* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] I [1. OPENING OF MEETING WITH ROLL CALL] AM GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE NEW BERN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING OF AUGUST 19TH, 2026. THE NEW BERN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S BOARD OF ALDERMAN. IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING NEW BERN'S, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, INCLUDING DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE, BASED ON THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, AS WELL AS THE US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, AND CITY ORDINANCES. UM, WHAT DO YOU SAY? WE DO A ROLL CALL ON THAT. CERTAINLY. UH, ROSS BEBE? HERE. GREGORY RUSH? HERE. ELENA HUBER? HERE. JOHN SCHAD? HERE. MICHAEL WIKA? HERE. TIM THOMPSON. HERE. JIM MORRISON? HERE. RICHARD PARSONS HERE. AND MOLLY BALES IS EXCUSED. SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. AWESOME. ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS [2. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA ] TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA? I I, FOR THOSE OF YOU NOTED, UH, THERE WAS A NUMBERING CHANGE A COUPLE DAYS AGO. YEAH. BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME INFORMATION. JUST THE NUMBERING CHANGE FROM EIGHT. SO THE C AND D YEP. THE, UM, AGENDA ON YOUR, AT YOUR PLACES IS THE UPDATED ONE. OKAY. DO WE [3. CONSENT AGENDA] HAVE ANYTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, MATT? UH, NO. SORRY. WE DO NOT. OKAY. [4.A. 205 King St. – to include a patio roof addition in the Tertiary AVC. ] SO LET'S, UH, LET'S MOVE TO THE HEARINGS ON COA APPLICATIONS. THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION HOLDS QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS ON APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS KNOWN AS COAS. THE COMMISSION HERE IS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION. THE COMMISSION'S DECISION ON APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT THE HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT'S DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS. THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINIONS THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS. LIKEWISE, COMMISSION MEMBERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINION, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, OR HEARSAY DURING THE HEARINGS. UM, I, WE DO HAVE A, A, UM, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION. SO, UM, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GONNA BE A WITNESS, SO YOU HAVE TO STAND UP AND BE SWORN IN. WOULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU WANT ME TO SIGN IN HERE? I DO WANT YOU TO SIGN IN, BUT I WANT YOU TO, I WANT YOU TO SWEAR FIRST, CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? ? OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY? I'M GONNA DO THAT NOW. YOU CAN SIGN YOUR NAME. OH, OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. AND HERE'S THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE FOLLOWING FOR THE HEARING ON THE COA APPLICATION. JUST GO AHEAD. YEAH, JUST, IT'LL JUST TAKE ME A SECOND. YEAH. I HAVE TO READ THROUGH THE PROCESS FIRST, WHICH IS ABOUT 35 MINUTES. . THE HP SC ADMINISTRATOR WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT, OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE PRESENTS THE APPLICATION AND ANSWERS ANY CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS ASKED BY THE COMMISSIONERS. THOSE WHO RECEIVE NOTICE MAY PRESENT EVIDENCE EITHER AS A PROPONENT OR OPPONENT, ANYONE ELSE WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE PROPOSED PROJECT CAN PRESENT IN FOR EVIDENCE. THE APPLICANT WILL THEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL OF TESTIMONY. GIVEN THE HP ADMINISTRATOR WILL PRESENT ANY POT POTENTIAL ISSUES AND PROVIDE ANY CLARIFICATIONS OF STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE WILL THEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ANY FINAL COMMENT ON THE APPLICATION. THE COMMISSIONERS WILL DISCUSS THE EVIDENCE AND MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR THE PRESENTERS. THE CHAIRMAN WILL CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION WITH STATED FINDINGS OF FACT. THE MOTION WILL BE DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSIONERS AS APPROPRIATE, AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL VOTE ON THE MOTION FOLLOWING AN APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION. THE CHAIR MAY CALL FOR A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA AND THE COMMISSION WILL VOTE ON THAT MOTION. I KNOW IT'S A LARGE CROWD HERE. I, I HOPE YOU HOPE YOU GOT ALL THAT. SO WITH THAT, LET'S GO TO OUR, OUR, OUR SOLE HEARING TONIGHT, MATT. SO I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND LEAD IT OFF HERE. SO, UH, THE PROJECT