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FIRST THING WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS REQUEST BY THE BATHROOMS ORGANIZATIONS WITH THE CITY OWNED CENTRAL FOR A CITY IN CENTRAL BATHROOMS, BUILDINGS, SPOKESMEN COME FORWARD.
WELL, I THINK EVERYBODY UP THERE RAMIR WE MAY, UH, THIS WAS SOME OF MY TROOP OUT HERE.
I'M THE COMMANDER OF THE DISTRICT SIX AMERICAN LEGION HERE ON THE EAST COAST.
UH, MR. CARTER, YOU GET DRESSED WHAT YOUR NAME IS, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, BUT SHE CAN PUT IT IN THE RECORD.
THE NAME AND ADDRESS NAME IS FRANK CARE.
ADDRESS IS 37 11 ELBERTON ROAD.
I LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY PEOPLE.
I HAVE A MR. QUESENBERRY HERE, COMMANDER OF, UH, OUR, THE PRESIDENT OF THE ENLIST ASSOCIATION AND HAVE LOT COMMANDER, UH, MCCAIN COMMANDER POST 24, AMERICAN LEGION NEWBURN JAMES WARD.
HE'S A CHAIRMAN OF THE CRAVEN COUNTY VETERANS COUNCIL, MR. ANDY LEHMAN.
HE'S THE COMMANDER OF THE DISABLED VETERANS GROUP.
HE'S REPRESENTING, UH, THE VIETNAM VETERANS HERE IN THE ORGANIZATION.
WHAT MY QUESTION IS TONIGHT IS WE WERE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO PUT A VET CENTER.
WE DON'T HAVE ONE IN THE AREA, WHICH WE HAVE A POPULATION IN THE DISTRICT AROUND IN THE AREA OF ABOUT 13,000 VETERANS.
AND THE CLOSEST VET CENTER WE HAVE IS IN GREENVILLE.
AND, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET HER OWN STARTED SO WE CAN GET THINGS GOING HERE AND GET IT UNDER WAY.
BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH VETERANS, NOT HAVING A PLACE TO MEET.
WE GOT GROUPS THAT, UH, IS HERE TONIGHT THAT DOESN'T HAVE A HOME STATION TO HAVE MEETINGS IN.
WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A PLACE THAT WOULD FURNISH THAT WE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TO, UH, OPERATE IT FROM EIGHT TO FIVE, FIVE DAYS A WEEK TO HAVE A TELEPHONE AND CONTACT THAT WE CAN HAVE WITH THE VETERANS AROUND IN THE AREA AT ANY TIME THAT THEY NEED IT.
AND, UH, WE LIKE TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE THE PEOPLE CAN CALL FOR TRANSPORTATION.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE DOCTORS AND THROUGH THE HOSPITAL.
WE HAVE, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN OUR DAV VAN RUNNING AROUND IN THE AREA THAT MAKES THIS MOVE.
IT'S CALLED CARRYING PEOPLE TO A DERM AT THE PRESENT TIME, OR THEY CAN'T USE IT TO GO TO GREENVILLE.
SO WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN IS TO HAVE US A PLACE BIG ENOUGH THAT THE GROUP CAN HAVE THE MEETINGS.
WE CAN HAVE AN OFFICE THERE, UH, SOME KIND OF CONTACT WITH THE VETERANS.
WE CAN TRANSFER THEIR PAPERWORK OR DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE VETERANS ORGANIZATIONS AROUND IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF VETERANS THAT'S HAVING THIS PROBLEM.
EVERY TIME YOU DEAL WITH THINGS LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, THE GOVERNMENT, THEY WANT THREE COPIES IN THE MORNING.
EVERY TIME I RUN INTO ONE, UH, OR HAVE, UH, THEY CAN'T GET THE PAPERWORK HERE OR THEY LOST IT ON THE WAY OR THE DAV LOST IT.
WE WANT TO STREAMLINE THIS THING WHERE THEY HAVE TO ANSWER IT WHEN THEY GET IT IN THEIR OFFICE, WE KNOW THAT THEY GOT IT AND THEN THEY CAN'T TELL US ANOTHER STORY.
OH, WE'RE RUNNING INTO A LOT OF PROBLEMS THIS WAY.
AND, UH, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I THINK WOULD HELP THE VETERANS IN THE GROUP THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF VETERANS THAT'S COMING FROM OUT OF TOWN.
THAT'S MOVED IN HERE THAT, UH, HAS TOLD ME THAT HE USED TO GET OUT HERE AND SHOPPING CENTERS AND THINGS AND HELP THEM SELL POPPIES TO SUPPORT THE VETERAN AND NAVY.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'D HEARD OUT THERE QUITE A BIT, UH, THAT WE HAVE, UH, WE COME IN HERE TO TRY TO FIND VETERAN GROUP AND NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED OR ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
AND, UH, I'D ALWAYS TRY TO GET TO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE GROUPS TO PUT THEIR NAMES IN THE PHONE DIRECTORY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THIS WILL HELP US OUT AND GIVE US A BETTER SHOT TO
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CONTACT WITH THE VETERANS AND THEM TO BE IN TOUCH WITH US.WELL, WE CAN HELP THEM WITH PROBLEMS AS THEY ARISE.
AND, UH, WE'D GOT HER EYES AND I WAS LOOKING AT, UH, THE NEW FIRE STATION.
THEY GOT, WE HAD, UH, AT ONE HEARD ABOUT NUMBER TWO, FIRE STATION IS ON FORT TOTTEN.
IF IT'S PERMISSIBLE FOR THAT, OR, UH, WHAT WE HAVE OUT HERE IS A FIRE MUSEUM.
ONE OF THE TWO WOULD MAKE EITHER PLACE AVAILABLE FOR US THAT WE CAN USE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
WE DON'T, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF FLEXIBLE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UH, ONE OF THESE PLACES WHEN IT'S VACATED, I LOOKED THE FIRE MUSEUM OVER.
IT WOULD, UH, FURNISH A PRETTY GOOD AREA TO HAVE THE MEETINGS THERE, WHERE THEY GOT THE FIRETRUCKS AND THINGS PARKED THERE, HAVING A LITTLE SPACE OVER THE SIDE, WE COULD PUT A COUPLE DESKS DINNER TO MAKE AN OFFICE OUT OF AND IN THE PARKING LOT, OUT ON THE OTHER END, WE'D GIVE US A AMPLE ENOUGH PARKING FOR WHAT WE WOULD NEED.
UH, THE LITTLE ORDINARY OUT THERE HAS GOT THE BRICK WALL AROUND IT, BEHIND THE COURTHOUSE, THE OLD FEDERAL COURTHOUSE.
AND, UH, IT ALSO LOOKED THE ONE OVER AT THE FIRE STATION UP NUMBER TWO, FIRE STATION.
IT HAS TWO LITTLE OFFICES IN IT.
WE COULD USE AS THE AREA WHERE THE FIRE TRUCKS PARK.
WE COULD USE THAT AS A MEETING ROOM SET.
SO THIS IS SAYING WE HAVE PARKING AREA.
OF COURSE, THE LITTLE ON BOAST, THE PARKING AREA BELONGS TO THE BANK UP THERE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE MEETINGS UNTIL NIGHTTIME ANYWAY, WHO EVERYBODY, THAT WAS PROBABLY BE OUT OF THE WAY.
OH, THE ONLY THING WE'D HAVE IN THE DAYTIME IS JUST MAYBE ONE OR TWO PERSON AT A TIME COMING IN TO VISIT, UH, GET APPOINTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE DON'T, OUR BIGGEST THING IS WE WANT AND PLACE IT, WHERE WE CAN HAVE OPEN.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DEMAND IT EIGHT HOURS A DAY, FIVE DAYS A WEEK, WE'D HAVE IT OPEN AND TELEPHONE AND TANK WHERE THE VETERANS CAN CONTACT US OR VISIT US.
AND WE WON'T HAVE TO GET THE PAPERWORK TO WHERE WE CAN HELP THEM FILL OUT THEIR CLAIMS FOR THEIR BENEFIT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE HAVE A, WE WON'T INVITE OUT OF AFTERNOONS, RETIRED, UM, ACTIVE DUTY OR WHATEVER WE, WE TAKE, UH, NATIONAL GUARD.
IF THE GUY IS, UH, HAS GOT US, HAVE HAD A SET OF ORDERS, HE'S ELIGIBLE TO JOIN THE AMERICAN LEGION, THE NATIONAL GUARD, UH, RESERVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
IT'S GOT VETERANS PREFERENCES.
CAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PROGRAMS GOING ON NOW.
AND A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT THEY REALLY HAVE VETERANS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T SHOT.
THEY THINK THEY DON'T HAVE ANY VETERANS RIGHTS OR ANY BENEFITS OR ANYTHING.
AND THIS WE'D LIKE TO MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT AND HOW TO GET THEM AND HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF OUR PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND A LOT OF US HERE, UH, THESE PEOPLE ON THE FRONT ROW IS WORKED OUT OF THEIR HOMES, TRYING TO GET THE PEOPLE THAT CALLED US AND THINGS LIKE THIS.
AND, UH, AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AND RUN, RUN ERRANDS FOR THEM AND THINGS LIKE THIS.
AND OF COURSE THAT GETS KIND OF COMPLICATED IF THEY GOT A CERTAIN PLACE THAT THEY CAN GO TO MEET US AND GET THE INFORMATION AND GET WHAT THEY NEED.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH OUR WHILE AND IT REALLY HELPED THEM OUT.
AND I'M SURE THAT IT COMES IN HANDY CAUSE WE HAD TO GO A LOT OF PLACES, OURSELVES TO GET INFORMATION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN OPENING COMMENT MAINLY FOR THE BOARD AND ALL HERE, BECAUSE I'M THE ONE THAT WAS TALKED TO FIRST AND GOT THIS ON THE AGENDA, YOU KNOW, AND I MADE IT CLEAR TO YOU FOLKS THAT THE CITY HAS TO HAVE A BUILDING AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO HAVE, AND IT WOULD NOT BE A GIVEAWAY THING.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD.
RIGHT? YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? AND SOME OF THEM HAD MENTIONED, WELL, UH, THE VETERAN THING IS A COUNTY FUNCTION.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE COUNTY FUNCTION IS THAT, UH, NORMALLY A COUNTY FUNCTION IS A LIBRARY.
