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SO, UH,[1. OPENING OF MEETING AND ROLL CALL ]
WELCOME AND CALL.I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS NEW BERN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2026.
UM, THE NEW BERN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING NEW BERN'S, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, INCLUDING DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE, BASED ON THE CITY OF NEW BERN, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS, AS WELL AS THE US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES IN CITY ORDINANCES.
MATT, WOULD YOU DO ROLL CALL AND DETERMINATION OF A QUORUM? CERTAINLY MOLLY BALES, ROSS BEBE HERE.
AND JIM MORRISON AND RICHARD PARSONS ARE EXCUSED.
[2. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA ]
ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA AND BY COMMISSIONERS OR, OR MATT? MATT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NONE BY ME, OTHER THAN THERE ARE NO MINUTES OR WRITTEN DECISIONS.[3. CONSENT AGENDA ]
THAT MAKES THE CONSENT, UH, AGENDA VERY EASY.[4.A. 100 Skysail Blvd. – to include replacement soffits, ceilings, and lighting in the Primary and Secondary AVCs. ]
CAN MOVE ON TO THE HEARINGS ON COAS.THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION HOLDS QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS ON APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS KNOWN AS COAS.
THE COMMISSION HEARS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.
THE COMMISSION'S DECISION ON AN APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT THE HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLE AND STANDARDS.
THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINIONS THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS.
LIKEWISE, THE COMMISSION MEMBERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINION, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES OR HEARSAY DURING THE HEARINGS.
UM, ANYBODY WHO INTENDS TO SPEAK TODAY, COULD YOU SIGN UP FRONT AND COULD YOU STAND UP AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY? I DO.
HAVE YOU GUYS ALL SIGNED IT? NO, I HAVE.
WOULD YOU MIND, PLEASE? I WISH.
SO, HERE'S THE PROCEDURE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE USING THIS EVENING FOR THE HEHE ON THE COA APPLICATIONS.
THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION AND COMMENTS OR CONCERNS THAT HE MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THE APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WILL THEN PRESENT THE APPLICATION AND ANSWER ANY CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS ASKED BY THE COMMISSIONERS.
THOSE WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE APPLICATION MAY PRESENT EVIDENCE EITHER AS A PROPONENT OR AN OPPONENT.
ANYONE ELSE WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED MAY PRESENT EVIDENCE.
THE APPLICANT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL OF TESTIMONY GIVEN AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ANY FINAL COMMENT ON THE APPLICATION.
THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR WILL THEN PRESENT STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE COMMISSIONERS WILL DISCUSS THE APPLICATION AND THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED, AND THEY MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT, FROM THE PRESENTERS OR THE HPC STAFF.
THE, THE CHAIR, MEANING THE WILL CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION WILL STATED FIGHTING FOR FACT.
THE MOTION WILL BE DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSIONERS AS APPROPRIATE, AND THEN THE COMMOTION, THE COMMISSION WILL VOTE ON THE MOTION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? IT'S PRETTY STANDARD.
AND I THINK THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE TONIGHT, MATTHEW, IS 1 0 1, EXCUSE ME, 100 SKY SALE BOULEVARD? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE'LL START WITH A, UM, INTRODUCTION TO THE PROJECT.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE REPLACEMENT, SOFFIT, CEILINGS, AND LIGHTING.
THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ABCS STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICATION TO BE DETERMINED TO BE COMPLETE.
THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE IS TO BE PRESENT, WHICH I SEE HE IS TODAY.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND STATED NO ZONING APPLICATION WAS REQUIRED.
UH, THIS IS FROM OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS, UH, FORM, WHICH HERE STATES THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS SAID NO ZONING PERMITS REQUIRED.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAID THERE WILL,
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THAT THIS PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, AND BUILDING ELECTRICAL AND FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMITS ARE REQUIRED.AND SO THE OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION IS THE APPLICANT IS CR FRANCIS ARCHITECTURE, PA UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER OF SKYS SALE OWNERS ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED LOCATION IS 100 SKYS SALE BOULEVARD.
THE STATUS IS NON-CONTRIBUTING.
THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 2008.
THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION, THERE IS NONE.
AND SAME WITH THE SAND BACK DESCRIPTION, ALSO NONE.
AND THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS THE WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
SO THIS IS A, AN AERIAL, UH, THIS SUBJECT PARCEL OUTLINED IN BLUE THERE.
AND THE STREET ACROSS THE TOP IS SOUTH FRONT STREET.
THE STREET ALONG THE RIGHT IS MIDDLE STREET, AND THE STREET ON THE LEFT IS HANCOCK STREET WITH THE, UH, RAIL LINE GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT.
AND THE BOTTOM EDGE IS THE TRENT RIVER.
AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND IT.
UM, THERE'S TWO, UM, QUITE CLOSE, UH, ALONG MIDDLE STREET THERE.
UH, THEN A SMALL, UH, SMALL ALLEY ESSENTIALLY, UH, AND THEN ANOTHER BUILDING, AND THEN THE BANK ON THE CORNER OF MIDDLE END, SOUTH FRONT.
SO ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT TO GET AN IDEA OF WHERE THE PROJECT IS ACTUALLY, UH, GOING TO BE CARRIED OUT.
AND THAT IS ALONG THESE TWO FRONTAGES OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING IN THE SKY SALE COMPLEX.
UM, AND IT'S ONLY ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT BUILDING ON THOSE TWO SIDES.
SO WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THIS CORNER ESSENTIALLY, AND THE TWO SIDES GOING TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT, SHOWN IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH.
UH, AND IN THE BOTTOM ONE, IT'S, UH, ZOOM IN SHOWING WHAT THE, UH, THIS IS.
UH, THESE ARE, THESE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE BEFORE FLORENCE.
AND SO, UH, IT SHOWS WHAT IT WAS LIKE, OR A LITTLE GLIMPSE OF WHAT IT WAS LIKE BEFORE FLORENCE DAMAGED THE, THE, BASICALLY THE CEILING OR THE SOFFIT AREA OF THIS, UM, EITHER PORCH, YOU COULD CALL IT A PORCH OR MAYBE AN ARCADE ALONG THE, THE FRONT OF THESE TWO SIDES OF THIS BUILDING.
THE APPLICANTS PROVIDED THIS PHOTOGRAPH.
AND THIS IS HELPFUL IN ONE RESPECT THAT, UH, OR MORE HELPFUL IN ONE RESPECT IN THAT IT HAS, IT SHOWS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PHOTOGRAPH A CURVED OUT PORTION, WHICH WE'LL SEE HERE IN A SECOND TO HELP UNDERSTAND WHERE THESE PHOTOS ARE COMING FROM.
UH, AND THE, UM, UH, THE SHOTS THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT.
WE'LL BE LOOKING TO THE LEFT OR SOUTHWARD OR, UM, STRAIGHT INTO THE PHOTOGRAPH TOWARDS THAT CURVED ONE, WHICH IS WESTWARD.
SO THESE ARE THE TWO PHOTOGRAPHS LOOKING WESTWARD.
