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ALRIGHT,I CALLED IT THE ORDER CALL TO ORDER THE AUGUST 5TH DESIGN REVIEW MEETING OF THE NEW BERN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING IS USED FOR THE REVIEW OF PROJECT SUBMITTED FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, FOR COAS, FOR TRAINING, AND FOR INFORMAL DISCUSSION ON MATTERS THAT DON'T REQUIRE FORMAL ACTION BY THE COMMISSION.
SINCE NO FORMAL VOTES ARE TAKEN AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, ALTHOUGH WE WILL TAKE ROLE, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR A QUORUM OF HPC COMMISSIONERS TO BE PRESENT AT THE MEETING.
AND WITH THAT, MATT, COULD YOU CALL ROLE CERTAINLY.
AND THE OTHERS? UH, MOLLY'S EXPECTED, I BELIEVE, RIGHT, TIM? UH, I THINK SO.
UH, AND THE OTHERS ARE EXCUSED.
SO WE WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, EVEN THOUGH ONE IS NOT, YES, WE HAVE A QUORUM EVEN THOUGH ONE IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THE MEETING.
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THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? MATT, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? AGENDA? I DO NOT.[2.A. 205 King St. – rear patio roof addition in Tertiary AVC]
WELL, LET'S GET GOING THEN, BECAUSE OUR FIRST, UH, DESIGN APPLICATION REVIEW IS 2 0 5 KING STREET.AND WE, I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMEONE THERE FROM 2 0 5 KING, RIGHT? OH, YOU DON'T NEED TO SPEAK YET.
WE JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT WE YOU'RE, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING, RIGHT? YOU'RE HERE FOR 2 0 5 KING STREET? YES.
I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND DO A LITTLE INTRO FOR YOU.
UH, FOR THIS INFORMAL MEETING, UH, DISCUSSION.
UH, BUT THEY DID PROVIDE THE APPLICATION AS WE'RE SCROLLING THROUGH HERE.
SO THAT GETS HIM, UH, THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT TO GET INTO THE REGULAR MEETING NEXT, UH, IN TWO WEEKS.
IF, UM, YOU GUYS, IF THE HPC BELIEVES THAT IT'S READY, SO, UH, THEY'VE PROVIDED SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE, UH, OF THE LOCATION, UH, IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AT 2 0 5 KING STREET.
AND THE PROJECT IS TO ADD A, A ROOF COVERING OVER THIS PATIO AREA OUTSIDE THESE BACK DOORS.
UM, AND OFF TO THE SIDE ON THE LEFT THERE.
SO SOME VARIOUS OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE DESIGN CONSTRAINTS AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THE PROJECT.
AND THERE'S A GOOD PICTURE THERE.
UH, FROM THE SIDE DIAGONALLY, I THINK THAT'S THE SAME PHOTO, JUST BLACK, WHITE.
HERE'S ANOTHER PHOTO A LITTLE BIT WIDER, UH, THAN WE HAD BEFORE.
UM, THIS SHOWS THE AREA WHERE, UM, UH, THIS CORNER OF THE HOUSE, UH, WITH THE DOORS BETWEEN THE DOORS AND THE WINDOW, THAT CORNER IS THE CORNER WHERE, UH, THERE THE ROOF WILL TRANSITION FROM SLOPING TO THE BACKYARD TO SLOPING TO THE SIDE YARD.
AND THERE IS A, UM, UH, A CHIMNEY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
SO IT HAS TO, BASICALLY HAS TO END AT THAT SPOT THERE, OR THAT'S THE PLAN AND EXTEND OUT OVER THIS AREA.
THAT MAY BE WHERE ONE OF THE POSTS ARE GOING.
THIS IS NOW GETTING INTO THE CONSTRUCTION WITH, UH, THESE, UM, STRONG TIES.
AND HERE'S A LITTLE MODEL, UM, GIVING US AN IDEA AS TO WHAT, UH, THE, UH, STRUCTURE WOULD BE LIKE.
UM, EXCEPT IT'S MISSING WHAT SOME SLOPE TO THE ROOF.
AND, AND TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT BETTER, THE TWO POSTS ON THE END GO INTO THE GROUND.
THE INTERMEDIATE ONE WOULD SIT ON TOP OF THE, UH, PATIO BECAUSE IT WAS TOO BIG A SPAN TO DO IT WITH JUST TWO POSTER.
THOSE WOULD BE SIX BY SIXES AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IN THE CORNER ALSO ONTO THE PATIO THAT ACTUALLY WILL GO INTO THE GROUND WHEN YOU DID THE MODEL.
AND THEN ANOTHER ANGLE, LOOKING AT THAT A LITTLE HIGHER FROM HIGHER UP, YOU SEE THE, UH, THE PIECES END THERE.
UH, WHEN HE WAS CONS WHEN I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS GONNA BE A ROOF OR NOT, I HAD THAT LITTLE IMAGE GO BY THERE ABOUT WHAT'S A PERGOLA AND A TRELLIS AND ALL THAT STUFF, BUT NO LONGER NECESSARY.
UH, THIS WAS THE INITIAL SKETCH.
UH, BUT THEY DID, UH, STRAIGHTEN THAT UP
I, I WASN'T SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT SKETCH
I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO READ.
SO, UM, WE DO, HOWEVER, HAVE THE QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THIS AREA HERE WHERE YOU HAVE THE 120 INCHES.