WE, UH, JOINED HIM WITH, TO GEORGE STREET, UH, UH, SENIOR PROGRAMS AND, AND ALL THERE.
AND, UH, BARBARA, LEE'S GOT ONE GOING ON WITH SCHOOL KIDS, WHICH IS A COUNTY PROJECT.
AND, UH, WE, UH, UH, ORGANIZED THE PHOENIX HOUSE OUT HERE TO, UH, TREAT DRUG ADDICTS AT ALL, WHICH NORMALLY WOULD BE A COUNTY FUNCTION.
BUT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FORGET THAT THE CITY IS COUNTY TOO.
AND, AND, UH, WE SHOULD WORK TOGETHER ON IT.
AND THE COUNTY HAS WORKED WITH US ON UNION POINT AND SOME SIDEWALKS IT'S COMING UP AND SOME OTHER THINGS BECAUSE THEY REALIZED THAT PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CITY OF NEWMAN
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COME IN AND USE THE FACILITIES HERE TOO.SO IT'S NOT JUST A NEW BURN TYPE THING.
UH, I, I FEEL PERSONALLY STRONG THAT, THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AND TRY TO FIND A PLACE FOR YOU.
AND I'M SURE THAT A LOT OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ARE GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO ASK YOU, BUT I WANTED TO CLEAR THE AIR, FIRST OF WHY I PUT THIS ON THERE AND THAT I AM A STRONG SUPPORTER OF IT.
HOW DOES THIS FIT IN WITH THE VETERAN SERVICE OFFICE, WHICH IS A FULL-TIME FACILITY, A FULL-TIME OFFICE TO DO PAPERWORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THIS IS THE CRAVEN COUNTY HAD A W A SERVICE.
IT'S ONE PERSON, UH, AND IT'S DONE BY APPOINTMENTS.
AND, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT THAT'S BEEN THROUGH THIS OFFICE.
WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS THE CRAVEN COUNTY SERVICE OFFICER, SHE DOESN'T RELAY THE MESSAGES BACK TO US.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO FIND US OR ANYTHING LIKE IT, SHE DON'T GO OUT OF HER WAY TO PUT THE INFORMATION OUT THAT WE NEED.
IF YOU GOT AN APPOINTMENT WITH HER, IF YOU FIELD, ALL RIGHT, YOU GO IN AND TALK TO HER, BUT, UH, LET ME, LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT SHE'S NOT DOING HER JOB? WELL, IT'S NOT THAT SHE'S NOT DOING HER JOB.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER SHE'S NOT DOING HER JOB.
I'M NOT GOING TO ACCUSE HER OF THAT.
WHY IS HE GUYS IN SERVICES? RIGHT? IS SHE, WELL, IF YOU NEED SOME INFORMATION OR SOME SERVICES THAT HAVE THE SERVICES, THEN YOU GO TO THAT OFFICE AND GET IT.
WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT IS A PLACE WHERE YOU COULD CONGREGATE, WHERE YOU GUYS COULD FEEL A PART OF, HAVE YOU MEETINGS, HAVE YOU ACTIVITIES? IS THERE A FACILITY LIKE THAT IN THE PAST? AND THIS WOULD BE HELPING BATHROOMS. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M JAMES WARD.
I'M CHAIRMAN OF CRAVEN COUNTY, VETERANS COUNCIL.
I'M ALSO DISABLED AMERICAN VETERAN, MYSELF AND I ASSIST DISABLED VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES IN CRAVEN COUNTY AND SURROUNDING AREAS WITH THE DISABILITY CLAIMS. NOW, THE THING IS I MOVED HERE 11 YEARS AGO.
I HAD TO STEP DOWN FROM MY POSITION AT VA MEDICAL CENTER, DURHAM, BECAUSE OF MY OWN DISABILITY.
I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT DISABLED, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF BEDROOMS THROUGHOUT CRAVEN COUNTY AND SURROUNDING AREAS THAT KNEW ME.
WHEN I WORKED AT DURHAM, KNEW THAT I ASSISTED THEM IN THEIR DISABILITY CLAIMS AND SO FORTH THERE.
I CAME FORWARD HERE BECAUSE MEMBERS OR VETERANS THAT KNEW ME, ASKED ME TO COME AND HELP THEM.
NOW, ONE MAN THAT ASKED ME TO DO THAT.
HE GOT ME BACK INTO THE FLOW OF THINGS, DOING VOLUNTEER, WORK OUT OF MY HOME, ASSISTING VETERANS WITH THEIR CLAIMS. I HANDLE OVER 500 CLAIMS A YEAR, VETERANS STEADILY COME BACK REQUESTING ASSISTANCE.
BASICALLY MY WIFE LOOKS AT IT RIGHT NOW.
I TAKE OVER HER KITCHEN TABLE AND EVERYTHING.
SHE WANTS HER HOME BACK, BUT I'M THERE DEALING WITH THESE VETERANS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO, WHERE TO TURN, BUT THEY DO KNOW ABOUT ME BEING HERE BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE AT THE VA MEDICAL CENTER IN DURHAM WHO ARE TELLING THEM THAT I'M DOWN HERE IN CRAVEN COUNTY, THAT I CAN ASSIST THEM.
THERE ARE PEOPLE IN GREENVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA, AND PUT THE VETERANS CENTER THERE THAT TELL THEM I'M HERE.
THERE ARE OTHER VETERANS HERE IN CRAVEN COUNTY THAT ARE PUTTING THE WORD OUT TO THE YOUNG MARINES AND NAVAL PERSONNEL WHO ARE GETTING OUT OF THE MILITARY AND ARMY AND SO FORTH.
THEY SEND THESE PEOPLE TO ME BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THERE OR WHERE THE VET SERVICE CENTER OR THE VETERAN SERVICE OFFICER IS.
AND THEN SOME SAY, WELL, THEY ARE UNAWARE OF WHAT SHE CAN OFFER THEM BECAUSE THEY, THEY ARE SHY BECAUSE SHE DID NOT.
UH, SHE WAS NOT A PART OF THE MILITARY.
THEY WOULD RATHER COME TO ANOTHER VETERAN TO GET ASSISTANCE BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT WE AS VETERANS KNOW SOMETHING OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ASSISTANCE THAT YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED AND WHAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS PROMISED YOU.
SO THEY HAVE COME TO ME AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS EVER SINCE I ARRIVED HERE IN NEW BERN, BACK IN 1989.
AND AT TIMES I HAVE MY PROBLEMS THAT I CAN'T GET OUT.
I STILL SEE DOCTORS THREE AND FOUR TIMES A WEEK, MYSELF AND THE MEDICATIONS THAT I'M ON, BUT MY DETERMINATION HERE IN CRAVEN COUNTY, SINCE IT IS NOW, MY HOME IS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY VETERAN HAS A PLACE THAT THEY CAN COME TO, TO BE ASSISTED WITH THEIR DISABILITY CLAIMS AND WHAT THINGS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO BY THE GOVERNMENT.
SO THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WHY WE ARE LOOKING FOR A PLACE, WHICH IS A CENTRAL LOCATION THAT VETERANS CAN COME TO INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TRAVEL TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S HOME.
AND AT TIMES THAT, UH, THERE MAY BE NOBODY THERE AT THAT HOME WHO CAN REALLY ASSIST THEM.
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IF THERE'S AN OFFICE THAT THEY CAN COME TO, THEN THEY CAN GO THERE AND TALK WITH THAT, UH, VETERANS REP WHO IS THERE TO ASSIST THEM, OR THAT VETERANS MAY BE ABLE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH SOMEBODY ELSE TO ASSIST THESE VETERANS A LITTLE MORE AND MAKE THEM FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE.WELL, WHAT, WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF THE FIREMAN'S MUSEUM AFTER WE READY TO STEP OUT OF IT? I MIGHT LAST IT DIDN'T IT SOLD UP ON HOLD FOR A WHILE.
ANYWAY, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT, UH, THE REPAIRS ON IT IN ORDER TO BRING IT UP FULLY UP TO STANDARDS WERE ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT 230, $1,000 TO THE INTENT AT ONE TIME AND BE ABLE TO TEAR IT DOWN.
AND THEN THE POSSIBILITY IS THAT WE WOULD TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN, UH, AND MOVE RELOCATE THE MUSEUM AND THE OTHERS, BECAUSE WE CAN'T EVEN DISPLAY THINGS IN THERE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT LEAKS SO BAD IN THERE.
BUT, UH, UH, THE BOARD HAS NOT MADE A FORMAL DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON WHAT TO USE IT FOR WHAT NOT TO USE IT FOR.
I THINK WE JUST KIND OF WAITING FOR THE SMOKE TO CLEAR AS THE NEW BUILDING GETS OCCUPIED.
WE DO INTEND, I THINK, TO MOVE, UH, SOME OF THE MUSEUMS, EXHIBITS AND THINGS INTO THE FORMER MAIN STATION AND MAKE THAT INTO THE, UH, MAIN MUSEUM, UH, AREA.
BUT THERE'S, UH, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT.
YOU ALL HAVE TO MAKE, IT LOOKS NICE ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT IT'S NOT TOO NICE WHEN THE RAIN STARTS FALLING, HER OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
BUT DO WE HAVE FOR THE, UH, FORT TOTTEN FIRE STATION AND BARBARA LEE'S PROGRAM, UH, RUNS UP, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A COMMITMENT FOR IT, BUT, UH, THE DAY IS GOING TO COME WHEN WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO USE THAT.
I THINK FOR PROBABLY SOME RECREATION, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE RECREATION ADMINISTRATION OUT THERE AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
BUT, UH, I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK NOW TO COME UP WITH SOME GRANTS TO ADD ON TO A STANDING WHITE CENTER AND SAY, SOME OF THE OTHER CENTERS SAID, RELOCATE THAT PROGRAM OVER INTO THOSE CENTERS.
AND AT THAT TIME, THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THAT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE HAD AS A STAFF LEVEL CANDIDATE PLANS FOR IT.
WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THAT AGAIN WITH THE BOARD.
AND OF COURSE IT IS THE BOARD'S FINAL DECISION ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD MAKE ANYWAY.
SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE STAND WITH THAT THOUGH.
IT'S, THERE'S NO PLANS FOR IT SPECIFICALLY AT THIS TIME IN PARTICULAR, THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD, UH, AFTER WE GET THROUGH WITH THIS, UH, PROGRAM RELOCATED OUT TO ANOTHER, UH, AREA TO A MORE PERMANENT LOCATION, MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO SINCE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NOT QUITE AWARE OF THE CONDITIONS AND THE STATUS OF AVAILABLE THAT WE HAVE IS TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITUATION.
