 
          THIS MEANS YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO WALK ANYWHERE WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. 
          OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO I MEAN, IF, IF THERE'S NO FUNDAMENTAL OPPOSITION TO THOSE CHANGES THAT I'D SUGGEST, I'D LIKE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN MAKE THOSE SUGGESTED CHANGES OR RED LINES FOR ME TO SHARE WITH. 
          AGAIN, I'M MEETING WITH , UM, AND THEN SOME OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS SHOULD TALK THROUGH SOME OF THESE THINGS. 
          SO I JUST WOULD LIKE THAT CERTAINLY WE CAN, UM, PREPARE THAT FOR YOU ALL. 
          FERGUSON, I I JUST WILL ADD ONE ADDITIONAL POINT THAT THIS ORDINANCE CONTEMPLATES A MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH I THINK IS SOME OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. 
          SO THAT MANAGEMENT PLAN WOULD HELP STAFF ADMINISTER THE SOCIAL DISTRICT PROGRAM AFTER THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ORDINANCE. 
          BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A FORECAST OF WHAT THAT PLAN MIGHT ENTAIL, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THAT. 
          SO IS THAT, THE WAY I READ THIS OR, OR THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, IS A MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY SAYS, WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS MANAGEMENT PLAN TOGETHER AND THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW? OR IS IT THE APPLICANT SAYING, HERE'S WHAT THE MANAGEMENT PLAN IS WHEN WE HAVE THIS, I UNDERSTAND IT TO BE, IT'S A MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR STAFF TO HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEKING TO APPLY FOR SOCIAL DISTRICT, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED FROM YOU. 
          THIS IS THE PROCESS HERE, HERE'S HOW THE WORLD'S GONNA WORK. 
          I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BETTER WAY TO DO IT. 
          I, I LIKE THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DRAFT OF THAT SO THAT I THINK THAT COUPLES NICE WITH THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE. 
          AND THAT WOULD HELP A LOT OF THE FOLKS WHO HAVE CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS. 
          WHAT DOES THE MANAGEMENT LOOK LIKE? SHOW THAT THIS IS THE DRAFT THAT STAFF IS THINKING OF TO REQUIRING THESE THINGS. 
          YES SIR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THE NEXT ITEM IS THE AMENDMENT UPDATES. 
          SO JESSICA RUTH, YOU'LL OPEN UP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, BEFORE I JUMP IN A TEXT AMENDMENT UPDATE, I'M JUST GONNA GIVE A A QUICK UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE ON OUR HPC UPDATES, WHICH IS ALSO TECHNICALLY AN ORDINANCE UPDATE. 
          UH, YESTERDAY I GOT THE DRAFT THAT THE HPC IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSING AT THEIR MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT TO PUT SOME FINAL TOUCHES ON, UH, BEFORE IT'S RELEASED. 
          IT IS STILL A DRAFT, IT IS STILL 
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A WORKING DRAFT. 
          IT IS STILL HAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD BY THE PUBLIC AROUND IT. 
          UH, HOWEVER, FOR THE LAST FOUR MONTHS WE'VE BEEN MEETING WEEKLY, WE HAVE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS. 
          THE, THE INPUT THAT COMES FROM THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAS KIND OF BEEN FILTERED TO COMMISSIONER THOMPSON ON THE HPC WHO HAS BEEN SPEAR SPEARHEADING PUTTING TOGETHER, UH, THIS DRAFT FOR US TO USE. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK MUCH DIFFERENT THAN IT DOES NOW. 
          WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOK THROUGH IT, YOU WILL SEE STRAIGHT THROUGH TEXT. 
          THAT MEANS WE ARE PROPOSING TO GET RID OF SOMETHING. 
          THE TEXT YOU SEE IN RED, LIKE ANY OTHER MOCKED UP DOCUMENT IS TEXTS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD. 
          I CAN SAY, UH, WHEN IT CAME TO THE USE OF ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS ON PRIMARY CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, THEY ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY CHANGES ON THOSE PRIMARY STRUCTURES. 
          IT IS NOT DUE TO A LACK OF CONVERSATION ON THE TOPIC. 
          I THINK YOU WILL SEE CONVERSATION AT THE MEETING LAST NIGHT, WHICH WILL BE BROADCAST OR TOMORROW NIGHT, TOMORROW EVENING. 
          UM, WHY, WHY THEY LANDED ON THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          THEY STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO WORK THROUGH TOMORROW EVENING ON MATERIALS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE ON ADDITIONS TO CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT ARE IN THE REAR AND IN THE TERTIARY WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE. 
          YOU ARE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF DEFINITIONS UPDATED, A LOT OF TEXT CHANGES, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WERE PROBLEMATIC WITH WERE CHOICES THAT HAVE BEEN HIGHLIGHTED BY THE PUBLIC OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO HAVE BEEN RESOLVED IN THIS DRAFT. 
          AND SO YOU LOOK FORWARD, UH, WHERE THEY LAND TOMORROW OF GETTING ALL THESE DOCUMENTS, UM, POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE ON THURSDAY MORNING. 
          AND, UH, FROM THERE GOING THROUGH AND SOLICITING PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          WE HAVE SCHEDULED A PUBLIC COMMENT MEETING TO TAKE PLACE TUESDAY, JULY 7TH AT FIVE 30. 
          IT WILL BE BROADCAST LIVE LAST WEEK STUFF. 
          UH, WE PUT TOGETHER NOTIFICATIONS FOR ALL 1033 PROPERTY OWNERS IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          THEY WILL ALL RECEIVE MAIL NOTIFICATIONS. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          WE ARE DOING THAT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE, UM, GET THE WORD OUT TO ANYONE WHO MIGHT WANT IT. 
          I'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO MOST OF OUR HPC INFLUENCERS, ANYONE I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ABOUT HPCI KNOW IS INTERESTED IN THIS TOPIC, LIKES TO STAY UP TO DATE ON IT. 
          WE'VE SHARED IT WITH 'EM AND WE HAVE ALSO TOLD THEM, TELL A FRIEND, GET THIS OUT THERE. 
          SO WE HAVE ABOUT A MONTH TO WORK WITH TO GET THIS OUT. 
          I WANT ANYONE THAT, THAT WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW THIS MEETING'S HAPPENING. 
          WE HAVE ALSO SET UP A SPECIAL EMAIL ADDRESS WHERE IF YOU CANNOT ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS, YOU CAN STILL PROVIDE COMMENTS THAT WE'LL GET TO STAFF AND THE BOARD ON THIS. 
          UM, ONCE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT MEETING TAKES PLACE ON JULY 7TH, WE WILL SEE IF THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON. 
          I DO NOT ANTICIPATE THAT TO BE THE CASE. 
          UM, OR IF WE ARE READY TO MOVE IT TO PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, THIS IS TECHNICALLY A TEXT AMENDMENT LIKE ANY OTHER ORDINANCE THAT FALLS UNDER ONE 60 D IS. 
          SO WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT RECOMMENDATION COME FROM THE PLANNING BOARD BEFORE WE CAN ADVANCE IT ALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AT YOUR MEETINGS. 
          AND AFTER WE GET THROUGH THE MEETING ON JULY 7TH, I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT I THINK THE BEST NEXT STEP IS. 
          I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED THE WAY IT'S TRACKING. 
          WE HAVE A VERY, VERY HEAVY PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AGENDA TRACKING FOR JULY. 
          IT WAS HEAVY BEFORE THE JUNE MEETING NEEDED TO BE CANCELED. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S GOING TO BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT SUCH A LARGE, UH, VERY HIGHLIGHTED TOPIC ON THAT AGENDA. 
          SO IT MAY HAVE TO BE RELATED LETTER MONTH, BUT WE'LL CIRCLE BACK. 
          WE'LL GET THAT INPUT. 
          LET'S GET THROUGH, SEE THIS DRAFT TOMORROW AND HAVE OUR SPECIAL MEETING ON THE SEVENTH. 
          AGAIN, I'M JUST HIGHLIGHTING THIS, UH, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCH THIS AT HOME AND THE MORE TIMES I CAN SAY WE'RE HAVING THIS WEEK, PLEASE COME SHARE WITH US THE BETTER. 
          I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THE DOWN ZONING BILL, BUT, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF THINGS AND WE'VE TALKED THIS TO DEATH RIGHT NOW. 
          NOTHING'S CHANGED. 
          WE STILL NEED THINGS IN. 
          OUR ORDINANCE CHANGED. 
          AND SO WE HAVE PROCEEDED WITH STARTING A PACKAGE OF TEXT AMENDMENTS TO BRING FOR TO THIS FORWARD TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND THEN TO YOU ALL, UH, THAT WE FEEL WE CAN EFFECTIVELY MAKE CHANGES IN THE ORDINANCE WE'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, WITHOUT A RISK OF ANY LITIGATION OR DOWN ZONING THINGS. 
          THE THINGS THAT WE ARE STARTING TO WORK ON, UM, WE'VE BEEN MEETING ABOUT ONCE A WEEK ON THIS IN OUR NEXT STEP IS SO THE ATTORNEYS IN AND SEE WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN WITH THIS SO THEY CAN GUIDE US AS WELL. 
          UM, OUR TOPICS THAT ARE VERY TIME CONSUMING TOPICS, UH, TOPICS THAT IF WE MAKE SOME CHANGES WE CAN MAKE IT EASIER AND FASTER TO GET APPROVALS OUT THE DOOR AND TO MAKE 
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THINGS CLEARER. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF ITEMS ON HERE WE'RE JUST GETTING A WHOLE LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT AND WHETHER WE WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE OR NOT, I THINK IT'S TIME TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ON 'EM. 
          ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT COMES UP VERY FREQUENTLY IS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. 
          WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE 'EM. 
          WE GET ASKED ABOUT IT EVERY DAY, WHERE CAN I PUT AN ACCESSORY DEVELOPING UNIT? AND SO I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          MOST OF THE TIME THEY ARE NOT RELATED TO AIRBNBS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THE REASONS BEHIND IT IS SOMEBODY HAS AN AGING PARENT AND THEY WANT THEM CLOSER. 
          OR, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          YOUNG, YOUNG ADULT CHILDREN NOT HAVING A PLACE TO GO. 
          THAT'S TYPICALLY WHY PEOPLE CALL AND ASK THE QUESTION. 
          ALTHOUGH ONCE YOU START ALLOWING ACCESSORY DELIGHT, YOU NEED TO CONSIDER WHERE AND HOW YOU ALLOW 'EM. 
          SO PUTTING THAT ON THE RADAR THERE. 
          WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT MURALS AND WHETHER OR NOT WORDS ARE APPROPRIATE ON MURALS WOULD NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO CLARIFY THAT WHEN A QUESTION GETS ASKED. 
          ADULT DAYCARE IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GETTING ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON. 
          APPARENTLY THERE'S A NEED FOR IT OR ELSE THEY WOULDN'T BE ASKING THAT. 
          I MENTIONED ADULTHOOD CARE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME VERY CONFUSING, NOT ALWAYS MAKING SENSE LANGUAGE REGARDING REGULAR DAYCARES AND EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION CENTERS. 
          AND THEY'RE ALL DEFINED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AND ALLOWED IN VARIOUS PLACES. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT, TIGHTEN IT UP. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE ALWAYS NEED TO REALLY REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO OPEN A DAYCARE IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH. 
          IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, I THINK IT'D BE PERFECTLY FAIR TO SAY THIS IS A PERMIT THAT JUST STOPS AFTER DEVELOPMENT REVEAL THE SAME THING. 
          AND I'M, I'M MENTIONING THIS TO GET YOU ALL THINKING ABOUT THIS 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHICH DIRECTION TO GO, BUT CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, AND FRATERNAL ORGANIZATIONS, THEY'RE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE TREATED THE SAME BY FEDERAL LAW. 
          THAT MEANING THEY'RE ALL SPECIAL USE PERMITS OR THEY'RE ALL NOT SPECIAL USE PERMITS. 
          OURS IS NOT QUITE THAT CONSISTENT. 
          AND WHEN WE MAKE THE CHANGE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT IS. 
          BUT I'M GONNA COME RECOMMENDED, UH, RECOMMENDING THAT WE ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS ON THOSE USES. 
          BECAUSE MANY TIMES, UM, YOU SAY, OH, YOU NEED A SPECIAL USE FOR PERMIT FOR A CHURCH, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          LIKE, YOU'RE GONNA GO, YOU'RE GONNA THINK IT'S TEMPLE BAPTIST. 
          LIKE YEAH, WE WANT YOU TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          THIS IS HUGE. 
          YOU REALLY ARE IN MUSIC. 
          YOU'VE GOT A PARKING LOT THE SIZE OF A MALL. 
          THOSE ARE TYPES OF THINGS WE WANT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR IT. 
          THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU WANT TO START UP A A CHURCH IN A STRIP MALL THAT ALREADY EXISTS, YOU ARE GOING THROUGH THAT SAME EXACT PROCESS AND THERE'S REALLY NO MEAT AND CLEAN WAY FOR STAFF TO SAY YOU DON'T NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          I'D LIKE IT TO LOOK NEAT AND CLEAN EITHER WAY SO WE DON'T HAVE TO KIND OF CALL JAMIE UP A BUNCH OF TIMES A WEEK AND SAY, ARE WE INTERPRETING THIS RIGHT? IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT WORK FOR THIS OR THAT. 
          SO ADDING CLARITY IN THAT FIXES A LOT OF PROBLEMS AND GOING THROUGH THE USE CHART, NOT JUST ON THOSE THINGS BUT ON SOME OTHER THINGS THAT BACK IN THE DAY, PROBABLY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT MAYBE DON'T ANYMORE. 
          BECAUSE THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT I GET AND I KNOW YOU HEAR IS HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          AND THAT'S EXACERBATED BY THE FACT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SURVEY WHETHER YOU'RE GOING INTO A SHOPPING CENTER OR NOT. 
          THAT'S THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN. 
          UM, SO IN BLACK AND WHITE, THE LAW SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS WHEN IT'S NOT ADDING ANY VALUE OR HELPING US MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S FIX THAT RIGHT AWAY WITH IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT. 
          I WON'T GET INTO DETAILS OF THAT. 
          SOME OF THESE ARE JUST KIND OF MINOR THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FIXED OVER THE YEARS. 
          A COUPLE OF REQUIREMENTS IN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE MOBILE HOMES BEING PROHIBITED RIGHT NOW IN THE RDC OVERLAY. 
          UM, WE ARE STANDING PREPARED TO MAKE SEVERAL TEXT AMENDMENTS WHEN WE GET A RECOMMENDATION THAT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD FROM THE RBC THE SAME WAY THE HBC WILL BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE P AND C ON THEIR TEXT AMENDMENT. 
          UH, YOU'RE GONNA START HEARING ABOUT DATA CENTERS. 
          , I'M NOT GONNA SAY TOO MUCH ABOUT DATA CENTERS. 
          OUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY REALLY CALL THIS STUFF OUT, BUT NOR DOES ANYBODY ELSE'S AND KIND OF NEED TO FIND RIGHT NOW THE WAY THE LAW IS WRITTEN, A SIMILAR USE IF SOMEBODY WAS TO COME ASK FOR ONE TODAY. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SOME PREPARATION IN OUR ORDINANCE. 
          ALL OF OUR CODES ACTUALLY FOR WHEN THAT STARTS HITTING NEW BURN. 
          ANOTHER THING I DON'T THINK REEF SHOULD REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS A PARKING LOT. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD JUST A PARKING LOT, YOU'RE NORMALLY BUILDING THAT 'CAUSE YOU OWN ANOTHER BUSINESS CLOSER BY. 
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WHY ARE WE MAKING YOU GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND DO ALL THIS WORK TO SET UP THAT PARKING LOT? I'M NOT SURE. 
          AND SOME OF YOU GUYS MAY HAVE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE THAT I DON'T HAVE, BUT SOME OF THESE COMMON SENSE THINGS THAT ARE TAKING A REALLY LONG TIME AND A LOT OF PAPERWORK AND REQUIRE THIS SURVEY AND APPRAISERS REPORTS AND THINGS I'M GOING TO BE SEEKING TO GET RID OF THROUGH A TEXT AMENDMENT. 
          THE NEXT TWO BIG THINGS I SAY ARE OUR SIGN ORDINANCE. 
          YOU NEED A PHD TO BE ABLE TO APPLY PART OF IT. 
          I'M PAYING A CONSULTANT. 
          WE ALL ARE PAYING A CONSULTANT TO HELP US CLEAN UP OUR LAND USE ORDINANCE COMPREHENSIVELY. 
          HE'S GOING TO BE WRITING US A SIGN ORDINANCE ANYWAYS. 
          UH, IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SIGN ORDINANCE, I WILL DIRECT HIM TOMORROW THAT THAT'S THE NEXT PRODUCT WE'D LIKE TO SEE. 
          'CAUSE HE'S NOT BEEN DOING ANYTHING FOR US RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD REALLY HELP US. 
          UM, AND MAYBE EVEN PULLING THE SIGNS OUT. 
          ALLOW US TO HAVE A, A MORE FOCUSED CONVERSATION JUST ON SIGNS. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO TRACK THAT FORWARD AS WELL. 
          AND THOSE ARE MY UPDATES RIGHT NOW. 
          NOT, NOT MUCH TODAY, BUT WE ARE INTENDING ON BRINGING YOU EITHER A LARGE PACKAGE OR SEVERAL SMALLER PACKAGE OF CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE WITH THE, THE HOPES THAT WE CAN MAKE THINGS EASIER, FASTER, AND MAKE SOME MORE SENSE. 
          SO ONE, UM, IT SEEMED TO ME LIKE 30 YEARS WHEN WE WERE DOING ZONING CHANGES THAT THE, THE CHECKS AND BALANCES OF, OF A CONTROVERSIAL OR A CHANGE IN ZONING WAS THAT WELL WE'VE ALWAYS, WE STILL GOT THE SPECIAL USE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN FINE TUNE ANOTHER SPECIAL USE. 
          SO NOW ON ONE HAND WE'RE USING SPECIAL USE TO CHANGE ZONING THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO ZONE AND CHANGE THAT THE CATCH IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE LIT TEST IS GONNA BE THE SPECIAL USE. 
          SO NOW YOU'RE SAYING GET RID OF SPECIAL. 
          I I'M NOT SAYING TO GET RID OF ESPECIALLY USELESS HAVE A TIME AND A PLACE AND THEY'RE VERY EFFECTIVE. 
          WE, WE JUST HAD A GREAT EXAMPLE LAST WEEK ON THE DOGS. 
          WE DON'T WANNA ALLOW, LIKE PROBABLY DON'T WANNA ALLOW OUTSIDE DOG USES WITHOUT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          IN SOME AREAS SAY BEING ABLE TO ASK FOR CONDITIONS. 
          THE DOGS HAVE TO BE GONE BY A NINE. 
          WE NEED A EIGHT FOOT TALL FENCE, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. 
          I'M NOT, WE'RE NOT GETTING OUT SPECIAL USE PERMITS. 
          HOWEVER, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS I JUST LISTED, I AM PROPOSING TO SAY LET'S REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT. 
          YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE GOING TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, HAVING AN APPRAISER'S REPORT, GETTING A SURVEY DOESN'T ALWAYS MAKE SENSE. 
          AND SO FOR THINGS THAT FALL IN THAT CATEGORY IS WHERE YOU WOULD SEE SOME PROPOSED CHANGES IN THE USE CHART. 
          THERE WOULD STILL BE A, A SPECIAL USE, UH, PROCESS. 
          IT JUST WOULDN'T APPLY TO IF, IF WE WERE TO ADOPT THESE PROPOSED CHANGES. 
          CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, FRATERNAL CLUBS, INDIVIDUAL PARKING LOTS, YOU KNOW, UH, DAYCARES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          OR MAYBE JUST INSERT ZONES. 
          WE'LL REALLY LOOK, LOOK AT THE ZONES. 
          'CAUSE IN SOME ZONES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THESE THINGS IS STILL VALID, IS STILL REQUIRED. 
          BUT WE'RE IN AN UNUSUAL POINT WHERE WE'RE GETTING MORE COMPLAINTS ABOUT HAVING TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE. 
          AND IT'S VERY, VERY, VERY TIME CONSUMING FOR STAFF TO EXPLAIN THIS PROCESS. 
          IT'S NOT USUALLY IT'S JUST ONCE FOR SOMEBODY DOING THIS THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE TYPICALLY TALKED TO KENDRICK MANY TIMES THEY END UP TALKING TO JAMIE OR SCOTT AFTER THAT THEY COME BACK CONFUSED, THEN THEY GET RIGHT, THEY UNDERSTAND, THEN THEY REALIZE WHAT IT COSTS TO GO GET A SURVEYOR OR TO UM, GO GET AN APPRAISER'S REPORT. 
          AND THEN THEY REALIZE, WELL DANG THE, THESE, THESE PROFESSIONALS ARE BACKED UP THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. 
          THEY CAN'T EVEN GET ME TO DOCUMENT. 
          I NEED TO HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION. 
          THEN THE STAFF TELLS YOU, I'M SORRY YOU DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION. 
          THEY RUN INTO YOU ALL COMPLAINING ABOUT KINDRED TELLING 'EM WELL THEY DON'T HAVE. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          'CAUSE WE, WE DEAL WITH IT EVERY DAY AS WELL. 
          AND ANY OPPORTUNITY I HAVE TO ELIMINATE THOSE CONVERSATIONS STILL GET QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND NOT HAVE TO PUT PEOPLE THROUGH ALL THAT I'M GONNA TAKE RIGHT NOW. 
          WELL, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE THAT THERE'LL BE TIMES WHERE YOU COULD MAYBE DO AN ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIAL USE AND THEN OTHER TIMES THE MORE ADJUSTMENTS MIGHT DO ONE. 
          IF I, IF I WERE IN YOUR OFFICE THERE AND I HAD SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL AS TO WAY WITHOUT A SPECIAL USE, A PARKING LOT WAS GOING TO UNLOAD TRAFFIC IN ORDERLY INTO AN AREA THAT IS NOT USED TO IT, I'D WANT, I'D WANT THE BOARD ADJUSTMENTS, 
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UM, DECIDING THAT SPECIAL USE FOR ME VERSUS STAFF DOING IT ADMINISTRATIVELY THAT IT FALLS BACK ON STAFF. 