DID YOU GET MY LAST EMAIL? WHAT, WHAT I WAS GONNA DO IS LEDGER, IT GOES AGAINST THE HOUSE IS TO COME STRAIGHT OUT WHERE SAYS 120 INCHES
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WITH A TWO BY SIX.AND ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT, WITH A TWO BY EIGHT, THE TWO BY EIGHT, THAT THAT'LL BECOME A, SO THE SHORT SECTION, THE SIX FOOT PIECES WOULD START AT THAT BEAM AND THEY WOULD EXTEND OVER THE BEAM TO THE LEFT VERSUS 1 9 7, IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY FLAT.
BUT IF ALL OF THE ONES THAT COME OUT FROM THE HOUSE ARE TWO TO SIXES WITH A VERY SLIGHT PITCH, I DON'T THINK MUCH OF A PITCH.
AND I CAN, ON THE END OF THAT, WHERE IT'S FATTER, PUT A TWO BY EIGHT, AND THEN THAT CAN BE LEVEL, WHICH WOULD BE ONE END OF THE SHORT PRACTICE.
COMING OUTTA THE HOUSE, THE HOUSE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SLIGHT PITCH.
AND ONE OF THOSE, UH, ONE OF THOSE, UM, STRUCTURAL MEMBERS FOR THAT WILL ALSO THEN BE THE, THE END OF THE OTHER SIDE ROOF.
SO YOU USE THAT AND SO THE PITCH OF THAT ONE WILL ESTABLISH PART OF THE PITCH.
SO, SO I'LL DO IS, SO THE ONE ON THE SIDE WILL HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PITCHES.
IT'LL BE GOING TOWARDS THE BACK, FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE OUT AS WELL AS GOING TOWARDS THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THE ONLY REASON I'M DOING IT THAT WAY IS BECAUSE THERE'S AN HVAC UNIT, A WINDOW MM-HMM
AND THAT WHERE CERTAIN ONE 20, THAT WOULD BE A BEAM START AT THE HOUSE AND COME OUT AND EXTEND OVER THE MAIN BEAM.
WHAT YOU DON'T SEE HERE IS THAT THIRD SIX BY SIX POST, WHICH MATT TOLD ME I NEEDED TO HAVE THAT 18 FOOTERS BECAUSE OF THE SPAN.
BUT, BUT JUST SO I UNDERSTAND IS FROM THE, FROM THE HOUSE WHERE IT SAYS THE 1 38, ALL OF THOSE PIECES ARE ALL SLOPED AWAY FROM THE HOUSE.
AND THEN THE ONE ON THE SIDE IS SLOPED TOWARDS THE SIDE.
THE 1 38 IS BASICALLY THE LEDGER.
STARTING AT THE CHIN ON THE RIGHT AND GOING TO THE END OF THE HOUSE.
FROM THERE, I'LL USE JOY SANDERS AND COME OUT TO THE SIXES.
TWO BY SIXES WILL THEN GO OVER THE MAIN BEAM.
THE LAST TWO BY SIX WILL BE AFTER, BUT THEN I'LL ADD TWO BY EIGHT TO THE OUTSIDE OF IT TO MAKE IT BEAM THAT WILL RECEIVE THE JOIST COMING OFF THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO I DON'T NEED MUCH OF, YEAH.
SO, AND, AND IS IS THE REST OF THE HOUSE HAVE A METAL ROOF AS WELL? IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER ROOF.
IS IS THE REST OF THAT HOUSE HAVE A METAL ROOF TOO? YES.
MATT, DO YOU HAVE A, DO YOU HAVE A STREET PICTURE JUST SO I CAN KIND OF PUT THIS IN CONTEXT AS TO WHERE IT IS? I DO NOT, I USUALLY DO, DON'T I, UM, I CAN GET ONE NOW.
SO THERE'LL BE THREE, THREE POSTS ON THE GROUND ACTUALLY.
THREE ON THE GROUND, AND THEN ONE WILL SIT ON, ON THE BRICK PATIO.
AND THAT'S REALLY JUST TO HELP OUT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAY THREE ON THE GROUND, UH, TWO FOR THE SIDE AND THEN TWO, ONE ON THE PATIO AND ONE ON THE OTHER CORNER.
THE, THE SHORT ROOF WOULD BE ONE AT EACH AGAINST THE OVER CLOSE TO YOUR HVAC UNITS OVER THERE.
SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE BACK IN 2012? YEAH, THAT'S BEFORE I BOUGHT IT.
SO WHEN YOU SAY METAL ROOF, WILL IT BE THE SAME METAL ROOF AS IS ON THE HOUSE? THE STANDING SEA? I HAVEN'T DECIDED TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
IT IS ONE SECTION'S GONNA BE 12 FEET AND THE OTHER'S ONLY GONNA BE SIX FEET BY 10 FEET.
UH, I, I THINK I'LL JUST USE WHITE OR MAYBE JUST CLEAN THEM OUT.
THEY COME WITH TWO FOOT AND THREE FOOT LIFTS.
IS THERE ANY PREFERENCE HERE? WHICH WAY I VIEW IT? UH, THE TWO FOOT PAN IS THE MAXIMUM SIZE, UM, FOR METAL ROOFING, UH, FOR THE, EACH PAN AND THEN, UH, DOING THE DOUBLE LOCK SEAMS MM-HMM
I FIGURED IT WAS TWO FOOT MM-HMM
AND THAT, THAT WHAT, HOW FAR PAST THAT BEAM CAN I EXTEND WITHOUT THE ROOF? IS THERE A SPECIFIC LIMIT ON? NO.
NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT BEAM'S GONNA BE ABOUT 10 FEET AND IT WOULD BE JUST SET BACK FROM THE, THE STEPS.
SO YOU'LL WALK UNDER THE, UNDER THE BEAM SHOULD WALK THE STEPS MM-HMM
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY WALLS OR ANY SCREENING OR ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE A STRAIGHT ROOF WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE POSTS.
IS THAT CORRECT? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY WALLS OR SCREENS ON THERE.
IT, IT IS REALLY JUST, IT IS TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE UMBRELLA.
THE UMBRELLA GOES AND THE POST WILL BE RIGHT NEXT TO
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THE STAIRS.SO IT REALLY WON'T INTERFERE WITH ANYTHING.
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW FAR I COULD STAND AND WON'T BE, BUT I CAN DO 18 FEET IF I DOUBLE TWO BY 10 AND HAVE ONE POST AT SOME POINT.
SO, UM, HE'S GOT EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
SO ANY ANY COMMENTS DOWN THIS SIDE OF THE, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, AND THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD REPRESENTATION.
WHEN HE DID THE MODEL, HE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT THE PITCH INTO, BUT YEAH.
AND THEN ONE SIDE'S GONNA BE, HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PITCHES, SO IT'D BE, YEAH.
I WAS IN NEW HAMPSHIRE YESTERDAY, AND THIS LITTLE, THIS LITTLE MODEL'S NOT THIS BIG.
WELL, MY, MY GRANDSON IS A, UH, COLLEGE ENGINEER.
HE WORKS FOR RAYTHEON IN THE SUMMER, WHICH ISN'T A BAD PART-TIME JOB.
NO, YOU'RE ALWAYS IMAGINING A 10-YEAR-OLD OR A 12-YEAR-OLD DOING THIS SOUND.
IT'S TOOK ABOUT AN HOUR ON THIS 3D PRINTER.
IT'S REALLY JUST THE, THE BEAM, THE VERTICAL BEAMS AND THE HORIZONTAL BEAMS. THERE'S, THAT'S ALL.
IS IS THERE A CEILING UNDERNEATH OR IS IT, IT WILL BE THE CEILING UNDERNEATH IT, OR IS IT JUST THE ROOF AND THE BEAM? THE CEILING.
I MEAN PULL, LOOK UP THE METAL ROOF.
THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
WELL, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME WOOD SHEATHING UNDERNEATH THERE BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOUR, YOUR METAL'S GONNA BE YEAH.
PROBABLY TOO THIN TO SPAN A WHOLE, UM, YEAH.
THE DISTANCE BETWEEN YOUR, YOUR, UH, JOISTS AND WHAT, WHAT I WAS THINKING IS WHERE THAT SAYS ONE 20 ON THERE, UM, THE METAL ROOF ON THE MAIN PART COULD EXTEND A COUPLE INCHES TO THE LEFT, AND THEN I CAN START THE SECOND ROOF KIND OF UNDERNEATH THAT MM-HMM
SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A HIT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
I, I, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE SOMETHING UNDERNEATH THE METAL? ARE YOU GONNA HAVE SHEATHING, LIKE A WOOD SHEATHING UNDERNEATH? BECAUSE OTHERWISE WITH THIS KIND OF SPIN, YOU MIGHT GET THE METAL THAT IT, THAT KIND OF, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SIT FLAT.
IT'S PRETTY, AS YOU KNOW, THE METAL ROOFING COMPANY SAID YOU DO YOUR RAFTERS TWO FOOT ON CENTER AND THEN RUN THE OTHER DIRECTION WITH ONE BY FOUR BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE TREATED AGAINST THE METAL.
SO TWO BY SIX TREATED ONE BY FOUR GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION, AND THEN THE METAL IS SCREWED TO THE BACK.
SO THERE'S REALLY NO NEED FOR A CEILING.
SO THERE WILL BE LIKE A LATTICE, LIKE, LIKE A CROSS MEMBERS FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE METAL TO SIT ON.
UM, IT'D BE ON THE WALL BY FLOOR.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THE PLAN ANYWHERE.
THAT'S, NO, IT'S, UM, I, I HAVE A MATERIAL THIS, BUT I DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE AND, AND MAY I JUST HAVE TO COME BACK ANYWAY.
I CAN PROBABLY GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER EXAMPLE.
AND, UH, THIS WILL GIVE ME ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEND YOU THE ACTUAL REQUIREMENTS FOR METAL ROOFING.
SO THAT, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE, THE TWO FOOT THAT I MENTIONED, FOR EXAMPLE, ALSO IT HAS TO BE A FLAT PAN, NO VARIATIONS OR ANY RIDGES OR, OR RIBS OR ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, SO, SO THERE ISN'T THAT MUCH.
NOW I SET UP, I'LL DO WHATEVER NEED TO AND IT'S, IT'S, TODAY COULD ACTUALLY BE A VERBAL.
SO, MATT, DO YOU THINK THIS IS COMPLETE? ARE WE, ARE WE OKAY TO GO FORWARD IN TWO WEEKS PROVIDING HE PROVIDES WHAT YOU'RE, HE'S GONNA PROVIDE AND YOU PROVIDE WHAT TO HIM, WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO FOR THE METAL ROOF? YES.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UM, I, I, I DON'T WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR THIS.