SO THE TABLE IN ANY DECISION AS TO WHERE IT WOULD BE TONIGHT AND DO COME BACK TOGETHER, MAYBE IN WORK SESSION, I WOULD, I THINK THAT, UH, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AND IT MIGHT BE SOME POSSIBILITIES OF SOME OTHER LOCATIONS.
THE BOARD NEEDS TO DISCUSS THAT THOUGH AT ANOTHER TIME, IF THERE'S SOME OTHER LOCATIONS THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE, THAT THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO GIVE THEIR OKAY TO, AND IT MIGHT BE CONTROVERSIAL TO BRING IT UP RIGHT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO I'D RATHER TALK WITH YOU ABOUT IT AT A LATER TIME, MAYBE IN A WORK SESSION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UH, UH, AFTER YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME BETTER IDEAS ABOUT SOME, WHAT, SOME OF OUR OTHER SPACE POSSIBILITIES THAT WE MIGHT HAVE.
WHAT KIND OF SPACE DID YOU ALL NEED? I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN, MOSTLY WITH JUST A PLACE THAT WE COULD HAVE A COUPLE OF DASH OFFICE, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, AND A PLACE, UH, JUST ENOUGH SAY ABOUT 50 OR 60 PERSONNEL, YOU KNOW, HAVE A MEETING FOR THE GROOVES OR SOMETHING, HALF THE SIZE OF THIS HALF A SIZE, OR JUST ABOUT THE SIZE.
WE WILL TAKE THIS, WE DON'T GET
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD, AT LEAST THAT I KNOW OF WHO WOULD BE AGAINST US TRYING TO HELP YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
AND WHAT HE'S SAYING IS, LET US TAKE A LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT.
AND SOME OF IT COMING UP THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, WELL, THIS IS FINE.
WHEN WE MAKE A DECISION, WE WANTED TO GET SORT OF A, SOME KIND OF FEELING OF WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO.
IF YOU SAY WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS OR THAT, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT, WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK THROUGH TO VA AND GET US, UH, MONEY BEFORE IT.
WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN HERE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN STEAL FROM THE GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW, IN DRMO, OH, THAT'S GOVERNMENT, GOD, YOU KNOW, WE NEVER, IT'S NOT STEALING.
THE SAME THING AS RAN LARGE, THE GEORGIA, HAVE
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YOU LOOKED AT OTHER BUILDINGS THAT MAY NOT BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE CITY THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR PARTICULAR MEETING PLACE? UH, WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT? UH, WE'D LOOKED AT A LOT OF PLACES.UH, WHAT OUR THING IS THAT IF WE GET ALL THESE GROUPS IN HERE IS CONNIE HEART TO GET A LOCATION AND GET EVERYBODY'S SUPPORT.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? WE DON'T, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF FUN.
EVEN MEMBERSHIP THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER PLACES WE HAD TO SEND IT TO THE NATIONAL.
RENT-FREE UH, I READ SOMEWHERE THAT THE OFFICE OVER THERE AT THE NATIONAL CEMETERY WAS BEING VACATED.
HAVE YOU EXPLORED THAT POSSIBILITY? HE GOES, THAT'S CENTRAL IT'S RIGHT DOWNTOWN THIS TOO SMALL.
AND I THINK THEY PROBABLY GAVE THAT TO THE CONTRACTORS.
IT'S A MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THAT, I'M HERE ALSO IN SUPPORT OF KEEPING THE STAFF THERE AT NATIONAL CEMETERY, THEY ARE PLANNING TO MOVE THE TWO STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE REMAINING OUT OF THERE IN JUNE.
BUT THE GOVERNMENT HAS SAID THAT IF THEY GET CONTRACTORS TO TAKE CARE OF THE CEMETERY, THAT IT WOULD ONLY COST ABOUT 20 TO $30,000 A YEAR WRONG RIGHT NOW IN WILMINGTON, NORTH CAROLINA, WHERE THE OTHER NATIONAL CEMETERY IS, THEY PAY THE CONTRACTORS THERE 40, 50, $60,000 A YEAR TO KEEP UP THAT CEMETERY.
BUT THE STAFF MEMBERS HERE STILL HAVE TO GO DOWN THERE AND DO THINGS THERE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT CEMETERY THERE.
SO IF THEY WERE TO TAKE THESE SEPTEMBERS FROM US HERE AND PUT CONTRACTORS THERE, WE HAVE NO VA CONTACT.
I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE FACILITY THERE, THE BUILDING, IF YOU COULD USE THAT BUILDING FOR YOUR OWN MEALS.
NO, IT WAS IT, UH, THE BUILDING AREAS IS NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR THAT IT'S THAT IT WOULD MAKE AN OFFICE, BUT STILL IN ALL, WE'D STILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND FIGHT THE CONTRACTOR FOR IT.
I'M SURE THEY MAKE OFFICES ARE FOR IT FOR SALE BECAUSE THEY LEASE THAT WHOLE THING THAT GOES TO THE CONTRACTORS, ALL THE BUILDINGS AND ALL THE UPKEEP AND EVERYTHING GOES TO THE CONTRACTOR.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON ABOUT GETTING THAT.
WE HAD TO COMPILE A LIST OF WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT.
AND, UH, I'M SURE I'M POSITIVE THAT YOU WON'T LET US BEGIN.
SO I KNOW YOU'LL CALL THEM BACK AND SAY, OH, I NOTICED THAT, BUT NOW WE'RE TAKING THE BOTTOM FLORIDA DONE BUILDING.
WE WOULD GO DOWN AND KNOCK A FEW CREATIONS OUT AND ALL, UH, BUT WE, UH, REALLY, I MEAN, I, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU HAVE A PLACE AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BATHROOMS DESERVE IT.
AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE YOU BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE GOT AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
IF IT'S THOUGHT WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE HAVE WE'VE NEEDED A PLACE TO, FOR MEETING IT HAVE, UH, ABOUT 60 OR 70 PEOPLE IN IT, PROBABLY A ENOUGH SPACE FOR A COUPLE OFFICERS AT THE THING.
LIKE IF WE CAN GET A TELEPHONE LINE AND STUFF LIKE THIS, THEN HAVE YOU APPROACHED THE COUNTY ABOUT THIS, SIR? HAVE YOU APPROACHED THE COUNTY ABOUT YOUR NEEDS, THE COUNTY BOARD? UH, WE, WE HAD TALKED TO THE COUNTY ABOUT THIS THING.
THESE PEOPLE HERE IS FROM THE CRAVEN COUNTY, UH, AND THE ONLY THING THEY, AND THEY, THEY WOULDN'T EVEN GIVE US THE TIME OF THE DAY ON ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IN FACT, WE HAD TO GO TWIST HER HEAD TO GET THE MONEY FOR THE BARBECUE TO HAVE IT IN THE YEAR.
SO, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AT THAT WAS OPEN THAT THEY'D OFFER US THERE.
YOU KNOW, THIS THING THAT WE'D BROUGHT UP BEFORE WE EVEN TALKED TO THEM, A NUMBER OF TIMES ABOUT THE SERVICE OFFERS TO HAD, AND THE LACK THERE UP.
AND, UH, SO THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE.
WE GET THIS THING GOING AND WE WANT TO JUST GET THE OFFICE.
WE WANT TO SUPPORT IT OURSELF.
THEN WE KNOW THAT THE FEED THAT THE VETERANS OUT THERE, WHEN THEY MAKE A PHONE CALL, THEY'RE TALKING TO A VETERAN, NOT SOMEBODY THAT'S JUST MAKING MONEY FROM BEING IN THE SLOT.
AND OF COURSE THESE PEOPLE TO WORK FOR THE STATE AND THE COUNTY, THEY DON'T, UH, NOT CONSIDER ANY PART OF THE VETERANS ORGANIZATION ANYWAY.
SO, UH, WE'D APPRECIATE ANY HELP YOU CAN GIVE US THEN.
UH, AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT HERE WAITING ON THIS, AND WE'VE GOT, UH, APPROVAL FROM CONGRESSMAN JONES.
WE'RE GOING TO GET A VETERANS CLINIC AND HAVE THE LUCK COME THE FIRST OF NEXT YEAR TO TAKE SOME OF THIS LOAD OFF OF THE TRAVELER.
THESE PEOPLE GOTTA DO BACK AND FORTH TO DURHAM.
AND WE GOT THE CONGRESSMAN AND SENATORS ALL INVOLVED IN THIS AND ABOUT THAT NATIONAL CEMETERY, I THOUGHT YOU GUYS GOT FOUR.
THEY ABOUT TO MOVE EVERYTHING OUT OF HERE.
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CUT HER TEETH ON.SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT EVER COMES TO ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT THAT? WELL, THEY NOTIFIED ME AS THE MAYOR.
YOU'RE SOME FEW MONTHS BACK BECAUSE THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO THAT.
AND I CALL HIM UP AND TOLD HIM THAT I REALLY HATED TO SEE IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ALL OF US HAVE FRIENDS AND RELATIVES AND ACQUAINTANCES LAYING OUT THERE AND THEY TOLD US, HEY, THEY HATED IT TOO.
AND THE LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, IT WAS FROM HERE DOING IT AND ALL, BUT YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT IT REALLY WASN'T ANYTHING THEY COULD DO ABOUT IT.
SO, I MEAN, AS THE MAYOR, I PROTESTED AS HARD AS I COULD.
WE HATED TO SEE WE'RE NUMBER 11 ON A SCALE OF 10, AS FAR AS NATIONAL CEMETERY.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS POINT ON THAT.
AND, UH, WE JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW PEOPLE UP HERE TALKING ABOUT THE VETERANS.
IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN IT, TELL THEM OUR 7,329 PEOPLE OUT THERE LAYING IN THAT NATIONAL CEMETERY THAT, THAT PRIDE TO DEFEND NEWBURN AT ONE TIME.
SO, UH, IF YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE, JUST REMEMBER THEM TO PEOPLE THAT, UH, THAT'S GOT YOU HERE AND GIVE YOU A PLACE TO GO TO THE MEETINGS.
