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GOOD[1. Call to Order and Welcome.]
EVENING OR AFTERNOON RATHER.I'D LIKE TO CALL THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO ADJOURN ON JULY 8TH.
UH, MR. MARVIN, WOULD YOU MIND DOING A ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER DOVE.
COMMISSIONER MORGAN, COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND HERE.
COMMISSIONER SIMMONS CHAIR SCHOOL HERE, AND CO-CHAIR, WALLACE CHAIR.
WE DO NOT HAVE A QUORUM, UNFORTUNATELY.
[6. Presentation on Manufactured Homes by Mr. John Ford]
WE DO NOT HAVE A QUORUM TONIGHT.HOWEVER, UH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE PRESENTERS, UH, PRESENT IN ATTENDANCE, UH, AND WOULD LOVE TO HEAR, UH, YOU GUYS' PRESENTATION.
UH, FIRST UP, UH, MR. JOHN FORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP CLEAR.
THANK YOU, UH, FOR COMING TO SEE US.
WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN, UH, LEARNING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT MANUFACTURE HOMES.
UH, SEE THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US A, A DOCUMENT HERE AND, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
YEAH, SO BASICALLY WITH, UH, THE DOCUMENTS, UM, JUST A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU GUYS CAN KIND OF LOOK OVER.
THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THERE.
UH, BUT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS CAN KIND OF KEEP AND KIND OF GLANCE OVER.
UH, WHAT I DO IS I AM THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR DOWN EAST REALTY AND CUSTOM HOMES IN NEW BERN.
UH, WE SELL BOTH MANUFACTURED AND MODULAR HOMES.
UH, WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR OVER 27 YEARS, SO IT'S, IT'S A COMPANY THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A GOOD WHILE.
UH, OUR OWNER'S LOCAL, UH, WE HAVE, UH, LOCATIONS ALL OVER, YOU KNOW, EASTERN CAROLINA.
UM, THE BIG THING IS I THINK PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE WHAT MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE NOWADAYS.
THEY THINK OF THE OLD TRAILERS OF THE PAST.
SO I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES, ESPECIALLY IN CERTAIN JU UH, JURISDICTIONS OF THE CITY OF NEWBURN, THERE'S RESTRICTIONS ON MANUFACTURED HOUSINGS ALLOWED TO BE, YOU KNOW, BUILT IN, IN CERTAIN AREAS, WHICH I THINK PROBABLY WHEN THAT WAS INITIALLY LIKE, PUT INTO EFFECT, I, I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY WAS REALLY FULLY EDUCATED ON WHAT THE PRODUCT IS NOW.
UH, IT'S NOT LIKE THE OLD TRAILERS.
EVERYTHING HAS DRASTICALLY CHANGED, UH, JUST CONSTRUCTION WISE.
UH, WHICH MARVIN'S HAD A CHANCE TO COME VISIT ME A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES AND TORE HOMES WITH ME.
AND, UM, LIKE A LOT OF OUR HOUSES ARE BUILT, EVEN MANUFACTURED HOMES, SINGLE WIDES, DOUBLE WIDES, WHATEVER IT HAPPENED TO BE, WITH TWO BY SIX EXTERIOR WALLS, TWO BY FOUR INTERIOR WALLS COMPARED TO IN THE PAST, IT WAS TWO BY THREE EXTERIOR WALLS AND THEN BARELY NOTHING IN THE INTERIOR FULL SHEET ROCK CROWN MOLDING, UM, OPTIONS TO CUSTOMIZE THE HOME, WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO EIGHT FOOT CEILINGS OR NINE FOOT CEILINGS, ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS CERAMIC TILE SHOWERS.
UH, IT, IT'S DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAN WHAT IT USED TO BE.
AND I THINK IT COULD REALLY HELP, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY OF NEW BERN, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY CRAVEN COUNTY AND THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES ALTOGETHER, ANYBODY THAT DOES HAVE RESTRICTIONS, IF WE WERE ABLE TO OFFER MANUFACTURED HOUSING IN SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS, IT'S WAY MORE AFFORDABLE THAN WHAT SITE BUILD HOUSES WOULD BE.
RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE IN, EVEN IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN CURRENTLY, UM, MODULARS ARE ALLOWED, WHICH MODULARS GONNA BE THE SAME EXACT CODE SETUP AS WHAT A SITE-BUILT HOUSE WOULD BE.
PRICE POINT IS FAIRLY SIMILAR.
IT, IT'S NOT TOO FAR OFF SITE-BUILT, BUT MANUFACTURED.
YOU, YOU HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT PRICE POINT OPTIONS.
WE'RE AN INDEPENDENT SALES CENTER.
SO WITH THAT, WE'RE NOT RESTRICTED TO JUST LIKE ONE BUILDER THAT WE PARTNER WITH.
LIKE, YOU GO TO A CLAYTON LOCATION, ALL THEY HAVE IS CLAYTON.
WELL, WE HAVE CLAYTON FLEETWOOD CHAMPION, DEER VALLEY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, AS MARVIN AND I HAD DISCUSSED ALSO, EVEN IF WE COULD MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO ALLOW THESE HOMES TO GO INTO THESE AREAS, THERE COULD STILL BE RESTRICTIONS SET IN PLACE.
FOR EXAMPLE, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, JUST A, A NOT ALLOWING, IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO PUT SINGLE WIDES, WE JUST WERE, WE'RE DOING DOUBLE WIDES IN A CERTAIN AREA, UM, MAKING A RESTRICTION TO WHERE THEY WOULD NEED TO BE ON LIKE BRICK.
SO IT'S CONSIDERED REAL PROPERTY AT THAT POINT.
SO FOR OUR FOUNDATION SET UP, INSTEAD OF DOING VINYL SKIRTING, IF IT, IF IT WAS SET UP WHERE IT, IT HAD TO HAVE BRICK, YOU KNOW, YOU STILL HAVE OPTIONS WHERE THE HOUSES ARE GONNA LOOK FANTASTIC.
WE DO 30 YEAR TRADITIONAL FINANCING ON EVEN SINGLE WISE.
WE DO VA LOANS, WE DO FHA LOANS, UH, USDA LOANS, CONVENTIONAL LOANS.
SO THE FINANCING IS NOT RESTRICTED LIKE IT USED TO BE.
IT USED TO BE ON A MANUFACTURED HOUSE, THE TERM WAS WAY SHORTER, AND
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THEN THE RATE WAS WAY HIGHER.I PARTNER WITH A TRADITIONAL MORTGAGE COMPANY, IT'S CALLED FEDERAL SAVINGS BANK, THAT EVEN MANUFACTURED HOUSES, UH, SINGLE WIDES WE'RE DOING ON AVERAGE 6.5%.
UM, WE'VE DONE SOME RECENTLY AS LOW AS 4.9%, BUT OF COURSE THAT'S BUYING THE RATE DOWN TO GET TO THAT POINT.
BUT I THINK IT WOULD REALLY OPEN UP A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR FAMILIES AND FOR THE CITY ALSO, YOU KNOW, TO OPEN UP OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO SOME OF THE PROPERTIES.
YOU GUYS MAY HAVE TO PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ATTAINABLE HOUSINGS IN THESE AREAS AND, AND GIVE PEOPLE WAY MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO BE HOMEOWNERS.
UH, RENT IS GOING UP, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THAT ALONG WITH THE MAJORITY OF THINGS, BUT THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO PURCHASE A SITE BUILT HOUSE, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THEY CAN STILL GET AN EXTREMELY WELL-BUILT, QUALITY BUILT HOME, AND THEN TRY TO KEEP THAT PRICE POINT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO I GUESS FROM AN INDUSTRY PERSPECTIVE, AND FORGIVE ME IF THIS IS IN HERE.
GIMME THE, I GUESS THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE DEFINITION BETWEEN MODULAR AND MANUFACTURING.
SO MODULAR IS GONNA BE BUILT EXACTLY TO THE SAME CODES.
NORTH CAROLINA BUILDING CODE AS WHAT A SITE-BUILT HOUSE WOULD BE, UH, MANUFACTURED IS BUILT BY WHAT'S CALLED A IT'S HUD CODE, WHICH IS STILL HEAVILY REGULATED.
UM, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE FROM THE OUTSIDE, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE THAT YOU'LL SEE IS THE ROOF PITCH.
A MANUFACTURED HOUSE IS GONNA HAVE A THREE 12 ROOF PITCH.
TYPICALLY, UM, MODULAR, YOU'LL EITHER DO 5 12, 7 12, OR NINE 12.
UM, CONSTRUCTION WISE, THEY'VE COME SUCH A LONG WAYS THAT WALKING, EVEN IN SOME OF THE ONES I SHOWED YOU, YOU HAVE NO CLUE THAT IT'S A MANUFACTURED HOME.
WHEN YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH IT, THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS.
WE STILL HAVE ENTRY KIND OF LEVEL OPTIONS, ALSO MORE PRICE POINT, BUT THE MAJORITY OF WHAT WE SELL IS, IS SUPER WELL-BUILT QUALITY HOMES THAT IS STILL MUCH AFFORDABLE.
BUT FOR LIKE A BUILDING CODE WISE, YOU HAVE NC YOU KNOW, STATE CODE, AND THEN YOU HAVE HUD CODE.
UM, BOTH, LIKE I SAID, HEAVILY REGULATED, BOTH MANUFACTURED, UH, HOMES AND MODULAR HOMES ARE BUILT OFFSITE IN CLIMATE CONTROL FACTORIES.