I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, THROW IN, THROW IN A PHOTO OF THE FRONT SO THAT EVERYONE HAS YEAH, I'LL DO THAT SOME CONTEXT OF WHERE IT IS.
SO TWO WEEKS, IF YOU, IF YOU COME BACK, IF YOU GET YOUR STUFF IN AND, AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT, AT WHAT, UM, AT WHAT MATT SENDS YOU REGARDING THE METAL ROOF.
AND AS LONG AS EVERYTHING'S GOOD, THEN TWO WEEKS COME BACK HERE AND, AND WE SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO.
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR COMING IN.
[3.A. 100 Skysail Blvd. – replacement soffits, ceilings, lighting in the Primary and Secondary AVCs.]
AND OUR NEXT, WHICH IS AN INFORMAL DESIGN REVIEW, UM, IS, UH, SKYS SALE A HUNDRED SKYS SALE BOULEVARD.AND THEY'VE ALREADY PROVIDED THEIR APPLICATION, UH, AND WHICH WE SEE HERE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AUGMENTED THE APPLICATION WITH SOME ILLUSTRATIONS ON IT.
SO IF YOU GUYS GET A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, SHOWING THE GRID SYSTEM AND THE TILES, IT'S BASICALLY A SUSPENDED CEILING THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT HERE IN A MINUTE.
SO THIS IS THE STREET VIEW IMAGES.
TO GIVE YOU A BROAD, UH, PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE THE PROJECT IS HAPPENING, IT'S BOTH TO THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT OF THIS CORNER.
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THE UNDERSIDE OUT EXTERIOR UNDERSIDE CEILING, LIKE THE PORCH CEILING AREA FOR THAT WHOLE AREA, UH, WITH THE LITTLE ZOOM IN THERE.BUT, UH, THIS IS A BETTER, UH, PHOTO FOR THE OVERALL, UH, BY THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN SOME MUCH BETTER PHOTOS UNDERNEATH THERE TO SEE THAT.
UH, APPARENTLY FLORENCE, UM, DID SOME DAMAGE TO ALL OF THAT CEILING WORK THERE.
AND SO IT'S BEEN GONE FOR SINCE THEN, ALL THE WAY UP TO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE, UH, BARE, UH, UNDERSIDE OF THE CONCRETE SLAB FOR THAT NEXT FLOOR.
THIS IS AT THE ENTRANCE OFF OF THE, UH, PARKING DECK RAMP.
AND AGAIN, BACKING UP A LITTLE BIT TO THE, TOWARDS THE CORNER, THEN AROUND THE CORNER, LOOKING DOWN THE, UH, MIDDLE STREET, UH, SIDE.
YES, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MIDDLE STREET.
AND THEN, UH, OH, AND THEN, UH, THEY PROVIDED THEIR DRAWINGS FOR THIS.
UM, WELL, UH, LET'S START WITH THE, I GUESS THE DETAIL IS PROBABLY BETTER.
UM, THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF, UH, REPLACING ALL THAT SUSPENDED CEILING, PLUS ADDING SOME NEW, UH, SOFFITS OR BULKHEADS, UM, THAT DROP DOWN, UH, FROM THE CEILING IN ORDER TO HELP DEFINE SOME OF THE, THE SPACES IN THE CEILING.
AND SO THIS IS A DRAWING FOR THAT.
UH, AND SO THE GRID, UH, THE, THE SQUARE GRID STUFF IS ALL THE SUSPENDED CEILING AND THE STIPPLED, UM, RECTANGLES THAT COME OFF OF THE MAJOR COLUMNS.
THOSE ARE THE BULKHEADS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO, UH, REPLACING OR, UM, UH, ADDING SOME, UH, DOWNLIGHTS IN THE SUSPENDED CEILING AS WELL.
THE HEADLIGHTS ORIGINALLY, UH, WE'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL LIGHTS 'CAUSE, AND THEN THEY ALSO PROVIDED THE, UH, ORIGINAL DRAWING.
WHOOPS, WHERE'D IT GO? OH, IT'S OVER HERE.
LET'S DO JUST ONE PAGE SOMEWHERE THAT'S YOURS.
THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL ONE FROM BEFORE.
UM, IT DIDN'T HAVE QUITE AS MANY OF THOSE BULKHEAD PIECES THAT, UM, ARE BEING PROPOSED NOW ON THIS CORNER.
IT WAS A SOLID BULKHEAD ON THE CORNER, UH, WHICH WILL NOW BE, UM, TWO THINNER ONES.
SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE.
SO IT DIDN'T QUALIFY AS AN EXACT REPLACEMENT IN KIND.
UM, PLUS I THINK THE MATERIALS WERE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
SO, UH, ANYWAY, SO THERE YOU GO.
WHAT, WHAT YEAR WAS, UH, THIS BUILDING BUILT? 2008.
THAT'S WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT.
SO, SO THE, SO THE ORIGINAL BUILDING HAD THAT SAME KIND OF SUSPENDED GRID? YES.
UM, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL MATERIAL WAS FOR TILES IN THE ORIGINAL.
UM, WHEN THEY TOOK IT DOWN, THEY DIDN'T KEEP A SAMPLE OF IT FOR US.
SO WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE PVC TILE SO THAT IT CAN BE EASILY CUT TO PUT LIGHT FIXTURES IN WITHOUT CRACKING AND ALL.