UH, ONE MORE THING I'D LIKE TO ADD AT THIS TIME, I HAVE CONTACTED SENATOR JESSE HELMS, SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS, A COMMON FORM IN CLAYTON, CONGRESSMAN JONES, ALSO THE GOVERNOR OF NORTH CAROLINA, TRYING TO MAINTAIN A STAFF HERE AT THIS CEMETERY BECAUSE THE VETERANS WHO ARE HERE, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO BE BURIED.
THEY ALSO WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS.
NOW ONLY DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS STAFF THAT WE REALLY HAVE IN THIS AREA AT THIS TIME IS, UH, MS. BRENDA GOOD, AND HER HUSBAND, CHUCK.
THEY ARE THERE TO ASSIST US WHENEVER WE HAVE FUNCTIONS SUCH AS MEMORIAL DAY AND RYAN'S DAY AND SO FORTH.
AND NORMALLY I NORMALLY SUBMIT A BUDGET TO NOT ONLY CRAVEN COUNTY, BUT THE CITY OF NEW BARN AND CITY OF HAVELOCK TO ASSIST US IN TAKING CARE OF THE BEDROOMS AND PROVIDING FOR THE BEDROOMS EVERY YEAR, WHICH I'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED MY BUDGET FOR THE COMING YEAR.
AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN, FOR LISTENING TO ALL OF US AND FOR BEING HERE TO ASSIST US ANY WAY PRETTY, SHOULD I TELL YOU WHAT YOU'RE RIGHT OUT OF A REAL HOLE AND THE, I GUESS YOU MIGHT SAY THE HISTORY OF TRADITION TO ME WHEN GET BACK THAT CEMETERY CLOSED BECAUSE OF MEMORIAL DAY CEREMONIES AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
I MEAN, FOR THAT, THE MESSAGE IS REALLY IT'S, I'M GOING TO BE MISSING.
SO THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW MAY ALSO HAVE MARRIED THEIR NATIONAL CEMETERY SKILL.
AND MY WIFE WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE BECAUSE SHE HAD ANOTHER MEETING TO ATTEND AND SHE WAS A GOLD STAR MOTHER.
SHE REPRESENTS THIS AREA OF NORTH CAROLINA.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOMENT EVERY TIME.
MY NAME IS DONALD CLARK AND I LIVE AT 900 ANTIOCH ROAD AND I'M A DISABLED VIETNAM VETERAN SUFFERED FROM POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER.
THERE'S 800,000 VETERANS WITH POST TRAUMATIC STRESS FROM ALL THE WARS, NOT JUST FROM VIETNAM, BUT FROM ALL OF THE WARS THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN AND POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS THE WAY IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME BY THE EXPERTS IS AN EMOTIONAL CANCER THAT EATS AWAY THE FEELINGS THAT A NORMAL HUMAN BEING HAS.
LIKE WHEN MY DAUGHTER RUN UP TO ME AND PUT HER ARMS AROUND ME ON NATIONAL AVENUE, WHERE I GREW UP SKATING DOWN THE HILL IN THE CEMETERY WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO BE BURIED, BUT THERE'S NO ROOM.
THE FEELING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, I DON'T HAVE, IT'S BEEN TAKEN FROM ME.
UH, I SUFFERED FROM GUILT FOR SABBATICAL.
I CAME HOME THE OTHER NIGHT AT NINE 30, FROM AN AA MEETING.
I'VE BEEN 11 YEARS BY THE GRACE OF GOD WITHOUT TAKING A DRINK.
THERE WAS A PHONE CALL, A FRIEND OF MINE WITH PTSD THAT I SERVED WITH IN VIETNAM WAS IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
AND HE WOULD NOT LEAVE THE HOUSE AND GO TO THE HOSPITAL UNTIL I ARRIVED, BECAUSE I KNEW WHAT HE WAS SAYING WHEN NO ONE ELSE KNEW BECAUSE I HAD BEEN THERE AT MORGAN BOOTS AND DONE THAT.
AND I FOLLOWED THE AMBULANCE ALL THE WAY TO THE HOSPITAL.
I HELPED WITH MAN IN MY ARMS. HE UNDERSTOOD THAT I UNDERSTOOD AND THAT NOBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM HAD ANY IDEA
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OF WHAT WAS GOING ON, BUT US TOO, UH, AS FAR AS THE COUNTY, THEY DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB, UH, WITH WHAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH.BUT, UH, WHEN I CAME IN ONE MORNING FROM WATCHING A TV SHOW OF ALL THE BODIES THAT WERE PILED ALL OVER, UH, CAMBODIA, UH, THE BONES THAT WERE STACKED THAT, YOU KNOW, I WALKED IN AND I SAID, WELL, TO THE, TO THE REPRESENTATIVE, EASY NAMES, UH, I SAW THESE BODIES WHEN THEY HAD FLASHED ON THEM AND IT WAS, OH MY GOD, DON'T, DON'T NEED TO GET IT NOWHERE NEAR THAT.
I NEED SOMEBODY THAT CAN GO THERE WITH ME BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO BE THERE FOR OUR BROTHERS FOUGHT AND OFFERED OUR LIVES SO THAT YOU COULD GIVE YOUR CHILDREN LUNCH TO GO TO SCHOOL WITH WHEN, WHEN YOU WENT OVER THERE, THEY WERE GIVING THEIR CHILDREN BOMBS TO, TO KILL GIS.
AND ONLY SOMEBODY THAT IS WALKED IN THESE BOOTS CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE HEAD.
OH, I'M NOT THE PERSON THAT'S BEEN THERE.
AND THE REPRESENTATIVE BY THE COUNTY DOES NOT KNOW OUT OF THE 800,000, THERE ARE 100,000 VETERANS RECEIVING BENEFITS, MEDICAL OF SOME SORT, OR SOME SORT OF BENEFITS THAT LEADS A LOT OF VETERANS THAT NEED VETERANS TO HELP THEM.
THEY SERVED WITH THE PROOF THAT THEY WERE THERE BECAUSE SOMEBODY STRUCK A MATCH IN NEW ORLEANS AND BURN ALL THE RECORDS.
AND I KNOW THAT'S JUST A FOREST.
SO IF YOU WANT THE JOBS YOU WANT TO BE VOTED IN AGAIN, BACK TO VETERANS, MY SON WOULD BE GLAD TO GO TO WAR IF I'D HAVE BEEN TREATED DECENT, BUT THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT GETTING THEIR QUOTAS IN THE MILITARY NOW, BECAUSE THEY'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENED TO THEIR FATHERS AND WHEN THEY CAME HOME AND WE WANT TO HELP HIGH BROTHERS, THAT MEETING, THAT'S ALL WE WANT TO DO IS HELP.
AND WE NEED Y'ALL'S HELP TO DO THAT.
NO, FRANK'S NOT GOING TO LET US KNOW.
NEXT THING WE HAVE IS, UH, DAVID MES WITH THE REPORT IS THE ONLY AGENDA THE NIGHTMARE WAS LEFT OFF IN AT BURTON.
HE DIDN'T GET AWAY SOON AS FORGOTTEN ALL ABOUT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TREATED APPROXIMATELY 107 MILLION GALLONS OF WASTEWATER.
DURING THE MONTH OF MARCH, THE AVERAGE DAILY FLOW WAS 3.4 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
UH, THE PEAK FLOW OCCURRED ON MARCH THE 17TH WITH 5.16 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
THE, UH, BOD EFFICIENCY REMOVAL WAS 91.1%.
THE, UM, TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS EFFICIENCY REMOVAL WAS 84.2%.
THAT IS A VIOLATION OF OUR MPDS PERMIT.
UH, THIS IS STILL A RESULT OF WHAT HAPPENED IN MARCH.
UH, THE PLAN IS NOW OPERATING IN, IN THE NORMAL RANGE.
UM, UH, WE DID NOT VIOLATE ANY, UH, HI T S S IT'S JUST THAT WE DIDN'T REMOVE 85%.
UM, THAT'S BEEN REPORTED TO THE STATE.
THE, UM, QUARTERLY PHOSPHORUS AVERAGE, UH, WAS 1.648, WHICH IS WITHIN OUR 2.0 MILLIGRAM PER LITER.
WE ALSO ARE CONTINUING TO DO MONTHLY TOXICITY TESTING, UH, IN THE MONTH OF MARCH.
WE FAILED THAT AGAIN, DUE TO AMMONIA.
AND, UM, THE PLANT IS NOW OPERATING IN COMPLIANCE.
UM, THE WARMER WEATHER HAS CERTAINLY HELPED THAT OUT, UH, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WAS ATTEMPTED TO, TO HELP THE SUSPENDED SOLIDS EFFICIENCY REMOVAL.
DURING THE MONTH OF MARCH, WE USE ADDITIONAL, UM, POLY ALUMINUM CHLORIDE, WHICH IS A CHEMICAL THAT REMOVES THE PHOSPHORUS AND ALSO HELPS THE, UH, SUSPENDED SOLIDS FLOCK TOGETHER AND
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SETTLE OUT.UH, WE USE, UH, ADDITIONAL AMOUNTS OF THAT CHEMICAL.
WE ALSO WERE, UH, RE-CIRCULATING UM, AS MUCH EFFLUENT AS WE POSSIBLY COULD BACK THROUGH THE PLANT, TRYING TO GET AS MUCH SETTLING AS WE POSSIBLY COULD AND JUST FAILED TO REACH THE 85%.
AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH INDICATIVE OF TRICKLING FILTER PLANT IN THE WINTER TIME.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY FOR THE REST OF THE SUMMER, WE WILL SEE GREAT IMPROVEMENTS IN THE SUSPENDED SOLIDS REMOVAL.
THE, UM, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT DESIGNED FOR THE NEW PLANT, UH, WAS SUBMITTED TO THE STATE, UH, TO GET THE CLOCK TICKING ON THE 90.
I THINK IT'S A 90 DAY TURNAROUND TIME THAT THEY'VE GOT TO REVIEW IT AND GIVE US COMMENTS, UH, THE QUARRY PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE LAKE MANAGEMENT PLAN.
WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW AFTERNOON, UH, WITH CONTRACT ENGINEERS TO, UH, FINALIZE SOME OF THOSE PLANS.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, WHAT DO YOU USE IN A, AND I NEED PLANT TO BE ANY ULTRAVIOLET LIGHTS USED FOR KILLING BACTERIA.