TONIGHT IS FOR 2 0 5 KING STREET TO INCLUDE A PATIO ROOF ADDITION IN THE TERTIARY A VC. AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICATION TO BE DETERMINED TO BE COMPLETE. UH, THE OWNER IS TO BE PRESENT, AND HE IS, [00:05:01] UH, THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY, AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY. SO, THE OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION IS THE APPLICANT IS, UH, MR. RANDALL AND MS. JOANNE STRAIT, AND THEY ARE THE OWNERS. UH, WE HAVE THE LOCATION ALREADY IDENTIFIED AND THE BUILDING, UH, THE HOUSE ITSELF IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE BUILT IN 1903. UH, THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION DESCRIBES, UH, THE HOUSE AS TWO STORIES, THREE BAYS WIDE, ONE STORY PORCH WITH SA BRACKETS, GABLE FRONT ROOF AND INTERIOR CHIMNEY. UM, THE SAND BECK DESCRIPTION. UH, THE ONLY RELEVANT INFORMATION THERE IS FRONT PORCHES WITH TURN POSTS AND SAWN WORK BRACKETS. UH, AND THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. SO, UH, TO GIVE US SOME BACKGROUND, THIS, THESE ARE SOME AERIALS OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL. SO YOU CAN SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S IN, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW TIGHTLY COMPACTED MANY OF THESE HOUSES ARE. AND THEIR PROPERTIES ARE QUITE, UH, NARROW, UH, INCLUDING THIS ONE. AND SO, AND IN THE UPPER IMAGE, THE STREET ACROSS THE TOP IS KING STREET, WHICH IS THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN, UH, ACROSS THE RIGHT IS THE NEARBY EAST FRONT STREET. UM, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON ASKED ME TO BE SURE TO PROVIDE AN IMAGE OF THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE, UM, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE. I WENT OUT AND TOOK THAT PHOTOGRAPH JUST LAST WEEK. UH, AND THE PROJECT AREA IS LOCATED AROUND THE REAR OF THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS THEN IN THIS CLOSER UP VIEW OF THE SIDE, UM, AROUND THAT CORNER BACK THERE. THEN, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDED THESE PHOTOGRAPHS. UH, THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD OVERVIEW OF THE ENTIRE, UH, PATIO AREA AND THE ENTIRE AREA, WHICH WILL BE COVERED BY THE, UM, UH, PATIO ROOF. UM, FROM A SLIGHTLY OBLIQUE ANGLE HERE, YOU SEE, UH, SLIGHT SOME MORE DETAIL, SUCH AS THE FACT THAT THE CHIMNEY IN THE BACKGROUND THERE IS ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING. UH, AND THE ROOF DOES NOT COVER THE AREA WHERE THE MECHANICAL UNIT IS ON THE LEFT. UM, IT JUST EXTENDS STRAIGHT ACROSS OVER THE AREA WHERE THIS UMBRELLA IS. SO THIS IS THE, UH, PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED FOR THE STRUCTURE, UH, GIVING US DIMENSIONS AND, UH, KINDA STRUCTURAL MEMBERS FOR THIS. UH, THE HOUSE, UH, IS SHOWN IN YELLOW THERE. THE, UH, LIKE A, UH, FOOTPRINT OF IT AND THE MECHANICAL UNIT IS ESSENTIALLY WHERE THAT GREEN, UH, RECTANGLE IS. UM, UH, HE ALSO MANAGED TO PROVIDE A, UH, THREE DIMENSIONAL PHOTO OF A THREE DIMENSIONAL MODEL OF, UH, THE PROPOSAL, UH, THIS ONE HERE. AND AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE THE FULL PACKET, UH, FOR THE PROJECT TO BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD. UM, THIS PACKET INCLUDES THE APPLICATION INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, EVEN MORE THAN WHAT WE SHOW, UH, WHAT I JUST SHOWED, THE COMPLETED ZONING AND INSPECTIONS FORM AND THE STAFF REPORT. UM, ALL OF THOSE TO BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD. UM, AT THIS POINT, WE TYPICALLY HAVE BEEN GOING TO THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THEIR DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT, BUT WE ALWAYS GOT SIDETRACKED WITH ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS FOR THEM, UH, BEFORE WE COULD ACTUALLY POINT OUT WHAT ISSUES WE HAD. SO WE DECIDED WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE ISSUES AT THIS POINT. OKAY. UH, AND THEN WHEN THEY COME UP AFTER THAT, THEY CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, UH, AND YOU GUYS CAN THEN QUESTION AWAY AS YOU WISH. THAT SOUND REMARKABLY LOGICAL. THANK YOU. UH, SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, THE POST APPEAR TO BE PROPOSED TO BE LEFT WITH EXPOSED GALVANIZED METAL POST AND BEAM CONNECTORS MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE, THAT YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT THAT, UH, WHEN HE COMES UP. UM, AND I HAVE QUOTED HERE THE, UM, GUIDELINE OR THE STANDARD, UH, THAT, UH, WOULD BE REFERENCED, UH, FOR IMPROVING THAT SITUATION. SO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, HERE SHOWS THE PROPOSED ON THE LEFT, AND THIS IS THEN ONLY ON THE FRONT PORCH, UH, OF THAT HOUSE. BUT, UH, AND THE, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BACK, THE TERTIARY, WHICH TYPICALLY IS A MORE SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF THE FRONT, AND THAT STANDARD RECOGNIZE THAT IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. BUT ONE THING I THOUGHT THAT WOULD MAKE SOME SENSE IS TO, IN THE LOWER RIGHT PHOTOGRAPH, YOU SEE HOW THE, UM, COLUMN IS ACTUALLY WIDER OR [00:10:01] FATTER, YOU COULD JUST SAY, UH, THAN THE REST OF THE COLUMN. AND SO MAYBE IT WOULD BE A WAY FOR THE APPLICANT TO COVER UP THE METAL, UH, AND MAKE IT MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF, SIMILAR TO THE, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE REST OF THE HOUSE. UM, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THE BEAM ITSELF OVER TOP, THE POSTS OUT FRONT, UM, ARE ALSO WIDER THAN THE POST. SO IT'S POSSIBLE, I THINK THAT, UM, THEY COULD ESSENTIALLY PUT A TRIM, TRIM BOARD ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BEAM AND THEN A THINNER PIECE OF TRIM BOARD, UM, AROUND THE TOPS OF THE POSTS. AND ALSO, UM, WE CAN POINT OUT THE SAME THING HAPPENS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE POST AS WELL. SO MAYBE THE, THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM OF THE POST WOULD HAVE, UM, A BIT MORE DECORATIVE, DECORATIVE, WELL, UM, A LITTLE MORE, UH, UM, EMBELLISHED TREATMENT, UM, TO COINCIDE WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE. SO SECOND ITEM IS THE METAL ROOFING HAS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NOT MENTIONED IN THE APPLICATION, SUCH AS OUR TYPICAL STANDING SEAM REQUIREMENTS. UM, THAT THE PANS ARE NO GREATER THAN 24 INCHES. THOSE SHOULD BE COMPLETELY FLAT WITHOUT CORRUGATION. AND TO PROVIDE DOUBLE LOCK SEAMS WITH FLUSH RIDGE WELL AND HIP FLASHINGS ON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. SO DOUBLE LOCK SEAMS SINCE THERE IS NO HIP OR RIDGE FLASHING ON THIS. UM, AND SO THAT'S NUMBER TWO. UM, THEY COULD, UH, SIMPLY RESOLVE THAT WITH, UH, AGREEING TO ADD THAT TO THE DRAWINGS AND SUBMIT THAT, UM, UM, TO STAFF. UH, THE THIRD ONE AND LAST ONE IS, UH, THE WOOD IS REQUIRED TO BE EITHER OPAQUE STAINED OR PRIMED AND PAINTED. UH, ALSO NOT INCLUDED YET ON THE APPLICATION. AND THOSE ARE THE TWO PO OPTIONS. UH, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY, UM, TWO STANDARDS THAT ARE, ONE IS THE OPTION OF FOR THE OTHER. UM, AND SO THAT COULD ALSO BE ADDED, LIKE I SAID, AS A NOTE TO THE DRAWINGS OR TO THE, UH, OR EVEN AS AN EMAIL, UM, TO STAFF AFTERWARDS. UM, SO THAT'S NOW I GUESS THE POINT AT WHICH THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE AN I'D, LIKE, BY THE WAY, THE CONCEPT OF HAVING THE, UM, THE ISSUES, ANY, ANY POSSIBLE, UM, ISSUES BROUGHT UP NOW BEFORE THEY COME UP. I THINK THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. I LIKE THAT. OKAY. OKAY. MR. STRAI, WHEN YOU WANT TO COME UP AND DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT JUST OVERALL ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROJECT? AND THEN THERE, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT. AND ONE, THE ONLY THING I WOULD COMMENT ON IS THAT ALL OF THE FRAMING IS PRESSURE TREATED SO THAT IF YOU WANT TO PAINT IT, WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT TO DRY OUT. MM-HMM . UH, I HADN'T PLANNED ON IT, BUT I DON'T CARE. IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT BIG AN ISSUE. SO THIS IS A BACK PORCH ACTUALLY. YEAH. UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, UH, UH, OPTION FOR, UH, OPAQUE STAIN ACTUALLY ALLOWS YOU TO FINISH THE WOOD BEFORE IT'S ALL DRIED OUT. MM-HMM . IT, IT'S MADE APPROPRIATE FOR PRESSURE TREAT. AND THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD, AND MATT ANSWERED IT, IS THE METAL ROOFING. YES. 'CAUSE WHEN I WAS HERE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UH, HE HAD SAID THAT THERE ARE STANDARDS AND, AND YOU'VE EXPLAINED IT. YEAH. AND, AND THAT'S FINE. OKAY. I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OTHER, CAN. CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COLUMNS THAT, THAT YOU HAD PROPOSED FOR THAT? UM, IF YOU, IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT. YEP. NOW, IT, IT TURNS OUT, AND I'VE CHECKED THIS WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, UHHUH , I NEED TO HAVE THREE SIX BY SIX POSTS, AND THAT'LL BE THE LENGTH, THE LONGEST POINT IS 18 FEET, SO WITH THREE SIX BY SIXES AND A DOUBLE TWO BY 10 BEAM, UH, THAT MET THE CODE. MM-HMM . UH, AND THEN THERE'LL BE ONE OTHER POST, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT. THE ONE YEAH. WHERE IT GOES AROUND THE CORNER. UM, BACK, BACK . CAN YOU, CAN YOU BACK UP THERE? THE ONE ONE AT THE TOP? OR DO YOU MEAN THE MALL? NO, NO, NO. CAN, CAN YOU GO BACK ON THE SLIDES? THERE YOU GO. THAT ONE. OKAY. RIGHT HERE ON, ON THE LEFT, THE, THE ONE FURTHEST BACK, UM, I HAVE TO PUT THAT POST INTO, SO THERE'S THREE THIS WAY AND THEN ONE IN THE CORNER MM-HMM . AND THAT IS TO RECEIVE THE RAFTERS THAT COME OFF THE OTHER DIRECTION. SO, SO, AND I THINK YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT MATT ASKED, WHICH WAS ABOUT THE, UM, THOSE, UM, ABOUT THE COLUMNS. SO YOU, YOU, YOU'RE PROPOSING A JUST A SIX BY SIX, UH, PRESSURE TREATED COLUMN THERE. MM-HMM . AND, AND THE, THE STANDARD THAT TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE IT EMULATE WHAT'S ON THE, THE, THE PRIMARY A, B, C. HAVE YOU [00:15:01] THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING TO HAVE SOME KIND OF DETAIL ON THOSE COLUMNS THAT MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE FRONT PORCH? UM, I, I COULD, BUT PRESSURE TREATED SIX BY SIXES ARE, ARE WHAT YOU NEED TO HOLD. SURE. STRUCTURALLY. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM PUTTING A LITTLE DETAIL OUT ON IT. AFTERWARDS. I WOULD WAIT TILL WE PAINT IT AND THEN ADD THAT AT THE SAME TIME. AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, HE'S GOT THESE, THE, THESE, UM, CORBELS IN THERE. AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THAT. BUT YOU SEE HOW THE, THE COLUMN HAS KIND OF A, A, SOME CHARACTER TO IT, HOW IT'S WIDER AT THE TOP, AND THEN IT, IT, AS OPPOSED TO JUST A STRAIGHT SIX BY SIX POST. I, I CAN DO THAT. AND, AND THE OTHER THING THAT HE BROUGHT UP WAS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO TWO BY DOUBLE TWO, TWO BY 10 FOR, FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR BEAM. THE MAIN MAIN BEAM IS A DOUBLE TWO BY 10 UHHUH, TWO BY SIX RAPTORS, GO OVER THAT UHHUH. AND THEN ON THAT PART SIDE, THE LAST OF THE TWO BY SIXES, I'M ACTUALLY PUTTING A TWO BY EIGHT. AND THEN JOYCE TANKERS WILL HOLD THE TWO BY SIX AS GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE, MATT. UM, OOPS. YEAH. THE ONE THAT I DID, WELL, THAT, THAT ONE, THAT'S ONE I LIKE. YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS 120 INCHES, THAT'S ACTUALLY A TWO BY SIX PLUS A TWO BY EIGHT. TWO BY EIGHT IS GONNA BE WHAT HOLDS THE RAFTERS ON, ON THAT SIDE. MM-HMM . AND THEN I'LL GO OVER THE SECTION THAT SAYS, UH, 12 INCH, 54 INCH, THAT ONE COMING DOWN. THAT'S ANOTHER BEAM BASICALLY FOR THE TWO BY SIX TO GO OVER IT. SO I, I, I THINK THE POINT IS THAT THIS LOOKS VERY UTILITARIAN. YOU KNOW, IT'S SIX BY SIX, IT'S TWO, TWO BY TENS. AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE TERTIARY, I THINK THE, THE STANDARDS WOULD SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE TO EMULATE WHAT'S ON THE FRONT PORCH AS OPPOSED, 'CAUSE THOSE SIX BY SIX, YOU HAVE A, A DOUBLE TWO BY 10, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, WHAT ABOUT, UH, THREE INCHES WIDE MM-HMM . AND YOU'RE, IT'LL BE SITTING ON SIX BY SIX POSTS. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A FAIR AMOUNT OF GAP EACH SIDE. IT, IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO COVER THAT, FIND WORDS AND DATA. I, I, I, I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. YES. I, I TRIED TO DO STRUCTURALLY WHAT I NEEDED TO DO. YEAH. STRUCTURALLY, I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S QUESTIONING THAT. AND, AND I, AND CERTAINLY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR MIGHT, BUT CERTAINLY THAT'S NOT US. AND WHAT YOU SEE UNDERNEATH THIS IS OUR BEDROOM. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A NINE FOOT PATIO DOOR AND THE DOOR SURE. INTO THIS. IT'S ESSENTIALLY A REPLACE THE UMBRELLA. YEAH. AND WE'RE JUST HOPING THAT, THAT, UM, AS YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT PORCH, WHICH IS, WHICH IS GORGEOUS, THAT MAYBE THE BACK PORCH STRUCTURE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE STYLE ELEGANCE THAN, THAN JUST, UH, PRESSURE TREATED SIX BY SIX POSTS AND SOME TWO BY TENS. THE FUNNY THING IS ABOUT A TRUNK PORCH IS THAT I HAVE ONE BY FOUR WHITE OAK AS THE FLOOR SQUARE EDGE, AND I SCREWED IN FROM UNDERNEATH. WOW. AND THAT'S THE FINISHED FLOOR. THIS PATIO HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. YEAH. YEAH. AND WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING YOU PUT A FLOOR ON ANYTHING. IT JUST, BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING JUST THE, JUST A, A PAINTED TWO BY FOUR OR TWO BY 10 SISTER TOGETHER, OR A SIX BY SIX COLUMN, UM, I THINK WHAT, WHAT THE STANDARDS WOULD SUGGEST IS TO DO SOMETHING THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE EMULATES WHAT'S OF ON THE FRONT PORCH. YEAH. JUST IF YOU WANT TO QUOTE YES, GO AHEAD. SO INCORPORATE MATERIALS AND DETAILS DERIVED FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, EXTEND THE ARCHITECTURAL HIERARCHY OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO THE ADDITION. ARCHITECTURAL EMBELLISHMENTS AND DETAILING ARE OFTEN SIMPLIFIED ON LESS VISIBLE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY A, B, C ELEVATIONS. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MATCH, BUT JUST SOMETHING MORE IN CHARACTER WITH WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE FRONT. YEAH. YOU'VE GOT A GORGEOUS HOUSE. YEAH. AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE ALL OF THAT IS DETAILED WORK. IT IS. CAN BE DONE AFTER IT'S BUILT REALLY WELL. JUST, IT'S GOOD THAT WE DO NEED TO KNOW YEAH, EXACTLY. BEFORE WE CAN APPROVE, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT. AND SO I I I WILL DO THAT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, SO NOTED. AND THEN YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT NOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE, THE ROOFING, YOU'RE ALL SQUARE WITH THAT THE, THE THE METAL ROOFING YOU'RE GONNA DO? YES. YEAH. OKAY. I, I'VE LOOKED AROUND TOWN AND THERE'RE LOTS OF TYPES OF METAL ROOFING. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS REQUIRED. OKAY. AND WHAT'S REQUIRED IS ACTUALLY THE NICER LOOKING METAL ROOF ANYWAY. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S, AND THERE'S ONLY, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE THINK. 12 BY 12 AND SIX BY 10. YEAH. THE, THE KEY IS THAT THE PANELS CAN'T BE MORE THAN 26 INCHES. 4 24 INCHES. MM-HMM . HAS TO BE SMOOTH AND NO, NO RIDGE CAPS. IT'S [00:20:01] A STANDING SCENE. SO, SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU TO SAY, AND JUST SO EVERYBODY'S SQUARE, IS THAT BASED ON TONIGHT, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UH, INFORMATION, YOUR TESTIMONY IS THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THE STAND, IT HAS TO BE A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF WITH NO MORE THAN 24 INCH PAN. AND YOU'RE AGREEING TO DO THAT AND FLAT, WHAT'S THAT? FLAT PAN. FLAT PAN. UM, AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE AGREED THAT EVEN WITH PRESSURE TREATED THAT IT'LL BE PAINTED OR OPAQUE STAINED AND, AND YOU WANT THE METAL JOIST HANGERS COVERED WAS THE OTHER. YES. AND, AND THEN WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO EMULATE SOME OF THE DETAIL FROM THE FRONT PORCH, IF YOU CAN MOVE SOME OF THAT BACK, SOME OF THE TRIM, SOME OF THE DETAIL, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MATCH, BUT SOMETHING THAT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE CHARACTER THAN, AND KIND OF HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A, OF A, A HINT OF THE FRONT AS OPPOSED TO JUST STRAIGHT SIX BY SIX, TWO BY TENS. ALRIGHT. . ALL RIGHT. YEAH, I, I, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY OF OTHER QUESTIONS? I WANNA SAY COMMISSIONERS. ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. STRAI? UH, THIS IS, THIS IS FAIRLY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD. YEAH. YEAH. JUST, IT'S JUST A QUESTION FOR MR. SHELLEY. THERE'S A REFERENCE TO CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS. OH, NO. THAT ON HERE? YEAH. THAT'S BEEN REMOVED FROM THE STAFF REPORT. OKAY. WELL, WE DON'T SEE THAT, UH, THE ONE ON DROPBOX. UH, I THINK I MAY HAVE SENT IT TO YOU GUYS, MAYBE NOT. OKAY. THE ONE ON DROPBOX STILL HAS IT. OH, OKAY. SORRY. YES. OKAY. YOU'RE PLANTING WOOD AND METAL PRETTY MUCH. MM-HMM . OKAY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I WOULD, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION, THEN I'M BACK. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE. WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR, UH, 2 0 5 KING STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BURN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTION 15 4 11 4 29, AND NEW BURN'S, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC STANDING STANDARDS AND FINDINGS OF FACT, I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THE LIST OF APPLICABLE STANDARDS AS DOCUMENTED IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ANY REFERENCE TO CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, FINDINGS OF FACT. I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THE FINDINGS OF FACT AS DOCUMENTED IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. I WILL ASK HERE, BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAD NON-CON CONTEMP, YOU HAD NOT CONTRIBUTING THERE. HAVE YOU CHANGED? YEAH, THAT ALL GOT FIXED YESTERDAY. OKAY. SO MAYBE YOU LOOKED AT IT THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY. SO IT IS A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY. SO, UH, BUT IT'S YES, THAT THE FINDINGS OF FACT IS DOCUMENTED IN STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS WOULD SIMPLY BE CHANGES ALREADY AGREED TO REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION ACCORDING TO CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL BY STAFF OR THE HPC ACCORDING TO THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS PRIOR TO THEIR CONSTRUCTION OR INSTALLATION, OR PRIOR TO THE FILE INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTION DIVISION, WHICHEVER OCCURS FIRST. AND NUMBER TWO, CHANGES AFTER THE COA IS ISSUED CHANGES TO SHOULD BE APPROVED FOR CHANGES TO THE APPROVED DESIGNS. MATERIALS AND DETAILS DURING THE CONSTRUCTION SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HBC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS PRIOR TO THEIR CONSTRUCTION OR INSTALLATION, OR PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION. WHICHEVER OCCURS FIRST, SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSIONERS? NO. ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. COULD I GET A MOTION FOR A COA? SO, MOVE SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. SO, MR. AFRAID, I THINK WHAT YOU HEARD WAS THIS IS ALL GONNA, THIS IS ALL APPROVED, BUT BEFORE YOU START, IF YOU CAN LET MATT KNOW THAT YES, YOU'RE GONNA PAINT THAT YES, YOU WILL HAVE THE ROOFING THAT MATCHES AND, AND YES, YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING SOME OF THOSE TRIM THINGS TO EM, EMILY, AND WHAT THOSE ARE. OKAY. IF YOU CAN LET HIM KNOW BEFORE YOU START, OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. SURE. AND I NEED, I NEED MY SON UP HERE TO HELP , BUT YOU, YOU, YOU WERE GREAT. THANKS VERY MUCH FOR COMING TODAY. THANK YOU FOLKS. OKAY. WE HAVE NO MORE HEARINGS TONIGHT. WE DO [5.A. Information on Historic District Design Principles and Standards Update ] HAVE, UM, SOME OLD BUSINESS TO GO OVER. WE HAVE A, UH, A, A MEETING NEXT [00:25:01] WEEK, A SPECIAL MEETING THAT WAS CALLED. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THOSE, THOSE OF YOU WHO FILLED OUT THE FORM WITH YOUR AVAILABILITIES, WE TRIED TO FIND A TIME THAT THE MOST NUMBER OF PEOPLE COULD, COULD ATTEND. AND THAT IS NEXT WEDNESDAY, THE 26TH AT THREE O'CLOCK AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CONFERENCE ROOM. AND THE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT THAT MEETING IS WE ARE GOING TO GO OVER THE HANDOUTS THAT WERE PROVIDED AT THE LAST MEETING, AND ANYBODY NEEDS ANOTHER COPY, LET ME KNOW AND OR MATT KNOW, AND WE CAN MAKE SURE YOU HAVE IT BEFORE THE MEETING. AND WHAT THOSE ARE, ARE THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED, UM, BY THE PEOPLE AT THE PUBLIC MEETING, BY PEOPLE ONLINE, AND SOME OF THE THOUGHTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND, AND BY AND BY MATT. AND SO WE'RE JUST GONNA GO OVER THOSE AND SEE IF WE CAN CLEAR OUT THAT LIST AND REVISE THE DRAFT AS APPROPRIATE, AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE. UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS ON THAT? AWESOME. UM, [5.B. Historic Preservation Award Program Update] THE NEXT ONE IS THE, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AWARDS PROGRAM UPDATE. AS WE, AS YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WE APPROVED THAT AWARDS PROGRAM, AND LAST WEEK, UM, MATT AND I MET WITH THE CITY WITH, WITH, UH, COLLEEN ROBERTS, WITH THE CITY TO START THIS PROCESS OFF. UM, SHE IS GOING TO BE TAKING OUR, UH, APPLICATION OR PROGRAM INFORMATION, FILLING OUT THAT APPLICATION AND PUTTING THAT ALL ONLINE. AND I UNDERSTAND SHE WAS, SHE'S CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT. ONCE SHE DOES THAT, THERE'LL BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT IN THE WATCHTOWER. THERE'LL BE A SOCIAL MEDIA POST, AND THE INFORMATION'S GONNA BE DISTRIBUTED BY HYDRA, THE PRESERVATION FOUNDATION, RIVERSIDE, AND, AND MAYBE THE AGAINST NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. THE WAY WE HAVE IT PLANNED, IF IT ALL GOES OUT, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO HAVE OCTOBER 1ST BE THE DEADLINE FOR NOMINATIONS. AND THEN, UM, AFTER OCTOBER 1ST, WE CAN THEN EVALUATE ALL OF THE APPLICATION AND HOPEFULLY AT THE, AT DESIGN REVIEW, TALK ABOUT IT. AND IF EVERYTHING WORKS OUT, MAYBE, UH, BE ABLE TO MAKE THE AWARDS THAT OUR MEETING IN MID-OCTOBER. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY AGGRESSIVE. UM, I'M GUESSING THAT MIGHT FALL TO NOVEMBER WITH EVERYTHING. AND THAT'S ALL. IF EVERYTHING GETS ONLINE AND WE GET THE INFORMATION OUT, THIS BEING THE FIRST YEAR, I'D LIKE TO REALLY GET THE WORD OUT AS BEST WE CAN. ANY THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? MR. SHELLEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? UM, I DO NOT. I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT LATER. I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT AS WELL. I'LL HOLD OFF. UM, THE PUBLIC IS, IS WE WELCOME TO, UH, TO SPEAK, BUT I DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE CLAMORING TO GET UP HERE, . UM, SO [8. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT ] LET'S TALK, UH, ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT. OKAY. UM, YOU CAN SEE FIRST THE, UH, WE HAD NO COAS DENIED IN THE PAST MONTH. UH, WE HAD THREE, UM, MAJOR COAS EXTENSIONS, AMENDMENTS, AND CONDITION APPROVALS ISSUED. WE HAD THREE MINOR COAS ISSUED. AND ACTUALLY, UM, SINCE THIS WAS, SINCE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED, UH, FIRST PUBLISHED, UM, IT'S ABOUT FOUR MORE. UM, AND SO THERE'S ABOUT FOUR MORE ISSUED, OR FOUR, FOUR MORE ISSUED FOR A TOTAL OF SEVEN. UH, BUT THE, UH, SIX, UH, SO THAT REDUCES THE SIX. BUT THE, I NOW HAVE TWO MORE TO, UH, IN THE PAST TWO DAYS AND, UH, SOON TO BE ANOTHER ONE. SO WE'RE ABOUT BACK UP TO ABOUT SIX AGAIN, 4, 4, 5, 6, UM, TO BE ISSUED SOON. WE HAVE 27 WAITING FOR INFO FROM THE APPLICANTS. UM, ON, UH, OTHER ITEMS, UH, ARE PEOPLE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT GETTING YOU INFORMATION AS AS REQUIRED? DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT. YEAH. SO TYPICALLY ABOUT EVERY MONTH ABOUT TWO OF THOSE GET TAKEN CARE OF, BUT THEN TWO MORE LAND ON THE PILE AGAIN. SO, UM, OKAY. SEEMS TO BE, UH, MAYBE A STEADY 25 THAT JUST HAVE BEEN HANGING AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, OR AT LEAST 20. UM, SO ALRIGHT. THEN, UM, D VIOLATIONS OF PREVENTION DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT CASES RESOLVED. WE HAD NONE THIS MONTH AND, UH, STILL, I'M NOT SURE, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING YET, BUT THE, UH, WE STILL HAVE ONE HPC MEMBER WHO STILL NEEDS THEIR, UM, THEIR TERM TO BE, UH, RENEWED. UH, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION OR A RESULT COMING UP AT THE NEXT ALDERMAN MEETING. YES, I, I TALKED TO, AGAIN, YOU WANNA PUT THE MICROPHONE? I REACHED BACK OUT TO HER AGAIN AND SHE SAID DEFINITELY SHE [00:30:01] TOOK CARE OF IT. OKAY. . GOOD. ALRIGHT. UH, AND THEN MY ANNOUNCEMENT IS THAT, UM, WE JUST FOUND OUT YESTERDAY THAT THE CLG GRANT APPLICATION WAS APPROVED. OH, COOL. THAT IS THE APPLICATION TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO UPDATE THE NATIONAL REGISTER DOCUMENTATION FOR THE RIVERSIDE NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THEN ALSO SUBMITTAL OF THAT TO THE, UH, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE FOR APPROVAL. AND THAT WILL UPDATE A 1988 DOCUMENT, UH, WHICH ITSELF IS ALMOST QUALIFIES AS A HISTORIC PROPERTY AT THIS POINT. UM, BUT, UH, SO THAT, UH, SHOULD ALSO BENEFIT, UM, QUITE A FEW, UH, PROPERTIES THAT OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH. UM, FIRST OF ALL, MAYBE NOT REALIZE THAT THEY MIGHT BE, UH, UM, QUALIFIED TO APPLY FOR TAX CREDITS, BUT ALSO, UH, IT WILL, UH, MAYBE IDENTIFY SOME THAT OH, AND ALSO WOULD AVOID THE PROCESS OF BRINGING IT TO THE HPC IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THAT. UM, UH, SO, UM, I THINK, UH, THIS SHOULD END UP WITH, UH, UH, POSITIVE NET OUTCOME FOR EVERYBODY. THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD NEWS. WHEN DO WE THINK THAT I, I KNOW YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, AND FIND A CONSULTANT AND THINGS. DO YOU HAVE A TIMETABLE KIND OF OUTLINE ABOUT WHEN THAT MIGHT HAPPEN? SO WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE IT DONE BY THE END OF FEBRUARY OF 2028. SO THAT'S A YEAR AND A HALF. UH, AND, UM, UH, WE, THE FIRST STEPS ARE TO SIGN A CONTRACT WITH THE SHIPPO, UM, TO, UM, WORK WITH THEM ON PRO PRODUCING THE, UH, UH, FIRST OF ALL THE, UM, RFP, UH, TO ADVERTISE FOR CONSULTANTS. AND THEN SECONDLY TO, FOR THEM TO PROVIDE A, UH, DRAFT CONTRACT FOR THE CONSULTANTS. UM, BOTH OF THOSE, UH, THAT WHOLE PROCESS, UH, WORKING WITH THEM, UM, HAS TO DO WITH ENSURING, FIRST OF ALL, ENSURING THAT WE, UM, UH, USE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE APPROVED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. UH, AND SECOND IS TO ALSO AVOID THE PROBLEMS THAT MIGHT ARISE FROM NOT HAVING A DOCUMENT THAT IS NOT, UM, UH, UH, APPROVED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND OR, UH, A PRODUCT THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROVED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 'CAUSE OF THAT. SO ALL OF THAT IS TO AVOID ALL OF THAT. SO, SO, SO GOING THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS AND SELECTION AND CONTRACTS, UM, DO YOU THINK THAT'S A SIX, EIGHT MONTH PROCESS? LESS, MORE? UH, SO, UM, WE CAN START, UH, WITH THAT, UH, EMAILS BACK AND FORTH TO GET THINGS ROLLING AT ANY TIME NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, IN FACT. UM, AND WE CAN EVEN DO, UH, THE FIRST TWO THINGS SIMULTANEOUSLY. UM, SO IT'S GOING TO BE A MATTER OF, UH, HOW LONG SHOULD WE ALLOW FOR THE TIME FOR POTENTIAL CONSULTANTS TO PUT TOGETHER THEIR PROPOSALS TO SUBMIT THEM, TO REVIEW THEM. THEY WILL ALSO HELP US REVIEW THEM. UM, THEY WILL CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, UM, FEDERALLY APPROVED. UM, CONSULTANTS, YOU STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE INVITATION PROCESS AND, AND DEVELOP WHAT THE SCOPE IS. THAT'S RIGHT. AND ALL THAT'S YES. AND THEY, THEY WILL HELP US. THEY HAVE SOME TEMPLATES FOR THE SCOPE AND SUCH. SO, UM, UM, I THINK IT'S TWO OR THREE MONTHS PROBABLY TO GET THROUGH TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE, UM, EVALUATING THE CONSULTANTS, UH, AND THEN, UH, MAYBE A MONTH OR SO TILL WE CAN, UM, FIRST OF ALL DECIDE AND THEN MAYBE MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE STILL AVAILABLE, WILLING AND ABLE AND MAYBE HAVE TO PICK A SECOND ONE OR WHATEVER. SO, SO, SO WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, EARLY SPRING