AND SO IF THEY EVER NEED TO, THEY CAN WASH IT.
WE'RE ALSO GONNA PROVIDE CLIPS SO THAT WHEN THE WIND BLOWS, IT DOESN'T BLOW THE TILES OUT.
LIKE THEY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH, UH, OUR GRID, BY THE WAY, IS GOING TO BE STAINLESS STEEL.
'CAUSE I'M TIRED OF SEEING RUST, UM, ON THE OUTSIDE BUILDINGS DUE TO LACK OF GALVANIZING OF STAINLESS, OBVIOUSLY THE MATERIALS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
UM, AND IN THE, THE EARL THE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TILES WERE BEFORE AND IT WASN'T STAINLESS.
I'M, I'M ASSUMING IT'S PAINTED STAINLESS, UH, GRID PROBABLY, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
AND THERE'S NO DAMAGE TO THE HIGHER FLOORS THAT YOU'RE FIXING? NOTHING AT THE HIGHER FLOORS THAT'S BEING REPAIRED.
UH, THEY HAD SOME WATER INTRUSION, BUT NOTHING THAT WE'RE DOING.
AS I WAS TELLING YOUR CHAIRMAN EARLIER, THEY HAVE A PROBLEM DOWN IN THEIR GARAGE WHERE THEY HAVE BIRDS TRYING TO NEST IN THE INSULATION, DROPPING INSULATION DOWN ON THE CARS.
BUT WOW, WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH THAT ON THIS PROJECT BETTER THAN CONCRETE.
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INSIDE.SO THESE PANELS, THESE THESE PVC PANELS ARE, ARE THEY WHITE? THEY'RE WHITE AND ALL THE LIGHTS ARE DOWN.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT ESCAPES THE OUTSIDE OF THE PERIMETER.
EVERYTHING IS JUST, JUST STRAIGHT DOWN LIGHTS, PAN MARKS, LEDS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? SO BECAUSE, UH, THEY HAPPEN TO MISS THE DEADLINE UHHUH, UM, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COME TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.
UM, AND IF THEY, OR YOU FEEL LIKE HE SHOULD COME BACK TO ANOTHER DESIGN REVIEW, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HE NEEDS TO CHANGE ANYTHING FROM THIS, IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.
SO I THINK I, I DON'T THINK HE NEEDS TO COME BACK, JUST COME BACK OR ANYTHING OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE TO IT IN ANY WAY.
DRAWINGS OR ILLUSTRATIONS? MAYBE A PLASTIC MODEL OR NOTHING LIKE THAT? WELL, I COULD GRAB THE MODEL THAT'S IN THE LOBBY SPACE, BUT I THINK YES.
SO HOW ABOUT WE'LL SEE YOU THAT SECOND, THIRD WEDNESDAY IN SEPTEMBER, RIGHT, RIGHT BACK HERE.
AND, AND, UM, IF, IF ANYTHING ELSE CHANGES IN THE MEANTIME, JUST LET MATT KNOW I'M READY.
[4.A. Discussion on Standards and Policies Updates]
OKAY.UM, DISCUSSION ITEMS, DISCUSSIONS ON STANDARDS AND, AND POLICY UPDATES.
AH, UM, WE WERE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A TALK TODAY ABOUT SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
AS YOU ALL RECALL, WE HAD THE PUBLIC MEETING ON JUNE 15TH.
WE HAD SOME ONLINE COMMENTS, AND OF COURSE WE'VE HAD SOME COMMENTS FROM, UM, SOME OF US AND, AND FROM, UM, FROM MATT.
AND WE WERE GONNA START LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS, HOWEVER, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY AND SOME KEY PEOPLE.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST, UM, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH IT, IS CALLING A SPECIAL MEETING SOMETIME, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF THIS MONTH WHERE THE WHOLE FOCUS IS JUST WORKING ON AND TRYING TO GET THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS SO THAT WE CAN WRITE, REVISE A DRAFT, AND KEEP THIS PROJECT MOVING, UH, FORWARD AT A, AT A REASONABLE CLIP.
DON'T WE HAVE TO BE, UH, RECORDED? YEAH.
UM, AND WE'LL, AND WE'LL WHAT THE, WE'LL, WE'LL DO SOME KIND OF A, A, A POLL TO SEE WHO ALL'S GONNA BE AROUND, SEE WHAT DAY WORKS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO DO IT SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN SIT AROUND THE TABLE.
I THINK THAT'S MUCH MORE CONDUCIVE FOR A DISCUSSION THAN THIS, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS ALL OF THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR HAVING A SPECIAL MEETING, MAKING SURE IF IT'S NEEDS TO BE RECORDED OR TELEVISED, WE CAN, WE CAN DO ALL THAT.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT CONCEPT? YEP.
[4.B. Report on discussions on the Prevention of Demolition by Neglect cases]
MATT, DO YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PREVENTION OF DEMO BY NEGLECT? SURE.SO WE'LL JUST GO SKIP THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
SO, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, THIS PAST MONTH WE DID NOT HAVE A MEETING YET.
UM, IT GOT POSTPONED TILL, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S NEXT WEEK.
SO, UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY NO NEW INFORMATION FROM THE DISCUSSION GROUP.
UM, WE DID HOWEVER, RECEIVE A, UH, NEW, UH, DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT APPLICATION FOR THE EIGHT 11 P*****K STREET PROJECT OR PROPERTY, UM, TO GET THAT ON THE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT RADAR AND ACTION LIST.