LIKE I SAY, I SAW SOMETHING ON TV THE OTHER NIGHT ABOUT SOME OF THE FOLKS USING THE ALTA THEM.
UM, MAYOR, WE, WE LOOKED AT THAT, UM, THE PRICE TAG ON THE UV WAS A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, UH, PLUS IT'S VERY ENERGY INTENSIVE.
UH, AND ONE NEGATIVE ABOUT OUR PARTICULAR WASTEWATER IS THAT EVERY NOW AND THEN WE GET SOME COLOR FROM AMA TALL.
AND, UM, WE'RE NOT SURE THAT, UH, THE UV W UH, COULD BE GUARANTEED TO WORK AT THE LIMITS WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE FOR THE CORY PROJECT.
IF WE WERE DISCHARGED INTO THE RIVER, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE NO PROBLEM.
WE'RE JUST NOT SURE THAT UV WILL TAKE IT DOWN TO THE, UH, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE 24 COLONIES PER A HUNDRED MILLILITERS OF A FECAL COLIFORM.
AND WE'RE JUST NOT SURE THAT IT WILL PROVIDE THAT, THAT HIGH LEVEL OF DISINFECTION.
SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT WILL PROBABLY BE BID, UH, SIMPLY AS AN ALTERNATE.
UH, IF IT'S BID AT ALL, IS IT COLORING THE COLOR AND THEY CAN AFFECT THE UV RACE WHERE IT DOES NOT KILL THE BACTERIA.
UH, SO AGAIN, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE LEVEL OF TREATMENT OF THE WATER GOING INTO THE CAR IS WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN.
IF YOU WEREN'T DEALING WITH REQUIRED, WE WOULD JUST MERELY PROVENANCE.
IF WE WERE PUMPING INTO THE RIVER, WE COULD DISCHARGE 200 PARTS, UH, 200 MILLIGRAMS PER LITER, A FECAL COLIFORM TO THE RIVER, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO THE QUARRY, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE ON WATER STANDARDS AND THEY'RE MORE STRINGENT ON THE FECAL COLIFORM COUNTS.
AND THAT ALSO MEANS, I ASSUME THAT IF YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE SWITCH AND PUT IT IN THE RIVER UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, LIKE IF YOU DIDN'T WANT THE CHOIR ARISE OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE PUTTING IT INTO THE RIVER AT MUCH IMPROVED LEVEL AT THE QUARRY GROUND WATER LEVEL, THE WATER.
NO, THAT WOULD BE PART OF OPERATION THAT IF WE SWITCHED TO THE RIVER, WE WOULD RAISE OUR CHLORINE DISINFECTION, OR IF IT WERE UV, WE WOULD, WE WOULD CHANGE THE RATE THAT WE WERE, UM, UH, DISSIPATING, UH, FECAL COLIFORM WITH WHATEVER WE USE FOR DISINFECTION WHERE CORRINE, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD JUST BE MONEY THAT WAS BEING WASTED.
UH, IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE THE CONCERN AGENDA, HAZARD, THE OTHER REPORT TO FORGOTTEN? OH, OH MY GOODNESS.
I'LL, UH, SHOW YOU THE MILESTONE CHART IN JUST A MOMENT.
UM, UH, LET'S SEE, JUST TO GIVE YOU A STATUS REPORT, UM, THE HAZARD MITIGATION, PATY TOWN PROJECT, THE ACQUISITIONS 18 PROPERTIES NINE HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED THUS FAR, SIX FAMILIES RELOCATED, THREE HAVE BEEN CONTRACTED AND ARE MOVING TO CLOSING.
UM, BASICALLY WE'RE HOLDING THE CLOSING UP JUST A LITTLE BIT, SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DOVETAIL WITH THE RELOCATION HANDLED TO ABOUT THE SAME TIME, UH, SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT CLEANER, UH, THAT WAY, UH, FIVE OF THE 18 ARE IN NEGOTIATION.
WE WERE HAVING ADDITIONAL APPRAISALS COMING IN.
ALL THOSE, THOSE SHOULD BE IN WITHIN ANOTHER WEEK OR SO.
AND WE HAVE ONE THAT, UH, WAS REFUSED.
AND ONCE AGAIN, THAT WAS ONE OF THE HOUSES THAT WAS ACTUALLY
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THE HOT ONE OF THE HIGHER ONES IN THE AREA.UM, AS FAR AS, UH, HMGP WOODROW, WE'VE GOTTEN THE APPRAISALS IN ON THE SIX ACQUISITIONS.
WE'RE ABOUT $60,000 ABOVE WHAT WAS BUDGETED FOR ACQUISITION.
WE BUDGETED ABOUT TWO 20 AND THE APPRAISALS CAME IN AT ABOUT TWO 80.
SO, UH, WE'RE HAVING TO GET BACK WITH THE H M G P FOLKS TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO ABOUT, UM, SHIFTING MONEY AROUND, OR, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS WE MIGHT CHANGE THE SCOPE.
AND INSTEAD OF PURCHASING SIX, WE MIGHT PURCHASE FIVE OR, OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
UM, THE DRI ACQUISITIONS IN PAVEY TOWN THERE 24, UH, 14 HAVE BEEN CONTRACTED AND OR CLOSED.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE 14 HAVE BEEN CLOSED.
THERE'S A FEW THAT WE'RE WAITING ON SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UH, WE HAVE THREE THAT HAVE AIR PROBLEMS THAT, UH, THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS WORKING ON.
UH, WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THAT AS SOON AS THE APPRAISAL GETS IN, UH, WE THINK THERE'S PROBABLY IN A RANGE THAT WE CAN WORK WITH.
THE OWNER AND SIX PARCELS HAVE REJECTED THE OFFER, UH, OUT OF, UH, THE 24, BUT THE REST OF THEM, THE OTHER 18, WE FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT BEING ABLE TO ACQUIRE THOSE AND TAKE CARE OF THAT.
THESE THAT ARE REJECTED AND THEN NOT COME PARTICIPATE.
THEY, THEY HAVE DECIDED, UH, THAT THEY DID NOT WISH TO PARTICIPATE.
AND OF THE SIX PER, UH, REJECTED, FIVE OF THOSE ARE UNDER ONE OWNER.
UM, IT WAS THE GENTLEMAN THAT HAD THOSE SHOTGUN HOUSES ALONG K STREET THAT WERE DEMOLISHED.
UH, HE DECIDED HE WANTED TO HOLD ONTO THE LAND.
BUT THERE WERE FIVE PARCELS THERE, BUT IT'S GREATLY CLEANED UP.
UH, WHAT'S DRI, UH, DISASTER RECOVERY.
LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
YOU, YOU BOUGHT FIVE HOUSES AND OH NO, NO.
THE OWNER TOLD THEM NOW, BUT IT'S LAND THAT WAS UNDERWATER DURING THE HURRICANE.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE HOUSES.
SO IT'S THIS DELIVERABLE, SO IT'S BUILDABLE, SO HE CAN GET BUILDING PERMITS AND BUILD HOUSES BACK THERE, BUT YOU WON'T BE IN USE BY A SEPARATE LOTS OF THIS TIME.
WELL, THE REASON I ASKED IS I, AND NOT HAVING TO DO WITH THAT IN PARTICULAR, BUT JUST, I'M WONDERING IF PEOPLE WHO THE APPRAISERS COME UP WITH A PRICE AND THEY'RE NOT CITY PEOPLE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST INDEPENDENT APPRAISERS AND THESE PEOPLE CHOOSE NOT TO ACCEPT THIS.
AND THEN ANOTHER HURRICANE HITS AND THEY'RE UNDER WATER.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM THERE BECAUSE THE, BECAUSE THE FEDERAL, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING WE HEAR FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS THAT FUTURE PROGRAMS ARE GOING TO BE DESIGNED MORE FOR PURCHASING THE LAND THAN RENOVATING HOUSING THAT GETS WET.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WORRIES ME, THAT, THAT SOMEONE MIGHT REFUSE AN OFFER ON THE HOUSE AND THEN GET WET AGAIN.
AND THERE'LL BE NO PROGRAM TO GIVE THEM ANY ASSISTANCE.
UH, IT MIGHT BE, WELL, I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS INDICATING WAS THAT THEY MIGHT BE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'S THE DECISION OF PROPERTY NIGHTS, UM, VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.
WE HAVE ANOTHER STAR, UH, PRICELESS VIEW THAT THE OWNER DOES NOT APPLY IT.
THEY CAN BRING IN THEIR OWN CERTIFIED PRICE OR, UH, TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT VALUE.
THAT VALUE IS TWO DIFFERENT FROM OURS.
THEN WE'LL PAY FOR A FOUR, UH, TO COME IN, TRY TO GET A PRICE THAT WE KNOW IS FAIR MARKET VALUE.
AND SO I THINK THERE ARE MANY OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
UM, AND I THINK IN SOME OF THESE CASES, OF COURSE WERE CHECKED AND IT'S BEEN MORE ISSUE, OR THEY HAD OTHER PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY.
BUT WE HAD A MEETING AT, UH, NORTH CAROLINA LEAGUE OF MUNICIPALITIES IN GREENSBORO, WHERE WE DISCUSSED WITH THE HEAD OF THE FEDERAL HEAD OF ALL THESE PROGRAMS. AND THE STATE HAD THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH PROGRAMS IN THE FUTURE
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SINCE WE'RE WORKING FROM HURRICANE THREE YEARS AGO NOW, NOT LAST YEAR.AND THEY INDICATED THAT THEY FUTURE, THEY FELT THAT FUTURE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS WERE GOING TO RELY VERY HEAVILY ON PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AND DEMOLISHING HOUSING.
AND THEY WANTED CITIES TO TURN THOSE AREAS INTO PARTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
BUT WHEN YOU APPLY AN IDEA LIKE THAT TO A TOWN LIKE NEWBURGH, WHERE THERE IS SO MUCH WATERFRONT PROPERTY, IT'S SORT OF A FRIGHTENING IDEA THAT SO MANY PEOPLE WHO OWN THE LAND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE THAT WHEN HAVE THAT, IT WOULD BE DEVASTATING TO THE PACK SPACE, TO, UH, AND WE WOULD LOSE THE TAX VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY.
AND WE WOULD EITHER HAVE TO CUT SERVICES OR FIGURE OUT SOME OTHER WAY TO GET THE MONEY.
SO IT'S NOT AN EASY, IT'S NOT AN EASY SITUATION FOR WATERFRONT TOWNS.
