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CALL[I. CALL TO ORDER]
TO ORDER THE JULY 16TH MEETING OF THE NEW BERN PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.UM, WE ALL PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME THROUGH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF OUR COUNTRY.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND, AND TO THE REPUBLIC OF WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE FOR LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
CAN I PLEASE GET A ROLL CALL? YES.
[V. CHAIRMAN’S REMARKS]
UM, NEXT DIAMOND CHAIRMAN REMARKS.SO WE'RE GONNA DO A COUPLE THINGS HERE.
FIRST, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE DO HAVE A VACANCY ON THIS BOARD, UH, NOW.
UM, AND SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN JOINING OUR BOARD, UH, PLEASE LET THE CLERK KNOW AND APPLY.
UM, ALSO WHILE WE'RE HERE, I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH, 'CAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT.
UM, THE WAY THIS IS GONNA WORK, SO WE'RE GONNA DO EACH ITEM.
THE STAFF WILL GIVE A COMMENT.
THEY'LL GIVE US A QUICK BRIEF POWERPOINT PRESENTATION OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ITEM.
AND YOUR SPEECH IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES ON THAT ITEM, AND IT'S ADDRESSING THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEM A, IT'S ONLY ON ITEM A AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM B, AND THEN IT'S ONLY ON ITEM B.
SO THREE MINUTES AT A TIME AND THEN WE WRAP UP WITH THE APPLICANT AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH THE AGENDA.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I'VE GOT THERE.
I'LL HAVE MORE COMMENTS ON OTHER THINGS AND LATER MEETINGS.
[VI.A. 201 Ellington Street - Rezoning]
UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX A 2 0 1 ELLINGTON STREET REZONING.UH, NOLA, DO YOU HAVE A BRIEF FOR US PLEASE? THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS.
SO OUR FIRST ITEM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT IS A REZONING FOR 2 0 1 ELLINGTON STREET.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS CYNTHIA MADDOX, REPRESENTING IATA SIGMA ZEDA, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS JAN KOWSKI.
UH, THIS PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY A THIRD ACRE IN SIZE, UH, AND THE REQUEST IS TO GO FROM THE R SIX S RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO THE C THE C FIVE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
UH, AND JUST TAKING A BRIEF LOOK AT THE ZONING DISTRICTS, UM, THE R SIX S ZONING DISTRICT IS NOT DEFINED WITHIN THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, BUT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE R SIX ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, AND DIMENSIONS, UH, WITH A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 6,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, AND THE S SIGNIFIES SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, MEANING THAT THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT, UM, FOCUSES ON SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AND DOES NOT PERMIT DUPLEXES OR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE COMMERCIAL FIVE ZONING DISTRICT IS ALSO KNOWN AS, UH, INSTITUTIONAL AND OFFICE DISTRICT.
UM, SO THESE ARE LOW INTENSITY USES LIKE, UM, OFFICES, UM, AND THEY CAN BE FOUND WITHIN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UM, AND PRODUCE LOW TRAFFIC.
SO TAKING A LOOK, UH, AT THE USE COMPARISON CHARTS, YOU'LL SEE BOTH THE USES OUTLINED HERE WITH THE SAMPLING OF USES.
UH, YOU'LL SEE R SIX S ON THE LEFT IN COMMERCIAL FIVE ON THE RIGHT.
I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO REVIEW THAT.
AND MOVING INTO OUR MAPS, UH, FIRST YOU'LL SEE THE VICINITY MAP.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS AT THE CORNER OF ELLINGTON STREET IN ALABAMA AVENUE, UM, AND JUST NORTH OF OAK STREET TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF YOUR MAP THERE.
THIS IS OUR HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER MAP.
THIS IS WHAT WE USE TO SEND NOTICE TO ADJOINING PROPERTIES.
AND HERE YOU'LL SEE THE AERIAL MAP.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THE USES, IT IS PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UH, YOU'LL SEE SOME VACANT PROPERTIES THERE AS WELL.
UH, SO THE PROPERTIES ABUTTING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE THE R SIX S RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
YOU'LL SEE ALONG OAK STREET, THERE ARE SUN C FIVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND A LITTLE BIT OF C3.
UH, ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF OAK STREET, THERE IS A TIRE SHOP AND A FURNITURE STORE.
THIS AREA IS MIXED WITH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES.
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ASKED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS REZONING, UTILIZING THE EXAMPLE CONSISTENCY STATEMENTS.BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
NOAH, DID YOU OR STAFF RECEIVE ANY CALLS FROM SENDING THE NOTICES OUT? UH, WE DID RECEIVE, UH, ONE INQUIRY ABOUT THE REZONING, UH, ABOUT WHAT THE INTENT WAS.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL CONTEXT YOU CAN SHARE ON THAT? UH, I BELIEVE, UH, THE CALLER IS HERE TODAY.
SO I, I BELIEVE SHE'S SPEAKING TONIGHT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR NOLA? NOLA, UM, ON THE PAST USES ON THIS PARCEL, IT'S R DASH SIX S AND IT, IT'S A VACANT CHURCH AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S OPERATED AS A CHURCH.
DO WE KNOW IF THAT WAS LEGALLY ILLEGAL ESTABLISHED USE THAT PAST USE? YES.
SO CHURCHES ARE SPECIAL USE, UH, WITHIN THIS DISTRICT AND THEY ARE A SUCCESS DISTRICT.
UM, WITH THAT I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND IT'S THREE MINUTES.
AND, UM, I ALSO WANT TO JUST REMIND THAT IT'S, THIS IS A COMMENT PHASE, SO THE BOARD ISN'T TAKING ANY QUESTIONS AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
IT'S JUST, UH, THIS IS YOUR OPINION ON THIS MATTER.
SO, UH, THAT I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
I AM THE ACQUISITION, UH, CHAIR FOR IOTA SIGMA ZETA.
WE ARE THE LOCAL CHAPTER OF ZETAS IN NEW BERN.
UM, WE PUT IN FOR THE REZONING BECAUSE WE WENT AND SAW THE FACILITY, WHICH IS, UH, WHEN I WALKED IN I COULD SEE THE POSS EXCUSE POSSIBILITY.
UH, REAL QUICK, IF YOU'RE THE APPLICANT, I'VE GOT A WHOLE OTHER SECTION THAT YOU CAN TALK AS LONG AS YOU WOULD LIKE, SO, OKAY.
WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? OKAY, COOL.
ALRIGHT, LET ME, UH, START THIS THING.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'S, UM, NOT IN THE APPLICANT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? RIGHT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME UP AND AND SPEAK.
JUST STATE YOUR, UH, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M 2107 STEEPLECHASE DRIVE IN TRENTWOOD, NORTH CAROLINA.
UM, I'M SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO IT.
TO ME IT REALLY SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT EVERYTHING OUT THERE IS.
THERE'S NOTHING BUT PUTTING ONTO THAT PROPERTY THAT IS COMMERCIAL AND WHAT'S GOING IN, WHAT THEY'RE SPEAKING OF GOING IN NOW IS PROBABLY A GOOD THING.
THE ONLY THING IS ONCE YOU GET THAT TO COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION, WHO KNOWS WHAT'S COMING IN NEXT.
THAT'S MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH IT.
UM, YOU DON'T, THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVEN'T BEEN ASKING FOR IT TO BE CHANGED.
AND TO ME, IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
BUT, UM, IT'S JUST MY OPINION AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION ON IT.
IT'S BANKED WITH RESIDENTIAL PLACES.
I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO BUY A LOT AND FIX IT UP AND SELL AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.
BUT, UM, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS IT SHOULD STAY AS IT IS FOR EITHER RESIDENTIAL ALTOGETHER.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF YOU COULD, UM, JUST SPEAK INTO THAT MICROPHONE SO US AND UH, ANYBODY THAT WATCHES THIS LATER ON YOUTUBE OR WHATEVER CAN HEAR IT.
HI, MY NAME'S UH, YA, PKI AND I'M THE OWNER OF 2 0 1 ELLINGTON.
I LIVE COME FROM UH, 1 1 1 4 NATIONAL AVENUE.
SO I'M 95 SECONDS AWAY FROM THAT PLACE.
UM, SO I'VE INVESTED IN THE AREA AND THAT ACTUALLY WAS A CHURCH SINCE 1940 I BELIEVE.
SO CLASSIFYING AS RESIDENTIAL ONLY, I BOUGHT IT AS RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL.
SO IT WASN'T JUST PURELY RESIDENTIAL.
AND IN WOODROW IT'S A, IT'S A GROWING PLACE.
OBVIOUSLY HAD ITS TROUBLE SHOWING THE STORMS WE HAD 5G FIVE YEARS AGO.
UM, AND HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT I'VE SEEN WITH NATIONAL AVENUE, HOW IT'S COME ALONG TO FIND PEOPLE THAT WERE WILLING TO INVEST A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO NEW BERLIN.
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IT'D BE HARD TO COME BY.THAT BUILDING TO FIND SOMEONE WHO'S GONNA INVESTED IN THAT WOULD BE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
I, I ASSUMING SO WE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL.
I WOULD BE GRATEFUL TO HAVE SOMEONE TO INVEST INTO THAT.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH I WANNA DO WITH THAT.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, SAY NONE.
I WILL THEN OPEN UP FOR THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK.
OKAY, I'M GONNA START THIS OVER AGAIN.
I AM THE ACQUISITION, UM, CHAIR OR IOTA SIGMA ZETA HERE AT THE LOCAL CHAPTER IN NEW BERN.
IT'S THE ZETAS, THE, UM, PHI BETA SIGMA LOCAL CHAPTER AND OUR ZEDA IKA.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR A PLACE WHERE WE CAN HAVE OUR MEETINGS, WHERE WE CAN, UM, MEET WITH OUR YOUTH, WHERE WE CAN GET OUR YOUTH INVOLVED IN THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE DESIGNATED FOR THEM TO DO.
I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE HERE THAT, UM, I KNOW WHEN YOU THINK OF A SORORITY, A FRATERNITY, AND THEN ONE OF OUR AUXILIARIES, THE FIRST THING YOU THINK IS WE GONNA GO HOOPING AND HOPPING
AND THAT IS NOT WHAT OUR INTENT IS FOR THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT I DID, I DID SPEAK TO HER ON THE PHONE AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU GUYS EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD HER, WHAT OUR INTENTIONS WERE TO HAVE OUR MEETINGS THERE, TO MAYBE HAVE SOME SMALL INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS BECAUSE WE DO DO INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS ON DIFFERENT THINGS SUCH AS ELDER CARE, DIABETES, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ABOUT OUR INITIATIVES, OUR, UH, SERVICE SISTERHOOD SCHOLARSHIP AND FIRE WOMANHOOD.
SO, AND ALL OF US DO THOSE THINGS.
BUT AS I TOLD HER TO PRAY ON IT AFTER I SPOKE WITH HER AND LET GOD LEAD HER IN WHAT SHE WANTED TO SAY, NOW I WILL SAY THIS AND I'M GONNA ASK THAT, UH, ALL OF MY SISTERS, MY BROTHERS, THAT THEY STAND UP RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US.
IF WE ARE NOT WANTED IN THE COMMUNITY, IT DEFIES WHAT WE DO, PERIOD.
HOWEVER, THE BUILDING, AS I BEGAN TO STATE EARLIER WHEN I WENT IN THAT BUILDING, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN BY IT, BUT IT'S REALLY, IT, IT, IT HAS A LOT OF DAMAGE FROM THE YEARS THAT IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE, UM, UNOCCUPIED.
BUT I WALKED IN AND I SAW A VISION OF WHAT IT COULD BE.
UH, AND FROM THAT POINT TOOK IT BACK TO ALL THREE, OUR AUXILIARY AND OUR TWO CHAPTERS AND WE KIND OF FELL IN LOVE WITH IT.
BUT AGAIN, I GOT TO SAY THIS, IF THE COMMUNITY DOES NOT WANT US THERE, THAT IS GONNA DIVIDE EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR YOU DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS? NO, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH HERE WITH, WITH, WITH YOU, SO THAT'S QUITE FINE.
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE WANT THE BUILDING FOR.
SO IF, IF, IF WE CAN'T GET THIS ONE, CAN YOU POINT ME TO ANOTHER ONE? NO, I'M KIDDING.
SO I'M WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS BEFORE THAT.
WHERE DO YOU MEET NOW? UM, ACTUALLY THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WE USED TO, WHAT IS IT CALLED? THE JED BUILDING ON BROAD STREET, MR. BILL HUNT'S BUILDING.
UH, HIS WIFE WAS ONE OF THE CHARTER MEMBERS, ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE LOCAL CHAPTER.
AND SO SHE PASSED, BUT SHE LEFT IN HER WILL THAT WE COULD USE THAT BUILDING FOR FREE.
AND WE HAVE, UM, HOWEVER, UNDERSTANDING THE ENVIR FINANCIAL ENVIRONMENT, ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IN NOW, UH, THEY WANT TO CHARGE US.
WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM CHARGING US, BUT IF I HAVE TO PAY OR IF WE HAVE TO PAY, WE PREP, WE WOULD RATHER PAY FOR OUR OWN INSTEAD
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OF JUST RENTING SOMETHING ON, UH, NOT OWNERSHIP BASIS WOULD BE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, MS. MADDOX, I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.UM, DO YOU ALL OPERATE AS A 5 0 1 C3 OR A C SEVEN? WE OPERATE AS A C SEVEN.
THE SORORITY OPERATES AS A C SEVEN HOWEVER, AND THE, THE FRATERNITY OPERATES AS A C SEVEN, HOWEVER, UM, THE UM, CHAPTER THE IOTA SIGMA HAS JUST ESTABLISHED A 5 0 1 3 C BUT THEY'VE GOTTA BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
BUT THEY HAVE NOT I, SAME WITH THE SIGMA BROTHERS, THEY ALREADY HAVE THEIR 5 0 1 3 C.
DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES.
AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC C FIVE PERMISSIBLE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE DESIRED THAT ARE NOT PERMISSIBLE OR ALLOWED UNDERNEATH THAT CURRENT ZONING OF R DASH SIX S? FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD FROM THE ZONING, UM, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I REALLY SAY IT'S MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS ZONING THING, BUT WHAT I WAS UH, TOLD IN THE OFFICE, THEY WERE EXPLAINING TO ME THAT THE STATE THAT IT'S IN RIGHT NOW AND 'CAUSE I'M THE SAME AS SOME OF YOU PROBABLY IT WAS A CHURCH YOU HAD TO HAVE CONGREGATES OR WAS IT JUST A MINISTER A NOBODY.
SO I ASKED THAT QUESTION AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THERE'S AN EXCEPTION FOR CHURCHES.
UM, BUT FOR OUR UM, ORGANIZATION, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT REZONED TO C FIVE OR C SIX.
SO ORIGINALLY I PUT C SIX AND THEN I FOUND OUT THAT'S LIKE SAYING I WANT TO OPEN THIS WALMART, NO, NO
AND SO THEN WE CHANGED IT TO THE C FIVE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF UM, AFTER TALKING TO THE ZONING OFFICE HOW IT WAS SET UP.
AND THEN WAS THERE ANY CONSIDER CONSIDERATION TO THE C3 DESIGNATION INSTEAD OF THE C FIVE? I KNOW WE'RE TALKING IN CODE.
WHAT'S THE C3? I DON'T THINK THE STREETS WOULD SUPPORT C3 ZONING OUT THERE.
THANK YOU
UM, SPEAKING ON BEHALF, YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY TO THE APPLICANT, WE DO HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED 'CAUSE THE REZONING GOES WITH THE LAND AND UNDER CURRENT STATE LAW, WE CAN NEVER MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT WE DO TODAY.
NOW, UM, THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE OTHER USES IN THERE AND UM, WHEN I VOTE, I, I GUESS I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ABOUT, BUT THIS DOES GO WITH THE LAND.
UH, AND EVEN IF YOU OWNED IT, YOU COULDN'T SIGN OFF ON IT.
SO EVEN THE ONLY REASON, AND ONCE WE REZONE IT, ANYTHING THAT'S ALLOWED UNDER THIS NEW ZONING WILL BE ALLOWED THERE.
SO BASICALLY CAN I JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? SO IF IT IS REZONED TO THE C FIVE, THEN THAT MEANS THAT THAT WHOLE AREA NOW SOMEONE CAN COME IN? NO, JUST THAT PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND WITH THAT I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.
OLA, UM, WOULD THE, THE SITE PLAN FOR THIS, WHATEVER HAPPENS THERE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S JUST SOMETHING ELSE, UM, WOULD THAT INCLUDE PARKING RESTRICTIONS THAT THERE'D BE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'D BE NO OFF STREET BE ADEQUATE? YES.
THEY'D HAVE TO SUPPORT, UM, VISITORS COULD NOT PARK, YOU KNOW.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME OTHER HOMES OFF STREET PARKING AND YEAH, SHE ANSWERED.
CAN I COMMENT ON THAT? MM-HMM
BECAUSE WE HAVE CONSIDERED, UM, I DO WANT TO THANK THE, UM, ZONING OFFICE BECAUSE THEY CAME OUT AND BROUGHT, UH, THE INSPECTOR CAME OUT AND WE WENT THROUGH AND HE TOLD US SOME THINGS THAT WE HAD TO DO.
AND ONE OF THOSE WERE PARKING, I THINK FOR THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
THE SIZE OF THE LEFT, THE MINIMUM REQUIRED PARKING SPACES WAS 17.
UM, ONCE I WALKED HIM AROUND, THERE'S A LOT OF GRASS.
UM, AS YOU STAND IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO THE RIGHT, WHICH IS NEXT TO THE STREET
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PLAN ON PAVING THAT AREA AND MAKING DIAGONAL PARKING THERE, AS WELL AS TAKING THE TREE FROM THE BACK COMPLETELY DOWN AND BRINGING ACROSS.NOW I THINK THAT IT'S, NOW THAT, I'M NOT SURE OF THAT WIDTH, BUT THE WIDTH OF IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN DO TWO LANES OF PARKING, DIAGONAL PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN MEET THE CRITERIA FOR THE PARKING.
DID I HEAR YOU SAY 17 REQUIRED PARKING SPACES? YES, SIR.
AM I WRONG? THAT'S WHAT I WAS INFORMED.
YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA HERE.
UM, ARE YOU ASKING, UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE LOOK AT WHEN THEY GET INTO, UM, DEVELOPMENT PHASE.
UM, AND IT'S BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING, CORRECT? YES.
AND, AND THE USE IS APPLIED FOR WITH THE ZONING PERMIT.
BUT THAT WOULD ALL BE, UM, DETERMINED AND IRONED OUT THROUGH THE DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS.
AND WE ARE A LONG WAY FROM THAT AT THIS POINT.
SO FOR PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, UM, YOU ALL ARE CONSIDERING ALL THE PERMISSIBLE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE C FIVE AND DETERMINING WHETHER THAT REQUEST IS REASONABLE AND CONSISTENT WITH ADJACENT LAND USES AND THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND DISPLAY.
DO YOU HAVE THE TABLE OF LAND USES HANDY? IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET THAT ON THE SCREENS FOR THE PUBLIC OR IS IT JUST THIS, JUST FOR US? SO, OH, NORMA, COULD YOU PUT UP BACK ON THE SCREEN WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE, THE R SIX, UH, LANGUAGE? SURE.
THE INTENT OF R SIX ZONING? YEAH, MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S BETTER.
THE INTENT OF THE R SIX AND THE INTENT OF THE C FIVE MAYBE.
YEAH, MAYBE THAT'S THE BETTER.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANNA GO THROUGH ALL, I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THE USES, UH, IN C FIVE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
WHAT WAS THAT OTHER QUEBEC ONE? THAT ONE RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, KIM? MM-HMM
UH, OR WAS THERE SOMETHING ELSE YOU, I I WAS LOOKING BACK, UM, UH, BECAUSE IT SAID GO, GO BACK TO THAT ONE YOU SAID, 'CAUSE IT SAID THERE FRATERNAL USES WAS ALLOWED UNDER A SEAT UNDER THIS R SIX.
SO THAT WOULD BE FRATERNAL CLUBS NOT ALLOWED.
NO, IT'S UH, AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THE R SIX, THERE WAS A, A SENTENCE IN THERE THAT SAYS THAT THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE R SIX ZONING IS TO, UH, PROHIBIT COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USE OF THE LAND AND DISCOURAGE ANY CHARACTER OR SIZE WOULD GENERATE TRAFFIC OR REQUIRE MUNICIPAL SERVICES.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 17 PARKING SPACES FOR RESIDENTIAL R SIX ZONING AREA.
ARE THEY NOT THERE NOW? NO, BECAUSE IT WAS A CHURCH.
I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO RIDE OUT THERE LIKE I USUALLY DO.
AND SO FOR, FOR THAT, I, I APOLOGIZE.
BUT, UM, BUT THERE, THERE ARE NO PARKING SPOTS CURRENTLY THERE OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH? NO.
NO STRIPED PARKING SPOTS? YES.
I THINK IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH THAT NOLA PRESENTED ON THE SCREEN EARLIER, YOU'LL SEE UM, SOME OF THE VACANT SPACES ON THE LOT THAT I THINK MS. MAD WAS ALLUDING TO THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN USED FOR, FOR PARKING.
THERE SEEMS TO BE A GRAVELED AREA.
I DUNNO IF IT'S PAGE OR GRAVEL.
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SPOTS DON'T KILL ME, BUT THE, THE BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD KIND OF DOES.AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS LEANING TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S PERMITTED IN C FIVE.
SO, AND THAT'S BACK TO WHERE THAT OTHER GRAPH WITH THE COMPARE AND CONTRAST KIND OF, UM, UH, KEEP GOING BACK, I THINK FORWARD.
IT'S THE, THE ONE THAT'S GOT THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE LEFT AND THE COMMERCIAL ON THE RIGHT.
YEAH, THIS IS THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT.
SO, SO FOR STAFF, IS THERE ANY OTHER ZONING OPTION THAT THEY COULD OPERATE THE EXPLAINED USE WITH? UM, SO THE OTHER COMMERCIAL USES THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS, UM, WOULD BE MORE INTENSIVE.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING, UM, LIKE WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, LIKE A C3.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S MORE OF AN INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USE.
UH, THESE USES TEND TO GENERATE HIGH TRAFFIC.
UM, SO THIS WAS THE LEAST INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL DISPARATE, OKAY.
AND NO OTHER SPECIAL USE OPTIONS WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
UM, SO IT'D BE ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE IN THE AGRICULTURAL FIVE F UH, AND THE AGRICULTURAL F UH, IT'S NOT AGRICULTURAL, IT'S NOT EXACTLY YEAH.
YEAH, YOU'VE GOT THAT TABLE OF USES, PAGE FIVE'S GOT A, UM, FRATERNAL WARRANT, SOCIAL FRATERNAL CLUBS, LODGES, UNION HALLS, AND SIMILAR USES.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SPECIAL USE IN AGRICULTURE.
SO ANOTHER ONE OR JANE BUY RIGHT IN A C FIVE IF I WANTED TO BUY IT, WHAT, WHAT COULD I PUT THERE? COULD I PUT A VAPE SHOP THERE? COULD I PUT A GAS STATION THERE? WHAT I BY RIGHT IN A C FIVE YOU PUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
YOU COULD DO A DUPLEX, YOU COULD DO, I'M JUST KIND OF FLIPPING THROUGH HERE.
YOU COULD DO A GOVERNMENT OFFICE NAC FIVE, WHICH YOU COULD ALSO DO AS A BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN A R SIX S.
YOU COULD PUT A CHURCH THERE WITH A SPECIAL USE.
COULD YOU ASK ABOUT, UH, BY, RIGHT.
YOU COULD DO THE SOCIAL FRATERNAL USE MOBILE FOOD VENDOR VETERINARIAN FUNERAL HOME.
THAT'S A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLING OF THE PERMITTED BY RIGHT USES IN A C FIVE.
AND THOSE USES AS THE USE CLASSIFICATION DESCRIPTION INDICATES, ARE INCLINED TO BE TOWARDS THE TYPES OF USES THAT CAN BE WELL INTEGRATED INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND GENERALLY GENERATE A LOW TRAFFIC VOLUME.
AND I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT ON THE, UM, ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF US, RESTAURANTS, BARS, NIGHTCLUBS, CARRY OUT SERVICE THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT'S NOT BY RIGHT.
SO THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO FURTHER REVIEW BY, UH, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
SO
SO I COULDN'T FIND IT ON YEAH.
BUT LOOKING AT IT, IT SAYS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH MEANS IT DOES NOT, WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED BY RENT.
AND, UH, I, I GOT THROUGH THIS WHOLE LIST AND BY AND LARGE WHAT'S UP HERE IS CORRECT.
IT'S MOSTLY PROFESSIONAL OFFICES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE IN ADDITION TO JUDGES.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, VAPE SHOPS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN A C FIVE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
OKAY, I'M GONNA DO SOMETHING I DON'T USUALLY DO.
MIKE, YOU LIVE OVER THERE, DON'T YOU? YES.
I LIVE, UH, ONE BLOCK OF, I LIVE IN A PLACE CALLED TRAPPERS CREEK, WHICH IS, UH, ONE BLOCK OF INTEREST.
A LOT OF THE ZONING IS MIXED THERE BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT ALWAYS PART OF THE CITY.
IT BECAME PART OF THE CITY BASED UPON DEEDS IN THE AREA THAT I LOOKED AT AND SO ON AND SO
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FORTH, ABOUT 1990.SO THE OWNER I BOUGHT IT FROM, IT WAS PART OF THE CITY, BUT THE ONE BEFORE IT WAS NOT.
SO, AND THAT'S WHY WE DO SEE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL AND STUFF.
IT WAS NEVER REALLY ZONE COMMERCIAL THAT WHEN THE CITY TOOK OVER, THEN THEY ZONE THESE PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW? SO, SO THAT'S, SO AS A CHURCH, IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN FOREVER, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS OPERATING AS A CHURCH BEFORE 1990, YOU KNOW, PRIOR, PRIOR TO MY BEING ZONE GRANDFATHERED IN IF I'M STEPPING OUTTA MY BOUNDS.
TELL ME WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR FEELING ON THIS AS BEING A RESIDENT IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, I LOOKED OVER THIS, UM, LIST, YOU KNOW, PRETTY THOROUGHLY.
UM, I DIDN'T, I DON'T HAVE A PARTICULAR PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THE USES IN, IN THAT AREA.
SO, UM, WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONAL OFFICER SO AND SO COULD BE AN ASSET, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S WHY IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO SAY.
BUT I DO WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, AND THE BOARD ALREADY KNOWS THIS, THAT EVERY, IT'S NOT, WE ARE NOT REALLY ALLOWED TO CONSIDER THE PROPOSED USE.
UM, BECAUSE ONCE WE DO THIS, IT'S AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY.
IT'S, ANY OF THE USES ON HERE ARE AVAILABLE AND IT GOES WITH THE LAND FOREVER.
AND ON THE STATE LAW CURRENTLY, THAT ZONING CANNOT BECOME MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN IT IS TODAY.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT'S
WE SEE IT PRESENTLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHO OUR FUTURE OWNER'S GONNA BE.
WE, I HAVE NO RESERVATIONS AT ALL ABOUT YOUR INTENT, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I AM I ALLOWED TO SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IN THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, THAT I WAS GOOD AT THAT.
BUT I DO HAVE TO CONSIDER THE OTHER PIECES AS WELL.
I DON'T STOP, I DON'T STOP PEOPLE, UM, FROM SPEAKING IN AMERICA.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT MY, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M GONNA DO.
UM, BRAD, I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT I CAN THINK OF SEVERAL OTHER EXAMPLES WHERE THERE ARE NOT-FOR-PROFITS OPERATING IN PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SERVE.