ONE FROM THE CORNER ON THE LEFT LOOKING, UH, TOWARDS THE, UH, TOWARDS THE CURVED AREA.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE CURVED AREA SHOWN ON THE RIGHT.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE CEILING AREA TODAY, OR MORE OR LESS TODAY, RECENTLY.
AND SO THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO COVER UP.
AND THEN, UH, IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, AGAIN FROM THE CORNER LOOKING TOWARDS THE END SOUTHWARD.
AND THEN AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE END, THERE'S ANOTHER SLIGHTLY CURVED AREA IN THE CEILING THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN A, UH, AN UNCURED AREA ALL THE WAY AT THE END.
SO, UH, STAFF REQUESTS THE FULL PROJECT PACKET, WHICH INCLUDES THE APPLICATION INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, THE COMPLETED ZONING AND INSPECTIONS FORM, AND THE STAFF REPORT TO BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.
AND WE, UH, TYPICALLY IDENTIFY POTENTIAL ISSUES AND, UH, STAFF DOES NOT, UH, SEE ANY PARTICULAR, UH, ISSUES AT THIS TIME.
UH, THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT CAN, UH, UM, PROCEED AT THIS POINT.
AND, UH, WE HAVE A FEW SLIDES PROVIDED TO FACILITATE THEIR PRESENTATION IF THEY WOULD LIKE, UH, THE FULL SET OF INFORMATION WAS INCLUDED IN THE FULL PROJECT PACKET.
YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND JUST TALK BRIEFLY IF YOU'D LIKE ABOUT THE, UM, ABOUT THE PROJECT.
IT'S REALLY A VERY SIMPLE PROJECT.
OH, I GUESS I SHOULD TELL YOU, I'M CHARLES FRANCIS FOR OUR FRANCIS ARCHITECTURE.
UM, WE WERE CONTACTED ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO TO WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, ASSOCIATION TO PUT THE CEILING BACK IN PLACE THAT CAME DOWN FOLLOWING DAMAGE FROM FAR FLORENCE.
AND SO, UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN TO GO BACK WITH THE TWO BY TWO SUSPENDED, UH, CEILING, WHEREIN THE TILES ARE A PVC THAT WOULD BE WHITE, AND THE GRID WOULD BE STAINLESS STEEL.
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CAN YOU REMIND US WHEN WAS THIS, UH, STRUCTURE ORIGINALLY BUILT? BACK, WHAT, 2008? MM-HMMYEAH, AND WE WERE NOT INVOLVED WITH THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION.
WE JUST BEEN BROUGHT IN, ACTUALLY, WE WERE BROUGHT IN TO LOOK AT THE GARAGE AREA WHERE THEY'VE GOT BIRDS NESTING IN THE INSULATION
CHARLES, WE HAVE SOME OTHER, UH, IMAGES.
I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU AS WELL, GO AHEAD AND YEP.
SO SHOW THE OVERALL PLAN HERE WITH, UH, ENLARGEMENT ON THE RIGHT AND AN ENLARGEMENT FOR THE TOP PORTION WITH THE LARGE CURVED AREA.
AND WE ALSO HAVE YOUR SECTION THERE AS WELL.
WE DID IT AS TWO SEPARATE BID ITEMS SUCH THAT, UM, THEY CAN, UH, DECIDE TO GO AHEAD WITH THE FIRST BID ITEM IF THE PRICES CAME IN TOO HIGH FOR BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER, BUT PRICES CAME IN.
AND SO WE'LL BE DOING THE WHOLE PROJECT.
NOW, THIS, THIS IS THE SAME PROJECT THAT YOU TALKED WITH US, UH, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO? YES.
AND HAS ANYTHING CHANGED SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE DESIGN REVIEW? NOTHING HAS CHANGED TO DATE.
THERE ARE TWO SMALLER AREAS TOTALING ABOUT 300 SQUARE FEET FURTHER UP THE RAMP THAT IS AT THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A CHANGE ORDER ON.
BUT I HAVE NOT PRESENTED THAT TO, TO MATT YET, NOR TO MATT
BUT IT, BUT IS THAT GOING TO BE A KIND OF A SIMILAR TREATMENT WITH THE STAINLESS STEEL AND PVC PANELS? IT'S A SIMILAR TREATMENT WITH THE STAINLESS STEEL AND THE PVC PANELS.
UM, IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY OF THE BULKHEADS THAT WE WERE SHOWING ON THIS TRUCK.
AND WILL IT HAVE THAT SAME RECESSED LIGHTING? SAME RECESS LIGHTING.
I'VE GIVEN YOU MORE, UH, SLIDES MAP FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, UM, THE, THE ONES I JUST SHOWED, UH, THIS ONE WAS THE DRAWING THAT WAS PROVIDED ALSO FOR WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT.
AND IT DIDN'T HAVE ALL THOSE, UM, BULKHEADS.
UM, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HAS RECEIVED NOTICE ABOUT THIS PROJECT? WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.
UM, SO ANY, ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO ADD OR WHATEVER? I THINK IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
UM, MATT, DO YOU WANT TO GO OVER YOUR FINDINGS AND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? SURE.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT COMES FIRST.
UM, UH, AND NO OTHER OFFICIAL COMMENTS? UM, NO, THAT WAS ACTUALLY, THAT WAS THE, OUR PRESENTATION.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED TO GIVE THE, THE ANYTHING REGARDING THE, UH, STAFF REPORT.
YEAH, THAT'S BEEN ELIMINATED NOW FROM OUR PRESENTATION.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY QUESTIONS OF THE ADMINISTRATOR? UH, I AGREE WITH, WITH CHARLES, UH, THIS IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND NON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
SO CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, UM, ARE NOT AN ISSUE.
AND IT'S REALLY PUTTING BACK MATERIALS THAT WERE DESTROYED DURING, UH, HURRICANE FLORENCE IN 2018.
EVERYBODY KIND OF SAY THE SAME THING.
IT IS NON-CONTRIBUTING OF 2008, AS HE SAID.
SO CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS ARE CERTAINLY, UM, ALLOWABLE.
SO WITH THAT, COULD I HAVE A MOTION ON THAT, PLEASE? I GUESS ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE IS, MATT, WOULD THERE BE A WAY, IF YOU WANT, IF THEY WANT TO DO THOSE OTHER TWO AREAS VIA A CHANGE ORDER, IS THAT LIKELY TO GO THROUGH CONTRACT? I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THERE A WAY THAT, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT AS A CONDITION FOR HIM TO ADD A DRAWING FOR THAT AND APPROVE THAT? ASSUMING IT'S YOU, YOU STATED IT WOULD BE THE SAME MATERIALS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SAVE YOU ANOTHER PROCESS IF I CAN.
IS THERE A WAY TO ADD THAT TO THIS? SO, JOHN, OUR, OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS, A AND B OR ONE AND TWO, UM, INCLUDE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR APPLICANTS TO CHANGE THEIR, UH, DESIGN, UH, IN THE MIDST OF CONSTRUCTION.
THAT I COPY OF IF YOU LIKE, HAVE OKAY.
BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE MOTION THAT IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL AREAS.
AND WHAT'D YOU SUGGEST, CHARLES? ABOUT 300 SQUARE FEET.