IF THE NEXT MITIGATION PROGRAM TURNS OUT TO BE WE'LL BUY YOUR HOUSE, BUT WE WON'T REPAIR IT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT AND BUILD ANOTHER TOWN ELSEWHERE, AND THE CITIZENS, PRINCETON, WE WANT TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY HERE.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, EVERY BUILDING IN THAT TOWN WAS DAMAGED.
EVERY SINGLE BUILDING, IT'S A LOCAL OPTION FOR.
WELL, I DIDN'T WANT TO GET HIM GET TOO COMPLICATED WITH IT.
IT'S JUST THE IDEA THAT THIS MAY BE THE ONLY TIME THAT MONEY IS MADE AVAILABLE TO US FOR BUYOUTS.
NEXT TIME IT MAY BE SORRY ABOUT THAT SITUATION.
OR NEXT TIME THEY MAY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE, EITHER BUY OUT OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT.
JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ON THE FIND IS MUCH.
UM, OH, YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THIS.
I WAS JUST WANTING TO KNOW THE NUMBERS WHERE YOU SAY GROUP A GROUP B, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT NUMBERS WHEN YOU GET TO THAT OH YEAH.
NOW THEY'VE GOT TO STAY DOWN THERE AND BE LIKE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TELL WHERE WE ARE.
UH, THE REQUEST FOR MILESTONE CHART, LASTLY, AND THIS GIFTS TO YOU.
UM, THE BIDDING OUT OF THE HOUSE WAS UNDER THE ANCIENT GP PROGRAM, THE 59 HOURS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY ARE FORCED TO AT A, UH, HAVE BEEN GOOD OUT.
WE'LL HAVE ALL THOSE NEXT WEEK AND OVER THE NEXT 60 DAYS GROUP A AND BASICALLY HOW THIS WORKS OUT IS THAT, UH, 10 OR TWO GROUPS OF FIVE, ABOUT FIVE O'CLOCK WE'LL GO OUT SO THAT ALL OF THEM WILL BE DEAD BY APRIL OF 2001 MONTHS FROM NOW ALL OF THEM ABOUT THAT.
UH, SOON, OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU'RE GOING OUT FOR A BID THEE, THAT MEANS IT ALL THE FORCE OF THE PRELIMINARY WORK HAS BEEN DONE.
SOMEBODY HAS BEEN OUT OF THE HOUSE, DETERMINES THE DAMAGE AND SAID, THIS IS THE EXTENT OF IT.
GIVE ME A PRICE ON IT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UH, WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG TO DO THIS? I MEAN, IS IT TWO GUYS CRAWLING UNDER THE HOUSES OR IS IT ONE GUY OR IS IT, I MEAN, IT JUST APPEARS TO ME AND LET ME SAY THAT BY THE FACT THAT I'VE NEVER BEEN UNDER ONE TO DO THIS KIND OF JOB, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, ALL THE WAY FROM APRIL TO ALMOST APRIL TO ABLE TO GET THE BID PACKAGES OUT, BUT AT 59 HOUSES, UM, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO MOVE IT UP, I ASKED HER, I GUESS, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT THAT'S, IF YOU GOT ONE OF THE BED PACKAGES, UM, YOU'VE SIGNED THEM OUT.
I JUST LIKE TO SEE ONE, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE THE EXTENT OF WHAT'S
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OH, AND A PACKAGE.IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT STAY IN REPLACE TWO BY FOUR.
SO INSTEAD OF, SO AND SO, OR, YOU KNOW, I JUST UH, INVOLVED AS THEY STARTED OUT AT BELLE HAVEN, BUT IT STILL HAS A SCALE CRAWLING.
SO WHAT IS NOW A SCALE FOR ONE PRODUCT WILL NEED TO BE, UM, CROSS SECTIONS OF WHAT THE SUPPORT SYSTEMS LOOK LIKE, AND THIS IS REQUIRED.
THIS IS THE FORM IT HAS TO TAKE IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE MONEY THE FEDS ARE SPENDING TO DO IT.
WELL, UH, WE'RE MOVING HIS HOUSES UP FROM SIX TO SEVEN FEET UP 12.
WELL, I WAS JUST, BUT, BUT THIS IS THE FORM.
WE DIDN'T COME UP WITH HIS PHONE.
THEY SAID, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION ON THE BID FORMS. SO WHO DID THIS? IT WAS A STANDARD CONTRACTOR OR ENGINEER REVIEWS, INSIGHT.
THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO RAISE THE HOUSE TO THIS ELEVATION.
AND THERE ADEQUATE SUPPORT SAYS YOU GOT TO HAVE AN ENGINEER SEAL THE PLANTS, RIGHT? YES.
IT'S GOING TO DO WHAT IT SAYS.
IT'S GOING TO BE WHERE HE LOSES IT.
SEE ON ONE OF THEM, I'M GETTING THESE QUESTIONS AND I NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE IN THE NAME OF, YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE A SET UP.
AND THAT WAY I'LL HAVE A BETTER FEEL FOR THE DETAIL THAT'S BEING REQUIRED TO PUT TOGETHER A BID PACKAGE.
AND WHEN YOU DECIDE THAT, EXPLAIN IT TO ME.
IF I CAN EXPLAIN IT AND I DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE LIKE WHERE I GREW UP, BUT WHERE I GREW UP AND HE WAS GOING TO JACK UP A HOUSE, JACK, AND SOMETHING BROKE, YOU REPLACE THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
I MEAN, NO, DON'T MISUNDERSTAND IT, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, UH, AND I, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE HOUSES FEEL THE PRESSURE.
I MEAN, WHEN THEY LOOK AT THESE MONTHS, YOU CAN COLOR A MAN WITH A CRAYON AND, AND, AND YOU ENCOMPASS HURRICANE SEASON, RIGHT.
AND IF YOU'RE THE ONE IN THE HOUSE IT'S NOT JACKED UP YET, YOU'RE GOING TO GET REAL NERVOUS.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN I WAS RUNNING SO DEPENDENT ON US TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALL GOING AS FAST AS IT POSSIBLY CAN.
AND YOU KNOW, NOT TO SAY THAT YOU HAVEN'T, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT YOU HAVE, ESPECIALLY YOU COME OUT HERE EVERY, EVERY TIME AND EXPLAINED TO US WHERE YOU ARE.
I MEAN, NOBODY COULD BE IN ON THE MORE SCRUTINY THAN, THAN HAVING TO REPORT ALL THE TIME.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT, THAT I HAVE LOOKED AT IT MYSELF AND LOOK THE METHODOLOGY THAT'S BEING USED.
AND I AGREE WITH THAT, ALL THAT HAD TO BE DONE.
SO PLEASE GIVE ME THE SET OF THE PLANS.
AND I WANT TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AND YEAH, MIKE, ARE THEY BEING OVERLY CAUTIOUS BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS EXERCISE.
IS THERE A REASON FOR THE SLOWNESS BECAUSE OF METICULOUS DETAIL, THE DETAIL IS MUCH LESS THAN IN SOME OF THE EARLIER COMMUNITIES I'M PAYING LIKE $10,000 TO DESIGN EACH FORCE.
ONE OF US INDIVIDUALLY ENGINEER, OUR CONSULTANTS TO EIGHT STAFF REPRESENTATIVES FROM AL HAVEN, SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES TO SEE WHAT LEVEL WHAT'S NECESSARY TO SATISFY THE, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO ENGINEER THE TRAILS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USING AS OUR STANDARDS FROM OUT OF STATE BUILDING.
AND THE ENGINEER IS ENGINEERING THE DESIGN, UH, TO THAT LEVEL.
AND WHAT HE'S DOING IS COMING UP WITH, OR A TYPICAL SIZE STRUCTURE OF A CERTAIN TIME.
THIS IS THE TYPE OF SUPPORT SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.
IN OTHER WORDS, HE'S TRYING TO COME UP WITH SEVERAL SYSTEMS THAT WOULD FIT IN ANYMORE.
NOW THAT EXACTLY YOU BROWN JUST OUT OF YOUR BODY, AND YOU HAVE BEEN ASSURED THAT ONCE THEY GET THESE FIRST TWO OUT ON THE BIKE, UH, THAT PROCESS, BUT THEY HAVE TO SEE HOW THE PROCESS IS GOING FOR, WHAT ARE THESE GROUPS, A, B, C, D DO THEY HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF HOUSES? I KNOW THIS IS YOUR FIRST JAR.
I KNOW THIS IS PRELIMINARY, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT INSTEAD
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OF IT BEING A LINEAR THING TO TWO DIAMONDS A MONTH OR A ONE DIME ON A MONTH, WHATEVER DIAMOND REPRESENTS THAT IT WOULD BE SLOWER GETTING OFF THE GROUND.BUT THEN THEY KIND OF COME TOGETHER AS FAR AS EVEN THE ISSUE IN THE BID PACKAGE TO CALL US IF, IF THE SAME INDIVIDUALS SAY WAS GETTING ALL THE BEDS AND HE'S ONLY GOT X NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN HIS EMPLOYEE, THEN I WOULD EXPECT THAT HE COULDN'T DO, BUT SO MANY HOUSES, EVEN IF YOU BID THEM ALL, BUT YOU KNOW, PROBABLY WON'T BE THE SAME GUY, GETTING THEM ALL.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE QUOTING THEM, I MEAN, THEORETICALLY, YOU COULD DO THEM ALL AT ONCE, BUT WE KNOW THAT'S JUST THERE, BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD COMPRESS THAT THING.
MIKE, JUST TO RECONCILE IN MY MIND WHAT THESE TWO CHARTS ARE ACTUALLY SHOWING ME ON YOUR FIRST CHART, JULY AND AUGUST IS THAT EFFECT TWO GROUPS OF FIVE HOUSES EACH.
NOW ON THE SECOND PAGE, IT SHOWS WHAT WILL BE DONE AND WHAT PERIOD OF TIME IT TAKES.
UH, IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT YOU'RE DOING DAY ONE THROUGH DAY 15, THE FIRST TWO WEEKS IN EFFECT.
SO WE'LL JUST SKIP THAT ALL TOGETHER AND START WITH DAY 16, WHICH IS ON THIS PAPER.
WHEN YOU FIRST START ADVERTISING FOR BIDS, WHEN THEY RECEIVED WELL ADVERTISED, THEY START ADVERTISING START ADVERTISING ON DAY ONE.