          YOU CAN'T DO THAT, THAT'S FINE. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH THAT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, I THINK POINT OUTLAW, I DON'T THINK ONE 60 B ALLOWS FOR STAFF TO MAKE QUASI-JUDICIAL FINDINGS THAT REQUIRE THE DISCUSS USE PERMIT PROCESS. 
          SO IF A USE IS DESIGNATED TO BE A SPECIAL USE BY LAW, IT HAS TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR WHEREVER THE, THE MUNICIPALITY, WHATEVER BOARD THE MUNICIPALITY DESIGNATES TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS. 
          AND I THINK WHAT MS RULE IS SAYING IS WE COULD BE A BIT MORE SURGICAL AND MAKING SURE WE BALANCE THOSE FACTORS THAT MIGHT TEND TOWARDS THE SPECIAL USE TO MAKE SURE THAT USES THAT DO NOT HAVE, UM, THE PROPENSITY TO HAVE SUBSTANTIAL IMPACTS ON A JOINT OR ABUT LAND USES SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A MORE STREAMLINED EFFICIENT PROCESS. 
          WELL, ONCE I HERE, LIKE ON HPC, SOMETIMES SOME THINGS ARE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED AND OTHER THINGS ARE NOT. 
          THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS, I THINK TO OUTLAW'S POINT, I MEAN WHAT, AT LEAST HOW I'M GONNA TRANSLATE IT, I THINK IS WHAT HE'S SAYING. 
          A LOT OF THESE USAGES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, HE ELIMINATED THE SPECIAL USE REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS SEVEN 50 FOR PERMIT. 
          YOU GET YOUR SURVEY, YOU GOTTA GET AN APPRAISAL. 
          UM, IT TAKES, I MEAN, MONTHS AND MONTHS TO GET BEFORE ADJUSTMENT. 
          YOU GO DO THAT. 
          I MEAN, TO EXPEDITE THAT, YOU CAN HAVE A USE AS A PERMITTED, YOU KNOW, PERMIT AS A MATTER OF RIGHT. 
          WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO PARKING LOT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. 
          YOU'RE ALLOWED IN A PARKING LOT, BUT WE'RE GONNA SAY IT'S GOTTA BE, YOU KNOW, THIS DIMENSION BY RATIO AND OUR ARGUMENTS ALREADY KICKS IN. 
          IF YOU'RE A BUDDYING RESIDENTIAL, YOU'VE GOT A LARGER BUFFER YOU'VE GOTTA PUT IN. 
          BUT CHECKS AND AMOUNTS ISN'T THERE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S COMMON SENSE. 
          I MEAN, THE MOST RECENT ONE IS THE CHURCH THAT WAS GOING BY THE HIGH SCHOOL AND A STRIP MALL'S BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS THAT WE'RE REQUIRING THEM BECAUSE OF OUR ORDINANCE TO GET THE SURVEY AND ALL THIS PERMITTING. 
          IT'S NOT CHANGING THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING. 
          IT'S LESS INTENSE THAN A GYMNASIUM 24 7. 
          IT'S A CHURCH OPEN ONE OR TWO DAYS A WEEK AND IT'S JUST LUDICROUS BACK. 
          SO I, I'M WONDERING THAT, I MEAN, IN THAT SITUATION, IS THERE A WAY, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU ON SOME, ON THE USE YOU JUST LISTED, ELIMINATING SPECIAL USE PERMIT, ADDING SOME DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT IS THERE, I WOULD THINK THERE'S A WAY TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF SITE PLAN TO INCLUDE YES, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A STRUCTURE, YOU GOTTA HAVE A SURVEY. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, ON A VACANT LINE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME NEW STRUCTURE VERSUS IF IT'S AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, WE'RE GONNA ACCEPT THIS OR THIS AND YOU'RE ABLE TO HAVE, BUT I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A BROADER CONVERSATION, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S TO THE'S POINT, MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER TO, I DO THINK SPECIAL IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL TO GET TO ADD CONDITIONS TOO. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S, OF, OF THE THINGS YOU JUST LISTED THOUGH, WHAT I READ THAT I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN US EXPEDITING CONSIDERATION OF IS THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. 
          AND I GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WE CAN PUT ON DATA CENTERS, I THINK IS A GOOD WORTHWHILE CONVERSATION. 
          AND THEN THE SIGN ORDINANCE, I COMPLETELY AGREE, NEEDS TO BE, RE NEEDS TO BE REWRITTEN SO THAT ANYBODY WHO READS IT CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT AMBIGUOUS. 
          SO ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE NOW WAS SCHEDULED TO BE RESOLVED IN THE NEW ORDINANCE WAS VERY SPECIFIC, UH, CRITERIA OF WHAT YOU NEED TO SUBMIT, WHAT IS ON THE SITE PLAN FOR WHAT TYPE OF PROJECT THINGS THAT ARE IN MODERN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT ARE NOT IN OURS. 
          MAKING IT VERY CLEAR SAYING, I'M ASKING FOR THIS BECAUSE IT LISTS RIGHT HERE IN THE LAW, BUT THIS NEEDS TO BE ON THERE. 
          UM, AND IT'S SET UP WITH A CHART FOR LIKE MINOR DEVELOPMENT, MAJOR DEVELOPMENT OR BASIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND IT'S AN, AND THE REQUIREMENTS TO GO ON THE SITE PLAN INCREASE WITH THE LEVEL OF SOPHISTICATION OF THE PROJECT YOU'RE DOING. 
          AND SO GIVEN THIS IS PARTIALLY DRAFTED ALREADY, WHAT I SUSPECT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER I GET THROUGH THESE THINGS IS WE START BRINGING PIECES THAT HAVE BEEN PROFESSIONALLY DRAFTED. 
          I DID NOT WANT TO DO THIS, I DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT LEFT WITH MUCH OF A CHOICE. 
          BUT TAKING THAT, FINISHING THOSE A PIECE AT A TIME, BRINGING 'EM IN AND INCORPORATING THEM INTO WHAT WE HAVE NOW WITH THE HOPES THAT SOMEDAY WE PUT IT ALL BACK IN THE PRETTY VERSION TOGETHER. 
          BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRACKING WITH. 
          THESE ARE CHANGES WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE CAPABLE OF MAKING, UH, YOU KNOW, IN CONJUNCTION WITH SCOTT AND JAMIE AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO BRINGING THEM TO YOU AND HOPEFULLY CUT DOWN ON SOME OF THESE DELAYS AND COMPLAINTS FROM TOO BAD THE 
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ING LANGUAGE WASN'T INCLUDED ON THE BUDGET. 
          YEAH, BY WAY OF REPORT. 
          I JUST LOOK, THE POLITICAL BILL DESIGN TO HELD US WITH THIS DOWN ZONING ISSUE HAS NOT MADE OUT THE RULES COMMITTEE. 
          SO IF SOMETHING TELLS ME IT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET IT. 
          SO WE'LL START IN THIS WAY AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PREFER A LARGE, LARGE CHUNK OR IF YOU'D RATHER THEM, UM, A COUPLE PACKAGE THIS ONE AND WE'LL GET THERE AS WE START HAVING THINGS READY. 
          I MEAN, MY PREFERENCE IS, I MEAN, SOME OF THIS STUFF NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP AND IT'S THE SAME WAY I FEEL ABOUT SOME OF THESE NON PROJECTS IS LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON JUST AS IT COMES. 
          READY, LET'S SEE IT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT WAITING AROUND FOR IT. 
          THIS IS KIND OF THE BEST WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I I I'M PLEASED TO SEE THAT'S, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MR. HUG, YOU WANT SKIP ITEM NUMBER 11? YES. 
          WE'LL SKIP NUMBER 11 IN THE TIME WE HAVE TO THE ELECTRIC WORKING GROUP. 
          OKAY. 
          12 ELECTRIC WORKING GROUP. 
          ALL THAT GROUP IS GIVEN US AN UPDATE. 
          TAKE A GUESS, MR. MAYOR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE, UH, UM, CONTINUALLY MEET AND DISCUSS. 
          WE MET SHORTLY YESTERDAY. 
          UM, UH, SEVERAL ITEMS. NUMBER ONE, UM, GETTING CONSENSUS ON THE CAPITAL UPGRADE INITIATIVE. 
          A FIVE YEAR PLAN, UM, HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. 
          UM, I I'LL LET THE OTHER MEMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. 
          I, I I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          I'M NOT, SO WE'RE GOING DO IT THE SOONER THE BETTER. 
          JUST LIKE SOME OF THINGS THAT, UH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY CHEAPER. 
          WE DO HAVE A PHENOMENAL AMOUNT OF GROWTH IN . 
          UH, THAT'S THE ONE THING. 
          THE OTHER THING WOULD BE EITHER PROVIDE GETTING OUR POWER THROUGH A WHOLESALE ARRANGEMENT DIRECTLY WITH DO, UH, ENERGY, UH, ARE THE CURRENT SYSTEM OF 32 CITIES WITHIN THE KEMP. 
          UM, CERTAINLY THERE WOULD BE ADVANTAGES TO STAYING WITHIN THE KEMP THAT THE, THE SAFE HARBOR OF, UM, ELECTRICITIES, UH, IN THE KEMP ITSELF AND, AND ALL OF THE, THE PROCESS OF, UH, THAT PART MODEL. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING IS, AGAIN, TO GO OUT LIKE, UM, SOME OTHER CITIES IN ABOUT FIVE, UM, ONE THAT I'M THINKING OF, THE BIGGER GRID WOULD BE FAYETTEVILLE. 
          UM, SO FROM THAT, I THINK WHAT I, MY THOUGHT ON IT IS GOING DOWN TO IS, IS UM, I USED THE EXAMPLE OF, UM, EASTERN CAROLINA COUNCIL GOVERNMENT, WHICH USED TO COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS, UM, WAS A NICE MODEL FOR SMALLER CITIES THAT DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF STAFF. 
          UM, AND I THINK UBER WISELY FIGURED AT SOME POINT SMARTLY FIGURED THAT WE, UH, WERE NOT IN NEED OF THEIR RESOURCES. 
          SO SIMILARLY THE QUESTION I'VE TRIED TO ANSWER FOR MYSELF IS, NEW BERN IS LARGE ENOUGH ELECTRIC GRID TO GO OFF ON A SONG LIKE PAY, KNOWING THAT THEY'RE, UH, PRESENTLY IS CONSULTING SERVICES OF ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR THAT WE PROBABLY COULD NOT DO IT ANY CHEAPER ON OUR OWN AND THE NEEDS OF GETTING A CONSULTANT TO ADVISE US AS TO WHICH ONCE AND FOREVER MAKE OUR MARK, BECAUSE REALLY JUNE OF NEXT YEAR IS, IS GONNA BE AROUND CORNER AND WE'RE TO MAKE THIS DECISION ANYWAY. 
          SO JUST TO KIND OF FRAME AUBURN OUT COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD FORMED THE WORKING GROUP FOR THE ELECTRIC AND KIND OF TASKED US WITH LOOKING AT ALL OPTIONS. 
          AND, AND WE DID LOOK AT ALL OPTIONS FOR WHOLESALE POWER SUPPLY. 
          WE LOOKED AT SOME FORM OF CONSOLIDATION WITH, UH, FAYETTEVILLE OR ANOTHER KIND OF UTILITY COMMISSION. 
          WE, WE LOOKED AT POTENTIAL ASSET SALE TO DUKE. 