SO, UM, HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANYTHING ON THAT PROPERTY? OH, YOU MEAN FROM THE, UH, OWNER OR THE, UH, OTHER APPLICANT'S? NO, UH, NOT EVEN A PHONE CALL.
COULD YOU, UH, PUT A PICTURE UP ON THE SCREEN OF EIGHT 11 P*****K? YEAH, SURE.
AND I'VE, UH, I'VE MENTIONED, UH, THIS TO, UM, UH, PRESERVATION.
FOUNDATION AS, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US TRYING TO WORK JOINTLY TO, TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS INSTEAD OF JUST LETTING IT SIT AND THEN WE END UP LIKE THE HOUSE ON NEW STREET IS WHAT'S, AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE PRESERVATION FOUNDATION IS INTERESTED IN, IN, IN TAKING A LOOK AT? THAT'D BE AWESOME.
YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS, IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOME, GETTING A CONVERSATION AND SOME, SOME, UH, INTEREST FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER SOME OTHER OPTIONS.
I MEAN, I, I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW, UM,
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MY UNDERSTANDING AS THE WHOLE GOAL WAS THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE BAPTIST MEN'S ORGANIZATION WERE TRYING TO GET THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME NEW HOUSING.DID THEY LOSE THE FUNDING? I I HAVE NO IDEA.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I THINK THE WORK HAD TO BE DONE BY LIKE SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE, I SEEM TO RECALL IT WAS LIKE SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR TO HAVE A WORK COMPLETED.
'CAUSE DESING THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OWNER WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE SOME, UH, SOME FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO PUT INTO, UH, A NEW PROPERTY OR ELSE, OR ELSE TAKE THIS ONE AND WE CAN WORK TO, UH, TO HELP WITH MOVING THE, THE PROPERTY FORWARD.
DO YOU HAVE, UM, IS THAT ON THE PRESERVATION, UM, AGENDA YET OR ARE THAT STILL JUST DISCUSSIONS? I, I THINK IT'S JUST DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.
AND, YOU KNOW, UNTIL, BUT UNTIL THE OWNER OH, I KNOW, RESPONDS AND WE HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO DO ANYTHING.
UM, THERE WAS ACTUALLY ANOTHER ITEM, AND THAT IS AT, UH, UH, I DID SEND OUT THE OFFICIAL, UH, COMPLAINT TO THE OWNER AT, AT, UM, SORRY, THIS IS FOUR 18, I BELIEVE.
FOUR 18 CRAVEN STREET, UH, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.
UM, THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO CONTACT ME.
IT WAS, UH, A COURTESY LETTER, SO IT WAS A FRIENDLY LETTER, BUT, UH, STILL ASKING THEM TO CONTACT ME WITHIN 30 DAYS, UH, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEIR HOUSE.
UM, AND THAT WAS AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT BY SOMEONE ELSE.
UM, IS THE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE? YES, THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, UH, CONCERN? WELL, THIS, UH, IS A PHOTO FROM 2012.
AND SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW, UH, UM, ITEMS. I, I, UH, PRODUCED A, UM, OR DOCUMENT THAT, UH, LISTS AND DOCUMENTS ALL THE VARIOUS, UH, PARTICULAR FEATURES THAT ARE OF CONCERN WITH REGARD TO PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
UM, SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THAT TOO.
SO THAT'LL BE ADDED TO THE INFORMAL LIST? UH, YEAH.
WELL, WE HAVE A TRACK OR THAT WOULD BE ON THE FORM.
WE HAVE A TRACKING CHART, UH, ESSENTIALLY.
SO IT'S ON THE TRACKING CHART? YES.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DBN? UH, HOW ABOUT HAVE A 7 0 1 BROAD.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK
SO 7 0 1 BROAD, UH, I'M STILL FINISH FINISHING UP THAT PARTICULAR DOCUMENT, UH, AND, UM, WHAT I'M AT LIKE PAGE 12 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, AND SO IT, IT'S GONNA TAKE A COUPLE MORE HOURS, UH, TO GET THAT ONE DONE AND OUT.
AND I'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT SINCE JANUARY.
THAT'S, AND IT'S, IT'S ALSO ENCOURAGING TO SEE 7 0 9, THERE'S CONTRACTORS THERE EVERY DAY.
AND THEY HAVE THEIR, UM, THEIR COA FOR THEIR PORCH ON THE SIDE.
AND, UM, ON MY DESK IS THE COA FOR THE ROOFING.
UM, SO, UM, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S LISTED ON THE LIST AS, UH, TO BE ISSUED SOON.
WOULD YOU, WHEN, WHEN, UH, 7 0 1 GOES OUT, WOULD YOU LET US KNOW WHEN, WHEN THAT GOES OUT? THAT'D BE GREAT.
DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON, ON DV? NO.
[4.C. Report on discussions on Historic Dryborough Owners Support]
UM, ANYTHING ON THE HISTORIC DRIVER OF OWNERS SUPPORT PROGRAM? TIM? UH, SAME.WE, I, I THINK, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF COME TO A BIT OF A HALT WITH THIS, WITH, UH, DR. HOLMES, UH, MEDICAL SITUATION.
SO, SO ARE WE ON HIATUS OR ARE WE LIKE DONE, DONE? NO, NO.