YOU RECEIVE THE BIDS FROM 16 IN THE SECOND.
SO IT MEANS THAT IF YOU TAKE THE THIRD GROUP, JULY AND AUGUST, THAT THE FIRST FIVE HOUSES, THE HOUSES THAT YOU, THAT YOU START THE PROCESS WITHIN JULY, IF YOU SUBTRACT WELL, IT'S GOING TO TAKE 135 DAYS FROM THE PROCESS TIME.
THE PROCESS STARTS UNTIL THAT GROUP OF FIVE HOUSES IS FINISHED.
AND ABOUT 75 DAYS AS AN ACTUAL STRUCTURE, I SEE HOW THAT'S BROKEN DOWN.
AND THAT MAY BE 75 DAYS, OR THAT MAY BE 50 DAYS, OR IT MAY BE WHATEVER THE CONTRACTING AND WORK UNDERSTAND GENERALLY A CPQ REHAB.
OKAY? I UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ABSOLUTES.
THERE'S NO WAY TO COME UP WITH ABSOLUTES, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, TO 52 CHARTS TOGETHER.
SO I WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
NOT NECESSARILY JUST JACKING THE HOUSE UP.
THERE HAS TO BE SOME WORK THAT'S DONE PRELIMINARY TO THAT.
EVEN CARPENTRY WORK AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT ON THE HOUSE IN ORDER TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT CAN HANDLE THE STRESS OF MOVING NO WATERLINES PLACE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FEEL YOUR SUPPORT SYSTEM FOR IT, BRING IT BACK DOWN AND RECONNECT EVERYTHING.
LET'S SAY YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THE AVERAGE PERSON, WHICH IS A GOOD QUESTION.
SEE THESE PEOPLE TAKE A HOUSE, SLAP IT ON THE FLATBED TRUCK, STOP ALL THE TRAFFIC AND MOVE IT DOWN THE HIGHWAY.
AND YOU KNOW, A FEW DAYS LATER, THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE VAN AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT BID PACKAGES AND THIS AND THAT, AND SO ON AND DAYS AND DAYS AND TURNED INTO MONTHS.
AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, NOT TO SAY THAT, THAT THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT, IT'S NOT THE RIGHT WAY, BUT YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN HOW ONE WORKS AND THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
THIS IS THE FIRST SCHOOL IN THE MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKET TO DO IT.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ADVERTISING THE RECEIVING GOODS, UH, GETTING THE APPROVAL AND MAKING SURE THE FIRST ONE IS FALLING LABOR STANDARDS REQUIREMENTS.
BUT I'M SURE THERE IS, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WE NEED TO KNOW.
AND LIKE ONE OTHER QUESTION, WHAT DO YOU THINK HE WOULD BE BENEFICIAL OR POSSIBLE JUST FOR OUR BOARDS? UH, ILLUMINATION.
LET'S CALL IT TO HAVE THAT ENGINEER.
NEXT TIME MIKE COMES UP, ENGINEER, LET HIM COME UP AND LET US, LET HIM KIND OF GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WHAT HE'S HAVING TO DO AND SAY WRITTEN TO SAM.
NOW YOU BEGIN TO THINK LIKE ME, THAT SCARES US, BUT BOTH IT AND OFTEN A MOCK.
THE ONE THING THAT I AM REALLY HAPPY ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT EVEN THOUGH
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IT'S A PONDEROUS TOP HEAVY PROCESS, AND IT'S TAKING A LOT OF TIME THE LAST TIME, NOT THREE YEARS AGO, BUT BEFORE THAT LAST TIME A HURRICANE HIT AND DAMAGED HOUSES, PEOPLE HAD TO PULL THE MONEY OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET.AND I'M JUST HAPPY THAT THE MONEY IS HERE, EVEN THOUGH IT IS TAKING A LONG TIME TO GET THIS WORK DONE, I'M GLAD THE MONEY IS COMING.
AND IT'S SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE LIVING IN OF THOSE HOUSES WITH SAGGING FLOORS AND EVERYTHING, IT GETS YOUR PATIENTS' RUNS A LITTLE SHORT, BUT AT LEAST THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES THIS TIME.
AND THERE IS A LOT, YOU KNOW, TO GO.
WE JUST WANT YOU TO TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE I WAS THINKING A FEW MINUTES AGO, IF I'M FOLLOWING ALL THIS PROCESS, RIGHT? IF SOMEBODY IS PROPERTY HOUSE OF WHATEVER HE IS IN THE LINE OF FIRE AND GOES ONTO WATER.
WHEN WE HAVE THESE HURRICANES, HOLD ON ONE HAND IS IT'S PRETTY NICE IN A SENSE IT'S SOMEBODY CALLED IT, THE GOVERNMENT, WHOEVER IT IS, IS WILLING TO BUY THAT THING AT AN APPRAISED VALUE.
AND YOU HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SELL IT.
BECAUSE IF BY DEFINITION, IT IS A PROPERTY THAT GOES UNDER WATER AND IS IN THE LINE OF FIRE.
YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE WOULD BUY IT? YOU KNOW? SO AT LEAST YOU GOT A CHOICE.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
AND I HOPEFULLY IT ASKS FOR AN EXAMPLE OF OUR GOVERNMENT WORKING, RIGHT? EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
I HOPE I'M GLAD PEOPLES, HUH? THE ONLY REASON I'M DOING IT IS BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER TO BUY
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT AT LEAST THERE'S AN AVENUE OF ESCAPE, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, IN THE, IN THE OLDER DAYS, IF YOU, IF YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, IT WAS AN ACT OF GOD, SO TO SPEAK, YOU JUST STUCK.
I WANT A PIECE OF PROFIT WAS UNDERWATER AND THEY WON'T BUY IT FROM ME.
BE GLAD TO SELL IT TO THEM FOR THE APPRAISED PRICE.
BUT THEY MEAN IT TO THE BROOKLYN BRANDS.
YOU GOT TO SAY, THIS IS ACTUALLY IN JONES COUNTY.
WE APPRECIATE THIS NEW JOB YOU'RE DOING.
AND I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO ADMIT THAT WHEN IT COMES RAISED, RIGHT.
TELL HIM HE'S GOT A PIECE OF CAKE.
NOW THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, I HAVE A REQUEST TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
THIS REQUEST COMES FROM MR. REINER, WHO WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
AND HE WOULD LIKE IT IF AT ALL POSSIBLE FOR US TO HOLD THAT ONE FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO THE DEVELOPERS TODAY.
AND THEY AGREE THEY WANT IT PULLED OFF.
SO THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO MR. RAINER.
ROBERT CALLED ME TOO AND NOT WANTING TO REMOVE.
SO I GUESS IT'S AND I SAID HE CAN MAKE SO MANY CALLS AND WON'T ANSWER HIS OWN PHONE.
WE'LL DO I HAVE A MOTION ON FOUR OR FIVE? SIX AND SEVEN.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? GO ON ROLL PLEASE.
CAN WE HAVE ANY APPOINTMENTS? NO, SIR.
I JUST LIKE TO SAY IT ON SATURDAY AND WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING IN DUFFY FIELD AND I THOUGHT WAS REALLY VERY SUCCESSFUL.
AND ON BEHALF OF MR. SAMPSON, AND I WE'D LIKE TO THANK, UH, THE STAFF FOR BEING THERE.
I MEAN, IT LOOKED GOOD TO HAVE SYDNEY HALL IN DUFFY AND WE ACTUALLY HAD CITY HALL IN DUFFY FIELD.
THEY WERE, UH, ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WERE THERE AND THIS IS SATURDAY TO SATURDAY AND THEY WERE ALL THERE.
AND WE WERE JUST TRULY IMPRESSED WITH THAT.
AND I THINK IT'S A NEW BEGINNING WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO GATHER THAT WAY AND TALK TO HIM.
WHEN I HAD MY FRIEND, WHO'S ALWAYS THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU GET BUSY AND I KNOW I'M, I'M A BIT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GO OFF, GET YOUR MOUNTAIN AND STUFF.
AND SO MAYBE I DON'T GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST TELL YOU HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE YOU, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU.
AND I THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD JOB THAT YOU'RE DOING.
I MEAN, IT'S GOT TO BE COMMITTED TO THIS, TAKE THE COUNTY TO GET THAT.
AND WE'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THAT FREE APPOINTMENTS.
THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE ATTORNEY'S REPORT.
WHEN I SAW THAT ON THE AGENDA,
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PUT IT THERE.SO THERE'S TO MAKE IT A, WELL, THE FIRST TIME YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, RIGHT? A MAN HAS BEEN SITTING THERE.
WHAT LIKE 57 WHEN HE SAYS HE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS ON THE AGENDA.
LAST WEEK, BILL SENT ME THIS COMMA MADE YOUR PERMIT APPLICATION WITH BOB JOBS HAD PREPARED AND SENT TO HIM.
THIS IS FRONT STREET DEVELOPMENT, LLC PROJECT DOWN ON THE OLD, ALL THE INSIGHT.
UH, IT INCLUDES A DOCTOR TO BE SIGNED BY THE CITY MANAGER, WHICH IS CALLED ADJACENT WRAP HERE IN PROPERTY OWNER STATEMENT.
AND SINCE IT INVOLVED BILL SIGNING, I THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BOARD.
AND I HAVE RESOLUTION, WHICH READS BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN IN THE CITY OF NEWBURN, THE CITY MANAGER, WALTER B. HARTMAN JR B.
AND HE IS HEREBY AUTHORIZED AND DIRECTLY EXECUTE THE ADJACENT RAPPER AND PROPERTY OWNER STATEMENT, ADDRESSING THE PROJECT, THE FRONT STREET DEVELOPERS, LLC LOCATED IN THE 300 BLOCK OF EAST FRONT STREET IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH AND A COPY OF WHICH IS ATTACHED HERE TOO.
AND INCORPORATED HERE IN MY REFERENCE.
SO BOAT, MR. WARD, CAN YOU DISCLOSE WHAT THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE USEFUL? HE IS PROPOSING TO USE IT BOY RESTAURANT WITH A BAR ON THE SECOND FLOOR ON THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT PROJECTS OUT INTO THE ROAD, RIGHT NEXT TO POLISH STREETS.