          WE LOOKED AT STAYING THE COURSE WITH OUR  WHOLESALE CONTRACT, AND THEN WE LOOKED AT CONTRACTING DIRECTLY WITH DUKE. 
          UM, I'LL TELL YOU THAT FROM THE CONVERSATIONS AND MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THOSE DIFFERENT ENTITIES, THERE'S NO ABILITY FOR US TO PARTNER WITH A SEPARATE UTILITY LIKE FAYETTEVILLE. 
          AND THAT'S NOT REALLY ON THE TABLE. 
          WE MET WITH DUKE'S HEAD OF OPERATIONS FOR THE 
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THIS REGION, UM, AND THEY IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS SAID THAT THEY HAD ZERO INTEREST IN ANY KIND OF ASSET ACQUISITION, THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO BUY OUR UTILITY. 
          UM, PART OF THAT IS THEY HAVE A MAJOR CAPITAL PLAN FOR THE STATE THAT THEY ARE UNDERGOING. 
          THEY ALSO ARE GOING THROUGH A MERGER, AS YOU ALL KNOW, BETWEEN THE, UH, DUKE ENERGY PROGRESS AND, UM, DUKE ENERGY, THE, THAT MERGER. 
          THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN ACQUIRING ANY KIND OF ASSET, ESPECIALLY THE ONE THAT HAS DEPRECIATED, UH, TO, TO THE POINT OF HOURS. 
          UM, AND SO WITH THAT OFF THE TABLE, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE TWO ONLY OPTIONS FOR WHOLESALE, WHICH IS STATING MC, KEMBA OR, UM, CONTRACT ING TO DUKE. 
          THE REASON I SAY THERE'S ONLY TWO OPTIONS ARE CURRENT CONTRACT. 
          IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WITH MC KEMBA LIMITS ANY KIND OF ASSET SALE ONLY TO DUKE. 
          AND SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE CONTRACTUALLY TIED. 
          EVEN IF IT WANTED TO SELL TO SOMEONE ELSE, WE COULDN'T DO THAT. 
          UM, AND SO THE, THE ONLY OPTIONS, LIKE I SAID, OF THOSE TWO FOR WHOLESALE, UM, AUBURN OUTLAW TALKS ABOUT JUNE NEXT YEAR UNDER THE CONTRACT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          WE HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE TO MC KEMBA EMBA IN JUNE OF 2027, I BELIEVE, OF IF WE ARE GOING TO STAY WITH THEM OR IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER WHOLESALE, UH, POWER SUPPLY CONTRACT IF WE DO ANOTHER WHOLESALE POWER SUPPLY CONTRACT THAT WILL TAKE EFFECT IN 2032. 
          SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY A 2027 NOTICE WITH A 2032, UH, TERMINATION. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S THE, THOSE ARE THE DATES. 
          UM, AND SO WE DID, SO THEN WE TALKED DIRECTLY WITH DUKE WHOLESALER WHO, UM, IS WILLING TO CONTRACT WITH US. 
          SO WE CAN ESSENTIALLY CUT OUT THE MIDDLEMAN WITH THE KIMBA. 
          SO WE, THE UNKNOWN THERE BECOMES WHAT IS THE COST, WHAT IS THE COST OF MC KEMBA AND THEIR CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION VERSUS IF WE DID IT ON OUR END IN HOUSE AND IS THERE A COST SAVINGS? RIGHT NOW, MCPA SAYS IT'S A $1.1 MILLION, UH, CONTRACT WITH MULTIPLE SERVICES THAT THEY OBVIOUSLY SAID THAT WE, UH, ARE GETTING AT A DISCOUNT BECAUSE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY GROUP PURCHASING INSTEAD OF DOING IT ON OUR OWN. 
          UM, DUKE IS SUPPOSED TO BE PREPARING US A TERM SHEET FOR A WHOLESALE CONTRACT. 
          UH, THERE'S SOME LEGAL IMPLICATIONS WITH THAT. 
          AND SO WE'VE TIED IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO LOOK AT THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS OF GOING THROUGH THAT CONTRACT PROCESS. 
          SO THIS IS REALLY MORE OF AN UPDATE FOR THE BOARD TO SAY, WE'VE WORKED DILIGENTLY AT THE WHOLESALE POWER SUPPLY CONTRACTS AND THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO OPTIONS AND WE'RE TRYING TO ASCERTAIN THE, THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS OF THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THAT STANDS. 
          ONE THING THAT HAS COME OUT OF THAT ENTIRE PROCESS THOUGH HAS BEEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. 
          IT NEEDS MAINTENANCE AT EASE UPGRADES. 
          UM, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S DOOM AND GLOOM BY ANY MEANS, BUT IT IS A LOT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. 
          WE HAVE OVER THE LAST DECADE NOT PUT AS MUCH INTO THAT, UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON. 
          AND WE'VE ALSO TAKEN OUT FROM THE BRAKE STABILIZATION FUND, AND SO WE DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE FUND TO HELP SUBSIDIZE WHEN DUKE GOES UP ON OUR CONTRACT PRICE. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THINGS KIND OF STAND AND WHERE IT'S COME OUT IS I THINK THE THREE OF US ON THE COMMITTEE HAVE REALLY VETTED OVER THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UM, AND REALLY AGREE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING WE NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO. 
          NOW, THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, IF IT'S FUNDED BY REVENUE BOND, A REVENUE BOND IS NOT JUST ON THE ELECTRIC, BUT IT AFFECTS ELECTRIC WASTEWATER AND SEWER, OR SORRY, WASTEWATER AND WATER, UH, AND, UH, SOLID WASTE. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'VE ASKED STAFF TO DO IS WORK WITH THE DIRECTORS TO PUT TOGETHER WHAT IS EVERYONE'S CAPITAL PLAN, HOW DOES IT AFFECT RATES, AND HOW DOES A BOND AFFECT ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT TRIALS? SO WE'RE NOT PUTTING ALL OUR EGGS INTO ELECTRIC AND THEN NEGLECTING WATER AND SEWER WITH A REVENUE BOND. 
          AND I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN THE NEXT TOPIC, BUT I DIDN'T WANNA MENTION THAT. 
          ONE INTERESTING PIECE THAT ALL OF THAT'S RELIGIOUS INFORMATION. 
          I THINK ONE INTERESTING PIECE THAT CAME UP IN TALKING TO DUKE THAT I THINK OUR GROUP NEEDS DIRECTION ON FROM YOU ALL IS DUKE IS NOT INTERESTED AGAIN IN BUYING US OR ANY KIND OF TERRITORY TRADE. 
          THEY ARE HOWEVER INTERESTED, UM, OR WANTING TO SEE OUR LEVEL OF INTEREST IN PROVIDING SERVICE TO HUNTERS BRIDGE. 
          THEY HAVE A MAJOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, WITH A NEW LINE THAT HAS TO GO TO THE CROATAN OUT THERE. 
          AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHERE OUR TRANSMISSION LINE IS, WE COULD, AND I'LL LET CHARLIE SPEAK MORE TO THIS, WE COULD SERVICE THEM AND ADD TO THE CUSTOMER BASE. 
          THERE'S SOME BENEFIT TO THAT KIND OF INFILL FOR PROVIDING ELECTRIC. 
          SO THE IDEA, I THINK THE MAYOR'S TALKED ABOUT IT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY WANNA LOOK AT KEEP EXPANDING, 
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BUT MANAGING WITHIN THE BUBBLE WE CURRENTLY SERVICE. 
          AND SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT WITH THE ELECTRIC, UH, UTILITY DIRECTOR THAT THERE IS ECONOMIC VIABILITY AND US PROVIDING TO HUNTER BRIDGE. 
          UM, AND SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, IS THAT SOMETHING THIS BOARD IS INTERESTED IN? AND IF SO, THEN WE'RE GONNA TELL DUKE WE'RE INTERESTED AND THEN SEE HOW MUCH THEY WANNA PAY US TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO 'EM. 
          AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE WITH DUKE ON ANY KIND OF OUTREACH TO THE HUNTER BRIDGE CUSTOMER BASE, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THIS BOARD WANTS TO DO, I CAN TELL YOU, AND, AND THE THREE OF US DID DISCUSS THIS, BUT I THINK THE THREE OF US, WE VALUE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO HUNTER'S BRIDGE, IF THAT'S SOMETHING HUNDRED BRIDGE CUSTOMERS WANT, THAT WE SEE AS A GOOD LONG TERM INVESTMENT FOR OUR UTILITY FOR A CUSTOMER BASE. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST A STEP TOO FAR FOR OUR GROUP WITHOUT COMING TO THIS FULL BOARD TO GET SOME DIRECTION, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH US MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. 
          SO I THINK, I MEAN, DOES THAT ACCURATELY CHARACTERIZE EVERYTHING WE'VE KIND OF GONE ON OVER THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS? CUSTOMERS? I, I WANT TO SAY TWO THINGS FOLLOW UP ON, UM, WHAT ALMAN FERGUSON HAD TO SAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, 1981 WE DID THIS, THIS IS THE KEMP DEAL AND IT WAS PART OF A, UH, AN INTEREST IN THE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, ET CETERA. 
          UM, AND WE NOW HAVE THAT WOUND UP WITH CHERNOBYL, ANDRE MILE ISLAND AND A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          UM, MY MY, MY CONCERN, UM, WITH EITHER OF THE SUPPLIERS OF ENERGY IN THE FUTURE IS, UM, SOME CATASTROPHIC EVENT AVENUE OF GAS CENTERS OR WHATEVER. 
          UH, AND I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. 
          IT'S AN ANOMALY EVENT THAT COULD BE CATASTROPHIC AND WE'RE LOCKED INTO, WE'RE MORE LIKELY TO BE LOCKED INTO A CATASTROPHIC EVENT LIKE THE CHER NOBLES AND THOSE THINGS WITH, UH, INVOLVEMENT WITH, UM, WE'RE LESS LIKELY TO NOT BE INVOLVED. 
          THAT DIVERSE UNDERGRADUATE MODEL DO WOULD BE THAT WITH A ONE ON ONE. 
          I DON'T SEE FROM EVERYTHING WE RESEARCH, I DON'T SEE IF WE DOUBLE THE SIZE OF OUR GRID, I DON'T SEE A PHENOMENAL DROP IN KILOWATT PRICE PER KILOWATT HOUR. 
          I DO, HOWEVER, IF WE HAVE ELECTRICITY, IF WE HAVE SEWER, I SEE, UH, UH, A LOT OF GROWTH, A LOT OF PROFIT IN THE CITY BECOMING BIGGER WITH AN VALOR TAX BASE. 
          AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I, I TEND TO WANT, UM, I I THINK THAT OUT OF ALL THIS DISCUSSION, THE MORE AND MORE WE HAVE TAUGHT, I'VE SEEN ONE THING THAT I'VE, IN 18 YEARS ON GOVERNMENT, I'VE BEEN LAX ON, AND THAT IS, UM, GOING WITH YOU AND YOUR PREDECESSORS AND, AND, AND TWEAKING MCKEN. 
          UM, IT IT IS HISTORICALLY THE STAFF GOES AND DOES THE DIRTY WORK FOR THE CITY OF NEW AND  BY ATTENDING THOSE MEETINGS AND SOMETIMES DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVE WITH YOU, WHICH IS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. 