THE LUMBER'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SITTING OUT IN THE WEATHER WHENEVER IT'S BEING BUILT IN.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANY, NOW EVEN ON THE MANUFACTURERS, THE QUALITY'S SO GOOD.
CONSTRUCTION WISE, IT, IT USED TO BE WHERE MODULARS WHERE YOU'D HAVE TO GO TO GET A QUALITY BUILT HOME THAT ARE SITE BUILT, BUT WITH THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE MANUFACTURE HOUSES NOWADAYS WITH TWO BY SIX EXTERIOR WALLS, TWO BY FOUR, TWO BY EIGHT FLOOR JOISTS, FULL SHEET ROCK.
IT'S NOT THE PRODUCT THAT IT USED TO BE.
I, I'D LOVE TO INVITE ALL OF YOU TO, TO COME DOWN AND, AND WALK THE HOUSES AND TOUR THE HOUSES IF YOU GUYS GET A CHANCE.
UM, AND REALLY CHECK THEM OUT FOR YOURSELF AND KINDA GET A BETTER FEEL FOR IT.
UM, PRICING WISE, JUST BECAUSE AFFORDABILITY IS OBVIOUSLY A, A KEY ON THINGS.
YOU MENTIONED THAT, THAT THE, THE, THE MANUFACTURER'S MUCH CHEAPER.
I MEAN, GENERAL, I MEAN, ON AVERAGE 10,000 FOOT.
IF WE HAVE THE SAME FLOOR PLAN AS A MANUFACTURED HOUSE COMPARED TO A MODULAR HOU, UH, MODULAR IS ABOUT $70,000 DIFFERENCE IN CALLS GOING MANUFACTURED COMPARED TO GOING MODULAR.
ONE THING THAT IS DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION WISE, THAT IS, UH, A GOOD AMOUNT OF OUR COSTS.
ON A MANUFACTURED HOUSE, YOU HAVE A FRAME THAT STAYS UNDERNEATH OF IT.
SO WHEN THE HOUSE IS SET, YOU, YOU HAVE INTERIOR PIERS, WHICH ARE CONCRETE PORT FOOTERS, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, ON, ON A TRADITIONAL BUILT HOUSE.
THE, THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY, YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR PIERS, I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT A SOMETHING, I CAN SHOW YOU GUYS THAT I APOLOGIZE, BUT ON A MANUFACTURER HOUSE WITH THE FRAME UNDERNEATH OF IT, YOU HAVE YOUR INTERIOR PIERS, AND THEN BLOCK IS SET ON TOP OF YOUR PIERS.
THE HOUSE IS THEN SET SECURED ON, ON TOP OF THAT.
AND THEN FROM THE OUTSIDE OF IT, WHERE WE WOULD STILL DO BRICK, UH, WE DO BRICK OR VINYL SKIRTING OR SPLIT BLOCK EITHER ONE.
BUT YOU HAVE PERIMETER FOOTERS ALSO.
AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR BRICK OR BLOCK, BUT THE HOUSE DOESN'T REST ON THAT.
SO IT'S NOT WEIGHT WEIGHTBEARING COMPARED TO A MODULAR.
WE DO A TRADITIONAL CONTINUOUS BRICK AND BLOCK FOUNDATION, AND THE, THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY WEIGHTBEARING.
SO A CRANE IS USED FOR A MODULAR.
IT'S NOT USED FOR MANUFACTURE.
UM, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, BUT YEAH, ABOUT 70 GRAND ON AVERAGE, THE DIFFERENCE IN COST.
SO IS THAT, THAT DIFFERENCE OF 70, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE, THE, I DON'T WANNA SAY INSTALL OR, YEAH, WE DO IT.
SO WITH OUR PROJECTS, WE DO EVERYTHING ON 'EM FOR THE MOST PART.
AND OUR PRICING UP FRONT, UH, WE INCLUDE EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THINGS THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE COST COULD BE.
LIKE IF SOMEBODY DOES NOT ALREADY HAVE SEPTIC, UH, THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO INCLUDE THAT OUT FRONT IN OUR PRICE.
UM, IF IT NEEDS TO HAVE TO HAVE LAND CLEARING, THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO INCLUDE THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT BESIDES THAT, THE BUILDING PERMIT, UH, SAND PADD, HVAC,
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ELECTRICAL WIRING, PLUMBING TO DELIVER THE SET, THE SKIRTING STEPS, UH, VAPOR BARRIER, BARRIER, EXCUSE ME, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, IS ALL ALREADY INCLUDED IN OUR PRICE SETUP.AND THAT'S, THAT'S, WE MANUFACTURE THE MODULAR BOTH.
SO IT IS ALREADY GONNA BE A TURNKEY SETUP.
THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IN THE COST BETWEEN THE TWO, THE FOUNDATION IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
THE FOUNDATION IS THE LARGEST COST.
UH, THEN THERE'S A CRANE INVOLVED TO SET A MODULAR, UH, WITH MANUFACTURED, YOU DON'T NEED THAT.
UM, COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE BUILT IN, LIKE, UH, WITH THE MAN WITH A MODULAR, WE HAVE TO HAVE A, A DUMPSTER ON SITE.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A PORTA POTTY ON SITE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THE, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IN COST IS THE FOUNDATION IN THE CURRENT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S 70,000 AND THAT'S, THAT'S SCALABLE, WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPARING IT TO A $300,000 MODULAR OR FOR THE MOST PART 50.
YEAH, SO MODULARS ARE GONNA START PRICE POINT ON A MODULAR, SOMETHING AROUND A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT, MAYBE AROUND 180 5.
AND THEN KIND OF GOES FROM THERE.
UM, WE HAVE ONE BUILDER THAT WE PARTNER WITH, UH, IS OUT ALABAMA CALLED DEER VALLEY.
AND I MEAN, THEIR MODULARS CAN BE $500,000 AND ABOVE, BUT NORMALLY LIKE THE, THE RULE OF THUMB, IF WE TAKE THE SAME FLOOR PLAN AS THE MANUFACTURED HOUSE, AND THEN WE DID THAT SAME FLOOR PLAN AS A MODULAR IS ABOUT 70 GRAND, 50 TO 70, JUST DEPEND SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT MOST PEOPLE ENVISION WHENEVER THEY HEAR THE OLD, THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING WE'VE RUN AGAINST.
HONESTLY, I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MINDSET THAT WE ALL HAD WHENEVER THAT YES, SIR, THAT LIMITATION FIRST CAME ABOUT WHENEVER THE PLAN WAS GOING TOGETHER.
SO BEYOND JUST DOUBLE WIDE, SINGLE WIDE, WHATEVER MORE, IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY TO, TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MANUFACTURED SO WE COULD KEEP THAT 1970 TRAILER FROM BEING DRUG INTO A LOCATION VERSUS SOMETHING LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, DE DEFINITELY.
UM, YOU, ALL OF THE HOUSES NOW ARE GONNA HAVE WIND ZONES, UM, WIND ZONE ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
KE COUNTY'S A WIND ZONE TWO COUNTY.
UM, AS YOU GO BACK IN TIME, I THINK IT WAS 74 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE WHEN BEFORE THEY HAD WIND ZONES THAT THERE WAS NO RESTRICTIONS TO KIND OF SEPARATE THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST WOULD BE JUST ALLOW NEW MANUFACTURED HOMES IN, IN THESE AREAS INSTEAD OF HAVING USED ONES.
'CAUSE USED ONES ARE NOT GONNA BE, DEPENDING ON THE AGE OF THEM, IT, IT MAY NOT BE RESTRICTED LIKE IT IS NOW.
UM, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, YEAH, NEW HOMES THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, UP TO ALL OF THE QUALITY STANDARDS AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT'S IN PLACE CURRENTLY COMPARED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD STUFF THAT WAS BACK IN THE NINETIES THAT OR MAY NOT BE BUILT LIKE THE HOUSES TODAY WOULD BE.
YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU COULD NECESSARILY LIKE SAY, HEY, WE RESTRICT THIS COMPARED TO RESTRICTING THAT.
I THINK IT, UH, THE BIGGEST THING WITH THAT I WOULD SUGGEST WOULD BE NEW OUR, OUR NEWER MODELS AT LEAST.
AND THEN STILL TO KEEP EVERYTHING LOOKING GOOD, PUT THEM, EVEN IF WE HAD TO DO, INSTEAD OF JUST DOING WOODEN STEPS, DO LIKE A BRICK PLATFORM AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FOR YOUR FRONT, FRONT DECK AREA OR WHATEVER, THERE'S AREAS THAT ARE IN TOWN, UH, THAT DO ALLOW MANUFACTURED HOUSING, BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME RESTRICTIONS.
I THINK I SENT YOU, DENNIS, I SENT YOU SOME FOR A PROJECT WE DID.
WHICH, WHICH BREAKS DOWN LIKE RESTRICTIONS TO MAKE SURE WHAT'S COMING IN THERE IS STILL GONNA LOOK GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THE HOUSES NOW TOO, I MEAN THE, THE, FROM THE OUTSIDE ALSO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GORGEOUS.
IT'S, IT'S JUST SO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE OLD PRODUCT USED TO BE.
THAT I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING WE COME, COME AGAINST ALL TOGETHER IN WHAT WE DO IS PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS PRODUCT IS, THEY THINK OLD TRAILERS.
AND, AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BEFORE I GOT INTO THIS INDUSTRY, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING.
I WAS IN THE, UH, CAR INDUSTRY FOR 20 PLUS YEARS.