HE WAS PLANNING TO DEVELOP HER PEERS, WHICH WOULD ACCOMMODATE VEGETABLES UP TO 120 FEET NORTH OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT DOWN TO WHERE THE BRIDGE IS BEING TAKEN OUT NOW.
WELL, IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE AREA WHERE THE BREAD GOES, THE ROAD GOES ACROSS INTERSECT BREAD.
UH, IT RUNS TO THE END OF POLICY THAT IT IS THAT IT'S BETWEEN POLISH STREET AND THE GROUP RATE.
OKAY, WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CAR THAT GOES OUT FOR YOU.
THE RESTAURANT I WAS AWARE OF IT.
I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE LEGAL JUMBO IN THERE.
SO I THOUGHT I BETTER GET SOMEBODY TO HELP ME DO.
I JUST GOT, I GOT ONE QUESTION I'D LIKE TO ASK, YOU KNOW, UH, PLANS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST ABOUT JORDAN, THE WALKWAY AROUND THE RIVER WHEN I WAS GONE AND WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO TO THIS? NOTHING.
I ASKED BOB, WELL, GIVE YOU A LITTLE FURTHER REPORT.
WE TALKED OFF AND ON FOR A YEAR, ABOUT THE TIMES OR THE CONTRACT ON THE WITCH, UH, JOHN HARRISON WOULD OBLIGATE HIMSELF PUT IN THAT WALKWAY.
HE HAD SOME IDEAS THAT MIKE AND I DISAGREE WITH HIM ON AND I TALKED FIVE TODAY AND BOB SAYS THEY HAD PUT IN, I THOUGHT I HAD SEEN HIM THE PLANS, THE AREA IN WHICH THIS WALKWAY WOULD GO.
AND HE CONFIRMED THAT AND SAID, THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE.
WE WERE STILL HAVING TO WORK OUT THE CONTRACT ON IT.
THAT'S A PUBLIC WALKWAY THAT CAN I GIVE JOIN IT WHEN YOU DIDN'T BORN IN THE OLD? I UNDERSTAND THAT THEN WE'VE GOT, YEAH, THEY'RE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT THAT'S IN THERE.
I HAD A MOTION DOWN ON THEN WAS SELECTING ANY FORM OF DISCUSSION.
WE NEED TO CALL THE ROAD PLEASE.
MA'AM YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
UH, BILL HAD SENT ME IN COMMENT.
WHAT IS THIS? AND THERE'S SOME MATERIAL IN THERE FROM SURVEY THAT WAS DONE YEARS AGO.
WE PLAY INVESTIGATE THE SUBSURFACE DOWN IN ARKANSAS ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEY.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF VERY INTERESTING DATA.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SAID WAS THAT NEW BERN WAS NAMED NOUS FIRMER.
THAT WAS SOME EARLY BAYLOR SPELLING.
WE'VE LAID THE CORRUPTED, THE NEW ERUPTED.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY TO THE CAMERA, I'M GOING BACK THERE.
I JUST HAVE TO BE GOING THROUGH THE CHANNELS THE OTHER NIGHT.
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TO GET, UH, MOST, MOST OF THE TIME.NO, IT'S A SPECIAL LENS THEY BOUGHT.
THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT AND HE DOES KNOW, UM, JEWISH.
DO YOU WANT TO GO OVER THIS 6 0 4 WIDE STREET NOW? OH YES, YES.
UH, FIRST MEETING OF AS MUD, YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO HOLD OFF A PROJECT CAME MY WARD THAT I NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT.
WE, IT, WE FINALLY MET WITH THE GENTLEMAN AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT REASON THAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS ON STAGE? HE WAS MISTAKENLY.
HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT HE WOULD, UH, SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE ON THE NIGHT.
WE HAD A MEETING AND OF COURSE WE VOTED ON THE MOTION, UH, THE PAST.
BUT SINCE THEN I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO HIM.
AND I'M ASKING THE BOARD, SUPPORT ME ON A DECISION THAT BILL AND NOT DISCUSSED WITH THE GENTLEMEN.
AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IS HE'S PURCHASED THE HOME.
AND HE'S ONLY HAD HOME, I WILL SAY THAN TWO YEARS OR NO MORE.
UH, AND SO AFTER TALKING TO HIM, IF THE BOARD WILL SUPPORT ME ON IT, WE'VE GIVEN HIM, UH, SIX MONTHS TO GO AND GET STARTED, BUT HE'S GOING TO BE OBLIGATED TO TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN HIMSELF WITH HIS OWN MONEY, IF IT COMES TO WELL, THIS IS, THIS IS THE APPROACH IS NUMBER ONE.
IT'S NOT OUR INTENTION TO TEAR EVERY HOUSE DOWN IN DUFFIELD IF THEY CAN BE SAFE.
SO THE DEAL HERE IS THAT WE WILL GIVE HIM 180 DAYS AFTER THE ENDING DATE OF THE ORDINANCE.
HE HAS ABOUT TWO WEEKS NOW TO GET A AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL MEET THE TERMS OF THIS.
AND THEN HE HAS 180 DAYS AFTERWARDS TO, UH, GET THE HOUSE UP TO MINIMUM HOUSING CODE, UH, WITH NO, UH, EXCEPTIONS.
IF HE'S, IF HE'S A DOLLAR SHORT, IF HE'S GOT A DOOR JAM WRONG, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TEAR HIS HOUSE HALF OF THAT.
BUT IF HE'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH MINIMUM HOUSING CODE AT THE END OF THE 180 DAYS, HE IS GOING TO UPFRONT ENTER INTO A VOLUNTARY DEMOLITION AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT ALAN, THE 180 FIRST DAY, IF IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE, THEN WE WILL TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY IS PUT IN THERE.
IF IT'S NOT UP TO CODE, WE'RE GOING TO TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN.
AND HE WILL ALSO AGREE TO PUT UP A CASH BOND OF HALF OF WHAT WE, IT WILL COST FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE FACILITY ITSELF SO THAT, UH, THAT MONEY WILL SIT THERE.
IF WE DON'T HAVE TO DEMOLISH IT, IF WE DEMOLISH IT, WE'LL TEAR IT DOWN AND WE'LL BILL HIM FOR THE OTHER HALF.
BUT, UH, THAT'S THE AGREEMENT THAT WE REACHED.
IT PUTS SOME TIMETABLES ON HIM.
IT PUTS SOME PRESSURE ON HIM, BUT HE SAYS HE HAS THE MONEY AND THE MEANS TO DO IT IN THAT LENGTH OF TIME.
AND IF WE CAN SAVE THE HOUSE, IF WE CAN BRING IT UP, THEN THAT'S GREAT.
BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE END, IF HE CAN'T DO IT, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE DECORATING ABOUT IT, THAT THE HOUSE COMES DOWN WELL, YOU KNOW, AND I I'M CONCERNED, UH, I DON'T WANT TO TEAR EVERYTHING DOWN EITHER, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T GO AGAINST WHAT WE'VE INSTRUCTED THE CITY EMPLOYEES TO DO.
BUT, UH, UH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THIS PUTS THEM IN AN ENVIRONMENT.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK THAT THIS WOULD SERVE AS A GOOD MODEL FOR US TO LOOK AT FUTURE THINGS WHERE PEOPLE COME UP AND THEY SAY, DON'T TEAR MY HOUSE DOWN.
I'M GOING TO FIX IT, GIVE ME 15 DAYS.
AND I'LL HAVE IT IN ORDER THAT THE BOARD WOULD LOOK AT THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, IF THEY CAN SHOW A REASONABLE PLAN, ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT.
AND THEN THEY AGREE UP FRONT THAT IF THEY DON'T MAKE THE DATES THAT THEY SAY, THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT THE HOUSE COMES DOWN, THAT THEY ASSIGN THE AGREEMENT, THAT IT COMES DOWN, THAT WE DON'T COME BACK TO YOU.
AND THEN THE, UH, THEY PUT UP A CASH BOND SO THAT THEY HAVE MONEY AT STAKE, RIGHT FROM THE START.
THEN THAT WOULD BE A GOOD MODEL FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE TO COME UP.
AND FROM NOW ON, WHEN WE GIVE THEM EXTRA TIME, WE MAKE THESE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THEY EITHER COMPLY WITH THEM.
OR IF THEY DON'T, THEN THE HOUSE IS GONE, BUT THEY'VE HAD THEIR CHANCE AND THEY WON'T, AND THEY DON'T COME BACK.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO TEAR IT DOWN.
AND, AND HE, AND HE UNDERSTOOD IT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM KEEP COMING BACK AND GIVE AN EXTENSION.
THE MAYOR, ONE THING YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE DONE, THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE ADOPTED.
YOU CAN'T JUST CHANGE THE ORBIT.
LIKE YOU CAN'T JUST FORGET IT.
AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE PAST PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE, UH, THAT WE'VE GOT ANOTHER TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T GO INTO EFFECT FOR 30 DAYS AFTER IT WAS ADOPTED.
SO, UH, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THE TIME THAT IT IS.
I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS JUST CHANGE BASICALLY THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE DEMOLITION AND GIVE IT THAT
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RIGHT.LINE IT UP WITH THAT 180 DAYS.
AND SO THAT THEY ORDINANCE WILL BE IN EFFECT IN ANY EVENT, WHETHER THE ORDINANCE WAS IN EFFECT OR NOT.
WE'VE GOT A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT TO TEAR IT DOWN.
SO EITHER WAY IT WILL WORK WITH IF AL WANTS TO RESEND IT, THAT'D BE FINE TOO.
THIS WAY WOULD YOU RECOMMEND WE DO IT? JUST CHANGE THE DATE ON WE'RE SENDING, LET ME THINK ABOUT IT, BUT YOU WILL NEED TO DRAW UP THE AGREEMENT WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME.
I BELIEVE IT IS, BUT THAT'S BUT THAT'S JUST SITTING OUT THERE IN OREGON.
NOW, IS IT TIME FOR THE CITY MANAGER? NO, THAT WAS IT.
THE ONLY REASON I PUT THESE REPORTS ON HERE WAS TO MAKE SURE WE GOT CONSIDERED IN MISCELLANEOUS.
THOSE, WE HAVE TO JUMP IN SOMETIMES AND SAY, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, GOT IT.
I THOUGHT IF WE WERE ON THE AGENDA, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT IT REALLY IS.
AS HE SAYS, LOOK,
I WAS LIKE, EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IN THAT CASE, WE MOVE INTO A JAR AND ALL THAT