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AND YOU SAID IT'S ABOUT ADDITIONAL 300 SQUARE FEET? THREE SQUARE FEET WITH THE SAME STAINLESS STEEL? SAME, SAME, SAME PANELS.I THINK UNLESS YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, WE, WE COULD INCLUDE THAT AS A, AS A PART OF THE MOTION.
JUST FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, THE GENTLEMAN HAS TENDERED A DOCUMENT THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE OR NOT.
THERE'S A DOCUMENT THAT APPEARS TO BE MAYOR MATT, PLEASE.
I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE HAS PROVIDED THAT I THINK SHOWS THE EXTENT THE, THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER.
WE JUST NEED TO HAVE SOME EVIDENCE IN THE RECORDS SURE.
UM, SO IF THE TITLE OF THE DOCUMENT, I BELIEVE THAT PART OF THAT DOCUMENT WE'VE ALREADY, WE ALREADY HAVE AS PART OF THE PACKET, THE, THE PART THAT'S ON THERE.
SO THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL PIECE FOR THAT, UH, UM, THAT'S SHOWN ON THERE.
SO, UH, ADDITIONAL DRAWING THE REST OF THE PAGE IS WHAT WE HAVE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN AND HAVE RECEIVED BEFORE.
UH, THEY'VE SIMPLY ADDED TO THAT SAME DRAWING, THESE TWO AREAS.
SO IF WE COULD PASS THAT AROUND FOR EVERYBODY'S REVIEW OF CONSIDERATION, THAT WILL GIVE US CONFIDENT EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD TO SURE.
DO WHAT I THINK YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, IT'S JUST THE SAME, AN EXTENSION OF THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, JUST IN TWO ADDITIONAL AREAS.
SO I THINK THAT THE REVIEW ON IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE REVIEW THAT WE'VE DONE TO DATE.
I WANNA DO THIS FROM PUTTING A CONDITION THEY DECIDE THEY WANNA CONTINUE THE ADDITIONAL CEILING TILES AND
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE, UM, ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION? UM, GREAT.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE, FOR SOMEONE? OKAY.
UH, A MOVE THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION, UH, FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 100 SKY SEAL BOULEVARD TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BRUNS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH FOUR 11 TO 15 DASH 4 29, AND NUMEROUS HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.
UH, BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC STANDARDS AND FINDING OF FACTS FOR APPLICABLE STANDARDS, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT THE LIST, UH, AS DOCUMENTED IN STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OR FINDINGS OF FACT.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO SUBMIT THE FINDINGS OF FACT AS DOCUMENTED IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND FOR CONDITIONS, UH, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT THE LIST OF CONDITIONS AS DOCUMENTED IN STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH ONE MODIFICATION.
UH, ONE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT, UH, IF THEY DEC IF THE, UH, APPLICANT CON DECIDES TO CONTINUE THE ADDITIONAL AREA FOR CEILING TILES, TILES, UH, IT CAN BE DONE AS AN AMENDMENT SUBMITTED TO THE COAE ADMINISTRATOR, UH, ASSUMING THEY'RE USING THE SAME MATERIALS.
IT'S BEEN, CAN I, CAN I REQUEST IT NOT BE AN AMENDMENT? WE DON'T EVEN HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE AN APPROVED COA YET, SO IT'S JUST PART OF THE, THIS APPROVAL.
SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND MR. FRANCIS CAN CORRECT ME, UM, THE APPLICATION THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING TONIGHT HAS BEEN MODIFIED DURING THE HEARING TO INCLUDE THAT ADDITIONAL AREA THAT WAS DEPICTED ON THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU ALL SAW.
SO WHAT YOU ARE APPROVING TONIGHT IS THAT ENTIRE SECTION OKAY.
NOW, IF, IF, UH, AND, UM, ON THE CHANCE THAT THEY DECIDE NOT TO DO THAT APPROVAL OF THE WHOLE, INCLUDING THAT IF THEY DECIDE NOT TO DO THAT OTHER SECTION, THE OTHER PARTS WOULD STILL BE FINE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO DO, DO YOU WANNA MODIFY YOUR MOTION TO, UH, NOT BE AN AMENDMENT, BUT TO INCLUDE THE WHOLE, WHAT WE HAD IN THE PACKET, PLUS THAT ADDITIONAL TWO AREAS, TOTALING 300 SQUARE FEET AS AN APPROVAL FOR THE, THE COA AND NOT TO HAVE AN AMENDMENT FOR TO, TO GO TO THE ADMINISTRATOR? JUST A, A NOTIFICATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S GO FORWARD? YEAH.
UH, THAT, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE DONE AS A CONDITION.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHAT WE'RE APPROVING TONIGHT,
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UH, INCLUDES, UM, WHAT CHARLES FRANCIS, UH, SUBMITTED AS AN ADDENDUM TO THE APPLICATION.JAMIE, DOES THAT COVER IT? YES, SIR.
WHOEVER SECONDED THAT, WILL THEY SECOND? OKAY.
SO, UM, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSIONERS? GREAT.
CAN I GET A MOTION ON TO ISSUE A COA FOR THIS APPLICATION? SO SECOND.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AND A MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA BOTH PASSED.
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TO FOUR 11 EAST FRONT STREET.AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GREAT TONIGHT IS WE'RE NOT MAKING YOU GUYS WAIT AN HOUR,
SO, FOLLOWING THE SAME THING, MATT, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW ON THIS ONE? YES.
SO THIS PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE ADDITIONS TO THE CONTRIBUTING HOUSE AND TO THE NON-CONTRIBUTING GARAGE IN THE TERTIARY.
A BC STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICATION TO BE DETERMINED TO BE COMPLETE.
THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE IS TO BE PRESENT, AND THEY ARE, UH, THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
UM, THIS IS IN FACT THE ZONING PERMIT THAT WOULD, HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR THIS PROJECT ALREADY.
AND SO THE ZONING INSPECTIONS REPORT INDICATES THAT THE ZONING PERMIT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS INDICATED THIS PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, BUILDING AND FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMITS REQUIRED.
UM, SO JUST QUICKLY, THE APPLICATION ITSELF, THE APPLICANT IS TON RAINS CONSTRUCTION PROPERTY OWNER IS HEATHER GREENLAW.
THE LOCATION'S FOUR LEBANESE FRONT STREET.
THE STATUS IS A CONTRIBUTING HOUSE BUILT 1925, AND A NON-CONTRIBUTING GARAGE BUILT CIRCA 1999.
THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION, UH, IN 2003, UH, FOR THE HOUSE IS TWO AND A HALF STORIES.
TEA PLAN, BRICK, FIRST LEVEL PALLADIAN WINDOW IN THE RIGHT FRONT BAY, RECESSED FRONT PORCH, EXTERIOR AND CHIMNEY, QUARTER ROUND ATTIC WINDOWS, AND CLIPPED GABLE ROOFS.
UH, FOR SAND BECK, UH, IT WAS QUITE A BIT MORE, UH, THE EXCERPTS FROM THAT I CAN JUST EVEN PULL OUT FROM THE EXCERPTS, THE UNDERLINED PIECES, UH, HE MENTIONS BRICK, VENEERED AND SHINGLE, THE SHINGLE AND COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLES.