          THE QUESTION IS, AS YOU LOOK IN THAT, UH, THE KEA MEETING, WHO THAT'S NOT GETTING PAID A SALARY, LIKE YOU GUYS WANTS TO PUT THAT AMOUNT OF TIME IN TO GET, TO REALLY KNOW THE INS AND OUT, UH, THE KEA AND WHAT IS BEING ADDRESSED IN THE MEETING AND WHAT QUESTIONS AND ACCOUNTABILITY YOU WANT TO PUT ON THAT BOARD OF DIRECTORS. 
          UM, I I WOULD SAY TO THE CITY OF UBER, IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE TEMPLATE, YOU NEED TO GIVE THESE, THESE, THE CITY MANAGER AND THE DIRECTOR OF ELECTRIC SERVICES, WHATEVER THE TITLE IS, YOU NEED TO SUPPORT THEM AND GIVE THEM DIRECTION AND BE THERE FOR THEM BECAUSE NEITHER ONE OF THEM WANT TO GO TO N KELA AND MAKE POLITICAL IDEOLOGY COMMENTS AND DISCOURSE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT ELECTRICITY IN NEW NORTH CAROLINA. 
          IT'S THE JOB OF THE SET ELECTED OFFICIALS TO DO THAT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK WE, WE, WE HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH OF THAT JOB TO EVEN CRITIQUE IT. 
          WE'VE DONE NOTHING. 
          SO I THINK THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY AMEND RIGHT AND WRONGS OF, OF ELECTED LEADERSHIP IF WE ALL START PARTICIPATING MORE IN THE KE AND I SAID SOME THINGS THERE OTHER, I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT I SAID, BUT I HAD SMILES ON A LOT OF FACES IN THERE AND NOBODY, NOBODY WOULD, WOULD BACK ME UP ON 
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WHAT I SAID. 
          AND, UH, BUT THAT I I, I GOT SOME EYEBROWS AND SOME SMILES AND I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE WHO'VE GONE FOR YEARS, SOME, SOME THINGS THAT NEED CORRECTION THERE, AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF WE STAY IN IT. 
          AGREE. 
          SO AGAIN, I THINK WHERE OUR GROUP STANDS NOW, WE'RE STILL ANALYZING TWO OPTIONS FOR WHOLESALE POWER CONTRACT AND SOME LEGAL ISSUES INVOLVED IN THAT TO PRESENT FOR THIS BOARD. 
          BUT THEN AN ISSUE, SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP FROM OUR CONVERSATION WITH DUKE HAS BEEN HUNTER'S RIDGE AND PROVIDING SERVICES. 
          SO CHARLIE CAN ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS ANTICIPATED REVENUE. 
          WELL, CHARLIE, I ASKED A QUESTION, WHAT IS, IS AKIBA THROUGH ELECTRICITIES, WHICH IS AKIBA DOING? AND I ASKED LEGAL COUNCIL IN THEIR POLITICAL LOBBY, WHAT ARE THEY DOING ON BEHALF OF THE 32 CITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COME ON, ON TOP OF THE MERGER? AND I DIDN'T GET MUCH OF AN ANSWER YET. 
          NO, YOU DIDN'T. 
          NOT YOU SAID THE MOST RECENT CONCERN REGARDING THE MERGER BETWEEN DUKE ENERGY PROGRESS TO CAROLINAS WAS ALL SETTLED FOR FE AND HAD A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE CAMPUS SUPPORT BEHIND IT. 
          WHEN IT CAME TO THE PETITION TO THE NORTH CAROLINA PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSIONS. 
          THEY SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE A SAY IN IT, AND NOT ONLY DID WE NOT HAVE A SAY IN IT, BUT THE KE ELECTRICITY STAFF WOULD NOT, UM, GO AND PETITION ON OUR BEHALF, WHICH I FOUND PUZZLING BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A PUBLIC MEETING AND I THOUGHT ALL OF THIS COULD GO AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE WHOLESALE, THEY WERE SAYING WE COULDN'T GO TO THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION BECAUSE EFFECTIVELY WE'RE A WHOLESALE CUSTOMER TOO. 
          I, I, AGAIN, I THINK I JUST NOT GET OFF THE RAILS BECAUSE I WANT THE BOARD TO, TO HAVE HIM TO HEAR FROM YOU ON THE HUNTER'S RIDGE PROPOSITION AND GET SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT THE FULL BOARD WOULD LIKE US TO DO ON THAT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, THERE'S 256 HOMES THAT WE COUNT IF WE WERE TO, UM, TAKE THAT SERVICE AND I SAY TAKE THAT SERVICE, I PROPOSE TO THEM, UM, TAKING OVER THEIR DISTRIBUTION LINE FROM EFFECTIVELY CATFISH LAKE ROAD THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THE FOREST WINDS, ITS WAY DOWN INTO, UH, HUNTERS BRIDGE AREA PERIOD. 
          UM, AND THEY WOULD GIVE US BIG TURNOVER, THOSE ASSETS AND THE EASEMENTS AND RIGHTS OF WIND THAT GO THERE. 
          WE CONVERT THOSE, UM, THOSE HOMES TO, UM, OUR METERING SYSTEM, WHICH WE COULD DO IN ABOUT A DAY. 
          WE COULD PROBABLY GO OUT THERE ON A SATURDAY AND CHANGE ALL THE METERS OUT AND SWITCH 'EM OVER BEFORE THAT HAPPENED. 
          WE'D HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF, UH, UM, REWIRING AND GETTING NICK READY TO GET CLOSE TO CONNECT TO THAT FULL LINE AND TAKE THAT SYSTEM OVER ANNUAL REVENUES. 
          UM, BASED ON OUR RATES TODAY AND BASED ON OUR AVERAGE KILOWATT HOUR BASIS, WHICH IS ABOUT A THOUSAND KILOWATT HOURS, AND THESE ARE LARGER HOMES THAN OUR AVERAGE. 
          UM, BUT USING OUR AVERAGE IS ABOUT FIVE A YEAR ANNUAL REVENUE, UM, POWER SUPPLY EXPENSES ABOUT THREE 25,000 A YEAR IN POWER SUPPLY EXPENSES. 
          SO ANNUAL NET REVENUE REVENUE ABOUT MATERIAL EXPENSES. 
          DO SOME QUICK MATH. 
          IT'S ABOUT A HALF YEAR PAYBACK ON IT. 
          IF WE TAKE 5% OF THE ANNUAL GROSS REVENUES, UM, AND CONTRIBUTE THAT TO THE, UH, GENERAL FUND, IT'S ABOUT 25,000, 26,000 CONTRIBUTION ANNUAL TO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SO, UM, FOR ME, AS AS YOUR DIRECTOR, IT LOOKS LIKE A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. 
          WE COMPARE THIS AGAINST LINE EXTENSION METHODOLOGY OF COSTING THINGS. 
          UM, IT'S A DEAL  BECAUSE OUR LINE EXTENSION AND OUR CONTRIBUTION IS THERE. 
          UM, WE ONLY GET, UM, DEVELOPER ONLY GIVES US A CONTRIBUTION FOR EXTENDING THE LINE. 
          THE TRANSFORMER IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT COST CONTRIBUTION. 
          THE WIRES FROM THE TRANSFORMER TO THE HOUSE ARE NOT PART OF THAT CONTRIBUTION, NOR IS THE METER PART OF THAT CONTRIBUTION FROM THE TRANSFORMER TO THE HOUSE THAT ALL ASSUMED TO BE RECOVERED THROUGH RETAIL RATES. 
          SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE GETTING IT ALL, WE'RE GETTING TRANS, WE'RE GETTING THE LINE EXTENSION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNDERGROUND. 
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WE'RE GETTING THE TRANSFORMER, WE'RE GETTING THE WIRES FROM THE HOUSE, FROM THE TRANSFORMER TO THE HOUSE. 
          NOW WE HAVE TO DO CHANGE METER AND, AND WE'RE GETTING THE HEADACHE AND THE PROBLEM THAT DUKE HAS WITH UNDER BRIDGE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO HOW ARE WE GONNA FIX THE PROBLEM? I THINK THEIR HEADACHE, UM, THE PRIMARY HEADACHE IS IT'S SERVED ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE NATIONAL FOREST ALL THE WAY FROM AUGH. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA CUT OFF THAT EXPOSURE AND SERVE IT, UM, FROM THIS, OUR SYSTEM THAT'S ON RICE CREEK ROAD THAT COMES OUT, UH, EITHER CIRCUIT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT EXPOSURE. 
          UM, THEY HAVE TO CONTAIN THAT LINE THROUGH, UM, THE NATIONAL FORCE NOW THAT, THAT SECTION OF RIGHT OF WAY THAT I MENTIONED BETWEEN COUNTY LINE ROAD AND, UM, CATFISH LAKE ROAD SUGGESTS WE HOLD ONTO THAT, UM, THAT EASEMENT OR RIGHT OF WAY, WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE. 
          UM, BECAUSE IT CAN SERVE THE FUTURE AS THAT AREA BETWEEN COUNTY LINE ROAD AND CATFISH LAKE ROAD BUILDS OUT, WHICH I SPECULATE IT'S GOING TO, THAT GIVES US ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY SO THAT, THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT FROM THE BACKSIDE. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK IN ADDITION TO MEDIA LOVE, IT REALLY PUTS US IN A GREAT POSITION FOR OUR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UM, OUT IN THAT AREA. 
          I, I SEE OUR ATTORNEYS LEFT, BUT MAYBE THIS IS JUST ME, BUT I I DON'T REALLY WANT TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. 
          THIS IS ABOUT A CONTRACT NEGOTIATION YES. 
          WITH A VENDOR. 
          THIS SHOULD NOT BE DONE IN THE, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEGOTIATING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND I I'M NOT, I'M NOT AT THE POINT WHERE I WON'T SAY ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT, I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT INTERESTED OR I'M INTERESTED, BUT I, I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS IN PERSON, QUALIFY DISCUSSION. 
          MR. IF, IF IF DON'T SAY THAT. 
          IF, IF THAT'S HOW YOU FEEL. 
          I THINK, AND AGAIN, I THINK UNDER GENERAL STATUTE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF THAT'S HOW THE BOARD WANTED TO PROCEED. 
          I THINK WHAT I WOULD DO, WHAT I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE DOING IS WE HAVE THIS FURTHER DISCUSSION, ACTUAL CONTRACT NEGOTIATION DISCUSSIONS IN CLOSED SESSION AT OUR JULY MEETING WHERE THERE HAS BEEN A CLOSED SESSION BE ADVERTISED. 
          IF THAT'S HOW THE BOARD WANTS TO, I HAVE A LOT OF THINGS I'M READY TO SAY I'M NOT TO RIGHT NOW. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          CAN THIS BE DISCUSSED IN JULY'S CLOSE MEETING AND CLOSED SESSION? SURE. 
          IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE IN THE WORKING GROUP, WE'LL WE'LL GO TO THE REVENUE BOND. 
          KIM, I'LL LET YOU GO AHEAD. 
          AND SO, UM, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, MAJOR IMPROVE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED FOR WATER, SEWER, ELECTRIC UTILITIES ORDER TO FUND THESE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THE CITY MUST SEEK FINANCING FOR THOSE REVENUE BONDS ARE FROM CUSTOMER SERVICE FEES AND CURRENTLY THE CITY DOES HAVE A COMBINED REVENUE NON PRIOR TO SEEKING APPROVAL BY THE LDC. 
