* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE REDEVELOPMENT MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 9TH, 6:00 PM CITY HALL. CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, COMMISSIONER DOVE PRESENT. COMMISSIONER HARRIS. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER SIMMONS PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MORGAN. COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND. CHAIR STEWART HERE. CO-CHAIR WALLACE PRESENT. AND THE LIAISONS, UH, BRIAN AND WHITE BOTH CALLED AND INDICATE THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE POLICE ACADEMY. SO, UM, CHAIR, WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. [3. Consider Approving the Agenda.] ITEM NUMBER THREE, CONSIDER APPROVING THE AGENDA. UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA AS IS SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE HAVE A DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED, CHAIR? YES. UM, CAN I, UM, MAKE A COUPLE OF CHA CHANGES? WE HAVE ONE FOR, UM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, DISCUSSION REGARDING A PROPERTY REQUEST BY MR. UH CHAPMAN. HE CONTACTED, UM, THE CLERK TODAY AND INDICATED THAT HE WAS WITHDRAWING HIS REQUEST. SO HE WILL NOT BE, THAT, THAT ITEM WILL NOT GO. AND I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. I'M SORRY AGAIN, YOUR HONOR. AND ALSO, UM, ITEM, UH, ITEM NUMBER NINE. THERE'S ALSO A REQUEST TO WITHDRAW THAT, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S GONNA COME BACK AT A LATER DATE. YES. SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA WITHDRAW THAT. SET THAT ONE ASIDE. WE'RE GONNA, UH, FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, SET ASIDE THE ONE FOR THE SAMSUNG STREET PROPERTY. UH, THAT ONE MAY STILL BEING PROCESSED. THE, THE PERSON THAT'S REQUESTING THAT HAS NOT ARRIVED YET, BUT THAT ONE STILL MAY GO, BUT THE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW ARE NOT GONNA GO TONIGHT. OKAY. SO THERE WAS, I NEED A MOTION TO UPDATE QUESTION IF YOU DON'T MIND. THERE WAS NO MENTION OF SAMPSON STREET HERE. MY, OH YES, IT IS NINE 13 SIMPSON STREET. I'M SORRY. OKAY, GOT IT. GO AHEAD, I'M SORRY. SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND UPDATE MY MOTION, UM, TO, UM, APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH THE REMOVAL OF EIGHT IN THE STAY OF NINE, ONLY FOR THE PROPERTY OF NINE 13 SAMPSON. WE HAVE A SECOND AND A MOTION. WE HAVE A, EXCUSE ME, I SECOND. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? AND THEN MOTION. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. [4. Consider Approval of Minutes] ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF AUGUST 12TH, 2026. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES, AS IS. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE MINUTES. WE, WE CONTINUE TO REFERENCE THE, UH, SPOT OF THE ED AND WE OBVIOUSLY REALIZE THAT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET ANY LONGER. AND SO CAN WE KIND OF GET AWAY FROM THAT AND REMOVE THAT? IT WAS SAYING THE ED IS ABSENT. UM, THERE'S REFERENCES IN THE, FOR ED IN THERE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. I GOTTA PULL IT UP. BUT JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, IF WE CAN REMOVE THAT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT, POSITION'S NOT GONNA BE FILLED. UH, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE TITLE WHERE IT HAS VACANT POSITION? UH, ON, THERE WAS A COUPLE ITEMS I THOUGHT THAT MENTIONED THAT. I GUESS THIS AS A NOTE, I'M, I'M COOL WITH MOVING FORWARD, BUT JUST AS A NOTE, I GUESS THERE'S NO NEED TO REFERENCE THAT IF WE'RE NOT GONNA FILL THAT POSITION. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S STILL LISTED IN CERTAIN DOCUMENTS AS A VACANT POSITION, SO NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT IT'S JUST, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT, IT'S NO POINT IN IN HAVING THAT THERE. SO THAT WAS MY ONLY, ONLY HICCUP ON THAT. YOU SEE THAT? YEAH, BUT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE AMENDS WITH THE NOTE OF, UM, COMMISSIONER STEWART REFERENCING TO REMOVE THE ED POSITION AS IT IS NOT GOING TO BE FILLED. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. [5. Public Comment] MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC COMMENT. SIR. [00:05:01] MS. ADAMS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP, HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS EVENING? AFTERNOON. WELL, THANK, GOOD. UM, SO I HAVE, I'M GONNA JUST STAND BEFORE YOU WITH TWO COMMENTS TODAY. UM, THE FIRST IS, ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND MY FAMILY, I JUST WANT THIS BODY TO KNOW THAT YOU DO HAVE, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE READY AND WILLING TO ADHERE TO ALL THE PROTOCOLS THAT YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE ON THE BOOKS FOR PURCHASING PROPERTY AND KEEPING TO A TIMELINE. UM, WE HAVE, UM, SAME WHAT BY WE, I MEAN MYSELF AND MY FAMILY, THE SAME VISION AND MISSION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. I KNOW YOU CAN'T READ THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO SHOW THAT I'M VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THIS BODY AND WHAT THIS BODY HAS GOING FOR IT OR WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO. UM, AND SO I'M IN LOCKSTEP WITH THAT. I ALSO WANT TO PURCHASE 12, 14, 12, 13 MECHANICS. I KNOW THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THAT BEFORE, BUT I JUST WANT THIS ON THE PUBLIC RECORD. UM, AND MONTH. YOU CAN TURN THAT AROUND. I DO HAVE, I SHARE YOUR SAME MISSION AND VISION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE BEAUTIFUL, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE IN THIS HOUSE. SEE, UM, AND THIS IS WHAT WE INTEND TO DO. I ALREADY OWN TWO PROPERTIES, ME AND MY FAMILY, BLOOMFIELD, WE ALREADY PURCHASED THAT FROM THE CITY. UM, AND SO IF WE WERE GIVEN THE CHANCE TO BID FOR 1213, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING. SO SHE, YOU GUYS ARE PASSING THAT AROUND. UM, THANK YOU. UM, AND MY SECOND COMMENT THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE DECIDED ON A NEWER, I GUESS, PROTOCOL SO TO SPEAK, WHICH I LOVE. I'M SO GLAD TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE GOING, COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE I GUESS WHENEVER YOU GUYS VOTE ON IT. BUT I WANNA MAKE A PUBLIC SUGGESTION TO, UM, SWITCH AROUND SOME OF THESE, THE ORDER OF THE PROTOCOL THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS, IF THAT'S NOT ALREADY IN DISCUSSION. UM, AND MY SUGGESTION IS JUST TO MOVE ITEMS NUMBER ONE, TWO, AND THREE DOWN AND LET ITEMS FIVE AND SIX GO BEFORE ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. UM, AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROTOCOL THAT'S ON THE BOOKS, BUT I'M JUST PUTTING THIS AS A SUGGESTION TO, I THINK THAT, THAT, TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT THIS WOULD GET BEFORE THE BODY WHAT THE INTENT OF THE BUYER IS FIRST BEFORE THEY PUT THE BID TO THE CITY. SO IN MY OPINION, THAT WOULD BE BETTER. 