UH, THE HIGHLY ARTICULATED ROOF LINE, THE REPEATED USE OF CLIFF GABLES, UH, CONTRASTING BRICK VENEERED FIRST STORY AND SHINGLE UPPER STORIES PRODUCE IN EFFECT REMINISCENT OF THE SHINGLE STYLE AND COLONIAL REVIVAL MOTIFS CAN BE SEEN HERE, INCLUDING THE USE OF THE LUNETTE ATTIC WINDOWS, A ROUND HEADED WINDOW ON THE, ON THE EAST ELEVATION AND A PALLADIAN WINDOW.
SO, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS NOT THE WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
IT IS THE TIGHT WEED, UH, PATTERN.
SO, UH, WE HAVE OUR AERIAL, UH, SHOWING, UH, THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY, UH, AND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
UH, THE BUILDING AT THE BOTTOM IS GONE, AND IT'S NOW A CONSTRUCTION SITE FOR PARKING LOT, UH, THE OTHER HOMES.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE NEIGHBOR IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH IS QUITE CLOSE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER HOMES ALONG NEW STREET, UH, AND OH, AND ALSO THE PROXIMITY TO THE, TO THE NOOSE RIVER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
UH, THE, UH, CLOSE UP HERE SHOWS THE TWO AREAS OF THE SITE WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE, UM, IS PROPOSED TO HAPPEN.
UH, THE HOUSE ITSELF ON THE RIGHT HERE AND THE ADDITION TO THE HOUSE THERE, AND THEN, UH, THE GARAGE IS THE SQUARE WITH A CIRCLE ON IT, AND THEY'RE ADDING A SECOND FLOOR TO THAT GARAGE.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT, UM, SHOWING, UH, THE ENTIRE OF THE SITE, MANY OF THE FEATURES OF THE SITE.
UH, AND IF WE NEED TO REFER TO THAT, WE CAN.
BUT, UM, ZOOMING IN, WE SEE THE PROPOSED EDITION HERE IN PINK, AND THEN THE BLUE SQUARE ON THE LEFT, UH, REPRESENTING THE GARAGE, WHICH WILL THEN HAVE A SECOND FLOOR.
UM, THIS ALSO TO POINT OUT SHOWS THE PORCH IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE GARAGE AND, UH, FACES THE HOUSE ITSELF.
UH, IT'S AN IMPORTANT ORIENTING, UH, FEATURE.
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OF, UH, PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT ONE FIRST TO THE FRONT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE STYLE AND CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE ITSELF.THEN ALONG THE NORTH SIDE, UH, THE WAY THE, UH, BRICK IS, UH, FIRST FLOOR AND THE SHINGLES ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THE CHARACTER OF THE WINDOWS, ET CETERA.
THEN, UH, ON THE BACK, UM, AGAIN, WE SEE NOW THE, UM, GABLE END AND THE, UH, BRICK ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SHINGLES ON THE SECOND.
AND, UH, A VAGUE OUTLINE OF WHERE THE ADDITION'S GOING TO GO IN YELLOW.
AND THEN THE LO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE FOURTH, OR YES, THE FOURTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UM, THAT THEY PROVIDED JUST THE BACK CORNER.
THE, UH, ADDITION WILL BE ATTACHING ONTO THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT PHOTOGRAPH.
UM, AND WE'LL SEE THAT ALL THE, THIS WINDOW HERE, THIS DOUBLE WINDOW HERE IN THE ELEVATIONS.
SO THE ELEVATIONS PROVIDED, UM, SHOW THE ENTIRE HOUSE.
UH, PLUS THEN THE ADDITION NOW CIRCLED ON THE RIGHT, UH, ADDED TO THE, UM, ADDED TO THE WEST OF THE BUILDING.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE IT ALSO HAS A CLIPPED, UH, GABLE END ROOF THERE.
UH, THE WINDOWS ARE VERY SIMILAR.
IT'S USING THE SAME, UH, SHINGLES AND THE SAME BRICKWORK.
UM, AND THESE ALSO NOW HA THEY'VE NOW ADDED THE, UM, THE FLOOD VENTS AT THE, IN THE FOUNDATION AND THE STEPS ON THE REAR TO THE RIGHT THERE.
WE'LL SEE MORE OF THAT IN A MINUTE.
BUT THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA AS TO HOW IT, ITS COMPATIBILITY WITH THIS CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING HOUSE.
THEN LOOKING FROM THE REAR, UM, YOU CAN SEE IT IS MOSTLY SHINGLES HERE WITH THE, UH, BRICK FOUNDATION AND TWO, UH, FLOOD BENDS THERE.
UH, THERE'S A PAIR OF, UM, WOODEN DOORS, UH, AND IT HAS, UH, MOUNTAINS IN IT THAT ARE THE 3D GRILLS INSIDE AND OUT.
UH, THE, THIS FACADE ALSO HAS A HALF, UH, CIRCLE WINDOW IN IT, SIMILAR TO THE, UH, HOUSE ITSELF, WHICH YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE.
UH, AND THEN, UM, THEY HAVE SOME NOTES THAT I'VE NEGLECTED TO POINT OUT ON THE LAST ONE.
BUT, UH, THE, UH, THE SHAKES ARE PAINTED WOOD SIDING TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE.
UH, THE, UM, ROOFING IS ASPHALT SHINGLE TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE, UH, AND THE BRICK MASONRY IS TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE, AND THAT IS TYPICAL ON ALL THREE SIDES, THIS BEING THE THIRD SIDE.
AND, UH, SIMILAR TO THE OTHER SIDE, UH, IN, IN SIZE, SHAPE, AND STYLE.
UH, THE WINDOWS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ON THIS SIDE IN THEIR LOCATION, BUT, UH, THEY ALL STILL HAVE THE SIX OVER SIX CONFIGURATION THAT IS FOUND THROUGHOUT, UM, THE HOUSE ITSELF, AND NOW ALSO ON THE ADDITION.
AND, UH, AS I, AS I PROMISED EARLIER, UM, THE DOUBLE WINDOWS SHOWN HERE AS WELL, UH, ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS DESIGN HERE.
UH, AND THAT'S, UM, TO GIVE YOU SOME ORIENTATION AS TO HOW IT'S GOING TO ATTACH TO THE HOUSE.
UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS TO POINT OUT IS, UH, THAT THE ADDITION DOES, UH, POKE OUT, UH, TO THE SOUTH A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE CORNER OF THE EXISTING HOUSE.
IT'S ACTUALLY THREE, SORRY, 3.8 FEET.
UH, AND IT STILL MAINTAINS THE FIVE FOOT MINIMUM SETBACK, UM, FOR THE PROPERTY TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO ALL THOSE CONDITIONS ARE MET NOW, WE'LL GO TO THE, UH, GARAGE, UM, AND THE GARAGE.
THIS IS, THESE ARE NOW A COUPLE OF PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING GARAGE.
THIS SHOWING OBVIOUSLY THE PORCH ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE GARAGE, UH, AND THE ENTRYWAY WAS THERE AS WELL.
THEN, UH, NOW ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE IS THE LARGE GARAGE, DOUBLE GARAGE DOOR.