AND WHEN I FIRST STARTED TALKING WITH OUR OWNER ABOUT POSSIBLY TRANSITIONING, UH, TO DO WHAT I DO NOW, I REMEMBER GOING HOME TELLING MY WIFE, LIKE, DO I WANNA SELL TRAILERS? I DON'T KNOW IF I WANNA SELL A TRAILER.
AND, AND MY, THE OWNER WAS LIKE, WILL YOU JUST PLEASE COME WALK THESE HOUSES AND LOOK AT 'EM? WHEN I DID THAT, I WAS BLOWN AWAY.
'CAUSE THAT SAME THOUGHT PROCESS I HAD, YOU KNOW, PANEL BASED WALLS FOR EVERY HOME.
UH, NOT INSULATED CORRECTLY, YOU KNOW, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
BUT IT, IT'S DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT PRODUCT.
I'M, I'M GONNA ASK AN ATTORNEY ONE QUESTION NOW, WHENEVER MADAM ATTORNEY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER PUTTING A, A NEW RESTRICTION ON ALLOWING SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE TO COME IN VERSUS DIFFERENTIATING THAT WITH THE OLD? IS THAT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO, TO DRAW A LINE IF WE WANTED TO GO? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I'M JUST KIND OF FEELING THINGS OUT, BUT, SO OBVIOUSLY, UM, THE CITY OF NEW BRUS LAND USE ORDINANCE GOVERNS, UM, THE TYPES OF USES AND CERTAIN STANDARDS AS IT RELATES TO HOMES, INCLUDING MANUFACTURED HOMES.
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SO IF YOU ALL WANTED TO TAKE UP THIS ISSUE, YOU WOULD BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE GOVERNING BOARD ABOUT AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW MANUFACTURED HOMES OF A CERTAIN TYPE, UM, IN CERTAIN PLACES AND MAYBE EVEN PURSUANT TO CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS.UM, THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHEREIN, UM, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN IMPOSE DESIGN STANDARDS UNDER VERY CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.
UM, BUT THE RULE, IF THERE IS AN ORDINANCE CHANGE THAT WOULD BE CITYWIDE, UM, UNLESS YOU WANTED TO ASK THE GOVERNING BOARD TO LIMIT THIS OPTION TO JUST THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA.
SO THE RESTRICTION THAT WE PUT ON THE REDEVELOPMENT ZONE IS A PART OF THAT, THAT IS NOT THE LIMITING FACTOR HERE.
THE LIMITING FACTOR IS THE CITY POLICY.
SO THE CITY, THE, THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN WOULD HAVE TO ENACT IN ORDINANCE AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S AN OVERLAY THAT THEY'VE ADOPTED MM-HMM
THAT GOVERNS SPECIFIC DIMENSIONAL REGULATIONS AND OTHER ISSUES AS IT RELATES TO YOUR REDEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY.
YOU CAN ASK THE GOVERNING BOARD TO AMEND THAT ORDINANCE, UM, POTENTIALLY TO MAKE THIS OPTION OF MANUFACTURED HOMES AVAILABLE IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA OR, UM, YOU COULD ASK TO MAKE MANUFACTURED HOMES AVAILABLE IN THE CITY MORE GENERALLY.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO FLAVORS.
THE PATH OF LEASE RESISTANCE MAY BE TO AMEND YOUR OVERLAY IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO CONSIDER, BUT YOU'LL ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANY PARAMETERS THAT SHOULD BE IN PLACE RELATED TO MANUFACTURED HOMES, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CONSIDER.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION IN REFERENCE TO THAT.
'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME AREAS ALREADY IN THE CITY THAT ALLOW MANUFACTURED LIKE, THAT ARE CONSIDERED CITY OF NEWBURN THAT DO ALLOW MANUFACTURED HOUSING.
SO WHERE THE RESTRICTIONS ARE, IS IT JUST LIKE THE CITY THAT'S RESTRICTING THOSE AREAS AS OF NOW? OR IS IT LIKE A COVENANT BASED THING OR? SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO PRIVATE COVENANTS 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME EXISTING MOBILE HOME PARKS, UM, IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN IN OUR PLANNING JURISDICTION.
THERE ARE CERTAIN, UM, ZONING DISTRICTS THAT DO ALLOW MOBILE HOMES.
THOSE ARE GENERALLY ARE LESS DENSE, SO AGRICULTURAL GOTCHA.
OR R 20, WHICH IS A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, UM, WHICH ARE IN THE MORE RURAL COMMUNITIES.
BUT THERE ARE PROHIBITIONS ABOUT, UM, MANUFACTURED HOMES IN THE MORE DENSELY POPULATED AREAS.
ANYTHING, FIRST OF ALL, I DO APOLOGIZE FOR MY TARDINESS.
UM, ARE WE HAVING A MEETING OR DISCUSSION? WE ARE NOT HAVING A MEETING.
WELL WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A FORUM.
UM, BUT THE BOARD IS ENTERTAINING COMMENTS FROM THIS GENTLEMAN AND ONE OTHER PERSON.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
SO IF WE WERE TO GIVE YOU A PARCEL OF LAND WITH SQUARE FOOTAGE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US WITH A COMPARABLE PROJECT THAT YOU HAVE PUT ON THAT PARTICULAR SIZE OF PROPERTY? YES, SIR.
WITH THE DIFFERENT SETBACKS? YES, SIR.
THE ZONE AND WITH EVERYTHING ELSE TO SAY, HEY, I PUT SOMETHING, THIS PROJECT, THIS PROJECT AND THIS PROJECT ON THIS SIZE LAND WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND IT FOLLOWS ALL GUIDELINES IN THAT WE CAN DO THIS AND IN THIS TIMEFRAME.
BUT WOULD YOU ALSO BE AVAILABLE TO GIVE US SOMETHING THAT YOU DID FIVE YEARS AGO OR 10 YEARS AGO SO THAT WE COULD SEE THE PROGRESSION OF HOW IT HAS AGED, NOT HOW IT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF INTERNALLY, BUT HOW IT'S WEATHER THE STORM? YES SIR.
HOW IT'S AGED AND WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED IN YOUR INDUSTRY IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
THAT WOULDN'T BE NO PROBLEM AT ALL.
AND YOU HAVE INVITED US IN TO BE ABLE TO GO AND TAKE A TOUR, LOOK AT SOME HOMES.
AND TO SEE HOW THEY'RE MANUFACTURED AND TO HAVE A, A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE FOR ANY OF YOU TO DO THAT FOR SURE.
THAT WOULD GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THE HOUSES ARE NOW COMPARED TO WHAT THEY USED TO BID.
AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR HOW LONG? UH, I'VE BEEN IN THIS INDUSTRY FOR THREE YEARS.
AND YOU DO THIS EVERY DAY? EVERY DAY.
AND THAT MAKES YOU MORE OF A PROFESSIONAL THAN I AM IN THIS PARTICULAR INDUSTRY.
SO I WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, ONE IF IT'S THE APPETITE OF WHEN WE DO RECONVENE TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE KNOWLEDGE.
IF FOR NOTHING ELSE, JUST TO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE.
BECAUSE I THINK ALL OF US HAVE BEEN A LITTLE JADED BY TERMINOLOGY, BUT NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT TERMINOLOGY IS PROPER.
UH, SO I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU, THANK
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YOU FOR COMING AND ONCE AGAIN, I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THE TIME.I, AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE, YOUR INFORMATION AND, AND I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO COME TOWARD THE HOUSES.
I FEEL LIKE IF YOU COME TOWARD THE HOUSES, YOU'D BE BLOWN AWAY.
KIND OF SAME SITUATION THAT, THAT MARGARET WAS WHEN HE CAME AND TOED HOUSES WITH US.
IT IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS.
SO, AND LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS ALSO UNTIL I ACTUALLY TOED HOUSES.
AND, UH, IT IS DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAN WHAT IT USED TO BE.
MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE, COULD YOU JUST TELL ME THE RANGE OF THE, FROM THE, THE RANGE OF PRICE, PRICE POINT? YEP.
UH, SINGLE WIDES TURNKEY ON AN ENTRY LEVEL IS GONNA START AROUND 80,000.
UM, AS I SHARED WITH YOU GUYS EARLIER, TURNKEY IS GONNA BE EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR LIKE SEPTIC, UH, WATER TAP, YOU KNOW, US CONNECTING TO ALL THOSE THINGS IS IN THE PRICING.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA START AROUND.
UM, IF WE GO TO SOMETHING THAT'S FULL SHEET ROCK, TWO BY SIX EXTERIOR WALLS, REALLY GOOD QUALITY BUILT ONE 20 ISH, THAT'S FOR, UH, FOR DOUBLE WIDES, UH, EXCUSE ME, SINGLE WIDES.
DOUBLE WIDES ARE GONNA START AROUND 110, UH, TURNKEY FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE ENTRY LEVEL.
AND THEN, UH, THERE'S MUCH MORE RANGE WITH THE DOUBLE WIDES.
'CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT SIZES THAT WE HAVE IN DIFFERENT SETUPS.
UM, THE HIGHER END DOUBLE WISES THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD SELL ARE GONNA BE TWO 20 TO TWO 40.
UH, WHICH IS SOMETHING KIND OF SIMILAR, LIKE WHAT YOU WALKED INTO, ONE OF THE ONES YOU DID TOUR, WHICH I THINK WE TOURED A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING, JUST TO GIVE YOU A FEEL.