'CAUSE AS I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S, WHAT THE INTENTIONS OF THE BUYER ARE WHEN THEY PUT THE BID DOWN TO THE CITY. AND IT WOULD BE NICE FOR YOU, THE BODY TO KNOW WHAT THE, IN THE INTENT OF THE BUYER IS FIRST BEFORE THEY PUT THE MONEY DOWN. I'M JUST MAKING A SUGGESTION. UM, AND THEN WE WOULDN'T, LIKE YOU WOULD ALREADY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WAS PUTTING A BID DOWN. AND THEY CAN, YOU CAN SAY NO BEFORE THEY PUT THEIR MONEY DOWN ESSENTIALLY. SO, UM, YES, THAT'S JUST MY PUBLIC SUGGESTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR ALL YOU DO. THANK YOU. UM, I THINK TWO THINGS. WELL I WON'T EVEN ENTERTAIN THAT. GOT IT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT? ALRIGHT, ABSOLUTELY. HERE WE GO. ALRIGHT, [6. Discussion from Development Services Regarding Manufactured Homes in RDC] ITEM NUMBER SIX, DISCUSSION FROM REDEVELOPMENT REGARDING MANUFACTURE HOMES IN THE RDC, THE TEXT AMENDMENT. THAT IS MS. JESSICA RU. HOW ARE YOU TODAY? THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. YES MA'AM. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR HAVING ME. MARVIN, I AM NOT MOVING. CAN YOU ADVANCE IT FROM, UH, OOPS. ALRIGHT, THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. THANKS FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING. I DID A LITTLE HOMEWORK BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION AT OUR LAST MEETING. I'M GONNA PRESENT IT TO YOU. UM, I THINK WHAT KIND OF YIELDED OUT OF OUR RESEARCH WITH MY STAFF IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT OF CHALLENGES TO MAKE A CHANGE TO ALLOW MOBILE HOMES. IT'S NOT TO SAY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, BUT I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS WE LEARNED. SO YOU GUYS HAVE THIS INFORMATION TO MARINATE ON. SO JUST TO RECAP FROM LAST TIME, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOBILE HOMES OR MANUFACTURED HOMES, NOT MODULAR HOMES. IT'S VERY EASY TO MIX THESE TERMS UP. UM, A MODULAR HOME IS ILLUSTRATED ON THE SCREEN HERE. IT IT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE A STICK BUILT HOME. IT IS BUILT THE SAME WAY. IT IS INSPECTED PRETTY MUCH THE SAME WAY YOU'LL NOTE IT HAS A FANCIER, UH, ROOF STYLE THAN YOU TYPICALLY SEE ON A MANUFACTURED HOME. AND THIS IS YOUR BASIC MANUFACTURED HOME. THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED MANY PLACES IN THE CITY [00:10:01] OF NEW BERN TO INCLUDE IN THE RDC AREA RIGHT NOW. AS I UNDERSTAND IT. WE STARTED, UH, DOING SOME RESEARCH ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS AN AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP OPTION FOR MANY PEOPLE. WE WANTED TO SEE IF IT LOOKED REALISTIC, UM, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY PRESENT THE INFORMATION AND LET YOU ALL DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR A CHANGE MADE. SO THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS TO LOOK AT THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION BOUNDARY. WHEN YOU ACTUALLY RUN THE MATH THROUGH OUR GIS SYSTEM, IT'S RIGHT UNDER 6,000 SQUARE FEET. SO THOSE ARE FOR REGULAR, UH, TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION, VERY BUILDABLE LOTS FOR THE MOST PART, WHICH IS A GOOD THING IN YOUR AVERAGE LOT DIMENSION IS 50 BY A HUNDRED. ALICE, OUR GIS MANAGER AND BETH PULLED THESE MAPS TOGETHER. YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT'S NOT A HARD FAST RULE. WE HAVE MANY LOTS IN THE BOUNDARY THAT ARE SMALLER AND THAT'S FINE. THE, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE WRITTEN TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. BUT THIS DOES BECOME A CHALLENGE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN IN THE LOWER CORNER THAT YOUR BASIC SIZE OF A MOBILE HOME IS GOING TO BE 14 BY 76. THAT'S VERY TRADITIONAL. THAT'S THE SIZE QUOTED BY MANY DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS. THAT'S YOUR REGULAR SINGLE-WIDE MANUFACTURED HOME. SO WE SAID, NOW WHERE COULD THAT FIT? SO WE DID SOME, UH, MORE LOOKING AT OUR PARCEL DATA. NOW REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE DID A TEXT AMENDMENT ON OUR SETBACKS. THEY CURRENTLY SIT IN THE RDC BOUNDARY AT 15 FEET IN THE FRONT, FIVE ON THE SIDES, AND 10 IN THE REAR. AND FOR TYPICAL, UH, SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX CONSTRUCTION, THAT WOULD WORK VERY WELL. IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED WHEN YOU HAVE A LONGER UNIT SUCH AS A MOBILE HOME. TO REITERATE, THAT'S 14 BY 76 ALMOST ALWAYS. AND SO THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT OR DIMENSIONS RATHER, WOULD BE 30 BY 1 0 1 IF YOU'RE LEAVING THOSE SAME SETBACKS THERE. SO WE RAN A QUERY AND 177 PARCELS MEET THAT 30 BY 101 FOOT LOT SIZE THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT. BUT PLEASE BE MINDFUL, MOST OF THOSE ARE DEVELOPED. THEY ARE NOT VACANT LOTS. THAT'S NOT SAYING WE HAVE 177 PARCELS. WE CAN GO PUT MOBILE HOMES ON IF WE WANTED TO. THAT IS NOT THAT. THESE ARE ELIGIBLE LOTS WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND THEY ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED RIGHT THERE TO, TO SEE THEM. SO AGAIN, WE MENTIONED WE DID MODIFY THOSE SETBACKS. UH, THERE'S A SMALL MINIMUM LOT SIZE THAT WOULD BE IF YOU WERE TO CREATE A A NEW LOT AT, UH, IT NEEDS TO MEET THAT MINIMUM AND IT NEEDS TO HAVE 25 FEET OF WIDTH. AND THESE ARE SETBACKS AS THEY'VE STOOD SINCE LAST YEAR. UM, THESE SETBACKS WOULD NOT REALISTICALLY WORK FOR A MOBILE HOME IN, IN YOUR AREA. SO IF YOU WERE TO WANT TO INVESTIGATE FURTHER, WE'D HAVE TO TALK ABOUT SOME EITHER ENCROACHMENT ALLOWANCES FOR STAIRS OR PORCHES TO ACCESS IT OR START MESSING WITH THOSE SETBACKS AGAIN, WHICH I WILL SAY THEY ARE PRETTY LOW SETBACKS ALREADY. AND THIS IS A REALLY GOOD IMAGE WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT. SO THIS IS A LOT HERE. IT'S AN ACTUAL LOT, UH, 108 FEET DEEP BY 52 FEET WIDE. AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT A CHALLENGE IT IS TO FIT THE ACTUAL CORE OF THE MOBILE HOME AT 14 BY 76 FEET ON THAT LOT. THIS IS A PRETTY SIZABLE LOT FOR THE RDC. NOW, THIS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT THERE'S A REQUIREMENT IN THE REST OF THE REST OF NEW BERN WHERE WE ALLOW MOBILE HOMES THAT THE FRONT DOOR NEEDS TO FACE THE STREET. OKAY, IN THIS IMAGE HERE, THE FRONT DOOR IS NOT FACING THE STREET. THE FRONT DOOR WOULD BE WHERE, UM, ALLISON BETH HAVE PLACED THAT LITTLE PORCH OR LANDING, WHICH TO ILLUSTRATE, UH, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED SOME ACCESS TO THE HOME. SO MAXING OUT THE MOBILE HOME ON A LOT IS, IS, UM, ONLY ONE STEP. WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW SOMEBODY GONNA GET IN. AND SO THEY PUT SOME BASIC AMENITIES, THEY PUT THE PARKING PAD, THE ACCESS A SHED, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. NOW I REALLY WANT TO CAUTION YOU HERE BECAUSE WE WOULD LOVE FOR THIS TO START LOOKING REALLY NICE. AND I THINK THE CHALLENGE HERE IS IF YOU HAD A, A TRADITIONAL DUPLEX OR SINGLE FAMILY HOME BUILT ON THOSE VACANT LOTS, UH, FLANKING THIS [00:15:01] ILLUSTRATIVE MOBILE HOME AND THOSE FRONT DOORS WERE FACING THE STREET, IT'S GONNA LOOK REALLY WEIRD GOING DOWN THE STREET AND SEEING A MOBILE HOME THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S TURNED SIDEWAYS WITH A FRONT DOOR FACING SOMEBODY ELSE'S SIDE. AND FOR THAT REASON, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S SOME COULD BE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES UNLESS WE REALLY THINK THROUGH THIS. SO I'M CAUTIONING YOU. IT'S NOT THAT THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. IF WE WERE TO DO THIS, WE WOULD NEED TO GIVE A WHOLE LOT OF THOUGHT TO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO ABOUT THE ACCESS AND HOW WE WOULD WANT TO ACCOMMODATE EITHER CHANGING FRONT SETBACKS OR ALLOWING AN ENCROACHMENT FOR THE STAIRS. AN ENCROACHMENT IS A, IS A POSSIBILITY THAT, UM, I THINK WOULD WORK BETTER THAN CHANGING THE SETBACKS. I'M PRETTY COMFORTABLE THE SETBACKS WHERE US USUALLY WORK. UM, JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. I WANT EVERYONE TO BE THINKING ABOUT THINGS WE WOULDN'T ALWAYS THINK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT MAKING A CHANGE. AND THERE IS OPPORTUNITY THAT THIS WOULD LOOK A LITTLE BIT STRANGE WHEN YOU'RE TRAVELING DOWN THE STREET AND LOOKING AT THE, ALSO, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CHALLENGES. UM, WE'RE ALL AWARE THAT ABOUT HALF OF THIS BOUNDARY IS IN A FLOOD PLAIN. AND SO YOU CAN PUT A MOBILE HOME IN A FLOOD PLAIN, BUT IT IS GOING TO GET SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EXPENSIVE. A REGULAR SINGLE-WIDE MOBILE HOME TYPICALLY STARTS AT ABOUT $80,000. THAT WAS QUOTED FROM A VARIETY OF VENDORS. UM, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE LAND. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ELEVATING IT, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DECK OR PORCH TO GET INTO THAT, WHICH REQUIRES A SEPARATE BUILDING PERMIT. AND IF YOU ARE IN SUCH A FLOOD ZONE WHERE YOUR ELEVATION HAS YOU UP, UM, OVER FOUR OR FIVE FEET, YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOME EXTRA ENGINEERING. SO I DON'T THINK WE'D BE OFFERING A A, A COST BENEFIT TO RESIDENTS AND SAY, HEY, YOU CAN DO THIS, BUT JUST KIDDING YOU HAVE ALL THESE OTHER CHALLENGES. I THINK THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE MORE FRUSTRATING TO PEOPLE THAN HELPFUL. AND SO IF WE DO PURSUE THIS, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED MOST OF THEM. AND WE WOULD NEED TO THINK ABOUT. ONE IS WHERE WE WOULD WANT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE. WOULD WE BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT FACING THE SIDE OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S HOUSE OR WOULD WE WANT IT TO FACE THE STREET RIGHT NOW CITYWIDE, AND I'M SURE THIS WAS WRITTEN AT SOME POINT FOR A REASON, THEY REQUIRE THE FRONT DOOR FACES, THE STREET. UM, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IN THE ORDINANCE FOR MOBILE HOMES ELSEWHERE IS THE PITCH. IT'S, IT IS DESCRIBED, ALTHOUGH IT IS PRETTY BASIC. HOWEVER, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT SPECIFICALLY THE WORD APPEARANCE IS USED IN. AND, UH, THE, THE LEGISLATURE HAS REALLY GOTTEN AWAY FROM US BEING ABLE TO CALL THINGS APPEARANCE STANDARDS. AND IT REQUIRES AT LEAST 20 FEET. SO ELSEWHERE IN NEW BERN, YOU HAVE, IF YOU WANT TO PUT A MOBILE HOME IN, IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 20 FEET WIDE. THAT ELIMINATES THE ABILITY TO PUT A SINGLE WIDE. ALSO, IT REQUIRES AT LEAST A THREE BY THREE ENTRANCE WITH STAIRS WITH A LITTLE STOOP. SO YOU CAN ACCESS THE HOUSE AND A MASONRY CURTAIN WALL, WHICH CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE AS WELL. THERE'S, IF YOU WANT TO SHIELD THE AND UNDERPIN THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS BESIDES MASONRY THAT ARE MORE ECONOMICAL. UM, THOSE WOULD BE OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT. LAST NOTE. UH, THIS IS NOT TO SAY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MOBILE HOME PARKS. I THREW THIS IN BECAUSE I WAS ASKED, WELL IS THE RDC TALKING ABOUT MOBILE HOME PARKS? NO, MOBILE HOME PARKS ARE PERMITTED COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL MOBILE HOMES ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS. AND I HAVE WALKED THROUGH THE CHALLENGES THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED BASED ON WHAT MY STAFF HAS PULLED TOGETHER, UM, THAT MAY MAKE THIS MORE OF A CHALLENGE THAN WE ORIGINALLY INTENDED WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING INTO IT. SO THAT CONCLUDES WHAT I HAVE PREPARED FOR YOU TODAY, ISHA. CAN YOU, UM, SLIDE BACK THROUGH TO WHERE IT SHOWS THE MOBILE HOME ON THE LOCK PLOT OF LAND? OF COURSE. NOW THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A POSSIBILITY, RIGHT? OKAY. SO THE ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE IS THAT THE, THE, LIKE YOU SAID ABOUT THE DOOR NEEDING TO BE TOWARDS THE STREET. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADAPT AND CHANGE. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY OBVIOUSLY IS THAT I'M FINE WITH IT BEING THE WAY THAT YOU'VE PRODU, YOU KNOW, PRODUCED IT. 'CAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, HOUSING. BUT I WOULD CAUTION US AS THE BOARD TO SAY, HEY, LET'S INFORM AND SEE WHAT THE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY WOULD FEEL BECAUSE OF THE PLACEMENT OF IT. BUT HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE A OVERWHELMING [00:20:01] OF, YES, WE NEED HOMES, WE WANNA GET FOLKS IN HOMES, SO IT REALLY SHOULDN'T MATTER. SO THAT'S JUST MY TWO, 2 CENTS ON THAT, THAT I SUPPORT IT THE WAY THAT IT LOOKS, UM, AS LONG AS IT'S FEASIBLE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SURVEYING THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR THOUGHTS ON OBVIOUSLY THE AESTHETICS OF EVERYTHING. THAT'S ALL I HAD. SO, SO JESSICA, I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, OUT OF THOSE 177 LOTS THAT YOU SAID WERE ACCESSIBLE FOR THAT, HOW, HOW MANY OF THOSE LOTS ARE LOTS THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY ON? I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT. WE COULD CERTAINLY, UH, RUN THAT FOR YOU. I'M NOT SURE. IT WOULD BE VERY EASY AND I COULD GET YOU THAT INFORMATION IN THE MORNING. OKAY. YEAH, I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE, UM, WELL IT'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, THE DOOR, I THINK THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME IN, HE MENTIONED THAT A LOT OF, SOME OF THOSE ARE CUSTOM AND SO THE DOOR WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, I GUESS THEY CAN MOVE THAT AROUND. UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS IF SOMEONE WANTED TO, IF WE, WE WERE TO, TO GO ABOUT THAT? WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS IN US CHANGING THAT ZONING FOR LOTS THAT WOULD MEET THE CRITERIA? SO FOR THE LOTS THAT MEET THE CRITERIA, WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS THE, THE OVERARCHING STATEMENT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THE FRONT DOOR HAS TO FACE THE STREET. THAT WOULD NEED TO BE AMENDED EITHER CITYWIDE OR SPECIFICALLY FOR THE RDC. WHAT IF THE FRONT DOOR DOES FACE THE STREET? AND, AND IF THERE WASN'T A LOT, YOU KNOW, I, IF THERE WAS A LOT THAT WE OWN AND THE DOOR DOES FACE THE STREET, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS? I GUESS? SO HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, THE DOOR DOES FACE THE STREET, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS? SO IN ORDER FOR THAT ON A TRADITIONAL MOBILE HOME WITH THE DOOR IN THE MIDDLE, NOT A CUSTOM MOBILE HOME WITH THE DOOR ON THE END MM-HMM . WHICH WOULD MEET, WHICH WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. ALTHOUGH I THINK ADD A SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE TO THE BUYER, UM, ON, ON THESE AVERAGE SIZE LOTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN ORDER TO FIT ONE LIKE THAT. MM-HMM . YOU PROBABLY NEED TO COMBINE TWO. AND THAT'S NOT OFFERING ANY KIND OF AFFORDABILITY. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S 14 BY 76, RIGHT? YES. AND SO IF THERE, IF THE, SO HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING IF THO IF THAT LOT SIZE IS ADEQUATE FOR THE BUILD OR FOR THAT UH, MOBILE HOME, MANUFACTURE HOME, THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE REQUIREMENT OF THE ZONING? I KNOW THERE'S A PROCESS, BUT, AND I, AND I, AND I HEAR WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS, BUT I GUESS I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS ON IF THERE ARE LOTS AVAILABLE FOR THAT THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS FOR IT? SO FIRST THING, WOULD YOU ALL WOULD NEED TO DIRECT STAFF AND LEGAL TO START DRAFTING AN AMENDMENT? WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE A DECISION OR, OR YOU ALL WOULD NEED TO COME TO A CONSENSUS ON HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE PLACEMENT. THE DOOR, THE SETBACKS, IMPOSSIBLE ENCROACHMENTS TO ACCOMMODATE STAIRS THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN. AND THEN IF THAT HAPPENED AND WAS ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, 'CAUSE WE'D HAVE TO TAKE THIS, THIS BOARD WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THE REQUEST, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A TEXT AMENDMENT LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, AND GET THERE OKAY. WITH THAT MM-HMM . UH, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE NEXT MORNING AFTER THAT WOULD BE ADOPTED SOMEBODY, IF THEY HAD THE LOT DIMENSIONS THAT COULD HAVE THIS WOULD JUST COME GET A REGULAR ZONING PERMIT. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT WHAT MS. RU IS GIVING YOU INFORMATION ABOUT WOULD BE RULES TO GOVERN ANY LOT LOCATED WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA. MM-HMM . NOT SPECIFIC TO LOTS OWNED BY THE COMMISSION. NO, I UNDERSTAND. SO IT WOULD BE FOR THAT, THAT ZONE. SO WHATEVER THAT ZONE IS THAT THAT TAX AMENDMENT WOULD BE FOR THAT ZONE IN GENERAL, IT WOULD BE FOR THAT OVERLAY. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. I GOT YOU. UM, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY, ISHA, I'M GOING. AND THEN, UM, MR. REGGIE, HAVE YOU DONE A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON THE ONES THAT MAY HAVE TO BE LIFTED? 'CAUSE WOULD NEED TO BE COST EFFECTI? I CAN SHOW YOU. I DON'T NEED TO DO A STUDY ACTUALLY ANYTHING IN BLUE. YEAH. THAT'S ALL I NEED, NEED TO BE COST EFFECTIVE FOR THE AREA. I UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD BE A DEFINITE CAUSE OF CONCERN, I WOULD THINK. ABSOLUTELY. UH, FLOODPLAIN IS A CHALLENGE EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY FACES, BUT PARTICULARLY THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS AREA. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE, UM, CAUTION WISE IS, UM, THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN NOW FOR THE, UM, DOOR TO BE TOWARDS THE STREET, I'M ASSUMING, AND I WOULD LOVE TO GET, YOU KNOW, A SECOND OPINION THAT IT HAS TO DO WITH THE ABILITY OF, YOU KNOW, UM, FIREMEN, EMTS, UH, ABLE TO GET INTO THE, TO TO THE HOUSE WHERE IT'S NOT TO HOUSES IN BETWEEN AND NOT ENOUGH. I'M THINKING IT'S MORE OF LIKE EMERGENCY [00:25:01] MAYBE THAT COULD BE, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST AESTHETICS. OKAY. OR IT ALSO, THAT 20 FOOT REQUIREMENT, UM, DISCOURAGES THE ELIGIBILITY OF A SINGLE WIDE GOTCHA. UH, IT WAS WRITTEN SO THEY WERE ALLOWED, BUT IT WAS KIND OF DIFFICULT TO DO. GOTCHA. YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? COOL. JESSE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR YOU'RE VERY WELCOME FOR INFORMATION. YOU'RE WELCOME. UM, ARE WE GOING TO GIVE ANY DIRECTION TO THE BOARD OR DO WE WANT WELL, I THINK IT WAS JUST MORE INFORMATION FOR HER TO BRING US SOME INFORMATION ON BACK. UH, I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE A DISCUSSION. I I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ACTION ITEM TO MOVE ON AT THE MOMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. BUT BEFORE YOU GO, I GOTTA ASK THIS. UM, AND I KNOW YOU'RE EXTREMELY PREPARED, YOU WOULDN'T HAPPEN TO HAVE JUST A ROUNDABOUT FIGURE. UM, YOU NAMED THE, UH, UH, THE CHALLENGE TO FIT THE PORCH, UH, THE ENGINEERS, THE LIFT AND ALL THAT. JUST A ROUNDABOUT, HOW MUCH EXTRA TO THAT 80,000 WOULD IT COST OUR LOW INCOME CITIZENS OVER IN THAT AREA BASED ON JUST A, A JUST GUESSTIMATE, NOMINAL ESTIMATE. I THINK YOU'RE AT ANOTHER $30,000, TWO TO 80. SO WE EASILY JUMP RIGHT TO ONE 10. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE OTHER THING TO BEAR IN MIND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION IS A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT MS. RU HAS PROVIDED IS BASED ON NEW MOBILE HOMES. IF YOU ALL WERE TO ENACT OR RECOMMEND THAT THE GOVERNING BOARD ENACT, UM, LEGISLATION THAT WOULD ALLOW MOBILE HOMES IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA, YOU CANNOT RESTRICT MOBILE HOMES BASED ON THEIR AGE. SO THERE COULD BE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE COULD HAVE USED MOBILE HOMES THAT WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY AND THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE UNDER CURRENT LAW. THANK YOU. THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. YEP. BUT AREN'T THERE SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU COULD MAKE, LIKE WIND RATINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO BUILDING CODE SAYS THAT WE CANNOT ALLOW THE INSTALLATION OF A MOBILE HUB UNLESS IT IS A WIND ZONE. TWO, THEY'RE CATEGORIZED BASED ON THE RISK OF WHERE WE ARE IN HERE IN NEW BERN. WE REQUIRE A WIND ZONE TOO, WHERE IT GETS HIGHER AT THE BEACH, BUT WE ARE HIGHER THAN NORMAL. SO, UM, THAT IS ALL BASED ON A SEAL THAT IS PUT ON THAT MOBILE HOME AT THE TIME IT'S MANUFACTURED. YOU SAID THAT WE COULDN'T, IF WE OPENED THE DOOR FOR THIS, WE COULDN'T, UH, RESTRICT BECAUSE OF AGE. WOULD WE HAVE TO, COULD WE SET LIMITS TO CODE OF TODAY'S CODE? YES, SIR. SO SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND BRING IN 20-YEAR-OLD TRAILER WITH THE STUFF BEING ALL AT THE BOTTOM. WE CAN'T RESTRICT BASED ON AGE, BUT I THINK WHAT MS. RU IS SAYING THAT WE, THE BUILDING CODE RESTRICTS BASED ON WIND ZONE AND I THINK AFTER 19 SOMETHING THEY, THE MANUFACTURERS HAD TO UP THE WIND SPEED WIND ZONES FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES. SO THERE MAY BE A CUTOFF PERIOD BASED ON WIND ZONE AS OPPOSED TO AGE. BUT THEORETICALLY SOMEBODY COULD BRING IN A MOBILE HOME THAT IS NOT BRAND NEW. AND, AND WHEN SHE SAYS NOT BRAND NEW, I BELIEVE THAT YEAR MIGHT BE 1978. OH MY GOD. OKAY. SORRY. HAPPY TO BE THE BEARER OF GREAT NEWS FOR YOU GUYS. SO OTHER THAN THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD, HAVE MARVIN, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU. HAVE WE HAD A BUYER TO COME IN AND, AND WANT TO, UH, PUT A MANUFACTURER HOME IN THE RDV, IN THE RDC UH, AREA? SO WE HAVE HAD BUYERS THAT WANTED TO PURCHASE A LOT OTHER THAN INTERNAL CONVERSATIONS, THERE'S BEEN BUYERS THAT HAVE APPROACHED AND SAID, HEY, I WANT TO BUY THIS LOT AND I WANT TO PUT THIS MODULE HOME HERE, MANUFACTURE HOME HERE. NOT DIRECTLY TO ME, BUT IN, IN THE OVERLAY AREA, THERE HAS BEEN INTEREST FOR, UM, BRINGING ON PROPERTY, NOT WITH THE RE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ITSELF, BUT OTHER HOMEOWNERS OR PROPERTY OWNERS THERE WOULD, WOULD, UH, REQUEST SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN, AND AND WHERE, AND, AND SO WAS THAT KIND OF SAYING, HEY, WE, YOU'RE NOT ZONED FOR THAT CURRENTLY OR THAT WAS KIND OF THE CONVERSATION AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD YOU SAY THAT IS? IT IT REALLY HADN'T DEVELOPED INTO A DEEP CONVERSATION. I ALL I KNOW IS LIKE ONE OR TWO. THAT'S WHEN I GOT IN CONTACT WITH THE GUY FROM DOWN EAST, UH, MANUFACTURED HOMES WHEN HE CAME TO US SAYING, HEY, WE WERE GETTING REQUESTS IN THESE AREAS, BUT THEY'RE NOT, UH, ALLOWED MM-HMM . AND, UM, THAT'S WHEN HE, HE, UM, RECOMMENDED, UH, WE COME DOWN AND SEE THE PRODUCT. MM-HMM . UH, AGAIN, THAT THAT OFFER'S STILL OPEN, UH, TO GO DOWN TO DOWN EAST IF YOU KNEW Y'ALL WERE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES. AND SO WHEN THAT HAPPENED, UH, THERE WASN'T ANYONE ELSE COMING TO ASK ABOUT THE ABILITY TO DO THAT? IT WAS, THEY HAD APPROACHED THEM AND, AND THAT'S HOW WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT. AND ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE LOT THAT THEY WERE REFERRING TO BLOOMFIELD ONE IN THE DIAGRAM? NO, NO, NO, NO. THE LOT THAT THE, [00:30:01] OH NO, HE DIDN'T GIVE ME A SPECIFIC LOT. HE JUST INDICATED THAT HE HAD INTERESTED FIELD HOMEOWNERS OF, OF PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WANTED TO, TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF, UM, STRUCTURE ON THEIR PROPERTY. GOT IT. AND JESSICA, IN YOUR OFFICE, DO YOU GUYS GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR THAT? UM, FOR MY MANUFACTURER HOMES IN THE RDC, NOT SPECIFIC TO THE RDC, WE DID HAVE ONE SITUATION ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, UH, RIGHT WHEN I FIRST STARTED WHERE A WOMAN HAD PURCHASED A MOBILE HOME 'CAUSE SHE HAD INHERITED A LOT MM-HMM . AND WE HAD TO HAVE A HARD CONVERSATION WITH HER THAT SHE COULDN'T PUT IT WHERE SHE WANTED TO OUT THERE. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT ADDRESS. MM-HMM . BUT CITYWIDE, WE DON'T GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR THEM. GOT IT. COOL. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, JESSICA. THANK YOU AGAIN. ITEM [7. Discussion Regarding Property Request by New Bern Housing Authority] NUMBER SEVEN, DISCUSSION REGARDING PROPERTY REQUESTS BY NEWBURN HOUSING AUTHORITY. DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT'S WANT TO PRESENT? I DON'T SEE ANYONE THAT'S GONNA SPEAK ON THIS, SO, SO REGGIE DID GIMME A CALL, BUT I, I THINK FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, HE WAS LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM US. AND I KNOW WHEN YOU AND I SPOKE AND I, AND, AND WITH BRENDA, WAS THERE ANY CONVERSATION AND WAS ANYONE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP WITH JAMIE ON HOW THAT WOULD GO? YES, SIR. ON THOSE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS? OKAY. YES, SIR. UM, I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITIES ATTORNEY AND THEY'RE WORKING ON SOME DOCUMENTATION FOR PRESENTATION. OBVIOUSLY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS VERY BUSY THESE DAYS. UM, SO THEY JUST MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TURN IT AROUND IN TIME FOR OUR AGENDA PACKAGE TO GO OUT. SO WHAT YOU MIGHT DO IS CONSIDER CONTINUING THIS ITEM TO YOUR OCTOBER MEETING. OKAY. UH, I THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE. DO WE HAVE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION ON THAT? YES, SIR. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT? YES. I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, CONTINUE. UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN TO OCTOBER, UM, WAS IT OCTOBER 7TH? OH, 14TH, MM-HMM . YES. OCTOBER 14TH MEETING. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OCTOBER 13TH IT IS. 14TH. 14TH. EXCUSE ME. STRIKING ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. ITEM NUMBER [9. Discussion Regarding Property Requests by Yellow Creek Enterprise] NINE, MR. CHAIR, JUST FOR THE BOARD'S, UM, REFRESHMENT, UM, THIS ITEM IS BEING LIMITED TO THE OFFER TO PURCHASE NINE 13 SAMPSON STREET. YEP. THE OTHER PROPOSALS HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN. UM, 19 9 13. SAMPSON STREET HAS AS BEEN INDICATING YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE, UM, WAS SUBMITTED BY JASON HUGHES, JR. MM-HMM . IT'S DATED SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2026. I DO BELIEVE THAT MR. HUGHES IS PRESENT. I, UM, AND IF I DON'T KNOW, SIR, DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR TONIGHT? UH, THAT'S JUDGE. NO. NO. SO NO ONE IS PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF I CAN'T. OKAY. I JUST, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SLIDES, BUT I CAN EXPLAIN TO WHERE YOU'RE DO WELL, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS WITHOUT, BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO SEE IS A PRESENTATION ON WHAT WOULD GO ON THE PROPERTY. AND I WAS JUST INFORMED THAT THAT PRESENTATION WAS NOT YOUR PRESENTATION. SO, AND, AND WE CAN RE WE CAN CONTINUE THE ALL THREE OF 'EM TILL OR HOWEVER MANY Y'ALL HAVE, UH, TO THE OCTOBER DATE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE DISCONNECT ON THE INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE SHARED TODAY AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION, UH, WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. OKAY. OKAY. SO, MR. CHAIR, I THINK, UM, MR. HUGHES IS ASKING TO CONTINUE HIS PRESENTATION ON NINE 13 SAMSON STREET TO THE OCTOBER 14TH MEETING. SO IS IT JUST NINE 13 SAMSON, OR IS IT ALL THREE OF THE PROPERTIES? NINE 13 SAM? IT, IT'S NINE 13 SAMSON. OKAY. SO YOU'RE PULLING 8 33 AND 10 15, IS THAT WHAT I JUST APPARENTLY. SO YELLOW CREEK ENTERPRISES HAS PULLED THE OTHER, AND THOSE ARE NOT ON YOUR AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. SO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR IS, IS THIS ONE ORGANIZATION NINE OR NINE 13 SAMPSON STREET IS THE ONLY OFFER THAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT BY YELLOW CREEK ENTERPRISE? BY JASON HUGHES? YES. BY BY ME, YES. OKAY. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE, THE OFFER TO PURCHASE SUBMITTED ON NINE 13 SAMPSON STREET, THE BUYER INDICATED AS JASON D. HUGHES JR. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, ALLOW, UH, MR. JORDAN TO, UM, PRESENT ON OUR OCTOBER 14TH MEETING FOR THE, UM, OFFER OR IN FOR OF THE PURCHASE OF NINE 13 SAMPSON STREET. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MR. HUGHES, ON THAT DAY, IF YOU CAN JUST COME BACK WITH A SKETCH, WHAT [00:35:01] YOU'RE, UH, PLANNING ON BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY, ANY TYPE OF VISUALS THAT YOU CAN BRING US WILL BE VERY HELPFUL. ABSOLUTELY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. [10.a. Discuss 720 First Avenue Purchase] OKAY, ITEM NUMBER 10, NEW BUSINESS DISCUSSION OF SEVEN 21ST AVENUE PURCHASE. UH, IS THAT YOU MS. FILLMORE? UM, I HAVE THE DOCUMENTS, UH, MR. CHAIR, I'M HAPPY TO BE HELPFUL. OKAY. UM, WE PREVIOUSLY, UM, RECEIVED SOME DIRECTION, SPECIFICALLY, MS. TMORE RECEIVED SOME DIRECTION REGARDING THE ACQUISITION OF A CERTAIN PROPERTY LOCATED ON FIRST AVENUE. MM-HMM . UM, BASED ON THAT DIRECTION, UM, MS. FULMAR HAS NEGOTIATED WITH THE OWNER OF SEVEN 21ST AVENUE AND, UM, HAS RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM THE OWNER OF SEVEN 21ST AVENUE THAT SHE'S INCLINED TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FOR A PURCHASE PRICE OF $2,500 IN YOUR AGENDA. PACKAGE IS AN OFFER TO PURCHASE THAT THE COMMISSION COULD ADOPT AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIR TO SIGN TONIGHT. THE DETAILS OF THE OFFER TO PURCHASE ARE GENERALLY AS FOLLOWS. UM, THE PURCHASE PRICE IS $2,500 A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD OF 45 DAYS, WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO DO TITLE WORK AND KICK THE TIRES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SATISFIED WITH A CLOSING DATE ON OR BEFORE NOVEMBER 25TH, 2026, WHICH WOULD ALLOW YOU TO HAVE ALL THIS BUTTONED UP BEFORE THE THANKSGIVING RECESS. IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR, YOU CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE OFFER TO PURCHASE SEVEN 21ST AVENUE. GOOD MORNING. OKAY, COACH HARRIS, I MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE OFFER TO PURCHASE FOR SEVEN 21ST AVENUE. I SECOND IT. IS THERE ANY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? AND I DO HAVE THE, UM, COMPLETED DOCUMENTS FROM, UH, MS. TONITA. OKAY. THE, YEAH, SHE SIGNED THE DOCUMENT. AND MR. CHAIR, SINCE THIS IS, DOES REQUIRE AN EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS, UM, I THINK OUR PROTOCOLS REQUIRE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ITEM. SAY THAT, SAY THE LAST PART ONE MORE TIME. SINCE THIS ACTION DOES REQUIRE AN EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS, I THINK OUR PROCEDURES REQUIRE A ROLL CALL VOTE. ABSOLUTELY. UH, ASSISTANT, UH, CITY MANAGER. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER DOVE? YES. COMMISSIONER HARRIS? YES. COMMISSIONER SIMMONS? YES. SHE'S THERE. CO-CHAIR WALLACE? YES. SHERIFF STEWARD? YES. THAT MOTION PASSED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT DE GOOD WORK. YES. GOOD WORK. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, [10.b. Workgroup Reports] UH, 10 B UH, PROPERTY SALES COMMISSIONER, UH, WORKING GROUPS, PROPERTY SALES, UH, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYONE IS ASSIGNED TO THAT. UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN A COUPLES, UM, PROPERTIES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PRESENTED THIS EVENING THAT ARE GONNA BE TABLED, SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING TO FURTHER TO DISCUSS ON THAT. UH, B MARKETING, UH, COMMISSIONER DUCK, UH, NOTHING. THIS IS WE SPOKE WITH. UM, I'M GONNA LET YOU TALK. WE SPOKE ABOUT THE SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN WE WANTED TO PUT FORWARD. YOU COULD PRESENT THAT. YES. SO, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A MEETING WITH COLLEEN, UM, AND JUST KIND OF GIVE HER THE VISION OF, YOU KNOW, A WORKING FACEBOOK GROUP, THE CONTENT THAT WE WOULD, UH, PAY WORKING FACEBOOK PAGE, THE CONTENT THAT WE WOULD WANT TO PUSH OUT. UM, SHE WAS EXCITED ABOUT IT. SHE'S GOING TO GET WITH A FEW OF HER COLLEAGUES, UM, I THINK TO WHAT, WHAT TONY, THE HEAD GUY IN, UM, IT JUST TO KIND OF FLESH OUT LIKE HOW PROCEDURALLY IT WOULD WORK. UM, BUT IT WAS REALLY JUST GONNA BE, UM, A FOLLOW UP. SO ONCE WE GET MORE INFORMATION, WE'LL UM, GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT. BUT WE'RE WORKING AT COLLINS, WORKING AT IT WITH, WITH THAT THE, UH, THAT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND WHEN THEY LOOKED AT IT WITH ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND THAT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT WE DEAL WITH, UH, THAT THAT'S NEVER BEEN ALLOWED. SO, UH, UH, CITY MANAGER AND MYSELF, WE DECIDED THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D WANT TO START WITH A FACEBOOK PAGE, BUT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO, IF YOU ALL, IF THE BOARD HAS ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT OUT, LIKE A VIDEO OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UH, LINK IT TO BE A WELL PAGE. OKAY. SO THAT WAS ALSO ON THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION TOO, IS INSTEAD OF HAVING OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL FACEBOOK, IF THERE WAS CONTENT THAT WE WOULD PUT OUT, IT'D KIND OF BE LIKE THE RDC EDITION THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO GO ONTO THE MAIN FACEBOOK PAGE BASED ON WHAT WAS GOING ON. SO THAT'S XO VITO TWO. WELL, EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON WOULD BE SCREENED AND SCREENED APPROPRIATE. I MEAN, IT'S ABOUT LIKE ANYTHING WITH THE PAGE. YES. WELL, THERE GOES YOUR UPDATE . SO, SO IS, IS THE, THE APPETITE ON THAT IS THAT THOSE ITEMS NEED TO COME TO YOU GUYS FIRST [00:40:01] AND THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE IT? OR ARE YOU JUST SAYING SHOOTING DOWN THEIR IDEA IN GENERAL? NO, I MEAN, IT IS SAYING THAT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED OUT, UH, PUBLIC FACING, THAT IT COULD BE, UH, LINKED FROM THE, UM, THE WEBPAGE FROM THE WEBSITE, FROM THE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT SITE. OKAY. BUT I MEAN, IT'S NOT SHUT DOWN, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A, A, A, UM, SAFEGUARDS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE WITH, WITH THE CITY LOGOS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, SO OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. HAVE THAT'S FINE. HAVE A QUESTION. I, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL JUST COME TOGETHER AS A, A WORKING GROUP TO THINK ABOUT ANY TYPE OF CONTENT YOU WOULD THINK THAT WE WANT TO PUT OUT. UM, BUT IT'S NOT PRIORITY, IT WAS JUST MORE OR LESS, HEY, WE WANT TO INFORM PEOPLE. AND I ALSO STATED THAT I WOULD DO THAT ON MY OWN PAGE TOO. NOT REPRESENTING THE REDEVELOPMENT, BUT KIND OF PUTTING OUT THE THINGS THAT WAS GOING ON. SO IT WAS REALLY EDUCATIONAL. I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THERE A CURRENT PHOTO OF THIS COMMISSION? NO. NO. OKAY. LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANNA TAKE ONE SECOND. YEP. , ANYTHING ELSE FROM MARKETING? NO, SIR. GOOD. OKAY. GOOD HOUSING. UH, MYSELF. SO, UH, WITH HOUSING, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A COUPLE THINGS THAT'S TABLED, UH, INTO THE NEXT YES SIR. FOR MARK , UH, BUSINESS CARD, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR US AS BOARD MEMBERS. MR. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THE REQUEST. YOU, ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS HAVE BUSINESS CARDS TO DISTRIBUTE TO THE PUBLIC OR ARE YOU ASKING FOR A REDEVELOPMENT GENERIC BUSINESS CARD TO DIRECT, UM, INTERESTED PERSONS TO CITY STAFF? I THINK WE NEED THEM AS INDIVIDUAL PERTAINING AS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. WE'RE DEALING WITH DIFFERENT ENTITIES OUT THERE AND DEFINITELY NOT HAVING THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TAKING ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS, GOING INTO DIFFERENT ENTITIES AND DIFFERENT, UH, PERSPECTIVES OUT THERE DEALING. I THINK WE NEED TO REPRESENT WHAT WE ARE DOING OUT THERE AND BEING ABLE TO BE CONTACTED. SO I THINK THEY'RE IN ORDER. WOULD YOU ALL CONSIDER HAVING A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT AS THE CHAIR? BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF INDIVIDUAL CARDS OUT THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE INFORMATION THAT'S GONNA BE GOING SOME TO INDIVIDUALS AND OPPOSED? I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE SAY FOR INSTANCE, I'M WORKING ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HEALTH AND WELLNESS, ONE PERSON RUNNING BACK TO THE CHAIR, I CAN'T GET THINGS DONE IF I GOTTA WAIT TO A THIRD PARTY INDIVIDUAL AND THE BAR KNOW THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE I'M DEALING WITH, I CAN'T WAIT TO GET AN ANSWER FROM YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE WHEN I'M DOING BUSINESS OUT THERE. HE KNOW, HE'S DEALING WITH, I'M WITH YOU, HE'S DEALING, HE'S DEALING WITH, UH, PROJECT COORDINATORS, DIFFERENT COLLEGES, PROFESSORS, DOCTORS, AND I'M JUST RUNNING THROUGH HIM JUST ALONE. SO THE NEXT QUESTION I THINK WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER EVERYBODY IS COMFORTABLE WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, HAVING ACCESS TO YOUR PERSONAL CONTACT INFORMATION, WHETHER IT'S YOUR TELEPHONE NUMBER, EMAIL ADDRESS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A MAJORITY OF YOU MAY BE COMFORTABLE WITH, THEN YOU CAN CERTAINLY GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO GET SOME COSTS AND SOME ESTIMATES TO BRING BACK FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION. WELL, I LEAVE IT IN THE HANDS OF THE ONES DOING THE MARKETING TO HAVE THAT. I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE AT ALL. THIS BOTH. I KNOW WE DID TALK WITH COLLEEN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS A NEED AND I THINK WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING IT BACK OF LIKE HAVING A CENTRAL EMAIL FOR US, LIKE A-R-B-C-U AT WHATEVER, SO THAT IF PEOPLE WANTED TO EMAIL IN, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD WORK OR WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR LOOKING AT THE EMAILS. I MEAN, I OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO PROBLEM, LIKE LOOKING AT FORWARD IT, WHOEVER, HOWEVER IT WOULD WORK. UM, BUT I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT WANT MY INFORMATION, ALTHOUGH PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, I WOULDN'T WANT MY PERSONAL INFORMATION OR A BUSINESS CARD. UM, I PERSONALLY THINK THEY'RE OBSOLETE THESE DAYS. UM, BUT IF FOLKS ON THE BOARD FEEL THAT THEY NEED 'EM, I'M JUST NOT INCLUDED IN NEEDING THEM. BUT I'LL SUPPORT WHAT THE MAJORITY WOULD WANT. 