AND THEN ON THE WEST SIDE, THIS IS THE WEST, THE GABLE ON THE WEST END.
UM, ALL VERY SIMILAR STYLE TO THE EXISTING HOUSE WITH THE BRICK ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP OF THE FIRST LEVEL.
AND THEN THE SHINGLES ON THERE.
AND THERE'S EVEN A VENT THAT HAS A HALF CIRCLE.
SO THE PROPOSAL FOR THE, UM, GARAGE IS TO ADD THE SEC, THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND, UM, THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS, THE PLANS AND ELEVATIONS FOR THAT.
UM, AND THE UPPER LEFT HERE, THIS IS, UH, LOOKING AT THE GARAGE FROM THE PORCH.
UH, AND SO ABOVE THE ROOF OF THE PORCH, THERE'LL BE A WINDOW, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE GABLE,
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UH, FACING IN THAT DIRECTION WITH A CLIPPED CORNER.AND ALL, UH, ALL FOUR OF THE GABLES HERE HAVE CLIPPED CORNERS ON THIS, ON THE GARAGE.
UH, THE UPPER RIGHT ONE IS THEN FROM THE, UH, THE REAR, SO THE WEST, UH, ELEVATION OF THE, OF THE GARAGE, UH, WITH ONE WINDOW, NEW WINDOW IN THE TOP.
THEN OVER THE GARAGE DOORS, WHICH IS NOW FACING NORTH.
UH, THERE IS BASICALLY A DORMER, UH, A LARGE DORMER SIZE CONSTRUCTION ON THIS SIDE, WHICH THEN HAS THE THREE WINDOWS ON THIS SIDE.
AND THEN ON THE SIDE FACING THE PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH, UH, WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME, UH, AS THE, UH, SIDE FACING THE NORTH.
UM, THE ONLY THE OTHER, UH, CHANGE HERE IS THEY WILL HAVE TO REMOVE THE, UH, PORCH ROOF IN ORDER TO, UM, UH, CONSTRUCT THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, OR AT LEAST, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER IT AND MAY INCLUDE SOME NEW ROOFING.
UM, AND THEY HAVE SHOWN ALSO, UH, FLOOD VENTS ON, UH, BOTH THE, UH, NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDES, UH, OF THE BUILDING, UM, INCLUDING FOUR IN THE ACTUAL GARAGE DOOR.
SO WE REQUEST THE FULL PACKET, PROJECT PACKET, UH, TO BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.
AND WE HAD ONE POTENTIAL ISSUE, WELL, TWO, I THINK I HAVE TWO LISTED HERE.
ONE WAS, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE FLOODPLAIN, AND THIS IS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT, UM, HARD TO UNDERSTAND, BUT IN PLAN VIEW OR IN SITE PLAN VIEW, UH, THE ADDITION HERE, SHOWN IN YELLOW, UH, TO THE HOUSE, ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, UM, WOULD PROJECT INTO THIS, UM, MOG V PURPLISH AREA, UH, WHICH REPRESENTS AN AREA WITH, UH, CALLED COASTAL ASOME, UH, WHICH HAS MODERATE WAVE ACTION, UH, AND CAN BE, UM, A SOMEWHAT MORE SERIOUS ISSUE THAN, THAN A TYPICAL, UH, THE BEING IN THE BLUE AREA.
AND, UH, HOWEVER, SINCE THE ADDITION IS A NON SUBSTANTIAL SIZE ON A PRE 1975 STRUCTURE, THE PROPOSED FOUNDATION, UH, IS ALLOWED.
UH, AND THAT'S ACCORDING TO OUR, UH, OUR FLIP PLANE ADMINISTRATOR, UH, WHO IS ALSO OUR CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR.
AND HE'S HERE THIS EVENING IF, IF WE NEED TO ASK HIM ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
AND ESSENTIALLY, FLOOD VENTS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE DESIGN, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, UH, JUST MISSING A FEW NOTES.
UH, THE MATERIAL FOR THE STEPS AT THE REAR DOOR, THE ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, THE MATERIAL FOR THE HALF CIRCLE WINDOW, UH, THE PITCH OF THE ROOFS ON BOTH THE HOUSE ADDITION AND ON THE GARAGE ADDITION, UM, AREN'T SHOWN.
UH, THEY, I MEAN, UH, THEY'RE DRAWN AT ITS SPECIFIC, UH, PITCH, BUT THEY'RE NOT LABELED.
UM, AND I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE JUST SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING HOUSE COULD SUFFICE, UH, AND THE NARROW WINDOWS ON THE GARAGE COULD MAYBE BE TWO OVER TWO.
UM, UH, CAN WE TALK, THEY SEEM TO BE VERY SMALL, SO WHY TWO OVER TWO? UM, CAN WE GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ONE? YEAH, IF I GO BACK UP THERE, SO YOU CAN SEE LIKE ON THE GARAGE HERE, THEY LOOK VERY, UM, VERY TALL AND SKINNY JUST TO BE SIX OVER SIX, UH, AS OPPOSED TO BEING A MORE REASONABLE PROPORTION.
AND THE SAME THING HAPPENS ON THE ADDITION, I THINK.
UH, BUT ISN'T THERE, ISN'T THERE A SIMILAR WINDOW ON THE HOUSE ON THAT NORTH FACE? YES.
SO HERE, THERE'S, UH, TWO OVER TWOS ON THESE RIGHT HERE.
THOSE ARE TWO OVER TWOS EXISTING.
THEY'RE NOT SIX OVER SIXES, NO.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME SMALLER ONES THAT APPARENTLY ARE SIX OVER SIX HERE, BUT THEY ARE MORE RECTANGULAR.
I MEAN, NOT SO TALL, UH, PROPORTION.
UM, AND, AND BY THE WAY, ARE THOSE WINDOWS, UM, ARE THEY FLAT WINDOWS OR ARE THEY PROJECTING? THEY'RE FLAT.
SO, UM, APPLICANT NOW HAS OPPORT, ALRIGHT.
UM, THEY WOULD APPLICANT OR REPRESENT, UH, I DO REMEMBER THAT WE, UM, DO NEED AT SOME POINT TO WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING UP TO THE AND INTRODUCING YOURSELF, PLEASE.
HEY, I'M GEORGE ZA ZARE CONSTRUCTION.
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YOU.SO YOU HEARD WHAT, WHAT, UH, MATT HAD TO HAVE, MATT HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE APPLICATION.
IS THERE, UM, ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, UM, BEFORE PEOPLE START ASKING QUESTIONS? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO.
MATT, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD BEFORE, UM, WERE THERE ANY CONCERNS THAT YOU HAD ON THIS, UM, AS, AS PART OF YOUR ANALYSIS? JUST THOSE ONES THAT WERE NOTED THERE? YES, THAT'S IT.
SO TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE, WE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN FIRST.
AND I, I SAW THAT YOU ADDED THE, THE, THE FLOOD VENTS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DESIGN REVIEW.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS FLOODPLAIN REQUIREMENTS.