AND TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE, THE FOLKS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO.
SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.
UM, TO MIKE'S GREAT POINT THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION ON THE ULTIMATELY INTENDED USE BY THE APPLICANT, BUT ON THE LAND.
BUT IF I WERE TO THINK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF THESE PERMITTABLE USES NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER C FIVE, I COULD SEE THOSE BEING A BENEFIT TO THAT COMMUNITY.
IN GENERAL, SOME OF THOSE ISSUES BE MEDICAL OFFICES, PROFESSIONAL OFFICES.
UM,
THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND, AND I'LL GET MY CASE AND, YOU KNOW, TEAR THAT BUILDING DOWN AND BUILD A NIGHTCLUB THERE IF I WANTED TO, OR A BAR OR SOMETHING.
AND THOSE, I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS GIVEN ME PAUSE, BUT, SO I MEAN, IN THE MIDDLE OF A, OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL THE CHANCES OF THAT HIGH.
NO, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S IT, IT IS POSSIBLE.
AND IN THEORY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
'CAUSE THIS IS A TECHNICAL REVIEW BOARD, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT MAKING THE FINAL DECISION.
WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND THEY'RE GONNA VOTE ON THIS AND THESE NICE LADIES WILL BE ABLE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ALMAN AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR CASE THERE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, FROM A TECHNICAL SIDE OF IT, THE SPECIAL USES IS WHAT GIVES, GIVES ME PAUSE.
I I I HAVE NO QUALMS WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING OR WITH WHAT THEIR MISSION IS OR, OR THEIR INTENDED USE.
WHAT I HAD SAID ONCE BEFORE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD WANTS TO DO THIS OR NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, WITH JUST, YOU KNOW, WE COULD APPROVE IT WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, THE GOVERNING BOARD HAS THE FINAL SAY ON THIS LOOK OVER THE SPECIAL USE POSSIBILITY FOR THIS PROPERTY AS WELL.
YOU COULD, YOU COULD MAKE THAT IN YOUR MOTION, MR. DUFFY, IF THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.
UM, AND THEY WILL DO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO.
UM, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO IT, BY THE WAY.
AND JUST TO REITERATE WHAT STAFF SHARED WITH US, THAT FOR THE DESCRIBED INTENDED USE OF THE APPLICANT, THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION TO DO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO.
THAT IS FINE, EXCEPT UNDER C FIVE.
IT'S, IT'S RIGHT THERE IN YES.
THE TABLE PERMISSIBLE BE USED AS CURRENTLY OR STATED.
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ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON SIDE? AND MR. CHAIR, JUST IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING HELPFUL, AS YOU'RE STRUGGLING THROUGH, UM, YOUR ANALYSIS HERE, JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU OF SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE AT THE FOREFRONT OF YOUR MIND.UM, NUMBER ONE, YOU WANNA CONSIDER THE SIZE AND PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE BENEFITS AND THE DETRIMENTS TO THE LANDOWNER OR THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE, THE NEIGHBORS AND THE LARGER COMMUNITY, UM, PREVIOUSLY PERMITTED USES ON THE SITE.
AND ANY OTHER FACTORS THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE AFFECTING THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT MIGHT HELP FOCUS YOUR DELIBERATIONS AS YOU TRY TO COME TO A POINT OF RECOMMENDING OR NOT RECOMMENDING.
DOES THAT WARRANT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? JAMES COMMENT? UM, YOU ALSO MIGHT WANT TO, IT, IT'S NOT IN THE, IN THE CASE, BUT THE PROXIMITY OF REQUESTED ZONING DISTRICT TO, UM, SIMILAR ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE AREA.
YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
WE CAN DEAL WITH THE SPOT ZONING ANALYSIS IF THAT WERE TO ARISE.
I WANT YOU TO GIVE US THAT MAP.
AND THAT'S MY WHOLE HANGUP WITH THIS IS IT'S A, IT'S, WE'RE SETTING UP AN ISLAND IN A TOTALLY IN A SEA OF R SIX.
AND I, MY OPINION FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT IS THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA.
UH, IF WE'RE DOWN CLOSER TO OR ADJACENT TO THE, TO THE EXISTING C FIVE OR TO THE C3 AND NO PROBLEM.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING OUT INTO, TO THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN AND FLOPPING DOWN AN ISLAND.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PROPERTIES ON THIS STREET IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
UM, AND THAT HAS BEEN THE CONCERN OF EACH ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAS BEEN, UM, THEY'VE EITHER ASKED FOR A HIGHER LEVEL, UH, COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL WAS ONE, I THINK, AND IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMMERCIAL.
AND OUR CONCERN HAS BEEN THAT, THAT IT, THAT THERE AREN'T ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
UM, I THINK THE UNIQUENESS ABOUT THIS ISLAND THOUGH IS IT'S OPERATED AS A CHURCH SINCE I THINK SOMEBODY SAID THE 1940S.
SO I DO THINK THAT'S A CONSIDERATION THAT THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL HAS NOT OPERATED A RESIDENTIAL USE DESPITE BEING ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
IS THE, IS THE CHURCH ABANDONED? HE MENTIONED DISREPAIR.
IS IT BEEN OUT OF USE FOR QUITE SOME TIME OR IS IT STILL A CHURCH IN ACTIVE DUTY? I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNER SAID YES, IT IS NOT IN ACTIVE USE.
DOES IT APPEAR TO BE ABANDONED IN THE MIDST OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA? DOES IT, IF IT, HAS IT NOT BEEN USED IN SUCH TIME THAT IT IS, I DON'T KNOW THE FULL HISTORY, SIR.
IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
I DON'T KNOW THE FULL HISTORY, BUT I DO KNOW THE LAST SIX YEARS FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, IT'S NOT BEEN AS USED AS A CHURCH.
UM, BUT TO VALIDATE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER, I COME FROM NATIONAL AVENUE, WHICH 25 YEARS AGO WAS VERY SIMILAR TYPE OF AREA.
AND, UH, IT HAD HALFWAY HOUSES AND A AA THERE AND ALL THESE PLACES THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT.
NOW THERE'S MILLION DOLLAR HOMES THERE.
AND I CAN SEE THAT IN THE FUTURE FOR WOODROW AS WELL.
IT'S TRANSITIONAL AND UM, COULD SAY IT WAS THE IDEA OF BEING OUR, I'M NOT SURE, BUT AN OUR SUCCESS IS THAT I THAT'S TERMINOLOGY.
IT'S, IT COMES DOWN AS A, AS A MEETING PLACE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THESE LADIES ARE MAKING IT AS A MEETING PLACE.
THEY'RE A FRATERNAL CLUB ACCORDING TO THE TABLE USES.
THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE, THAT'S THE ORGAN TERMINOLOGY.
SERGEANT, IS IT, IS THE, IS THE PROPERTY USED NOW OR IS IT JUST VACANT? IT'S, IT'S, I'M USING AS A PARTIAL STORAGE.
BUT THERE'S NO, NOTHING'S HAPPENING THERE, BASICALLY.
I, BUT JUST, I, I DID THAT LONG AND I'VE JUST, I JUST PUT UP FOR SALE 'CAUSE RATHER JUST SIT THERE AND EMPTY UNTIL I GOT THE MONEY TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
BUT I WAS LOOKING AROUND AND THERE'S TRIPLEXES AND THERE'S QUADRAPLEXES IN THAT AREA, WHICH YOU SAID YOU
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COULD ONLY DO, BUT THE PLEXES, SO THERE'S SOMETHING NOT MAP MESHING THERE.UM, THERE'S A, I'VE SEEN THE TRIPLEXES, IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE, THE ZONING DISTRICT AS, AND I'M NOT COMPLAINING.
IT, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, POINT NOW I'D LIKE TO SEE, I'VE BEEN HERE 26 YEARS AND I'VE ENJOYED SEEING NEWBURN GROW.
IT'S BEEN GREAT, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
'CAUSE UH, I COME FROM ENGLAND, IT GROWS ALL THE TIME A BIT TOO FAST.
YOU KNOW, SO SEEING THIS HAS BEEN GREAT.
AND THEN, AND THERE IS A BALANCE.
UM, AND I SEE YOU ALL STRUGGLING THROUGH THIS, WHICH IS A WONDERFUL EXERCISE.
BUT I THINK FROM A, A LEGAL QUESTION, I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GRAPPLING WITH NOW IS WHETHER THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 200 FEET FROM THE EXISTING C FIVE, UM, LOTS THAT ARE FRONTING ON OAKS ROAD, WHETHER THAT IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD CONSIDER AS AN ADJACENT LAND USE.
IT MAY NOT BE ADJOINING, BUT IT MAY BE ADJACENT.
AND WHETHER THE PERMITTED USES IN THE C FIVE ARE REASONABLE IN THE CONTEXT OF ELLINGTON AND ALABAMA AVENUE.
SO LET'S, LET'S JUST, JUST TO DISCUSS THIS QUICKLY, UM, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THERE IS A LOT OF MIXED USE.
CURRENTLY A BUILDING'S NOT BEING USED OR IS BEING USED FOR STORAGE.
UM, THESE FOLKS WANT TO REVITALIZE THE BUILDING.
IS THAT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST AS PART OF OUR, WHAT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO LOOK AT HERE, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF IT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? UM, AND JUST TO CONFIRM, I'M REMEMBERING THIS CORRECTLY, THE DRC HAD NO FEEDBACK FROM PUBLIC WORKS OR OTHERS ON THIS REQUEST? NO, THERE WERE NO COMMENTS.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO NOTE AS WELL.
THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOTIFIED, RIGHT? YES.
WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.
WELL, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION OR NO? I, I ALWAYS ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS, UM, APPLICATION BECAUSE I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THE BOARD OF ESTIMATE, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, I'M SORRY, WOULD NOT, UM, APPROVE A NIGHTCLUB THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND, UM, SO FOR THAT REASON, I BELIEVE IT IS THE OTHER USES THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICES AND STUFF LIKE THAT COULD BE AN ASSET.
AND, AND THE PROPOSED USE IS, IS CERTAINLY AN ASSET COMPARED TO WHAT GOES ON IN THE, IN, I LOOKED AT HOMES ON, UH, DUFFY AVENUE, ALABAMA.
AND BECAUSE THE OVERALL CONDITION AND, YOU KNOW, THE WAY PEOPLE WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I DIDN'T BUY THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY I WENT TO TRUMP CREEK INSTEAD.
UM, SO, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, MR. DUFFY'S MOTION, MR. DUFFY, IS YOUR MOTION THAT YOU RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN THE APPROVAL OF THIS MAP AMENDMENT AND FIND THAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLANS? REASONABLE AND IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST? YES.
I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, NOAH, CAN I GET A ROLL CALL ON THIS ONE? SURE.
DANIELLE PEOPLES, JUST TO MAKE SURE IF WE'RE SAYING YES, IF WE AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE TABLES? YES.
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TO ITEM SIX B, SAVVY DRIVE, NC HIGHWAY 43 REZONINGS.SO THE NEXT ITEM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS A REZONING OF TWO PROPERTIES, UH, NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF SAVOY DRIVE IN THE FUTURE NC HIGHWAY EXTENSION.
UH, SO THIS, THE APPLICANT AND OWNER IS, UH, PETER BOSWORTH OF B-P-N-L-L-C.
UM, SO THE REQUEST IS FOR A REZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL FIVE F TO COMMERCIAL, UH, THREE ZONING.
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RUN THROUGH OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS.THE AGRICULTURAL FIVE SF ZONING DISTRICT, UH, FOCUSES ON AGRICULTURE, UH, FORESTRY AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, HOWEVER IT DOES PROHIBIT, UM, AGRICULTURAL, UH, COMMERCIAL USES THAT WOULD CREATE A NUISANCE TO NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
UH, SO OUR COMMERCIAL THREE ZONING DISTRICT, AGAIN, THIS IS OUR MOST INTENSIVE, UH, COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, UH, WITH USES THAT GENERATE HIGH VOLUMES OF TRAFFIC.
UH, THESE USES TEND TO BE LOCATED ON MAJOR RADIAL ROADS.
UH, SO WE HAVE A USE COMPARISON CHART WITH THE SAMPLE OF THE USES.
UH, SO ON THE LEFT YOU HAVE THE AGRICULTURAL FIVE, UM, A FIVE F ZONING DISTRICT, AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE COMMERCIAL THREE DISTRICT.
SO I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO REVIEW THOSE USES.
UH, SO WE HAVE THE VICINITY MAP HERE.
AGAIN, THESE ARE TWO PARCELS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 98 ACRES IN SIZE.
UH, THEY'RE NORTH OF CRAYBURN FOREST AND ACAIA VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, THEY'RE LOCATED ON THE FUTURE HIGHWAY 43 EXTENSION.
UM, AND JUST NORTH OF WHERE THAT INTERSECTS WITH SAVO DRIVE.
UH, SO HERE WE HAVE THE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER MAP THAT WE USE FOR NOTICING PROPERTIES OF THE REZONING REQUESTS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE AERIAL VIEW TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PROPERTIES ARE, UM, FORESTED, UH, AND VACANT.
AND AGAIN, IT'S NORTH OF TWO NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND HERE WE HAVE THE ZONING MAP.
UH, SO WE CAN SEE THAT THE PROPERTIES ARE ABUTTING THE A FIVE F ZONING DISTRICT TO THE NORTH AND THE EAST.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR SIXTH ZONING, UM, TO THE OTHER SIDES OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, SO AGAIN, YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE REZONING REQUEST, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD BOARD.
I DON'T HAVE A PARTICULAR QUESTION, BUT LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE, THIS IS THE, THIS IS A QUAGMIRE FOR THE ZONING AND PLANNING BOARD FOREVER,
IS THERE ANY THOUGHTS TO CREATING A COMPREHENSIVE, UH, ZONING PLAN FOR THAT AREA? BECAUSE WE KNOW IT, HOW IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP AND IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP.
BUT I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS A HUGE AREA.