I DIDN'T WANNA JUST SHOW YOU JUST THE GOOD STUFF, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO IT GAVE YOU A CHANCE TO KIND OF TOUR DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT SOMETHING LIKE, UH, UH, 2, 2 20, 2 25.
I GUARANTEE IF YOU COME TOWARD THAT HOUSE, YOU'RE GONNA BE BLOWN AWAY.
NINE FOOT CEILING TRAY CEILINGS, OVERHEAD DUCT WORK, UH, EIGHT FOOT DOOR SOFT CLOSED CABINET, SOFT CLOSED DRAWERS, CERAMIC TILE, SHOWER, UH, ONCE AGAIN, TWO BY SIX, TWO BY FOUR INTERIOR WALLS.
THIS IS A SOLID BUILD HOUSE BY THE TIME IT'S ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY.
UH, ANOTHER THING PEOPLE THINK IS WITH SINGLE WIS, DOUBLE WIS, WHATEVER IT HAPPENED TO BE, THAT THEY GO DOWN IN VALUE, BUT AS LONG AS IT'S TIED TO YOUR PROPERTY AND IT'S REAL PROPERTY, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
WE HAVE INVESTORS THAT BUY HOUSES FROM US JUST TO TURN AND SELL THAT THEY DON'T NEVER EVEN LIVE IN.
SO THERE, THERE'S TONS OF OPPORTUNITY WITH THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING MARKET.
WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME ON THE 2 25 TO 250? UH, YOU'RE LOOKING THREE TO SIX MONTHS TOTAL PROJECT TIME.
IF IT'S A CASH TRANSACTION, THEN YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE ON THAT, THAT LOWER END OF, OF THE TIME PERIOD.
THE ONE THING IS EACH BUILDER THAT WE WORK WITH HAS DIFFERENT LEAD TIMES.
UM, WITH FLEETWOOD, WE CAN HAVE THEM BUILD A HOUSE FOR US IN FOUR WEEKS.
UH, CHAMPION, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR, OUR HIRING BUILDERS THAT WE WORK WITH, UH, THEY'RE OUT OF, UH, LILLINGTON AND THEN LAURINBURG, UH, WITH THOSE, WE'RE LOOKING PROBABLY SIX WEEKS FOR THEM TO BUILD IT ONCE WE GET A HOUSE.
AND IT'S, IT'S ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY, IT'S TIED DOWN AND SECURED.
IT'S NORMALLY 30 TO 45 DAYS FOR US TO BE COMPLETED.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE INSPECTION PROCESSES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, JUST LIKE YOU NORMALLY WOULD.
WOULD IT EVER BENEFIT THE MANUFACTURERS TO WORK ON SEVERAL PRODUCTS WITHIN A SPECIFIC AREA AT ONE TIME? OR WOULD IT NOT BE OF ANY KIND OF CONSEQUENCE AND JUST, HEY, TAKE ONE PROJECT AT A TIME TO START IT, UH, AND COMPLETE IT AND THEN MOVE TO THE NEXT? OR WOULD IT BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT PROJECTS WITHIN A TWO BLOCK AREA? WE DEFINITELY, ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS IN THE SAME, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY TYPE, SET UP PROPERTY AREA, UM, I MEAN WE HANDLE SO MANY DIFFERENT PROJECTS AT, AT THE SAME TIME.
RIGHT NOW OUR COMPANY HAS 13 DIFFERENT STORES.
SO, BUT IS IT MORE BENEFICIAL TO WORK ON SEVERAL PRODUCTS WITHIN A CONCENTRATED AREA? YEAH.
OR JUST TO GO AHEAD AND JUST COMPLETE ONE START ONE COMPLETE ONE.
'CAUSE IT IS REALLY EITHER WAY.
I MEAN, IF IT WAS SOMETHING WHERE SOMEBODY'S WANTING LIKE MULTIPLE HOMES DONE ON A PROJECT, WE CAN STILL GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED AS WE WOULD JUST DOING ONE BY ITSELF.
WHAT WE WOULD DO AT THAT POINT IS WITH OUR CONTRACTORS THAT WE PARTNER WITH, IT'S ALL SCHEDULING BASED.
SO WE COULD HAVE THINGS SCHEDULED TO WHERE IF THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN THE SAME AREA, PLUS WORKING WITH, WITH, WITH YOU GUYS OR WHOEVER WOULD HAPPEN TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S GONNA GET PUT TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON TOP OF AND GETTING IT DONE.
LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS QUICK AS WE CAN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M GOOD.
THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION.
AND PLEASE, UH, IT'S DOWN EASTVIEW CUSTOM HOMES IN NEW BERN, RIGHT ON 17, UH, BY THE TUS AURORA EXIT.
YOU GO RIGHT PAST THE TUS AURORA EXIT.
WE'RE RIGHT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
UM, I'D LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO COME DOWN AND ACTUALLY WALK SOME
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HOUSES AND WE CAN KIND OF SIT DOWN, I CAN SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF PICTURES ABOUT FOUNDATION SET UP AND, AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.I DIDN'T KNOW IF WITH THIS PRESENTATION, IF I WAS JUST GONNA BE ANSWERING QUESTIONS MORE THAN ANYTHING.
SO I APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T PREPARE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
CAN I GET YOUR NAME AGAIN PLEASE? UH, YEAH.
MY FIRST NAME IS JOHN AND MY LAST IS FORD, FOR JOHN FORD.
JUST LIKE A FORD PICKUP TRUCK.
SO, AND, AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TIME CONSIDERATION.
I THINK THIS COULD BE BIG FOR THE COMMUNITY THOUGH.
IT, IT COULD OPEN UP A WHOLE LOT OF DOORS FOR FOLKS, SO.
[7. Presentation on Brownfields Grant by Mr. Ryan Sadler, TRC Companies]
WE'LL HAVE, UH, MR. RYAN FROM TRC WITH THE BROWNSFIELD GRANT.HOW ARE YOU DOING, RYAN? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'M WAITING FOR THIS TO BOOT UP.
JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING TRC TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A UPDATE OF YOUR EPA BROWNFIELDS ASSESSMENT AND PLANNING GRANT.
UM, SO I AM YOUR PRESENTER TODAY.
I'M ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST BY TRADE AND, UH, ONE OF TRCS BROWNFIELD PROJECT MANAGERS HERE IN THE MID-ATLANTIC.
UH, JUST A QUICK LITTLE SLIDE ABOUT TRC.
UH, WE DO OTHER WORK IN NEW BERN A LOT WITH YOUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, UH, STORM WATER, UM, BUT TR C'S A GLOBAL, UH, FULL SERVICE ENGINEERING, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTING FIRM.
UH, ABOUT 8,500 EMPLOYEES AND ROUGHLY 300 OF THOSE WITHIN THE LOCAL AREA TO SERVE YOU GUYS.
UM, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE NEWS THAT, UH, TRC WAS ACQUIRED BY WSP.
SO, UH, IT IS OFFICIAL NOW, BUT WE WON'T BE KNOWN AS WSP UNTIL JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR.
UM, BUT THEY'RE ALMOST 30,000 EMPLOYEES NOW WITH TRC.
UH, SO THESE NUMBERS, CERTAINLY THE LOCAL STAFF THAT ARE ABLE TO SUPPORT YOU GUYS IS GONNA PROBABLY TRIPLE, UH, TOO FAR THERE.
ALL RIGHT, UH, ANOTHER SLIDE SHOWING YOU, AGAIN, OUR LOCAL VIRGINIA AND NORTH CAROLINA MIDATLANTIC, UH, EXPERIENCE WITH THESE BROWNFIELD GRANTS.
UM, I PERSONALLY HAVE WORKED ON, I THINK ALL BUT THREE OF THESE PROGRAMS. UM, AND WHEN I SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'RE THERE FROM START TO FINISH.
SO, UM, WE PRESENT THE GRANT OPPORTUNITY LIKE WE DID TO YOU GUYS.
WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD FIT FOR NEWBURN.
UM, CREATE THE APPLICATION, HELP YOU GUYS SUBMIT IT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LUCKY ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS TO AWARD US THE, THE CONTRACT TO PERFORM THE ENVIRONMENTAL WORK ON THE BACK END, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
UM, A LOT OF THESE ARE MULTI GRANTEES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, TOWN OF PULASKI, ONE THAT I MANAGE, AND I THINK THEY'RE ON THEIR FIFTH ASSESSMENT AND PLANNING GRANT.
SO ONCE YOU GET YOUR FIRST, WHICH IS USUALLY THE MOST DIFFICULT, AND YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL AND YOU CAN SHOW EPA, BUT YOU'RE MAKING PROGRESS, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, YOU HAVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY OF GETTING AWARDED IN THE NEXT YEAR.
FIVE, I THINK LYNCHBURG HAS HAD FOUR MARTINSVILLE JUST ONE ANOTHER.
UM, SO YEAH, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY NEW BURN'S.
SECOND, YOU GUYS HAD ONE BACK IN 2011, 2012, BUT THAT WAS ANOTHER CONSULTANT
UM, SO WHY ARE WE HERE? UM, IN 2021, TRC DID APPROACH, UH, CITY STAFF AND SAY, HEY, WE THINK YOU'RE A GOOD FIT FOR THIS GRANT PROGRAM, UM, HELP PREPARE THE APPLICATION.
AND LUCKILY ENOUGH, YOU GUYS RECEIVED A $500,000, UH, AWARD IN 2022.
THE PROGRAM WAS A LITTLE SLOW TO GET GOING.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME TURNOVER HERE IN THE CITY.