SO THEN MAYBE WE'LL HAVE TO SWITCH SPOTS THERE, BUT ARE, ARE, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THAT THIS IS A NONS SUBSTANTIAL ON A PREEXISTING, THAT, THAT THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE NEEDED WOULD BE FLOOD VENTS, NO OTHER ELEVATIONS OR, OR NO OTHER CONSTRUCTION THINGS? MR. CHAIR, BEFORE MR. BOSWELL TESTIFIES, WE'LL NEED TO HAVE HIM SWORN.
CAN, CAN YOU COME UP PLEASE? I KNOW IT'S ANNOYING, BUT WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY? YES, SIR.
AND, AND YOU MIND INTRODUCING YOURSELF? UH, MATT BOSWELL, CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR AND FLOOD PLAN ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE CITY OF NEWBURN.
SO, SO MATT, YOU'VE, YOU'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THIS.
CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, SO WE HAVE BETTER UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE, THE PROPOSED ADDITION, HOW IT FITS INTO COASTAL LAKE? SURE.
SO, UH, A LATERAL ADDITION TO A PRE FIRM STRUCTURE THAT IS NOT A SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT.
UM, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO MEET ALL OF OUR CURRENT FLOOD REGULATIONS.
I THINK THE, UH, THE BOOK ANSWER IS, I'M SORRY, WE HAD THIS PULLED UP.
UM, IT MUST BE DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE FLOOD DAMAGE AND BE NO MORE NONCONFORMING THAN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
SO YES, I, WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED.
UM, SO, SO THE ELEVATION'S OKAY.
AS IT, AND WITH, WITH JUST THE ADDITION OF THOSE FLOOD VENTS, THEN YOU'RE COMFORTABLE THAT THIS MEETS THE YEAH.
BUT SO THE, THE DETACHED GARAGE AND THE ADDITION ARE, ARE REALLY TWO SEPARATE PIECES.
UM, YEAH, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU ABOUT THAT ONE NEXT.
BUT YOU GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT, SO WE, WITH THAT, THE EXISTING HOUSE IS A CONVENTIONAL CRAWL SPACE CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT FLOOD VENTS.
SO AS LONG AS THE ADDITION IS, YOU KNOW, CRAWL SPACE CONSTRUCTION, THE FINISHED FLOOR IS NO LOWER THAN THE EXISTING HOUSE AND THE PROPER FLOOD VENTS ARE A, IT WOULD BE A COMPLY STRUCTURE.
UM, FOR THE GARAGE, IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, IT IS NOT IN THAT COASTAL WAY, FLOOD ZONE.
SO IT'S JUST A REGULAR AD FLOOD ZONE.
UM, PARKING, STORAGE AND BUILDING ACCESS ARE ALLOWED USES BELOW THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.
SO AS LONG AS THAT FIRST FLOOR REMAIN PARKING AND THE COMPLIANT FLOOD VENTS WERE ADDED, UH, ONE SQUARE ENGINE VENT PER SQUARE FOOT OF ENCLOSURE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE A COMPLIANT SECONDARY STRUCTURE.
AND, AND, AND YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS, THE ELEVATION, I'M, I'M ASSUMING ON THAT, ON THAT SECOND FLOOR IS, IS ABOVE WAY ABOVE, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
NOW, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BOSWELL? AWESOME, THANKS VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT, GEORGE, NOW YOU GOTTA COME BACK.
SO A COUPLE THINGS THAT, THAT WERE, WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, AND, UM, I THINK YOU'VE ADDED SOME OF THOSE ON ONTO THE DRAWINGS AND, AND JUST TALKED ABOUT IT.
BUT THE STEPS THAT, THAT YOU'VE ADDED THERE, UM, WHAT KIND OF MATERIAL ARE THOSE? THEY'LL BE BRICK.
TO THE SAME BRICK, I'M ASSUMING AS MM-HMM
AND THE COLUMNS THAT ARE ON THE, THE PORT, THE, UH, PORCH OF THE GARAGE, ARE THOSE COLUMNS GONNA REMAIN OR ARE YOU PUTTING, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU OR SOMEONE SAID YOU MAY HAVE TO DO SOME WORK ON THE, ON THE ROOF TO KIND OF TIE IT IN.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON REUSING THE SAME COLUMNS? WE WILL, YEAH.
WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE, AS YOU KNOW, MUCH OF THAT STUFF AS WE CAN.
UM, THERE WERE, UH, THE LOCATIONS OF THE WINDOWS, I, I HAVE NOTES FROM, FROM, WE MET DESIGN REVIEW, UM, UM, MATT NOTED MAYBE HAVING TWO BY TWOS ON THOSE WINDOWS.
I'M ASSUMING THOSE WINDOWS, YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO HAVE TO MATCH WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE HOUSE.
SO WHATEVER'S ON THE HOUSE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PREPARED TO, TO GO WITH.
SO IF THEY'RE, IF THOSE HOUSES ARE, ARE, ARE TWO OVER ONE, TWO OVER TWO IS THAT'S WHAT THEY, THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK THEY ARE ON THAT? WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE DRAWING SHOWS ANYWAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PHOTO OF THAT, OF THAT NORTH SIDE BECAUSE IT SHOWED THE HOUSE IN BETWEEN THERE.
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THEY ARE TWO OVER TWO.IT'S ASHES, I MEAN, IS THAT TWO OVER TWO OR FOUR OVER? IT'S FOUR OVER FOUR, SORRY.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE FRONT AS WELL.
AND EVEN THE, THE TALL SKINNY ONES ARE FOUR, I THINK.
WELL, I THINK YOUR DRAWINGS AND WE SHOULD PUT IN IT SHOULD MATCH WHATEVER'S ON, ON THE HOUSE.
AND I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BASED ON YOUR STANDARDS FOR, FOR WINDOWS TO DO SO.
UM, AND THE MATERIALS, I, I THINK YOU'VE NOTED YOU'RE GONNA BE USING THE SAME MATERIALS, UM, BOTH THE BRICK AND THE, UH, SHINGLES AS AS WHAT'S ON THE HOUSE.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE NOTES TO THAT.
UM, MATT, YOU PROBABLY HAVE SOME, UH, BETTER NOTES, BUT HAS EVERYTHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT DESIGN REVIEW, DO THESE DRAWINGS SHOW EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT? UH, YES.
UM, UH, THERE WAS, LEMME LEMME JUST CHECK THIS ONCE MORE.
I, THIS ONE, UM, EVERYTHING I THINK EXCEPT FOR THE FLOOD PLAIN, WHICH WE HEARD ABOUT.
I THINK EVERYTHING WAS COVERED ON THE DRAWINGS.
I ASSUME THEY WEREN'T ADDING ANY LIGHTING, BUT ON THE GARAGE, WILL YOU BE ADDING LIGHTING ON THE GARAGE? NO.
AND HOW ABOUT ON THE ADDITION? WILL THERE BE SOME OUTSIDE LIGHTS NEAR THE BACK DOOR ON THAT WE HAVEN'T PLANNED, BUT POSSIBLY A LIGHT ON AT THE BACK DOOR? SO, UM, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO ADD THAT SURE.
TO AS AN AMENDMENT OR, UH, AFTER, AFTER THE APPROVAL BECAUSE, UH, EXTERIOR LIGHTING IS MINOR WORK.