THIS IS A NIGHTMARE LOOKING AT IT.
UH, UM, SO THERE'S NOT A SITE SPECIFIC PLAN.
I WILL SAY THAT, UH, THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, UH, THAT WAS, UH, PART OF THE 2022 LAND USE PLAN.
UH, SO IT DOES RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS AN AREA OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT BACK TO YOUR POINT, WE DO NOT HAVE A SITE SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THIS AREA.
BUT WHAT I WOULD ADD, MR. PARA WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO COUNCIL FOR WAREHOUSER TODAY.
WAREHOUSER OWNS SOME OF THE OTHER LARGER TRACKS THAT, UM, ADJOIN THE 43 CONNECTOR.
AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT NOW THAT WILL LAY OUT, UM, PROPOSED USES AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT CORRIDOR.
OH, THAT, THAT'S FOR ABOVE THIS, THIS PROPERTY THAT'S THE WAREHOUSE PROPERTY, BUT GOING SOUTH TOWARDS RABURN AND FOREST AND, AND A LITTLE BIT TO THE LEFT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS, IT'S A MESS OF SMALLER PROPERTIES AND, AND, UH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT, IT DESERVES SOME ATTENTION AND SOME FUTURE PLANNING CONSIDERATION ON HOW THAT AREA DEVELOPS RATHER THAN PIECEMEAL MM-HMM
LIKE WE'RE GOING THROUGH EVERY MEETING.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT, UH, DOT DOES HAVE LIMITED ACCESS OFF OF THE FUTURE EXTENSION.
UH, WE HAVE HAD PLANS, UH, FOR DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE CRAYBURN FOREST AREA.
UH, BUT AS FAR AS THE CITY DIRECTED PLAN, UM, I CAN'T SAY THAT, UM, THERE IS ONE.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, LIKE THE LAST ONE, DID YOU GET ANY CALLS FROM THE NOTICES THAT WENT OUT? I HAVE NOT HAD ANY, UH, CALLS ON THIS ONE.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE NORTH CAROLINA 43 EXTENSION, DO YOU HAVE, UM, A STATUS FROM N-C-D-O-T ON THE FUNDING AND EXPECTED COMPLETION DATE OF THAT? UM, I PERSONALLY DO NOT, NO.
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FOR, FOR THE C3, UM, THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE CITY SCREENING RULES OF A SIX FEET BUFFER OR VEGETATIVE BUFFER BARRIER, CORRECT? UH, YES.SO IT'LL BE PROBABLY BE THE MOST INTENSIVE BUFFER SINCE IT IS, UH, BUTTING UP TO RESIDENTIAL USES.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR C UH, SCREEN BUFFER.
UM, AND CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY WHAT THAT IS? IS THAT A SIX FOOT? UM, THEY'RE 10 FEET BUFFER.
UM, AND, UH, IT'S A MIXTURE OF TREES AND SHRUBS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT'S SCREENING THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
SO THAT WOULD APPLY TO ALL ADJACENT PROPERTIES OF THESE TWO PARCELS.
OR ALONG THEIR PARCEL, BUT BESIDES THAT FACE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
SO THE BUFFER WOULD KICK IN DEPENDING ON THE, THE ADJACENT USE.
SO SUBJECT, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF ZONING REQUESTS FOR TO, TO CHANGE ZONING OUT HERE, COMING UP SOON JUST BASED ON THE TO CONNECTOR TO, YEAH.
DID WE ADOPT THAT ONE? I THINK THERE WAS A LAND USE PLAN UPDATE THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD IN THE EARLY 2020S, BUT I CAN, I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS ON RABURN FOR US, BUT I'LL KEEP THOSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR NOAH ON THIS SIDE? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
NO, UH, MEMBER THAT I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC TO, FOR ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM SIX B.
UM, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THEY ARE WELCOME TO.
UH, MY NAME'S PETER BOSWORTH AND I OWN THE COMPANY THAT OWNS THE LAND AND IS ALSO THE APPLICANT.
UH, I JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY POINT OUT THAT, UH, THIS, UH, LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY, IT'S ONLY BEFORE YOU FOR C3 FOR ONE REASON.
AND THAT'S THE 43 CONNECTOR THAT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR I THINK WE'RE A DECADE THREE POSSIBLY.
SOME OF YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HERE THEN, BUT, UH, IT'S BEEN PLANNED A LONG TIME, SO IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A SURPRISE TO SEE IT ON A MAP.
IT'S A SURPRISE THAT THEY'RE BULLDOZERS OUT THERE ACTUALLY BUILDING THE ROAD NOW, WHICH FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME IS A HAPPY DAY FOR OTHERS IT MAY NOT BE, BUT IN ANY EVENT, THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING FOR C3 BECAUSE THE A HUNDRED ACRES THAT I OWN OR 98 ACRES IS SPLIT, AS YOU CAN SEE BY 43.
43 GIVES ME, UH, THREE INTERSECTIONS FOR MY PROPERTY.
SO THERE'LL BE DEFINITELY, UH, THE, THE POSSIBLE VIABILITY OF COMMERCIAL USES.
THERE'S CERTAINLY A RESIDENTIAL MARKET OUT THERE TOO.
C3 IS REALLY IN YOUR, UH, ZONING DESCRIPTIONS.
THE PURPOSE OF IT IS REALLY FOR HIGHER TRAFFIC DENSITY AREAS, FOR MIXES OF COMMERCIAL AND A VARIETY OF DENSITY AND RESIDENTIALS.
THIS SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT COULD BE.
UH, THIS, UH, LAND IS ALSO IN YOUR 2022 MASTER PLAN UPDATE.
IT HAS, UH, IT'S IN TWO GROWTH AREAS AS DEFINED BY THE PLAN MLK GROWTH AREA, THE NC 43 GROWTH AREA.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL BE QUIET, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW I'M AROUND AND AVAILABLE.
IF ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE OR ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'M VERY HAPPY TO TALK ANYTIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, MR. BOSWORTH.
UM, THE TIMING OF THIS FEELS LIKE IT COULD BE JUST A LITTLE PREMATURE WITH WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HIGHWAY IS, BUT TO YOUR POINT, IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE.
IS THERE A DRIVER BEHIND YOUR TIMING OF THIS REQUEST OTHER THAN BEING 75 YEARS OLD,
UH, I CERTAINLY, THERE'S NO USE OR TENANT THAT'S KNOCKING ON MY DOOR THAT I HAVE TO RUSH THROUGH TO GET THIS.
THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON UTILITIES.
JORDAN HUGHES OVER AT PUBLIC WORKS IS WORKING WITH AUER AND THE STATE TO, UH, YOU GET THE WATER LINES AND THE SEWER STRAIGHTENED OUT, ET CETERA.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS BEHIND THE SCENES THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN.
BUT IN TERMS OF MOVING FORWARD, IT'S ALWAYS NICE
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TO GET A ZONING ESTABLISHED AS SOON AS YOU CAN, UH, AS YOU MOVE THROUGH THE OTHER PHASES SO YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT, WHAT YOUR TARGET IS.I THINK THAT WHEN THE ROADS OPEN, UH, AS NOLA MENTIONED, YOU WILL SEE MY NEIGHBORS COMING IN VERY QUICKLY, VERY SOON WITH SIMILAR ZONING REQUESTS BECAUSE IT CONNECTS TWO MAJOR ROADS.
IT'S A, IT'S A PLANNED AREA AS PER YOUR LAND USE PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE THIS TYPE OF STUFF.
AND TO HAVE A COUPLE YEARS HEAD START BEFORE THERE MIGHT BE BULLDOZERS BUILDING STORES IS UH, IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT.
NOW IS THE TIME THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO GET THIS GOING.
THE ROAD ACCORDING TO THE, I DUNNO ABOUT WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WILL SAY, BUT WHEN YOU TALK TO THE GUYS IN THE FIELD BUILDING THE ROAD
THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S OFFICIAL LINE IS 2028.
AND YOU KNOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'D SAY THAT.
UH, BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO POINT ALSO, UH, I THINK, UH, MR. PARAGO, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE CONTEXT OF WHAT'S GOING ON OUT HERE IN THIS KIND OF CHAOTIC, BUT I WOULD SAY ON THE, ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE WHAT I CAN SEE? CAN YOU SEE THE LITTLE PLANE? OKAY, GREAT.
SO ON THAT LEFT OR EAST SIDE WHERE I HAVE THAT ODD SHAPED PIECE, THE TWO LOWER PIECES TO MY WEST AND SOUTH, UH, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, NOLA, BUT THEY'VE GOTTEN PLAN APPROVAL FROM A DEVELOPER FOR THREE OR 400 UNITS.
SO THEY'RE PRETTY DEFINED, I WOULD SAY THEY SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON PLANS.
AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
THEY'RE GONNA NEED THAT ROAD TO GIVE THEM ACCESS AT SOME POINT PROBABLY, BUT THEY CAN DO ABOUT A HUNDRED UNITS NOW IF THEY WANT TO.
SO I THINK THAT THE EAST SIDE TO A DEGREE IS KIND OF DEFINED WHAT WAREHOUSES ARE GONNA DO ON THE NORTH OF ME.
BUT I WOULD IMAGINE YOU'LL BE SEEING IT RELATIVELY SOONER THAN LATER.
AND THEN ON THE WEST SIDE, SAME THING, W HASSER HAS PURCHASED THAT LAND AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA DO A VERY NICE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THERE, I WOULD THINK.
SO I CAN JUST SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, MY OWN CASE.
BUT ANYWAY, ANYTHING ELSE? UH, I COULD SAY ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
WITH THAT I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.
MY CONCERN WITH IT IS THAT ONCE WE DO THAT, THEN THE GREEN AIR IS TO THE RIGHT ON THE SCREEN AND ABOVE.
WHY WOULDN'T THEY BE REZONED ALSO C3 AND ALL OF THIS.
NOW YOU'VE GOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL LAND.
AND THAT WAS MY WHOLE POINT ABOUT NEED A MORE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO THIS AREA.
ONCE WE MAKE THIS C3, THEN WE'D BE VERY HARD TO TURN DOWN THE OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND IT BECAUSE C3, AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING, IT'S JUST NOT A COMPREHENSIVE THING.
IT'S, YEAH, BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN.
IT ALLOWS FOR THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND HIGHER DENSITY UNITS, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE TREND.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE GOING UP AROUND IT.
IT ALSO ALLOWS WALMART OF COURSE IT DOES.
YEAH, IT DOES ALL THOSE THINGS AND MAYBE THAT AREA NEEDS A WALMART, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, IT'S UH, IT'S A WAYS OUT THERE.
UM, MS. PEOPLES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE LAND USE PLAN UPDATE FROM 2022 WAS ADOPTED ON JUNE 28TH, 2022 BY THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I KNOW THE DRC DIDN'T GIVE ANY FEEDBACK ON THIS, UM, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE PLANS FOR WATER, SEWER, DRAINAGE, EMERGENCY ACCESS, ALL THAT OUT THERE.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD COME THROUGH A MORE COMPREHENSIVE CORRIDOR PLANNING.
I WOULD, I WOULD FEEL MORE WELL INFORMED.
I YOU THAT INFORMATION, TO BE FAIR, WE DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR CITY'S PLANS ARE FOR WATER AND SEWER AND POWER OUT THERE.
SO I WILL JUST INTERJECT FOR A MOMENT.
GIVEN THIS IS, UH, IN AN AREA DEFINED IN A LAND USE PLAN AS A HIGH GROWTH AREA, YES.
THAT IS LENDING ITSELF TO SUPPORT THIS REQUEST RIGHT THERE.
UH, YOU WILL LIKELY SEE OTHER, UH, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING ABOUT MANY OTHER PARCELS IN THIS AREA.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BECOME VERY POPULAR.
DOT UH, IN OUR LAST NPO MEETING STILL SAYS THIS IS ON TRACK TO BE FINISHED ON SCHEDULE OR EARLY OR SO.
THAT 2028, ISN'T THAT CRAZY AT THIS POINT IN TIME? UH, THE CITY OF NEW BERN, IT HAS HISTORICALLY NOT PREPARED A BUNCH OF
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SMALL AREA PLANS FOR, FOR, FOR THINGS LIKE THIS, THIS AREA OR, OR ANY OTHER ONES.UH, THE FACT IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE UPDATE DID SHOW THAT AS RECENTLY AS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, THEY WERE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS AREA.
MY PREDECESSOR WAS WHEN HE OVERSAW THAT PLAN AND RECOGNIZED THAT IT WAS PRIME FOR GROWTH, IT FEELS LIKE THE CAROLINA COLORS AREA TO ME JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE SAME THING.
WE, THEY LABELED IT HIGH DENSITY OR WHATEVER, OR ROOM FOR GROWTH AND THEN YOU HAD ONE, YOU HAD TWO AND THEN NOW YOU'VE GOT ALL THAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO ME.
AND THERE IS A NEED FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, UM, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, AND THIS WOULD ALLOW THAT BY RIGHT.
UH, AND ONE REASON WE SEE A LOT OF C3 IS NOT TO BUILD A WALMART, BUT BUT TO BUILD APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITHOUT GOING TO THE, TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
GIVEN THAT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, MADAM ATTORNEY? YES SIR.
ANY, ANY IDEA WHEN WAREHOUSER WILL BE PRESENTING THERE? UH, I DON'T HAVE A DEFINITE DATE.
I KNOW THAT THAT IS ACTIVELY IN PROGRESS.
AND THAT'S, UH, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IT.
IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM, WHETHER THAT WAS NEXT MONTH OR FORWARD, I I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
I'LL ALWAYS ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS.
A ANYONE WITH ME? I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION.
WHAT IF I COULD, THE ONLY MOTION THAT I WOULD EVEN CONSIDER MAKING WOULD BE TO TABLE THIS? WELL, THAT I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.
HUH? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION.
THERE'S A LOT GOING ON OVER THERE IN THAT CORRIDOR.