I THINK, UH, WE'RE ON PROJECT MANAGER, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE WITH THE ASIA.
UM, SO TRC WAS NOT SELECTED AS AN EP UNTIL WELL OVER A YEAR.
YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE THE GRANT, SO IT WAS SITTING THERE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY NOT DOING ANYTHING.
UM, BUT WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF TRYING TO GET YOU TO THE FINISH LINE, WHICH, UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE.
BUT THE PURPOSE OF THIS GRANT IS TO PROVIDE FUNDS TO INVENTORY, CHARACTERIZE, ASSESS, AND CONDUCT CLEANUP PLANNING FOR BROWNFIELD PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, BLIGHTED PROPERTIES IN THE COMMUNITY.
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UM, WHERE EPA STOPS WITH THIS GRANT, IT DOESN'T DO ANY CLEANUP.IT'S STRICTLY ASSESSMENT AND PLANNING.
SO IF WE DO AN ASSESSMENT AND WE FIND SOME ISSUES IN THE GROUNDWATER OF THE SOLE OF THE VAPOR, WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, EPA WILL PAY TO DO A STUDY, UM, THAT'LL TELL YOU THE BEST WAY TO FIX IT, RIGHT? UM, BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO SEEK OTHER FUNDS TO DO THAT CLEANUP.
UH, NEBA HAS OTHER GRANTS FOR THAT.
SO, I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD THIS SPIEL BEFORE.
I KNOW, I DON'T THINK I'VE PRESENTED IT TO YOU, UH, MR. STEVE THERE.
BUT, UH, SO WHAT IS A BROWNFIELD? IT, IT'S ANY REAL PROPERTY THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR, UH, EXPANSION AND REDEVELOPMENT OR REUSES, YOU KNOW, UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTY.
IT DOESN'T, TYPICALLY THEY'RE VACANT.
UM, YOU HAS AN OLD ABANDONED BUILDING ON IT, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE.
UH, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE A BUILDING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON IT.
UM, BUT IT HAS TO HAVE THE POTENTIAL OR THE PERCEPTION THAT IT IS CONTAMINATED BY SOME SORT OF HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE.
UH, THERE WAS A GAS STATION NEXT DOOR, OR LET'S SAY THIS BUILDING HERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A FORMER DRY CLEANER.
IT WASN'T BECAUSE I, I DON'T WANNA GET MR. MUMFORD IN TROUBLE HERE, BUT
UM, BUT IF YOU SEE A, A, A BUILDING LIKE THIS, THAT'S 10 18, 10 20 MAIN STREET, AND YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER DRIVING BY, HE'S LOOKING FOR PROPERTIES TO, YOU KNOW, FLIP.
AND HE SEES THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS A LITTLE SCARY 'CAUSE IT'S JUST BEEN SITTING THERE FOR WHO KNOWS HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, 30, 40 YEARS ABANDONED.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT VINES ALL OVER IT.
IT MIGHT HAVE A DRUMMER OR TWO LAYING AROUND.
THE DEVELOPER IS GONNA BE A LITTLE, UH, SCARED TO TAKE ON ANY KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL LIABILITY ON TAKING ON A, A BROWNFIELD PROPERTY LIKE THIS.
AND TYPICALLY, AGAIN, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A PROPERTY LIKE THIS THAT'S IN DISREPAIR, THE OWNER OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO UPKEEP IT, MUCH LESS PAY FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES THAT HE NEEDS TO HELP PROMOTE, UH, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEN AGAIN, ON THE DEVELOPER SIDE, LIKE MR. STEWART, UM, DOES HE WANT TO SPEND $10,000 OR, YOU KNOW, FOR A PHASE ONE OR 50 FOR A PHASE TWO, JUST TO FIND OUT THAT THERE'S SOMETHING ON THERE THAT HE WANTS TO WALK AWAY FROM.
SO WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS ALL THESE LITTLE MOM AND PROP STORES AND GAS STATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THIS, THEY JUST SIT AND THEY ROT, UH, UNTIL THEY HAVE TO BE TORN DOWN, RIGHT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE BLIGHT ON THE COMMUNITY.
THEY BECOME AREAS THAT ARE VANDALIZED OR USED FOR DRUG USE OR, YOU KNOW, YOU NAME IT.
UM, BUT THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT, UH, BENEFITING THE COMMUNITY IN ANY WAY AS FAR AS JOBS OR BEING ON THE TAX ROLL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHERE EPA STEPS IN, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS PROGRAM.
UH, PEOPLE DO GET A LITTLE SCARED, BUT THE EPA, RIGHT? UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE ME CLEAN THIS AND THAT UP.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROGRAM.
IT'S STRICTLY TO HELP COMMUNITIES REDEVELOP THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE JUST SITTING THERE IDLE.
SO, UH, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THEM? FIRST, WE NEED TO IDENTIFY 'EM.
WE CREATE A, AN INVENTORY, BASICALLY.
AND THAT CAN BE DOING DRIVE-BYS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN WITH, UH, MARVIN OR, UM, LOOKING AT SITES.
UH, AND I REMEMBER ME AND CHRIS SEABIRD, WE WENT LIKE DOOR TO DOOR TALKING TO BUSINESS OWNERS.
YOU TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, WE'LL LOOK AT OLD MAPS.
SO ONCE WE HAVE 'EM, WE CAN PUT 'EM IN A DATABASE AND THEN THE, THE CITY CAN WORK ON PRIORITIZING WHICH ONES ARE MOST IMPORTANT, UH, AND THEN THEY CAN DIRECT UST RC TO PERFORM THE ASSESSMENTS AND ON.
THEN WE'LL DO THE PLANNING AND, UH, REUSE REDEVELOPMENT ON THE BACK END, WHICH IS WHAT WE ALL HOPE TO SEE.
SO, UH, THIS IS A TYPICAL, UH, EPA BROWNFIELDS GRANT PROJECT TIMELINE WITH THE TASK BROKEN DOWN.
UM, TYPICALLY TASK ONE IS GONNA BE SET UP FOR YOUR, UH, GRANT ADMINISTRATION.
SO YOU HAVE TO DO QUARTERLY REPORTING, ANNUAL REPORTING, UH, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT REPORTING.
TASK TWO IS THE INVENTORY, THE MAPPING, UM, AND THEN GETTING ACCESS TO THE SITE, DOING THE PRIORITIZATION.
TASK THREE AGAIN, THEN THIS IS A EPA ASSESSMENT GRANT.
SO BULK OF YOUR MONEY IS GONNA BE SPENT IN TASK THREE.
AND THAT'S GOING OUT AND DOING THE PHASE ONE ASSESSMENTS, THE PHASE TWO ASSESSMENTS, UM, CREATING THE WORK PLANS ALSO THAT ARE NECESSARY TO COMPLETE THOSE.
AND THEN TASK FOUR, UH, WHICH I THINK THIS GROUP IS MOST CONCERNED WITH, IS HOW CAN THIS PROGRAM HELP WITH, UH, REDEVELOPMENT PLANNING.
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THAT A BIT.SO GETTING BACK TO THE INVENTORY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT OLD FIRE INSURANCE SANBORN MAPS.
THOSE WILL TELL US WHERE THOSE OLD GAS STATIONS WERE, WHERE THOSE OLD, UM, DRY CLEANERS WERE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE LOCALITY, SUCH AS NEW BERN'S BEEN AROUND FOR FOREVER, UM, A LOT OF THESE GO BACK TO THE 18 HUNDREDS.
AND IT'S REALLY NEAT TO REVIEW THESE MAPS AND SEE WHAT WAS WHERE BACK IN THE DAY.
WE'LL ALSO LOOK AT THE OLD TELEPHONE DIRECTORIES.
UM, CERTAINLY DEQS REGULATORY DIRECTORIES.
THOSE WILL TELL US WHERE THERE'S BEEN, UH, DOCUMENTED SPILLS AND RELEASES THAT WE CAN CONSIDER.
ALL RIGHT, UH, JUST A COUPLE INVENTORY EXAMPLES.
THEY CAN BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS JUST A MAP, UM, DIFFERENT SHADED REGIONS OR HIGHLIGHTED PROPERTIES THAT WE'VE WORKED ON.
OR IT CAN GET VERY TECHNICAL AND BE AN INTERACTIVE, UH, GIS DATABASE.
WE CAN GO IN AND SELECT THINGS AND PULL UP INFORMATION.
UM, RIGHT NOW, WHAT THE CITY HAS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH, UH, DIA'S OFFICES, UH, IT'S A MICROSOFT INTERACTIVE LIST.
EITHER ONE OF US, THE CITY OR TRC, CAN UPDATE IT AND, UH, CHECK OUT THAT INVENTORY AT ANY TIME.
SO, AGAIN, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS ARE THE BULK OF THIS PROGRAM.
UM, THAT INCLUDES PHASE ONES, WHICH IS REALLY THE BUILDING BLOCK OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT FOLLOWS PHASE TWOS.
WE CAN DO ASBESTOS, LEAD BASED PAINT ASSESSMENTS, SURVEYS, MOLD SURVEYS, STRUCTURAL EVALUATIONS, GEOPHYSICAL.
SO THAT'S WHEN YOU BRING OUT THE GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, THOSE TYPES OF TECHNOLOGIES TO TRY AND FIND BURIED, UH, UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS.
UM, WE DO THREATENING ENDANGERED SPECIES REVIEWS, UH, DUE DILIGENCE TYPE STUDIES, WETLANDS DELINEATION, UM, HISTORIC RESOURCES.