OF 2027, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE CONSULTANT ONBOARD AND THAT GIVES ALMOST A YEAR BEFORE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE GRANT MONEY SPENT. SO THAT SHOULD BE PLENTY OF TIME. MM-HMM . I'D SAY TURN OF TURN, YOU KNOW, JANUARY RATHER THAN, I THINK THAT'S OPTIMISTIC, BUT OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S MORE LIKE FOUR MONTHS OKAY. FROM NOW. AND, UM, UH, HOWEVER, ONCE WE HAVE THEM SIGNED UP DOESN'T MEAN THEY START THE NEXT DAY. RIGHT, OF COURSE. SO THEY MAY, THEY MAY TAKE A COUPLE MONTHS TO FIRST OF ALL, UM, MAKE CLEAR THEIR, GET THEIR SCHEDULES CLEARED ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY START. AND THEN SECOND IS THE BEGINNING WORK MAY ACTUALLY BE A LOT OF DESK WORK AND PREPARATION BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY SAY HIT THE STREETS. SO, SO HOW MUCH, WHAT ROLE DO YOU SEE FOR THE HPC COMMISSION AT AND IN THIS AT ALL, AND HOW MUCH DO YOU SEE OF YOUR TIME BEING ? RIGHT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UH, ASK YOU GUYS TO KIND OF LOOK OVER THE SCOPE OF THE WORK, [00:35:01] UM, MAYBE PROVIDE SOME INPUT ABOUT SOME IDEAS YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT ARE PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT, UM, EITHER DIFFERENT OR, UH, MORE CONSTRAINED OR MORE LIBERAL THAN, UH, WHAT THEY ARE EXPECTING TO DO. UM, AND THEN, UH, I GUESS WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO, WE COULD HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE IF YOU'D LIKE. I'M SORRY, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DISCUSSION GROUP TO, UH, TO UH, LOOK OVER THE, UH, UH, FINAL, LIKE THE LAST, THE TOP THREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND MAKE A DECISION FROM THAT. UM, SO, UM, I'M EXPECTING TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SEND OUT ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 RFPS BECAUSE I HAD TO DO THAT FOR THE, UM, COST ESTIMATE. UH, AND I USED THEIR LIST OF ALL THE CONSULTANTS THAT HAVE BEEN DOING, THEY HAVE A LIST OF ABOUT 20 DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS THAT HAVE BEEN DOING WORK FOR THEM. AND I PICKED OUT ONES THAT DID WORK SIMILAR TO RIVERSIDE, UH, AND ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE SOME COST ESTIMATES. WHAT, UM, HOW MUCH DID, WAS THE GRANT THAT WAS AWARDED, UH, 24,000? IS THERE A LOCAL MATCH? YES. 16,000. SO THE, THE TOTAL, SO 60 40 SPLIT. OKAY. SO 24 AND 16. YES. SO IT'S A $40,000 PROJECT, CORRECT. CORRECT. YEP. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MAY WANT TO MM-HMM . GET WORD OUT IN RIVERSIDE. UM, SO YES. ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S COOL NEWS. I THINK THE, THE UPDATE IS SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF TIMES. THANKS, MATT. YES. WELCOME. UM, I, I DID HAVE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT AND THAT IS ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 10TH AT FIVE 30 AT THE ST. JOHN'S LODGE. UH, WE'VE INVITED WADE ROGERS WHO CAME HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND TALKED, HE'S FROM SHIPPO, UM, HE'S ACTUALLY FROM NEW BERN AND HE'S ON THE EDENTON HPC. UM, BUT HE IS GOING TO, UH, MAKE A PRESENTATION. IT'S GONNA BE SPONSORED BY HYDRA PRESERVATION FOUNDATION, RIVERSIDE, AND MAYBE T BUT HE'S GONNA SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVATION, PARTICULARLY PRESERVATION IN NEW BERN. HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT HISTORIC PROPERTY OWNERS SHOULD KNOW WHEN THEY TALK WITH CONTRACTORS ABOUT POTENTIAL PROJECTS ON THEIR PROPERTY. AND THEN TAX CREDITS ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE AN INTERESTING SUBJECT. SO HE'S GONNA TOUCH ON AVAILABLE TAX CREDITS AND WHAT THAT PROGRAM LOOKS LIKE. WHERE WAS IT AT ST. JOHN'S MASONIC LODGE. MM-HMM . AND, AND WORD'S GONNA BE GOING OUT. WE'VE JUST FIRMED UP WITH, UH, ST. JOHN'S AND WITH WADE, AND NOW WE'VE GOT OUR, OUR SPONSORS ALL LINED UP AS WELL. SO WE'LL BE PUTTING OUT WORD, UM, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, BUT I THINK IT'LL BE AN INTERESTING, WADE ROGERS IS A VERY INTERESTING SPEAKER. I THINK HE'LL HAVE SOME, SOME GOOD INFORMATION. WE CAN HOPEFULLY GET A, GET A BIG CROWD THERE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME? FIVE 30. FIVE 30. UM, ARE THERE [9. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS] ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS? I I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE WE WERE GONNA HAVE A QUORUM TODAY. AND IT TURNS OUT WE GOT, WE GOT A, WE GOT A ALMOST A FULL BOAT, SO THAT'S, THAT'S AWESOME. THANK YOU ALL. UH, THERE, UM, NOTHING ELSE TO, UM, COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION TONIGHT. I, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN, SO MOVE SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. WE'RE ADJOURNED. MICS ARE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.