SO MR. CHAIR IS, IF, IF THE FLAVOR OF THE BOARD IS TO CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION, CAN YOU PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION TO STAFF ABOUT WHAT ADDITIONAL OR SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION YOU MIGHT NEED? I'D LOVE TO KNOW.
UH, WELL JUST, THERE'S NO LAND PLAN.
WE DON'T JUST, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAP, UM, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE AROUND IT ARE, UM, A LOT OF THEM ARE RESIDENTIAL.
I WANNA UNDERSTAND THE ACCESS, UM, THE ACCESS POINTS THROUGH DOT, UM, THE, UM, ELECTRICAL SEWER, ALL OF THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE GOING IN, STARTING TO GO IN NOW ACTUALLY ON THAT SOUTH SIDE.
UM, JUST A POINT OF INFORMATION.
UM, THERE'S NO LONGER A TIME LIMIT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CHANGED.
WE LEARNED THAT AT THAT MEETING ON BRINGING THIS BACK.
THEY CAN BRING IT BACK AT ANY TIME EVEN IF WE DENY IT OUT.
SO I DON'T WANT, THAT ONE YEAR LIMIT IS NO LONGER LEGAL FURTHER TO DENY.
YEAH, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NEARLY A HUNDRED ACRES HERE, SO IT'S NOT INSIGNIFICANT.
I, I NEED SOME CLARITY ON WHAT INFORMATION WE NEED.
DO WE NEED THE UTILITY? WELL, WE HAVEN'T MADE A MOTION OR DONE ANYTHING FOR THE, FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
SO I'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ON THAT WHEN WE GET THERE.
BUT, UM, IS, UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A, A MOTION TO, TO TABLE THIS ITEM WITH DIRECTION TO STAFF OR, UH, CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT.
I'M GOOD WITH ANY OF THE THREE OR SOME OTHER MOTION, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND IT.
WELL, I, I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP OUT THERE AND THEN Y'ALL CAN VOTE THE WAY YOU WANT TO.
BUT, UH, I, I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ISSUE.
UM, PENDING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE A FIVE PROPERTY OWNERS, WHICH BASICALLY IS W HAER ON WHAT THEIR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THAT AREA ARE.
I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WATER SORE OR ANY OF THE UTILITIES 'CAUSE THAT'S ALL GONNA BE TAKEN CARE OF IN, IN TECHNICAL ISSUES WITH THE CITY.
UH, BUT FROM AN OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING OF THIS AREA,
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UM, I, I JUST, I JUST WANNA SEE, I HATE THIS.GOING FROM A FIVE TO C3 IS A BIG JUMP FOR ME AND NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AROUND IT AND IN ADDITIONAL, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. BOSWORTH'S SAYING ABOUT IT AND, UH, MOVING ON WITH IT, BUT, HUH.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THE RECORD, MR. CHAIR.
SO THE MOTION IS TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM INDEFINITELY PENDING A RESPONSE FROM WEYERHAEUSER.
IS THAT THE MOTION OR ARE WE CONTINUING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING? IF WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WEYERHAEUSER PLANS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO US.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT FROM A COMPREHENSIVE PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD SAY, UH, INDEFINITE UNTIL THEY ADD INFORMATION'S AVAILABLE.
AND, AND NOLA, CAN YOU PUT THE VICINITY, THE NOTIFICATION MAP UP AGAIN PLEASE? CAN WE, ARE WE ABLE TO SEE WHO IS NOTIFIED AND WHILE NOAH IS, IS BRINGING THAT UP, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE, REMIND THE BOARD THAT, UM, UNDER THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, IF YOU ALL DO NOT TAKE ANY ACTION WITHIN 45 DAYS OF IT BEING REFERRED TO YOU, THE BOARD OF ALTMAN MAY ACT WITHOUT YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
NOT TO SAY THEY WOULD, BUT THAT THAT WOULD BE THEIR BROAD IF THEY CHOSE TO DO SO.
UM, CAN I THROW OUT SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION? UM, GO RIGHT AHEAD, DANIEL, IF WELL HOLD ON.
YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION TO, OR THE, UH, JAMIE'S TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER OUTTA KNOW AND THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
SO I'M RUNNING A MEETING, MEETING CORRECTLY.
JUST TRYING FIGURE OUT IF WAREHOUSER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE MEETING TONIGHT.
LOOKS LIKE I USED, YEAH, I, I HAPPENED TO KNOW HIM.
I USED TO WORK FOR AUER AND I JUST SAID, WERE YOU AWARE? HE SAYS YES.
YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE CURIOUS, KNOW WHERE THEY WERE.
SO GUESS SO I, I THINK WE HAVE INFORMATION TONIGHT THAT WAREHOUSE WAS NOTIFIED OF THIS MEETING, NOTIFIED OF THE REQUEST AND THEY DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION AND OBJECTION.
UM, I THINK IF THEY HAD STRONG FEELINGS THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY WERE PLANNING, THEY WOULD BE HERE.
BUT YOU CAN DRAW YOUR OWN INFERENCE FROM THEIR PARTICIPATION OR LACK THERE.
SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE TO INDEFINITELY CONTINUE.
UM, WHICH EFFECTIVELY IS TWO, TWO MEETINGS OR ONE MEETING BECAUSE THE NEXT MEETING THE BOARD OF ALTMAN WILL PROBABLY HAVE IT, I WOULD ASSUME.
UM, BUT WE'LL SAY INDEFINITELY 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION SAID.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
AND DANIELLE, YOU MAY HAVE AT IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BETTER UNDERSTAND AS A BOARD THE 2022 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HOW IT ADDRESSED THIS SPECIFIC CORRIDOR.
AND IF STAFF COULD OFFER US THAT, UM, I WOULD FEEL BETTER ABOUT MAKING A DECISION AND PERHAPS WE COULD ASK FOR THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING THEN I I WOULD AMEND THE MOTION TO THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING FOR THAT.
SO WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
DOES YOUR PENDING THE INFORMATION THAT DANIELLE WANTS.
AND THAT INFORMATION WAS THE 2022 LAND USE PLAN.
JESSICA, YOU'VE GOT THAT? YEP.
AND I THINK, I THINK NOLA HAS THAT INFORMATION TONIGHT.
I CAN'T READ OFF THE, UM, STATEMENT ON THE MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD FOCUS AREA OF THE BOARD, BY ALL MEANS.
SO I'M JUST READING IT VERBATIM.
SINCE 2010, THIS AREA HAS BEEN SEEN THE MOST, OH, SINCE 2010.
THIS AREA HAS SEEN THE MOST DEVELOPMENT OF THE THREE FOCUS AREAS IN ADDITION TO EXPANSION OF THE NEW CITY LIMITS.
THIS AREA ACHIEVED MANY OF THE SOUGHT OFF GO GOALS OF THE 2010 LAND USE PLAN.
UM, IT SPEAKS ABOUT OPPORTUNITY ZONE A, UM, THIS IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY ZONE A, AN OPPORTUNITY ZONE B.
UM, THIS IS NOT ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITY ZONES.
UM, BUT IT DOES SPEAK SPECIFICALLY.
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YEAH, THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, THE NEXT ONE.SO THAT'S, THAT'S AS MUCH AS IT TELLS US IS THAT IT'S, UH, ACHIEVED MANY OF THE SOUGHT GOALS OF 2010 AND THAT IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DEVELOPED OF THE THREE FOCUSED AREAS.
COULD YOU SEND OUT A LINK TO THAT IN THE MEANTIME? AND THEN WE COULD ALL HAVE A, BUT WHAT, WHAT THAT, WHAT THOSE PLANS DO IS THEY IDENTIFY FOCUS AREAS THAT ARE HIGH GROWTH AND HIGH POTENTIAL AND THAT'S IT.
I DON'T THINK A BIG FB AROUND THEM.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, LET'S FACE FACTS.
A LONG WAY AWAY FROM MARTIN LUTHER KING.
I MEAN, DON'T FORGET, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THINGS ON GLEN BURN, MOST OF GLEN BURN WROTE IS NOT EVEN COVERED WITH THE EXHIBIT.
MS. UH, MS. BULL, I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE TABLE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF PROCEDURALLY THE BOARD OPENED IT UP FOR ANY COMMENT FOR NOTIFIED PERSONS THAT MIGHT BE HERE.
I, I OPENED IT UP FOR DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD.
UM, IF THERE IS SOMEONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THEY COULD COME FORWARD AND THE BOARD COULD ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK.
UH, IT, IT, RIGHT NOW WE'RE VOTING ON A MOTION, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO LET THAT MOTION DIE FOR THE SAKE OF GIVING PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND THEN RECONSIDERING THAT MOTION LATER IN THE MEETING OR WHERE YOU WANT TO GO PROCEDURALLY AT THIS POINT, THAT IS UP TO THE BOARD.
WELL, EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK PREVIOUSLY.
I, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYONE ELSE WANTING TO SPEAK, BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD IF THEY WANT TO VOTE ON THIS MATTER.
I'M QUESTION, COUPLE QUESTION, WHICH MEANS WE'VE GOT VOTE ON THE BOARD.
I MEAN, I, I I'M GOOD TO VOTE ON IT.
I, I DON'T, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE CONTINUING AS LONG AS EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOOD WITH THAT.
WELL, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING CLEAR FOR STAFF IF NOEL IS JUST SHARED WITH US THE EXTENT OF WHAT CAN BE PROVIDED ON THE 2022 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT WE MIGHT NOT BE MAKING A CLEAR REQUEST OF THEM.
SO, BECAUSE THE MOTION SPEAKS TO THAT, SO THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET US TO ANSWER THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS, IS YOUR POINT, OR WE NEED TO SPECIFY WHAT MORE WE WANT BEYOND WHAT KNOWLEDGE HAS SHARED.
I'M OKAY WITH THAT, THAT WE DO HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
AND THE MOTION WAS TO GET WHAT KNOWLEDGE JUST GAVE US, DO WE AMEND THAT MOTION TO NOW THE JUST CONTINUE TILL THE NEXT MEETING OR INDEFINITELY? OR HOW WOULD, OR DO WE VOTE ON WHAT WE GOT VOTE ON WHAT YOU GOT MR. PARA, WHO HAS ASKED YOU TO CALL THE QUESTION.
BUT WE'LL VOTE ON WHAT WE GOT.
UM, SO THE MOTION IS TO TABLE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, UNTIL UM, WE GET MORE INFORMATION FROM THE 2022 LAND USE PLAN.
UM, NOAH, CAN WE GET A, UM, A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT PLEASE.
UH, MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
MOTION CARRIES TAYLOR UNTIL NEXT MEETING.
[VI.C. 922 Pollock Street – Rezoning]
MOVING ON, ON TO ITEM SIX C 9 2 2 P*****K STREET REZONING.NOAH, DO YOU HAVE A BRIEF OR, UH, JESSICA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO? OKAY.
THIS REZONING REQUEST IS DONE UNDER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUT THIS IS VERY MUCH A REQUEST FROM OUR PARTNERS AT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WHO ARE WORKING ON THE CNI PLAN.
THIS IS THE SMALL PARCEL, UH, THAT CURRENTLY HAS THE, THE HABITAT STORE ON IT AND OOPS, OR THE ADJACENT TO THE STORE.
IT IS 0.119 ACRES AND THE REQUEST IS TO GO FROM THE CURRENT ZONING OF C FIVE A TO COMMERCIAL C FOUR.
UH, THE INTENT OF THIS BEING THERE ARE, UH, CONTINGENT OFFERS FOR THE HABITAT TO SELL THIS TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IN THE EVENT WE SECURE THE CNI IMPLEMENTATION GRANT.
NOW THE PROJECT CAN BE COMPLETED WITHOUT THE ZONING CHANGE.
HOWEVER, THE INTENT IS TO TAKE ALL THREE PARCELS, RECOMBINE THEM AND HAVE THEM NOT SPLIT
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ZONED, WHICH IS THE REASON BEHIND US ASKING THIS EVENING TO REZONE THAT TO C FOUR.UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY THIS ONE PIECE IS ZONED C FIVE A.
UM, THE REQUEST IS TO GO TO C FOUR, WHICH IS VERY COMMON IN THIS AREA.
UH, THE INTENDED USES, UM, ARE LISTED HERE.
HOWEVER, THE PLANS ARE VERY PUBLIC AND VERY CONSPICUOUS.
THIS IS PART OF A SITE THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED FIRST UNDER THE CNI REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR MIXED USE CHILDCARE BUSINESS INCUBATION SPACE ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND UPPER LEVEL, UH, CONDOS AND APARTMENT UNITS.
THE HATCHED SECTION IS THE PARCEL WE ARE DISCUSSING.
THE REQUEST FOR THE AREAS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 100 FEET WHO RECEIVE A NOTIFICATION.
THIS IS AN AERIAL IMAGE OF THE PROPERTY AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.
THE CITY OWNS THE PIECE TO THE NORTH WITH THE FORMER HOTEL ON IT.
UH, HABITAT OWNS THAT PARCEL AND THE PARCEL TO THE WEST OF IT, UH, THAT IS ALL ALREADY ZONED C FOUR.
IT'S JUST THIS ONE PIECE HANGING OUT THAT IS ZONED C FIVE A AS ILLUSTRATED HERE.
AND WE ARE ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN THIS EVENING.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS REZONING YOU MAY HAVE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS FOR JESSICA.
IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE, UM, YOU'RE BASICALLY THE APPLICANT, SO I DON'T HAVE TO OPEN THAT UP.
UH, SO FOR THAT, I WILL OPEN UP TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.
READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS.
I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD, A RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS BOARD, UM, MOVES TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT AND THE FINDINGS THAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE APPLICABLE LAND USE AND DETERMINE TO BE REASONABLE AND IN PUBLIC INTEREST.
SECOND, HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
[VI.D. M L King Jr. Boulevard - Rezonings]
ON TO ITEM SIX, DMLK, JUNIOR BOULEVARD, REZONINGS.NOW DO YOU HAVE A FREE FORCE PLEASE? OKAY.
SO THIS ONE IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S INITIATED, UH, BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN.