          THE CITY HAS, UM, SOME WORK TO DO THOUGH, UM, A FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY STUDY NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED ALONG WITH GREAT STUDY CONSULT WITH A COMMIT TO ENGINEERING DESIGN, ACQUIRE BIDS. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY REQUIRES AT LEAST 70 TO 75% OF THE BORROWING AMOUNT AND BIDS TO BE IN HANDED APPLICATION. 
          AND THEN ONCE WE GET THE, THEN WE CAN, SO THERE, THERE WILL BE UPFRONT COSTS FOR ENGINEERING AND DESIGN, UM, HOW THOSE COSTS ARE REIMBURSED WITH THE REVENUE BOND FUNDS. 
          THIS, UM, IS THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL I THINK MOST EVERYBODY'S SEEN THIS TIME. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK THROUGH IT. 
          I THINK THE INTENT IS TO ASK FOR, UH, WHAT'S IN COMMON LABELED FISCAL YEAR AND IN 27, THAT'S THE FIRST ASK. 
          YEP. 
          WE HAD ANTICIPATE ABOUT 31 MILLION I THINK IS WHAT YOU GAVE ME LAST FOR FY 27. 
          AND THAT MAY HAVE INCLUDED THE ENGINEERING COST. 
          NO, THAT, THAT HASN'T CHANGED FOR, UM, I, I, I AM TRYING TO GET THE, UH, 
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THE OPERATIONS CONTROL CENTER MODERNIZATION ENHANCEMENTS INCLUDED IN THE POWER UP GRANT. 
          WE SHOULDA HAVE A DECISION BACK ON THAT SOMETIME IN AUGUST. 
          SO THAT A LITTLE THERE, BUT WE, WE WON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL PRICE UNTIL, SO OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS SHOW ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS ALMOST IN CAPITAL ELECTRIC. 
          YES. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ELECTRIC PORTION? WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON THE RETAIL RATE TO THE CUSTOMER? SHOULDN'T BE ANY FOR THE FIRST YEAR, UM, THAT WAS COUNTED FOR THE 2% INCREASE THAT WAS APPROVED IN APRIL. 
          WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING FOR FISCAL YEAR 28, 29 30. 
          AND THAT'S FORECASTED AS THAT AVERAGE 2% CUSTOMERS. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT WAS OVERALL AVERAGE, WHICH WAS PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT RATES BACK. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT RATE PLAN WAS DISCUSSED IN FEBRUARY, MARCH, AND THEN THE ADJUSTMENT WAS MADE EFFECTIVE APRIL 1ST. 
          AND THAT'S ALL FORECASTED BASED ON WHERE OUR POWER SUPPLY COSTS ARE FOR THEM, WHICH THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED TODAY. 
          UM, BUT IT'S, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY DYNAMIC SITUATION. 
          THAT'S WHY I WANNA, YOU KNOW, PLAN TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER FINANCIAL STUDY AS WE GET THROUGH THE YEAR AND I GET MORE ON A POWER SUPPLY BOX. 
          AND CHARLIE, UM, WHAT I THINK I NEED YOUR HELP AND AN ANSWER TO IS, IS, UM, I CAN GO TO CHEVROLET DEALER OR FORD DEALER, BUY ME A NEW TRUCK, WHICH IS IT GOING TO BE, DUKE HAS THE MONOPOLY AND ALL OF THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO EXPAND THEIR GRID FOR THEIS AND ALL THIS STUFF AND, UM, THE MONOPOLY, THE MERGER ITSELF AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA IMPACT THEIR RATE STRUCTURES, UM, SO A NEW CUSTOMER AND THEIR RETAIL RATE VERSUS A CITY OF NEWMAN CUSTOMER THAT IN YEAR SIX WE'RE SUPPOSED TO START SEEING THE SAVINGS OF THE FIVE YEAR. 
          CORRECT. 
          YOU KNOW, AND SO I I DON'T SEE THE  CUSTOMER ANY WORSE OFF THAN THE DUKE CUSTOMER AS FAR AS A COMPARISON, UH, TO SAY THAT WITH A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE SOME RATE INCREASES. 
          TENNESSEE NEW I THERE'S GONNA BE SOME RATE INCREASES WITH CITY NEW AT THE SAME TIME. 
          UM, THE RELEVANT RANGE OF, OF DISPARITY BETWEEN A NEW CUSTOMER AND A NEW CUSTOMER, I DON'T THINK CITY BERT CUSTOMERS GONNA BE PAYING ANYMORE PER KI ONE OUT. 
          I NEED YOUR HELP. 
          SO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR ME. 
          I I STILL THINK WE'RE GONNA BE LESS THAN DO, UM, OVER THE NEXT, IF YOU RECALL FROM, IF YOU RECALL FROM THE PRESENTATION WE GOT ON THE DUKE MERGER, AND THEN IF YOU READ FROM WHAT DUKE HAS ASKED FOR AT THE UTILITIES COMMISSION, DUKE CUSTOMERS ARE GOING UP BECAUSE DUKE HAS AN AGGRESSIVE CAPITAL AGREEMENT PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE STATE DURING THIS MERGER, AND THEIR RATES ARE GOING UP BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S, I MEAN, THAT IS PART OF THE ELECTRIC BUSINESS THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT OR NOT, THE CITY OF NEWBURN IS A PART OF. 
          AND THERE'S, FROM THE INVESTIGATION WE'VE DONE, AND I WILL REPRESENT TO THIS BOARD, I MADE SURE WE LOOKED AT ALL OPTIONS AND SELLING THE UTILITY IN ONE OF AND SAID, THIS IS THE, THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. 
          WE'RE STUCK WITH THE THE PLAN. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING I SEE MISSING THERE IS WITH ALL WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU DO HERE IN THE CITY, GIVING YOU YOUR RATES DON'T GO UP, IS IS THE CONSUMPTION ERROR OF, OF NOT PROVIDING OUR CUSTOMERS EITHER WITHIN OUR OWN GRID OR WITH THE HELP OF MPA, UH, MORE THAN 65 AUDITS. 
          I, I THINK CITY  AGGRESSIVELY AS PART OF THAT AND WHERE RATES PROBABLY GOING TO GO, UM, HOST FROM A WHOLESALE STANDPOINT, EXCEPT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD AGGRESSIVELY BE TRYING TO PARTNER WITH OUR CUSTOMERS TO PROVIDE AUDITS AND ANSWERS TO WHY SOME FOLKS ARE HAVING UNUSUALLY HIGH USE HIGH ELECTRIC BILLS. 
          AND IT'S NOT ON THE KILOWATT HOUR END, IT'S ON THE CONSUMPTION ISSUE. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND WE DO OFFER FREE ENERGY AUDIT TODAY. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. 
          UM, IT'S 
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HELPFUL. 
          UM, IT'S, UH, WE DON'T DO EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE WITH THAT, BUT UH, GIVE THEM SOME BASIC INSIGHT INTO HOW THEIR EQUIPMENT'S PERFORMING AND WHERE THEIR ENERGY'S BEING CONSUMED. 
          PART OF THAT IS HISTORICAL, UM, REVIEW OF ALL THEIR ENERGY CONSUMPTION. 
          YOU CAN SEE TRENDS AND PATTERNS AND YOU COULD, YOU CAN PICK UP ON THINGS. 
          WE HAD A SUCCESS STORY A YEAR OR TWO AGO AT LOCAL FUDGE PRICE WHERE JUST DOING OUR NORMAL DAY TO DAY WORK AND LOOKING AT HISTORY ON ACCOUNTS, THIS ACCOUNT WAS SKY HIGH. 
          AND SO THAT, UH, ANALYST, OUR STAFF ANALYST DUG INTO IT AND STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS CALLED THE CUSTOMER, AND THE CUSTOMER RESPONDED AND THEY GOT THEIR TECHNICIAN OUT THERE AND THEY FOUND OUT THEIR HEATING UNIT AND THEIR CONDITION, THEIR UNIT WOULD RUN SIMULTANEOUSLY FOR A YEAR. 
          HELPED THEM OUT. 
          I THINK, I THINK THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS WE GOT, 65 IS, IS NOT GOOD NUMBER. 
          I DON'T, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I I CAN'T VALIDATE THAT, THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW. 
          I, I DON'T APOLOGIZE. 
          I DON'T HAVE OUR, OUR COUNTS ON, UH, HOW MANY AUDITS WE'VE BEEN AVERAGING PER YEAR, BUT, UM, I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, IF WE WANT TO, TO GROW THAT AND MARKET IT AND DO A BETTER JOB AT THAT, I'LL, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PART OF IT TOO IS IT GOES BACK TO RATE MODERNIZATION OF MY COMMENTS THERE. 
          WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, ONCE AGAIN, WE TALKING ABOUT A RESIDENTIAL RATE IN PARTICULAR. 
          IN PARTICULAR WITH, UM, THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS TO THAT. 
          THERE'S A BASE CHARGE AND THERE IS A VOLUMETRIC CHARGE IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO COMPONENTS. 
          WE'RE SUPPOSED TO RECOVER ALL OF OUR COSTS AND ALL OF OUR EXPENSES, BUT THE WAY OUR, OUR RATE HAS EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS, A LOT OF OUR OPERATIONAL COSTS HAVE RECOVERED IN THE VOLUME CHAR. 
          SO THOSE THAT, UM, ARE LOW INCOME, THOSE THAT ARE USING, UM, LESS ENERGY, UM, ARE PAYING A HIGHER RATE FOR IT ON A PER UNIT BASIS. 
          WE'VE GOTTA GET OUR OPERATING COSTS SHIFTED OVER INTO THE FIXED BASE CHARGE AND LET EVERYBODY JUST PAY OUR WHOLESALE COST AND TRANSFER THAT COST DIRECTLY TO THEM. 
          AND WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE ON HOW MUCH YOU'RE USING, YOU'RE PAYING OUR WHOLESALE RATE. 
          THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO GET US TO. 
          UM, BUT I NEED THAT MDM TO DO IT AND, UH, IT'S GOTTA BE DONE IN A FEW, FEW STEPS. 
          SO WE DON'T SHOCK THE MARKET, WE DON'T SHOCK OUR CUSTOMERS. 
          IT HAS TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL. 
          UM, THAT IS NOT GONNA LOWER THE RATE, BUT THAT COULD MAYBE LOWER HELP THE OUT-OF-POCKET EXPENSE, UM, CONCERNS FOR SOME OF OUR RATE PAYERS. 
          DO YOU FEEL LIKE WITHIN THE THREE, TWO CITIES THAT ANY OF THE CITIES IN THE NEW KEMBA HAVING FANS THROUGH KPA THAT WE DON'T GET? I I THINK, I THINK THE SMALLER MEMBERS BENEFIT MORE THAN WE DO. 
          I THINK ELECTRICITY HAS A DIFFICULT TIME SERVING THE NEEDS OF A MEDIUM SIZE UTILITY THAT'S, THAT'S ON THE VERGE OF BEING A LARGE SIZE UTILITY. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE'RE BIG ENOUGH THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS. 
          WE'RE STAFFED WELL ENOUGH THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, EXPERTS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T SEE ELECTRICITIES HAVING A LOT OF OTHER THAN STAFF PEER BODIES. 
          I DON'T SEE THEM HAVING A LOT OF EXTRA ABILITY THAT WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE. 