SO A COUPLE OF SITES UP IN, UH, PULASKI THAT I MENTIONED.
UM, WE HIRED A SPECIAL CONSULTANT THAT HELPED A COUPLE OLD SCHOOLS BE REGISTERED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER SO THAT DEVELOPER COULD GET THOSE TAX CREDITS, UH, OR ELSE THAT PROJECT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN VIABLE FOR THEM.
BUT ONCE THEY HAVE TAX CREDITS, YEP, THEY'RE ABLE TO TURN THOSE OLD SCHOOLS INTO HOUSING PROJECTS.
SO WHAT IS A PHASE ONE? IT'S A REALLY A REAL ESTATE DOCUMENT THAT FOLLOWS A STRICT INDUSTRY STANDARD.
UH, AND YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL PROFESSIONAL WILL GO TO THE SITE.
WE'RE GONNA REVIEW ALL THOSE HISTORICAL RESOURCES.
UH, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE REGULATORY DATABASES AND PERFORM INTERVIEWS.
TALK TO YOUR LOCAL RESPONDERS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, HEY, IF YOU HAD TO COME OUT HERE FOR A BILL OR ANYTHING.
UM, AND USING THAT INFORMATION, WE WILL MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER WE THINK THIS PROPERTY MAY BE IMPACTED BASED ON PAST USE OF THE PROPERTY OR, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
AND IF WE DO THINK THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL ISSUE, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD REC RECOMMEND COMING BACK OUT FOR A PHASE TWO.
UH, PHASE TWO IS, UH, YOU KNOW, HANDS ON.
WE'RE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GONNA BRING IN A DRILL RIG, COLLECT CORE SAMPLES FOR, SO INSTALL SOME GROUNDWATER WELLS, TEST THE WATER, UM, IF IT'S IN A BUILDING SUCH AS, UH, UH, YOUR OFFICES AT 3 0 1, 3 0 3 FIRST STREET.
UH, WE JUST DID A, A ASSESSMENT OF THAT PROPERTY.
THERE WAS A CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL USES ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, UH, POTENTIAL VAPORS GETTING IN THAT BUILDING.
SO WE TOOK, UH, INDOOR AND SOIL GAS SAMPLES.
SO THE LAST TASK IS THE REMEDIATION AND REDEVELOPMENT PLANNING.
AGAIN, IF A PHASE TWO SHOWS ANY IMPACT, WE CAN'T EXACTLY CLEAN IT UP WITH THIS PROGRAM, BUT YOU COULD DO, UH, WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO IS A ANALYSIS OF BROWNFIELD'S CLEANUP ALTERNATIVES.
UH, ENGINEER WILL LOOK AT THE RESULTS OF THE, THE STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE, PROVIDE A COUPLE, UH, CLEANUP OPTIONS AND COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE EFFECTIVENESS, AND KIND OF EVALUATE THOSE AND RANK THEM AND SAY, OKAY, WE THINK THIS IS YOUR BEST, UH, CLEANUP ALTERNATIVE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND THESE PARTICULAR CONTAMINANTS.
YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THE MONEY'S NOT THERE TO CLEAN IT UP, YOU'VE GOT THAT PLAN IN PLACE TO DO THE CLEANUP.
UH, MARKET STUDIES, COMMUNITY HEALTH ASSESSMENTS, UM, REUSE VISIONS, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE
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COMMUNITY IN, DOING CONCEPTUAL SITE PLANS, UH, YOU KNOW, CHARETTES, THAT SORT OF THING.UM, SITE DISPOSITION STRATEGIES CAN KIND OF FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO FOR PROPERTY TRANSFER LIABILITY MANAGEMENT.
UM, THESE ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES ON THIS, UH, SHEET.
UM, EPA IS VERY FLEXIBLE IN THE THINGS THAT THEY WILL PAY FOR, UM, AS LONG AS IT'S CONCEPTUAL, REALLY IN NATURE.
WHERE THEY STOP WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT PLANNING IS STAMPED ENGINEERED DRAWINGS.
UM, AND I'LL SHOW SOME EXAMPLES.
WE CAN GET REALLY CLOSE
UM, SO THE PICTURE ON THIS SLIDE IS THE PRINCETON, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER.
WHAT IT WAS, UM, WE DID SOME ASSESSMENTS ON IT.
THEY WANTED CONCEPTS THAT WE HIRED.
DUN AND DALTON, I THINK THEY'RE OUT OF KINSTON.
THEY DID A COUPLE RENDERINGS, UH, OPTIONS OF HOW TO SPRUCE UP THIS OLD QUA MILITARY KWANZA HUT, RIGHT? IT WAS REALLY UGLY, BUT THAT'S THEIR COMMUNITY CENTER.
UM, SO THEY, THEY SETTLED ON ONE OF THESE CONCEPTS, HEY, WE WANT TO GO WITH THAT.
AND THEY PRESENTED THAT TO THE TOWN AND THEY STARTED A FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN.
THEY ENDED UP GETTING SO MUCH, UH, FUNDING, NOT ONLY PRIVATE, BUT UH, PUBLIC FUNDING.
BUT THEY DECIDED TO DITCH THIS EFFORT, WHICH I'M GLAD THEY DID, AND BUILD A COMPLETELY NEW, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO, UH, NEXT EXAMPLE I HAVE FOR YOU, AND THIS IS, UH, OUR CLIENT IN LEWISBURG, NORTH CAROLINA.
UH, BEFORE, COME ON, LEMME DO THAT.
UM, BEFORE WE GOT ON BOARD, THEY TOOK ON THIS GAS STATION, WHICH WE WOULD PROBABLY TOLD 'EM NOT TO DO UNTIL, UM, LET'S PAUSE, TRY TO GET IT TO PAUSE.
WE'RE HAVING THIS TROUBLE LATELY.
UM, ANYWAY, THEY BOUGHT THE GAS STATION.
WE DID A PHASE TWO EPA, PAID FOR THE TOWN TO GET THE TANKS REGISTERED IN THEIR NAME, UH, SO THAT THEY COULD BE ENROLLED INTO THE STATE SYSTEM TO GET THE FUNDS TO DO ANY KIND OF CLEANUP IF THEY NEEDED TO.
UM, AND EPA PAID TO PULL THE TANKS OUT AS PART OF THE PHASE TWO ASSESSMENT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EPA JUST STARTED WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
THEY DIDN'T USE TO ALLOW ANY KIND OF LIKE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY LIKE THAT.
NOW YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE THE CASE TO HAVE A, UH, VERY THOROUGH PHASE TWO.
WE NEED TO SAMPLE UNDER THAT TANK
SO ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS PULL THE TANK.
UM, BUT AS PART OF THAT PROJECT, THE TOWN WAS GOING AFTER A NC COMMERCE GRANT FOR $450,000 TO TURN THIS OLD GAS STATION INTO A NEW, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER.
THEY DID THIS SIMPLE, UH, CONCEPTUAL DRAWING.
THEY SUBMITTED THAT WITH THEIR APP APPLICATION AND THEY WERE AWARDED THE $450,000.
AND THE OTHER PICTURE IN THERE IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY, WHICH IS PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE, UH, TO THE RENDERING THAT WAS PROVIDED.
SO VERY HAPPY WITH THE OUTCOME OF THAT PROJECT.
SO FROM A GAS STATION TO A NEW COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO THIS PROJECT IS MORE OF A CASE STUDY.
WE DID A LOT MORE AT THIS SITE.
UM, THIS IS A, YOU CAN SEE THE FOUNDRY OFF TO THE RIGHT IN THIS PICTURE.
AND THE BUILDING THAT I'M FOCUSING ON IS THEIR FORMER OFFICE BUILDING.
BUT BECAUSE IT WAS SO CLOSE TO ALL THE MANUFACTURING, UM, THIS SITE WAS CONTAMINATED AS WELL, MOSTLY WITH HEAVY METALS.
BUT WE DID A PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, UH, LEAD BASED PAINT.
AND AS, ESPECIALLY SURVEYS HERE, GEOPHYSICAL TO LOCATE TANKS, WE DID FIND ONE.
UM, THEY DIDN'T END UP GETTING THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION, BUT WE DID HELP THEM PREPARE THE APPLICATION, UM, INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS FOR WHAT THE TOWN HAD ALREADY IDENTIFIED A NEED.
AND, UH, BEGAN A PARTNERSHIP WITH A LOCAL BREWER THAT WAS LOOKING TO BRING A BUSINESS TO ULA.
SO THE CONCEPTS AND THE FLOOR PLANS AND COST ESTIMATES THAT WERE PERFORMED WERE STRICTLY FOR THAT END USE.
AND THEN, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THEIR EPA GRANT.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T DO THIS IN NORTH CAROLINA, BUT VIRGINIA'S BROWNFIELD PROGRAM, A GRANTEE CAN USE THEIR EPA MONEY AS THEIR
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REQUIRED 50% MATCH FOR THE STATE'S PROGRAM.SO IT ENDS UP BEING NO MONEY OUT OF POCKET FOR THE TOWNS TO USE THE STATE'S FUNDS.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY NORTH CAROLINA IS, UH, SET UP COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
BUT, UH, SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE, ONE OF THE FOUR PLANS FOR THAT BREWERY.
YOU'LL SEE THE, YOU KNOW, THE BREWING TANKS ON THE LEFT, THE DINING ON THE BOTTOM, UH, WHERE THE BAR IS.
I MEAN, THESE ARE PRETTY FULFILLED DRAWINGS, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTION LEVEL DRAWINGS.