UM, AS THE BOARD WILL RECALL, WE'VE HAD, UH, FORMER REZONINGS THAT WERE, UM, TO REZONE RESOLVE SPLIT ZONINGS.
SO THIS ONE, UH, CONTAINS THREE PROPERTIES OFF OF MLK BOULEVARD, UM, THAT ARE JUST UNDER EIGHT ACRES IN SIZE.
UH, SO THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL 15 AND COMMERCIAL THREE TO JUST THE COMMERCIAL THREE DISTRICT.
UH, WE DIDN'T GET CONSENT FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, WELL F WARD, UM, FOR WARD ARY TRUST.
UM, SO GOING THROUGH THE DISTRICTS, UH, THE RES RESIDENTIAL 15 DISTRICT IS A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WITH MINIMUM LOT SIZES OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, AND WE'VE SEEN COMMERCIAL THREE EARLIER TODAY.
SO THAT IS OUR MOST INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, UH, GENERATES HIGH TRAFFIC, UM, VOLUME.
AND WE'VE GOT, UH, USED COMPARISON CHART FOR YOU.
UM, ON THE LEFT WE'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL 15, AND ON THE RIGHT YOU'LL SEE COMMERCIAL THREE WITH THE SAMPLING OF USES AND LOOKING AT THE MAPS.
UM, AND THIS PROPERTY IS JUST NORTH OF HAYWOOD FARM SUBDIVISION.
UM, AND EAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF FRONT WOOD CREEK AND BUSINESS 17.
UH, SO THIS IS OUR NOTIFICATION MAP, UH, SHOWING A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER FOR THE PROPERTIES, WHICH WE'VE NOTIFIED OF THE REZONING REQUEST.
AND LOOKING AT THE AERIAL VIEW, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PROPERTY IS VACANT AND WOODED.
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE SUBDIVISION THAT IT ABUTS TO AND IT DOES, UM, BUT UP TO, UM, AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UM, AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET WE HAVE SOME VACANT PROPERTIES INTO THE EAST.
THERE ARE SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES OFF OF HIGHWAY 17.
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UM, LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP, YOU CAN SEE THE SPLIT ZONING WITH THE R 15 RESIDENTIAL AND THE C3 COMMERCIAL.UM, AND IT DOES ABOUT EACH OF THESE DISTRICTS, UH, AGAIN, YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO MAKE A RE RECOMMENDATION AND ADOPT ONE OF THE EXAMPLE CONSISTENCY STATEMENTS.
UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
I MARKS OF THESE, THESE PROPERTIES WERE ALREADY ZONED C3 ACCORDING TO THE MAP.
UM, SO THERE'S, UM, THREE PROPERTIES.
THERE'S A SKINNY ONE IN THE MIDDLE, UM, THAT IT THE ROAD FOR, UH, HAYWOOD FARMS. UH, IT USED TO CONNECT TO 17, BUT THAT'S CURRENTLY CLOSED.
THAT SKINNY PARCEL, UM, GOES OVER THE ROAD.
UM, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE IT IN THAT MAP.
AND THEN TO EITHER SIDE OF THAT SKINNY PARCEL, UH, YOU'LL SEE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE SPLIT WITH C3 AND R 15.
SO THE C3 AND RED AND R 15 AND THE YELLOW THERE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR NOLA? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NO, UH, WITH THAT I'LL OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC SPEAK ON THIS SIDE.
JUST TAKE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.
EVERYBODY WILL GET THEIR CHANCE.
HI, MY NAME IS KAREN VILLE AND MY HUSBAND AND I OWN A HOUSE AND WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 14 YEARS.
UM, MOST OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MANY YEARS.
IT'S A VERY PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR ANY CHANGES.
START EZ ALSO, I BUT UP DIRECTLY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR DIRECTLY TO THE ZONING.
AND THAT PARCEL THREE, THAT SKINNY PART IN THE MIDDLE IS AND WAS A ROAD.
UM, IT'S BEEN CLOSED DOWN FOR WHAT I HEAR IS OVER 25 YEARS FROM PEOPLE GOING THROUGH.
THERE WERE MULTIPLE KIDS HIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I DON'T, I'M JUST CONFUSED.
UM, SO I JUST, IS THAT, OOH, SORRY.
IS IT A ROAD OR IS IT A PARCEL OR WHAT? I'M NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING WHY THAT'S A THIRD BECAUSE WHEN I, I HAD CALLED BEFORE TO ASK ABOUT THAT ROAD, ABOUT IT BEING OPENED, REOPENED WHEN THEY HAD, UM, FOR PUT THE PROPERTIES UP FOR SALE.
IS IT CONSIDERED A ROAD OR IS THE ROAD A PARCEL? IS THAT ALL THE SAME TERMINOLOGY FOR IT? IS IT ALSO FOR SALE? LIKE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO DURING THIS PARK, WE'RE REALLY NOT GOING BACK AND FORTH.
YOU'RE JUST HAVING YOUR COMMENTS, OH, WE DON'T WANT THE ROAD OPEN.
AND THE BARRICADES TO BE PUT BACK UP BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TAKEN DOWN OFF 17 AND MULTIPLE VEHICLES COME THROUGH AND BACK UP.
SOMEBODY'S TAKING DOWN THE THINGS.
AND SO WE DON'T WANT THE ROAD OPENED OR ANY CHANGES THERE, I GUESS.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES? DIANE SHAFER, 1005 PETREE LANE, WHICH IS THE CUL-DE-SAC RIGHT AFTER THAT CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE CONSISTENT ZONING, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE R 15 IS 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS PER HOUSE AND THOSE WERE THE YELLOW LOTS THAT YOU WERE SHOWING.
AND THOSE ARE DIRECTLY ATTACHED TO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL IS OUT.
UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL IS ACTUALLY GOING IN THERE, IT MAY BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF A THEY DO OPEN THAT ROAD AGAIN AND IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC 'CAUSE IT'S JUST A TINY LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND THERE HAVE BEEN CHILDREN HIT, WHICH IS WHY THE CITY AGREED TO CLOSE IT 25 YEARS AGO, THE ROAD.
AND I THINK FOR MOST OF THE RESIDENTS, THAT IS THE MAJOR CONCERN IS MORE SO THAN THE ZONING IS WHETHER THAT WILL STAY CLOSED, IF THE ZONING CHANGES.
AND I THINK MOST, I SPEAK FOR ALL OF THE RESIDENTS.
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IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM THAT'S NOT THE APPLICANT? AYE, UM, CON AG, I LIVE AT 45 0 2 HAYWOOD FARMS. UH, I'VE BEEN THERE 26 YEARS AND MY WIFE WORKS AT THE, UH, GROW AT THE, EXCUSE ME, BEN QUINN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.AND SHE'S BEEN THERE ABOUT 29.
UM, WE'VE WATCHED THAT ROAD WHILE IT WAS BUSY AND NOW WHILE IT, UH, HAS, UH, SETTLED DOWN SINCE THEY CLOSED THAT, UH, ACCESS AND I THINK AS IT'S BEEN EXPRESSED, THAT IS OUR GREAT CONCERN THAT IT STAY A COMMUNITY, UH, NOT BE ACCESSIBLE BY TRUCKS AND, AND ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
UH, IF THERE WAS ANY WAY OF ENSURING THAT WHATEVER'S DONE THERE DOESN'T AFFECT THAT, THOSE PROPERTIES OR OUR CHILDREN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.
AND I THINK THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE'RE ALL SHOOTING FOR.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
HENRY KNOWN AS THE APPLICANT HERE, WOULD THEY LIKE TO SPEAK? UH, SO THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT.
UM, IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT, UM,
SO WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO, UH, THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.
WELL,
SO ONCE THE ROAD IS CLOSED, IT IS NO LONGER A PUBLICLY DEDICATED STREET AND IT RESORTS TO PRIVATE OWNERSHIP.
THE, THE SKINNY NOODLE IN THE IN BETWEEN, UM, SPECIFICALLY PARCEL 8 2 0 6 3001 IS IN THE PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF THE WAR TESTAMENTARY TRUST.
AND AT THIS POINT, I, I DON'T KNOW, UM, MADAM DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, IF THE DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED ANY REQUEST TO PLA A STREET THERE, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT LITTLE SKINNY PARCEL WOULD ACCOMMODATE, UM, A STREET BEING BUILT TO CITY STANDARDS.
BUT AT THIS TIME THAT REOPENING THAT STREET OR REOPENING THAT NOODLE IS NOT FOR CONSIDERATION.
ON THE TOPIC OF THE STREET, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS, LET'S SAY WE REZONE IT AND THE THE CITY GOES ON AND REZONES IT.
WHAT'S THE PROCESS TO A CONNECT IT AND IS THERE A WAY TO, FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT SHOULD BE CONNECTED IN THE FUTURE? IF IT WERE CONNECT TO WHAT EXACTLY? SO IF THEY, SO LET'S SAY WEONE IT AND LET'S SAY IT'S SOLD AND SAY I BUY IT AND I WANT TO CONNECT THAT STREET TO BUSINESS 17 BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
HOW, HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK? AND IS THERE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION IN THAT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE A STREET PUT THERE? SO, SHORT ANSWER, IT'S IN PRIVATE OWNERSHIP.
THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO COME ASK THAT.
THEY'D START, UH, PROBABLY WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND HE'D EXPLAINED THE HISTORY, BUT ON 17, YOU'RE GONNA NEED A DRIVEWAY CUT ONTO THEIR ROAD.
UM, MY GUESS IS THIS WOULD PRESUMABLY UNDER THE HOLISTIC C3 ZONING BE RECOMBINED AND, AND AT SOME POINT DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER BY THE WAY, BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL USE THERE AS DISCUSSED.
WHAT WOULD THAT BUFFER, WHAT WOULD THAT BE APPROXIMATELY? I, I DON'T WANT TO TEST YOU ON IT, BUT IS IT, IS IT 50 FEET? IS IT 20 FEET OR IT IT'S NOT 50, I THINK IT'S 10, 10 FEET.
I, AND I'M NOT TOTALLY SURE I THAT WITH SOME TRUCKS OR SOMETHING PUT UP YEAH.
WITH THE LANDSCAPING IN THERE, UH, HOWEVER, ANY OF THOSE, ANY CUTS ONTO 17 ARE GETTING DONE THROUGH THE STATE, NOT THROUGH THE CITY.
SO WE WOULD SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A STATE PROCESS.
IF, IF THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN THAT HAD THAT CONNECTION IN PLACE, UH, THEN DEPARTMENTS WOULD HAVE TO, DOT WOULD HAVE TO WEIGH IN AS WOULD, UH, PUBLIC WORKS.
BUT THAT PROCESS OF SITE PLAN REVIEW NOW IS NOT, DOESN'T COME OUT IN FORT RUST LIKE IT USED TO WHERE THE PUBLIC COULD COME AND COMMENT TO IT.
IT'S DONE INTERNALLY BY STAFF.
UH, SO THEY COULD, THEY COULD CUT A ROAD TO IT THAT DOESN'T CONNECT TO 17.
IT COULD BE A TRUCK ACCESS OR SOMETHING.
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THEY'RE APPLYING FOR IT TO CONNECT TO THIS ROAD, IT WOULD SHOW UP ON THE SITE PLAN, WHICH THE PUBLIC WOULD NEVER SEE.NOW THAT IT DOESN'T COME TO US, IT DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE SITE PLAN.
SO LET'S JUST SAY FOR INSTANCE, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO DO A MULTIFAMILY USE, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF MULTIFAMILY IS A SPECIAL USE IN THIS DISTRICT OR NOT, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THEY'RE APPLYING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT IS A PUBLIC PROCESS.
IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING NEIGHBORING, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE NOTIFIED.
THEY MAY EVEN HAVE STANDING TO COME AND OFFER EVIDENCE AT THE HEARING ABOUT WHETHER THAT SITE, UM, PROPOSED USE WOULD BE A DETRIMENT TO THAT COMMUNITY.
SO THERE ARE SOME CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THERE WOULD MAY BE PUBLIC INPUT, BUT IF THE LANDOWNER WANTED TO PLA THAT STREET AND OPEN IT UP, NOW THEY WOULD HAVE THE EXPENSE AND THE PERMITTING PROCESS OF BOTH THE STATE AND THE CITY OF NEW BERN TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I'M JUST THINKING IF THERE WERE TO PUT APARTMENTS ON THERE AND THEY WANTED THAT SECONDARY OUT, IF THAT IN ANY WAY CONNECTS TO BUSINESS 17, THAT'S GONNA BE A CUT THROUGH ROAD.
PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA GO DOWN TO THE LIGHT, THEY'RE GONNA CUT THROUGH THIS LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I MEAN, I DON'T, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE SOME WAY OF RAISING THEIR CONCERNS TO SOMEONE THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE A VERY GOOD IDEA.
UM, 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT WAS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE I KNOW IF IT WAS CONNECTED AND I WAS COMING DOWN 17 AND I LIVED IN TRENT WOODS, I WOULD GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND I KNOW A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WOULD.
AND YOU'D PUT A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN A VERY QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HELPED A A MAN CAMPAIGN FOR OFFICE OVER THERE.
UM, SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE N-C-D-O-T AND SEVERAL OTHER PROCESSES.
SO IN THEORY THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC COMMENT AND, AND IN SUPPORT OR AGAINST THAT CONNECTION, A PERSON'S ABILITY TO IMPROVE THAT CUT THROUGH IS REGARDLESS OF ZONING.
I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA, CURRENTLY IT'S SPLIT ZONE SO IT'S LESS MARKETABLE AND IF, IF WE DO ZONE IT, THEN IT BECOMES MORE MARKETABLE.
SO THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THAT POSSIBILITY INCREASE.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I BRING IT UP.
I DO THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE HERE TO ADD A HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY SECTION INTO THE STAFF REPORT THAT GETS TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN TO DISCUSS THE CONCERNS OVER THIS.
AND THEY MAY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF IT'S COMBINED INTO ONE OR THERE'S OTHER WAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, WAYS TO, TO KIND OF QUALM THAT CONCERN, WHICH I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND.