          THEY HAVE MORE MANPOWER. 
          UM, BUT WHEN I ASK, WHEN I HAVE ISSUES AND I NEED CONSULTATION AND I NEED TECHNICAL SUPPORT REPORT, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT TO SERVE. 
          WHEN, WHEN LAG GRANGE NEEDS HELP, THEY TELL 'EM TO CALL CHARLIE AND THAT'S THE TRUTH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OR CALL CHARLIE'S STAFF. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT TIME IT'S MM-HMM . 
          DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? MM-HMM . 
          I'LL JUST MAKE A STATEMENT. 
          I'M, I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S READY TO GO. 
          UM, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, I THINK I, I SUPPORTED THE WORKING GROUP LOOKING AT ALL OPTIONS, THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HIRE OUTSIDE CONSULTANT TO COME IN. 
          BUT IF YOU GUYS ARE BASICALLY SAYING THAT YOU'VE DONE THAT WORK AND DUKE'S NOT INTERESTED IN DUKE'S, THE ONLY ONE THAT WE CAN CONTRACTUALLY SELL TO, DOES I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, WHICH IS REALLY HARD TO COMPREHEND HOW SOMEBODY CAN PUT THAT RESTRICTION ON YOU. 
          BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO STAY IN THE ELECTRIC BUSINESS, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ADVANTAGE WE WOULD HAVE NEGOTIATING DIRECTLY WITH DUKE VERSUS 
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BEING A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          CAN YOU HELP TELL ME WHAT WE THINK MIGHT BE AN ADVANTAGE TO US BY GOING DIRECTLY TO DUKE? WE'LL GET INFORMATION FIRSTHAND AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THAT INFORMATION FIRSTHAND WITHOUT HAVING A MIDDLE MAN IN BETWEEN US. 
          DUKE LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT THE RATE WILL BE THE SAME ALL THEIR OTHER WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS, INCLUDING, INCLUDING OTHER CO-OPS, INCLUDING FAYETTEVILLE, AND THE STRUCTURE OF THE CONTRACT WILL BE THE SAME. 
          THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS, PARTICULARLY IN THE FORM OF THE AMOUNT OF GENERATION THAT WE'RE ALLOCATED. 
          THEY'VE TOLD ME VERBALLY THAT WE CAN KEEP OUR, THE AMOUNT OF GENERATION THAT ALLOCATED NOW, UM, BECAUSE I NEED TO KNOW THAT IF WE GET INTO YEAR TWO OF THIS PROCESS, ARE WE INVESTING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? SO THEY, THEY'LL GIVE ME VERBAL COMMITMENTS THAT WE CAN KEEP OUR GENERATION, UM, ALLOCATION AT 20 MEGAWATTS. 
          UM, OFTENTIMES, UM, WHAT'S A, IT'S A CYCLICAL PROCESS BETWEEN GETTING, UM, PRICING FROM DUKE ON THE END OF YEAR ON WHAT THE TROP IS AND WHAT, UH, WHAT SHORTFALL OR OVER COLLECTION THEY HAVE IN THEIR RATE. 
          WE GET THAT THIRD HAND, UM, IN A CYCLICAL FORMAT FROM ELECTRICITY. 
          THAT PROCESS WOULD LOOK THE SAME WAY IF OUR STAFF WAS LOOKING DIRECTLY WITH DUKE AND WE COULD MAKE DECISIONS ON IT. 
          THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME, WHEN DUKE MADE THIS, WHEN DUKE WANTED THE KEAS SUPPORT TO MERGE WITH DUKE ENERGY PROGRESS AND DUKE ENERGY CAROLINA, UM, THE KEMP ELECTRIC CITY STAFF NEGOTIATED A FIXED CHARGE IN THERE FOR OUR SUPPORT. 
          THEY NEVER TOLD US ABOUT THAT UNTIL AFTER WE GAVE US A SUPPORT. 
          I TOOK GREAT EXCEPTION TO THAT. 
          UM, SO, UM, I THINK WE WERE, WE WERE MISLED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMPANY. 
          UM, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A VOICE IN THAT. 
          AND I THINK IT, THAT'S THE ONE PRIMARY BENEFIT THAT WE GO DIRECTLY TO DUKE. 
          UM, WE HAVE A VOICE, MR. MAYOR, NOT WITHSTANDING THE, WHAT CHARLIE'S SAYING ABOUT THE INFORMATION, THAT INFORMATION SHARING ONE PIECE THAT IS THE UNKNOWN THAT WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANSWERS THAT I'VE ASKED THE WORKING GROUP, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THOSE TWO OPTIONS IS CHE WAS CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION SERVICES $1.1 MILLION. 
          IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT CHEAPER AND THERE'S A COST SAVINGS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WE WANT TO KNOW AS OF RIGHT NOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED WHETHER TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO TRY TO SHOW WHAT DOES THE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION LOOK LIKE AND, AND LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT OPTION BEFORE TRYING TO BE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE HERE BEFORE GOING OUT AND SAYING, LET'S GO HIRE THIS CONSULTANT. 
          THERE'S SOME LEGAL IMPLICATIONS OF BOTH OF THOSE CONTRACTS THAT WE'VE ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY TO OPINE ON, WHICH MAY TAKE ONE THOSE OFF THE TABLE. 
          THIS HAS BEEN A, UM, THIS HAS BEEN AN EFFORT OF PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE AND THEN PUSHING IT OFF AS WE REALIZE WE HIT A WALL THAT WE CAN'T DO. 
          AND SO THAT'S STILL WHERE WE'RE AT BETWEEN THOSE TWO OPTIONS. 
          BUT TO ME, THE BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY THIS, THAT CHARLIE AND I MIGHT DISAGREE ON THE BENEFITS, YOU KNOW, HE'S SAYING IT'S A LACK OF INFORMATION SHARING FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE FRUSTRATING, BUT FOR ME, I'M LOOKING AT THE COST ELEMENT AND RIGHT NOW I, I STILL DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A COST BENEFIT OF STAYING IN THE KEMBA. 
          UH, MY UNDERSTANDING BY, BY STATUTE WE MIGHT, EVEN IF WE LEAVE THE KEMBA, WE MIGHT DOING ELECTRICITY. 
          I MEAN WE STILL HAVE SOME TIED TO THEM AND SO TAKING THOSE COSTS AND PERSPECTIVE, OKAY, THE ONLY UNKNOWN TO ME IS HOW MUCH IS IT GONNA COST FOR US TO ADMINISTER OUR OWN CONTRACT? AND I DON'T KNOW YET. 
          AND, AND THAT'S A PIECE THAT WE, BUT BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, SPEND MONEY ON A CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT THAT, WE NEED TO VERIFY SOME OF THE LEGAL ISSUES. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT DATE, I THINK ARM OUT LONG. 
          YOU MENTIONED JUNE OR JULY NEXT YEAR, THAT IS THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN NOTIFY MC LEAVING MY, UNDER MY UNDERSTANDING, I LIVED THE CONTRACT LAW. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IS YOU HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE BY 2027 AND THERE HAS TO BE A A, A LEAD TIME FOR THEM TO PREPARE FOR YOUR LOAD TO BE OFF. 
          YES. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU GUYS RECALL WHEN WE MET WITH THEM AT THE CITY HALL, IF YOU TOLD US THEY CHANGED THE DATE, KIND OF HIT HIS HEAD OFF A LITTLE BIT. 
          HE SAYS NO, WHAT THE CHANGE THAT THEY MADE ACTUALLY MADE IT MORE FLEXIBLE TO ALLOW MORE TIME TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          SO YOU'RE 
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NOT CONSTRAINED TO GIVE THAT SUCH LONG OF A LEEWAY. 
          I I DID GIVE A FOLLOW UP FROM MR. JONES ON THAT, BUT THE CONTRACT CLEARLY READS EARLY OUT NOTICE BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2027. 
          THE QUESTION THAT I HAD, WE HAD AT THAT MEETING WAS, CAN I GIVE IT IT ACTUALLY, UM, THE EARLY OUT DATE IS 2035. 
          CAN I GIVE MY EARLY OUT NOTICE IN 2027 AND CHANGE MY MIND IN 2032? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT DEFINED IN THE CONTRACT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND HE EMAILED ME BACK WITH LANGUAGE THAT SAID THAT YOU CAN DO YOUR EARLY OUT UP UNTIL THE DATE. 
          RIGHT, OR YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND, I SHOULD SAY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT UP UNTIL THE DATE. 
          SO I STILL THINK WE NEED TO PROVIDE NOTICE BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2027 IF WE INTEND TO. 
          CAN CAN, CAN YOU CHECK ON THAT? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AM I TALKING ABOUT THE RADIATION? I THINK HE EXTENDED THAT AND SAID THEY CHANGED IT AND I LOOKED AT IT AND I SAID, WHEN DID YOU CHANGE THAT? WHEN DID YOU NOTE, WHEN DID YOU NOTICE THAT? AND THAT'S WHEN HE SAID, WELL, IT'S MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THE MEMBERS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE YOUR DECISION. 
          IT'S QUICKER. 
          YOU HAVE A LONGER TIME TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          KEITH THOUGHT, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK. 
          KEITH THOUGHT YOU'VE MADE THAT CHANGE, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE IT'S NOT IN THAT LAST CONTRACT. 
          THE ISSUE IS, I REMEMBER EXACTLY TALKING ABOUT, HE MIGHT HAVE SAID ONE THING WE HAVE NOT SEEN AND I REQUEST, WE HAVE NOT SEEN A DOCUMENT AMENDING CONTRACT TO, AND THAT MIGHT BE OUT THERE. 
          I MEAN I, THIS IS WHERE WE'VE NOW KIND OF GOT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT SOME THINGS AND GET AN OPINION ON IT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WERE YOU LOOKING FOR A DIRECTION ON THIS? WELL, WE HAVE COME UP AND TALK ABOUT REAL QUICK AND THEN, THEN WE'LL, AND WHILE JORDAN'S COMING UP, CAN YOU CLARIFY, TERRY? I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT WE COULDN'T DO JUST A REVENUE BOND FOR ELECTRIC. 
          INCLUDE ALL OF THEM. 
          MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE CAN DO A REVENUE BOND. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING WE CAN DO A REVENUE BOND JUST FOR ELECTRIC, BUT IT'S GONNA IMPACT ALL OF THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. 
          IT IS A REVENUE BOND FOR ALL ENTERPRISE FUNDS. 
          AND SO IF WE DO WANT, AND WE SAY WE'RE GONNA USE ALL OF THAT BOND MONEY ON ELECTRIC, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY TYING YOUR WATER AND SEWER RATES TO ELECTRIC CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WOULD BE THAT'S RIGHT. 
          ALL OF OUR UTIL ARE TIED TOGETHER REGARDING REVENUE BOND. 
          SO WHEN WE DID THE REVENUE BOND FOR THE, UM, SEWER, NO FOR THE ELECTRIC, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU YOU CALL THOSE A MI METERS. 
          WHEN, WHEN THAT WAS DONE YEARS AGO, THAT TIED UP WATER AND SEWER AT THE SAME TIME. 
          THAT WAS OUR FIRST ONE WE DID WITH THE REVENUE BOND PROCESS THAT WAS KIND OF ESTABLISHED OUR INITIAL REVENUE BOND COVENANTS THAT WHOLE PROCESS. 