UM, BUT DEFINITELY ENOUGH TO GET, UH, THE PROJECT WHERE IT NEEDED TO BE.
THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, THERE WERE ELEVATION CON CONCEPTS THAT WERE MADE.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, ALL FOUR SIDES, THAT BEING THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AND THEN THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS LIKE THIS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW OPENINGS WOULD BE CHANGED AND HOW IT WOULD LOOK.
UM, SITE PLAN, THIS IS AGAIN, IS HOW IT LOOKS TODAY.
YOU GOT THE OUTDOOR SEATING, YOU'VE GOT THE, UH, CORN HOLE AREA.
THESE ARE THE COLOR RENDERINGS THAT WERE DONE.
AGAIN, NOT ALL OF 'EM, BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A TASTE OF THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
AGAIN, INTERIOR CONCEPTS, EXTERIOR SITE PLAN CONCEPT.
IT SEEMS SIMPLE, BUT JUST A PICTURE LIKE THIS IS ENOUGH TO REALLY GET PEOPLE ON BOARD TO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO VERSUS JUST TRYING TO TELL 'EM, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THIS IDEA.
YOU START SHOWING THEM PICTURES, YOU'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND THEN ONCE WE DID ALL THOSE CONCEPTS, WE HAD THE ARCHITECT PERFORM A COST ESTIMATE, LIKE, WHAT'S IT GONNA TAKE TO MAKE THESE CONCEPTS THAT YOU JUST PROVIDED US A REALITY.
I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT ALL INCLUDED.
BUT THE TOWN THEN USED ALL OF THIS THAT WAS FUNDED BY EPA AND THEY WRAPPED IT UP INTO AN INDUSTRIAL REVITALIZATION FUND GRANT FOR $750,000.
AND BECAUSE THEY HAD THE PLANS AND THEY HAD THE ESTIMATE, THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT TO ASK FOR.
THEY WERE AWARDED THE $750,000.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, LESKI HAS THEIR VERY FIRST, UM, BREWERY AND IT IS PACKED
'CAUSE THE TOWN HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
SO, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS AN OLD, UH, FOUNDRY OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S SAT VACANT FOR THE LAST PROBABLY 40 YEARS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A PROCESS.
UM, AND TO GET THIS SITE REDEVELOPED FROM THE TIME THE TOWN AND THE BREWER STARTED TALKING, IT WAS STILL PROBABLY A FIVE, SIX YEAR PROCESS TO GET ALL THE FUNDING IN PLACE TO DO ALL THE ASSESSMENTS, UM, AND TO GET ALL THE GRANT AWARDS.
SO LIKE THEY ALWAYS SAY YOU, HOW DO YOU EAT ELEPHANT IN SPITE AT A TIME.
UH, BUT THE CPA MONEY HELPS PICK AWAY AT IT.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, TO WRAP THINGS UP, THIS IS MY FINAL SLIDE.
UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU A PROJECT STATUS OF WHERE YOU'RE AT WITH YOUR GRANT.
PROVIDED A LIST OF, UH, SOME OF THE ADDRESSES THAT WE WORKED ON, UH, THE TYPES OF WORK WE'VE DONE, PHASE ONES, PHASE TWOS, GEO PHYSICAL.
UM, WE'VE GOT SOME CONCEPTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY OR PENDING.
UM, WE'VE DONE SOME HISTORICAL REVIEWS.
AND, UH, SO BUDGET EXPENDITURE, CURRENTLY WE'VE GOT ABOUT $124,000 REMAINING.
UM, THOSE ARE CURRENTLY ADD ALLOCATED TO CURRENT OR PROJECTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT IN THE PIPELINE.
SO YOUR ORIGINAL GRANT WAS SUPPOSED TO END ON SEPTEMBER 30TH OF THIS YEAR.
UM, SINCE WE'VE GOT 125,000 ROUGHLY TO SPEND, EVEN THOUGH WE, WE PROBABLY COULD DO IT IF WE PUSHED REAL HARD, UM, WE DIDN'T WANNA LEAVE ANY MONEY ON THE TABLE, SO WE DID ASK EPA FOR A GRANT EXTENSION.
UM, THEY VERBALLY APPROVED THAT.
SO WE HAVE BEEN GRANTED ANOTHER YEAR TO SPEND THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY UNDER YOUR CURRENT GRANT.
UM, SO CLOSE OUT, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL YEAR, WE STILL WILL PROBABLY FINISH UP IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN, UH, I HAVE THERE ANY QUESTION MARKS? I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU ASKED ABOUT MARVIN AS A, DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A NEW APPLICATION, UH, IN FALL OF 2026? SO JUST TO MAKE YOU AWARE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE END OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION LEVEL OF, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL FUNDING.
SO WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION GOING INTO,
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UH, FISCAL YEAR 27, THAT AMOUNT, THE FUNDING FOR BROWN HILLS HAS BEEN DRASTICALLY CUT, UNFORTUNATELY.SO FOR THESE TYPES OF GRANTS, THE ASSESSMENT AND PLANNING GRANTS, THEY'VE SAID THAT THEY'RE ONLY GONNA AWARD 30 ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY NEXT YEAR.
UH, SO IF YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE FOR EVERY STATE THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT EVEN RIGHT.
SO IT'S GONNA BE SUPER COMPETITIVE.
UM, I THINK WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A COMPELLING APPLICATION FOR NEWBURG, UH, AGAIN, SHOWING YOUR, YOUR PROGRESS, YOUR EFFORTS THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT MORE SITES THAT, THAT NEED ATTENTION IN THE CITY.
UM, AND AGAIN, HARKEN BACK TO MY EARLIER SLIDE, THE, IF YOU'RE AN EXISTING GRANTEE, THEY SCORE YOU ON A DIFFERENT SCALE SO YOU GET A BETTER CHANCE AT WINNING YOUR SECOND VERSUS TRYING TO, UH, GET YOUR FIRST.
I HOPE I DIDN'T BORE YOU TOO MUCH HERE,
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FROM, UM, THE, THE PROJECT LIST THAT YOU'VE HAD THERE? OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THOSE THAT ARE WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT, THOSE ARE, DO THOSE PROJECTS, DOES THAT ADD UP TO THE 1 24 THAT YOU HAD OVER THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN NO, NO, THE 1 24 IS WHAT WE'VE GOT LEFT.
SO THAT WOULD ADD UP TO THE THREE, 300 AND SOMETHING THAT WAS MIS SUBMITTED.
SO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ACTIVE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'VE GOT 124 MORE, CORRECT? YEAH, WE'VE GOT A PHASE TWO ARE YOUR BIGGEST MONEY, UH, EXPENDITURES.
SO WE'VE GOT ONE PLANNED FOR, UH, PROPERTY ACROSS FROM 3 0 1, 3 0 3 FIRST STREET ON, SO IT'S 12 43, 12 49 P*****K STREET.
AND THERE USED TO BE AN OLD, UH, DRY CLEANER THERE AS WELL.
AND THE 2011 2012 GRANT, THEY DID A KIND OF A AREA WIDE STUDY, WHICH, UH, I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN DONE BEFORE.
UM, AND THEY TESTED A SPOT ON THAT PROPERTY BACK THEN AND IT WAS CONTAMINATED.
SO WE CERTAINLY EXPECT TO FIND SOMETHING NOW TOO.
UM, BUT IT'LL PROVIDE CLARITY AGAIN TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND SAY, UH, NOT JUST GUESSING ANYMORE THAT WE THINK IT'S CONTAMINATED OR IT MIGHT BE CONTAMINATED AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT IT IS AND THIS IS, UH, HOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT ONE, PHASE TWO, THERE'S SEVERAL CONCEPTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY THAT HAVEN'T HIT OUR BOOKS YET TO BE, UH, BILLED TO THE CITY.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT, UH, ONE THAT'S UNDER HISTORICAL REVIEW BEFORE WE CAN GET THAT CONCEPT STARTED.
AND IF WE HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT UP, LEFT OUT, I KNOW CURTIS
UM, SO EVEN IF WE DON'T HIT THAT 1 24 MARK, UM, WE KNOW WE'VE GOT A COUPLE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, READY TO GO.
SO WE'LL STILL FINISH UP, LIKE I SAID, IN THAT FIRST QUARTER 2027.
SO YOU MENTIONED THE, UM, THE FUNDING THAT'S OUT THERE, I GUESS FOR THE, THE FIRST PIECE FOR, FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
HAS HAS BEEN DRAMATICALLY LIMITED UNDER THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION? THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH.
HOW IS THE, THE SECOND ROUND, SO THE GRANTS THAT YOU WOULD APPLY FOR, FOR THE REMEDIATION AND FOR THE, THE REDEVELOPMENT, HOW IS THAT FUNDED? I THINK IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO THEY, THERE'S ONE TIME GRANT, I BELIEVE IT'S THE MULTIPURPOSE GRANT WHERE IT'S CLEAN CLEANUP AND ASSESSMENT.
I THINK THEY DO THAT EVERY OTHER YEAR.
UM, SO THEY PROBABLY WON'T HAVE THAT THIS YEAR.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE PROBABLY ASSESSMENT CLEANUP AND TRAINING GRANTS TO DO A CLEANUP GRANT, WHICH I HAVE ONE IN LEWISBURG.
YOU, THE CITY HAS TO BE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALREADY PERFORMED THE MAJORITY OF THE ASSESSMENTS PRIOR TO GOING FOR THAT GRANT APPLICATION.