I MEAN, WE'LL, WE'LL GET GOING AGAIN, BUT, UH, DR. HOLMES IS KIND OF LEADING, LEADING THE CHARGE HERE SINCE HE'S, YOU KNOW, HE'S WELL KNOWN IN THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK HE EXPECTS RECOVERY IN FOUR TO SIX WEEKS, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
[4.D. Report on discussions on the Historic Preservation Awards Program]
AND ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AWARDS, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE, THE AWARDS PROGRAM THAT WE APPROVED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, UM, WE HAD DESIGNED IT TO BE IN THE FALL, UM, AND IT'S GETTING DARN CLOSE TO THE FALL.SO, UM, WE'LL START PUTTING THAT WHOLE PROGRAM TOGETHER AND HOPEFULLY GET IT, UM, UM, ADVERTISED, GET WORD OUT BY THE CITY, AND
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THEN MAYBE HOPE, HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE, UH, LOCAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS CAN, UM, WORK ON GETTING THE WORD OUT AS WELL AS THE PRESERVATION FOUNDATION.WE'RE HAVING A MEETING WITH THEM TOMORROW AND TO SEE HOW THEY CAN ASSIST ON THAT PROGRAM.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A, A LOT OF APPLICATIONS AND, AND, UH, SOME AWARDS THIS YEAR.
[5.A. Reports on recent and upcoming training opportunities – 1. NAPC: Virtual Summer Short Course, Aug 20-21, on-line 2. New Bern Historical Society Lunch and Learn, Aug 27 (wait list)]
UM, MATT, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT BOARD AND STAFF TRAINING? SURE.OOPS, KEEP, UH, GOING WAY TOO FAR THERE.
THE, UH, ONE IS THE, UH, NAPC, THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF PRES, UH, PRESERVATION COMMISSION'S VIRTUAL SUMMER SHORT COURSE, UH, FROM AUGUST 20 TO 21.
AND, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE MEMBERS, YOU WOULD, UH, EITHER YOU GET A DISCOUNTED OR FREE, UH, RATE FOR, UH, THOSE ONLINE SESSIONS.
UM, ALSO THE NEW BERN HISTORICAL SOCIETY HAS THEIR LUNCH AND LEARN FOR AUGUST 27TH.
UM, IT'S CURRENTLY A WAIT LIST, UH, BUT, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE A VERY INTERESTING TOPIC, UH, HAS TO DO WITH THE, UH, SACKING OF NEW BERN BACK IN THE, UH, REVOLUTIONARY, REVOLUTIONARY TIMES.
SO PRE-REVOLUTIONARY, I GUESS.
AND, UH, THERE IS THAT THIRD ONE THAT I SENT OUT YESTERDAY REGARDING, UH, UH, THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
UM, THERE FIRST NATIONAL SUMMIT, UH, THAT THEY'RE DOING FOR A FULL DAY PLUS A DAY BEFORE AND DAY AFTER FOR, UM, AUXILIARY EVENTS.
BUT, UH, THE MAIN THING, THE MAIN EVENT IS THE ONE SINGLE DAY, AND YOU CAN ATTEND THAT ONLINE FOR FREE NOW THAT'S, UH, NOT EVEN UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
SO YOU HAVE SOME TIME TO GO SIGN UP.
AND IT, IT, I'VE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE SESSIONS AND I KNOW MIKE, YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, ARRANGING A, PERHAPS A, UH, A PUBLIC MEETING ABOUT THE TOPIC OF WHY IS HISTORIC PRESERVATION IMPORTANT, AND THAT ONE DOES THAT, THAT SUMMIT IS FOCUSED ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT, UM, WITH THAT AS, AS A INTRODUCTION, A SEGUE.
AS, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AS, AS YOU RECALL, WHEN WADE ROGERS CAME AND SPOKE WITH US A MONTH OR TWO AGO, UM, WE ASKED HIM IF HE WOULD BE WILLING TO COME BACK AND TALK TO PROPERTY OWNERS ON A NUMBER OF TOPICS.
UM, ONE BEING WHY IS PRESERVATION IMPORTANT? ANOTHER ON WHAT, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS WHO HAVE HISTORIC PROPERTIES SHOULD KNOW AND SHOULD TALK TO THEIR CONTRACTORS ABOUT.
AND THE THIRD WAS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TAX CREDITS.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT A, UM, A, AN A A DATE THAT THAT'S, UH, THAT HE HAS AVAILABLE SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT PERHAPS MAKING THIS, UM, A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS AND GET WORD OUT THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT MEANS TO TRY TO GET A FULL HOUSE THERE.
I THINK IT'S A, HE'S A VERY GOOD SPEAKER, HE'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND PASSIONATE, AND IT'D BE GREAT IF WE GET A FULL HOUSE THERE.
UM, TALKING ABOUT PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES IN OUR CITY.
[Items 6.B & 6.C]
ALL RIGHT.MATT, DO YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING ABOUT, UM, UM, OTHER PROJECTS? COAS, MINOR MAJORS? SO, UM, IT'S A LONG LIST.
SO I GENERALLY JUST HIT THE, UH, HIT THE BOLD ITEMS HERE.
SO WE HAVE, UM, FROM THE MINOR COAS, WE HAVE TWO MINOR CO OA APPLICATIONS ON THE DESK.
AND, UH, SEVEN COAS TO BE ISSUED SOON WITH 25 WAITING FOR INFO FROM APPLICANTS.
UH, SOME OF THEM WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR OVER A YEAR.
UM, SO WHO KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THEM THEN ON THE SECOND PAGE.