          AND THAT WAS BENEFICIAL FOR MONEY FROM ALL FREE FUNDS, WATER, WASTE WATER AS THEY ALL THE METERING KIND USEFUL PROBLEM. 
          SO THAT, THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE IDEAL PROJECT TO HAVE A YOU UNIFORM REVENUE MODEL WITH ALL THE ENTERPRISE BECAUSE THE PROJECT APPLIED TO ALL THREE. 
          UM, SINCE THEN WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A COUPLE MORE, AT LEAST ONE MORE. 
          WAS IT NORTHWEST INTERCEPTOR? NORTHWEST INTERCEPTOR AND SOME OF THE TOWNSHIP SEVEN SEWER PROJECT. 
          THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE INDIVIDUAL. 
          WELL IT'S, IT'S A COMBINED REVENUE BIN. 
          SO YOU CAN DO THE WATER, YOU CAN DO THE SEWER, YOU DO THE ELECTRIC, BUT THEY TAKE A LOOK AT IT, THERE'S A HOLE. 
          SO EVEN WHEN WE DID SEWER, THEY STILL TOOK A LOOK AT THE STUFF FOR ELECTRIC. 
          'CAUSE IT'S A COMBINED AND IT'S IN, IT'S IN OUR FAVOR TO DO SO. 
          WELL THE REASON THIS CAME UP WAS AS WE STARTED TALKING WITH THIS ELECTRIC CAPITAL PLAN, IT GOT BROUGHT UP, WELL GEORGIA GOT SOME PROJECTS ON THE HORIZON AND IF WE'RE GONNA GO AND PUT IN A REVENUE BOND ON ELECTRIC THAT TIES UP SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS WHERE WE CAN'T USE THAT BOND MONEY FOR WATER SEWER. 
          AND SO WE WANT TO LOOK AT THIS AND TOTALITY, BUT THE UNDERSTANDING IS HOW IT GOT BROUGHT UP. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT AS IT TIES IT UP NECESSARILY. 
          THEY JUST WANNA LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE TO MAKE SURE THAT, I MEAN YOU GOTTA TAKE A LOOK AT THE, THERE'S SO MANY OTHER FACTORS THAT THE, THAT THE, THAT CAPACITY WHICH FINE. 
          UM, BUT THE ISSUE, CORRECT IF I'M WRONG, THAT YOU BROUGHT UP TO US WAS YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY DO A REVENUE BOND ONE YEAR FOR ELECTRIC AND THEN TURN AROUND DURING NEXT YEAR AND DO ONE FOR WATER SEAL. 
          SO WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE. 
          AND I DIDN'T SAY, I DON'T THINK I SAID YOU CAN'T, THEY JUST NEED TO ADDRESS WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE SO THAT THEY CAN SEE IF IT'S AFFORDABLE AND IF IT'S GOING TO IMPACT OUR DEBT CAPACITY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT LIMITS THAT YOU HAVE TO, UM, ADHERE TO. 
          SO NO MATTER WHAT THEY BEFORE, BECAUSE I WAS LIKE WELL OKAY, THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE IF I SAID THAT OR 
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IT CAME OUT WRONG, BUT YOU, THEY DO, THEY DO WANNA LOOK AT THE, THE CITY IN ITS ENTIRETY AND AT OUR UTILITIES. 
          SO THE, THE COVENANTS OF THE REVENUE BOND ARE, ARE BUILT SEGREGATED FROM ONE ENTERPRISE TO THE OTHER. 
          SO IF WE GO OUT AND WE GET A REVENUE BOND FOR A WATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COULD TRIP THAT WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR ENTERPRISE FUNDS THAT WOULD SAY WE'VE GOT A RAISE OUR ORDER RATE. 
          BUT THEY CAN'T COME TO YOU AND SAY, YOU'VE GOTTA RAISE YOUR ELECTRIC RATE TO PAY FOR THE WATER ELECTRIC. 
          NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT EXPECTATION IS IF THERE'S A WATER SEWER REVENUE BOND, WATER SEWER CUSTOMERS ARE BASICALLY GONNA BE PAYING SAME THING WITH ELECTRIC. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHERE I WAS COMPLETELY OFF. 
          WELL IF I MISSPOKE THAT'S, I APOLOGIZE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO YOU LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL PLAN TAKES FIVE YEARS. 
          THE PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY INCLUDE THE REVENUE BOND FUNDING, THERE'S ONE THAT'S REALLY IMMEDIATE, WHICH WILL BE OUR, THE PLENTY OF THE WEST NEW WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THE FINALIZING PERMITTING NOW ANTICIPATION OF BID THAT IN THE SUMMER, EARLY FALL AND HOPEFULLY HAVE A CONTRACT READY TO MOVE FORWARD IN EARLY 2027. 
          UM, ESTIMATED COST TO, YOU KNOW, SUMMER 28.75 TO 9.25 MILLION. 
          WE'LL KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT ONCE WE GET THE BID BACK IN THE FALL. 
          THE OTHER ONE IS REALLY OUTSIDE OF THAT FIVE YEAR WINDOW, BUT IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH. 
          WE WANNA START TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT JUST TO KIND OF KEEP, KEEP ON THE FOREFRONT, WHICH IS AN ANTICIPATED EXPANSION IN OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          LOOK AT SOME POINT PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, RIGHT, RIGHT ON THE CUSP OF THAT FIVE YEAR CAPITAL LAST YEAR, POSSIBLY STARTING, UH, TO DO SOME WORK ON THAT AND LOOKING AT A COST OF, UH, 36 TO 30 AD GET OUR, OUR NEXT EXPANSION FOR THE PROJECT THIS YEAR TO KIND OF SYNC UP WITH CHARLIE'S FY 27, UH, FUNDING OF 28 TO 30 MILLION. 
          WE COULD BE LOOKING AT ADDING THE FUNDING FOR THE WEST OR A PORTION OF THE FUNDING FOR THE WEST NEW WATERFRONT. 
          UM, ON THESE PROJECTS, WHAT OUR GROUP, AND, AND AGAIN WE TIED IN JORDAN TO, TO DISCUSS THIS. 
          SOMETHING I'VE ASKED FOR AND I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE BOARD IN DISCUSSION IS OUTLINING ON FROM FY 27 THROUGH FY 35, THESE EXPENDITURES. 
          THE, IF, IF WE'RE DOING IT ALL IN TWO SEPARATE BONDS OR HOWEVER WE'RE GONNA FINANCE IT, AND THEN WHAT THE IMPACT TO, TO RATES LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE IMPACT TO RATES FOR ELECTRIC OR WATER SEWER AND TO HAVE THAT IN A CHART TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT, TO DISCUSS THAT FURTHER, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD DO. 
          AND WE DO OUR FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY STUDY AND THEN THE RATE STUDY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH, UM, UFS OR WE'LL BE WORKING ON S IF WE GET QUESTIONING FORWARD. 
          I DUNNO IF THIS IS A JORDAN QUESTION OR A CHEMICAL QUESTION, BUT I BELIEVE LAST TIME A WATER PLANT WAS BUILT ABOUT 17 YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE WE DID AN INSTALL LOAN PURCHASE. 
          WE DID NOT GO WITH THAT. 
          YES SIR. 
          WE DID SRO FUNDING LIKE THAT STATE INVOLVING LOANS. 
          SO LONG TERM LOW ENTRY FUND, UH, LOAN FROM THE STATE, UM, THAT WAS AVAILABLE AT THE TIME FOR WATER WASTEWATER PROJECTS. 
          UM, WELL WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION. 
          THIS GO AROUND. 
          YES, YES AND NO. 
          THE, THE FUNDING STILL EXISTS. 
          THE FUNDING MECHANISM STILL EXISTS. 
          THE SR SR PROGRAMS ARE, ARE STILL, YOU KNOW, HEAVILY FUNDED TO THE STATE WITH OPPORTUNITY THERE. 
          THEY CHANGED SOME RULES AND HOW YOU CAN APPLY AN ELIGIBILITY FOR APPLICATION. 
          UH, ABOUT 2014 OF MEMORY SERVES ME, UM, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES DISQUALIFIES US FOR THE WAY WE MANAGE SOME TRANSFER MONIES BETWEEN THE WATER WASTEWATER FUNDS AND THE GENERAL FUND. 
          YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE TRANSFERS, YOU CAN MAKE PILOT PAYMENTS, BUT ALL THAT MONEY HAS TO BE, YOU HAVE TO GET POINT TO WHERE IT GOES. 
          IF YOU MAKE A PILOT TRANSFER, YOU HAVE THIS, THAT MONEY HAS TO BE SHOW WHERE THAT MONEY'S FOR SHARED SERVICE. 
          UM, WHAT WE HAVE DONE SINCE, WELL BEFORE 2014 AND AFTER, WE MAKE A, A PILOT PAYMENT FROM THE UTILITY, THE WATER WASTE WATER TO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          AND WE ALSO DO SHARED SERVICE. 
          SO WE PAY OUR FAIR SHARE OF, UH, HR AND IT ADMINISTRATION. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THIS PILOT PAYMENT. 
          SO PILOT PAYMENT, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT GOES TO HR AND IT, YOU'VE ALREADY PAID YOUR, YOU'VE ALREADY SAID YOU PAID YOUR FAIR SHARE THROUGH SHARE OF SERVICE. 
          BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY BASICALLY 
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DISQUALIFY YOU APPLY DWI AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKED INTO THAT. 
          IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ELIGIBLE AGAIN FOR THOSE PROGRAMS, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE PAYMENTS FROM THE WATER WASTEWATER FUNDS AND THE GENERAL FUND IS A LOAN AND THE GENERAL FUND HAS TO PAY THOSE BACK. 
          UM, SO JUST TOP OF HEAD, I THINK IT'S TWO OF THREE, THREE OR $400,000 A YEAR FOR 12 OR 13 YEARS NOW. 
          SO HAVE THREE OR $4 MILLION. 
          A GENERAL FUND WOULD HAVE TO PAY BACK TO THE WATER AND WASTEWATER FUNDS. 
          BE HAPPY TO TAKE IT. 
          WE FIND GOOD USE FOR IT. 
          BUT WE'D HAVE TO DO ALL THAT BEFORE YOU NEED TO BE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR THE S THE REVEREND BONDS AT THIS POINT IS, IS PROBABLY OUR VIABLE OPTION FOR SOME OF THESE. 
          QUALITY CAPITAL. 
          , ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? NO, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          BOARD, I, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THIS, UM, BUT UM, CITY ATTORNEY WANTS US TO REDO THE MOTION THAT CALLS FOR THIS MEETING, UM, ON SIX 19 AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT CITY HALL AND MAKE SURE THE MOTION INCLUDES THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THE ITEMS, NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO THAT'S ON THIS AGENDA FOR TODAY. 
          YES. 
          SO COULD SOMEONE TAKE MOTION TO THAT? SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE? YOU WANTS US, SHE, SHE WANTS THE MOTION TO BE CLEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS ITEM ONE AND TWO AT THIS MEETING ON FRIDAY. 
          A MOTION BY ALL AN OUTLAW. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL AND WHITE. 
          IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          OPPOSED? MOTION CARRY. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE TO DISCUSS TODAY? I MOTION LEAVE ADJOURN. 
          SECOND. 
          I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ADJOURN FOR DISCUSSION. 
          DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? WE ALL FAVOR SAY I OPPOSED AJOUR.
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