'CAUSE HONESTLY, I WOULD TELL THEM, COME SEE ME AT THE BOARD MEETING AND COME TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. IF YOU GOTTA TALK TO ME ABOUT SOMETHING, TALK TO THE WHOLE BOARD. THAT'S THE ENGAGEMENT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THAT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? OKAY. I DON'T, I'M, DOES, DOES ANYBODY FEEL THAT THEY NEED BUSINESS CARDS AND WANT SUPPORT? I'M ON SUPPORT OR NO, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I NEED A BUSINESS CARD, HONESTLY. I, UM, BUT IF, IF FOLKS WANT THAT, I MEAN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. I JUST, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THAT. UM, I THINK THAT THE, UM, YOU [00:45:01] KNOW, IF FOLKS HAVE QUESTIONS, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT COMING TO THE, THE BODY ANYWAY, SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE URGENCY OF SOMEONE TALKING TO US ABOUT SOMETHING, WE STILL HAVE TO COME HERE AND MEET. SO, UM, I I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM HAVING A CONVERSATION IF JAMIE OR, UH, MARVIN CALLS AND SAYS, HEY, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS. BUT, UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BUILD THIS CAR, BUT IF YOU GUYS WANT ONE, THEN I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TABLE AND, UM, COME BACK TO IT OR THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE CAN MOVE ON. THIS IS, UH, HE'S WORKING IN A, AN EXTENSIVE WORK. UM, I'VE BEEN IN THE MEETINGS WITH HIM. I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE HE IS GOING WITH IT, BUT REGGIE, WE CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BE ALRIGHT, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. THANK YOU. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. SO HOUSING, UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATION WITH REGGIE, OBVIOUSLY IF, IF YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON NEWBURN, THEY WERE, UH, AWARDED, UH, A NICE SUMMER OF MONEY, UH, MONEY, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD. AND SO, UH, WE, WE HAVE SOME MOVEMENT ON THE AVENUES PROJECT AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK ON THAT, UH, ONCE THEY FINALIZE THINGS WITH UH, LEGAL. UM, I THINK ALSO, UM, THERE'S SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH HABITAT THAT ARE GONNA BE HAD HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS. UM, AND THEIR APPETITE WITH TRACY ON HOW THEY WANNA MOVE FORWARD AND, AND WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN BE A PART OF WITH THE AVENUES PROJECT. AND SO, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING, UH, FURTHER TO REPORT ON THAT ON OUR NEXT MEETING. ALRIGHT. NEIGHBORHOOD. COULD COMMISSIONER MORGAN, DID HE GIVE ANYONE HIS REPORT? UM, HE DID NOT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, UM, WE, WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER WITH SOME DATES AND WITH THOSE DATES WE NEED TO POLL Y'ALL TO, TO CHECK WITH SOME THINGS BEFORE WE EVEN ATTEMPT TO GO TO, UH, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. SOME, SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, THE CLEANUP AND THINGS LIKE THAT. MM-HMM. PLUS WE WANT TO DO THE TOUR WHERE, UH, COMMISSIONER MOORE GONNA TAKE THE PICTURES SO WE CAN GIVE YOU UPDATES OF THE PROGRESS ONE OVER THERE. OKAY. UM, IN THE DEPUTY FIELD AREA. SO NEXT MONTH WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT. UH, CHECK. OKAY. [11. Staff Report] OKEY-DOKEY. UH, MOVING RIGHT ALONG. STAFF REPORT. MR. MARVIN, UH, WITH THE, UH, BUDGET REVIEW, UH, NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED SINCE THE LAST BUDGET REVIEW. UH, THE ONLY ADDITIONAL FEE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WAS THE JULY, UH, PROPERTY MOW MOWINGS, WHICH, UH, TOTALED 1030 $5 AND 30 CENTS, WHICH THE CURRENT TOTAL RIGHT NOW IS SHOWING IS $842,287 AND 81 CENTS. UM, THAT'S ALL, UM, THE REPORTS THAT, THAT WE HAVE. THANK YOU. UH, [12. Next Meeting: October 14, 2026] NEXT MEETING HERE, UH, IS OCTOBER 14TH. UM, JAMIE, I DO HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ASK THOSE NOW, UM, OR IF WE NEED TO GO AND CLOSE SESSION FOR THAT QUESTION. UH, BASED ON OUR LAST MEETING, HAS THERE BEEN ANY MOVEMENT, UM, ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE DISCUSSED? I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DUE DILIGENCE THAT YOU NEEDED TO DO. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACQUIRING REAL PROPERTY OTHER THAN SEVEN 21ST AVENUE, WE CAN GO ON THE CLOSED SESSION. ALRIGHT, SO [13. Closed Session] DO WE HAVE A MOTION? THE MOTION WOULD BE PURSUANT TO NORTH CAROLINA GENERAL STATUTE 1 43 3 18 11 8 5 TO DISCUSS THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? A MOTION? ARE WE GOING IN CLOSE SESSION NOW? YES. I MOVE WE GOING SESSION SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND AND A MOTION. WE HAVE A A WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, ANY DISCUSSION? THE MOTION INCORPORATED THE STATUTE THAT I JUST REFERENCED. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, DO. THANK YOU. YEAH. THAT MOTION INCORPORATES STATUTE. THE STATUTE THAT I SAID THAT YOU JUST REFERENCED. YES. YES MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU FOR THAT CORRECTION. WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND IN DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR? A I. ANY OPPOSED GOING IN THE CLOSED SESSION? YOU WOULD HAVE TO EXIT THE COURT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO COME OUT OF CLOSED SESSION? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE COME OUT. CLOSED SESSION. WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? A. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. WE ARE OUTTA CLOSED SESSION. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME WITH THAT, UH, I HAVE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION UNLESS YOU DO IN THE MATTER. UH, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN THIS MEETING. I SECOND THERE'S A MOTION. THIS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR A. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. NO PRODUCTIVE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.