[7.C. VIOLATIONS OR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT CASES, INFORMAL]
UH, THE NEXT ONE IS UNDER C UNDER THE VIOLATIONS OR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT CASES.THEY'RE LISTED THERE, UH, THE ONE FOR SIX 14 NEW STREET.
UM, UH, WE WERE PROMISED TO HAVE SOME WORK STARTED SOMETIME, UH, BY JULY, UH, BEGINNING OF JULY, BUT THAT'S NOT HAPPENED YET.
UH, SO I NEED TO CONTACT HIM, UH, THE OWNER.
AND ALSO THERE ARE ABOUT EIGHT MORE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, PROPERTIES OF CONCERN AND SEVEN POTENTIAL NEW CASES.
SO, UH, THE, UH, DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, UH, DISCUSSION IS, UH, GOING OVER A LOT OF THESE, UH, CHECKING THEM OUT TO SEE IF THEY'RE WORTHY OF CONCERN, WORTHY OF CONCERN, OR OF CONCERN, MAYBE
SO, UM, IN THE PAST, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO PULL OFF A COUPLE OF ITEMS OFF THE LIST BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN, UH, REMEDIED, UH, SINCE THEY WERE PUT ON THE, NOT ON THE LIST, BUT ON THE, UH, ON THE, UM, TABLE THAT WE HAVE, THE TRACKING CHART FOR THE CASES.
[7.D. REMAINING VIOLATIONS TO BEGIN CONTACT/ENFORCEMENT]
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, THE[00:35:01]
REMAINING VIOLATIONS, UM, HASN'T REALLY CHANGED FOR A LONG TIME, AND THERE'S AT LEAST 30 MORE ENFORCEMENT CASES TO BE STARTED.[8. COMMISSION COMMENTS]
UM, ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? ANY THOUGHTS, ANY ADDITIONS? WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE, UH, OLD CITY HALL BUILDING TO 20 GRAHAM STREET? I THINK MOLLY WAS GOING TO TALK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, SHANE KNOWS JOHN FAIR OUT JUST TO SEE WHAT FAIR WENT OUT AND SEE.DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT ADDRESS IS OFF HAND? UH, NO, IT'S CRAVEN STREET.
OH, YEAH, YOU SEE, IT'S RIGHT HERE.
IS SHE GONNA TALK TO HIM JUST TO TRY TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON? IF THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, UH, MOVEMENT SOON? YEAH.
THIS WAS, THIS WAS NOT, THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T SURE.
HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT IN WHILE MM-HMM
WELL, I THINK, I THINK THERE WAS ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON HERE.
UH, YEAH, TWO, IS IT 2 24 THROUGH TWO 30 MIDDLE STREET, THE OLD, UM, HOTEL OFFICE? YES.
THAT, UH, WE WERE GONNA TRY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THAT PROPERTY HONOR AND POSSIBLY, POSSIBLY, UH, GET IN ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE NO LEAKS.
THAT WAS DONE, GOSH, PROBABLY AT LEAST 10, 15 YEARS AGO.
THAT'S THE LAST I REMEMBER OF ANYONE BEING, DOING, DOING ANY KIND OF SITE VISITS TO CEO, WHAT KIND OF SHAPE IT'S IN.
AND YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON THAT SORT OF YEAH, THAT, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT BUILDING TOO.
ANY OTHER COMMISSION? WE WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HERE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE ADJOURN? I DON'T.
I'LL BE REACHING OUT TO EVERYONE TOMORROW WITH A POLL ABOUT OUR COMMENT REVIEW MEETING.
THAT'LL BE, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
UM, ANY, I, I'D ENTERTAIN A, I GUESS WE DON'T NEED A MOTION, DO WE? SO, SO ONE THING, OH, ONE THING I WANNA PASS AROUND, AND THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A DRAFT, BUT IT HAS BEEN STRESS TESTED.
I THINK YOU'VE USED IT BEFORE.
YOU GOT YOUR, YOUR PROMOTION APPEAR READY,
SO YEAH, THIS IS JUST A, A COA MOTION.
'CAUSE I TALKED WITH A COUPLE FOLKS.
ABOUT YOU TRYING TO GET MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED, UH, WITH MAKING A MOTION.
WHO WOULD THAT BE? AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS I'VE, YOU KNOW, I'VE TRIED TO INCORPORATE THE WAY THAT WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST, AND THEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, BEING ABLE TO, BEING ABLE TO, UH, REFERENCE THE STAFF REPORT, REFERENCE, UH, STAFF REPORT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE THIRD OPTION IS, OKAY, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA DO MY OWN.
BECAUSE WE'D REALLY LIKE TO GET MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN, IN MAKING MOTIONS.
AND I THINK I WAS TALKING WITH JOHN, UH, LAST TIME AND I SAID, JOHN, JUST PICK AN EASY ONE.
AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEN YOU'LL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT MESSING IT UP.
WE ALL MESS IT UP OCCASIONALLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TRY TO GET MORE PEOPLE MAKING MOTIONS OTHER THAN TWO PEOPLE
AND, AND YOU'LL BE GLAD TO, TO ASSIST DURING THE MOTION, RIGHT? WELL, WE ALL
UM, I GUESS WE DON'T NEED A MOTION TO, FOR, FOR, 'CAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T TAKE VOTES.
ALL HAS BEEN SAID AND ALL HAS BEEN DONE.