SO BE, HAVE, BESIDES HAVING A LIGHT OR, OR SCONCES OR SOMETHING ON, ON THE BACK, WHICH, UM, WOULD BE FINE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT, UM, YOU THINK MIGHT BE ADDED TO THE PROJECT THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT NOW INSTEAD OF HAVING YOU HAVE TO COME BACK? OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR, UM, APPLICANT? UH, I, I, I ASKED THIS LAST TIME, I, I'LL ASK IT AGAIN JUST SO IT'S IN THE RECORD.
UH, THE, THE TREE THAT'S CLOSE TO THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE, UH, YOU'LL, ARE YOU INTENDING TO REMOVE THAT OR, OR LEAVE IT? UH, WE'RE LEAVING THAT.
UH, YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO DO SOME TRIMMING ON IT, BUT THAT'S, YEAH.
THE, THE, THE SLOPE ON THE PORCH ROOF, THAT'S STILL GONNA BE THE SAME SLOPE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO SOME FRIENDLY.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO IS, UH, IF YOU'RE A MEMBER OF OUR DESIGN REVIEW, ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR, UM, DISCUSSIONS WAS ON THE STRUCTURE ITSELF BEING CONTRIBUTING, NON-CONTRIBUTING.
AND SO, UM, SINCE WE CAN'T REALLY MAKE DECISIONS AT THE DESIGN REVIEW, WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO DO THAT INITIALLY BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PROJECT.
SO, MR. CHAIR, HAVE YOU CONCLUDED THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY OH, I'M SORRY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UM, I, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD? ANY ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? NO.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HAS BEEN GIVEN NOTICE OF THIS PROJECT WHO WOULD LIKE TO TALK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HAS, BELIEVES THEY HAVE STANDING WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? OKAY, GREAT.
THANK YOU VERY FOR REMINDING ME.
NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT, UH, THE, UM, CONTRIBUTING OR NON-CONTRIBUTING STATUS OF THE, UH, GARAGE.
UH, I, I'LL, I'LL REPEAT WHAT I, UH, REPEATED IN THE, IN THE WORK SESSION ON THIS PROJECT.
UH, I WENT IN THE, I WENT TO THE PROPERTY WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER'S PERMISSION, WALKED AROUND THE, UH, GARAGE.
UH, THE MASONRY IS NEW BRICK, UH, THE PORTLAND MORTAR.
UH, THEY DID A GOOD JOB OF WHOEVER BUILT THE GARAGE.
DID A GOOD JOB OF MATCHING THE, UH, NEW BRICKS WITH THE OLD BRICKS ON THE HOUSE.
UH, IT HAS CONTEMPORARY WINDOWS AND, UH, A DOOR ON THE GARAGE.
THE ACTUAL GARAGE DOOR WHERE YOU PULL IN VEHICLES, UH, IS CONTEMPORARY MATERIAL THAT'S EITHER VINYL OR ALUMINUM.
I DIDN'T REALLY NOTICE WHICH, UH, THE ROOF STRUCTURE IS NEW WOOD.
UH, THERE IS A DRY, A DRYWALL CEILING IN THE GARAGE, BUT THERE'S SOME PULL DOWN STEPS,
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UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S ALL, UH, MODERN CONSTRUCTION.UH, THE FLOOR IN THE GARAGE IS A, IS A NEW CONCRETE PAD.
SO, UH, MY BEST GUESS IS THAT GARAGE WAS PROBABLY BUILT IN THE 1990S.
UH, FROM MY STANDPOINT, THE OLDEST THING THAT I COULD FIND IN THAT GARAGE WAS ME STANDING THERE.
SO WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, BASED ON THAT EVIDENCE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PUT A MOTION OUT THERE THAT, UH, CONFIRMS THAT THIS, UH, YES, THAT THIS GARAGE IS A NON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS GARAGE IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE BASED ON THE, UH, BASED ON THE OBSERVATIONS THAT I HAVE JUST STATED.
HAS BEEN MOTION SECOND THAT THIS, UH, THAT THE GARAGE STRUCTURE BE DEEMED A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
ALL IN FAVOR? A OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, GREAT.
OKAY, SO BASED ON THAT, UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT ON EITHER THE ADDITION TO THE HOUSE OR ON THE, UM, SECOND FLOOR TO THE GARAGE PROJECT? BEAUTIFUL WORK.
IT WASN'T REALLY A QUESTION, BUT
COULD I GET A MOTION ON THE FOUR LEBAN EAST FRONT STREET, PLEASE? NO TANKERS.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR FOUR 11 EAST FRONT STREET, UH, OF THE APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR FOUR 11 EAST FRONT STREET TO BE NOT INC.
BEFORE YOU START, IS THAT THE RIGHT ADDRESS? FOUR 11? YEAH.
BECAUSE ON ONE OF THE THINGS, IT HAS THREE 12, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS CORRECT.
UH, SO FOR FOUR 11 EAST FRONT STREET, UH, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INC.
WITH NEWMAN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH FOUR 11 TO 15 DASH 4 29, AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING STANDARDS AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, I'D LIKE FOR THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT THE LIST OF STANDARDS, UH, AS DOCUMENTED IN STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FINDINGS OF FACT.
I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT THE FINDINGS OF FACT AS DOCUMENTED IN STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN FOR CONDITIONS, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT THE LIST OF CONDITIONS, UH, AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS MOTION.
GOTTA GET A MOTION ON AN ISSUANCE OF A COA.
SO WE GOT THE, UM, THE APPLICATION AND THE COA TO BE ISSUED.
IF YOU DO HAVE ANY CHANGES, AS, AS THE CONDITION SAYS, YOU JUST NEED TO LET MATT KNOW, UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ON THERE.
AND, AND IF AND WHEN YOU DO DECIDE THE LIGHTING, YOU CAN LET HIM KNOW WHAT THAT LIGHTING PLAN'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AS WIFE.
NOW THAT WE'VE DONE THE COAS, UH, APPLICATIONS, UM, WHOLE
[5.A. Information on the Historic District Design Principles and Standards Update ]
BUSINESS, UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW AT OUR DESIGN REVIEW, WE, UH, HOPEFULLY, UM, DISCUSSED ALL OF THE, THE LAST OF THE COMMENTS ON, ON THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS.AND SO NOW WE CAN START GOING THROUGH AND START REVISING THOSE STANDARDS, UM, SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT 'EM ONE LAST TIME BEFORE THEY, WE APPROVE THEM AND MOVE THEM ON TO, UM, PMZ.
DON'T KNOW THE TIMEFRAME ON THAT, BUT WE WILL BE DOING SO IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? BY THE WAY, I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD DISCUSSION, EVERYBODY.
ANY NEW BUSINESS, MATT? OH, WELL YOU, DID YOU WANT TO ALSO MENTION THE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AWARDS PROGRAM UPDATE STILL UNDER OLD BUSINESS?
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JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT.WHERE IS IT? I JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT.
I HEARD TIMEFRAME TO BE DETERMINED.
TIMEFRAME TO BE DETERMINED, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE, UH, THIS DISCUSSION AT THE DESIGN REVIEW WAS ALL THE FINAL COMMENTS.
WE'VE NOW GONE THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS.