UH, THE ROAD COULD HAPPEN WHETHER RIGHT.
WHETHER WE CHANGE THE ZONING OR NOT.
BUT THAT IS IMPORTANT INFORMATION AND WE'LL INCORPORATE IT INTO THE STAFF REPORT MOVING FORWARD.
EITHER, EITHER WAY YOU RECOMMEND IT.
WHY IS THE CITY THE APPLICANT FOR THIS REQUEST? WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO ELIMINATE AS MANY SPLIT ZONE PROPERTIES AS WE CAN.
UM, QUESTION, UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT UM, I'M CORRECT IN SAYING THAT C3 WOULD ALLOW VAPE SHOPS THIS CLOSE TO RESIDENCES AND IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND THAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION? I DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, SIR.
FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE IT MAKES SENSE.
UH, THAT THE ROAD ISSUE IS ANOTHER ISSUE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS.
OTHER THAN US, WE HAVE NO WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT ROAD ISSUE.
BUT C FOUR WOULD ALLOW PLENTY OF COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR THAT AREA.
BUT WITH C3 ON EITHER SIDE AND ACROSS THE HIGHWAY, IT, IT, IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE C3 I-I-I-I-I-I IT.
WELL IF YOU'RE GONNA REZONE IT, THEN THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE.
HE COULDN'T DO A C FOUR OR SOMETHING OVER THERE.
BUT I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT DEALING WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR RECONNECTING THE ROAD NEEDS TO BE, THAT'S FRONT LINE TO ME NEEDS TO BE, IT SHOULD BE A VERY TRANSPARENT PROCESS THAT THESE FOLKS CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW ABOUT AND HAVE INPUT INTO.
AND SO IF, IF ANYTHING EVER HAPPENS, KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN FOR A BIG SIGN THAT SAYS SUBDIVISION REVIEW.
'CAUSE THAT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
NO, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, FOR THEM TO CONTACT YOU ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION REVIEW PROCESS AND GIVE THEIR INPUT.
IF UH, THIS PROPERTY WERE SUBJECT TO A SUBDIVISION, UM, WE WOULD PUT OUT A SIGN.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT, BUT UP AGAINST IT WOULD GET A, THEY'D GET A LETTER IN THE MAIL, RIGHT? UM, OR DID THEY NOT GET A LETTER IN THE MAIL
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DURING THAT PROCESS? I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, WE POST THE SIGN, UM, FOR SUBDIVISIONS.UM, IF THEY RECOMBINE AND DEVELOP AS ONE, UM, THEN IT WOULD BE POSTED.
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO WE DO LETTERS FOR REZONING BUT NOT FOR SUBDIVISIONS.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'M OPEN TO A, A, UH, MOTION ON THIS ITEM.
YOU WANNA PUT THE LITTLE MOTION THINGS UP HERE AT ALL? OH YEAH.
OH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT UH, THE BOARD RECOMMEND MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN APPROVE THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT AND FINDINGS THAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH ANY COMPREHENSIVE OR APPLICABLE LAND USE PLANS DETERMINED TO BE REASONABLE AND IN PUBLIC INTEREST.
I SECOND I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, I JUST WANT IT ON THE RECORD THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CLOSE TO THAT PROPERTY SHOULD BE HEARD AS TO WHAT IT'S DONE WITH IT.
UM, WITH THAT I WILL, UM, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[VI.E. 1822 S Glenburnie Road - Rezoning]
ON TO ITEM SIX E 1822 SOUTH GLEN BURN ROAD.MELODY, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS? OKAY, SO LAST ON THE AGENDA.
THIS IS ANOTHER, UM, CITY INITIATED REZONING TO CORRECT SPLIT ZONING.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS 1822 SOUTH GLEN BURNIE ROAD.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS TYSON AND HINES INVESTMENTS.
UH, THE PROPERTY TO CENTER THREE ACRES IN SIZE AND THE REQUEST IS TO GO FROM RESIDENTIAL SIX AND COMMERCIAL FOUR TO JUST COMMERCIAL FOUR.
UH, WE SAW, UH, RESIDENTIAL SIX EARLIER.
SO THESE ARE MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 6,000 SQUARE FEET, UNLIKE THE ONE EARLIER THAT WE SAW.
UM, THE BASICS, UM, R SIX DOES ALLOW, UM, DUPLEXES, UM, AND MULTIFAMILY BY SPECIAL USE.
UH, THE COMMERCIAL FORD DISTRICT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT.
UM, IT'S UH, DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, NEARBY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, UH, WITH UH, COMMERCIAL LIMITED COMMERCIAL USES.
UH, SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE A COMPARISON CHART HERE.
UH, WE HAVE R SIX TO THE LEFT IN COMMERCIAL FOUR TO THE RIGHT.
I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO LOOK OVER THE CHART.
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS 1822 SOUTH GLEN BURNIE.
UH, THIS IS NEAR THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE POST OFFICE.
UM, AND IT DOES A UM, HARVARD WAY.
WE HAVE THE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER MAP THAT WE USE FOR SENDING OUT NOTIFICATIONS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT LIGHT BLUE, THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE NOTIFIED AND THE AERIAL VIEW.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED UH, WITH COMMERCIAL USES.
SO WE DO HAVE UH, MINI STORAGE IN THE BACK AND A STRIP CENTER IN THE FRONT WITH UM, SOME SHOPS.
UM, SO THIS DOES BACK UP TO THE GREEN BRIAR ENTRYWAY.
UM, EXCEL MOBILE TO THE NORTH.
UM, AS I SAID EARLIER, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE POST OFFICE AND WE DO HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE SOUTH ALONG HARVARD WAY.
UM, HERE YOU'LL SEE THE ZONING MAP.
UM, SO THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS C FOUR AND YOU CAN SEE UM, ALONG HARVARD WAY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF YELLOW, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL UH, USE.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO UM, RESOLVE THAT, MAKE THE WHOLE PROPERTY C FOUR.
UM, AND THERE IS A C3 ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, GREEN GREENBRIER IS UM, R 10.
AND THEN WE GOT R SIX, THE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT IT BUTTS UP TO.
UM, AND I'M SORRY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE DO NOT HAVE THE SUGGESTIONS, UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE OVERHEAD MAP? I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS.
BOARD, HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR NOLA?
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NOLA, HOW DOES IT WORK WHEN THE CITY'S, UM, COORDINATING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER? WAS THIS INITIATED BY THE CITY? TRYING TO EXPLAIN.UM, SO THIS WAS A PROPERTY OWNER THAT UM, WE HAD GOTTEN CONSENT FROM BEFORE.
UM, SO WE DON'T INITIATE UNTIL WE HAVE CONSENT.
UM, AND WE WAITED UNTIL WE HAD SOME OTHER, UM, ITEMS TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD.
SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, HODGEPODGING IT OUT.
WE TRY TO PRESENT A PACKAGE TO THE BOARD.
UM, BUT IT'S ALL BASED OFF OF OTHER CONSENTS.
UM, SO WHEN WE KNOW THAT THERE'S PROPERTIES THAT ARE UM, SPLIT ZONE AND WE DO HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ASKED THEM ARE THEY INTERESTED IN RESOLVING THE SPLIT ZONING? SO, UH, THIS ONE FOR INSTANCE, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE HAD ONE THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY.
UM, AND RECOGNIZE THAT UM, THIS ONE WAS ALSO SPLIT ZONE.
NO, WELL THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC IF THERE'S ANYONE I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS SIDE.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MEET WITH ME THIS EVENING.
MY NAME'S ASHLEY FILLING GAME.
I OWN 35 0 4 B HARVARD WAY, ONE OF THE DUPLEXES THAT IS RIGHT SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT IS LOOKING TO BE UM, REZONED.
UM, MY ONLY CONCERN REALLY IS RIGHT NOW IT'S A STORAGE UNIT THAT ACTUALLY BACKS UP TO THE DUPLEXES THAT ARE RIGHT THERE.
MARIO'S PIZZA, THE TOBACCO SHOP, THE UPS STORE IS ALL IN THE FRONT, WHICH DOESN'T AFFECT KIND OF THE FARTHER BACK DUPLEXES THAT ARE THERE.
AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU HAVE ARTUROS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THE CONCERN WOULD JUST BE WITH THE REZONING MAKE, MAYBE MAKING IT MORE MARKETABLE TO SOMEBODY WANTING TO PUT SOMETHING A LITTLE NOISIER OR BIGGER OR LARGER BACK THERE.
I DON'T CURRENTLY LIVE THERE, I OWN IT AS A RENTAL PROPERTY.
IT WAS THE ONLY PLACE I COULD AFFORD TO BUY WHEN I MOVED HERE.
UM, I'VE SINCE GOT MARRIED AND MOVED TO VANCE BURRO, BUT WITH THE TENANT THAT I HAVE THERE, THE CONCERN OF IF HE WOULD WANNA LEAVE BECAUSE OF WHATEVER GETS BUILT THERE AS WELL AS THE OTHER PEOPLE.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO RENT THOSE PROPERTIES.
IF THAT'S A SECONDARY INCOME FOR US THAT WE NEED, I WOULD JUST ASK IF THE BOARD APPROVES IT, IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME PRETTY STRICT EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THE BUFFER AREA.
JUST BECAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES WE CAN HAVE LIKE TWO ROWS OF HEDGES VERSUS ONE HOW TALL THE FENCE WILL BE THAT THEY PUT UP.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY THERE'S SORTA A CHAIN LINK FENCE AND SORT OF SOME WOOD FENCE.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER WHAT I'VE READ TO BE A TRUE BUFFER JUST FOR YEARS OF WEAR AND TEAR.
LIKE I'VE SAID, I'VE OWNED IT FOR ABOUT 18 YEARS SO OBVIOUSLY THINGS CHANGE.
SO NOT THAT WE'RE ANTI PROGRESS AND MORE THINGS BEING ABLE TO GO THERE, BUT A STORAGE UNIT IS PRETTY QUIET FOR THE MOST PART.
AND THEN JUST CONCERN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THAT PARKING LOT, IF YOU'VE EVER GONE TO UPS OR TRIED TO EAT AT MARIO'S PIZZA BEFORE IT MOVED, UM, IS A LITTLE BIT OF A NIGHTMARE.
SO DEPENDING ON WHAT WENT BACK THERE, JUST SOME CONCERN OF TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND NOT WANTING A CUT THROUGH SITUATION TO SOMEHOW BE THERE.
AND THEN THE FEW KIDS WHO DO LIVE BACK THERE, THEIR BUS STOP IS AT THE FRONT.
AND WITH THAT, SEEING THE AUDIENCE IS CLEARED UP, I WILL
I'D LIKE TO ASK NOLAN, WHAT, WHAT IS IS THE ACTUAL SIZE OF THE PIECE THAT IS GOING FROM RR SIX TO TO C FOUR? I MEAN, IT'S A LITTLE NARROW STRIP THAT NOTHING WOULD YES.
SO WE DIDN'T GET A MEASUREMENT ON IT, BUT ER CORRECTED IS A NARROW STRIP.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT IT REACHES INTO THE BUILDING THERE.
UH, TRYING TO COMPARE THE AERIAL TO, UM, THE ZONING THERE.
SO, UM, THE PORTION THAT IS, UH, RESIDENTIAL DESERT, BUT UP TO HARVARD WAY, UM, LEMME GO BACK.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT GO AS DEEP AS WHERE THE STRIP SHOPPING CENTER STARTS.
SO, UM, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY, UM, IN THE PARKING LOT WHERE THE, UM, COULD GO BACK.
ONE AGAIN IS
THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE LADY'S CONCERNED ABOUT, YEAH.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY, I MEAN THEY'RE REALLY NOTHING.
I DON'T THINK THEY CAN PULL ANY PERMITS TO BUILD
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ANYTHING ELSE NO.I THAT, SO THAT IS SOME ASSURANCE WITHOUT TEARING EVERYTHING DOWN AND STARTING OVER, THERE'S REALLY NO OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP IT AND THAT THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO YEAH.
MAKE SURE THAT SHE UNDERSTANDS.
WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS INCONSEQUENTIAL TO ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE.
AND IF THEY SELL IT, THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD ANYWAY.
IT SEEMS PRETTY INSIGNIFICANT TO ME.
JUST A LITTLE CLEANUP GOING ON.
THE INTERESTING THING, YOU GO TO THE AERIAL MAP AGAIN ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HARVARD WAY IS IS STILL R SIX AND IT'S ANOTHER STRIP CENTER IN R SIX ZONE KIND OF
DID YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE SAYING ABOUT YOUR CONCERN? WELL, AM I ALLOWED TO WITHOUT OBJECTION FROM THE BOARD.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK WITH THE DO.
I'M ALSO TRYING TO LEARN SO I CAN TEACH MY KIDS AT SCHOOL.
MY WIFE, MY WIFE'S A SCHOOL TEACHER.
BUT SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERN, AND LIKE I SAID, I TRIED TO RESEARCH, I'M NOT AN EXPERT, BUT I KNOW YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT LIKE C3 FOR THE USE OF THE VAPE SHOP.
WELL WE ALREADY HAVE A VAPE SHOP ON THE CORNER AND WE'RE A R SIX C FOUR AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE.
SO WE, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION IN GENERAL AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IF THE OTHER SIDE IS GONNA GET CHANGED TO SOMETHING, WHAT'S TO SAY? SOMEBODY DOESN'T COME AND SAY, WELL I WANNA BUY IT SO I CAN KNOCK DOWN THE STORAGE UNIT AND BUILD SOMETHING THAT THEN CAN LOOK INTO MY BACKYARD.
LIKE I THINK THAT WAS MORE OF JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION.
NOT THAT IT'S GOOD OR BAD, BUT JUST LET'S BRING UP THAT ZONING MAP, IF YOU DON'T MIND THOUGH.
AND JUST ONE QUICK POINT, I DO THINK WHAT'S BEING DESCRIBED COULD BE DONE REGARDLESS OF THIS SMALL CHANGE.
IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME KNOCK DOWN WHAT'S THEIR EXISTING YEAH.
AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEY COULD DO THAT UNDER THE EXISTING PERMITABLE USE.
SO CLAR, SO JUST FOR CLARITY, SO YOU CAN TEACH YOUR STUDENTS, UM, THE, UM, THE BACK THERE WHERE THE, THE, UM, THE STORAGE UNIT AND ALL THAT, THAT'S NOT CHANGING, THAT'S STAYING EXACTLY AS IT IS.
WHAT'S CHANGING IS THE PART UP FRONT.
SO YOU SEE THE, THE YELLOW PART THERE IS GONNA BE, THAT'S WHAT'S CHANGING TO RED, WHICH IS THE, THE COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I'M EXPLAINING THAT CORRECTLY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S CHANGING.
SO THAT'S, IT'S JUST TIDYING UP THE CITY'S MAP.
NEW VAPE SHOPS WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED THERE, BUT IT WAS ABOUT 2020 APPROXIMATELY WHEN THE CITY CHANGED THE RULES THAT YOU COULD NOT DO VAPE SHOPS IN C FOUR APPROXIMATELY.
AND UM, SO, UH, IF THAT ONE WAS THERE THEN, THEN THEY'RE PROBABLY, BUT YOU COULD RAISE THAT ISSUE, YOU KNOW, SO ASK WHY, WHY IS THAT MATTER? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? OR, UM, IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM 60.
UM, I RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD OF OTTMAN APPROVE THE PROPOSED ZONING AND MAP AMENDMENT AND THE FUNDINGS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN AND ARE DETERMINED TO BE REASONABLE AND IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
[VII. NEW BUSINESS]
FOR THAT WE'RE GOT A NEW BUSINESS.DOES ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? YES, I DO.
YOU KNOW THAT, BUT I'LL MAKE IT REALLY QUICK.
UM, I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY, UM, AND I'M FAMILIAR THAT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, UM, PEOPLE ARE OPENING MANY HOME AREAS FOR VETS, SPECIFICALLY FOR VETS.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENT TO THE ZONING SO THAT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, UM, AND UH, THAT'S, IF YOU RESEARCH TO GOOGLE A NUMBER OF CITIES WHO ARE NOW SETTING UP AREAS LIKE THAT FOR MANY HOMES, AFFORDABLE, MANY HOMES FOR VETS, ESPECIALLY DISABLEDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THEY'RE PORTABLE.
THEY WERE WHEELS, YOU KNOW, SO IT PROBABLY REQUIRE SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE THE MANY HOMES BEING LOOKED AT IN THE DATE FOR THE OKAY.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE CONDITIONAL ZONING SOON AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THESE OUT.
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MR. W'S PET PROJECT CONDITIONAL ZONING.I'VE ON THAT SINCE BEFORE I I KNOW YOU HAVE THAT.
I'VE BEEN HEARING YOU FOR A WHILE ALSO.
UM, I HAD TWO PEOPLE APPROACH ME AND ASK ME ABOUT AUXILIARY DWELLING UNITS FOR, UM, THE ELDERLY BEING ABLE TO TAKE THEIR PARENTS IN THE CITY AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THAT.
I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE WE ARE WITH, WILL WE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE THINKING ABOUT EVER ZONING FOR ADDING, BEING ABLE TO ADD A DWELL, UH, THOSE AUXILIARY DWELLING UNITS WE ARE LOOKING AT, INCLUDING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS? I PUT A FEELER OUT TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND A WORKSHOP LAST MONTH.
THEY WERE, THEY SEEMED SUPPORTIVE OF US INCLUDING IT IN, IN OUR, UH, DRAFT, WHICH IS GOING TO LOOK VERY DIFFERENT THAN WE ORIGINALLY HAD THOUGHT.
AND I, WHEN BRAD WANTS TO HAND IT BACK OVER TO ME, I'LL SAY A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT.
YOU'VE ALMOST, WE'RE ALMOST AT YOUR, AT YOUR SPOT.
DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, KEVIN? NO, SIR, I'M DONE.
UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD BRING UP, UM, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL TIMES TONIGHT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE NOT BEING A PLAN OR THERE SHOULD BE A PLAN OR WHY ISN'T THERE A PLAN AND, UM, WE ALL CALLED THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
UM, SO I I WOULD WELCOME ANY MEMBER OF THIS BOARD.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR JUSTIFICATION IS, AND I'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS WITH JAMIE OVER THE YEARS.
UM, BUT IF THERE THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO OR WOULD LIKE TO DO AS A BOARD, I I'M HERE TO SUPPORT IT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
THEN I, I'LL GO TRY TO FIGHT THE BATTLE AS, UH, HOWEVER I CAN.
UM, BRAD, I DO THINK OUR ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT IN THE RE NEWBURN EFFORT AT THE RIGHT TIME IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO YES.
VERY INVOLVED AND HANDS ON WITH THAT.
AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS BOARD TO BE AS MUCH AS, UH, THE CITY WILL ALLOW US AND AS WE WANT TO BE, UM, IN THAT INITIATIVE.
I THINK THAT'S OUR ABSOLUTELY.
AND, UH, JAMES GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT HERE RIGHT NOW, UNLESS THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE FOR NEW BUSINESS.
[VIII. STAFF COMMENTS]
DID YOU STILL WANNA TALK TO US ABOUT THE UH OH YEAH.OH, WE GOT, WE GOT JAMIE'S, WE GOT JESSE'S.
I ANSWERED TO JULIE AND JENNIFER AS WELL.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE STATE HAS GIVEN US THE ASSURANCE, UH, IN THIS ROUND OF, OF THEIR ACTION THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE UNDOING THE DOWN ZONING BILL.
IT IS NOT BECAUSE OUR ATTORNEYS HAVEN'T FOUGHT TO CHANGE THIS.
ALL THE ATTORNEYS AROUND HERE, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING.
WE HAVE TAKEN THIS FROM FOUR DIFFERENT ANGLES.
SO WE HAVE NEW RULES TO WORK UNDER THAT.
WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT, THE CONSULTANT IS COMING INTO TOWN AND MEETING WITH, UH, ME AND THE CITY MANAGER AND OUR LEGAL TEAM, UH, TO DISCUSS WHAT WE DO NEXT.
SO WE HAVE ANNOTATED EVERYTHING WE EVER INTENDED TO DO ON THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE STILL ALLOWED TO DO.
AND WE ARE GOING TO PUT THE PLAN TOGETHER ON HOW TO DO THAT.
I WILL TELL YOU THIS, UH, I WANTED A NICE NEW CLEAN ZONING MAP TO GO WITH A NICE NEW CLEAN LEGAL LAND USE ORDINANCE.
HOWEVER, UH, I THINK CLEANING UP THE ZONING MAP AT THIS POINT IS A PIE IN THE SKY DREAM HOLISTICALLY GIVEN, UH, THAT WE NEED TO HAVE WRITTEN CONSENT FROM EVERY SINGLE PERSON TO DO THAT.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON THE TEXT NOW.
THE WORK WE ARE DOING WITH THE CONSULTANT, HE IS RIGHT NOW WORKING ON A NEW SIGN ORDINANCE FOR US THAT WAS RELATIVELY NOT IMPACTED.
WE, OUR SIGN ORDINANCE, UH, IF YOU READ IT IN THE DIFFERENT LIGHT OF DAY, IT SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT, DEVELOPERS DON'T LIKE IT, SIGN COMPANIES DON'T LIKE IT AND STAFF, UH, FINDS IT VERY DIFFICULT TO GIVE SOMEBODY A CONCRETE ANSWER ON.
SO WE'VE PULLED THAT OUT AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE THAT AS A TEXT AMENDMENT BEFORE EVERYTHING ELSE.
THERE IS ANOTHER LIST OF RELATIVELY QUICK FIXES WE CAN MAKE TO THE USE CHART TO ALLEVIATE SOME CONFUSION ON WHAT TO DO WITH BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CASES.
WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE OF USES GOING INTO EXISTING BUILDINGS.
IT'S REALLY NOT MAKING SENSE TO SEND THESE PEOPLE TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
THE EXPENSE OF ALL THE DOCUMENTS YOU'RE REQUIRED TO EVEN GET A TICKET TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE THAT AS A TEXT AMENDMENT AS WELL.
WE WILL PUT A WORK PLAN TOGETHER, A NEW WORK PLAN.
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ON THIS BOARD GUIDING, UH, AND REVIEWING TEXT AMENDMENTS IN PIECES AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT MAY, THE OLD SCHOOL WAY OF DOING THIS MAY JUST BE THE WAY TO GET IT DONE AND THEN WE'LL MAKE IT LOOK REAL PRETTY.NOT UNLIKE THE EXERCISE THE HBC IS GOING THROUGH FOR THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS.
UH, THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT DEAL OF RESEARCH THAT HAS GENERATED VERY FEW ACTUAL TEXTUAL CHANGES, WHICH IS WHAT I ANTICIPATED WOULD HAPPEN.
AND ONCE WE GET THOSE TEXTUAL, TEXTUAL CHANGES, UH, I THINK THE NEXT REGULAR HPC MEETING, THEY'LL PROBABLY, THEY HAVE TO ADOPT THEIR OWN CHANGES AND THEN WE'LL SEE THEM HERE.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES TO THE TEXT IN THIS ROUND.
THERE'LL BE, UH, ONCE THAT'S ADOPTED AND THE, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGES ARE ALLOWING SOME NEW MATERIALS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS ON, ON ADDITIONS, A COUP, SOME NEW PRODUCTS.
THEY'RE ALLOWED, PEOPLE WOULD BE ALLOWED IF THIS IS ADOPTED TO USE ON DECKS.
CLEANUP OF A LOT OF DEFINITIONS.
ONCE WE HAVE THAT, THIS DOCUMENT IS GONNA GET THE FIRST VERSION OF PRETTY TREATMENT FOR THE CITY OF NEW BERN.
IF WE LIKE THE WAY THAT LOOKS, I THINK THE LAND USE ORDINANCE WILL BE PACKAGED TO LOOK VERY, VERY SIMILAR.
IT'LL ALL BE EMBEDDED TOGETHER.
AND SO I HOPE TO BE BACK HERE NEXT MONTH AFTER THAT MEETING WITH A MORE CONCRETE PLAN ON HOW TO MOVE THESE CHANGES.
WE KNOW WE NEED FORWARD AND FOR THE TIME BEING BE PATIENT AS WE BRING THESE SPLIT ZONING SITUATIONS, THEY'RE ALL VETTED BY SCOTT OR JAMIE BEFORE THEY GET HERE.
IT IS JUST BETTER PRACTICE NOT TO HAVE SPLIT ZONED PROPERTIES AT MOST LAND USE PLANS, EVEN WRITE THAT, WHICH BRINGS ME BACK TO OUR LAND USE PLAN.
THERE WAS, UH, A VERY SIMPLE UPDATE DONE THAT WAS CALLED A, A NEW PLAN BACK IN 2022.
IT IS VERY MUCH AN ADDENDUM THAT WAS LAYERED ON A PLAN THAT AT ONE POINT IN TIME PROBABLY WAS A, A GOOD USEFUL PLAN.
I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND OUR PLANNING DOCUMENTS NEED MORE USEFUL INFORMATION.
AREAS THAT WERE POINTED OUT TODAY THAT ARE GROWING VERY, VERY QUICKLY.
UH, IT WOULD BE USEFUL IF THAT WORK HAD BEEN DONE IN THIS LAST PLAN UPDATE, BUT IT WAS NOT.
UM, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DOCUMENTS AND THE MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, BUT ONCE WE CAN GET THE, UH, LAND USE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WASN'T, IS STILL THE FIRST PRIORITY TO GET CLEANED UP, WE'LL VERY MUCH BE ENGAGING IN GOING THROUGH A LAND USE PLAN UPDATE BECAUSE THE ONE THAT WE HAVE IS NOT VERY USEFUL.
WHEN I STAND BEFORE THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND HAVE TO SAY, DOES THIS MEET WHAT'S ANNUAL LAND USE PLAN? AND THE LAND USE CATEGORY IS SIMPLY DEVELOPED, THAT DOESN'T OFFER ME, YOU OR THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN ANY USEFUL INFORMATION.
THE LAND USE PLAN SHOULD BE THE GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR A CITY.
YOU SHOULD LOOK AT IT FOR EVERYTHING.
AND OURS DOES NOT OPERATE IN THAT WAY.
UH, THOSE GET TYPICALLY UPDATED LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT EVERY 10 LAND USE PLANS CAN GO A LITTLE LONGER.
THE STATE CHANGED THE RULE ON THE CAAMA PLANS, BUT OUR, OUR NEXT LAND USE PLAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MORE ROBUST AND HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND MORE GUIDANCE THAN THE ONE WE'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW.
JUST A QUESTION BECAUSE THIS GROUP BOARD OF ALMAN PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THE BOYS OF WAR WAR THING AND MAKING, HAVE THEY APPLIED YET FOR THE UM, UM, SPECIAL USE PERMIT? FOR WHO? FOR WHAT? CAUSE OF WAR FOR THAT PROPERTY THAT FOR I'M SORRY.
CAUSE OF WAR, THE DOG TRAINING.
OH, THEY RECENTLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY THAT WENT THROUGH THAT.
THE OWNERS COMMUNICATED THAT TO US.
THEY'RE GONNA BE PUTTING UP A TEMPORARY COMING SOON, UH, SIGN AND THEY ARE WORKING WITH THEIR SURVEYOR RIGHT NOW AND THEY'LL BE AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS I THINK.
THEY WERE ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE SUN JOURNAL THIS PAST WEEK.
YEAH, I SHOWED ON THE NEWS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA AS, YOU KNOW WHAT, I GUESS IT'S GONNA BE COUPLE OF AGENDAS.
THAT HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED YET.
KI YOU SURE? I I THINK NOW'S THE TIME.
I THINK MOTION WILL BE ADJOURNED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.