SO, UH, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE ENTERTAIN.
UM, YOU'VE GOT, I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD REALLY COME TO MIND IS THE OLD, UM, HOTEL SITE.
WE DID A PHASE TWO THERE, WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE A REAL GOOD, YOU KNOW, CANDIDATE FOR A CLEANUP.
UM, SO OTHER THAN THAT, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY SITES WHERE WE'VE DONE THE, THE PROPER AMOUNT OF ASSESSMENT WORK THAT WOULD MAKE YOU ELIGIBLE FOR THE CLEANUP GRANT.
AND IF, I GUESS IF WE, IF YOU DO GO FORWARD, IF ANY OF THESE FIND ANYTHING THAT CONTINUES TO, TO MOVE THE PROJECTS FORWARD, ARE THERE ANY ULTIMATE LIMITATIONS THAT ARE IN PLAY ON WHAT THE PROPERTY CAN BE USED FOR AFTER IT IS REDEVELOPED? AFTER THIS IS REMEDIATED? I MEAN, LIKE COULD THAT FOUNDRY THAT YOU MENTIONED, COULD, COULD HOUSING HAVE BEEN BUILT ON THAT SITE
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OR WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN A NO GO? CAUSE SO, UM, PROPERTIES THAT HAVE IMPACT ARE, UH, EVALUATED RISK BASE.SO THE STATE LOOKS AT IT AND SAYS IT'S BASICALLY EITHER RESIDENTIAL IT ONE POT AND COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL IN ANOTHER.
SO IF A PERSON'S GONNA BE LIVING THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA BE SPENDING MORE THAN EIGHT HOURS A DAY.
THERE, THE KIDS ARE GONNA BE PLAYING IN THE DIRT.
THE STATE LOOKS AT THAT DIFFERENT, OR YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S LIKE A DAYCARE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, HUD AND THE STATE WOULD LOOK AT THAT DIFFERENT.
BUT IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS WHERE PEOPLE AREN'T ACTUALLY OCCUPYING THE BUILDING ALL DAY, UM, OR CERTAINLY INDUSTRIAL USE, THEN MOST OF THE TIME THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE A LITTLE CONTAMINATION ANYWAY.
SO, UH, THEY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CLEAN THEM UP TO THE SAME STANDARD.
SO IT JUST, IT DEPENDS, BUT USUALLY YOU, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE A, YOU CAN'T USE THIS UNLESS IT'S A, YOU KNOW, REALLY SCARY, SUPER FUN TYPE SITE.
THERE'S ALWAYS SOME WAY WHERE YOU CAN, UH, CARVE OUT A PIECE OF THE PROPERTY AND SAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH THAT.
OR PUT A GROUNDWATER USE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THE GROUNDWATER IS TOXIC, BUT IF YOU'RE IN THIS, IF YOU'RE IN THIS REDEVELOPMENT AREA, THE CITY SUPPLIES ALL THE WATER ANYWAY.
SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF AN OWNER WANTING TO PUT IN A DRINKING WELL IS, UH, NOT THERE ANYWAY.
SO YOU JUST PUT A, A, UH, WELL RESTRICTION ON THE DEED AND YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S THAT.
SO THERE THERE'S WAYS TO MITIGATE IT.
SO YOU TOUCHED ON, UH, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
THE CONDUCIVENESS, SUCH AS THE LEWISBURG PROJECT WHERE YOU HAD A GAS STATION YES, SIR.
HOW FAR DID YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND IN THAT AREA AFTER THOSE TANKS WERE PULLED UP TO SATISFY THE EPA TO THE POINT WHERE YOU COULD PUT A COMMUNITY CENTER ON TOP OF WHERE THERE WERE TANKS BURIED? SURE.
HOW FAR DID YOU HAVE TO VENTURE OUT? RIGHT.
WELL, ON THAT SITE WE WERE LUCKY AND THERE WAS MINIMAL CONTAMINATION.
IT APPEARED THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME LEAKAGE FROM THE DISPENSING LINE, BUT NOT FROM THE TANKS THEMSELVES.
AND THE SITE HAD ALREADY, UH, SO THIS WAS A GAS STATION FROM LIKE THE FIFTIES.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A GAS STATION.
UH, SO THEY HAD A PREVIOUS SPILL AT THE SITE.
AND BECAUSE AGAIN, RISK-BASED, THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL DRINKING SUPPLY WELLS WITHIN THE AREA, UH, WHO'S IT HURTING? RIGHT.
UH, IF YOU'RE NOT COMING INTO CONTACT WITH THAT GROUNDWATER, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S CONTAMINATED.
I KNOW THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW THE, HOW THE STATE LOOKS AT IT.
SO THE SITE ALREADY HAD SOME KNOWN IMPACT.
SO WHEN WE FOUND A LITTLE ADDITIONAL IMPACT, IT DIDN'T REALLY CHANGE THINGS.
UM, IF THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
UM, I SAY ABOUT, I THINK, I THINK WE DID EXCAVATE, YOU KNOW, JUST A, MAYBE A TRUCKLOAD OR TWO OF, OF THAT AREA THAT WAS CONTAMINATED BENEATH THE DISPENSING LINES.
BUT BECAUSE OF WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS, IT'S ON A CORNER AND YOU'VE GOT A BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO IT ON ONE SIDE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE TWO MAIN STREETS.
SO EVEN THOUGH DEQ IS REGULATING THIS, THEY KNOW YOU CAN'T GO.
BUT SO FAR YOU'RE LIMITED TO THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT YOU CAN DO ON YOUR PROPERTY.
SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE YOU DIG UP, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HIGHWAY TO TRY AND TRY AND FIX IT.
SO, SO THERE WERE NO LEGAL OR ENVIRONMENTAL BLOW BACK FROM WANTING TO PUT A COMMUNITY CENTER WHERE CHILDREN WOULD BE PLAYING IN THAT AREA? YES, SIR.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A, I MEAN, YES, THEY'RE PLAYING RIGHT, BUT THERE IS A HARDSCAPE ON TOP SO THAT THE CHILDREN ARE NOT COMING INTO CONTACT WITH ANY TYPE OF CONTAMINATED SOIL AND THE OKAY.
THE CLOSURE AGAIN, WAS RISK BASED BECAUSE IT WAS SO MINIMAL.
I SAW TWO OF THE SLIDES THAT HAD, UH, LOCAL PICTURES, ONE ON MAIN STREET, RURAL CIRCLE HALL, AND THE OTHER ON CEDAR STREET, THE OLD MARKET.
SO, AM I CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT NOTHING CAN REALLY BE DONE UNTIL A, UH, COMPANY SUCH AS YOURS HAS COME IN TO DO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE PROPERTIES? I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THOSE PROPERTIES WERE SHOWN ON A SLIDE.
OH, WELL THEY WERE JUST SHOWN AS EXAMPLES OF BROWNFIELDS.
I WASN'T PICKING ON 'EM OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, TO BE HONEST.
YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, LIKE I SAID, UH, PEOPLE, I LIKE TO SHOW PICTURES OF DIFFERENT BROWNFIELD TYPE SITES BECAUSE WHEN WE PRESENT THIS PROGRAM TO A LOT OF FOLKS, THEY IMMEDIATELY THINK THE HUGE TEXTILE PLANT, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, SOME LARGE FACILITY.
BUT WE, WHAT WE TRY TO EXPRESS IS IT CAN BE ONE OF THESE DOWNTOWN STOREFRONTS, UH, YOU KNOW, MOM AND POP GAS STATION DOESN'T.
SO I WAS JUST SHOWING THOSE EXAMPLES.
SO FROM WHAT YOU'VE SEEN FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, YOU COULD SEE THAT THEY'RE DILAPIDATED.
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YOU COULD SEE THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN IN USE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.YOU COULD ALMOST LOOK AT 'EM AND TELL THE AGE OF THEM.
YOU COULD LOOK AND IMAGINE THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME KIND OF ROOF DAMAGE, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE'S WATER DAMAGE, WHICH MEANS THAT THE INSIDE HAS GOT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL DANGER ON THE INSIDE.
THE, THE PERCEIVED CONTAMINATION PART THAT MAKES SOMETHING A BROWNFIELD IS A VERY
UM, BUT, UH, SO CONTAMINATION TRAVELS AND ESPECIALLY IN NEWBURN, WE'VE USED THIS ARGUMENT FOR EPA ON A COUPLE SITES THAT I WOULDN'T TYPICALLY THINK OF AS A BROWNFIELD BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FAR AWAY FROM COMMERCIAL, BUT BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE FLOODED SO OFTEN AND YOU DO HAVE CONTAMINATION IN DIFFERENT POCKETS, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME IT FLOODS THE, THOSE FLOOD WATERS ARE PICKING UP SEDIMENTS THAT CONTAIN WHO KNOWS WHAT.
AND THEN WHEN THE FLOOD WATERS ARE SEA, THOSE, UH, SEDIMENTS ARE LEFT ON YOUR PROPERTY OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS, JUST BASED ON THE FLOODING THAT HAPPENS HERE, THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR SOME KIND OF IMPACT.
AS MINIMAL AS IT MAY BE, WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE THAT ARGUMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT ANYTHING BASICALLY IN NEWBURN COULD BE A BROWNFIELD.
UH, ATTORNEY OR MARVIN, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING? RYAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING, MA'AM.
WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING KIND OF AT THE LAST MOMENT TO UH, PRESENT THIS TO US.
APPRECIATE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING? ALRIGHT.