HOW ABOUT THE AWARDS PROGRAM? AWARDS.
IS THAT IN MY OLD BUSINESS?
I HAVE THAT ONE ON MY, ON THE, FROM THE CHAIR ON COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.
SORRY, MR. CHAIR, I NEED TO, I'M SORRY TO BE EXCUSED.
I JUST GOT CALLED INTO THE HOSPITAL FOR EXAM, SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT SEEMS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN TALKING ABOUT THIS.
THAT'S A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE, THE, THE PER THE SCREENS AND THE, THE ACTUAL AGENDA.
UM, I'LL, IF YOU, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AT THE, AT THE END DURING COMMISSION OH, OKAY.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? NO NEW BUSINESS.
SO THIS IS TIME FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? I HAVE ONE PERSON, SINCE WE ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON IN THE AUDIENCE AND HE DECLINES, I, WE'LL MOVE ON.
[8. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT ]
DO WE WANT TO GIVE YOUR REPORT? SURE.SO, UH, IN THE PAST MONTH, WE HAVE NOT DENIED ANY MAJOR COAS.
UM, THEN MOVING TO, UH, ONES THAT WERE APPROVED OR EXTENSIONS OR AMENDMENTS, WE ONLY HAD THE ONE FOR 2 0 5 KING STREET, THE, UH, PATIO ROOF EDITION, UH, AND THE TERTIARY A, B, C 'CAUSE TAPE.
UH, AND THEN, UH, WHICH WAS WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT A MOMENT AGO.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THE REPORT ON THE MINOR COAS THAT ARE ISSUED, WE ISSUED FIVE IN THE PAST MONTH, UH, LISTED THERE.
WE HAVE THREE NEW MINOR COA APPLICATIONS, ALTHOUGH SINCE THIS WAS PUBLISHED, THE APP, THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED.
I HAVE ABOUT FIVE MORE, UH, THAT CAME IN IN THE PAST THREE DAYS.
AND THEN, UH, FOUR COAS TO BE ISSUED SOON AND 26 WAITING FOR INFORMATION FROM APPLICANTS.
UM, BEFORE YOU WENT ON ME, GO ON.
UM, I SAW THERE WAS SOME CORRESPONDENCE ON KING STREET, ON THAT PATIO.
IS IT, HAS THAT, HAS THAT BEEN RESOLVED? I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE FASTENING SYSTEM, RIGHT.
THAT WAS BASED ON, THAT HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED AS YET.
UH, AND THEN D OTHER ITEMS, UM, WHICH, UH, USUALLY INCLUDES OUR VIOLATIONS OR PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT CASES RESOLVED, UH, NONE THIS MONTH.
UM, OUR HPC MEMBER TERMS HAVE, UH, FINALLY, FINALLY BEEN RESOLVED.
UH, GREGORY RUSH RUSH WAS REAPPOINTED FOR HIS SECOND TERM ON AUGUST 11TH AND PRESERVATION NC CONFERENCE IS COMING UP.
UH, THE 2026 CONFERENCE WOULD BE IN HIGH POINT ON OCTOBER 25 TO 27.
WILL YOU BE GOING? UH, I THINK THAT IS TBD, BUT, UH,
UH, AND THEN, UH, BUT, UM, ISN'T THERE ONE COMING UP JUST, UH, NEXT WEEK IN, UM, CHAPEL HILL? OH, SO YES.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A CONFERENCE, I GUESS THEY CALL IT A WORKSHOP, AND IT'S JUST BEING PUT ON BY CHAPEL HILL.
THIS, UH, PRESERVATION NC CONFERENCE IS A STATEWIDE CONFERENCE THAT LAST SEVERAL DAYS.
IT'S KIND OF A TYPICAL CONFERENCE.
THE ONE IN CHAPEL HILL THOUGH, UM, IS MOSTLY AN AFTERNOON AND EVENING, UH, EVENT.
AND THEY ARE DOING SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE JUST DID, UH, LAST WEEK, WHERE THEY WILL HAVE, HOWEVER, A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS, UH, TO SPEAK ABOUT IMPORTANCE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES, UM, THAT I'M MENTIONED BEFORE.
UM, INCLUDING, UH, HAVING, INCLUDING, UH, SEVERAL EXPERTS ON THOSE VARIOUS SUBJECTS.
SO, UM, AND, AND THE, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, UM, THE, UH, THE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
SO THERE WAS NOTHING RESOLVED.
UM, THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, THE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT GROUP, UM, THEY'RE STILL MEETING ON A REGULAR BASIS.
SO THIS WASN'T FOR LACK OF TRYING NO, THAT'S RIGHT.
AND, UH, WE, WE'VE PROGRESSED THROUGH YET ANOTHER, UM, MONTH'S WORTH OF, UH, OF WORK ON ANY OF THE APPROXIMATELY 25 TO 30 PROPERTIES THAT WE REVIEW EVERY MONTH.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S A PREVENTION BY DEMOLITION.
IT'S A WATCH LIST, REALLY, AS MUCH AS IT'S OFFICIAL.
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BUT THEN WE HAVE INVESTIGATIONS BASED ON WHAT WE SEE.THAT COVERS THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE GAMUT.
FROM FROM JUST BEING NOTIFIED TO THE, TO THE HARDCORE CASES.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, SOME, UH, UH, ACTIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THE, THEIR LAST MEETING, UH, THAT I WILL BE ABLE TO REPORT TO THEM AT THEIR NEXT MEETING.
[9. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS ]
COMMENTS.UM, I, I THINK SOME OF YOU WERE AT, UM, THE SEPTEMBER 10TH PRESENTATION BY WADE ROGERS.
UM, MICKEY MILLER DID THE, DID THE OPENING INTRODUCTION SPEECH.
BOTH OF THE SPEAKERS WERE EXCELLENT OF A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.
WE HAD ABOUT 65, 70 PEOPLE THERE.
UM, SO BETWEEN THE PRESERVATION FOUNDATION AND THE HPC AND HYDRA AND RIVERSIDE, UM, WE HAD, WE HAD ABOUT 65, 70 PEOPLE.
SO IT WAS A GOOD TURNOUT AND I THINK THE INFORMATION WAS, WAS WELL PRESENTED AND WELL RECEIVED.
AND THEN THE AWARDS PROGRAM, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, THE NOMINATION PERIOD IS OPENED.
UM, PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE MAKING NOMINATION.
THE NOMINATION PERIOD CLOSES ON SEPTEMBER 30TH.
SO IF, IF ANYBODY IS IN THE, THE AUDIENCE OR ANYBODY WHO'S WATCHING IN THE, IN THE WATCHING AUDIENCE IS THINKING ABOUT PUTTING A A NOMINATION AND THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT, IT'S A PRETTY EASY NOMINATION.
UM, AND WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT, UH, WE GET A LOT OF NOMINATIONS TO, TO LOOK OVER.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? TALKATIVE GROUP? UM, SO WITH WHAT QUESTION HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY NOMINATIONS IN YET? WE HAVE NOT TOO MANY.
SO THERE'S STILL A LOT OF CHANCE FOR PEOPLE TO WIN.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR, UM, ADJOURNMENT.